Why ___ Lost Preview | Survivor 47

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: If you lost survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around.

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_00]: They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how.

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You blamed yourself and got voted out.

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: This is why __ lost.

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is why __ lost.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh baby, this is why __ lost.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the Survivor version of Why __ Lost as we kick things off with our Survivor

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: 47 preview.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm David Bloomberg and I'm excited to be joined once again by my co-host Jessica Lewis.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello everyone.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been so long since not only I've chatted with David here, but also all of you.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So I appreciate all the listeners coming out for season 40 several, right?

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Here it comes.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very excited.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So yes, it's good to be back.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I've missed you David and I've appreciated your patience with my absence.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I've missed you too.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, viewers, if you're Big Brother watchers also, you know, they haven't

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: had the opportunity to miss me so much because I've of course been discussing

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Big Brother 26 with OV Kabir through the summer.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But with Survivor returning this week, I'm going to be pulling double duty for a

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: month or so.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at you.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You're so dedicated.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, for those who have watched or listened to us before, welcome

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: back.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: For any new listeners, once the season starts each week, we'll discuss

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: what every voted out player did right and wrong in terms of rules that I

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: originally wrote way back after the very first Survivor season, otherwise known as

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: before some of these players were born and have been updating ever since.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We look at each episode and also back to everything that has led up to it.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't just rely on what's on TV, but we also dive into everything

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that's available. That's not a spoiler, including interviews, secret scenes,

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: social media and whatever else we can get our hands on.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: David digs very deep.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, for this episode, obviously with it being a preview, we're going to talk

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: about the different players.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And by now I expect that people have had time to listen to Mike Bloom's

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: interviews here on RHAP or read them in Parade plus other information

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that's going around about the players.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not going to go through and rehash every little piece of

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: information, and we're not going to get into the little details unless

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: we believe they are specifically pertinent to our analysis.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, we will talk briefly about each player and focus as much

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: as possible on things we believe will be important to their game

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and how we think they'll do with my rules based on those things

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that they've said.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then at the end, we'll each pick who we think will do the

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: best and the worst.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And as a reminder, three seasons ago, someone on this podcast got

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the correct winner prediction.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, OK.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone meaning David Bloomberg, because everyone knows Jessica

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: never picks the winner unless your name is JT.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was many, many, many, many, many years ago before I

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: was doing this podcast.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So throwing that out there, I actually considered this when I was trying

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: to prep for all of this and working through all the players.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it wasn't a dartboard.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You'll like this even better.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking I should write all of their names on rocks and I should

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: just put them in a bag and stick my hand in the bag and pick one out.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the winner, because we also know I'm bad at picking rocks.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So OK, OK, I have to say that would have been good podcast viewing.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been, you know, so it would have been great.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I could still get I can make my son do it right now.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So then I wouldn't even know what the rocks feel like.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I could make Owen do it, be like, go write all these names

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: on these rocks and bring them down to your mother.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And then at the end of the podcast, we can do a grand reveal

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'll stick my hand in the bag of rocks.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to do that and if he'll do that, I think that would be funny.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: We could pull this off. We could pull this off.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so now I have to get in touch with my son during the podcast.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I know. I know.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, while Jessica's doing that, I'm texting.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Well, Jessica is doing that.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to remind everyone, listeners and especially any contestants

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: tuning in, remember that we're basing almost everything

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll be discussing off a relatively small amount of information.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So if we sounds if we say it sounds like someone's game will be terrible.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously it will be 100 percent right.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's always the off, off, off, off chance that,

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, we we might be wrong since it is only based on

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: what they happen to say in interviews.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So with that said, I also want to mention

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I meant to mention this earlier.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I said we'll focus on things that are important, you know, specifically to our game.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to be honest.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: There's also things in here that are important to us personally,

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: like when people, you know, have hot takes that completely agree with us.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to mention that.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good way to get mentioned on on this podcast.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So and there's a number of people like that.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get started.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: My son wants to know if he's going to be on camera.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's up to him.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That is up to him. He can tell him.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go through each tribe alphabetically by first name.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the tribe alphabetically and then the first name alphabetically.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So we will begin with the

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Gata or Gata tribe and Andy,

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: who is 31, an AI research assistant from your neck of the woods,

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of Buffalo, New York, now in Boston.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Buffalo is near you.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Buffalo is probably like two and a half hours away.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, that's so near.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Close. Yeah, not so near me.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And now further, he's in Boston.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He is a longtime and well-known R.H.A.P. patron.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So right off the bat, we're starting with one there.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a lot of R.H.A.P. connections in this in this group.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: One of those, of course, is Asia.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we haven't gotten to her yet.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We will. But I think, you know, just as a little bit of a preview,

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I think almost everyone listening knows she's an R.H.A.P.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast who is also on the season.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And Andy obviously knows a lot about her.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He said, if I ever get a chance to link up with her,

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely down to work with her deep into the game.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is great to hear because I keep wanting to see an R.H.A.P. alliance.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather see.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. And I'm not ignoring you.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just chatting with Owen for two seconds.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So you take off on this.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I would rather see a specific Y blank lost alliance.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And there have been a couple of times when there were enough players

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: in a single place who listened to this podcast

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and that they could have done it, but they didn't tell each other.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to reveal that information.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So we need to come up with a super secret.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Why blank lost password?

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So if anyone has any good ideas,

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: let me know and we'll tell future players they can drop that into conversation.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it'll be like, oh,

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: so before I came out here, I went on a balloon ride and someone could say,

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, I went on a balloon ride to I don't know why I came up with balloon right.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I was just going to ask you like, why are we talking about a balloon

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: ride? I'm a little distracted at the moment because now I'm dealing with.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We're looking for code phrases for Y blank lost listeners, you know,

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: better than the ones that survivor came up with.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're not going to have them talk about a rabbit

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: eating in a mailbox or.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that was that was quite silly.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I will say that I know that that was something I know we're not talking

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: about her yet, but I I don't love the phrases.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We've already kind of addressed them and been through that previously

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: when they were talking about them.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was one of those things where I was like, no, no,

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: these are our phrases, though these are for our and that's fine.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: If it's just phrases to support us, that's great.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But phrases like as part of the game now,

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: we'll get we'll definitely get to her.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, but yes, I do think it's very fascinating to know that

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: like how.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Her perception is going to be and the fact that Andy was like,

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm into it like this and I and it's very interesting

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: because one of the components of survivor that makes it difficult

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: is you're walking into this game playing with complete strangers,

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: people you know nothing about.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And Andy's like, I know like 10 things about her.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I know she loves dogs and I like all like

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's taken off all these things.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like he's got a leg up almost on all of the things

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: he knows about her because she doesn't know any of those things about him.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a very interesting place to find yourself in.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do love that he wants to like kind of use it to his advantage

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: in that way.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just thought that was quite fascinating.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She's coming in as a known as opposed to an unknown.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And that could certainly affect her game, but we'll get to her.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Andy, of course, prepared by listening to our J.P.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: podcasts, whether it was, you know, officially preparing or,

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, just what he normally does.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Beyond that, he studied puzzles and became good at fire making

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and also research challenge hacks and even worked on his grip strength

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: before Charlie mentioned it last season.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: As he told Mike Bloom, any edge you can get. Yes.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And he says he'll try to play like Omer, who he says demonstrated

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the optimal blueprint for a good new era game in terms of prioritizing

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: social capital information and options in a way that keeps a lower threat level.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So rules one, five and six.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Boom. All at once. Yes.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Very good. Mm hmm.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I liked Andy's answer to the question of what he would value in an alliance partner

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: because he was completely honest in a way that we've discussed here before.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That is, of course, everyone should want an alliance partner who is,

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: as he said, not willing to win at all costs and that is susceptible to true loyalty.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I need this person to want to take me to the end, even if they're not sure

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: they can beat me.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There can either be some moral compass they bring to in the game

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: or because they just love me that much.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like if someone asked, how would you like to get a million dollars?

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The real answer is just hand it to him right now.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's not likely.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But if someone asked me, you know, OK, and same same with him.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not likely he's going to find someone like that.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But that was the question.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, hey, shoot for the stars with that.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I do think that he's he seems to have like a good

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: overall vibe about him, because if you remember back when they were doing

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the pregame for the last season because he was the alternate,

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe, for last season, he wasn't one of the alternates.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Then who was the alternate for the last?

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So I got that wrong.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He made it to the final round.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's what it was.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They made it to the final round.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but there there seemed to be like,

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that he certainly has

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: he has again that same familiarity.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of been through this process, which I think can also help him

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because, again, there's an unknown factor to all of this, right?

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_03]: When you're going into the game and you don't know what you're doing.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's already been through that part as well.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's interesting to see if that's going to have any effect.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I do find it fascinating that there's a lot of players

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: who have kind of like been through the process and made it so far,

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but then didn't get the final call.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So you end up having more of an understanding

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: of what they're kind of looking for because you've been through it.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm curious to see if that's going to end up enabling him to.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Affect his overthinking, right?

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's one of the concerns he has.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He's an over thinker.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So is he going to get caught up in his own head

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_03]: with with the game mechanics and things that he thinks he knows,

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the things that he thinks he's learned, the facts and he knows some people?

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope he doesn't get caught up in his own head

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: with all of those parts of the game.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you mentioned, you know, that a lot of the people this season

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: have been through the casting process multiple times.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: To me, that's encouragement to anyone who has applied and been rejected.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, keep going.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it sure.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does happen.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: As far as his overthinking, I mean, I know the feeling,

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, but on Survivor, he said he needs to realize that

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and take deep breaths and trust his instincts.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I know the feeling it isn't easy.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But he thinks he has the ability to charm and disarm people

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, that he's just confident being himself.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't met anyone in his adult life who's disliked him.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Although there is fascinating.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, maybe, maybe you're just blissfully unaware.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm you know, I'm I'm how old is he?

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more than I'm not.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm almost twice his age.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I met plenty of people who, you know, more than twice as many people

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: who don't like me.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that's hard to believe.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a big claim to make that you've lived your whole life

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and you've never met someone who doesn't like you.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you blissfully unaware or are you really just the most

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: person ever?

