Why ___ Lost: Survivor 47 Ep 6

___ acknowledged in his final words that he ruffled some feathers. David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis agree with him on that, but was it enough to explain how he so quickly became the obvious first boot of the merge, or was there more to it? Could he have avoided it if he’d just taken his own advice? At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why ___ Lost.

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down David and Jessica will turn it around

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how You played yourself and got voted out

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_02]: This is why blank lost And this is why blank lost

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Baby this is why blank lost

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back to Why Blank Lost I'm David Bloomberg and joining me as always

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Is someone who has been saying advantages are disadvantages for a long time now

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: My co-host Jessica Lewis

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I listen I was so happy to hear him admit it finally on the show no less

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Not just in like the podcast

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Did he admit it or he asked like he was he was like

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh wait are you saying that advantage like he's putting on this innocent face like

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'll take that as a note. Okay, sure Jeff

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I understand but he has acknowledged it he vocalized it and he even inquired further about it

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Which to me

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: That's like the first step right?

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Is you have to admit that there's a problem

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_06]: He already knew

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's finally made it public

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_06]: You know

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_06]: He's finally made it public

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He knew that this has been a disadvantage for a long time and he likes to see people

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, find find out how to get around the disadvantage

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I and I will say that I appreciated the fact that there was even like a collective like

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, yeah, so this thing that you had him do on the journey

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not it's not good and and Rome at least did have an opportunity to explain to Jeff why it was bad

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_06]: So I do I do very much appreciate that it is

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Now included as part of the story of survivor itself

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_06]: It's not just something that we're podcasting about and people are tweeting about now

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_06]: It's the actual players saying hey, Jeff

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_06]: This is not good and this is why so I I can appreciate that we've crossed into that

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And Jeff just went

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_06]: He learned a little bit because now we kind of have a merge thing, right?

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean ish

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's it's a merge except that the person who doesn't make it

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: doesn't get a buff and is still undateable technically

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, Rome

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Doesn't get to be on the jury. That's that's it. That's the end of it

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I will just continue. I think for most of this episode. I will just call it the merge

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I agree and i'm glad to get rid of the term mergatory because despite my valiant attempts and even tiffany

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Who coined the term agreeing with me?

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_04]: There are far too many people who still misspell it as mergatory

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't have the e in there after merge

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So it just it makes me grind my teeth every time I see it

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And I know it's a made-up word but it's made up

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not in my mind with an e there and you know

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Right spell it the way that david bloomberg has told you to spell it

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, thank you

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Because yes, yes

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So now

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Aren't you glad that this was the way I led off instead of being like ha ha you lost your winner pick

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I knew we were going to get there eventually

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_06]: So I was preparing myself for it and I I knew that this day would unfortunately come

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_06]: However, I was really hoping that what I had

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Mentioned a few episodes back maybe a couple that perhaps

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Rome was frustrating people so much that they were willing to keep him around because no one would vote for him in the end

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So he'd be in the final three that's what I was really kind of hoping for

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Because we've seen that happening I think that was my

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I had there was like themes or something but regardless

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_06]: That didn't happen they were done with Rome and yes

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, i'm sure it was fun for you to root for him while it lasted and just as

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: As you said about my winner pick this is nothing against him

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you know, this is solely against you

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And I will say I am a curse to anyone who I choose as my winner pick because you never win i'm so very sorry

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_06]: So the bag the bag failed me the rocks failed me as I should become accustomed to at this

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Juncture in my life that

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Draws don't work out well for me

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_06]: So

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So my own

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently you cursed him retroactively by drawing his name

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I know this is what i'm saying. It's all terrible. Yes, butterfly effect. Yes, but yes, I did lose my winner pick

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Now an interesting thing to me is that last week we talked about uh,

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Annika's very real reaction

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we had another one this week though in a different way, you know, Rome didn't have his whole world ripped out from under him

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: The way annika did and he had a very fun last few minutes in the game

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So his reaction was real and that it showed how he felt about being able to play

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, but I do question so much of what he said in his exit press

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't question that it was his perception

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that a good way to say it?

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Um

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I just think very interesting yeah, I just think there are some things he is mistaken about that we will get to and the way we will get to

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Is the same way we always do following right?

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, our path of comparing

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome's game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on tv interviews social media and secret scenes

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course the newest version of the rules can be found at rob his website.com slash yx lost feed and clicking on the link bubble or survivor rules

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But before we address how Rome did in terms of rules

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: We always have some other things to discuss about the episode now normally

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh this season this is where we would talk about Rome

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, because he we always had something to talk about with him and you know, this is no exception

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, because while the bulk of the podcast will be about him

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: There is still something related to him that I want to mention that isn't anything to do with the rules and that is jeff letting him take his spot at tribal council

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I thought you were just gonna say it was the Rome episode because it really was it was it was survivor Rome

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, um, you know some viewers and former players were very upset at this

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, um, while others thought it was fun

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I fall into the fun group, you know, I saw nothing wrong with this

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's you know, jeff isn't

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh the pope he's not you know, taking his spot on the pulpit or anything

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know jeff only did it because he knew rome was headed out the door

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, well and that's the thing I was wondering about too if that was why there was like this

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_06]: It was it was almost like the last nail in the coffin, right? Because it was very clear throughout the whole episode

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_06]: That production and the editors are having a little bit of fun with rome

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_06]: At his expense and so i'm curious if that was just like the final

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_06]: We know that this is happening like he has said all of these things in his confessionals and about how he was going to be

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Was it licking the bones of saul or something?

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean it was just

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, very

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Very aggressive like I am the mastermind

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I have convinced 13 people to vote my way

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I am the best player this game ever and jeff is just like

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah over in the corner and like yes rome, please come and sit here and tell me why i'm wrong and then

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I will

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Snuff your torch. Yes. Yeah, and you know, even if rome had picked up on it that this was why it was happening

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_04]: The only thing he could have done at that point was play a shot in the dark. I mean

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, nothing was changing. He wasn't going to

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Turn the entire merge tribe against him at that point or for now

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_04]: He really wasn't

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I just thought it was so funny how there were so many conversations

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Where they would show him talking to someone and then he would walk away and then someone would go

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so the real plan, you know, it's right

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, just like it was so funny that everyone was like placating him so much like oh, yes

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's that's it's gonna be salt. Okay. All right, and everyone's on board. All right, great

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he like yeah, on to the next one. Oh, that's so terrible the way the way saul treated you. Oh, yeah, we don't want someone like that

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_06]: So awful and oh, yeah, yeah

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_06]: It was it was

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Such an incredible episode, but I also have to say as someone who

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Is a former player i'm a little bit jealous that we don't all get our own exit

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Episode right? I mean this whole episode was centered around rome. I mean

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_06]: and I

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You kind of got an exit episode when you were saved like you got

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The episode of

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: The people saying okay, it's gonna be jessica, you know, it's gonna be jessica

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It's gonna be jessica and you going and questioning them and them saying oh, no, no, it's not you

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's definitely not you and then you being like, oh, okay

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, and then being saved so you got like an exit episode when you weren't exit

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_06]: All right, well, I guess I guess i'll take that then and then my exit was a very dramatic exit. So yeah

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess i'll take that so dramatic that it is emblazoned on our poster as

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You know rule number seven. So it is with the very sad fire. Yes

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So all right

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I let's move on to a few other things that happened this episode

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to stay with tribal council for the moment

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, actually you already talked about the amulet holder so we can move on from that

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I was just going to agree with what you said so going back to earlier in the episode

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I need to ask sam sam if you're listening dude

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_04]: How do you just ignore the strange buoy sitting there when you're looking for a challenge advantage?

