Why ___ Lost: Survivor 48 Ep 10 with Chappell

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[00:01:00] If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You played yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank Lost. And this is why Blank Lost. Oh, baby, this is why Blank Lost.

[00:01:33] Welcome back to Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg, or as star would call me, Uncle D.B. Back with me this week is my co-host, Aunt JL. I mean, Jessica. I am back, and I'm so sorry to have missed you all last week, but I am truly grateful to have Lindsay step in, and she did a great job going through all of the particulars with David. The other David, not this David.

[00:01:58] So thank you for that, but I'm glad to be back, and we have another fantastic guest. Yes, as video viewers can already see, we are excited to have a special guest star to discuss star, Chappelle. Hey, thank you so much. This is my first time here. I'm very excited. I'm nervous as well because I got to get these rules right. And I think this is a great episode to talk about because I have a lot of questions about why X lost this time, you know?

[00:02:27] And I think that, yeah, I think we got to talk some stuff through. So thank you all for having me. This is going to be so much fun. And you are a star, Chappelle. We were talking about that earlier. You are absolutely fantastic in all the work that you do. So it's really great to thrust you into our world, and we'll see how this all shakes out. I'm very excited. I'm happy to be here. You know, I talk about Survivor with Rob on Club Condo, but it's not really a strategy podcast. And so this is going to be like the first time I got to do that. You know?

[00:02:56] Normally, we're just being goofy over there on Mondays. And so, yeah, this will be very fun for me and a little different side of Chappelle this time. All right. Well, we're looking forward to it. Now, Chappelle, did you know that in this episode, we got to see Jessica's favorite challenge? Oh, was this your challenge, huh? This is what you like? No, I hate it. With impassioned. This, you know. Oh, really? Oh, no, David! You can do it, David.

[00:03:25] My head is purple and orange. You almost did it, David. This is me. My whole boob is almost hanging out. I can't do it on my socks, for God's sakes. It's terrible. Okay. That was the... I was literally drowning in the sand. It was horrifying. I thought I was going to die. It was sand up my nose, in my mouth. Obviously, I didn't realize my top was falling down. Thank goodness for blurring. All just terrible. Bad. Bad.

[00:03:52] And I will say, they have since made an adjustment to that challenge because we were bound so tight around our waist. You could not use your hands. The way that Jeff was, like, telling them, oh, you got to use your hands. That's what you got to do. You couldn't do that. When this was the first time that Jeff decided to tie people up. And he... As far as you know. He enjoyed it. Oh, okay. For purposes of survivor, I would say. And he thoroughly enjoyed himself. Yeah.

[00:04:22] So, not great. I still have scars from those damn things. Like, both on my shins and on my wrists. That's crazy. Yeah. And mental scars. Or, which... Very much so. Very much so. Yeah. So, thanks for bringing up the bad memories. Sure. Absolutely. You don't want to... This whole episode was just all kinds of things Jeff really loves, right? Yeah. We're talking about rocks now, right? You got to wear a Rockstar shirt on? I see you. I know.

[00:04:48] I thought this was very appropriate considering all of the discussions being had surrounding rocks. And we're talking about Star. So, my shirt says it all as far as this episode. Yes. I did want to mention that in the sand snake or whatever you want to call the challenge, I guess after Andy last season used his mouth to carry the ball, they were just like, hey, let's make all of them use their mouths in this challenge to carry stuff. You know? So... Yeah. Camilla was hysterical during that whole challenge.

[00:05:18] She was very, very enjoyable. I love her because she's clearly just calling everything out for like, really? Seriously? Yeah. Yes. It looks miserable. I just would not want to do this challenge at all. It is. I just would... If I'd opt out for whatever, like, hey, I'll take a picture. You know? Like, whatever. Like, you know? I don't know. This is a... To me, it just doesn't seem pleasant. It doesn't seem like something I'd be good at either. And so, I just would be dreading something like this. Yeah. It's... And you know what's terrible about the challenges, I will say, is you don't know what you will

[00:05:47] be good at and what you won't be good at? And looking at the challenge, I'm like, oh, this shouldn't be too bad. Like, I'm pretty strong. Like, I should... And then, no. I was dying. And it's... And like, other challenges that I thought I was going to be really bad at, I did really great at. So, it's like, you just never know what you're actually going to be good at. So, now I know. I'm bad being bound and crawling through sand. So, I know this about myself. Good to know. But... Great. What we are good at is talking about why a specific player lost.

[00:06:16] And so, we will be doing that, of course, again. We will compare Star's Game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. Using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes. And, of course, the newest published version of the rules can be found at robhazwebsite.com slash yxlostfeed. Indeed.

[00:06:42] But, before we address how Star did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss. And I want to start by taking apparently a very controversial position. I am surprised, though perhaps I shouldn't be, that so many Survivor viewers are jumping on various players and saying, they're not doing anything. They're just sitting there waiting to get picked off.

[00:07:07] Because I guarantee that each of them, other than maybe Mary, who's not in a great place, has a plan. You know, I think that Camilla expects to find a way to the end with Kyle. Mitch probably feels like he has an ally in Shaheen. Kyle and Shaheen know they need to find a way to do something about Joe and Eva, but they need to do it at the right time or else they become the new targets.

[00:07:30] Now, some of them are undoubtedly being fooled, but that doesn't equate to them doing nothing. I think we all need to remember back to the edits that Jamie and Lauren were getting in Survivor 44, where it appeared like they were doing nothing to the point that they got so frustrated they blew up on social media like, we're not that stupid. You know, we know things are going on.

[00:07:55] But we then later found out they were being actively fooled by Jam Jam and Carson. And each of Jamie and Lauren thought they had a path to the end because of that. Is so does it mean that people like Mitch and maybe even Camilla, they're not going to have a path to the end? And, you know, they're just getting fooled, maybe. But, you know, our our three time guest, Dr.

[00:08:22] Jeremy Faust has a saying that he has brought up a few times, which is that survivor players these days are professionals, you know, and I tend to agree with him for for most of them. Maybe not, David. But, you know, someone like Mitch isn't just sitting there waiting to be picked off. Shaheen doesn't truly believe he can go to the end and beat Joe and Eva. He's smarter than that. Something is going to break.

[00:08:51] They just don't want to make a move to. I do want to just add my two cents in here, though, as far as Mitch is concerned, I I have concerns that Mitch is not actively playing as much as he should be based upon his own commentary that he's giving during the episodes when he's in the confessionals where he's actually acknowledging the fact that he's playing a safe game and that, you know, people are going to be sitting on their couches yelling at him saying he needs to do something.

[00:09:21] And he's putting limitations on himself based upon what's happening in the game where he says, I can't make moves with people I don't trust. And so I I am fearful that Mitch is not pushing the way that he necessarily should be pushing because he has fallen into this safer space of, well, at least I'm in six instead of taking a risk and having to go with people I don't trust. But it is true.

[00:09:46] When you play this game of survivor, you play with people you don't trust because you can't fully trust anyone. And he is not in a position where he can really say that he can even trust the group of six that he's a part of, allegedly, because they're also not being honest with him. So I have some very real concerns about Mitch and his being just based upon what he said himself. I mean, he's he's made admissions himself.

[00:10:17] Yeah. I'll be a Mitch defender as well. I think that if anything, you know, David brings up the edit from, you know, Lauren and Jamie that time. But the editing this season has been abysmal. They've literally hid stuff from us completely. Yeah. If you're watching the show and you're taking what you see at Facebook, you don't know why these things are happening at all. It just happened. You're like, oh, was there a flip? Well, who started it? Who? OK, you never know what happened. We don't know who's voting for who.

[00:10:44] And so this week we get Mitch going, you know, like I want to make a move, but I can't make a move yet. I can't make a move yet. I can't make a move yet. So all we see is like, Mitch, you need to make a move. You need to make a move. He won't make a move. He won't make a move. He won't make a move. So they're like burying him under this idea that something entertaining can happen. Right. Like there is an avenue for him. And all he has to do is go to rocks and then we can shake all of this up. And for Mitch, he's like, why would I go to rocks right now? If I can make one more round, if I get to seven, then it might sound like a better time

[00:11:14] to flip. But going to, but flipping now to now go to rocks and then, you know, it doesn't really benefit him. But the way the show is painting it is like, he's like the one barrier between us having good TV and us having not good TV. And I think that's why everybody's so mad. We're like, do something. Not for him. They don't care if Mitch wins. They want us to have good TV. Yeah. They just want us to see something exciting on TV. And he's like the avatar for, you know, the boring thing that everybody thinks is about to happen in this season.

[00:11:44] And so I think that people are being unfair to Mitch for sure. But I also think the editing this season is like almost unforgivable. I think they've been doing really cool stuff with the challenges. I think the last week's challenge with David versus Joe was so gripping. You know, like that's that's how you build suspense. But then this week they got this like bumblebee flying in front of his face. I don't care. You know, I think that they have to pick their spots. And I think that in the strategy portions of this, they've been leaving so much out that we don't know, you know, what is actually happening. And we just have so little to go off of.

[00:12:15] All of that, I think, is is so on point, because if there is one thing that I've learned from being on the show, they can edit out entire relationships. No one knew that I was super close with Adam because they just didn't include it in the edit because they wanted to make it appear as if I was really close with Ken. I was really close with both of them. And so there is so much to be said about the edit portion and what we aren't getting.

[00:12:40] And so that's why I am hoping that those clips that we're seeing of Mitch are part of that editing issue where they're feeding into that belief that, oh, no, look, they're not doing anything when in actuality, we're just not seeing it because of the edit. So I am very curious to see what we're going to learn as the season progresses. And when we finally hear from Mitch, it'll all be very interesting to see how it how it all comes together. Yeah.

[00:13:08] And that's why I think, you know, like knowing about you and Adam and then rewatching it, there are a couple hints. There are a couple of small scenes where it was like you said something like, oh, I'll go tell Adam. And you're thinking, well, why would Jessica be the one to tell Adam if you don't know? You know, but it makes sense in that context. And here, I think the scene that that did it for me was when Mitch went and talked to Shaheen

[00:13:35] and said, hey, you know, she wants us to flip. And Shaheen's like, well, who do they want to do it? Flip on to. And Mitch says, on to you, fool. Now, you don't talk like that to someone unless you're friends. You're close. You feel you have a relationship with them. That's why I think he believes. True or not, he believes that he has something going on the side with Shaheen that is going to lead him further into the game.

[00:14:05] Mm hmm. Yeah, I think he should believe that, too. I think that, like, honestly, if you're looking at Shaheen as a potential ally, you've got to be thinking there's no way Shaheen wants to go to the end with Joe and Eva, right? Like, there's got to be no way. Eventually, he's going to be like, all right, Mitch, let's do our thing. You know, the same way Camilla is looking at Kyle, like, eventually, this is going to happen, right? You might not be ready to go to rocks right now, but you eventually realize. Yeah, that's not a thing that we're going to be that's viable.

[00:14:32] Well, the issue that I'm having with them, you know, with this, like, one more week, one more week, one more week is that while they're worried about Joe and Eva, those two people are still most likely to win immunity in any given challenge, it seems like at this point. And then on top of that, she has two advantages. So let's say she wins immunity and she gives him one. Then now what do you do? Now who are you voting out? Are you going back to Mitch? Now, Mitch, what are you going to do? Are y'all all turning on Shaheen? You know, like now I feel like they've put themselves in a position where they have two. I think she loses her safety.

[00:15:02] Is it safety power power? Right. Yeah. Seven. Yeah. She loses seven. This is eight. So it's like next round. Like if I'm her, I'm playing it. Why not? What is it? What is it going to do? Like if Joe wins immunity? All right, Joe handle tribal council. I'll be back. You know, I'll see you at the camp. You know what I'm saying? It's frustrating because you want, I need them to make a move on Joe and Eva sooner than later because they're the people who are most likely to get to four and take each other. Yeah. Eva doesn't have to blow the fire because he's going to take her. So now what are you going to do? You know?

[00:15:30] And so that's why where my frustration is. But I definitely think that the edit is not doing them any favors. Yeah, I agree. Now, I do think you bring up a good point. And I think I plan to get to it in appendix a I don't remember. But which is she does have these trinkets. So if you were going to flip on Eva at this moment, which a lot of people wanted them to do, a lot of people are like, why was Eva's name never brought up? Why are they not going after you?

[00:15:55] You would have to keep it so secret that not a hint of it got back to Eva or she would just be like, blink. Here's one of my trinkets. Yeah. You know, and so it's it makes it even more difficult. But even with that said, Chappelle, you mentioned a little while ago, you know, the four of them are not going to march down to the end in all likelihood. You know, they shouldn't. And right watching the edit.

[00:16:22] I am honestly surprised that anyone believes any viewer believes the strong four are going to make it to the end together because there was not one but two separate scenes of Eva talking about how certain she was that they're locked in and she's not at all concerned about anyone coming against them. Yeah. Which tells me she has a lot of reason to be concerned because. Yeah.

