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[00:01:05] I'm David Bloomberg.
[00:01:06] And I would have been more upset than Kyle to win those buffalo chicken wings.
[00:01:10] I'm not vegetarian.
[00:01:12] I just can't stand buffalo chicken.
[00:01:15] Are you kidding me right now?
[00:01:17] He's actually right about that.
[00:01:18] Yeah.
[00:01:19] And you too?
[00:01:20] I hate it.
[00:01:22] Well, and I was going to say, listen, my co-host Jessica Lewis lives less than 300
[00:01:28] miles from Buffalo, so she may have a different opinion on this.
[00:01:32] I'm like an hour from Buffalo and I hate it.
[00:01:35] Ah, and that other.
[00:01:36] Hold on.
[00:01:37] Let's let that other voice that you hear if you're not watching is our special guest
[00:01:42] who loves chickens and birds in general.
[00:01:45] Omar Zaheer.
[00:01:46] Hello.
[00:01:47] Hello.
[00:01:48] Thank you for having me.
[00:01:49] Um, I might be about to lose this podcast given the news, but.
[00:01:55] See about that.
[00:01:57] And Buffalo chicken wings.
[00:01:59] Really?
[00:01:59] I don't like, I don't like the tangy weird flavor to it.
[00:02:03] It's too much.
[00:02:04] That's, that's the best part of it.
[00:02:06] It's the tangy.
[00:02:07] Sour.
[00:02:08] It's actually, it's not the tang.
[00:02:09] It's the, it's like sour.
[00:02:10] It's disgusting.
[00:02:11] I want the spiciest.
[00:02:15] Hottest, juiciest, like dripping chicken wing you can think of.
[00:02:19] And I'm a happy girl.
[00:02:21] Yeah.
[00:02:21] And you're the worst thing I've ever heard.
[00:02:23] I hate spice.
[00:02:24] I, I'm the worst Indian you'll ever meet.
[00:02:27] Oh my God.
[00:02:28] The problem is.
[00:02:29] I told you to.
[00:02:31] It's so annoying because I'll order.
[00:02:33] I would say, can I please, um, excuse me, can I have a mild butter chicken?
[00:02:36] But then they'll see me, they'll see my name and then they'll give me Indian mild.
[00:02:41] But I mean white mild, like that's what I want.
[00:02:44] And I have to specify, please.
[00:02:46] Very mild.
[00:02:49] That's hilarious because I, I will be the person that's like shocking the individual.
[00:02:54] That's either making my food for me or I'm like, if it, if you think there's too much,
[00:02:59] you need to put more like, that's the type of person I am.
[00:03:01] Like I want it spicy.
[00:03:03] Oh yes.
[00:03:03] I'm the one chip challenge was nothing for me.
[00:03:06] So I'm like multiple times.
[00:03:09] Cause they'll be like, are you sure?
[00:03:11] Yeah.
[00:03:11] Are you sure?
[00:03:12] That's actually happened to me.
[00:03:13] They take one look at me and they're like, really?
[00:03:17] Are you sure?
[00:03:18] I'm like, yes, I'm sure.
[00:03:19] Please.
[00:03:20] Like my daughter too.
[00:03:21] They'll be the same way.
[00:03:22] Like my daughter and I will both order something with like extra spice.
[00:03:25] And they're like, hmm, I don't know.
[00:03:28] No, we're good.
[00:03:29] It's fine.
[00:03:29] What needs to happen is you two need to go to an Indian restaurant together and order
[00:03:33] meals for the other.
[00:03:34] Oh yeah.
[00:03:36] That's actually, that's a perfect swap.
[00:03:38] Yeah.
[00:03:38] That is a perfect swap.
[00:03:40] It's good.
[00:03:40] Yeah.
[00:03:41] That's a great idea.
[00:03:44] But I, but I guess we won't be ordering chicken wings because you wouldn't eat them anyway.
[00:03:48] So well, if they were Buffalo.
[00:03:50] Oh, so it's, it's just the Buffalo.
[00:03:52] Yeah.
[00:03:53] Yeah.
[00:03:53] Like I love like teriyaki wings or mild barbecue or honey garlic.
[00:04:01] Mild barbecue.
[00:04:03] Barbecue.
[00:04:04] It's not spicy.
[00:04:05] It can be.
[00:04:06] It comes in mild, medium or severe.
[00:04:08] I don't want severe or medium.
[00:04:11] Yeah.
[00:04:13] Well, all right.
[00:04:14] Well, this is a, this is a fine podcast about chicken wings.
[00:04:17] Yes.
[00:04:17] So, well, I mean, I mean, you mentioned severe and, you know, I made a video about the Kyle
[00:04:24] situation and some people pointed out that he might get a stomach ache because he hasn't
[00:04:30] eaten meat in so long.
[00:04:32] Uh, you know, I was thinking he would have severe reaction, uh, you know, digestive issues
[00:04:39] just from the Buffalo sauce.
[00:04:41] That's possible.
[00:04:42] What I don't understand though, is why would he have bid on anything that he couldn't actually
[00:04:46] see what it was?
[00:04:47] I think because impulse control clearly.
[00:04:52] Yeah.
[00:04:53] Yeah.
[00:04:53] I mean, Sam was looking out for him.
[00:04:55] Sam was like, hold up, time out.
[00:04:56] There's meat under there.
[00:04:58] And I was like, wait, Kyle's not even thinking about that.
[00:05:01] Yeah.
[00:05:01] I think it, I think it's probably a couple of things.
[00:05:04] One, you got to get rid of your money.
[00:05:06] Well, we'll talk about this part.
[00:05:08] You got to get rid of your money.
[00:05:09] Uh, he may have been thinking they would, uh, adjust to him much like they gave him a
[00:05:18] veggie dog earlier in the season, which didn't look like food, by the way.
[00:05:23] I don't know if we ever addressed the fact that the veggie dog looked like us, like a
[00:05:26] rolled up.
[00:05:27] No veggie dog looks like, um, no.
[00:05:30] Well, they can be good.
[00:05:32] I mean, I, I often order a veggie dog at a restaurant I go to frequently.
[00:05:39] And it looked like that.
[00:05:42] No, it looked good.
[00:05:43] It come in.
[00:05:44] Yeah, this, I can't.
[00:05:45] That one did not look as well.
[00:05:46] It did not.
[00:05:47] You shouldn't be allowed out of your house.
[00:05:54] It's healthier.
[00:05:54] That's it, Bloomberg.
[00:05:55] You've been putting your place.
[00:05:59] We're going to go get some indoor food.
[00:06:01] It's always to go.
[00:06:01] I don't really go out of my house.
[00:06:03] So, you know.
[00:06:04] Fair.
[00:06:05] Fair.
[00:06:06] Fair.
[00:06:06] Okay.
[00:06:07] I'm so sorry to our listeners.
[00:06:08] Okay.
[00:06:09] What else can we talk about?
[00:06:10] Well, you know, chicken wings did play a big role in this episode.
[00:06:13] So.
[00:06:13] And honestly.
[00:06:14] Yes.
[00:06:15] Yes.
[00:06:16] Because Sierra didn't want to eat the chickens.
[00:06:17] So there is a little bit of a theme here.
[00:06:20] Okay.
[00:06:21] I wonder if the chickens were those wings.
[00:06:27] How terrible would that be?
[00:06:29] She, what did she call it?
[00:06:31] What was the name?
[00:06:32] Miss pepper or something.
[00:06:33] What did she name the chicken?
[00:06:34] Miss peppers.
[00:06:36] I think there were three.
[00:06:37] So what are the other ones?
[00:06:38] Just chopped liver.
[00:06:39] I don't understand.
[00:06:39] But also.
[00:06:41] Kyle.
[00:06:42] He's like, I like the, I like the wing part.
[00:06:45] And picks up the radius ulna.
[00:06:47] They're all the wing.
[00:06:49] Kyle.
[00:06:49] Yeah.
[00:06:49] Parts of humorous.
[00:06:51] It's not anything different.
[00:06:52] And that bothered me.
[00:06:54] As a veterinarian.
[00:06:58] I was wondering.
[00:06:59] That knew it was a plate.
[00:07:00] So educational.
[00:07:01] It was a plate of chicken wings.
[00:07:03] And he said, I like the wing part.
[00:07:04] And I'm like.
[00:07:05] Well, I bet you there's not.
[00:07:06] There's not a 0%.
[00:07:07] It's a non-0% chance.
[00:07:09] He maybe thought that the drumstick is a leg part.
[00:07:12] Ah, a real drumstick.
[00:07:14] Hmm.
[00:07:14] Interesting.
[00:07:15] Okay.
[00:07:16] The things that you will learn on today's podcast.
[00:07:18] I mean, you know.
[00:07:20] He hasn't.
[00:07:21] He hasn't eaten meat in like over six and a half years.
[00:07:23] Or something.
[00:07:24] So, you know.
[00:07:25] I think he would still.
[00:07:25] He should at least be familiar with the parts of a chicken.
[00:07:29] Because at some point in his existence.
[00:07:31] I mean.
[00:07:31] They didn't even know how chickens reproduced on this show.
[00:07:34] So.
[00:07:35] Okay.
[00:07:35] I think that.
[00:07:36] All right.
[00:07:37] That it's fair.
[00:07:38] We're going to talk about that for just a minute.
[00:07:40] Because I can appreciate the fact that we have someone in your field now on the podcast.
[00:07:45] I have never understood the idea when people are on Survivor and they get chickens.
[00:07:51] They're like.
[00:07:51] They're going to lay so many eggs.
[00:07:53] I'm like.
[00:07:53] No, they're not.
[00:07:54] Yes, they will.
[00:07:55] They are not going to lay any eggs.
[00:07:56] I mean.
[00:07:57] Come on.
[00:07:58] They're not going to lay eggs.
[00:07:59] Because they are not in the correct environment.
[00:08:00] They're going to be stressed out.
[00:08:02] They're not going to be laying eggs.
[00:08:04] Oh, I disagree.
[00:08:05] If it's done properly.
[00:08:06] You disagree?
[00:08:06] If it's done properly.
[00:08:08] If it's done properly.
[00:08:09] But that's the problem.
[00:08:11] That's because these people don't know what they're doing.
[00:08:12] What they need to do, actually.
[00:08:14] Part of the problem, though, is on the show.
[00:08:16] I found out from the inside source that they do not give them chicken feed.
[00:08:20] So they're just eating the bugs and shit in the environment.
[00:08:23] That is part of the problem.
[00:08:24] Because they do need some calcium.
[00:08:27] But.
[00:08:27] The inside source was Twitter.
[00:08:29] Because I saw that.
[00:08:29] Yes.
[00:08:30] They.
[00:08:31] I forgot that was also out there.
[00:08:34] They also are keeping them in these small cages.
[00:08:37] They need to actually just let them out.
[00:08:39] The birds will come back for food.
[00:08:41] And if you feed them, they will, like, come to you.
[00:08:45] They're not stupid.
[00:08:46] And they just need an area that's private.
[00:08:49] With a little bit of grass.
[00:08:51] That they can go into and lay their eggs every day.
[00:08:54] Because these breeding hens.
[00:08:57] Or these laying hens.
[00:08:58] They ovulate every single day.
[00:09:00] If they're in a safe environment.
[00:09:02] Conditions are correct.
[00:09:04] And this is the part that I'm always just fascinated by.
[00:09:07] That they're.
[00:09:08] One.
[00:09:09] And individuals on Survivor don't know the difference between a hen and a rooster.
[00:09:14] So that's always interesting.
[00:09:17] Because I'm just like, eat the rooster.
[00:09:19] You know, if you want.
[00:09:20] If you want the chance.
[00:09:21] No.
[00:09:24] You just said you eat bariaki wings and barbecue wings.
[00:09:27] Yeah, but I don't kill them.
[00:09:28] And if you ask my clients, like, oh, I hope they don't listen to this.
[00:09:33] So many of them come in with, like, a vegan pamphlet.
[00:09:36] Like, here you go.
[00:09:37] I'll take it under advisement.
[00:09:38] Let's talk about your bird.
[00:09:39] Yeah.
[00:09:42] And then order a chicken burger.
[00:09:47] You have just lost some of your clients, I think.
[00:09:52] Maybe.
[00:09:53] Not their chickens.
[00:09:54] I would never eat my pets.
[00:09:56] That's good.
[00:09:57] Well, maybe we should ask you about your name, then, that is appearing in the box here.
[00:10:02] Yeah.
[00:10:03] Cockadoo.
[00:10:04] Yeah.
[00:10:04] And you know what?
[00:10:05] I'm actually annoyed by this because, you know, Board Game Arena.
[00:10:09] This is so off topic.
[00:10:10] We haven't even talked about the episode, but I can't not say this because I'm so annoyed.
[00:10:14] I am a member of Board Game Arena online.
[00:10:18] And I logged in the other day for the first time in months because I wanted to play a card game while I watched the TV show.
[00:10:25] And it said that my account was sanctioned for violating the terms of use because of my username as Cockatoo Boy.
[00:10:34] And they thought that that was inappropriate.
[00:10:36] And so they changed it to Parrot Boy and gave me a sanction.
[00:10:39] And I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
[00:10:42] Board Game Arena.
[00:10:44] So that's just, yeah, I'm still pissed about that.
[00:10:47] Okay.
[00:10:47] I was going to say it sounded automatic that it found those four letters in there.
[00:10:52] But when you told me that, you just said that, that they changed it to Parrot.
[00:10:57] So they knew.
[00:10:59] They knew.
[00:10:59] They knew.
[00:11:00] And they still sanctioned you.
[00:11:03] Yeah.
[00:11:03] That's nuts.
[00:11:05] But kind of funny at the same time.
[00:11:07] It's a violation of freedom of speech, but whatever.
[00:11:08] It's fine.
[00:11:09] Quick.
[00:11:10] Can't you change his name right now?
[00:11:12] Can you change it to Parrot Boy?
[00:11:14] I could.
[00:11:15] Come on, David.
[00:11:16] I could.
[00:11:17] I won't.
[00:11:19] Just in the middle of a podcast.
[00:11:20] You know what you're going to do.
[00:11:23] All of a sudden, you'll be Parrot Boy.
[00:11:27] Oh, wait.
[00:11:27] It doesn't let me do that anymore.
[00:11:29] We got off topic again.
[00:11:29] It used to.
[00:11:30] Wait.
[00:11:30] Maybe I have to do it somewhere else.
[00:11:33] Oh, edit name, headline.
[00:11:34] There we go.
[00:11:35] Hold on.
[00:11:35] Oh, here we go.
[00:11:36] You're going to be Parrot Boy.
[00:11:38] No, it's not quite.
[00:11:44] Iconic.
[00:11:47] And now all the people just listening are like, what did he do?
[00:11:50] What happened?
[00:11:51] Well, you better watch the video on YouTube.
[00:11:53] That's right.
[00:11:54] Get on that video.
[00:11:55] So getting to the episode.
[00:11:58] Yes, please.
[00:11:59] Jessica, guess what?
[00:12:01] Yes.
[00:12:02] I was writing my prediction again.
[00:12:04] Oh, God.
[00:12:05] Here we go again.
[00:12:06] You know what I've decided?
[00:12:07] You must have an inside source because.
[00:12:09] Oh, yeah.
[00:12:10] I feel like you're.
[00:12:10] I feel like there's some cheating involved here.
[00:12:12] I really do.
[00:12:13] It almost seems sexist.
[00:12:14] You've been like influenced.
[00:12:21] And boom, go to the comments.
[00:12:23] Yeah.
[00:12:23] Yeah.
[00:12:24] There they go.
[00:12:26] Here it comes.
[00:12:28] Listen, something's up.
[00:12:30] Something's up.
[00:12:30] Just saying.
[00:12:31] What's up is I'm good.
[00:12:33] What can I say?
[00:12:34] You know, that's the only.
[00:12:36] You know, I mean.
[00:12:37] I'm sensing tension here.
[00:12:41] Jessica loves doing predictions so much.
[00:12:44] Yeah.
[00:12:44] So much fun.
[00:12:46] I get it right.
[00:12:47] Yeah.
[00:12:48] You're so cosplaying Chris Hammonds right now.
[00:12:50] You're really getting her goat here.
[00:12:56] Good times.
[00:12:58] Yes.
[00:12:58] But of course.
[00:13:00] Yes.
[00:13:01] Whether whether I correctly predict the person who gets voted out or on those very, very rare
[00:13:07] occasions when I don't.
[00:13:08] We always follow the same path to figure out what happened to them.
[00:13:12] We will compare Sierra's game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back
[00:13:16] after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information
[00:13:20] available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes.
[00:13:24] And the newest version of the rules can, of course, be found at Rob has website dot com slash YX lost
[00:13:29] feed.
[00:13:30] And then you click on the link bubble for the survivor rules.
[00:13:35] But before we address how Sierra did in terms of the rules and after the chicken talk, we always
[00:13:42] have some other things to discuss from the episode.
[00:13:45] But first, Omer, how have you been and what have you thought of the season so far?
[00:13:51] I've been great.
[00:13:53] I really like the season.
[00:13:55] I think, you know what?
[00:13:56] I feel like I actually I didn't say this last season, but I do think that this is maybe
[00:14:00] the best season of the new era.
[00:14:03] I quite enjoy it.
[00:14:04] I think that the balance across all cast members editing wise is very, very good.
[00:14:10] We finally got to see every basically every tribe went to tribal council twice.
[00:14:15] So we really got to know them and their dynamics.
[00:14:18] I think that Andy is so funny.
[00:14:20] And the personalities clash, but not in an unpleasant way.
[00:14:28] And although I do, I could use a little bit more down in the dirt a little bit, too, but
[00:14:32] not saying I was opposed to Survivor 46.
[00:14:35] But it just seems like the Survivor 46 too much Yanu in the first.
[00:14:41] Yes.
[00:14:42] Too much.
[00:14:43] Yes.
[00:14:45] But I think that this is just so much more even the whole tenor.
[00:14:50] You know what?
[00:14:50] I also noticed.
[00:14:51] I do think they also change the filter between the fall and winter season in terms of they
[00:15:00] do pay attention to it.
[00:15:01] Like the filter they use for the coloring is different for the fall and winter.
[00:15:06] Really?
[00:15:07] And I enjoy.
[00:15:08] I think I enjoy the fall one a bit more and it just seems a little bit brighter.
[00:15:12] Yeah.
[00:15:13] I look at these videos over and over again as I make my short, you know, my YouTube shorts
[00:15:19] and everything.
[00:15:20] And I have never noticed this.
[00:15:22] Yeah.
[00:15:22] It's all a bit different.
[00:15:23] Just, you know, peek your little.
[00:15:25] I don't know that for sure.
[00:15:26] I just have noticed that very consistently.
[00:15:28] So I believe it to be true.
[00:15:29] And I will never back down from that.
[00:15:31] Okay.
[00:15:32] At least for the new era.
[00:15:32] I don't know about the old era.
[00:15:36] But sorry.
[00:15:37] Did I say old era?
[00:15:39] You did say old era.
[00:15:40] We were just going to let that go by without pointing it out.
[00:15:45] Well, she's kind of middle school, I think.
[00:15:49] No, no, no.
[00:15:50] New school.
[00:15:50] I'll take middle school.
[00:15:51] No, middle school is like 20 to 30.
[00:15:54] So she's on the cusp.
[00:15:56] I'm on the cusp.
[00:15:58] I love old school.
[00:15:59] I'm all about old school.
[00:16:00] I want to go back to the beginning.
[00:16:02] Yeah, it was pretty good.
[00:16:03] I mean, I listen.
[00:16:04] I know the first 10 seasons more than I know the last 10 seasons.
[00:16:09] You know, I really enjoyed that.
[00:16:10] Yeah.
[00:16:10] But I do believe that this season is very good.
[00:16:14] I've enjoyed it quite a bit.
[00:16:16] And I also, maybe this is sexist, but I also knew Sierra was going home.
[00:16:21] Jessica.
