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[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Survivor and your feeling down.
[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_03]: David and Jessica will turn it around.
[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how.
[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You're playing yourself and God vote it out.
[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: This is why __Lost.
[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is why __Lost.
[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: This is why __Lost.
[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome back to the Survivor edition of Why __Lost.
[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm David Bloomberg and it's a sad week across the Rhappiverse.
[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, very much so.
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Very sad.
[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Especially sad for you, Bloomberg.
[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Joining me as we examine and make sense of it all is, as always, that voice you just heard.
[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_07]: My co-host Jessica Lewis.
[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I am here again and we have another special guest this week.
[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_07]: We do a special returning guest.
[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I know this is so much fun.
[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Heidi Lagueris.
[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Greenblatt is here to help us out.
[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much.
[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it here so much that you can have me anytime because I'm going to make it work.
[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you always do and we appreciate and love having you.
[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, I mentioned that everybody in the Rhappiverse is upset and I just
[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_07]: never expected so many people to have that empathy for me losing my winner pick.
[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, is that what it is?
[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Now we have to make it about you.
[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Come on.
[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Obviously, that's not the reason.
[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Obviously.
[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_07]: We're all very sad to see Asia leave so soon and feel that there was so much
[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_07]: there but as a fellow podcaster and the one person on this podcast who will
[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_07]: probably never get to play.
[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I am proud that she got out there and she made it for a week.
[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_07]: And at the same time, we still have a job to do here.
[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, we do.
[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, we're going to do it the same way as always by comparing Asia's game
[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_07]: to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one
[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_07]: and have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information
[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_07]: available to us from what we saw on TV interviews, social media and secret scenes.
[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_07]: The newest version of the rules can be found on the website by going to
[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_07]: our dedicated page at wrap his website.com slash yx plus feed and clicking on the
[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_07]: link bubble for the rules.
[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_07]: And we ourselves will be following rule four as we put aside our emotions to
[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_07]: discuss all of that.
[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I would be putting aside all of my emotions though because she was your
[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: winner pick and I have to, I have to give you a guff about that.
[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I have to go just a little bit.
[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't.
[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_07]: You don't.
[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I do.
[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I really do because we all know how Jessica's winner picks go.
[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't go well.
[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And so the mere fact that I get to have this moment, I'm sorry, Asia.
[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I love you.
[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you're fabulous, but I do have to rub it in just a little bit.
[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you know what's interesting to me?
[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Not to her. Yes.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So Bloomberg to Bloomberg.
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_05]: For me, it's so interesting because and I was talking to my husband about
[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: this last night.
[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, you know what?
[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I do remember some of the things she said when you guys were picking
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: winners and the things she said about me.
[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's a little bit of a comeback now, even though I know who she is.
[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, that's why you kind of have to be still for life because I
[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: do remember what she said about me, but I'll be completely trying to
[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_05]: be unbiased with my comments here.
[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll see how this goes.
[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll definitely do our best to follow our own rules.
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And not be emotional.
[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_07]: But before we get to those rules, we always have some other things to discuss.
[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_07]: But even before we get to the stuff about the episode, Heidi, I wanted
[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: to check in with you.
[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Of course, I saw you for a bit in Chicago at the R&D event, but
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_07]: that was a few months ago.
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_07]: So what's new?
[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I have been so busy with my, my real job, my management job.
[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_05]: So I've grown my team a lot and I've grown a lot at work.
[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So they're keeping me really busy plus my home, my kids, lots of
[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: podcast work on my end as well, not survivor necessarily related,
[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: but a lot of that.
[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And just trying to get back to my normal life after my journey,
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: which is it's been over a year now and I still feel like it
[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: lingers with you.
[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_05]: But I am loving watching everything as a fan, like a true fan
[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: again.
[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Right?
[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm just loving that fact for sure.
[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Good.
[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And of course, you know, we're back to having two engineers on
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_07]: the podcast here.
[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_07]: One lawyer.
[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I see now it's getting up on Jessica.
[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[00:05:58] That's fine.
[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, you had Jake the lawyer on a couple of weeks ago.
[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I did.
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So I will give this one to you.
[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'll allow it.
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, so getting into the episode this week, let's start with
[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome again.
[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, after all he does want us to name the season after him.
[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_07]: He does.
[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Now some of our Rome discussion will be within the rules
[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_07]: itself as, you know, it pertains to Asia, but there
[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_07]: were a few other things of just Rome being Rome.
[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Like of course he wins rock, paper, scissors to go on the
[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_07]: journey.
[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_07]: And of course he is the one of the three who actually gets the
[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_07]: advantage.
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes things just go your way and Rome is riding that high
[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_07]: right now.
[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: He definitely is riding that high.
[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And I can appreciate the fact that he is relishing in the
[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: moment a little bit because I will go out on a limb here
[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and say that it clearly is working in his best interest as
[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: far as the game is concerned, right?
[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he's leaning in hardcore on all of these things.
[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And it is, it is genuinely affecting the outcome of the
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: game thus far.
[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I have to appreciate his decision for how he's
[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: handling all of this because we saw it play out with
[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: what happened with Asia and I know we're going to talk
[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: about all of that, but it's working for him and
[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_04]: he's owning it.
[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He's owning it.
[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And I can appreciate that at least because he's, he's
[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: relishing in all of it and letting us all live by
[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: care so through him.
[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_05]: My concern with what you said though is that to me,
[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_05]: that's a short term, short term life in this game,
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: right?
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like he's putting, he's being too in the front
[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's like once you're on out of that luck then
[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_05]: what?
[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He could, but look at what happened with Q, right?
[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We all thought that Q was going to be gone and Q
[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: was going to be gone and Q kept sticking around.
[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And we were like, what is going on with Q?
[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: How is he still in the game?
[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like that, that can be a game move for
[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_04]: some people.
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And it might work.
[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It might work.
[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It could be a smoke screen.
[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it's working for him so far.
[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So far.
[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: However, this is beyond a journey.
[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_05]: You guys saw the whole situation with the fish,
[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_05]: which he is like fishing and then he's like eating it
[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and not really necessarily sharing it.
[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, he didn't split it evenly across a tribe.
[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And I can see that getting into people's heads,
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_05]: even beyond, beyond any advantages you have in
[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: your pocket and all of that, there is an aspect
[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_05]: of living together.
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you're too annoyed, you put a target on
[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: your head.
[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're doing exactly what he just did.
[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think he, to me, it's like, he doesn't have
[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_05]: a winning strategy.
[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Even though I agree that the advantages and everything
[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_05]: is helping him, I just don't see the long term
[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: of his strategy how that's going to help him.
[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_07]: We'll have to see.
[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Now I do want to discuss a couple things on the other
[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_07]: tribes, but before we do that, since we talked
[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_07]: about Rome at the journey, I know we have to
[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_07]: discuss that journey because at least one person
[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_07]: on this podcast was very upset about it, Jessica.
[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Very.
[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Now indeed there were a lot of people who are
[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_07]: very upset that those who went on the journey had
[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_07]: to take a risk and that risk was two thirds
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_07]: against them for the first drop.
[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_07]: And I understand it.
[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I've gotten mad about forced risks previously.
[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And if we're up to me, it wouldn't happen.
[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_07]: But there is one thing I want to point out
[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_07]: that makes me less upset.
[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_07]: If you go on a journey on survivor today,
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_07]: you really should expect you could be forced to take
[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_07]: a risk.
[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, 100%.
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree with that.
[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_07]: And nobody made you go on that journey.
[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_07]: So the main type of situation I had complained
[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_07]: about before was when the player didn't have a
[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_07]: choice like, OK, you're picked by another tribe
[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_07]: or you randomly some other way and they
[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_07]: had a forced risk.
[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_07]: That is really the complaint I had.
[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_07]: But here they all had the initial choice based on
[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_07]: what I saw on Twitter while live tweeting this
[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_07]: episode, I thought that what I was saying now was
[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_07]: going to be a super hot take and then I listened
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_07]: to know it all and Rob said essentially the
[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_07]: same thing that I did.
[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time though, they might have
[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_04]: a choice to go on the journey, but somebody
[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: still has to go on the journey.
[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So what if all of them said no,
[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: we're just not going?
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: What would production do then?
[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: If they were all just like, no, none of us are
[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: interested in the risk or the potential award,
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: none of us are going.
[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's where I mean, we'll discuss
[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_07]: something like that once we get to rule seven
[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_07]: for Asia.
[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, that's where your game comes in.
[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_07]: It's just like Rob was wondering on the flip
[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_07]: side, how do you stop Rome from going?
[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Like you don't want Rome to go.
[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_07]: He wants to go.
[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_07]: How do you stop him?
[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what if the rest of them just said, no,
[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you're not going?
[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And I have heard, I won't say who or which tribe
[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: in which season, but there's ways they have
[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_05]: done the random selection that is truly
[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_05]: making sure someone doesn't go and I have
[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: heard.
[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm sure if you're playing the game,
[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_05]: even if you make it look fair, you could do
[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: things to make it look like Rome is absolutely
[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: not going.
[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Didn't Lauren rig it for herself to go?
[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I just didn't want to throw names out there.
[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: She talked about that.
[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: She did.
[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: She talked about that.
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad that is not me breaking that.
[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_07]: So, so yeah, I mean, it's part of the game
[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_07]: in that case.
[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_07]: If it were a situation where literally no one
[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_07]: wanted to go and it was forced risk, then yeah,
[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_07]: then there's a point that wasn't the situation here.
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But that is true.
[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm just saying that there is something to be said
[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: about being told one of you has to go on a journey.
[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like, okay, well, one of us has to go and we
[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: don't know if it's going to be a risk reward.
[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: We just don't know.
[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And then once you're there, even if you
[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: essentially were like, all right, fine.
[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And I know we're going to talk about Asia, but fine.
[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll go.
[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be the one that goes.
[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You kind of sacrifice yourself and you make that decision
[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and you go.
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But then once you're there, you don't have another choice
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: because now it's like, well, now you have to do this
[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_04]: thing that's potentially going to be really terrible for you.
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Oops.
[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So sad, but you got to do it.
[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I just don't agree with that at all.
[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to have to make players go on these journeys,
[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_04]: which I despise the journeys.
[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you want, if you're going to make one of them have to go,
[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: then it needs to be a decision of their own once they get there
[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: about how they want to handle the journey.
[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I just, that's just my humble opinion because I just feel
[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: like you're putting players in such a crappy situation
[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: because you're like, Hey, we're making one of you have
[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: to go on this journey and you can determine however
[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: you want to send whoever you want to send rock, paper,
[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: scissors or drawing rocks or whatever.
[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Cause we all know I love rocks.
[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, somebody is potentially going to get
[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: screwed when they get there.
[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And I just, to me that's, that's taking away the social
[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: component of the game and it's making it more about these,
[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: these things that the, that production is, is having more
[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: control over.
[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Could be argued that the social component is ensuring
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_07]: you don't go if you don't want to go.
[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, right.
[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But so, but that brings me back to my point.
[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_04]: What if everybody said, I'm not going to,
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I understand the hypothetical,
[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_07]: but we haven't gotten there yet.
[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_07]: There's always one or two people on these tribes who say,
[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_07]: I want to go on the journey.
[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, until they all do a sit in and say,
[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_07]: no, we refuse to go.
[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Hell no, we won't go.
[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Hell no.
[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to see this.
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, then.
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we talked about that with rice.
[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Wouldn't it be awesome if everyone says no to rice when
[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: they had their negotiations and that happened last year.
[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So for everyone listening in the future,
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: say no to the journey and let's see what happens.
[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I fully support that.
[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Now speaking of choices in the journey,
[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Kyle made a terrible one by not reaching back into that bag a
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_07]: second time after he lost his vote with the first drop
[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_07]: because in his tribe,
[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_07]: he was the only one left out of the vote.
[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_07]: He is seriously in danger.
[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_07]: So losing your vote once.
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_07]: You better try to get it back because losing it a second time
[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_07]: probably isn't going to do crap because you may not have a
[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_07]: second time.
[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I have to ask you a question.
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: If he had reached into the bag and gotten the advantage,
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: does he then get his vote back?
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, I thought you if you get the advantage on the second
[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: time, you get the ball back.
[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that was the implication.
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I was having a debate about this online and it is,
[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_07]: it is one of those situations, Jessica,
[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_07]: where if you or I had written the rules,
[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_07]: they would be much clearer.
[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we could throw her in there too.
[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I don't know if Heidi writes rules like, you know, we used
[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_07]: to.
[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, most engineers don't write the rules.
[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I actually write some rules.
[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That's because I'm on the management side.
[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_07]: There you go.
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_07]: So.
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_07]: So if you read it, the implication to me,
[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I actually meant to watch this back again and I forgot
[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_07]: before the podcast.
[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_07]: The implication is you get your vote back and you get the
[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_07]: advantage.
[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And so then I'm with you.
[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to disagree to what you said,
[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_05]: but now that you're saying that I was,
[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I was to the impression that if you get the advantage,
[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_05]: you still don't have your votes.
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you can still, they're following week.
[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_05]: But I thought you could, you would lose the first one.
[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's interesting.
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I'm like I said, if it turns out that that's not
[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_07]: the case, well, I don't know that we'll ever know because,
[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, they're not going to, it didn't happen.
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, no, you know,
[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_07]: neither of the two who lost their vote decided to go for it.
[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_07]: But presuming, you know, based on the context that I
[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_07]: saw it in, he should have gone back forward again.
[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe it wasn't as clear if, you know, and then that's why.
[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_07]: If that's the case, then I will withdraw this criticism of Kyle.
[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I think actually maybe as a viewer, he's very likeable.
[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think people like him in the island.
[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I get the sense that people like him in the island even though
[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: he's kind of flying solo now because of his vote in the
[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_05]: previous one.
[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he has ways to turn it around for himself.
[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's interesting because I had predicted if they went
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_07]: to tribal council again, he would not be the target.
[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_07]: And indeed Gabe wanted Kyle to stick around and turn on Tiana.
[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_07]: But then Kyle decided he was going to scheme.
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_07]: And he thought Gabe was shifty and tried to get the others
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_07]: to turn on him, which I also predicted, although I used
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_07]: the term twitchy instead of shifting.
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_07]: The thing is, Sue was definitely not convinced.
[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_07]: So we'll have to put that on hold, but there are some
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_07]: interesting dynamics here.
[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_07]: And Kyle did himself no favors by admitting he lost his vote.
[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And I really do feel like in addition to that and just
[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of playing off of it, when you find yourself in a
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: circumstance like this and survivor there, there are
[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: times in your game when unfortunately you do just have
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: to take a step back and say, okay, thank you for the
[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: opportunity.
[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to take this opportunity regardless of what
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I think or how I think I can utilize this information to
[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: manipulate it in my own, to my advantage.
[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not in that position, Kyle, unfortunately right now.
[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you really just should have taken that as a gift.
[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And like, okay, good.
[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's my little olive branch that Gabe is handing to me.
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And I will just happily take that.
[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And unfortunately he just didn't see that moment for what it
[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: truly was.
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, especially at this stage, like it's before the
[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_07]: challenge.
[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_07]: It's before anything.
[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Just say yes.
[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's the ghostbuster rule.
[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, if someone has to, if you want to be in
[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_07]: an alliance, you say yes.
[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_07]: You can always change it later.
[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_07]: You didn't have to like immediately turn around and
[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_07]: give everyone a lot of time to think about it.
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I think, you know who's in a similar situation now and I
[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_05]: know I'm going forward to like next episode, but Saul is
[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_05]: going to be in a similar situation now where he may be
[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: flying solo here, but I also see a path for him.
[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_05]: He has to kind of, we saw something in the preview,
[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: which seems like him and Romeo are just going to get into
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: it.
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's one of those where it's like, let Romeo be Romeo
[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and you go and stay back and try to say yes to
[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_05]: everything that people pitch you.
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_05]: But, but I do think there's path forward for both of them.
[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: If they play their situation and they're flexible,
[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_05]: you see what are the rules?
[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_07]: We'll see.
[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Meanwhile over at God, we saw a scene that had some
[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_07]: people up in arms from last week's preview because
[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_07]: the way it was cut, it looked like Annika was
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_07]: making the accusation about Sam and Sierra dating.
[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I saw a number of how dare she like tweets and
[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_07]: takes on the situation.
[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, come on people remember they frequently
[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_07]: take preview clips completely out of context to mess with us.
[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_07]: I even mentioned that in last week's podcast.
[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_07]: So just some advice to anyone out there who might be
[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_07]: doing this, just wait till you see the whole scene
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_07]: before you get upset, you know?
[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_07]: But anyway, so there were people who thought Sam and
[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Sierra were a couple, but they were on the other tribes
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_07]: and Annika defended their honor.
[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_07]: But here's the important thing.
[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_07]: This shows how obvious a duo they are.
[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my word, right?
[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, Annika set their relationship status
[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_07]: straight for the other tribes, but still so obvious a duo.
[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And when Annika told them, Sierra said it concerned her
[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_07]: because it could blow up their games and she's not sure
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_07]: where they were getting it from.
[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, Sierra, where they're getting it from is
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_07]: you're an obvious duo.
[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which is crazy because the amount of time that you would
[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: have to make those observations on them and like during
[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_04]: challenges seems very little.
[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Like to me, like I don't remember having a whole lot of
[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_04]: opportunity to really pay that much attention to the people
[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that were standing over there to try to determine who's a duo.
[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's very interesting that both tribes picked up on it.
[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Right, which tells you how obvious a duo they are.
[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, can we talk about Annika for a second here too?
[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Because she was annoying her tribe just like Romeo was doing
[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_05]: it the wrong way.
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_07]: You're a manager, but you're not a project manager.
[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Are you?
[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_07]: No.
[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Have I been a project manager in my life?
[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Not right now.
[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_05]: But I could see what she was doing.
[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Listen, when I saw it was happening between her and Sam
[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and they show Andy in the background kind of like smiling at
[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_05]: the situation.
[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: That was like his hair.
[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Fantastic.
[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That was great camera work right there.
[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: And I went, I went in and really like you start seeing that
[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and you're like, okay, they're bickering.
[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: They're kind of being childish about this whole situation.
[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm loving everything about it.
[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_05]: If I'm Andy, I would have been the same way.