[00:16:47] Showing us those scenes, those are bright flashing red harbingers of doom for her. You know, there is no way. I mean, I agree with you completely about the editing being terrible this season, but there's no way they could give us scenes of her saying things like they can't stop us. And I feel unconcerned with the next few votes. There's no way that tribal council, for God's sake. Well, I mean, there's no way that she's saying that.

[00:17:14] And they're showing us confessionals of her saying that if it's actually going to be that smooth. Yeah. Jessica, I have a question. So when you're on the island and you're saying we should get somebody, you're expecting that to be on the show. And so for these people, this entire episode, nobody uttered Eva's name as a possible target, a person that they know has like most of them know she has two advantages. Most of them are aware of it. You know, so a person has two advantages and nobody say her name. It's like they're leaving that out on purpose.

[00:17:41] There's no way her name didn't come up immediately after Joe's, you know, but it felt like it went from like, oh, we can't get Joe. Let's go get Star or Mitch or Mary. What? Why? Well, and it's interesting, too, because I can actually relate that back to one of my one of the episodes when we had just merged and we had our first immunity challenge. I was number one on the chopping block. Like they were like, Jessica is going to be the merge boot. We're voting her out, which is why I went into that challenge.

[00:18:10] Like I have to win this challenge. And that was and it came down to Will and I and Will ended up winning. And I thought for sure. I'm like, that's it. I'm toast. I'm going home. But then there was something that happened between Adam and Will. And then all of a sudden, like things were shifting. And I was told right afterwards by Zeke that like you're not the target anymore. It's somebody else. All of that was left out. Like when I was the one that was being targeted, I was told later by production that we ended

[00:18:39] up not including that in the story because of where things ended up at the very end. And so like that portion of the story didn't then become it wasn't integral to what ended up happening in the very end. But there was a hint of it in a confessional that Jay gave where he talked about me in that particular episode. So it's it's interesting what they do choose to show, because if it's not significant for whatever the end result is, they will just leave it out.

[00:19:06] And I'm I'm certain that somebody said, what about Eva? I mean, you can't tell me Star wasn't like going, hi, Eva. Remember, Eva, I gave her my idol that, you know, so I would imagine that there's a reason why that was left out. But it had to have been said it had to have been said, like, why are you going to Shaheen? Like everyone suddenly like he's the other option. Like, oh, I mean, Joe, so we're going to do Shaheen. Shaheen was the only name that Star knew how to say, apparently, from everything. You've been saying his name for weeks.

[00:19:36] OK, yeah. So we'll get into that. But yeah, I I I suspect you're right that it was just cut, you know, because they probably said we could go after her. And then they said, well, she is the idol in this thing. So if she finds out, it's all blown. So let's not even try that. Yeah, that's my but like. But to me, it's just kind of like, OK, well, when are you going to do it? You know, so it's like a viewer is frustrating because we all see that they all see that

[00:20:05] she has a public she has two public advantages. So it makes it so much more. And a very public relationship. That's the problem, Jessica. We're watching this public relationship blossom into a public advantage and a public relationship to a public advantage and a public advantage and a public relationship. Right. It's not a case where it's like, well, only some people know that they're super close. Right. Or like they don't know that she has. No, they they actually do. And so that's why it's like we're all at home saying do something because you're going to run out of time.

[00:20:35] Yeah. But I'm sure they are trying to figure something out and it's just not coming together with the pieces that they have. But the show is not giving us that at all. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And you would think with the extra half hour that they could put some of that in. Oh, don't get me started. Instead, they have to, you know, slow mo on Joe and the fly. And a fly. Yeah. But now I do want to pat myself a little bit on the back here from last week. Jessica, you weren't here.

[00:21:05] But, you know, I noted that I expected the foursome of Joe, Eva, Kyle and Shaheen to stick together after voting David out because they went through a lot of trouble to get on the same page. So it wasn't I felt they weren't going to instantly turn on each other the way a certain Rob and Stephen thought they were. Um, and, you know, I also said either on the podcast or social media, I can't remember which

[00:21:29] that I did not see Kyle turning on Joe because of how close they were, at least at this point, which that was also shown to be correct as he Kyle specifically mentioned that. So, you know, I'm riding a bit of a high here as far as those reads went. Um, I guess we'll see if any of my predictions that I just made about everyone else other than Joe and Eva, uh, come true as the show goes on here.

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[00:22:58] I have a question about Appendix B when it comes to Kyle. And I know it's not, we are jumping the gun because Kyle's not who we're talking about loss. But he talks about how I can't take out Joe because no one's going to respect me on the jury if I go against the integrity thing. You know, and it's like at this point in the game, like once you realize that the jury is going to be looking at that, are you backed into a corner where you have to play that way? Or is there any way you can sway the jury in your favor? Because David, if I'm David, I'm not voting for Joe. I'm just not.

[00:23:28] You can't like, you cannot go on this crusade against me. You cannot look at me and say I'm incapable of breaking. Like I physically cannot break my word and then break my word to me and then get my vote. Like that's not a thing unless you immediately come back and admit it the next day. Like if he's at a tribal council going, yeah, we lied to David. We were never about integrity. We were always going to take him out. I'm like, okay, you got me. You know, I fell for it. But you can't get your final tribal council. Like I never lied to anybody. You know, like that just doesn't work for me.

[00:23:53] So what is a Kyle to do when you start looking at the jury and they're starting to look more like the Davids and Joes of the world? What do you do to win? Well, yeah, and that's actually like one of the next couple of points I was going to bring up was about that exact thing, because it is smart of him. And I just posted a video on this earlier today about it is smart of him to recognize like, hey, you know, we know that Kyle typically plays a strategic game. If it were up to him, he'd be backstabbing everyone in their brother.

[00:24:23] But he has he sees what's going on the season. He has a better read on this season, I think, than most people do on any given season. We have seen so many people show up at juries and have no clue what the jury is actually looking for. And he sees it ahead of time. So I do think that in some ways to answer your question, Chappelle, I do think he is somewhat caught up in that, depending on how everything shakes out.

[00:24:52] But I also think that with the failed attempt this week where he was kind of helping Camilla to try and make the attempt against Joe, I think he's going to have to take a stand, you know, whether it's at seven or at five. I'm not 100 percent sure. I'll have predictions later. But I mean, I've been wrong in those specific predictions for a few weeks now because I keep predicting Mary.

[00:25:22] And, you know, but I think that he's he's leaning the right way. But you've got to make sure that, OK, you're presuming you get to the end and Joe and Eva are on the jury. And because somebody. Right. And so it's like you're going to have to come up with a way to say I followed the things,

[00:25:51] the morality that you're interested in. But I also played the game. Yeah. Jess, when you play with Ken, right? Like, his thing was the honor and integrity, too. Right. Like, that was his thing. Like, I never did. Yeah. Was that something where we when he came up against the jury, are y'all like really holding his feet to the fire about that? Or is it just y'all were a jury that was going to respect more of what Adam did anyway? Like, were y'all more like a more I won't say competitive, but like, you know,

[00:26:17] more strategic jury versus Ken was lying or not being true to his doctrine that he was preaching? I think that the entire jury was really composed of people who were looking at gameplay as opposed to loyalty. But because that was such a significant part of Ken's game, that was why I kind of like tossed him a softball with the question I asked him, because I specifically wanted him to take that turn against David and turn it into a game move when he was no longer loyal and decided I have to vote out David.

[00:26:46] I wanted him to step up and say that was my strategy all along. I was playing with him because he knew how to play the game and I was using him in the way that I needed to to get to the end. And when I had a chance to take him out, I took him out. And that was my decision. I did that. If he had stepped up and done that, I think he probably would have impressed people on the jury. But that's not what he did. And so it's like, oh, like I was really hoping that it wasn't just all about loyalty with him because I was someone who was playing very loyal, but also understanding you have to

[00:27:16] like play the game at the same time. And so I think that if he had done that and answered it in that way, then I think there might have been a bit of a pause with people on the jury because we were really looking at that game and who had the best game. Yeah. And that's, you know, I said something similar last week when talking about David, like if David had been putting on an act and doing all these gameplay things where he had his

[00:27:43] own side alliance, but then criticized someone else for having a side alliance and he lied, but then criticized someone else for lying. If he had if if his whole honor, integrity, loyalty thing had been an act, I'd have been like, good job. Good job. That's how I feel about Joe right now, too. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yes. But I don't think Joe is as much on his high horse as David is. Oh, no. When you so much when someone tells me they're physically incapable of stabbing somebody, that's what I'm like.

[00:28:13] OK, Superman, you know, all right. Slow down. So I don't know. Like I feel the same way about both of them. I don't mind it if that is your strategy and you're going to come out and say it, you know, but you can't get to the end and be like, I've never like I am physically incapable to this day. And like we're all sitting on the jury being like, really, because we saw you. Right. Yeah. So we're crazy. You know what I'm saying? That's what that's the disconnect for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I just the way David. I think Joe is quieter about it.

[00:28:43] He doesn't walk around spouting it every two seconds. He doesn't put it into every conversation. Whereas David seemed to do that. He like if he had had a shirt. Well, he had had my shirt that says honesty, integrity, loyalty on the front. He'd have been wearing that, you know, ignoring the part about the scheme and plot on the back. But so that's how I see the difference. But but also getting back to getting back to Kyle, the other thing I wanted to talk

[00:29:12] about with him, besides his recognition of where the jury may be headed, is. I feel like we've been given some good confessional content from him that could easily point to him winning because he explained some of his strategy and he said something that could almost have come out of our mouths in giving advice to players, because he said, I've kind of operated and played this game with little pushes. Everybody expects these big moves.

[00:29:39] But I think Survivor is a game that's won in the margins. Yes. I mean, I wanted to stand up and applaud. I guess I could have. I was home alone watching it looking at me funny. But still, you know. Yeah, that's the type of game he's talking about playing. And it could get him to the end, I think. Yeah. I mean, we've seen people do that. Ones that the little moves, the planting of the seeds.

[00:30:06] And what I will say that you already mentioned it about Kyle. He seems to have the best understanding and read of everything that's going on with everyone. And it's really quite incredible that he's been able to create the relationships he has and keep some of them so like with him and Camilla, so secretive that people aren't really noticing, but they kind of are. They're sensing it. And just very, very impressive gameplay all around.

[00:30:36] And that is someone who I think the jury can certainly respect because it is a very sought out and methodical game that takes a lot of time and energy. And it isn't about this big move. Look, this big move I made. No, it's all of these little ones that got me here. I think that he's doing a fantastic job with that. Yeah. But he got to get rid of Joe or Ivar. He doesn't win. Oh, yeah. No, he absolutely won. You know, he's like, you can't sit with all the people. You're going to lose. Yeah.

[00:31:05] You're going to lose. Right. That'll be the big move. Right. That'll be the big move. And all these other little ones that'll get him there. Yeah. Yeah. I'll pray even as in play that advantage this week. Dear God. Like if they could just get her out now, this would be perfect because she get that advantage and she has an idol. And then one immunity went away from fire. Like, come on, man. I don't like. I'm just going to say it, even though, I mean, I hadn't even thought about saying it in the predictions. I don't think she's going to play.

[00:31:32] I think she is so confident in her ability and she doesn't want to, quote unquote, abandon her allies. I don't think she's going to play the advantage next week. So I think she's just going to let it expire. That's tough. Um, but I'd be walking out so quick. He's out. Good luck. Yeah, exactly.

[00:31:56] Um, now one other thing that she did and Joe also did, uh, this gets back to the jury management issue you brought up, Chappelle. Um, those two were not as good at their attempts as, uh, as for example, Kyle is being, uh, I would call them ham handed. As a matter of fact, uh, Joe basically told him, uh, he's not going to play the game. I told Mary I'm doing jury management. Yeah. I mean, you don't say to someone essentially, I'm being honest with you because when I vote

[00:32:25] you out, I want your vote on the jury, you know? And then Eva was similar. You need to be a lot subtler about it. You can't just say we're doing this. So you'll like us. You have to appreciate Mary in those moments though, because she was so much like, oh my gosh, thank you so much for telling me. I really appreciate it. It's just like, and you know, it's just oozing. And with like sarcasm, but they can't tell. It was, I loved that moment when she responded to both of them.

[00:32:54] Like, oh yeah, we're good. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. No, not good. Yeah. That's a smoking gun that they believe what they're, what they're, what they're preaching to everybody. Is it like, you would come to me and say this to me. The fact that you would say that to me is wild, you know, it's like, okay, you've lost your mind. Yeah. Like really just keep voting with us. You're a number. We'll get rid of you when we need to. Yeah. And then you can vote for us to win the million dollars. Hey, I'd rather be it. Absolutely not.