[00:16:22] Well, how did you know?
[00:16:24] Who told you?
[00:16:26] No, they, if you looked at the preview, first of all, I have a bone to pick as well with all the previews.
[00:16:32] Because everybody's always like, oh, if they say somebody's going home in the preview, they don't go home.
[00:16:38] And that's pretty much always.
[00:16:39] Oh, you sound like you're doing a David Bloomberg.
[00:16:40] Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:41] That's true.
[00:16:41] That's you Vicki's law.
[00:16:43] Yes, exactly.
[00:16:44] Except, you know what?
[00:16:45] The one time that wasn't true was when I went home.
[00:16:47] Yeah.
[00:16:48] So that was very annoying.
[00:16:49] Well, no, that's you.
[00:16:51] They needed to break the law for you.
[00:16:55] I don't.
[00:16:56] I didn't like it.
[00:16:57] How important you were.
[00:16:58] Didn't like it at all.
[00:17:00] But in this season, in the preview, Sierra has not really been getting a lot of strategic content beyond her relationship with Sam and Andy.
[00:17:11] And in the preview, it said, we're going to knock Tuku out.
[00:17:16] And I felt like that, given that plus the fact that Andy was turning on the two of them, led me to believe it would be her.
[00:17:27] Yeah.
[00:17:29] Well, you did a better job than I did trying to figure out who was going home.
[00:17:34] Who did you say it was going to be?
[00:17:36] I don't even remember.
[00:17:38] Who did I say?
[00:17:38] I don't know.
[00:17:39] I have my notes.
[00:17:40] I don't keep track of your notes.
[00:17:41] Oh, well, look at you.
[00:17:42] I don't have notes.
[00:17:43] It's all up here.
[00:17:44] And I forgot.
[00:17:45] So.
[00:17:46] I think if you really wanted to stick it to her, you should have known.
[00:17:49] Yeah.
[00:17:50] I think it was Kyle.
[00:17:50] Oh, it was.
[00:17:51] You're right.
[00:17:52] Yeah.
[00:17:52] You said Kyle.
[00:17:57] It wasn't a bad one.
[00:17:59] Yeah.
[00:17:59] Thank you.
[00:18:00] Thank you for supporting me just a little bit.
[00:18:02] I appreciate that.
[00:18:03] Even though you were wrong, it wasn't a terrible try.
[00:18:06] Yeah.
[00:18:07] Appreciate it.
[00:18:08] Do better next time.
[00:18:10] Yeah.
[00:18:11] Well, you'll have the chance, I guess.
[00:18:12] That's right.
[00:18:13] Trust me.
[00:18:13] I'm now panicked because I don't even remember what was in the, on the next, you know, the
[00:18:19] preview or whatever.
[00:18:20] Yeah.
[00:18:20] I'm in trouble.
[00:18:22] Well, you know, that never matters.
[00:18:24] Right.
[00:18:24] It never, it doesn't tell us anything.
[00:18:26] So.
[00:18:27] No.
[00:18:27] Right.
[00:18:30] It's like they did it on purpose.
[00:18:32] They did.
[00:18:33] They did.
[00:18:34] That's what I'm saying.
[00:18:36] So that's, like I said, you, it was that important.
[00:18:39] They had to do it.
[00:18:41] So.
[00:18:45] Are we going to talk about the auction yet?
[00:18:47] Well, not yet.
[00:18:48] Oh, what else is there to possibly talk about before the auction?
[00:18:51] That was like the biggest part of the episode.
[00:18:56] Yeah.
[00:18:57] Getting into the episode.
[00:18:58] I want to first start talking about Gabe because we began the episode again with him talking
[00:19:07] about what a threatening player Rachel was.
[00:19:11] And, you know, then both Genevieve and Caroline agreed Rachel was playing the best game.
[00:19:17] Uh, you know, she's under the radar.
[00:19:19] She's a sneaky threat.
[00:19:21] Uh, and the funny thing is production had not shown one damn bit of that until after
[00:19:28] they said it.
[00:19:29] I mean, we had gotten all of them saying, saying, saying, and then they finally showed it where
[00:19:35] she kind of went on a terror this episode.
[00:19:38] I mean, literally tearing the idol out of the tarp.
[00:19:41] Also on Twitter, David.
[00:19:43] Yes.
[00:19:43] Also on Twitter.
[00:19:44] Oh, you went there.
[00:19:47] You went there.
[00:19:48] I've been waiting.
[00:19:53] It's amazing how many people cannot see when two people on Twitter are joking, you know,
[00:20:00] like, especially since I wasn't the one who predicted that she was first out.
[00:20:04] I believe that was Jessica.
[00:20:06] But yeah, I was trying to remember.
[00:20:09] I, but I don't think, I think it wasn't anything bad.
[00:20:12] I, it's just, you know, and also I'm terrible at predictions that, you know what this means?
[00:20:16] She's winning.
[00:20:17] That's what it means.
[00:20:18] She's winning.
[00:20:18] That's actually true.
[00:20:19] You're welcome, Rachel.
[00:20:21] You're welcome.
[00:20:22] If that's what I said about you, then you're winning.
[00:20:25] I'm liking this dynamic where you get blamed for the stuff that Jessica says.
[00:20:29] Yeah.
[00:20:30] I mean, it's not the first time.
[00:20:32] That seems like the right thing.
[00:20:34] Not the first time.
[00:20:35] I have gotten messages before from people like Jessica said this, you should do something about her.
[00:20:41] I'm like, Jessica is her own person.
[00:20:44] I do not control her.
[00:20:46] And by the way, she was right.
[00:20:47] You know, so.
[00:20:49] Thank you.
[00:20:50] I do think it's funny because maybe it's, I just don't check a lot of my messages on Twitter,
[00:20:56] like the, or the DMs or whatever.
[00:20:58] Like I just don't.
[00:20:59] And so they've maybe given up on trying to yell directly at me.
[00:21:02] So they're like, I'll go to her boss and I'll yell at him.
[00:21:06] I don't think she's your boss.
[00:21:08] Yeah.
[00:21:09] I would say that he kind of is.
[00:21:13] Oh, shit.
[00:21:14] Okay.
[00:21:15] All right.
[00:21:19] Oh, I guess we need to call him, sir.
[00:21:21] He's not my boss.
[00:21:22] You need to call him, sir.
[00:21:26] I mean, she does have a sweatshirt that says, David, you're right on the back of this.
[00:21:29] I do.
[00:21:30] I definitely do.
[00:21:31] Well, you have a weird thing going on.
[00:21:39] So as far as Rachel, other than on Twitter, you know, and, you know, she shot down Stephen
[00:21:46] on Twitter this week.
[00:21:47] So that was fun.
[00:21:50] And Q, I saw it as well.
[00:21:52] Yes.
[00:21:53] And Q.
[00:21:55] And so anyway, yeah, she got the idol out of the tarp.
[00:21:59] She played her shot in the dark as a gauge to determine whether or not everyone was coming
[00:22:04] after her so she could play her idol afterwards if they had a big reaction.
[00:22:08] And this is, you know, what she shot down of Stephen because he was like, oh, I think, you know, she did it because she knew how the vote was going.
[00:22:16] And this way she wouldn't have to vote against Sam or Sierra.
[00:22:19] And she was like, no.
[00:22:21] So part of it was right.
[00:22:23] But the rest of it, he had shit on his glasses for.
[00:22:29] I don't think there was a whole lot of trying to determine why she did exactly what she did.
[00:22:34] And I thought it was fascinating because maybe she really was just afraid she was going home.
[00:22:38] And yeah, she played a shot in the dark.
[00:22:40] Yeah.
[00:22:41] But but the caveat to that is not playing the idol shows.
[00:22:45] There was some thing that she got in between there.
[00:22:49] That was.
[00:22:49] Yes.
[00:22:49] And I wanted to ask about that because I'm trying to recall all of the rules with these shot in the dark things.
[00:22:58] You're still allowed to play the idol, even if you haven't voted because you played your shot in the dark.
[00:23:06] Yeah.
[00:23:07] Yeah.
[00:23:07] This is fascinating to me.
[00:23:08] How did I miss this rule?
[00:23:09] I don't I think it's I think the rule is that to play your shot in the dark, you lose your vote.
[00:23:14] It doesn't say you can't play anything else.
[00:23:16] Right.
[00:23:18] Fascinating.
[00:23:19] So it would basically be like as soon as she saw she was not safe, then it would be OK, well, now I'm playing my idol.
[00:23:25] Yeah.
[00:23:25] If she was going.
[00:23:26] If they all reacted in a certain way, like you.
[00:23:30] And this is the first time we've seen that.
[00:23:32] But we talked about that on the beach way back in the day.
[00:23:35] Just never came up as a thing that we did.
[00:23:38] But also I saw it going around on Twitter.
[00:23:42] Maybe this this needs to be a spell.
[00:23:44] This is a myth that you can't use somebody else's shot in the dark.
[00:23:49] You absolutely can't use your shot in the dark.
[00:23:52] You just cannot use more.
[00:23:53] Yes.
[00:23:54] So it is a transferable advantage in the game.
[00:23:57] But you cannot play more than one at one tribal council.
[00:24:01] Yeah.
[00:24:01] That's OK.
[00:24:02] That came up earlier when I think Andy gave his to Sierra.
[00:24:08] And that question came up.
[00:24:10] And the people that were asking it and I know it's hard to keep track of everything.
[00:24:13] But I was like yelling from here.
[00:24:17] It got resolved on podcasts before I before we recorded.
[00:24:21] But I was like, no, we've been through this before.
[00:24:24] We know from interviews on previous seasons that, yes, if someone gives you a shot in the dark, congratulations.
[00:24:31] You have an extra one.
[00:24:32] I think Jeff said it on his podcast, too.
[00:24:35] So it's like, come on, people.
[00:24:37] We know you should be able to use more than one because I think that's interesting.
[00:24:41] Oh, man.
[00:24:41] If you have an alliance that you want to back, then all of you give your shot in the dark and give it a four out of six chance or whatever.
[00:24:48] Like, I think that's more interesting.
[00:24:49] But I get you can't lose four votes.
[00:24:52] But I think why not?
[00:24:54] Jeff has taken away four votes before at one time, I suppose.
[00:24:58] But, you know, I mean, if it were up to Jeff, there wouldn't be any votes anymore, you know.
[00:25:03] And the losing of the votes.
[00:25:07] I love it.
[00:25:08] I love it.
[00:25:09] Oh, oh, oh, oh, this is going to be a heated discussion.
[00:25:13] Yeah, I do.
[00:25:15] Situationally.
[00:25:16] Well, I think that you were someone who utilized it to your benefit.
[00:25:21] Good memory.
[00:25:22] I do.
[00:25:23] And I was I was very impressed with that concept where I'm going to still try to sway the vote, but I don't have one.
[00:25:32] So what can I do?
[00:25:33] And you're just kind of like, yeah.
[00:25:36] Yes, it was fantastic.
[00:25:38] But but this is the part of the new era that I think is both exciting, but also very frustrating is that there's all of these new trinkets and advantages and rules.
[00:25:49] And there's a lot to try to keep straight.
[00:25:52] What you can do, what you can't do, what you're allowed to use, what you're not allowed to use.
[00:25:55] That it does make it very difficult for viewers.
[00:25:58] And I think it makes it even more difficult for players because you have to try to keep track of all of these things at the same time.
[00:26:06] And kind of you're inventing the wheel as you go, because it's like this is a game that's existed for so long.
[00:26:13] But now there's this new component to it and we don't really know how it's going to play out.
[00:26:17] And some of it works very nicely.
[00:26:20] And then other times it just falls flat.
[00:26:22] And I so I understand that production wants to try to introduce these things.
[00:26:26] But oftentimes it takes away from just the player's ability to play.
[00:26:31] And I think that you were someone who was able to take a new advantage and a disadvantage and really utilize it as an advantage because you figured out how.
[00:26:40] But not every player has that ability and you were someone who was able to do so.
[00:26:45] Yeah, I mean, I really like it in some ways.
[00:26:49] I don't like the way they do it all the time.
[00:26:51] So I don't like when you find an idol and you like lose it for an indefinite amount of time and you have to try to win it back in the voting booth.
[00:27:01] Like that is a bit much.
[00:27:03] I think that the interesting thing about losing a vote is when people know that either it's a possibility or that it has been lost.
[00:27:12] And that makes it more interesting because you can go through a loophole of trying to figure out if you don't have the majority, how can you fudge the numbers to get a majority or not pick a side or whatever it may be.
[00:27:25] The shot in the dark is also another way that is, you know, an organized way to lose your vote where everybody knows that's a possibility on the table.
[00:27:34] The things I don't like are when you're like forced to reach into a bag, although now you should know if you're going on a journey, you might lose your vote.
[00:27:43] I think that that is should be something players understand.
[00:27:46] But also the one I really did not like was the one from 45 where the last three people, Austin, Emily, Ketura, lost their vote for coming in last place in that challenge and then had to go to an island and have a chance to win it back.
[00:28:03] Because then Austin, who lost the challenge, has now actually the greatest advantage information wise in the whole game because he won his vote back.
[00:28:12] And nobody else knows that.
[00:28:14] And that affects the numbers significantly.
[00:28:17] Yeah.
[00:28:17] And but he lost and got an advantage in a way like that is I don't like that kind of stuff.
[00:28:23] But yeah, openly losing your vote in the auction.
[00:28:26] I think that's fine, but I don't like the way they do it.
[00:28:30] Right.
[00:28:31] And that's exactly it.
[00:28:32] You know, the I call it the so-called auction.
[00:28:35] You know, I will say it was more fun than last time.
[00:28:39] Yes, agreed.
[00:28:40] I appreciate some of the things they added, like eating grubs.
[00:28:44] Although I think anyone who participated should have lost their money no matter what, except.
[00:28:49] Well, under normal circumstances, I would say that.
[00:28:52] I still think in this one they should, too.
[00:28:54] Um, I liked the timed peanut butter and chocolate eating.
[00:29:00] Um, but of course, they didn't fix the biggest problem, which is it really isn't an auction.
[00:29:07] It's a race to avoid losing your vote.
[00:29:09] You're literally just buying stuff.
[00:29:10] You're like, I have $620.
[00:29:12] I would like that bowl of mac and cheese.
[00:29:14] It actually completely takes away the choice of what you buy versus what you wait for.
[00:29:18] And I don't like that.
[00:29:20] Mm hmm.
[00:29:21] Yeah.
[00:29:21] Because there is that.
[00:29:22] I don't know if you all remember, like Mike Holloway situation where it was.
[00:29:27] Everybody agreed that they were going to pay like $20 to get that.
[00:29:31] That was part of what broke it.
[00:29:32] Yeah.
[00:29:33] Yeah.
[00:29:33] I thought that was fair game, by the way.
[00:29:34] If he's going to back up.
[00:29:35] Oh, I thought that was fantastic.
[00:29:37] Yeah.
[00:29:37] Fantastic.
[00:29:38] And so this is where you're taking the player's ability to continue to strategically play the game through the auction as well.
[00:29:47] I mean, we heard the analogy at Tribal Council how within the war, they all, it was a ceasefire that played soccer.
[00:29:55] And that's how they felt about the auction.
[00:29:57] It was like a ceasefire.
[00:29:58] And it's like, no, it shouldn't be.
[00:29:59] It should never be a ceasefire.
[00:30:01] It should still be an opportunity to play the game just in a different way.
[00:30:05] And when you're taking away that ability to have to actually auction things off and decide, is this something I want to try for?
[00:30:12] Do I want to wait for an advantage?
[00:30:14] Do I want to hold on to my money?
[00:30:15] Because maybe I'll be the only one left.
[00:30:17] And here comes an advantage.
[00:30:19] You know, when he comes out with a scroll and you're the only one with money left.
[00:30:23] That's the part of the auction that was always much more thrilling.
[00:30:26] Or just, you know, he thinks that the advantages broke the auction.
[00:30:31] Fine.
[00:30:32] No advantages.
[00:30:33] No advantages for bidding.
[00:30:35] They might be in an item like we saw.
[00:30:37] But see, I don't think they did break the auction.
[00:30:38] I don't think so either.
[00:30:39] Well, I don't think they did.
[00:30:40] I even think the rock, like if you spend your $500 and you lose the ability to like, you know, you lose your $500 because you waited for the advantage and you had to draw a rock.
[00:30:51] Like that's compelling on its own because you're willing to forgo food for an advantage.
[00:30:56] But I think I do like hiding the advantage in the food.
[00:30:59] I think that that's great.
[00:31:00] I did like that too.
[00:31:02] Yes.
[00:31:02] Yes.
[00:31:03] We've seen that work.
[00:31:04] But I think that the thing is they corrected, corrected, quote unquote, that component by doing the differential money amounts.
[00:31:12] But then when you circle, when you add the other layer of that, most money loses the votes.
[00:31:17] You're right back actually to square one and it makes it less compelling.
[00:31:19] But I want to see stuff like here's a letter from home or a letter from home might be coming.
[00:31:26] So maybe you should hold on to your money or here's a letter from home.
[00:31:28] But if you take it, you lose your vote.
[00:31:30] Like that is interesting.
[00:31:31] Yeah.
[00:31:32] Yeah.
[00:31:33] Mm-hmm.
[00:31:33] Yeah.
[00:31:34] Yeah.
[00:31:34] There were some people, you know, we talked about the race to spend your money and it's
[00:31:38] not really an auction, you know, that there were some people when I posted the short video
[00:31:43] on Sam losing his vote.
[00:31:47] Some people commented and was like, well, he had plenty of opportunities to bid before
[00:31:51] then.
[00:31:52] So he wouldn't have any money.
[00:31:53] It's like, no, you don't.
[00:31:55] Because what happens is each time the person with the most money outbigs you.
[00:32:00] Yeah.
[00:32:01] And he's stuck.
[00:32:02] Spend all of their money.
[00:32:03] Yeah.
[00:32:03] And this auction, actually, if you didn't have differential amounting amounts, could
[00:32:08] work, you know?
[00:32:10] Yeah.
[00:32:11] And actually, Zach had a great idea.
[00:32:12] Two great ideas.
[00:32:13] One was you give them all the same amount, but you have a chance to win more money if
[00:32:17] you eat a gross food item.
[00:32:19] One.
[00:32:20] Two.
[00:32:20] Interesting.
[00:32:21] Another option was the lose a vote does come up, but you have to, it's won in the auction
[00:32:26] and you have to choose somebody to lose their vote in front of everybody.
[00:32:29] Oh.
[00:32:30] Oh, see, now that's what I'm saying.
[00:32:32] You could use the auction as a strategic component to the game.
[00:32:36] I like that a lot.
[00:32:37] Yeah.
[00:32:38] Jeff, I hope you're listening because we know you listen every week.
[00:32:40] Oh, yeah.
[00:32:42] If he were listening, he wouldn't still be standing on.
[00:32:44] I'm doing it this way.
[00:32:46] You know, we gave a whole bunch of suggestions.
[00:32:48] We've given them multiple times.
[00:32:50] I know.
[00:32:51] We talked about it last time and said that was part of the problem was that they did
[00:32:57] too many things.
[00:32:58] They didn't try to fix it doing one thing.
[00:33:00] But it was weirdly better than the first time.
[00:33:02] It was.
[00:33:03] I do think that.
[00:33:04] It was weirdly better, but still not good.
[00:33:06] And I do think it's because they, you know, threw in some more fun stuff.
[00:33:11] Yes.
[00:33:12] Agreed.
[00:33:12] But I do, I do miss the gross items.
[00:33:16] I would much prefer so many more gross items.
[00:33:18] I don't know.
[00:33:21] I saw that and I'd be like, I am.
[00:33:25] Like there was absolute.
[00:33:26] I gag when I brush my teeth.
[00:33:28] Like there's not a chance that I can down something like that.
[00:33:33] So I would be like,
[00:33:35] like picking up the money and I'm out.
[00:33:37] There's just no possible way it would have, it could have worked.
