Why ___ Lost: Survivor 47 Ep 2

In his final words, ___ said his tribe voted him out because they didn’t value winning. Obviously that wasn't the reason, but it highlights that being strong in challenges usually helps keep a player around in this early stage, so how did he overcome that advantage? He said coming into the game that his social game would be his superpower, but did it turn out to be his kryptonite? Special returning guest Lindsay Carmine joins David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis to figure out what went wrong for him. At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why __ Lost.

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[00:01:03] They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how.

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[00:01:28] Welcome back to the survivor edition of Why __Lost.

[00:01:32] I'm David Bloomberg and I want to show you my idol because that's what we do.

[00:01:37] We show everyone everything.

[00:01:40] As a matter of fact, oh look this idol happens to be in the form of a dragon which is 3D printed which my son sells.

[00:01:46] But you know that's just coincidence.

[00:01:48] You know I just want to show you my idol.

[00:01:51] Now as it happens.

[00:01:52] Wait, wait, wait.

[00:01:54] Let me show you mine too.

[00:01:57] I have an idol too.

[00:01:58] I'll show you what I have.

[00:02:00] See we're all sharing.

[00:02:02] That's because, oh look another idol.

[00:02:04] Oh my God, another idol.

[00:02:05] This is amazing.

[00:02:07] We did not plan this but these are the two people that I most trust with that information.

[00:02:15] They are both here with me because joining me as always is Jessica Lewis and we also have special returning guest Lindsey Carmine.

[00:02:22] Yay.

[00:02:24] Thanks for having me guys.

[00:02:26] I'm so excited to be here.

[00:02:28] And I'm so glad that we can all share our secrets so quickly.

[00:02:31] Yes and our idols but here's the thing.

[00:02:33] I had the option to trade this in for a longer lasting idol.

[00:02:38] So here is my bigger and longer lasting dragon idol.

[00:02:45] That's a really good one.

[00:02:46] Ordering one of these things from your son, I definitely do.

[00:02:51] Anyone who wants to know?

[00:02:52] Christmas gifts.

[00:02:56] Yeah, definitely.

[00:02:58] He can make them in Halloween colors.

[00:03:00] You know all sorts of things.

[00:03:02] Good to know.

[00:03:05] I was just showing my idols.

[00:03:06] I didn't intend for it to be a commercial but you know.

[00:03:10] Now we'll talk more about idols in a few minutes.

[00:03:13] I suspect.

[00:03:15] But first I want to talk about t-shirts because of course Lindsey when you were on

[00:03:19] last season we made a bet and I won.

[00:03:23] You're so annoying.

[00:03:24] You're so annoying.

[00:03:28] And as my reward you got me a Jalinsky t-shirt.

[00:03:33] I did, I did.

[00:03:35] Look if I have to buy Jalinsky shirts there's no one else I'd rather purchase it for than you did.

[00:03:40] There that's awesome.

[00:03:43] Yes, yes.

[00:03:43] By all rights I should have worn it last week but I wanted to save it till you'd be on.

[00:03:48] And besides TK is still the first person from his tribe to go.

[00:03:53] And he was the one who went down the new version of sweat versus savvy for his tribe.

[00:03:58] So I think it's very applicable here.

[00:04:02] It fits perfectly, yes.

[00:04:04] Next choice.

[00:04:05] But speaking of t-shirts I've got my Owen shirt on this week.

[00:04:10] He's getting married to one of my favorite human beings ever Sammy next month.

[00:04:15] So in celebration of their upcoming not jewels I'm giving a little shout out to my buddy Owen.

[00:04:20] Very nice.

[00:04:21] Yes, I finally got to meet Sammy in Chicago.

[00:04:26] And yes, she seemed very incredible.

[00:04:29] Owen of course obviously goes without saying.

[00:04:32] Obviously, yes.

[00:04:34] Yeah they're getting married a couple weeks after my other son the non three different.

[00:04:38] So fun.

[00:04:40] Yeah we call Sammy our like 19th cast away like our 19th cast mate.

[00:04:46] So like even when we're doing like group texts and stuff I always include Sammy because she's one of us now.

[00:04:52] Yes, yes.

[00:04:53] Very nice.

[00:04:55] So yeah as I mentioned we hung out in Chicago at the RTP event or quite a lot but that was a few months ago.

[00:05:03] What's new with you?

[00:05:05] Let's see just I was at camp all summer so I lived in the mountains of New Hampshire and I ran the health center there and then I just got back and my daughter started high school.

[00:05:16] My son started middle school so we're dealing with all that and some home patients and I leave on Sunday for vacation for a week.

[00:05:25] I didn't really get a summer vacation because I was working so so yeah so I'm about to go to the beach for a week as long as that sounds awesome.

[00:05:33] I think the hurricane is now like in Kentucky and Ohio last I heard so you know.

[00:05:40] Yeah it hit my parents that like I think like 930 this morning so their power is out right now so yeah you know good times.

[00:05:49] Honestly I think we're getting some of the wind from it already here in Illinois so hopefully the power stays on here.

[00:05:55] Obviously not nearly as strong as it was when it was you know hitting Florida and the other coastal areas so wishing all the best to anyone who might be there.

[00:06:06] Yes for sure.

[00:06:07] Yes.

[00:06:08] So but there's no way to transition out of that so you know this week we're here of course to talk about TK.

[00:06:16] It was pretty obvious to me that he was going for a big chunk of the episode and it was obvious in a different way so last week it was quote unquote obvious that Andy was going but I was like no this is just too obvious.

[00:06:32] This was obvious but in a way that I really felt it was happening.

[00:06:39] It's hard to explain just all the reasons were being laid out there you know for us to gather and and you know put into this podcast.

[00:06:50] Yes I think you will be explaining it.

[00:06:52] Yes and yes we need to explain that because in many ways he's not a typical first boot you know with as physically strong as you are.

[00:07:06] So of course to figure it out we'll compare his game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews

[00:07:19] social media and secret scenes.

[00:07:21] The newest version of the rules can be found by going to our dedicated page at Rob has website.com slash yx plus feed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules.

[00:07:30] But before we address how TK did in terms of those rules.

[00:07:35] We always have some other things to discuss from the episode.

[00:07:38] So let's start with Rome.

[00:07:40] Rome Rome Rome so much Rome.

[00:07:43] Or rather here's my little Rome rock.

[00:07:46] Little Rome rock is joining us this evening.

[00:07:50] And and Rome is so much.

[00:07:53] Now he is he is the funniest part of all of that to me was him talking about how he could have he felt he could have played pro basketball and Asia is just sitting next to him and throws in this little casual jab like oh why weren't you drafted and he just keeps right on going.

[00:08:12] Oh well I stopped playing in high school.

[00:08:14] I don't even think he realized like poking at him there.

[00:08:18] I don't think Rome would would realize any of that because he really is so Rome centered that it wouldn't matter it would just like you saw just roll right off of him because it's just more things for him to continue to talk about right.

[00:08:34] So someone's listening to me I'm going to keep talking it was thoroughly enjoyable and I truly appreciate it and he was talking about podcasting which was that was well yes very very entertaining for sure.

[00:08:47] Yes first mention of the on fire podcast on survivor itself you know and and yes the look on her face when he was talking about live podcasted before it just made me laugh so hard that I had to make my first YouTube short of the episode that you know that moment.

[00:09:07] I love that he has done everything he really has.

[00:09:11] It's very like Debbie ask right it's like Debbie of the new era and we all have somebody in our life that's like that right.

[00:09:21] And and it's manageable because you get it in like small spurts and then you go home and then you go out to dinner a couple weeks later and then you see them in a game so yeah it's kind of spread out I have to imagine and then and Tini said at best she's like you know when when

[00:09:40] you're dealing with it from sun up to sundown it's not something that you can avoid it's not something that you can get away with I mean to get away from.

[00:09:49] Combine that with like just the basic irritation that you have because you haven't eaten you haven't had a proper night of sleep.

[00:09:56] So like your your tolerance level is is very low.

[00:10:02] So yeah I can definitely I feel like it would be so fun to just kind of feed the flames a little bit because it's going to take away to start the flames you know but that's true.

[00:10:14] I mean though he knows how to start a fire but he doesn't know how to start fire 16 seconds you know that was one of the funniest lines it really was when was it that actually started the fire.

[00:10:26] Kishan and when he was like I started fire.

[00:10:32] So great because he was just so like just like yeah look at me.

[00:10:37] Yeah, hilarious great editing thought it was fantastic but I do think that if if I were with Rome I would I would want to use that as a distraction because it's almost like the more focus is on someone else the less focus is on what you're doing and what someone

[00:10:53] is doing and you could always you could always like turn the conversation back to Rome because all you have to do is ask Rome something about himself and Rome's going to start talking about it and it will just distract everyone from what's actually going on I think it would be a fantastic opportunity to utilize on a tribe.

[00:11:09] Yeah.

[00:11:10] Yeah.

[00:11:10] And when you when you come across people that do tend to talk about themselves. It's very easy to stroke their ego and like yeah something that's very important when you're out there.

[00:11:25] When you're giving someone your attention and they feel like they're being heard that makes people feel really really good inside.

[00:11:33] So I kind of like applauding when they open the coke.

[00:11:35] Oh my God.

[00:11:38] I mean that's a perfect example.

[00:11:41] And even like I suggest to anybody always rewatch these episodes you catch so much that you have that's the first time around just for example the the fire making scene I didn't pick up on everything the first time around I was in a loud bar but on the rewatch I was like this is casting gold like can you

[00:12:02] imagine just being in the editing bay and all of a sudden that footage like just yes you know it's dropped in your lap you're like it's Christmas.

[00:12:12] Yes.

[00:12:13] Yes I do love when they have those moments with the editing where they can take something that seems so simple and and small and just turn it into such a great little story arc for just that moment really really incredible so I do appreciate the editing and the way that they're putting things like that together.

[00:12:30] And these are some of the things we get from 90 minute shows.

[00:12:34] Yes.

[00:12:35] A lot of this would have been left on the cutting room floor with our shows.

[00:12:38] This is one reason I love this you know these these little moments that are so much fun and show some of the relationships there.

[00:12:46] And it really I was watching this episode in particular feeling like wow I feel like there's so much content that I was almost lost in and how long we had actually been in to the show before we were finally getting to like an actual immunity challenge.

[00:13:02] It was like there was so much happening with every tribe and we were getting so much good information.

[00:13:09] I really do enjoy that so much because I feel like I'm learning more about the individual players and also appreciating those small little moments and the things that like you said David we would have missed otherwise.

[00:13:22] Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:24] Now of course part of all of this room was him deciding to tell teeny about his idol, which surprised even teeny this snowballed into a slapstick comedy where teeny told Kishan and they went to visit the box just have room walk right up to them.

[00:13:43] I mean this was literally out of a sitcom.

[00:13:45] Amazing.

[00:13:46] Now, I have to imagine that teeny also told Asia and soul Saul.

[00:13:53] So probably everybody on the tribe now knows about his one tribal council idol.

[00:13:59] And I know my prediction for this week didn't come true, but it lends credence to what I was thinking, which is when they do go.

[00:14:07] I think Genevieve is going to end up being the victim because of Rome's idol.

[00:14:14] Genevieve.

[00:14:16] Why? Because you think she's going to be the backup vote? You think they're going to go for Rome? Rome's going to play his idol?

[00:14:22] I don't even think they'll bother going for him. They know it's a one time. They know he's going to play it.

[00:14:27] So, I mean it seems like although we didn't really see it in this episode, it seems like Genevieve is well, I would have thought his number two apparently teeny was his number two.

[00:14:39] We just didn't know.

[00:14:41] But like in the secret scene last week when Saul went to him and said, hey, some people are worried about you.

[00:14:51] And Rome took it the wrong way. He went and complained to Genevieve, which made me think, oh, okay.

[00:15:00] And Genevieve was the one who was trying to create before ahead of time while Asia was still out getting their supplies.

[00:15:07] And so that's why I thought that Genevieve and Rome were tight.

[00:15:14] But also I really think that the true core for is Asia, teeny, Kishan and Saul.

[00:15:24] And so I think if you can't go after Rome, who's left?

[00:15:28] But you can go after Rome. And here's this is how I think it would go down.

[00:15:33] I think they go to Genevieve and they say, you're going down with a sinking ship.

[00:15:40] You can either partner with Rome or you can partner with us.

[00:15:44] We're going to make Rome think that he's safe and tell him you're the vote when he's the vote.

[00:15:52] Or we can tell him that Genevieve is the vote and get Rome to maybe play the idol on Genevieve.

[00:15:58] And then they can flush the idol and get him out.

[00:16:02] I think he's just going to play it on himself.

[00:16:04] Yeah, you really do?

[00:16:06] I do.

[00:16:07] Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know.

[00:16:10] Well, actually, yeah, it's interesting because, you know, the next topic that I have listed here to talk about is game in the idol.

[00:16:20] So I think this leads nicely into it because, you know, we had Gabe showing Caroline the idol.

[00:16:27] Now, I do have to say his use of the idol to cement trust with her actually did work at least for now.

[00:16:34] It's something we frequently hear people talk about, but it rarely seems to work out for them.

[00:16:39] But in this case, he was like, I want to be in an alliance with you.

[00:16:42] And she was like, hmm, sounds sketchy, which is a little too honest for my take.

[00:16:46] But okay, she's like, hmm, sounds sketchy.

[00:16:49] And he's like, but look, I have an idol and she's like, oh, well, then I will align with you.

[00:16:58] Okay.

[00:16:59] Yeah.

[00:16:59] And so, you know, that actually did work in that case.

[00:17:06] But then he used it anyway in the first tribal council.

[00:17:12] And so now that any target that may have come from it isn't on him, plus the way he used it was interesting because it seems like he did it to try to protect himself in case of a sorry, Jessica Rockdraugh.

[00:17:28] Yes.

[00:17:29] You know, if Tiana hadn't gone with his side may have the ties, so he didn't have to worry.

[00:17:34] Plus then, of course, everybody would know the other chance that the other side would have a larger chance of losing someone, making it more likely that someone would flip.

[00:17:43] Now none of that happened.

[00:17:45] But amazing gameplay.

[00:17:47] I will say that if he ended up, if that was his plan, which I believe it was as well, that he really is like the star of this episode as far as I'm concerned because of all of the things that he was able to maneuver

[00:18:02] and put into motion and then utilizing the idol in the way that he did.

[00:18:07] I really do feel like Gabe is the driving force that got us to where TK ended up going home because he did everything he needed to do in order to solidify the vote the way that he needed it to go.

[00:18:22] I was very impressed.

[00:18:23] I know we're going to talk through why TK was voted out, but I really do have to credit Gabe with just phenomenal gameplay.

[00:18:30] Yeah.

[00:18:31] And this is where it gets to the point, going back to what you were saying, Lindsay, about, you know, would Rome play it on someone else?

[00:18:40] Because some people questioned why didn't Gabe just play it on Sue?

[00:18:44] I think we have to remember they came into this game after just having seen literally before they got on the plane.

[00:18:51] They saw like five people get voted out in a row with an idol in their pocket.

