Why ___ Lost: Survivor 47 Ep 4

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down David and Jessica will turn it around

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how You played yourself and got voted out

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_03]: This is why __ lost And this is why __ lost

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Baby, this is why __

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back to the Survivor Edition of Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg and I'm

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: 45 years old. Just like Sue. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. I am 45 years old and there's nothing wrong with being 45 years old.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You just blew it because I was going to introduce you as my 35 year old co-host Jessica Lewis.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I'll take it. Thank you. I am 35. Yes. Considering I still get.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we'll just edit out that part where you said your actual age.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_09]: I know, but I do. I do still get ID'd when I go and buy some certain type of beverages at times, which is quite fun.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't. I do. I and it's and my my family thinks it's great. So anyway, but I'm not the only one who's here, David.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You are not as our video viewers can see. We are extremely thrilled to welcome our special guest, Liz Wilcox.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, what's up, friends?

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I was gonna say years, you know, or more from your age, but that would make you like a child. So yeah, well, I was gonna say if if Sue is 45, I am a rumored billionaire.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, Sue, I mean, there's something to those rumors. Yeah. Sue is older than I am. One of the rare cast members who's older than I am.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. And Sue, you look like you're in great shape. You look good.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry. You don't look 45.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, maybe to the 20 year olds who she's playing with.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. What do they know the difference? You know, I don't know it like mom's age.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, that's that's what they think of. But I just thought it was fascinating that Kyle was so like,

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_09]: so great since she was 45. And I'm like, wait, what did 40?

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_09]: When did that become like a special thing? Oh, this look at her. Oh, she's 45.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that's so great. Like, come on. 45.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_09]: 45 is is young. So, Kyle, don't be. Yes, it is.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. I mean, it was like, oh, look at you like you don't have a wheelchair pushing you around because she said she said she was 45 and look at the woman.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, she's I thought that was quite strange, quite strange.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And Sue, you look great. You look fantastic.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I but I do think that that was a strange kind of choice to make.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_09]: But regardless, I get it. I understand.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, she wanted to lie to make herself look like more of a threat.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, Liz?

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. And I feel like I have no comment because I also was telling all sorts of lies out there to throw people off.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like the thing about Kyle is he was already like in the tone.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I'm pretty sure he said something about grandkids.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_06]: And then she said she was 45.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, oh, sis, I think it was reversed.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he said something about grandkids afterwards, which implies to me that she has talked about her grandkids, which, you know, yes, you can have grandkids at 45.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_06]: You certainly can.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, she did.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_06]: You're right.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And I will say my mother became a grandmother at age 36.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_06]: So when she was 45, she had a nine year old grandson.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_09]: So it's it's certainly possible.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_09]: But I just feel like the shock and awe of someone being 45 and just kind of impressing Kyle so much that they were not in a wheelchair or taking care of.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_09]: OK, Kyle.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_09]: 45 is not that bad.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Sweet baby.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: K.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So besides that, even this was one heck of an episode for us to discuss, even now, you know, two days later, still an amazing episode.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_09]: This was probably one of the first episodes, I think, in a very long time where I was giddy watching it.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, I I finally felt like we're getting back to the survivor that I used to really love, where it really is the underhanded and like people are playing the game.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_09]: And I just I'm going to drop a name.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just going to say it.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Russell Hance is kind of like, you know, that that kind of, you know, play that we all like.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_09]: We're we we all kind of cringe, but at the same time, like, oh, that's so good.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, so it's like I just I loved it so much.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I enjoyed it.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_09]: It was fantastic.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I can't wait to talk about it.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_09]: So anyway, I'm just very excited about this particular episode.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_09]: And my boy, Rome.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_06]: My boy, Rome.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Holler at Rome.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I also am excited about this episode.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I was on the edge of my seat.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, my gosh, I really have no idea what is about to happen.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_06]: This is yeah, it was very like giving of old school.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_06]: People came to play.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it honestly was the best episode of the new era.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Like 46 could never like this was so, so good.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry, Liz.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_09]: This was this was on a different level for sure.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_09]: It really was.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_06]: It really was.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking about it.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And our episode four was Bono.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_06]: It was like, basically, we could have just skipped that episode.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we would have preferred if we had skipped the previous two episodes, which were a bit

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: overloaded.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, very overloaded.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it was it was interesting reading and watching Kishan's interviews afterwards

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: because he provided some good additional information.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But he also added insight that I'm sorry to say made me think about his game less positively.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I do think that this particular episode really highlights why this podcast is so significant,

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_09]: because unless you read all of the and I'm not just saying this because I'm selling why blank lost.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_09]: But unless you read all of the exit press, you are going to be left wanting and a little bit like confused and not truly understanding how we find ourselves with a Kishan vote out.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_09]: So this is like the power of editing, right?

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_09]: We've talked about this a lot on this particular podcast where they don't always show you everything because they want to keep it interesting and keep people guessing and not necessarily know what's going on.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Keep it simple.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Right. And so I do feel like this is why you need this type of podcast, because it does rely upon the representations that are provided by the players and then all of the additional information that we're able to put together.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So I think that as I was reading the exit interviews, I was thinking, ah, well, they left that out, didn't they?

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Now this makes a little more sense.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, I do think that there's going to be a lot of things that we can clarify.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah. And we will do that by following the same path we always do, comparing Kishan's game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media and secret scenes.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The newest version of the rules can be found on the website by going to our dedicated page at robhazwebsite.com slash yxlossbeatit and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, before we go any further, I do want to mention a programming note.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Normally, I would mention this at the end, but I know it's hard to believe some people don't stay all the way till the very end.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yes. Um, the next episode will be delayed.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, probably won't be posted until I'm hoping Monday morning.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, my younger son is getting married on Saturday.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so I'll be a little busy this coming week.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Just a little bit.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. I hope everyone's ready for the big day.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I don't know that you're ever ready till it happens. Cause you know, that's true.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, who knows what could, what could at my wedding, like my mom forgot her shoes and someone had to run back and get her shoes, you know?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so it just, you never know.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, yeah, that's fair.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll find out where we're, we believe we're as ready as we can be.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_09]: All right. Well, good luck. I hope it all goes.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, now before we address how Keyshawn did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but before we get to those, I wanted to check in with you, Liz.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, now I of course met you and we got to hang out in Chicago at the RHAP event, but there was a few months ago and you know,

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: not many people on RHAP might know what you've been up to.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So what's new?

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, just been making money basically, you know, me.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, so what's new with me is I, after Survivor ended, I actually bought a house.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_06]: This is like my, I don't know, it's turning into my office, but it came with like some boyish wallpaper.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But anyway, I'm very excited to buy the house.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_06]: But I have to tell you the timing was a little weird because I promised my daughter, if I win Survivor, we'll buy a house.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Because I lived very nomadically the first like five, six, seven years of her life.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_06]: We traveled in an RV.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, we always rented fully furnished homes.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And so I started searching for this house.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we started the paperwork for it and she was so convinced that I had one.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_06]: She was like, oh my gosh.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, because I hadn't told her because she's, she's little and she's a big mouth, right?

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_06]: She would have told everyone.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Like no matter what position I got.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_06]: So I didn't tell her.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, she knew I was skinny and haggard and unwell when I came home.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_06]: So she just figured I won.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_06]: She was like, wow, look at mom.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_06]: She's a skeleton, but she got that bag.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_06]: This is great.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_06]: You know?

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, but anyway, bought the house and that feels really, really good.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And I use my Survivor money to furnish it.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And other than that, I've just been, yeah, thank you.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_06]: So I've just been, honestly, I rested.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I was offline for about three months after the finale.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Cause I guess, you know, like me and not getting Applebee's, a lot of fans were pissed about me.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_06]: So I just got off the internet for a while.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_09]: It's been a bit of a shockwave through the internet for a bit.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I, we left the island knowing like, okay, people will either love Liz or hate her.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I, we would, we would say that even on the island, they'd be like, oh Liz, there will be no one who doesn't have an opinion about you.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So that, I mean, I guess that's how my tribe mates were too.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_06]: They either had, they had very strong opinions about me.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_06]: But anyway, uh, I've just been resting.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm finally getting back into work and update on my allergies.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm really trying to get to the bottom of them.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, and they do seem to be actually like alleviating and not as many like wild reactions.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_06]: So I feel really good.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm feeling really good.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So hopefully they'll be gone by the time 50 rolls around.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So you can go out there and eat coconut and, you know, that's so interesting.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_06]: People always ask me like, oh, would you play again?

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And I said, yeah, of course I have a giant ego.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm pretty sure I said that in like episode three, but I don't know if they would ever invite me back simply because of the allergies.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I do remember the last, uh, conversation I had with Dr. Will, the doctor on site for our season.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_06]: He said, I'm not going to fake an accent, but he was like, you know, Liz, we didn't think you'd last very long.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And I took such offense.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, what do you mean?

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Why would you have me on the show then?

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, and he was like, no, no, I mean, because of your allergies, we were really thinking you would drop out any second.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, well, you clearly don't know me.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I would never, that never came across my mind.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Never would I have ever quit over food.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a million dollars.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I've made it clear.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I love money.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I would never.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, and I did find it fascinating.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_09]: When I heard about all of your allergies, I'm like, what is this poor girl going to eat when she gets out there?

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_09]: So impressive, truly impressive that you were able to.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_09]: To just fight through and say, you know what?

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_09]: It's about the money.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I love that.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I love that.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_06]: So what they didn't show on the show, of course, like I support three households.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I really have come from nothing.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I just told people I was a millionaire.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm actually a single mom.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I support three households.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I, you know, I could have used the cash flow, but what are you going to do?

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, instead they turned me into an icon, honestly.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_06]: So I can't even be mad about it.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Love that.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I love it.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And you appear to be an Applebee's mascot.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_09]: So this is fantastic.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Shout out Applebee's.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Shout out Bourbon Burger.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I hope you went to Applebee's a lot.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_09]: I hope you went there a lot.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And I went there, well, when I got home, I actually was really sick and I couldn't really

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: eat for almost a month.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And then my appetite came back and I was ravenous and I ate Applebee's.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I went on a road trip with my daughter and we ate Applebee's probably at 20 different locations

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_06]: across the country because I was like Applebee's crazy when I came home.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_06]: It was just like for spite, I'm going to go to Applebee's tonight.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Did anyone recognize you from any Applebee's?

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Actually, one time Ben and I, Ben from my season and I went to Applebee's together and

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_06]: there were these people that walked in and they were like, no way.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my gosh, Liz, is that really you?