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Right

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And I will say someone on twitter asked

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Survivor players have you ever just seen a random buoy?

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_06]: No, there was never a random buoy there if there was an air and ever anything that was random you checked it

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Immediately because you're like and even if it wasn't random if it was something that like was provided to us

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a basket full of food

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_06]: You check the whole thing you ripped it apart if you had to like if you see a buoy just floating there

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_06]: You look for sure

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean if asia or tk had seen it they would have known from their initial journey, but

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, after their initial journey they you know, uh, so so right

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, now another question that I have for sam and I you know, I I fully don't expect him to answer these uh, but

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: You know unless he suddenly comes on to our recording here, you know, just no

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: is

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Why he was so ready to quickly put up andy as the backup target?

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Because that surprised me as did sierra not picking andy to be on their merge team

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: When it was down to andy and sue at the end which we saw on a secret scene

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And which I posted also as a youtube short and tiktok I just

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Cut out all the fluff and compressed it down so you could just see pick pick pick and see who goes to the order

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know sam had spent so much time bringing andy in and cultivating trust

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand why he's so willing to toss that aside

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I do think that's an interesting point because it there was a pause when andy's name was suggested

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And i'm curious if this is one of those circumstances where you're trying to hide the fact that you're close

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And so he and sierra opted with oh, yeah, no andy would be fine and and maybe they will pull andy aside and say

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Listen, we knew that you weren't going to be going home like we knew that that wasn't going to happen

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course andy's going to be frustrated because

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_06]: If the shot in the dark had been played and been successful

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Then andy's going to be going home

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think that they could do damage control if it's expressed to him that way that like

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't want anyone to know how close we actually are so we can hide this threesome

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. I don't know if that's going to be the goal if that's what they'll try to do

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But I imagine that that was part of the reason for them being willing to offer him up. Yeah, yeah

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we'll have to see how it progresses from here

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Now finally

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: He's from me. We will have a lot to say about rome taking the information he got from kyle and spreading it around

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But I want to add that when kyle said i'm one of the big biggest dumbasses here

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I I kind of was nodding along in agreement because he was not far off the mark

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And I know some people are right now yelling at me, you know

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: At this podcast because almost everyone likes kyle and okay. I do too, but come on

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He never should have told rome all those things anyway

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, especially the way we saw rome questioning him

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Kyle should have realized he was being grilled for information

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Why do you spill all the beans like that?

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, but that's been happening this entire season

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Everyone has diarrhea of the mouth every time they come to meet somebody new

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_06]: They're like, oh my god, let me tell you everything and then they're shocked

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_06]: When they get thrown under the bus or someone else finds out

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I i'm

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Fascinated by this entire cast and their their desire to share everything immediately

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't understand it at all. I don't understand. I especially don't understand when you're being questioned like that

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, you know

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_06]: The only one that we saw kind of push back was saul when he was being kind of

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Bombarded with with questions, but certainly didn't help

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Ingratiate him, you know into the group or anything, but right

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is a very strange

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Thing phenomenon that we are seeing with so many of the survivors just wanting to tell everybody everything

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Well, do you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss?

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh before we move on here?

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, my girl sue

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Come on. There's an entire ocean surrounding you

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Why are you using the water well every time you need to wash this goddamn idol of yours like stop it?

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't understand why she felt the need to she's like, oh, they're gonna come over here and and search my bag

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. I what that doesn't happen. I just want everyone to know like if i'm gonna if anyone

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Search in your bag, it's when you're like being sneaky and well

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she should have left the red paint because then she would have been able to catch someone if they searched her back

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_06]: All right, there's so many reasons just leave it alone

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_06]: But like why why are you continuing to use the water well?

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I just don't there's an entire ocean whole ocean lots of options lots of places you go instead

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_06]: You're sitting there like pouring your your drinking water over this and you're getting paint everywhere

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And then her reaction to it was just hilarious because it was so

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I got busted and I have to be like feigned shock, but i'm not very good at it

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_06]: She's clearly not a good liar, but I was just stunned. I'm like sue. What what are we doing?

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_06]: So that was that was something that I just she's she's only 45

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe 45 year olds right maybe when she gets older and more mature. She will understand these things. She'll learn

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, goodness

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Although it was funny when when saul told her you look good. We look good for our ages, you know thinking she was 45

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I you go sue

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And all I could I know it's people will probably not get this but every time I hear her say i'm 45

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I just think of the first season of

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Love is blind when there was uh

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_06]: A contestant who I believe her name was jessica and she said i'm 34 like all the time

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like it became like a big joke. So that's the only thing that goes through my mind every time i'm 45

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_06]: But anyway, so that was so that was my bit about sue

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Also shout out to the commenter on the youtube version of the podcast who

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Said that they hadn't seen your season yet

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And therefore

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Presumed that you were one of the millennials on millennial. Thank you so much for that

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_06]: That definitely makes me feel good. So I appreciate that those comments. Thanks

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, speaking of youtube there will be of course other things that I will be posting on

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: My youtube uh at david bloomberg tv

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so check those out

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, but before we get to how rome did we

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Want to mention that the rules we're about to discuss come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So go to rob has website.com slash yx loss feed scroll down to the poster

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Click on it order it and it will be rushed to your house

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: That's right. It will be

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you can keep on scrolling

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And click and order a poster on a t-shirt

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And the checklist on a t-shirt

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so you can just

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you you can get everything by early for the holidays, you know, don't don't wait for

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_04]: The rush the holiday rush get it now and get it for yourself. Just you know everything

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_06]: You can wear it you can hang it up. It's it's great. It's good

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You can wear the poster too if you want. It's just more difficult. I mean it is

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But you could try you could certainly try try you could wear we've talked about this like those uh

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Those uh boards, you know like menu boards or there's a word for it that suddenly escaped my brain because you know i'm 45

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my goodness. Yes, maybe I should sell some with red paint all over them. Oh

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Special version special version yes yes the red paint version

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh goodness

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[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, well Rome said in his final words that he ruffled some feathers

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And that went all the way back to the beginning as even his supposed ally teeny said at one point that Rome would have been an easy first boot if he didn't have an idol

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Instead he was the first boot of the merge as everybody at the merge feast immediately settled on him as the target and then the people at the beach did as well

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it for similar reasons? Could he have avoided it if he had just taken some of his own advice?

