Why ___ Lost: Survivor 48 Ep 4 with Dr. Jeremy Faust

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[00:00:35] Jessica will turn it around They'll break down the rules and we'll show you how You played yourself and got voted out This is why blank lost This is why blank lost This is why blank lost

[00:01:03] Welcome back to Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg and joining me as always is of course my co-host Jessica Lewis, who has managed to curse not just one, but two winner picks. In four episodes Oh my god, you are You remembered. I was so afraid I'm like, did I actually say that Thomas was my other winner pick option? Yeah, you did You did Oh Thomas, I'm so sorry. I should have never said that out loud

[00:01:32] I've definitely cursed you Along with Stephanie I hope they are commiserating together and complaining about me because that would actually be kind of enjoyable And as video viewers can already see also joining us today is returning special guest Dr. Jeremy Faust who has been with us twice previously when he decides to move past those smaller appearances he makes like on CNN and NBC and stuff.

[00:02:00] And while you may recognize him from those types of shows where he discusses important medical matters, what has been happening to the country's health agencies, you can also often find him talking about survivor on social media and popping in here. Other than that, he is an ER doctor in Boston and an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School. So again, welcome back Jeremy. How have you been other than incredibly busy?

[00:02:27] Well, it's great to be back and thank you for having me. I am doing well things are busy I know you you asked. Hey, do you have time to do this? And my answer was no, but I'm gonna do it anyway I love doing that So, um, I definitely did take a personal day today to prepare for this so that I would come in prepared come in hot and

[00:02:49] and, um, things have been things have been good. Um, I'm sorry, Jessica about your winner pick it was sad to see your winner pick mathematically eliminated when Jeff said welcome to survivor 48 I will just but I will just say that my winner pick ain't doing so great. It's Cedric who I think should win the anti fishy for every episode that he's been featured in. I love this man. Oh my gosh.

[00:03:13] He's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely not. We didn't see much of Cedric this past episode though. So that's good news. No, but we heard about him a little bit, which we'll get to it. Yes, we did. Um, did you pick him because he's a fellow doctor? I did. I try to go for the doctors and my sort of other winner pick my sub winner pick would be Shaheen because he's very good friends with a friend of mine.

[00:03:40] Oh, that's really exciting. So I'll get to at some point connect with Shaheen and have not been able to do that yet. Did you know he was beard guy? If you don't want to reveal this, you don't have to, uh, two seasons ago. No, no, I did not know that. And he's been trying to convince our mutual friend to watch survivor for years. And so finally now he's doing it. That's going to very great lengths just to convince someone to watch survivor. Yeah.

[00:04:04] So it's incredible. Look at you and your, your strange little connections to survivor world through friends of yours. It's very, very intriguing. I must say. And speaking of which last time we heard from you, uh, about another connection to the survivor world in, uh, the fact that you have met Sia.

[00:04:27] Yeah. And so, you know, I know the people out there need to know, do we have a Sia update from last time you were here? Yeah. I think I've become the Sia whisperer. Um, that's all right. And Sia. Yeah. I, we've been in touch. She's doing very well. I will say I meant, I thought of this because the other day on one on Rob has a podcast on maybe know-it-alls or something. Rob said, Sia, come back and watch the show again or something. And the reality is she is watching. She's still watching. She's still into it.

[00:04:56] I know that she was, we talked a bunch during last season and she was really pulling for Kyle. She loved the whole family man thing of Kyle. I'm not sure if, I don't know how she felt at the end with some of his later stuff, but early on she was very much in the Kyle camp. Um, and this season, I know she's seen up until maybe this last episode, but we hadn't really had a chance to chat.

[00:05:18] But no, she's, she's doing great. She's got her baby. She's making music and, um, I hope to see her again. You know, she's such a lovely human being. Well, listen, if you are the Sia whisperer, you need to whisper to her things that they need to necessarily change about Survivor.

[00:05:37] If we're allowed to pick things for season 50, you know, maybe you can tell her and then she can tell the people that she knows and we can get the message to those who we need to get the message to. Yeah. I'm working on it. Okay, good. She can like do an appearance, you know, do a song about it.

[00:05:57] Like something. I mean, she's, she's definitely had a lot of influence over Survivor and we know that, I mean, Jeff has recognized her and the effect that she's had on so many of the players. It would be lovely if she could actually affect how the game is played. I mean, I'm just saying that would be great. Or, or, you know, uh, have her come on with you as a, as you know, a second guest.

[00:06:22] My, my, my, my real goal is like that if we do this again, that I get to do it from her house, you know, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Okay. I would die. If I come on, I think if I come on four times, there has to be the season of, I have to have my own idol, like the Y blank lost of the Island of the Idols because a four time repeater, that's their company.

[00:06:43] So I think we can make this happen. We, I, I might know a guy who could potentially hook you up with a couple more visits. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, uh, before we move on here, I do want to acknowledge what many of you told us and rightly so. Yeah. We messed up our predictions. Sorry. Uh, we forgot. I was wrong.

[00:07:08] Well, it wasn't you. It was all of us, all of us, uh, forgot that Bianca had lost her vote, even though we had talked about it earlier. Uh, now in my defense, it was a busy week. You know, I had a wedding and everything else going on in all of our defense. There's way too much to keep track of. Yes. But as it turned out, none of it mattered anyway. So, Hey, what's the difference? Right. So we forgot. Right. I mean, so we messed up. It happens. Yeah. Just like.

[00:07:36] We were actually testing you to see who would point that out to us. That's exactly. But Hey, predictions are just a side thing. We do. Our main focus is that each week we compare what the player who's voted out did in the game compared to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one.

[00:08:00] And have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews, social media, and secret scenes. The newest published version of the rules can be found by going to our dedicated page at Rob has website.com slash YX lost feed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules.

[00:08:20] However, before we address how Justin, how Justin, how, how Thomas did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode. See, this is what happens when I compress my week and you know, I'm discussing two people in the same week. Um, before the swap, we saw a bit of it, the aftermath of last week's tribal council, the Justin tribal council.

[00:08:50] I had said at the time that when Cedric implored say, and Mary to work together, it wasn't a great idea because doing so would mean they would work against him. Right. And they quickly realized that the next morning, as Sage told us, we were worried about what the boys were going to do, but now Cedric has to worry about what the girls are going to do.

[00:09:15] Yeah. Yeah. It just, it really, and then we talked about it a lot, but really that decision made no sense at the time. And then it was completely reaffirmed that belief that that was a bad decision. Once the girls came together and started chatting, which of course they're going to, because you asked them to, you implored them to, you said, please cut it. Well, they did. And yeah, that was not a good plan on Cedric's. I'm sorry. Jeremy isn't here.

[00:09:44] Winner pick. Oh my gosh. Hey, listen, I don't think I've ever had a winner pick, so I got no, I have no, it's not quite as uncanny as yours. I don't think I don't do them every year, but yeah, I, I, I'm not good at this. I will say, oh my goodness. When the club. Well, yeah. When, when he said, oh, we have trust. I was like, oh dude, no. And also he, they, she was mad when she misused an idol, let alone, let alone.

[00:10:14] Writing the name down. I was just like, oh man, you're scorching your own earth. My friend. Writing a name down twice. Twice. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't seem like the kind of person who's just going to kind of forget that. Well, she literally said in an earlier episode, I want, I pretend that I don't hold a grudge, but I hold a grudge. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he's not going to forget that anytime soon. Yeah. And with the swap being what it was. Hmm. Yes.

[00:10:43] Well, before I give you my thoughts on the swap, I do want to emphasize something else that I've been talking about since like episode one, episode two, that say does have a good social game. We kept hearing early on. No, she doesn't. She has no social game because Mary talked about how she could tell when say was looking at her with game eyes compared to real life eyes, which are quote quite soft and trusting.

[00:11:10] And Mary recognized how it felt for Cedric to turn on say, considering the relationship. Those two had reemphasizing what we said last week about it being an emotional decision on his part. Mm hmm. Yeah. Now, now, of course he was saved by the swap, but that might only be temporary. I, I really thought say would put aside his betrayal when they were in the swap tribe as the only two, you know, from Vula.

[00:11:37] But as soon as Bianca offered to work with the two of them, say was very honest about how Bianca would want to get a vibe check with him, which Bianca immediately knew there was a crack there. Mm hmm. Now, meanwhile, for her part, Bianca did a good job of pretending to be the swing vote while hiding the fact that she didn't have a vote to swing.

[00:12:01] And then, you know, say wants to work with her, especially since they believe Cedric is making his own arrangements. But it's not a great position, especially since Cedric's arrangements include, say, in an effort to target Bianca, knowing that she either has no vote or an extra vote. All very convoluted now at this point. Yeah.

[00:12:28] So now the funniest part of it all was, I think, Jeremy, you were referencing this earlier when when Cedric said, what say and I have is loyalty as the edit cuts immediately to say not being loyal to him at all with very good reason. Mm hmm.

[00:12:45] I do love to that in one of the conversations that Mary and say we're having, Mary even brought up the father aspect to say, which I just thought was so lovely that she was just kind of reminding her of that and just kind of planting that even further. Like, oh, but he was he's like a father to you. So I was really kind of surprised that he would do something like that. Just so it's just such great gameplay because it's so subtle. Yes.

[00:13:14] Oh, I just thought that was lovely. That was just so good. And I think that we've seen some people butt heads in the past. And I've always thought, wouldn't it be great if they actually did kind of work it out and become a power couple? Like, I can't think of a of whatever. Saul and Rome coming together and going all the way together. Right. Yeah. Really just could not work together. But these two, maybe their say has enough of a social game and Mary is flexible enough that this could work.

[00:13:44] Mm hmm. Yeah, it certainly could. Yeah. As long as I mean, as long as both of them make it to the merge, I think it will work. I I think these two could go far together. So now over at the other swap tribe that didn't have to worry about tribal council because I can't keep track of what their names are. So it's the other one. You know, it was a battle of people offering up players from their original tribe for sacrifice.