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_06]: You're at Applebee's.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it was like, I mean, can you imagine, you know, a few weeks after seeing that on TV,

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_06]: you literally see the person eating the burger.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_09]: I would have totally sent you a Bourbon Burger too.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_09]: I would have been like right over there at that table.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Get that lady some beef.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Have you seen her when she doesn't get her Applebee's?

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Get her some food.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, the Applebee's thing, it's been really fun.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Speaking to David's question of like what I've been up to, like the Applebee's thing really

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_06]: has been this moment and it's been fun, you know, to be a part of it.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been at Disney and people getting on a ride and somebody screams Applebee's.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, I've been at restaurants and gas stations and people just hollering out

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_06]: their windows, Applebee's, Liz, you rock.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, things like that.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_06]: So awesome.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_06]: That's been so, so cool.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And it feels even a little like reminiscent of those old school days where they had like

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_06]: those moments that just stuck in people's minds.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And that feels amazing to be a part of.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I love that.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Excellent.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_08]: That's great.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Shout out to Applebee's.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Shout out Bourbon Burger.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Shout out Jeff.

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[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, now let's discuss some things that happened this week.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But I want to focus on particularly things that came up on last week's podcast.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so first I want to point out that Jessica, you and Heidi were probably right about the choice on the journey last week.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I and many others, uh, had presumed that if Kyle or Annika tried their luck again after losing their vote,

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: they would regain their vote if they got an advantage.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But upon our discussion where, where you and Heidi were like, what?

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I rewatched it.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I discussed it further with, uh, Jeff Pittman of True Dork Times.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_04]: He was the person whose name I was trying to pull out of my brain during the podcast, but I just couldn't get it.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, cause you know, 45 year old brain.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, of course.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But, uh, there is nothing in the instructions that said, if you get an advantage, you get your vote back.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It just says you can try your luck again.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And so now we know historically they're really bad at writing rules.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So it might've meant that.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_09]: It might have.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_09]: I will say this, this episode with the journey, they didn't leave anything to question.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_09]: They were, it was, it was so explicit with like what everything meant with those three amulets.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's what they were calling them.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_09]: So I, I can appreciate there being a little more thorough explanation in regards to that,

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_09]: even though I still didn't like what they did.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Um.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: No comment.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, another thing Heidi was right about was the Genevieve would suddenly rise from nowhere and take control.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, she said a couple of times during the podcast and I had clipped them and I was getting ready to make a video and I'm like,

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: eh, I never got around to it.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But then this episode happened.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, okay, now I got to make it to a video.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_09]: She was so right.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a great prediction by Heidi.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and we even got to look into Genevieve's brain as she thought about Keyshawn and strangely,

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: all the things he said when she wasn't around, you know, as it's amazing.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm thinking how she just happened to know all of those things.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_09]: It was an absolutely fascinating culmination of events.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And I must say that my Genevieve was something I was thinking about a lot during that moment as well.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_09]: But yes, really quite incredible to have that moment where you, you truly see a player processing bits and pieces and the show is putting it together for you.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_09]: But you know, that's what she's also formulating in her mind at the same time.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_09]: So it just really incredible editing.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_09]: I love that scene.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_06]: That scene was hysterical.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And it also, like for me, it was like, yeah, she knows that stuff because she's the only one taking Rome seriously.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And Rome is the kind of guy that thinks he's a leader.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_06]: So he's going to be extra generous to his follower, Genevieve.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_06]: So, of course, she was able to decipher all that and they were able to, you know, pull it off in the end.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_06]: But it honestly was hysterical editing.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_06]: This episode was so great.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so excited, honestly, for the rest of the season.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_06]: If this is only pre-merged.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It's so good.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And I will say that I do really appreciate that Rome really was actually like looking out for Keyshawn when he was talking to Genevieve about the whole situation.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_09]: When he was telling her about it, he's like, oh, but there was no malice.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, it just it wasn't like that at all.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Which I thought was really quite interesting because it I feel like it showed a softer side of Rome that like Rome really isn't all like like mean and hardcore.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, I really do think that he is he is being genuine when those opportunities present themselves.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think we saw that a couple of times throughout this episode where there were those genuine moments with Rome.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_09]: So he wasn't trying to throw Keyshawn under the bus.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_09]: But he was causing her wheels to spin in a particular way without like doing it in a way where he was trying to goad her to do that.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_09]: So it was really fascinating to see her putting it together.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I think we'll talk about this plenty in a few minutes.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think her wheels were already spinning in that way.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And he provided additional information.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But you're right about Rome.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that the people he is loyal to, he is loyal to.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And we talked about this a little bit last week where it was the chicken and egg.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Was he treating Asia and Saul the way he was because they were outside of his alliance?

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Or were they outside of his alliance because he didn't get along with them?

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think now what we're seeing is it's because once he has an alliance, once he has a group, you're either in with him and he treats you well or you're on the outs and he treats you like he treated Saul.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_09]: But he apologized to Saul.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for a reason.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Ish.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Ish, yeah.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry if I came across in a certain way.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Anytime you have an apology with an if in it, it's not a real apology.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, we'll have plenty more to say about certain aspects of that later.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, another thing that I got right last week was that the preview showed supposedly blood all over the place in the Tuku tribe.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, oh, that could be red paint for an idol.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And it was.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Look at that.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Shocking.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Shocking.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_09]: That would have been way too much blood.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_09]: If someone is bleeding that much, they're being medevaced in a second.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_06]: They're off the show.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_06]: That was something I talked with Chelsea, my daughter.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, remember in season 42 when they had them cover themselves in that red blood paint or whatever?

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_06]: But I actually loved that this episode, like I felt like in season 42 in that opener, it actually like kind of looked like blood.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_06]: This looked like paint.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_06]: It was very obvious that, hey, you're doing something game, you know, like with production, so to speak.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, who are you fooling?

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I was playing with the machete.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, but none of neither of the other two said anything about paint.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: They kept saying there's blood in your hair.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_04]: There's blood on your hand.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: There's, you know, I don't know.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_04]: My mind went right to red paint because of I don't remember who had it in.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, gosh, where they had to like stick their hand into red paint.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: To get the idol.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It was.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember that.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_04]: 41, 42, 43 ish.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think somewhere.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Early new era.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure we'll get a comment of someone telling me because I can't pull it out of my brain right now.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: 45 year old.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I did at least, you know, Sue's excuse of having bitten her tongue was smart because they're not they can't see a cut on your tongue.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, whereas if she had said, oh, I because at first she said she was playing with the machete.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm thinking, well, they're going to want to see the cut.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Then.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Then she said she bit her tongue.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, did you bite your tongue by chewing on the machete?

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't quite know.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, we'll, you know, we'll see where this goes.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_09]: It was all a little strange.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_09]: It was definitely not.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_09]: And but I will say, how on earth did nobody happen by the red paint area when she was trying to clean it up?

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, I don't understand that at all.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_09]: That was an insane amount of red paint.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_09]: She had to do so much to try to cover it, to hide it, to sweep it away, to pick up more leaves.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And I am fascinated that nobody came by throughout that entire time.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_06]: That is interesting because, honestly, the camps aren't gigantic.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they're big, but they're not gigantic.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, sometimes when I rewatched my season, I was like, wow, how did I not walk past that?

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_06]: What was I doing?

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You were resting.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you didn't want to go out looking.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, true.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_06]: But like, I ain't stumbled upon nobody.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I gotta go to the bathroom.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm drinking a lot of water.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_09]: It's fascinating.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_09]: The things that you go back and you're like, wow, I really did miss that.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_09]: And so I guess that's one of those moments.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_09]: But I feel like it was on the path.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So it's somewhere that you would think that there would be quite a few people like potentially coming by.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_09]: But yes.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Guess not.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, getting into the episode, we basically began with Teenie talking to all of us who analyze the show strategically.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: As they said, I'd love to claim the vote for Saul was purely this mastermind strategic plan.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's not entirely true.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I could not fathom writing Asia's name down because of my emotional bond with her.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I like how that scene worked both to show players are human and also that they think about strategy at the same time.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We know that Teenie listens to RHAP.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, what was going through Teenie's mind, it would have been funny if later in interviews, Teenie says something like, oh, yeah, I was totally thinking about, oh, the podcasters are going to wonder why did I write down Saul's name?

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and that's why they were talking about this.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But I just felt like, you know, I felt like Teenie was speaking to us.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I did feel the same.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_09]: And I do feel like she's a really great narrator there.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_09]: She's she's providing insight into a lot of components of the show and kind of breaking it down and making it a little more personal, which I think is lovely to have someone who's able to do so.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Because it really does help people see it from a different perspective that, yes, even though we're playing a game, we're still human and we're still dealing with emotions and the effects of the decisions that we're making.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_09]: And the reasons why we don't want to do certain things might be influenced by other components of ourselves.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_09]: So I really did appreciate hearing that.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_09]: And I love that she's able to do that.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_09]: And I just I think she's fantastic with the way that she provides that information.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I just wholeheartedly disagree.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Teenie makes absolutely no sense to me.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_06]: You don't want to you don't want to vote out a pre-merger.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Hello.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_06]: What does that even matter?

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, well, and I'm not saying I agree with her.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I like that she's able to explain.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I see what you're saying.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not just all game mechanics.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And because I do feel like someone who hasn't necessarily played, they might be sitting there going, well, I don't understand.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Why can't you just why can't you just vote this way?

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Like what's right?

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, because you're still human.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_09]: And there's still those things.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Now, I'm not saying she's correct in the decision she made that I would I would probably tend to say, no, you're not supposed to be letting your emotions control you.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_09]: But I do appreciate the fact that she's reminding viewers like, hey, by the way, like we are real people.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_09]: And there are parts of this that become a little more difficult when you're having to make these decisions.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_09]: So, yeah, that's that's the part.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't necessarily agree with it.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_09]: But I do appreciate the fact that we're hearing that.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess I can be open to that.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I just don't.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just like that old crotchety Facebook group member.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_06]: That's like, why do they cast super fans?

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_06]: It's messes with the game.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm just old and crotchety.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess that's why they called me me ma out there.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Are you 45?

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Because apparently.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I could be 45.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I could be, you know, 100.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Actually, Jeff called me.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_06]: He said he was I was walking around like I was 100 years old.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's why they started calling me me ma.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, Jeff, you just blew up my whole game.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been lying this whole time about my age.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm actually 100.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And you just told everyone.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like hoping that would be for.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Huh?