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_04]: At RHAP we know survivor and we know why Rome lost

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Now the first and most important rule is to scheme and plot and Rome seemed to understand this

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Though he handled it in different ways in his original tribe and then at the merge

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: His intent on his original tribe was to lock in with a core group and be loyal to them

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is something i've been mentioning for a few weeks now while other people have talked about him

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Bringing chaos because they've confused some of his behavior with his strategy

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But interesting yeah, but rome talked to gordon holmes about it as well

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, it goes along with what we saw

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He intended to be loyal

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: But there was a problem in that while he was loyal to them

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: They were not as loyal to him

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, we saw that when quichon tried to get rome voted out a couple weeks ago

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it mostly stems from rome believing that he genevieve teeny and quichon had a solid four before asia

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Even got back from her attempt to get supplies

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure the others told him that

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And there was a lot of discussion of it

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Including even naming the alliance as he discussed in the interviews

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But that doesn't mean quichon and teeny were on board to the extent he thinks

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: This goes to what I was talking about where you were saying in his interviews, you know, he said some things that

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe didn't make a lot of sense

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I think to him they did make sense

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: He believed that he was in this four-person alliance

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why he couldn't understand for example why quichon would go against him

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's why he couldn't understand why teeny didn't alert him

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_04]: If they were all four equals, why would teeny go with quichon instead of him?

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Allow me to quote myself which you love from why quichon lost

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Where I talked about quichon and teeny being quote in the middle of the two other duos

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: With him saying they had really great relationships with both

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_04]: What we didn't know until his interviews was that he also

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Had what he believed was a very solid alliance with genevieve as well

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Such that he didn't consider himself and teeny a duo

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But rather the two of them and genevieve a trio

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And he further said that the plan to get rid of rome as soon as he used the idol had been floated previously and genevieve

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Appeared to be on board with it now

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's note those last two things quichon and teeny were tight with genevieve

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But he didn't include rome in that

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And and of course they planned to turn on rome

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So for rome, it was a situation where you don't know what you don't know

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, right and I think that this is also an incredible example of everyone is playing their own game

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and so the decisions that teeny

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Is making the decisions that quichon is making genevieve is making

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_06]: They are making the best decisions for themselves and I think we

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Can definitely their own beliefs. Yes, right to their own beliefs, right?

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_06]: They I mean quichon thought that he was doing what was best for him and his game

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But unfortunately, it wasn't the best thing for genevieve's game

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And so genevieve had to come in and say oh, no, no, no, no, no, this is not what we're doing

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that we saw that with genevieve on this episode as well because all of a sudden she was like

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, with turning on rome because she

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Has utilized rome for what she needed until she got here now. She's willing to cut ties

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_06]: And so I I think that rome just he forgot about the idea that

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Just because you say that you're in a solid four doesn't mean everyone feels like this is a solid four

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_06]: They might have other plans. They might have other people that they want to work with which clearly is what happened here

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_06]: and so

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that that's really to his detriment to

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Wanting to be so loyal and believing that everyone else would be as loyal as he was

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, and you know, there were a couple other instances of rome being outmaneuvered or out strategized

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: We saw the merge discussions

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You referenced them earlier where he thought he had convinced everyone to go along with him when they were actually humoring him

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: To keep him thinking they were on board

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We saw him going around to various people and all of them reassuring him while he said things like

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I well

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You you already quoted some of these. I think I might be a little bit of a mastermind right now

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: The fact there's 13 people in the game and I can corral this many people to vote my way

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_04]: That must say a lot about how i'm playing the game

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And it did say something a lot about how he was playing the game

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But that something was that they fooled him

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right and they did a great job bullying him so much so that he really truly believed he was a mastermind and didn't use a shot in the dark

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_04]: With that we can move to the second rule

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I think might be a little bit longer

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it it says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, just maybe a little tiny problem here for rome

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Just a little tiny one. Yeah, and now to his credit

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He knows it you know, he told rob the biggest thing I should have done was be quiet when you hit the merge

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And he is absolutely right

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He even said it in a confessional that aired as

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Part of an entertainment weekly secret scene regarding

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: What he did when they all arrived on the beach together and gabe read the sign about the heading advantage

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome said i've seen enough survivor to know that once this merge limbo hits

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It's best to lay low and chill in the grass and just wait for your opportunity to strike

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then he further said that looking for the advantage would put a target on his back and make it look like he's playing really hard

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Quote, I don't want people to feel like i'm playing hard

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I want people to feel like i'm the go with the flow happy go lucky guy that just has a really loud voice

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And all of those were really great thoughts really great thoughts

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: The problem was he didn't listen to himself. Um, yeah, you know, he did that for the advantage hunt

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But he didn't carry it through to other parts of the game because as he further told rob

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard for him to sit still and not do anything quote. That was my biggest flaw at the merge

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Just not being quiet and letting things happen

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And he even talked about it in the pregame because remember he said he planned to follow sandra's anybody, but me strategy

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and I think he also referenced in his exit press how

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_06]: No one was really doing much once they got to the merge like it really didn't seem to be like a whole lot happening

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And and I feel like if you have that type of personality where

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_06]: You like well something needs to happen because no one's doing anything

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And so it's more of that that need to to be I want to lead I want to be in charge

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And even though it appears that nothing's happening

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that's the better way to go because then you don't shine the light on yourself and unfortunately

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_06]: He gave everyone a reason to say his name because he started running around saying someone else's name and everyone went oh, okay

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_06]: So this is what we're doing. Yeah, what he didn't

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Properly analyze i'd say is why were people just sitting around and not doing anything?

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well it's because nobody should be throwing out names until you know who's vulnerable

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: or else you're setting yourself up for a potential problem because

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: As far as he knew

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Half of them were going to be immune because that's the way

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Mergatory had been done up until this point

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So it was quite a risk

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: To pick a target at that time and yes, I know rob mentioned this and know it all's but it was already in my notes before rob mentioned it

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So it just great minds that's all but

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So yes, that's why people weren't saying anything

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But he was out there talking to kyle spreading information everywhere

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was just too soon. He had just met a lot of these people

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: He needed to get the lay of the land rather than diving right in and deciding who he wanted to work with and trust

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he was playing like what is that speed dating? That's really what he was doing

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Just trying to try it all right away real quick. Yes. Yes

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And unfortunately, he got dumped

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, well

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I did say earlier he was undateable now. So

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: See this is this is

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't make

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I was gonna say I don't make the rules. I make these rules. I don't make those

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They were made by someone else

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Um

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Now after rome talked to kyle it seemed based on the edit

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he passed along a mix of true and maybe stretch truth versions of what kyle said

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Though rome said in his interviews that it was all true and there was even more to it than we saw

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But here's the thing i'm not going to get into what was true. What wasn't true?

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, did did kyle say more did you know is something more going to cut out?

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't matter

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It does not matter because

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: How many times do we need to emphasize this is a game of perception?