[00:18:56] So can you imagine having an idol playing in a room?

[00:19:00] And you're going to get it for the person you believe is the target on your side and getting blindsided in your very first tribal council, much like you were just saying, no, thank you.

[00:19:11] I'm going the safe route every time.

[00:19:13] Now, Rome and me, maybe not the same people, but I would do that.

[00:19:18] I think, you know, I think Rome is playing it on himself.

[00:19:21] And Rome would want his moment, right?

[00:19:24] Because Rome would want to turn that into like, look what I did.

[00:19:28] I played this idol regardless of whether or not they were going to be voting for him because he's going to turn it into something about Rome, right?

[00:19:36] That, oh, I did this and I tricked them and whatever.

[00:19:40] I mean, he's just going to make it very Romesque.

[00:19:42] So I do think that he's going to play it on himself regardless of what's going on because he wants to have that moment to get up there and show everybody.

[00:19:51] Even though everyone knows he has it, he wants to make a show of it.

[00:19:56] Okay.

[00:19:57] Yeah.

[00:19:58] I disagree.

[00:19:59] I think that he's the type of person that other people could convince that he's safe.

[00:20:06] So why don't we make another little bet?

[00:20:09] Oh, because I really want to why I'm like lost T-shirt.

[00:20:16] Yes.

[00:20:17] It's time for me to give, I will gift Jessica any survivor shirt she wants if I'm wrong.

[00:20:24] But if I'm right, you guys have to send me the white, why, like lost and then have the rules underneath it.

[00:20:32] Is that a deal?

[00:20:33] So you want the check.

[00:20:33] The poster, the checklist.

[00:20:36] I want the checklist.

[00:20:37] Okay.

[00:20:38] The checklist in white.

[00:20:39] I will have to shop for my T-shirt and let you know which one I would prefer.

[00:20:44] Okay.

[00:20:44] David did the same thing.

[00:20:46] So here's the bet.

[00:20:49] If they go to tribal council and Rome does not play his idol or does not play the idol on himself, I get a wide-length lost T-shirt.

[00:20:59] If he ends up playing the idol on himself, then I have to buy you a T-shirt.

[00:21:06] Okay.

[00:21:08] We can do this.

[00:21:08] Does it have to be this next, like, do they have to go to tribal council and have to read it?

[00:21:13] The next time.

[00:21:14] The next time.

[00:21:14] When they go to tribal council.

[00:21:16] I love this.

[00:21:17] This is great.

[00:21:18] I'm getting myself a T-shirt out of this.

[00:21:20] Come on, Rome.

[00:21:22] Make me a winner.

[00:21:23] You're my winner.

[00:21:24] Rob your room rock.

[00:21:26] Yeah, you were talking about Rome having a moment.

[00:21:30] I'm like, would that be a Roman?

[00:21:32] A moment?

[00:21:33] Ooh, I like that.

[00:21:36] Hashtag Roman.

[00:21:37] This isn't happening.

[00:21:40] All right.

[00:21:40] Now, speaking of.

[00:21:45] Sorry, Jessica, the rock drop.

[00:21:47] I did have to laugh at Sue repeatedly saying, I'm willing to go to rocks.

[00:21:55] Yeah, whatever, Sue.

[00:21:56] Mighty generous of you since you're one of the people who's going to be safe.

[00:22:00] Yeah.

[00:22:01] Thanks, Sue.

[00:22:02] Appreciate you putting yourself out there like that.

[00:22:04] Come on, go to rocks.

[00:22:06] I'm willing to risk your game.

[00:22:08] Let's go.

[00:22:09] Let's have a tie everyone that I'll be safe.

[00:22:12] Yes.

[00:22:13] It was, it was a very.

[00:22:15] Sad time for me to sit on my couch and reflect on my moment with the,

[00:22:20] my.

[00:22:21] Romance.

[00:22:24] With the rocks.

[00:22:25] Yeah.

[00:22:26] But yes, I, yes, I can, I can appreciate.

[00:22:30] Her push for it because obviously it is to her benefit.

[00:22:34] And that's the same thing that Zeke was doing.

[00:22:36] Zeke was pushing for it because he knew he's like, this will be great.

[00:22:39] If we go to rocks, I'm safe.

[00:22:41] So yes, I mean, she's clearly taking a note from Zeke's gameplay on that as well.

[00:22:47] So yeah, I mean, good for her for realizing that and pushing it,

[00:22:51] but then also good for Gabe for realizing I need to also assure my safety

[00:22:55] for all of this.

[00:22:56] And I'm going to play the idol on myself.

[00:23:00] All right.

[00:23:00] Finally, before we get to the rules,

[00:23:01] I want to address Rachel's attempt at stealing rice.

[00:23:04] And yes, I know a lot of people have said Jeff should have let her do it.

[00:23:10] Yeah.

[00:23:11] Okay.

[00:23:12] I'm going to take the opposite view.

[00:23:14] Oh, I'm with Lindsay.

[00:23:16] Well, Jessica, you should, you should be with me on this.

[00:23:20] Okay.

[00:23:20] And let me explain why.

[00:23:21] Okay.

[00:23:22] Because I can totally understand why Jeff said no.

[00:23:24] First of all,

[00:23:25] it would have turned into a free for all for the future.

[00:23:28] Yeah.

[00:23:28] Everybody would be.

[00:23:29] The rice was there as a prop for the challenge.

[00:23:33] Now there's a food reward.

[00:23:35] So we previously said Subaya should not have been able to use the

[00:23:39] tribal council fire to melt her candlelight.

[00:23:42] Because that's a prop.

[00:23:44] That's not a fire that she started herself.

[00:23:47] And so, you know,

[00:23:50] therefore using that same logic,

[00:23:53] I agree that Rachel or I think that Rachel should not have been

[00:23:56] allowed to take challenge rice as a reward.

[00:23:59] The fact that production sometimes makes bad decisions such as

[00:24:04] allowing Subaya to melt the candle.

[00:24:07] Doesn't mean they should have done it here too.

[00:24:09] So I'm sorry to be a party pooper.

[00:24:11] I'm sorry to take the contradictory.

[00:24:13] I'm sorry to be such a rules guy,

[00:24:16] but I'm also not.

[00:24:18] Well, I can understand that.

[00:24:20] Go ahead, Lindsay.

[00:24:21] No, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[00:24:23] Okay.

[00:24:24] So if you look at it as like it becomes a free for all,

[00:24:28] you then look at like production will then be hesitant next time to

[00:24:32] use rice and a challenge because of that.

[00:24:35] Then you start thinking, all right, well,

[00:24:36] if she gets to take rice,

[00:24:38] there are times in a challenge where I'm in tying knots.

[00:24:41] Does that mean that I get to take the rope or I remember

[00:24:44] production was not happy with me because the day of my vote

[00:24:48] out, I took ribbons and I had taken them from like our tribe

[00:24:51] flag and I put them in my hair and like production was kind

[00:24:54] of annoyed with me for doing that.

[00:24:56] I took everything.

[00:24:58] Yeah, so I think David's right.

[00:25:01] It does open a can of worms and it creates a production nightmare,

[00:25:05] but I think from a TV viewer standpoint,

[00:25:09] it was really, really smart and it would have been really,

[00:25:11] really fun, especially because it was Rachel, you know,

[00:25:14] like of all the people on the cast,

[00:25:16] like she seems like one of the like rule followers and she's

[00:25:19] very soft spoken and you know,

[00:25:21] you don't think that that would come from her and the fact

[00:25:24] that there she was just like shoving it down.

[00:25:26] I mean,

[00:25:27] Well, I still think it made a great TV moment because

[00:25:30] I think it made a great TV moment.

[00:25:33] But I do feel like I could see the slippery slope happening

[00:25:37] where if you allow it this once,

[00:25:39] but we've had this discussion a lot on this podcast about

[00:25:44] production making rules about things so people know what

[00:25:48] they can and can't do.

[00:25:49] And we did talk about whether or not she should have been able

[00:25:52] to utilize the fire to melt down the.

[00:25:57] Idol thing that you know, the idol candle that she had.

[00:26:00] And so I do think it's interesting that production

[00:26:05] kind they can pick and choose right?

[00:26:07] It's really up to it's really up to production where they

[00:26:09] can decide what it is they want to put their foot

[00:26:12] down and go, you can do this or you can't do that.

[00:26:14] And this is a discussion that we've had about a number

[00:26:17] of things that have happened on the show.

[00:26:19] And I do think that there is some.

[00:26:25] There's something here where production could have said,

[00:26:29] well, now that's really creative and we didn't think

[00:26:31] that someone was going to do that and let it go.

[00:26:34] But then say, listen,

[00:26:35] we know that this happened at the last one not happening

[00:26:38] again.

[00:26:39] And it would give it would give production the opportunity

[00:26:42] to say, we'll enjoy this moment because you were

[00:26:44] creative and you thought about it.

[00:26:46] Yeah, it's very much like the rice negotiation.

[00:26:48] Right?

[00:26:48] Like that I think was something that was organic

[00:26:52] and just happened where all of a sudden we had people

[00:26:54] negotiating for rice with Jeff.

[00:26:57] And then that's become a thing, right?

[00:26:59] Where now people think that they can negotiate for rice.

[00:27:02] And so I'm more of the mindset like let's welcome

[00:27:05] that as an opportunity for creativity but still allow

[00:27:10] production to say whether or not we're going to

[00:27:12] allow this in the future and get involved.

[00:27:14] And we've seen them go both ways on this.

[00:27:17] So I think great on her for trying to be creative

[00:27:20] and come up with something.

[00:27:22] And I am someone who I've said multiple clients.

[00:27:24] I took everything you can imagine.

[00:27:25] I was a little bit of a hoarder and it might have

[00:27:28] included something that we use as a challenge,

[00:27:30] but I just wanted to take it home.

[00:27:32] So, you know, I mean, it's just nobody knew

[00:27:34] and it's fine.

[00:27:35] It's tucked away in my closet, Lindsay.

[00:27:37] We were talking about it.

[00:27:40] And now I'll be in trouble because they'll be like,

[00:27:43] what did she take?

[00:27:43] It doesn't matter.

[00:27:44] But I'm just saying, you know, that there are things

[00:27:47] that there are moments that production should definitely

[00:27:50] get involved.

[00:27:51] And then there are other moments where, you know,

[00:27:54] maybe you let someone be creative with the game

[00:27:57] that they're playing.

[00:27:58] Yeah, I suspect because people were like,

[00:28:00] well, where's the rule that says she can't do it?

[00:28:02] I'm pretty sure there's a rule that says

[00:28:05] you can't take stuff from challenges.

[00:28:07] Because otherwise people would be grabbing machetes

[00:28:09] and knives and whatever else is out there

[00:28:13] that could be useful at camp.

[00:28:15] Yeah, I think what it really boils down to

[00:28:17] is people are just afraid to do anything.

[00:28:20] That's it.

[00:28:21] That's what it is.

[00:28:22] They are just...

[00:28:23] And I feel like as the seasons progress,

[00:28:25] people are getting more and more ambitious

[00:28:27] and willing to push the envelope

[00:28:29] and do things that they're not supposed to.

[00:28:31] I know that I was so afraid

[00:28:34] going into tribal council about where I had to sit

[00:28:39] and they were very strict about this is where you're sitting

[00:28:42] and they would go around with a little diagram.

[00:28:44] This is where you're sitting, you're sitting here,

[00:28:45] you're sitting here.

[00:28:46] And so it was like I was glued to that spot

[00:28:48] and then had the next season also and someone got up

[00:28:51] and I was like, oh my gosh, someone got out of their seat.

[00:28:54] And I was like, what are they going to do?

[00:28:56] And now it's like pandemonium, right?

[00:28:58] Because everybody gets out of their seat.

[00:29:00] So that's another example of production being like

[00:29:03] this is where you sit and that's it

[00:29:05] and you have to stay here and that's what's happening.

[00:29:07] And you're like, but I need to talk to that person over there

[00:29:09] but I can't because I'm sitting here.

[00:29:11] Now that doesn't exist anymore.

[00:29:13] So I think I feel like production saw that

[00:29:15] and what boy, this is a good time.

[00:29:17] This makes tribal council that much more exciting.

[00:29:19] We're going to let people move if they want.

[00:29:21] And so I do feel like that there are certain things

[00:29:23] that they might give a little bit

[00:29:25] but they can still pull back if they need to.

[00:29:27] Right, right.

[00:29:28] Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that

[00:29:29] because Jeff, a common theme that you hear him talk about

[00:29:33] is this is our game, right?

[00:29:35] There's so many different ways that like

[00:29:37] we create the rules out there.

[00:29:40] And I can't tell you how many times I would look at a producer

[00:29:43] behind the camera and I'd be like, can I do that?

[00:29:45] And they're like, just, you know,

[00:29:47] I don't know try it and we'll see what happens.

[00:29:50] Yeah.

[00:29:50] In the same breath, I remember like

[00:29:53] they were very strict about the way

[00:29:55] that we would walk into challenges

[00:29:56] and they're like, you know,

[00:29:57] they would call it like this warrior walk

[00:29:59] and like if we did the warrior walk right

[00:30:00] then we were celebrated and we were the favorite tribe

[00:30:02] and you guys had the best warrior walk.

[00:30:04] Yeah, good one.

[00:30:06] And you want to be those people

[00:30:09] and then you don't do the warrior walk right

[00:30:11] and you hear about it

[00:30:13] and you don't want to disappoint production.

[00:30:15] You don't want to be the person that pauses something

[00:30:18] or creates a delay in anything.

[00:30:21] You just don't want to be the problem child, right?

[00:30:23] And so I think trying to find that balance

[00:30:26] is very tricky out there.

[00:30:31] All right, well, yes.

[00:30:33] There were of course other things going on.

[00:30:36] No, we're good.

[00:30:39] You know, I'll be putting some of them

[00:30:41] on my YouTube shorts at David Bloomberg TV.

[00:30:44] But before we get to how John did,

[00:30:45] we do want to, John, how TK did.

[00:30:48] TK.

[00:30:49] Still thinking back an extra week there.

[00:30:53] What's really was driving me crazy.

[00:30:55] I have to tell you is we had TK this week

[00:30:58] on Survivor and last week

[00:31:00] on Big Brother was TKOR.

[00:31:02] Oh, and so, oh my God, my notes were.

[00:31:06] Yeah.

[00:31:08] So I want to mention that the rules were about to discuss

[00:31:11] coming a shorter and much more colorful version

[00:31:14] in poster form.

[00:31:16] You can go to Rob his website.com

[00:31:18] slash YXlustfeed scroll down to the poster,

[00:31:21] click on it, order it

[00:31:22] and our shipping department will get it right out to you.

[00:31:26] That's right.

[00:31:27] You can also keep scrolling,

[00:31:29] find the poster on a T-shirt

[00:31:31] or the T-shirt that Lindsay wants,

[00:31:34] which is the check.

[00:31:37] And again, I want or that Jessica will be sending me shortly.

[00:31:41] I'm just going to have to wait

[00:31:43] because I'm going to be T-shirt shopping.

[00:31:46] Okay, fair.