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I find it incredibly.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Fascinating that you've never met one person that doesn't like you.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's already one person on this cast, a fellow R.H.A.P.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: super fan who doesn't like him based on their impressions.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Perception. Yes.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. So don't always assume because you know what they say about assume.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. So interesting.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's an interesting little, yeah, little side note.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of rule seven, Andy said the real advantage isn't so much an idol itself,

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but in knowing where the advantages are and that power to do what you want

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: with having the target on your back.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of truth in that.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I, of course, like Andy,

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe I've personally interacted with him, though

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I have heard him on a number of different patron call in shows.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I have high hopes for him.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has a good chance of doing very well.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. And he does come into the game with some solid understanding

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: of this world that I've talked about, this underbelly kind of world

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that exists where people pick things apart like we do.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that we're an underbelly.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that makes it sound terrible.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're, you know.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Tips, you know, under the table.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I know. I know.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea that there was such an intense, like podcasting

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: like world that existed and all of these platforms for discussing Survivor.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Even when I went out there was one of those things where you're like, oh, wow.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea. And he does.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm curious again if that's going to help him.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But it seems to be a theme that we are seeing more and more of

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that there is this direct involvement in this world and in this group

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and with these platforms.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I have high hopes for him as well,

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: except we do have that one issue where someone on his tribe might not like him.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Well, I think I think they're on a different tribe, which is good.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait a second.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. I'll have to look at my I have notes.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of notes. Yes.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. We can move on to Anika.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh. She is 26, a marketing manager from California,

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and she is one of the people who started watching Survivor during the beginning of COVID.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to tell you, I don't feel like I got a ton out of Anika's interview and info.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that makes it a little difficult.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: She said she will make alliances based on her gut feelings and intuition,

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but also wants to align with someone willing to information, which I mean,

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, it's not much of an alliance if you don't share information at the very least.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: She thinks her experience being a project manager will help

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: because she's learned very well how to analyze different personality types

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and can tailor her communication styles to each one of them.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: To me, that sounds like something that may work on paper,

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but perhaps not in real life.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could just be.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't had the greatest experiences with project managers,

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but I also hear that term bandied about in, you know,

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say, you know, I don't want to lump all project managers together.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: My former associate editor on my website was a project manager and she was great.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I just hear stories from my sons about project managers and I, you know.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So. I don't know, I also feel like we've had that before where they on the show,

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: we've had project managers who thought that their skills would translate and I can't pinpoint anyone.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't quiz me, you know.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I won't quiz you because I wouldn't remember either.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll say that the one of the concerns that we've referenced a lot on this podcast

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: is those best laid plans don't always work out when you come in to play the game

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: because you have to be able to adapt to what is happening around you and to the people that are on your tribe.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So you can come in and think, and she describes herself literally as a planner.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And so and she is the person who would lead the charge.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And if your group project, that could certainly not bode well if the people around her don't appreciate that.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they don't want to lead or maybe they don't want someone to plan everything out.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But then someone might throw her under the bus and go, yeah, go ahead.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So then the focus point will be on her as opposed to them, and they'll let her take the fall for things.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So I do think that she needs to be more aware of the effect that that could have.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: She thinks it's going to be positive.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It could definitely be a negative, just as you described.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So that definitely is something that I'm worried about for her as well,

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: that she just might come across as as like too interested in leading the charge

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and too interested in telling people what to do, because she thinks that's a positive.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Might not be.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. She also mentioned she knows she can have an expressive face

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and needs to watch it so she doesn't show when she's annoyed or doesn't like something.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Which, yeah, that's true.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, her hot take isn't very hot, but does go along with what we say every season,

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: which is that people are too hesitant to play their idols. Of course.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: All of them went out there to film, you know, near the

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: middle end of of season 46, right during the run of people being voted out

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: with an idol in their pocket pocket.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's top of mind for all of them.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and they didn't even see the full extent of it.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, she could have still been quoting us when she said,

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that if you have any inclination, any at all, that you are the target,

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: there's no harm in playing your idol because it is worse to go home with it

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: as a souvenir. Yeah.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And as we've discussed, they don't even let you take it home

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: as a souvenir anymore. That I know that's so that's so awful.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You should get to if it's in your pocket.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Overall, I like I said, I don't have much of a feel for how she will play.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't even really suggest what rules she'll do well in.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a bad feeling she may go out early.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, but here's the interesting part about her as well, too, though,

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: is that she was kind of taken by what I believe is Rachel

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: because she described her as RL and Rachel is on her tribe.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if maybe they would end up hitting things off.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And she also mentioned Sam as well, because she was talking about SP.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: She thinks Sam's got a little bit of a red flag.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know again if that's going to because again,

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: she's coming in with ideas and plans.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It might work for her, it might not.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get to Rachel as well.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they'll end up driving or not.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But even if they do, a little spoiler alert for when we get to Rachel.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a great feel about Rachel either.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't either. I would I would spoiler alert as well.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So I totally agree that I have some concerns with her just in the

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the perception of yourself is not necessarily the perception

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that other people will always have a view.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And and I appreciate that there's I think it's actually John

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: who we're going to be talking about next was talking about how his

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: his like strength and his kryptonite are basically one in the same.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I I appreciate that kind of understanding of who you are

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: when you're coming into play a game like this, because you can realize

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: the negative and the positive.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if Anika really necessarily sees it that way.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And so and I and but we'll see.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's go ahead and move to John.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He is, of course, John Lovett.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the only well, maybe the only last name

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll mention because it's known he's 41.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a podcast host in L.A..

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He is, of course, the most famous participant in Survivor 47,

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: being a former presidential speechwriter and TV writer,

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: current host for a major political comedy podcast.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But until now, he had always kept his survivor

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: fandom secret because he wanted to catch up on old seasons

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: without being spoiled, which I think is hilarious.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's hilarious.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's dedication right there. Right.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He does not plan to lie about who he is, which is smart,

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think it would be way too easy for him to be recognized.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He said he'll just tell people he's had success in podcasting.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And if someone knows the show, he'll say, you know, oh, that's exciting.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He also said podcasting is the most embarrassing job in the world,

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: which I have to take some offense to there, John.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so embarrassed.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, discussing his own personality,

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: John told Mike Bloom that he has an intensity that can be persuasive

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: persuasive and charismatic and can bring people along,

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but also has the possibility of turning people off and pushing them away.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But he doesn't want to not be himself.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's just thinking about how to put forth the better version of him.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And that's what I'm saying.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I really love that he's recognizing that about himself.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he has kind of this like there's a calming air about him,

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: like when he speaks, which is probably coming from the podcasting component.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that would certainly work well for him

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: in this environment, because if you know how to communicate,

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: then you're going to be better at this game.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Period. I just really, truly believe that it comes down to communication.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And if he's willing to think those things through

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and which way he needs to actually interact with the people on his tribe,

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's going to bode very well for him.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it needs to be a bag that I can't see through.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. So we're back to the bag.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, I do I will say that there was one comment

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that he made that I if I'm going to make a T-shirt

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: to represent this this whole group of people,

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: he's the winner because it says.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Regarding making a fire at Final Four.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: In war, nobody fights an extra battle to prove they are good at war.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is amazing.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: That needs to be put in. Yeah, it's incredible.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny that he has not dug into survivor social media

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: in his quest to remain unspoiled because that hot take

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: could have come right from us.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But yes, that example was even better than anything we've done.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: When I was I was like, I almost got chills when I heard that.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, that's beautiful.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, it relates to, you know, he said to add to that.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He said this idea that you have to make big moves.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to build your resume up to and including people say,

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, I may put myself in fire to prove that I deserve it.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he said that.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he said, it's not strategy.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the theater of strategy to put on the show for a jury.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It feels performative.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I mean,

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it's true that a lot of the jury in front of the jury is performative.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So. But yes, I like that he that he said that.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing that he he had interesting

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts about in terms of the game itself,

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he noted, it's important to have some kind of strategic

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: thinking about how you're going to approach this game.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But in the end, I do think this game is won or lost

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: by how people play against themselves, how they manage their frustrations,

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: their annoyances, their insecurities, their paranoia, their hopes,

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: their expectations when they're hungry, when they're tired,

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: when they haven't spoken to a person they can truly trust in weeks.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And how to make sure when you're in that state,

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: you aren't losing touch with your feelings about the game or other players.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So you've obviously been there.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of that?

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's spot on it because you have to spend

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: so much time doing self-reflection when you're out there

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: because someone could be doing something that is annoying you to no end.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But you you have to minimize it.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't talk about it because you're like, that person's working with me.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So I can't make a big deal about this.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Someone could say something that you would normally find offensive

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and you might want to respond to.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But you realize in this moment, in this game, not important.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm putting that aside just as your rules of, you know,

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_03]: keep politics out of the game kind of thing. Right.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So there is there is I think that he's that is such an incredible idea

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that he is going into this game with and understanding that

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because you can only play this game if you understand yourself

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and understand how other people are going to perceive you

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and also understand how you acting with this person

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: or interacting with them, how they're going to respond.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that is 100 percent accurate.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel very good about John.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I he just seems to have such a deeper level of thinking about this game

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: than we normally see.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like I crammed all the episodes and I've seen everything.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I can tell you, you know, it is more it's a it's a deeper level.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And I appreciate that.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm hoping that he's able to show the world

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that this is what you need to do to play this game,

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03]: is you have to be thinking about it in a different level.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel very good about John.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has the smarts and skills to do well in multiple rules,

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: such as one in five in particular.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The one thing I worry about is if people recognize him,

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: he could be deemed as a threat pretty quickly.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And that is that is definitely a concern for sure.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. We'll move on to Rachel, who is 34 and a graphic designer in Michigan.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: She found Survivor in 2017,

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: but since then has even gone so far as to watch South African Survivor.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: She was an alternate last season.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I did. I have that as a no.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But as I indicated earlier, she was another one.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't get a feel for her much out of her interviews.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was very like, hmm.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm glad it's not just me.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: One example was here was the question of why she'll be the winner.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And she started right off

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: by talking about reading the jury to get their votes.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, that's putting the cart before the horse.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: First, you have to get there. I mean, she's right.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That is important with Appendix B, but it's not what I would lead off with.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I agree.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's definitely there was just kind of like

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_03]: she left me wanting when I was listening to her speak and talk about the game.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just kind of like, uh, OK.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I just I wasn't like

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't feeling inspired with the with the responses.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't know if she's

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if she's going to bring what she needs to,

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: because there are some people in this cast that are very much like

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: they're going to grab your attention.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. But also, there's something to be said about those players

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that aren't getting all of the attention and are just kind of sneaking through.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe she'll be one of those people that will be able

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: to just kind of be in the background a little bit

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: because she doesn't seem to be hyping herself up so much.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But then it also kind of leaves me wanting and wondering.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel you as well on her that I was I was left a little bit

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: curious how she was going to end up doing.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But if it if she and Anika hook up, that could definitely.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, both of them.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: One thing is, you said, you know, maybe she'll be in the back.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then she talked about that, you know, she she feels like,

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, she wants to be the middle person

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of physicality and brains and social game.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: She's not the best. She's not the worst.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: She's right, you know, so that, you know, maybe she started with the interview.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's just kind of,

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, waiting for other people to grab the attention

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they can go out and she can jump in.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it makes it difficult for us to figure out how dare she.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how dare she?