[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you're growing in your little two cents just a little
[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: bit.
[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm not sure if it's going to help.
[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It truly is amazing.
[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, Jessica and I predicted her being a project manager.
[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_07]: It would be an issue and she's out there project manager.
[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: She really is.
[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And Sam is like calling her out on it that she just wants to
[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: be in charge of everything, which former or future
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: survivor players don't do that.
[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Just don't.
[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Although she was right about the cutting.
[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he was just hacking at it because he was mad.
[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_07]: You just slice it.
[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_07]: That probably works better.
[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's like, uh, but that was a good scene.
[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I really enjoy that.
[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And I must agree with her.
[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_04]: The bamboo is terrible.
[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I understand.
[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh it is.
[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_07]: But they also didn't do what you always suggest with every
[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_07]: survivor player says who sleeps on bamboo, which is
[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_07]: cut it lengthwise because that makes it better.
[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_07]: It's not good, but it makes it better.
[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And so the rotisserie turn, you have to just keep turning
[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_04]: your body because like all this hip hurts.
[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Now I have to flip over and then I have to flip again.
[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the rotisserie turn.
[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_07]: You also have to do that when you get to my age, just on a regular.
[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We put pump from right on top of it and cut some of the
[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: like the core in the middle because the pump from core is like,
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_05]: like the middle is really hard.
[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And that made it better.
[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So we slept in on bamboo in my original Tika tribe.
[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But then when we moved later, it's like,
[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_05]: it's so much more comfortable to sleep on the sand.
[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So we would just like break up the sand and then make a little
[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: hole and just sleep on the sand.
[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Did either of you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss
[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_07]: before we move on to the rules?
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, let me hook my nose.
[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Everything I was worried about.
[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we discussed.
[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that was one more.
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think we should start with the first episode.
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: So I first of all, for the first episode,
[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: they never mentioned shot in the dark, right?
[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And then all of a sudden it's like coming into the discussions.
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I was questioning if they're even doing it this year. Right.
[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But we saw how Andy was trying to take advantage of it with
[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Sierra. Like, oh, I'll give you my.
[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Shot in the dark.
[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And I am actually kind of surprised it worked because Sierra
[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_05]: started talking about how.
[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, maybe he is trustworthy and all of that.
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So I thought that was quite interesting for Andy and I like
[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_05]: the fact that we saw such a difficult first episode for him.
[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And all of a sudden you can see the progressions. Right.
[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Like he's not even like nobody's talking about him.
[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So the little things he's giving me,
[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really, really loving the fact that he's turning his
[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_05]: game around.
[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Well, of course, you know, he saw Emily do that.
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_07]: I think.
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know,
[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Sierra her big concern was he would panic and play it and they
[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_07]: wouldn't have his vote.
[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's even better currency when you can say, okay, here it is.
[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Now you don't have to worry about me panicking and playing.
[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_07]: So.
[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that the reason his name isn't being mentioned is
[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_07]: because.
[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm on a car and perhaps Rachel just assume he's going next and
[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_07]: that everybody agrees.
[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_07]: So they don't have to talk about it.
[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_07]: So.
[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey,
[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: they all have to those keep winning and maybe he'll make it
[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: all the way to the end and become into.
[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Well,
[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_07]: before we get to how Asia did.
[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_07]: We want to mention that the rules were about to discuss come
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_07]: in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster
[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_07]: form.
[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_07]: So go to Rob his website.
[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Com slash wax lost feed scroll down to the poster, click on
[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_07]: it, order it and our crack shipping department will get it out
[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_07]: to you as soon as they can.
[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_07]: So in addition,
[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_07]: you can get the poster on a t-shirt or you can get the
[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_07]: checklist on a t-shirt, which I am currently modeling beautifully
[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_07]: of course.
[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_05]: You're wearing.
[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about that at the same time.
[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I like the color that we're wearing.
[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_07]: So yes, there are a variety of colors.
[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, again, go to Rob his website.
[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Com slash y X lost feed for all of that.
[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, speaking of t-shirts.
[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Just saying I might just you got a rock.
[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: This one.
[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so good.
[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Rocks.
[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Rocks seem to be referenced a lot.
[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: They were referenced a lot last week.
[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I decided, you know what?
[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's about time.
[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I just own this as much as I can.
[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So yes, I got a rock.
[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_04]: However, I also won myself a t-shirt.
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_07]: What happened from Lindsay last week?
[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So thank you for proving me right that you were going to
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: play the idol for yourself because you are very interested
[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: in saving yourself.
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Something we'll talk about.
[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I have a feeling.
[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So I have a feeling we will, but I just wanted to put that out
[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: there.
[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I also want to teach her.
[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, Asia started off her interview with Mike Bloom by
[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_07]: saying, I just feel like it wasn't as simple as me not wanting
[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_07]: to turn on Saul.
[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_07]: And in her pregame interviews, she said, she knew you can't
[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_07]: come into survivor thinking you know and can control
[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_07]: everything.
[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And she had the self-awareness to realize that you could know a
[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_07]: lot and quote, still fall flat on your face.
[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And for that reason, she wanted to focus on social
[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_07]: relationships.
[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_07]: So that's what we'll look at.
[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_07]: How did she do in those social relationships?
[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Where did she have self-awareness?
[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Where was there not awareness of what other people were
[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_07]: going through?
[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Because at RJP, we know survivor and we know Asia.
[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_07]: And we know why Asia lost.
[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_07]: So the first and most important rule is to scheme and plot.
[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_07]: And of course, we know Asia knew this.
[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_07]: She made a tight bond with Saul right away out of the
[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_07]: gate and thought she had something with Teenie until it
[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_07]: became obvious that Teenie was connected at the hip to
[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Keshon, such that three duos had formed.
[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_07]: And unfortunately for her, one of those duos was Rome and
[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve, who absolutely would not give her the time
[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_07]: to think.
[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_07]: She recognized that in other situations, two duos might
[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_07]: come together to vote out one in the middle.
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_07]: But there was just no way Rome and Genevieve would do that.
[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_07]: As she told Mike Bloom, anytime she talked to Genevieve
[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_07]: in Rome about the situation, it was like, oh, I love
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Keshon.
[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I love Teenie.
[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_07]: We would never want to get rid of them.
[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_07]: So she had no choice but to go all in and try to win over
[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenie and Keshon.
[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Under other circumstances, that very well could have
[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_07]: worked.
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_07]: But Rome had something that she and Saul didn't have,
[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_07]: an idol and an advantage.
[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_07]: But that alone wasn't the kicker.
[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome did something that we said we thought was
[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_07]: crazy at the time.
[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_07]: He shared that information with Teenie and made
[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_07]: them feel basically like he considered them a second
[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_07]: number one.
[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't just that he had an idol and he was therefore
[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_07]: invincible the first vote because that still left
[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve open.
[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_07]: It was that he told Teenie all this information, made
[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_07]: them feel like he was going to keep them close.
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenie said all of this in a confessional at one
[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_07]: point.
[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia probably would have done the same thing in the
[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_07]: same circumstances, but she didn't have any
[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_07]: bargaining chips except her own loyalty.
[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia could say all the time that she was loyal, but
[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome was able to show it.
[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And this leads me to one more thing before I pause to
[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_07]: take a breath here, which is a bit of speculation on
[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_07]: my part.
[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I was rewatching the clip of Rome telling Teenie about
[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_07]: his vote steal advantage and Teenie then talking
[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_07]: about how he showed loyalty specifically to them.
[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I have to wonder if there was one thing left unsaid
[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_07]: because I mentioned a moment ago that Asia tried to
[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_07]: broach the subject of voting out Teenie or Kishan with
[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome and Genevieve and they rejected the idea.
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And I have to wonder if Rome or Genevieve passed
[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_07]: that along to Teenie and that's why Teenie, yeah
[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_07]: that's why Teenie emphasized how those two were
[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_07]: loyal specifically to Teenie and Kishan.
[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is why that conversation that
[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Teenie and Kishan had with Asia becomes so significant
[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: because the loyalty was really the biggest component.
[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I love the way that you phrased that David, that it
[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: wasn't just because he came with an idol and he
[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: came with an advantage.
[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He had for sure shown his loyalty to
[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Teenie and Kishan and that was what they were
[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to get out of Asia like we want to keep
[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: you here. We really do but we need to know that
[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: you're with us. So it wasn't like we want to know
[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: that she'll flip on Saul. It was they want to know
[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_04]: that you're loyal to us.
[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, because really in that moment if Asia
[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: understood that there really was no hope because
[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_04]: it was you three duos going on and that don't
[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_04]: let me forget I want to be able to talk a little
[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: bit about the effect of six players and the
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: moment it's no longer about the fact that you are
[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_04]: a duo with Saul. At that moment unfortunately
[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: you just have to be selfish. You have to be a
[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_04]: survivor player and you have to think about yourself
[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: in that moment and it's just unfortunate that
[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: that's where you're at but that was what was
[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_04]: happening right then and there. It really was
[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: prove your loyalty to us say to us what we
[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: need you to hear because that's all they were
[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_04]: seeking and that's what they were looking for
[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and unfortunately I really do I think it's great
[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_04]: that she phrased it that way David because that's
[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: really what it boiled down to is that loyalty
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_07]: component. Yeah and then Heidi after you
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_07]: you know chime in here I do want to get back
[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_07]: to what you said Jessica about prove your loyalty
[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_05]: to us so. Yeah, okay so I think this one
[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: and number three kind of go together for me
[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_05]: in the in this episode for Asia but in particular
[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_05]: on number one I think David said earlier
[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: when people come with ideas you sort of
[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_05]: just go with it you say yes, yes and I know
[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_05]: that she was trying to kind of poke at the
[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_05]: situation to see what they would say for her
[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_05]: idea but I don't think she was quite flexible
[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and I know I'm jumping between one and three
[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: here but I know but I truly think that she
[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_05]: had to go with the flow in that situation
[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and see what happens and I think her the
[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_05]: whole scheming and plot didn't work for her
[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_05]: on that one. One thing I mean maybe
[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: hindsight right knowing what happened now
[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_05]: she could have used that information back
[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_05]: to Rome and try to break that relationship
[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and try to gain some trust with Rome and go
[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: a different way because I'm pretty sure that
[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_05]: conversation they told her Rome has the idol
[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: right we don't know if he's going to play
[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_05]: for Genevieve or for himself so she could
[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: have used that information I know she may
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: be breaking the trust there for Kishan
[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and Tini but you know she had a little
[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_05]: bit of more to go there granted I don't
[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_05]: know how much time they have after that
[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and all of that but that conversation was
[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_05]: the pivotal moment of the whole episode.
[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah I think that the conversation based
[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_07]: on what we saw and could put together where
[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_07]: they confirmed that he has the idol
[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_07]: was pretty late in the game but here's
[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_07]: the thing so this gets back to what you
[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_07]: were saying Jessica about loyalty because
[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_07]: you know what we saw on TV was it seemed
[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_07]: like Tini and Kishan gave Asia the opportunity
[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_07]: to save herself by turning on Saul. Yeah
[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_07]: and we even saw Tini appearing to steer
[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome away from her by talking about
[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul being more likely to find an idol
[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_07]: but the logic of what they brought to
[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia did not make sense in her mind
[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_07]: as she was there and you know she noted
[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_07]: it in interviews they didn't need her
[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_07]: to vote out Saul so why even come to
[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_07]: her if you have four people why are you
[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_07]: telling me I have to vote out Saul
[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because they want to know your loyal
[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_07]: but loyal to who and that's where she comes in
[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_07]: it's a loyalty test where you don't know
[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_07]: the answer because if they know
[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_07]: that Saul is her tightest ally
[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and they say we want you to vote out
[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul and she says okay I'll vote out
[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul did you pass or fail the test
[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_07]: because she's thinking by doing that
[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_07]: you failed the test because you've proven
[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_07]: you would vote out your tightest ally
[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_07]: which how does that prove your loyal to them
[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_07]: it just proves you'll turn on them when
[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_07]: the time is right too. Well and I do
[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: say that's a very fair point and this
[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_04]: is what makes obviously plane survivors so
[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_04]: difficult right because you don't know
[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_04]: what everyone is thinking and exactly
[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_04]: know what everyone's plans are so this
[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: is one of those circumstances where and
[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Heidi was really getting to
[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_04]: this idea of you have more information
[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_04]: now right you have more information that
[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: you can utilize to play your game so if
[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_04]: you're going to sit there in that moment
[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and kind of talk through this with
[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Teenie and Kishan and and all the
[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_04]: parameters of this and you could actually
[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: say to them if you wanted to be
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and again this is us sitting on the couch
[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: watching and thinking these things
[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: through that you could say to yourself
[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and even say to them well he's very
[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_04]: close to me and so you're asking me to
[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_04]: be willing to vote out someone who's
[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: very close to me and I need to
[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: really understand why I have to do this
[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: considering if you really want to vote
[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: him out you've already got four you don't
[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: need me maybe that maybe if that's what
[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you're thinking and you're able to
[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_04]: formulate that thought at that moment
[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_04]: you could work through that conversation
[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and then maybe you have a follow-up
[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_04]: conversation with Saul did she go to
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul and say hey listen he does have
[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_04]: an idol and this is the
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: conversation I just had with Teenie and
[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Kishan what are we going to do about it
[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: but again I'm going to go back to the
[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_04]: this is the problem with the six person
[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: tribe you have six people
[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and two to two is a
[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_04]: terrible combination of
[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: groupings right when you're dealing
[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_04]: with a situation like this if you have
[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_04]: ten person tribe
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the possibilities are much
[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: more fluid there's a lot
[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a lot more wiggle room and things
[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_04]: that you can do when you are literally
[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: six people and it's two to
[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and two what the hell are you supposed to do
[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_04]: with that and I think that Asia really
[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: talked about that a lot in her
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: exit press is like she's
[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of stuck like what am I supposed to do
[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: these two don't want to work with me
[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: these two are together
[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and then this is my other half
[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and where does that leave me
[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: so I just I can't stand
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the six person tribe I just can't
[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and I know Heidi you were on a six person
[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: try was we understand it more so
[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I was on a ten person tribe
[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's a much better place to
[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_04]: start the game just yeah I
[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_05]: agree I think it's harder
[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_05]: but I mean the whole new era
[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_05]: everything is harder there
[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the production loves it
[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_05]: right because it just makes it so hard
[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and in order to survive
[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_07]: your is fun
[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_05]: you know for in order to survive
[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: the first few weeks
[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_05]: you have to be on point
[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_05]: like if you're in a situation where you
[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_05]: make a mistake it's very likely you could go home
[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_05]: because you have no way of escaping
[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_05]: that and I think
[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_05]: it just it's like really really difficult
[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: which is why I think wrong
[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like I'm here and he got
[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_05]: lucky because he got the idol and he got
[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_05]: the advantage but that may
[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_05]: not be the right strategy for the new
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: era because if you find yourself in that
[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_05]: situation you're probably going home he just
[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_05]: he's been lucky with the advantages and idols
[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and I mean
[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_07]: you said if you do something wrong you're going
[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_07]: sometimes you don't do it I mean
[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_07]: we can say
[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_07]: something is wrong having all the
[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_07]: information but in the moment
[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_07]: you may not know what's wrong you know
[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_07]: there's there's
[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_07]: for the Star Trek fans out there
[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_07]: every Star Trek
[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_07]: you know officer has to go
[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_07]: through a test called the Kobayashi
[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Maru test where there is no right
[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_07]: answer it's just you're
[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_07]: evaluated on how you handle yourself
[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_07]: in an unwinnable situation
[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_07]: and I feel like that's what I kept thinking
[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_07]: of as I was
[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_07]: you know rewatching
[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_07]: and looking at Asia's interviews and everything
[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_07]: is she doesn't know
[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_07]: what the right answer is it is
[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: right and that's fair yeah it is a test
[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_07]: where you don't know what the right answer is
[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_07]: because you know like she told Mike Bloom
[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_07]: if she had gone to
[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenier Kishan and told them to vote out the other
[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_07]: one of course they wouldn't have done that
[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_07]: so quote so why am I
[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_07]: being punished for not voting out Saul
[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_07]: you didn't need my vote
[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_07]: you could have voted out Saul if you wanted to vote out Saul
[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_07]: and she's right it was a loyalty
[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_07]: test with no right answers
[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_07]: she had to read minds to see what
[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_07]: they wanted her to say
[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_05]: well one more thing though
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Asia and I think
[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: in her exit interview she said
[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_05]: how she was pretty sure Rome
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_05]: had the idol even before
[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_05]: the conversation we heard
[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_05]: because he was looking
[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and all of a sudden he wasn't looking so I think
[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_05]: she said something like that in one of her exit
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_05]: interviews but it's so
[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_05]: if you're pretty sure that's the situation
[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel that's enough information
[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_05]: for you to strategize
[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: either with him or against him
[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_05]: right well with him wasn't happening
[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean we'll get to that more later
[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe that's one of the reasons she's
[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_05]: we're talking about her today
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_07]: well yeah but I mean no it wasn't with
[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_07]: it I mean she said she tried
[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_07]: and like I said earlier they were not
[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_07]: giving her the time of day
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_07]: and I think it goes
[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll have more to say about that in the fifth rule
[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_07]: okay and it may be
[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_07]: catch 22 we don't know which happened first
[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_07]: the social game or the strategic but