[00:14:12] You know, Eva offered star on a platter to everyone. As soon as star walked away from the rest of them. She even told them everything. And then later, David did the same thing, you know, offering up charity after she told the others about how the two of them were so solid. And now, mind you, to her solid meant she would tell him what to do and he'd do it.

[00:14:41] Quote, he's Mr. Loyal. You just have to tell him that at the last minute he's not very strategic, but he's a great shield. She said now she might believe it. But David told Eva that charity played way too hard and nobody on her original tribe trusted her. But she had no idea about this. So, again, another person just offered up on a platter. If these if this tribe goes to tribal council, it won't be a fight to see who's protected. It'll be a fight to see who they can push out.

[00:15:10] Yeah, I do think it's amazing, too, how quickly people are becoming comfortable with each other. Right. It's there. I think like I thought say's response to Mary was interesting where she's like, well, I think you should probably like feel him out a little bit. Which I was like, oh, is that like pushing her away? Saying I don't really want to. Or to Bianca, right?

[00:15:32] You know, that it was like maybe you should check in with Cedric, which was like a complete opposite of what we saw so many others doing where they literally were like, oh, do you want all the tea right now? The minute we sit down before we even say hi, this is who I am and this is what I do. It's let me tell you everything about the tribe. It's like this is a game where knowledge is power. So sometimes you might want to just hold a little bit back. You can share some.

[00:15:58] But unless you're pulling off what Camilla pulled off, like maybe just not say so much. Right. Yeah. And I thought that the way Bianca handled that was so great because rather than saying, where's the crack and people get all defensive, she said, yeah, I'd love to work with you. And then what she got was, well, I'm not sure you want to work with Cedric. And she's like crack discovered. Yeah, right.

[00:16:21] It was a really nice way to ask where's the crack because people get very defensive when people sense that that's what's being fished for. Right. This was really slick on Bianca's part. It definitely was. Yeah. Which is not what we saw happen with the new Vula. The new Vula did not do that. They were very much like, so what's the deal with you two? Like, are you guys working together? Like, you know, like, are you close?

[00:16:51] It was it was immediate. Like, we're going to ask you very pointed questions and expect you to give us very pointed answers, which they did. They did great. Yeah. Yeah. So besides what we've already talked about, do either of you have anything else or anyone else that you want to discuss before we get to the rules? I always find it fascinating how swaps work out. Right. Like it's it's always quite incredible to me.

[00:17:20] The just all of the permutations that are possible. And then to see what happened in this particular swap, you're suddenly like, wow, this is fantastic for certain people. And then it's not. And so it's like it's just always incredible to just watch how those things end up happening. It's because it's very random. And then to have certain people end up together the way that they did.

[00:17:48] I was quite I was quite surprised in this particular episode with this swap, with the with the groups that end up staying together. The people that were already close and working together ended up staying together. Actually, this is related to what I wanted to say, which is that that productions influence on the game is outsized in a moment like this because you have two tribes that essentially played perfectly. They have six members left.

[00:18:15] So we actually have a swap here where one of those tribes is now in the minority, having done everything right. They went on their journeys. They got they won the thing at the journey. They won their competitions. They lost nobody. And now just by luck of the draw by five, five and five, they're in the minority. And on top of that, if you'd added in the other way, which was, oh, people didn't have their votes or whatnot. This can really impact the game.

[00:18:42] And what I think trying to convince like Jeff and production to change this is that it is it fun, right? That's the whole Mike White thing. Like, is it fun? And what I think is not what I think is not fun is that these little manipulations are as valuable as winning challenges. And they should really realize that challenges are a big deal. It's the teamwork. It's it's it's having good shelter. So you slept. It's hunting, getting food or whatever fish.

[00:19:10] And so they're actually devaluing all the things that make survivor survivor by having these swaps happen when they do with all these advantages. Yes. But the one counter I would have, is it fun to see the same tribe lose over and over again and dwindle down to nothing? You know, especially when, you know, you talk. I mean, production put the initial tribes together. It wasn't just perfect play on the other two tribes.

[00:19:38] It was you, you know, I believe Stephanie posted something from her her notes from her Ponderosa pregame Ponderosa notes from the day of the marooning. So their first time they're all dressed in their colors. So she knows who is going to be on her tribe and the other tribes.

[00:20:02] And she posted to social media her notes, which basically said, I will be surprised if we win a single challenge. We are completely outmatched. Interesting. Oh, wow. Oh, that's fascinating. I have a question about Ponderosa pregame, Jessica, which is I know people talk about like you can't talk to each other. But how much do you see each other? How many days are you out there?

[00:20:24] I think we were out there for probably four days and you see each other every day and you are. So once you once you actually get to when we got to Fiji, so we had to obviously travel to Fiji. They keep you separated on the plane. So you're not allowed to sit close to anyone on the plane. And they actually screwed up, which was so lovely for me going to Fiji because they had they initially had me sitting right next to someone. And they had to move that person.

[00:20:54] So I had an extra empty seat, which was super nice. So I was able to sleep much better. It's a very long flight. But then once you get out there, you are and I'm assuming they still do the same thing. You sleep in tent city like you each get a tent. So you have your own place to sleep. But you are eating together. You are hanging out together 24-7, literally like in what look I would equate it to a cafeteria. There's tables.

[00:21:23] There's so you might have to share a table with someone like I sat across from Ken for an entire day and never spoke to him because you're not allowed to talk. So we're literally sitting at the same table like he's drawing pictures and I'm doing whatever and reading and no conversations. And that's it is very weird. But people are smiling and people are making eye contact. Right. But yeah. Are we good?

[00:21:51] If you get busted, they will say something to you. Like if you are actually talking to each other, it's so they do stay on you and they make sure that you are not communicating with each other. And so it is it is a very, very weird place to be because it's just so quiet. And but then sometimes you can use the I would like to call them keepers to like pass information because you talk to that person who you're allowed to talk to and hopes that.

[00:22:19] And I will I've said this before and I know where I'm going off on a tangent, but this actually was one beautiful moment that did happen. Jeff came to visit us all and was talking to us at Ponderosa going over some game mechanic things and whatnot. And we were very excited when he came in on a helicopter. We were like, oh, my gosh, this is incredible. And here comes Jeff. And then he like hung out there for the day. And I was in the pool with like a few other people were at the pool as well.

[00:22:49] And Jeff, for whatever reason, came over and started talking to me. And I was like, this is awesome. So I'm like talking to Jeff. And then all of a sudden he goes, I'm not supposed to be doing this. And then he walked away. So even he was like violating the rules. So I was like, so it is it is a very interesting atmosphere for sure. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. The other thing I wanted to just mention just in terms of like this episode is that it is it is fun.

[00:23:17] Despite what I said about the swaps being a little unfair. It is fun to see an idol played correctly. And that is that is really exciting and fun. And how they got there, I think, is is going to be how we're going to talk to the rules and everything. But it was super fun just just just to see that play out. It was great survivor. So I'm having a good time. I'm having a good time. All right. I appreciate your takeaway, Jeremy. I don't have a but like this one over here does about what you said. So I appreciate the takeaway.

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[00:24:22] All right. Well, there were of course other things going on. I'll be putting some of it on YouTube shorts as at David Bloomberg. But before we get to how Thomas did, we want to mention that the rules we're about to discuss are available in a shorter and much more colorful version as a poster. Go to robhazwebsite.com slash YXLossFeed. Scroll down to the poster, click on it and order it. And then our shipping department will get right on it. That's right.

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[00:25:22] Well, Thomas was a fun player who had a lot of game left in him. He thought he'd put himself into such a good position that he didn't need to risk it by revealing and playing his vote steal advantage. He thought the odds were with him, both because Kyle and Camilla were unlikely to have anything or work together, and also because he had two big threats ahead of him in his alliance. Why didn't things work out that way?

[00:25:48] What happened to make him the number one target for Emmy Award winning actors, Kyle and Camilla? At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know why Thomas lost. Now, the first and most important rule is to scheme and plot, and Thomas definitely knew that. He said early on that he could bond with pretty much anyone, and then proved it by forming the

[00:26:13] California Girls alliance with Shaheen and Joe, along with having a separate true number one and Bianca, plus a decent relationship with Eva. He eventually even had something going with Star, though she had waited a long time to talk game with him, so she was definitely at the bottom of the tribe by then. Still, he could have worked with her if his original tribe had gone, had lost the challenge,

[00:26:37] and he decided to keep her around rather than Eva, or if he ended up on a swap tribe with her, because she didn't realize what he was really thinking at the time, as evidenced by some of her social media posts when she saw them talking about her on TV. The point, though, is that he was working with literally everyone on his original tribe, and probably would never have been a target there.

[00:27:06] Indeed, he didn't think he'd be a target anywhere. As he told Mike Bloom something I know you'll appreciate, Jessica, as evidenced by the shirt that you're wearing today, he said, I'm an old-school, hardcore alliance. Let's go to the effing end together kind of player. And I worked really hard to have the California girls feel like very much a safe alliance for me. I love that approach so much.

[00:27:34] And I will say that loyalty is something that has dwindled in the world of Survivor, so I can appreciate the old-school mentality with that. And I do think that he was in such a great place with the alliance he had formed. I can understand his hesitancy to want to mess that up, because that's the new era of Survivor, right? Where it's like you can have this alliance,

[00:28:02] and suddenly it can be tossed out the next day, and it doesn't matter. Whereas I feel in old-school alliance days, it was like you could have an alliance, there might be an issue, but you can still come back together because you realize, my goodness, we have to keep working together despite some issue that might have happened. So I really love that he was trying to just bring that back to life and make that part of his game.

[00:28:25] And he really was doing a great job in forming the bonds that were necessary to get to that point. Like, I could actually see that happening. I was, as he was saying that, I was thinking, yeah, I could certainly see that. I 100% could see that because he really was. I love that he described himself as like the mailman. Everyone was coming to him with information. And it was certainly to his benefit, because he was the one that everyone felt comfortable with.

