Why ___ Lost: Survivor 48 Preview

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_05] If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down David and Jessica will turn it around They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how You played yourself and got voted out This is why blank lost And this is why blank lost

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[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_02] Welcome back to the Survivor version of why blank lost as we kick things off with our Survivor 48 Preview I'm David Bloomberg and I'm excited to be joined once again by my co-host who I have missed over the past couple months, Jessica Lewis

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_07] Well, thank you so much David Bloomberg and I've missed you as well It has been quite some time since we've been able to sit next to each other but so far away from each other in this setting So it's lovely to be back and very excited to talk about another season of Survivor

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_10] Yes, because I know that your favorite thing in the world is predictions

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, we really yeah, we have to start there, right? Like really?

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_08] I mean, that's what this podcast is

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_07] I know and can I tell you how stressful this whole process is for Jessica because I can never pick the correct winner My choices of who's going to be voted out first end up winning So like everything that I do is just completely wrong and we all know this the butterfly effect in full effect So just to all of the players that we are about to talk about I apologize right now

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_07] Anything I say just take it with a grain of salt because anything you say cannon will be used against you in the corner of social media I'm still like oh, it's so bad and then last year I decided or last season I should say Oh, i'm gonna let the rocks do the talking for me, right? And we all remember how that went This is what I had Rome remember that? That was who you know the rock uh, though. He was, you know entertaining for a lot of various

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_07] Reasons not such a great winner pick, right? So i'm not going to go to the rocks This season I decided we'll go back to Jessica just with the butterfly effect And because honestly, I was so torn there were so many people that I really wanted to choose and I was so afraid that like Maybe I just just try i'll just try i'll see what happens. I won't yeah, I won't put it to rocks

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02] And then I again will apologize to whoever I choose. Okay, well for anyone who's a new listener welcome Uh, for those of you who have listened or watched before welcome back As a reminder to the latter and to bring the former up to speed once the season starts in a week We will discuss what each voted out player did right and wrong in terms of rules. I originally wrote Way back after the first season of survivor and have been updating ever since

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, speaking of updating uh, there, you know, keep your eyes out there will be uh, I believe The plan is for there to be a a an update to the rules or an article about an update to the rules coming at you soon So watch for that um But also here We look at each episode and go back to everything that has led up to it We take notes through the whole season

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02] We go beyond what's on tv dive into everything that's available That's not a spoiler including interviews secret scenes social media and more

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_07] Yes, and you take a lot more notes than I do i'll just say

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_02] Yes, but you have a better memory than I do so I try

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_07] I try to remember yeah

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02] I was going back and I was looking at some of the uh, the discussions that we had That I had clipped uh some of the discussions with guests over the past few seasons that I've clipped and some of these i'm going to post uh in my youtube shorts and uh, some of them may wait but Like there was a discussion with dr. Jeremy faust who talked about he said david takes so many notes and jessica just remembers everything

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02] And uh, uh, there was an interview with cassidy I think it was the first time we talked to cassidy and she was talking about why uh, people should Especially future players should listen to this podcast and so Just you know, i've had all these stored up and I didn't know what to do with them So i'm going to try and put them out there

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_07] Oh, that'll be great. Yeah, I like that I do I do want to emphasize though that there is a ton of work that goes into this particular podcast and I can appreciate all of the note taking that you do take because There's a lot of content right there's a lot of things that has been that are you know Things that are being released and put out Through so many outlets and media. So Thank you to

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_07] Especially rob as a podcast for all the things they do, but then there's always twitter and there's and yeah blue sky and so there's there's so many places that we can gather information from and try to figure it all out for you

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, and speaking of which uh, by now everyone has probably had time to listen to mike bloom's interviews here on rhap Or read them in parade plus the other information that's out there about the players So our goal here is not to rehash all of that is to spend a few minutes Uh, we have a target here in mind We won't hit that target because we never do but we have a target in mind Um, and and

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02] We're going to pick out the highlights or the low lights that tell us something about how the person will play the game Especially in relation to my rules um Which by the way

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_07] Let's just talk about your background for two seconds I mean come on look at that

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, yeah, well it well Uh, you should know you you uh helped create it, you know, you you commissioned the creation of it, so

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_07] I just might have that's right

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, so yes, we'll see how this uh background screen thing works out if I start to disappear into it um And anyway with the with the podcast yeah, we will we will pick who we think will do the best and the worst And as a reminder, you know four seasons ago someone on this podcast got the correct winner prediction

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, let's rub that in let's rub that in it wasn't me everyone in case you were wondering it certainly wasn't jessica Yeah, did not happen

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02] But yeah as as jessica has already mentioned that listeners and especially any contestants tuning in should remember we're basing Almost everything we'll be discussing off a relatively small amount of information Mm-hmm So if if we say it sounds like someone's game is going to end up terrible I I mean very occasionally we don't get it right like last season We were both just just a little bit off with our prediction of how rachel would do

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02] I'm so sorry rachel Uh, so yes, there is there's the off off chance that we could be wrong

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_07] Yes, and rachel was so kind and funny Little reminder of how um, you know our predictions went with rachel when she was like, oh, look at that Isn't that crazy? Yeah, but yeah, so congrats to rachel for proving us both wrong

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02] Yes, and now she's going to be uh podcasting with jeff for a season. So

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_07] That's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, great for her Mm-hmm

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_02] Now before we get into discussions of the rules and how we think uh, the players and how we think they'll do with the rules I wanted to pass along a post that I got from when 298 on blue sky Talking about how listening to this podcast in general the podcast is not this particular one Makes them scream at their tv even louder when players say or do dumb things And I just wanted to say that warms my heart and it means we are accomplishing our goals here

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_07] That's hysterical. I know you don't I I can say this too when you're watching an episode of survivor and somebody drops a phrase that is a very bloomberg phrase I Just sit there and I giggle to myself because I know you're like madly taking that down and like Look at that. Yes. Oh, yes You have affected so many players

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02] Well, one player who affected you Is uh going to be joining us soon now. I wanted to mention this now because I know some people don't quite get all the way to the end when we make some of these announcements Yes, um, we are going to have more guests than ever this season And it will start in week one With someone who saved jessica with an immunity idol. Yes

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_07] Yes, my man date my other david right?

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02] Yes, yes your other david right exactly um

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_07] And and the reason for the david you're right sound as well. So yes, uh, so yes, david right will be here and i'm very excited that he'll be joining us He is lovely and yes, he did save me with an idol. So Lots of reasons to love david right. Yes, sure

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, so just wanted to mention that and like I said, we will have guests, you know, some of the people that you have uh, you know Gotten to love on the podcast or already loved before they came on the podcast some of our regulars and some people who haven't been on before So it'll be a good Yes, um With that, let's get started. We're going to go through each tribe alphabetically by first name Uh, so we will start with the siva tribe who wears orange

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02] Okay, it's gonna be so awesome and we will begin with charity Uh, she is 34 a flight attendant and fitness coach from michigan now in florida She lost 100 pounds 10 years ago And she also started watching uh about that same time frame while in ministry school Um, so You know, I I like This aspect of her that

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02] You know the weight loss uh, some people may know about Well, I guess it's about 12 or more years now Uh Ago I lost about 90 pounds now I put some of that back on let's be honest, but uh, you know, uh, so I I know how difficult it is if if some people have seen I occasionally will post a picture of me and richard hatch or me and Very young rob sester nino You can see the difference

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02] Um, I mean besides the fact that I had more hair no beard, you know, um And the hair that I did have was

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_06] You were 12 years younger

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02] There's so many exactly Well with rob it was much earlier than that

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_07] Um, oh, yes, that's true

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02] So but getting back to charity Uh, she said being a flight attendant I deal with hundreds of people and personalities every day My job is like playing survivor in a metal tube I I I just hope they don't vote someone out each flight

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_07] That would be terrible get out of the plane Bye Yeah Yeah, she is she's uh, she has a fantastic Effervescence, right? Like there's just something about her that Just kind of comes across and I I know another player in particular who's on this tribe Said I I would do anything I I would do anything that she wanted me to do Just look her smile and her eyes and the way she she lights up and and I just really think that

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_07] She is going to have a presence And whether or not that's going to be Good or bad I guess is yet to be seen because sometimes people that have A presence can be seen as very threatening But I I do think that her work As a flight attendant is a really great Analogy to what she would have to do in survivor because you have to be like friendly and you have

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_07] To interact with people that you've never met before and you have to make them feel very comfortable and important and significant and take care of their needs So I think that in and of itself is going to be a huge Step up for her as far as the game is concerned because I think she's going to come in with an ability to Already interact with people in a way that might be uncomfortable for some people in a similar situation

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, and You know, it's it's interesting because she talked about her charisma like you said she showed her charisma And all that sounds good in terms of getting along with the other players yes But what it doesn't do is tell me how she's going to use it to get to the end

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, and she did a lot of talking about tony and uh, like Russell hans I think was another one as well Who are very you know, these are big players and these are people that have a presence as well and And and it worked for tony when he won it didn't work for tony the second time he he played and so and we've seen you know Russell hans as well and So it's it'll be an interesting mix and combination to see how that's going to How she's going to make that Her game ultimately is is can she take that

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_07] Social ability and carry it into her game well enough to Make it work in the same way that tony ended up making it work. I'm not sure

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, I mean she said I will go for anything I can I will volunteer for whatever I can Home run every time swinging for the fences. Let's go all out because if I get voted out knowing I played this way I will be at peace And that's the part that worries me because anytime Someone talks about how if they get voted out, they'll be at peace They just shouldn't be playing in a way that will get them voted out You know, you shouldn't be at peace with getting voted out

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_07] Sure, but if you're if your stylistic gameplay is after a russell hans and a tony that's where That's a very difficult way to play this game and still manage to get to the end So that's I don't know. It's it's going to be interesting for sure