[00:31:47] So again, that's Rob has a website.com

[00:31:50] slash YXlustfeed.

[00:31:53] All right.

[00:31:54] Well, it is final words.

[00:31:55] TK said his tribe voted him out

[00:31:57] because they don't value winning.

[00:32:00] Something tells me that was not the real reason they did it,

[00:32:03] but it does point to the fact that usually being a strong

[00:32:05] challenge competitor helps keep you around in this early stage.

[00:32:09] So he or the others had to do something to overcome that.

[00:32:14] When we look at TK's own words,

[00:32:15] both in the game and after it,

[00:32:17] we'll be able to figure out everything that went wrong with him.

[00:32:20] At RHAP, we know survivor and we know why TK lost.

[00:32:26] Look at this.

[00:32:28] Working that in there.

[00:32:30] The first and most important rule is to scheme and plot.

[00:32:34] And it seemed like TK understood this.

[00:32:36] He talked about wanting to have a strong three to go through the game.

[00:32:41] And at first this puzzled a lot of viewers because of course you

[00:32:44] need four to get through the first boat,

[00:32:46] but I'm pretty sure he was talking like three long term.

[00:32:49] And in his interviews,

[00:32:50] he talked about how the fourth person,

[00:32:52] whether it was Gabe or someone else was Frank.

[00:32:55] He was more of a loose end.

[00:32:56] So of course he had Kyle and thought he had Tiana as well,

[00:32:59] along with Gabe,

[00:33:00] but he also did some things that don't make much sense to me

[00:33:04] when it comes to Gabe just from his interviews because he said

[00:33:08] his goal was to get Gabe to play his idol.

[00:33:11] So he kept pushing in that regard telling Mike Bloom.

[00:33:14] He said things like, Hey, people are saying they're not

[00:33:17] really getting a good vibes from you.

[00:33:19] Hey man, they're saying you got an idol.

[00:33:21] Everybody knows about it.

[00:33:22] I don't know, man.

[00:33:23] Maybe you might want to think about playing it.

[00:33:26] He was purposely trying to scare him into playing it,

[00:33:29] but the part I don't get is how this lined up with also saying

[00:33:33] they were a solid four because if they had four,

[00:33:36] it didn't matter if anyone was saying anything about his idol.

[00:33:40] These two lines of strategy were at cross purposes.

[00:33:44] Well, and did he know that his idol was only good?

[00:33:49] His was a three, I believe.

[00:33:51] Oh, his is a three.

[00:33:53] Okay.

[00:33:53] So I have to be mindful of that too.

[00:33:55] He did the extra boxes within the box.

[00:33:58] He did the extra boxes and then used it at one anyway.

[00:34:00] But yeah.

[00:34:03] Interesting.

[00:34:04] Yeah.

[00:34:04] No, I do think that there was a lot of things that TK did

[00:34:07] that like on the surface felt right.

[00:34:10] You're like, okay, yet he's come to play.

[00:34:13] He wants a scheme in plot.

[00:34:15] He's got his plans of how he's going to do this.

[00:34:17] But then it was like the follow through,

[00:34:20] the follow through really didn't seem to jive with what he was

[00:34:24] hoping to do.

[00:34:25] It was more of like a, it was almost as if like I have a plan

[00:34:30] and that plan will happen because I said it was going to

[00:34:33] happen and this is my plan.

[00:34:35] But getting there is not the best method.

[00:34:39] You know, you want to have a solid core.

[00:34:41] You want people to work with you, but then you're making

[00:34:44] them, you're frustrating them with things you're saying.

[00:34:48] You're not pretending and I know we're going to get to there.

[00:34:51] You know that point as well, but there were like extra steps

[00:34:54] that needed to be taken besides having this like idea.

[00:34:58] Like I have a concept of the plan, but I have to carry out

[00:35:02] that plan.

[00:35:03] And that's where I think he was lacking is the follow

[00:35:06] through in order to bring these things fruition.

[00:35:10] Yeah.

[00:35:11] I think he was like you guys said, he was doing a great

[00:35:15] job scheming and plotting.

[00:35:16] I think what he wasn't factoring in, and I think we see this a

[00:35:22] lot, especially like it happened in my season on give you guys

[00:35:25] an example in a second, but he wasn't factoring in the

[00:35:29] Gabe, Sue and Caroline alliance.

[00:35:33] And you know, he, I noticed in a lot of his like exit

[00:35:38] interviews, you know, he just kept saying, I just didn't

[00:35:41] realize they were a pair.

[00:35:42] I never saw them talking.

[00:35:43] I never heard Gabe talk strategy.

[00:35:46] He was always like off on his own.

[00:35:48] I see a lot of similarities of Gabe and Ryan and that aspect.

[00:35:53] I think Gabe and Ryan had totally different strategic

[00:35:57] games and we can get into that later, but if, if somebody's

[00:36:02] not talking strategy to you, it's not that they're not

[00:36:04] talking strategy.

[00:36:06] It's just not to you and I remember.

[00:36:09] And it doesn't matter who is out there.

[00:36:12] Do not underestimate.

[00:36:14] People are always talking and I remember going up to Ryan

[00:36:17] and it was like getting towards like day nine.

[00:36:22] We had been winning challenges and I was like, Ryan's the

[00:36:25] only person I haven't talked strategy to.

[00:36:27] I have to have this conversation with him.

[00:36:29] And so I started talking about it and Ryan's like, you

[00:36:32] know what, Lindsay?

[00:36:32] Let's just keep the positive vibes flowing.

[00:36:34] We're doing great.

[00:36:35] We're winning.

[00:36:36] We don't need to have this conversation until we need to

[00:36:38] have this conversation.

[00:36:39] And I underestimated that because he was off similar to Gabe

[00:36:45] like having his Tarzan moments and, and going off for long

[00:36:48] periods of time and stuff.

[00:36:50] I honestly just thought, okay, Ryan's like, he's playing

[00:36:53] checkers.

[00:36:54] We're all playing chess and no, it was me playing

[00:36:56] checkers.

[00:36:57] Ryan was playing chess.

[00:36:58] It wasn't Ryan was a talking strategy.

[00:36:59] It wasn't to me.

[00:37:01] And, um, and for any future players out there, like

[00:37:04] you guys have got to remember this people are talking

[00:37:07] whether you see it or not.

[00:37:08] There are so many conversations that are happening that you

[00:37:13] have no idea about.

[00:37:14] And you think you got eyes and ears on everybody and you

[00:37:16] know where people are at all times.

[00:37:18] You don't like, you just don't.

[00:37:21] So just know that if people aren't having conversations

[00:37:23] with you, they're having conversations with someone

[00:37:25] else and your number one job, if you can't get those

[00:37:28] people to have strategic conversations with you, you

[00:37:31] got to find out who they are talking to.

[00:37:33] So yeah, this was, uh, you know, very similar to what

[00:37:36] we said about John, uh, when Jake was on last week, you

[00:37:39] know, Jake, of course, famously was upset.

[00:37:42] People weren't playing and, and, and, you know, John,

[00:37:45] I think John to this day based on his interviews still

[00:37:49] does not realize this point.

[00:37:51] Yeah.

[00:37:51] You know, and he's not listening to this podcast.

[00:37:54] Unfortunately, you know, um, he, he left the game

[00:37:58] thinking people weren't talking strategy and he

[00:38:00] did his interviews saying people weren't talking

[00:38:02] to, yes, they were John.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] They just weren't talking to you.

[00:38:06] Yeah.

[00:38:06] Right.

[00:38:06] And so, yeah, I mean in TK's mind, he said on the

[00:38:10] show his game plan was working flawlessly.

[00:38:13] Gabe, he said, Gabe will do whatever I need him

[00:38:16] to do.

[00:38:18] No, Gabe is not your chess piece or your checkers

[00:38:21] piece.

[00:38:21] The big problem was as you said, Gabe had a

[00:38:25] completely secret alliance he didn't know about

[00:38:27] and then added in, you know, Caroline to Sue.

[00:38:32] TK had zero idea of this had happened.

[00:38:34] He, he even tried to get Caroline to vote out

[00:38:38] Gabe so it would ensure that she would work with

[00:38:42] them after a tribal council where they

[00:38:44] presumably voted off Sue actually.

[00:38:47] And he also said that he also told Dalton Ross

[00:38:51] he had a long talk early in the morning, the

[00:38:54] day of tribal council where they said they'd

[00:38:56] love to work with each other him and Caroline.

[00:38:58] He said, I think if we had had that conversation

[00:39:00] two days earlier, maybe there was something

[00:39:03] there.

[00:39:03] But at that point she was so locked in with Sue

[00:39:05] there was no way to pull her out of that.

[00:39:07] Now, we obviously don't know if she would

[00:39:09] have gone along with him if he'd come earlier,

[00:39:11] but it goes to emphasize both what you were

[00:39:14] just saying, Lindsay, and also one of the

[00:39:16] points of this rule which specifically says

[00:39:18] from the very beginning you have to start

[00:39:20] making alliances and cement relationships.

[00:39:23] And I do mean the very beginning.

[00:39:25] He waited too long with her.

[00:39:28] Yeah, and the other thing too that I think is

[00:39:29] interesting is his idea that Gabe would have

[00:39:31] done anything that I told him to do.

[00:39:33] But at the same time he's talking about how

[00:39:36] well I can't trust Gabe because Gabe is

[00:39:39] running around doing all of these things

[00:39:41] and he's being sneaky.

[00:39:43] So again it's like, well which is it?

[00:39:44] Is it Gabe is going to do anything you want

[00:39:46] or you can't trust him?

[00:39:48] And it didn't really seem to make sense

[00:39:51] with the approach he was taking with Gabe

[00:39:54] and then what he was telling other people about

[00:39:56] Gabe and what he was trying to attempt to

[00:39:58] get Gabe to do because if Gabe is going

[00:40:00] to do anything that you want, then playing

[00:40:02] the idol shouldn't have taken such

[00:40:04] time and energy and convincing

[00:40:06] if you think Gabe is just going to do

[00:40:08] anything you want anyway.

[00:40:09] So there was a lot of things that just

[00:40:11] didn't seem to line up with his ideas

[00:40:14] and then the actual carrying out

[00:40:16] of those ideas.

[00:40:18] All right, I'm going to defend TK

[00:40:20] for a second.

[00:40:21] Is there a chance that

[00:40:23] the things that he was saying

[00:40:26] the timeline doesn't match up

[00:40:28] so like maybe they were taking clips.

[00:40:30] TK could have been saying that

[00:40:31] he really trusted Gabe

[00:40:34] and that he was a safe space

[00:40:35] in the first few days and then

[00:40:37] as the game went on and

[00:40:39] TK started realizing that

[00:40:41] Gabe was a little bit shadier than he thought

[00:40:43] he was but maybe production was kind of

[00:40:45] like picking and choosing clips.

[00:40:48] I mean, I don't know.

[00:40:49] He thing happened very early

[00:40:51] when he busted Gabe.

[00:40:53] Yeah, maybe day one.

[00:40:57] So

[00:40:59] I don't know. I can't remember exactly

[00:41:01] you know, I don't remember the exact

[00:41:03] conversation when he said

[00:41:05] the part about Gabe will do

[00:41:07] whatever I want. I think he was talking

[00:41:09] about it seemed to be

[00:41:11] leading up to tribal council

[00:41:14] but yeah

[00:41:15] can I absolutely guarantee that?

[00:41:17] No.

[00:41:18] So, all right.

[00:41:20] Well we could go to the second rule which says

[00:41:21] not to scheme and plot too much

[00:41:22] and to keep your scheming secret.

[00:41:24] Now, we already discussed

[00:41:26] TK trying to get Gabe to play his idol

[00:41:28] by coming up with this complicated scheme

[00:41:30] and I brought up

[00:41:33] I brought that up in the first rule

[00:41:34] because I felt it was bad strategy

[00:41:36] rather than over strategizing

[00:41:39] but part of it does fall into

[00:41:41] the second category and therefore

[00:41:42] this rule too because he not

[00:41:44] only was saying the things we discussed

[00:41:46] but also pulled

[00:41:48] him aside at camp after

[00:41:50] the challenge and went

[00:41:52] hard at him for causing their loss.

[00:41:54] Yeah.

[00:41:55] Now, we didn't see this. This we know about

[00:41:58] from interviews but again

[00:42:00] in his mind he was doing this

[00:42:02] to somehow get Gabe on board

[00:42:04] but I really

[00:42:06] cannot think of a circumstance where someone

[00:42:08] on Survivor would say something

[00:42:10] like that to me and I'd be like

[00:42:12] wow, I really want to work with them now.

[00:42:16] Yeah. Wait, I thought he said that

[00:42:18] because he was trying to get Gabe to play

[00:42:20] his idol. He was

[00:42:22] but he also was saying he wanted

[00:42:24] to work with Gabe. This is where the

[00:42:26] whole cross purposes

[00:42:28] thing so he was like

[00:42:30] coming at him on the one hand

[00:42:32] he's like the four of us are a group

[00:42:33] on the other hand he's like people are mad at you

[00:42:36] because you have an idol and by the way

[00:42:38] you really screwed up

[00:42:40] that whole challenge

[00:42:42] and so you'd better play your idol.

[00:42:44] It's like well keep your story straight.

[00:42:46] You can't be saying you're working with me

[00:42:48] and saying you're coming after me in the same breath.

[00:42:51] I just had an epiphany

[00:42:52] so I really did

[00:42:54] as you were going through that

[00:42:56] whole discussion he

[00:42:58] works in

[00:42:59] with NFL players

[00:43:01] so he's very much in sports

[00:43:04] and so I'm curious

[00:43:06] if he was almost approaching this

[00:43:08] in kind of a coach

[00:43:11] player mentality where

[00:43:12] you don't want to disappoint your coach

[00:43:14] and so as a coach you're like

[00:43:16] come on that was terrible what are you thinking

[00:43:18] why did you do that?