[00:28:53] And so I do think that he could have gotten himself there, but for what ended up happening here, which is unfortunate. Yeah, I think that he definitely schemed and plotted. First of all, I give him very much. I give him kudos. He named the California Girls Alliance. So that was very Nick Wilson of him to name it. He was the one who came up with that. And I don't know that anybody wants to be told that there was very Nick Wilson. Well, but I mean, just in terms of that gameplay naming things,

[00:29:23] that's, I think that's fair. That's a piece of survivor strategy that I think is worth thinking about. And then, and look, scheming and plotting means being a good liar. I thought the way he rolled with that moment about being outed about the journey was very smooth. I was like, wow, that guy's a good liar. He said, well, why is Mitch telling the truth? I mean, it may not have, I mean, Shaheen didn't completely buy it. We'll find out later. But it was just, he was quick on the draw. I was impressed.

[00:29:54] One thing that was interesting to me, though, is that we think about him being voted out. And we think about the fact that it was his three versus their two in this vote. Part of the job of surviving is if it's going to be your three, it not be you. And I'm kind of wondering why we think it is. He was the one who said, I do not want to play with Camilla. We should vote for her. If he got in his way, the idol would have been misplayed.

[00:30:24] So Camilla did a great job. And I think I give all the credit to the two of them, Kyle and Camilla. But in actuality, he wanted Camilla. They wanted Kyle. And he didn't get his way. So I don't know. There's something about his game that we'll come to later where he didn't have the ability to move his troops. Yeah. And I mean, I don't think we can just say if he had gotten his way, it would have been a certain way, because I think then you have a butterfly effect.

[00:30:52] Like, do the others like do they open Kyle's bag and go through it in front of Camilla? If it turns out that they had agreed Camilla was going to be the target. Like, does their behavior towards her change in a way that Kyle and Camilla realize, oh, it's going to be Camilla, not Kyle? Right. Right. I had a question about that moment, which is going through the bag in front of Camilla. That's a terrible idea. Is that a violation of one of these rules?

[00:31:21] And I don't know which one it is, because it feels like it's giving her information that, oh, look, you're with us. We're going for Kyle. That's part of them putting together who to use the idol on. And so what rule are they violating here by going through the bag in front of her? I mean, I would say it is probably the seventh rule because it deals with idols and the like. It could also be a violation of the second rule for scheming and plotting too much and failing to keep your scheming secret. Right.

[00:31:49] Well, and Thomas did point out the fact that we shouldn't have been doing that in front of Camilla, but that. He was the one who did it. He was the one who handed it. He started it. I watched this. I watched this. It was Shaheen's idea. And then he handed the bag. Shaheen initiated it. And he was like, ooh, write a passage. Here you go. You do it. Yeah. But all he had to do at that moment was say, no, we don't do that. And it would have been over. And I agree. He encouraged. He encouraged the action. Well, of course.

[00:32:17] Because he wanted to be a little villainous, right? Yeah, exactly. But I do think that there is something else to think about as well. And this is just part of game mechanics. So maybe rule seven fits in here a little bit more. The walks that you hear everybody talk about. When I was on a walk. These are the only times that you know someone is not going to be in your space and suddenly be in your space. Because they've gone on a walk. So I guarantee when that happens.

[00:32:46] On a walk means a confessional. Yes. You are with production. You are taken farther away so people can't hear what you're saying. And those are the moments that can be very detrimental to people's games because things happen when you're gone. And conversations are had and bags are gone through. And so if you pay attention, and I've said this and I will continue to say it for as long as Survivor is playing.

[00:33:10] If you are out there, pay attention to who is being taken on walks and in what order and in what sequence. And who's the last one they talk to? There's a method to their madness. And that's why these walks can certainly affect gameplay. Because we've seen people say, I got voted out because I was the last one. And plans were changed. And suddenly I was not involved anymore because I wasn't present.

[00:33:35] So I would imagine that that's why they felt comfortable doing it in that moment was because Kyle was on a walk. That's my guess. Is there only one walk at a time? Normally, yes. Because they have very limited, like they'll have one kind of crew with each tribe. And so there's usually a camera person. There's a sound person. There is the person who actually does the interview. Interview.

[00:34:04] But then they'll have an extra producer that's kind of there on the kind of keeping track of everything and everybody. So when you go on a walk, that person is staying and keeping track of everybody. So, yeah. So I think that it's really going to be limited to just one at a time until the merge comes. And then all hell could break loose because then all of those teams are working together with everyone who's at the merge. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:30] Now, to round out more of rule one here, I do want to mention, you know, Thomas, he had what would appear to be a dream swap tribe. Jeremy, you are referencing this earlier because his whole California girls alliance was together randomly, immediately forming a majority. But. They were outsmarted and outschemed by Camilla and Kyle.

[00:34:58] We'll go over the exact details of all that when we get to rule seven. But Camilla and Kyle should definitely be in the running for an Emmy after those performances. And, you know, while obviously they had to use an idol to get the vote flipped against Thomas. It wasn't just a trinket that won the day. It wasn't like magic that poof, it automatically happened. They had to work together first to get the idol originally, if we remember back to that.

[00:35:26] And then they had again to work together to pretend to not be working together and convince the California girls so they could use the idol in the best way possible. Because, yeah, they don't violate rules two and seven with Camilla. Right. If the if they don't believe that the two are in opposition to one another. And and this shows how players play the game.

[00:35:55] Yes, an idol was used, but it wasn't all about the trinkets. And that is why I say Thomas, the schemer. Was outschemed in this department. What I think is so incredible about what Camilla and Kyle did is. And I thought that this should have been a bit of a red flag, but it wasn't. And Tom Thomas had said, if I was there when this when act one occurred, I think I would have seen it a little bit differently.

[00:36:24] But Camilla literally threw Kyle under the bus while Kyle was like sitting right there. Right. Like it wasn't like she was trying to be like, oh, just so you know, like we're we're not working together. I want you to know, like, I'll I'll join you all. So I don't know if that made it more believable because she was like, no, I'm really not with this guy, even though he's sitting right there. And I'll tell you to is like in front of him, I'll say it. But I just thought that was really quite fascinating that she like chose that moment.

[00:36:50] And Kyle's response to it was not like, oh, snap, what's happening? He was like, oh, I see what she's doing and went along with it and played along with it. So really thinking on his feet in that moment, as was she. But I just thought it was fascinating that that was the choice that I'm going to do this in front of him. And then he responded in kind. It was it was really quite incredible that it worked out the way that it did, because it could have come off very badly. And it didn't.

[00:37:21] Yeah. And I mean, I think part of it is they asked in front of everyone except for Thomas. Now, I know Thomas said, oh, if I were there, I would have caught on to it. You know, but. There's no way of knowing that hindsight is 20, 20, and he's only seeing what he sees on the TV now, not what happened in, you know, actually in person. And so maybe he would have caught on to it. Maybe not.

[00:37:50] It's impossible to say. Sure. So. So, yeah. But we can move on to the second rule, which says not to scheme a plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. Now, as I just mentioned, Thomas was indeed a schemer and he was a good one, both on the show and for us to have fun watching. But he did overdo it and make it a bit obvious sometimes.

[00:38:19] The most the clearest example of this was when he told Shaheen that maybe stars beware advantage clue just disappears. And Shaheen told us it was a level of gameplay that now scares me a little bit about Thomas. That is way too hard to gameplay. Now, Thomas said in his interviews that Shaheen wasn't really bothered by this in the grand scheme of things.

[00:38:46] At the time, I thought it was foreshadowing that Shaheen would eventually turn on Thomas. Now, knowing what happened, I think it was just an easy way for Survivor production to show the audience. Hey, look at the scene. It shows this guy is gaming really, really hard. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really have much to say about it. And I think I will. Here's the thing. I think Thomas was I think Thomas was great.

[00:39:13] And I do think that Thomas tried to take things in a different direction. And I think by stirring the pot was was one of the things he was hoping to do. And maybe at times he was stirring the pot too much and causing, you know, too many people to respond as we saw Shaheen respond in that way.

[00:39:33] But I mean, I think overall it was it was he was attempting to do things in the game that were certainly to his benefit, but could have rubbed people the wrong way and and hurt him in the end for sure. Yeah. I mean, the fact that he was seen as a schemer, I think, did play a role in terms of him being chosen. Kyle and Camilla were debating who to target.

[00:40:01] And Kyle said Shaheen is the sneakiest. But Thomas was almost as sneaky. Now, personally, I would say that he was way sneakier. You might say he's sneaky, sneaky. So, yeah, you know, that definitely played a role. A role in them choosing him as their target once the idol was played. I think it was more about the journey. Yeah, I have a lot to say about this and it has to do with the journey.

[00:40:31] OK, well, we can get to that. But it isn't it isn't it is part of scheming because it's about this thing that I said before, which is that I don't think you should lie about things you don't have to lie about. And I know that we have yet another lawyer saying that he's not a lawyer because you're not allowed to be a lawyer on Survivor. But apparently you can be a colorectal surgeon. That's OK. So I don't know what that means. But but lying. It's really hard.

[00:40:55] You know, they saw Josh try to make excuses for what what he had he had done during that whole time of med school and everything else and fail at it so miserably. So now doctors are afraid to lie. I think it's just like you have Jessica can tell us you're out there. You're hungry. It's hard to keep track of everything. The less lying you have to do, the better. And so I think that lying about he made some tiny lie about some aspect of his job, I think. But the bigger one here was lying about what happened on the journey.

[00:41:25] And we've talked a lot about you should keep your idols a secret if you if you can. But journeys are different. And this is a kind of a meta point that I wanted to make today. And that is that journeys are always going to be fact checked because at some point there's going to be a swap or in this wonderful thing with Star and Camilla at the at the challenge. And you're this is F.A.F.O. Are we allowed to say that? You know, F around and F around and find out that's going to happen in journeys from from from this day forward.