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02] Right, and the thing about you know, she said swinging for the fences and she also said home run every time Well, anyone knows the baseball players who swing for the fences every swing Do not get a home run every time Quite often the home run leaders are also the strikeout leaders Yeah, you know, you have to balance the two and so You know some you can't expect to hit a home run every time is what i'm saying

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_07] Right, but I do think that she's also in a place where there might be other people on the tribe that are going to help Keep her where she is because they they want to work with her too at least She's had some type of a connection or an effect at ponderosa with them. So that could certainly work to her benefit

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02] Okay, all right. Well, we could move on to chrissy

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_07] Uh, she is 55. Just one more thing. Okay, you should definitely do what she suggested and you should google shack holding a water bottle I'm, just saying it was quite fun Okay, um, I did not do that. So I did I was like i'm gonna take her up on this and it didn't make me feel better

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02] So whenever someone tells me to google something I always worry about it because you just never know what's gonna

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_07] That is true, but I know I know shack is I know water bottles. I'm like, okay, we're just it was It was a safe google and it was funny

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02] All right, so like I said chrissy 55 the oldest player uh, this season She is a fire lieutenant from the south side of chicago. I like that. She didn't just say chicago. She specified the south side of chicago Um, she said I already know i'm the older person. I never felt like the older person, but I guess I am the older person Chrissy Welcome to my world um

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_02] Um, also, uh some other things that you know, not that this is the david having common show but uh Her favorite hobbies working out. She said I love cardio, but I also like to eat junk food. So it equals out Yeah, i'm right there with you again, you know

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_07] But I don't really love cardio. So I guess I just like the junk food

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, I I do the cardio to eat the junk food I guess uh, which is not really a good thing to do. I'm just saying don't don't do that, you know, but I do um She's been watching survivor since the start, but she didn't go back and re-watch and she has this Very interesting view of super fans Uh, she said I hate to say this. I don't like super fans. I don't think super fans make the game better I don't think people practicing in their basement makes this game better

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02] I think coming out and challenging yourself and not knowing what to expect Uh, then knowing the puzzle is going to be on here and I could do it with my eyes closed It's sort of cheating to me

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_07] Mm-hmm. I agree No

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02] No, no No, I do I'm sorry survivor is not just a tv show. It is a game for a million dollars And as much as I like chrissy overall I'm sorry. This is a terrible take it's like saying Well, i'm an athlete and I want to go to the olympics, but i'm not going to practice I want to challenge myself during tryouts

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_07] I just i'm going to disagree i'm going to that I do not believe that's what she was necessarily indicating Here's my take on it and I think chrissy is fabulous. I am so excited and the fact that this woman talked about carrying a 65 pound You know equipment on her back going through like fires just incredible and everybody loves chrissy I just want to say that too. So many people were talking about her in their pre-game interviews, but What I think

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_07] Is such an interesting take and this is something that we've talked about a lot the fact that like survivors kind of taken a little bit of a of a Shift if you will into more of a game show versus just like it's a It's a competition for a million dollars right where they are repeating Puzzles that have been done on previous seasons which are allowing people to study and learn the puzzles I think before I analogize it to like plinko like you know where to put the little

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_07] Little disc because you've seen plinko a million times and you know where it's going to potentially or maybe fall And that part of it. I agree with her sentiment Like I miss the fact that there are portions of survivor that are just unknown There used to be a survivor time when Every challenge was completely different because they were in a different place Doing different things and so they weren't repeating challenges And so now we've gotten to this point where

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_07] People are like oh, yeah, no I practiced that one because I bought the puzzle and I know how to do it And I understand there is a preparation that should be involved in survivor. I don't get me wrong. You should actually do some things She didn't do much to prepare right which I I will Acknowledge that but I can understand that that sentiment where it's like I don't get to do that

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02] But then the sentiment should be aimed at the production not at the players. Oh, yes And I is blaming the super fans for production Repeating things Okay, and I can give you that. Yes, like i'm saying it's like saying that players shouldn't do batting practice in baseball And it's like no, I know there's going to be a pitcher there. I know he's going to be throwing me fastballs and curveballs. I need to Right right

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_02] If if you're a pitcher and you want to fool a batter who has been to bat in practice Then you have to do something other than what he expects And so it is on production if she wanted to criticize production for repeating things then criticize production don't criticize

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_07] Okay, and I and that's fair I can I can I can see that just that distinguishing component there Yes, I do think that production needs to stop repeating puzzles because I do think That it is leaning down a path that we just shouldn't be going down It should be everything should be fresh and new and you haven't seen it before Switch it up a little bit. It's fine. That's okay. People don't need to

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02] They spend all their money on new tribe on new tribal council sets instead of new puzzles. It's really I don't know It's ridiculous, but

[00:20:20] Um

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02] So uh, chrissy said this made me laugh just from what I noticed. I think alliances are the way to go And they might not last and you make different alliances, but I think always trying to make that connection with somebody Even if it only lasts one vote and then you make a connection with somebody else I think that seems to be the best way to go and it's just like Yes, chrissy you're right Uh, but it seemed like she was having this light bulb moment Yeah, and it's literally

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02] Rule one, you know

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_07] But I I really get the sense that chrissy is Someone who is kind of like no nonsense like she's like yeah, i'm just gonna get in there. I'm gonna do it Whatever like that's yeah, i'm gonna deal with it. It's gonna be fine. I'm not gonna complain. I'm not gonna whine I I will I will take what is thrown at me and I will handle it and I do think that Her she talked about her compared it to like going when she goes to a fire and she has to put her life in the Hands of people that she might not even know because there might be firefighters

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_07] She's never met before that are that are there that she's working with and that

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02] Hopefully she doesn't practice putting out fires because that wouldn't be fair

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_07] No But I do think that there's a lot to be said about being able to to form a quick Like bond and trust with someone in that way And so she's probably got a really good ability to formulate bonds like that and it sounds like she does based on what she said um, so I I think that she's really going to be like kind of like no nonsense like She's not going to put up with any any crap. I really don't think and and I just That worries me

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_07] And I can understand that that can definitely go down a into an area that could that could get her in trouble So I'm but i'm fascinated by her just because there is that very just like kind of this is who I am and this is what i'm going to do But people seem to really like her at least Yeah, pregame Yes

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02] Before she has started talking and i'm not saying that they won't afterwards i'm just saying You know if you are right in your read of her that worries me Um, some other things she said I can't wait to look for idols Uh, but it's a beware. Uh, and so you really have to be careful. It's or it's really a mind bleep Um, but then she admits she'd pick it up because you'd be an idiot to throw it away Uh, you know as far as talking to people

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02] She says that she could talk to anybody she has this demeanor where she can connect with people And she's hoping she can connect with them and then stab them in the back, which is the best part now I like chrissy for a lot of reasons that some of which have little to do with the game She's the older player. She's from chicago. Uh, I mentioned some other things we have in common I worry that her anti-super fandom is going to Impact the way she plays the game

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02] And that she will not be fully prepared for everything that hits her

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_07] Well, that is the concern I do have yes like

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02] Is it cheating if someone practiced fire making and therefore can start a fire when they first get there? Is she gonna roll her eyes if someone jumps out to do the puzzle because they've done it before? I I I don't know and that's where She worries me or I worry for her. Let me put it that way

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_07] Well, david really wants to work with her and yes, david seems to be someone who is Not necessarily Uh that knowledgeable about survivors so maybe maybe they can uh they can hang out together and and share their I it that would be an interesting mix those two for sure

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[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02] for 1 euro pro monat He's not afraid to show how physically strong he is which looking at his arms and his picture as he has his arms crossed It's a good thing he's not afraid because I don't know how you cover that up other than like with a big puffy coat or something like that Now this should help him in an early tribal phase but probably not so much around merge time

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_07] Well and he acknowledges that he at least is aware that he's probably like a likely merge boot So he's trying to figure out the best mechanism by which to avoid being the merge boot So he at least did figure that out in his very quick um watching of the multiple seasons of survivor in a very short amount of time

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, uh, he says he's an arrogant a-hole at times um, which obviously is not part of staying around and some people He said some people might say his arrogance or confidence could get him in trouble But uh, he thinks it's better to be too confident than humble Maybe Uh, but he also knows there's no way he's going to fly under the radar He can't fit under the radar

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_07] So that was great

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02] So what he's going to do to offset that is he said just be kind People will know he's a physical threat Physical threat So he's going to Downplay his social abilities or downplay his puzzle solving abilities But especially he's going to be kind And hopefully establishing friendships that will take him beyond the merge

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_07] I really liked the kind component because I do think that He's clearly had an impact in pregame because everyone is talking about him Including kind of stands out He kind of does right uh, captain america uh, giga chad I think was one of the the names that was utilized by someone who was on his tribe as well So he certainly has been noticed and so I think if he can soften that

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_07] Image of himself by being kind, I think that's going to go a long way for him He's certainly going to be someone that they're going to want to keep around up until the merge for obvious reasons Um, and I I would anticipate that that's likely going to be what happens But I I also do worry about that arrogance about the overconfidence I mean, I I think that sometimes people can put parts of themselves in boxes and and And tamp things down a little bit

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_07] Will he be able to I don't know if he will because his life sounds pretty incredible and the things that he's Done and decided i'm just gonna gonna be a pilot i'm gonna travel and just go around the world do whatever I mean all of these things you have to have A Pretty strong personality and confidence to be able to do and put yourself in those situations I don't know if he's really going to be able to to reel it in as much as he's going to need to but Maybe he will maybe he will yeah

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02] And like you mentioned he seemed to like chrissy in the pregame. So, uh, you know Maybe they'll team up i'll have more thoughts on that when we get to the end of the tribe Uh, so next up is camilla And she is a 31 year old software engineer from toronto She started watching survivor when she was young Partway through amazon just before the jenna and heidi peanut butter and chocolate moment