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and the perception

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that kyle comes off as being very genuine

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: While rome

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Does not

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_06]: No, he does not

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and also that's something that I feel like rome also forgot about right because he came into this

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Merge saying all of the things that you've already said about how

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_06]: The best thing to do is to not say anything

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Lay in the grass

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Hide

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Whatever

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: All of those things are great

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Ideas except when you come into the merge being rome

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_06]: The people that have come into the merge with you

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Know who rome is and so

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_06]: If they start talking to anyone they're going to say

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Rome is not normally like this

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Like this is not the rome that we

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Have interacted with and they're going to

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Make note of it and I don't know what if any effect that would necessarily have on their game versus rome's game

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think that they have seen enough of rome in challenges

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_06]: That any

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Stories that were being relayed to them about rome would probably have some

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Truth to them just from what they observed when they were together

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And i'm and i'm certain that when he was walking around ponderosa pregame people were picking up on his the confidence level that he had and and

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_06]: How he would likely come across and so

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I would i would imagine that that's also a problem for rome is that you can't you can if you have already expressed that part of yourself

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Then to come in and expect people to buy it if you're different

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it would work for rome

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I i don't know either

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But he should have tried

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, i'm not saying he shouldn't have tried

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just saying that that's another issue

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Because maybe

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think genevieve would have pointed him out

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even think teeny would have pointed him out at that time

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul might have but if it was just saul doing it

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And nobody else then people might have just blown it off or found another target, you know, we don't know who else might have blown up

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean what it came down to was whatever kyle may or may not have actually said

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: People were going to trust him more than rome

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Especially people in kyle's own tribe who have worked with him like tiana said that what

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Kyle said makes no sense we're working closely together

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean even sue seemed more likely to believe kyle than rome and she had wanted kyle gone at one point

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah, yeah

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So it also did hurt rome's case

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that in addition to that

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_04]: saul

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: leapt onto this

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and was used it to spread around that he was

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: you know rome was a pot stirrer and could be lying because

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Right

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_04]: That was saul's own experience with him as recently as

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: last episode when he dumped a lot of information on saul

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and then

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: saul talked to genevieve

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: who told him no a bunch of that was untrue even though

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: you know this was another situation where actually

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: rome had told him was true genevieve just didn't like the fact that

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_04]: saul or that

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_04]: right rome had told him

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_06]: this is why you have to stop telling everybody your secrets

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Right

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Stop it

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So rome

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_04]: simply was not seen as being trustworthy in these matters

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: again

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: whether he was or wasn't doesn't matter

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: you know like I said he told saul the truth about genevieve

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: but saul believed genevieve

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_04]: he told at least some of the truth about what kyle said

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: people believed him

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know as kyle said at the merge feast

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: dude's a rat man you can't trust that bleep for nothing

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and people believed him

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_06]: well and that's why this is I find it so interesting when

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_06]: there is this bit of telephone that is going on

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_06]: because everyone is going to put together their own versions of things

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_06]: and so

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_06]: the fact that rome has this contentious relationship with saul

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_06]: and then he he hands saul a gift by

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_06]: doing exactly what saul has said he's been doing and saul

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_06]: saul has no love for rome he's not going to come to

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_06]: his defense he's going to use this as an opportunity to go

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_06]: oh no no no no that is exactly what rome does

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and let me share with you the experience that i've had with him

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_06]: so rome underestimated saul's ability to do exactly what rome was doing

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_06]: but do it better because he was flipping the script on rome and making rome seem like he's

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_06]: untrustworthy because this is the relationship that he had with rome and so

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_06]: it's a very interesting dynamic to see happen because rome was doing exactly what saul was doing but rome

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_06]: started it and so saul was like reacting to it right and so

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_06]: it's it's it feels different when it's a reaction as opposed to the person that's initiating it

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: yes yes and i mean i don't know if rome realized how mad saul still wasn't him because remember

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: i don't think he knew at all because yeah he dumped a lot of information on

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and saul reacted to it at least to rome's face positively

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm and he didn't know rome didn't know that saul then fact checked him with genevieve

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah and i think this goes back to rome wanting people to be loyal as he is and that's a that's a

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_06]: big concern for rome playing a game like this you can't assume that everyone feels the same way you do

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_06]: and that everyone will respond the same way that you do and i think that's exactly what happened

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_06]: with saul he thought because he half-heartedly apologized and tried to make things better

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_06]: between saul and that saul responded positively okay i'm good with saul we're fine you know and but

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_06]: unfortunately saul was just playing rome because saul was like no i haven't forgotten about all the

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_06]: things that you did over here but i know this is a game for a million dollars so i'm going to pretend

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_06]: to be nice yes and then i'm going to fact check you and i just think that rome didn't expect other

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: people to be doing that when he talked to them yeah yeah now from rome's point of view as he explained

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_04]: it in interviews he figured if someone told him that another player wanted him out of the game

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: he would probably believe it and you know i want to say that like on big brother we see something like

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: that happen and it can work uh i mean the the season that just ended the winner chelsea

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: used that type of word twisting to manipulate people all season but she had built up trust to

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: get to that point rome has not rome just met some of these people right and you know meanwhile as i said

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: kyle did already have trust with some of those people and appears at least to be a more honest person than

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: rome to the others so when the information was fact checked kyle ends up looking like the good guy

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_04]: rome ends up looking like the evil villain spreading lies and again this is the case

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_04]: whether rome told everyone the absolute truth a version of the truth or all lies it doesn't matter

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_04]: it's all perception after most people knew him for less than 24 hours and some of his own tribe

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: mates spread their own opinions about him and that's the other part of this it's not just kyle going hey

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_06]: but this is what happened it's saul going hey this is what he does right and it's genevieve going hey

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah that's what things were and so it's again it's like mob think at that point right even if it is

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_06]: true or not true it doesn't matter because you have so many people that are coming forward going oh no

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_06]: no yeah this is that's that sounds like this and that sounds like that and so rome really would have

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: been better to just sit back and not say anything yeah at all yeah now since we've mentioned uh rome's

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: initial tribe mates a couple times we should go back to earlier in the game and see how he did with that

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_04]: because you know we've talked a little bit about that he intended to be a loyal player but even with

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: that there were some problems first because of the way he handled some of those on the outside of his

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: alliance most notably saul because saul was still there at the merge

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_04]: while some of this goes into rule five and we'll talk about then much of it was just the way he was

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_04]: treating saul in terms of being overbearing from a game perspective giving him the ultimatum slash

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: threat following him around etc but i know he said in interviews that the editing on that was wonky

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and he followed saul after trying to get him to give up his shot in the dark and i will say looking at the

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_04]: clothes in those scenes it does support what he said you know the clothes switch back and forth

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're like well why was he wearing those clothes those two wearing those you know um yeah

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_04]: but even so from saul's point of view that was clearly too much even teeny said at one point that

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: they knew rome was doing it to protect their alliance but still you know and then teeny gave that look to

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_06]: the camera um and so yeah yes and again we have to remind everyone that when you get into a situation

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_06]: like the merge everyone is looking for any reason to vote someone out as long as it is not them right

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and so if if rome is offering himself up in a way because he's starting conversations and other people are

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_06]: now starting conversations about him he's just making it that much easier for everyone to come

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_04]: to a consensus because oh well it's not me and that's great yes yes now you did mention uh the rome

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: apology uh to saul so they could proceed on the quichon vote and he said in an interview that it was more

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of a real apology than we saw um but it's clear they never truly buried the hatchet i suspect that's

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_04]: because after the mixed reward challenge that most of lava lost rome told saul everything and you know

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: we talked about this including that genevieve didn't want to work with him long term and then he told

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_04]: saul that they should target teeny but told genevieve that saul was the one who wanted to do that so

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_04]: after being all about loyalty genevieve's perception upon hearing those things was that he was turning on

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: her right after she saved him the previous night now do i think he was turning on her no i think he was