[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_07]: you know it's clear
[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_07]: from what she said in interviews
[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_07]: that she tried and he was
[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_07]: like stay away
[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know based
[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_07]: in part on the preview
[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_07]: you know that you talked about already
[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I could see him say stay away
[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't have to talk to you
[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_07]: we don't know that it went down like that exactly
[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_07]: now another thing
[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_07]: that we didn't see but which Asia told Mike
[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Bloom about was that Kishan
[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_07]: told her the day of tribal council
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_07]: that he believed if they got to four
[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_07]: and then had to go to three
[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_07]: she would stand by Saul and Tini
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_07]: and vote him out now one I don't know
[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_07]: why he told her this but two
[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_07]: she wondered why he would think that far
[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_07]: ahead I have to say
[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't blame him for trying
[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_07]: to figure that out
[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_07]: you know yes
[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_07]: think ahead you know if that's what he's
[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_07]: thinking think the worst case like okay
[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_07]: what's gonna happen is a decision I make now
[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_07]: going to screw me over to from
[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_07]: now and I mean he is
[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_07]: an ER doctor so
[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_07]: you know I'm sure part of his training is well wait
[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_07]: if I clamp this off
[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_07]: what's that going to do to this other
[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_07]: thing that's going on here
[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_07]: you know and
[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_07]: you know as engineers Heidi
[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_07]: can attest to this you can't just change
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_07]: one thing you have to think about okay
[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_07]: if you change this
[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_07]: what's going to happen over here so
[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_07]: it does make sense
[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_07]: to think steps ahead if you
[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_07]: can't
[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_07]: but what I don't understand is why he thought
[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_07]: he'd be better off with Roman Genevieve
[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_07]: because
[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_07]: if Rome is sharing the information with
[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Tini and Genevieve
[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_07]: is Rome's other number one
[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_07]: he's still going out
[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_07]: if they get down to four
[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_07]: and they have to go to three
[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_07]: so I don't know why he thinks he's any better off
[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_07]: that way
[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: well one more thing
[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_05]: with Asia
[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Seoul
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Tini
[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: and Kishan there's four of them right
[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_05]: if you talk strategy
[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: amongst yourself and you're like
[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: okay
[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: he has an idol whether he plays it for himself
[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: or Genevieve right and possibly
[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: you don't know if he has an advantage but you kind of
[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: assume okay maybe he got an advantage
[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: which I don't know what it is so I'm going to be cautious
[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_05]: but he told the advantage to
[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Tini and Kishan
[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: right so at least Tini
[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_05]: right so now you're like
[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_05]: let's do three on one
[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: oh yeah I mean
[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_05]: you still have the numbers I feel like she could
[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: have convinced them like guys
[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: you have to understand that Rome
[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_05]: has so much power in this game right now
[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_05]: above all of us
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: we should totally
[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_05]: try to break him up now
[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and I feel like that it didn't seem
[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_05]: like she tried that much with the numbers
[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean we didn't see it because
[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_07]: it didn't matter but she you know
[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_07]: she said she tried and I have no doubt that she did
[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_07]: what instead she heard
[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_07]: was Tini and Kishan said well after they vote out
[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul then it will be the three of them
[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_07]: against Rome and Genevieve
[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_07]: but again this was another place the logic didn't
[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_07]: make sense to her why not just do what you're saying
[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_07]: and turn on them now
[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah because then you have a harder time with the numbers
[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: three and then splitting it just won't work
[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_07]: and again we won't you know
[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_07]: in another case of mind reading in this case
[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_07]: us we won't know what was truly going through their minds
[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_07]: until they're out of the game one way
[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_07]: or another but like you said Heidi
[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_07]: from Asia's perspective also
[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_07]: it was perplexing
[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_07]: why won't you do this they gave excuses
[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_07]: some of which
[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll get to later but they gave like
[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_07]: well he might play
[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_07]: the idol on Genevieve
[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_07]: he might use his vote steal advantage
[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_07]: he might he might he might
[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_07]: but in the end
[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_07]: there's still four people right yeah there was
[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_07]: enough to do it
[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_07]: right if they had wanted to
[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_07]: which leads me
[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_07]: to believe they didn't want to for reasons
[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_07]: that we'll get to in a little while
[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_07]: now
[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_07]: with all that said
[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_07]: and despite everything Asia talked about
[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_07]: in her interviews
[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_07]: there is as Jessica brought up
[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_07]: the school of thought and I think you too Heidi
[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_07]: that says forget about the future
[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_07]: agree to vote out Saul
[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_07]: so you could make it one more vote
[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_07]: right and then Rome won't have his idol anymore
[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_07]: and Asia could keep working on seeing what happens next time
[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_07]: and
[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_07]: we often give this advice
[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_07]: get through one more day and see what happens
[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_07]: from her standpoint
[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_07]: she was also right they didn't need her vote
[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_07]: why would they flip back again
[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_07]: what would you know if they if they didn't
[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_07]: need her this time
[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_07]: why would they suddenly flip back to her
[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_07]: now it could be oh he doesn't have an idol
[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_07]: in this game you both know you have to make
[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_07]: a decision and go with it Asia felt it was
[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_07]: better to try to
[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_07]: show she was loyal to
[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul and Tina and Kishan and she wanted
[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_07]: to stay with them
[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_07]: that's not what they wanted to hear as
[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_07]: far as we can tell
[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_05]: sure yeah
[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_05]: but then why would she vote for
[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Genevieve and Saul voted for Rome
[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_05]: like because they had a plan
[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_07]: before going into tribal council
[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Tina and Kishan told her okay
[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_07]: we agree with you we'll do a 3-1
[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: split no that's a little too late for me
[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_07]: well it's a little too late they lied to her
[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean they lied to her face as we happened at that point
[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_07]: it's like oh yeah we
[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_05]: we agreed to what we talked
[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_05]: five hours ago
[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I remember there was nothing else
[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_07]: you know at that point
[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_07]: now I think from
[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_07]: what we saw Asia
[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_07]: misread the intentions of Tina in particular
[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_07]: I cannot think of
[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_07]: a reason why Tina would have been pushing
[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome towards Saul and away from Asia
[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_07]: except to keep her safe
[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_07]: but Asia can only act with the information
[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_07]: she had she didn't get to see what we
[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_07]: saw she didn't know
[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean she knew Tina said
[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I will try to protect you but she didn't know
[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_07]: that Tina actually went out there and did it
[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_07]: right um and then another
[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_07]: issue with only having partial information
[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_07]: takes me back to something I
[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_07]: talked about at the beginning of this rule
[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia
[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_07]: had said something about Rome being
[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_07]: so close to Genevieve
[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_07]: and that they were an obvious duo
[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_07]: but if we look at it from
[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Tina's perspective
[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome was telling Tina
[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_07]: everything
[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_07]: so maybe the Rome
[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve duo wasn't as clear
[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_07]: cut a situation to Tina
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe Tina felt closer to
[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome and thought they were
[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_07]: in a good centralized position
[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_07]: and maybe they are
[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_07]: you know this also plays into
[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_07]: something else Asia told Mike Bloom
[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_07]: that she couldn't wrap her head around why
[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_07]: they were siding with Rome and figuring
[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_07]: that the advantages were not enough
[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_07]: of a reason and I think Asia was
[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_07]: partially right the advantages
[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_07]: themselves were not enough
[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_07]: but the feeling that Tina may
[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_07]: have gotten out of being included
[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_07]: out of being Rome's
[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_07]: other number one
[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_07]: to steal from a couple seasons
[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_07]: ago um I
[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_07]: think that might have been I think
[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_07]: that what Tina was
[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_07]: thinking there is
[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm in a perfect spot
[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_04]: well right and you also have to look at
[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the permutations for
[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Tina in that situation
[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_04]: right because she knows that she has
[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Kishan and she knows that she has
[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome and then if she knows that
[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome has Genevieve
[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_04]: then I mean yes there is
[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_04]: this Asia's all
[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: possibility over here too
[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_04]: but like she really has
[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: all of the control as to where
[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the votes are going to potentially
[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_04]: land and if you and
[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_04]: she said it herself I have to
[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_04]: make a decision that is going to upset
[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_04]: the least amount of people
[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and so in her world
[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_04]: view she's
[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_07]: and then she made a decision that upset
[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_07]: all of the RHAP universe
[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: well right so she upset a lot of people
[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_04]: just not on the island
[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: but so it is one of those situations
[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_04]: where if you look
[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_04]: at okay so let's say
[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I do go after Genevieve and I keep
[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Asia and we keep
[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul and I have Kishan
[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_04]: now you've upset Rome
[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and what does Rome have
[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome does have a
[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_04]: steal a vote so there is
[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_04]: some thing that he could
[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: potentially do next time which I mean
[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_04]: he's only on his own
[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_04]: so how much damage can he actually cause
[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_04]: so she's got to weigh
[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_04]: all of these options and in her
[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_04]: mind she might just be thinking well
[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_04]: if I do this I will upset
[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul he is only one
[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_04]: person and he doesn't have anything
[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that he can utilize against me
[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_04]: he just we could potentially
[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: vote him out if we need to
[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_04]: so it's that cost benefit analysis
[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: like where am I going to end up
[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and in the end I can still have four people
[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_04]: who can work together
[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_04]: cohesively and who get along and it's fine
[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I have one that might be upset
[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_04]: but can't really cause any damage unless he finds something
[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and so I think
[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_04]: that that's probably part of what weighed
[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_04]: heavy for her
[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_04]: is what's going to be best for her game
[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_04]: in the end because that's what everybody needs
[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_04]: to do when they go out there they have to figure out
[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_04]: what works best for them
[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_07]: hmm
[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_07]: hmm all right
[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_07]: well that was a lot on rule one
[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_05]: we're only at one
[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_07]: we took dips into a few other places
[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_07]: but you know
[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_07]: we'll move on to rule two which I think
[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_07]: will be much shorter because it says
[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_07]: not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your
[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_07]: scheming secret now under normal circumstances
[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_07]: one issue we would discuss here is
[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_07]: that Asia was in an obvious duo with Saul
[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_07]: but the thing is
[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_07]: everyone on that tribe was in an obvious duo
[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_07]: right
[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_07]: so with that said it's still a bad idea
[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_07]: to make it so obvious even if everyone else
[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_07]: is
[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just not sure
[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_07]: what more could have been done here
[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe tried to glue herself to
[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Tini and Kishanmar but
[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_07]: that would have meant abandoning her closest allies
[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_07]: so it was not exactly
[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_07]: it goes back to what you said Jessica
[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_07]: it's the six it's not a tenable
[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_07]: situation for following this
[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_07]: part of the rule for any of them
[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean when you see it happening
[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_07]: in multiple different tribes
[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_07]: even though they probably know they shouldn't
[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_07]: you know
[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean the initial
[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_07]: opening of the first tribe that went to tribal council
[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_07]: was two and two
[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_07]: right and so
[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_07]: it's just
[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_07]: it just keeps happening that way
[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_04]: well and I do think that it happens even in those
[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_04]: bigger tribes because
[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_04]: of course there's going to be like one person
[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_04]: that you gravitate towards
[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_04]: but that one person
[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and you gravitating towards each other
[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: then you can gravitate towards another two
[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and now you have four
[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you can gravitate towards another two
[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you can have six
[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and so everyone I feel like
[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_04]: is going to have that other half
[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that they feel closest to
[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_04]: but when you only have
[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_04]: six to play around with
[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and to work with the permutations are so much
[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_04]: less possible
[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and then just
[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the math is just not mathin well
[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_05]: well I think the secret sauce
[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_05]: behind the six is finding yourself
[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_05]: in the middle
[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_05]: being the couple
[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_05]: or the group
[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_05]: because it could be more than two
[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_05]: the group to be in the middle
[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_05]: where you are making the decision so you're not an outlier
[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and by her
[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_05]: not going with the plan with Tini
[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_05]: and Kishan
[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_05]: it put her as an outlier
[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_05]: rather than in the middle
[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_05]: so I think that the secret sauce
[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_05]: really behind the six
[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_05]: is never being an outlier
[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_05]: be in the middle or with the majority in the middle
[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_05]: right and that's what happened to her
[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_05]: in my opinion
[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_07]: but from her perspective Tini and Kishan
[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_07]: were the ones in the middle
[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_07]: yes yes
[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_07]: you had Roman Genevieve out here
[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_07]: and her and Saul over here
[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_07]: she had a golden opportunity
[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_05]: where the middle came to her
[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_05]: like go with us
[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and vote against your guy
[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_05]: and she chose not to go with the middle
[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_05]: so that was the problem there
[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_07]: was it a golden opportunity
[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_07]: or was it
[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_07]: just an opportunity to get screwed later
[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_07]: you know and that's where
[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_07]: you know she was trying
[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_04]: in this game it doesn't matter if there's no later
[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_04]: you gotta get to later right
[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: right yes yes
[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_07]: now of course
[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_07]: there is the issue that we discussed in
[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_07]: rule one which is that
[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe the duos
[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_07]: were not as obviously
[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_07]: split if
[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Tini felt like Rome was including
[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_07]: them in his secrets
[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_07]: so maybe it's not quite
[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_07]: a two-two-two situation
[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_07]: as you know
[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia and Saul were thinking it was
[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_07]: you know there's
[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_07]: more of a fuzzy line I think
[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_07]: between the
[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome Tini
[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_07]: group there
[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I really need to see more Genevieve
[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_05]: give me more so I can understand
[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_05]: if she's close to Rome
[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Genevieve is that her name?
[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_01]: yes
[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Genevieve
[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_05]: we haven't heard much from her
[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and I actually think it will kind of
[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_05]: fill in the puzzle that we're trying to figure out
[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_05]: is she really close to Rome
[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_05]: or is like
[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_07]: what we know
[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_05]: no it was happening
[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_07]: what we know there was a secret scene
[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_07]: where
[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_07]: where
[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul tried to warn
[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome this was from episode one
[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_07]: that hey people are
[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_07]: worried about you
[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_07]: running off and looking for idols
[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_07]: and this was Saul trying to be nice to
[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome took it completely the wrong way
[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_07]: and was like
[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul is coming after me and who did he go
[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_07]: complain about that to Genevieve
[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_06]: and so
[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_07]: you know that those two are close
[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_07]: interesting
[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_07]: you hear Asia talk about them as a duo
[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_07]: and
[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_07]: when he got his
[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_07]: advantage he told Tini
[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_07]: and we saw him telling Genevieve
[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_07]: now Tini was the one who explained it all
[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve got like two seconds of screen time
[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I saw someone say
[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_07]: we saw more of Genevieve sitting on the sitout bench
[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_07]: during the challenge than we did any other time
[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah
[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_07]: so
[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean she seems to be a loyal number
[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and I do feel like
[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_04]: what we haven't seen but is likely
[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_04]: probably happening just what we're able
[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_04]: to put together with
[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome and his personality
[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_04]: she is probably someone who
[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_04]: is like
[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_04]: stroking his ego and that's why he's
[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_04]: willing to share with her because
[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_04]: she's very supportive of
[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_04]: everything Rome related
[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_04]: which is why he's likely
[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_04]: to complain about her when nobody jumps out of the ocean
[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: to go start the fire when he's catching the fish
[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah he complains to her
[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and she's probably
[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_04]: just being very receptive
[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_04]: to him and being very
[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_04]: like oh I know Rome I see it too
[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's terrible and that's all he needs
[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_04]: in order for
[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_04]: his ego to them you're like
[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_04]: okay Genevieve is
[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_04]: with me
[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and if that's what she's doing and it's a game move
[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_04]: kudos to her for figuring it out
[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_05]: that's exactly what I want
[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like if I was there
[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_05]: that's probably what I would be doing with him
[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_05]: even if he's annoying me
[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_05]: incredible and I'm hating
[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_05]: everything about the situation
[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_05]: you better believe I'm gonna give him a little bit of a yeah
[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_05]: of course
[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like you had a situation
[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_07]: similar to that with
[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I did
[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and I've worked with that
[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_05]: and that's probably why I survived
[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_05]: about everyone in my tribe
[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's like it's okay if you're
[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: you just gotta play
[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_05]: to that like make them think it's his idea
[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_05]: does he have an ego oh you're
[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_05]: amazing of course go for it
[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_05]: oh you're gonna catch 10 more
[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_05]: fish you're gonna make fire
[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll make the fire for you listen that's the kind of thing
[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_05]: you have to do in this game to kind of
[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_05]: be allies
[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_05]: so anyway you're saying
[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_07]: that we think Genevieve is a loyal
[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_07]: member of the Roman Empire
[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen much I don't
[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_05]: know if that's what's happening or not