[00:43:20] The players like I need to impress the coach

[00:43:22] and next time I'm going to do so much better

[00:43:24] I'm going to do exactly what coach wants me to do

[00:43:26] and I'm wondering if maybe that's where this was coming from

[00:43:28] where he thought if I take

[00:43:30] this approach and they realize

[00:43:32] I'm the leader because he really did think

[00:43:34] he was a tribe leader

[00:43:35] I don't want to disappoint TK

[00:43:37] I'm going to do better next time

[00:43:39] I'm curious if maybe that's where that was stemming from

[00:43:43] Like

[00:43:44] like a bro talk and I forgot to

[00:43:46] pitch this idea

[00:43:47] instead of calling this episode

[00:43:49] why TK lost I think we should call it

[00:43:51] the overpowering male dominant bro energy

[00:43:56] Look

[00:43:56] I'm just

[00:43:58] throwing out some ideas

[00:44:00] I don't know we could try it

[00:44:01] just a small little title

[00:44:02] I just don't think it

[00:44:03] But that conversation

[00:44:07] would have never happened if

[00:44:08] they were saying it to a female

[00:44:11] Like there's no way TK

[00:44:13] would have gone out of female like that

[00:44:15] in hopes that she would

[00:44:16] then turn around and like

[00:44:19] vote with him right

[00:44:20] I think you're right I think it is

[00:44:23] that like bro coach

[00:44:25] locker room chat type of energy

[00:44:28] hmm and that may be it

[00:44:29] but that

[00:44:31] I know but on the other hand like

[00:44:32] I'm not justifying it David

[00:44:34] I'm saying he was trying to get him to play the

[00:44:36] none of these things come together to make sense

[00:44:39] well they don't

[00:44:40] they had all these ideas

[00:44:43] these separate ideas

[00:44:45] and he was like I'm going to throw

[00:44:47] all of them at the wall and it doesn't matter

[00:44:49] if any of them make sense together

[00:44:51] because maybe one of them will stick

[00:44:53] yeah

[00:44:54] but I do think that it's coming from a place

[00:44:57] of that

[00:44:58] coach player kind of mentality

[00:45:01] hmm

[00:45:03] maybe maybe

[00:45:05] but if you're going to do that you got to make

[00:45:07] sure that the person you're talking to

[00:45:09] well

[00:45:11] I'll have more to say about

[00:45:12] his understanding of human relationships

[00:45:15] later I think so

[00:45:16] and another role yes perhaps

[00:45:19] we wouldn't want to jump ahead David

[00:45:20] no we would not

[00:45:21] now

[00:45:25] TK

[00:45:25] also

[00:45:26] said this conversation

[00:45:29] led to

[00:45:30] Kyle telling Tiana

[00:45:32] that he apologized to give

[00:45:34] which led to her being mad that he had apologized

[00:45:36] to her

[00:45:37] which led to the conversation we saw on TV about him and

[00:45:40] Tiana thinking

[00:45:42] more that there was a guy's thing going on so

[00:45:44] maybe she couldn't trust it

[00:45:46] but also

[00:45:47] he said he talked to her further about it

[00:45:49] so I have my doubts

[00:45:50] on how much that particular aspect contributed

[00:45:53] um

[00:45:54] yeah Kyle did mess it up

[00:45:56] but

[00:45:58] what's an apology exactly

[00:46:00] if you say I apologize

[00:46:02] that's an apology

[00:46:03] if Gabe says

[00:46:06] oh I'm sorry

[00:46:07] it won't happen again

[00:46:10] and TK says

[00:46:13] it's okay bro

[00:46:14] well is that an apology

[00:46:16] is it just an acknowledgement

[00:46:18] I don't know

[00:46:19] what the bro code says in terms of those definitions

[00:46:22] you know

[00:46:23] but

[00:46:26] I just don't think

[00:46:28] that whole mess

[00:46:30] of discussions contributed

[00:46:32] I think there were plenty of other reasons

[00:46:34] Tiana did not want to work with him

[00:46:36] which we'll get to in a little while

[00:46:38] yes see I can't comment on this

[00:46:40] because I'm trying to save it for

[00:46:41] the social part of it

[00:46:44] but let's move forward

[00:46:46] okay well we still got a few rules

[00:46:48] before then

[00:46:51] so we'll go to the third

[00:46:52] which tells players to be flexible

[00:46:54] now Lindsay

[00:46:55] did you feel like TK was a go with the flow

[00:46:58] type of guy who could change up his game

[00:47:00] to suit the situation

[00:47:01] and follow this rule

[00:47:03] oh

[00:47:06] but you've got two different types of people

[00:47:08] in this world right you've got flexible

[00:47:10] people that you know are the

[00:47:12] followers in life and then you've got the

[00:47:14] non-flexible people

[00:47:16] that like to be in control

[00:47:17] and like to be the decision maker

[00:47:19] I think in the game of survivor

[00:47:22] you

[00:47:23] no matter what your personality is like

[00:47:25] you have to be flexible because if you're not

[00:47:27] you're gonna be a red flag to

[00:47:29] your tribe mate and I would say

[00:47:32] TK was probably a little bit

[00:47:34] flexible in the beginning

[00:47:36] because you're still trying to like

[00:47:38] figure out where

[00:47:39] you are on the chopping block

[00:47:41] and where you fit within tribe dynamics

[00:47:44] but I think

[00:47:46] as

[00:47:47] after they lost the challenge and stuff

[00:47:49] I think he became a little bit less flexible

[00:47:51] in the sense that he started saying

[00:47:54] I'm gonna I think I like

[00:47:55] I wrote it down somewhere but

[00:47:58] he was just talking about how

[00:48:00] you know he wants to start calling the shots

[00:48:01] and he's gonna tell everybody what to do now

[00:48:03] I did read and one of his

[00:48:06] exit interviews that

[00:48:07] that applied to challenges

[00:48:09] it didn't apply to

[00:48:11] all the tribe dynamics and like what they were

[00:48:13] doing out on the island and so

[00:48:15] I feel like TK does deserve

[00:48:17] the recognition for that but

[00:48:19] for you to just like make those types of

[00:48:21] blanket statements

[00:48:23] you can't you just can't play

[00:48:25] that type of game and survivor and expect to go

[00:48:27] far. Yeah

[00:48:29] yeah I mean obviously I agree

[00:48:31] he yeah

[00:48:32] even beyond what you said I do think

[00:48:35] he was even less flexible because

[00:48:37] he came into the game with a certain plan on how

[00:48:39] to play some of which we discussed some

[00:48:41] which is yet to come and he stuck to it

[00:48:43] you know later we'll go over some things

[00:48:45] about how he refused to alter his personality

[00:48:48] traits even if others

[00:48:49] like find them annoying he just

[00:48:51] was not going to ban.

[00:48:53] Yeah

[00:48:54] you make a great point like

[00:48:57] everybody wants to win you

[00:48:59] don't want to lose because it doesn't matter

[00:49:02] how safe you feel

[00:49:03] in the game any

[00:49:05] chance that you go to tribal council

[00:49:07] is a chance that it could

[00:49:09] be you we've seen the craziest

[00:49:11] things happen at tribal council so

[00:49:14] it doesn't matter how safe you are

[00:49:15] even if you have an idol like anything

[00:49:17] can happen and so the last

[00:49:19] thing you want to do I think what

[00:49:21] frustrated me is when

[00:49:23] they were standing at the mat and they were

[00:49:26] I mean I think

[00:49:27] I think we're being very

[00:49:29] generous with the phrase like smiling

[00:49:31] they weren't like

[00:49:33] smiling ear to ear but you're on

[00:49:35] the mat you're about to talk to Jeff

[00:49:37] you know I remember when we lost

[00:49:39] I was pissed there was

[00:49:41] not going to be any smiling but I could

[00:49:43] have understood if some of my tri-mates

[00:49:45] were like smiling at Jeff in

[00:49:47] the way like you know

[00:49:49] well there's also

[00:49:51] nervous smiling I remember one time

[00:49:53] yes so I had a boss

[00:49:55] who was

[00:49:57] very aggressive and

[00:50:00] she was talking to one of my

[00:50:02] employees

[00:50:04] and he had screwed up

[00:50:05] and I was standing there

[00:50:07] and she was talking to him

[00:50:09] and he was kind of

[00:50:11] she was kind of like

[00:50:13] smiling and chuckling

[00:50:15] as she was talking and she was like

[00:50:17] haha yeah you

[00:50:19] didn't do this haha

[00:50:21] and he started kind of laughing along

[00:50:23] with her and I said

[00:50:24] I said stop the laughing

[00:50:27] that she is doing the smiling that she's

[00:50:29] that is not how laughing

[00:50:30] that is I'm going to kill you laughing

[00:50:33] if you don't get this right

[00:50:36] so people use it

[00:50:37] to cover for a wide variety

[00:50:39] of different emotions

[00:50:41] when they're doing this and that's

[00:50:43] Tianne even said no it's a fake smile

[00:50:45] yeah and I think that's

[00:50:47] bothered me too and I'm not sure if we want to

[00:50:49] carry this over to like the social conversation

[00:50:51] but

[00:50:53] the one thing I remember thinking to myself

[00:50:55] is like if TK hadn't

[00:50:57] done all the other things that he had

[00:50:59] done that were just really getting

[00:51:01] on his his try makes nerves

[00:51:03] and that was just like a one off

[00:51:05] I think they would have given him more

[00:51:07] grace but because

[00:51:08] like Sue had a laundry

[00:51:11] list of all the reasons why he was driving her

[00:51:13] crazy that was you know

[00:51:14] Tianne she was feeling that way too

[00:51:17] Gabe was starting to feel that way

[00:51:19] Caroline and Sue were a parent

[00:51:21] so I have to believe that Sue was going to

[00:51:22] take Caroline too and complaining about TK

[00:51:24] so like I think

[00:51:26] in situations like that people are just

[00:51:28] looking for stuff to get mad

[00:51:30] about and so I think

[00:51:32] I think that was just the last

[00:51:34] straw for them and it made it

[00:51:36] super easy for them to be like

[00:51:38] well we don't have to go for Gabe

[00:51:40] we can go for TK this is an easy

[00:51:42] vote yeah yeah let's go ahead

[00:51:45] let's go ahead and skip the fourth rule here for a moment

[00:51:48] just go straight into the fifth

[00:51:49] because I really

[00:51:50] so the fifth rule reminds players

[00:51:53] they need to pretend to be nice and play

[00:51:54] the social game and yeah

[00:51:56] we have some things to talk about here

[00:51:58] I did consider making this one

[00:52:00] the first rule we discussed

[00:52:02] I think it

[00:52:04] in my thinking it would be more natural to

[00:52:06] discuss it in the usual order because there was

[00:52:08] kind of a battle going on between strategy

[00:52:09] and social game in several minds

[00:52:12] especially Tiana who

[00:52:14] will talk about when we get back to the fourth rule

[00:52:16] but

[00:52:17] you know it does flow

[00:52:19] quite naturally into it

[00:52:21] here because

[00:52:22] despite what we talked about with TK creating

[00:52:25] his alliances he made

[00:52:26] such big mistakes

[00:52:28] in this rule that it undid

[00:52:30] any good he had done

[00:52:32] from strategy from rule one

[00:52:34] and

[00:52:36] you know yes you want to

[00:52:38] follow rule four

[00:52:40] and separate your emotions and again

[00:52:42] we'll get back to that

[00:52:43] but really this deals with other people

[00:52:46] and not everybody is going to follow it

[00:52:48] not everybody

[00:52:49] is going to fully separate game

[00:52:51] from how they feel about you

[00:52:53] especially in the first few days

[00:52:55] so you can plot out strategy

[00:52:57] and expect them to follow it

[00:52:59] but if you piss them off

[00:53:01] there's a significant likelihood

[00:53:02] they're not going to go along with you

[00:53:04] TK seemed to do a lot of pissing people off

[00:53:07] which is interesting

[00:53:09] especially interesting

[00:53:10] because he said in the pregame

[00:53:12] that his job involves

[00:53:14] dealing with different types of people

[00:53:16] so he expected those skills to translate

[00:53:18] to the game and thought his social

[00:53:20] game would be his biggest

[00:53:21] biggest kryptonite yes

[00:53:24] yes

[00:53:25] his superpower not his kryptonite

[00:53:29] it turned out to be

[00:53:30] his kryptonite

[00:53:31] you know that

[00:53:34] yeah

[00:53:35] and I think Lindsay's point is a really great

[00:53:38] one to bring us into this

[00:53:40] being put on blast

[00:53:42] because if you already

[00:53:44] are having these moments with this

[00:53:46] person on your tribe right we're like

[00:53:48] oh she's saying these things are making me

[00:53:50] crazy and maybe

[00:53:52] not everyone has felt

[00:53:54] that same way maybe not everyone

[00:53:56] has seen it or maybe

[00:53:58] multiple people have and they're just not talking

[00:54:00] about it because who wants to be

[00:54:02] the person pointing the finger at somebody else

[00:54:04] going did you see what TK said

[00:54:06] or did you hear what TK did

[00:54:07] because you don't want to be that person either

[00:54:09] you don't want to be the gossip

[00:54:10] you don't want to be starting problems

[00:54:12] during the pot so when you give

[00:54:15] the entire tribe

[00:54:16] an opportunity to see

[00:54:20] that behavior

[00:54:22] and then they can go wow he just

[00:54:23] did that in front of everybody

[00:54:24] then you give them a jumping off point

[00:54:27] to talk about it right where they can go back

[00:54:29] to the camp and go wow

[00:54:31] that was a lot and did you know

[00:54:33] he said this to me the other day and then

[00:54:35] the other ones are going to feel more comfortable

[00:54:37] it's kind of like you're making a bonding moment

[00:54:39] for everyone because you're giving them

[00:54:41] an opportunity to talk about what they just

[00:54:43] saw and then related to something

[00:54:45] that they've dealt with or that they've experienced

[00:54:47] as well so you're

[00:54:49] certainly not doing yourself any favors

[00:54:51] whatsoever in this

[00:54:53] rule because you are

[00:54:55] you're giving permission to

[00:54:57] everyone to talk about

[00:54:59] how you were violating this rule

[00:55:01] with each one individually because you've put it on display

[00:55:05] I'm so glad you brought that up about

[00:55:07] the bonding because

[00:55:08] I remember on my beach

[00:55:11] Cassidy and Geo just

[00:55:13] weren't getting along and I could

[00:55:15] understand why

[00:55:17] Cassidy was getting annoyed Geo

[00:55:19] and I could understand why Geo was getting annoyed with Cassidy

[00:55:21] the good news is that I wasn't on the

[00:55:23] receiving end of either one of those situations

[00:55:26] but

[00:55:26] when it's me, Cassidy and Geo

[00:55:28] and we're all sitting down and they kind of start bickering

[00:55:31] and Geo walks off

[00:55:32] Cassidy looks at me, we start having a

[00:55:34] conversation. She wants confirmation

[00:55:36] that it's not just her, is it just me?

[00:55:38] No, it's not just you, of course that's annoying

[00:55:40] that's a bonding moment

[00:55:42] that's a moment where Cassidy gets to say

[00:55:44] okay Lindsay and I are on the same page

[00:55:46] and we're kind of annoyed with Geo

[00:55:48] and now not only does that bring

[00:55:50] us closer together but

[00:55:52] we're now looking for more

[00:55:54] reasons for him to be annoying

[00:55:56] so something that he does next

[00:55:58] maybe wouldn't have necessarily annoyed us

[00:56:00] if it had been isolated

[00:56:01] but when you combine that with like all the other behaviors

[00:56:04] in contrast, when I would go

[00:56:08] talk to Geo about that

[00:56:09] he felt very isolated, Cassidy is attacking me

[00:56:12] nobody defended me, what happened?