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_04]: just i think he wanted to still work with genevieve i think he would have still been loyal to genevieve

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: but i think he was trying to give information to saul to kind of pull make saul feel like he was being

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: honest with him yeah but as genevieve said the scales they be tipping and you know these were the

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_04]: tribe mates that rome headed into merge with right and i think if you're going to do something like

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_06]: that and again i realize everyone is playing their own game but if if rome's whole shtick is i'm

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_06]: incredibly loyal and if he wants to try to mend fences with saul and by doing so share information

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_06]: he maybe should have checked in with genevieve first and said hey listen we're gonna need saul

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_06]: come merge and i want to make him feel better what do you think about me having a conversation with

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_06]: him about some things and then maybe he wouldn't have found himself in a circumstance where genevieve

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_06]: was then frustrated and then saul wants to throw rome under the bus more so because of that that's just

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_06]: something that maybe would have been a better game move for rome to try to avoid the problems that

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_04]: came from that yeah yeah all right well we can go to the third rule which tells players to be flexible how do

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_06]: you think your winner pick did in terms of this rule i think he was very flexible because it was like

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_06]: if you uh go against me now i'm gonna just go against you so i i he certainly he wanted to be

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_06]: locked in with the four right he was they had their four cheese alliance or their four cheese pizza

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_06]: alliance so i think he wanted to be like yes this is it and then realized no they're not as interested in

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_06]: this as i am so i gotta cut ties with them so i think he was he was flexible in in that regard in

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_06]: a willingness to try something different but i also feel like he struggled with changing those parts of

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_06]: himself that he needed to change in order to play the game better for other people's perceptions and

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_06]: what would work better with other people as opposed to just rome it was very very rome centered and it was

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_06]: i want this to be what rome wants and it's rome's way or the highway and so in that regard not flexible

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_06]: but i think he tried to be in regards to who he would play the game with yeah i i would say his

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_04]: flexibility was i would describe it as iffy uh in my opinion um you know like you mentioned he

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_04]: locked he talked about being locked in during the pre-merge which almost led to him being blindsided

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_04]: if it hadn't been for genevieve saving him right and then he had a plan at the merge for who he

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_04]: wanted to work with and well we already discussed that a fair amount in the second rule uh right now of

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: course part of this rule is that you need to have your thumb on the pulse of what's going on in the

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: tribe at the merge rome was very very certain he knew and indeed believed that not only did he

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: have the pulse that he was the beating heart causing that pulse and even before then he was certain he

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: knew what was happening even as everyone on the you know on his original tribe planned to blindside him

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_04]: before genevieve stepped in to flip things so i really think this goes back to you know like i said

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: earlier uh about his interviews he believed he knew what was going on in all these situations

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and he really didn't people just fooled him yeah well was rome's way or no way yes yes all right well

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them i think rome could certainly

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_04]: react emotionally as we saw a few times especially in terms of how he treated people outside his alliance

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_04]: but i think we have our answer to a question i'd asked a few podcasts ago uh where i had said you

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_04]: know did he choose his alliance based on emotional connection or was the alliance picked first and then

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_04]: he decided he didn't need to worry about those people outside of it because we talked in the first

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: rule about how he believed his four-person alliance was set on day one i think where his emotions got involved

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_04]: was in not realizing he had to still deal with the other two people in case he needed them in the future

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you know just like he needed saul to have his back at the merge or at least not lead the charge in

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_06]: trying to get rid of him yes and i and i again i think this goes back to that loyalty component

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_06]: rome is assuming that everyone is going to be approaching this the game the same way that he is

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_06]: so in his mind he's thinking okay well i'm locked in with with these guys over here so that's good

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_06]: i don't need to worry about them i can go over here and i can i can deal with this but you got to go

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_06]: back and you got to check in you got to make sure that everything's still okay and that we're still

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_06]: on the same page because if you don't then genevieve and teeny are going to be looking at each other

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_06]: going what on earth is rome doing what is happening because they don't know because he's not telling them

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and then he's well i assumed we were good no you know what they say about when you assume

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah no you're i know um i i think that takes us into the fifth rule uh which reminds

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_04]: players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game because rome could be a very nice guy

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_04]: when he was on your side but as we were just talking about if if he has no use for you

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_04]: he from what we saw he didn't try too hard to hide his true feelings

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_04]: no he really didn't um it now it didn't matter for asia because she was voted out you know so

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you know it it didn't come back to bite him and it wouldn't have mattered for saul

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_04]: if keishan would have stuck to the alliance rome believed they had

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_04]: but that's the thing you can't predict the future on survivor you never know when you might need

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_04]: someone's help rome should have done more pretending to be nice to saul you know but we even saw going

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_04]: back to the beginning there was a secret scene of saul trying to be nice to rome and warning him that

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: other people were worried about him looking for an idol and rome got pissed off at him for saying it

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_04]: rather than at least pretending to be appreciative or

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_04]: i think he did pretend somewhat but saul often saw through rome when you know rome was trying to

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_04]: pretend there were several conversations where rome was like oh yeah it's like this and rome is just

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_06]: like you know massive eye roll city you know i mean i think rome heard that conversation and

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_06]: responded to it differently than saul wanted him to i think rome was just very suspicious like why is he

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_06]: even telling me this does he think i don't know what i'm doing and so he got his back up a little

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_06]: bit because instead of him thinking through the permutations like oh well maybe maybe saul's telling

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_06]: me this because he wants to work with me maybe saul really is looking out for me instead it was immediate

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_06]: like well he doesn't think i know what i'm doing and i that's not okay like he can't tell me how to play

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_06]: this game and so if you don't keep that part of you in check either you're going to misread a situation

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_06]: because that was really like saul like kind of offering up like an olive branch right like hey

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_06]: just you know you gotta keep it down a little bit again i think rome is very much like rome centered and

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_06]: it's and rome has a read on a situation and there's there's really not much give there if it's not to his

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_04]: benefit yeah yeah and the thing was you know in in the original tribe it wasn't just saul who you know

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_04]: was upset about these things and i know rome felt like he was in good with everyone

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but we saw almost all of his original tribe talking negative negatively about his overall attitude and

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_04]: ego and bragging and talking and everything such that it put him outside the main social circle right

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_04]: you know i know he and asia clearly did not get along at all but as she told mike bloom in her interview

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_04]: when rome was gone on his journey do you know how much we got done at camp we were moving we were

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: cooking we were being productive we built a swing we were having a great time laughs giggles vibes

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_04]: were great when this man was not at camp it's just like i understand he's excited we're playing survivor

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_04]: we're excited but he was just overconfident so overbearing now from rome's perspective he told mike bloom

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_04]: he knew asia and saul weren't happy with him quote but when it came to teeny and quishon they were

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_04]: very nice out there on the island they never made it seem like they were annoyed with me now the word seem

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_04]: is doing a lot of work in that quote yes because they were better at pretending to be nice

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_04]: teeny told us rome is a nuisance around camp and stresses us out genevieve said rome is such a big

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_04]: personality and does rub people the wrong way in the pregame rome told mike bloom his superpower would

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_04]: be a social game but while i i think he would be a really fun guy to hang out with as teeny said