[00:41:52] And so I think that not telling people in your alliance the truth can hurt. And it did hear because what happened was he told them something that wasn't true. Camilla brought that to them later. And it may not have necessarily caused them to turn on their own boy. But what it did was it made them say, oh, Camilla is someone who's at least trying to work with us. Like we kind of think she's interesting.

[00:42:15] I think that his lying about the journey butterflied towards the other two wanting to vote for Kyle and Kyle and Camilla picking that up. So I actually think that lying about the advantage and also not using it was actually a really big part of why he didn't make it out of this tribal.

[00:42:36] I think that that's probably a huge part of it, because the journey was mentioned, that that was one of the things that they were looking at, that he was the one who went on the journey and that she was sharing information about that with Shaheen and with Joe.

[00:42:51] But then also the the other part of the not sharing that information put Thomas in a difficult spot because he didn't then want to have his girls find out, you know, that that he had been lying to them. And so it put him in a very, very difficult point because he all of a sudden Camilla is saying these things and he's like, well, you know, Mitch is lying. But he's like, but I don't want them to know that I was lying to them.

[00:43:18] And he could have avoided all of that if he had just said, hey, now I am a proponent of keeping secrets 100 percent. But I do think that this is one of those types of secrets you can't necessarily keep because three people know about it. And so, you know, that at some point the truth is going to come out. It's not like finding an idol on your own and you keep that a secret. If you find an advantage on your own, you keep that a secret. But what happens on a journey to other people now? And so, yes, you can fact check it.

[00:43:45] So I completely agree that in that particular instance, as much as I appreciate him wanting to keep a secret, he knows that it's going to be fact checked because he talked about Bianca, who had everything that told him everything about her journey. So, yes, I think that that is is a very significant point here as well. Kyle said, actually, I have a little quote here. When you think about the advantages in the game, let's take stock. Thomas went on a journey. So in my mind, either he's got no vote or some kind of advantage. The reason they chose Thomas was the journey.

[00:44:15] And then to your point, what you just said, then he can't actually take advantage of this incredibly powerful steal a vote in this situation because he feels that by doing that, he will jeopardize his alliance. Well, easy, easy answer. Don't violate rule two. Don't over scheme and plot. Tell the truth to your alliance members. I mean, that's easy to say in 2020 hindsight.

[00:44:39] So to defend Thomas a little bit, I do understand the reasons he gave for not wanting to reveal his advantage because he was thinking of his long term game. And yes, it is easy to say he should have told those two sooner because they were his tight allies. But basically half of his original tribe was one of his tight allies. So it would have been like telling everyone but Eva and Star. And then if she if he told Joe, Joe would have told Eva.

[00:45:08] So it would have been telling everyone but Star. And we always lament people giving away information just last week. Sure. Just last week, I mentioned how Rob said I know it all. Don't tell your ally if you have something good, but do tell them if it's something bad. So I get why he didn't say anything at the time. But you are absolutely right.

[00:45:35] He should have known his lie could come back to bite him when other people from other tribes compared notes. And, you know, I know he hasn't met Mitch. But seriously, whose word are we going to take? Mr. Sneaky Schemy or Mitch, the most honest guy out there, the nicest guy out there, potentially maybe competing with Joe on that one. So, yeah, like a little preview. I'll talk about this later.

[00:46:05] But I think that maybe to thread this needle, he should have maybe you're right, like not told them until the swap at the swap. Like, hey, hey, you know what? Now that we're here, here's what we're going to do. We're going to end this war today today because I've got this extra thing. And I'll say when we get to rule seven, a little bit of why that's true. But I think that, yeah, maybe maybe at the swap, it's like, OK, now that now that we're away from those others. Here we go. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[00:46:30] And that's exactly what I was going to say, too, is especially after his story was compromised, which is something that Rob and Stephen discussed. You know, once Joe and Shaheen told him what Camilla had said, he could have easily said, well, you know, I was trying to keep it a secret when we were on that other tribe. But now that it's just us. Yeah. Now we can talk about it. Right.

[00:46:57] You know, and plus he knew Camilla could have had an advantage because she had been on a journey. And of course, there's always the possibility of a shot in the dark, which a vote steal takes away. So, yes, there were many reasons for him to do it now. Yeah. And I think if anything, if doing it now, if you are worried about long term game, if you don't get there, there is no long term game.

[00:47:25] So it is a matter of like, I need to fix this while I still can and try to save face with the people I've been playing this game with. And are they going to show me more loyalty than the two new people who have just joined us? And if he can use it as an opportunity to remind them, Camilla went on a journey, too. So she's probably got something. So that's something we have to think about. And so you can shine the light on her a little bit instead of it necessarily just being on you and then being accusatory. Like, oh, well, you know, we're being told you lied about this.

[00:47:54] So if he it's like nip it in the bud before it even becomes a problem, you the swap happens, you're back together. And that's when you just have to say, hey, this just this is where we're at and this is what's happening. And then we deal with it later. Like we can keep we can fix this. We can hopefully mend it. Because, yes, I do think that that was a huge part of why Thomas ended up becoming the focal point of this. Yeah. All right. Well, the third rule tells players to be flexible.

[00:48:22] Jeremy, how do you think Thomas did in this rule? First of all, Thomas said you have to be ready for any curveball that comes your way. He certainly talked the talk. He said you can't be complacent because that was literally the last thing that was said before. Just said drop your buffs. So he certainly knew that. And I think that he exhibited some signs of following this rule pretty well. And then there's just one where I don't think he did. The one right the way that I thought that he was flexible, first of all, was multiple alliances. He has a number one in Bianca.

[00:48:52] And we almost forget that fact because of how solid that other alliances. So he had multiple paths. I thought that it was interesting that he said he wanted he thought he would play with women. But the cards dealt a different deck and he made the California Girls Alliance. So he just named them girls, even though they were a bunch of burly dudes. And so that showed flexibility.

[00:49:14] And I thought the way he handled the whole star idol thing showed a lot of nuance and flexibility. Star revealed that she had this thing. And Thomas is like, great. Awesome. Let's use it. And he actually even floats the idea of using the extra to using that idol to end a face off that could be star and him, you know. Right. Against the others.

[00:49:43] I thought that was I'm like, I'm not sure he would do that. But it showed that he was really thinking more than just old school. Like, I know one thing and that's my alliance and that's all I'm going to do. I'm a big believer of when I play the game someday, hopefully. I don't know that that I will be a reliable alliance partner at this phase of the game. But I also think that it shows flexibility. The one place where I again, I think that flexibility would have been good was he decided I'm not going to tell anyone about this advantage.

[00:50:11] And I think that, again, if he had kind of shook himself out of that complacency, that decision that we call it in medicine, the pre diagnostic early diagnostic closure deciding too soon. And you shouldn't keep an open mind. You know, it could be something else. And then I think he might have ended up surviving. Yeah, I mean, we talked in the first rule about how he would have been able to work with anyone else on his original tribe.

[00:50:37] And when he was asked in interviews how a vote would have gone if they'd lost, he couldn't even answer for sure because he had different options in place depending on how things might have gone at that moment. They might have voted out Star. They might have voted out Eva. It just depended. And the thing was, he had the ability to do either because of his flexibility. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:59] And I do love that he was locked into this idea of loyalty, but he was also willing to make that loyalty a little bit more. I can go this way with it or I can go that way with it. But it still felt like it was loyalty. So I love that he was able to find that balance and give himself so many options. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them.

[00:51:28] Jessica, what do you think of Thomas for this one? I think he was great in this particular rule. I mean, if anyone, he was playing with other people's emotions, which I always find to be really quite entertaining. But yeah, he was always very, I don't want to necessarily matter of fact in his thinking, but it was very game oriented.

[00:51:50] It was, he would look at the circumstances and what decision do I need to make relative to my long-term game as opposed to just how I'm feeling in this particular moment. So I think he did a great job in finding that balance and not letting his emotions control him, but really making it about what was best for his game. Whether it be loyalty to this person, loyalty to that person, doing something sneaky over here to this person. But it was always about the game.

[00:52:17] It was never about anything but his desire to make it further in the game. Yeah, I agree. I definitely don't think he made decisions based on emotion. He wouldn't have if they had voted in the original tribe and he didn't this time when it came down to it. He was in game mode. I have a question about this or maybe it's an answer. I don't know.

[00:52:42] He said that he would wait until tribal to decide whether to use a steal a vote. And he said, if something freaky deaky is happening, I might use my steal a vote. And I don't know if that is violating this rule of emotions. Like is reading tribal council being emotional? Because that's like reading people's, like reading the moment. I actually think that you should not ever wait until tribal council to decide what to do. Because tribal council is a performance.

[00:53:10] It's not a tribal council. And you shouldn't read the room. You should know your plan. Because again, these are pros. They're going to go there and they're going to put a performance on so that everything goes the way the plan should be. So I think that by waiting until tribal, that was almost kind of it's ironically, it's either a scheming and plotting related thing or it's an emotional thing. But I didn't like that. That's how he said he was going to decide. Yeah, I would say he had pretty much decided not to not to.

[00:53:40] And so something really freaky would have had to happen. Like, you know, Joe standing up and saying, I'm siding with Kyle and Camilla, you know, or something like that. And I think that's also the same, you know, to the rest of what you said, when it comes to idols. You can go in with a plan not to play your idol unless something weird happens. And then sometimes people slip and weird things do happen. Or someone plays an idol or an advantage and realize I better do mine too. That makes sense.

[00:54:10] Right, right. That I think that's, if he meant that, then that's fine. The other thing is, I will come back to this later. And maybe I'm just nitpicking. But in his final confessional, he said, I was scared to be myself. And that's in a way an emotional distance. He let something he was afraid of about himself get in the way of an ultimately tight, close bond with these alliance members. And I think that that led to lies, which led to targeting.