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I said, damn it, Jeff.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: As opposed to Jeff, who could be 100 and will still look the same.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Forever.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Amen.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, do either of you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we get to the

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: rules?

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_09]: No, I'm I'm ready to go.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I would like to say just give a shout out to Kyle.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Come on, bro.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm pulling for you.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_06]: You're just so cute.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I want you to stay in the game.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_09]: He is a very kind soul.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_09]: He is a very kind soul.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He wants to prove that nice people can win.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I would like to see it.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Even if you're 45.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But a nice person wouldn't lie about something like that.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, there were, of course, other things going on.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Some of them I've already posted, like four of them in my YouTube shorts.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's at David Bloomberg TV and more will be coming.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_04]: One that's already up there, of course, is the perfect scene with teeny giving those looks

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: to the camera after Rome winning on Saul.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, yes.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The yeah.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Those were just.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Those were amazing.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, before we get to how Keyshawn did, we do want to mention that the rules we're about

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: to discuss come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and so go to robhiswebsite.com slash yxlostfeed and then scroll down to the poster and click

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: on it.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, we've got Liz doing her best Vanna White.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and, uh, someone else who has not aged.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, in addition to the poster, you can also scroll down and get the poster on a t-shirt

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: because that's a lot easier to keep with you all the time.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, or you can get the checklist on a t-shirt, uh, which just goes through the rules in a different

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: way.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So again, uh, you can get any of these at robhiswebsite.com slash yxlostfeed.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Excellent.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the episode that we watched made it seem like Genevieve decided to turn on Keyshawn

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_04]: in large part because he used her name as a decoy.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: His interviews shed a different light on that, but opened up a whole new view into the way

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: he was playing, adding to what we already saw from him on the show.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, we saw Rome as the chaotic player, but was it actually Keyshawn?

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And what was he missing that will run through our entire discussion at RHAP?

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_04]: We know survivor and we know why Keyshawn lost.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Love these little teasers.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_04]: The first and most important rule is to scheme and plot.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And Keyshawn definitely was doing this.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: We already knew he was super tight with Teenie.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, the two of them were in the middle of the other two duos with him saying

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: they had really great relationships with both.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: What we didn't know until his interviews was that he also had what he believed was a very

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_04]: solid alliance with Genevieve as well, such that he didn't even consider himself and

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Teenie a duo.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Rather, he considered them plus Genevieve a trio.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And he further said that the plan to get rid of Rome as soon as he used his idol had been

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_04]: floated previously and Genevieve appeared to be on board with it.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I want to emphasize what I just said and that the words appeared to be are the key

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: here.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Because if there's one thread that I believe is going to run through a number of these

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_04]: rules, it's that Keyshawn had one idea of what was going on and what other people were

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_04]: thinking.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And those people had their own ideas.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I think he did a lot of things without considering what other people might

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: think or at least not recognizing that they might be thinking something other than what

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_04]: they were saying.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's really appropriate to me that we have Liz here because it seems, Liz, that a lot of

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_04]: your own strategy was not only considering what others would think, but molding it the way

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: you want it.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I really, really appreciate you saying that.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I have a degree in leadership.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_06]: So I always say like, it's just a master's in manipulation.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I know how to get people around an idea and to push that narrative forward.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think Keyshawn thought he knew how to do that, right?

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we see many scenes of him.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And, oh, I'm just pushing him to go do this or that.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_06]: But really, I think in trying to do it, maybe just in this one tribal council trying to do

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_06]: so many things, like, which I'm getting ahead of myself with the rules, like just doing too

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_06]: much, right?

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_09]: So you scare people, David.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_10]: They don't want to talk about another rule too soon.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I ain't scared.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I just appreciate an outline is all.

[00:35:48] Yeah.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Hold on.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Watch, watch me scare Jessica.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Ready?

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, God.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_09]: No.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_09]: It's awful.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_09]: This is the worst candy besides like circus peanuts, which I think you like those too.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Those are amazing.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, God.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Just eat chalk, right?

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Just eat chalk.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_09]: What are you doing?

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_09]: It's disgusting.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, moving on.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Moving on.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, God.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I can't even like the texture.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_09]: See, I've scared her.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Told you.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_09]: You just moaned and made me throw up.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_09]: They're so gross.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Mommy and daddy are fighting niggers.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Help me in the comments.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_09]: There's so many better candy options.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_04]: People will take side in the comments.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_04]: They do.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_09]: And listen, if you're on his side with candy corn and circus peanuts, come on.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Then you're right.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I agree with Jessica.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_06]: They're effing nasty.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And I hope I'm allergic to them.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Wouldn't it be amazing?

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_09]: You're like, yep.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Circus peanuts.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Damn.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Can't eat those.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Well.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, are we talking about Keyshawn?

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Getting back to Keyshawn.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: What episode is this?

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that he sees now what he didn't in the game.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he told Dalton Ross, you feel so naive in that moment.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, you have to remember, these are 18 people who all knew exactly what they were

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: doing.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Every single person knew that they had strategy, knew exactly what they were going to do.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought I knew exactly what I was going to do.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And like I said, that's the key here to me.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: He was enacting his own plan.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But other people, especially in this case, Genevieve, had their own plan.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And beyond just the plan, he also told Dalton, the thing that you don't realize is other people

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_04]: have relationships in the background as well.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And you just never know who is going to be prevailing and who's going to be the strongest.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And certainly he proved that to Asia in just the prior tribal council when she believed

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04]: she had a tight relationship with him while he had a better one, he thought, with Genevieve.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, Genevieve turned that around on him.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And as he also told Dalton, it really humbles you in that moment where you're like, OK,

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I just got outplayed.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think, you know, Liz, going back to your season again, I think there was a theme in your

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: season of several people, including one on your tribe for sure, but who were certain that they

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_04]: knew where everybody stood, but were wrong.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's the main reason why most of us lose, right?

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I think Jeff even opened it in our season.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And all of you are just blindly confident and almost everyone will lose, right?

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's something, especially in this first stage of the game, you have to be very

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_06]: like cognizant.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't know what's going on, right?

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Like maybe I don't know.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And not to the point of paranoia, because that's another reason you can lose, right?

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Being too paranoid.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_06]: But to the point where you are open enough to really see what's going on, right?

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_06]: It sounded like, and maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Like Keyshawn was making plans to three votes in the future.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, oh, well, if Rome is gone, Genevieve has to attach herself to me.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And so I'm like, bro, you ain't even gotten to the vote yet.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Like you're already thinking about tomorrow.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Slow down, baby.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_06]: You're going too fast.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, and that's something we've talked about a lot too.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Pre-game, when we read the press that is provided and so many players are talking about the plans

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_09]: that they've already created in their own minds before they even play the game.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Like this is who I want to align with.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_09]: And this is what I foresee my alliance looking like and what I want to do in the game.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And they come up with all these great ideas, but they are failing to recognize that everyone

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_09]: else coming in with a plan too.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And you have to be able to be mindful of that.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that we saw with Asia when she came and she had all of these great ideas and

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_09]: then she finds herself on a tribe with Rome and you're like, oh, wait a second.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Now things are definitely going to have to change.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And I do think that Keyshawn just really got ahead of himself where he thought for certain,

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_09]: yes, I am.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I am secretly controlling everything here and no one can tell when in actuality, other

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_09]: people were secretly controlling everything.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, oh, oh.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he almost did play his way out of it this time.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Almost.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Almost.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Because one part of his strategy was to create rifts between other players on the tribe.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And that certainly wasn't difficult to do when it came to Rome.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, as Keyshawn said on the show, my strength is getting to know people, really understanding

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: them and then being able to beautifully manipulate them.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That should have been the moment we knew Keyshawn was going.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, we saw him do some of that.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: For example, when he was encouraging Rome to be extra Rome, when approaching Saul about

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_04]: his shot in the dark, as he told Mike Bloom, I knew that was going to turn terribly.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome doesn't know how to ask people for things.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He's just going to demand it.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to hype him up.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to create that divide between them.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And he did.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It took a monumental effort on Genevieve's part to push them to vote together, not to

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: mention both of them overcoming it as well.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And that was probably the best part of Keyshawn's plan to keep them separated.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And it seems like it came close to working.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I would say that Keyshawn was playing to Rome's weaknesses, right?

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_06]: The things that were easily manipulated.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_06]: But what Genevieve does and why Genevieve is still in the game is she was playing to Rome's

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_06]: strengths.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_06]: His strength is his loyalty.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_06]: His strength is his, you know, he wants to be the center of attention.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And that can, in his personal life, Rome the host.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_06]: That is his strength.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And so she played to those strengths, which feeds the ego.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Nobody wants to, you know, have their weaknesses pointed out.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Nobody wants to be manipulated.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think Keyshawn was really playing to those weaknesses of Rome's, which bit him

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_06]: in the end.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Because I do think that in Rome's mind, when he's comparing and contrasting the two, that

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Genevieve was, she will be so loyal to me.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Because he is looking at her as someone who is reinforcing all of the good that Rome sees

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_09]: in himself.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_09]: She's making him feel better about himself.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Whereas if he really starts looking at what Keyshawn is centering around, he could say,

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_09]: no, no, wait a second.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_09]: He's trying to get me riled up.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_09]: He's trying to get me upset.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And you might not see that in the moment, but then once someone kind of points it out

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_09]: to you, then you have time to really pay attention and go, wait a second.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_09]: So he's not looking out for me.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_09]: He's looking out for himself.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_09]: So I do think that that's a really great point that they, they were certainly playing

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_09]: different parts of Rome.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And unfortunately, Genevieve was playing the better part of Rome in order to make her game

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_09]: turn out the way that she wanted it to turn out.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So we can go into the second rule.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_04]: We've dipped our toes in a little bit here.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And we definitely have some things to talk about here.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I want to start with something that Keyshawn told Gordon Holmes.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He said, I don't have any regrets about going too big too soon.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he added, it's part of the fun.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And otherwise you're just sitting in the background waiting to be taken to the end.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_04]: He said, the fun part of the game is making moves.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no wonder Jeff cast Keyshawn.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_04]: He played exactly.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Did he even say big moves?

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I think he said big moves.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He, you know, he, he played according to what Jeff loves rather than doing what's necessary

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_04]: to win.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He, he also said, I wanted to play survivor to have fun, have a good time.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to make big moves.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't want to just be dragged along.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm glad Keyshawn had fun, but we're here to talk about gameplay for winning, including

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: that million dollars at the end that anyone could use.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But, and we know that big moves are not the way to do it, especially so very early in

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: the game.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Big moves are a no, no.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Big move, big move.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, don't do it.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to lose.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm having so much fun.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Who would have thought this voice can go that low?