[00:33:41] Like there's just no way.
[00:33:42] So.
[00:33:45] Listen, this is,
[00:33:46] this is sounding so much better to hang out with you for a day.
[00:33:50] Cause the things that I would like to make you have to partake in would be lovely.
[00:33:55] We're eating chicken wings.
[00:33:57] Buffalo.
[00:33:58] Combine it.
[00:33:59] Combine it.
[00:34:00] Coat a grub in Buffalo.
[00:34:02] Oh,
[00:34:03] Oh my God.
[00:34:04] And you don't think it's,
[00:34:05] I'm afraid of sauces.
[00:34:06] Like,
[00:34:06] it's just like,
[00:34:07] not okay.
[00:34:09] So many.
[00:34:10] Yeah.
[00:34:11] Wait,
[00:34:11] all sauces.
[00:34:13] Like not all.
[00:34:14] There's very few that work,
[00:34:15] but like,
[00:34:15] if I,
[00:34:16] I will eat ketchup on a burger.
[00:34:18] If I don't have to look at it,
[00:34:20] talk about it,
[00:34:21] ask for it.
[00:34:22] Or put it on myself or even ask somebody to put it on.
[00:34:26] Like I won't do any of that.
[00:34:28] What's wrong with ketchup?
[00:34:29] It just disgusts me looking at it.
[00:34:32] I will never eat mustard.
[00:34:33] I think it's the worst thing that was ever invented.
[00:34:37] Ranch.
[00:34:38] Horrifying.
[00:34:39] Oh my God.
[00:34:42] Mayonnaise.
[00:34:42] I it's,
[00:34:44] if I don't have to think about it and it's a light amount,
[00:34:47] it's okay.
[00:34:48] Or chicken salad sandwich,
[00:34:49] but not one of those sloppy chicken salad sandwiches.
[00:34:52] Oh my God.
[00:34:53] This is incredible.
[00:34:54] And any,
[00:34:55] any,
[00:34:55] um,
[00:34:56] salad dressing that's like thick.
[00:34:58] No.
[00:34:59] Listen,
[00:35:00] I look for excuses to put sauces on things.
[00:35:05] Like when I look in my fridge and I'm like,
[00:35:06] what do I have that I can.
[00:35:08] Well,
[00:35:08] we've already established you're always wrong.
[00:35:10] So.
[00:35:11] So apparently the Gen X and you millennials,
[00:35:18] baby.
[00:35:19] Oh my God.
[00:35:20] Yeah.
[00:35:20] Yeah.
[00:35:21] Can someone else put my ketchup on for me?
[00:35:22] I can't do it.
[00:35:24] No,
[00:35:24] I'm not going to ask for it.
[00:35:25] It just has to be done.
[00:35:26] Don't even tell me.
[00:35:28] I can't see it.
[00:35:29] Yes.
[00:35:32] That's exactly.
[00:35:33] I'll take care of your ketchup for you.
[00:35:34] All right.
[00:35:35] I got it.
[00:35:36] Yeah.
[00:35:36] Now she gets it.
[00:35:37] All right.
[00:35:39] Well,
[00:35:40] let's move on to the other voting controversy,
[00:35:42] uh,
[00:35:43] that was going on.
[00:35:44] And I know,
[00:35:45] I know at least two RHAP podcasts have covered it already.
[00:35:49] Uh,
[00:35:49] but.
[00:35:50] Um,
[00:35:50] one of them didn't cover it enough in my opinion.
[00:35:53] Okay.
[00:35:55] Oh,
[00:35:55] Rob.
[00:35:56] Yes.
[00:35:56] Um,
[00:35:57] but I had already tweeted about it,
[00:36:00] uh,
[00:36:01] before then.
[00:36:02] And I had it slated for our Jeff Probst is wrong about blank segment.
[00:36:06] So here we are.
[00:36:07] Um,
[00:36:08] I've said previously that it makes sense for players at a tie,
[00:36:14] not to vote if there are only two of them,
[00:36:15] but it does not make sense if there are three people in a time.
[00:36:18] And I,
[00:36:19] we've had this discussion before here on Twitter,
[00:36:21] wherever it's like,
[00:36:23] it's like,
[00:36:24] it doesn't,
[00:36:24] they don't cancel out.
[00:36:26] And,
[00:36:26] and the conclusion has always been,
[00:36:29] well,
[00:36:29] it must just be a rule.
[00:36:30] If you tie it all,
[00:36:31] those people don't vote.
[00:36:33] Well,
[00:36:33] okay.
[00:36:34] But Jeff said,
[00:36:36] yes,
[00:36:38] he said,
[00:36:38] Sierra can vote specifically because Sam didn't have one to cancel hers
[00:36:44] out.
[00:36:44] And he said,
[00:36:46] the cancellation of the vote is quote,
[00:36:49] the only reason they don't vote in a normal tie situation.
[00:36:54] So if he hadn't said that,
[00:36:57] okay,
[00:36:58] maybe we would have gone past this and been like,
[00:37:00] Oh,
[00:37:00] interesting.
[00:37:01] You know,
[00:37:01] but he specifically said that,
[00:37:03] and they aired it.
[00:37:04] He undercut any reasoning in the future or the past for not having people vote in a three-way time.
[00:37:12] This was an existential crisis,
[00:37:15] honestly,
[00:37:15] honestly,
[00:37:15] because it was almost like when I realized that the Berenstain bears was the Berenstain bears.
[00:37:21] Yeah.
[00:37:22] Vice versa.
[00:37:22] Like that is crazy.
[00:37:24] I can't even think about that and not be distressed because my whole past is questionable.
[00:37:29] And I wonder if that was even true.
[00:37:32] Like I'm still onto those conspiracy theories.
[00:37:34] And now we have a situation where like literally when I was on Survivor,
[00:37:40] this is something I thought about a million times and made so many plans as if there's no votes on a tie for the tied people.
[00:37:50] That when there was four people on our beach,
[00:37:53] Marianne lost her vote.
[00:37:55] I being,
[00:37:57] you know,
[00:37:58] cocky little boy that I was thought I had an extra vote.
[00:38:01] I did not realize I had lost my vote as well.
[00:38:03] But in the moment,
[00:38:04] I think I have an extra vote.
[00:38:07] Jonathan and Lindsay,
[00:38:08] I was like,
[00:38:09] are they like a pair?
[00:38:11] So if they want to vote Marianne out and I want to keep Marianne,
[00:38:15] all I have to do is play two votes and then on the re-vote,
[00:38:20] they can't vote or one like Jonathan or Lindsay cannot vote.
[00:38:25] Right.
[00:38:25] And so then my two votes went out over their one vote.
[00:38:28] But in this situation,
[00:38:30] they would be allowed to vote and that would fuck everything up.
[00:38:34] But I was out there making this plan and it wouldn't have even like,
[00:38:38] that is crazy to me now to think back and all of this information.
[00:38:43] Yeah.
[00:38:44] This is new information.
[00:38:46] So many seasons and since when,
[00:38:49] right.
[00:38:49] Well,
[00:38:49] that's,
[00:38:50] that's the question since when?
[00:38:51] Yeah.
[00:38:52] And like I said,
[00:38:53] the contradictory part is what gets me is him saying it's because of this
[00:38:59] reason.
[00:38:59] And it's like,
[00:39:01] you have just told all of us that you've been wrong for all these years.
[00:39:05] Yes.
[00:39:06] But it actually does make sense.
[00:39:07] It's just,
[00:39:08] they haven't implemented it that way.
[00:39:09] And I agree with everything Shannon said.
[00:39:11] If you listen to her podcast,
[00:39:12] I have not yet.
[00:39:13] I haven't had a chance,
[00:39:14] but I've seen her on Twitter.
[00:39:16] So I assume it's something similar.
[00:39:20] But yeah,
[00:39:21] it's,
[00:39:22] I do think everybody needs to go up to the booth.
[00:39:24] So that doesn't blow the cover of anybody that has a vote.
[00:39:28] Oh,
[00:39:29] Oh,
[00:39:30] well,
[00:39:30] but they've,
[00:39:31] except that Sam's was public.
[00:39:32] Sam's was public,
[00:39:33] but that's not always the case.
[00:39:34] You know,
[00:39:34] what if it had been somebody that had lost it,
[00:39:36] but in private,
[00:39:37] and then all of a sudden they're tied now,
[00:39:39] I don't think that,
[00:39:42] I think that you need to go to the booth.
[00:39:45] Yeah,
[00:39:45] that would have been weird if he had lost his vote privately.
[00:39:51] How did they,
[00:39:52] how would Jeff say,
[00:39:53] okay,
[00:39:54] Sierra,
[00:39:55] you get to go vote.
[00:39:56] Uh,
[00:39:57] Sam doesn't just cause we're not going to explain why.
[00:40:02] Yeah.
[00:40:03] Even though you said this deserves an explanation.
[00:40:07] Yeah.
[00:40:07] I think you got to go to the booth and it says you do not have a vote.
[00:40:10] Yeah.
[00:40:11] I think I like,
[00:40:12] I like David's approach just cause.
[00:40:15] Cause I said so.
[00:40:20] Or Jessica.
[00:40:22] Yeah.
[00:40:23] Just cause.
[00:40:25] I mean,
[00:40:26] it will be interesting with the next time that there's a three-way tie.
[00:40:29] If I were,
[00:40:30] if I were there,
[00:40:31] if I were playing and there was a three-way tie and Jeff's like,
[00:40:33] of course you three can't vote.
[00:40:35] I'd be like,
[00:40:35] uh,
[00:40:36] excuse me.
[00:40:36] Like what you said on this day was,
[00:40:40] and then Jeff would be like,
[00:40:41] I'll probably tell you to do.
[00:40:43] Yeah.
[00:40:43] I was going to say,
[00:40:44] he's probably gonna tell you,
[00:40:44] shut the fuck up.
[00:40:45] Yeah.
[00:40:46] Like with the F bomb.
[00:40:48] Yes.
[00:40:49] King.
[00:40:50] He never swore at me though.
[00:40:52] I was an angel.
[00:40:53] I believe he's for Jessica.
[00:40:55] No,
[00:40:55] he didn't swear at me.
[00:40:57] No,
[00:40:57] no,
[00:40:57] I was,
[00:40:58] he,
[00:40:58] he,
[00:40:59] he got very angry with the group.
[00:41:01] I was not a part of,
[00:41:01] which was lovely.
[00:41:03] Um,
[00:41:03] but yes,
[00:41:03] he,
[00:41:04] when he got angry,
[00:41:05] you were like,
[00:41:06] Oh,
[00:41:06] snap.
[00:41:07] He's,
[00:41:08] uh,
[00:41:08] he's very unhappy right now.
[00:41:10] Yeah.
[00:41:11] I put the puzzle pieces on the ground.
[00:41:13] And he,
[00:41:13] uh,
[00:41:14] he was like,
[00:41:14] put the pieces on the table,
[00:41:16] everybody.
[00:41:16] And then I was like,
[00:41:17] I'm so sorry.
[00:41:18] And he was like,
[00:41:19] don't even worry about it.
[00:41:21] And then Zach kept putting them on the ground.
[00:41:24] Oh no.
[00:41:26] And then you got in trouble.
[00:41:28] Yeah.
[00:41:28] No,
[00:41:28] he yelled at two separate groups.
[00:41:31] Um,
[00:41:31] he was very kind to me.
[00:41:32] I will say he,
[00:41:33] he hugged me when I realized that my husband was on the Island,
[00:41:37] but I was never allowed to see him.
[00:41:39] And I was very upset and,
[00:41:40] and,
[00:41:41] uh,
[00:41:41] and distraught over that.
[00:41:42] Also,
[00:41:43] weirdly enough,
[00:41:43] this bracelet that I wear still,
[00:41:45] I wore this when I was out on the Island.
[00:41:47] This was in Jeff Probst pocket,
[00:41:49] ladies and gentlemen.
[00:41:50] I'm just going to tell you that right now.
[00:41:53] Cause I had to take it off for one of the challenges.
[00:41:55] And I was like,
[00:41:56] what am I going to do with this?
[00:41:57] And he's like,
[00:41:59] so funny.
[00:42:00] Cause he's so nice.
[00:42:00] See,
[00:42:01] he's so nice about that stuff.
[00:42:02] And people don't know one time.
[00:42:04] I was climbing a wall and then,
[00:42:06] um,
[00:42:06] people were stepping on me to climb on the wall and I was worried my glasses
[00:42:09] were going to break.
[00:42:10] So I just took them off and I was like,
[00:42:12] yeah,
[00:42:13] take them.
[00:42:13] And he,
[00:42:13] he,
[00:42:14] he grabbed them and he,
[00:42:15] gently folded them and put them at the top for me.
[00:42:18] Nice.
[00:42:18] So nice.
[00:42:19] What a nice man.
[00:42:20] He's very kind.
[00:42:21] He's very kind.
[00:42:22] Yes.
[00:42:23] And we're not going to,
[00:42:23] but we aren't going to talk about that challenge because that one,
[00:42:26] that was mean.
[00:42:27] That sand one.
[00:42:28] Yes.
[00:42:29] And Jeff might've said when we,
[00:42:31] when he tied us up and stuff,
[00:42:34] I still have,
[00:42:35] I still have a video of it.
[00:42:37] You did it so crazily.
[00:42:39] I'm waiting.
[00:42:40] If Jessica ever pisses me off,
[00:42:42] I have this video.
[00:42:44] So.
[00:42:46] You try and honestly,
[00:42:47] it didn't even look that hard.
[00:42:53] Oh my God.
[00:42:54] I'm going to get prosecuted.
[00:42:57] Stay out of her jurisdiction.
[00:42:59] It actually looks so easy that I didn't understand why it took so long.
[00:43:04] Can you explain?
[00:43:04] It was,
[00:43:05] it was so not easy.
[00:43:07] It was terrible.
[00:43:09] It was absolutely terrible.
[00:43:10] And I will say Jeff was having a time right before we started the challenge
[00:43:15] because he thought it was very funny that he had us all tied up in the manner
[00:43:20] that he did.
[00:43:21] And he was finally like,
[00:43:22] I'm going to stop having this conversation with you now.
[00:43:27] I was like,
[00:43:28] look at us.
[00:43:28] We're like tied up at the hands and feet.
[00:43:31] We're on our knees.
[00:43:31] Like,
[00:43:31] what are we doing?
[00:43:32] And it was just,
[00:43:33] it was,
[00:43:34] it was very,
[00:43:35] very like the little animals on the x-ray table,
[00:43:37] you know?
[00:43:40] It's always back to those little animals.
[00:43:42] Yes.
[00:43:43] Yes.
[00:43:43] Yeah.
[00:43:44] I always make jokes like Jeff did about you guys with the animals on the
[00:43:48] table.
[00:43:52] But yes,
[00:43:53] we,
[00:43:53] you know that.
[00:43:53] So one more thing we can add to the list of things to do when you and I
[00:43:56] hang out,
[00:43:57] it will be to have you do the sand challenge and we'll just have to see
[00:44:01] how,
[00:44:01] how well you,
[00:44:02] how you feel.
[00:44:03] Yeah.
[00:44:04] I mean,
[00:44:04] it just,
[00:44:04] it just,
[00:44:05] I don't think there's been an easier challenge on the show.
[00:44:07] It's crazy.
[00:44:14] Oh my goodness.
[00:44:16] Good times.
[00:44:18] Anyway,
[00:44:19] do we have anything?
[00:44:21] I hesitate to ask this now,
[00:44:22] anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we get to the rules?
[00:44:25] we are 45 minutes in.
[00:44:26] We should probably talk about Sierra.
[00:44:28] I'm so sorry,
[00:44:29] Sierra.
[00:44:29] Okay.
[00:44:30] Well,
[00:44:30] this has been a good time.
[00:44:31] Yes.
[00:44:31] Before we get to Sierra,
[00:44:32] I do want to briefly mention that of course the rules we're about to
[00:44:36] discuss come in a shorter,
[00:44:38] much more colorful version in poster form.
[00:44:41] But Rob has website.com slash YX lost feed.
[00:44:44] Scroll down to the poster and click on it.
[00:44:47] And then order it.
[00:44:48] And then you can keep scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt or you can
[00:44:52] get the checklist on t-shirt,
[00:44:54] which both Jessica and I coincidentally are rocking today.
[00:44:58] Two different colors.
[00:45:00] So again,
[00:45:01] that's Rob has website.com slash YX lost feed.
[00:45:06] You're missing number eight.
[00:45:08] Don't lie about your job.
[00:45:10] Yeah.
[00:45:11] Yeah.
[00:45:11] That's not a rule.
[00:45:13] That's not a rule.
[00:45:15] Okay.
[00:45:16] So many people do.
[00:45:17] I request an amendment.
[00:45:20] The first amendment.
[00:45:22] I will,
[00:45:22] I will.
[00:45:22] The first amendment to the rules.
[00:45:24] I will take it under advise appropriate advisement and consult with my
[00:45:28] attorney.
[00:45:29] All right.
[00:45:29] And your attorney is going to say,
[00:45:32] lie about your job.
[00:45:32] If you feel it's necessary,
[00:45:34] but have it prepared.
[00:45:35] Because my definition and attorney is going to lie about.
[00:45:38] Don't lie about your.
[00:45:40] Well,
[00:45:41] that.
[00:45:41] Oh my word.
[00:45:43] Yes.
[00:45:43] Make again,
[00:45:44] make it make sense.
[00:45:45] It has to make sense.
[00:45:46] If you're going to make up these lies,
[00:45:47] they need to make sense.
[00:45:49] Are you saying it doesn't make sense currently,
[00:45:52] Jessica?
[00:45:54] Oh,
[00:45:55] Sue is a phenomenal human being.
[00:45:58] Right.
[00:45:59] But like,
[00:45:59] there's no reason for her to lie about her age.
[00:46:01] I feel like it's better for her to like,
[00:46:03] be like,
[00:46:04] look at me.
[00:46:04] I am a bad-ass.
[00:46:05] I'm.
[00:46:06] Yeah.
[00:46:06] When she picked up that puzzle piece,
[00:46:08] it was,
[00:46:08] it was unnecessary anymore.
[00:46:10] Yes.
[00:46:11] It was like,
[00:46:12] who cares how old you are?
[00:46:13] Look at you.
[00:46:14] Like,
[00:46:14] look at you.
[00:46:14] You're performing.
[00:46:16] Like,
[00:46:16] it's insane.
[00:46:16] There's no reason to lie about your age.
[00:46:18] Because they're,
[00:46:19] they're seeing what you're doing.
[00:46:20] Whereas a profession that comes with people's misperceptions or,
[00:46:26] or their,
[00:46:27] their ideas that are associated with someone who might be in that
[00:46:29] profession.
[00:46:30] Whereas your age,
[00:46:31] it's like,
[00:46:31] it literally doesn't even matter.
[00:46:33] It doesn't matter.
[00:46:34] So she could kick my ass.
[00:46:36] She could kick my ass.
[00:46:38] Yeah.
[00:46:38] She can't kick my ass.
[00:46:40] Oh,
[00:46:43] said the white man.
[00:46:48] said the one closest to her age.
[00:46:50] Um,
[00:46:52] you don't know that.
[00:46:54] Yeah.
[00:46:55] Yeah.
[00:46:55] That's true.
[00:46:56] She's,
[00:46:56] she's only 45.
[00:46:58] That's true.
[00:46:59] She's Jessica's age.
[00:47:00] I don't know what that was.
[00:47:01] Come on.
[00:47:03] All right.
[00:47:04] Well,
[00:47:04] Sierra began her final words by saying,
[00:47:07] I couldn't tell you what happened.
[00:47:09] Luckily,
[00:47:10] that's why we're here.
[00:47:11] Uh,
[00:47:11] and really Sierra herself has done some of her own detective work since
[00:47:15] being voted out.
[00:47:16] As she talked in interviews a couple of times about things she found out
[00:47:19] afterwards,
[00:47:20] but we need to pull all that together because despite her giving quote,
[00:47:25] a hundred percent,
[00:47:26] uh,
[00:47:26] credit to one person for getting her out.