[00:54:37] So I think there's something about Thomas that he's not 100% comfortable in his skin. Kind of gave me shades of baby Andy, you know, like not quite knowing who he is, but saying he does. And I really like Thomas. I think that he probably does know who he is. But there was something about this environment. Like he waited, by the way, on the mat. Like he waited to tell his story. He's like, I'm going to just wait until everyone says who they are before I say what I am.

[00:55:06] And that's really smart. But I also think there was a little bit of a guard on Thomas. Like he didn't let everyone in. And again, I think that now like seven, you know, butterfly effect is part of why he got voted out. Yeah. All right. Well, the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And even as schemey as Thomas was, I do think and even, you know, holding back, like you said, I do think he came across as friendly.

[00:55:33] He seemed to have good relationships with everyone on a social level. I think he's the type of guy who would be a lot of fun to have out there, you know, in Fiji passing the hours. However, I do wonder if compared to Shaheen, this was one reason, one part of a reason that he was targeted because he told Mike Bloom that Shaheen is like a puppy dog. And you love him, even if you know you can't trust him.

[00:56:04] Yeah, I think that Thomas is the kind of person that I've said this since we first met Thomas. I want to hang out with him. I want to spend time with him. I want to gossip and do all of the things with Thomas because I think he just has that thing about him that makes you want to talk with him. And this is why I feel like Jeremy, I don't know if he was necessarily holding back.

[00:56:28] I think Thomas understands that he is that kind of person, that he has a personality that is that is vibrant and and can be noticed and kind of stands out a bit. And so he wants to suck in the information from everybody else and then use that to his advantage. Right. And so, I mean, he's I don't think he's the he's someone who was like, I want to go on Survivor and and. Be in the in the in the trees and survive.

[00:56:57] No, he wants to go and like play the social aspect of this game, I think, more so than than most people do. And it's something that I think he's just really good at. And he actually said that his like biggest superpower and his kryptonite is that he really does love people. And he has a tendency to make people feel like we are closer than we actually are. And so this is like this is where his strong suit really comes in.

[00:57:22] Right. Is forming these relationships and these bonds, making people feel like they matter, which is why he was the mail carrier. Right. Everyone's coming to him with mess with all of the information. And so I do really think that he's he was able to find that component of himself to not let his him not let that part of him take over, but instead use it to play the game better.

[00:57:45] So I just I think he I think he was he's probably one of those people that everybody wanted to play this game with at some point when they met him, when they were at Ponderosa with him, when they were just watching, when they were actually meeting him. He just seems to have this thing about him that really I do think is a superpower. And unfortunately, also probably one of the reasons why he was being targeted, too. I would just add to that that I think. Yeah, I look, I've drawn to him, too.

[00:58:13] He seems like somebody I'd be work buddies with. I don't know if he's in he's in music, but, you know, just like a person who you could like shoot the breeze with and sort of like roll your eyes at the world. That there's something there's something about him that that makes me feel like he'd be someone just fun to like just talk to and hang with. And as you said, I think there's another side of him, too, though, which he did a really good job in this rule of pretending to be nice. There is a cutthroat side of him. There is the side of him that says, oh, let's hide stars. I don't clue.

[00:58:43] Oh, you know, I think he'll cut a person. I think, you know, I think he's got a nasty streak. And he actually did a really good job of subverting that. Like if you're in the dominant alliance, three versus two, you can there have been prior survivor players who've been like, sorry, but we're in the majority. You're in the minority. Beg to me like I think he has evil genius a little bit in him. And but he completely downplayed it. He was like, oh, no, I didn't know. And he actually said, like, we didn't come here to break each other's dreams.

[00:59:13] We came here to play, but we did not come here to kill each other's dreams. Yeah, at tribal. And also like other little things where like he's like, oh, my gosh, like this bracelet that Eva gave to Joe, like, oh, but he didn't let on. He totally pretended to be nice. He was just not nice. So I kind of felt like he he has a little bit of an edge there that he that was going to really like serve him later in the game. And then he did a really good job of keeping out under wraps. Yeah.

[00:59:43] Yeah. He he pretty much just to pull this up. If you look at the picture for rule five, it is Boston Rob talking crap to the camera, but not to other people. Yeah. And that's the perfect representation of what Thomas did. You know, he gave his evil laugh, you know, and and, you know, talked about the bracelet and all those other things. Who the camera where it belongs. Mm hmm.

[01:00:13] Yeah. I love him. So the sixth rule warns against being too much of a threat. And. Thomas. Thought he had this ground covered within the California Girls Alliance. He had set himself up as in his world words to Dalton Ross, the smallest target of the three of us. And he added, this is my perfect alliance. You're going to go after big threat, Joe, or huge personality threat, Shaheen.

[01:00:43] But he also. Excuse me, acknowledge that he underestimated himself and the threat he posed. And I would agree with that. We've talked about him being seen as a schemer. And that clearly played into the decision to target him. Someone who could lie the way he did about the journey and clearly fool his own closest allies was a person to be reckoned with.

[01:01:12] Mm hmm. Yeah. And I think his biggest like threat component came from the fact that he had so many options to write like like you've already talked about Jeremy, how he he was like, I could I can go this way or I can go that way as far as who my alliance partners necessarily could be. And I think that in and of itself can make somebody that much more threatening because they're not just hanging with you. They're hanging with this person over here, too. And they're hanging with that person.

[01:01:41] And everyone wants to get to the end with their little perfect match of people. And if he has the most matches, then he's more likely to be sitting there in the end. So I do think that he was someone that was definitely going to be noticed as a threat in that way as well. Kyle said that another reason why he was a big threat was this almost as as sneaky as Shaheen. But the journey was a big thing.

[01:02:11] And I think when you go on a journey and then you swap tribes, you have to know my rule, which is the players are professionals. They know you went on a journey. And so you are of the three of them, the person with the most likelihood of having something dangerous that needs to be dealt with. And so I think Thomas should have known that his threat level was really perceived as high because of the journey. And Camilla was all over it. Right.

[01:02:38] And he knew that she was all over that, which is what will lead into what I hope will not be too long of a diatribe when we get to the next rule about why he needed to play his advantage at this tribal. But I think that going on a journey is a kind of a threat level and you need to either mitigate it or address or or use it at your to your strength. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So let's go ahead and go to the seventh rule, which covers idols and advantages and game mechanics.

[01:03:07] And Jeremy, I know you have some thoughts about the various possibilities here. Now, I do want to mention because I don't think we mentioned this while we were recording that although it wasn't shown on TV, a couple of people like Dalton Ross and Tyson did some digging and found out that Kyle did indeed use the extra vote. I don't know why they didn't show it at the end during Thomas's final words, you know, normally show all the votes.

[01:03:35] They didn't show Kyle holding up two votes. I don't understand why. But Dalton said when he dug into it, he found out it will all be explained next week. But like I said, I don't understand why you don't just show it and let the explanation speak for itself. But so do we even know who he voted for in the extra vote? It must have been for Thomas because otherwise the vote would have been shown. Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. So.

[01:04:05] So anyway, with that in mind, Jeremy, take it away. OK, so rule seven is idols, trinkets, right? Yes. And I'm going to zoom out here and just say that the real thing that's happening here in this season right now is a brewing war between Loggi and Siva. Those are the two six person tribes going into this. And we sense that that is what's going to be the clash of the Titans.

[01:04:34] And I think that the misread is that that clash really comes to fruition at the merge when, in fact, it was here. And they needed to know that if anything, if Kyle and Camilla had anything, which they likely did because at least of one journey, this was the moment to end the war. And they could end it definitively with one move. And that is a steal a vote.

[01:05:03] If Thomas uses the steal a vote, it functions as an idol nullifier in this condition. And that is because he takes a vote away. Now there's four on the other side. They can go two on two, three on one. Either way, the most number of votes that can go the other direction is one. And they've won the war. It's over. And so I think this idea of waiting to have the war once you're on the pre-merge or mergatory is the huge mistake.

[01:05:28] And when you have an advantage in a five person tribe, you've got to use it because you know the two are coming for you, especially when they know that you might have been lying. So I really feel like him not playing this was a massive, massive mistake because it would end the war. Or at least they'd have a six, five advantage as opposed to the other way around.

[01:05:52] There's a couple of various conditions we can talk about, whether like if they play the extra vote, what happens here and there. But it doesn't matter because with a steal a vote on three on two, it's literally over. Well, OK, I don't think it quite is. But before we get to that, yeah, without him playing it, it's easier for Kyle and Camilla to lock themselves into a win in this tribal council. They either do what they did here.

[01:06:21] You know, they pile all on, they get it right. Or if they end up being wrong about who the California girls target is, it ends up tying three to three. Exactly. And if neither Joe nor Shaheen are willing to flip, it would leave them in a tiebreaker because both Camilla and Kyle would be safe. One because of the idol, one because they're the target in the tie. So it would be a rock draw between the other two California girls. Lose lose for them there.

[01:06:53] If he had played the votes deal. Things become more complicated. Because Kyle and Camilla have to think on their feet and without much food and without much sleep. If Thomas plays the steal on one of them, this happens before voting. So if he decides to go after Camilla, Kyle holds on to the idol and the extra vote. So he's safe and he has two votes.

[01:07:20] If they use the votes deal on Kyle, he then passes the idol and extra vote to Camilla. Now, I would not think that the California girls would play the steal unless they were planning to split the votes two-two. So that would mean at the end of voting, each side is tied at two. And we go back to the situation that we had earlier.

[01:07:44] Because two would go on someone who had the idol, two would go on the other person, and two would go on Thomas. But if, let's say, they did vote steal on Kyle and he had to pass those things along, they could realize what's happening. There's no time in tribal council to try and make it sneaky. You're like, he's not going to go up and give Camilla a hug and stuff it in her pocket or something like that. Like, which hand is it in?