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I have an incredible range.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_06]: It's totally off tune, but it's incredible.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say, you can sing next, you know.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Listen, David wraps.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_04]: David wraps.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wait.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_04]: David wraps.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_09]: As good as Sam?

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I was going to say.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I think maybe there's a wrapping angle here because we did see Sam wrap.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but Sam didn't lose.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's no reason.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_07]: So what were we talking about?

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_07]: When Sam loses, will you wrap?

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Big moves.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Not when Sam loses.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not my winner pick.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm not the winner pick.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not, you know, TK was my winner pick.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I just pick whoever is the hottest because I just want them to be around, you know, and

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_06]: he is fine.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, TK, if you're watching, holler, I'm single and I can buy you a drink.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And a bourbon burger.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And a bourbon burger or two.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_06]: He's a bourbon billionaire.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So speaking of big moves like this, I totally get that part of, you know, I came here to

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_06]: play.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I came here, you know, to do this or that.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, you don't want to burn it out too fast.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Survivor.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like a sprint, but it's a marathon.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And you got to, you got to like slowly build up.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, look at, and obviously I lost.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I got it.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_06]: But like the first few episodes, I'm just sitting around, like making jokes about money and men.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the last episode, I'm, you know, stealing Maria's.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Win.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it was very much just, okay, I'm going to make big moves, but I don't have to make

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_06]: them right now.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Right now.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I have to be safe.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_06]: So that I can play that individual game.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_09]: And that was the thing that Keyshawn seems to not have recognized.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_09]: He was safe.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And he even said during the episode, no one's, no one's talking about us.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Like no one's mentioning our name.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_09]: That's a really good thing.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_09]: So there's no reason to start causing people to start looking at you.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_09]: If you don't need to just yet, you could have just been safe.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_09]: This could have been an easy vote.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_09]: This could have been one that everyone kind of got behind and moved on.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_09]: But then you're like, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe now's the time.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_09]: No, maybe now wasn't the time, Keyshawn, because look what ends up happening.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_09]: It all went back to Keyshawn.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he was a bit contradictory in this overall.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_04]: He came into the show saying in the pregame that he wanted to lie low for a while.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And he did say something similar in early episodes.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But then he also said things like, I'm not here to play safe.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here to create some chaos.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe he thought he could create chaos and stay under the radar.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: As he talked a couple of times, like you said, about how his name hadn't come up.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But in a five person tribe, the chaos creator cannot stay hidden for long.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, when Mike Bloom asked him about future players who want to incorporate chaos into their own games,

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Keyshawn said his advice is to know their limits.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He said, I thought my chaos was unending and I thought it could just be an infinite amount.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And I would just be able to recognize what's going on behind the scenes.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But when there is so much happening, you're going to be left out of a conversation.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That's just the case.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're going to play it ultra safe, you're going to probably know a lot more of what's happening.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_04]: However, you are not going to be making any big decisions and big moves and everything's going to end up turning out in a slightly bland way.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Versus if there's a lot of chaos, you might not know exactly what's going to happen, as in my case.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's a lot more fun.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And there he is again with the fun, even while acknowledging this was a big reason he was sent packing and that you know more by playing safer.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_06]: This is why Survivor needs to cast more poor people.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I was thinking.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Because we need people.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_06]: We need people that want to win.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's what I could not understand out there when people are like, I'm just here to have fun.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I number one, I didn't believe it.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, what?

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I was there for the money.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I could go to Disney World.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_06]: You know what?

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And not get dirty.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, what about this?

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I was very much like Keith.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_06]: That was like this.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_06]: So this is not fun.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, like.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Survivor ain't fun.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Going on a cruise is fun.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Going fishing is fun.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Going to play golf is fun.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_04]: This ain't fun.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_06]: No, it really is not fun.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And I appreciate the idea of people who really just want the money.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_09]: The amount of people who have been like, I don't care about the money.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_09]: I just want the title.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, title.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_09]: I wanted the title too.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_09]: But that came with the money.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Amen.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I would think that some people believe it's a lot more fun to win a million dollars.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And then to do something fun with that million dollars.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_06]: All right.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Keyshawn, we love you anyway.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_06]: You're super cute.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I wish you would have stayed.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I really like cute guys.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Clearly, you pick TK as your winner.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, it wasn't just chaos and big moves that caused Keyshawn problems in this rule.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_04]: We saw on the show that he proposed using Genevieve's name as the decoy because he didn't want his out there.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And the show made it seem like Rome was the one who told her this.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But Keyshawn said in interviews that he told her.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And he also said that he and Rome came up with the idea together, but he wanted to make sure it was okay.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And she said it made sense and seemed agreeable.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Clearly, it wasn't.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_04]: There's that word seemed again.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_04]: For one thing, we saw Rome insisting to her that it was Keyshawn that came up with the idea.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_04]: You brought it up earlier and said, you know, oh, there was no malice to it when he said it.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that was a follow-up conversation.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Keyshawn talked to her, said we both came up with it.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And then later she was talking to Rome and Rome was like, no, we didn't both come up with it.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Keyshawn came up with it.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, and then said, oh, but there was no malice, of course.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's like, uh-huh, sure.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, but aside from that, I think this is another case of not considering what another person might think.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_04]: He knew he didn't want his name out there.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Why would he think Genevieve would be okay with her name being out there?

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_04]: He even told Dalton Ross, I didn't think much of it.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Who knew that that's what was turning in her head?

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you should have.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because you didn't want it either.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_09]: Nobody wants to be the decoy vote.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a terrible place to be.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, there was more to it, of course.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Keyshawn said on the show that the true benefit of switching the vote to Rome was it left Genevieve in a more vulnerable position.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, he apparently didn't consider that she might realize that.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't want to be in that position.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He told Mike Bloom that he thinks she noticed him not sitting back and letting things happen, but rather guiding and controlling the votes and then telling her in Rome.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, she was thinking about things in a way that he did not recognize.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_04]: There is this common thread here.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_06]: It sounds like, I mean, kind of similar to Tevin and myself.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Tevin thought we were working together and we were up until a point, right?

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And he said, oh, I just feel like, you know, Keyshawn might have seen Genevieve.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe Genevieve was acting like me.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we didn't see her a lot in the first few episodes.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe she really was laying low.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe she was trying to find her footing.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of us go out there.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I think everybody in there, we try to find our footing, right?

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, I don't know.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was going to come out this way.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_06]: It's turning into this.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me lay low so I can figure out what I want.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And maybe Keyshawn, because this seems to be a theme, just took that as, oh, unlike me, who wants to make big moves, she's just the one playing it safe, which that's not the gameplay I like or admire.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_06]: So she's going to be easy to manipulate because she just wants to be safe, right?

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe, again, it's that underestimating of Genevieve and not, like David said, even considering that she's playing the game.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. It seems like he didn't even consider that she was playing the game.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that you have truly, like, he knew that she was close with Rome and that was something that he talked about in some of his Exerpress as well.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_09]: So, like, he should have been considering, well, she's clearly close with Rome, so there has to be something that she's doing in relationship to that because she's tying herself to Rome.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_09]: So there are a lot of levels that I feel like he just kind of didn't even consider and just really was not cognizant of the effect that the conversations he's having with Rome and Genevieve could potentially come back together.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_09]: And then they start comparing notes, essentially.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I mean, he knew that she was close to Rome, but he believed that she was closer to him.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And because they had had those conversations, you know, from very early about, oh, as soon as he gets rid of his idol, we got to get rid of him.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_04]: He believed she was being honest with him.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And again, it didn't occur to him that this is survivor and people sometimes lie.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_09]: What?

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Like about their age?

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my gosh.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_04]: No, nobody would ever do that.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Or about how much.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_04]: That was.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, the third rule tells players to be flexible.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, Liz, we just talked about Keyshawn having a few different alliances and trying to move things around.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But how do you think he was overall with this rule?

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he was about as flexible, you know, as my hamstrings once I turned 45.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Like not very.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He thought he was controlling things.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And if he would have been flexible, to me, flexible is another in survivor terms.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to be open, right?

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Like to me, he was so inflexible.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Like this is the plan.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I've set it up all day.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm feeling myself.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I can clearly see Rome and Saul.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I've pushed them apart.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_06]: This is working perfectly.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think if he was flexible in his thinking, is it, oh, Genevieve and Rome, they're talking a lot today.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Or, oh, my gosh, why are Rome and Saul talking, you know, a couple hours before sunset?

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And he probably would have gotten with the program and, you know, convinced Genevieve otherwise.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think it was so immovable.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And I've got the plan.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_06]: This is what's happening.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I've, you know, spent the last 10 days or whatever making this right.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_06]: This is the time to make the move.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this I was thinking along the same way.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, in some ways, it seemed like he was being flexible and that he had multiple possible choices.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But on the other hand, there is a specific part of this rule that says players should have their finger on the pulse of the tribe.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And you just described, Liz, all the ways he did not have his finger on the pulse of the tribe.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we mentioned that he's told Dalton Ross, you don't realize other people have relationships in the background as well.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's something you need to do your best to know.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He believed he knew exactly what Genevieve would do.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But she was not a chess piece on his board.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_04]: She had her own strategy and it didn't line up with his.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_09]: And I feel like once he kind of got the momentum, it was like he was feeling and he was excited and he I can't wait to go to tribal kind of thing.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_09]: And and it was really just it was almost like it was no longer like in his control.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Like once it was like, here we go, this is what's happening.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_09]: And then that's the direction.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And there was no like, well, hold up.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, let's let's think about this.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Where I think the approach that they took last episode or was it when Asia went home?

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_09]: So it was last episode when Asia went home where they they had a conversation with Saul and they had a conversation with Asia.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And there was the hey, what do you think about this?

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_09]: And they were kind of weighing their options and then making the decision based upon weighing those options where this kind of almost like seemed like steamroll.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, oh, this is this is this is the time.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Now we're here instead of really weighing the options.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, are we really here?

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_09]: Is this the best time?

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe we need to pump the brakes and we can always do this later.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Because if Genevieve is already on board with this idea of voting out Rome, that means she'll be OK with it later.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_09]: And she might get to that point later when it's more necessary.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_09]: It didn't seem necessary right now.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Such a good point.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_05]: That's really smart.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, thank you.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_09]: You should play.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_09]: What?

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_09]: It's crazy, right?