[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_05]: but if I was Asia that's probably what I would have done
[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_05]: instead of being annoyed
[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: and just like you know kind of look like I'm annoyed
[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I probably would have been like
[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_05]: oh yeah you're throwing a fish at my back
[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_05]: just I would have been like
[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_05]: oh I think by that point it was
[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_07]: it was way too late
[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_07]: by that point
[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_07]: based on what Rome himself was saying
[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_07]: but we'll get into that in a couple
[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_07]: war rule first let's go to the third rule
[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_07]: here which says to be more flexible
[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_07]: and as soon as Asia was voted out
[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_07]: this was the rule that immediately
[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_07]: popped into everyone's minds the most
[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_07]: as I can attest from the messages
[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_07]: and tweets I got from listeners
[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_07]: and I do appreciate it
[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I was thinking the same thing based on what we saw
[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_07]: but we have to remember
[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_07]: what we see is often an oversimplified version
[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_07]: of what actually happened
[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_07]: that's kind of part of the reason we're here
[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I had a feeling
[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia wasn't just going to
[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_07]: sit there and obstinately refuse
[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_07]: to vote out Saul
[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_07]: so I was you know waiting for interviews
[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_07]: and as we heard there was indeed
[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_07]: more to it now I'm sure
[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_07]: some people will still think she reacted by refusing
[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_07]: or the way she reacted by refusing was wrong and inflexible
[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_04]: hmm
[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_07]: but she was doing it for a reason
[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_07]: as we discussed in the first rule
[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_07]: the problem was
[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_07]: it's not just viewers who might be thinking
[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_07]: she was just being obstinate
[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_07]: but potentially Tini and Kishan
[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_07]: as well
[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_07]: because Kishan even said on the show
[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia keeps discounting any other options
[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_07]: that's really hard to work with going forward
[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_07]: and Tini said
[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_07]: if Asia won't work with me and vote out Saul
[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_07]: is it worth keeping her in this game
[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_07]: but from Asia's point of view
[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_07]: it was
[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Kishan and Tini who were strangely
[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_07]: discounting the other option of voting out
[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve
[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_07]: the same thing you were talking about Heidi
[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_07]: she even told Dalton Ross that she said to them
[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I hear you but let's explore these options
[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_07]: hmm
[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_07]: and they each had their own viewpoints
[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_07]: and they could not get them to come together
[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia
[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_07]: or as I said earlier I think that
[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_07]: it came down
[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_07]: to information Asia didn't know
[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_07]: in terms of
[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_07]: what Tini in particular was thinking
[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_07]: about the situation
[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_07]: and also in relation to how
[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia viewed
[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_07]: what they were asking her to do compared to
[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_07]: how Tini and Kishan
[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_07]: viewed it
[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_07]: they're like well why can't you just do this one thing
[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_07]: and she's like
[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_07]: well because you're asking
[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_07]: then you'll just say this
[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_07]: is this a trick question
[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_07]: so
[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm wondering if it would have been beneficial
[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_04]: to her to try to have
[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_04]: a separate conversation with Tini
[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: alone
[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't know if she attempted to do that
[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_04]: just to try
[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_04]: to get a better read or understanding
[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_04]: as to what
[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_04]: the goal was
[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if it would have made a difference
[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_04]: or not in her interpretation as to what was going on
[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and whether or not
[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Tini would have changed the way that it was
[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_04]: being explained to her
[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_04]: but I am curious if that would have
[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_04]: caused any different
[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_04]: ideas swirling through her head at that time
[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_05]: but talking about
[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_05]: flexibility though
[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_05]: if they come we didn't see
[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_05]: what you just mentioned
[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_05]: that Asia mentioned in her
[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_05]: exit interviews right so I can only go by
[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_05]: what we saw
[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_05]: so it's very interesting because
[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_05]: there's two
[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_05]: you gotta play the numbers there's two people telling
[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_05]: you to do this and there's you
[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_05]: one person kind of saying well
[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_05]: can we do this
[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and it looked like they weren't agreeing
[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_05]: in the conversation we saw
[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_05]: so I feel like if you're gonna be flexible
[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_05]: you go with the two
[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_05]: because now there's three people there right
[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_05]: so it just maybe there were
[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_05]: more conversations that we didn't see
[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_05]: well right but clearly it was
[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_05]: two versus one in that moment
[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_07]: what we saw right I mean from what
[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_07]: she said in her interviews you know they left
[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_07]: that conversation with them saying well
[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_07]: we'll think about it
[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_07]: and then like I said they came back to her
[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_07]: later and said okay we'll go with your plan
[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_07]: which was an absolute lie
[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_07]: but you know
[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what else you can do when
[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_07]: someone you know you presented to them
[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_07]: and they're like well we'll think about it
[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_07]: but in the meantime they're like we're not gonna think about
[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_07]: it we were just gonna go against her at this
[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_07]: point
[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and yet she
[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: bothers me never leave a conversation
[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll think about it because that's a no
[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_07]: well but I don't yeah I you're right
[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_07]: but I don't know that
[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_07]: she was making any progress at that point
[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_07]: you know and yes we discussed
[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_07]: earlier she could have given up and just said
[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_07]: fine I'll be flexible and give up
[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I won solid ally
[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_07]: and in some situations
[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I would absolutely say she should have
[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_07]: in this case
[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_07]: if we look at it from the outside
[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_07]: and we presume that Tini and Kishan
[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_07]: were not actually trying to trick her
[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_07]: such that they weren't
[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_07]: doing the loyalty test that she was thinking of
[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_07]: then yes
[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_07]: from that perspective she absolutely
[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_07]: should have agreed like you said Heidi to go
[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_07]: and just vote him out
[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_07]: but as we've talked about today and many times
[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_07]: before it's a game of
[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_07]: incomplete information
[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_07]: she did not know what we knew
[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_07]: she did not know what they were trying to get at
[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_07]: she you know
[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_07]: especially with the words of
[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Kishan ringing in her ears about
[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I think you're a threat to me when we get to
[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_07]: four well and now they say
[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_07]: to her we want you to
[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_07]: get rid of your closest person it's like
[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_07]: well wait he said I was a threat
[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_07]: but now he's telling me
[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I should get rid of my closest
[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_07]: person it you know just yeah
[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll give you an example though like Kyle
[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: went to Sue and
[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Sue was like oh I don't want to think
[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: negative like it wasn't a yes right
[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: to me that's a clear like okay she's
[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_05]: not going with this yeah so
[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: same thing with Asia like
[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: oh can we oh we'll think about it
[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: to me that's a no also right
[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_05]: so those are the cues you gotta pick up
[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: but they don't say yes it's very unlikely
[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: they'll back it up
[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and also like to what
[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: benefit is it to Kishan
[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and Teenie to be testing
[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_04]: her loyalty at this point
[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: in the game where they're coming to her and
[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: saying this is who we're considering voting out
[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I think in most situations as you've already
[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: indicated Bloomberg we would
[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: say the ghostbuster rule right
[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you say yes you go along with it because you
[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: realize and this is what the majority is doing
[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think in that moment that
[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: there was any reason
[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: for them to be coming
[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: to her with this information other than
[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: we want to work with you
[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: so we're telling you where the votes going to fall
[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and so we just want to make sure you're going to be
[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: going along with us and she
[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: might have read too much into it
[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: as far as well if they're
[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: asking me to vote out my
[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: closest ally then
[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: where does that put me and
[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like in that moment
[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: you're this early in the game and yes
[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I know you've got loyalty to Saul but at the
[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: same time there's
[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: literally no benefit for Teenie
[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and Kishan in that moment
[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: to be testing loyalties because
[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: they have the numbers so there is
[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: there's zero reason for them
[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_07]: to be doing that but from that same
[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_07]: standpoint as she was saying
[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_07]: they have the numbers so why are they telling me how to vote
[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_07]: it reminds me of big brother
[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_07]: where big brother often
[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_07]: in these cases they'll be like
[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_07]: you know people will be like oh
[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I need to know how the house is voting
[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_07]: so I can go on the same side
[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_07]: it's meaningless you know if
[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_07]: you know so who cares
[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_07]: how you vote if it's a majority
[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: right but it's also somewhat
[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_04]: polite if you think about it because
[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: what happens when you're about to go
[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: when you're discussing voting
[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: right Hedy when everyone is talking about who's going
[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: home there are discussions
[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: being had regardless of how many people are
[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: saying they're voting for this person like oh
[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: if six people if you happen to have a big tribe
[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and six people are all saying they're voting this way
[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe you don't need six but six have said
[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: they're going to so if you want to work
[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: with Asia
[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: it's better for you to go to Asia
[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and say Asia tell her what we're doing
[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: we want to work with you because if you
[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: keep her out then she's going to be like
[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: what the hell guys why didn't you tell me
[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_07]: but the thing is you can tell her
[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_07]: without trying to push her to vote the same way
[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_07]: you can say Asia
[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_07]: we just want to let you know
[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_07]: we are voting out Saul
[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_07]: okay we're doing we're telling you
[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_07]: out of politeness we want to work
[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_07]: with you we're just letting
[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_07]: you know but they weren't just doing that
[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_07]: they were pushing her to vote
[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_07]: out Saul
[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: and that I think is
[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_07]: probably a lot of what triggered her
[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_07]: because you know she said it multiple
[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_07]: times in all her interviews
[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_07]: why are you telling me I have
[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_07]: to vote the same way as you
[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_04]: well right but I feel like we can
[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry I'm just I'm really going to lean in
[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: on this one because I do feel I do
[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: feel like again it come
[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_04]: back to the politeness factor because they're trying
[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: to also say well we want to have a discussion
[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: with you about this this is what we're thinking
[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_04]: we're thinking about voting out Saul this is where
[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: so let's talk about this
[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and and her response
[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_04]: was well I think we should vote out Genevieve
[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and I do think that there was
[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: some pushback where she's like what about
[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_04]: this idea and I don't know
[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: if they just expected her to just immediately
[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: roll over and go whatever you guys want to do is
[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: fine but at the same time
[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think that they were
[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: instead of just because we've said this before right
[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: when someone comes up to another player
[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and says this is what we're doing
[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: regardless of what you say
[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: it's like not dating right and then that
[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: person's pissed off because they're like oh I don't
[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: even get I don't even get an option I don't
[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: exactly just telling me what to do
[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: so instead they're like hey
[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: we want to talk through this with you we want
[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: to let you know we're thinking and then
[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: she says well this is what I think
[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: but
[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm willing to do whatever the majority wants
[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: to do right kind of like where
[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_04]: things didn't
[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_04]: settle
[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: this is what I want versus
[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: what you want which then puts them
[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: on the outs with her because they're like well she doesn't
[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: really want to like play ball with them
[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and so
[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it's everyone's kind of interpreting
[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: things differently but I do feel like T
[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and Kishan we're going to her to say
[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: listen we want to work with
[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: you we want to see where your head is at
[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: this is what we're considering doing what are your
[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: thoughts because they probably also know that
[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: she and Rome are not getting along so
[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: there's something else they have to be cognizant
[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: of so there's a whole lot of things
[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: that play here and I
[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: do think that it is obviously
[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_04]: interpretation and what people
[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: are taking from it but there is
[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: something to be said about
[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: every other rule we've ever referenced
[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: as far as you know players are concerned
[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: like when they come to you and go this is how we're voting
[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're just supposed to go
[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: okay and then but
[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: no you know so I just feel like this was
[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: they were trying to be polite they were kind of
[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to talk through it I don't feel like they were
[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: necessarily testing her it was more like
[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_07]: oh I I don't think
[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_07]: they were testing her I do
[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_07]: think Asia thought they were testing her
[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: right very possible yeah you
[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_07]: know that's you know based on what she
[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_07]: said and and her actions to
[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_07]: it um
[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_07]: you know should she have felt that way
[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_07]: it depends on the other conversations
[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_07]: they had and rule number four
[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah
[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_07]: well and yeah
[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_07]: we are moving into rule number four
[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah because you're getting to the emotions
[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_07]: part of it right right it tells
[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_07]: players not to let their emotions control them
[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_07]: and I'm sure you know a lot
[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_07]: of people watching it felt like Asia was
[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_07]: violating this rule by insisting on keeping
[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul to some
[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_07]: extent I think we've addressed that I don't think
[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_07]: she was so emotionally
[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_07]: attached to Saul
[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I think she was
[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_07]: strategically attached to
[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul I think that
[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_07]: she had a wrong
[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_07]: read based on the objective information
[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_07]: that we know I don't think
[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_07]: it was like I am such
[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_07]: close friends with Saul after seven days
[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_07]: that I can't let him go
[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_07]: you know it was a strategic
[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_07]: decision
[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_07]: but aside from that Heidi
[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_07]: how do you think she did with this rule
[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: with number three or number four number four
[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_05]: four I this
[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: is this is very related to
[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_05]: number three right where
[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_05]: she clearly is
[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_05]: okay my allies this guy I'm going for it
[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_05]: and then maybe what you said there's
[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of truth in that
[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_05]: where she was probably
[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_05]: feeling they were testing her which it gets
[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: into that emotion rather than
[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_05]: seeing it logically from the numbers
[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: perspective right because
[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: now it's like okay it's
[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Saul is one and then I have two people
[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_05]: in front of me saying we're gonna go
[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_05]: for Saul do I go with the one
[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_05]: with me it's only two
[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: and I'll go with the two and now we have three
[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_05]: which is essentially a majority
[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she played
[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: all of that situation in that
[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_05]: conversation was very
[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: much emotional the other thing
[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: that I was gonna say with emotions is
[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe related to something we said
[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: earlier about the ego from
[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Rome you cannot tell
[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_05]: that she's not jiving
[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_05]: with Rome right for
[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_05]: you to not jive with someone
[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_05]: in your tribe
[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: especially when there's only six people
[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_05]: well five plus you
[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that talks
[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: to the emotions you cannot let
[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_05]: people get to you like you cannot be mad
[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you have to be almost
[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_05]: kumbajat with everyone
[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_05]: in order to make people understand
[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not against you I can play with you
[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: right because if she's
[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_05]: showing that emotion to Rome
[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_05]: by no means is gonna want to come to you
[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: so you want to be like
[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_05]: friendly with everyone happy
[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: best friends with everyone
[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: so then now you have options
[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: around your game and I truly think
[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_05]: just by seeing that she was very much
[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: annoyed with Rome and they were
[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_05]: in different sides of the
[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: tribe or the decisions that
[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_05]: to me talks about not controlling you in
[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_05]: emotions during the first week in this game
[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I will let's put a pin in that
[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_07]: till the fifth rule because we actually have
[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_07]: information that we don't normally
[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_07]: have with the player
[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_07]: we have with Asia when it comes to that part
[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_07]: so
[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_07]: but I do think
[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_07]: she tried to put aside her emotions
[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_07]: and work with whoever she could
[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_07]: we know how she felt
[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_07]: about Rome and Genevieve but
[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_07]: she said in interviews that
[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_07]: she tried talking to them about putting
[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_07]: aside their differences and working together
[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_07]: but from what
[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_07]: she said they wouldn't consider it
[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what more she could have done
[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_07]: in terms of this rule
[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I
[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to disagree with you Heidi
[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think it was an emotional decision
[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it was a strategic one
[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_07]: doesn't mean it was the right strategic one
[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_07]: it wasn't because she won
[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: but
[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think it was emotions
[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_07]: getting to her I think it was
[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_07]: her logic did not
[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_07]: jive up with the situation
[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: gotcha we can agree
[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: to disagree on that but I think like
[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a little bit of emotion
[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_05]: it's so hard to not play with emotions
[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: because you're a human being
[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you sleep with these people you're like
[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: 24-7 with them but what I
[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_05]: saw with the little fish thing and all of that
[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: to me it's like
[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: to me that was like you know
[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: that you have an enemy right there
[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: you should never get to that until
[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe much later so
[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_07]: let's go in Jessica unless you have something for the fourth rule
[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: no I think this will
[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: go nicely into the fifth rule
[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: because I can see
[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the overlap here with what Heidi is talking about
[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: in regards to
[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: the social component of the game because
[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think that
[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: it is a very hard
[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: thing to do when
[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: you are put in a situation like this where