[01:08:13] Ooh, I don't know. Yeah. In this case, it would have been both hands. And so they might then realize what was happening and change things up so that Kyle and Camilla could not guarantee a win. So, like, they might have split the vote 3-1 instead of 2-2 because, you know, they didn't know about the extra vote, which would also screw up the situation for Kyle and Camilla if they did the 3-1 on the right person.

[01:08:39] And so it would all depend on people thinking through everything on the fly, which we know can be hampered through lack of food and sleep. Here we are. We're recording this two days after seeing it. I'm still not convinced that someone isn't going to write on social media and say, hey, David, you forgot this, or that one of you two are going to point it out now. You know, there was discussion on various social media, on various podcasts.

[01:09:08] Well, if we did this, then this. If we did this, then this. And I haven't had time to listen to all of the podcasts. And I know some of them go through every possibility. But this was what, you know, I wrote down a day after it happened on full food and sleep. So I have I have a theory, though. And maybe maybe I'm completely wrong about this. And I've been please tell me, universe, if I am.

[01:09:37] But I do not think they will. I know they will. But I do not think that he would. If you do the steal a vote, I don't think that Kyle at that moment is allowed to pass that extra vote back to Camilla. I don't think he can. I think the only thing that he could do is play. I don't know if he could pass anything to her at that point. OK, I'm very I'm not going to wait for the universe to tell you. I'm going to tell you. Yes, they can.

[01:10:03] You can have things in I mean, because they haven't gotten up to vote yet. So you can pass things in tribal council whenever you want until it's time to vote. At that point. Then it becomes too late. I just I feel like this the steal a vote thing is that's just it's fascinating because I I don't know. I to me that again, this is too many advantages and there's too many things try to keep keep track.

[01:10:33] But at the end, like if I'm sorry, sorry, go ahead. At the end, if if he plays this deal of vote, they have four votes on their side. If that that means that Kyle and Camilla either have one vote or two votes left. Either way, it's four against one or four against two. It's pretty much over as far as I could tell. So, you know, to me, that's the big thing here is that they thought because they were three to two, they didn't have to burn an advantage.

[01:10:57] Like, no, a one person margin is a perfect place to use it because you're not going to have you might have another advantage place, but you'll know about most of them. And and it's not going to be like at the merge. We could have advantage again. Armageddon. Yeah. But for two isn't over, because that's what I was saying. If you split it, it becomes two to two to two. And if one of those twos has an idol, then it becomes two to two.

[01:11:26] Oh, no, it's close. I think we can math it out. But anyway, I think I think there's leftover votes and they still lose. You'll OK, hold on. This is what I was saying. See, this was exactly what I was saying that I didn't. Yeah, because it doesn't cancel two votes the second time through. Right. It cancels two votes the first time. But then the steal a vote carries over. So whoever on so Thomas would have gotten two votes.

[01:11:55] Well, no, I'm sorry. What I remember seeing online, I think that Stephen had said the steal a vote belongs to. Whoever it originally belonged to in terms of whether it could be played. So let's say he stole it from Kyle and then Kyle was one of the people in the tie. So let's say that Camilla used the idol and Kyle was one of the people in the tie. Kyle loses his vote at that point.

[01:12:25] And therefore, there is no vote to be stolen. But then it's still three to one. So I think it does still work. I think you're right. Wait, wait, I'm right. I was right. You are. I think he is right. I because because he the I've just wanted I've waited for David to say I was right. I don't I don't care if I am at this point. You're right. I don't care if I'm not right. I like that David thinks I'm right. Let's stop right now. Yeah, we'll just stop right now. I do.

[01:12:54] Because this is what I mean. I mean, this is. Yes. And this is my David. Too much tequila. I'm just telling you the wedding. Oh, wait. It won't be. It won't be three because someone because Thomas will also lose his vote. Because he'll be one of the tide people. So it'll be well, but it'll still be two to one. All right. We need Shannon. We need Christian. Yeah, we got to move on. But I will say this. I want to quote Thomas as saying, I don't know what's going to happen with idols and advantages and all those things.

[01:13:24] So I want to be safe. And I think that Camilla and Kyle are going to try to stick together. Oh, good read. And put two votes on me. Good read. So do I bring a vote into it and try to save my own? But then he says the downside to doing that is that I haven't told my alliance members about my advantage. If I'm going to do it, it's because I'm feeling something freaky deaky is going on. I have to rip it out and save myself. He admits that the reason he doesn't do this is because of the lie he told earlier. And I'm like, oh, that's not good.

[01:13:54] Yeah. And so, you know, earlier we talked about Thomas being out schemed by Camilla and Kyle. But here it could be argued that he out schemed himself. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, if he had knowledge of everything that was going on, certainly he would have played it. He was playing the odds without fully taking into account what those odds might be. You know, one of the two could have an idol. I you know, he mentioned in one interview that the chance was one in six. But he was only talking about Kyle.

[01:14:24] There were two of them that brought it up to one in three, which are pretty significant odds. Plus, as we've discussed, he knew Camilla had gone on a journey, so she might have had something as well. And of course, there is the one in six chance of a shot in the dark, even without any of that. And I mean, yeah, he didn't know he would be the target. But he did know that Camilla tried to poison the others against him by bringing up his lie about the journey.

[01:14:52] So that should have been a bit of a hint. And yeah, he was there when Shaheen searched Kyle's bag. But he also said in interviews that he knew if it were him, he wouldn't have hit it in the bag anyway. You know, he didn't have his steal vote in the bag. And by doing it in front of Camilla, they basically gave away that they would be targeting Kyle. We discussed that earlier. Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot going on here.

[01:15:21] But I do think in the end, unless there's a scenario I'm missing, which is possible at this point, you use the steal a vote correctly. And I think it eliminates just about all the possibilities, if not all the possibilities. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Jeremy, you knocked this one out of the park. I'm glad because I took a day off from doing actual work to think about this.

[01:15:51] And if I'm and if I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, it was it was still fun. Yes. Yes. And it is it is fascinating just because this is why the advantages make me insane, because there are so many permutations and so many things that we spend time doing this and we and you said we still could be wrong. Like and so, yes, to be in that situation where you're sitting there hungry, tired, can't think straight. And you're you're just all of these concerns you have going through your head.

[01:16:21] I don't want my alliance to be mad at me and all of these other things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it makes it very, very difficult. It's really, really hard to figure out in that moment. Trust me, I've been there. It's not fun. But but you did say, Jeremy, he very clearly had it all kind of mapped out in his head before he went into tribal. So he wasn't it wasn't all of a sudden this was a shock and oh, gosh, I have to think on my feet. He had figured it out before he got there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:16:50] Now, as a side note to all this, there was one other instance of, you know, idols, advantages, et cetera. And that is how he dealt with stars. Beware advantage. He said in interviews that he and others had figured out the code to unlock her idol. So but while people like Shaheen were saying, oh, OK, we can do that. He pushed back against actually doing it because they hadn't decided if they wanted to vote her out. You know, so why would they give their target an idol?

[01:17:18] As far as we know, they kept it closed as of the swap. I did not go back over every interview. I did notice as I was kind of summarizing the quotes that I had had taken out. He in those quotes, he doesn't actually say. We kept it locked. He said, I advocated. I pushed back against the idea of.

[01:17:42] So would it surprise me if we get a flashback later of someone telling her the code, whether beforehand or even they show up at the swap and Jeff says, drop your buffs, maybe Shaheen leans over and says, the code is this, you know, and and, you know, just as it's happening.

[01:18:07] Well, I love Gordon Holmes suggestion of unlocking it, taking the idol out and filling it with something else and then relocking it. That would be really, that'd be really sneaky. But I kind of enjoy that idea. It could stick Eva's bracelet in there. Could you imagine? Although, but I don't, here's my question though.

[01:18:33] And it sounded like Thomas said a few different, not variations of this, but added some information to more interviews than others where I don't know if they actually knew what word it was, but they had come up with all of the potential words it could be. And so I don't know if they actually did unlock it, but I think they knew that it would be like maybe one of these, whatever, however, four words, five, whatever it could have been, I guess. Yeah.

[01:19:01] But I do think that that would have been a fascinating thing if they like, what would happen in that, in that instance, if they did unlock it and take it out and then give it back. Like what, what? I don't know. I, I'm very curious, very curious. I don't know either. All right. Well, we can go to appendix a, which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak and the strong and the weak and the strong.

[01:19:28] Now, Camilla and Kyle were definitely targeting the strongest threat from their point of view. Who was the person that could cause them the most trouble if he stuck around? Oh, that would be Thomas in their opinions. We've already mentioned earlier that the two of them did a good job of out scheming him. Camilla made up the lie that she was on the bottom. Kyle followed suit. It was such good acting that Shaheen was completely fooled.

[01:19:56] And, you know, just again, I know Thomas said in his interviews that he wasn't around. And if he had been based on what he saw on TV, he would have picked up on it. It's easy to say now when there's no way to judge it, but you know, he wasn't there. All we know is that it worked. Yeah, it definitely did. Very clearly worked. They did a great job keeping their end goals in mind and unfortunately messing up Thomas's.

[01:20:24] Yeah, I mean, I think that's what I was saying before about keeping end goals in mind is to think of this as the real way to win the war against the other six person tribe. And I think this is like where you pull out all the stops. Like, remember that in David versus Goliath when the Davids like use all their advantages all at once to turn the tables and then it worked. That was the moment to do it. And this is the moment. But it's harder because, oh, we're in the majority. We don't need to do that.

[01:20:51] But you had to realize like she had gone on a journey so she could have something. And like you said, one in three chance. That's not good on an idol if it's there. Right. Right. And shots in the dark. Right. This was the moment. Yeah. Yeah. Now, one other thing Camilla tried that didn't work so well was talking about Thomas lying to his tribe by using the information she got from Star on the sit-out benches. Now, none of that probably mattered in the end.