[00:33:23] I'm a person that you get out in a pre-marriage. You don't want me on the jury at any point. This is not a thing. Oh, I love it. We'd have a feisty Chappelle on the jury. I love that. Provider 51. Chappelle is coming. I'll be back at home before, before the merge. Trust me on this first trip out. Oh my gosh. It's great. Oh, good stuff. All right. Well, do either of you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we get to the rules? No, we should probably get started, right? It's like 34 minutes in.

[00:33:53] Yeah. You know, well, but before we do, of course, we have to mention that the rules we're about to discuss come in a shorter, much more colorful version in poster form. You can go to robhiswebsite.com slash YXLostFeeds, scroll down to the poster, click on it, order it, and it will be shipped directly to you. Or you can keep scrolling and get the poster on a T-shirt or the checklist on a T-shirt and, you know, click and order those.

[00:34:20] And we cover all of your survivor rules needs at robhiswebsite.com slash YXLostFeeds. That's right. Well, Star said, we have spirit and spirit goes a long way. And, you know, while that may be true in certain parts of life, it's generally not true in Survivor. Spirit can make you fun to watch and even be around, but it needs to be accompanied by

[00:34:47] aspects of the game like strategy, building relationships, things like that. We know Star had spirit. So let's figure out which parts were missing because at RHAP, we know Survivor and we know YXLostFeeds. Now, we're going to do something a little different this week because there's really no way we can

[00:35:09] discuss several of these rules without interweaving, I guess, rule number several, rule seven, which covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. Specifically, of course, Star's beware advantage slash idol because it played a big role in many different aspects of her story arc. So rather than have a situation where we're talking about her strategic game and then Jessica

[00:35:35] says something about her idol and I say, wait, we have to we have to wait till rule seven. Let's jump ahead. Yeah, we'll just do it. And then, you know, we'll talk about the things specific to rule seven here and then interweave the idol stuff wherever it fits later on. So among those specific things. With the beware advantage. First, there was the utter lack of secrecy when she found she discussed in some of her

[00:36:03] interviews how things kind of spun out of control when she told Joe and then they brought in Shaheen because Joe couldn't figure it out and so on and so on. It was just too much. It's either keep it a secret or make it public. Don't try to tightrope walk between the two. Tell some people before others. Hide it from exactly one person on your tribe. She ended up in this position where her survival in the game was dependent upon others who

[00:36:32] might or might not have told her how to solve the clue if that group had ever gone to tribal council. Yeah, I was very uncomfortable with that whole like component where and and the fact that like Thomas was even debating, well, let's just take it away from her and like hide it. So then she couldn't even solve it if she wanted to speaks volumes about why secrecy is so

[00:36:57] important in a game like this when you do have an advantage because people are going to scheme and plot against you when they know that you have an advantage. And in that moment, I thought, oh, good. We have a villain. This is so much fun that Thomas wanted to do that. But so I do think that there were so many components of that gameplay for her that just worked directly against everything that she needed to accomplish in that moment where she's disappearing and everyone's noticing.

[00:37:26] And so suddenly all eyes are on her. And then she's telling person number one who tells person number two and then the person number three. All of it just put her in a very, very tough spot. And I think that's probably part of the reason why. A lot of the players have been talking about the inability to really work with star because you never really know where she's coming from. I think that probably started with that component of her game. I just don't think she had the social capital from the beginning to pull off what she was

[00:37:55] trying to pull off. I think we saw say do a very similar thing, right? Say went to the people that say trust it and were like, we got to put our heads together on this and then say figured out what was going on. But say did go and talk to people about it for star star had nobody to talk to about it. She goes to she can't talk to Eve about it because it was very clear evil was targeting her. She goes to Joe who's supposed to be like the honor and integrity guy. He throws her under the bus. Go when it gets to Thomas. Thomas is like, let's just keep it away from her. Nobody actually had her back in that moment anyway.

[00:38:24] A large part of the reason why I think star lost and I'm going to say it a billion times is that just like socially, she just wasn't able to get ingratiated with them at all. Where even collecting the idol. And that's just probably the downside of like a beware advantage like this is that there used to be a time where you could find an idol and it's yours because you found it and that's all that it took. You know, now you might have to bring in all these other people and maybe you can't, you know, the idol was supposed to be able to save the people who can't save themselves.

[00:38:51] And now you're like, now I got to go at the feet of all these other people to make it happen. It's really tough. So yeah, I think all of that just kind of like snowballs. And from there, she's never able to recover. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, you talk about it snowballing. So then at the swap, we're still continuing with the same topic. And, you know, we of course saw Eva's challenge moment leading up to star feeling closer to her fessing up about the beware advantage. And then Eva opening the cylinder and start telling her, Hey, just keep the idol.

[00:39:22] And, you know, a wise man said on blue sky Wednesday, don't give your biggest op your idol completely unprovoked. Yeah, that's definitely me. And again, and again, I see where star is going. She's like, I'm going to extend an olive branch. Look, look, you have not wanted to work with me this whole time. Let me give you something. But that is not what you need to give her. You don't give her something else. Give her your shot in the dark. Give her something else. But you cannot give her your idol.

[00:39:48] Because at this point, I think star said in one of her exit interviews, the next day she heard Eva saying her name. It was like, you gave it. You gave your your idol to somebody who didn't care. You know, it's like it wasn't like an olive branch to you. But for her, it's just a thing that my enemy did, you know? So it was just a mistake from jump. Yeah. And I think the interesting part of her deciding to give it to Eva in that moment is, yeah, it was great for Eva, but it didn't have the same meaning to Eva that it necessarily had

[00:40:17] for star where, as you said, stars trying to create a bond with her, trying to say, hey, let's work together. And Eva's just like, thanks. I got my crew. We're good. You just gave me a little trinket. I appreciate that. But I'm all set because I've already chosen who I'm going to work with in a game like this. If you are going to share something that is so powerful, you need to make sure that you are on the same page with the person you're sharing it with. Otherwise, you really have put yourself in a horrific situation. Yeah.

[00:40:47] I mean, maybe if she had had a one-on-one conversation, like, you know, Eva gives it back to her. And then later the next day, you know, star pulls her aside and says, look, you know, I feel like we've been on the wrong foot together. I want to work with you. You know, let's let this is our idol. You know, we will share. I'll hold on to it. But you opened it. So it's our idol. Right. Right. Yes. Speeches, because it's never our idol. But, you know, but something like that.

[00:41:15] And I have to admit, in the moment when star did it, I was caught up in it, too. I think I said in the podcast that was like, wow, this could work to her advantage. But like, I mean, you know, you said that she said something about hearing Eva right away. I we certainly saw it when they hit the merge because Eva right to her and forgot all about it. And from that point forward, we only heard her talk about my idol. No mention of where she got that idol.

[00:41:45] It was my idol, which, yes, in this case, possession isn't even nine times the law. That's ten times the law, but it was her idol. But like. Nothing about where it came from. Right. Yeah. And then even when Mary was like, hey, so would you would you play the idol? No, no, there wasn't like it's mine. It's just mine. I mean, it's it's and it's so fascinating because Eva's so locked in with her alliance that

[00:42:13] she can't even be bothered to bring star as like a potential of the number. We see so many people with other plus ones. David had like three of them. He wouldn't admit it, but he was like, I'm trying to build a bond with this person. I'm trying to build a bond. He's the only person. The only person the entire game I heard was trying to build a bond with star since the merge. Right. Like he's the only one. So it's like, yeah, when Eva had an opportunity, she was trying to build a bond. She was trying to show her how to swim. Yeah. And then the next day, the next day, he's like, sorry, I don't have mine. I would never work with star. Yeah.

[00:42:39] Well, you know, so that, you know, but it's just like, Eva, this is your chance to solidify something else with somebody outside of this core group of men. And she can't even be bothered to do it. So it's like, right. It's like a valiant effort from star to like say, okay, I'm giving you the most powerful thing I have in this game. Please, please don't, you know, don't take me out. And they're like, nah, we're good. You know, it's just like, damn, you know? So that's why I say, don't give it to them anyway.

[00:43:05] Like I'd rather you play it or just be disruptive to their plans because you have the idol. Now they can't go. They have to split the vote on you. Now you got a little bit more wiggle room, you know, where it's like, okay, I know the votes are coming to me, but I'm playing my idol. Mary, let us vote for somebody else because it'll be you. If it's not me, you know, something like that. Yes. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Wiggle room is the show you're doing on Monday night, by the way. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The wand off is coming for all of y'all who have not submitted yet. So make sure you get your songs in. Yes, definitely.

[00:43:36] I'm sure Star submitted something. Yes. Yeah. I have heard that at least one of our guest co-hosts have submitted something. So we'll see if that one gets played. Oh my goodness. But, um, but yeah. So then moving on even past the idol and it'll come up again. Believe me, it'll come up again in one. It'll come up again in rule five at least. Um, but we also, I, I also want to go back to that wise man on blue sky because he also

[00:44:04] said when you don't have the numbers to make a move and everyone is telling you to play your shot in the dark, just play it. Just play it. Ta-da. Just play it. Just play it. Just play it. Just play it. He was like, you have no data to support that at all. I mean, that is going to be on Mary. You have nothing because nobody has ever wanted to work with this game thus far. You know what I'm saying? Like this, thus far, we only just started seeing stars, strategic elements recently,

[00:44:32] but like, you gotta know that Star was on the bottom when Chrissy was there saying, we gotta make a move. Star was with her on the bottom. You know, she was just fighting for her life. So I was like, by now you gotta just, Hey, you gotta just try to be as disruptive as possible. As far as I'm concerned, but they're not working with you. Nobody has an alliance with you to the end. You're nobody's final two. Who is nobody's final two at this point in the game? You know what I'm saying? Like they just were. Yeah. You're not wrong. Yeah. I mean, the thing is even, okay.

[00:44:59] So obviously she didn't even after Jeff brought it up to her and she said in interviews that she thought the others were targeting Mary and trying to get her to flush her shot in the dark because she believed that she had the numbers advantage in this vote. She told Mike Bloom, I really, really, really. I thought the numbers were on my side. And that's just because I'm a confident person. Sometimes it's to a fault. And, you know, she added to Dalton Ross. I'm so confident enough that I know for a fact, at least original Loggie is not writing

[00:45:29] my name, but I did not know original Loggie indeed wrote my name. You know, I really did. I do also question. And I mean, maybe it's just, you know, memory, but she kept insisting in her interviews that she thought the vote was going to be five, four. It was an eight person vote. I don't know. I mean, she must have meant five, three, I presume. But, you know, okay. If it was going to be five, three, then they don't need your vote. So play it.

[00:45:58] It goes back to that. If, if it was going to be a one vote difference, then yeah. Okay. I can see that, but if it's going to be five, three, if you truly believe that then play it just in case, because everybody's telling you. Yeah. Yeah. And you aren't always given gifts like that either. Right. Where someone like flat out says, Hey, listen, you, you should play your shot in the dark. Like you should just, and I know that there are times that it's part of gameplay to flush

[00:46:24] the shot in the dark, but at the same time, you know, it's, it's either you or Mary. I mean, that's what the discussions have been and everyone knows that that's, what's going down, including you and Mary. You might as well. Just, just play it. Just play the damn thing. Yeah. Try. Yeah. So, I mean, I, I do think star believing she knew what was really going on in the tribe

[00:46:49] is an overall issue, not just for this one instance, which is a good jumping off point to go to rule one, uh, which of course says to scheme and plot because. I think star truly believed she was doing this. Yeah. The problem was from what we could tell. She really wasn't, um, in the fake plan, David, I just feel like she was scheming and plotting and they were going, okay. Yeah. You know, like, does she, does she ever go to tribal council, um, pre merge?

[00:47:19] Like, is there ever a chance to vote? Like, is there ever a chance to even test that her alliance isn't lying to her? Right. So like when she gets here, why would she think the Loggies would vote for her? They haven't voted for me yet. You know, they've been saying we're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she, but, but the thing is she knew some of the things were going on that weren't working to her advantage. Um, you know, she told Dalton Ross that starting very early, she never had a number one in the tribe and everyone else was pretty much locked in.

[00:47:49] And once they were locked in, there was no room for her. But she also said very early on the show, I've been hesitant to talk strategy because everyone's getting along so well. And she wondered if the others had been doing it. All future players wonder no more. The answer is yes. The answer is always yes. Yeah. You know, and then after watching episode two, she posted on social media that this showed that the others never gave her a chance and they never liked her.

[00:48:16] Uh, they only tolerated her and that hurt and they would have voted her out if she, if they had lost immunity. And one problem with this is she, she kind of admitted her own faults. She said they never gave her a chance, but like I just mentioned, she admitted she hadn't talked game to any of them. Right. We saw Thomas telling her, I've been waiting for you to say something to me. Yeah. We saw her running off to look for an idol early while everyone else was at camp talking.