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_04]: multiple times being with him 24 7 in this game situation was just too much yes and he did say that

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_06]: his achilles heel was overconfidence so i think that that's the other component of this that was

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_06]: affecting rome is just and it's great to be confident please be confident but you have to also

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_06]: recognize how you are interacting with the people around you and how they are perceiving you and

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_06]: reacting to how you are being so i i do think that it was certainly something that he needed to work on

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah just a bit all right well we can go to the sixth rule which warns against being too much of a

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_04]: threat rome told dalton ross he was shocked people wanted him out because he thought he was more of an

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_04]: asset to people than a hindrance and they would want to use him as a shield the thing is that in a way

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_04]: they did use him as a shield a shield against being the first person out at merge by painting him as a

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_04]: bigger target they just put him up there i don't still have my shield that i used to have over here you

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_04]: know they just put up the shield and they held him up and he got all those arrows that they were

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: shooting you know uh so yes they they did use you as a shield and i thought it was interesting because

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_06]: in his pre-game press he said he was the one of the biggest threats to win this game and then when he

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_06]: was talking about looking at the people who were in the merge he put himself up there with sam and tiana

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_06]: as the biggest threats for challenges and that we were going to be a force to be reckoned with and

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_06]: i was right exactly no puzzle um so he so the four of them were we're going to take all of the immunity

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_06]: challenges which i thought was fascinating because he's also openly admitted he sucked at puzzles which

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_06]: you've already talked about so we all know that survivor loves puzzles and a lot of the immunity

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_06]: challenges might include puzzles so if you want to be a challenge beast you have to be able to do

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_06]: puzzles and so i just again it's that overconfidence i can do everything even if i suck at it i can still

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_06]: do it and i'm gonna beat everyone so just i thought that was fascinating that he really perceived himself

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_06]: in such a way that he was going to be like a challenge beast and he was going to be a threat

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's great again to have that confidence but you also have to be mindful of how that's going to

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: be seen by the people who are around you right and obviously he was and has been a threat to at least

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_04]: one player and that was saul and we already talked about saul doing you know going to work to undermine

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_04]: what rome was saying yeah but by spreading the stuff about kyle that he did rome of course became a

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_04]: direct threat to kyle as well and since people you know we discussed it people believe kyle rather than

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_04]: rome that made him an overall liability because as i say in this rule another way to be a threat is if

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_04]: you are so untrustworthy that people don't know which way you will vote you may be perceived as a threat

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_04]: to them sticking around with rome it wasn't just about how he would vote but what would he say and who

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: would he say it to if right if he could tell tiana that kyle was targeting her while tiana believed they

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_04]: were tight what else might he do in situations where maybe they didn't have as much information

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: add that to his own original tribe mates talking about what he did and and what he said to them

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and he was perceived as just too chaotic a piece to stay on the game board yeah unfortunate for you

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_04]: like having a it's like having you playing chess and having a piece that can randomly jump over here

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_06]: or over there or something you know well right and you really do have to be so mindful of everyone

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_06]: else that's in your space regardless of what your game entails and that was again something that rome

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_06]: was not recognizing that his actions are going to negatively affect genevieve if people believe that he

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_06]: and genevieve are together same with teeny and if and if he's the if he's the person that everyone is

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_06]: looking at and he's the person who's causing the issues he's not the person you want to tie yourself

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_06]: to and try to get through the game with if everyone is worried about how he's going to vote and his loyalty

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and what he's going to do and what's what's he going to say next even though i think in rome's mind he

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_06]: thought well i'm i'm being truly loyal because i i'm trying to look out for everyone they just don't

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_06]: know that i am it's it's a very mixed perception that you were putting out there for everyone yeah

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah all right well the seventh rule covers idols and advantages and game mechanics and obviously

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_04]: we saw rome find the idol on his original tribe but the way it was portrayed made it seem like he

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_04]: was trying to be secretive while everyone else was suspicious of him he said in interviews however

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that the other three he believed were in his alliance we're all in on it now let's presume

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that was the case it does somewhat soften the way uh you know he was rather obvious about it because

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_04]: he felt he had an alliance already and it it didn't really matter what the other two thought as we

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_04]: previously discussed um of course again it comes back to his perception of his situation there right

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_06]: well and i think that that would also help us understand why he wasn't like shocked and appalled when he

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_06]: came upon tini and kishon looking at the idol box because if they were if they were that close then oh

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah great go ahead you know you can all look at the box because we're all together and i think that's

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_04]: supporting what he's presenting right i agree um and what really mattered was in relation to that

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_04]: when he did find it he told teeny he showed teeny where the box was saying he trusted teeny a million

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_04]: percent or something like that and despite what rome had thought teeny said they had planned to vote

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_04]: out rome but now they couldn't so it turned out that rome sharing his idol information and advantage

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_04]: information with teeny did solidify uh any alliance at least for the time being and it also showed how

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_04]: tight teeny and kishan indeed felt they were at the time with genevieve as kishan had discussed in his

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_04]: interviews because they could have easily just shifted the target to her but kishan and teeny didn't

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_04]: want to they came up with that lie that story that they told asia about oh well you know he said he

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_04]: might use it on her which no they just wanted to protection right right now rome also got the vote

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_04]: steal from the journey he went on and used that to help take out kishan when kishan had tried to

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_04]: blindside him did he technically need it no uh but it helped make everything secure ensured kishan

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_04]: couldn't even play a shot in the dark and theoretically made saul feel better plus him using it meant he

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_04]: couldn't be seen as someone with an advantage when you get to the merge and therefore putting a target

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_06]: on yes and i will say that that particular move was it was very enjoyable for all of those reasons

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_06]: because it did check all of the boxes did he need it no but did it do all of these things yes and so i i

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_06]: do think that that decision from a game perspective was was a perfect decision for him to do yeah now you

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_04]: had mentioned earlier well actually i had and you had his shot in the dark um now he told mike bloom

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that he considered using it in this tribal council because he believed there was about a 25 chance he could

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_04]: be a target but he decided against it because even if it hit it would only save him the one time and

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_04]: everyone would clearly have wanted him out now i both agree and disagree you know presuming we're

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: taking his interview at face value here sure i agree he shouldn't have used it if he thought there

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_04]: was only a 25 chance of him being the target because you know mostly he believed he was the one leading

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the charge and corralling the votes so it would have looked very strange to others if he had then turned

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: around and used the shot in the dark if indeed he had been right about the way the votes were going

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: right right people would have been like wait you got us to vote this way why are you playing your shot in

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_06]: the dark um he could have played it off and like i wanted to show you that i'm that trustworthy and i

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_06]: don't have my shot in the dark moving forward so you don't need to worry about me anymore right

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_04]: wink yeah but i disagree with the reasoning saying well it only keeps you safe for one vote so there's

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_04]: no point in using it because we have seen many times that staying safe for just one day can indeed

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_04]: turn everything around now it didn't for caleb i understand that but right um you never know when

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_04]: someone might do or say something to put themselves in the spotlight or if you might win immunity the next

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: time or there could be some sort of twist that ends up helping you which it looks like there's going to

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_04]: be next episode so you just you never know any time if if you're certain again you know or have a good