[01:21:20] Although, Jeremy, I think you had mentioned earlier that her bringing it up might have made Joe and Shaheen a little bit more willing to work with her because she appeared willing to work with them. I think it was a good gameplay attempt on her part. But if they could have flipped one of the other two, they wouldn't have needed the idol and the extra vote. You know, they don't know in that immediate moment that those three are literally a named alliance all coming over together. I mean, what are the odds of that?

[01:21:51] You know, and plus it gives us additional insight as to why they wanted to go after Thomas instead of one of the other two, as we discussed earlier. I think this is going to have an interesting effect on Star as well. When they do finally, if they all come together at the merge and you have Joe and Shaheen saying, well, gee, Star, thanks for throwing Thomas under the bus and telling Camilla all of this information.

[01:22:19] So I think that that's something that might come back later as well. I mean, we'll just tell them, too. Yeah, I mean, Star didn't throw anyone under the bus. She just, you know, Star was like, hey, what happened over there? You know, and and she was like, oh, Thomas said Thomas said he had the option and didn't play. Right. You know, but still sharing information with the what at that point in time is enemy. Right. Yeah.

[01:22:49] Now, there is also the issue of who the California girls targeted. And that is Kyle and why they chose him. Joe told Camilla that they have the muscle. It doesn't do any good to have a bunch of jocks and lose at the end. And, you know, clearly they did try to make use of Camilla in the puzzle part. They failed because they they were like, oh, this is moving heavy pieces around. We can stick Camilla here and she can guide us.

[01:23:17] And, you know, the muscle guys can move the pieces. Not realizing she didn't have a 360 degree view. She could only see the front. And where did they mess up? In the back. The part that she absolutely could not see. Right. And so. So, yeah, they did value her, I think, for puzzles. And, you know, Shaheen made the points that Camilla was at the bottom of her alliance, which we knew she wasn't. So they could pull her in, which we know they couldn't.

[01:23:47] So, you know, there were good reasons for them to target Kyle. David, I was looking at my handy handy poster here. Oh, wow. Look at that. And I'm wondering what what rule does being good at games, puzzles and challenges fall under? It depends. Well, when you say being good, it doesn't really fall under anything except in Appendix A in terms of like when someone is choosing to vote.

[01:24:17] You out or not because you're good or because you're not. Because otherwise, that's not really it's not a strategic rule. It's just you either are or you aren't. Yeah. Like, you know, are someone out there because memorize all the stuff or at this point, if I was going to go out there, you know, I'm going to like try to practice some motion, some get over motion or something. Or I'm going to get my beanbags and toss them through tires, you know. Right. Or I'm going to become a teacher like Mitch so that I can be really good at these silly things. Yes.

[01:24:48] Yes. Yes. One of my the the father of the groom gift that my son gave me was a 3D printed survivor puzzle that I have not tackled yet. So I need. Are you serious? Yes. Oh, that's great. I love that. Yes. He has a 3D printing, you know, a little side business. He doesn't print the survivor puzzle. I know he does the dragons and he does dragons. He has little, you know, this this is just a little. Oh, you can play with that.

[01:25:19] You got other little doohickeys you can play with. Oh, that's so fun. You know, like you mentioned, here's the here's the little dragon that he's. I love the dragons. They're so cute. So, yes. Maybe he can 3D print me a rock. I'm sure he could. He 3D printed a lot of his a lot of the gifts, like my other son, one of the co-best men got a 3D printed Wrigley Field.

[01:25:48] Oh, that's so. Yeah. What a great little thing. That's great. Love that. All right. Well, on that note, it is about time to wrap things up. So, Jeremy, what are your final thoughts on Justin? Not Justin. Did I say Justin again? You did say Justin. See, this is what happens when you compress it again. What are your final thoughts on Thomas? No, I just want to go back and say, what are your final thoughts on Thomas? Okay. So, I think I like Thomas a lot.

[01:26:18] He played a great game overall. I think, given the circumstances, we're nitpicking, but these are tough situations. I think that he did play a pretty solid game and he had a lot of win equity that I think in a few other slightly different scenarios, he could have gone very deep into this game and had a good chance to win it. However, there are two reasons that I think Thomas lost. One proximate and one sort of big picture fundamental one.

[01:26:47] The proximate one is mainly this violation of rule seven, which is dealing with idols and advantages. And knowing in a 3-2 scenario, he should have known that Camilla probably had an advantage and there very well might have been an idol, a high enough percentage of an idol, that they should pull out all the stops at this vote to end the Loggi-Seva war that was coming. And the way to win that war was not at the merge or mergatory.

[01:27:17] It was now. And looking beyond the 3-2 advantage, he should have said, nope, we have to absolutely slam dunk this thing. We have to spike the football and use the steal of vote, taking control, not just of this green tribe, but the whole game. So that's the proximate one. But I think the big picture one, maybe, and this could have hurt him down the road with his own alliance, was this idea that he said in the final confessional,

[01:27:46] I was scared to be myself. And I think that a part of that is a fear of being too vulnerable, too honest with an alliance that you're building trust with. So therefore, he got caught in a lie by Camilla. That lie led Camilla to have inroads with the California Girls Alliance, which meant that they targeted Kyle.

[01:28:10] And Kyle and Camilla saw that happening, and so that they knew who should have the idol and who it should be played on. So scheming and plotting too much by not being open, by that vulnerability of being so honest with your own alliance, is what led to a correct idol play, meaning that Thomas got idled out. So in summary, Thomas said he was scared to be himself, which is another way of saying he doubted himself.

[01:28:36] And you never want to be a doubting Thomas, especially a survivor. And that is why Thomas lost. Oh, my goodness. Oh, Thomas, a doubting Thomas. I'm so very sorry to hear this about you. But I would like to point out that at the very beginning, before Thomas even went out there, he was asked about advantages.

[01:29:03] And his response was, I feel personally like advantages are incredible if you can keep them to yourself. I feel like new era chaos comes from thinking to tell one person about it. I'm old school, hence the T-shirt. I'm like idle in my underwear. We're never speaking about it. Also, I'm not leaving it in my bag. My plan is to just kind of hopefully try and figure out where they are and weaponize that information.

[01:29:30] Or maybe if I come across one, lead someone to it so I know they have it. And then I can use that against them down the road. I don't want to be where advantage. OK, I don't want it. I want to know who has it. And I want to tell everyone else that they have it. Watch me find one tomorrow. So I thought that was fascinating. It was fascinating because it all really kind of happened, right? I mean, he almost planned out his own demise in this one answer.

[01:29:58] And I was stunned because, you know what, Thomas, what you needed to do was take that advantage out of your underwear and use it just as Jeremy just said. You needed to. You had to. Because in this particular moment, it was the one trick that you had, the one weapon you had that you could have used to try to save yourself in a situation that you had completely read perfectly well. You knew they were coming for you. You knew the votes were going to be on you.

[01:30:25] And you knew that they probably had something because Camilla had also gone on the journey. So I can appreciate Thomas for his desire to want to be old school and keep this information to himself 100%. But in this situation, Jeremy, you said it fantastically correct. He needed to get ahead of this and then save face later with the people that he played this game with if he needed to. You have to fix it while you still can because now you can't. You're out of the game, unfortunately.

[01:30:53] And Camilla is still there and Kyle is still there. And they're there because you weren't able to stop their great gameplay that they were using against you. Thomas was so enjoyable. Such a great person to watch. He had, I do believe, all of the tricks that he needed to get very far in this game. He was sociable. He was likable, villainous. I love that he wanted to be that villain, wanted to do all of those sneaky things, but

[01:31:22] he wanted to do it in order to further his own game. And I love that he was thinking game. And I just wish that he could have been able to play more of the game and set aside this idea of loyalty for just one minute. Play New Era for just a minute. I know some of us don't love New Era as much as old school, but unfortunately you're in the new era and you got to face it and you got to deal with it and play with it. So Thomas, I definitely want to hang out with you at some point, please, because I think it would be so much fun to do so.

[01:31:49] Loved watching you, loved hearing all of your interviews both before and now, even though it was too soon. So yeah, note to self, take it out of your underwear and play it when you have to. So that's my thoughts on Thomas. All right. Well, I feel like we only got a small taste of what Thomas could have brought to Survivor. But in those few episodes, he showed us what might have been. Thomas was a schemer at heart, but he was out-schemed.

[01:32:16] Earlier, we discussed that he may have out-schemed himself as well, but I still turn it around and give credit to Camilla and Kyle. Yes, he had the ability to steal a vote. And if he had played it right, he potentially could have used it to save himself. Yes, he was overly focused on not letting his allies know that he'd lied to them, such that it ended up impacting their ability to play around the possibility that Kyle or Camilla had something.

[01:32:45] But it seemed unlikely that one of them had an idol or would hit a shot in the dark and target him, especially since they had done such a good job of convincing that Kyle and Camilla had done such a good job of convincing the California girls that they weren't working together. So you have that debate over the overall assessment of his situation based on the information he knew or believed he knew at the time.

[01:33:11] While an idol obviously played a major role, the rest of the end of Thomas's game came through gameplay. Kyle and Camilla were outnumbered, but figured out a way around it. They worked the other three to determine who they were aiming at, and they figured out who their own best target was. Thomas was sneaky and went on a journey, and they didn't know if he had an advantage, but they did know he lied to his own allies about it. He thought he would be the last California girl to be targeted when it came to threat levels.

[01:33:41] But as he said, he underestimated himself. Kyle and Camilla, however, saw who the real threat was among the group when it came to gameplay. And that is why Thomas lost. So sad. So sad that you cursed another person. Yes. I'm so sorry, Thomas. So sorry. So before we get to our predictions for next episode, I want to let everyone know that

[01:34:09] next week you won't be saying I'm pissed because Liz Wilcox is returning as our guest once again. Now, in addition to that, we want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available in poster form, poster on a t-shirt form, or checklist on a t-shirt form. That's right.

[01:34:32] So again, go to robhaswebsite.com slash YXLostFeed for any of those and all of those things. All of those. All of those things. Also, wanted to see that right. So, Jeremy, I, of course, mentioned a lot earlier in my introduction of you about where you can be found at any given time.