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on, we need to be able to do our job.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But now what there is, there is that is a great approach.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go in not wanting to be the center of attention,

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that's not a bad thing. Right. Not a bad thing.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, a more interesting part is her thought about potential downsides

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because she says she can be a bit controlling, not in a bossy way,

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: just wanting to know what's going on, having her finger in every pie.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. If she can tamp that down a bit.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a good way to follow the third rule about being flexible,

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because a key to that is knowing what's going on so you can move with it.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is fantastic for Annika. Yes.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because Annika could do all the planning

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and then Rachel can just know what's going on.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But then Annika can get everything put onto her.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: See, we're figuring it all out for them.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, she may have indicated a true negative in her discussion

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of what she wants to analyze because she said someone that will not be

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: intimidated by my sort of rapid fire way of thinking, ideally someone

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that takes my word vomit and parses it back and balance out my overreactive brain.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's all a bit worrisome to me.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The correct thing for her to do is recognize

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that she has this word vomit thing going on and try to contain it.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Not necessarily to find someone who can deal with it,

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think that's a lot less likely.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and this brings us back to John, where John's recognizing like,

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I have I have this thing about myself.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to make sure that I don't let it negatively affect

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: my ability to play this game.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas Rachel's approach is I need to find someone who can accept me

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: for me and who I am, and I'm not going to change anything

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_03]: about myself to play this game.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And that approach can definitely not bode well for you.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I indicated before I worry about Rachel early,

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: especially if the gather tribe loses a couple times in pre-merge.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if that happens, I don't think she'll make it to merge.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not I'm not feeling too too high on Rachel either myself.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: The rocks will decide, though.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's right. That's right.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We will move on to Sam.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He has 24, a sports reporter originally from Schomburg, Illinois,

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: which is a Chicago suburb about half an hour west of where I grew up.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And now he is in Nashville, Tennessee, covering the Titans.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because the first football game of the season for the Bears

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: was against the Titans.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And he, according to his Twitter, he was in Chicago for it,

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: which would make sense if he reports on the team.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I would presume maybe this is too much of a presumption,

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but I would presume he's originally a Bears fan.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So that must have been interesting to write about it

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: from a Titans perspective for him.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But in any case, I'm not going to pretend to know all these things.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll let you talk about that.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I root for my Chicagoans.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, I'm going to be on Sam's side.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, when I checked, he was already following me on Twitter.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a bonus point as well.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Another bonus point is he said he's a day one fan.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Although I did some math on that.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He's 24. Exactly.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure how that could be the case.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The math ain't like time out. Yeah.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he means it was like from his own day one

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: because he said when he was young,

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he would basically play survivor with other kids doing challenges

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: in his backyard, voting each other out.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And he would be Jeff even in that.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yes. So he's an Adam Klein.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I can appreciate that about him.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got he's got the personality for it.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's definitely there is something about him

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that's very captivating when he when he talks.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I could I can see that.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you're 24, 24 day one fan. Come on.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And are as old as you are.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I know these these young kids,

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: damn these young kids.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe I have to say that now.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so terrible. Oh, my God.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Sam thinks his experience working with athletes will help

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's you know, it's like being a professional

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: ego stroker, making people feel good, building relationships,

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: get information from them and capitalizing on it.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He also thinks he can fit in with a lot of different groups

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: because while he played sports growing up,

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: he was also a theater kid and in Scholastic Bowl.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So he hung out with a lot of different groups

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that didn't normally necessarily overlap.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Seems to be a lot of sports related

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_03]: people on this cast, like that have jobs that are that are like, wow.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's another one.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: This one's a broadcaster for this one does.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't know if they're going to end up connecting.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's anyone there's no one on his tribe.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But if he ends up making the merge and then people

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: start talking about the professions, that might be a connection

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: for quite a few of them.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I was quite surprised that we did have that.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do appreciate that analogy that he came up with is that he has to figure

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: out the best way to speak to these players in order to get what he wants.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think bringing that into the game will certainly help him for sure.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Now, one thing he says he needs to watch out for in himself

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: is that he's very competitive in a way that can make him upset

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and act out in times and moments of weakness, like getting mad

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that someone caused them a challenge or somebody not doing what he wants them to do.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He knows he has to remember it's a long game and it's not worth making a big deal about.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, that's a lot easier sitting with a full belly,

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, when you've had a night's sleep.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm hmm. But his comment about it being a long game also plays

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: into other thoughts that align with a lot of things we have said,

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: which includes not playing the game too fast by turning on number ones too early.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He is correctly understood that, quote, the new era has told us

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all about finding a place to hide for as long as possible.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And right when people see the light at the end of the tunnel,

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you need to be that light and you're the freight train.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to keep my allies for as long as possible.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to stay insulated for as long as possible.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to make sure that if I'm making that move, it's in a spot

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: where I don't have to survive four more tribal councils on immunity

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: wins and idols and sheer luck just to get to the end of the game.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to do it when they realize, oh, Sam just made a big ballsy move

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and now we can't get him because it's too late and he's going to win the game.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, if that's a that's a big like, wow, like he that's

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: that's setting himself up for a really, a really big game

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: if he's able to pull that right. Right.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And all of those go along with things that we have said here repeatedly,

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: about not making moves too early, about criticizing people

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: for turning on their number ones too soon, all those things.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So if he can stick to those, I have high hopes for him because,

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, you know, he could do well in almost all the rules

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because all of that relates in one way or another to them.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And of course, if you can do well in all the rules,

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that bodes well for your game overall.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And I think too that his physical strength is going to be important

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: at the beginning of this game as well, just because the tribes are so small.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think Sam is is going to find himself in a very good place

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: from the start.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And if he does make the merge and if those other individuals

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: who are also situated similarly to him, both in their careers

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and also their physical strength, there might be a little bit of

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: an alliance that could be formed just based upon those qualities.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So it'll be interesting to see what happens.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to make the merge and then what happens at the merge.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: OK. All right. The rocks will determine.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. And the last person on this tribe is Sierra.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She's 27, a nurse originally from Delaware, now Pennsylvania.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: She was a broadcast journalist, became a nurse.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: She also won Miss Delaware.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: She made it to a pre live show round of American Idol.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: She's done a lot.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: She believes she was born for a survivor and she started

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: watching when she was four years old, fell out of it in college

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and got back to it when COVID hit.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I have to tell you, I don't know how people remember

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: what they were watching on TV at the age of four.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: For me, it was probably Sesame Street.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know. But.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, maybe they do.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Must have left an impression.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Sam remembers he was a day one fan.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Day one, he remembers, you know, just boom, the day he was born.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that the day he was born, EO.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly. Day one fan.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Sierra definitely seems like someone who is incredibly impressive.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Just as a human being overall, you've picked off the list of things

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: that she's done. Right.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's really kind of incredible to be like, and now she's a nurse.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like I'm going to do all of these incredible,

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: crazy things and I'm going to be a nurse.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And I really do appreciate that about her, that she's like

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: she's also humble because she's not that being a nurse is

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a great profession, but it's like you go on to all of these

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: like American Idol, all of these things.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like she's not about stardom.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: She's about finding what she loves doing and what she really wants to do

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and going for it.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's incredible that she's been continuing to do that

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: through her life and has led her to where she is.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And now she's doing Survivor.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So like she's just one of those people that's very captivating because

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I could just imagine sitting talking here going, wait, you did that too.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what? No, now you're doing that.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait a second.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You like bring me through all of these permutations

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_03]: of your life and how you ended up where you are at.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that she is someone who is impressive.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm hoping that she's able to minimize that a bit, though,

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: because you don't want to be a threat by being too much.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. And having too many great qualities,

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_03]: because if you have too many great qualities and people might not

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: want to play the game with you.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But I found her to be very impressive and very enjoyable.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. That said, to me, I felt like she gave me

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the least of anyone in terms of things to strategically analyze.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, right.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like even her answer to what she'd value in an alliance partner

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: focused on laughter and a good time.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: One thing she did focus on was confidence in her intuition

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and her ability to read people, both of which she said, don't lead

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: her wrong. For example, she told Mike, I'm writing down

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: all these nonverbal cues.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I could probably tell you somebody's story based off of what I've learned.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's time for me to get back on my soapbox here, because one of

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the most overused and incorrect ideas in all of reality TV

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: is the concept that you can read people in this way.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of people believe they can do it.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Almost nobody actually can with any level of accuracy other

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: than like Sam talked about being able to read football players

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and know when the time was to go ask a question.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he also added in if the quarterback

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: through two interceptions is now the time to ask him.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a lot easier to read than like she said, knowing

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: their whole story based on physical tells or something.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And people also go on to this show and lie.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. And well, the people think that they can tell that.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I've talked a lot about this on Traders Podcasts

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and even on this season of Big Brother, it came up.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a player, Tucker, who was like, I had special CIA training.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I know how to read people.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And as he's saying this.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He's insisting to the woman he's talking to that she has a special power.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is how he knows.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And she didn't have a special part.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So right there was a perfect example. Yeah.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: She thinks she's picking up on all these things.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: She's taking notes.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But the funny thing is other people commented on

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: how her note taking was suspicious and made them wonder about her.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So she needed to concentrate more on how she was looking to others in that regard.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And she does talk to, though, about