[00:47:29] I think we'll find that the move can be attributed to a larger cast of
[00:47:33] co-stars who all came together and decided she was the biggest threat in the game and
[00:47:37] had to go right away at RHAP.
[00:47:40] We know survivor and we know why Sierra lost.
[00:47:45] Now the first and most important rule is of course to scheme and plot and
[00:47:49] Sierra certainly understood this as we saw her making multiple different
[00:47:52] alliances just on her starting tribe.
[00:47:55] Of course,
[00:47:56] she was with Sam since day one and also with Rachel and Annika and worked with
[00:48:00] Andy as well.
[00:48:01] Once she got to the merge,
[00:48:03] she talked in interviews about how she and Sam planned to separate,
[00:48:06] to work with different people while actually staying together.
[00:48:09] In the pre-merge,
[00:48:10] I think Sierra did a very good job as she convinced Annika and Rachel,
[00:48:14] she was with them.
[00:48:15] And she convinced Andy,
[00:48:17] she was with him as part of a trio with Sam.
[00:48:18] And I also think she made the right decision when it came time to pick between
[00:48:23] them,
[00:48:23] because as she told Mike Bloom,
[00:48:25] she felt even more left out of the Rachel and Annika duo than it showed.
[00:48:29] And she knew she was on the bottom by a long shot.
[00:48:32] Now this goes along with what I said,
[00:48:34] you know,
[00:48:35] back in our why Annika lost podcast,
[00:48:37] a quote,
[00:48:38] it had to be clear to Sierra as well,
[00:48:40] that even though she was a member of the breadwinners Alliance,
[00:48:44] she was the third weird.
[00:48:46] So she made the right decision there.
[00:48:48] Yeah.
[00:48:49] I do think that this is such a,
[00:48:54] there's going to be some fine words here.
[00:48:56] Maybe we should,
[00:48:58] we should let you go ahead,
[00:49:00] Mr.
[00:49:00] Omer.
[00:49:00] And why is David wrong?
[00:49:02] I mean,
[00:49:04] I hear what you're saying.
[00:49:06] And also from per her interview,
[00:49:09] I get if Annika is leaving out information,
[00:49:12] maybe misleading other people into thinking her and Sam are a power duo.
[00:49:16] I understand the decision.
[00:49:19] I just think that it's not that big a deal to be at the bottom of three,
[00:49:22] right before you go into a merge where there's going to be so many other people,
[00:49:26] because you are still insulated by Sam.
[00:49:28] You still have Sam and you don't really trust Andy that much.
[00:49:32] So I think it's not a bad.
[00:49:35] And,
[00:49:35] and the,
[00:49:36] the,
[00:49:36] the move,
[00:49:36] uh,
[00:49:37] it benefited Sam the most.
[00:49:39] Oh yeah.
[00:49:40] Without Annika.
[00:49:41] But even then in hindsight,
[00:49:42] maybe not given how,
[00:49:43] what happened,
[00:49:44] um,
[00:49:45] and how they lost Andy.
[00:49:46] So I feel like it's not that big a deal to be at the bottom or not even at the bottom,
[00:49:51] like midway of an Alliance going into a merge when there's so many other people to worry about.
[00:49:56] Yeah.
[00:49:57] And I do think that with the,
[00:49:59] your gut instinct and it has been Sierra since the beginning,
[00:50:02] something's a little off with Andy and her relationship.
[00:50:06] Like there was just something about Andy that she wasn't feeling good about.
[00:50:10] He is all that.
[00:50:11] The,
[00:50:11] I,
[00:50:11] I am still stunned that he got that entire,
[00:50:14] like moment on the show this week.
[00:50:16] I,
[00:50:16] I,
[00:50:17] I am jealous.
[00:50:18] He had,
[00:50:19] he looked phenomenal taking off the glasses and slow-mo.
[00:50:22] It was beautiful,
[00:50:24] really impressive.
[00:50:25] But from the start,
[00:50:26] she was questioning whether or not Andy was really someone she should be working with.
[00:50:31] And what you said is true.
[00:50:33] It was to Sam's benefit.
[00:50:34] He wanted to keep Andy.
[00:50:35] And I realized she wanted to work with Sam,
[00:50:37] but sometimes you really do have to just listen to your gut and say,
[00:50:41] I don't think that this is good for us.
[00:50:43] Which is exactly what we've been seeing week to week.
[00:50:46] Andy has been becoming more and more.
[00:50:49] I don't feel like they really want me around.
[00:50:52] I feel like I'm just being dragged around.
[00:50:53] And then she actually said it in a confessional that we're just going to keep dragging him.
[00:50:56] And at some point,
[00:50:58] Andy's going to do exactly what he did.
[00:51:01] And he's going to flip because he's going to realize I am not as significant as I feel I should be with this group.
[00:51:08] And so if someone is questionable at the start and there's red flags,
[00:51:14] which she mentioned multiple times,
[00:51:15] there were red flags.
[00:51:16] Maybe you really need to pay attention to those red flags earlier rather than later.
[00:51:21] I mean,
[00:51:21] I think I understand what you're saying,
[00:51:24] but I think the problem wasn't in keeping Andy.
[00:51:26] The problem was not in keeping Andy close when she got to the merge.
[00:51:30] That's where she forgot about that.
[00:51:32] And,
[00:51:33] you know,
[00:51:33] that's where also she took a hit in these rules because she took him for granted.
[00:51:38] She had confessionals saying the things that you mentioned.
[00:51:41] He's in her pocket.
[00:51:42] He's an easy number.
[00:51:43] They can drag him along.
[00:51:44] Right.
[00:51:45] And,
[00:51:45] you know,
[00:51:47] she said like leading up to the final 11 vote,
[00:51:49] she said,
[00:51:50] Oh,
[00:51:50] we know we have forgot.
[00:51:52] But she acknowledged in her interviews that while she intended to keep him close after the merge,
[00:51:58] she just didn't do it.
[00:52:00] She allowed him to slip away.
[00:52:02] She told me at the very beginning,
[00:52:04] though,
[00:52:05] she was like,
[00:52:06] I mean,
[00:52:07] she had the whole conversation with Sam,
[00:52:08] like,
[00:52:08] I don't know about Andy.
[00:52:09] Like,
[00:52:09] I don't know.
[00:52:11] Like Andy gave her his,
[00:52:12] his shot in the dark,
[00:52:14] apparently multiple times.
[00:52:15] Or she gave it to her once and asked for it back multiple times.
[00:52:18] I was a little,
[00:52:19] a little confused about that part of one of her interviews.
[00:52:21] But,
[00:52:22] um,
[00:52:23] but he earned her trust.
[00:52:26] And I think she could have kept him,
[00:52:29] but she,
[00:52:31] she told Mike Bloom,
[00:52:32] that was my mistake of not touching base anymore.
[00:52:35] Um,
[00:52:36] bringing him information,
[00:52:37] talking about what the other tribes are saying.
[00:52:39] And that is a specific portion of this rule.
[00:52:42] We talked about this,
[00:52:43] Jessica.
[00:52:43] There was a stretch of seasons where we talked about checking base time after time,
[00:52:49] after time.
[00:52:49] And I'm not saying she shouldn't have done that.
[00:52:51] She should have.
[00:52:51] Right.
[00:52:52] And,
[00:52:53] you know,
[00:52:53] players need to check in with their allies frequently to ensure they're good and give
[00:52:58] them comfort.
[00:52:59] And the rule even says,
[00:53:00] if you stop checking in,
[00:53:02] people can start to doubt you and you may lose them as an ally.
[00:53:06] It's like,
[00:53:06] I wrote this for the situation.
[00:53:09] Yeah.
[00:53:09] I've done that.
[00:53:10] I mean,
[00:53:11] I mean,
[00:53:12] yeah.
[00:53:14] I mean,
[00:53:15] this has been in the rule since before 2012,
[00:53:18] you know?
[00:53:19] And so I,
[00:53:22] I think she went in on Andy,
[00:53:25] she went in on Andy,
[00:53:26] but not all in,
[00:53:27] you know,
[00:53:28] Yeah.
[00:53:29] If you're going to make a choice like that.
[00:53:31] Yeah.
[00:53:31] She,
[00:53:32] yeah.
[00:53:32] She kept him,
[00:53:33] but then she lost it.
[00:53:35] Yes.
[00:53:35] Yeah.
[00:53:36] But I do.
[00:53:37] I,
[00:53:37] but I,
[00:53:37] I still think though,
[00:53:38] that there is a,
[00:53:39] there is a lot to be said that if on,
[00:53:42] at the very beginning,
[00:53:43] if you have any reservations about working with someone,
[00:53:46] you really need to pay attention to how you're feeling,
[00:53:50] because if this is someone that you were expecting to work long-term and
[00:53:53] also Sam wanted Andy so bad,
[00:53:56] so badly.
[00:53:57] But she also had reservations about,
[00:53:59] about Annika.
[00:54:01] I mean,
[00:54:02] you know,
[00:54:03] she talked about those in her interviews that she had.
[00:54:05] And,
[00:54:06] you know,
[00:54:07] so I think there was a path forward with either of them,
[00:54:10] but I agree.
[00:54:11] I think there was,
[00:54:12] but it just did not.
[00:54:13] It was the keeping up,
[00:54:16] but then you also have to balance that with being too,
[00:54:20] obvious as well,
[00:54:22] but it clearly there's a balance to be had.
[00:54:25] And that wasn't quite struck here.
[00:54:29] But it was so quick that they lost him that it was like.
[00:54:33] Shocking.
[00:54:34] Yeah.
[00:54:34] And I think that part of it,
[00:54:36] another part of this rule reminds people not to underestimate their
[00:54:40] fellow players.
[00:54:41] It says,
[00:54:42] just as you're scheming and plotting,
[00:54:44] it's likely that they are as well.
[00:54:45] And,
[00:54:45] you know,
[00:54:46] between what we just said about Sierra not checking in and some other
[00:54:49] things we will talk about.
[00:54:51] It caused Andy to think and tell us about how Sierra and Sam felt like
[00:54:57] they owned him and considered him expendable.
[00:54:59] It wasn't,
[00:55:00] they were saying it in confessional,
[00:55:02] but he also felt it.
[00:55:04] Yeah.
[00:55:05] Sure.
[00:55:05] Yeah.
[00:55:05] And,
[00:55:06] you know,
[00:55:06] that was,
[00:55:07] I mean,
[00:55:07] that was what led into the,
[00:55:08] he's all that transformation montage.
[00:55:11] But then also they did.
[00:55:13] So,
[00:55:13] so I,
[00:55:14] to be fair to Sierra,
[00:55:15] I think part of this is not entirely her fault in the sense that,
[00:55:20] you know,
[00:55:21] Sue is the one that suggested Andy is the backup book.
[00:55:24] Right.
[00:55:24] And Sam conveyed that to Saul,
[00:55:28] which got back to Andy.
[00:55:30] And I think if you're in Sierra and Sam's position,
[00:55:33] you definitely warned Andy that Sue is putting out there.
[00:55:37] However,
[00:55:37] in the absence of that,
[00:55:39] like Sierra,
[00:55:39] I didn't mess that up technically,
[00:55:42] or at least she didn't,
[00:55:43] she's not the one that gave the name that we saw.
[00:55:46] And there's this new meta of the new era where,
[00:55:50] and it kind of started earlier than that.
[00:55:51] I would say edge of extinction ish where the person that makes the move or
[00:55:56] the biggest threat gets taken out over and over and over again.
[00:55:58] And people run out of runway and meet she asked.
[00:56:01] So because of that meta,
[00:56:02] they want to keep Sam around to be that meat shield,
[00:56:06] which means sacrifice Sierra.
[00:56:08] And that is not entirely her fault.
[00:56:11] Right.
[00:56:11] I mean,
[00:56:12] going back to the vote thing,
[00:56:14] you know,
[00:56:14] she even said in,
[00:56:15] in her interviews that they both agreed with it.
[00:56:20] You know,
[00:56:21] that,
[00:56:21] that,
[00:56:21] that I know we only saw Saul saying,
[00:56:25] well,
[00:56:25] Sam said it,
[00:56:26] but one,
[00:56:28] Andy knows that Sam and Sierra are a pair.
[00:56:30] Um,
[00:56:31] and you know,
[00:56:34] it's from what we've seen and heard and what she said,
[00:56:38] the name,
[00:56:38] his name was already out there and they went along with it.
[00:56:42] Yeah.
[00:56:42] And you know,
[00:56:43] that's what Sierra agreed with also.
[00:56:45] So I think we probably didn't see it,
[00:56:47] but he probably eventually heard that as well.
[00:56:51] And yes,
[00:56:52] being the backup vote sucks.
[00:56:54] Andy had some very good logical points when he told Saul that if Rome had an idol,
[00:56:59] it would have meant Andy was gone from Sierra's point of view,
[00:57:03] she told Mike Bloom,
[00:57:05] they were confident Rome didn't have an idol.
[00:57:07] Uh,
[00:57:07] so Andy would stay,
[00:57:08] but you just said it,
[00:57:10] Omer.
[00:57:10] She wishes she had told him what they were going to do.
[00:57:13] So he didn't find out the way he did.
[00:57:17] And you know,
[00:57:19] then that always also doesn't always work as Keisha.
[00:57:22] I was just going to say,
[00:57:24] yeah,
[00:57:25] but I think it's the base relationship.
[00:57:26] And it seems there was something off about the base relationship where Andy didn't feel secure.
[00:57:31] And that was the root of the problem as opposed to these individual actions.
[00:57:35] Yeah.
[00:57:36] And I do think that she could have given the reasons,
[00:57:40] because she said she had the reasons in her mind.
[00:57:42] Uh,
[00:57:43] well,
[00:57:43] he wants to portray that he's on the bottom anyway.
[00:57:45] So this will fit into it.
[00:57:47] Well,
[00:57:47] that's great,
[00:57:48] but you have to explain it to him.
[00:57:50] Right.
[00:57:51] He needs to feel like he's part of that.
[00:57:52] Right.
[00:57:53] Right.
[00:57:54] You can't just have all these ideas.
[00:57:56] And we'll see as we go through the rest of the rules that there were other times where she was thinking that as well.
[00:58:01] And it's like,
[00:58:03] but did you explain that to him?
[00:58:06] You know?
[00:58:08] Um,
[00:58:09] so.
[00:58:09] And I do think also that.
[00:58:11] But this is a perfect example of having to play the game with the people you're playing the game with.
[00:58:20] Right.
[00:58:20] Where Andy is someone who needs a little more reassurance.
[00:58:24] He,
[00:58:24] he's presented that way since the beginning of the game.
[00:58:27] Mm-hmm.
[00:58:28] Where someone like Sam is like,
[00:58:29] I'm,
[00:58:30] it's good.
[00:58:30] You know,
[00:58:31] it's understood.
[00:58:32] Like,
[00:58:32] I got it.
[00:58:32] And so,
[00:58:33] it's just unfortunate that you end up having to kind of placate to people or to pander to people,
[00:58:42] depending on what their needs are.
[00:58:44] Because I think if Andy had felt like that from the beginning,
[00:58:48] instead of always feeling like I have to try to keep up because they,
[00:58:51] they're not necessarily involving me.
[00:58:53] They're not necessarily keeping me close.
[00:58:55] And even if it can be tiresome,
[00:58:57] you might have to do that because some people just need that reassurance.
[00:59:00] Right.
[00:59:00] Some people just need to know that,
[00:59:02] no,
[00:59:02] we really are a three and you're,
[00:59:04] you're important to us and we want to play the game with you.
[00:59:07] And it's just,
[00:59:08] it's,
[00:59:08] it's difficult when you have to do that,
[00:59:11] but you have to be very mindful of how people are because you can have someone like Andy who really
[00:59:16] takes it to heart.
[00:59:19] And this is what ends up happening.
[00:59:21] Yeah.
[00:59:21] And to have the relationship where you are going off a communal plan that you had discussed of like,
[00:59:27] I'm on the outside,
[00:59:28] blah,
[00:59:28] blah,
[00:59:28] blah,
[00:59:28] blah,
[00:59:29] blah,
[00:59:29] To,
[00:59:30] to pull that off,
[00:59:32] you have to have a really strong base to your power.
[00:59:36] And if that is not there,
[00:59:38] then you still need to like nurture that and build the build.
[00:59:41] Like Mary Ann felt very secure with us.
[00:59:46] So her playing the part on the bottom where we don't really talk to her that much and check in once a day worked out very well because there was a strong foundation of trust.
[00:59:55] But if there wasn't that there,
[00:59:58] then she could have gone rogue just like Andy did.
[01:00:01] sure.
[01:00:01] But also we,
[01:00:02] to be fair,
[01:00:03] we did protect her,
[01:00:05] you know,
[01:00:06] when she was vulnerable,
[01:00:07] whereas they just kind of let Andy be the backup vote.
[01:00:12] So there's also a difference there too.
[01:00:13] But it takes a lot of trust to do the,
[01:00:17] we won't talk to each other strategy.
[01:00:19] Yes.
[01:00:20] And,
[01:00:20] and that's tough to pull off.
[01:00:23] Yeah.
[01:00:26] All right.
[01:00:26] Well,
[01:00:26] we can move to the second rule,
[01:00:27] which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret.
[01:00:31] And one specific thing mentioned in this rule is to avoid being seen as a duo.
[01:00:36] So,
[01:00:37] yeah,
[01:00:38] we've been hearing pretty much all season that the other tribes viewed Sam and Sierra as a duo.
[01:00:44] Uh,
[01:00:44] Sam,
[01:00:45] uh,
[01:00:45] Sierra even said in this episode,
[01:00:47] Sam and I,
[01:00:47] we are like a very strong alliance and like a duo out here.
[01:00:50] And as much as they couldn't understand why people thought that the fact that people did think that after only a few minutes of interaction,
[01:01:02] it was pretty obvious.
[01:01:04] Jessica,
[01:01:04] you and I discussed this before when it first happened.
[01:01:07] Like,
[01:01:08] I think,
[01:01:08] yeah,
[01:01:09] right.
[01:01:09] Yes,
[01:01:10] exactly.
[01:01:11] Um,
[01:01:12] you know,
[01:01:13] not quite the same.
[01:01:14] Yeah.
[01:01:15] Uh,
[01:01:18] they tried to deny it,
[01:01:19] but the only people who believe them were apparently Annika and Rachel until Annika was voted out,
[01:01:24] obviously.
[01:01:25] And of course,
[01:01:27] voting out Annika helped prove the point that they were a duo to everyone else and supported the belief of Kyle and others that they were running the tribe.
[01:01:36] Now,
[01:01:37] admittedly,
[01:01:37] this was unavoidable because they had to vote out someone.
[01:01:40] Um,
[01:01:41] I mean,
[01:01:42] I guess if they had voted out Andy at that point,
[01:01:44] they could have said,
[01:01:45] Oh no,
[01:01:45] we're not a duo.
[01:01:47] It was all four of us.
[01:01:48] Um,
[01:01:49] you know,
[01:01:49] does she cut him loose to avoid that stigma?
[01:01:53] Sam?
[01:01:54] Yeah.
[01:01:55] I,
[01:01:55] yeah,
[01:01:56] I just don't think,
[01:01:57] I mean,
[01:01:59] in theory on it,
[01:02:01] but also he's a very trustworthy ally to her.
[01:02:03] So it's a big,
[01:02:04] but if you're in that position,
[01:02:06] it's like,
[01:02:07] maybe if you're so afraid of that,
[01:02:10] I think that the hard part is she was in,
[01:02:12] not a bad position because as that duo,
[01:02:14] after the merge,
[01:02:15] you would think he would be the one targeted.
[01:02:17] Yeah.
[01:02:18] Instead of her.
[01:02:19] Um,
[01:02:21] but if you want to completely avoid that,
[01:02:23] I think at that point where people are saying it and thinking it,
[01:02:27] maybe you just have to pivot.