[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: here's someone I don't know anything about
[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm just meeting these individuals for the first time
[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and I have to put on
[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: my best face and I have to be
[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the nicest kindest person possible
[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and this person over here is not
[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: doing that this person is just being
[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot as
[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and everyone was talking about Rome being
[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot and
[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think that
[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: is something that other survivor
[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: players can use to their advantage
[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_04]: let that person be a lot
[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: let that person have an ego
[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: stroke that person's ego
[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and play the social game even though
[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: you're like dying on the inside
[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: because you're like all of them
[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_07]: right and as we get to the fifth rule
[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_07]: which reminds players they need to pretend to
[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_07]: be nice and play the game
[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia said coming into the game
[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_07]: she wanted to use her personality
[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_07]: to connect with many kinds of people
[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_07]: and plan to form relationships to make sure
[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_07]: that people genuinely
[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_07]: liked her without thinking it's strategy
[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_07]: but like you said Jessica
[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_07]: the situation on this tribe
[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_07]: was interesting
[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_07]: because I do think
[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia was doing
[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_07]: the right things to be in the
[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_07]: social majority
[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_07]: we saw her
[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_07]: hanging out with Saul, Tini and Kishan
[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_07]: in the water all of them
[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_07]: talking crap about Rome
[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome getting mad about all of them
[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_07]: you know she told Dalton
[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Ross she felt she got to know Tini
[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_07]: and Kishan well and was building
[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_07]: personal relationships with them to the point
[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_07]: that she was all in on the four
[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_07]: she told Mike Bloom when
[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome was gone on his journey do you know how much
[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_07]: we got done at camp we were moving
[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_07]: we were cooking we were being productive
[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_07]: we built a swing we were having a great time
[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_07]: laughs giggles vibes were
[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_07]: great when this man was not at camp
[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_07]: now under
[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_07]: many circumstances maybe most
[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_07]: circumstances a group
[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_07]: that was together socially
[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_07]: like this would also be
[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_07]: together strategically
[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_07]: it just happens naturally
[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_07]: and I suspect Asia was thinking the same thing
[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_07]: because it makes
[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_07]: sense right usually
[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_07]: but the thing is
[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_07]: that the rule we just discussed
[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_07]: says players shouldn't
[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_07]: let their emotions control them and that applies
[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_07]: to everybody not just Asia
[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_07]: but all the other ones so as much
[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_07]: as much as Tini and Kishan
[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_07]: might have gotten along with
[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia and Saul better than Rome
[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_07]: if they felt
[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_07]: there was a better strategic
[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_07]: move for them to go
[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_07]: with Rome and Genevieve
[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_07]: it would be correct for their games
[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_07]: yes to ignore
[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_07]: the emotion and go with Rome
[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_07]: no matter
[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_07]: what they thought of him
[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: because down the road
[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: down the road if
[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome keeps annoying everyone
[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: he's a bit of a smoke screen
[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: right but if you keep
[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Asia around and you keeps all
[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: around down the road
[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_04]: are they going to annoy people probably not
[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_04]: are they gonna be more of a
[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: concern as the game
[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_04]: progresses probably
[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: so there are so many factors
[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that you have to consider when you are making
[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: these decisions this early on in the game
[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: is where does this put me later
[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_04]: on in the game and I think
[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: that that was certainly part of their
[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_04]: strategic
[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: concern and why they were
[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: willing to put aside
[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: the okay we're gonna play the social
[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_04]: game here but we're also going to
[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: consider the strategic component of our game
[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_05]: as well. I have a question
[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_05]: so when Rome was
[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_05]: fishing in the background
[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_05]: because I think they show everyone
[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_05]: they were in the water and then
[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_05]: he's like back there coming with the
[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_05]: fishing his hand was Genevieve
[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_05]: in there as well
[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_07]: she was up on the beach
[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_07]: because she was who he walked up on the beach
[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_07]: to complain about
[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_05]: so she wasn't in the water with them
[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's correct
[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_05]: because to the point of
[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: a little fish
[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_07]: because to the point
[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_05]: to the point of playing nice and all of that
[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I keep talking
[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_05]: about Genevieve because I haven't heard
[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_05]: from her but I cannot wait
[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: until we get to the much later
[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_05]: in the game and she's gonna be like
[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_05]: this is
[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll be playing this guy that all along
[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_05]: just hiding behind him because
[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I know he's gonna take all the blame
[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I hope you are right
[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I really hope you are right yeah I do
[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_07]: not think it is but I hope
[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_07]: you are right that would be fun to see
[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I know
[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_07]: now we've talked about
[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_07]: in here Asia's relationship
[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_07]: with Saltini and Qashan but
[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_07]: as we've been kind of hinting at throughout
[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_07]: there's also Roman Genevieve
[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_07]: for Rome as you said
[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Heidi it was very clear she was super annoyed
[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah as she told Mike
[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_07]: do you understand
[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_07]: how annoyed I have to be
[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_07]: to not only express it but vocalize
[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_07]: how annoyed I am
[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_07]: and while
[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I have not met Asia personally
[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_07]: a number of people
[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_07]: who do know her
[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_07]: expressed on twitter
[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_07]: during the episode like I saw
[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_07]: tweet after tweet come across by timeline
[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_07]: like holy crap
[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_07]: I have literally never seen Asia
[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_07]: get upset in my entire
[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_07]: time
[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_07]: and so time after time
[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_07]: so that's something we don't
[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_07]: normally get we don't
[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_07]: have people know these players personally
[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_07]: ahead of time
[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_07]: and so
[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_07]: you know
[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_07]: she wasn't confronting Rome directly
[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_07]: but it's safe to say
[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_07]: it was clear how she felt
[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_07]: you know she mentioned
[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_07]: in interviews trying to talk to him
[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_07]: but it turning into him interviewing her
[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_07]: and bringing the conversation back
[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_07]: to himself
[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what you play nice
[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_07]: well I guess she could only
[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_07]: do it for so long
[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_07]: but you know she saw him talking to other
[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_07]: people so she said this must just be
[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_07]: a thing with him towards
[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_07]: me and as she told Mike
[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_07]: clearly from the confessionals
[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_07]: it is a me thing he had something against
[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_07]: me I don't know what it was
[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_07]: and so once again
[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what it is
[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_07]: either it's been speculated
[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I heard someone say
[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe I mean we know
[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_07]: that in addition to him
[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_07]: cramming all the survivor seasons
[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_07]: he also crammed
[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_07]: podcasts he also crammed
[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Reddit it is possible
[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_07]: he knew who she was and just didn't say anything
[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_07]: and that's why he was like
[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm gonna get rid of her now do I
[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_07]: think that he would have said
[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_07]: that in confessional and we would have seen it because
[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I think production
[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_07]: really would have loved that
[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_07]: yes so that's why
[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not buying that particular idea
[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_07]: until there's some evidence for it
[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_07]: but other than that we can't
[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_07]: read minds
[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I think
[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_07]: so there I think based on what
[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_07]: he said that he had this dividing
[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_07]: line in his head
[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_07]: there was the people who were with him
[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_07]: and the people who were against him
[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_07]: you know like the old
[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_07]: question from Russell to Sandra
[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_07]: are you with me or are you against me
[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm against you Russell
[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_07]: and
[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_07]: you know like when he
[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_07]: ate the extra fish
[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_07]: what he said to the camera was
[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_07]: basically I don't care
[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_07]: she isn't even in my alliance
[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_07]: it wasn't like
[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_07]: we're all on the same tribe
[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_07]: she isn't even in my alliance
[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_07]: and then
[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_07]: there's also the way we saw him and Saul interact
[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_07]: so yeah you were either
[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_07]: with him or against him
[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_07]: and if you were against him
[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_07]: he did not care
[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_07]: he was not concerned about having
[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_07]: any sort of social relationship
[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_07]: with you from what we saw
[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_07]: but it's also a chicken and egg
[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_07]: situation yeah did
[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome decide
[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_07]: they weren't worth dealing with
[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_07]: the same way because they were outside
[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_07]: his alliance or did he
[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_07]: form his alliance
[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_07]: at least in part based on the interactions
[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_07]: with people I still have to wait
[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_07]: for further interviews to find
[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_07]: that out we don't know which happened
[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree I think
[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: to be fair I'm sorry Jessica to be fair
[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_05]: to Asia right we saw
[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_05]: how he's like I hated that
[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: TK guy or whatever he was
[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_05]: that he said he didn't even know
[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_05]: the guy and he already didn't
[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: like him so maybe there's some
[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: truth there where he came like
[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't like Asia from the get go either right
[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: so there's right there could be some truth behind
[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_05]: that for sure
[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm curious I can't remember
[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_04]: how if Asia
[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_04]: spoke about
[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome pregame if there was anything
[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: that indicated because I would imagine
[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that Rome probably was
[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_04]: a little more boisterous
[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_04]: pregame and I'm just
[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to remember it's crazy
[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: right that some people
[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_04]: have this air about them
[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_04]: but or
[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah even more importantly did Rome
[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_07]: say something about her I
[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_07]: did not crack that now I do
[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry to interrupt you
[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_07]: that's okay but
[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I do feel that seems
[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_07]: like something like bloom would have brought up since
[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_07]: he put together the whole
[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_07]: like article on this person
[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_07]: likes this person doesn't like this
[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_07]: for I feel like immediately
[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_07]: he would have he would have picked up
[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_07]: on that and posted about that yeah
[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_04]: because I just I'm curious
[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_04]: now I'm gonna look at my notes from
[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: as we sit here I'm gonna pull up my
[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: notes to see if there was anything about because
[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just I just feel like that might be
[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_04]: something that you know pregame
[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: does a lot of things to people
[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: oh yeah and they sometimes can
[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_04]: you know make determinations and decisions
[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: about break out actually
[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that played a role in my game
[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_05]: let me give you my example and
[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_05]: he's my great friend Danny
[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_05]: from my season who
[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_05]: was my ally for most of
[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_05]: my season Danny
[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: in pregame he was doing pull ups
[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_05]: everyone is like trying to hide
[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_05]: their strength and like trying
[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: to hide what you're doing so you don't give anything
[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: out and here he is doing pull ups
[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_05]: in the pregame and we all can see it
[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_05]: so my head I was like if I'm in the tribe
[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: with my with that guy
[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm totally gonna be the ally of that guy
[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_05]: because he wants the forefront
[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: he wants to get the attention
[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_05]: so for me I'm with
[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: you like there is definitely
[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_05]: something that Rome could have done in pregame
[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_05]: that you already kind of see
[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and sense who's who he is
[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: or who he's gonna be in the game
[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and Rob has talked about
[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_07]: even back at the Amazon I think it was
[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_07]: was it Roger or someone
[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't remember who
[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_07]: one of the older guys in the tribe was upset
[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_07]: because
[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_07]: someone kept walking up and down
[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_07]: at night
[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know waking them at night
[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_07]: there's something like that in the pregame
[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_07]: and pissing him off I gotta get rid of this guy
[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I think I'm telling that story right
[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't remember
[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_07]: that's Rob's story but
[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_07]: now there is one more person
[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_07]: we should talk about here
[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_07]: someone that you've brought up a couple times Heidi
[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_07]: because you know we keep forgetting
[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve
[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia said that like with Rome
[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_07]: she tried to have conversations with her
[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_07]: but they just stayed surface level
[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_07]: so much like the viewers so far
[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia didn't get to know her either
[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_07]: she did confirm to Rob
[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_07]: that there is a person named Genevieve
[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_07]: on this season
[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: oh gosh
[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_05]: that is so
[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_07]: that is so
[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_05]: watch it
[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_05]: she's gonna make it to merchant
[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_05]: she's gonna be like
[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean this is my plan all alone
[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_05]: she's gonna make it really far
[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome's making the final three
[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: okay I'm just saying
[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's over text so it's happening
[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: it's happening
[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_07]: alright well the sixth rule warrants
[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_07]: against being too much of a threat
[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_07]: obviously anyone who isn't
[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_07]: with you on a tribe of six
[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_07]: is considered a threat
[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_07]: right and is considered a threat
[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_07]: so from that standpoint Asia and
[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul were both threats for Rome and Genevieve
[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_07]: the real question is where they stood
[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_07]: with Tini and Kishan
[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_07]: we talked earlier about Asia mentioning
[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_07]: that Kishan told her
[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_07]: that he worried that she would vote him out
[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_07]: once they got down to four if
[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_07]: he and Tini stuck with her and Saul
[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_07]: and while Asia was surprised
[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_07]: he was thinking that far ahead
[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_07]: we discussed how
[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_07]: at least from my perspective it's something people think about
[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know that did indeed
[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_07]: sort of make her
[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_07]: somewhat of a future threat to him
[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_07]: also Asia mentioned
[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_07]: to Gordon Holmes that she worried
[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Tini
[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_07]: knowing she's a podcaster
[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_07]: could be seen as a threat
[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_07]: to Tini even though
[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_07]: to Asia it's
[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_07]: a fun hobby not like she's going around
[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_07]: and playing reality games all over the place
[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_07]: that part
[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel less likely
[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_07]: sorry to contradict you before you even had a chance
[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_07]: to say anything Heidi but I feel it's
[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_07]: less likely to have had an impact in the
[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_07]: decision but
[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I will say that I do think other
[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_07]: players will tend to view
[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_07]: anyone who is in that position
[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_07]: talking about the game and presumably
[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_07]: having studied it as
[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_07]: being possibly threatening
[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_07]: though I would say Tini knowing
[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_07]: about that was equally as threatening which was
[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_07]: why Tini wasn't bringing it up
[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_07]: you know to protect himself
[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_07]: the difference is
[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_07]: it was Tini's perspective we're looking
[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_07]: at here you know another
[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_07]: way Tini might have felt
[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_07]: threatened was they knew Asia's
[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_07]: secret and Asia might
[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_07]: have felt that
[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_07]: that was a threat and turned on them
[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_07]: much like some people
[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: watching because some people
[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_07]: watching Big Brother 25 thought Jared
[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_07]: should have turned on Izzy
[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_07]: to protect the secret of him being
[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Sheree's son
[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_07]: if I had to guess
[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I suspect
[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_07]: probably none of this was really going through
[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Tini's head but I wanted to bring it up because
[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_07]: it's possible
[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a fair point because there is
[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: something to be said about
[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_04]: like I know someone's secret
[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_04]: so you go to that person and say
[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: hey I know your secret but I'm not going to say anything
[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: about it but now you've told that
[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: person
[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: they know my secret
[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: now I want to make sure
[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_04]: they're not going to tell anybody so now I need
[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: to vote that person out and I again
[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we saw Asia
[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: formulating that
[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: type of thought in
[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: relationship to that conversation but
[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: the fact that Tini
[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: had been thinking about that
[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_04]: gave her a little bit of
[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I think maybe an edge because
[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: she had already had that conversation with herself
[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: pregame and talked
[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: about how
[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want anyone to know that about me
[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm going to tell her
[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: and it is an interesting
[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: step in that direction because it can
[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: be a problem
[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: if you're going to open up and
[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_04]: make an admission like that so Tini
[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I think in that moment was being vulnerable
[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and saying hey I'm going to let you in
[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: on something I know about you
[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: in hopes that it wouldn't come back to bite her
[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and we didn't see Asia processing it
[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: differently but I think that's a very interesting
[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: idea that could have
[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: come from that conversation
[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm very curious and maybe
[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_05]: you can answer this if you heard it before
[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_05]: or if you saw it in an episode and I missed it
[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_05]: so many times
[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_05]: when you are introducing yourself in the first
[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_05]: episode right you're like I do this
[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I do that I don't
[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_05]: know if Romeo said
[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: all the things he does
[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I had to Google it to see exactly what he
[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: is it says eat sports commentators
[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_05]: right and if
[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Asia said details
[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_05]: behind what she's doing
[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_05]: oh no she did not reveal
[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_07]: because that's not her regular job
[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_07]: her regular job is
[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_07]: with computers I think like
[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_07]: IT for HR
[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_07]: but Tini knew
[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: it makes you wonder
[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_05]: did she reveal this to anybody else
[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_05]: is there more conversations
[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: because the reason I say that
[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and this was not shown even for my season
[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_05]: but we had an NFL guy
[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Brandon friend of mine now