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_03]: how other people are going to perceive her.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So she she is at least even though she has this idea that she can read people.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: She's hoping that people see her as gullible.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if she's recognizing that part of it.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that they'll see her as gullible, as she said, a stupid,

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: smiley blonde, her words, not mine.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But if they see you going around taking notes and everyone you look at,

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not getting the impression that you're a dumb blonde.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: They're getting the impression, oh, she's really studying me.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to be worried about her.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And I think I think was it somebody did mention specifically.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't remember who it was.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that she was she was definitely going around taking notes.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, so if in that and I do think that this is that,

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, the whole pregame we hear so many people talking about

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: like everything you're doing, people are paying attention to.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to be perceived a particular way,

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to be mindful of that in pregame as well.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And if that is what people are making note of her,

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: then they likely aren't going to perceive her that way.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Coming into the game for sure.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Now, I like I said, I worry a bit about her pregame ideas, but I

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: think she'll have more to give in the game than a couple others on this tribe.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think she'll be one of the first two people out.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's at least that

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: which leads us to the prediction for this tribe.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I think Andy and Sam will do well

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in part because of what they said, in part because of their physicality.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I pretty much already mentioned who I believe

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I think will be going out early, which would be Anika or Rachel or both.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not feeling good from the start, from just

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: when I was reviewing everything initially, there was just something about Rachel

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that I was like, I just don't I don't feel that she is going to do that well.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So I definitely have my concerns with Rachel.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get much from Anika either,

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: but I do I do think that Rachel is is likely going to be in a tough spot.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I yes, I agree with the with the assessment on on this tribe as well.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, we could move to the Lavo tribe.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when I do my rocks and I pick Rachel as a winner,

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_03]: then it is what it is.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And we start off with Asia.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: She is 32, an IT consultant in Houston.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But come on.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think let's just get to it.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we know her as an R.H.P. podcaster.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: She has watched Survivor since she was 12, obviously knows quite a lot about it

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and other reality shows.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: She identifies most with Sury because of her ability to use her personality

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to connect with so many different kinds of people.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And Asia plans to form relationships to make sure people

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: genuinely like her without thinking it's strategy.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, Asia herself is clearly intelligent and strategic,

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but also has a physicality because she said she's played basketball her whole life.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And she even lost 10 pounds of fat and gained five pounds of muscle

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: by strength training and preparation.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I like what she said, especially about having a social game strategy,

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but wanting to make sure people don't think of it as a strategy.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's just building relationships.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: In other words, she'll follow rule five, but she'll.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretend to be nice without pretending if that makes sense.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it does. It makes perfect sense because one of her biggest

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: components of life is getting to know people and learning about people.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: She and clearly she's doing the podcasting.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_03]: She's forming relationships with people when she's

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_03]: doing these podcasts and meeting new podcasters and meeting new people,

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_03]: just even on planes, I think she mentioned.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think for her, she's genuinely interested in people,

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_03]: which I think will come across when she's meeting new people on her tribe,

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that it's not necessarily going to be tied to just being strategic.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's who she is.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: She is fascinated by learning as much as she can.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that having that piece to yourself

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: to come in and play this game is huge.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily share that same type of belief.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I like to try to get to know people.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But breaking up a conversation with people,

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting on a plane putting in earbuds and being like, yeah, leave me alone.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Stay away from me. I'm good. Thank you.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got my own thing going on over here.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to be troubled or bothered.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And if the person next to me starts talking, I'm like,

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I will be cordial and kind, but I'm not interested

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_03]: in having a three hour conversation with anyone on a plane.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She wants to do that.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think if you are able to do that in your real world and your real life,

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_03]: it's certainly going to be very easy for you to do it out on an island

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: when there's nothing else.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_03]: No one's going to have earbuds in, right?

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody is going to be in a situation where they can chat.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that that part of her game is going to be very successful,

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_03]: just getting to know people.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And I and I'm hoping that it doesn't end up working against her

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: because if she is just so likeable

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and if she comes across so well socially,

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it might make people concerned about her getting through to the end.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And in that regard, in a similar place,

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: one area where I think she was, you know,

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe kidding herself a little bit was she said she believed

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: she would be underestimated.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. Yeah, no, I don't think so.

[00:47:45] But.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she had to know that at least a few people

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: were going to recognize her as they have.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think at least those people will appropriately estimate

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: what she can do.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And there may be more who eventually realize who she is,

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: even if they don't know her right off the bat or as they get to know her,

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not going to underestimate her much like you just said.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that could all be dangerous for her.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The good part is that those who have identified her from the start

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: indicated they want to work with her, not against her.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the R.H.P. Alliance I mentioned earlier.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Though, as I say that it is kind of funny, like.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: If you were out there and you recognized Asia

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you had to do an interview with Mike Blum.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't there be just the tiniest inkling in the back of your head

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that if your goal, if you were thinking,

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to get her out because she's a threat,

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that you would fully trust.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Mike Blum is an absolutely objective journalist.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But in the back of your head, wouldn't you be like,

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I'm going to tell her friend that I'm targeting.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like maybe maybe I'll keep that part to myself.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's, you know, that is a very fair point because it is

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_03]: because Mike Blum could have then restructured his questions

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and been a little less.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She wouldn't. You know, it's kind of like it's kind of like people.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Some people go down Big Brother and they're like,

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_01]: well, I'm not even going to tell the diary room what I'm thinking

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: because then they could, you know, tell someone else where they're not going to.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: They might ask questions of another person, but they're not going to tell them.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, well, I do think that one of the players,

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: though, that recognized her brought up an interesting point.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was I don't want to tell anyone that I recognize her

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_03]: as an R.H.P.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_03]: podcaster, because then they are going to know how deep I'm in

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: to the survivor, yes, underground or underbelly,

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever you want to call it. Right.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're not an underbelly.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So I just thought that that was an interesting take on it, too. Right.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's almost like I know your secret, but I'm not going to tell anyone.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm curious how that's going to play out.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: If someone's going to try to pull that off, like, oh, hey, Asia, listen,

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know who you are, but just keep your safe with me.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I because then does she believe them that they're not going to say anything?

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't. It'll be all very interesting to.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we had that happen last season on Big Brother when Izzy

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: recognized Suri's son immediately and within minutes

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: pulled him aside and said, I know who you are.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I know who your mom is.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I will. I want to work with you.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I will not tell a soul.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And they became the tightest of allies.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01]: She was basically adopted into the family.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So. So, yeah.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, one thing that I particularly like about Asia's attitude

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: is that unlike some super fans who may come in thinking

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_01]: they know and can control everything,

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: she has the self-awareness to realize you can know a lot, a lot

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and, quote, still fall flat on your face.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why she isn't leaning on that aspect of things for her game

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and is instead, as we discussed, focusing on social relationships

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: because she knows she's good at those.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But she also noted that when she gets to final tribal council,

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: quote, I will be able to clearly articulate my strategy to get there.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So totally in accordance with appendix B. Yes.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, much like I discussed with Andy, I also had to laugh

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_01]: when Asia said she will value blind loyalty and an ally,

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_01]: because of course she would who wouldn't.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But more seriously, she added that too many people

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_01]: lately have been blindsided by their ally.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So she wants one who is too loyal to even consider betrayal.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish her the best of luck with that, though I suppose it could work

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe if the R.H.A.P. alliance gets together.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that there's this potential for an R.H.A.P. alliance.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So it should be no surprise that I think Asia will do very well this season.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think she will do very well.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. All right.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Next up is.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Genevieve, who I thought I had heard someone

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: refer to as Jenny at one point, but now I can't find that.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So for now, I'll just, you know, call her by her phone.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And she is 33, a corporate lawyer in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_01]: She began watching the show when she was a preteen,

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: though she calls it casually watching rather than being a super fan

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and has been applying since Canadians were allowed to five or six years ago.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: She won't be telling anyone

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: she's a lawyer because of what's been happening recently with your profession

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: out there. I know it's taken over even as close to the game

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_01]: as doing her interview with Mike Bloom.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_01]: She still hadn't come up with a solid cover story yet.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I write like I saw that and I'm like, that's not good.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: That's really that's a really bad approach to take.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You need to have that locked in before you walk out there.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're going to lie. Hi. Did it lied about my profession?

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You need to have that all like set and done and ready to go.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't be in pregame going, no, I haven't really decided yet.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got some options.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise you end up with a story like Josh, the doctor, who is like, oh, no,

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I was a physical trainer.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And people are like, what happened to 10 years of your life?

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, right. Right. Yeah, exactly.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think and I don't if there was one thing

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that I noticed, too, about her is that she seems to have this.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Perception of herself or like she talks about I'm bubbly,

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_03]: bouncy person, even on sleep.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see any of that.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I didn't I didn't get the impression that she's like this jovial,

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_03]: like excited kind of individual.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I maybe she's just doing that for interviews.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she'll be different when she's out on the island.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That's I'm so I'm very curious to see how she is actually going to be

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_03]: once she's out on the island, because I just I did not see

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_03]: the way that she was describing herself to be when she was talking in her

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: interviews. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she's already trying to rein that in.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows? I don't think so.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I mean, it may just be it may just be the way people deal with others,

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, compared to an interview.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. But from a social standpoint,

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: she said, if I sent somebody is somebody else is struggling or more nervous

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: than I am, I could put aside the way I'm feeling and engage with them,

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: help them, give them the care that they need, which in turn helps me.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right now. The funny thing is, as she was out there playing,

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: she didn't even realize, I mean, she saw Kenzie doing some of that

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_01]: with Ben, but she didn't realize that it helped her win the season.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Yeah.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, unfortunately, I don't feel like we got a lot more from her

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of a strategy perspective.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard for me to judge her in that aspect.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She did talk about how she had intended to practice firemaking,

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but then ended up playing Baldur's Gate instead.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that maybe I already well,

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe I'm seeing a theme here like she got out there.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to lie about her job, but I haven't gotten to that yet.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to practice making, but there was this video game.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I got I got distracted. Yeah.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I I'm not feeling great about Genevieve.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just I don't there is I know I've said

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and maybe people will say I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: or whatever, where I'm like the best laid plans.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You can go into this game and have plans and then they don't come to fruition

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_03]: because you have to be able to adjust. Right.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But she doesn't even sound like she has any.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like like so there's not even like a backup plan

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_03]: to the plan that I'm going to have that you have to adjust to

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_03]: because she doesn't really have one.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe she thinks she's going to kind of come up with it on the fly.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like she's just going to make fire on the fly, I guess.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. But I I feel like there wasn't enough real,

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_03]: like true prep put into how she is going to approach this game

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and what she's going to do.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I so yeah, the idea of prep, but not the actual prep. Right.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a conception of a plan. Yes.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, speaking of fire making her hot take or as she admits,

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe not so hot today, is she hates Final Four fire making.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that also played into it.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She said, I feel like it just forces the players to get out better players early

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and then it disadvantages great players like Jesse,

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because it all comes down to making a fire

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: when that doesn't really measure the best game play,

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: which is what I would look for as a juror, the best game play as I interpret it.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So even though I said, you know, we didn't get much strategically out of her.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: At least she agrees with us.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_01]: She's on the same page with us there.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you a little check next to your name for also despising fire

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_03]: making it for thank you. Yes.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I did make that little not hates fire making. Yes.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And. It all, you know, that indicates she's looking for strategy,

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: which is also good.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm hmm. We just don't know what her plan is. Yes.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We can move into Kishan, who is 28, an ER doctor in California,

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: who says he's probably not the biggest super fan and only started watching in 2020

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: or 2021 at the beginning of the pandemic and immediately became obsessed.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He compared being an ER doctor to playing survivor, telling Mike Bloom,

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to be aware of everything and know how to triage

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and know how to prioritize.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to be in control all the time.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to be the point person every single time.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You excuse me, just need to be aware of everything that's going on.