[01:02:29] Yeah.
[01:02:29] But then we get back to the,
[01:02:31] uh,
[01:02:31] season.
[01:02:32] What was it?
[01:02:33] Season 45 issue of you're my tightest ally.
[01:02:36] Therefore I must cut you.
[01:02:37] Yes.
[01:02:37] That's which I also hate that.
[01:02:39] Yeah.
[01:02:39] Yeah.
[01:02:41] I mean,
[01:02:41] it would have been a different reason,
[01:02:42] but I just don't think they fully.
[01:02:46] Recognized it,
[01:02:47] you know,
[01:02:47] because they couldn't have,
[01:02:48] because the fact that people on other tribes who interacted with them for all
[01:02:53] of maybe,
[01:02:53] and didn't even interact directly with them,
[01:02:55] saw them on the map before a challenge,
[01:02:57] we're able to pick up on the fact that,
[01:03:00] wow,
[01:03:00] those two are a couple or those two are.
[01:03:03] Did they have a sign?
[01:03:04] I mean,
[01:03:05] it's like they must've been doing something that was so obnoxiously obvious in
[01:03:12] order for the other tribes to pick up on it.
[01:03:14] But also to be fair,
[01:03:16] I think it is also human nature to,
[01:03:19] um,
[01:03:20] you know,
[01:03:21] not want to give credence to something that you don't think is valid.
[01:03:28] And so I think that,
[01:03:30] you know,
[01:03:30] in their mindset,
[01:03:31] they haven't done anything obvious to suggest that this is true.
[01:03:34] And they can pretend that it doesn't.
[01:03:37] And then people reassure them all in the way of,
[01:03:39] yeah,
[01:03:39] we know you guys are not too super tight.
[01:03:41] It's easy to like buy into that and like,
[01:03:44] believe that because you want to believe it.
[01:03:45] And I did run into similar issues where I wanted to believe that I wanted to
[01:03:51] believe something before I went home.
[01:03:54] And I believed it because I,
[01:03:56] it was just easier to do that.
[01:03:58] And that is a trap that's very easy to fall in is the confirmation bias.
[01:04:02] And,
[01:04:03] uh,
[01:04:04] so I think that's also what happened is,
[01:04:06] you know,
[01:04:06] they didn't feel they did anything obvious and there's no basis for other
[01:04:09] tribes to think that.
[01:04:11] And if people are reassuring them along the way of,
[01:04:12] Oh yeah,
[01:04:13] that's crazy.
[01:04:14] Then it's easy to fall in line and be like,
[01:04:16] yeah,
[01:04:16] that's not an issue,
[01:04:17] but it,
[01:04:17] it is an issue.
[01:04:19] Yeah.
[01:04:20] Yeah.
[01:04:20] And I mean,
[01:04:21] Sierra has now acknowledged that,
[01:04:23] you know,
[01:04:24] I mean,
[01:04:24] much like Annika previously said,
[01:04:26] Oh,
[01:04:26] me and Rachel,
[01:04:27] we were,
[01:04:27] we were pretending to be separate.
[01:04:29] And then she's like,
[01:04:30] Oh,
[01:04:30] looking back,
[01:04:31] we were clearly together,
[01:04:32] you know?
[01:04:32] Right.
[01:04:32] And I think Sierra is going through the same thing because she tried to
[01:04:36] work separately from Sam when they got to the merge,
[01:04:38] but it obviously didn't work.
[01:04:40] Uh,
[01:04:40] she told Mike Bloom,
[01:04:42] Sam and I would be goofing off and I would just forget,
[01:04:44] Hey,
[01:04:44] I shouldn't even be looking or talking with Sam.
[01:04:47] Uh,
[01:04:48] and then she said,
[01:04:49] Saul was like,
[01:04:49] I saw it from a mile away.
[01:04:51] You guys were terrifying together.
[01:04:52] You guys were just clicking and bonding with everybody,
[01:04:55] but ultimately coming back to each other.
[01:04:57] And of course,
[01:04:58] you know,
[01:04:59] it didn't help that Andy was pushing it too.
[01:05:01] Uh,
[01:05:01] as he said,
[01:05:02] I think splitting up Sam and Sierra is of the utmost importance.
[01:05:06] Um,
[01:05:06] so yeah,
[01:05:08] I think she didn't see it at the time,
[01:05:11] but now looking back,
[01:05:12] she's like,
[01:05:13] Oh yeah,
[01:05:13] we did not do a real good job of separating ourselves.
[01:05:16] And she also just didn't have,
[01:05:18] it sounds like she didn't have the key relationship with Genevieve because it
[01:05:22] seems like Sam and Genevieve are kind of close.
[01:05:24] And yes,
[01:05:24] she's saying,
[01:05:25] Oh,
[01:05:25] I don't want to go to the end with him,
[01:05:26] but she's saying that while also simultaneously protecting him from the
[01:05:29] vote.
[01:05:30] And so she's a very strong player from what we've seen.
[01:05:34] And if you don't have somebody like that on your side,
[01:05:38] it might fall to you,
[01:05:39] but it's also,
[01:05:41] she's playing so under the radar that,
[01:05:42] you know,
[01:05:43] perhaps that's hard to identify.
[01:05:45] Yeah.
[01:05:46] but I think her not being in Sierra's corner was a big issue.
[01:05:50] Yeah.
[01:05:51] Yeah.
[01:05:51] Now this does of course,
[01:05:53] raise the issue of why Sierra was,
[01:05:56] you know,
[01:05:57] was voted out instead of Sam.
[01:05:58] Now,
[01:05:58] part of that reason we will discuss later,
[01:06:01] but part of it falls within this rule.
[01:06:03] As she said in interviews that she later heard from Kyle,
[01:06:07] that he felt she was the glue holding Sam and Rachel together.
[01:06:12] Yeah.
[01:06:12] And both of them would constantly go to her and bring her information.
[01:06:17] So without her,
[01:06:18] they were two separate players that he could deal with.
[01:06:20] And we saw some of his relationship with Sam.
[01:06:23] So of course he's going to want to keep Sam and get rid of this other person.
[01:06:27] Who's kind of competing for attention.
[01:06:31] Yeah.
[01:06:32] Yeah.
[01:06:33] And I think someone did also talk about keeping Sam because he's the,
[01:06:38] he's the meat shield that you referenced earlier as well.
[01:06:41] That would be something for a later rule that I was talking about.
[01:06:44] Although for Kyle,
[01:06:45] is it not best for him to kind of go with this other group?
[01:06:49] Like his,
[01:06:49] he's not really in a great position with Tuku.
[01:06:54] So maybe he needs to be working with these bigger threats like Rachel that need a home,
[01:06:59] like Rachel,
[01:06:59] Sam and Sierra.
[01:07:00] I don't know that he recognizes where he is with Tuku necessarily.
[01:07:05] Yeah.
[01:07:05] I mean,
[01:07:05] maybe I'm underestimating him,
[01:07:07] but I,
[01:07:07] well,
[01:07:07] he did say I've now won three immunities.
[01:07:10] So that might be a problem for me.
[01:07:12] Yeah.
[01:07:12] Well,
[01:07:13] he said that,
[01:07:13] but before he won the third one,
[01:07:15] some people were like,
[01:07:16] we should get Kyle if he doesn't.
[01:07:18] Now.
[01:07:19] Right.
[01:07:19] I mean,
[01:07:19] he's hurt by the fact that one of those immunities,
[01:07:21] he didn't really win,
[01:07:22] but he's getting credit slash blame for.
[01:07:25] And now he has immunity.
[01:07:27] Now's the time to do something crazy.
[01:07:28] I feel like,
[01:07:29] cause you were not going to go home.
[01:07:31] Yeah.
[01:07:32] Right.
[01:07:33] So.
[01:07:34] All right.
[01:07:34] Well,
[01:07:34] the third rule says that people players should be flexible.
[01:07:38] Um,
[01:07:38] Omer,
[01:07:38] how do you think Sierra did in terms of this rule?
[01:07:42] Um,
[01:07:42] I mean,
[01:07:43] I think that I think,
[01:07:44] I don't think we saw enough to really gauge that component of it.
[01:07:47] I think that she was flexible in the sense that she had two options within her original tribe.
[01:07:54] She chose to go one way to preserve her alliance with Sam and could have been in a fine position dealing with the fallout of that,
[01:08:00] but didn't fully,
[01:08:02] you know,
[01:08:03] follow through on that end and was trying to make other relationships with teeny and all these other people.
[01:08:08] And that's good.
[01:08:10] But,
[01:08:11] um,
[01:08:13] I,
[01:08:13] I feel like she,
[01:08:14] I don't think that there was like,
[01:08:16] I don't think she was bad at this part of it,
[01:08:17] but I don't think we saw enough either.
[01:08:20] Yeah.
[01:08:20] I mean,
[01:08:21] you said basically everything I had,
[01:08:23] you know,
[01:08:23] that,
[01:08:23] that the one person,
[01:08:25] you know,
[01:08:25] she tried to be flexible,
[01:08:26] I think,
[01:08:27] but the one person she did get on her side fully was overruled by everyone else.
[01:08:32] Mm.
[01:08:32] Mm.
[01:08:33] Yeah.
[01:08:34] So just,
[01:08:35] I don't know if you,
[01:08:36] I mean,
[01:08:36] she was very good at it on her original tribe.
[01:08:37] She was right.
[01:08:38] Centerpiece.
[01:08:39] Right there.
[01:08:40] Yes.
[01:08:41] Well,
[01:08:41] and then I think all that makes sense.
[01:08:43] Yeah.
[01:08:43] I think that's an ongoing theme,
[01:08:45] you know,
[01:08:46] spoiler for some of my conclusion,
[01:08:48] uh,
[01:08:48] is,
[01:08:49] uh,
[01:08:49] that,
[01:08:50] you know,
[01:08:50] she was in a much better position on her starting tribe than on the merge
[01:08:53] tribe.
[01:08:54] Uh,
[01:08:55] girl.
[01:08:55] Same.
[01:09:00] All right.
[01:09:00] So we go to the fourth rule,
[01:09:01] which tells players not to let their emotions control them.
[01:09:04] Now,
[01:09:04] Jessica,
[01:09:05] we saw that teeny followed this rule by voting against Sierra,
[01:09:08] but how does Sierra do herself?
[01:09:11] Well,
[01:09:12] I think the fact that she was so willing to continue the relationship with
[01:09:16] Andy speaks volumes about her willingness to not,
[01:09:20] not necessarily let her emotions control her.
[01:09:23] She struggled a lot with Andy.
[01:09:26] She struggled with the dynamics,
[01:09:28] with the relationship that Andy was necessarily having with Sam,
[01:09:32] but she kept trying to come back to the game and say,
[01:09:36] well,
[01:09:36] but I can utilize him as part of the game.
[01:09:38] And so I'm not going to let that make the decision for me.
[01:09:42] Unfortunately,
[01:09:43] it didn't work out for her because he decided to,
[01:09:45] you know,
[01:09:46] I think the theory was there.
[01:09:47] The theory was definitely there.
[01:09:51] Because I think the thing is my impression,
[01:09:53] which I don't,
[01:09:54] I haven't really talked to any of these people to know for sure,
[01:09:55] but the impression I got from watching it and seeing her interviews in the
[01:09:59] confessionals was she wanted to work with Andy.
[01:10:02] She had this in mindset to like keep him on side,
[01:10:04] but there's still part of her that had a reservation or annoyance or
[01:10:08] whatever you want to call it.
[01:10:09] And that was manifesting in interactions that made him feel less safe.
[01:10:13] And so you're,
[01:10:14] you want to be flexible to work with him,
[01:10:17] but the execution of like making him feel comfortable just did not seem to be
[01:10:20] there.
[01:10:21] Um,
[01:10:22] and I think some of that was probably subconscious,
[01:10:24] but probably.
[01:10:25] Yeah.
[01:10:26] Yeah.
[01:10:26] Because then that's where it comes back to those like red flags.
[01:10:28] Like if there's something about someone that you're struggling with,
[01:10:31] it becomes very difficult to necessarily set that aside and play this game
[01:10:36] with them because you're with them 24 seven and you are involved in some of the
[01:10:41] most extreme things you can ever imagine.
[01:10:42] You're hungry.
[01:10:44] You're tired.
[01:10:45] All of these things can be building up.
[01:10:47] And then you have to,
[01:10:48] now I have to be a certain way because I'm working with this person and I
[01:10:51] don't want to necessarily have to be this way,
[01:10:53] but it can end up seeping through even when you're trying.
[01:10:57] We all have that person at work,
[01:10:58] you know?
[01:10:59] Yes.
[01:10:59] Absolutely.
[01:11:00] Not me.
[01:11:01] Not anymore.
[01:11:03] Oh,
[01:11:03] yes.
[01:11:04] It's Jessica.
[01:11:05] They retire you.
[01:11:05] That's right.
[01:11:06] You're right.
[01:11:07] It's just me.
[01:11:08] It's just me.
[01:11:09] Yeah.
[01:11:11] But I'm her boss,
[01:11:12] so it's fine.
[01:11:13] Right.
[01:11:14] Hey,
[01:11:14] listen,
[01:11:15] I'm not doing this podcast without you.
[01:11:16] So I'm just saying.
[01:11:19] True.
[01:11:20] Yeah.
[01:11:20] I think that,
[01:11:22] you know,
[01:11:22] I think she generally did.
[01:11:24] Okay.
[01:11:25] I mean,
[01:11:25] she voted out Annika,
[01:11:26] even though I think she felt more of an emotional bond with Annika
[01:11:29] than with Andy.
[01:11:30] But I think you're also right.
[01:11:32] I think some of it came through that.
[01:11:34] Maybe the reason she,
[01:11:36] you know,
[01:11:36] she may not even realize this.
[01:11:38] Maybe the deep down reason she didn't check in with Andy as much
[01:11:41] was it was more emotionally taxing on her.
[01:11:44] Yeah.
[01:11:45] Yeah.
[01:11:45] You know,
[01:11:46] it's hard to say at that point we're speculating,
[01:11:48] but you know,
[01:11:51] she was,
[01:11:52] and then in the merge,
[01:11:54] she admitted to Mike Bloom,
[01:11:55] she was playing with people she considered friends,
[01:11:58] but also said,
[01:12:00] you have to check yourself and remember you were in the game of
[01:12:02] survivor,
[01:12:02] not a game of forming friendships.
[01:12:04] And I think that also got the best of me.
[01:12:07] Hmm.
[01:12:08] Hmm.
[01:12:08] So.
[01:12:10] All right.
[01:12:11] Well,
[01:12:11] we can move to the fifth rule,
[01:12:12] which reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the
[01:12:16] social game.
[01:12:16] Uh,
[01:12:17] Omer,
[01:12:17] the social game is the most difficult thing to show on TV as we are
[01:12:22] seeing,
[01:12:23] we were seeing it with Rachel and we also saw it,
[01:12:26] I think with Sierra.
[01:12:27] So how do you think Sierra did here?
[01:12:28] Again,
[01:12:29] on her starting tribe,
[01:12:30] like excellent was a center of that.
[01:12:34] I think strategically on her first tribe,
[01:12:36] she had a difficult time,
[01:12:37] like achieving the most agency in terms of decision-making.
[01:12:41] Cause she couldn't get the decisions always to go her way,
[01:12:45] but she was in the best position with everybody as a whole.
[01:12:47] Like,
[01:12:48] I'm sure if you had all of those people rank everybody in the tribe,
[01:12:52] one to whatever,
[01:12:54] she would have the highest average placement.
[01:12:56] Like I'm sure.
[01:12:57] Yeah.
[01:12:57] Yeah.
[01:12:58] Um,
[01:12:58] I think after the merge and it's difficult when they keep splitting
[01:13:01] everybody up every five days or every day,
[01:13:04] um,
[01:13:05] every day,
[01:13:05] time with people.
[01:13:08] Um,
[01:13:09] but I think clearly like very good relationship with teeny and an absent
[01:13:13] relationship with Genevieve and Genevieve happened.
[01:13:16] If those were reversed where Genevieve or teeny had a lot of sway with the
[01:13:20] majority of the group,
[01:13:22] which we saw them try to do,
[01:13:24] but it didn't kind of follow through.
[01:13:26] Is that because most people didn't feel that attached to Sierra or is it
[01:13:31] because Genevieve had a stronger pull than teeny?
[01:13:34] I don't know.
[01:13:35] But I think,
[01:13:37] I don't think her social game was bad.
[01:13:39] I think from what I saw,
[01:13:40] she was very warm and like people liked her,
[01:13:42] but maybe the key relationships that were present were not,
[01:13:46] were missing.
[01:13:47] Like the most,
[01:13:48] the one,
[01:13:48] the most influential people.
[01:13:50] Hmm.
[01:13:51] Yeah.
[01:13:52] Caroline and Genevieve.
[01:13:55] Well,
[01:13:55] and I also do think that there's something to be said about Andy referring to
[01:14:00] them as like being at the cool kids table,
[01:14:02] right?
[01:14:02] That she and Sam,
[01:14:04] that,
[01:14:04] that people were gravitating towards them,
[01:14:06] that they were kind of the center of people just on the tribe.
[01:14:11] So it sounds like they were those social individuals,
[01:14:18] like maybe social butterflies a little bit,
[01:14:19] but not necessarily making the connections I needed to make those close
[01:14:23] connections.
[01:14:23] So people were gravitating towards them and they were really incredible people
[01:14:29] to be around,
[01:14:29] but were they taking it to the next step and really trying to bond with
[01:14:33] particular individuals?
[01:14:35] And as you said,
[01:14:35] Genevieve was certainly someone that Sierra seemed to miss out on,
[01:14:38] but she was able to form a close bond with teeny.
[01:14:41] So it was almost like if it was a natural flow for Sierra,
[01:14:44] she was leaning in hardcore.
[01:14:47] And also to be fair to her,
[01:14:49] even with the absent relationship with Genevieve,
[01:14:50] Genevieve wanted Rachel out.
[01:14:52] Right.
[01:14:53] So she didn't really get her way either,
[01:14:54] but maybe it was a compromise.
[01:14:55] I don't know.
[01:14:56] Yeah.
[01:14:56] Yeah.
[01:14:57] And so,
[01:14:57] so I do think that he was probably just naturally just an enjoyable person
[01:15:02] to be around,
[01:15:03] but then the people that she,
[01:15:04] she connected with naturally,
[01:15:06] she leaned in more heavily and then didn't take the extra step.
[01:15:09] She needed to really connect with the people that she wasn't automatically
[01:15:14] just kind of performing.
[01:15:15] And all the chickens liked her the most as well.
[01:15:17] Yes.
[01:15:20] And chickens are a good judge of character and honest,
[01:15:23] in honesty.
[01:15:24] From what I've seen.
[01:15:25] Are they really?
[01:15:25] I thought that was like dogs.
[01:15:27] I don't trust dogs.
[01:15:29] Yeah.
[01:15:32] It's a good thing.
[01:15:33] I can control the video here,
[01:15:35] Homer,
[01:15:35] because he would have just been like,
[01:15:37] he's gone.
[01:15:38] I can't.
[01:15:40] No Buffalo chicken wings.
[01:15:41] No dogs.
[01:15:43] I know spice.
[01:15:44] I can't.
[01:15:45] I can't.
[01:15:45] Homer.
[01:15:47] Oh,
[01:15:47] I had such high homes.
[01:15:51] How did you not know this about him already?
[01:15:53] Actually,
[01:15:54] David just brought me on here to troll you the whole time.
[01:15:56] That's right.
[01:15:56] That's right.
[01:15:57] I was like,
[01:15:58] here are her main points.
[01:15:59] Really grind your gears.
[01:16:01] Yeah.
[01:16:02] Doing a great job.
[01:16:03] Thanks,
[01:16:04] David.
[01:16:04] Appreciate that.
[01:16:06] So you guys both mentioned Genevieve.