[01:35:00] How can people reach you or see what you have to say? Well, I write a lot about medicine and public health on Substack called Inside Medicine. And it's free, but there's also a paid version if you want to get more access. And I would love to see people there. I always try to respond to comments and ideas. On the socials, I am at Jeremy Samuel Faust on Instagram and threads. I'm on Blue Sky.

[01:35:28] I don't know how to say what my thing on Blue Sky is, but I'm the Jeremy Faust that David Bloomberg follows on Blue Sky. And I'm still on the other X thing. But that's pretty much it. Okay. I love that. I suppose I can tell you where you can find me, too, right? Are we doing that now, too? Yes. Yes. So I'm at Jessica Lewis 89 on both Blue Sky and that X thing that's still out there.

[01:35:55] And I'm also the one that follows Jeremy Faust on Blue Sky. So if you're looking to confirm who he is, and then also on Instagram, I am at Jessica Lewis 6789. My social media, though, is lacking in comparison to David Bloomberg, who is the social media guru. I'm adding words together here. So, so much so that he has a link tree that he will definitely share with you so you can see all of the places to follow all things David Bloomberg.

[01:36:25] Yes, you can find all of that at link tree slash David Bloomberg. There's a dot before the E in the URL there. You can find me directly on Blue Sky as at David Bloomberg. And, you know, as far as tech space, that is definitely the place to find me. So come on over there if you're not already. I as well post lots of videos, typically three or four.

[01:36:53] Obviously, this past week has been a little slower, but the reality TV short videos you can find on YouTube, TikTok and Instagram where I'm at David Bloomberg TV right now. They are, of course, a mix of U.S. Survivor, Australian Survivor, including many Y Blank Lost videos, Deal or No Deal Island and Extracted. Sometimes I'll find a good one for Amazing Race as well, but I can't say that I have that regularly. So.

[01:37:22] With all of that said, it is time for predictions. Dun, dun, dun. Next episodes preview. Yeah. Jeremy's trying to hide. He's disappeared off the screen. So is Jessica. Okay. It's all on you, David Bloomberg. Next episodes preview showed Camilla and Kyle talking about how they are set and can run the

[01:37:51] game, which immediately made me say, oh, especially since we know they don't have the extra vote anymore. When I initially saw the preview, I was like, oh, that's because they have the extra vote still and therefore it's three to two. So they're good. But no, they don't. So I don't know how they think in a two to tribe. They are running the game. I have no idea why they would say that unless it's a quote from maybe one of them gets back

[01:38:21] out there and find something else again. That's a possibility. The other thing we get from the preview is that say is causing chaos, which I know will shock everyone. Now, on her tribe with her teaming up with Bianca and Cedric teaming up with Mitch and Cressy to target Bianca. It will be very interesting to see how things split if they end up going to tribal council.

[01:38:50] But I feel like there was enough focus on that tribe in the preview that it means they don't go to tribal council. And so we don't have to worry about any of that. Which means that I'm going to suggest something that sounds crazy, that there's a challenge that David's tribe loses. In which case, we will get a battle of people offering up their original tribe mates on a

[01:39:19] platter, like I discussed earlier. I'm going to say, OK, you know, then it'll be whose offer is taken. Will they go after Star or Charity or someone else entirely? I think when the others hear about Star maybe having an idol or a beware advantage that hasn't turned into an idol yet. That will back them away from her. I think they'll be afraid of that.

[01:39:49] And I think, therefore, Charity will be the one who gets taken out. So I have a question. We are down to now 14, right? Sure. Yes. And so we expect there to be a merge at normally. Is it 13? Is that the number that we're normally? I don't know. I wait to see the preview of Jeff saying drop your buffs.

[01:40:17] I think there's no merge this time or pre-mergatory, I don't think. Oh, sure. There's always a mergatory. I'm saying this next episode feels like. Oh, no, no, this episode. Yeah. No, no. I'm just trying to. I'm just working out the idea of like a David going home. And I only say that because I feel like he would be the one that they would be like, he's the merge boot because he's going to. Right. Just, you know, run the show against Joe and in all of the challenges to come.

[01:40:45] So that's why I was asking like where we were at. Because, you know, I'm terrible at this, David. So I have to try to work through all of the potential wrong answers. Right. I have to get there somehow. I have some wrong answers if you want me to go first. Oh, I love your wrong answers, Jeremy. Let's go. Let me tell you what's not going to happen by telling you my predictions. Love it. Thankfully, in my job, I'm better than this.

[01:41:15] Thank God, because you're like, you know, I don't know, a really important person in your job. So let's hope you really do that. I'm an ER doctor. We always say like, we just can't be wrong. We don't have to be right, but we can't be wrong. I mean, it's somewhat important. Yes. So I was just looking through the who's on whose tribe now. And because I really can't remember it.

[01:41:35] And as I'm looking at the new shuffle, the purple tribe is Charity, David, Eva, Mary, and Star. I have a hard time seeing them lose. But then again, the green tribe was hard to see them lose. I don't know. I think the preview to read the preview tea leaves, as David did, is to say maybe it's not.

[01:42:01] The fact that Say is sort of making chaos is not the end of that story. It's just part of the story. So I'm going to say that the orange tribe, which is the Siva tribe, which is Say, Mitch, Chrissy, Cedric, and Bianca, they will go to tribal. And Say will be working to throw Cedric under the bus, thinking that that's the best way to save herself. But the others will see what had happened.

[01:42:30] And they'll see that the previous other six-person tribe took a hit. And so now there's one original tribe with six left. That's original Siva. And so the Siva, the people who are on that tribe, are on the tribe that I said will go to tribal, which is actually still Siva, would be Chrissy and Mitch.

[01:42:58] And Say will say, we'll try to work with them to get Cedric. But I actually think that they're going to think, well, wait a minute. The old greens, who cares? They're three. It's the old oranges we got to get rid of. Right? Right? And so what they'll do is they'll get rid of Bianca. I'm sorry, the old purples. They'll get they will get rid of Bianca. I think. No, no, no. I'm wrong because she was with. No, no.

[01:43:26] It's I was thinking that they're going to try to gang up on whoever is the remaining sick, which sick. Yeah, that would have to be Mitch or Chrissy. I have no idea what's going to happen. I'll just say it'll be Cedric. My winner pick. See, I'm going to take everything that you just said, Jeremy, because I think you were like you were so spot on. But then I'm going to go. I lost a thread. Yeah. Yeah. At the very end, Mitch. Because they are.

[01:43:56] Yes. And I'm going to say Mitch because they are going to be focusing on the old Siva people because of the numbers. Right. And we've all talked about how much we love Mitch. Now, Mitch has he has an extra vote, right? He does. Yes, he does have an extra vote, but that doesn't it won't necessarily. So let's see if we look at the breakdown, because that would be if Chrissy and Mitch are voting together.

[01:44:22] If we imagine even without that, I don't see how I don't see Chrissy turning on Mitch and I don't see Cedric turning on Mitch after the connect, the emotional connection that they made. Oh, that's a very fair point. So I shouldn't talk about it. I should let you make it. No, you know. No, talk me out of it because Bianca doesn't have a vote either. So that's that would literally be say against all of them. Oh, oh, see, now you just made me change my mind because I feel like that's interesting.

[01:44:53] Yeah, let's go say why not? OK. Just say, say, say. Just say, say. Yes. All right. Well, with that said, hopefully we didn't forget someone, you know, not having a vote or extra votes or something like that. But it's too much. Yes. I mean, at least we cleared out three things in one tribal council here. So. So. As we wrap up, I want to encourage people to check out the R.H.A.P.

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[01:46:13] And I would like to thank everyone at R.H.A.P., including Scott, Jess and Doug, for all of the incredible work that you do, not just on the work for Y Blank Loss, but all of the incredible content that you did here. David Bloomberg just referenced. There are so many things for you to listen to. So many various shows that are highlighted and talked about. It's just an incredible amount of content. So you should definitely do all things R.H.A.P.

[01:46:38] And you will learn all things on we know survivor if you are a huge survivor lover. But then reality TV, there's so many options. So please go there. And then also thank you, Will from America, for the music that you created for the audio version of Y Blank Loss. It's lovely and catchy and it's a great little tune. So thank you for that. And Jeremy, thank you so much for joining us again. I always love it when you do. You are very incredibly great at this, too. I know you are an ER doctor and all that extra stuff. And that's a big deal.

[01:47:08] But this is great, too. You killed it. Your insight is amazing. I am impressed that you took an entire day off to just prepare for this. So thank you for that. But it's always a joy to have you. And I promise you, we're going to work on getting you an award for the next time you come on. Because I have a sneaking suspicion you'll come back. I really do. Thank you. Yeah. Saying you killed it to an ER doctor is probably not necessarily a good thing under normal circumstances.

[01:47:35] Hey, just for his podcast abilities, okay? Podcast abilities. Very, very nice. I will just say again to everyone watching, it is so hard what these people do. I literally took time off today to do this. I needed it. And also, just to thank you, David and Jessica, for doing what you do and RHAP for making all this stuff happen. I wake up every day stressed about the universe. And I listen to these podcasts. And I know it's a bunch of nonsense.

[01:48:01] But it is actually so therapeutic and helpful to me to have something fun and also intellectually stimulating because of all the things, whether it's social or the math of it all. And so what you all do in this fandom is really keeping me sane, which is why even though things are crazy right now, the answer is always going to be, yes, David. Yes, Jessica. A thousand times yes. I'll come on and pretend I know a third of what you know. So thank you all. And I would love to do it again. All right. All right.

[01:48:31] All right. Well, yes. Thank you so much. Let me add to what Jessica said. Thank you very much, Jeremy, for coming back again, taking a day off. That is dedication. So and thank you, of course, Jessica, you know, for always being here. And, you know, we will see everyone in a week and you can find us on social media before then. So bye. Bye. Bye.

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