[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_05]: as soon as you see him
[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: even when we saw him and never talk
[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: to him until we merge
[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: he's totally an NFL player
[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_05]: or basketball player because you see him
[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and his tattoos are so beautiful
[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that's a guy that is definitely
[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_05]: an athlete
[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_05]: even though half of the people didn't believe him
[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's one of those
[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_07]: that's what I need to do for people to think I'm an athlete is get tattoos
[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_05]: well you have tattoos
[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_05]: beautiful like art
[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and you're like those are expensive nice art
[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_05]: on your arm
[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_05]: that's how seriously
[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what we talk about him right
[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_05]: but that's the kind of thing you're already kind of thinking
[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_05]: strategizing behind him
[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_05]: so when we saw him that he did
[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: the balancing one of the balancing challenges
[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: so well and he's probably
[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_05]: over 200 and something pounds
[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: you're like this guy is legit
[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: from athleticism right
[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_05]: so talking bringing that back into here
[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_05]: if there's some discussions
[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_05]: that are happening that maybe we didn't see
[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_05]: that talks about who they are
[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_05]: you know like Asia
[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_05]: could have put a
[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_05]: target on her back for some of them
[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_05]: it's very interesting I would love to hear
[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_05]: from some of the other members of that tribe
[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: to see if they talked about
[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: what they do in their real life because
[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it does put a little bit on the back
[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean people don't say they're lawyers
[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: because the lawyers go out quickly
[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever right
[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't a podcaster when I went out
[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_04]: so no one knew that I was lying
[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: but he put herself out there
[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_04]: as potentially getting busted right off the rip
[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I mean from everything we
[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_07]: saw she did not give that information away
[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_07]: and neither did Teenie because like Teenie
[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_07]: said both in the pregame and to Asia
[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_07]: if I tell
[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_07]: other people that reveals
[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_07]: that I'm so deep into this world
[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_07]: that I could recognize you on site
[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah you know and
[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_07]: so Teenie didn't want to
[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_07]: give that away because it makes
[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_07]: them look like a threat as well
[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_05]: right but there's a
[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_05]: but there if you're going to be
[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_05]: a survivor and you know
[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: you're like somehow you get a call
[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and you start going through the casting
[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and you're not doing your research with the podcast
[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_05]: and everything that's happening
[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: you're not doing your homework so I feel like
[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_05]: there could be more people that know about
[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Asia that you might
[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_05]: that made me say it out loud
[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: you'd have a good excuse as to why you know
[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: like I'd listen coming out here I started prepping
[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: when I was watching podcasts right on
[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_04]: you know there's this
[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: there's this podcaster that just happens to be
[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_04]: out here
[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: that's certainly that's something you could have worked into
[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: the conversations for sure
[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I think could have
[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_07]: if Teenie needed a reason
[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_07]: but I don't think
[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenie needed a reason I think Rome
[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_07]: was taking care of that
[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_07]: he wants everything
[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_05]: for himself
[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah
[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_07]: so
[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_07]: so overall
[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think being a threat
[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_07]: was a big issue
[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_07]: for this vote
[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_07]: I think there were plenty of other factors
[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_07]: some of which we'll discuss and
[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_07]: now we'll get to appendix
[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_07]: in a minute we'll get to appendix A
[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_07]: which you know I think there are more there
[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_07]: some of which we've hinted at already but before we get there
[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_07]: we do have rule 7
[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_07]: which covers
[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_07]: idols and advantages and game mechanics
[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_07]: and now Asia of course
[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_07]: didn't get any trinkets because Rome hogged them all
[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_07]: but there are
[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_07]: still things to discuss
[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_07]: about how she dealt with that situation
[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_07]: but even before then
[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_07]: she had a decision to make
[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_07]: related to game mechanics
[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_07]: just a few minutes after landing on the beach
[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_07]: many of us wonder
[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_07]: why would you volunteer
[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_07]: to go compete for tribe supplies
[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_07]: and like everything else
[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_07]: there was a bigger story here that wasn't shown
[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_07]: she didn't just suddenly say
[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll go
[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_07]: instead she didn't interviews that nobody on her tribe
[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_07]: wanted to do it just like a journey
[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_07]: you know Jessica
[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_07]: she said Saul was
[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_07]: willing if they knew it was
[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_07]: going to be strange
[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_07]: but Jeff was like I'm not telling you anything
[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_07]: and Kishan kind of half heartedly
[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_07]: said he could
[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_07]: but they didn't know what they were getting themselves into
[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_07]: so Jeff was harping on them like pick one
[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_07]: pick one
[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_07]: and
[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia stepped up because as she told
[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_07]: my gloom whether it's strange or whether it's a puzzle
[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I felt confident going into it
[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_07]: little did I know
[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know that I really thought she just volunteered
[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_07]: no exactly
[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_07]: you know that's the way it looked again
[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_07]: but she said little did I know it was going to be finding
[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_07]: a needle in a haystack
[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_07]: again it does come down to
[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_07]: you know yes they could have done
[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_07]: this to me Jessica
[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_07]: this is worse of a forced
[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_07]: situation
[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_07]: than the journey because Jeff was like
[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_07]: you have to do it right now
[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: right right and but this
[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_04]: so it's like right now someone has to go
[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and which
[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: again I don't appreciate I don't like
[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: this because
[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: this is the other part of
[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: what makes survivor survivor is the
[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_04]: social game
[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and when you are removing one person
[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_04]: from that start
[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_04]: from that beginning
[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean
[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_04]: you are taking away so many possibilities
[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: from them
[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and I know that
[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to read into too much
[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: then I know this is something that came up in some of the
[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Exopress but TK went
[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and she went and TK went home
[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and she went home and she didn't think
[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_04]: that it necessarily affected
[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: her social game
[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: but I do think that there's something to be said about
[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_04]: missing out on those early moments
[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_04]: because even though
[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_04]: she had
[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul that reached out to her
[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_04]: right away and Teenie reached out to her right away
[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_04]: there's still a huge
[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_04]: gap in time and there are moments
[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that she is missing out on
[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and if Rome is someone
[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_04]: who is going to become
[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: problematic to you
[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and you don't have those initial
[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_04]: moments of like okay this is who
[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome is and this is how we're going to
[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_04]: have to be working with Rome
[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: then you come into
[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_04]: already seeing
[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that developed and
[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I really do feel like she's put
[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_04]: at a detriment at that point
[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: so I don't think they should be forced to go
[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_04]: on
[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_04]: any type of journey right away
[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: or do this sweat versus savvy
[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_04]: crap right away and split people
[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I just let them
[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_04]: just don't do that, that's just me
[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: that's just me
[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: they started
[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel again the six
[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_05]: they just make it harder
[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_05]: these little challenges on the very first
[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: day it makes it harder
[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I totally
[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_05]: for anybody who's listening who's going to
[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_05]: survivor or you're going to apply in the future
[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_05]: never ever volunteer for the first one
[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: don't let them pressure you
[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_05]: to go first I don't think
[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that's good for your game I'm 100%
[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_05]: with what Jessica said
[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_05]: don't put yourself there
[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_05]: it does not matter it really is a detriment
[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_05]: the first few hours is when
[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_05]: you start making those bonds and alliances
[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_05]: finding common things
[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_05]: amongst yourselves and things like that
[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_05]: it's so
[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: important for you
[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_05]: to give yourself that opportunity
[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_05]: to be there if you can
[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_05]: and have the power to say no
[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_05]: please never go there because
[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm with you I didn't even make the connection
[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_05]: of the two of them that you're right
[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the two that went
[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_05]: there are gone now from
[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: the game there may be something
[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_07]: that and TK did blame that
[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_07]: partially in his interviews whereas
[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia said she didn't think it mattered
[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_07]: now
[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean she would know better she was there
[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_07]: it's kind of a butterfly effect
[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_07]: not the type we have Jessica but
[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_07]: you know
[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_07]: we don't know what would have happened because we don't know
[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_07]: who would have gone
[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe if they drew rocks
[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome because he always seems to get
[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_07]: the winner Rome would have
[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_07]: ended up going
[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_07]: but then again maybe he would have refused because
[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_07]: he was like I'm not going but if they all
[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_07]: refused they still had to come up with something
[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_07]: let's say they draw rocks and he ends up going
[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_07]: well now that dynamic
[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_07]: instantly is much different
[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_05]: exactly
[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_07]: and so would
[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve have said well let's wait till
[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome gets back and make it or would she have
[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_07]: because she was the
[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_07]: we may forget this but she was the initial one
[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_07]: who said
[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_07]: let's make an alliance of four
[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah
[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_07]: while Asia was still out there
[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_07]: and teeny was like well I want to wait
[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_07]: and see what's up with Asia
[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_07]: right and so
[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean
[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_07]: personalities are going to work out the way they work out
[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I
[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_07]: if Rome was not the one
[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_07]: to go and Asia was not
[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_07]: the one to go do I think they would have been
[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_07]: best buds no I still
[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_07]: think you probably would have had the same
[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_07]: issue right I
[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: feel like it still would have been the same issue
[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's also a matter of
[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: you pregame you kind of
[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: judge people and you look at
[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: what you think or you try to determine
[01:36:49] [SPEAKER_04]: what you think they're going to be like based upon
[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_04]: what you've seen and then when you actually
[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: start playing the game you find it almost
[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: immediately if your read was
[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_04]: correct or you were way off
[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and and I had I had both
[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_04]: of those things happen with various people on my tribe
[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: where I was like wow this is not what I
[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_04]: was expecting at all
[01:37:06] [SPEAKER_04]: when I first saw this person
[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and oh this was what I was expecting
[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and so you know it's one of those
[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_04]: situations where
[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: those moments are so
[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: significant when you are
[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_04]: first just hitting
[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: that island and kind of doing your introductions
[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and meeting people and to
[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_04]: miss out on it
[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: it can certainly I think
[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: affect someone's desire
[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to want to be
[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: with you more so than this person over here
[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: because even I mean you're talking
[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_04]: seven days so hours
[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: matter in a circumstance like
[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_04]: this hours really can make all the difference
[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and if you don't have those initial
[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_04]: hours with your group then
[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_04]: you've missed out on a world
[01:37:49] [SPEAKER_04]: of information relative to
[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: a game that is only 26 days
[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and I
[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_07]: think anyone
[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_07]: who watched these episodes
[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_07]: and who was going to be out
[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_07]: on the next
[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_07]: well not the next season the next season that goes
[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_07]: to film
[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_07]: is probably going to be like there's no way in hell
[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm doing that so Jeff better come up
[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_07]: with another method because
[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I think everyone's going to be like are you
[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_07]: kidding no the first two people
[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_07]: who volunteered were
[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_07]: voted out right away of course we're not doing
[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_04]: that you know not going
[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_07]: so for survivor 49
[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Jeff better have another method there
[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the format
[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_05]: may stick
[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_05]: may stay
[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: but I could see how they
[01:38:34] [SPEAKER_05]: could really mix it up right like
[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_05]: or all of them
[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: say no you got pressure
[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_05]: let production select you
[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and that will bring something quite interesting
[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_07]: right something we haven't seen make it a little
[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_07]: fairer like okay
[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_07]: we're going to have three of you
[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_07]: go and three of you stay yeah
[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: like I like that
[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_07]: something like that where it's not one
[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_07]: person being out
[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_07]: yes or this
[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah so now there was
[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_07]: also a repercussion from that
[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_07]: trip that was not discussed on the show
[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_07]: because Asia told Rob that Genevieve
[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_07]: and therefore probably
[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome suspected that she
[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_07]: had some sort of advantage
[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_07]: from having gone there
[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_07]: now I'm not sure how much of a role
[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_07]: if any that really played into
[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_07]: things you know
[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe Rome got it in his head that
[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_07]: she had something and that's why he was
[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_07]: like we must get rid of her but
[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like we would have
[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_07]: heard something about that yeah
[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_07]: especially when like teeny was talking to
[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome and saying well
[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_07]: you should be we should be more worried about
[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Saul because he can find stuff
[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_07]: you know then I feel like Rome would
[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_07]: have said responded yeah but what if
[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_07]: you know what if Asia already has something
[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_07]: so I just don't feel like
[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_07]: that ended up being
[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_04]: anything yeah but it is
[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: also something for people to consider
[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_04]: right when you get sent out
[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_04]: on something like this
[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: that people will
[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_04]: make up stories in their head
[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_07]: honestly I was surprised I should have mentioned it
[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_07]: in our first episode I was surprised there wasn't anything
[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah for that reason
[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_07]: but yeah but
[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_05]: it's still in the back of your head
[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_05]: oh right that she could still
[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_05]: have something like it has to be
[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_05]: in your head even if you don't discuss it
[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever you have you don't
[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_05]: forget those things those are important
[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_05]: aspects that you ought to remember
[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_07]: now what may have played a
[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_07]: role was Asia taking the lead
[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_07]: in tracking Rome the idol hunter
[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_07]: as we
[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_07]: saw she caught him getting a clue
[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and she told teeny, Kishan
[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_07]: and Saul and they went out
[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_07]: to find him and then he went diving
[01:40:40] [SPEAKER_07]: armpit deep into the well
[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know they
[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_07]: certainly until they found him
[01:40:46] [SPEAKER_07]: and he basically ran away
[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure
[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_07]: her being the
[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_07]: lead investigator on this
[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_07]: was not lost on Rome
[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_07]: and he did not appreciate it
[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I also think
[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_07]: that would have bonded
[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_07]: those four more
[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_07]: tightly you know we already talked about them
[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_07]: being bonded socially
[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_07]: right if
[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome had not come and told
[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_07]: teeny about everything as we discussed
[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_07]: earlier Rome really
[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_07]: countered whether intentionally
[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_07]: or unintentionally
[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_07]: really countered
[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_07]: that four person
[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_07]: bonding by going directly
[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_07]: to teeny and involving them
[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and that's very fair
[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm
[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm with you I think
[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: her
[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_05]: at least from what we saw in these episodes
[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: you can tell that Asia
[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_05]: was going strong at that situation right
[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: from the first two episodes
[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_04]: so it was one of those who had something
[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_04]: right yeah you know it was like
[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_04]: here's something he's out looking
[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and and you yeah and
[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_04]: you lean in on that because you're like
[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: oh this is great information
[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and maybe that's why
[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_04]: a bit of their trust so
[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think it broke her trust I think
[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_07]: it bonded them until
[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_07]: he
[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome kind of trumped it
[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: you know but what I
[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_05]: meant was more with Rome that's where Rome
[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_05]: it can probably see that she was
[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: leading the other pack into getting
[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_05]: into him and that may be
[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_05]: that may play into why he also
[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_05]: felt like he needed to tell people
[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: to find allies right so
[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_05]: it's one of those who are inside that
[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: whole thing the way it was handled
[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_05]: probably didn't help Asia into the
[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_05]: situation of what just happened to her
[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah now Asia
[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_07]: tried to deal with Rome's possession of
[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_07]: an idol by working around it especially after
[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_07]: teeny and Kishan confirmed that he had it
[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_07]: but that duo
[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_07]: kept talking about him
[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_07]: possibly playing it on Genevieve
[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_07]: and the part I'm not sure
[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_07]: about here is whether Rome ever actually
[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_07]: told them this
[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_07]: or they were just saying
[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_07]: reason that you know
[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_07]: they couldn't try to counter the idol
[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_07]: like we don't want to do this so we'll just tell
[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_07]: her that you know he said
[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that's exactly what I think they were doing
[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_07]: because we didn't see him say it
[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and you know
[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Jessica you and I were very certain last
[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_07]: week and you got a t-shirt out of it
[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_07]: that there was no way
[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_07]: he would do it
[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_07]: and I
[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_07]: maintained that certainty into watching
[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_07]: the episode Asia herself
[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_07]: had an interview that she had the same thought
[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_07]: but even so
[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_07]: she knew that she had to do something to
[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_07]: ensure it and also try to convince
[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_07]: teeny and Kishan that
[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_07]: they didn't have to worry about that
[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_07]: so once they came to her
[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_07]: and told her they were with her
[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_07]: aka they lied to her face
[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_07]: she made
[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_07]: two moves to ensure
[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_07]: that Rome would use the idol on himself
[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_07]: one was that she told Genevieve