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_02] She dropped off for a while but then came back to watch tony win the first time Now before I read anything about her or listen to or watch I already liked her a lot from some of her answers that were posted on social media Where like she said not all software engineers are smart She said she's not gonna tell people she's a software engineer because there's this image, but they're not all smart

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02] And then she joked about it on social media and I knew that my son the software engineer would agree with this And so I confirmed with him and yes, he does have the same opinion Uh, which I let camilla know She she says she used to think she was logical But then after working with a bunch of software engineers, she realized not so much. She's actually emotional

[00:29:17] Um

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02] She also said people usually underestimate me and I think that's kind of what erica talked about in the beginning where she was like Even at my job. No one listens to me. I'm a 30 something year old and i'm very senior But I walk into a room and I don't get the respect I deserve because she's short various very childish face And that's the kind of stuff I deal with too But okay, it's not that great in the real world But in a game like survivor that is a great thing to have I can run around and do bleep And people don't think i'm threatening

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_02] I'm very unassuming I can get away with bleep

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, and I do think the way that the game is going now having that unassuming quality really can carry you very far Which is why those individuals that have stand like that stand out in in pregame I was curious how they're going to end up necessarily doing in the game because they've already drawn so much attention to themselves And I I don't think that she's in that same situation There might have been like one person that might have described her, but I think it was mostly just because of her stature

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_07] uh, so I I think that she is the the one concern I have for camilla is She does She's kind of like this and she said she talks very fast and she quick sentences and and she's worried that she might necessarily say too much too quick and and not Not Maintain that part of herself

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02] So but you know who said that last season in the preseason?

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_07] Rachel don't remember

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, that was one reason She said she needed someone to reel her in or or something to that effect Um, and that was one reason we did not pick rachel to

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_07] We know yes, we know how that went so hey congrats camilla Things are looking up for you. This is great Yeah, I but I do think that she's she's definitely someone who once they get out on the island I think she is going to make an impression because she seems to have that quality about her And uh, you know, I don't know if she's necessarily going to be able to Be unassuming once she's surrounded by people if that's the part that Comes out I but She yeah, she's um

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_07] I'm i'm intrigued i'm very intrigued because i'm always curious how that balance is going to come out when they start playing the game

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, I believe I didn't write this down, but I believe if my memory is correct You also said something on social media. I hope i'm not confusing her with someone else That she said she believes the other players would overlook her like literally she they're up here And she's down here and they'll just look over her and forget she's there

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_07] um She's like five one right? Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02] So another thing she said was I don't listen to podcasts about survivor Grr Uh, she said I just read all the transcripts because i'm like I can't this is too slow. Just let me read it faster Now yeah, I don't know if there are transcripts of this podcast out there. Maybe there are maybe that's something Who knows? Maybe you can have chat gpt say make me a transcript of the y-bron laws Um, I don't know that you know, we get that counted as a view or a listen though. So don't do that

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02] But uh, I was going to say what rob actually already said which is just listen at 3x um, yeah, that's true, too. However, I also understand what she's saying because There are certain things that are available in writing or podcast and I will often Read them instead because I can do that quicker even than going through a podcast. So Yeah, I I do I I get it. Um, yeah, but She still should listen. Uh, she should yeah Agreed now

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02] One thing that camilla said is I don't want any of this tribe strong thing. I want it to be very fluid I don't want there to be very strict alliances That could be interesting and it'll really depend on the overall Thinking of the players, you know, i'm not sure she can she alone can make that happen

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, well, I think that she's going to find herself in an interesting spot just because of The other people that she's wanting to work with which seems to be david and charity. So she's already looking at a potential Numbers thing right if if they are interested in working with her as well And um, I so I think that That idea of fluidity Now with the way that the game is being played is is much more possible

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_07] But it's also very difficult when you are in a six person tribe which we've talked about before like that That becomes very hard because the numbers are just so small Yeah, yeah She also does not like boston rob. I just want to throw that out there. Yeah, there are there are like seems to be a lot of boston rob

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02] There's like two people who really don't like boston rob Mm-hmm and then One woman who's having sex dreams about boston, you know, so We've got the two opposite sides here. Uh, there is a range. I'm i'm nervous if if camilla

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_07] uh, uh comes in contact with um, I have to remember what her name. I don't remember who it was

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02] That was not a strategy high point that I put that I took down as a note

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_07] No, but now I have to remember. Oh, where's my other I see I have I have all of my yeah

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02] Well, while you look for that, uh, i'm going to mention that that One thing that I like that she said was I don't need big moves. I need to make smart moves because big moves get you She said people have big move itis and then do it too early and get sent home So maybe she has been listening to this podcast

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_07] I think I love that too. Not big move itis. Uh, it's bianca by the way I just had their her picture their picture was covered By the bianca. Mm-hmm. So if those two Don't mention boston rob to camilla because that's a no-no

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02] All right, well we can move on unless you have anything else uh to kyle He is 31. He's an attorney from virginia now in brooklyn, but he's going to say he's a teacher Which he did for a couple years before law school He started watching with survivor winners at war Which is an interesting way to start and then went back and watched prior seasons afterwards

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02] He says his biggest superpower is charm and that he hates using it, but he does love people uh, he could be persuasive And he thinks people see that he's genuinely interested in them So he wants to connect with people and then build a foundation to play the game So this is the social game That we're talking about not just being friendly, but using it as a foundation

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah He seems very Cookie cutter how to play survivor like in in a perfect world like you would want kyle to be The player the way that he describes the game He wants to play the way that he perceives himself playing the game And so I don't know if if it's necessarily going to if he's going to be able to pull that off because everything He's saying i'm listening to and i'm reading i'm going. Yeah, that that makes sense

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, that's something that you should probably do. I agree with that. Yeah, and then i'm like, but wait He can't possibly do all of those things It's just because it's it's it's almost like he found like the perfect balance and maybe he really will go out there and and And have that perfect balance. Um, but I just thought it was there was something like I was concerned I think in because it really sounded like if you were to describe how to play survivor Read read what kyle was saying about how he wants to play the game of survivor and then i'm and so

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_07] I don't know if it's necessarily going to be Kyle playing survivor is it going to be kyle's idea of how you're supposed to play survivor if that makes sense

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, and if he comes in and his ideas are too preset Then he could be in trouble if he comes in and says these are the ideas I have and he's able to maneuver it Then he'll be good like he says You know, I I can't just come out here and make a move you need people as the foundation um And he also showed good insight into other games Like he said when 45 and 46 were being played even 44

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02] They all acted like it was this voting block sort of game, but it wasn't you have the reba for you have the tika three You have charlie and maria Um, or you have the goat for He says uh, you know, those are not voting blocks. Those are people who actually trust each other And this is something we've said, you know in games that look fluid Oftentimes they are not there is a core alliance there That is controlling things Now

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02] He's seen that he recognized that Will he be able to Do it? Can he pull it off in the game?

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02] Um, now his hot take was about your season Uh, and he said that while he agrees adam was a good player. He was perhaps fourth best Now there's a lot of details that would take a long time

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_07] How about justice for jessica? Can we just say that?

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02] Well, I mean Yes, but Did he say anything about you?

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_07] No, oh, okay He said justice for someone else It wasn't justice for jessica, and i'm just Kyle come on

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, uh Now, I don't think kyle Exactly got a full picture of the season from the edit without going into too many details Um, but Also that I want to say Part of being a good player Is getting to the end So you can point to any season and say well this person was better or that person was better and it's a debate that Goes on all the time on social media Well, there's the best player didn't win

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02] Well, if they were the best player how'd they get knocked out? You know Um, right And and sometimes yes, sometimes there can be a fluke sometimes, you know, it does happen

[00:39:22] But

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02] If other people know that a certain person will be perceived as better at the end

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_06] Mm-hmm

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02] And they're taken out because of it Well, then they weren't better because they did not manage their own threat level And that's not an insult to the other players Um, and you know, I mean Our first guest His name was often repeated as if you don't get him out If you don't get david out, he's going to win the game

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_07] Right

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02] And so you could say well david was a better player than adam Adam or you could say adam was a better player because he knew to keep david in front of him as a shield

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_07] Right and knew to get him out when he got him out

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02] Right, yes, exactly

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_07] So yeah, kyle also does not like boston rob So there is that little connection there between he and uh camilla so maybe they can kvetch about boston rob together which i also just to say kyle who doesn't like boston rob there was another boston rob reference when he was having a conversation with Michelle and reminding her when

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_07] She had been talking to boston rob on season 40 and how um people were saying she wasn't like oh, yeah The best winner and she shouldn't have won and boston rob was like, but you won Right, that's it like that's all that me like you actually won So I don't know. I mean, I I think there I can understand some of the boston rob uh commentary for sure But I just want to throw that out there that you know boston rob was was someone who was speaking just

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_07] About that kyle that sometimes uh The right person does actually win the game So

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_02] uh, one more thing to say about kyle before we move on uh, is he already followed me on social media? But he does need to get on blue sky so Okay, yeah, you got to get on blue sky. Yep. All right, we will move on to mitch. Uh, we need to uh We're not I knew we wouldn't hit our target, but we're already not hitting our target. We're only in the first tribe um So hey in there everybody. He is uh, 34 and elementary school p.e coach from waco texas

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02] He is the first survivor player with a speech impediment Uh, and is also a marathon and iron man competitor. Those things have nothing to do with one another. It's just rattling off backs um I like his attitude when he said this is a game for a million dollars Uh, he said it's great to build relationships, but at the end of the day you're playing for yourself These people don't care about you We're out here to play a game. I'm sure once we leave fiji, we're all gonna hang out and stuff

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02] But right here these people are in between you and a million dollars So, yes, remember that yes

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_07] Win a million dollars. That's got to be the goal. I also think is the fact that he was You know, he was talking about todd winning china. I was like I thought I thought todd was a great winner Uh, so you know, I mean I I so I appreciate his take on todd as well Because todd really had a great approach to the game and you know and and in his reasons for taking The other two people to the final three that he he brought with them Um, really made sense and i've always been impressed with todd so I i'm I

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02] I support you mitch on that. Uh, yeah now is a couple of other players. He mentioned maybe not so much because Uh, I think he made a couple he made a lot of people cringe when he said I resonate with spencer bledzo and joe anglum I suspect he does not know what those two both turned into after the game Um And also amusingly one of his pet peeves is people who always have to be right and i'm sure both of them

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_02] Definitely think they are right and let me tell you joe anglum. He is Really right right? Yeah, um Um So, uh, uh, anyway, uh, mitch also he follows me on instagram of all places. Uh, so, uh, Uh, you know just building your social following. Yes, uh, so, you know, we'll we'll uh, we'll we'll see how we go there Um So do you have anything else to add for mitch or should we go?