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And you need to know when to turn your attention and focus on something.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He also added, you never know when something more pressing is going

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to come up in terms of strategy or something that's a detriment

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to your strategy, and you need to push that to the top of the list.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't get stuck in one game plan.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't just be like, I'm focused on getting this person out.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, hopefully this is an indication of his ability

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: to do well at the third rule of being flexible.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_01]: At least he will be if he follows through.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_01]: As far as everything else, he said about comparing the ER to survivor.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we plan to have Dr.

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy Faust back again as a guest later this season.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So if Kishan is still there, I'm sure we'll be able to get some of his thoughts

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_01]: from one ER doctor to another.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love this, but I have some concerns about Kishan.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, I well, he's

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if this is going to make sense, but he it's almost like

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_03]: he comes across as he's like too kind and too nice.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, like I just I'm like, oh, he's just so sweet.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Like and I just feel like he's someone that might be taken advantage of

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_03]: because he just he has a sweetness about him that is very genuine

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and is great in the real world.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But playing survivor might not bode so well for him.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's just kind of what I got from him.

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He even said that he said, you know,

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of, I mean, you know, for us, rule four,

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_01]: not letting your emotions control him.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He noted he's very empathetic.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He worried that someone might be able to pull his strings.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he knows he needs to separate game from personal life,

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but he worries it could be his downfall.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's what I'm worried about for him.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I really feel like he's someone who is just going to be

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: he's going to struggle with that needing to be backstabbing

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and needing to lie a little bit.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that people will be able to play on his emotions.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So I worry about that for him.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I do appreciate his the comparison with being the doctor.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think that there are some things there.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, high pressure situations, you need to be able to think on your feet.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But the emotional component of just playing this game,

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that's where that's where I definitely have concerns.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Now, in terms of other gameplay, he said

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: he liked the way Carson played under the radar until he wasn't

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: gaining trust while people didn't realize how strong a player he could be.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem I see with this comparison is he's no Carson.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I believe he said he would be honest about his profession

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: while Carson was hiding his true field of study and that he worked at NASA,

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_01]: was in the special program, et cetera.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I think it's more difficult to hide

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the threat level of a doctor than it is of a student.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, 100 percent agreed.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we could go to Rome and I don't mean literally

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: we're not flying to Rome. We're moving to the player room.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He is 30, an e-sports commentator who started watching.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Watching Survivor in April of 2023.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But these are e-sports. That's a little different.

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Still, yeah, there's a sports connection. It's anyway.

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So he literally started watching just over

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: a year before he found himself on Fiji.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He binged every season from April to July

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and said he crammed a whole lot into his mind about Survivor.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But he views it as a positive because people who've been watching live

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: since the start may have spotty or memories.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. They remember what they were watching when they were four.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It is it's all day one. Yeah, it's all fresh for him.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I have to stop you here because I am curious about that

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: because I actually wrote that down like this is all very fresh.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So is that going to be a benefit for him because

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: because or will he be so locked into?

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I just saw that so and so did this and I saw this.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he just saw everything.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He literally saw everything.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you could keep it straight.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched my I watched two seasons back to back

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and I start going, wait, which season did that happen in?

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And that's and I'm curious if that's going to negatively

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: affect his ability to kind of keep it all straight,

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: because when you put so much into your head so quickly, so fast,

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: if you can't keep it all straight, you might.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You might remember something as being good when in actuality

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: it was bad because there's so many things that you're trying to remember

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: at the same time.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's possible.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, when when Rome dives in, he goes all the way.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't just watch.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He said he's all over Reddit. He's on Twitter.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He's listening to every single podcast, including specifically naming R.J.P.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't roam if you're listening to this. Hello.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, so he has just like been a sponge absorbing survivor

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: like all of his able to do that.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like to keep it all straight.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe he is someone who crams really well

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and then can ace the test and he'll know every factor

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: is to know about survivor.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And if there's some challenge or they have to name all the seasons

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: in order, he'll be able to do it.

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But he is a very big personality, too.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a lot happening with Rome where it's like

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I've crammed all this information, which means he's got to be an intense person.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And then listening to him speak and watching him.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he is magnetic.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So it'll be interesting to see how his personality fits in with everyone else.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It occurs to me with the survivor stuff.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe when he was growing up, he heard Rome wasn't built in a day.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And he saw that as a challenge.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, well, maybe not, but I'm going to build my survivor knowledge

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in just a few months.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm sure he's going to take over and win.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be this whole thing.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because one thing that we frequently

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to call it complain about, but at least mention

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: is that the newer survivor viewers who binge watch,

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not getting all of the outside commentary.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not getting the more intricate details.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's done that, too.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he didn't keep it all straight.

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: As long as he gets the high points, you know.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, because there are so many times that we've talked about.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The edit is missing things, and this isn't included.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't know that.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got he's got read it up there while he's doing it.

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I'm saying. Like Twitter and it all straight.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, an interesting thing that he said that caught my eye immediately

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: was he intends to play the game most like Cook Islands Ozzy

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and wants to be one of the greatest challenge beasts of all time.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: My first inclination was, well, I hope not, because, you know,

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Ozzy lost due to focusing so much time on providing

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and challenges and not enough on strategy.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But can I I'm stopping you again, because one of my notes,

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: as soon as he said that, I wrote, oh, Bloomberg.

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Just saying.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just Rome went into a bit more detail,

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: noting that Ozzy was missing the social game aspect that you will had.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say Rome is close, but not quite there in that term.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I interviewed Ozzy three times back in those days.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're not going to find those interviews online

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: unless you're really good at searching because that website doesn't exist anymore.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll find a way to get those back somewhere, but I haven't yet.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, each time I talk to Ozzy, he recognized

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: that he needed to improve not his social game, but his strategic game.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And then each time he'd go back out there and do the same thing again.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm.

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I am intrigued, too, because he was he's the one who indicated

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_03]: that he has some secrets and stir plans, things that have never been done before.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: What is that? Yeah, he.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So. He said he only told his fiance

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and sister, and one of them asked if you could actually do it.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He said there's no rule against it.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we've we've said before that's better to ask forgiveness than permission.

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like when Sabaya used the tribal council fire to burn her candle.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, you shouldn't be able to do that.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're on.

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not in the rules. Yeah.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, if he can find something like that to do, go for it.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I also know no offense, Rome,

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but I also encourage production to stop him if it's unfair.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like I thought the Sabaya situation was. Right.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, that's that's the rules guy in me talking there.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But that is the rules guy.

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just have to see.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Very intriguing in other areas.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He said that, you know, his superpower would be his social game.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But he also talked about outsmarting some of the others in the pregame

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: by hiding what he was doing to prepare,

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, while some of them were doing things out in the open,

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: they gave it away. Right.

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And as far as strategy,

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: he noted that some people get big move,

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: itis and they also brag, which he doesn't understand.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Another aspect of strategy is he plans to follow Sandra's anybody

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but me strategy and doesn't want to get attached to other people

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like Tim was to his fellow seagulls, fellow seagulls last season.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a tongue twister.

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't expect that.

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: As he said, you know, in terms of the anybody but me strategy,

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to beat every single person.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, it's hard to say I'm going to be strong in a social game

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and also I'm willing to vote out anyone.

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Those two things are not easy to balance.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and he did.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He's concerned, though, too, with his overconfidence.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So you have to kind of see how that all melds together. Right.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But if he he has this idea that I can be super social,

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but then I can still vote anybody out and it'll be fine.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That might come from him just being a very confident individual.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's not going to negatively affect me, which I'm trying to remember.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't find it on here.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if maybe just wasn't included, but was he one of the ones

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: with the hot take about Russell Hance or was because I know there was

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: at least I don't know.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't I didn't take those notes because I don't even want to go into that.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, I think he was.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. So, you know, and so I just think that it this is where that cramming in

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: might not do so well for him because

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: there is there are certain parts of this game that kind of build over time

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and people create and change the way that they play the game

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: from things that they've seen other people do and things that they shouldn't do.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't know if he's necessarily going to have that

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: level of understanding of how you need to move and shift

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: because the game has moved and shift because he's just started watching it.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, it is.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm I'm fascinated by Rome.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I am I'm definitely very fascinated by him

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: because I do think he has a physicalness about him

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: that will help him in the game as well.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And but he just he's like this.

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he just goes, goes, goes, goes, goes.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope it doesn't become too much for anyone.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But I am I am definitely interested to see how Rome does for sure.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Speaking of go, go going,

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: he mentioned when it comes to idols, he's very interested in going to look for them.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I barely need to sleep.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I have no problem looking for an idol in pitch black.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a longtime gamer.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm used to sleeping on four hours and being good to go the whole day.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you don't have, you know, Mountain Dew and,

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, Joke Cola out there.