[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_07]: she and Saul had gotten a third person
[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_07]: to vote out Rome because she knew
[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Genevieve would immediately run back to
[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome and tell him
[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_07]: and then she also
[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_07]: this is the reason she made her statement
[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_07]: just before the vote
[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_07]: about oh the person who agreed
[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_07]: to vote with me you know
[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I hope you still do that hoping to really
[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_07]: drive home the point
[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_07]: to Rome that was really directed to Rome
[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_07]: hey you've got to play the idol on yourself
[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_07]: and these were both
[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_07]: very good ideas
[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_07]: if teeny and Kishan
[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_07]: hadn't already made up their mind and were completely lying to her
[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_04]: but
[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I have
[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_04]: an option that I think she should have
[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: utilized
[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and she didn't decide to
[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_04]: if she thinks
[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that
[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_04]: they are both voting for Genevieve
[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_04]: right
[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_04]: this is where her mind is at
[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: so there's two votes on Genevieve
[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and Saul
[01:44:42] [SPEAKER_04]: has to be also voting for either Rome
[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_04]: or Genevieve because there's the split
[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_04]: right so if the plan
[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_04]: was they're voting so 3-1-1
[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_04]: right where it was
[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and then so whoever Genevieve and Rome vote for
[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_04]: which is going to likely be
[01:44:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul or Asia
[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_04]: she could have
[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_04]: said you know what
[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that means it's a 2-2-1
[01:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: vote if I
[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_04]: play my shot in the dark
[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and take a chance
[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I maybe I'm safe
[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_04]: because I play my shot in the dark
[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and even if I'm not
[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_04]: it's still 2-2 and then it's tied
[01:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they got to go to a tiebreaker
[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: but I just feel like why not
[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_04]: just take the chance at that point
[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_04]: if you do believe that the vote is going to be
[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_04]: 2-2-1
[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and you have a chance to save yourself
[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_04]: play your shot in the dark
[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_05]: that's very interesting I didn't even think about that
[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_05]: but I like it
[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_07]: she addressed in her interviews why she
[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_07]: didn't play it that she felt her vote was
[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_07]: needed in this
[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_07]: whole thing and the other thing is
[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_05]: again explain that to me
[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_07]: well that was one part I didn't
[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_07]: clip from the thing
[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_07]: but I know that she
[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_07]: addressed it I just don't remember what it was
[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_04]: she did talk about it
[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_04]: but the math again isn't
[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_04]: math aim
[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I don't know so if they said
[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_07]: they were doing 3
[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_07]: votes on Genevieve
[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and 1 vote on Rome
[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_07]: on Rome
[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_07]: then it would have been
[01:46:12] [SPEAKER_07]: 2 votes on Genevieve
[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_07]: and if Rome
[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_07]: and Genevieve vote for let's say
[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_07]: her
[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_07]: 2-2 is what Jessica was talking about
[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_07]: 2-2
[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_07]: so then who gets so then it's
[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_07]: 2-2 and then it leaves it in the
[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_07]: hands of Teenie
[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_07]: and Kishan which is fine
[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_07]: if they're willing to do it
[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_07]: remember this whole thing for her
[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_07]: if you go back to it and I don't remember
[01:46:39] [SPEAKER_07]: if this is what she was talking about
[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_07]: but this whole thing for her
[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_07]: was the loyalty test aspect
[01:46:44] [SPEAKER_07]: and if you say
[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_07]: if you tell them
[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I need you to vote with me
[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_07]: we need to make it a 3-1
[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_07]: and
[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_07]: they say
[01:46:55] [SPEAKER_07]: okay and then you don't vote and use your shot in the dark
[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_07]: you have just shot
[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_07]: you haven't just shot in the dark
[01:47:01] [SPEAKER_07]: you've shot yourself in the foot when it comes to loyalty
[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_07]: because you just said
[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_04]: sure but at the same time
[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_04]: so let's work through this
[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_04]: okay so if they still
[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: went along with the
[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_04]: we're going to vote for Genevieve and it's the 2-2-1
[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_04]: so
[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_04]: then when they go to the re-vote
[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_04]: now you've got
[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you essentially have a 3-2
[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_04]: if they're going to be like well we're going to keep Asia
[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think she would have a legitimate
[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_04]: response at that point to say listen
[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I was concerned
[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: with myself sure
[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and so I played my shot in the dark
[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I still think that she would have the ability
[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_04]: to respond to that
[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_04]: because if she plays her shot in the dark
[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and then all the votes are read
[01:47:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and she finds out ha
[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: you weren't being truthful to me
[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and I and maybe
[01:47:50] [SPEAKER_04]: she gets lucky with the shot in the dark so she saves herself
[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and she finds out that Keeney
[01:47:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and Kishan are not on her side
[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: okay I just
[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: just by saying oh go ahead
[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I just quickly checked the interview
[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_07]: the one factor we forgot about
[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_07]: was that they knew he had
[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_07]: either a steal a vote or an extra vote
[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_07]: and if he has that
[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_07]: she needs to have her
[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_07]: vote if he plays
[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_07]: an extra vote
[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_07]: especially
[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_07]: that makes it a 3-3 tie with her
[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_07]: vote if she does the shot in the dark
[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_07]: she's dead
[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: but there's
[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_05]: there's permutations
[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_05]: there one is by her
[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: saying that she's going to play the shot
[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_05]: in the dark it's already in their mind there's a chance
[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_05]: she doesn't go home right
[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_05]: but let's say they don't even care
[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_05]: about it and they go with it
[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe in their minds is the way
[01:48:41] [SPEAKER_05]: for them to utilize
[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_05]: to let
[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Rome burn that vote
[01:48:47] [SPEAKER_05]: whether he's going to do it or not we all know
[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: he's not going to do it unless he knows
[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_05]: he's going to help himself right
[01:48:53] [SPEAKER_05]: so I truly truly think
[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_05]: that would have played out
[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_05]: beautifully if she would have worked
[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_04]: with that
[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm also curious because
[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I know that Rome came back
[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and said
[01:49:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I lost my vote
[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and then he told Teenie
[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't actually lose my vote I had a steal a vote
[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and so
[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if Asia actually knew
[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that he had a steal a vote
[01:49:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that was ever confirmed
[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_07]: from her interview it seemed like
[01:49:23] [SPEAKER_07]: she knew he had something
[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: he had something but also like
[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_07]: we saw Saul sitting there talking to him
[01:49:29] [SPEAKER_07]: where he was going on oh man
[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I lost my vote and Saul
[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_07]: was just like you are so full
[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_07]: of crap I see right
[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_04]: but again
[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_04]: but you don't know what it is
[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_04]: this is the other part of it too
[01:49:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I just keep going back to the numbers
[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_04]: there's no reason
[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_04]: at this point in the game
[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_04]: for him to steal a vote with the numbers being
[01:49:51] [SPEAKER_04]: what they are so for Asia to think
[01:49:53] [SPEAKER_04]: well what if he does a steal a vote
[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not going to matter
[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_04]: in the grand scheme of things because
[01:49:58] [SPEAKER_04]: if
[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Genevieve and Rom are together
[01:50:01] [SPEAKER_04]: which they appear to be
[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and then if there's a chance that
[01:50:06] [SPEAKER_04]: she's got you know Teenie
[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and
[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Kishan and Kishan are all
[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_04]: so then the number it doesn't matter
[01:50:13] [SPEAKER_04]: he doesn't need to steal a vote they already have
[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_04]: therefore it doesn't matter
[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_07]: he believes that but
[01:50:18] [SPEAKER_07]: and you're right because I was saying the same thing
[01:50:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I was saying well why would he ever use it
[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_07]: but we don't know
[01:50:24] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know just people
[01:50:26] [SPEAKER_07]: having those sorts of things as I'm sure
[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_07]: you know can strike fear into you
[01:50:30] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and so
[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_07]: you know what's your better shot here
[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_07]: do you want to play do you want to give away
[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_07]: your vote it's kind of like we were
[01:50:38] [SPEAKER_07]: talking about with John in the first episode
[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_07]: where he was like well I felt
[01:50:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I had about a 20% chance
[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_07]: of convincing Sam and we were like you did not
[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_07]: have a 20% chance
[01:50:47] [SPEAKER_07]: you know is there you know
[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_07]: what are the odds here is it
[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_07]: better or worse than one in six
[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_07]: that he will use this advantage
[01:50:56] [SPEAKER_07]: it's Rome
[01:50:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I would not put it past
[01:51:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome to use everything
[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_07]: he has just to make a big moment
[01:51:04] [SPEAKER_07]: or Roman
[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_07]: as we said last episode
[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_07]: um
[01:51:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I think
[01:51:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't
[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_05]: don't you think that Romeo fell
[01:51:16] [SPEAKER_05]: not Romeo Rome
[01:51:18] [SPEAKER_05]: that like Teenie and Kishan could probably
[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_05]: tell he felt comfortable with what was happening
[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_05]: like he's really
[01:51:24] [SPEAKER_07]: killing it I think so
[01:51:26] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[01:51:30] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I mean
[01:51:32] [SPEAKER_07]: it's not
[01:51:33] [SPEAKER_07]: as simple as
[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_07]: it's not as simple math
[01:51:37] [SPEAKER_07]: as we thought before I you know went look
[01:51:40] [SPEAKER_07]: there's math
[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_07]: plus trying to figure out
[01:51:44] [SPEAKER_07]: what's going inside Rome's head of all
[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah um and
[01:51:48] [SPEAKER_07]: clearly she didn't know what was going on
[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_07]: inside Rome said because she couldn't get in there
[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_07]: um right and so
[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_07]: if someone tells me yes
[01:51:58] [SPEAKER_07]: you're voting I mean yeah
[01:51:59] [SPEAKER_07]: how do you set it
[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_07]: were they lying were they telling the truth
[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_07]: probably lying but
[01:52:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know
[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_07]: you know it's it all comes down to the percentages again
[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah um
[01:52:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I think if she had
[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_07]: gone either way
[01:52:14] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it would have been okay
[01:52:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want you know
[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_07]: is particularly beneficial over
[01:52:21] [SPEAKER_05]: the other and and it's possible
[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_05]: she says I'm gonna play the shot in the dark
[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: and then they're like no no no we're gonna
[01:52:27] [SPEAKER_05]: go with soul you know we're gonna
[01:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: go with you on soul and then the whole thing
[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_05]: but I do think the dynamics
[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_05]: would have changed like if she would
[01:52:35] [SPEAKER_05]: have used that line everything would have been different
[01:52:37] [SPEAKER_04]: but also she didn't even
[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_04]: she didn't even need to tell them just go to tribal council
[01:52:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and let them believe
[01:52:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it would have been worse if she well
[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_07]: it couldn't have been worse I you know
[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_04]: if she had told them ahead of time that wouldn't
[01:52:49] [SPEAKER_04]: it wouldn't have worked but if you're in tribal
[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_04]: council and you're like trying to sell this
[01:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: it's going to be 3 1
[01:52:56] [SPEAKER_04]: 1 and you're and you're doing everything
[01:52:58] [SPEAKER_04]: you can to like
[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_04]: lock it in that he's gonna play his
[01:53:01] [SPEAKER_04]: idol on himself and this is and really
[01:53:04] [SPEAKER_04]: where I'm at and then you go up there and you
[01:53:05] [SPEAKER_04]: throw your shot in the dark
[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know I just feel like
[01:53:10] [SPEAKER_04]: it's it's a chance
[01:53:12] [SPEAKER_04]: worth taking
[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I think she could have used it she probably
[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_05]: but at that time
[01:53:16] [SPEAKER_05]: in the state of that conversation she probably
[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_05]: didn't even think she was the one going
[01:53:21] [SPEAKER_05]: but I'm with you like at the end
[01:53:23] [SPEAKER_05]: if you have any sort of doubt
[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_05]: that it could be you
[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_05]: you throw everything that you
[01:53:29] [SPEAKER_05]: have at the moment
[01:53:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I was the shot in the dark but like you said
[01:53:33] [SPEAKER_07]: if you have any sort of doubt but she also had
[01:53:35] [SPEAKER_07]: the doubt that that could he play
[01:53:37] [SPEAKER_07]: his advantage and if he plays his
[01:53:39] [SPEAKER_07]: advantage am I gonna shot in the dark
[01:53:41] [SPEAKER_07]: myself out of the game because we've seen
[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_07]: that happen too where someone throws away their
[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_07]: vote and they get sent home
[01:53:47] [SPEAKER_07]: because of it listen
[01:53:48] [SPEAKER_05]: if Asia is listening to this
[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: this game is hard
[01:53:54] [SPEAKER_05]: there's no shame
[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_05]: at all
[01:53:57] [SPEAKER_05]: really really think she was in a tough
[01:53:59] [SPEAKER_05]: situation and even within the rules
[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_05]: and everything this game is very
[01:54:03] [SPEAKER_04]: hard we're just talking through it here
[01:54:06] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah we know everything
[01:54:07] [SPEAKER_04]: we still don't have the math behind
[01:54:09] [SPEAKER_04]: exactly
[01:54:10] [SPEAKER_07]: sorry well let's move on
[01:54:12] [SPEAKER_07]: to appendix a this is already
[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_07]: our longest of the season as I expected
[01:54:16] [SPEAKER_07]: it
[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_07]: appendix a is about the players
[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_07]: keeping their end goals in mind when voting
[01:54:22] [SPEAKER_07]: and we talk about voting out the week and the strong
[01:54:24] [SPEAKER_07]: in the week in the strong often at this early
[01:54:26] [SPEAKER_07]: stage the quote-unquote weak part comes
[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_07]: down to challenge before but Jeff
[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_07]: asked Saul near the beginning of tribal
[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_07]: council if he
[01:54:34] [SPEAKER_07]: felt this vote would be about keeping the tribe
[01:54:36] [SPEAKER_07]: stronger or about alliances
[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_07]: and Saul said it was about alliances and he was
[01:54:40] [SPEAKER_07]: right because of course that should always
[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_07]: take precedent
[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_07]: as we saw last week when they voted out TK
[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_07]: and that brings us to a
[01:54:48] [SPEAKER_07]: topic I've already mentioned a couple time
[01:54:49] [SPEAKER_07]: what was Teenies best
[01:54:52] [SPEAKER_07]: move
[01:54:53] [SPEAKER_07]: because Teenie said on the show
[01:54:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I think you quoted this earlier Jessica
[01:54:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I have to make the decision that's going to
[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_07]: guarantee me going further in this game
[01:55:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and that I think
[01:55:03] [SPEAKER_07]: that was the real key point in all of this
[01:55:06] [SPEAKER_07]: it turned out that Rome
[01:55:08] [SPEAKER_07]: sharing his idol info
[01:55:09] [SPEAKER_07]: and advantage info with Teenie did
[01:55:12] [SPEAKER_07]: solidify an alliance
[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_07]: and it overcame
[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_07]: the RHA
[01:55:17] [SPEAKER_07]: p-lines because yeah
[01:55:19] [SPEAKER_07]: if if
[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenie and Kishan had truly wanted to turn on
[01:55:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Roman Genevieve they could have done a split
[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_07]: on Roman Genevieve and then broken the tie
[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_07]: by voting out whoever
[01:55:30] [SPEAKER_07]: roamed in play the idol I'm presuming
[01:55:32] [SPEAKER_07]: they were telling the truth that Rome threatened
[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_07]: to use it on Genevieve
[01:55:36] [SPEAKER_07]: and
[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_07]: yes there was the risk he'd use the steal of
[01:55:40] [SPEAKER_07]: vote to but like we just talked
[01:55:42] [SPEAKER_07]: about was there any reason that probably
[01:55:44] [SPEAKER_07]: not
[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_07]: but we also don't know maybe he said
[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_07]: something to make it seem
[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_07]: that way that we just didn't
[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_07]: see you know that they didn't bother
[01:55:54] [SPEAKER_07]: with because he didn't use it
[01:55:55] [SPEAKER_07]: but putting all that aside
[01:55:58] [SPEAKER_07]: both Teenie and Kishan
[01:56:00] [SPEAKER_07]: are smart enough to figure this out
[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_07]: and all of this tells me
[01:56:03] [SPEAKER_07]: all those options out there
[01:56:05] [SPEAKER_07]: and it's something I said earlier it means they
[01:56:07] [SPEAKER_07]: didn't want to
[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_07]: turn on Rome and Genevieve
[01:56:11] [SPEAKER_06]: you know that is who
[01:56:13] [SPEAKER_07]: they wanted to go with
[01:56:16] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know we can't
[01:56:18] [SPEAKER_07]: read minds
[01:56:19] [SPEAKER_07]: we've said that multiple times but we can read action
[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_07]: and my best
[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_07]: guess as to why Teenie
[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_07]: wasn't as worried about the Rome Genevieve
[01:56:27] [SPEAKER_07]: duo is because
[01:56:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome keeps telling Teenie everything
[01:56:32] [SPEAKER_07]: so
[01:56:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenie probably feels like Rome's most
[01:56:35] [SPEAKER_07]: trusted ally which puts them in a good spot
[01:56:37] [SPEAKER_07]: if Teenie turned on Rome
[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_07]: to vote out Genevieve
[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenie would lose that middle spot
[01:56:43] [SPEAKER_07]: they would lose the information
[01:56:45] [SPEAKER_07]: they've been getting and not to mention
[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_07]: this is the guy who already
[01:56:50] [SPEAKER_07]: got two advantages so he would
[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_07]: probably get back from tribal council
[01:56:53] [SPEAKER_07]: immediately run out into the jungle
[01:56:55] [SPEAKER_07]: to find the re-hit Nidale
[01:56:56] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah
[01:56:59] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I mean it's a really tough
[01:57:00] [SPEAKER_04]: spot to be in when
[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_04]: you have all of these
[01:57:04] [SPEAKER_04]: things happening around you that you can't
[01:57:06] [SPEAKER_04]: necessarily control and
[01:57:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Teenie just found herself
[01:57:10] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of in the center of everything
[01:57:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and when you are the deluge
[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_04]: for the information
[01:57:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and everyone is coming to you and wanting to share with you
[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_04]: that really gives you
[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of power in the game because you really
[01:57:22] [SPEAKER_04]: do get to decide
[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_04]: how this is all going to end up
[01:57:26] [SPEAKER_04]: even though Rome is the one that's
[01:57:27] [SPEAKER_04]: finding these things
[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Teenie really is the one that's saying
[01:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: this is what we're gonna do with all of this information
[01:57:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and I do think that there is a lot to be said
[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_04]: about
[01:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: keeping those people who are with you
[01:57:39] [SPEAKER_04]: with you and even though
[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Asia and Saul could have been with her
[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_04]: as well it is
[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: a difference because when you have someone
[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_04]: who really
[01:57:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean Rome is like her other number
[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_04]: one so she technically
[01:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: has two number ones whereas Asia has
[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul and then
[01:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Saul and Asia are coming to Teenie
[01:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and so I do think that there is a different feeling
[01:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: there and a different level of loyalty
[01:58:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and it really does boil down
[01:58:05] [SPEAKER_04]: to how Teenie saw her
[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: game progressing with these
[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_04]: options that were before her and unfortunately
[01:58:11] [SPEAKER_04]: for Asia
[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_04]: she just wasn't another
[01:58:15] [SPEAKER_04]: number one for Teenie
[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah and Teenie
[01:58:19] [SPEAKER_05]: is such in a good position with all the information
[01:58:22] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it doesn't matter
[01:58:23] [SPEAKER_05]: so much to have all these advantages
[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_05]: if you have the information
[01:58:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and you have power
[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_05]: behind the information because I truly think
[01:58:31] [SPEAKER_05]: she can work with Rome you to do
[01:58:33] [SPEAKER_05]: certain things together she doesn't
[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_05]: have them but they can do a lot of damage
[01:58:37] [SPEAKER_05]: like she's in a really good position
[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and being in the middle there
[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_05]: when now that we know Asia
[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_05]: is gone Saul is gonna be
[01:58:45] [SPEAKER_05]: looking for anybody
[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_05]: at this point right and knowing
[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_05]: that probably Romeo will be
[01:58:51] [SPEAKER_05]: doing this because we saw it in the
[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_05]: preview but only because we know how he's
[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_05]: been dealing with the alliances
[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_05]: he's very one sided
[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Teenie could capitalize from
[01:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: either way from both sides
[01:59:02] [SPEAKER_05]: so it's a little bit sad that Asia
[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_05]: couldn't you know didn't get that information
[01:59:07] [SPEAKER_05]: super sad for her but
[01:59:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Teenie is in a very good position in this tribe
[01:59:10] [SPEAKER_07]: for sure yeah I just think that
[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Teenie and Keshon thought they were better off
[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_07]: with Rome and his bag of tricks
[01:59:16] [SPEAKER_07]: and if they make it to merge with him
[01:59:18] [SPEAKER_07]: he and they still have
[01:59:20] [SPEAKER_07]: that advantage he may use it
[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_07]: as a group
[01:59:24] [SPEAKER_07]: absolutely if he fails
[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_07]: well then he can be seen as a shield
[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_07]: you know you both talked about
[01:59:30] [SPEAKER_07]: that earlier the smoke screen you know
[01:59:32] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah so either way
[01:59:34] [SPEAKER_07]: it's kind of a win-win for
[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_07]: pair up to keep Rome around
[01:59:38] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah but I look
[01:59:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you said something that is awesome
[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I cannot wait for them
[01:59:43] [SPEAKER_05]: to start looking again for the idol
[01:59:45] [SPEAKER_05]: right like we know like if you use an idol
[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_05]: something comes back
[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_05]: it will be very interesting to see
[01:59:51] [SPEAKER_05]: what happens
[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_05]: finding a whole fine set again
[01:59:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I bet that's what that clip is for
[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I bet Saul is like
[01:59:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm gonna go out and look for the idol leave me alone
[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_07]: and I bet that's where
[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome is saying
[02:00:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't have to leave you alone it's not in the rules
[02:00:07] [SPEAKER_07]: it's a survivor
[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I bet that's what that comes
[02:00:10] [SPEAKER_05]: very likely
[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and I actually hope
[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Saul finds it
[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_05]: because then he kind of changes the dynamics
[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_05]: so give it to me
[02:00:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I want it all
[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_07]: now before we leave this appendix
[02:00:24] [SPEAKER_07]: and indeed the rules overall and move on to our final thoughts
[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I know
[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_07]: our listeners don't need this reminder
[02:00:30] [SPEAKER_07]: especially those who are two hours into this podcast
[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_07]: but
[02:00:34] [SPEAKER_07]: it's something I'm gonna say anyway
[02:00:36] [SPEAKER_07]: maybe pass it along to other people
[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_07]: as much as some of us
[02:00:39] [SPEAKER_07]: are Asia fans
[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_07]: we have to remember
[02:00:43] [SPEAKER_07]: everyone out there was playing their own game
[02:00:45] [SPEAKER_07]: and doing what they believed was best for themselves
[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_07]: and I have heard that people were
[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_07]: sending hate messages
[02:00:53] [SPEAKER_07]: to Teenie and Rome in particular
[02:00:56] [SPEAKER_07]: don't do that
[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah stop it
[02:00:58] [SPEAKER_07]: they were making their own moves they were playing their own games
[02:01:01] [SPEAKER_07]: we like Asia
[02:01:03] [SPEAKER_07]: we don't like that Asia is gone
[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_07]: but you have to allow people
[02:01:07] [SPEAKER_07]: to play their own games
[02:01:08] [SPEAKER_07]: and don't send hate to them
[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah we're human
[02:01:12] [SPEAKER_05]: we're human beings
[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_04]: these are all real people
[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: playing a game for a million dollars
[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's what we have to remind ourselves
[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_04]: that that's what's happening
[02:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: so we can't be sending hate to people it's not okay
[02:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: not okay
[02:01:25] [SPEAKER_07]: alright well it is
[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_07]: time to wrap things up
[02:01:29] [SPEAKER_07]: so Heidi what are your final thoughts on Asia?