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_07] Well, I what I do think is going to be great about mitch is he does really Have a particular type of drive about him because I think he's had to deal with a lot of adversity throughout his life And so I I do think that that's going to put him in a great place in this game Because the little things are not going to get to him. He's really going to be able to work through challenges I think very well and the fact that he Is so physical I mean he's done. I don't even know how many um marathons at this point

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_07] But so I think overall he's probably going to be in a really great position For his tribe and i'm pretty sure david was eyeballing him too as someone that he wants to work with So I see I we we certainly can talk about the tribe now because I I look at this tribe and I see so many potential connections and relationships forming i'm very very much In love with this tribe I think that this is I think this is going to be a great tribe

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_07] So yes, we can definitely we can we can chat about the tribe if you like as a whole

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02] So I I mean we both you know foresee chrissy and david working together I feel like others will want to keep david early Which could help chrissy or could hurt chrissy Um I I worry about charity and her swing for the fences mentality I also worry about kyle a bit uh, you know for some of the reasons you mentioned But the more I look at this tribe the more I think chrissy is in danger I I I just think so I do even though

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02] Even if she's with david I think the others may say well, we want david to ourselves You know, we don't Want him hanging out with her and I I worry that Some of her attitude that at least came across in interviews May Come across in the game now Again, she could completely surprise us and I hope that she does Um, but I I think she's going to go out first

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02] And then I think if camilla or kyle can make it to merge They have a good shot of Going far Especially camilla with the way she described playing as someone who won't be seen as a threat

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_07] Wow Yeah, see I I am not I am not with you on that Um, I think that david is going to scoop chrissy up I I think that he it this won't be a fight for david I think david is david is going to have his pick Because david is going to be in it in its situation at the start of this game Because you've got camilla who wants to work with him you've got Uh, I think Also Also was it kyle that might have mentioned him as well? I mean And

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_07] I just feel like david is going to be kind of surrounded by people that are like We need david because david's going to keep us away from tribal council One of the things that kyle said that I thought was very interesting Kyle wants to go to tribal council because he Um, i'm pretty sure he was the one that was talking about like Wanting to uh, not go into the merge with the numbers if i'm remembering correctly. So I I I am i've struggled a lot with Where this is all going to necessarily fall And

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_07] I keep coming back to kyle being in a situation where I don't know if anyone will necessarily be fighting for kyle or if he will be in a position that He will want to fight for someone because I see so many other people like david is looking at christy david is looking at mitch And camilla is looking at david and

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_07] Everybody's looking at right and and camilla is looking at christy or excuse me at charity and so like I feel like that's where The group is going to really like Formulate it's going to be about those people that Made those initial like yes, that's the person I want to work with and knowing that david is so um I

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_07] He's not the survivor fandom. He's not the the super fan. He's just going to go out there and want to play this game That He will be given some grace in the beginning. It's going to be a problem come merge But they're going to want to get to merge and so I just keep coming back to to kyle and I and I I just because there was something about it that I was like, ah like he sounds like he's going to be so great But then i'm like, but is he going to be or is he just Just describing the perfect way you should play survivor, right?

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02] Okay, so i'm picking the anti super fan and you're picking the super fan as the one to go off It'll be a battle for the

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_07] Jessica, that's what you should have said. Yeah, that's right

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_02] Damn it All right, well we can move on to the loggy tribe. Uh, they are wearing purple We begin with bianca. Uh, she is 33 a pr consultant originally from new jersey and now in virginia But she won't say she's in pr. She will say she works corporate events She's watched the show since season one when she was eight years old Uh, she says my successful career in public relations has given me the tools

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02] I need to win people over spin a story. I never take anything personally and keep going

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_06] Um

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02] Her boyfriend Has uh really been running her through the ringer for prep Uh, he had her outside

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_07] I love how you said that her boyfriend

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02] Well, no, it just I You know, he's been he had her outside making fire every night, you know, maybe genevieve needed this Last season, uh, and she went to be playing video games instead didn't end up mattering, but Um, but uh, she was making fire. Uh, he got her pull-up bars, uh, grippy things that charlie recommended puzzles doing all the things that chrissy hates uh So

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_02] yeah, and then she's talked about how she's a social person and a number of social people have won recently So she plans to focus on that, but she also knows strategy doesn't go out the window And to me, this is an important point that people sometimes forget But we keep reminding people on this podcast So let me get on my soapbox for just a moment Yes You need to pretend to be nice. That is one of the rules

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02] People do not win just by being nice First, you have to make it to the end of the game and that is where the bulk of the strategy comes in

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_07] Yes I Listened to bianca and I fell in love with bianca. I was like She just She also has this this quality about her But then I was thinking to myself boy. She reminds me so much of like those survivor Applicants and players and and when i'm like and I could not remember the individual's name

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_07] But it was I got the same exact vibe and it was someone who ended up being voted out like third Um, and yes, and I and I so I I was like, oh, is this going to be bianca's curse? Because there's so much to love about bianca that I I am almost nervous that she is going to go out there And is just going to be Too perfect in a way and so people are going to be like, yeah, no, i'm i'm not i'm not

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_07] Bianca needs to go is what I what I fear for bianca because she just brings so much to the table Uh, so I i'm a little bit I'm a little bit worried for bianca because there is just so much here that seems delicious and good and and great survivor qualities that Yeah, and I don't know. I so I I I that was my my I was like wow I really she's so great and then my brain started swirling about all those other people that are like she's so

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_07] I think it was one of my winner picks actually Um, I see an m in my head molly, but I don't think it's molly But anyway

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02] Okay, well, yeah, we will uh, we will see on that Uh, we can move on to eva She is 24 and a phd candidate in engineering and fluid and thermal science from minnesota currently in rhode island Uh, she went from being told she could never live on her own because of her autism to currently working towards her phd at brown And being team captain on the brown university men's hockey team

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, while being an ncaa hockey official Which is what she's going to tell people she does she's not going to tell people she has giant seal uh, imitations in a pool and so

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_07] Um, why would you not tell people that?

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02] I mean, it is kind of cool, but right

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_07] Wow, yeah, I was fascinated absolutely fascinated by the work that she does

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, but she wants to be seen on her tribe as an athlete while she keeps her intelligent hidden so she's not too much of a threat Now One thing she said about her autism is she has somewhat of an inability to recognize social cues And so even though she's a very social person which you can pick up on just in her interviews Uh, she doesn't Get the small social cues

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02] That everyone else does so she says she may miss it when people lie to her which is obviously a potential detriment in the game And she also said she's not good at finding things so she won't be able to get an advantage or an idol and isn't going to rely on it And she said I feel like I have to rely more on the rest of my gameplay instead of all these little additional things that you could find Which made me say wow, what a concept

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02] Are you giving her a hard time? Not her I'm giving everybody else a hard time who says they're going to rely on advantages and idols

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, I do think that she I love that she's coming into this game and she recognizes all of these things about her Because that is one thing that that we've talked a lot about is you have to know what your strengths are You have to know what your weaknesses are and she clearly knows both very well But I also think that her ability to Do the things that she's been doing and overcome the obstacles she's been able to overcome I I think is really going to bode well for her in this game

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_07] The fact that she plays hockey in you know in a men's league and is also like the captain I mean all of these things I don't feel like she's going to constrain herself to a particular set of rules or a particular set of dynamics I know rules I know I know But but I can see her being very flexible And in her approach and how she's going to play the game because she recognizes she's going to need to be So I think that she's going to find herself in a good place Just as far as her

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_07] Understanding of herself and what she can bring to this game and really Honing in on those parts of her that she knows are going to go well for her in this game

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, yeah, and you know you mentioned coming in Knowing what you know certain downsides are I'll have more to say about that at the end, but yes, I I agree with you because I think too many people I might as well just say it now too many people come in being like i'm a great lie detector I will always know when someone's telling me the truth And they're always wrong almost Right. Yeah, always but

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_02] Um, but a lot of the time yes, and so knowing That she can't rely on that I think actually puts her in a better position Because she's not going to be like okay. You're telling me i'm reading your pupils and they're not dilating I'm writing your body language, whatever No, she's just gonna have to take it on other aspects of the game to figure it out Yeah, um now I

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_02] Love of course her hot take Which is I think that you should not be allowed to ask what someone's going to do with the money in final tribal council Yeah, I think that should have no indication of how someone played the rules are to outwit outplay and outlast and that's what the jury should Be making their decision based on not on who needs the money the most or who do you think is going to use it the best? No, it should be based on your gameplay not outside factors Mm-hmm agreed. Yeah, and there were a lot of people

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02] Who commented on I mean, she's the only one I remember commenting on this specifically There were a number of people who were clearly impacted by maria turning on charlie Uh, oh my gosh they had seen Yeah, there was and there definitely was and I think this also plays from some of that, you know Just what happened in that jury there?