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when you're done, podcast about it.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my God.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_09]: What a what a crazy idea.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm a crazy lady.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we could go to the fourth rule, which tells players not to let their emotions control them.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And here I need to give Keyshawn props.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And he even practically cited to this rule when he said in tribal council, when you're so deprived of food, you can't sleep at night.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_04]: There are part of parts of people's personalities that come out that bother you, that irk you.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's letting emotions get to you.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: When you're playing this game, you have to be more strategic than that.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was exactly right.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He wasn't trying to vote out Rome because he was annoying.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_04]: He was doing it because Rome was even more chaotic than he was.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And as he said on the show, he could trust him now, but not in the future.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But as he said that in tribal council, little did he know that he was explaining precisely what Rome and Saul would be doing to him a few minutes later, putting their emotions aside to join forces and vote him out.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_08]: It's crazy.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I want to say, like, don't let your emotions run the show, which a lot of people say, oh, yeah, of course, you know, like that was the reason I didn't try to vote Q out after the Applebee's thing.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time, I think Keyshawn let his positive emotions run the show.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to be pretty neutral and steady the whole game to make it pretty darn far.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, have a good case at the end.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_06]: His positive feelings were, oh, my gosh, I'm so excited.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm doing the thing I was thinking about for a week at Ponderosa before we could talk.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm doing the things that I said during casting I'm going to do.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, those are all great, great feelings.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think letting those feelings run the show is the reason why we just talked about him being inflexible in the game.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a really good point.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You should play.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_06]: If you know anybody, tell them to call me.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm allergic to coconut, though.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Will they take me?

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you can get them.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_06]: You might not last that long.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, I might be wasting a spot.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I might not even make it to the island.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think the interesting thing, too, is the comparison to like Rome with that particular point where you have Rome who is who people think is playing very chaotically and playing very emotionally and playing from a from a place that's not necessarily the correct avenue.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_09]: But he did the exact opposite of what Keyshawn did because he was looking at this going, God, I really I can't stand Saul and I want Saul to go home really badly.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I want that guy voted out now to then go and well, now, wait a second.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_09]: Let me let me let me look at this from a different angle and let me put that and did attempt to apologize to Saul.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_09]: So I think it was it was a nice juxtaposition to see between the two where you had Keyshawn not doing that, but then you had the person Rome who everyone thinks is doing that actually playing the game in a different in a different way.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_09]: So it was interesting to see the two come together in this in like one episode.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Jessica, did you see anything indicating any problems with Keyshawn here?

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's the that's what makes this so very interesting, right?

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Because Keyshawn came across as very likable and and he was a social player and he talked about how he had created very close relationships early on where there was the trip, the triplicate, if you will, as opposed to just a duo.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_09]: So I do think that he was able to genuinely be nice.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_09]: But I think that because he was genuinely being nice there.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, did we lose Liz?

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Looks like we lost Liz.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm just rubbing my eyes and I didn't want to be on camera, but go on.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I do love the photo, though, Liz.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't think you are so cute.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't think that he struggled with playing a social game.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I think he was able to form those relationships, which is why he had some options.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_09]: But I also think that he wasn't recognizing, as you've indicated, that other people were also going to be doing the same thing and other people were going to be weighing those relationships and how those relationships were going to affect their game and who was going to be the best person for their game, as opposed to just what was going to be best for Keyshawn.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_09]: So it was an interesting mix because, yes, he was I think he's very likable and I think people got along with him.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think he he did very well in that regard.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_09]: But he wasn't recognizing other people's strengths in relationship to the types of social game they were all playing as well.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, all I have here is that, you know, he seemed to be a pretty likable guy who could get along with just about anyone, even if he was trying to encourage.

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: A couple of his tribe mates to not get along with each other.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he talked in interviews about getting really close to Genevieve on a personal level, said, you know, that was the only time he cried out there and stuff like that, which was one reason he was sure they were locked in together.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But as he was relying on rule five to connect them, she was making use of rule four for herself.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Mm hmm.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Fair point.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Liz, I don't know if you had anything else or we'll move to the sixth rule.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Nope.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I think you did an all right job there.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So this one warns against being too much of a threat.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And we discussed earlier how Keyshawn said in the first few days of the game that he wanted to stay under the radar and be low key.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But then we also discussed what he said in this episode about not being there to play safe, but being there to create some chaos.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think the chaos itself.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Caused him to be recognized as a threat, but rather it was the moves he was making, the making of the chaos, not the chaos itself.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm hmm.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Which, you know, we discussed somewhat in the second rule.

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Indeed, one thing Genevieve told Saul was Keyshawn is way more dangerous.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: As compared to Rome and Keyshawn expanded on that and telling Gordon Holmes that while Rome would be a perfect shield for later,

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Keyshawn himself would not be because he and Tini would sit in the background and make decisions and be threats.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Mm hmm.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_09]: And we've talked about this, too, as being a threat to someone's game because of the potential votes that you can cast.

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_09]: In relationship to that person against that person.

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_09]: So you end up becoming more of an individualized threat to someone's game.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_09]: And so you end up looking at them differently.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think Genevieve was certainly looking at Keyshawn differently because she was recognizing he's doing all of these things.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And that's going to negatively affect my game.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And my game is with Rome.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And I know Rome is going to be loyal to me.

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_09]: And he's going to do everything that I want to do.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Whereas Keyshawn is not.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_09]: And so he becomes more of a threat to her.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_09]: So that's where it becomes very individualized.

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I totally agree.

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it goes back to something we've shared earlier about him just thinking too far ahead.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And in Survivor, especially, you know, there's only five people.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And you just went to tribal.

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Probably already like on edge, a little spooked.

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Things didn't go the way you thought.

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, you still got Asia out.

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_06]: But it's like, wait, Tini voted for who?

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, like that was just a weird vote.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_06]: It wasn't, you know, it didn't go the way most people thought it would go as far as the votes went.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_06]: So for him to, you know, basically back to back.

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm going to I'm just going to be more forward facing about how I want to vote and how I want it to go.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that definitely probably, you know, threw up some red flags.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the seventh rule covers idols and advantages and game mechanics.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And while Keyshawn didn't have anything himself, he had to dance around what Rome had, though he eventually fell victim to it.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He thought that once Rome's idol was gone, Genevieve would be totally on board with getting rid of him.

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And it seems like she didn't push back, you know, just apparently went along until it came time for the rubber to meet the road.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And she decided, yeah, I don't really want that.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe she had decided a long time ago and she was just leading Keyshawn on.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to say.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Either way, once she flipped the script on him, Rome's votes deal made him literally powerless.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And all he could do was sit and watch till the end of tribal council.

[01:08:05] Yeah.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_09]: And this is, you know, this is one of those things.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_09]: It is terrible to just kind of watch all of the premise behind Survivor, right?

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Is that you get to vote people out and then you don't get to because someone takes your vote from you.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And I don't think that we've actually seen steal a vote like work.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_09]: I think someone.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, someone mentioned a couple of seasons ago at working well.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, I can't remember the exact situation.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But this is certainly one of the few times.

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, and I do think that Genevieve really explained this so well because there's so few people.

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_09]: The permutations are so limited and it makes the power almost that much greater, right?

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_09]: When you only have five people and five and one person has to steal a vote.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my gosh.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_09]: You are really I mean, two votes really can mean the world.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And and that's the part of this that I don't necessarily love with these smaller tribes, because you really do take so much power away from people just with something as simple as a steal a vote.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_09]: So as opposed to when you would have maybe eight people left in a tribe and steal a vote might not have as much of an effect as it would when you're down to such a small group of people.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I loved it.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, I thought it was great, though.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It was made for like great gameplay because, yeah, like David said, they took his vote and he literally it was like losing fire.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It was like, oh, I see winning.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Winning. I just I can't not, you know, I can't just sit there, but I know I'm about to lose, you know, like it was giving that same energy.

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_06]: But I want to say the thing about this rule that I was really thinking about, because to Jessica's point, yeah, there's not really much you can do.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like if Keyshawn, this again, this is like the through line here, if he would have understood or slowed down, because I don't think Keyshawn got on Survivor.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Lacking awareness of other people.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think he got he was letting those positive emotions run him.

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I think if he would have, you know, I know Rome has a steal a vote.

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me think about how Rome wants to use this.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. And that's what the rule is, know how to deal with idols and advantages.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Rome, to me, just from what I see, is a braggy and flashy man.

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Very similar to me.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I love being the center of attention.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: If I'm thinking about Rome and I know he already played his idol.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_06]: So he saw season 46 and he's just playing these things because, you know, he doesn't want to end up like Venus and Q and Gem and Hunter and Tiff and and and.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. And so I know all these things.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to run the scenario, not about through what I want to do, through what Rome wants to do with his advantage.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Rome wants.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_06]: He said, oh, I made fire in 20 seconds.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I you know, I'm good.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_06]: You might as well name the survivor Rome.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I bet you he's probably said that to somebody, you know, like I would have.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, and so knowing that I would think, well, how does Rome want to play this advantage?

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a steel advantage.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And David just told us, you know, they are not really used very successfully.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Rome wants to use this to light up the cameras, so to speak.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_06]: He wants to be infamous on survivor.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_06]: We can just tell.

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And so if I'm Keyshawn, I'm thinking he's not going to want to steal it from Saul because that's boring.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_06]: That's obvious, you know, and and why would he steal it from Genevieve?

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, is he going to steal it from?

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, wait, Teenie doesn't have a vote, you know, like all this.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And so that's probably when I would think, oh, my gosh, is it me?

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_06]: So that I think he really.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_06]: What's the opposite of nailed it?

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: With this rule.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: His thumb.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_06]: He he missed the mark.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Missed the mark.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I am curious because he did have that conversation with Rome about the talking about the steal a vote versus taking Saul's whatever it's called.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_09]: That thing.

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Shaun in the dark.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And so I do think that that that makes sense, that he should have really been paying attention to the idea that Liz was just talking about with wanting to be flashy, wanting to be a move.

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_09]: And so if he's talking about I'll tell him to give me a shot in the dark.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_09]: So and so maybe he should have like been like, well, do we really need to do the steal a vote right now?

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_09]: And just kind of talk through the permutations of it.

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_09]: What is this going to look like?

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Do we really need to do this if we're all on board for it to be Saul?

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe that would have been the better play than than being like, yeah, like, go for it.

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, really, like, really, like, force him in to have to give you his shot in the dark or put him in a back of him in a corner and make him feel like he's he has no options and give him an ultimatum.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_09]: That's what I'm doing.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_09]: But not a threat.

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_09]: It wasn't a threat.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_09]: It wasn't a threat.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_09]: It was an ultimatum.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course not.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_09]: Definitely not a threat.