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_04]: feeling about it you should try to save yourself never resign yourself and say it's only going to save

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_06]: me for one weekend right yeah no i agree i think it would have been the better option if you and he also

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_06]: did say that when you're not hearing another name and you might be that name ding ding ding yes and if

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_06]: that's what you were thinking then that is all the more reason to play the shot in the dark just to

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_04]: avoid that being a potential issue yes all right well appendix a uh is next up here we can talk about

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: it because it is about the players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and you know it normally

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_04]: goes vote out the weak then the strong then the weak then the strong but the merge vote in the new era

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_04]: is a situation where we frequently see the so-called easy votes and there may never has been as easy and easy

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_04]: merge vote as this one because not only did the other players see and hear what rome was doing

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_04]: but even his own original tribe mates not only did they not try to pour water on it they poured gasoline

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: on it yeah um you know as the appendix notes it's no surprise if the actual merge vote is someone who is

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_04]: more of an easier consensus pick to kind of ease into the merge in many ways it's like the very first

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: vote of the season when people are just happy if it's not them right with so many people to choose from

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and one person standing out for playing too hard and spreading stories and doing all the other things

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_06]: we talked about it was an easy decision yes and i also would like to note here just for rome's

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_06]: perspective or from his perspective that he wanted to vote out saul because he knew saul didn't like

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_06]: him and so he didn't want saul on the jury because he wasn't going to vote for him if he was in the final

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: three which i thought was an interesting little side i mean it's something we see we we see it more

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_04]: often i think in big brother um you know we see it occasionally in in um in survivor but i think

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_04]: more often in big brother people will start talking about well i don't want that person in the jury they'll

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: never vote for me right right or they'll vote emotionally instead of strategically and i don't want that or

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever yeah so yeah all right with that it is about time to wrap things up what are your final

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_06]: thoughts on rome oh rome you were my rock here you are and unfortunately just like my other rock that i

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_06]: chose it was the wrong one so with that rome i i am sad to see you go because you were my winner pick

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_06]: and i was hoping maybe maybe the tides had turned maybe the rock gods were going to look down on me

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and say you know what this girl deserves a win with a rock we're gonna give her this one but no apparently

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_06]: there are no rock gods looking out for me at this time either rome came in with so much confidence

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_06]: and really wanted to play this game with gusto i have to say i'm very impressed that he was able to

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_06]: pull off watching all of the seasons of survivor within a very very short amount of time and i was a

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_06]: little concerned that maybe there would be too much going on in his brain about survivor because he

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_06]: didn't have enough time to marinate on it and i do think that that is a key component to being

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_06]: successful in this game you have to watch the seasons you have to understand what's happening

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_06]: you need to read all of the things that are being provided to you and watch all the podcasts like this one

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_06]: to truly understand what the game is and how it works you can't just cram it all in and then expect to

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_06]: understand it it was like he was cramming for a test but he didn't do any of the review he just

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah he did read all the materials and so i i was worried and i think that's maybe what happened here

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_06]: is that there was just so much in his mind when it came to playing the game that he thought it was going

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_06]: to be fast and quick and furious and i just got to get in there and i got to do it without understanding

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_06]: that sometimes things take time and patience and just a little bit of quiet and you can play survivor

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_06]: that way too unfortunately he didn't and rome frustrated some people so much so that he found

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_06]: himself being the merge boot so rome thank you for entertaining us though you did really entertain

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_06]: mabel you created a lot of fodder a lot of discussion a lot of tweets and a lot of imagery and and comments

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_06]: so thank you for that for putting yourself out there we truly appreciate it and you got to sit in jeff's

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: seat i'm jealous so that's great yeah i'll have some similar thoughts to you as well but you know

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: starting where you ended there rome had an incredible survivor experience in the time

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: yes where he was there he found and played in idol he went on a journey to get and then play an

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: advantage he survived a blindside attempt thanks to his ally he was the first player to sit in jeff's

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: seat at tribal council he was either incredibly entertaining or annoying to viewers depending on

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: who you ask sometimes both and he got a ton of tv time for both good and not so good reasons in his

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: final words i would say he was right that he was very entertaining but he was also right that

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: he ruffled some feathers the first part is not what we focus on here the last part is because it

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: definitely played into him getting voted out rome ruffled feathers in a few different ways both

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: socially and strategically from the social side he didn't seem to fully consider that those outside

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: his initial tribal alliance might still be of use to him so he treated them as if they weren't important

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: when saul made it to the merge he had a big incentive to help turn the tables against rome

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and even those he counted as allies felt that he was just too much for a lot of the time

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and they certainly didn't put up a fight but he might have been able to survive the initial merge vote

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: if he had just kept his head down and let someone else screw up and get the attention

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: as we mentioned he told rob his biggest flaw was not being quiet and letting things happen at the

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: merge as he knew he should rob rome told dalton ross all i can do is look back and say okay did i play as

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: hard as i could did i have as much fun as i could and did i leave it all out there on the floor and i

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: like to say if you didn't play hard you didn't play at all well he did play hard but as we said when

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: keishan lost he played too hard he knew he shouldn't have played that hard he wanted to be like sandra and

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: go with an anyone but me strategy but he couldn't help himself as you mentioned remember everyone

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: that rome discovered survivor and binged it in just a few months we've said before just about two minutes

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_04]: ago that one concern we have with people who binge watch all the survivor seasons in such a short time

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: frame is that there isn't as much time for them to digest all the implications of what happened now

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: to his credit rome went beyond that and dove into commentary like podcasts and reddit but even so i do

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: think there were some missing pieces like a full understanding of your own point of view versus the

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: point of view and perceptions of other players i think rome would be fun to have back on the show

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: after he's had some more time to digest all of this watch the show in real time realize that he was

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: looking at things one way while others viewed them from a completely different perspective we say it all

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: the time perception is everything rome had one idea of what he was doing and how he was acting but didn't

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: realize that almost everyone else had a different idea entirely even when he felt he was being loyal and

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: doing things to make people trust him others saw other aspects to his personality and felt the opposite

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: but most importantly rome needed to listen to himself and slow down playing hard can be fun

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: but as they say it means you're there for a good time not a long time in the end rome played survivor

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: like he watched survivor fast and that is why rome lost yes very good very good analogy there

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: oh rome yes well before we get to our predictions for next episode i do want to just remind everyone

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: that the rules we just discussed are available in poster form poster on a t-shirt form and

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: checklist form by going to rob has a website to

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: dot com slash y x lost feed yes and am i talking about how people can find us all right excellent i

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_06]: always forget the order of things sometimes so i am at jessicalewis 89 on twitter and i am also at

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_06]: jessicalewis 6789 on instagram i do live tweet during the episodes and i do have a great time doing that

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_06]: but and she's always behind me as usual you know listen i've learned why that is ladies and gentlemen

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_06]: let me tell you what i just learned about mr david bloomberg here he tweets from his computer yeah

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_06]: during the episodes well yeah you have any idea how fast i did well but and then you were like and this is

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_06]: why i beat you all the time yeah so now that answer is solved but i am my mind is blown that you would

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_06]: be tweeting from your computer i'm just i don't know i don't know why that blows your mind so much but

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: yes i during live tweeting i tweet from my computer and i also take notes at the same time which makes