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, no, that makes sense Hmm

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_02] All right, well we can move on to joe the fire captain. He is uh, from california. He is 45 He applied for survivor in honor of his sister Who had wanted him to do it and then was killed due to domestic violence I He prepared by watching a new era supercut of challenges and tribal councils But also watched earlier with his sister and then paused uh somewhat when she passed away Um

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02] Watching bruce Helped him see he cannot be the island dad

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_07] Even though he is such a dad. Yes, yes His kids are everything to him. I think it's great. Yeah, uh,

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02] But he says that his biggest kryptonite is he wears his emotions on his sleeve Uh, you know, and in the moment his initial reaction might be one that's not pleasant And he said that doesn't normally come with words just body language and facial expressions

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_07] Mm Mm-hmm Well He also might have mentioned millennials versus gen x as well He did that's an epic epic season Oh, okay You know, he did he obviously obviously But yeah, I do think that joe is a little bit of an of an interesting mix because He doesn't want to be the dad but as I said he is all about being a dad

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_07] It's very very important to him his and and I just feel like he's he's going to bring He's going to be the kind person I know that that we we've already talked about david wanting to be kind I think joe just is kind. I don't think it's going he's going to have to try to be kind I think it's just going to kind of ooze off of him and and out of him from every pore And so I i'm i'm fascinated to see how he's going to

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_07] Handle that part and then necessity to be backstabbing and a little more um aggressive and a little more Underhanded I don't I think joe might struggle with that a bit, but I think he's going to be saved by his Physicalness as well Because they are going to need him. I think at the beginning of um Yeah, the work that needs to be done for these tribal councils. So Very uh, very interested

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_07] To see how joe is going to To bring that all together Yes

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_02] Now one other thing I He recognizes something that a couple people should have paid more attention to last season Which is that when jeff asks a question in tribal council You don't have to give him an insightful thoughtful and really impactful statement And sometimes it's good to just say less

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_07] Yes, and production will hate you for it, but I will love you for it Thank you joe

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_02] Yes, I mean we literally had people voted out for that last season now He didn't see last season of course, but uh, but yes, right?

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_07] Yes, you don't need to you don't need to give jeff everything that's fine But he does know jeff's last name i'm assuming so there's that

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02] All right, uh, so next up is beard guy otherwise known as shaheen

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_07] We're finally meeting beard guy finally meet beard guy

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02] He is he is 38 He is a speech and debate professor from california who was a lawyer for a bit

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_07] He says he learned to tone it down his name and not just call him beard guy

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02] I did I said shaheen

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_07] Oh, I didn't hear you say that. I apologize

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_02] Um He he uh learned to tone it down from making such an impact as beard guy In pregame interviews when he was an alternate on 46. So this is a situation here we've talked before About Do the alternates have an advantage and it was mostly it was like There's a little bit of an advantage just knowing what the process is but other than that no biggie No for him. There was a big advantage

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02] Yes, he was able to completely Like change up and adjust his pre-gaming

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, uh, and there only seemed to be one person Uh, who picked up I think was camilla She was the only one who picked up on that's beard guy From 46, right? Yeah, she was the only one that seemed to put Yeah, that put those things together so no one else seemed to

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02] Well, I mean people like chrissy and david and those folks are not going to pick up on that because they don't oh Sure, right

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_07] But I but I do think it's interesting that there only seemed to be one but yes He completely changed because he was not the topic of conversation of so many of the people in their interviews As uh, he was when we were like who is this beard guy?

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02] Right Well, now we'll know uh, yeah, he said he he uh, uh loves the show though He watched only the season one finale and then not again until the covid shutdown Uh, he also got his mom into it and she lost a bet to him and had to watch every episode of every season I don't call that losing a bet. I call that winning a bet but um When I heard his hot take when it was posted on blue sky

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, I think it was by dalton about being in favor of final four fire making and even wanting more fire making in the show I immediately said well, I know who i'm not rooting for Um, and I still completely disagree with it, but He had a lot of other very smart things to say It's just that there's one that you know that one really bad one that that weighs on it in the in the balance there

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, yeah Um, well Oh, go ahead

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02] Well, I was just gonna say he he says the debate trained him to think critically about the world Taught him to see the other side and that changing your mind is a good thing Okay, then I want you to see the correct side of the final four fire making issue and change your mind because what you said was wrong

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_07] And not that i'm supporting What he said that you know final four fire making is a good thing, but he did say we just need more fire It's not just we need the final four fire making we need more

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02] I don't it is not Fire making 48 I don't disagree with you

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_07] I'm just saying that he wants more fire not just that fire So at least he's giving us a little bit of an asterisk next to the fire making there is that But i he's he's so likable right? I mean he I mean other than that other than that. I will I I I agree. I don't I don't like the the fire making either uh, but he Is I think he's talking about when he's talking about the rock. I think he's talking about jo

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_07] Uh, so and I and I think joe also referenced shaheen as well So maybe we've got a little bit of a duo there And he There's just something that's very he's very calming like he just has this calm nature about him But it's also like his brain is always working So I think he's going to be a very interesting mix because he's he seems to be very analytical and I think you have to be with the debate team and and All the things that that he's been able to do

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_07] So I I'm very I'm very into beard guy as well as everyone else was into beard guy in 46 So I I'm I think he's going to I think he's going to do well I really I really see him doing well just because there is this kind of calm nature about him In addition to him wanting to be Schemy and plotty, but I think it's going to be done in a way that's not going to be seen as threatening

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, but He also says he's a logic bully and that's his kryptonite and he tends to push a little too hard and then get weak agreement And I mean we've seen that on survivor where someone's like no we really need to go after this person eventually someone yeah Okay, we will and then as soon as they walk away from them. They're like no we won't So You know that he has to watch out for

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, but I think and i'll maybe i'll save that when we talk about the tribe

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_02] Okay, um, he thinks he has a surprising level of empathy And that they right people recognize where they're coming where he he's coming from and that He understands their experience in a way they might not have expected because he could put someone else in their shoes Uh, and so he believes he's the perfect combination socially savvy Strategically competent without being over the top Athletically underestimated

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_02] Um I do like that. He talked about how in real life people Have time to get to know him Beyond first appearances, but on survivor He knows he doesn't have that time so he'll need to Talk to people directly so they get to know the secret softy inside of him You know, we've we've criticized people before For saying like, oh, yeah, people will see me as rude But once they get to know me we'll be like they won't get to know you right There won't be time to get to know you

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02] So he understands that um, he also uh, you know, these are some of the other good things that he uh said Uh, he doesn't want the idol. He doesn't want advantages. He thinks people are suspicious of him already He's going to be viewed as a threat And so he he doesn't even want to deal with that extra level

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, yeah, on all of those I think are are good things because I think he's doing a lot of what Uh, eva did it's eva right now I want to make sure i'm saying her name correctly. I believe it's eva Okay, so I feel like he's doing a lot of the same with the caveat that he learned what with 46 right? He had the opportunity to hear what people were saying about him and understand how he was being perceived So I I think he comes into this game knowing this is how i'm going to be perceived

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_07] Need to keep that in check Right, so I I think that he's going to be in a good position as well because he's had that time to Figure that out hear what people say about him and add it to how he's going to React and act when he's out on the island. So I I think that It was to his benefit and I think to his advantage to be out there in 46 here all of these things for sure

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_02] Um, now another uh good thing that he said was the meta in 46 was you have to cut your number one I don't know who came up with that, but that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard Why why do you have to cut your number one? No, you go to the end with your number one and you sit there you make arguments as to who's better So yes again, like I said, he has a lot of good takes and you know a couple of really bad Uh, so All right, we can move on to star

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_02] Um, she is 28 a sales expert originally from Liberia and now in georgia Uh, but she's not telling anyone that she does sales rather that she's a stay-at-home mom um Which she is a mom also, you know, I mean she's yes Right about that part, right? Um So, uh, she

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02] She said she didn't really watch the show till her son was born which was about 11 months prior Uh, she's watched all the seasons But and this is this is the the problem we've talked about before Binging like that does not necessarily get you a full understanding of the game Unless you go deeper Yeah, um Um, and and as an example She said she doesn't think she needs to have a story

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_02] And she can just focus on what's happening on the show And sure If all you've done is watch the show and you binge the show And you think that what you see represents everything That might make sense to you But if you understand that you're with these people 24 7 and you have a lot of time even in a 26 day game You have a lot of time to talk and get to know each other

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02] You'd better have some story or you're not going to make good relationships

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_07] Hmm But I think that she's Still going to have a story without trying to have a story if if that makes sense Like I can understand where she's coming From in saying that where It's like I don't need to come in and and have a sob story I don't need to come in and have And and have something about my past that I that I need everyone to recognize I think she's going to come in she's just going to be who she

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_07] Says she is she's star and she's a mom new mom and and I think that that is going to be her story And I think the fact that she is going to own that is still going to get her Connected with people in the tribe if that makes sense Like I don't think she feels like she needs to create something I think it's just going to be who she is and she's going to talk about herself and her life In a way that that becomes her story

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, I just I didn't see it that way when she when she was talking about it I just the way she talked about it was like we should focus on the here and now not who we are off the aisle

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_07] Well, I think she's going to realize very quickly that you have to Right. Well, I hope you talk about right because what else are you going to sit around and talk about?