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think, you know, Jessica, you mentioned, you know, with the steal a vote, how much power it has in these smaller tribes.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And maybe that's why we're seeing it work now when it didn't work in the bigger tribe, because in a bigger tribe, you have lots of permutations and you think you know where it's going.

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Like right.

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Fishback, you know, who, you know, and whereas in a tribe where there's only four votes being cast.

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's it's and I it's hard to mess up.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot harder to mess up.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_09]: And I want to mention something here because we didn't really talk about this a whole lot.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_09]: But with the journey and the idea that y'all need to agree or you're all going to lose your vote or one of you has to agree to lose your vote.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you get these amulets and y'all have to get along and love each other and and all this craziness that came with it.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_09]: Again, like that, that journey and forcing people to have to lose a vote in such a way.

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_09]: This is what it leads to.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Because then Teenie doesn't have a vote.

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_09]: And so Teenie's looking at it as, well, I know where I fall in my group of people.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_09]: And I know that if I lose my vote, we'll still be fine because I've got at least three.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_09]: I probably have four.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll be OK.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_09]: So, OK, I'll take the heat on this one, because what did she say?

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to lose my vote either way.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_09]: She's like, if I don't agree, then I'm losing my vote.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_09]: If I do agree, I'm going to lose my vote and at least get something for it.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And so what ends up happening?

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Keyshawn goes home because now she doesn't have a vote.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_09]: And so she's utterly powerless in all of what's happening.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Nobody comes to her with this plan because they know Teenie doesn't have a vote.

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't matter.

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_09]: And so I just this idea of like forcing players to have to lose the one thing that is the like most significant part of playing Survivor is so frustrating to me because it is not their choice.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_09]: This was one of those journeys that some didn't someone else.

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_09]: One of the other tribes got to choose who was going.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And like, you know, so it wasn't people's choice to go.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_09]: It was you were being sent to go.

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_09]: And then all of a sudden here you're now.

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Now your choice is you either lose your vote and agree who's going to or you're also going to lose your vote anyway.

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_09]: So who cares?

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I just I really find that very, very frustrating.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_09]: That's disgusting.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_06]: That is disgusting.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I hate it, too.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I was so glad that our season didn't have that.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, good.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_06]: They got rid of it because it's it's unfair.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't even make any sense.

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's not fun to watch.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Nobody, you know, you don't want to kick a puppy.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, why are you doing this?

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Nobody wants to watch that.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_06]: That's disgusting.

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I will say I agree with you, but I will say in this case, I don't think it mattered to the outcome.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to say for sure.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But even if Teeny had a vote.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, that's one vote.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: They just wouldn't have bothered talking to Teeny.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I mean, they didn't they didn't tell Teeny the plan anyway.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_10]: Right.

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Because everybody else knew that Teeny would tell Keyshawn.

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think they would have handled it.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, everybody else would have handled it the exact same way.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And then.

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Teeny would have been like, what the hell is going on?

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Because apparently and this is something we haven't brought up.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But Keyshawn brought up and I only saw him bring it up in one interview.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: This.

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: What we did not see was before they sat back down again.

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Or that before the tribal council ended, there was a lot of standing up and running around and talking to different people.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't see any of that.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And that made Keyshawn wonder what the heck was going on.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, especially when.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Right after that.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Once it's solidified.

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's when Rome gets up, takes, you know, takes his vote.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So I still think.

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, if Teeny had a vote, if she had a vote.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_09]: So then Teeny's back on the board.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_09]: And so we're looking at five votes.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_09]: She's got Keyshawn and she thinks that Keyshawn is with her.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And Keyshawn thinks Teeny is, you know, with him.

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_09]: And then you have Saul who wants nothing more than to get Rome out of the game.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And so if Teeny is on board to get Rome out of the game and Keyshawn is on board to get Rome out of the game and you've got three and Rome is threatening to steal a vote.

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_09]: So he steals Saul's vote.

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_09]: You still have two and you've got potentially three.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: What I'm saying is it flipped anyway.

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But the point is, it flipped to Keyshawn.

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So by stealing Keyshawn's vote, Rome ensures that it doesn't matter what Saul does.

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't matter what Teeny does.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_09]: And I understand that.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_09]: But I feel like it might have changed just some of the conversations that were being had.

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Just because she doesn't have a vote.

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_09]: So suddenly people are like, well, it doesn't matter.

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_09]: We don't need to talk to her.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_09]: She doesn't have a vote anyway.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think they would have talked to her anyway because of how close Teeny is to Keyshawn.

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm not sure.

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I think.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I think Jessica and David are both right.

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But I have a sign saying.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I think what I know you do, babe, I see it.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I can read.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a requirement.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I think you got to read the advantages.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, I think the missing issue here is if Teeny had a vote, they probably would have had more skin in the game and probably tried to be in more conversations, you know, push a certain agenda, etc.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Whether or not, to David's point, that would have made any difference.

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll never know.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: We won't.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll never know.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Great episode either way, honestly.

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm best of the new era.

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I really think so.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Phenomenal.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And I love the gameplay.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_09]: I love that they were able to come up with the whole structure in which the outcome developed.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Fantastic.

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_09]: But there are still things that I will always complain about.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_09]: As you should.

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Right?

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Damn it.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_09]: I should.

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I should.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I should.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I should.

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I should.

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I should.

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_04]: The strong.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I should.

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: was about alliances, which should always take precedence anyway.

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And in this case, it was all about, as Jean Viev said, sorry, Genevieve.

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I used to work with a person named Jean Viev who spelled her name the exact same way.

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Jean Viev.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_04]: First time I've tripped up on that.

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And that Jean Viev.

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_06]: He's doing great, folks.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Leave a review.

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[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Ring the bell.

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Unlike Genevieve, Jean Viev I worked with was not a nice person.

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_10]: No.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: As Genevieve said in tribal council, what would this was about what would benefit her game

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: moving forward.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And she laid out part of that in the episode.

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: As she noted, she didn't want to just go along with plans that aren't in her best interest.

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And while others wanted Rome out, she called him an asset.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Some of the other peoples would have dropped the E.T.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and he was ruffling people's feathers, but not hers.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I said some of the other people.

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't say me.

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Some of the other people.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Keep going.

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't Rome.

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: We know.

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Rome, we love you over here.

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and you know that, that Rome would always have her back, which, you know, this goes back

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: to what we were saying interesting earlier.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's an interesting point because we have seen a lot of Rome's wild gameplay, but

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: like, like we were talking about earlier, he is actually a loyal player from what we can

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: tell.

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He, he had his solid four, what he saw as his solid four with Genevieve, Tini and Keyshawn

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and, you know, had no use for Asia or Saul.

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's why he was so surprised when Genevieve told him Keyshawn planned to go against him.

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So from Genevieve's viewpoint, why would she get rid of Rome and stick with Keyshawn when

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome has turned on nobody and Keyshawn would have at this point turned on two supposed allies

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: in two votes?

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And then add that to the part where he floated her name as the decoy.

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And we also heard Keyshawn lay out his idea that getting rid of Rome would put Genevieve

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_04]: into a worse position, which, as I said earlier, you know, I'm sure she also realized.

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Listen, though, but the, the, the appendix states make your votes count.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Keep in mind your end goal.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And Keyshawn's end goal was to have fun.

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think he wins this rule.

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, let's get back to what the appendix states.

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You're right.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And that, the problem.

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm never wrong.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have a sign.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You need a sign.

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, or maybe you don't need a sign.

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I should just get one.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Liz, you're never wrong.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_06]: There you go.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, this was actually on Jessica's shirt.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_06]: So I do have a shirt with that on it.

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, Jessica, send me your address and I'll send you a shirt.

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I can play this game too.

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_09]: This is so fun.

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_09]: I would gladly wear that shirt.

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_09]: I absolutely would.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Liz is never wrong.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You're getting a lot of shirts.

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's a billionaire.

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_09]: I, I, I need them because you have so many shirt options.

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't have nearly enough.

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So the shirt I'm wearing today describes, uh, Keyshawn's game.

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It seems like a good idea.

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_09]: No.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a mushroom cloud.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_07]: David.

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_07]: He's aggressive with the shirt.

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Hospital award.

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a sick burn.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I, I can, I'm getting like residual burns.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Bless America.

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_09]: He does.

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_09]: He does pick some, some hardcore t-shirts.

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_09]: I will say.

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I picked a hardcore shirt here.

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I got me.

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_06]: You did?

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I do love that.

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I do love that.

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You're wearing yourself.

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Check it out.

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_07]: This is like when I'm like, I think this is when I'm like, soda's got to go.

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_07]: And this is like, I'm allergic to everything.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway.

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I wish it had the I'm pissed on it.

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Someone made this and sent it to me.

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I wish it had the I'm pissed on it, but it was someone who loves me.

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_08]: That would, that would be great.

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Hang on.

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Now I got it.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Hang on.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's make this show about me.

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I love this.

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, here's where I'm screaming about Q.

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_06]: He's nuts.

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And here's where I am just flabbergasted about Q.

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I remember that one.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_06]: That was funny.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_09]: I can't believe you screaming about Applebee's wasn't on there.

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I think my friend was just sensitive.

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a lot of I think it's hilarious.

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, like I've healed.

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I was just starving is all.

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, but a lot of like my loved ones say they, they had to leave the room.

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Like they've never seen me like that.

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I really am.

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I mean, I know it sounds ridiculous, but like, I really am like a pretty even keel person.

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, David's met me.

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I really am just a nice lady.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And so a lot of my family and friends were like.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_06]: That made me so uncomfortable.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I cannot watch it.

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I couldn't, I had to like turn the channel.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And I didn't warn anybody.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_09]: So I just had an epiphany.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_09]: You should have been like a Snickers commercial.

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, people are like hangry.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not you when you're hungry.

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_06]: We, we had a lot of Snickers jokes out on the island after that.

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_06]: They're like, grab a bourbon burger.

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I just really like beef.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_06]: But the thing y'all gotta know before we move on for me is I eat beef like seven to 12 times a week.

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I've had steak twice today.

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it really is my main source of food.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_06]: It's all.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_06]: It's pretty much the only food that doesn't make me sick.

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Or like give me a rash.

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_06]: So like I really am a carnivore.

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_06]: So gosh, my mouth is watering.

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So when that burger came out, does that happen to you, Jessica?

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Like when you talk about food on the island, you have like a visceral response.

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, good, good.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Because it's really intense for me.