[00:48:46] And yes, I fully understand while she's sitting at home watching this, it seemed mean. It seemed hurtful. The thing is that other players aren't there to give you a chance. They're there to win. Well, and she even mentioned it in the tribal council, how she wasn't talking strategy. Even at that moment, she was like, I was talking about like cars and stuff. I mean, she actually admitted to not talking strategy right before what was going to ultimately

[00:49:14] be the most significant vote that she would be a part of, which I think really does speak volumes of her just, just missing. There was just something that was just missing there. I don't know if it's not, I can't read a room, but I can read a room because I know that they don't necessarily want to talk to me, but it's still fine. And I don't need to strategize with these people because maybe it's going to get worse if I do, but how can it get worse? If nobody wants to talk with you, you got to at least try.

[00:49:42] So yeah, it was, it was definitely something that she was lacking greatly throughout her entire from start to finish game that she played. Yeah. To me, you can't strategize by yourself. You have to be able to talk to somebody about it. And she says like, I'm having a hard time with this, but she does, you know, Thomas says, I was waiting on you to come. And then what does Thomas do? I should throw her idol away. You know, like, you know what I'm saying? Like that, why do you think I haven't talked to you? You know, like I can see, I can see how a movie you are toward me.

[00:50:11] You know, we, I've seen star strategize. I remember when she comes down, she's like, uh, what is it? Uh, stop what you're talking about it. Open your ears. You know, and she's like, what, how do y'all feel about voting for Shaheen? And I go, yeah, no, but I think Camilla and Gail might be together. You know, like they just completely shut it down and we get professional with her saying, I wanted to get Shaheen, but nobody's down for it. So I guess you got to go with the flow or it's going to be you next. She said that herself. So if that's her mantra is like, I'm going to try. And then I'm not going to push too hard. Who is she going to talk to Mitch?

[00:50:40] Who's like, she's crazy. Mary who's at the bottom with her, you know, David, who's a lockstep with Eva, who clearly just took her idol and it hasn't talked to her since, you know, for me, I like, she has a lot of flaws and I think her social game is just, it wasn't built for this cast. And so because of that, if she wasn't bringing anything into the table, like the idol would have definitely helped God, dear God. You know, you can say, we have an idol. How can we use it to take out one of them? You know, but she had nothing.

[00:51:08] She had no currency in the game and they just, they didn't have any use for her. Yeah. I do think in the early days, having the beware advantage hurt her in that regard. Cause I, I, I felt she was using it as a tool to create relationships, but they weren't real relationships. You know, she, she needed to be using actual strategic and social play. She was relying too much on the beware advantage at that point and not enough on herself.

[00:51:38] Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just don't know where else she's supposed to go in that tribe. You got the California girls who are like, we're the California girls and we're not going anywhere. You got Joe and Eva who's like, and Joe is like, I will give up my game for, for Eva. And you have. Oh, I know. Yeah. So now what's she supposed to do? Who's she going to, who's she going to go to? You know, like, okay. I go to Joe. He told Eva, I go to Thomas. He tries to hide my beware advantage. You know what I'm saying? Uh, I guess I'll just go to Bianca and pray. You know, it's like, you know, I don't, I don't really know.

[00:52:06] I just felt like she was in a tight spot from jump, but then everything after that, she has to be like super aggressive and playing. And I don't think she was aggressive enough. I think she was like so timid due to the social relationship. That by the time it came time to make some moves, nobody went, they were like, yeah, star is just here. She's just doing a lot of random stuff. We don't know what to do with her. I don't know. I just don't feel like there's a world where I would vote her out because who's going to vote for her in the end against me? You know, like, well, and I, yeah, that is definitely safe. Yeah.

[00:52:32] Like I would have bet money that she would say, like, if I'm Shaheen, who am I going to sit next to? You know, like, why not star? You know, I guess maybe Mitch, but like, well, you're going to go with Kyle. You're going to go with Joe. You're going to go with Eva. Well, you're running out of pieces here. So I don't know. I'm very confused by the decision to take out her of all people. And I do think that part of her problem early on in the game that put her in a predicament where she really wasn't connecting with people is the disappearing act that we did here.

[00:53:01] So many of them mentioned where she was off looking for something. And it was because, as you said, David, she had this big wear advantage and she was trying to solve it, which those first few hours when you are coming together as a tribe are the most significant moments because it's it's that's the moment where people are like you, me. That's it. We're done. And us three, we're working together. Okay. And if you don't move quick, you're going to miss the boat.

[00:53:27] And I really think that she was someone who probably thought I can win these people over eventually because I have a great personality and they're going to love me. That's not how Survivor works. It works so fast. People don't take time to necessarily get to know you. They decide whether or not I can get a good read from you immediately and can we work together? So I think that that was another hindrance for her was one, the beware advantage and her desire, you know, thinking like her charisma would carry her and then people would come to

[00:53:57] understand who she was and love her when in the end that there's just no place for that in Survivor. I agree. Yeah, I I'll have I'll have some ideas about that when we get to rule five. But the I mean, you know, Chappelle, you mentioned that where was she going to go? And I think the problem is she just didn't get there fast enough. Like, yes, they had those relationships, but they didn't form the minute they got there

[00:54:27] was time. She just didn't use that time. But yeah, she also had other thoughts that didn't really go along with what we saw. Like she had a secret scene where she talked about how she had been outwitting and outsmarting all these other people and playing since day one. But she clearly wasn't. You know, we had other flashes of this with her believing she knew what was happening, but she didn't have it right.

[00:54:52] Even last week, as far as we saw, and you just referenced this, she only talked to David and Mary thinking that they represented the entire majority. So that's why she was the only one other than those two who voted Mitch. If she had other good strategic connections in the tribe, she would have had a better idea of what was happening. You know, Kyle even said it in tribal council. Star talked like she was the godfather. She had faith. Yeah. Exuded it.

[00:55:19] And I, you know, I just mentioned a few minutes ago how she had said the same thing in her interviews about having faith in her reads when it came to the shot in the dark. The problem was her faith wasn't backed by facts. Right. Yeah. I agree. Totally agree. Now, I will also say I think that she had what I would call an interesting way of playing the strategic game. And it kind of links back to what happened early in her original tribe.

[00:55:47] And this gets to Jessica, what you mentioned at tribal council, where she said, no, I didn't talk strategy because if you ask someone if they have your name in mind, then it's paranoia. So, you know, she she talked about other things, which no, none of that is good. And I think at least some of this may go back to her being a new fan because we need to

[00:56:12] remember she didn't watch the show till her son was born less than a year before she went out there. And she did catch up on all the seasons. And I certainly feel she had a better handle on the game overall than David did. But as we've discussed before, binging like that doesn't necessarily get you a full understanding of the game unless you go deeper. I mean, you know, we talked about this even in our preview podcast. Mm hmm. Yeah.

[00:56:37] And I think when you're trying to cram so much into your into your brain and you're only focusing on the episode as opposed to, as you indicated, like the extra components that come with Survivor, you are missing it because what we've already talked about in this podcast is the edit. You don't see everything with the edit. And and I feel like if you are new to the Survivor world, then you're not going to understand that the edit does hide things and the edit might not give you all of the information

[00:57:06] and you might not know everything that you need to know going into it. So I do think that that was a big part of her misunderstanding of the game as a whole, because she was relying so heavily on this binge component as opposed to necessarily understanding the game itself. Right. David has rules, but Survivor isn't one plus one equals two. You know, it's right. You see somebody say something to somebody else, thus this happened and then they went home. So that's why it happened.

[00:57:35] I think David was the reason why David and Lindsay went to home so long last week is that David's telling people you're watching this at home saying, you know, or you're watching this at home saying like Charity goes home because I mean, Chrissy goes home because she spoke up. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no, no, that's not why she went home. She was already going home. She was going home before she even got there. You know, but the show will lead you to believe like, OK, I guess I should just be quiet at tribal council. Right. Right. You know, like that kind of thing. So I think you're right. I think a lot of people watch your podcast specifically to get, you know, to figure out

[00:58:04] how to play the game. And I think that by doing that, they get that extra nuance in a lot of ways that like if you just watch the show that you won't get, you know, listen to the exit interviews and all that kind of stuff. You really don't learn. You just learn what the show wants you to see. And that could be what could be just a cooler version of what the show thinks you want to see. Right. Right. And we talked about, you know, on Survivor 44. I'm sure there are still people out there, not the people listening to this podcast, of course, who think Jamie and Lauren were do nothings who just sat there and went to their doom.

[00:58:34] You know, while the rest of us, you know, we know what actually happened there. Now, I do want to talk briefly about what led up to the vote in this episode. And we'll discuss more about what each other player was thinking in Appendix A. But for Star, she was trying to get Mitch, Mary and Camilla to do a 4-4 tie and was sure someone would flip because the other side would not want to go to rocks.

[00:59:00] And the thing is, and Jessica, I obviously don't have to tell you this. A tight alliance is a lot more likely to go to rocks than a ragtag group of people put together just because they aren't part of the other group. They're not going to risk their games for people that they're not dedicated to. And, you know, on top of that, and maybe especially for that, you know, Mitch was one of the people that Star was counting on and he was like, she's all over the place. She literally just wrote my name down. Yeah.

[00:59:31] Yeah. No, there is a lot to be said about coming to an impasse like that, where you do have two groups that are so solid that no one is willing to budge no matter what is said and no matter what concerns. And I know in that moment, I certainly did not want to go to rocks, but I also knew I can't flip because my game is done if I flip. Like I'm not winning. So who cares at that point? I can't flip.

[00:59:56] And I really do think that there is a lot to be said about that core group of four people who have kind of taken this stance that we're going to be strong and united together. No one is going to be flipping that if they get to rocks there, they're just going to, you know, who's going to flip? Mary's going to flip, you know, someone, someone else is going to flip because there's no reason for any of them to necessarily, as we've already said, Star had no one. She had no social capital.

[01:00:26] She had no one that was looking out for her. And so when you are asking someone to go to rocks, you are asking them to really like, you are all in in this moment and you're all in because you're so dedicated to this cause and that causes us. You don't have that when you do have, as you said, this ragtag group of people that have just kind of come together and decided this is what they want to do. If I'm in a dominating alliance here, right? The one that you're trying to take out by going to rocks.

[01:00:54] Who do I think y'all are trying to vote for? Because I think the initial pitch was supposed to be, we're going to vote for Joe and they're all going to vote Mary. So Joe is safe. Mary is safe. So if I'm Kyle, why, why am I going to rocks? You know, like Joe wants to work with me. And also like, we're not going to be able to get him out. Eva has an advantage. She might use her idol that we know about. You know what I'm saying? We also know about her safety, our power. So are we going to rocks?

[01:01:24] If she uses her idol, then yeah, sure. We can go to rocks, but Eva's safe. Joe's safe. So now the options are Shaheen, you know, Kyle, Mary. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, now was not an opportune time to do that. Because at best, Mitch will probably go. Camilla might go. You know, like you got two shots. You're getting either Shaheen or Kyle out, or you're losing Mitch, Camilla, or Star. It's like y'all aren't even in the advantage in the rock draw at that point, considering they have other advantages over there.

[01:01:52] So it just, it was never incentivized to me for anybody to do this plan anyway. It was just a bad plan. But for Star, it was all she had. Right. I wonder if they weren't pushing for the rock draw if she survives this and Mary just goes. You know, if she's just like, let's Mary go. And then maybe the pieces shuffle next week or next episode when it's at seven and people are more incentivized to flip. I don't know. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:02:20] And we talked about it a little bit earlier was Star kept saying she didn't understand in her interviews. She didn't understand why Eva kept mentioning her name. And then she even said something about how it would be better to get rid of snoring Mitch than her. And I think both of those things underscore some of the stuff we've already said. She, I just don't think Star really understood at least some of the strategizing that was going on around her.

[01:02:48] You know, we saw on the show one reason Eva was mentioning her name and it was because she wanted Mary to stick around, you know, one more day. That was on the show right before the interviews that Star was doing. So, you know, and you don't vote someone out for snoring. I'm sorry. You don't even suggest that you're going to vote someone out for snoring. That is not a strategic thing to do. So, you know, that just kind of those two things I view as kind of the cherry on top here for this rule.

[01:03:18] Yeah. I don't know if I'm Star, I'm thinking Mary's a bigger threat than me, you know, so it's kind of like, well, why am I coming up? You know, Mary's not in y'all's alliance. Y'all just blindsided her with David. Why do y'all need her? Y'all been saying. I'm talking about her asking it in interviews afterwards. Like, yeah. But even then, but even then, you know, like if they're if they're saying, OK, it's between Mary, Mitch and Star. So if I'm Star, I'm like, OK, I'm probably fine here. You know, like Mary was tied to David.

[01:03:44] Y'all y'all claim that Mary was the puppeteer making David do all this dumb stuff. So why are you coming after me? What is what am I doing? And it's so threatening to you. And I have yet to find out. That's why I said the edit is kind of it's awful because if we had seen people saying negative things about Star, you know, leading up to this, then I would be like, OK, here are the things that she's doing to rub these people the wrong way. But for here, it just kind of felt like, no, let's just make it Star. It was like, oh, OK, cool. We can. I'll have some other idea.