[01:16:10] I think there was one person in particular where she did not do as good a job.
[01:16:19] And we've already mentioned him in the social game.
[01:16:21] And that was Andy.
[01:16:22] And now we already talked in the first rule about,
[01:16:26] you know,
[01:16:26] her not checking in with him enough,
[01:16:28] as well as making him the backup target without talking to him about it.
[01:16:31] But there were at least two other instances on the social side that could have played a role as well.
[01:16:38] The first was not shown on TV,
[01:16:40] but was in the secret scene at the mergatory where they did the schoolyard pick to determine teams.
[01:16:46] And it came down to the last two people,
[01:16:49] Sue and Andy.
[01:16:51] And it was Sierra's turn to pick.
[01:16:55] And Sierra picked Sue,
[01:16:58] leaving Andy standing there as the last person.
[01:17:02] Now he put on a brave face.
[01:17:04] He's like,
[01:17:04] I'm an adult.
[01:17:05] This is not middle school anymore.
[01:17:06] I can handle it.
[01:17:08] But she knows his backstory by that point better than maybe anyone.
[01:17:12] Yeah.
[01:17:12] And I'm sure in her mind,
[01:17:14] it was probably part of the whole idea of not wanting to look like a trio,
[01:17:18] especially since Sam was already on that same team.
[01:17:21] But Rachel too, right?
[01:17:23] I don't remember if Rachel was.
[01:17:25] I remember Sam in particular,
[01:17:27] but it could have been.
[01:17:28] But it seems to me that Andy,
[01:17:31] I mean, we didn't hear it,
[01:17:32] but he had to feel at least a little bit hurt about that.
[01:17:36] Yeah.
[01:17:37] I'm sure.
[01:17:38] And then the other instance was in this episode
[01:17:40] when she had the opportunity to share the peanut butter and chocolate.
[01:17:45] Oh, I know.
[01:17:46] Right.
[01:17:47] And instead of choosing Andy.
[01:17:48] That was nice.
[01:17:49] Yes.
[01:17:49] Yes.
[01:17:50] He had found zero money.
[01:17:52] He had no food.
[01:17:54] He had to sit there the whole time watching other people bid and eat in front of him.
[01:17:59] Yeah.
[01:17:59] She picked Gabe and Caroline.
[01:18:00] Now, I do get why she would pick them.
[01:18:03] They had been screwed on earlier items.
[01:18:05] Gabe had not been on a reward yet.
[01:18:07] Right.
[01:18:08] But Andy didn't even have a chance to bid.
[01:18:10] She could have shown him loyalty.
[01:18:12] She said in interviews,
[01:18:14] this was, again, part of what's going on in her head,
[01:18:17] but not making it to Andy,
[01:18:19] that she didn't have any connections with the two crew members.
[01:18:22] So this gave her an opportunity to open a door.
[01:18:25] And because she already felt good with Andy,
[01:18:29] as she told Dalton Ross,
[01:18:31] I was like,
[01:18:32] he's not going to turn on me.
[01:18:33] I'm not sharing chocolate with him.
[01:18:35] He just ate.
[01:18:35] He got food already.
[01:18:38] And so this was another misstep when it came to him
[01:18:42] and not having a good read on how he might interpret it.
[01:18:46] Now, again,
[01:18:48] do we know that this played into Andy's decision?
[01:18:50] No.
[01:18:51] It sure as hell didn't help.
[01:18:53] Yeah.
[01:18:54] Yeah.
[01:18:54] And people can be pretty aggressive over chocolate and peanut butter.
[01:18:59] That's the thing I would have wanted the most is honestly just peanut butter.
[01:19:02] So it's actually what I ate.
[01:19:03] You get to eat a breakfast before you go out.
[01:19:06] Do they have to wake you up at 2 a.m. as well?
[01:19:09] Oh, they did wake us up at like 2 a.m.
[01:19:11] Yeah.
[01:19:11] So they ate one final meal and I just ate fruit and peanut butter
[01:19:14] because I didn't want to poop outside.
[01:19:16] So I was like,
[01:19:17] I want something high calorie,
[01:19:18] but that's not going to go right through.
[01:19:20] I was so afraid.
[01:19:21] And so peanut butter was really like the best option.
[01:19:25] And the fruit didn't go right through you?
[01:19:27] No.
[01:19:27] Well, I feel like it'd be P it out.
[01:19:29] Maybe I was to say it was fine.
[01:19:30] But anyways,
[01:19:32] I thought that,
[01:19:34] yeah,
[01:19:34] I would want the peanut butter for sure.
[01:19:36] But I think that the,
[01:19:36] I think the decisions she made were the right.
[01:19:39] Well,
[01:19:40] I think maybe take Andy for the peanut butter.
[01:19:42] Yeah.
[01:19:42] And then Caroline,
[01:19:43] but,
[01:19:44] or Gabe,
[01:19:45] one of the two,
[01:19:45] but I think the picking Sue over Andy,
[01:19:48] especially when I think all three of the Gata people were on the same
[01:19:51] side did make sense,
[01:19:52] but you just got to talk to him about it.
[01:19:54] Yeah.
[01:19:55] Well,
[01:19:55] yes.
[01:19:56] And that's the,
[01:19:56] that's the part of all of this.
[01:19:58] I seem it's like the theme for,
[01:20:00] for poor Sierra.
[01:20:01] It all comes back to Andy and what Andy needed,
[01:20:04] which is unfair to Sierra in a way,
[01:20:07] because part of the game.
[01:20:09] I don't know what the other players are doing.
[01:20:11] I'm not,
[01:20:11] I'm not done yet.
[01:20:12] I'm not done yet.
[01:20:13] Like I,
[01:20:14] but it's,
[01:20:15] it is one of those unfortunate situations where if you were choosing to play
[01:20:19] the game with someone who has needs that are a little bit more,
[01:20:23] I mean,
[01:20:24] Sam and Andy couldn't have been any more different as far as what an
[01:20:27] alliance partner is going to bring to the table.
[01:20:29] And you have to be able to figure out how to handle each of those
[01:20:34] individuals.
[01:20:35] And we're not talking about the fact that she didn't pick Sam for the
[01:20:38] peanut butter.
[01:20:39] You know,
[01:20:39] we're talking about she didn't pick Andy for the peanut butter.
[01:20:41] Well,
[01:20:41] Andy didn't have any money.
[01:20:42] And so in the survivor grand scheme of things,
[01:20:46] well,
[01:20:46] who cares?
[01:20:47] He didn't find any money.
[01:20:48] He didn't get to play the game.
[01:20:50] That's on Andy.
[01:20:50] That's not on me.
[01:20:51] But then it becomes on her because he is someone who thinks he's close to
[01:20:55] her.
[01:20:55] And so it's all of these extra little permutations that you have to be
[01:20:59] mindful of when you're playing the game.
[01:21:01] And I can respect her decision to want to say,
[01:21:03] well,
[01:21:03] I need to get close with Caroline and Gabe.
[01:21:06] I have to bring them into my world,
[01:21:08] but nobody else knows that necessarily.
[01:21:10] Necessarily.
[01:21:11] She knows that in her own head,
[01:21:13] but it's the optics of it.
[01:21:15] It's what it looks like.
[01:21:16] And if you have someone who's sitting there who didn't find any money,
[01:21:19] and as much as it might be like the better move for you to pick these other
[01:21:24] people,
[01:21:24] you might just want to go,
[01:21:25] well,
[01:21:25] here's a really easy reason why I'm picking Andy.
[01:21:28] Andy didn't get any money and he didn't get to bid on anything.
[01:21:31] I'm going to bring Andy.
[01:21:32] No one's offended by that.
[01:21:33] No one's offended by that because they understand it.
[01:21:36] But to be fair as well,
[01:21:41] Andy was like the eighth one in on the plan.
[01:21:45] You know,
[01:21:45] they didn't need Andy or the plan.
[01:21:48] So it's like,
[01:21:48] how much was Andy responsible for Gata being left out versus the others
[01:21:56] making a plan and wanting them out and they with or without Andy like that?
[01:22:00] I'm not a hundred percent sure.
[01:22:01] Yeah.
[01:22:02] I've got,
[01:22:03] I've got thoughts on that when we got to get to appendix a,
[01:22:08] but,
[01:22:11] but yeah,
[01:22:12] as far as,
[01:22:14] I mean,
[01:22:15] one of you mentioned that,
[01:22:17] you know,
[01:22:17] she should have told him when it came to the picking.
[01:22:20] Now,
[01:22:20] maybe she did.
[01:22:21] Maybe she had a conversation with him afterwards and said,
[01:22:23] this is why we didn't pick you,
[01:22:25] but here's the problem.
[01:22:27] When it happens again and again and again.
[01:22:29] Yes.
[01:22:30] Yeah.
[01:22:30] And even if she has reasons,
[01:22:32] you know,
[01:22:33] it's like you're dating someone and they keep canceling on you and it
[01:22:37] happens every single time.
[01:22:40] You're going to start thinking,
[01:22:41] well,
[01:22:42] did she really have to wash her hair that night?
[01:22:44] You know,
[01:22:46] did she really have to organize her?
[01:22:48] She did David.
[01:22:50] Sock drawer.
[01:22:51] Yeah.
[01:22:52] So if you ever heard that excuse,
[01:22:55] David,
[01:22:55] I'm sorry.
[01:22:56] I did not.
[01:22:58] They didn't give excuses.
[01:22:59] They just said no.
[01:23:06] But so,
[01:23:07] yeah,
[01:23:07] I mean that,
[01:23:07] you know,
[01:23:08] it becomes part of it.
[01:23:10] All right.
[01:23:10] We can move on to the sixth rule,
[01:23:12] which warns against being too much of a threat.
[01:23:13] And we talked a lot in the second rule about Sierra and Sam being an
[01:23:17] obvious duo along with Kyle spreading around that they were running
[01:23:20] things.
[01:23:20] In addition to that,
[01:23:22] we heard in this episode from Genevieve that the former Gata members are
[01:23:26] quote,
[01:23:27] so charismatic.
[01:23:27] They're so big and strong.
[01:23:30] And to her there,
[01:23:31] they were the most dangerous.
[01:23:33] So clearly one of them had to go.
[01:23:34] And the question was which one Kyle said,
[01:23:38] Sam is more of a physical threat,
[01:23:39] but the social game is the dangerous part.
[01:23:42] And Gabe added,
[01:23:44] I see Sierra as the head of the snake of Gata.
[01:23:48] Now I mentioned a few minutes ago in the fifth rule that we would revisit her
[01:23:52] social game.
[01:23:52] Once we got here and well,
[01:23:55] at least I think I did.
[01:23:56] If not,
[01:23:56] I meant to,
[01:23:58] but you're right.
[01:23:59] Yeah.
[01:23:59] I do think it's necessary because that social game was really what people felt
[01:24:06] more threatened by.
[01:24:08] We discussed earlier how she said,
[01:24:11] Kyle told her later.
[01:24:13] And I don't know exactly when later was,
[01:24:15] but that he felt she was the glue holding Sam and Rachel together.
[01:24:20] I'd already mentioned that.
[01:24:21] And if she really was friends with other people and they were all,
[01:24:26] you know,
[01:24:27] clearly having fun together,
[01:24:28] that would have added to it as well because they'd be like,
[01:24:32] wow,
[01:24:33] she just,
[01:24:33] everybody loves her.
[01:24:35] What's going on here now?
[01:24:37] So somewhat ironically,
[01:24:39] that could mean the more teeny asked why they couldn't target Sam instead,
[01:24:45] the more other people might've been like,
[01:24:48] we really need to target Sierra so that Sierra won't be close to teeny.
[01:24:54] Yeah.
[01:24:55] Yeah.
[01:24:55] No,
[01:24:56] it's a very fine line that you have to balance at that point.
[01:24:59] And teeny,
[01:25:00] I think recognized very quickly where she was falling amongst the group of
[01:25:05] people at that point.
[01:25:07] And knowing enough not to push back and to say,
[01:25:10] okay,
[01:25:10] she tried,
[01:25:11] but I'm not,
[01:25:11] I'm not going to put myself out there.
[01:25:13] Right.
[01:25:13] And kind of let everything fall.
[01:25:17] I'll give my opinion,
[01:25:18] but if they're not willing to accept my offering,
[01:25:21] that's okay.
[01:25:23] Yeah.
[01:25:24] Or,
[01:25:25] you know,
[01:25:26] if they don't like,
[01:25:27] I feel like if Sierra is valuable enough for teeny,
[01:25:31] tell Sierra to play her shot in the dark.
[01:25:33] Yeah.
[01:25:33] Well,
[01:25:33] and that's,
[01:25:34] that's a fine point too.
[01:25:36] Yeah.
[01:25:36] That would have been interesting if she had played her shot in the dark
[01:25:39] and then,
[01:25:40] and no one had known and they'd split the vote.
[01:25:42] Then Sam goes,
[01:25:43] that's that.
[01:25:43] Yeah.
[01:25:45] And maybe that's actually a,
[01:25:48] you know,
[01:25:49] a point in teeny's favor in terms of getting the vote to go her way.
[01:25:53] Yeah.
[01:25:53] If,
[01:25:54] uh,
[01:25:55] it comes out of,
[01:25:55] Oh,
[01:25:55] Sierra's playing her shot in the dark.
[01:25:57] So you guys know,
[01:25:57] you know?
[01:25:58] Yeah.
[01:25:59] Yeah.
[01:25:59] Mm.
[01:25:59] Mm.
[01:26:00] Interesting.
[01:26:01] I like this idea.
[01:26:03] And then we wouldn't have had this whole,
[01:26:04] uh,
[01:26:05] issue of,
[01:26:06] um,
[01:26:08] you know,
[01:26:08] that,
[01:26:08] that kind of just predicting himself with the revote.
[01:26:12] So,
[01:26:12] yeah.
[01:26:13] Although,
[01:26:14] you know,
[01:26:14] I do understand a little bit why you don't do something like that.
[01:26:16] Just because we've seen,
[01:26:18] you know,
[01:26:18] Angelina tell Elizabeth you're going home.
[01:26:22] Oh yeah.
[01:26:22] And then Elizabeth blows it up.
[01:26:24] But I don't think that Angelina and Elizabeth had a strong relationship.
[01:26:28] Right.
[01:26:29] To be able to,
[01:26:31] you know,
[01:26:31] it just didn't hit the same way.
[01:26:33] Well,
[01:26:34] you can also do it like literally.
[01:26:36] Okay.
[01:26:37] We're calling you together.
[01:26:38] You know,
[01:26:39] we're leaving.
[01:26:39] And it's like,
[01:26:40] just very quickly,
[01:26:41] you need to play a shot in the dark.
[01:26:42] That's all.
[01:26:43] Emily did.
[01:26:44] And they had a strong relationship,
[01:26:45] you know?
[01:26:46] Yeah.
[01:26:47] Yeah.
[01:26:48] All right.
[01:26:49] Well,
[01:26:49] the seventh rule covers idols and advantages and game mechanics.
[01:26:52] And Sierra didn't have any of those to deal with directly,
[01:26:54] but she did.
[01:26:56] And we mentioned this earlier,
[01:26:57] uh,
[01:26:57] talking interviews about how Sam's idol find on Gata helped her decide for
[01:27:02] sure that Anika wasn't really with her.
[01:27:04] Uh,
[01:27:05] you know,
[01:27:05] she of course knew about Sam finding the idol and also knew Anika was
[01:27:08] with him.
[01:27:08] So she asked and Anika said,
[01:27:10] no,
[01:27:11] we didn't find anything.
[01:27:12] And later again,
[01:27:15] probably post game,
[01:27:16] but I'm not entirely sure.
[01:27:17] Uh,
[01:27:18] she heard that Anika supposedly wanted Sam to tell her himself,
[01:27:23] but her feeling was if they were really a tight Alliance,
[01:27:26] why would they care about Sam telling her?
[01:27:29] So that's why I'm not sure if it was post game or within the game that
[01:27:32] she confronted.
[01:27:32] it's interesting because we saw that.
[01:27:34] And then we saw the Caroline thing where Caroline confronted Sue and
[01:27:37] Sue denied it.
[01:27:39] And then Caroline's like,
[01:27:40] come on,
[01:27:40] you know,
[01:27:41] like,
[01:27:41] and use that to build a stronger bond.
[01:27:44] Right.
[01:27:45] Sierra took that as a,
[01:27:46] okay,
[01:27:46] you're not telling me it's over for us.
[01:27:49] And,
[01:27:49] you know,
[01:27:50] I don't know.
[01:27:51] I feel like,
[01:27:52] I feel like sometimes,
[01:27:54] um,
[01:27:56] even if you're very loyal to somebody,
[01:27:58] it doesn't always benefit.
[01:28:00] Even you or that person that you're withholding information from to know
[01:28:04] everything at all times.
[01:28:05] Yes.
[01:28:06] I agree wholeheartedly.
[01:28:07] I think it was a balance,
[01:28:08] but I think the problem is that Sierra knew that she knew something.
[01:28:12] Right.
[01:28:13] And that's where withholding is a bit tough.
[01:28:15] And I think that that more falls on Annika in that situation.
[01:28:20] Yeah.
[01:28:20] And I think that visiting that are pushing a little bit on Annika might've
[01:28:24] been better.
[01:28:25] Like,
[01:28:25] no,
[01:28:25] no,
[01:28:25] I actually,
[01:28:25] I,
[01:28:26] I know,
[01:28:26] I know that you found something with him.
[01:28:29] You're like,
[01:28:29] it's almost like walking into the conversation in a different way.
[01:28:33] Like,
[01:28:33] Oh,
[01:28:33] so you and Sam found blah,
[01:28:35] blah,
[01:28:35] blah.
[01:28:35] Yeah.
[01:28:36] And just kind of see what her reaction would be to that.
[01:28:39] I think her reaction would have been,
[01:28:40] Oh yeah.
[01:28:40] I was going to tell you.
[01:28:42] Yeah.
[01:28:43] Or,
[01:28:43] uh,
[01:28:43] you know,
[01:28:44] Oh yeah.
[01:28:45] Now that you're both here,
[01:28:46] let me tell you.
[01:28:47] Yeah.
[01:28:50] Who's to say.
[01:28:51] Yeah.
[01:28:52] All right.
[01:28:52] We could go to appendix a,
[01:28:53] which is about the players keeping their end goals in mind when voting.
[01:28:56] And we talk about voting out the weak,
[01:28:58] then the strong and the weak,
[01:28:59] then the strong at this point in the game,
[01:29:01] they should be voting out the strong.
[01:29:03] But that word doesn't just mean like muscles.
[01:29:07] Uh,
[01:29:08] but as this appendix notes,
[01:29:10] quote,
[01:29:10] strong also means those who can organize others.
[01:29:13] And we just talked about how they view Sierra in that light.
[01:29:17] Yeah.
[01:29:19] And they spent a lot of time at tribal council talking about getting rid of
[01:29:23] the most threatening player at this point in time.
[01:29:25] So it seemed like they were all thinking about this as well when they were
[01:29:29] going into that vote.
[01:29:30] See,
[01:29:30] I feel like the,
[01:29:32] the meta of the game is still shifting a little bit.
[01:29:35] And I did find that there's 11 people left now when there's 11 people left
[01:29:39] on our beach,
[01:29:39] we were not looking to vote up most threatening player.
[01:29:43] It was,
[01:29:44] uh,
[01:29:45] still kind of picking out the outsiders until you can make out a,
[01:29:49] or make a bigger move.
[01:29:51] Um,
[01:29:52] and I think in this case,
[01:29:55] for a lot of the people,
[01:29:58] it does make sense to knock out someone who is not overtly threatening,
[01:30:02] but is a very capable person like her.
[01:30:05] but sometimes I also just think that the ball does not bounce in the right
[01:30:08] direction.
[01:30:09] And that doesn't always fall on the player.
[01:30:10] I think,
[01:30:11] especially as a merger,
[01:30:12] there's so many people,
[01:30:14] sometimes things are a little bit out of your control with how they fall.