[00:56:14] Geo, I can totally understand where you're coming from

[00:56:16] I think Cassidy may have overreacted in that situation

[00:56:19] even if I didn't think Cassidy overreacted

[00:56:21] in that situation

[00:56:22] I am going to tell Geo that I think

[00:56:24] she overreacted and hey

[00:56:26] she's just having a bad day

[00:56:27] like letting go of you weren't that bad

[00:56:29] and that gives us an opportunity

[00:56:32] to create those bonds as well

[00:56:36] I'm going to give a little

[00:56:39] story here

[00:56:40] because I've said before that

[00:56:42] lessons from my rules can be used in everyday life

[00:56:44] and this is a perfect example

[00:56:46] because I talked about my boss

[00:56:48] who could be a little aggressive

[00:56:50] well, the best way to stay out of her

[00:56:52] crosshairs was to make sure they were

[00:56:54] pointed at someone else

[00:56:55] so, you know, yeah, where there

[00:56:58] times when she would start going off

[00:57:00] about somebody and I would be like, yes

[00:57:02] you are absolutely right

[00:57:04] I can't believe what that person did

[00:57:06] because if she revved up

[00:57:08] and got mad at them

[00:57:09] well then there was less chance she was getting mad at me

[00:57:12] yes, yes

[00:57:13] and this is all you want

[00:57:16] on Survivor, you want the heat on somebody else

[00:57:18] you want someone else to be

[00:57:20] noticed for something that they've done

[00:57:22] to get other people frustrated

[00:57:23] because then they are not looking at you

[00:57:25] so, to give them an opportunity like this

[00:57:28] it's just terrible

[00:57:29] it's just an awful thing to do

[00:57:31] even if that's how you feel

[00:57:34] bottle that in

[00:57:35] fake smile

[00:57:38] I mean the best gift

[00:57:40] you can be given and I think

[00:57:42] we see it a lot especially like in the older seasons

[00:57:44] is

[00:57:46] you think somebody's going home

[00:57:47] because all signs point to them going home

[00:57:50] and all it takes is like

[00:57:51] two other tribe mates getting in a bicker

[00:57:53] or fighting

[00:57:54] and you're like, that's it

[00:57:56] I just got saved from Tribal Council

[00:57:59] and that's what happens

[00:58:00] and I know this sounds bad but as long as it doesn't

[00:58:03] negatively affect you

[00:58:05] you kind of want people to not get along

[00:58:07] on Survivor because

[00:58:09] you know

[00:58:11] those people keep coming up

[00:58:13] yeah

[00:58:13] yeah and you know with TK

[00:58:16] there were a series of different situations going on

[00:58:19] we could talk about a few of them

[00:58:21] let's talk

[00:58:22] I think a key was something that TK told

[00:58:25] Mike Bloom

[00:58:26] he said, when you're a man in this game

[00:58:28] and you're confident

[00:58:28] I'm a fairly big guy in the context of Survivor

[00:58:31] I think it's already a little bit intimidating

[00:58:33] for some people

[00:58:34] but also to come in with the confidence I have

[00:58:38] I'm not going to dim my light

[00:58:40] to make anybody else more comfortable

[00:58:42] and that right there

[00:58:43] is a huge problem

[00:58:46] and a complete lack of understanding

[00:58:48] of the game of Survivor

[00:58:49] even Tony Vlachos

[00:58:52] purposely made himself

[00:58:54] appear smaller and

[00:58:55] powerful in winners at war

[00:58:58] as part of his strategy

[00:58:59] this rule in particular is all

[00:59:02] about modifying your behavior

[00:59:04] for game purposes

[00:59:06] pretend to be nice

[00:59:07] and TK said

[00:59:09] no I'm going to refuse to do that

[00:59:11] yeah he was and I think

[00:59:13] it's great to be confident

[00:59:15] and to come in and play this game

[00:59:17] with a confidence absolutely fantastic

[00:59:19] but you have to be able to

[00:59:21] have that confidence

[00:59:22] not just in yourself but in your entire tribe

[00:59:25] they have to feel that

[00:59:27] you are confident with them

[00:59:29] and as a part of the group

[00:59:31] that they are a part of

[00:59:32] as opposed to ostracizing them

[00:59:35] for not rising to your level

[00:59:37] and that's really what TK

[00:59:39] was doing was making them feel less

[00:59:41] than and that he was

[00:59:43] so much better like I'm sorry

[00:59:45] you all lost

[00:59:45] that

[00:59:48] you all did I mean I understand he wanted

[00:59:51] to blame Gabe for

[00:59:52] wanting to take control

[00:59:54] and be the only one talking

[00:59:56] and I get that but

[00:59:59] yes sometimes you can blame one person

[01:00:01] for a tribe losing an

[01:00:03] immunity challenge absolutely you can do that

[01:00:05] but at the same time

[01:00:06] even if that's how you feel

[01:00:09] sometimes it's better to

[01:00:10] keep that as a private moment

[01:00:12] and maybe have a private discussion with somebody

[01:00:15] about that issue instead of telling Jeff

[01:00:17] all about it and acting as if

[01:00:19] you were not to blame

[01:00:21] yeah I'm

[01:00:23] I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt

[01:00:24] I consider him

[01:00:26] a newbie to

[01:00:28] the survivor like Phantom

[01:00:30] I know he started watching

[01:00:32] during COVID he started

[01:00:34] with like the Netflix

[01:00:36] season and that's great

[01:00:38] but I think when you

[01:00:40] go through the casting process

[01:00:42] it's 10 months of you having to be

[01:00:44] overly confident super cocky

[01:00:46] yeah you have to be a sales person for yourself

[01:00:48] you know you're

[01:00:50] saying things that you wouldn't

[01:00:52] want to be caught dead

[01:00:53] having your friends over here

[01:00:56] you say about yourself because

[01:00:59] that's what you do during the casting process

[01:01:01] all the way up until

[01:01:02] pregame and PG when you're having to do

[01:01:04] the pregame interviews like I listen

[01:01:06] to TK's pregame interview before

[01:01:08] we hopped on this chat

[01:01:10] and I think the difference is

[01:01:12] is like once you start the game

[01:01:14] all of that has to go out the window

[01:01:16] yes and I think

[01:01:18] that because TK

[01:01:19] doesn't understand survivor enough

[01:01:22] he kind of carried that

[01:01:24] into the game yeah and

[01:01:26] I think he wasn't self aware enough to realize

[01:01:28] that like his behavior

[01:01:30] was getting on people's nerves because

[01:01:32] you can be confident

[01:01:33] but if you're getting on people's nerves and you're

[01:01:36] super confident that is a

[01:01:38] horrible combination yeah

[01:01:41] yeah you know

[01:01:42] I mean he also told Mike bloom

[01:01:43] I'm going to be myself in the hopes that

[01:01:46] you would be yourself and we can be ourselves

[01:01:48] and all get to know each other and be happy

[01:01:50] and go lucky and it's fine

[01:01:51] this is survivor yeah again

[01:01:54] it showed like you said

[01:01:56] Lindsay he didn't really understand the social

[01:01:58] game on survivor because

[01:02:00] yes some people can indeed

[01:02:02] be themselves most of the time

[01:02:04] people like jam jam or kenzie

[01:02:06] but if you're not

[01:02:07] if you don't have a personality like them

[01:02:09] you need to put a lid on aspects

[01:02:11] of your personality that might cause conflict

[01:02:14] you can't just be yourself

[01:02:17] when part of being yourself

[01:02:18] means lashing out

[01:02:20] when you lose a challenge or as he said

[01:02:22] making jokes that he'd make with his friends

[01:02:24] when these people aren't his friends

[01:02:26] and maybe don't pick up on his sarcasm

[01:02:28] there's a reason again

[01:02:30] that this rule says pretend

[01:02:32] to be nice yes

[01:02:34] some people we get on here and say

[01:02:36] they didn't need to be to pretend

[01:02:38] but some definitely do

[01:02:40] and TK was one of them

[01:02:41] right so like when he said to Sue

[01:02:44] what did he say like oh I wish

[01:02:46] I could sleep all day oh god

[01:02:48] yes that's exactly what I was thinking

[01:02:50] like what

[01:02:52] yes

[01:02:55] why would you ever say that

[01:02:57] like

[01:02:57] even if that's the way you feel

[01:02:59] don't say that

[01:03:00] that's one of those I was just joking

[01:03:03] but in your everyday life

[01:03:06] like you can get away with saying that

[01:03:08] in survivor

[01:03:09] like I mean

[01:03:10] just riding your ticket home

[01:03:14] yeah I mean I mentioned earlier

[01:03:16] we did a couple of examples and that was one of them

[01:03:18] it's obvious that he annoyed the heck out of Sue

[01:03:21] and also somewhat Tiana

[01:03:22] I mean what led up to that

[01:03:24] was they were trying to sleep on the beach

[01:03:25] and he wouldn't shut up

[01:03:26] and then you know that that joke he made

[01:03:29] but they should have moved

[01:03:31] but that's the thing

[01:03:35] he acknowledged

[01:03:36] the four of them went out there together

[01:03:38] to sleep

[01:03:39] he and Kyle could not sleep

[01:03:42] so they talked

[01:03:44] and then he's saying in the interviews

[01:03:46] well we had the whole island

[01:03:47] they could have moved

[01:03:49] well you know it was already in my notes

[01:03:50] before I even read

[01:03:52] wait did he say that

[01:03:55] when did he say that

[01:03:57] in the interview

[01:03:57] he said they have a whole island

[01:04:02] but what was already in my notes

[01:04:04] was

[01:04:06] they have a whole island

[01:04:08] he didn't need to be sitting right next to them

[01:04:10] so

[01:04:11] it's like no

[01:04:13] go down the street

[01:04:15] he said you guys could go right down the street

[01:04:17] and take your nap over there

[01:04:18] I didn't realize it was that irritating to people

[01:04:21] to just be yourself and have a conversation

[01:04:22] but again they all came down together

[01:04:25] yeah Sue and Tiana

[01:04:27] thought they were all gonna nap

[01:04:29] and TK thought they were gonna nap

[01:04:31] but he and Kyle couldn't sleep

[01:04:32] so he actually expected them

[01:04:36] to get up

[01:04:37] and leave when he was the one causing

[01:04:39] the problem

[01:04:40] yeah

[01:04:41] but what that tells me is that

[01:04:43] he'd still do that in his everyday life

[01:04:45] and I think the differences

[01:04:47] is like

[01:04:48] even things that you would do in your everyday life

[01:04:51] you can't do that stuff out there

[01:04:53] you need to be

[01:04:56] overly considerate

[01:04:57] of everyone else out there

[01:04:59] you're living with people

[01:05:02] and

[01:05:03] the fact that

[01:05:04] you never met before that you don't know

[01:05:06] and you're also trying to

[01:05:08] be in a game for a million dollars

[01:05:10] so there's a lot of things

[01:05:12] that you need to be mindful of

[01:05:14] yeah

[01:05:16] then another example was of course what happened

[01:05:18] after they lost the challenge and he kept talking about

[01:05:20] how he didn't like losing or people who were okay with

[01:05:22] losing went on and on as Tiana

[01:05:24] was rolling her eyes and making faces

[01:05:26] now this was the exact moment

[01:05:29] I knew 100% he was going

[01:05:30] yeah

[01:05:32] TK told Mike it was just one of those moments

[01:05:34] where he led a little bit too much of his competitiveness show

[01:05:37] yeah but that was

[01:05:38] the ongoing problem letting too much

[01:05:40] of his overall personality show like we said

[01:05:43] yeah

[01:05:44] and then there was his overall

[01:05:46] relationship with Tiana

[01:05:48] we didn't see as much about this

[01:05:50] on the show itself but TK told Mike

[01:05:52] Bloom that he rarely talked to her

[01:05:54] and most of the discussions ran through Kyle

[01:05:56] while Sue was in Tiana's

[01:05:58] ear about TK

[01:06:00] he said I was okay with it because at the end of the day

[01:06:02] I don't want to blow up Tiana's spot

[01:06:04] because I know she's playing both sides

[01:06:06] with the girls too and she's giving us information

[01:06:08] that the girls are saying

[01:06:10] so I don't want people to know all three of us are together

[01:06:13] and this is interesting

[01:06:14] to me because

[01:06:16] one thing he hammered Sue about during tribal council

[01:06:19] was that she supposedly

[01:06:20] didn't make the effort to talk to him

[01:06:22] in fact he sat there and survivors

[01:06:24] blamed her about this very topic

[01:06:27] yet he admits

[01:06:28] he wasn't doing it with Tiana

[01:06:30] it was almost

[01:06:32] my favorite scene

[01:06:33] of the whole episode with Sue

[01:06:35] just sitting back there and she's like

[01:06:37] keep talking

[01:06:39] because I'm about to vote your ass out

[01:06:42] and it is going to feel so good

[01:06:44] so you can talk about how

[01:06:46] I'm not talking to other people

[01:06:48] so good

[01:06:48] editing gold

[01:06:53] real quick

[01:06:54] before I forget this thought because I'm way too old

[01:06:58] I think

[01:07:00] if

[01:07:00] TK had just had

[01:07:02] I think she's the youngest one here

[01:07:04] just thanks

[01:07:05] my daughter said I've got the memory of a goldfish

[01:07:08] it's so bad

[01:07:10] okay so

[01:07:11] I think if that had been an isolated incident

[01:07:13] and TK

[01:07:14] had been loved by all the other members

[01:07:18] of his tribe

[01:07:18] I think he could have written that as like a once off

[01:07:21] as I was overly emotional

[01:07:23] it's the competitive athlete in me

[01:07:25] please forgive me

[01:07:27] there were times where like

[01:07:29] when we lost the challenge

[01:07:31] I threatened

[01:07:33] the other two tribes

[01:07:34] and they did not like that very much

[01:07:38] I just got caught up in the moment

[01:07:39] it was the competitive side in me

[01:07:41] but I think because I was

[01:07:43] likable and I got along with everybody

[01:07:45] they could excuse that from me

[01:07:47] because they knew that like

[01:07:49] I wasn't like that all the time

[01:07:50] so it was kind of like alright

[01:07:52] it's a tiny red flag

[01:07:54] not a big red flag

[01:07:55] I think the problem with TK's game is that

[01:07:58] that's what sunk him because of all the other things

[01:08:00] he's leading up to it

[01:08:02] right

[01:08:03] again people are looking for a reason

[01:08:06] to vote you out

[01:08:07] and he gave plenty in this rule

[01:08:09] and if people have your back

[01:08:12] they will be more willing to

[01:08:14] look past something

[01:08:16] or forgive you for something you do

[01:08:18] because well it was just that one moment

[01:08:20] but if people aren't

[01:08:22] on your side like Kyle

[01:08:25] Kyle is the only one that's on his side

[01:08:27] clearly and Kyle I think

[01:08:29] we talked about this when we

[01:08:30] first were meeting the

[01:08:32] cast Kyle is just such a nice guy

[01:08:35] and he's just

[01:08:37] he's so loyal and so

[01:08:39] lovable and you can't help

[01:08:41] but just want to like hang out

[01:08:42] with him and so I think for him

[01:08:44] his loyalty was just like

[01:08:46] I like him I think he's

[01:08:48] a cool guy and I can