[01:04:12] I'll have some tidbits I found, I think, when we get to a couple of different places as we go along. But for now, let's get to the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. And I think the biggest issue here resolve revolves around different people saying that Star was chaotic. And now some of this did come earlier on to answer your question right away, Chappelle. You know, most of it was, you know, right now in this episode. But Mary said it.

[01:04:42] Shaheen called her a loose cannon. Charity called her unpredictable in her interview with Rob, you know, weeks ago. And there were other things. Now, every interviewer asked Star about this. I found this very interesting because you could almost determine the order that the interviews were done because her answers seem to get more focused throughout the day. Yeah. And so like when she talked to Mike Bloom, who must have been like the first one or if not

[01:05:09] the first, the second, she said she didn't understand where it came from because she mostly sat in camp and people just didn't want to take the time to understand her. Now, certainly the latter part of that, you know, may be true. And I'll come back to that in a minute. She told Dalton Ross that sometimes she would also try to get information from people and bring it back to her allies. So that's not chaotic. Except that, of course, when those other people talk, including those who weren't really her allies, I can understand how they would see it that way.

[01:05:38] And then she gave what I thought was a more interesting answer to Rob, saying it was because she knew what was going on and she saw who was working together and she was making sense and she would tell the others. Now, I'm not 100 percent sold on any of that, especially since we already discussed whether or not she really did know what was going on. But the important part that she's definitely right about is that once someone says your name

[01:06:06] in that kind of context, it is really hard to lose that label. And so even if she was by that point, by what she said to Rob, 100 percent, I think it goes back to what she told Mike about others not understanding her, because whether in real life or especially on Survivor, if someone starts saying a person is chaotic or a person is bossy or a person is lazy or a person isn't good at their job or whatever.

[01:06:34] It it starts to stick confirmation bias kicks in. Yes. And other people start to see it. I remember going back to my old job, you know, someone would start saying, you know, a boss would start saying, oh, well, that person's lazy. And then you'd always notice, oh, look, Dan's reading the paper again. Well, yeah, Dan's reading the paper. It's his break time. It's between 10 and 1015. Dan's allowed to read the paper. Then don't hold that against him.

[01:07:00] But the bosses would because they'd already been told he was lazy, you know, and it's a similar thing here. And it's even more the case, like on Survivor, you're looking for a reason to get rid of something. Yeah. Yeah. I really do think that there's like perception becomes reality. We say that a lot, too, where where people will start to notice things by others planting a seed, which I will say is great game and gameplay.

[01:07:27] If you are the type of player that can feed that type of information just to make people look at someone a little bit differently. So you're not necessarily throwing them under the bus, but you're just making an observation of this person like, oh, star seems to be gone a lot. Have you noticed that? Like and then all of a sudden you start noticing stars gone a lot. And then people are talking about star being gone. And so I do think that there's a lot to be said about those types of things developing because there's a little bit of information that's shared.

[01:07:56] And then that information continues. And also star is not necessarily helping herself in this regard either because she doesn't have someone that's defending her. As Chappelle's already pointed out, like no one had her back. And so no one is coming to her rescue and going, no, no, no, that's not true because of X, Y and Z. So it's so that so that narrative is just growing more and more because no one is is getting in the way of it because nobody has any reason to. Yeah.

[01:08:27] Whenever someone says the word chaotic, I always read that as it would be peaceful if people weren't scrambling. Right. And then you have the chaotic person is the one who's throwing out people's names. Right. Who's bringing up stuff, who's making people pay because how much chaos are you really doing at camp? If you're not just bringing up people's name and making people run off together. Right. And so star from her, her own words, what I'm saying, I'm seeing things happening and I'm taking that information. I'm trying to get that information and take it back to my allies. And to that, I say, what allies? Everybody is hearing their, everybody is hearing their name from star.

[01:08:56] Everybody is because she doesn't have any allies. If she says, I want Shaheen back to Joe, Joe's telling Shaheen. If she tells that to David, David's telling Shaheen. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, those are the things that that's the reason why to me, she's chaotic because they're like, for them, they just want to sit here, the final six, just pick off each other one by one, you know, and everything be fine. But they can't because now somebody's coming up. Hey, star said you were thinking about me or star said y'all were talking about, you know, something like that.

[01:09:24] So, yeah, I think when you don't have allies, everything you do is chaotic to the group that is shunning you, you know? So, yeah, I think she's right. And then like, yeah, that the exact thing that she's saying is like, oh, this is my asset is why the people don't want to work with you right now, because they're all linked up together. You're targeting the alliance and they're all aligned. You're just the only one not in it. Well, right. And then and then she was also doing things like the secret scene last week where she ran around asking people like Joe and Shaheen straight out. Who do you see in your final three?

[01:09:52] And then when they kind of tried to, oh, I haven't thought about it. She pressed him on it. Like I think Joe said, well, I haven't gone deep on it. She's like, well, go deep, you know, and and she, you know, even putting aside the conclusion she drew in describing this all to us, if I were another player and she just randomly came up to me and started being like, you tell me right now who you want in your final three. I do think chaotic is a word I might use, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's a little aggressive.

[01:10:20] It's a little it's it's a lot to be it would be different if you have that relationship. If Eve, if Evo goes to Joe and says, Joe, who are you thinking about final three? That makes sense because they have that relationship. They have that that they built that trust with each other. But to have star just going up to everyone and going, who's in your final three? That really puts them like on the spot. And no one wants to be on the spot when you're talking about something as significant as final

[01:10:47] three, because if star is not one of the people they're listing, then star is going to be like, well, then I want to vote for them because they don't want to take me to the end with them. And yeah, it's it's certainly not a great approach when you are trying to get to the final three. Great. Yeah. I mean, even going back again, you know, I had mentioned something that Charity said to Rob in her interview that that that she was unpredictable. She added star flips in a second.

[01:11:15] Well, then let's look at this because. You know, what did she do and say in terms of who she was targeting and working with in episode seven? She was plotting with Chrissy to get rid of the physical threats. Well, who does she end up working with? You said it, Chappelle, David, you know, and then this week star was blasting people who just wanted to go with the majority. And again, I think Chappelle, you just brought it up a little while ago.

[01:11:42] She literally told us last week, you got to go with the majority or you're going to be next. So if I'm hearing this, you know, day by day changing, I'm going to feel completely spun around here. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, now in our preview podcast, I mentioned that I foresaw an issue with star because her older sister and her sister's husband love survivor and gave her a list. What not to do, including things like look for idols, but don't make it obvious.

[01:12:12] Don't say a name. Let the name come to you. She certainly did not follow this, but she also knew ahead of time it would be a problem. And she said in her pregame interview, I'm here for the information. I'm here to tell you the tea. So that right there, I feel will be my downfall because I'm not going to hold back or I'm not going to hold anything back. Whatever happens on that camp, I'm going to tell it up in tribal council. And she did. Now, don't get me wrong. I loved it when she spoke up in tribal council because it was freaking hilarious.

[01:12:41] But she often said things that were probably better left unsaid, like emphasizing things that Chrissy and Camilla had said. And, you know, you know, Chrissy and Camilla are trying to say things a certain way. And then she just comes in and blows it all the way up. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. There's something to be said about not giving Jeff what he wants when you're in tribal council, like you eat a little bit. You don't need to give him all of it. And Star definitely was wanting to give it all to Jeff.

[01:13:10] Uncle Uncle JP. Uncle JP. And she didn't go to tribal council until the merge, y'all. Like she like imagine had she gone before that. You know, I don't think she's surviving one of those things, you know, just based on what we've talked about, like how does she get through the first tribal council? Unless somebody does something catastrophic and blows their game up. But, you know, she never, she really didn't have the mindset of like, how am I going to get from point A to point B, you know, in the preseason? You know, like when she's like, I'm probably not going to do that stuff.

[01:13:38] I was like, okay, well, it's not a winning strategy in the first place. You know, I think it's kind of like start off in a deficit and then like the whole just got bigger and bigger. I feel the same way about David and to a lesser extent Joe too. I feel like they don't really know the show well enough to be doing the stuff that they're doing. And so I was like, yeah, it's like, I feel like you're already, you gotta have a baseline knowledge. You need to be able to recognize Jeff Prok when you see him. Yeah. And again, you know, not to keep, you know, beating the drum on David here.

[01:14:06] I think the difference with him was, I don't know the game, but I am going to try to mold the game into what I think it should be. Right. I don't think we have necessarily Joe at least trumpeting that he's going to play his way, you know, and, you know, he hopes to win. And yeah, in some ways he's, he's shaping it, but he's not acting like he's not actively saying I am going to make people conform to what I want the game to be. And right. Right. You know, star isn't either.

[01:14:36] She's just, she's playing her game, you know? Mm hmm. So. All right. Well, the third rule tells players to be flexible. Jessica, how do you think star did here? Oh, well, very flexible considering. She was like, let's vote for this person. No, we'll vote for that person. I'm going to vote for this person now. I mean, and I think honestly, like she really didn't have a choice in, in the flexibility

[01:15:00] component because she had to be, she had no one with her who was actually her number one, her number two or number three. She didn't have the numbers, which then required her to have to be flexible, but because she was so flexible, then it turned into being perceived as chaotic. So it definitely was not a good balance that she found in regards to this rule because

[01:15:27] it did lead people to not trust her because she was so willing to consider all of the options no matter what they were. Be flexible, but not too flexible. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I agree. I just don't think she ever had the room to be like, this is my group and I'm sticking with them. Right. Right. What was the group? Where were they? You know, I don't think it ever existed. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The closest she came was the ragtag bunch that she tried to pull together this time. I think maybe David, Mary and star almost was a thing last episode.

[01:15:57] I think like that was that to me, that was the closest one. This was nothing. I don't think this was going anywhere from jump. Yeah. Well, but the thing is, we don't, what we don't really know is. Okay. David said he was cultivating a relationship with her, but did he intend to do anything with it or just use her and throw her aside? Yeah. Yeah. It probably would have been the first time someone had used her in a while. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the thing. Nobody, nobody was including her in anything, you know? I know, which is so weird.

[01:16:25] Well, and that leads to another part of the rule, which says you need to have your finger on the pulse of the tribe. And, you know, we've discussed already that star certainly believed she had a full read on everything that's going on. Yeah. But it wasn't actually the case. Yeah. No. Missing that. No notes. Yeah. All right. Well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. Now, Chappelle, do you think she made her decisions emotionally through strategy or something else?

[01:16:55] Well, it's hard to know because there are definitely times where like she's not in on a lot of strategic conversations anyway. We don't really see why, you know, a lot of the things she's doing happening, like it's happening, she's doing or whatever. But I remember when she gave Eva the idol, my instinct was, oh my gosh, she swept up in the emotion of what Eva had just gone through. Oh yeah. Right. What Eva and Joe had just, we had just seen this moment. I mean, the world was swept up in that moment. So I understood that, but I also was at home being like, no, don't do it. And then she says, hopefully it's an olive branch. I'm like, but did you do it because it was an olive branch?

[01:17:24] Or is it like, I did it and I hope that it helps, you know? And so I'm like, maybe there's a world where that was an emotional moment for her. I will lean toward that as well, because I think strategically just, you just don't do that. Not at that point in the game where you're at the bottom and you know you're at the bottom and you've been at the bottom. Like, I understand that you want to get out of the bottom, but the best way of doing that would be like to play your idol, you know, when you think the votes are coming, on you. And, um, you know, so, so that's why I was like, like, we didn't get a lot of emotion or, you know, anything out of just like, you know, exuberance from her.

[01:17:54] But I think in that moment, that was one of the times where I saw her and kind of thought like, oh, she's, she's kind of engulfed in what this is. Because to me, Eva being your biggest op, she could have done anything on that. And I would have never given her that idol, you know, like the same way star gives even the idol and even doesn't care. It's like, we're, we don't, we're not working together. So yeah, I understand that you're doing an emotional thing for me, but also you're not in my plans. So let's move on. And I feel like Eva's big moment should not, should not have swayed star to make that, uh,

[01:18:23] determination about the beware advantage. Mm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I feel like star was an emotional player in terms of just putting it all out there. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I want to say, other than that one, I want to say a lot of her decisions seem to be based in what she thought was good gameplay. Right.

[01:18:49] But then she had to go and admit in an interview that she really wanted Mitch out because of his snoring. Uh, and you know, when I saw the episode, I thought she was kidding, but then she brought it up again in the interview and she wasn't, I don't know, is wanting someone out for snoring. Is that emotional? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. I mean, wanting sleep, you know, I don't, you know, I don't know. Well, I think there is a lot to be said about someone who can just be so honest with how they

[01:19:15] necessarily feel about certain things, but that doesn't necessarily then turn into the decisions are being made because they are so honest with how they feel. And I, I do think that that was something that we learned about star is that she, she was going to tell you exactly what she thinks. And she was going to do it at tribal council in front of everyone. And so I think in stars world, that's just the way star is stars going to tell you what she thinks. And she's going to tell you how she feels and then she's going to make a decision.