[01:30:18] And so I feel like Sierra is kind of in that category a little bit,
[01:30:22] but I just don't think we saw enough of her game and why people voted her
[01:30:26] out specifically.
[01:30:27] Cause it seemed like people were voting her out either for being too good or
[01:30:31] because of her link to somebody else.
[01:30:34] And,
[01:30:35] uh,
[01:30:36] kind of sucks,
[01:30:36] you know?
[01:30:37] Yeah.
[01:30:37] I mean,
[01:30:38] you mentioned that,
[01:30:39] you know,
[01:30:39] people pick off some of the outsiders.
[01:30:41] I don't know that there are quote outsiders here.
[01:30:44] I think they mingled so much that you have these different groups coming
[01:30:48] together in different ways.
[01:30:50] Um,
[01:30:51] and I think that there were in this,
[01:30:53] in this group,
[01:30:54] a lot of different viewpoints that came together.
[01:30:58] Right.
[01:30:59] It was,
[01:31:00] it was really somewhat impressive that there were,
[01:31:04] as Genevieve said,
[01:31:05] so many cooks in the kitchen.
[01:31:06] Some wanted Rachel out.
[01:31:07] Some wanted Sam out.
[01:31:08] Some want Sierra out yet.
[01:31:10] They eventually came to a consensus and they made it work.
[01:31:14] And it's crazy that there's so many cooks in the kitchen when there's no
[01:31:17] food.
[01:31:17] Right.
[01:31:18] Because we don't get any food,
[01:31:20] Jessica,
[01:31:22] in the new era.
[01:31:24] Listen,
[01:31:26] also 39 days.
[01:31:28] Yeah.
[01:31:28] I'm just going to say.
[01:31:29] Yeah.
[01:31:30] I know.
[01:31:30] I know.
[01:31:31] Remember,
[01:31:32] I'm supposed to get your goat on this.
[01:31:34] I know.
[01:31:36] So it's like day four.
[01:31:41] And they've already merged.
[01:31:43] Yeah.
[01:31:44] And I'm so hungry.
[01:31:45] Yeah.
[01:31:45] Four days.
[01:31:48] I mean,
[01:31:50] this is the,
[01:31:51] now this next part,
[01:31:52] you know,
[01:31:53] is what I had mentioned earlier,
[01:31:54] because as far as Sierra was concerned in her interview,
[01:31:57] she gave Andy all the credit for her boot telling Dalton Ross.
[01:32:01] Interesting.
[01:32:02] He was quote a hundred percent responsible for me sitting here today.
[01:32:07] I like Andy a lot.
[01:32:09] Love it.
[01:32:09] I would not go that far.
[01:32:12] She said,
[01:32:13] we all need to do our best.
[01:32:14] Andy.
[01:32:15] Yeah.
[01:32:16] Hold on.
[01:32:16] Hold on.
[01:32:17] Let me shake.
[01:32:17] Let me shake all my hair.
[01:32:21] He could be like a Pantene commercial.
[01:32:23] Oh my God.
[01:32:24] It was so good.
[01:32:25] That was great.
[01:32:27] She said she knows Andy had to be the one pushing her name because she
[01:32:31] wanted,
[01:32:32] or he wanted to keep Sam as a closer ally.
[01:32:34] And she also noted he brought in Lavo by assault.
[01:32:38] And we saw he also made an alliance with Genevieve.
[01:32:41] So yes,
[01:32:43] I agree.
[01:32:43] He played a major role.
[01:32:45] You know,
[01:32:46] Homer,
[01:32:46] you said earlier,
[01:32:47] he seemed to be brought in late,
[01:32:49] but I don't,
[01:32:50] I don't know.
[01:32:51] He had that.
[01:32:53] Yeah.
[01:32:53] I kind of changed my opinion now because I forgot that Saul is like a big
[01:32:56] window into why this happened.
[01:32:59] And if Andy and Saul want to stick with Gata,
[01:33:02] they probably could just do that.
[01:33:04] Yeah.
[01:33:05] And they did it.
[01:33:06] So kind of back and forth now,
[01:33:09] you know?
[01:33:10] Okay.
[01:33:10] Um,
[01:33:11] so I do think he played a major role,
[01:33:14] just not a hundred percent because we've already gone over a lot of the
[01:33:17] reasons that other people wanted Sierra out.
[01:33:20] And yeah,
[01:33:21] he was not the only one saying those things.
[01:33:24] Well,
[01:33:25] and I think it was such an interesting dynamic too,
[01:33:28] to see how many people were being considered,
[01:33:30] you know,
[01:33:31] who wanted who to go home.
[01:33:33] And it was,
[01:33:34] everyone kind of had a different reason for why this person needed to be voted out.
[01:33:37] Saul was like,
[01:33:38] I'm saving Rachel.
[01:33:39] I've done so much work to keep her here.
[01:33:41] Certainly don't want her going home.
[01:33:43] and you had Genevieve who wanted someone else to be voted out and teeny disagreed and
[01:33:47] wanted Sam to go.
[01:33:48] And so it was like,
[01:33:48] all of these people were really coming up with their own reasons because they are very game centered and what's going to be best for their own game.
[01:33:56] And they were all able to come to a somewhat of a consensus relative to Sierra for various reasons,
[01:34:04] but they did all kind of come back to Sierra.
[01:34:06] I wonder if,
[01:34:08] you know,
[01:34:09] I,
[01:34:09] I,
[01:34:09] that's part of it.
[01:34:11] It's like,
[01:34:11] okay,
[01:34:13] Genevieve really wants Rachel out.
[01:34:15] Saul really wants Rachel to stay.
[01:34:18] So they kind of cancel each other.
[01:34:20] You know,
[01:34:20] this person wants this,
[01:34:22] this,
[01:34:22] this person wants that teeny was the only one that we saw defending Sierra.
[01:34:29] Right.
[01:34:29] And so I think that everything,
[01:34:31] you know,
[01:34:32] to cause to,
[01:34:33] to keep this group together without causing a fight that would suddenly cause who knows who to get targeted.
[01:34:40] I think they all just closed in on the one person who only had one defender.
[01:34:46] Mm hmm.
[01:34:48] That makes sense.
[01:34:49] I,
[01:34:50] uh,
[01:34:51] I've lost my train of thought.
[01:34:53] Okay.
[01:34:54] Um,
[01:34:55] and I'll,
[01:34:56] so I'll continue then and just say,
[01:34:57] plus you had people like Andy pushing for Sierra,
[01:35:01] which is why I think Sierra gave him the a hundred percent credit.
[01:35:04] Right.
[01:35:04] But,
[01:35:05] right.
[01:35:05] Uh,
[01:35:05] so I think Andy plus whoever kind of outweighed teeny.
[01:35:10] Mm hmm.
[01:35:11] Oh yeah.
[01:35:11] I wanted to see somebody and they were like,
[01:35:13] I want Rachel out.
[01:35:14] I want Sierra.
[01:35:15] I want Sam out.
[01:35:16] And I wanted someone to get cut to be like,
[01:35:18] I don't give a shit.
[01:35:19] Yeah.
[01:35:20] As long as it wasn't me.
[01:35:22] Right.
[01:35:23] Anybody but me.
[01:35:24] Yeah.
[01:35:25] Yeah.
[01:35:25] I do think there is something like,
[01:35:27] I think these people are all clearly just trying to like buy their time to do something else.
[01:35:31] And so maybe a vote like this doesn't matter that much.
[01:35:35] Mm hmm.
[01:35:36] In terms of,
[01:35:37] uh,
[01:35:37] you know,
[01:35:38] yeah.
[01:35:38] It's like in certain individuals,
[01:35:40] because maybe they can pick up the pieces with whoever's left and you don't spend your social capital at this time.
[01:35:46] Right.
[01:35:46] To nitpick between which GATA goes.
[01:35:48] Um,
[01:35:49] but I don't know.
[01:35:49] Maybe some people thought that way.
[01:35:51] Maybe they didn't.
[01:35:52] Sue didn't seem to really care that much.
[01:35:54] Mm hmm.
[01:35:54] Kyle didn't seem to care that much.
[01:35:56] Yeah.
[01:35:57] As long as it was one of them,
[01:35:58] it was,
[01:35:58] he was like,
[01:35:58] although Kyle was one of the main people pushing for Sierra.
[01:36:02] So.
[01:36:02] Oh,
[01:36:02] right.
[01:36:03] I forgot about that.
[01:36:03] I feel like Kyle should have gone with them,
[01:36:05] but you know,
[01:36:06] maybe he'll be fine.
[01:36:07] Who's this?
[01:36:07] Maybe he'll win every immunity.
[01:36:09] He might.
[01:36:10] He might.
[01:36:11] That would be crazy.
[01:36:12] I do want to mention Andy a little bit more here because I wonder if he's going to change the way future players think about kind of his archetype early in the game.
[01:36:23] Because originally someone like him would have been voted out right away.
[01:36:27] Yes.
[01:36:28] Okay.
[01:36:28] Right.
[01:36:29] The meta going into this season was you take someone who appears to be like him and you mold and use them.
[01:36:39] You turn them into your Emily.
[01:36:41] You turn them into what you wanted to do with Banu, but was unable to do.
[01:36:47] Now,
[01:36:48] now though,
[01:36:48] with Andy kind of coming into his own.
[01:36:52] I think that idea is going to flip back and be like,
[01:36:56] we just,
[01:36:57] we just,
[01:36:57] we just need to get rid of them right away.
[01:36:59] We're not going to deal with this.
[01:37:00] Listen,
[01:37:00] I've been saying this for quite some time.
[01:37:03] Andy is like one of the most dangerous players in this new era of survivor,
[01:37:07] because there is this idea that exists around people like Andy,
[01:37:13] who other players like,
[01:37:15] Oh,
[01:37:15] I can use this person to my benefit.
[01:37:17] And I will take them under my wing and I will,
[01:37:20] I will now have a second vote.
[01:37:22] So this is the most dangerous person.
[01:37:24] Like you need,
[01:37:27] it really,
[01:37:28] because we've seen it so often.
[01:37:30] And,
[01:37:31] and I do think that it is something that it's almost like once these individuals get their footing,
[01:37:36] they're off to the races and you've given them the opportunity to kind of build themselves up because at the beginning it's,
[01:37:45] they,
[01:37:45] they appear unthreatening,
[01:37:47] but they're just gathering information.
[01:37:48] I saw with Caroline too.
[01:37:50] Yes.
[01:37:50] Or Carolyn.
[01:37:52] Yes.
[01:37:52] Not Caroline,
[01:37:53] Carolyn.
[01:37:54] But I mean,
[01:37:54] yes,
[01:37:55] that's very true because the thing is people at the bottom,
[01:37:58] if they are very capable players,
[01:38:00] because the thing is you have 20 people,
[01:38:02] 18 people,
[01:38:03] whatever.
[01:38:04] People are going to naturally be at the bottom.
[01:38:06] People are going to naturally be at the top.
[01:38:07] The people that fall to the bottom,
[01:38:09] there's so many fans now and people that know what they're doing,
[01:38:12] that there are people at the bottom that are actually very capable of players that the ball didn't bounce their way.
[01:38:16] And Andy,
[01:38:17] obviously,
[01:38:18] you know,
[01:38:18] had a big explosion.
[01:38:20] Marianne is somebody who's extremely capable player,
[01:38:22] but she fell to the bottom of our tribe and at the merge was at the bottom of the tribe.
[01:38:27] And Andy as well.
[01:38:29] Like those are two people.
[01:38:30] They obviously had different reasons they were at the bottom,
[01:38:32] but they are both extraordinarily intelligent.
[01:38:35] And once they get their footing,
[01:38:38] like you said,
[01:38:38] it is,
[01:38:39] it's extraordinarily dangerous.
[01:38:41] And I think that,
[01:38:42] you know,
[01:38:44] Sierra and Sam did Andy a favor and they turned and,
[01:38:47] and,
[01:38:47] you know,
[01:38:48] at one point it wasn't in his best interest to keep them around and he cut them loose.
[01:38:51] I did Marianne favor after favor.
[01:38:53] And it,
[01:38:55] you know,
[01:38:56] you,
[01:38:56] and I would,
[01:38:56] I even said,
[01:38:57] she has an extra vote.
[01:38:59] That's my extra vote.
[01:39:01] Um,
[01:39:02] et cetera,
[01:39:02] et cetera.
[01:39:03] And then eventually when they get their footing enough,
[01:39:07] that's when they can strike.
[01:39:08] And it is,
[01:39:09] um,
[01:39:09] and they're capable of doing that.
[01:39:11] Whereas other people at the bottom don't have the ability to do something like that.
[01:39:15] So yeah.
[01:39:18] Yeah.
[01:39:19] Future players take note.
[01:39:22] All right.
[01:39:23] Well,
[01:39:23] for the first time this season,
[01:39:24] we need to talk about appendix B,
[01:39:26] which discusses the jury phase.
[01:39:28] Um,
[01:39:29] Oh my gosh.
[01:39:30] Yes.
[01:39:30] Including preparing yourself for being in final three and also preparing the jury to want to vote for you.
[01:39:36] Um,
[01:39:37] I don't really think any of that played a role when it came to Sierra.
[01:39:40] I mean,
[01:39:40] a couple of people were probably extra nice to her on her way out because she was about to become the
[01:39:45] mayor of Ponderosa.
[01:39:46] But this is why I think it was a mistake for Andy to actually vote her out right now.
[01:39:51] Okay.
[01:39:51] I do think the mayor of Ponderosa.
[01:39:54] Oh,
[01:39:56] talks.
[01:39:57] Well,
[01:39:57] it depends.
[01:39:58] I mean,
[01:39:58] she claims,
[01:40:00] uh,
[01:40:00] she claimed at the time and she claims in her interviews,
[01:40:03] I would not holding a grudge.
[01:40:05] I'm,
[01:40:06] you know,
[01:40:06] going based on game.
[01:40:07] If she went in there a hundred percent believing Andy was responsible,
[01:40:15] he,
[01:40:15] you know,
[01:40:16] he makes it the final three.
[01:40:17] And in theory he has her vote.
[01:40:19] Well,
[01:40:19] I see,
[01:40:19] I disagree in some sense.
[01:40:21] Well,
[01:40:21] okay.
[01:40:21] People always say that.
[01:40:22] I know.
[01:40:23] I said,
[01:40:23] Sierra says that,
[01:40:25] and she's not like that.
[01:40:26] But the thing is people can also use whatever they want to justify whatever they want.
[01:40:32] The jury.
[01:40:33] I don't know if Jessica's experience.
[01:40:35] The jury is extraordinarily unpredictable in terms of how they feel in the game versus out of the game.
[01:40:40] I was shocked when I got to Ponderosa and the people's opinions on the people in the game was completely opposite to what made sense at the time.
[01:40:48] And their perceptions as well were so warped about what was actually happening because they didn't have all the information,
[01:40:54] but they acted like they did.
[01:40:56] And it's like they feed off of each other.
[01:40:58] They get one piece of the pie and they get two pieces of the pie and then three.
[01:41:02] But they always think that that whole pie is the whole picture.
[01:41:05] And they don't understand that there are more things going on.
[01:41:08] I think you're describing life in general.
[01:41:10] Yes,
[01:41:10] that is very true.
[01:41:12] But if you were Sierra or whomever, and you think that Andy voting you out was a mistake,
[01:41:19] you could easily justify saying, and I'm saying this is what she would do,
[01:41:23] but like I'm voting for the best player and I would never vote for Andy because he made such a stupid move.
[01:41:28] He should have done that later.
[01:41:29] Or I had really had his back or whatever it may be.
[01:41:32] People can justify whatever they want.
[01:41:34] And I think that putting her as the first juror like that
[01:41:40] is something that could potentially be very, very risky.
[01:41:44] It could.
[01:41:45] I think putting Sam as the first juror would have been worse for him.
[01:41:47] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:41:48] That's why I'm like, is the question, did Andy do it too soon?
[01:41:51] Like, I don't know.
[01:41:52] But I think the first person on the jury is very important.
[01:41:57] Yes, I don't disagree.
[01:41:59] Because they will have the most time to gather information and to sway information
[01:42:05] because they're going to be sitting through everybody walking through those doors
[01:42:09] and then everyone having those conversations.
[01:42:12] And so they can really kind of manage the narrative if they would like to.
[01:42:17] So I do think that that's a very interesting point as to how she's going to respond
[01:42:22] because she might be one of those jurors that says,
[01:42:25] well, I respect you because you took me out and you needed to.
[01:42:29] And if he leans in on that and says, well, I had to take you up because you were the biggest threat.
[01:42:34] Well, then that's a pat on her back and she can feel better about herself.
[01:42:37] Like, oh, well, that's why he voted me out.
[01:42:39] So I guess it would depend on if he is in the final three,
[01:42:42] how his selling point to her will be in regards to this particular vote.
[01:42:47] And it will also be the people that come in.
[01:42:49] Like, what are they saying about it?
[01:42:50] Because she's going to be primed on Andy,
[01:42:54] but she won't have a chance to hear from Andy about this specific thing until the very end.
[01:42:58] And that's why even on your season, at the end of the day,
[01:43:03] that's why the whole jury believed that dragons were secretly a conspiracy by the government
[01:43:08] to not, that were in existence.
[01:43:10] You know, like that's how much influence Michelle had.
[01:43:13] Michelle really took over.
[01:43:15] She did.
[01:43:16] So, um, you know, like whatever these people come in and talk about Andy,
[01:43:21] if they're framing it in a positive way, perhaps she'll go that way.
[01:43:23] But if they come in and they're like, well, I don't know why he turned on you.
[01:43:26] Then it's very easy to like turn the other way on that.
[01:43:29] Right.
[01:43:29] Sure.
[01:43:29] Right.
[01:43:30] Okay.
[01:43:31] All right.
[01:43:32] Well, it is about time to wrap things up.
[01:43:34] So, Omer, what are your final thoughts on Sierra?
[01:43:37] Um, I thought that Sierra was a champion of the chickens.
[01:43:40] Very personable person.
[01:43:41] Um, I really liked her.
[01:43:43] I think that she didn't, um, uh, get the best well-rounded edit that I think that she probably
[01:43:51] deserved given how central she was to the storyline and especially on her first tribe.
[01:43:55] Um, but she did a great job.
[01:43:58] Yeah.
[01:43:59] Bring her back and bring her back with chickens.
[01:44:01] That's what I always say.
[01:44:04] I want survivor 50 to be Sierra and 19 chickens.
[01:44:08] What about Ty?
[01:44:09] Can Ty be on it too?
[01:44:10] Um, maybe he could be a reward.
[01:44:13] Yeah.
[01:44:14] Oh, a chicken reward.
[01:44:17] Yes.
[01:44:18] I love that.
[01:44:19] I'm just thinking of Gonzo the Muppet.
[01:44:21] Yeah.
[01:44:22] I'm thinking of Gonzo the Muppet with all his chickens, you know.
[01:44:25] Oh my gosh.
[01:44:25] Oh, that's one of my favorites.
[01:44:27] I love him.
[01:44:28] I don't know what you're talking about.
[01:44:30] You don't know the Muppet?
[01:44:31] I know Gonzo.
[01:44:32] I don't know this chicken's story.
[01:44:34] I never watched the Muppet.
[01:44:35] Well, he was in love with his chickens.
[01:44:37] Yes.
[01:44:38] Yes.
[01:44:38] Yes.
[01:44:39] Hmm.
[01:44:40] That was a lovely story.
[01:44:41] Yes.
[01:44:41] I'm going to jump in my garbage can after this.
[01:44:43] Okay.
[01:44:46] That's a whole different Muppet.
[01:44:47] Not a different story.
[01:44:48] That is.
[01:44:49] Different Muppet.
[01:44:50] Different Muppet.
[01:44:51] The proper Muppet.
[01:44:52] Yeah.
[01:44:53] The best Muppet.
[01:44:53] Yes.
[01:44:57] All right.