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But but he also said if there's even a crack of dawn,

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: crack of sunlight, some cameraman is going to need to get up and follow me around.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing Rome doesn't realize

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: is just how completely dark it gets out there.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember we had that discussion before, especially with Carson,

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: who said something simple, similar.

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he came back and he was like, Oh, no, that did not work.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: There was way too dark out there.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like going around in the dark in a video game.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is going around in the dark in a jungle.

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. So and we were told like going to be surprised.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Like, listen, like the first night we were out there,

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: they're like, y'all better figure out where you're sleeping, like right now,

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: because once it goes dark, it's dark.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were like, Oh, OK.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you're like, Oh, you weren't getting it is dark.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So it is definitely something to think about that.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to go out idle hunting,

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: you might have to also know how to make fire.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Just say.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think Rome has some really good potential.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: He just like you said, maybe needs to rein in the excitement.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, just a little bit because it might be too much.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Next up is Sol.

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Sol, sorry.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Better call him Sol.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a he's 43, a medical device sale

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: salesman for deep brain stimulation therapy equipment.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Fascinating.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Originally from Oklahoma, now in Connecticut.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's another one who started watching in 2020 due to Covid.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He somewhat oddly to me anyway, says he'll play like Gabler

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because right there both in medical sales

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and they have a strong ability to build bonds and have self-awareness.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't say that I generally equated Gabler's game with self-awareness,

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but OK, I'm like putting the palm frond on people and stuff, you know,

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but OK, he still won.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot he did that. Yeah.

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He also throws in the he'll play with the strategy of Adam

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and the charm of Tyson as he intends to create one on one relationships

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: with people. That is an interesting mix.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Adam, Tyson and Gabler.

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Sol talked about how he intends to play survivor like the game it is,

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: which is good. His hot take, which obviously isn't all that hot

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: as far as we're concerned, is that he's ignoring his family's advice

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: to not lie. He said, guys, this is a game.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: This ain't real life.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to deceive people.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, he's right about that as it's laid out in the first rule.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I do love that he analogized that to playing Boulder Dash

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and just actually doing all the right answers.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love Boulder Dash.

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say, though,

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: he's another one that struck me very similar as Genevieve,

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: where like when he described himself in a particular way,

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like it doesn't match what I'm seeing.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the way that he's talking about himself.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Is not the person that I'm necessarily

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: seeing on the screen or what I'm hearing.

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He really makes it sound like he's this.

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to find exactly how he does, but he he seemed to

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: act as if like he's got this like outgoing personality

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and and he's this individual who is like puts himself out there.

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when I when I watched him listen to him,

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: he was kind of like, you know, very just like kind of like I'm too cool to care.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just I'm like, I'm not I'm not seeing the way you're describing yourself.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't seem to be matching.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, maybe it's just the the interview component.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe that's just the way that he presents himself

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: when he's actually being asked questions like this.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know.

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm very confused about.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm very confused about Saul.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one thing he said that was good was he talked about needing to be level

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: headed when it comes to beware advantages, such that he's not just going to go.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I'm doing it.

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's good for the seventh rule.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But his take on idols overall was interesting.

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He said he's not planning on using them like a shield,

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but as weapons to target people.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And he even thinks he'll play more idols for other people than himself.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's a bit to unpack there.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: First, since he seems to have the idea that he's going to find like so many idols.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: All the idols.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that he has to like, I'll use these for you and this for me.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, he's going to have all the idols, all of the trinkets.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe this is a sign to all of the CBS production team.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: There's too many when people think that they have like

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: 10 options to play at the same time.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps you're putting too many into the game.

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, um, now, you know, then there's the weaponizing.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard enough to know when to use them to protect yourself.

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You have them to go on the attack is even more difficult

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because you have to know who the target is so you can play it on them.

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. You have to know who you want to get out.

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to get people on your side.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to account for vote splitting.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm hmm. Sorry, sorry.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Every other advantage that this person has over there.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not I'm not counting on you being successful in that area.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So prove me wrong.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He's he has such a confidence that like, yes,

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he truly believes that this is what you're going to be able to do.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That like, yeah, I'm going to find all of the idols

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm going to do all of these things.

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, it goes back to that.

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You can have plans, but you have to understand that

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: that might not actually be what happens.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is where I get that kind of I don't know what to think about him

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_03]: because he might just be too confident in himself

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_03]: because it seems like he's had a great life

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's been able to be very successful and do a lot of things.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is survivor, so it's it might not

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: you might not be able to just win with your like charm and

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and your in your kind of attitude that you got.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I just there's something about it that I just can't put my finger on.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, what is his deal?

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Now you mentioned he's had success.

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, another area was he said he's no poker pro,

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's won over two hundred thousand dollars playing poker.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, definitely, definitely way more than I've made.

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he told the IRS about that since he now has.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Since he just put it out there. Yeah.

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, yeah, right.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He said when you're playing poker, you have to take risks.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You might lose, you might go home, but if you don't take those risks,

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you will absolutely never ever win a poker tournament.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's got to be the same thing here.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to take risks.

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, here is. The issue.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I've mentioned this before.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: If you take a risk in a poker tournament and you lose,

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: well, there's always another tournament.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sometimes you can rebuy to the same tournament.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I literally played in a tournament where a very well known pro

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: rebought six times.

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He would just buy, shove all in up.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, I'm buying again.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And he ended up winning because he had the money that he could throw at it,

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: where the rest of the people were like, well, I'm buying in once,

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe twice, you know. Right. Yeah.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But. That all makes it a lot less risky,

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: much like the pro I was just talking about.

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And for those who may know, it was fossil man, Greg Raymer.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, for almost everyone who plays,

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor is a one time opportunity.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pushing all your chips in the middle on a 50 50 coin flip

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: in a tournament, it might make sense.

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It almost never makes sense in survival.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So Saul better bring his solar power

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: will see if he can find all of the idols. Yes.

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you think you would have had a sunnier personality for you?

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We got jokes, people. All right.

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, that was good.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That was good. OK.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, we can move on to teeny.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They are 24, a freelance writer, former tech consultant in New Jersey.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Now they've been a fan for a long time, have attended survivor events,

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: avid R.H.A.P. listener.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So another time, teeny, if you're hearing this, I.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Teeny caught my eye, which has very little to do with Survivor,

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: did an 18 mile unicycle race in the fifth grade.

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, as a as a juggler who used to know

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, who used to know lots of unicyclists.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I admire that, especially since I could never unicycle myself.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I never could. I'm sorry.

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's complaining she's going to be bad at puzzles.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But come on, like really?

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You've got wow.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That's impressive. Yeah, that's impressive.

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, wow.

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Teeny was, of course, another person who recognized Asia

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and was the one who told Mike, I would love to work with her.

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: No intentions of telling anybody that she's an R.H.A.P.

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: podcaster, because this is who you mentioned earlier.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That would reveal that I know who a niche commentator of Survivor is.

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm trying to blow up her spot,

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd simultaneously be taking myself down too.

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But Teeny would love to work with her, obviously.

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Quote, I'm a huge fan of R.H.A.P.

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's an insightful point, not just the R.H.A.P. stuff.

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, like you mentioned earlier, yeah.

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: If you say something, then you blow yourself up.

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully that will help with my R.H.A.P. alliance idea.

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: The funny thing is that Teeny is the one who had a negative

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: pregame opinion of Andy, but they're in different tribes.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's plenty of time to iron that out.

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Asia is on the same starting tribe.

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So that bodes well for both of them.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It really does.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that Teeny is someone whose

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: personality is captivating, but not too much.

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like they are very intriguing.

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And I appreciate that so much about Teeny.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that overall.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Teeny and Asia will balance each other out very nicely,

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think, because I think Asia will be a little more out there

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and a little more kind of leading things a bit.

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And Teeny will be supporting that in the relationship.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I just can see that.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think also coming into a really great thing.

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: This just occurred to me because I was going to make a joke about

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I had mentioned Saree adopted Izzy into the Fields family

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was going to make a joke about Asia

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: adopting Teeny into the Welch family.

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But then it occurred to me, I think,

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and this is off the top of my head,

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Asia mentioned something about looking for a little brother

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: type of person.

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I also think Teeny said something about

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I might try to find the situation where I'm the younger sibling.

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So that would make the two of them fit together even better.

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Perfection. It would be perfection.

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. And then much like Asia,

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Teeny said their biggest superpower will be social relationship

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and the ability to make people feel comfortable.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But Teeny also added they expect their strategic

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and physical abilities to be underestimated, but sharp.

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Teeny practiced some puzzles like a good super fan

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and got good at fire making, so they didn't put it aside

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and play computer games. Exactly.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They also took Genevieve.

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to clip out all the times you say Genevieve.

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that'll be a lot of work,

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but it'll be a fun video.

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Goodness.

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the interesting step that Teeny took

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: was putting themselves in situations where they would have to interact

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: with new different people, which I think it's a new twist

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: on a way to study for the social aspect of the game

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and prepare for rule five.

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that that's a very it is a very new concept.

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that's another part of Asia that we can appreciate.

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_03]: She wants to get to know people.

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Teeny put herself in a situation where I need to learn

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: how to get to know people that I'm not normally around or familiar with.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that they will both be coming at that social

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: part of the game in the same way.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think they'll be able to play off of each other very well.

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm feeling very good about this to some.

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that it happens because I think it will be lovely.

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think as long as nobody gets it in their head

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that Teeny will be weak in challenges for any reason,

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll do fine in the early going.

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So with that, my tribal prediction is

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: if if Rome talks at all about his podcast listening,

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I could see him being drawn into part of the RHAP alliance

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: with Asia and Teeny.

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That happens. They'll only need one more person to take control of the tribe.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I suspect that will be Kishan or Sol.

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: See, that solar power messes me up.

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think your friend,

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Genevieve will end up on the outs.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't take that personally if you're one.

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not personally.

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, she seems like a lovely human being.

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's but as far as playing the game itself, I don't think.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to admit that you didn't fire me because you played a computer game,

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: you got to expect this is yes, I'm sorry.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we all I shouldn't say we all.

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: There's quite a few of us who don't like fire making at four.

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But you still have to know how to make fire before you go out there.

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It just is a thing.

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And you can't choose video games over making fire.

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But regardless, generally, probably not.

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably not a video game challenge.

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go with no.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: You seem like a lovely human being.