[01:19:45] And so it's this weird, like intertwined component of just who she is as a person. And when you're lacking the strategic gameplay that needs to be developed with that, it then can have an appearance of, was that emotional? And was that on the wrong thing as opposed to a strategic reason? Because we've already talked about how she wasn't really making those strategic decisions. So it's tough.

[01:20:11] I mean, it's, it's tough with someone like her personality to really decide where that line falls, but it certainly, I think had an influence on how other people perceived her game. Yeah. All right. Well, the fifth rule reminds players, they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And while I think in real life star is probably an absolute blast and would never have to need to pretend to be nice.

[01:20:38] I do think that may have hurt her in the beginning of the game. And, and, you know, I think Chappelle, you brought this up earlier. Actually, you both might have like, she just assumed everyone would love her and she wouldn't need to put in work. And, you know, going back to her pregame, she said she didn't feel a need to talk about her story with people and they would just talk about whatever was happening in the game. Now, I think she eventually got past that.

[01:21:05] But again, if she went in thinking at the start, I do believe it hurt her. And of course, the other issue that impacted her was the situation again with the beware advantage and her apparently taking so much time away from everyone else. There, there seemed to be a fair amount of footage indicating that star wasn't around the group when they were having conversations or bonding or whatnot. Because remember when Joe made that big bonfire and everybody's like, everybody watching is like, where's star?

[01:21:34] Yeah, she wasn't there. So mean for them to do this without star. And it's like, I don't think they were being mean. I think just star wasn't around for a lot of the time. And yeah, Shaheen even said much like I did that she didn't seem to be ready for the social part of the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think like if you come in already, like we like you saying, like maybe not willing to share your story and all this other stuff. And then you're met with a wall as well. It's kind of like all those things happen at the same time. Right.

[01:22:04] It's like, right. She's not, she's not playing the social game as strong as she can, but then also they're forming alliances and now starting to push away from her. So they're like, Hey, let's go get a do a bonfire. And they don't even, it doesn't occur to them to go look for her either. You know, it's like, oh, let's just do a bonfire. Star's never here. You know what I'm saying? It's just normal. You know? Right. It's not like, yeah, it's like by, by kind of like isolating herself, she's like, it's like, um, they're all isolating her. She's isolating herself. And then they're also kind of like forming bonds away from her. You know? Um, we just don't get a lot of star in the season.

[01:22:33] So you have to wonder if she is having those conversations, you know, like I said that everything is bad and I stand by that, but, um, you know, we might find out afterwards, like, no, me and star had a really good relationship. It's like, well, how will we know? You know, but from what we've seen and what we've heard, nobody has ever said that we haven't heard anybody in any exit press go out and say like, Oh, well, you know, I, it was always me and star and blank. I haven't heard that from anybody. So yeah, I'd have to say that her social game was definitely lacking.

[01:22:58] And I do think that there is something to be said about how your personality is and, and the type of person you are socially outside of the game of survivor, because you cannot be that same person when you are playing survivor. And I feel like there was a disconnect here for star, which probably came from the binge watching of all of the seasons. No one is actually who they are when they play the game. You have to be yourself, but you also need to conform to those that are around you and

[01:23:27] you need to be very mindful of other people. And if, if she's just going into this game thinking, well, I've, I'm charming and everybody always loves me, I'll be fine. And doesn't think she has to work towards getting people to like her and work towards forming those relationships. You can kind of take the fact that like you were the popular kid for granted when you play survivor, because you just think, well, everybody's always liked me, so I'll be fine. And that's not the case when you play survivor, because everybody comes in with a big personality

[01:23:56] and everybody comes in with a reason why they've been picked to play this game. So you might not be as cool as you think you are once you get out on the island. And she might not be. I mean, I don't think she necessarily came in and this may even go to the way I phrased it earlier. I don't think she came in thinking I don't need to. I just think she didn't realize she needed to like, well, that's what I mean. Like, yeah, in regular life, I'm sure she makes friends and she's the life of the party.

[01:24:26] She's so good at it. So you don't have to. So she thinks I don't have to work at it when I get there because it will just be a natural thing I'm really just good at. But again, survivor is not real life. And you have to be mindful of that when you are going out there and trying to form these bonds. You can't be the way that you were at home and expect it to work. It's not going to work. Right. And, you know, Chappelle, you were talking about interviews like we didn't hear from anyone saying, hey, I was working real well with Star. We got the opposite.

[01:24:54] Like Thomas told Mike Bloom, I love Star, but she never truly opened up to me. And I think there was a moment when she started playing hard and going and looking for idols quickly, which created a very natural like, whoa, what are you doing? I wanted to work with her, but the idol thing made things so complicated. And I felt like she came to me last about the idol. So, again, this circles back to when you start telling people about your idol one by one, someone's last.

[01:25:20] You know, Thomas was last and was, you know, he remembered that. I do want to emphasize, you know, I loved what we got to see of Star's personality on the show. Yeah. Like her dancing up to the voting booth and then dropping them. That was hilarious. Her speaking up in tribal councils, while not a good idea, was fun to watch. And then on the more serious side, we saw her connect quickly with Cedric and give him

[01:25:46] a truly heartfelt pep talk after he felt bad about causing his team's loss. And I mean, when I saw that, I was like, come give me a pep talk when I'm down. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But while those things were all good, they didn't move her forward in the game. Instead, she sometimes went backwards, like with Mitch. You know, I mentioned earlier, Mitch was trying to build a relationship with her by teaching her how to swim. And then she votes against him. Mm hmm.

[01:26:16] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And people will remember that. And Mitch clearly remembered that. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean, Star, Star also, I think she votes out what say at that split tribal council or whatever. It's just like the people that she could have connected with, they were at the bottom. Like, yeah, like she was like letting them go, you know, like Cedric, you know, he goes, but that's not, that's not her doing. But Cedric and say going back to back is awful for Star, also awful for Chrissy, you know,

[01:26:44] but it's like everybody was on board with it to save themselves, you know? Yeah. Because then when they get to this point, they're like, oh, we're not playing the game. It's like, well, yeah, all the people that you would have played the game with, those are the last three votes. Yeah. Yeah. Those last three votes are the ones that you need to upset this power structure of six. It's like, bro, y'all know what number y'all merged it, right? Like, you know, like there is nobody else. So yeah, I agree. Like you got to make your connections, but you got to make sure that they're meaningful connections that you can use and then you can't let them go.

[01:27:12] You know, you need to be fighting for you and you need to be fighting for them too. I don't know. Right. She did actually mention that with Say too, that that was, that was the vote that she thinks she really messed up on. She should have tried to save Say. So yeah, I mean, hindsight is always 20, 20. Yeah. Now I do want to mention one question that many people have stemming from this week's episode is why Joe said stars his kryptonite. Yeah. Yeah. What does that mean?

[01:27:39] Here is, here is my feeling on this and I don't have any inside information. This is just my read. Okay. I think, and I do know a few firemen. So I'm, I'm kind of, you know, basing it around that too. I feel like he is used to dealing with people in a firehouse, calm, quieter people, solid people, you know, that, you know, you're not going to bust out into song in the middle of a firehouse.

[01:28:07] You're not going to do, you know, start, you know, doing crazy in his mind things. And star is boisterous and funny and singing. So, you know, I know Chappelle, you asked on blue sky, like someone tell me why I, I didn't see an answer that was good there. You know, and she didn't know in the interviews, this is my read on, on the situation. I don't know what you two think. I think that's pretty read.

[01:28:37] Well, my question, my question wasn't even aimed at so much Joe. It was more like if star has been doing things to annoy Joe, the show should have shown us that. Yeah. Like it's all of a sudden Joe's like, you know, my kryptonite is star. Right. It comes out of nowhere. Yes. Yeah. That was an issue. Like whatever the case may be, maybe, maybe she does, you know, like you said, her personality is very much not the same as his. Right. And he surrounded himself by, they seem a little bit more measured and calm in the game, you know?

[01:29:07] So I could definitely see him be like, I can't work with star because of that. But we never got that. We didn't get that. Right. We got it. This is my kryptonite. I was like, okay. Like, and she went to Joe first about the, the beware advantage. So you would say that there's like, gotta be something there that, that we would have seen or, or learned. But then yes, out of nowhere, all of a sudden. And he said it in such a way where he was like, you know, people back home are going to know. They're going to see this. They're going to see this. No.

[01:29:37] Give us something then. Like why? Why? That's a lot to say about someone. Yeah. And that's where I was going to say too. The same thing as you, Chappelle. It gets back to the editing this season. Like if, if you're going to drop a line like that in there, include the other part of the conversation. Right. You know, he didn't just say she's my kryptonite and leave it at that. He must have said at some point or another, why? Yeah.

[01:30:04] And if I'm hearing him say that on the Island, I would probably go, why do you say that? Right. You know, like is there something else to be missed? Right. And as far as the edit goes as well, when, when David and Mary, David has this moment, he loses that challenge. And then you get a shot of Kyle saying, yeah, it looked like for a second, David and Mary, Mary were. No, nevermind. I'm not going to say that. I was like, so why did y'all include that? What did it do?

[01:30:32] Like, I thought we were going to find out later on that there was a showmance or something like that. Yeah. We never get anything. We don't get any indication that we should be, we should care about that line. Yeah. And I thought like, my ears perked up. Like, what do you mean by that? You know? And the show just left it out there. Like, nope. Take whatever you will. It's like, all right. Yeah. Yeah. It was almost like, we're going to use this line to embarrass Kyle. Right. Or to embarrass David or, you know, David who is in a relationship, a relationship he talked about, you know? Right.

[01:31:01] Maybe he's going to make Mary look bad. Like, why did you do this? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Strange. No clue. Very strange. Yeah. It gets back to what we were talking about. The editing this season has been. It's trash. Not great. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we can go to the sixth rule, which warns against being too much of a threat. Chappelle, do you think? No. No. No. No. No. In no shape, form, or fashion, should they have been voting out star this week? Nobody should have voted out star this week. Nobody.

[01:31:31] Not one person on the tribe should have said star is the one to go. Maybe Mary, because she was the other option. But no. No. No. No. No. That's Twitter right there. Done. What are you trying to say? No. No. No. No. No. No. Yeah. No. You know, like, if you said, like, well, star is going to have one of those final three seats. No, she's not. No, she's not. She's not even in the main alliance. The one that's like, we're going to take out all these people one by one. She's not. She's not. They're not even entertaining taking her to the end.

[01:32:02] Right. She's not a threat. She's actually not a threat. She has not. She's not won any challenges. She does not have any advantages. We know that. Because she gave it away. And they pointed that out, too. They even said, like, she's she's not going to win an immunity. It's like, we don't need to worry about her. Yeah. Like, there is nothing about her existence that anyone is experiencing where they're like, she's a threat. She's kryptonite, apparently. But that's it. That's all we know. Kryptonite is a threat to Superman. OK. I'm right. Point that out. And maybe she's not an asset to anybody. And that's why they can let her go.

[01:32:32] But I will not call her a threat. Nope. Can't do it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the only person who could make that case a little bit is Shaheen, because he she keeps bringing up his name. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So what allies is like? OK, sure. You know. All right. That's right. No. All right. Well, I think that answers that one. So we can move on to Appendix A. That is amazing. Which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak and the strong and the weak and the strong.

[01:33:01] Now, last week, a strong player was voted out and a lot of people expected or at least hoped for the same thing this week. But no, it went back to where it should be. Someone who is in a strategically weak position, which is typical for this time frame. I think last week was more of an aberration caused by the way David acted. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, well, we have a whole two and a half hour podcast.

[01:33:27] Now, I suppose some people might suggest Star was strong because she wanted to start a revolution and called other people scared and weak for not going along with her. But that's just not the case. While she may not have been aware of their reasons for not joining her, they all have their own ideas. I talked about this earlier. I said I'd get to it here. So let's take a look and expand on what I mentioned earlier, and we'll see how much you guys agree with me here.

[01:33:58] Starting with Kyle and Shaheen, they are sitting quite comfortably in what I'll now call the strong four. While Kyle was open to the idea of other people taking out Joe, he didn't want to be seen as the one doing it, which, by the way, slight tangent here. When he says to Camilla, nobody can ever know. And Camilla is like, oh, nobody will ever know. I'm thinking you better damn well believe if you two are in the final three together, she's going to be like, he told me to do it, Joe.

[01:34:28] He told me to do it. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Camilla is like, oh, of course. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But aside from that, you know, Kyle and Shaheen, they are not stupid. I can almost guarantee they know Joe and Eva have to go. The question, as it so often happens, is when to do it. Because if they move too soon, they become the big new threats.