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_02] Right. I mean, oh look at that leaf Look at that bird

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah So I I don't think she's going to be able to help herself either. I mean she was she is very on when she when she talks and she is And she likes to talk and she Prides herself on on On her ability to to put things together really quickly And so I can't imagine that she is not going to want to talk about her life in addition to what's going on on the island

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_07] I just feel like it's going to happen because she is very much uh that Personality I I got a little bit of like Caroline when she was, you know, just like the Kind of the the wow in I mean she is star and she's and everyone Oh, carolyn excuse me. I have to yes, I have to try to keep those I have to keep those straight carolyn Yes, and so I I did get a lot of that vibe from her where it's just going to be like

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_07] I feel like she is a lot but she's a lot in a different way than than I saw beyond that being so Yeah, I mean I think that she will have that story because it's just going to come from her

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02] Well, yeah, and she said, you know, she thinks her charm will be basically her superpower Uh, and she doesn't have to think before she speaks the the words just come out naturally Um, and you know, she can look someone in the eye and talk to them as if they've known each other forever Uh, and people will trust her even if they're lying to her or she's lying to them

[01:11:19] Um

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_02] As far as the other side she just learned to swim so she's worried that will be her kryptonite um Mm-hmm But uh, you know, we'll we'll see if her charm can outweigh that Now an interesting thing She said her older sister and husband not her husband her older sister's husband Um, love survivor. They literally gave me a rule a list of what to do

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, and i'm like, oh a list of what to do, huh? But no, it's not Because the list was similar to what we've already mentioned, which was like don't say too much to jeff You know, that was one thing and that's smart Uh, look for idols, but don't make it too obvious. Okay, that's smart. Don't say a name smart Um, she said but the hard part is She is there for the information

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_02] She is there to tell you the tea and she feels that will be her downfall because she's not going to hold anything back And she's going to talk about whatever happens in camp in tribal council I hope she overcomes that I hope she does too because for for tv viewing. I hope she doesn't for her own game. I hope she does well

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_07] Right, and that's where you have to find that balance and and hopefully she does find that balance Because she is going to want to give the tea But I i'm hoping that it's It's more of just entertainment as opposed to let me tell you all the things that are happening jeff You know, if she's able to do it in a way that that doesn't Disclose a whole lot then you know, maybe it'll just be entertaining and it'll be a good time Otherwise, it's not gonna bode well

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02] Which is my worry All right, we can move on to thomas. He is 34 and a music executive from texas and now in la He started watching in 2022 and then watched 42 seasons in nine months So rewind a few minutes and go back to what we just said about star in that regard about pinging and stuff He said uh as far as like how He'll deal with with the situation

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_02] He said his friend and and he laments that we work in a viper pit on a regular basis Nothing has prepared me more for this game than the music business Um, but he also loves people He has a tendency to make people feel like they're closer than they actually are And he thinks that will serve him in the game where you know, everybody will get along But he'll also probably look like the biggest backstabber and liar So jury management is going to be hard for him

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_07] Mm Mm-hmm I love him I I Tom if you're listening listen, we're gonna go get some cold brew together and we are just going to Yuck it up and talk about everybody because this is what I want to do with him He just seems like Someone who you just Oh, you want to talk to but you want to talk to about everyone you you want to gossip

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_07] I just I feel like this is what tom is going to bring out in people and you want some tea star star's gonna give you the tea tom Because she's gonna share it with you. I see this happening I just he's just there's just something about tom that you I just want to spend time with him I just want to hang out with him Do I think he's gonna do great? I don't know, but I definitely want to hang out with the guy like oh my gosh I just And he said he's obsessed with stephanie and I love that term that he is obsessed

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_07] Uh, and he's intrigued by justin. There's so many things about tom that I I really do appreciate I I think that he can do What he was hoping to do was kind of stir the pot and make a little bit of an issue over here And no one will know that he's doing it because of his personality I feel like he's going to be able to pull that off and it's going to be very entertaining to watch

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, that is an interesting thing where he you know He says he plans to not get along with everyone and pick a fight You know basically pick someone to have conflict with uh with and they may know it or not Um, he he also says that advantages are incredible if you can keep it to yourself Uh, and he's he said he's old school idol in his underwear. We're never speaking about it And

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_02] So he he hopes to try to figure out where they are and weaponize the information Or if he finds one lead someone to it so he knows they have it and then use that against them uh down the road So You know all those I think are good things. We'll we'll see what happens when it Actually comes to it Um, he he said something you know similar about taking out the number one He's like i'm not doing that just to put it on a resume

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, if I think my number one will beat me sure Uh, but You know he He hopes to go with the number one to the end

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_07] I think he's fabulous So I do I do enjoy him immensely well I I enjoy him immensely we can talk about the tribe now if you like So

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_02] I feel like shaheen will at least make it to the merge Um, I I think a combination of his potential strength and personality will make him a threat at that point Um, bianca seems very prepared and I think her work in pr will enable her to stick around for a while Eva Also seems very personable and I think we'll get along well with the two I just mentioned And throw thomas in there too so that to me only leaves two people potentially out

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_02] Joe has big muscles Um, that's not always a good enough reason to keep someone but you know at the very beginning Mm, you know, um, so maybe he won't go out in the first vote I could actually see him going second And Really? But obviously who does that narrow it down to for first? I think star could go first And I would chalk it up mostly to the way she binged the show

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_02] And perhaps doesn't understand the ins and outs of it Um, plus like I said her sister the fan told her to hold back and she doesn't plan to do that So

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_02] I hate to say it I mean, I hate to say it pretty much about anyone on this tribe, but I'm I I'm gonna guess star goes first from this tribe

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_07] Well, and here's here's the struggle I have um I I feel like what's going to Yes, I can I share your concern to a star that she might not necessarily have the The information that she needs to have about survivor because she did Binge and she just kind of crammed it all in you know pretty quickly But at the same time I do think that there's something to say about her charisma and and she was

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_07] In referencing that herself. I think she's going to be very uh She's going to be a strong personality But I don't think that that's necessarily going to be a fault for her in this particular group And I say that because i'm looking at the people in this group and i'm curious How are they all going to jive? I don't feel the same way about the laggy tribe as I do about is it sebas? However, you say these tribe names Where I can see the connections and I can see people wanting to like come together

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_07] This group I think we're going to have two people that are going to be vying for the The head of the snake if you will But they aren't going to want to be seen that way and I that's where I think we have a bianca and shaheen issue that's going to happen where You're going to have both of them who Feel like they should be listened to and they should be the ones in charge And then everyone's going to have to kind of

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_07] Fall in line and figure out where they want to be and where they who they want to align with And I think that's where we're going to get headbutting from I could be wrong But i'm just kind of reading The room you could be wrong in a prediction. No way. I know it's crazy, right? I will be wrong. So i'll just throw that out there too So I think in that In that world and in looking at the the laggy tribe That's where I that I come back to that bianca concern where

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_07] She is going to be someone who is so prepared and so ready and has everything that she needs That shaheen is going to be like No, bianca's got it. She's got to go And I think that there's going to be enough people wanting to get behind beard guy Um, that that he's going to end up taking the day and ruling the day and so I could see him grabbing on to Those like because joe don't know. I don't think joe's going to be a real

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_07] Strategist. I don't think star is going to be a real strategist I think tom is going to be over in the corner trying to like Like make things happen and he's going to be able to do it and and Eva is going to be Kind of following along because she isn't going to be able to necessarily like lead the charge So I really think that that's where I see bianca falling To the side and people getting behind shaheen and that's why i'm really worried for bianca that she's just She's too like

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_07] It's it's very much like kyle like you're like you got too many good qualities

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_02] You're turning into chrissy. You're the anti-superfan

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_07] I'm not the anti-superfan. I know I think it really is how you present it And i'm very concerned that bianca is not going to be able to like Rain that that part of her in and say like you know what? I don't need to i don't need to like necessarily be in charge I think it's just going to be too obvious. So that's that's where i'm i'm falling on this one

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_09] All right

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_07] But tom yeah, let's go Let's go have some cold brew

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_02] You're a little further away from him

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_07] I know I hate that too. It's terrible But anyway, all right

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_02] All right, we will move on to the vula tribe which is wearing green and begin with cedric a 46 year old surgeon from south carolina Who does not plan to hide that he is a surgeon which is good as we learned from josh um, and he has regularly watched survivor since 2000 uh I have to say I did not really get a whole lot out of cedricon um

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_02] He he said he plans to be on assuming and start at ground level and build relationships which sounds good And his biggest superpower is the ability to talk to almost anyone about anything and create a connection But then what I I don't know I I I do not know and because of that Spoiler for the section on summarizing the tribe. I think he could easily go first

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, but there is something about cedric that is very um

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_08] Say entertaining

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_07] Not entertaining

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_08] Not entertaining he's not cedric the entertainer okay

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_07] No, he is not cedric the entertainer, but that's pretty funny. Uh, but I I think that he is He is very

[01:22:44] I

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_07] I don't know if I want to say unassuming Just because he he's just seems to have kind of a good grasp on Life if that makes sense and I and he does a lot of uh Like he's uh, what's the what's the word? Um, he goes on like shows and he gives them his opinion about various medical Components where they might have um

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_07] What what word am I thinking of? I don't even know But but he's like kind of an advisor I guess for for for tv shows and so he does he must have I mean he goes I mean he's not just like behind the scenes He's like on camera doing these things so he's got to have something about him that That comes across on screen and so there was there was something kind of like I don't know like under the surface with cedric that I was I was a little bit fascinated with because I think he might just have that quiet

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_07] Confidence about him that might carry him through a little bit He's he's not going to necessarily be in your face. Yeah, he's he's a surgeon and he's smart, but he's like, yeah, i'm a surgeon Okay, you know, I like I feel like it's just gonna it's just gonna be like yeah So what kind of as opposed to being like look at me and and and all of the incredible things that I can do I don't know. So I feel like I understand where you're coming out with struggling a little bit with cedric, but I did the quiet confidence

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_07] I I can appreciate about cedric and so I do think that he is Not going to come in and be like I need to take over and I need to be in control But I think there will be a respect about him because he won't be doing that and I so I I can I can see him At least pre merge like being okay

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_02] Okay, all right Uh, we will move on to our pizzeria manager. Justin He is 29 and he also has a degree from yale He he is from massachusetts Interestingly, uh, he's a vegetarian So we'll see if he caves like kyle did last season and eats meat It's hungry Um, he has watched survivor for a long time and for example, he clearly knew who mike bloom was as he was doing those interviews