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, I agree. Genevieve is Genevieve is someone who I'm very concerned with

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: in this particular tribe.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I also am still worried about Kishan

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: just because I don't want him to be.

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Unable to put aside his sweetness and his kindness

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and just be cutthroat and have to play this game

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: because he seems also like a lovely person.

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So this group will this is this isn't

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is a very strong group of people.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: There's something about the Red Tribe that just seems to be

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: really kind of popping off the page.

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, yeah, I think that they will likely do well

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and we probably will be seeing much of them for much of the game. Yes.

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. And the final tribe is two crew in blue.

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll start with Caroline,

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: who is twenty seven and a strategy consultant, most recently

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: in the Chicago area, Evanston, Illinois, going to Northwestern

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: University for grad school.

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Originally from California, I'm not entirely sure where she is now.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know if like her job was in Chicago.

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's one reason she went to Northwestern or her job was in California.

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And she went all the way to I don't know.

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, normally, as I mentioned with Sam, I root for anyone

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: who's associated with Chicago.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But Northwestern is the University of Illinois's rival

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: as our fellow in state Big Ten College.

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Can't have that.

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And my brother went there, which makes it even more of a rivalry.

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So but still for Caroline's sake, I'm willing to put that aside

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: in part because she's a strategy consultant,

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: which to me sounds like what we do here, except we give it away for free.

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And fair. But this could also

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I how I hope that works for her

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: because it could be something very similar to what we saw on.

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Who is our who is our was it?

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Annika was the planner.

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: She's the planner project manager, project manager.

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: She calls herself a planner. She wants to be in charge.

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Caroline is able to.

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Realize that strategy is great,

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but you can't take over, you can't take charge.

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And that might be a problem for her.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it will be because she talked about how she's used

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to working in an environment where like, yeah, she comes up with ideas,

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's the 50 year old partners who make all the decisions.

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And that is very true.

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So perhaps she will be very good at supporting and saying, hey,

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: what do we think about this and and throwing in some

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: some tidbits of information and then letting other people run with it.

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's that will be what ends up happening.

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So it would be interesting to see someone who is a strategy consultant

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: if they're really good at strategy like on Survivor.

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that would be very fascinating. Yes.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because there was a player on last season, a big brother again,

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: who hid the fact that she was a oh gosh, a a.

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Was it a marketing strategist or a?

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, now I had the term in my in my brand strategist.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, well, I don't want people to know

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: because it has the word strategy in it.

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one, she was terrible at strategy and two,

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: nobody's going to think that because of brand strategy, you know that right.

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. You have nothing to do with each other.

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: This may be a little closer, but still working with companies.

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And Caroline's dream to be on Survivor since she was five years old.

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So she certainly knows the game.

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, she knows it so well that her hot take is on point

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and agrees a lot, not just with us, but also with Rome and saying

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: so many of these big moves are stupid.

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not good for people's games.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Just because something is a big flashy move doesn't mean it's a good move.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here for strategy. I'm here for smart gameplay.

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yes, we applaud this thinking and it goes along well with rule two.

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Moving to rule four, Caroline acknowledged that she's emotional,

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but what people won't expect is she's actually very strategic and logical,

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: which, of course, makes sense given her job.

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: She specifically said, when I'm making decisions,

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking a step back and I'm stripping all the emotion.

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's uncomfortable. It doesn't feel good.

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I've had to deal with my whole life.

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I'm able to do.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you need to do in Survivor.

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And I do wonder, though,

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: because the work that she's doing is with these these companies.

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, you have to put your emotions aside,

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_03]: but you're dealing with a company here.

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You're dealing with people.

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And that could be problematic for her because

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: it might be very difficult to separate the two things out

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: because it's one thing to be dealing with a Fortune 500 company

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and the millions of dollars that are associated with that company

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and what their goals are as opposed to a human being

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that has children and a family and needs this money to survive.

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So they need to win.

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, that's a whole different world

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: to have to dive into and then have that mindset.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So that could be an issue for her because I don't know

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: if you'll be able to separate those two things out as much as she would like

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: to be able to see. It's interesting.

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were going in a different direction

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think her issue in dealing with people

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: will come from her discussion about the fact that her job requires her to be blunt.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: She said, you have to give feedback.

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You receive feedback. And it's just the way we operate.

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very blunt with my friends. I'm very blunt with my family.

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I operate under the assumption that we get to be honest with each other.

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's with the best intentions and we move forward.

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No, not unsurvivor.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me and I may have told this story before.

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows? We've done a lot of podcasts.

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we have.

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of way back when a new lawyer started working

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: at the agency I was at,

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and she had just come from a big law firm in Chicago

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: where they had a similar attitude.

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't pussyfoot around.

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You said what you meant.

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You gave your opinion.

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that was expected. Right.

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't realize that this was a different type of society

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: where she came to work.

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: She was working with engineers and scientists,

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: not big city type A law firm type people. Right. Right. Right.

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It took a while.

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, some people like me telling her to cut it out before she adjusted.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That was she was not understanding why people were getting upset with her.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Caroline doesn't have that kind of time.

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she doesn't.

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And that is I and they might have.

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the comparison might have been made to Emily Flippen

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: just in that kind of approach where you're going to be completely honest

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and just say what's on your mind and think that should be OK.

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, this survivor and so real world versus survivor world

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_03]: can't treat the two things the same.

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And so her line of work,

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_03]: her approach to life might not help her in this game

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: as much as she necessarily hopes it's going to or thinks it's going to.

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So I think even, you know,

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: as long as she doesn't immediately come off bad in that way,

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she'll be good for a while.

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. I'm not feeling it.

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not feeling it. All right.

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's move on to Gabe.

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He's 26 and a radio show host and political operative in Baltimore.

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as a radio show host and political operative,

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the most likely to recognize John Lovett, but

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: he watched Survivor as a child, then more recently,

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, fell off a little bit and then caught up with what he missed since then.

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe was another person I didn't get much fun,

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: which is interesting because he normally should be a talker.

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But he said his superpower is reading people now.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, he's going to go right to it.

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He does wisely say he knows a big part of the social game is the ability to listen.

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, that reading body language

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and believing he could spot when someone is lying, I already talked about that.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was right. You know, yes.

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Still, I would think that someone who works in both politics and radio

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: should be able to get himself well situated pretty early and go from there.

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: As long as he doesn't jump to conclusions based on bad body

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: body language assumptions, I think he'll be OK.

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And let's see.

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he's

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: not living presently enough thinking too much about what's going on,

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: what's going to come next. You kind of have to, though.

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you always have to work through the permutations in this game.

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if I do this, this could happen.

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: If I do that, that could happen.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't be living five days ahead.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to be living very much in the moment and present when you're

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: playing the game.

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get a lot from him either, but I feel like he was someone

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_03]: that was spoken about by quite a few of the other players

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: who were getting kind of a not great read about him just pregame.

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not sure if that's going to end up negatively affecting

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: him either once he gets out there.

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But he he did seem to be someone who is kind of on repeat

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and being described by others and things they've noticed about him.

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Well, we could move to Kyle, who is 31 and a construction

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: worker in Michigan. I don't know what that means.

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle is definitely focused on winning the money, which is good

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: because we won't hear any I'm here for the experience.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here to win a million hearts.

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I love that about I love that.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Kyle, for like I want the money. Right.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But it seems to be his only reason, which it should be.

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But it worries me a bit because we want to see people playing to win,

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but you can't get hyper focused on it.

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like there was just a guy on the second season of Outlast.

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It came out within the past couple of weeks and it was all he talked about

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: how he wanted people to work with him because of how much he needed the money.

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It got to be a bit tiring for everyone. Yeah.

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, nobody will.

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, I feel like nowadays

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: people don't in this survival world of living, people don't care anymore about that.

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I really feel like the players that are out there,

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: because there's so many of them that don't necessarily focus on the money,

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that it's not one of those things that they that they are as concerned about.

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Like when this game first started way back when,

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, at the beginning of time, when Sam

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_03]: day one, Sam, yes, Sam.

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the million dollars you're going to million dollars.

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember they used to have the chest with the money?

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Only yeah, only the first season. Yeah.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But but you know, but like that's it was a million dollars.

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's like I want to be the sole survivor.

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like it's it's shifted.

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't know if it would necessarily people would care

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: so much if he's talking about the money.

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But what I do find very interesting about Kyle is that he is

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: he's kind of this interesting mix.

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like he's going to be very disarming

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: because he doesn't come across as someone who's strategic.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't come across someone.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to be sole survivor.

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to win this money.

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a blue collar guy.

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I build houses like this is what I do.

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And so he might just be someone that no one really worries about

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because he's just going to he's probably going to be there.

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to provide for them.

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He'll probably build their shelter and I'm going to do the challenges

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm going to do everything I need to do.

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to be the strategist

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and no one's going to have to be worried about me.

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm wondering if his personality will be very much like a JT

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_03]: his first season where it was just kind of just very disarming

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and just a likable guy that everybody is just kind of like, oh, it's Kyle.

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Kyle's fine.

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't need to worry about Kyle.

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe you just kind of sneak through.

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know if he'll have the ability to actually strategize enough

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: to get himself in a position where he could eventually win the game.

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you.

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he talked about how he traveled the country for over six years

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: living in a van, so he submerged himself into different environments

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and cultures so he could get along with almost anyone.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He believes his kindness and social game will be his superpowers.

[01:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But he also worries, you know, he wants to see people happy,

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: which, you know, they won't be as he breaks them out.

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to have to work on that fourth rule there.

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, he is not, of course, because not enough people believe this.

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But I on the good side, he is yet another person who agrees with us

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of big moves being dangerous.

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He added you always want to have a meat shield, which is interesting

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: because his hot take was he wants to see strong players

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: make it to the end rather than bringing goats along.

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: James Jones loves that idea.

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He's been promoting that, you know, for a while now.

[01:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And it could work in theory only if all the strong players absolutely agree.

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the problem. Right.

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It is. Yeah.

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: If all the strong players got together or at least, you know,

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the top three strong players and said, we are going to go to the end.

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We have 100 percent faith in each other.

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But nobody has 100 percent faith because as soon as one gets worried

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that the others are going to beat them, it all blows up. Yeah.