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Anytime I talk about food and the island, like my, my mouth starts salivating hard.

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, uh, Keyshawn, sorry you lost bro.

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I was rooting for you again.

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_06]: You're super cute.

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I hope you're on my screen again someday.

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Love big move.

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It is.

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a great television.

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Great television.

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Not great gameplay, but yeah.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's finish up the, uh, appendix.

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Say, um, and you know, in the first three episodes, we didn't see Genevieve and didn't

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_04]: know what her status was other than being described as a tight duo with Rome.

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, what we learned in the fourth episode and from Keyshawn's interviews is that Genevieve

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: had relationships with pretty much everyone and basically had to choose which of them would

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: be most advantageous for her going forward.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Each of those people felt they were very close to her.

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And for a while they were probably right.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there was no reason for her to make a decision about who to favor until the decision

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: needed to be made.

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And again, we, we, we come back to Keyshawn believing he knew what was going on, but forgetting

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that other players have their own thoughts and plans.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: While he talked in interviews about how super close he was with Genevieve and how they made

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: decisions together and plan to take out Rome.

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That didn't mean Genevieve actually was on board or would stay on board with all of that.

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_09]: She was following the Ghostbuster rule.

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Say yes.

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Someone asked if you want to be in Alliance.

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You say yes.

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, yeah.

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And then once she did make her decision to flip on Keyshawn, she still had to convince

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome and Saul, mostly Saul, that it was similarly in their best interest as well.

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: After all, Saul had been told his dreams of getting rid of Rome would come true and he didn't

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_04]: want to be lied to again.

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But Genevieve convinced them to put their emotions aside and focus on what would be better for

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: their long-term game, just like she had.

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_06]: One thing I want to go there for a second, because I think one thing that, again, Keyshawn

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: really underestimated Saul as a player, because in the last, speaking of making your votes

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_06]: count, in the last vote, they left Saul out, Teenie and Keyshawn.

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And he was like, and Teenie voted for Saul.

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_06]: That never feels good.

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I want to know what it feels like, but I'm sure it never feels good, right?

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: So to think that just because Saul is on the bottom, he's going to go with what you're

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_06]: saying.

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Is a little, it's giving naive, you know, especially, again, knowing Rome, he likes

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_06]: to be flashy.

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He wants to be unexpected.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I'm sure that when Genevieve finally got him on board with it, Rome was so excited

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_06]: to make, like, oh my gosh, after I did all that, this is going to be so good, you know?

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_06]: So I think, again, it was him just thinking too much about the votes, but also, like, too

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_06]: little about the votes, honestly.

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I will say one thing.

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't necessarily that Saul was on the bottom.

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: He was also, like, giving him, like, here is the person you hate the most on a platter.

[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to vote him out?

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So I will say that in Keyshawn's defense for how, you know, with Saul himself.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I can be open to that.

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_09]: But it also was, it just feels like it was too soon.

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_09]: It was unnecessary.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and the last thing we haven't, I also thought, like, Keyshawn gave away the plan

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_06]: too soon to Rome.

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's always like, it's always the last plan that makes it.

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_06]: That's not always true.

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_06]: But with someone, like, if you're hinging on Rome, again, he wants to make a flashy move.

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He wants to do the unexpected.

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like telling him in the middle of the day, the plan, you know, he's got all day to

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_06]: change his mind.

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:32:07] Yeah.

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's something that a lot of players don't think about until they've been through

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: it a couple of times themselves, or they've, you know, listened to former players on podcasts.

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's about time to wrap things up.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Liz, what are your final thoughts on Keyshawn?

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I know you just gave us some, but what are all of the rest of your final thoughts?

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_06]: So I know that I was really harsh on Keyshawn, but I think he was really fun.

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he's a player that could come back because, yeah, Jeff and the gang, and even

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_06]: we like to watch those big moves.

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Are they good for winning?

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes, most times not.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_06]: But I thought he played hard and fast, and it was really fun.

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_06]: He had some great confessionals.

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's just super cute to look at.

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, shout out Keyshawn.

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Keyshawn.

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, Jessica.

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_09]: I do think that Keyshawn was someone who I did not anticipate seeing such a quick downfall

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_09]: for Keyshawn because he did seem to have such great connections with so many people on his

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_09]: tribe, and he did seem to have so many options.

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think a player like Keyshawn could have utilized that to his benefit because he didn't

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_09]: need to be front and center.

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_09]: He didn't need to be stirring the pot.

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_09]: He could have just sat back, enjoying the relationships that he had created, and letting the other

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_09]: people kind of create their own demise, right?

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_09]: If you want to fan the flames a little bit, you certainly can, but not to the extent that

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_09]: he was doing so.

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_09]: And so soon.

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_09]: It's not necessary just yet in the game because now this is where you find yourself, Keyshawn.

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Unfortunately, you were voted out.

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that he really got excited about the big move idea and that I'm going to be

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_09]: able to make things happen.

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_09]: And I want to make things happen.

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_09]: And I want to stir the pot.

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_09]: And I want to cause chaos if I can.

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_09]: And unfortunately, when you are on such a small tribe, you can't hide what you're doing.

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_09]: It's very difficult to hide behind four other people and not have anyone go, well, wait,

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_09]: do you recognize what Keyshawn is doing?

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Do you see what's happening?

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_09]: And so unfortunately for Keyshawn, I think he had the abilities to be a really great survivor

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_09]: player, but he needed to put himself on a different pace.

[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_09]: And he could have gotten there if he just kind of slowed down, let the game happen around

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_09]: him.

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_09]: There was enough happening around him.

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_09]: He didn't need to help it, right?

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_09]: Like just let it be because it's already going there.

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Rome has got these trinkets.

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_09]: He wants to play.

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_09]: He wants to make moves.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Let him, let him, let him do what he's got to do.

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And don't push him in a direction that's necessarily going to put you in harm's way because that

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_09]: player becomes very threatening to you too, right?

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_09]: When you are dealing with someone who has the ability to make a big move and has a trinket

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_09]: or a toy or some type of advantage that he can use, you don't want to be on the receiving

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_09]: end of that.

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Unfortunately for Keyshawn, he found himself right there because he put himself right there.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_09]: So sorry, Keyshawn.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I do agree.

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_09]: You are super fun to watch.

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_09]: I love the just joy that you have in your face when you're on television until the moment

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_09]: it was crushed.

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_09]: And then we saw it.

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_09]: We watched it leave your face in its entirety.

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_09]: So sorry, Keyshawn, but thanks for letting us chat about you today.

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_04]: The introduction to my rules says something that we have to bring up from time to time.

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, most of us, I think, take it for granted.

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But I note the other presumption here, and I know it sounds silly, but it needs to be said,

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: is that the player actually wants to win the game.

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: They shouldn't be there for the experience or to face the toughest opponent or whatnot.

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Or rather, they can be if they want, I suppose.

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But those are not the people who we're focused on here.

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Survivor is a game and the goal is to win, period.

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: That is the basic assumption here.

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And these rules can lead good players to that end goal.

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_04]: To quote Harry, a super fan on Australian Survivor, people should play to win.

[01:36:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I have to kind of quote myself here because Keyshawn made it clear in his interviews that his goal was more to have fun than to win.

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And if he wants to do that and he enjoyed himself and we enjoyed watching him, that's great for him.

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's not part of our evaluation.

[01:36:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Keyshawn said he was coming into the game with a plan to lie low and hide his strategy.

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And in his mind, I think he was still doing that, even as he injected chaos into the game wherever he could.

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why he marveled to Tini that his name hadn't come up.

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But taking a lead role in pushing a strategy and naming someone as a decoy and urging people to argue are not part of an under the radar game.

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was destined to be caught, especially when he was spending so much time thinking about his own plans,

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: but not seeming to consider what was going through the minds of the other people around him.

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It was if he thought he was the only one lying and scheming and strategizing.

[01:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So if Genevieve told him that they were close, that meant it was true.

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: If Genevieve said, sure, it's fine to throw my name out as the decoy.

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It must be OK.

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: If Genevieve agreed about his plan to get out Rome, great.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: She was on board.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned earlier how Keyshawn said my strength is getting to know people, really understand them and then get it and then being able to beautifully manipulate them.

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But Genevieve was clearly stronger in that area.

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: She had her own game going on.

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: She might have felt emotionally closer to Keyshawn.

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_04]: We won't know that till her own interviews.

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But even if she did, she came to play.

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And as she said, she wasn't going to let someone else dictate moves that would make her game worse.

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_04]: As I mentioned a few minutes ago, Genevieve had relationships with everyone and basically could choose which of them would be most advantageous for her going forward.

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Genevieve outplayed Keyshawn at pretty much every turn.

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_04]: She joined him and Tini in what seemed to be such a tight trio that Keyshawn would not turn against her.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He wanted Rome out because he believed it was better for his game, but she wanted to keep him because she feels it's better for hers.

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He helped cause a bigger rift between Rome and Saul.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: She brought them back together with a common cause.

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: That cause was to eliminate the person who thought he was running things and was causing chaos.

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: While that outwardly might seem to be Rome, it was really Keyshawn.

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_04]: As he said himself, it's hard to play with a chaotic player.

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Keyshawn wanted to be the secret mastermind.

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But Genevieve felt that part already belonged to her.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she showed she was right.

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And that is why Keyshawn lost.

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Genevieve.

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_04]: See, she didn't have time to learn how to make fire, but she knows how to make certain fires.

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I need to take a little walk back from that, don't I?

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe playing the video games for 40 hours instead of learning how to make fire was a better idea for her.

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, she clearly rocked it this episode.

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, is she the video game lady?

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't watch any preseason stuff, but I did see that.

[01:39:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Somebody was like, oh, I discovered this game.

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_09]: 40 hours.

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, that's probably for the best.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_06]: You don't want to go in overthinking, honestly.

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, it was instead of practicing to make fire.

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, shoot.

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_06]: She's in trouble.

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Girl.

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Take it from Liz.

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Listen to me.

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Make the fire.

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm sweating.

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sweating, y'all.

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_04]: We smoke the word fire and that's all.

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_06]: You know it's bad when you see Liz's forehead.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my God.

[01:40:21] [SPEAKER_09]: It's a personal issue that we are discussing.

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Chica.

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Chica.

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_06]: All right.

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's end this thing.

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I need to.

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I need a nice nap after that.

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, before we get to our predictions for next episode, which we will get to in a moment

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_04]: here, so stay tuned.

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are, in fact, available in

[01:40:46] [SPEAKER_04]: poster form and t-shirt form and checklist form.