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_02] Mm Justin says his superpower is his ability to connect with people and I would say working in his family's pizza restaurant I imagine he has to do that a lot In addition, he said I don't act like a yale grad. I don't talk like a yale grad. I don't look like a yale grad But I am a yale grad And he said I I think that training and the studying that i've done people i've met that's all up here But it's covered by a lot of hair. It's covered by a hat. It's covered by a lot of pizza um So

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_02] to me the question for him is can he combine The yale side of him and the pizza manager side of him into a survivor player side um, I think he can certainly be social enough I'm having a hard time pinning down the strategic side

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, I can I can agree with that because I do think that he's He does seem to be a very loyal person for sure And so I think that loyalty will definitely be something that he brings to any game that he's playing I mean, just look at the decisions that he's made relative to his family And will he do the same with the people that he's playing this game with? I'm curious about that if that's something that he would bring to

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_07] The strategic portion of his game like is he going to be someone that like Gloms on to a particular group of people and like that's it Those are my people and that's who i'm going to play with So, you know He is kind of he's kind of a mix because how many People do you see with his type of of resume if you will right where he is a yale grad has done like incredible things He was 18 Um with where he was where he was working

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_07] And now he is running this the pizza shop for his family. So he's certainly someone who has Had a wide range of things happen in his life So I I don't really know honestly like where he is going to end up I certainly don't think he's going to take charge either. I don't see him necessarily taking charge of this group But I also don't think he's going to just kind of sit back and let someone else Take control either. I think he's going to find that middle ground

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_07] Just I don't know, but he he seems He's he's an interesting mix for sure

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_02] All right, we can move to kevin who is 34 and a finance manager from california He has watched survivor since australia sort of but he didn't really get into it till cook islands um Speaking of interesting mixes we have you know, we have another one here Because he has experience with basically being a salesperson at abercrombie As he described the manager was like your job is to charm people make people feel like a million dollars when they come into the store

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_02] Be hospitable be friendly And he said that really trained me well to talk to so many people and knock their socks off Uh, and I will say one of my sons worked at abercrombie at their hq not in the stores Uh, you know doing other things and uh, while the co-workers were nice. It was not that kind of work It was not a lot of uh Necessarily charm going around and a lot of excitement Uh But getting back to kevin uh after talking about his social abilities

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_02] He said he has to play a really strategic game of not being so social Because I think people can already see that i'm kind of smiley and really friendly So he worries that people will think he's a threat because he's being too nice to everyone And making alliances with everyone and so it's it's Or or people will think that he's Making alliances It is a smart thing to watch out for um

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_02] So yeah, you know, that'll be interesting to see how he does that

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_07] Well, and I think that his I think part of his issue is really going to stem from how he's been presenting himself at least from his own description from Ponderosa Where he's just kind of like staring off into The bliss and Not really doing much to Connect with people because he's so worried about being seen as too social that I think he's put himself into a box where people are like I don't even know I can't get a read from this person

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_07] I and and I think he's going to be in a in a tough spot Because those those few days are very important to try to make those connections and I don't think he's necessarily Made those connections and I think he's trying too hard to overcompensate For being Likeable and being sociable that once he gets on the island, he's going to have to try to play catch up and it's going to be too little too late I so i'm very concerned with how he has Put himself in front of the group thus far

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_07] And I don't think that that's it's going to work for him because we know this game does move very quickly and people are making decisions very quickly And I I worry for him in in the decisions that he's made Pre-game and how it's going to affect him in the game

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, yeah another thing that worries me a bit is How his plans are laid out including kevin's family tree Yeah, uh, he said he's going to make himself a family member to everyone But didn't didn't I just say he was concerned that he would look like he's making alliances with everyone? So, right, right, yeah, um, but he you know, he also has specific plans to get another guy as a meat shield A woman to ensure there isn't a woman's alliance and if there is he can be the fourth

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_02] But then vote out the meat shield pre-merge so the tribe doesn't appear strong coming into the merge and It is all very detailed As one might expect from someone who is used to like dealing with complex finances and managing them Right, and I like that he has these ideas The question is how he'll react when the implementation doesn't work out the way he expects because At some point it's not going to right

[01:31:03] Um

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_02] So that's where you know, we're gonna have to see his flexibility in terms of Okay Is this going to work for you?

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_02] Um now one thing that I liked that he said was he's okay with not playing flashy early He said the strategy is to survive with the numbers going in and the people that you trust going into the merge And then after the merge he wants to control it using that family tree plan and make a big move at seven or so again Very laid out Yeah, again good planning as long as you know the problem of course with the big move at seven or six Is then they get rid of you right afterwards we've seen it

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_02] You'll be the target. Yeah, we've seen it time and time again

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_07] Again, this sounds like the the The stereotypical version of this is the survivor game I want to play right But we've all seen The best laid plans, right? You walk in and you're like this is what I want to do But it has to it has to fall in line with everyone else's plans and everyone else's ideas and And you might not be able to do that. So is he going to be flexible the way that it needs to be? Right I don't know because it seems like there's it's too as you indicated like Analytical and it's all laid out and this move then that and I'm going to do this

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_07] I'm going to do that You can't go into a game and and have it all structured in such a way when it's a game like survivor You have to be able to bob and weave and change and I don't know if if kevin's necessarily going to be able to do that Yeah

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_02] Now one other thing I wanted to mention is he had the same idea that we have heard from other people that he's going to look for idols at night And again, we've said this before it is really dark at night

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_07] Can't see anything

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, stop it Yeah, we finally got a glimpse of that last season when rachel was sneaking up on the group talking about her and they literally turned off the uh uh, the dark vision lens But obviously he didn't see that so he's still going in there thinking. Oh, there's going to be some light and I can look no No, there is yeah

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_07] So stark trust me. I was out there. It's dark Yeah

[01:33:08] Yeah

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_02] All right, we can move on to mary who is a 31 year old social worker and substance abuse counselor originally from maryland now in philadelphia her Her parents emigrated from china after having been involved in organizing the tiananmen square demonstrations and then Her mom was jailed for a while while her dad was on the run So yeah, she is a What a hell of a family story going on there. They wrote a book. Yeah

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_07] My word everything I and she's so nonchalant about so much of this It's like oh, yeah, and then this happened and then there was that and it was just Like just reading this and then listen to your talk about I really do hope they wrote a book because wow wow

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_02] Just incredible. Yeah, she started watching early in covid She said she doesn't lie much in real life but recognizes that out here the name of the game is deception And she also thinks that volunteering at a crisis hotline where 25 of the calls were suicide related Prepared her because you have to get someone to trust you within moments speaking to them for the first time And that is an interesting view that I Never would have thought of yeah, yeah

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_07] Again, wow everything about mary. I just kept finding myself thinking this is incredible. I do love her strategic sandwich I think that's fantastic I'm very much into that so I can appreciate where she's coming From in in that regard so I like that plan and it's different even though I just said, you know Kevin's coming in with all these ideas the strategic sandwich is something that that can is the strategic salmon salmon

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_02] Sandwich the one where she wants to keep a weaker and a stronger player. Yes But to me that's the appendix a sandwich She wants to keep a weak and a strong so that no matter what if people are voting out the weak or the strong You know, she'll have someone other than her

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, and I think it's funny because she even says I don't know how i'm gonna play because one of her strengths is adaptability So I love that for her as well that she is not coming in as kevin where it's a structured idea And I need to do x y and z when I get to this point to that point She is going to adapt to what is going on around her So I think in in that regard her strategic sandwich is a great plan, but it's going to be adaptable as well And so I I really appreciated that component of mary as well where she was like, I don't know how i'm gonna play

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_07] But that's because I can yeah i'm adaptable right

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_02] She also wants to uh players not to see how strategic she is and instead She thinks they'll believe she's chaotic and loud. Uh, so that'll be interesting to watch Um, and and of course, you know, you talked about being adaptable. So that's you know, another rule rule three there so, uh, I do have a good feeling about mary

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_07] There's something about mary something about mary. That's good. Look at you coming up with all these little Funny funny ways to talk about their names. Yeah, like it

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_02] All right next up is size. She is 30 Uh, a marketing professional originally from philadelphia now in california The funny thing to me is she used to work for nbc and was responsible for like their shows and bravo shows So maybe after she's done here if she does well enough she'll end up back on like the traders or deal or no deal island um Um

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_02] Quite possible. Yeah, she she said she's always watched the show sporadically and then started more intensively from the beginning

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_06] Mm-hmm. Um,

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_02] So I talked about some of her prep including being out on her patio making fire and having the fire department called once And she said she was like I didn't actually start a fire. It was just actually trying to make a fire Uh, no It kind of reminds me of when I was in college and my roommate had these horribly stinky shoes So at the end of the summer, we decided to burn them in the barbecue grill And so pro tip here. That's not a good idea

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_02] That's really not a smart idea because when you burn rubber which is typically in gym shoes It produces a lot of black smoke and uh, the neighbor across the parking lot called the fire department And so the fire department pulled up and we're out there yelling from our balcony. No, no problem here. Just just having a barbecue

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_07] Bad idea. It's all a bad idea No, don't do that She also talked about about being the middleman as well. So she's she has a similar I think idea or plan that we just talked about with mary uh, and and she so I think that that's that'll be a good place for her to to kind of fall into but She also seems to be like mary and that

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_07] She's not necessarily going to like lock herself into that. She will be adaptable as well So I think there's a lot of Things that that we can see in her that we could see in mary It's just she didn't describe it as a strategic sandwich necessarily, but more of the middleman So I I can see that the two things kind of coming together in that regard

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, and she said, you know, her biggest weakness is emotion and she can be very reactive but needs to contain it She said even though somebody might do something terrible to me. I can't necessarily vote them off the next vote I might need to use them for however long But also showing my expressions. I need to be well aware of how i'm coming off. So all that is very good very self-aware

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_07] Yes, I do love that there is the self-aware and she was she's been swimming every day. So she is ready for Swimming challenges as well. So and I I should mention this and someone else. I think it was Tom my guy Tom that I love Um talked about going to therapy before going out playing survivor. I'm like what a great idea like therapy or physical therapy No, like um, so she talked about therapy. I think tom talked about physical therapy But then I started thinking about it. I'm like god