[01:34:56] And this is something we've seen season after season, especially in the new era. But even before that, if either of them took a role in getting rid of Eva, who, of course, was the only one of the two that was available to get now, they would instantly become Joe's number one target. He would focus all of his room. He would not care if he blew up his whole game as long as he took them down with. Yeah.

[01:35:21] So and I think that others who helped them take out Eva, if they had made this flip. Wouldn't care which side they took moving forward, they would help Joe, they would help them just so they could knock out all that former alliance. Yeah. And then again, there's the whole issue that if they wanted to target Eva, they would have had to do so with perfect secrecy to avoid her using her idol or safety without. Yeah.

[01:35:47] And Star isn't real good with secrets we've seen. Yeah. So I do think that that might have been. And even, you know, it's interesting because one of the points that Mitch made was not being able to pull off a move like that because he can't do it with people he doesn't trust. But Mitch is one of the ones that's going back and telling Shaheen stars throwing your name out, you know?

[01:36:11] So it's like so he's frustrated with not being able to trust these other people, this ragtag group that exists. But he's going and telling the strong alliance what's happening. He's telling the person he trusts, you know? Right. But it's just interesting that like there's this like concern like, well, I can't trust them. So I'm going to just throw them under the bus, you know, with the person that I can trust. Yeah. Yeah. Now, you mentioned one of you just mentioned star telling.

[01:36:39] I think a more likely person to tell actually this kind of just occurred to me. That would be Mary. Oh, sure. Because let's say that let's say that Kyle and Shaheen came in and said, Mary, we need you to, you know, we're all going after Eva. You know, Mary's going to turn around and go, hey, Eva, guess what? You know how you trust those guys? Well, you should trust me instead. And here's why. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very fair point. Yeah. I mean, unless you're like, Mary, why would you want David and Eva?

[01:37:07] I mean, Joe and Eva in the same in the games together, you know, as well. And then it's like, you also know that she has an idol. It's like, I think that, you know, for me, the allure of flushing that idol and that other advantage that I think Mary might be the only person who doesn't know about both of those because David was left out and maybe started to know about the other one, but everybody else knows. Yeah. And so maybe like to me, like, I know it would be tempting to go back and try to flip people, you know, flip Eva back to your side. But why would you want Eva in the game at this point? You know, what is she going to do?

[01:37:36] Because it gets Mary off the bottom. Well, that's the thing. If Eva goes here, then you have Joe versus a bunch of pairs. You actually have Joe versus Kyle and Camilla. And Shaheen doesn't know that. So Shaheen thinks it's Shaheen and Camilla, but also Shaheen and Mitch. And then you have Mary and Star. She's not seen that bad of a spot. You know, I don't think it's like as bad as it could be. And then you don't have Eva with the idol and the advantage as well and the potential immunity threat that she is.

[01:38:04] Now, Joe is a problem at that point, but all he can really do is win to save himself. And he can't, how is he not the biggest target on the board at that point? Who's voting? I would say who's voting out Mary over Joe, but they just voted out Star over Eva. So I don't know what I'm talking about, but at the same time, you know, I feel like that would give me more wiggle room. Maybe she doesn't feel like she has that connection or whatever. But personally, when you get to the point where an advantage is about to start wearing out, I just assume people are going to start to play them. And this is around the time where I'm like, we got to get these people out before they

[01:38:33] start to protect themselves a little bit more. So like I said, I don't know about like maybe this, the rock draw, that was kind of weird. Like, I don't think they should have, I don't think they would have done that. But if they had a clear shot at Eva or Joe this week, I definitely think they should have took it. Yeah, I just don't think they had that clear shot. Yeah. And I think they were waiting for a better time. And that's the thing. I think some viewers have been acting like this was the only chance they would have. And because they didn't do it now, that's it. It's over. There are still plenty of opportunities.

[01:38:59] And there are times when Eva won't have her trinkets anymore. It seems at the final five. Well, I guess I, I, I, I, I, well, at the final. Oof. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do think that it's interesting to think about Mary for just a second though, because there is a world in which Mary has potentially convinced herself that she will win if she

[01:39:27] gets to a final three, because you've got Joe telling her you're, you're the mastermind. It was because of, you know, David went because of you. So he's feeding her this information. You have Eva that was doing the same type of thing. And you also have Mary who has that. I'm the last one left of the Vula tribe. And I've survived all of these tribal councils. I've had to go through more than anyone has. I've been able to still formulate relationships and bonds.

[01:39:53] And you've got David sitting in the jury and David's going to be hating on anyone else who's sitting there except Mary. And so you could have the biggest advocate possible sitting in the jury for you. So there, there is a lot to be said about Mary's capabilities in a final three and what it could look like, depending upon how ultimately pissed off the people in the jury are about the people who are sitting there. I mean, they might feel offended. They might feel slighted. And we know David does.

[01:40:22] So it's, I do think that there's something, there's something about Mary. Yes. Yes. So moving on to Kyle, I think we've been left. With it as a question as to whether Kyle is willing to take these later opportunities when they arrive. Personally, I think he will. Yes. You know, I mentioned earlier, he had that confessional about what the jury might or might not like. And, you know, but he has to know he can't beat Joe and or Eva.

[01:40:53] And he also knows that Joe and Eva on their own cannot control the game. So, you know, moving forward, Kyle can help pick off people, whether it's Mary or Mitch, and then use his alliance with Camilla and maybe use Shaheen, maybe use Mitch if they go a slightly different way to turn on Joe and Eva at that point. You know, or just some variant of that, because this is something we've we've seen in other seasons.

[01:41:22] Like, when do I make my move? I don't want to make it too soon or else I get picked off, but I don't want to make it too late or else I can't. And we're in fire making. And, you know, Shaheen's in a similar position, I think, with his, you know, presumed relationship with Mitch. I just it'll be a question of what happens when. Yeah, but the when is running out of time. It is. But yeah, if Joe wins immunity next round, who's the biggest threat?

[01:41:52] Eva, right? Yeah. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Eva has two advantages. So now what is the biggest threat now? Is it Kyle? Is it Camilla? Are they still going to be like, I guess we got to get married? You know, like, we got to get rid of Mary. We got to get rid of Mary. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah, you're running out of pieces to make the move with. You know, you can't marry this time. If Joe wins the next immunity, then what? Well, Eva still has another advantage. There's that thing still. And then, you know, who's the biggest threat? Is it now Mary's gone? So is it Kyle? Maybe.

[01:42:23] Is it Shaheen? Maybe. You know? Yeah. Well, you're running out of space, you know? And so that's why I'm like, it'd be different if they didn't know about the advantages. I would be talking about this way differently because they wouldn't know that they need to be protecting. And that's a fair point. Yeah. They do know about them. And that definitely changes things for sure. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows what's going to happen? I want to live in a world where they do make the thing, but they make the move. But also, Survivor is funnier when people are mad. People would be mad if they don't do it. I kind of like that. Yeah.

[01:42:53] Yeah. I was not rooting for David to go home last week. I was like, no, he gets people going. Let them stay. Yeah, he does. He definitely gets people started. You know, viewers would be mad for a whole different reason. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I was going to go through and also talk about like Mitch and Camilla and stuff, but I realized we've already talked about them before. We've talked about why they didn't go to the rock draw. We've talked about where they stand. And so the one thing I will say is that, you know, when Mary approached Mitch, she said,

[01:43:22] are you willing to go to rocks? Because instead of being at the bottom of an alliance of six, you could be at the top of an alliance of four with her, Camilla and Star. And I immediately wondered, what does it mean to be at the top of the alliance when he was literally the last person that Mary asked? Yeah. And, you know, it's is there really a top to that four person alliance? No, they're all equals at that point. I don't think it goes at best.

[01:43:52] They're equals. At worst, he's at the bottom, which is probably where he was. And, you know, it doesn't do any good for him to go from the bottom of one alliance to the bottom of another. Right. I mean, but the bottom of four just puts him in fire at the final travel. If they make it that far. Yeah. If they make it that far. Yeah. So awful pitch. It's just like, how are you? Yes. OK, we come. He come with us. We draw rocks. Shaheen goes here. Now, what does that do for Mitch's place in the game? Not much. Even Joe are still there.

[01:44:22] Kyle's still there. Camilla's still there. Like, you know, it's like it's like it's OK pitch. It just it doesn't yield enough result for well, to actually care about it. Right. Yeah. And he you know, let's say that someone did flip and therefore Shaheen, the target was gone. Well, he's lost the one person that he seemed to be working with. And if not, if they all stuck to it and went to rocks. Well, then it was more likely that someone in the ragtag group, including possibly himself, could be gone.

[01:44:50] So that certainly doesn't help. So, yeah. It's not great. No. All right. We'll go on to Appendix B quickly here, which does deal with the jury phase. And we talked earlier about Joe and Eva's clumsy and obvious attempts in this regard. But here's the thing. They were both trying to get Mary on their side. Hmm.

[01:45:13] And so this goes back to a little bit, you know, the question that was asked at the very beginning, why star instead of Mary? Hmm. And I really do think as much as it seems like a little thing, if you're telling Mary, if you are two different people who seem to have a lot of control in the alliance and you're two people saying, Mary, we'll keep you for one more vote because we like you and we want to be honest with you.

[01:45:42] And, you know, they're just sucking up to her for her jury vote. And if all it costs them is keeping Mary instead of star in a split vote, why not? Why not do it? And I really think that was a big part of the deciding factor between Mary and star. Well, and also Mary doesn't have her shot in the dark either. So I think that that's a small consideration as well, because they know that they don't need to worry about that. Yeah.

[01:46:12] Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, star is Joe's kryptonite. So he just can't allow that to stick around. Although he seemed to win challenges with kryptonite around. So that metaphor seems to fall apart there. Still haven't figured out what he meant. Yeah. We'll be waiting for the exit press on that. Please, Joe. I mean, somehow I doubt anyone. I don't think anyone will even remember to ask him that. You know, they better. You know? Yeah. We want to know. Inquiring minds want to know, Joe. So please.

[01:46:42] Right. What does that mean? All right. Well, with that, it is about time to wrap things up. So Chappelle, what are your final thoughts on star? Uh, man, I think star would have been a great character if we had seen more of her. I think that I like what we did see. But I think I also think that if star is this big personality, you know, hiding it behind David talking about milk, you know, it's really just kind of like, I really, we missed that. That's the, we, we missed that on star for that, you know, or, or like, I like not in heel, you know, it's like, okay, cool.

[01:47:12] But like you make David a big character that was well liked to have this like massive, you know, like drop in popularity over the last two episodes. Whereas like star, we kind of liked her from the beginning. And then we see like, we give her visibility spike in this episode. We like her even more. And now of course we're all mad because we're like, wait, not only did they not make a move, but we also lost somebody who was entertaining as well. So I think star, I don't ever want to see star play survivor again. I think it's too stressful for me. I don't want it. I don't think her head's in the game. And so, but, but I like what we got. I like what we got.

[01:47:41] I think that she did well. I don't think that there's a lot of worlds where she would get this far in most seasons of the Robert, if she loses one challenge in the pre-merge, I think she's gone. And so making it here. Yeah. I think this is the value. If I think this is the high point of what you can get from star on survivor. Jessica, before you go, I do want to make a comment. Last week we saw star had a scene where she, after the swimming scene, she said, Jeff, when you call me next time, I'm going to be a swimming star or a swimming expert.

[01:48:10] And I was like, see, this proves, this proves that she's coming back on survivor 50. And so I posted a video about that on my, uh, on my YouTube, Instagram, and Tik TOK. And people started arguing. Like I was serious. I thought I made it pretty damn clear that I was joking about this. I did not really think this was true. And I had to post to one of the Facebook groups where I put this, like, I'm joking people. And one person came back and said, well, I thought it was pretty obvious.

[01:48:39] I'm like, yeah, you did. But apparently these other people did not. Oh my God. Jessica, when you come back on 50, you got to align with star or else. Yes. I know. I, I have to, I mean, this is happening. Yeah. I'm going to take that clip, post it on social media and use that as proof. The word, you know, and I are in an alliance. That's putting it out there. Everybody. Yeah. You heard it right here. Right. Rock star. It'll be. She's wearing the shirt. Y'all.

[01:49:09] I'm not making this up. You will literally be the rock star Alliance. It's perfect. All right. Uncle JP, let's make this happen. Okay. All right. This is happening. Oh my goodness. I will say that I, I appreciate star for so many reasons, but I always love in the pregame press when they're asked like about their superpower and what they think their superpower is going to be. And she thought it would be her charm.

[01:49:36] And she actually said, I got a good way with words. I'm a person that really doesn't have to think before they speak because the words just come out so naturally. And I think that's a good quality to have. Of course, sometimes I do have to think because you can't just say everything, which this is where we fall into that little bit of an issue with star, right? Where she did kind of say everything and not necessarily at the best times that would have allowed her game to flourish and move forward.