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_04]: it you know it's a lot easier to do that on the computer than on the phone yeah that's a fair point

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: that is definitely a fair point just i never i didn't envision it that way and so now that answer

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_06]: has come to be in existence because david bloomberg not only tweets from his computer he also has a lot

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_06]: of social media content so much so that here is a page that was created by mr david bloomberg at linktree

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: yes yes yes so you can uh find all my various accounts at linktree slash david bloomberg with a

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: dot before the ee in that url uh or you can find me in other places too um you know big brother 26 is

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_04]: over obviously and therefore my double duty why blank loss podcasting uh is done as well but i'm still

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_04]: co-hosting the trade our podcast for the traders canada season two uh that's t-r-a-i-d-a-r if you want

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to search for that or you can find me directly on twitter and blue sky is at david bloomberg on

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_04]: threads is at david bloomberg tv and uh that's also my handle uh at david bloomberg tv for youtube

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_04]: tiktok and instagram where i've been posting well since big brother ended i have to admit i i can't

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_04]: post like four videos every day anymore so it's three or sometimes two uh per day um you know i mentioned

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: last week i passed 40 000 subscribers on youtube so i encourage people to uh join the fun and subscribe

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: over there and you know i'm posting clips from survivor uh the traders canada the summit and house of

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: villains among other things you do so much it's kind of crazy it's you know it's it's my full-time job

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_06]: it is since you're retired yes you yes you're just taking over i love it it's so good for you

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: no i like i think it's fascinating like the relationship that i've now developed with you

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_06]: throughout the years because god we've been doing this together a long time haven't we

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: have i realized i was i was reminded on linkedin of all places uh that i started on rhap

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: doing this podcast originally with rob about nine years and a week ago wow and so we did it for a

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: little while so that means you and i have been doing it for probably what seven seven and a half

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_06]: something like that well it had to have been it was right after 2016 when i was on the show so then i

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_06]: would have started probably 2017 yeah that's crazy yeah long time but it's been so much fun it's been great

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_06]: but i i just love that it's changed so much because when we first started you were so opposed to like

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_06]: any video type of thing happening and now look at you not only do you do this but you do all of the

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: tick tocks and you're constantly like putting yourself out there i love it i think it's great

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: well good good all right you know what else we think is great predictions no we don't we don't think

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_04]: that's great okay no um i will go ahead here uh the preview again didn't give us much except that andy

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: apparently wants to flip on his tribe now who knows if that's true but yeah if it is you know i can't

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: blame him uh since you know we talked about it earlier he may well find out that sam was perfectly

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: okay with him being the backup target plus of course that secret scene where you know sierra didn't pick

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: him uh to be on that merge team um so i think that has to make him wonder about trust in that regard

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: still the thing is andy is playing the game in a way that he wants to be someone who is scooped up

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: not someone who's trying to take a leadership role so even if he does want to flip on them

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: i don't know that he'll have the opportunity um you know especially with the comments room made in

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: interviews about how well sam appears to already have integrated with people on the various other

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_06]: tribes yeah i'm curious if andy will try it and realize it's going nowhere fast and maybe just

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_06]: realize he's got to just stay where he is and i am also curious how sam and sierra are going to

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_06]: respond because i'm certain andy is going to approach them and call them out on it and hopefully

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: they'll have a good answer for him yes so i think things will go in a different direction

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: direction i just don't really know what that direction will be um i i i suppose it would make

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: the most sense if it's andy himself since you know he was the backup vote but i still think he'll be

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: around for a while so my mind keeps going back to tiana for a few reasons one gabe and sue were mad

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: at her for throwing gabe under the bus in the mixed up group reward a couple weeks ago uh two sue believes

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: that uh tiana knows about the pink immunity idol uh three even though everyone took kyle's side over

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: rome this week the statements rome spread are still hanging out there uh and sometimes even if they

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: don't hit immediately people are like well maybe he did have a point um so i i'm gonna make that my

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_06]: prediction i think tiana is next i'm gonna go in a different direction i'm looking at my little cheat

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_06]: cheat here because i'm trying to determine who has people who are kind of on their side now i would

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_06]: agree that tiana doesn't necessarily have people who are on her side and she was who i thought was

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: potentially going to be the merge boot but i keep i'm going back to rachel because rachel really is kind

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_06]: of on her own in a strange way because she's not in with andy or sam or sierra and i don't know if

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_06]: she's going to try to make inroads somewhere but i don't know how well it's going to work for her

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_06]: considering i don't think sam or sierra are going to go to bat for her i don't know i'm gonna go with

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: rachel okay now after i had put together my predictions i saw from jeff pitman on twitter

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that cbs put out a press release about the next episode and in that press release it suggests that

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: half the players will be immune so that means all they did was postpone that that bad twist

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_04]: from the mergatory episode to the episode after the merge now i'm frustrated yes and that's exactly

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: what jeff and i were talking about on twitter it's like as jeff said something to the effect of

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: do they hate getting praise you know do we're all like apparently great idea and they're like nope

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: we're gonna do it again we're just gonna save it one episode yeah i don't know that that impacts

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: our predictions because you can't predict who will be in that group right right but it could also

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: explain like why andy doesn't end up getting targeted because maybe he's on that group right

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: uh so we'll just have to see what happens listen jeff we've already told you we really loved the fact

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_06]: that it was basically a merge can we just let it be a normal yes please yes he's so ridiculous

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_04]: no you cannot anyway um all right well as we wrap up i do want to encourage people to check out the

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[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_06]: scott st pierre and jessica sterling for all of the producing and editing that you do not only for

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_06]: wide blank gloss but all of the incredible content that you just heard david bloomberg speak of there

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_06]: are so many options available we have such a great team and the staff that's been put together providing

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_06]: all of this incredible content to you and it really is amazing how much work goes into all of the

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_06]: production that you see it it looks like it's really like here it is but there's so much work behind

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_06]: the scenes even this pretty little like backdrop that we have that's a whole thing like it's

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_06]: incredible so thank you so much to everyone for all the work that you do thank you david bloomberg again

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_06]: for a special episode and i feel like even though my winner pick is gone i'm gonna i'm just gonna put

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: this guy up here because you know what jeff jeff you gotta start listening to us okay please can you

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_06]: can you stop all of the madness stop we don't need all of this extra let the players just play the game

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_06]: they will surprise you because they'll be really good at it yeah yeah anyway all right well thank you as

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: always jessica um and uh yeah we you know this was you know kind of a a weird week uh for me you know it

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: was the you know post-wedding slowdown you know i mean we did one after the wedding uh earlier last week

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: but this is you know everybody's gone things are going back to normal it's kind of like really strange

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: for me here and it's just the two of us and then next week as far as i know it'll just be the two of us

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and then we'll have a couple of guests as we pick up again later we just had to kind of take that break

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: for things to uh you know shake out yeah so so yeah thank you as always and uh we will be back here

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: in one week so we will see you then bye bye if you lost survivor and you're feeling down

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: david and jessica will turn it around they'll break down the rules and they'll show you

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: how you're playing yourself and got voted out this is why blank lost

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: this is why blank lost

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: this is why blank lost

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Survivor 46 RHAP