[01:44:57] Well, Jessica, what do you think?
[01:44:59] Well, I, Sierra's pregame interviews were inclusive of stating that I think I was just
[01:45:06] born for this game.
[01:45:07] There's no other way to put it.
[01:45:08] My physical abilities, my social abilities.
[01:45:10] I'm like, we're going to thrive out here.
[01:45:13] It's something that my family, it brought us together.
[01:45:15] So she really came into this game feeling like this was her time.
[01:45:21] And I, and I do feel like she took that approach because she was someone who was very into watching
[01:45:28] all of the season.
[01:45:29] She understood the game and I think she understood herself enough to know what her abilities were
[01:45:36] going to be when she went out there.
[01:45:38] But what I don't think she spent enough time doing was thinking about how those abilities could be a problem for her
[01:45:45] out there when she's playing this game.
[01:45:47] And someone who has the ability to kind of ingratiate themselves with people or find someone and connect
[01:45:54] and bond, because that's not something that everyone is just naturally good at.
[01:45:57] Some people are just not naturally good at connecting with complete strangers.
[01:46:02] And she seemed to be able to do that.
[01:46:04] And unfortunately for her, I think that worked in her detriment or to her detriment because of Sam.
[01:46:10] Sam was someone that she met quickly.
[01:46:13] They bonded the first night and then suddenly they were a duo and that was that.
[01:46:18] And everybody saw it, not just their tribe, but the other tribe saw it.
[01:46:22] And they saw it on the mat when they were there for a few minutes.
[01:46:24] And then that became part of her story.
[01:46:27] That became part of the narrative attached to Sierra.
[01:46:30] It was Sierra and Sam.
[01:46:31] It was never just Sierra.
[01:46:32] It was always Sierra and Sam.
[01:46:34] And unfortunately, when you have a duo, one of them's got to go, right?
[01:46:41] You know what that means for you.
[01:46:43] I know.
[01:46:44] I'm the second one.
[01:46:46] So you don't ever take out the Sam.
[01:46:48] You take out the one next to.
[01:46:50] So here I go.
[01:46:51] So that's it.
[01:46:52] I guess you got to step up.
[01:46:53] And you were part of that history, Biggie.
[01:46:57] I was.
[01:46:58] They almost got married out there.
[01:47:00] Okay.
[01:47:00] I'm just saying.
[01:47:02] That almost happened.
[01:47:03] Which considering what happened afterwards probably would not have been good.
[01:47:07] It wouldn't have been a great look for sure.
[01:47:09] But as far as Sierra is concerned, I think Sierra really did do a great job out there and really putting forth everything that she knew herself to be capable of.
[01:47:21] But unfortunately didn't realize that what she was so capable of was also going to work against her in the end.
[01:47:27] She needed to spend more time with those people that didn't share the same components like she had, where they just had a natural ability to connect.
[01:47:37] And that would be Andy.
[01:47:38] You have to spend a little bit more time with those individuals that you've decided to play the game with.
[01:47:43] Even if they have to be treated differently or be handled a little bit differently than you would expect to be needed to be treated.
[01:47:52] She just needed to really reach out to Andy more than she did.
[01:47:55] And unfortunately, she didn't.
[01:47:56] And I think for her, Andy was a big part of why she went home.
[01:48:01] But I think also just her social capital was another big reason why she ended up going home.
[01:48:06] Yeah.
[01:48:09] Sierra had a very good pre-merge.
[01:48:12] She had a super tight ally in Sam, another alliance with Annika and Rachel.
[01:48:16] Plus, she had Andy's loyalty.
[01:48:18] It was damn near perfect.
[01:48:20] Except, of course, the part about her duo with Sam.
[01:48:24] Word of that spreading like wildfire outside Gata.
[01:48:27] And there wasn't anything she could do to stop it.
[01:48:29] When she got to the merge, she had a plan to try to counter it.
[01:48:33] Make new allies while holding on to her original goddess.
[01:48:37] But that's where things fell apart.
[01:48:39] Only one part of that worked.
[01:48:41] Making new allies slash friends.
[01:48:43] But in the meantime, she and Sam were even more clearly marked as being an extremely tight duo.
[01:48:49] And as the two running the show.
[01:48:52] And while she was off making new friends, she lost her grip on Andy while taking him for granted.
[01:48:58] Helping to turn him into an enemy with a vendetta instead.
[01:49:03] On top of all that, the new friends she made, well, they followed rule four.
[01:49:07] And in the words of Teenie and Tribal Council, we're friends, but it's not a game of friends.
[01:49:12] It's a game of Survivor.
[01:49:13] And there's only one winner.
[01:49:15] They turned on her for a few reasons.
[01:49:18] One was, of course, Andy pushing the narrative.
[01:49:20] But it went beyond that.
[01:49:22] Others saw the need to split up the duo.
[01:49:24] And there were reasons to consider her a bigger threat than Sam.
[01:49:28] Standing them side by side, you might not think so.
[01:49:31] And she voiced her opinion on that matter as she was leaving.
[01:49:35] But as Kyle recognized, the social game is the dangerous part.
[01:49:40] Sierra was very good at that portion of the game when it came to most people.
[01:49:44] Too good, as it turned out.
[01:49:46] Or at least too good compared to Sam.
[01:49:49] And that is why Sierra lost.
[01:49:55] Thank you.
[01:49:56] There we are.
[01:49:57] Thank you.
[01:49:59] All right.
[01:50:00] Well, before we get to our predictions, where I will correctly predict the third person in a row.
[01:50:07] Oh, good.
[01:50:08] I'll go after you.
[01:50:08] I want to let everyone know that next week we will have returning guest, Dr. Jeremy Faust.
[01:50:15] We had him on last season.
[01:50:17] We got so many compliments about his game analysis that we're bringing him back.
[01:50:21] He's fantastic as well.
[01:50:23] Is that the guy who, like, investigated COVID?
[01:50:27] Yes.
[01:50:28] Yeah.
[01:50:28] Among other things.
[01:50:29] Yes.
[01:50:30] He's...
[01:50:30] I don't know how he has time for Survivor.
[01:50:32] He's an ER doctor, a father, and he does, like, scientific investigations also.
[01:50:39] And so, yes, he writes papers.
[01:50:41] And I'll be sure to ask him if he loves buffalo chicken wings.
[01:50:45] Yes.
[01:50:45] Yeah.
[01:50:46] Well, it doesn't matter what he said.
[01:50:48] You're still wrong.
[01:50:49] And also, I was making a Fauci joke, but I didn't realize that he actually does that stuff.
[01:50:53] Oh, okay.
[01:50:54] Yeah.
[01:50:55] I was like, wow, you know him.
[01:50:58] He does correspond to different contenders.
[01:51:01] That's incredible.
[01:51:02] Players.
[01:51:03] But also, I want to remind everyone, of course, that the rules we just discussed are available
[01:51:09] in the shorter poster form, as well as T-shirt form and as a checklist.
[01:51:17] So, again, go to robhazwebsite.com slash yxlossbeed for that.
[01:51:25] And perhaps you would like to follow us or look for us on social media.
[01:51:29] I am at jessicalewis89 on Twitter, and I'm also at jessicalewis6789 on Instagram.
[01:51:35] But I am not as social as this guy, David Bloomberg over here, who has so many social media platforms
[01:51:43] that he has a link tree in order to find all of the locations where you can find all of his content.
[01:51:49] And I'm sure that we will also hear from, I just want to say the name that is at the bottom
[01:51:55] of your screen so badly.
[01:51:57] Talk to bro.
[01:52:01] As to where you could find him as well.
[01:52:05] So, David, why don't you talk about your link tree?
[01:52:07] And then Omar can talk about how people can locate him.
[01:52:10] Well, yes.
[01:52:10] I am at link tree slash David Bloomberg with a dot before the EE in the URL.
[01:52:17] You can find me directly on Twitter and Blue Sky as at David Bloomberg, on threads as at
[01:52:23] David Bloomberg TV.
[01:52:24] Now, a lot, and I mean a lot, of people have been leaving Twitter in the last week and jumping
[01:52:31] to the other two platforms.
[01:52:33] So, if you are one of them, make sure to find me there.
[01:52:37] And there have been people finding me on both threads and Blue Sky.
[01:52:41] My numbers have jumped on both of those.
[01:52:44] They're still not at Twitter numbers, but, you know, it's happening.
[01:52:48] People are moving.
[01:52:49] Yes, exactly.
[01:52:52] I am also on the video platforms, YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram as at David Bloomberg TV,
[01:52:57] where I post two or three or sometimes more videos per day.
[01:53:01] Uh, I'm now over 41,000 subscribers on YouTube.
[01:53:05] So, you know, everybody should join the fun there.
[01:53:08] Um, I'm currently posting clips, of course, from Survivor, uh, plus shows like the Traders
[01:53:13] Canada, the Summit, and House of Villains, which also reminds me, I am co-hosting, uh,
[01:53:19] the Trader podcast for the Traders Canada season two.
[01:53:24] That's fun.
[01:53:25] He does it all.
[01:53:26] Yes.
[01:53:26] He really does.
[01:53:27] Truly.
[01:53:30] So, where can people find you, Omar?
[01:53:32] Um, I don't want to be found.
[01:53:34] No, I'm kidding.
[01:53:34] Um, my address is, I'm just kidding as well.
[01:53:39] Um, Instagram, ozheer24, Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it.
[01:53:46] Omar, is it your DVM?
[01:53:48] I don't have anything else.
[01:53:50] I mean, I have a TikTok, but I don't even understand it.
[01:53:52] So, I don't log in very often.
[01:53:56] Um, maybe I'll get Blue Sky.
[01:53:58] I don't know.
[01:53:58] I just, it's too much.
[01:54:00] It's too much.
[01:54:00] It is.
[01:54:01] And that's the problem is there a lot with Blue Sky and Threads is there's currently no
[01:54:05] agreed upon location for all the reality TV people to go.
[01:54:10] Like many of the scientists went to Blue Sky.
[01:54:14] Uh, many of the people.
[01:54:15] Threads sucks though.
[01:54:17] Threads is not great.
[01:54:18] I mean, neither of them is perfect.
[01:54:20] Both of them have their issues.
[01:54:22] Um, so.
[01:54:24] Sounds familiar.
[01:54:25] Yeah, but.
[01:54:27] Um, but Threads has more people because it's directly linked to Instagram.
[01:54:31] So, people who had Instagram accounts can easily just turn it into a Threads account.
[01:54:36] And you can find out who got bots that way.
[01:54:39] Ah, yes.
[01:54:41] So.
[01:54:42] Oh, that's interesting.
[01:54:43] Yeah.
[01:54:45] Some social media influencers, uh, kind of got caught with their pants down there.
[01:54:51] Uh-oh.
[01:54:52] That's not something you want.
[01:54:53] Really?
[01:54:54] Oh, this.
[01:54:55] This is more tea.
[01:54:56] Okay.
[01:54:57] We'll have to find that out.
[01:54:58] After we're getting.
[01:54:59] A very close home, you know.
[01:55:01] Yeah.
[01:55:01] Okay.
[01:55:03] I don't have enough.
[01:55:04] Uh, so.
[01:55:07] We can move into predictions.
[01:55:09] Um, now.
[01:55:11] The preview tells us Sam wants to cause chaos.
[01:55:14] And it looks like chaos is ensuing whether he's causing it or not.
[01:55:18] Genevieve wants Saul.
[01:55:20] Uh, says Saul wants Gabe out.
[01:55:23] Sue wants to blindside Saul.
[01:55:25] Saul wants to target Sue.
[01:55:27] Teenie wants to know why not Kyle?
[01:55:29] Which suggests to me that Kyle doesn't win immunity.
[01:55:33] So remember how just a few minutes ago I talked about, hey, good job, everyone sticking together
[01:55:39] and coming to a consensus.
[01:55:41] I think that's getting blown to hell next week.
[01:55:43] Yeah.
[01:55:44] Um, which does make it more difficult to predict.
[01:55:47] Um, but I am going to say that Teenie's why not Kyle comment is a misdirect because the
[01:55:56] suggestion is why not Kyle?
[01:55:59] Oh, okay.
[01:56:00] So we're not going to see Kyle.
[01:56:01] I think one reason people won't stick together is because some of them want to vote out Kyle
[01:56:07] for being too much of a threat and other people won't want to, but I do think in the end
[01:56:14] it could end up being kind of a little bit of a boring vote.
[01:56:17] It's like, oh, immunity threat didn't win immunity.
[01:56:20] Let's vote him out.
[01:56:21] So I'm going to steal Jessica's pick from last week and say, Kyle will go.
[01:56:26] It's plagiarism.
[01:56:27] It is, but it's okay.
[01:56:29] Cause I'm sticking with Kyle for this week.
[01:56:31] Oh, okay.
[01:56:33] This doesn't make any sense.
[01:56:35] It doesn't make any sense.
[01:56:36] I was going to predict that Jessica is wrong, but now she can't be wrong and you can't both
[01:56:42] be wrong.
[01:56:43] I'm sorry to throw you off.
[01:56:44] Well, because the only, the only reason why I'm still leaning towards Kyle is if, if there
[01:56:49] becomes an opportunity to vote him out because he doesn't want immunity, it is like the easy,
[01:56:54] like kind of decision where everybody can come to a consensus and go, well, he didn't want
[01:56:59] immunity.
[01:56:59] He's been winning immunity.
[01:57:00] Right.
[01:57:01] And we saw him actually mentioned that himself in this past episode, that this could, this
[01:57:06] could damn him the next time.
[01:57:07] And so I feel like it's one of those, it's almost like a safe vote for everyone really,
[01:57:12] because they can just kind of come together and go, well, but Kyle didn't win immunity.
[01:57:15] So we don't have to really talk about this.
[01:57:18] It's an easy vote.
[01:57:19] Yeah.
[01:57:19] So this is why I'm thinking it's going to be Kyle.
[01:57:22] Okay.
[01:57:24] I think Susan is going to play her idol on Gabe and Kyle will go home as a result.
[01:57:31] Really?
[01:57:32] Wow.
[01:57:34] Wow.
[01:57:35] I'm going to be bold.
[01:57:36] Yeah.
[01:57:38] Look at you coming out of there with this crazy idea.
[01:57:40] I was thinking something might happen where Rachel might play her idol.
[01:57:44] Like they might switch to Rachel.
[01:57:45] That's a good one.
[01:57:47] But no matter what, in the end, Kyle is going.
[01:57:50] She's winning now.
[01:57:51] Remember?
[01:57:52] So she's saving that.
[01:57:53] Well, I mean, she could win by playing it, you know, potentially.
[01:57:56] I know, but not yet.
[01:57:57] There's still too many people left.
[01:57:58] Yeah.
[01:57:59] Yeah.
[01:57:59] I'm going to make sure that I let that dog out on Twitter.
[01:58:02] You know, I'm going to get Rachel to be my little attack dog, you know?
[01:58:08] Who should I go for next?
[01:58:10] Maybe I was behind it all.
[01:58:15] The kissy lips were very nice.
[01:58:18] Yes.
[01:58:18] So funny.
[01:58:19] She's so funny.
[01:58:20] They were directed at you, even though she didn't know that.
[01:58:23] I know, but listen, I can respect her.
[01:58:26] Yeah.
[01:58:27] I thought it was great.
[01:58:27] I was like, whoo!
[01:58:28] It was so funny.
[01:58:29] Coming for David.
[01:58:31] Mm-hmm.
[01:58:32] That was good.
[01:58:33] That was good.
[01:58:34] And I was defending you.
[01:58:35] That video was defending you.
[01:58:37] I mean, it was all a joke, you know?
[01:58:38] Listen, I appreciate it.
[01:58:40] And my decision was terrible.
[01:58:43] I'm not, you know, I'm not down for you.
[01:58:45] Well, you know, it was actually Will's fault.
[01:58:47] Well, yes, it was.
[01:58:49] It was.
[01:58:49] It was definitely Will's fault.
[01:58:51] You know what?
[01:58:52] And this is the other thing, too.
[01:58:53] Not that I want to put down this past.
[01:58:54] And he became a lawyer.
[01:58:55] So again, blame the lawyers.
[01:58:57] Damn lawyers.
[01:58:58] Yeah.
[01:58:59] We had yet to see a season where anybody got out of their seats in tribal council, right?
[01:59:07] Oh, yeah.
[01:59:08] Because the way that it was presented to us before we went to every tribal council was like,
[01:59:12] this is your seat.
[01:59:14] This is where you're sitting.
[01:59:15] And they had the little drawing.
[01:59:16] And it was very important that you knew where you were sitting.
[01:59:19] And I remember sitting there going, Will was all the way down at the other end.
[01:59:25] And I was like, everybody I needed to like actually talk to was over there.
[01:59:28] The only person next to me was Jay.
[01:59:31] And Jay was like, Jessica, just flip.
[01:59:32] Just flip.
[01:59:33] It's fine.
[01:59:33] Just flip.
[01:59:34] And I was like, shut up.
[01:59:36] That was what I was hearing was this guy over here.
[01:59:40] And so it's so frustrating now to think back, be like, she just stood up and went.
[01:59:46] But but in my head, it was like, I'm not allowed to move from my spot.
[01:59:50] Yeah, I forgot you were on so long ago that there were no live tribals.
[01:59:55] Okay.
[01:59:58] Oh, God, I'm going to be dead by tomorrow.
[02:00:03] Listen, I can take it.
[02:00:04] Don't you worry about it.
[02:00:06] That's been a long time.
[02:00:08] 2016.
[02:00:09] Too long.
[02:00:09] That's like, oh, my God, it's so long ago.
[02:00:12] She'll be back.
[02:00:13] But a lot of things have changed since then.
[02:00:15] I mean, a lot of things have changed.
[02:00:16] And well, I think that's one reason that I mean, other than the fact that you're, you know, going out by a rock was so emotionally scarring to everyone.
[02:00:26] But I think that's one reason that we haven't seen it again is because people now will get up and talk and work it out.
[02:00:32] So they don't have that situation.
[02:00:34] Must have been tough for you to see rocks, Roy.
[02:00:37] Yeah.
[02:00:41] Yeah.
[02:00:41] Rocks are always, you know, any any mention.
[02:00:43] And there's been so many mentions of rocks, I think, in so many episodes.
[02:00:47] Everyone now talks about it.
[02:00:48] It's like an option.
[02:00:49] I'm like, this is not an option.
[02:00:50] Everyone needs to stop.
[02:00:51] That is not an option.
[02:00:52] Rocks are not an option.
[02:00:53] Put that out of your mind.
[02:00:55] I'd do it.
[02:00:59] All right.
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[02:02:39] Of course.
[02:02:39] But of course.
[02:02:41] This has been truly fun.
[02:02:43] It really has been a great time.
[02:02:45] And I think, you know, that at some point we should probably get together and enjoy some of those delicious foods that we'd just, you know, talked so much about at the beginning and including those spicy chicken wings.
[02:03:01] Remember, just order for each other.
[02:03:03] That's all you have to do.
[02:03:04] Yeah.
[02:03:05] You know, that's true.
[02:03:07] So, yes.
[02:03:08] Thank you, Omer.
[02:03:08] It was a lot of fun.
[02:03:10] You know, people may be like, hey, how come it took so long to get Omer on?
[02:03:13] We had tried.
[02:03:14] We just kept having conflicting calendars and the like.
[02:03:17] Yeah.
[02:03:18] So it took a little while, but it was worth it.
[02:03:21] Better late than never.
[02:03:22] That's right.
[02:03:22] And it was worth it.
[02:03:23] It was worth it.
[02:03:24] So.
[02:03:25] That was fantastic.
[02:03:26] Thank you so much for joining us.
[02:03:27] Yes.
[02:03:28] Of course.
[02:03:28] Thank you.
[02:03:29] And of course, thank you, Jessica, for another great week.
[02:03:32] Like I mentioned earlier, Dr. Jeremy Faust will be joining us next week and we will see everybody then.
[02:03:39] Bye.
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