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So, again, go to robhazwebsite.com slash yxlostfeed and you can get everything.

[01:41:00] [SPEAKER_09]: That's right.

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_09]: Everything.

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Get it all.

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_09]: What are we doing now?

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Prediction.

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Telling people.

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no.

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So, Liz, where can people reach you?

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Want to let people know before we get to predictions?

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_06]: So, I'm a content creator.

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I teach content creators like Jessica and David how to grow their businesses.

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_06]: If you really are interested in that, you can go to lizwillcox.com.

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Hit the hot pink button in the top right-hand corner.

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_06]: You can't miss it.

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I would love to show you how I was actually able to take off 90 days to play survivor

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_06]: and recover from the loss of losing survivor.

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_06]: That's lizwillcox.com.

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_09]: I love it.

[01:41:46] [SPEAKER_09]: I am at jessicalewis89 on Twitter and I'm also at jessicalewis6789 on Instagram.

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_09]: But I've mentioned this previously.

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_09]: I will say it again.

[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_09]: David Bloomberg has so much content.

[01:41:56] [SPEAKER_09]: I just often take his for Instagram.

[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_09]: However, I do post during the actual episodes of Survivor.

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_09]: There is some live tweeting that's going on and then obviously I post throughout the week.

[01:42:07] [SPEAKER_09]: But I do not hold a candle to Mr. David Bloomberg over here who has so many social media sites that he has an entire link tree.

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_09]: So, you can see all of the content that he creates and all of the areas that he creates it.

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_09]: So, David, where is your link tree and all of the deliciousness that is included there?

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you can find my link tree at link tree slash David Bloomberg with a dot before the EE in the URL.

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: In addition to that, I am all over the place.

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You can, you know, first of all, be sure that you're watching the Big Brother version of Why Blank Lost with Ovi Kabir as my co-host.

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The finale is Sunday.

[01:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We will have our Why Blank Won and the Others Lost podcast covering the final four probably on Tuesday.

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, week leading up to the wedding.

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm also co-hosting the Tradar podcast for the Traders Canada season two.

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_04]: That one I'm just taking off.

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, the rest of the season I'll be there.

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Besides going to all these accounts on my link tree, you can find me directly on Twitter and Blue Sky is at David Bloomberg.

[01:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: On Threads is at David Bloomberg TV.

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And then at David Bloomberg TV is also where you can find me on YouTube, TikTok and Instagram.

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I have been posting three or more videos per day, often four.

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, that's been going on all summer long.

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, that includes clips from Survivor and Big Brother.

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus other shows like the Traders Canada, The Summit, House of Villains, The Anonymous.

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You name it.

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I've got probably something on it.

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, if you want to, if you're not subscribed to me on YouTube yet, I'm approaching 40,000 subscribers on YouTube.

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So I need a few more than a few more.

[01:44:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, if you want to go and go to at David Bloomberg TV on YouTube there, it would be appreciated.

[01:44:09] [SPEAKER_09]: That's awesome.

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_09]: That's amazing.

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And listen, this man went from I don't want to do video podcasts to putting himself everywhere.

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Everywhere.

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I love it.

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I call that the Drake method.

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, like Drake was on every song in like 2010.

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the Drake method, baby.

[01:44:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I love it.

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Cheers to you.

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, I'm 45.

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know Drake that well.

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, just Google it, babe.

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I will tell you.

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:44:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, probably tell me wrong.

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Time for predictions.

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_04]: In the preview, we saw Jeff say there's a brand new survivor twist.

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And all I could say is, Jeff, it better freaking not be a double tribal council because I'm barely going to have time to pull together notes for one person.

[01:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Let alone two.

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but this is not a new survivor twist.

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It would be at this point.

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_04]: A double tribal?

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Better not.

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Better not.

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I hope you're right.

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_09]: They've got double tribals when there's still three.

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:45:18] [SPEAKER_09]: I hope you're right.

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_04]: They're doing that.

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I really do.

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Me too.

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Angry.

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but whatever the twist is.

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I like it, AQ, David.

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, whatever the twist is, at least a few people did not seem happy about it.

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it looked like Sam wasn't happy about something we were led to believe has to do with Andy and Sierra.

[01:45:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Although, of course, we've seen plenty of out of context clips in these previews already.

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So we really can't.

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And now I do want to mention that, um, Ari Bacher, who, uh, I frequently talked to on, uh, Twitter.

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, Twitter suggested that he thinks this is what the new twist is.

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That there's a challenge for reward.

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And the teams are not the tribes, but a random split mixing everybody up.

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and this, did you say boo or ooh?

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I said, ooh, I love that.

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope that person's right.

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_08]: That is interesting.

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, it could explain, for example, how Tiana supposedly throws Gabe under the bus.

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it could explain how Sam hears concerning information.

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just going to, I have nothing better.

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So it sounds good to me.

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to sign on to Ari's prediction here.

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's a great prediction because yeah, they've never done something like that.

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, now all that doesn't really help determine who might go next.

[01:46:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah, it seems.

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It seems hard to predict that Gata will lose an immunity challenge, but there has just been

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_04]: so much buildup regarding Sam and Sierra and Andy.

[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It feels like this storyline has to go somewhere.

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm.

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been worried, especially this, you know, this past episode that Sierra making more of

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_04]: an effort to pretend to stick with Rachel and Annika as a so-called fake alliance could end

[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_04]: up to her making that her real alliance.

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, especially since there's some, you know, bickering going on with her and Sam.

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Um, million dollar girls right there.

[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But I really do think she and Sam are still solid.

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a red herring.

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to say they stick together.

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And along with Andy, they blindside Annika.

[01:47:47] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't agree.

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_04]: How dare you?

[01:47:50] [SPEAKER_09]: I was looking at my little cheat sheet here.

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he is.

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_09]: And I immediately was like, Andy, I don't know why.

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Just going to go with Andy.

[01:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't agree.

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, he's the one who jumped out at me.

[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, it's going to be Andy.

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_09]: And listen, maybe I should just ask my bag of rocks, but I'll go with Andy.

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_07]: I have no idea.

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't.

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Shoot.

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Y'all walk into every episode like, well, let's see what happens.

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_09]: Pick the hot one.

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want any hot people to leave.

[01:48:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, then.

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, then.

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll hold up the cheat sheet again, sis.

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Hold it up.

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Y'all.

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Come prepared.

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Next time.

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like we might be getting someone who's barely been in the show.

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe Kyle goes home.

[01:48:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want.

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no.

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't know.

[01:48:48] [SPEAKER_06]: It's giving like.

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_06]: If.

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_06]: But then again, it's like.

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_06]: If the prediction is right, like they split into two like teams.

[01:48:59] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, that could be where a lot of drama comes from and somebody gets blindsided.

[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like we've had some really good vote outs.

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, like no easy vote, so to speak.

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe I feel like next week we.

[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_06]: We get just like a casualty, you know, just like whatever and go.

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_06]: That's my prediction.

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be like a.

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Whatever.

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_06]: They can get out of here.

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't care anymore.

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Would that be like a Caroline?

[01:49:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, she doesn't.

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_04]: She's not going to mention names after she just said that.

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Like Caroline or Kyle.

[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It's giving blue tribe.

[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Anyone on the blue tribe?

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Like.

[01:49:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so rude.

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_06]: You think I'm not rude.

[01:49:47] [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm not.

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Not when the cameras are rolling anyway.

[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know.

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, I feel.

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I feel like maybe it's just like a.

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it'll be an exciting episode with a kind of fall flat.

[01:50:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, all right.

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Who are they?

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Kind of person.

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:50:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Interesting.

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's close to the survivor limbo.

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Mergatory.

[01:50:16] [SPEAKER_06]: So sometimes that happens.

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_04]: True.

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:50:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Or it's like if you're not in an alliance yet.

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I know the time is coming quickly.

[01:50:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, we're going to tribal.

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I know I'm not going to work with you.

[01:50:30] [SPEAKER_06]: So you might as well just go right now.

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:50:33] Yeah.

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that.

[01:50:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Shout out, Jim.

[01:50:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm so rude.

[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Why am I like this?

[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Are we done here?

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably not listening at this point.

[01:50:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know.

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going.

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I'm going to get so much slack.

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[01:52:12] [SPEAKER_09]: And Liz, Applebee's mascot.

[01:52:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you so much for joining us today.

[01:52:17] [SPEAKER_09]: This has been super fun.

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_09]: We really appreciate it.

[01:52:20] [SPEAKER_09]: And I am so happy that you joined us.

[01:52:22] [SPEAKER_09]: It was lovely to spend the evening with you, Liz.

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for your insight.

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks so much for letting me ramble on.

[01:52:29] [SPEAKER_07]: This was awesome.

[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, thank you.

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me add to that.

[01:52:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You mentioned, and I mentioned earlier, we got to hang out in Chicago.

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And I just want to add that, you know, I said this on Twitter, but, you know, Liz, everybody who came up to Liz, she took time.

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_04]: She talked to them.

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_04]: She was truly amazing with everyone.

[01:52:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think most of the survivor players are.

[01:52:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But I've seen some, you know, who sometimes they're more interested in other things, you know, talking to some of their own old friends.

[01:53:03] [SPEAKER_10]: These are old ones.

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, so I just wanted to mention that.

[01:53:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yes, thank you, you know, Liz, for coming on here, for joining us.

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we really appreciate it.

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, of course.

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I love I love interacting with the fans.

[01:53:23] [SPEAKER_06]: It's been something I didn't you know, I went on to win.

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Something I didn't think about was being a small part of people's joy and watching the show and being a part of the legacy.

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_06]: And that has meant so, so much to me.

[01:53:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah, hit me up on social media if you've got something to say.

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I guarantee you I'll say something back.

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_06]: So see y'all soon.

[01:53:48] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:53:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I do want to mention I forgot to mention this earlier.

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: We know the live show is going to be in New York next week.

[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, I won't be there and neither will Jessica, unfortunately.

[01:54:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, just the timing on it didn't work.

[01:54:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But we hope anyone who goes has fun.

[01:54:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, like I said, we will be back in a little bit more than a week.

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So thank you both.

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Jessica, as always.

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you again, Liz.

[01:54:16] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see everyone soon.

[01:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Bye.

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: If you lost a survivor and you're feeling down.

[01:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: David and Jessica will turn it around.

[01:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how.

[01:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You played yourself and got voted out.

[01:54:35] [SPEAKER_03]: This is why blank lost.

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is what bleibt lost

[01:54:40] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what bleibt lost