[01:08:50] talk with him and that's great

[01:08:52] but that's all he had was

[01:08:54] Kyle and when you've got

[01:08:56] a tribe of six only having one

[01:08:58] person that's that loyal to you is not

[01:09:00] going to get you farther in the game

[01:09:02] yeah something

[01:09:04] one of you just said

[01:09:07] it's interesting because

[01:09:08] he talked about

[01:09:10] how in the challenge

[01:09:12] he tried to take over and Gabe

[01:09:14] kept taking it back and everybody

[01:09:16] decided with Gabe and in his interviews

[01:09:18] he said well this should have showed me that Gabe felt safe

[01:09:21] I don't think that's what it should have

[01:09:22] showed him and one of you just

[01:09:24] triggered the thought in me but it should have

[01:09:25] showed him was everybody was already annoyed

[01:09:28] with him trying to boss them around

[01:09:30] leading up to the challenge

[01:09:32] they were sick of him so when

[01:09:34] he tries to boss them around in the challenge

[01:09:36] they're like shut up and let Gabe do it

[01:09:38] yeah and I think the only one who piped up

[01:09:40] and said maybe we should listen to

[01:09:42] TK was Kyle yeah

[01:09:44] yeah

[01:09:46] and it just kind of leads to

[01:09:48] something deeper was which is like

[01:09:49] does TK have a point because

[01:09:51] I read in one of his exit interviews he was

[01:09:53] like it made me realize nobody

[01:09:55] was willing to speak up because they didn't want to go

[01:09:58] against somebody that they were in alliance

[01:09:59] with and there's a little

[01:10:01] bit of truth to that you know in the game

[01:10:04] yeah sometimes you don't defend

[01:10:06] the odd man out because

[01:10:07] you don't want to then become the odd

[01:10:10] man out and that

[01:10:11] that's an added layer to the game

[01:10:13] and it's things that you just don't think about

[01:10:15] yeah I do think there were some of

[01:10:18] that but I also think

[01:10:19] like I said most of them were he was already

[01:10:21] I mean it it so happens that the four

[01:10:24] people that well it doesn't so happen

[01:10:25] one cause there's a causal relationship

[01:10:28] here he pissed off

[01:10:29] four people in those four people

[01:10:32] aligned against him you know

[01:10:34] so which was it in this case

[01:10:35] you know chicken or egg situation

[01:10:37] yeah yeah all right

[01:10:39] we can go back to the fourth rule which tells

[01:10:41] players not to let their emotions control them

[01:10:43] we could go through this one pretty quickly I think

[01:10:45] there was there was a fair amount of discussion

[01:10:47] about this rule but it was mostly

[01:10:49] from Tiana not TK

[01:10:51] it was fun to hear her practically

[01:10:53] quote this rule but we could talk about

[01:10:55] that and appendix

[01:10:56] but you know Jessica from

[01:10:59] TK's standpoint how do you think he did

[01:11:01] here well I mean we're spending so much time

[01:11:03] talking about him blowing up on the mat right

[01:11:05] where he certainly wasn't keeping

[01:11:07] his emotions in check and I think

[01:11:09] it's interesting for TK because

[01:11:11] I don't think that TK

[01:11:13] necessarily thought that he was being

[01:11:15] emotional he he stressed

[01:11:17] very much that he thought

[01:11:19] Tiana was making

[01:11:21] an emotional decision

[01:11:23] based on how she ended up voting

[01:11:25] so he was he's mindful

[01:11:27] of that I think in retrospect

[01:11:29] that she made an emotional decision

[01:11:31] but I think he's

[01:11:33] he's forgetting that

[01:11:35] it goes both ways right that

[01:11:37] the way that he's feeling might not be

[01:11:39] the same way that someone else is feeling

[01:11:41] and his approach

[01:11:43] to how someone else is going to

[01:11:45] react emotionally is something that he needed

[01:11:47] to be more cognizant of and thinking about

[01:11:49] and playing the game

[01:11:50] that his emotional outburst

[01:11:53] can have an effect on somebody else

[01:11:55] and can negatively affect his game

[01:11:57] and so he needed to keep

[01:11:59] his emotions in check

[01:12:01] because of that and I think that there was

[01:12:03] a real disconnect

[01:12:04] there that he thought well I should be

[01:12:07] able to have this type of response

[01:12:08] and it not negatively affect the person next

[01:12:11] to me and then question well

[01:12:12] she just she emotionally responded

[01:12:14] to what happened and that's why she made that vote

[01:12:16] like okay

[01:12:18] yeah that's what happened but you caused

[01:12:21] that to happen by what you did

[01:12:23] and so there's like you have to have that

[01:12:24] realization there that if you're going to give her

[01:12:26] a guff for doing it maybe you need to look

[01:12:28] at what started that ripple effect

[01:12:30] yeah and then you combine

[01:12:32] that with him

[01:12:34] being on a tribe with

[01:12:36] Gabe who I'm not sure if you guys caught

[01:12:39] this confessional but Gabe was talking about

[01:12:41] how he's monetizing

[01:12:42] on Tiana's

[01:12:44] emotional response

[01:12:46] to TK and

[01:12:48] and again I just think this was such an

[01:12:50] amazing episode for Gabe

[01:12:52] because it just goes to show you like

[01:12:54] how smart he's playing

[01:12:56] but he said like

[01:12:58] I'm going to take advantage

[01:13:00] of the fact that she's going

[01:13:02] to now vote in an emotional way

[01:13:05] not a strategic way

[01:13:06] and that is going to be

[01:13:08] like how I get in with her

[01:13:10] during this vote and I was like

[01:13:13] get it Gabe because

[01:13:14] you clearly know what you're doing

[01:13:16] and he was smart and it worked

[01:13:17] so yeah

[01:13:20] alright well

[01:13:22] we already did rule 5 so we'll go to 6

[01:13:24] which

[01:13:24] I know that TK saw himself

[01:13:28] as a big physical threat

[01:13:30] but we're just not at that

[01:13:32] part of the game yet almost nobody is

[01:13:34] worried about someone in that

[01:13:36] way for the first vote

[01:13:37] I know we hear it like oh they voted me out first

[01:13:39] because I was such a big threat

[01:13:41] no nobody cares about that at first

[01:13:43] but he was a threat

[01:13:45] for other reasons

[01:13:46] as he was obviously targeting Sue

[01:13:49] he was also pushing on Gabe

[01:13:51] when you throw Caroline

[01:13:53] in as the ally

[01:13:55] to both he had literally threatened

[01:13:57] half the tribe in one way or another

[01:13:59] mm-hmm yeah

[01:14:02] yeah I mean he is

[01:14:03] I think that this is something

[01:14:05] that he was too much ahead

[01:14:07] of the game on like he

[01:14:09] was thinking well of course they're going to want

[01:14:11] to keep me because I'm strong

[01:14:13] and then once I get to the merge then this is

[01:14:15] going to work to my benefit

[01:14:16] of my physical strength and it's like

[01:14:19] they'll have to worry about that later because they're going to want

[01:14:21] to keep me around at the beginning but like you said David

[01:14:23] like this is not a concern that people necessarily

[01:14:25] have at the beginning

[01:14:26] granted strength is good because

[01:14:28] you're competing in these challenges and you want

[01:14:31] to keep winning but that's

[01:14:33] only one part of it you have to

[01:14:35] be winning the challenges and

[01:14:37] you have to have the numbers at the same time

[01:14:39] so you need to find that balance

[01:14:41] and I don't think that it was

[01:14:42] necessarily a concern for anyone at this point

[01:14:45] because it is so early in the game

[01:14:47] but that's not what the focal point was

[01:14:49] at all as far as TK was concerned

[01:14:51] yeah I

[01:14:53] find it fascinating especially with like

[01:14:55] three tribes you know

[01:14:57] at the beginning of the new era it was

[01:14:59] tribe strength right

[01:15:00] tribe strength, tribe strength people were willing

[01:15:03] to keep the most annoying players

[01:15:05] around because it meant that

[01:15:07] you know they would advance and

[01:15:09] continue to win tribal challenges

[01:15:10] I don't feel like that's happening anymore

[01:15:12] you know I feel like everyone's

[01:15:15] like if I and two of

[01:15:17] my allies can make it to the merge

[01:15:19] that's all we need is three the goal

[01:15:21] now is to make it to the merge it's not to

[01:15:23] make it to the merge with

[01:15:25] the majority because then

[01:15:27] you've got a target on your back and that's what

[01:15:29] James kept trying to tell me

[01:15:30] you know he finally

[01:15:32] said to me Lindsay we can trim the fat

[01:15:34] like why are you keeping

[01:15:36] somebody like Ryan around because

[01:15:39] of his strength we can

[01:15:41] afford to lose Ryan and we can afford to use

[01:15:42] Gio you know we can go

[01:15:44] into the merge

[01:15:47] with just they couldn't afford

[01:15:48] to lose you was the problem I mean

[01:15:52] you know it is what it is

[01:15:54] so

[01:15:56] but he was right and actually he waited until

[01:15:58] we got back and from Fiji

[01:16:00] to tell me and I actually snapped

[01:16:02] out of my was like then why didn't you say that on the island

[01:16:04] like why didn't you tell me that

[01:16:06] because you make a lot of sense

[01:16:08] you know I was so laser focused

[01:16:10] on tribe strength

[01:16:12] and making it to the merge

[01:16:15] as intact as we could be

[01:16:16] and I realized like wait

[01:16:18] we didn't need that

[01:16:20] let's go ahead since we've gone out of order once already

[01:16:23] let's jump to appendix A because

[01:16:24] that's really what we're talking about Lindsay

[01:16:27] is just forcing you to

[01:16:28] flip around I love this

[01:16:30] oh I see oh okay

[01:16:32] but I try I try to stick to the script

[01:16:35] but it's about the players

[01:16:38] you know keeping their end goals in mind

[01:16:40] when voting and we usually talk about

[01:16:42] voting out the weak and the strong and the weak and the strong

[01:16:44] and TK and Kyle

[01:16:46] wanted to keep the tribe physically strong

[01:16:48] or at least that was part of their pitch

[01:16:50] when they said they wanted to vote out Sue

[01:16:52] the rest of the tribe obviously

[01:16:54] was thinking more like you were saying Lindsay

[01:16:56] and even then by the way

[01:16:59] um the odd thing

[01:17:00] is TK told Dalton Ross that Sue

[01:17:02] was quote really strong

[01:17:04] and we saw her lugging a huge puzzle piece

[01:17:06] in the very first challenge

[01:17:07] oh my gosh yes I forgot about it she put a like

[01:17:10] yeah I'm not sure how

[01:17:12] he this is another case

[01:17:14] of him making contradictory arguments

[01:17:16] we need to get rid of Sue because she's weak

[01:17:18] even though she's actually strong

[01:17:20] but I have a quote here that

[01:17:22] he said um

[01:17:24] sorry let me get my notes

[01:17:26] um he said

[01:17:29] well I can't find it

[01:17:30] oh Sue doesn't bring anything to the table

[01:17:32] I mean that's why

[01:17:34] I know he said that but at the same time

[01:17:36] he recognized that she was strong so

[01:17:38] yeah um but in the

[01:17:40] end it didn't matter anyway because

[01:17:42] we have said it before you just said it now

[01:17:45] alliance strength

[01:17:46] matters more than challenge strength

[01:17:48] you know there's apparently an alliance

[01:17:50] of three with Gabe Sue and Caroline

[01:17:52] Tiana voted with them this time

[01:17:54] I'm not sure if she's fully on

[01:17:56] board though if she is as smart

[01:17:58] as I think she is she'll play along

[01:18:00] and then there's Kyle on the outs

[01:18:02] now here's the thing

[01:18:04] I think if they lose again they're not

[01:18:06] just gonna vote out Kyle

[01:18:08] because TK was the one causing the problems

[01:18:10] Kyle was just an innocent bystander

[01:18:12] emphasis on innocent

[01:18:14] um

[01:18:16] I here's what I think may happen

[01:18:19] um and you're not gonna like this

[01:18:20] Lindsay based on what you've been saying about

[01:18:22] Gabe but I think that

[01:18:24] Tiana will try to bring the women and Kyle

[01:18:26] together and turn on Gabe

[01:18:28] because we've seen signs that Gabe

[01:18:30] just makes people feel a little twitchy

[01:18:33] and I could see that

[01:18:34] happening yes you know

[01:18:37] if they pay

[01:18:38] attention to what he did

[01:18:40] they might be like well this

[01:18:41] he's really playin' and I know others

[01:18:44] have said Tiana may find herself on the

[01:18:46] outs because Gabe

[01:18:48] but I think she is on the outs

[01:18:50] who's she with

[01:18:52] I don't know I think she's gonna try and get in with the women

[01:18:54] and I mean we saw Caroline

[01:18:56] was twitchy with Gabe till he showed her the

[01:18:58] idol now that he doesn't have the

[01:19:00] idol is she still fully on board

[01:19:02] I don't know

[01:19:04] I don't know if her heart was 100%

[01:19:06] in it or not I like this twitchy word

[01:19:08] this is good I mean that's the best word

[01:19:10] that I could describe it was just you

[01:19:12] know um anyway

[01:19:14] for now that's a worry for another day

[01:19:16] for now looking at TK

[01:19:19] um my point

[01:19:20] before that tangent was

[01:19:22] being the biggest physical

[01:19:24] quote threat on a pre-merge tribe

[01:19:26] is usually a positive

[01:19:28] mm-hmm but that just shows

[01:19:30] how negative everything

[01:19:32] else was that we discussed about him

[01:19:34] to overcome that yeah yeah that's true

[01:19:37] I think

[01:19:38] and I could be wrong here I think

[01:19:40] especially because we have such

[01:19:42] younger players they

[01:19:44] are walking into this game

[01:19:46] prepared to be hungry

[01:19:48] be cold be wet

[01:19:50] all the things that

[01:19:52] usually you want to keep

[01:19:54] tribe strength because you want to win

[01:19:56] you don't want to go to tribal council

[01:19:57] you don't want to not have your front

[01:19:59] you don't want to not have your pot your machete

[01:20:01] this new era they're like we don't care

[01:20:04] we don't need all that stuff

[01:20:05] we're going to try to do rice

[01:20:07] right and so

[01:20:10] the older people prioritize

[01:20:11] the comfort but the younger people

[01:20:14] they're not prioritizing

[01:20:15] they're prioritizing the social

[01:20:17] aspect of the game who do we want to keep around

[01:20:19] who do we feel safest with

[01:20:20] and that's why I think

[01:20:22] Sue is going to stay loyal to Gabe

[01:20:24] way longer than she should

[01:20:26] I yeah I think

[01:20:28] I think everyone's underestimating

[01:20:30] the bond that they have I think they're the

[01:20:32] tightest out of anybody

[01:20:35] maybe not

[01:20:36] Sue and Caroline but

[01:20:38] I don't know

[01:20:39] if you got if Sue is as close

[01:20:42] to Gabe as you think and then she's got

[01:20:44] Caroline because she reminds her of her

[01:20:46] daughter you know that's your three then

[01:20:48] and then that means that's what Gabe wants