[01:50:05] So I do think that star came into this game wanting to be a great survivor player, but she was basing that desire to be a great survivor player on limited information. And that limited information was the binge watching of all of the seasons and a really crammed amount of time, not allowing herself to really process and truly understand how she needed to play. She talked about Sandra being one of her favorite players and that she thought that she could emulate things like her.

[01:50:36] That's a that's a big lift right there. That's a really big lift. And while I can appreciate stars personality, I don't see her having that type of personality in order to play this game. So while I think that we had some great fun moments with star and she gave us a lot of really interesting commentary and funny things to laugh about and also appreciate her gameplay was just lacking. And unfortunately, she didn't have a Chappelle said the social capital she needed to really

[01:51:04] push herself through this game because she got caught up, I think, in the idea of what survivor is as opposed to what actually survivor is. So star, you were truly entertaining. But listen, you and I rock star season 50. It's going to happen. So we'll spread that rumor. And there we are. Those are my thoughts on star. Jessica, you just mentioned something that reminded me, you know, Mike Bloom asks, or maybe it's in the regular pregame interviews. You know, everybody, what is your superpower? What is going to be your kryptonite?

[01:51:34] So really what we need to do is go back to Joe's pregame interview. You've solved it. What's the kryptonite? Why did he say his kryptonite was? I well, while you were talking, I pulled up. Yeah, I pulled up my summary and I didn't have it mentioned there, but I don't have the full thing. So maybe that's the answer after the podcast. That is the answer. We're finding this. That is the answer. All right. Well, I loved every minute star was on the screen, but that was for entertainment value, not strategy.

[01:52:04] She believed that she had the strategy aspect down pat and knew what was going on all around her. As I mentioned earlier, Kyle said star talked like she was the godfather. She had faith and exuded it, but her faith wasn't backed by facts. She probably got a few things right, but not enough to truly be able to use that information to maneuver. Plus, she even said in her interviews that when she came to people and told them what was happening, they didn't listen. They were there were likely a few reasons for that. One, they weren't aligned with her.

[01:52:34] So why would they listen to her? Two, she may well have been telling them things they already knew, but we're OK with like, hey, that person, those people are together. And they're like, yeah, we know. Three, we talked about how at least some of them saw her as chaotic. So they may have just chalked it up to that. Or indeed, the times when she said things like this might well have been part of the reason they described it that way in trying to stage her revolution. Star said she had spirit and spirit goes a long way.

[01:53:04] But it really doesn't in Survivor strategy and relationships will get you much, much further. She could have all the spirit in the world, but it wasn't going to convince Mitch to make a move that he deemed as going against his interests. And whatever plans people like Kyle and Shaheen have going on to overthrow Joe and Eva star wasn't a part of them. So all her spirit also wasn't going to make them change their minds about that. Star said sometimes people are scared and weak when you're trying to start a revolution,

[01:53:33] adding the whole point of Survivor is fighting until you can stay alive and keep fighting for the million dollar prize. She was sort of right about that part. The whole point is fighting to stay alive and getting your opportunity to go for the win. For the other players, she wanted to do that. But risking your game on a rock draw to save someone you don't trust didn't fit into that. Making an unnecessary move now that would draw attention and make you a target too soon goes against that idea.

[01:54:03] Star was on the bottom in large part thanks to things that happened early in the game. She acknowledged that by the time she talked to people in her original tribe, they already made tight bonds with other people. But that's because of how she chose to play the game at that point. Whether it was specifically because of the beware advantage or as she said, she thought everyone was getting along well so she didn't want to talk strategy. Either way, she essentially put herself in that position. She thought she might have found a way out of it when she handed the idol over to Eva.

[01:54:32] But pretty much as soon as the merge hit, she was right back on the outside again, if not soon. And the one person on the inside who wanted to keep her around a bit longer was the same guy who told others they weren't allowed to have side alliances and got himself voted out last week. That left her in an untenable spot. Almost everyone had their own plans to move forward. But her only hope was to get them all to drop those plans and join the revolution. But she didn't have the social or strategic standing to make it happen.

[01:55:03] And that is why Star lost. Here we are. So, all right. Well, before we get to our predictions for next episode, I do want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available in poster form or in poster on a t-shirt form or checklist on a t-shirt form.

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[01:56:25] The questions I have are more about, you know, Jeff. He's tying people up more often, you know, that kind of thing. Those are the questions I ask on Club Condo. So check that out on RHAP too. But David and Jessica, thank you all so much for having me. Oh, absolutely. Oh my gosh. Yes, this is great. We're still getting into your predictions. I like the strategic Chappelle. This is nice. I enjoy this very much. He's about to go to bed. He's done. He's done. He's done. And I won't make another strategic claim for the rest of the season probably, but this was so much fun. Good. Very good.

[01:56:55] Well, listen, you can also look for me on Blue Sky Twitter at JessicaLewis89. I'm also on Instagram at JessicaLewis6789. I am not nearly as in the social sphere as you heard Chappelle talk about all the places you can find him. And David Bloomberg, who is also someone who is all over the social scene. So much so he has a link tree that allows you to find all of the places that you can find everything. David Bloomberg. So David, take it away.

[01:57:24] Yes, you can find me all my accounts on link tree slash David Bloomberg, or you can find me more directly on Blue Sky is at David Bloomberg. You know, go to Blue Sky, leave the other place, leave the bad place, come to Blue Sky. Also, as far as videos, I've been posting three, sometimes more on YouTube or every day on YouTube, TikTok and Instagram is at David Bloomberg TV. Right now, they're almost all Survivor 48.

[01:57:52] Last week was mostly ripping apart David in different ways, which a lot of people seem to enjoy, really, judging by the numbers. I also have, you know, a couple of videos for Netflix's Battle Camp, which Chappelle, I know, you covered and one of the videos I posted, I believe you caused. Apparently, you caused Trey to act the way he did. And then everybody hated him for playing a game in the game. That was me. Yep. Yep.

[01:58:22] That's how he acted on Squid Game. And I told him, don't do that again. Don't embarrass me. And so he stepped it up. I was proud of Trey and his chaotic gameplay. Yes. But for some reason, I guess the rest of the most of the rest of the people there saw the camp and thought that's literally where they were. They weren't there to battle just for camp. And then I'll also probably have some videos on the Genius Game from the UK. Speaking of which, I will be back co-hosting the Tradar podcast special coverage of the Genius Game.

[01:58:52] The show has two episodes per week. We'll be doing one podcast to cover each of those two. So watch for that probably Sunday night. Excellent. So with that, we have predictions. I'll go ahead and go first. Oh, I love this. Good. Unless either of you want to. Go ahead. Yeah, I know Jessica doesn't want to.

[01:59:17] So from the preview, we saw more of Kyle saying he doesn't want to hurt people, but then also adding that every path harms someone. And this suggests to me that maybe he realizes he's going to have to make his move soon. No matter what, no matter who it hurts, he's got to make a move. We also saw Mitch saying we need to get them to flip and Mary telling Shaheen there's a move to be made and then Mary getting pissed off and taking it out on a coconut.

[01:59:47] So trying to read into what the preview is not telling us is made a little bit more difficult because of the contradictory scenes involving Mary. Does she say something that could make Shaheen go along with it or does she get frustrated because nobody will? That one's a tough call, but we've been talking about this a bit. Final seven is typically a place where the group could cause a big flip.

[02:00:15] But then we have Eva's trinkets. If she and Joe get any hint that something could be happening, even if neither of them win immunity, the immunity challenge, she can peace out a tribal council and give Joe the idol. Yeah. Yeah. So it's possible a flip could happen in secret. It would need to be super tight lipped.

[02:00:42] They would not be able to tell anyone because of that. My immediate instinct is to once again, predict that Mary goes. I mean, I've been predicting it this many times. Why not just go again? Yeah, but I'm going to try for something different this week. Oh, OK. Mostly because I don't want to get yelled at by Brooklyn's ed. But after those two confessionals by Eva. I think enough people are indeed going to come together against her and manage to fool her

[02:01:12] and Joe. I think that they are going to not believe they need to play anything. And I think Eva is going. Yeah, that's your winner pick. I know. Hmm. Oh, that's spicy, David. I like that. That is spicy. I like it too. I like that. It's chaotic. I like that. I like the chaos. Because also, if you get through that, then the next round, oh, we get angry, Joe.

[02:01:41] You know, like Joe's going to be furious. And that, that's the kind of TV I need. And so I'm like, yeah, I need that. I need that. Don't vote out Joe before Eva. Send Eva and have her sitting over there on the jury looking at him. And he's like, they're making eyes across the room. Give me that. Give me that. I need that. Yeah. I will say, though, there was one very interesting statement that was made by Joe where I don't know if he said it to Eva, but he definitely said it.

[02:02:10] And it was, I will like essentially I will lose my game for you. Like he put that out there. And so I would be very fascinated to see what would happen if there was any sniffing out of something about going against Eva and that Joe really does put his game completely on the line for her. That would be fascinating. That would be fascinating.

[02:02:38] She could play the idol and save him, but he's like, no, it's OK. Keep it for yourself. I will burn the Internet down. But I feel like there's going to I feel like that moment is going to happen. He is going to lose this game for her. That's what I'm predicting. Not necessarily this next vote, but that's what I think is going to happen is that Joe is literally he's going to give her immunity. He's going to do something to save her because he actually said that out loud that I would I will lose this game for her.

[02:03:07] So I'm going to go with the easy prediction and say it's Mary. I just feel like, you know, I like we want all of this like deliciousness to happen, but I feel like they're going to be so afraid of all of the trinkets and these things. And if if it's the next vote that allows her to have safety for that power, that's the only time she can use it. Right. Like it's so then they're like, OK, if we get if we get past that, she doesn't have it anymore. Then we're down to just the idol. I don't know.

[02:03:37] I just feel like I feel like that's that's just where I'm going to be because I want to I want to see Joe like blow up his whole game for her. I just think that would be like TV. It would be great. This is what I'm saying. He's so entertaining. Yeah. Hmm. OK, I'll pick something else then. I think that he's going to win immunity. Joe is going to be Joe is going to be exposed. But like David said, they're not going to think that anybody's coming for Joe.

[02:04:06] Eva has this safety without power. So she's going to use it because she can only use it at seven and she's going to leave Joe with the wolves and they're going to vote him out. And then she's going to find out when I get back to camp, when Joe doesn't walk up, that the alliance of four that strong is no more. Oh, love that. OK, these are great predictions. All three are good. You are like super spicy. You should be writing this season, whether it happens this way or not. We should be writing this.

[02:04:35] We should be because this is so much more interesting. Oh, my God. It would be so good. That would be crazy. Yeah. Be absolutely crazy. You know, she's just like, bye. And she takes her idol with her and like doesn't even. Yeah. Because they're so locked in. There is no reason why she would even give it to him. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or or like Jessica says, he says, no, I don't need it. Don't give it to me. I don't need it. Keep it. You need it. Yeah. Yeah.

[02:05:04] It gets you through the next one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's see. All right. Well, as we wrap up, I want to encourage people to check out the R.H.A.P. The patron program at Rob has a website dot com slash patron where you can get access to all the special podcasts that are put out just for patrons, including one I believe you do, Chappelle, during the Big Brother season, which is going to start putting me behind a paywall more often, David. I said they're going to start putting me behind a paywall more often, David, because

[02:05:33] yeah, during the Big Brother season. Yeah. I get to say a little bit more. If if Club Condo moves behind a paywall, we're going to have a good time. That's all I'll say. So, yes, there's that. And there's many other patron only shows, plus Facebook groups, Discord, the good Facebook groups, not like the one I was talking about. I mean, that's a good group, too, but it has some people in there who are questionable. You can support shows like ours and everything on the network by becoming a patron at Rob has

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[02:06:29] And we would like to thank the whole RHAP team, especially Scott, Jess and Doug for all of the incredible work that you do with the editing, not just for the Why Blank Lost podcast, but all of the content that you just heard David mention. You all do such amazing work and you provide so many avenues for people to listen and love and appreciate the shows that they like to watch with all of this great content. Thank you also to Will from America for the theme song that plays on the audio portion of the Why Blank Lost podcast.

[02:07:00] And Chappelle, thank you so much for joining us. This was absolutely lovely. You have such a way about you and all of the podcasting worlds that you exist in. So it's great to see this side of Chappelle. This has been absolutely so much fun. So thank you for joining us. This has been great. Yeah. Thank you all for having me. Like I said, first time, but I'll come back. It'd be fun if y'all want to have me. I'll come back. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. Great job. This has been a pleasure. It really has. Yeah. Let me add my thanks. It was a lot of fun.

[02:07:31] And, you know, Jessica, happy to have you back. So, you know, thank you for returning to us here. And, you know, we will see everyone in a week or on social media before then. Make sure to watch Club Condo for, you know, coming on Monday. And we'll see everyone soon. Bye. If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around.

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