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_07] What a great idea to have both of those things because you're not just like working out your body You're preparing your body, but you're also preparing your mind. I just thought that that was that was an interesting Yeah, kind of just side note that like perhaps before you go out and and play survivor get some therapy both physical and mental It might be helpful for you Yeah, take it from someone who played the game just saying Anyway,

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_02] Well side note there. All right, and now we have stephanie. Uh, she is 38 and a tech product lead in brooklyn She was a teacher for eight years before that she loves survivor and other reality tv Watched originally as a kid but started watching again at the beginning of the pandemic She clearly knows mike and talked about listening to tons of pregame press for other seasons Um, so you know for all we know she's watching or listening now. Hello stephanie. Hi stephanie

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_02] And uh, you know Also, she may have listened before because uh, her hot take was I think all advantages at this point are disadvantage Uh

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, that's a good one too. Yeah

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_02] She Wrote herself a manifesto about playing before coming out And it seems like the key was balance Like she won't be the strongest but hopes she could be strong enough She knows she can't show up on day one and tell people what to do and and I agree with her if if she maintains the balance I think she'll be in a good spot

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_07] Yes, and I I think that stephanie is another one That Left an impression on a lot of people in ponderosa uh, there was Many mentions about stephanie people loving stephanie people not liking stephanie uh That that comment uh also came from size She didn't seem to be a big stephanie fan which makes me a little nervous because they are on the same tribe So i'm hoping that that's something that they can work through and it doesn't become an issue

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_07] Uh, she is certainly someone that I you know, I struggled with stephanie because initially I was like I don't know is she going to be too much like is she going to be like I was thinking about You know, bianca or being but I get a different type of too much vibe it's more of the like star type of vibe where it's it's actually I think going to work for stephanie Because it has worked for stephanie in her life And so I think it's probably going to continue to work for her on the island as well

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_07] Because there is something about her that I think people were drawn to and I think there was something about mary You can't say there's something about stephanie. Well, there's something about stephanie, too. Okay, um, but I To have so many people Talk about her pregame Clearly, there's something about her that that stands out and that is that they notice and and I I know there was someone I it might have I can't remember who said it but someone was like, you know It shouldn't be about who you like the best or who you like the most

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_07] But we know that that that is actually something that happens in survivor when you're down to it Like who am I going to pick? Is it someone that I like better than this person or somebody get along better than this person? So and I think stephanie brings that so there is definitely something about her as well That I think is going to work for her in this game because I think people will be drawn to her In a way that will be beneficial to her. Yeah, yeah, and speaking about the end game

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_02] She understands the most important element which is and you she She said survivor is about making it to the end and sitting next to two people you can beat I really that You know, obviously it sounds obvious, but it's not always obvious to people Uh, right and she believes she has the adaptability and resilience to make it to the end and the smarts to make the right moves along the way and the storytelling ability to put it all in front of a jerk

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, I and I think she I I think she can definitely do all of those things and I love that She said, please don't make me your winner pick anyone because it's too much fresher

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, she said that I missed that she did

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_07] She did

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_02] She's like if I have to change that then we'll have to see All right for the tribal prediction before we get to the overall Uh, I mean, I've already said who I think will be first out and that's cedric I I Worry that stephanie will throw in her lot with him And end up on the outs, but I hope that she'll see what's happening and and not do that um Yeah Hmm

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_02] I I I think kevin and justin will get along. Well, i'm not sure where si will fall in there Um, I I do worry a little bit about mary because just Her describing herself is appearing chaotic Um, but I think kevin overall will get the furthest

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_07] You really think so?

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_02] I I do

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_07] Wow

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_02] I may be having second thoughts on it, but that was you know when I wrote this down. That's what I was thinking

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_07] See and it's it's interesting because I kind of went back and forth this tribe. I struggle with the most Uh I think that this tribe is going to have some issues overall, but I also like I was torn between People on this tribe for various reasons and I Oh, gosh, this is so fascinating because we're in such different places

[01:44:28] [SPEAKER_02] Well, I mean, I know I had some things to say about him and his over planning and stuff, but Maybe it's just the engineer in me and I hope that you know his planning works out

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, I I actually think kevin is going to be in trouble Okay, I I think he's going to be and I say that because I I think that just looking and this is a very interesting They're all interesting individuals on all of the tribes, but I feel like this one in particular Is is going to be an interesting mix of people and I I do think that I just feel like kevin is going to put himself in a position that is

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_07] Feel like that. I don't know. I just I keep coming back to kevin. I can see connections being formed with Various people I was sigh. I was a little bit Worried about but I feel like I don't know. I just keep going back to kevin. I'm going with my gut. I'm just going my gut. I'm worried about kevin

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_02] Okay, so Overall predictions I already mentioned that I think the first out for each tribe will be chrissy cedric and star Um, yes, I realize I picked two of the older players which I hate to do, but it's just the way Things seem this season as i'm looking at them. So Which tribe will end up going to tribal council first? I actually think it'll be the one we're just discussing vula

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_02] And so my first out prediction is cedric

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_07] I agree i'm worried about vula and i'm worried about vula which makes me so very sad Uh, but I so I just I don't know. I feel like sorry kevin. I just I don't there's just yeah It is what it is. Unfortunately, I think seba is gonna kill it I think seba is just gonna take the crown uh, right? I I think we are definitely going to see uh seva not to go to

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, okay That's that's my prediction for seba. Um, now as far as those going far

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_02] I had mentioned kevin who you think will be first out I had mentioned bianca eva thomas and camilla um of them I get the best feelings out of eva and camilla Now I have to recognize that when it comes to camilla a large part of that comes from her sarcasm and sense of humor Both in her interviews and the little bit we've seen on social media So I think I need to set that aside that's more like I like her as a person

[01:47:06] [SPEAKER_02] uh, and I I don't know that that means she'll win um And even though eva believes that she won't be able to detect a lie I mentioned earlier I think that may be good Because she won't be relying on that she won't be like oh i'm reading this person and I know absolutely She may rely more on logic and things that have happened and things that will happen

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_06] Right

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_02] um And so her going in knowing this I feel like puts her at an advantage I am making eva my winner pick

[01:47:41] [SPEAKER_07] Well now look at that So this is where I was very sad because I'm worried for abula But I kept coming back to stephanie. I just couldn't stop coming back to stephanie. It was like everyone was talking about stephanie And then I was like, I don't know about stephanie and Then I listened to her interviews and I

[01:48:07] I

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_07] Came back to stephanie and then I've also learned now I will say this I am not spoiled in any way shape or form But Stephanie happens to be Very good friends with someone I work with isn't that weird? Like I found this out after I was like, huh? Well, that's and again I've never spoken to stephanie The the person I work with hasn't been told a damn thing besides oh my god

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_07] My friend's gonna be on survivor and she thinks it's crazy because she's like I've worked with someone who is on survivor and now I'm friends with someone who's on survivor So she's just living her best life through the two of us, but so i'm going with stephanie I just and I I asked my magic eight ball if she was going to win and it said most definitely yes So okay, you know

[01:48:53] [SPEAKER_09] Can't argue with that there's no possible way you can argue with that

[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_07] So now I have to apologize because stephanie was like do not make me your winner pick and And then you did lewis just did so and we all know how I know I know

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_02] You just destroyed her you just destroyed her

[01:49:10] [SPEAKER_07] I destroyed her and I just made kevin win the game. So there you go. That's where we're at

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[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_07] Has been a non-stop force to be reckoned with on social media even In between survivor seasons because he is posting About basically everything under the sun because he has also Been podcasting about basically everything under the sun I feel so david bloomberg why don't you tell them about your link tree and where they can find you and all of these places

[01:51:24] [SPEAKER_02] Yes, you can go to link tree slash david bloomberg with a dot before the ee and the url Um, and that will you know get you to all the important links and locations Or you can find me directly on blue sky is at david bloomberg don't even bother on twitter or x Uh, the only reasons that i'm posting there right now are to tell people to come to blue sky So We need to get all the survivor all the survivor discussions moved over to

[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_02] You know away from the bad place So so come on over to blue sky Um, I have been also uh posting as you indicated uh At least three Often more uh, you know like four or five sometimes reality tv short videos each day on youtube tiktok and instagram where i'm at david bloomberg tv uh, right now they're a mix of

[01:52:21] [SPEAKER_02] Australian survivor including some you know i'm going to start mini why blank lost videos for that Uh, the traders us deal or no deal island, uh, the new show extracted where one a whole bunch of survivors apparently got paid to promote this um, but one player is out in the wilderness surviving and two family members are watching and trying to help from a base camp and Only they can pull them from the game I still have a few left over from beast games which ended

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_02] Uh occasional one from the joe schmo show Uh, plus plus I mentioned the podcast flashbacks uh coming to get us ready for the new season I hope to get those up and running Um, and of course I will start with survivor 48 videos as soon as the new episode airs Uh, I am getting i'm aiming for 50 000 subscribers on youtube soon So you're not there already uh come join us Um

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_02] Additionally, as you mentioned I have been co-hosting the trade our podcast That's t-r-a-i-d-a-r Uh for the traders us and you can find that wherever you get podcasts Uh, and it's now in video form on youtube as well

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[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_02] Season look at this. It's happening. That's right. That's right. Yes. Thank you, uh, jessica We will uh, see everyone In a week, uh, but thank you especially for you know doing the thing that you love most which are predictions so

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_07] And I apologize to everyone who is on this season For my predictions

[01:55:55] [SPEAKER_02] All right. Well, uh with that like I said, we will be back here next week And we will have david right And so everyone be prepared to say david you're right And well, you should say that every time anyway, but With that we will we will see you soon. Bye

[01:56:38] [SPEAKER_04] Bye