[01:20:50] right

[01:20:52] maybe I'm not maybe

[01:20:54] maybe if that's maybe what everybody's

[01:20:56] saying is that Tiana will be on the outs

[01:20:58] and it will end up happening that way

[01:21:00] well TK did say that she traded

[01:21:02] three to move to four I know but TK

[01:21:04] said a lot of things that were wrong

[01:21:06] but maybe that's one of the ones he's

[01:21:08] right about yeah um now

[01:21:10] one thing that he said that I do think was

[01:21:12] right was he downplayed

[01:21:14] his own challenge straight in interviews

[01:21:16] because he said his tribe overall was stronger

[01:21:18] than the others and if he had been on the

[01:21:20] either of the other two tribes they went

[01:21:22] to vote him off now I'm not sure I agree

[01:21:24] with that reasoning because

[01:21:27] we've already

[01:21:28] discussed plenty of reasons to vote him

[01:21:30] off but it's all hypothetical

[01:21:32] anyway um

[01:21:34] to me the key here

[01:21:36] was Tiana

[01:21:38] um you know as I mentioned earlier

[01:21:40] she practically cited to rule four she said

[01:21:42] when I came out here I knew that I wanted

[01:21:44] to be a player that separated emotion from

[01:21:46] gameplay I heard that that was so good yes

[01:21:48] I could not like you but I could work

[01:21:50] with you but it's a very very

[01:21:51] difficult right now because I'm

[01:21:54] getting a little bit annoyed with TK with his

[01:21:56] ego however strategically

[01:21:57] he is a great physical asset to have in these

[01:22:00] challenges and I know that I have to

[01:22:02] sometimes put the emotions aside if I want

[01:22:04] to get farther in the game and then some

[01:22:06] would say after talking about it she went

[01:22:07] against it I'm not convinced that's the whole

[01:22:09] story I'm going to defend her here for one

[01:22:12] thing Tiana told us she didn't

[01:22:14] want to work with someone who disrespected her

[01:22:16] and that can be

[01:22:18] ascribed to emotion I think it goes beyond that

[01:22:21] someone who disrespects you

[01:22:23] also isn't going

[01:22:24] to take you seriously in the game

[01:22:26] look at how TK

[01:22:28] was talking about game just

[01:22:30] doing whatever

[01:22:31] uh he says

[01:22:33] and how he how

[01:22:35] TK was playing chess and moving all the

[01:22:38] pieces around that's

[01:22:40] how he seemed to think of them

[01:22:42] as pieces not as people

[01:22:44] while telling

[01:22:46] others to treat them as people

[01:22:48] you know he was telling that to

[01:22:50] Sue again

[01:22:52] another thing that didn't line up another thing

[01:22:54] that contradicted as Tiana

[01:22:56] said she went with instinct and I do

[01:22:58] think her instinct was right I think

[01:23:00] her quote-unquote

[01:23:02] emotional reaction was a telltale

[01:23:04] sign that something deeper

[01:23:06] was wrong with the way he was playing

[01:23:08] compared to how she wanted to play

[01:23:09] yeah I think it's very fair

[01:23:13] what was her option

[01:23:14] go with TK

[01:23:15] and Ryan who are

[01:23:17] Ryan Kyle oh my god

[01:23:19] I mean go to rocks at this point I mean was

[01:23:22] I guess that was the option

[01:23:24] you know she wasn't going to

[01:23:26] do that but

[01:23:26] and I'm curious to see if Gabe

[01:23:29] and Kyle can convince

[01:23:32] Tiana

[01:23:33] that it would be the three of them

[01:23:35] and then Caroline

[01:23:37] Sue and Gabe stick together

[01:23:39] they try to get Tiana to vote out

[01:23:42] Kyle

[01:23:43] they could I mean they could try

[01:23:46] right like that's the move

[01:23:48] I guess

[01:23:49] and then

[01:23:51] Tiana is the next one to go

[01:23:52] and then Gabe gets what he wants which is hiding into the merge

[01:23:56] because

[01:23:57] I don't think they have a ton of tribe strength

[01:23:59] right now you know I know Caroline

[01:24:01] is she was a

[01:24:03] polo player

[01:24:06] Gabe's

[01:24:06] competitive but

[01:24:08] they say she's got nothing to offer

[01:24:11] I don't know about Kyle

[01:24:12] I mean they say that but I mean

[01:24:14] Sue looked like she had a lot to offer and Kyle

[01:24:16] looked like he had a lot to offer so

[01:24:18] I think they will still be strong

[01:24:20] you know they didn't lose this last challenge because of strength

[01:24:23] they lost it on the maze

[01:24:24] yeah you know it had nothing to do with

[01:24:27] strength so

[01:24:29] good point good point I'm wrong

[01:24:33] I don't

[01:24:33] have it that often so you better

[01:24:35] take advantage of that

[01:24:36] we have it on recording

[01:24:38] you can ask Andy by the way

[01:24:41] I forgot to tell you Andy told me to tell you hello

[01:24:43] hello Andy

[01:24:45] hi

[01:24:46] all right well the seven

[01:24:48] you're gonna spend a lot of time with Andy

[01:24:51] that's great

[01:24:53] going back to the seventh rule

[01:24:54] we can you know wipe this one

[01:24:57] up pretty quickly here because it covers idols and

[01:24:59] advantages and game mechanics of course he didn't get any

[01:25:01] idols

[01:25:02] we can get a little insight into how he handled

[01:25:05] the situation with Gabe after he busted

[01:25:07] him finding a key because he said in interviews

[01:25:09] that Gabe pulled him aside later

[01:25:10] said he hadn't found anything yet but TK knew

[01:25:13] he was lying and so then as we've

[01:25:15] discussed it he spread it around about Gabe

[01:25:16] having an idol and needing to flush it

[01:25:19] I think we could say it's good

[01:25:20] that he realized what was going on

[01:25:23] but Gabe also wasn't

[01:25:24] exactly James Bond here with his secret

[01:25:26] plan to get

[01:25:28] him to use it

[01:25:29] yeah no I do think that

[01:25:32] the I was hopeful

[01:25:34] when we saw the scene where he busted

[01:25:37] him and I was thinking oh this might be

[01:25:39] like a fun little moment

[01:25:40] and it might become something

[01:25:42] but it really didn't really

[01:25:44] pan out the way that I was hoping

[01:25:47] it would

[01:25:47] I think they both had their own

[01:25:51] ideas with how they were going

[01:25:52] to utilize that moment both of them

[01:25:55] were good for themselves but it didn't

[01:25:57] it didn't really affect the game

[01:25:58] in the way that it could have

[01:26:01] no and I think the best advice

[01:26:03] that I would want to give to like

[01:26:04] future survivor players is

[01:26:08] people question you

[01:26:09] and don't believe you when you're telling

[01:26:10] the truth so when you're lying out there

[01:26:13] no one

[01:26:14] is going to believe you so

[01:26:16] your best bet to

[01:26:18] minimize the damage that you're doing

[01:26:20] is just to own up to it

[01:26:22] because

[01:26:23] if you're lying

[01:26:24] people know they always know

[01:26:27] so

[01:26:29] alright well it is about time to wrap

[01:26:32] things up

[01:26:33] so Lindsay what are your final thoughts on TK

[01:26:36] my final thoughts

[01:26:37] on TK is that I think he

[01:26:40] is a completely

[01:26:41] lovely person in real life

[01:26:43] I think he just got in over

[01:26:45] his head he allowed

[01:26:47] his emotions

[01:26:49] to take control

[01:26:51] and he had a hard time

[01:26:52] separating his emotion

[01:26:55] from strategy and gameplay

[01:26:57] I think that

[01:26:58] combination with

[01:27:00] Gabe being on his tribe

[01:27:02] who I think is

[01:27:04] the mastermind behind the scenes

[01:27:07] I think it was the perfect storm

[01:27:09] for him to go home this week

[01:27:11] mm-hmm

[01:27:14] Jessica

[01:27:14] oh goodness alright so TK

[01:27:17] listen I know if you're listening

[01:27:19] we might have said a lot of things about you

[01:27:21] that you don't appreciate however this is what

[01:27:23] we do here on this podcast

[01:27:25] is we break it down and we talk about it

[01:27:27] and I just have to go back to

[01:27:29] what he said in his pregame

[01:27:31] and I know we've already talked about it

[01:27:32] but it was the I think my social game

[01:27:35] is obviously going to be my biggest

[01:27:36] superpower and again

[01:27:38] like we talked that's just me naturally

[01:27:41] I can get along with anybody in the world

[01:27:42] I don't care where you put me I mean even

[01:27:44] in college I used to intentionally change

[01:27:46] my roommates every semester just to meet

[01:27:48] new people new types of people

[01:27:50] and I never knew who those people are going

[01:27:52] to be coming in and I would just meet new people

[01:27:54] all the time so I'm really comfortable with

[01:27:56] that and I really did he really

[01:27:59] changed his roommates or did his roommates

[01:28:00] be like I got glad is it

[01:28:04] that's a great point

[01:28:05] he keeps talking while I'm trying

[01:28:07] to sleep

[01:28:12] sorry

[01:28:13] sorry I normally wanted to

[01:28:14] you're so mean

[01:28:16] that was great

[01:28:17] I had some of those roommates

[01:28:19] me too trust me

[01:28:21] we all did

[01:28:22] and hearing that from someone

[01:28:26] pregame you think okay this is going to be

[01:28:28] awesome and you really have high

[01:28:30] hopes and he comes across the screen

[01:28:32] you can't help but notice

[01:28:34] him and his smile and his

[01:28:36] exuberance and his confidence and these

[01:28:38] are all things that we want in a survivor player

[01:28:40] but it's one thing

[01:28:42] to recognize that about yourself

[01:28:44] and it's another thing to recognize

[01:28:46] how that can affect your ability to play

[01:28:48] this game and I don't think

[01:28:50] he can put the two things together I think

[01:28:52] he came in thinking I'm confident

[01:28:54] I'm I'm likeable

[01:28:56] people are gonna like me can't help

[01:28:58] but like me look at me and then they were

[01:29:00] like look at him

[01:29:01] and so and it's just because he

[01:29:04] just gave too much of himself without

[01:29:06] realizing sometimes you got to pull it

[01:29:08] in sometimes you have to hold back

[01:29:10] just a little bit even though you want to say

[01:29:12] that thing don't say that thing even though

[01:29:14] you want to do that thing don't do that thing

[01:29:16] because you're playing a game for a million

[01:29:18] dollars with people who are looking

[01:29:20] for any reason to vote somebody

[01:29:22] out and any reason to point the

[01:29:24] finger at someone else except at

[01:29:26] them so for TK

[01:29:28] I just don't think he was able to

[01:29:30] appreciate those nuances

[01:29:32] with this game and how every

[01:29:34] little thing that you do

[01:29:36] can add up and we talked about all

[01:29:38] of those red flags that kept building and

[01:29:40] I think he had a whole line of red flags by the time

[01:29:42] he got to tribal council

[01:29:44] and he didn't even realize that they

[01:29:46] were there so unfortunately

[01:29:48] for TK I think that

[01:29:50] the idea of him playing survivor was

[01:29:52] great and I think he had all of the

[01:29:54] things that you need to play this game well

[01:29:56] except

[01:29:58] realizing who he was

[01:30:00] in this game and how that could

[01:30:02] affect his game in the end

[01:30:04] I agree I just came up

[01:30:06] with a point and again if I don't say it

[01:30:08] I'm going to forget about it but it's something

[01:30:09] we haven't talked about

[01:30:11] him going on the journey at the beginning

[01:30:14] of the game

[01:30:15] and he said that in his exit interviews

[01:30:18] that he thinks that that negatively

[01:30:20] affects

[01:30:21] his ability to strategize in the beginning

[01:30:24] and I don't think this is talked

[01:30:26] about enough it really

[01:30:28] makes a difference when you are

[01:30:30] isolated from your tribe when you hit

[01:30:32] that beach you imagine

[01:30:34] for years

[01:30:36] for me it was decades about

[01:30:39] what you would actually

[01:30:40] do when you're on that island

[01:30:42] and there is something

[01:30:44] to be said about

[01:30:46] the people that are there with you

[01:30:48] the second year feet hit the beach

[01:30:50] and you have that

[01:30:52] oh shit moment

[01:30:54] this is really happening what are we

[01:30:56] doing I know we're supposed to build shelter and start fire

[01:30:58] and get water and all this stuff but like

[01:31:00] what do you actually do in those moments

[01:31:03] there is almost

[01:31:04] like a sense of panic that you have

[01:31:06] and you immediately bond

[01:31:08] with those people we didn't

[01:31:10] why do you think me, Carla, James and Cassidy

[01:31:12] were like a solid four

[01:31:14] I mean I think we would have eventually

[01:31:16] gravitated towards each other but like

[01:31:18] I don't know what would have happened if one of us

[01:31:20] had to stay back and do this

[01:31:21] challenge it's not a coincidence that

[01:31:24] it was James and

[01:31:26] I mean Ryan and Gio

[01:31:28] versus all of us those were the two

[01:31:30] that were isolated from the tribe

[01:31:32] the first few hours of the game

[01:31:34] starting and it's important

[01:31:36] you can say like

[01:31:38] and TK had said it he said

[01:31:40] if I have an opportunity to go on a journey

[01:31:42] I'm gonna go and do it

[01:31:44] guys future survivor players y'all can

[01:31:46] do it but it comes at a cost I promise you

[01:31:48] yes it just does

[01:31:50] yeah so

[01:31:52] we talked last week about how Asia was

[01:31:54] lucky to escape it because

[01:31:56] she had Teenie there

[01:31:57] who already knew who she was

[01:32:00] and wanted to loop her in so

[01:32:02] yep but also

[01:32:04] Asia's a super

[01:32:05] likable person I'm not saying TK isn't a

[01:32:07] likable person but again

[01:32:09] it just gives you one more reason

[01:32:11] right you know when you're looking for

[01:32:13] reasons to not like people or to not bond

[01:32:15] with them

[01:32:18] this is what happens yeah

[01:32:19] mm-hmm all right well as I mentioned

[01:32:21] earlier TK said in his final words

[01:32:23] this tribe voted him out because they don't

[01:32:25] value winning but we know that's not true

[01:32:28] and he even admitted

[01:32:29] that his tribe had other strong players on it

[01:32:31] TK seemed to have some things

[01:32:33] going for him he was strong

[01:32:35] in challenges he appeared to have put together

[01:32:37] a four-person majority alliance with a three-person

[01:32:39] core inside of it

[01:32:40] he may have been right in saying that on another tribe

[01:32:43] in different circumstances his challenge strength

[01:32:46] could have been valued

[01:32:47] enough to keep him around but we can only

[01:32:49] look at his tribe and

[01:32:51] these circumstances

[01:32:53] and the way he played was such that the negatives

[01:32:56] outweighed

[01:32:56] whatever positives that challenge strength might have brought

[01:33:00] in the pregame as you mentioned

[01:33:02] Jessica TK said he'd use his

[01:33:04] social game to make up for any situation

[01:33:06] where him being a challenge beast