[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I said it earlier and I'm gonna repeat it
[02:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: just in case Asia
[02:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: there's no shame in the way you went out
[02:01:41] [SPEAKER_05]: this is a very difficult game
[02:01:43] [SPEAKER_05]: she was given
[02:01:45] [SPEAKER_05]: a set of cards that were very very hard
[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_05]: for her
[02:01:49] [SPEAKER_05]: so I really hope that she gets
[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_05]: all the love from everyone
[02:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: because she deserves it
[02:01:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and I also hope that everyone
[02:01:57] [SPEAKER_05]: else gives love to the rest of the tribe
[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: because this is a game
[02:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: we go there to have fun
[02:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: have an experience and hopefully win it
[02:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: but guess what I only want for some wins it
[02:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and that is okay that's part of the game
[02:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: we are human beings
[02:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so sad to hear there's some hate out there
[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I got it myself and it was like
[02:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm giving this love to people
[02:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: listen we are human beings
[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_05]: so I really really hope to end
[02:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: at least from my end give love to everyone
[02:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: give love to Asia I love her
[02:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I met her and I loved everything about her
[02:02:27] [SPEAKER_05]: so I really hope I get to see her soon as well
[02:02:31] [SPEAKER_07]: all right Jessica
[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: all right
[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: well I do feel like Asia
[02:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: as Heidi said was handed
[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: a very tough stack of
[02:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: cards in this game
[02:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and I really truly believe
[02:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that sometimes
[02:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: there are parts of the survivor universe
[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: that are outside of your control
[02:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and one of those things that is outside
[02:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: of your control is who you end up on a tribe
[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: with right you don't know
[02:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: who you're going to be with and you don't
[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: know if you're going to jive with this
[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: person or not and you don't know
[02:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: how that person is going to affect
[02:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: your game and I do feel like Asia
[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: found herself in a very very
[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: difficult situation because
[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: not only did she have a roam
[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_04]: she also had a roam who had a
[02:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Genevieve and then she had a roam
[02:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: who had a teeny and then she had
[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: a teeny who had a quichon
[02:03:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and then there was she and Saul
[02:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and so it puts you in this
[02:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: spot that you really can only do
[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: so much with and
[02:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: take it from me I'm someone who
[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I drew a rock right I said it on my shirt
[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I got a rock she got a roam
[02:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and unfortunately it's just
[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: let's put it in the next shirt
[02:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: there are just things
[02:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: that are outside of your control
[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and yes we make decisions just as
[02:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I made a decision relative to going to
[02:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: rocks but there are things
[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: that lead you to that decision right
[02:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and there are only so many things that you can control
[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and you can't always control what other people
[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: in this game do and when you have a group of people
[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: that are group think and this is what
[02:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: we're going to do and this is the
[02:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: decision we're making and in my
[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: case it was we're going to go to rocks
[02:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: because this is where we're at
[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and in Asia's world
[02:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: it was well it's really
[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: you or Saul and we have to make this
[02:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: determination we have to decide what we want
[02:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and teeny was really the one that was
[02:04:19] [SPEAKER_04]: controlling all of it and so
[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: unfortunately for Asia
[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: she found herself in a circumstance
[02:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: that she could only do so much
[02:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: with and we've gone through the permutations
[02:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and the what ifs and the possibilities and could have been this
[02:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: could have been that but this is what
[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: she had and this is what she had to play
[02:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: with and so Asia I feel
[02:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: for you I understand again
[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you went in there with a plan and you tried to carry
[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: it through and you did what you could with what you had
[02:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and unfortunately sometimes
[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the survivor gods are not
[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: on our side and we don't
[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: what we want and so unfortunately
[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: as I said you got a
[02:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Rome I got a rock and it sucks and I'm sorry
[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: well said
[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_07]: well I mentioned in the intro
[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_07]: to the rules that Asia came in knowing
[02:05:00] [SPEAKER_07]: how the game could trip people up
[02:05:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and that's why she wanted
[02:05:04] [SPEAKER_07]: to focus on social relationships
[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_07]: from everything we saw it appeared she
[02:05:08] [SPEAKER_07]: really did a great job
[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_07]: with most of them there
[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_07]: the problem was there were still
[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_07]: as you said Jessica some things outside of her control
[02:05:17] [SPEAKER_07]: that even tripped that up
[02:05:19] [SPEAKER_07]: she had a group of four people who
[02:05:22] [SPEAKER_07]: seem to all get along great
[02:05:23] [SPEAKER_07]: they shared opinions on the way Rome was acting
[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_07]: but while social relationships
[02:05:29] [SPEAKER_07]: can and often do lead
[02:05:31] [SPEAKER_07]: to strategic ones
[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_07]: sometimes there are other factors that overwhelm them
[02:05:36] [SPEAKER_07]: and that seemed to be the case here
[02:05:38] [SPEAKER_07]: if the decision had
[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_07]: just been based on social game relationships
[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I think Tini and Kishan would probably have had an easy
[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_07]: choice
[02:05:47] [SPEAKER_07]: but other factors greatly complicated things
[02:05:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Tini and Kishan seemed to try to give Asia a way out
[02:05:52] [SPEAKER_07]: or a way in but
[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_07]: she was in a predicament she couldn't
[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_07]: read Tini and Kishan's minds
[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_07]: were they giving her as she described it a
[02:06:00] [SPEAKER_07]: loyalty test or did they really want to
[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_07]: work with her and have her vote the way
[02:06:05] [SPEAKER_07]: that they wanted to
[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_07]: even though they didn't actually need her to do that
[02:06:09] [SPEAKER_07]: she made her decision and stood firm on being loyal
[02:06:12] [SPEAKER_07]: to her closest ally hoping that would show
[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_07]: that she'd be loyal to them as well
[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_07]: but that was not what they were looking for in this situation
[02:06:21] [SPEAKER_07]: as Asia told Rob it felt like it was out of her hand
[02:06:24] [SPEAKER_07]: because it was up to the middle duo of
[02:06:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Kishan and Tini
[02:06:28] [SPEAKER_07]: and like I said in the appendix A
[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Tini trying to figure out which move was best for them
[02:06:33] [SPEAKER_07]: was the key factor in the whole decision
[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_05]: that's right
[02:06:36] [SPEAKER_07]: in the world of TV and movies and plays
[02:06:39] [SPEAKER_07]: writers are given the advice to show
[02:06:41] [SPEAKER_07]: don't tell
[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_07]: the rock group Rush even had a song by that name
[02:06:46] [SPEAKER_07]: some of the lyrics say who can you believe it's hard to play it safe
[02:06:50] [SPEAKER_07]: but apart from a few good friends
[02:06:53] [SPEAKER_07]: we don't take anything on fate
[02:06:55] [SPEAKER_07]: there were no good friends on survivor
[02:06:57] [SPEAKER_07]: and nobody could take anything on fate
[02:07:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Rome was able to show his loyalty to Tini
[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_07]: by telling them about the beware advantage
[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_07]: clue the box the idol and the vote steal advantage
[02:07:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Asia could only tell and that wasn't her fault
[02:07:13] [SPEAKER_07]: she just had nothing she could show with
[02:07:15] [SPEAKER_07]: until they went to tribal council
[02:07:17] [SPEAKER_07]: where she could show where her loyalty was with her vote
[02:07:20] [SPEAKER_07]: but by then it was too late
[02:07:22] [SPEAKER_07]: the votes were cast
[02:07:24] [SPEAKER_07]: and that is why Asia lost
[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_05]: aww
[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_05]: sad
[02:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: sad send me you love Asia
[02:07:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean she's part of the fact
[02:07:34] [SPEAKER_05]: she was part of a family before
[02:07:36] [SPEAKER_05]: she's more legit part of the family now
[02:07:38] [SPEAKER_07]: hey send me I'm not a legit part of the family
[02:07:40] [SPEAKER_07]: ow
[02:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: no she knows what happens behind the scenes
[02:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: to really now know what it is like to be there
[02:07:48] [SPEAKER_05]: so and she was hungry I'm sure
[02:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: yes
[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_07]: alright well before we get to our predictions for next episode
[02:07:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I want to remind everyone
[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_07]: very quickly here that the rules we just discussed are available on
[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_07]: poster form
[02:08:01] [SPEAKER_07]: poster on a t-shirt form
[02:08:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and checklist form
[02:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you said something about the crack delivery department or something
[02:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: what
[02:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: yes
[02:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: what do you mean
[02:08:10] [SPEAKER_07]: you asked me that the first time I brought it up
[02:08:13] [SPEAKER_07]: and I forgot already
[02:08:15] [SPEAKER_07]: oh my goodness
[02:08:17] [SPEAKER_07]: we're gonna have to have a discussion on offline about our crack
[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_07]: definitely
[02:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: what is happening
[02:08:23] [SPEAKER_07]: so anyway go to
[02:08:26] [SPEAKER_07]: go to rob has a podcast
[02:08:27] [SPEAKER_07]: sorry rob his website that com slash yx lost the to order all of those
[02:08:32] [SPEAKER_07]: otherwise
[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Jessica how can people reach
[02:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: oh well you can certainly look for me on Twitter I am at Jessica Lewis 89
[02:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm also an Instagram at Jessica Lewis 6789
[02:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and I've said this before I still most of my Instagram content
[02:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: from David Bloomberg
[02:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because David Bloomberg has an insane amount of social media presence
[02:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but before I talk about him
[02:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Heidi is that your
[02:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Twitter handle
[02:08:57] [SPEAKER_05]: it's everything everything handle at Heidi like that is and that is
[02:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Twitter Instagram and pretty much everything
[02:09:04] [SPEAKER_05]: so you can find me by Heidi like that is so definitely
[02:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: follow me send me messages
[02:09:09] [SPEAKER_05]: send me messages just about today did you like did you know like what
[02:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: what I said because I would love to talk more
[02:09:15] [SPEAKER_04]: oh I love that and
[02:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: David Bloomberg we know loves to talk right and we know he loves to talk
[02:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: online in every social world that exists online
[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and so he has a link tree
[02:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that allows you to connect with him
[02:09:29] [SPEAKER_04]: in all ways you can imagine so David Bloomberg
[02:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: want to tell about your link tree
[02:09:33] [SPEAKER_07]: yes you could find all my various accounts to my link tree
[02:09:37] [SPEAKER_07]: at link tree slash David Bloomberg with a dot before the E.E.
[02:09:40] [SPEAKER_07]: in link tree
[02:09:42] [SPEAKER_07]: or you could find me directly
[02:09:44] [SPEAKER_07]: on Twitter and blue sky is at David Bloomberg on threads is at David
[02:09:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Bloomberg TV
[02:09:49] [SPEAKER_07]: and at David Bloomberg TV is also my name on YouTube Instagram
[02:09:54] [SPEAKER_07]: and tick tock
[02:09:56] [SPEAKER_07]: where I've been posting lately over the past couple weeks like four
[02:09:59] [SPEAKER_07]: videos per day
[02:10:01] [SPEAKER_07]: sometimes five yesterday was five
[02:10:04] [SPEAKER_07]: right now of course the clips are mostly from survivor and big
[02:10:08] [SPEAKER_07]: brother
[02:10:08] [SPEAKER_07]: big brother is coming to its end
[02:10:11] [SPEAKER_07]: in about 10 days
[02:10:14] [SPEAKER_07]: but you know it'll be filled with there's other shows like
[02:10:17] [SPEAKER_07]: the Traders Canada the circle which also just ended
[02:10:20] [SPEAKER_07]: the anonymous which has a few weeks left
[02:10:22] [SPEAKER_07]: the summit
[02:10:24] [SPEAKER_07]: you know I'll have some from that and other shows that are continually
[02:10:28] [SPEAKER_07]: popping up as well
[02:10:29] [SPEAKER_07]: in addition make sure that you're watching or listening to the big brother
[02:10:34] [SPEAKER_07]: version of why blank lost as
[02:10:37] [SPEAKER_07]: you know big brother 21's Ovi Kabir is my co-host there
[02:10:42] [SPEAKER_07]: we we just recorded
[02:10:44] [SPEAKER_07]: an episode for the fifth place person
[02:10:47] [SPEAKER_07]: a few hours before recording this one
[02:10:50] [SPEAKER_07]: so it's already out there
[02:10:52] [SPEAKER_07]: already available for anyone who wants to watch it
[02:10:55] [SPEAKER_07]: you know we have a little bit more overlap before
[02:10:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm done doing double duty there
[02:11:01] [SPEAKER_07]: but I am also co-hosting the trade our podcast
[02:11:05] [SPEAKER_07]: for the Traders Canada season two
[02:11:08] [SPEAKER_07]: which just had its second week
[02:11:11] [SPEAKER_07]: and I had I was on there hosting with a special guest Sam Smith
[02:11:15] [SPEAKER_07]: from the Traders New Zealand season one
[02:11:18] [SPEAKER_07]: so you could find that anywhere search for trade our that's T R A I D A R
[02:11:25] [SPEAKER_07]: so yes as as you said I am
[02:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: you know busy everywhere
[02:11:31] [SPEAKER_07]: yes busy all over the place
[02:11:33] [SPEAKER_07]: but I'm not too busy for predictions
[02:11:40] [SPEAKER_07]: in the preview
[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_07]: we saw Rome seeming to be
[02:11:44] [SPEAKER_07]: as we said I mean kind of a jerk to solve
[02:11:47] [SPEAKER_07]: who you know asked for a minute alone and Rome said no he doesn't have to
[02:11:52] [SPEAKER_07]: we don't know what leads up to it
[02:11:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I suggested earlier
[02:11:55] [SPEAKER_07]: you know maybe it's he's searching for an idol
[02:11:59] [SPEAKER_07]: and we know that things can be massively out of context
[02:12:02] [SPEAKER_07]: as we saw with the salmon Sierra stuff
[02:12:04] [SPEAKER_07]: on the other tribe
[02:12:08] [SPEAKER_07]: apparently they're Sue and blood everywhere
[02:12:11] [SPEAKER_07]: again completely I know what is this all about
[02:12:14] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I mean she could be cutting a fish
[02:12:16] [SPEAKER_07]: or she could be trying to find Gabe's
[02:12:20] [SPEAKER_07]: re-hidden idol in a bucket of red paint
[02:12:22] [SPEAKER_07]: or something like that we've seen that before
[02:12:24] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah so who knows she could be like
[02:12:27] [SPEAKER_07]: high spreading blood all over herself
[02:12:30] [SPEAKER_07]: you know needing to do that
[02:12:31] [SPEAKER_07]: so yeah we really don't know
[02:12:34] [SPEAKER_07]: none of this is
[02:12:37] [SPEAKER_07]: helpful to go on no helpful exactly
[02:12:39] [SPEAKER_07]: so basically pulling thoughts out of thin air
[02:12:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to say Tuku loses the challenge
[02:12:46] [SPEAKER_07]: and goes back to tribal council
[02:12:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Kyle has no vote
[02:12:49] [SPEAKER_07]: and was already trying to flip things on Gabe
[02:12:52] [SPEAKER_07]: after Gabe had thrown him a life preserver
[02:12:54] [SPEAKER_07]: as we discussed earlier
[02:12:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Sue is almost certain to tell Gabe
[02:12:57] [SPEAKER_07]: about that if she hasn't already
[02:13:00] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know Gabe obviously won't be very happy about that
[02:13:03] [SPEAKER_07]: so I think they just get to take the easy path
[02:13:06] [SPEAKER_07]: and vote out Kyle yeah he's strong in challenges
[02:13:09] [SPEAKER_07]: but they'll probably be like he's trying to turn on us
[02:13:12] [SPEAKER_07]: we don't need that
[02:13:14] [SPEAKER_07]: and if they lose again then they'll vote out Tiana
[02:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: very interesting thing
[02:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I don't know
[02:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: what about you Jessica
[02:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I am just feeling like it's going to be
[02:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: the yellow tribe that's losing
[02:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like we got a lot of interesting
[02:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: segments with them this past episode
[02:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and there was a lot of
[02:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: building of this animosity between Sam and
[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Annika
[02:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and I just I really do feel like that's going to kind of be put to the test
[02:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: because also we have to go back to all of the
[02:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy content that we got right where it was like
[02:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: so heavy Andy the first episode
[02:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and now he's kind of in this redemption phase
[02:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and so I feel like this is just kind of feeding
[02:14:01] [SPEAKER_04]: into that narrative and I think it's going to be Annika
[02:14:03] [SPEAKER_07]: that's my I was debating that was the exact thing
[02:14:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I was debating with was going that route
[02:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: you know she stole my thunder so I feel like
[02:14:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I gotta come up with a different one
[02:14:14] [SPEAKER_07]: well that was your fault you had the opportunity to jump in
[02:14:17] [SPEAKER_07]: and you said Jessica what do you think
[02:14:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I never thought she would say exactly the same
[02:14:23] [SPEAKER_05]: you agree with me that's okay
[02:14:25] [SPEAKER_05]: well but I could come up with an alternate plan
[02:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: because
[02:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: let me say what I was going to say the same thing with
[02:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: as Jessica I was going with a got a
[02:14:36] [SPEAKER_05]: try and I was going to say Annika
[02:14:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like they showed us this in this past
[02:14:42] [SPEAKER_05]: episode for a reason because they're really for what is coming
[02:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: so I was going on it as well
[02:14:48] [SPEAKER_05]: but I could totally see the Tuku
[02:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: tribe also losing
[02:14:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I know
[02:14:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Gabe played the idol and all of that
[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Gabe
[02:14:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Kyle is going to get out of the hole personally
[02:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I maybe because I'm biased I want him to get out of the hole
[02:15:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Gabe could possibly be the one going home
[02:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: he's kind of turning again some of his
[02:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: members of his own tribes
[02:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: he's showing no loyalty to them and somehow
[02:15:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that's going to turn back and you know
[02:15:21] [SPEAKER_05]: go back to him and he may be the one going home next
[02:15:24] [SPEAKER_07]: okay all right so there we have it three different possibilities
[02:15:28] [SPEAKER_07]: there
[02:15:29] [SPEAKER_07]: so as we wrap up I want to encourage people to check out the
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[02:15:47] [SPEAKER_07]: and you know make sure you get all of the survivor content
[02:15:51] [SPEAKER_07]: on RHAP including of course us
[02:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that's right
[02:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: can I thank people now? Yes
[02:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I never, sometimes I'm like okay I think he's done
[02:16:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to thank everyone who does the editing
[02:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: for not only Y Blank Lost but all of the content that you see in the RHAP page
[02:16:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Scott St. Pierre you are fabulous Jessica Sterling you are too
[02:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and all of the team that works with these two editors
[02:16:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and producers we appreciate all of the work that you do
[02:16:18] [SPEAKER_04]: again not just for this show but all of the shows
[02:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: that you can watch listen to but mostly for this show
[02:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: okay mostly for this one I agree
[02:16:27] [SPEAKER_04]: so that's fair that's certainly fair
[02:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so thank you for all of the work that you do we really do appreciate it
[02:16:33] [SPEAKER_04]: especially for our show but anyway so
[02:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Heidi thank you so much for joining us this has been lovely
[02:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: thank you thank you we really love having you it's always
[02:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: so much fun and thank you listeners
[02:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: for hanging in there for two hours and 16 minutes now going on to 17
[02:16:47] [SPEAKER_04]: we appreciate you so much and David Bloomberg
[02:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: thank you for
[02:16:54] [SPEAKER_04]: losing your winner
[02:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: oh
[02:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I love you, I love you, but I mean come on
[02:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: David is always giving me so much
[02:17:05] [SPEAKER_04]: because I'm so never I would never do such a thing
[02:17:08] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know where you're really oh okay
[02:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I believe it's all recorded if we really want to go back
[02:17:13] [SPEAKER_07]: and find it you go find it then
[02:17:15] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I don't believe you Jessica
[02:17:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Jessica got a rock and she got a Romeo
[02:17:20] [SPEAKER_05]: so yeah yeah
[02:17:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I keep saying Romeo
[02:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I love you too
[02:17:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I miss Romeo
[02:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: she got a Rada, she got a Rome
[02:17:32] [SPEAKER_07]: yes thank you Heidi for coming back
[02:17:36] [SPEAKER_07]: to have some fun with us again and it's always great
[02:17:38] [SPEAKER_07]: to have another engineer as we try to figure out the math here
[02:17:42] [SPEAKER_07]: you know and the lawyer was doing more math than we were
[02:17:45] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what's going on
[02:17:47] [SPEAKER_07]: thank you Jessica as always for another great episode
[02:17:50] [SPEAKER_07]: next week we will be back
[02:17:53] [SPEAKER_07]: with Liz Wilcox
[02:17:56] [SPEAKER_07]: my friend Liz
[02:17:58] [SPEAKER_07]: yes we will be having a lot of fun with that
[02:18:02] [SPEAKER_07]: you know again Heidi
[02:18:04] [SPEAKER_07]: thank you so much for joining us
[02:18:07] [SPEAKER_05]: thank you for having me
[02:18:08] [SPEAKER_07]: so until next week we will see everyone
[02:18:13] [SPEAKER_07]: bye
[02:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: we will be back