[01:33:08] got him in trouble

[01:33:10] instead it was the opposite

[01:33:12] TK annoyed Sue with the way he treated her

[01:33:15] TK annoyed Tiana with the way

[01:33:16] he also treated her in a different manner

[01:33:18] TK annoyed Gabe through the way he acted

[01:33:20] strategically

[01:33:21] he went after Sue in tribal council telling her how to play

[01:33:25] quote

[01:33:25] that's the things you have to do on survivor

[01:33:28] you have to have those conversations

[01:33:29] if you're not we all know by watching the game

[01:33:32] things can change

[01:33:33] well apparently he didn't see from watching the game

[01:33:36] that taking a leadership position and telling people what to do

[01:33:38] is not generally a great idea

[01:33:41] he admitted he didn't really talk

[01:33:43] to Tiana or Caroline

[01:33:44] and the way he talked to Gabe was not exactly

[01:33:46] conducive of a great relationship

[01:33:49] as we mentioned in the fifth

[01:33:50] rule TK said he had a lot of

[01:33:52] confidence and refused to change for the game

[01:33:54] the thing is this

[01:33:56] game is all about altering your behavior

[01:33:59] so you can work with others

[01:34:00] not insisting on being yourself and saying

[01:34:02] everyone else should adapt to you

[01:34:04] you can't just come into survivor

[01:34:06] with a personality like that and say

[01:34:08] you're not going to dim your light

[01:34:10] because then other people

[01:34:12] will ensure that your torch's

[01:34:14] light is snuffed out for you

[01:34:16] TK said he was playing chess

[01:34:18] everybody else was playing checkers

[01:34:20] but they were the ones deciding

[01:34:22] which game was being played

[01:34:23] and he got double jumped

[01:34:25] and that is why TK lost

[01:34:28] that's good David

[01:34:29] well done

[01:34:32] love that

[01:34:34] excellent

[01:34:36] double jumped

[01:34:37] they dimmed his light

[01:34:38] they snuffed his light

[01:34:42] before we get to our predictions

[01:34:43] for the next episode

[01:34:45] I do want to quickly remind people

[01:34:46] that the rules we just discussed are available

[01:34:48] in poster form

[01:34:50] or poster on a t-shirt

[01:34:52] more checklist on a t-shirt

[01:34:54] which Lindsay still thinks she's getting from

[01:34:57] I'm getting it

[01:34:59] I will see

[01:35:01] so

[01:35:03] again go to

[01:35:05] robhiswebsite.com

[01:35:06] but before

[01:35:10] again before we get

[01:35:11] to the

[01:35:13] to our

[01:35:14] predictions

[01:35:15] people can find this elsewhere also

[01:35:18] they definitely can because I'm really bad at my predictions

[01:35:20] so we'll talk about this first

[01:35:22] you can find me on twitter

[01:35:24] I'm at jescaluis89

[01:35:26] I'm also on instagram

[01:35:27] at jescaluis6789

[01:35:29] but I really just steal all the content from David Bloomberg

[01:35:31] because he posts so much content

[01:35:35] and he has a link

[01:35:36] tree in order to

[01:35:38] tell everyone where they can find him

[01:35:40] the social guru that he is

[01:35:41] which you can see if you are watching

[01:35:43] he has many many locations

[01:35:45] where you can find David Bloomberg

[01:35:47] so where can they find you David Bloomberg?

[01:35:49] yes you can find me on my link tree

[01:35:51] at linktree slash davidblumberg

[01:35:53] and in the url there's a dot before the EE

[01:35:54] because that's just the way they do it

[01:35:56] you can find me directly

[01:35:58] on twitter and blue sky

[01:35:59] on threads is at davidblumbergTV

[01:36:02] and as you mentioned I am on youtube

[01:36:05] tiktok and instagram is at davidblumbergTV

[01:36:07] now I say that I

[01:36:09] have been posting three or more

[01:36:11] videos per day through the summer

[01:36:13] but this past week it's been four or five

[01:36:15] every day it's just crazy

[01:36:17] all the big brother all the survivor content

[01:36:19] plus some additional

[01:36:21] shows like

[01:36:23] the circle and the anonymous

[01:36:25] and the traders canada

[01:36:26] by the way I am also

[01:36:29] co-hosting a podcast

[01:36:30] on the traders canada on the trade

[01:36:33] r which is tr a i d a r

[01:36:35] if you can find that wherever

[01:36:36] you get your podcast so yeah

[01:36:38] I'm a little bit busy right now

[01:36:41] but people can definitely find me

[01:36:43] wherever they want

[01:36:45] Lindsay where can they find you

[01:36:47] I don't know my handles

[01:36:49] I am mostly on

[01:36:51] Instagram

[01:36:53] posting about my kids

[01:36:55] and Taylor Swift

[01:36:56] and you know all the fun

[01:36:58] cheesy stuff that I post

[01:37:00] and then you can usually find me on twitter

[01:37:02] I'm trying to get better

[01:37:03] about tweeting in real time when I'm watching the episode

[01:37:06] I don't know how you guys do it

[01:37:08] I really don't because

[01:37:09] I can't like watch the show

[01:37:11] and tweet at the same time

[01:37:13] there's a reason that you know

[01:37:15] there's more than one reason I have to rewatch

[01:37:17] and tweet is part of it

[01:37:18] I don't know how you do it

[01:37:20] so I'm trying to get better about that

[01:37:23] but twitter is mostly just for like

[01:37:25] survivor content otherwise it's

[01:37:27] really overlaid for me

[01:37:28] but I love talking to fans

[01:37:30] I'm always at a lot of the survivor events

[01:37:33] I'm going to Rob has a podcast in New York

[01:37:36] I'll be at a lot of

[01:37:37] the Bryson Wynn events coming up soon

[01:37:40] so come say hi

[01:37:41] I love love love talking to fans

[01:37:44] so yeah

[01:37:45] that's where you can find me

[01:37:46] okay well

[01:37:48] time for predictions and I will go ahead first

[01:37:52] in the preview

[01:37:53] we saw Annika seemingly getting

[01:37:55] snotty and asking Sam and Sierra

[01:37:57] if they're dating

[01:37:58] which is a rather odd question

[01:38:00] we also see Sam say he's pissed off

[01:38:03] but we don't know if that's related to

[01:38:05] Annika or something completely different

[01:38:07] he could have stubbed his toe for all we know

[01:38:09] and in this episode

[01:38:12] even though Gada won the challenge

[01:38:14] we saw them squabbling

[01:38:15] with each other several times during it

[01:38:17] and as TK said to Dalton Ross

[01:38:19] in an interview about his own tribe's behavior

[01:38:21] during the challenge the game on the island

[01:38:23] can quickly transition into challenges as well

[01:38:26] and I would add vice versa

[01:38:27] so I do think

[01:38:28] that was an indicator I mean we already know

[01:38:31] there's some squabbling going on there

[01:38:33] and yeah I think that will carry it

[01:38:35] meanwhile

[01:38:37] Rome feels like he's running the game

[01:38:39] he said that on

[01:38:41] in the preview

[01:38:42] which is typically something we hear from someone

[01:38:45] who's about to be voted out

[01:38:46] but we know he well

[01:38:48] I believe and Jessica believes

[01:38:51] he can't be voted out because

[01:38:52] he will not be voted out

[01:38:55] Lindsay would believe

[01:38:57] well that's why he's saying

[01:38:59] he's running the game because he's going to use his idol

[01:39:01] some other way

[01:39:02] this is a t-shirt moment right here

[01:39:05] I love it

[01:39:07] I already mentioned

[01:39:08] what I think if Tukku loses again

[01:39:10] that it's possible Gabe would go

[01:39:12] although the more we've talked about it

[01:39:15] I'm not so convinced of that

[01:39:18] and

[01:39:18] you know but

[01:39:20] I think if

[01:39:21] if God loses

[01:39:23] going back to that tribe

[01:39:25] Sam will protect Andy

[01:39:27] and Anika will go

[01:39:29] and I also previously mentioned

[01:39:32] of course which started this whole bet

[01:39:34] that if Lavo loses

[01:39:36] my last my prediction

[01:39:38] from last week of Genevieve

[01:39:40] stands

[01:39:41] and so what I'm going to do after saying all that

[01:39:43] is stand by my prediction of last week

[01:39:45] that Genevieve is the one who goes next

[01:39:49] fascinating

[01:39:51] okay

[01:39:53] alright

[01:39:54] Jessica you want to go next I'm trying to pull up

[01:39:57] the tribes because

[01:39:58] I think

[01:39:59] this is my cheat sheet everyone

[01:40:01] I printed this so that way I can see

[01:40:04] everyone oh I want one of those

[01:40:05] where'd you get that

[01:40:06] I got it online isn't this great

[01:40:10] nice

[01:40:11] nice little cheat sheet here

[01:40:13] I you know here's the thing

[01:40:15] I always feel like

[01:40:17] I get it wrong anyway right

[01:40:20] it's like it doesn't really matter

[01:40:22] at this point

[01:40:24] but oh goodness

[01:40:26] I

[01:40:29] I want to go back

[01:40:31] I do want to go back to God

[01:40:32] because I just I do feel

[01:40:34] like there's been so much

[01:40:36] Andy like we've seen

[01:40:38] so much Andy that I feel like

[01:40:40] there there's there's got to be reason

[01:40:42] it's like we're seeing so much Rome

[01:40:43] like I feel like there's gotta be a reason

[01:40:46] there's got to be a reason

[01:40:48] I love that

[01:40:49] so I do feel like

[01:40:52] we need to go back to

[01:40:53] and I think that

[01:40:55] the the same

[01:40:57] saving Andy component

[01:40:59] is is going to come true

[01:41:02] and I agree with the

[01:41:04] with Annika but I think it's gonna be

[01:41:06] and I think it's gonna be Annika

[01:41:07] okay

[01:41:09] all right

[01:41:10] so if it's

[01:41:12] I believe

[01:41:14] Kyle's the one that's going home

[01:41:16] okay

[01:41:18] if it's gotta

[01:41:20] I think it is

[01:41:23] Annika going home

[01:41:24] even though I think it should be Andy

[01:41:26] Oh is it Annika?

[01:41:27] Annika I'm sorry

[01:41:30] my brain's not working

[01:41:31] all right and then who do I have left

[01:41:35] Lobo

[01:41:35] I think Rome's going home

[01:41:38] yeah you gotta stick to it

[01:41:40] he's really sticking to the T-shirt

[01:41:41] well you got to you gotta stick to it now

[01:41:43] she can't change that

[01:41:44] I'm actually questioning why

[01:41:46] why you guys think there is a chance

[01:41:49] that he would not go home

[01:41:51] because he has an idol

[01:41:52] it doesn't matter

[01:41:54] they will either get him to play for someone else

[01:41:56] or they won't get him to play it at all

[01:41:58] well there's no way he's not playing at all

[01:42:00] I mean it's a one use idol

[01:42:02] so

[01:42:02] someone can say let me hold it

[01:42:04] I don't know

[01:42:08] we'll see

[01:42:09] so which do you think will actually happen

[01:42:11] which of those three

[01:42:14] did I just close that out

[01:42:17] let's go

[01:42:19] let's go with the

[01:42:21] go all the way just say Rome

[01:42:22] yeah Rome let's go Rome

[01:42:24] you might as well

[01:42:25] you've gone this far with it you might as well

[01:42:27] might as well stick to it

[01:42:29] alright we'll go all in

[01:42:32] alright Rome that doesn't mean that I don't like you

[01:42:34] yeah I just think you're going home

[01:42:36] um

[01:42:37] as we

[01:42:39] Rome rock okay this is happening

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[01:43:39] am I thinking people now

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[01:43:44] of where we're at in these

[01:43:45] in these you know podcasts

[01:43:47] so we would like to thank everyone

[01:43:49] at R.J.P.

[01:43:51] who knows reality TV thank you so

[01:43:53] much for all of the work to do

[01:43:55] scott st. pierre the editing is fantastic

[01:43:57] Jessica sterling producer

[01:43:59] editor we love all of the work that you do

[01:44:01] all of the content not just with

[01:44:03] white blank loss but there is so

[01:44:05] much material out there I

[01:44:07] believe Lindsay might have said sometimes it can be

[01:44:09] an overload because there is so much

[01:44:11] and that might have been a discussion we were having prior to

[01:44:13] but there is so much

[01:44:15] content that if you want to learn about

[01:44:17] how to play survivor this is

[01:44:19] where you want to be you want to be looking at

[01:44:21] this page here you want to be

[01:44:22] starting this right here

[01:44:25] start with us and then work

[01:44:27] backwards this is something you should definitely

[01:44:29] consider so thank you to everyone for

[01:44:31] all of the work the R.J.P. staff

[01:44:33] team is fantastic Lindsay

[01:44:35] thank you for

[01:44:37] joining us thank you

[01:44:39] for placing this bet

[01:44:40] against me

[01:44:43] in particular

[01:44:45] that's my way of just assuring

[01:44:46] that you guys asked me to come back

[01:44:48] so

[01:44:49] she's bribing us with t-shirts

[01:44:51] oh this is a very smart game

[01:44:54] move I try

[01:44:56] I try

[01:44:58] but do I say that

[01:45:00] I have a regular now can we say that

[01:45:02] yes you

[01:45:03] can we say that

[01:45:04] we took a picture

[01:45:08] in Chicago

[01:45:10] with the

[01:45:12] return me Jessica unfortunately

[01:45:14] couldn't make it but

[01:45:15] you me and Heidi as

[01:45:17] the you know

[01:45:18] the returning yes and guess who's going to be here

[01:45:21] next week with us Heidi

[01:45:23] so yes

[01:45:25] yeah

[01:45:27] so yes we have

[01:45:29] we have Heidi coming next week

[01:45:31] and we have Liz coming the week

[01:45:33] after that so

[01:45:36] wow

[01:45:37] wow

[01:45:39] stacking it up I love

[01:45:41] it I love it I love it well I think

[01:45:43] it just speaks to how

[01:45:45] much we love

[01:45:47] the two of you as

[01:45:49] previous survivor players

[01:45:51] and it just brings us so much joy

[01:45:53] and as much as I love to joke around with you guys

[01:45:55] in all seriousness

[01:45:57] coming on here and being able to chat with

[01:45:59] survivor is just one of the

[01:46:01] highlights of like this entire experience

[01:46:03] so thank you guys for letting me come

[01:46:05] on here and talk with you

[01:46:07] and share my survivor knowledge so I

[01:46:09] appreciate it well thank you thank you

[01:46:11] yeah as always we're you know we're

[01:46:13] very happy to have you come on

[01:46:15] and you know keep coming on

[01:46:17] so I love it thank you

[01:46:19] oh yeah especially if you keep buying us

[01:46:21] people

[01:46:25] that's not the reason

[01:46:28] but

[01:46:28] yes thank you again thank you Jessica

[01:46:31] for another great episode

[01:46:32] and yeah we will be back

[01:46:35] here in a week with Heidi

[01:46:36] be sure

[01:46:38] that you watch

[01:46:39] why blank and blank

[01:46:41] since it was a double eviction lost

[01:46:43] for a big brother

[01:46:44] that's already published I recorded that

[01:46:47] like two hours less than two hours

[01:46:49] before recording this one so

[01:46:52] plenty plenty of content

[01:46:53] out there and

[01:46:55] we will see you soon bye

[01:46:57] bye

[01:47:09] you playing yourself

[01:47:10] and god vote it out

[01:47:12] this is why blank lost

[01:47:17] this is why blank lost

[01:47:19] baby this is why

[01:47:21] blank lost

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