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, as far as rule seven goes,

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle says he'll take any advantage, but wants it to be completely under the radar.

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He said he's a firm believer.

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to have something of that ability in your pocket,

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you're the only one who needs to know about it.

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Very good take there, too.

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So overall, I think Kyle will stick around at least until the merge.

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. All right.

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we can move on to Sue,

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: 59 year old flight school owner in New York and someone older than me

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: on this cast. Look at that.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: She has watched since the beginning and she can say that

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: because she was already an adult.

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I see has been watching from the beginning legitimately.

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Sue is going to do a great job in the social game.

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, honestly, based on what others have said

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in pregame interviews, I feel like everyone loves Sue.

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, everyone loves Sue.

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about her when it comes to strategy,

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: when she was asked what she'd value in an alliance partner,

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_01]: she said, we all know alliances are only temporary,

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'm not expecting much from anyone.

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We're all going to lie to each other.

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_01]: She's right about the lying,

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but not necessarily the part about us all knowing that alliances

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: are only temporary.

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting that she said that so soon after watching Survivor 45,

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: because not all alliances are going to last.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But the best idea is to get one that will as they showed there.

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah, she's she's kind of a mix,

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: because I do feel like so many people were talking about her

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and how, oh, I can't wait to meet her.

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I love her already.

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like she has the warmest smile.

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She seems so kind.

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was a lot of very positive things being said about Sue.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So I do think that she's going to find herself in a very good

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: position just because she has already become so

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_03]: intriguing to everyone that's that's met her thus far.

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you add to the all of the things that she's done

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and been able to accomplish.

[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that she will end up being in a good place overall,

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: just because she seems to have so many of the boxes

[01:39:47] [SPEAKER_03]: checked as what she'll need to do moving forward.

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But again, how she'll end up developing that strategy

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_03]: as the game moves along.

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_03]: People liking you is going to carry you so far,

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but you need to also make those game moves in order to sit at the end

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and go, this is why I should win.

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm interested to see how that all kind of comes together for Sue,

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_03]: because maybe she really will be able to utilize

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the likability factor in the strategic factor as well.

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. One area where Sue talked about that made me chuckle

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: relates to the fourth rule.

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: She said her emotions are her favorite part of herself.

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But every time in my life that I've made a decision based on my emotions,

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: they've always been 100 percent incorrect.

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to need to to figure out how to get a hold of my emotions.

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that when I'm tired, when stuff happens, I have to check my emotions.

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that went totally the opposite direction of what I was expecting,

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: because so many people will be like,

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: whenever I make a decision from my heart, it's the right decision.

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Right. My emotions always guide me.

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, no, mine always tell me the wrong thing.

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So she'll do the opposite when she's out there.

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So now, while Sue is obviously the oldest person out there,

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think her social game will keep her around for a while.

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And they may be all she needs to stick around even longer.

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But she's she's going to have to make sure she's not viewed

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: as a weak challenge link or anything like that early on.

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but she's she looks jacked.

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He does. But sometimes people get it in their head.

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know. Oldest woman must be good at challenges,

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: no matter what they look like. Right. Yeah. Mm hmm.

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: All they have to do is like one little slip up in the first challenge,

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_03]: no matter how they and we know people look for any reason

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to take somebody out right away. So for sure. Mm hmm.

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Next up is Tiana, a 27 year old flight attendant from Hawaii.

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I worried about her almost from the start of the answers I saw from her.

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. For example, she said she will win,

[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: quote, because I am smart, tenacious, cutthroat, socially aware

[01:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and have a magnetic personality.

[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I have the ability to make people feel comfortable

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and can effortlessly make genuine connection with just about anyone.

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: People have an easy time opening up to me.

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And I plan on using that intel against others.

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I want this more than anyone, and I'll stay up finding a thousand idols

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: if I have to. That was that's a lot.

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's high production. Too many idols.

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot going on in that answer.

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: There is so much going on with Tiana.

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but I don't feel like any of it tells me much about her actual game plan.

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: She listed off a bunch of stuff. Right.

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And all I got out of it was she expects people to tell her their secrets

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so she can use it against them, which I mean, that sounds more

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: like a big brother strategy than a survivor.

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I mean, she seems like an incredible person.

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It just like she's another one of these like I'm out like Rome,

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like, wow, all of these things and all of these great qualities.

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And she seems like she's she's going to be a lot.

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And I like I love her like I was like, wow,

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved listening to her and her talk about the just herself

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and different things.

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But I I don't know if that is going to be enough

[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: to necessarily carry her through because she might.

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it might have been Rob this.

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe she's just going to be too good to be true kind of thing.

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, you just see her and she's she's just so like,

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like, wow, she's such a great person.

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But is that going to be is someone going to see that as a threat

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: because she's just so likable and she has all of these

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: these things about her.

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't know.

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so. I don't think she'll make it that far.

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just have to say, like, well,

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I have even earlier than people considering her a threat, you know,

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: because like her answer and what she wants in an alliance partner.

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Part of it was I value someone who's willing to make big moves,

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: who's willing to play fearlessly with me,

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: someone who's playing to win, not to lose.

[01:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We know what happens with those people.

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They make a move way too soon

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: when they didn't need to. And then they go out.

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So I fear she's going to be an early boot.

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. Yeah.

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to look at who else.

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we're going to be talking about TK.

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He's also a very big personality.

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like those two might end up playing off of each other.

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And then if you have if you throw Sue into the mix, I don't

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not as worried about her just because I do think that Tiana will

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_03]: be like she's she just has this thing about her personality.

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: She's kind of you kind of gravitate towards it, I think.

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And if they like you,

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: then they're not necessarily going to be looking for a reason to get rid of you.

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And if they don't think that you are too much of a strategist or too threatening,

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: then maybe we're just going to let you stick around.

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like I was talking about Kyle, if Kyle is just someone who's like,

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm here to support you and I and I don't seem to be too scary in the beginning.

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, then why do we have to necessarily get rid of this person? Right.

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So all right.

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And finally, you know, last but not least,

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: we have TK, like you mentioned, he's 31 and athlete

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: marketing manager from Maryland.

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Who another person who started watching when Covid hit.

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But he likes the original survivor better than the new era.

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I love TK for that.

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I knew you would.

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He believes you have to be more skillful due to the longer time frame.

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm sure that a lot of people like you are nodding

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: their heads when they say that, as well as a lot of other people

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: getting very angry about it.

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure. Yes.

[01:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But in the end, it doesn't matter because, you know, he's playing new era.

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have a choice.

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm hmm. Right.

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: TK has been through a lot beating a childhood kidney disease,

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: so he isn't too worried about being in the jungle.

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus his job involves wheeling and dealing with different types of people.

[01:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So he expects those skills to translate to the game

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and further thinks his social game will be his biggest strength,

[01:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: which is good because he doesn't plan to hold back

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: on other parts of his game, like being a challenge beast.

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just kind of plans to social game his way out of

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: any possible threat level that brings.

[01:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish him luck, but once they get to the merge and a little beyond,

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you're not going to be able to social game your way out of being a challenge.

[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. It's just people look at you and go, yeah, he's a nice guy.

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to get rid of him. Yeah.

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He probably sees that a bit too, which is why he plans

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: to grab every advantage or idle, beware or otherwise, that he's so many.

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. He could find to help keep himself safe.

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I worry that if he starts doing that, it'll add to his threat level.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Not reduce. Yeah, he is another big personality.

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He is someone who, like you said, has been through a lot.

[01:46:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like at this point that he's doing it all.

[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not he's not going to let anything stop him.

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like his approach to the game is going to be very much like that.

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we talked about with Rome, like it's going to be go, go, go,

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: which could be problematic for him if it's too much.

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think his his ability to be strong

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and challenges will be very necessary at the beginning.

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And as you said, once you get past the merge,

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_03]: is that going to be a focal point for people to want to take him out?

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of good feelings about TK

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: just in the type of work that he does with having to,

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, the negotiations of the deals that he might be very good

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_03]: at negotiating with other players about how to proceed with the game

[01:47:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and how to who they want to vote out and things of that nature.

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like he's likely going to do well.

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just I'm curious if he's

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: how he's going to manage to put it all together with that big personality,

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_03]: the the challenge component, the social skills.

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_03]: He is another one that I find very intriguing.

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. The interesting thing is he he recognizes that we've seen a bit

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: of people turning too quickly on their allies.

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, you know, that was fresh in his mind in the middle of Survivor 46.

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So he plans to play a safe game and only get aggressive when the time is right,

[01:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: which he said, you know, is not when there's 11 people left in the game.

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's good. Right.

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know how you play a safe middle of the road game

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: when you're also a challenge.

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. Yeah, that's not that's what I'm saying.

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not all going to balance the way that he necessarily wants it to.

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So now being a challenge beast means,

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, his tribe will almost certainly keep him in the pre-emerge.

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I worry about him after that.

[01:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So that takes us to our tribal prediction.

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, the only person I feel is in immediate danger,

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and I know I differ with you on that, is Tiana.

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of going the furthest, I'm going to take a leap of faith and say Sue.

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think Sue's going to do great.

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree with that assessment, but I have my concerns with Caroline.

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I really do. I think that she's someone that's going to not be able to hold back.

[01:48:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think that there's necessarily going to be any

[01:49:04] [SPEAKER_03]: any person on this tribe that would say, I'm going to step up.

[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And she wasn't someone that I think was mentioned at all

[01:49:10] [SPEAKER_03]: pregame from all of the descriptions.

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't I I think Caroline is going to be in a tough spot here.

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Well, let's get

[01:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: wrap things up here with our overall predictions.

[01:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: First out, overall,

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I worry about the Gatta tribe and I find myself going back to Annika again.

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I just have a bad feeling about how she'll do.

[01:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of it goes back to me,

[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: just not getting much from her bio and interview.

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And what I did get makes it seem to me that she's relying too much

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: on those project manager skills translating, which I'm not really sure they will.

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So my official first pick or not for first out pick is her.

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_03]: See, now I've put myself in a really tough spot

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because I have to stick my hand in a bag of rocks and pick a winner. Right.

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So I might. Yeah.

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is the problem because you already have your winner pick.

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse me. So you of course.

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could do a you could do a bag of rocks for first out too.

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, this is a great idea. Hang on one sec.

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's that's hysterical.

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do I I will I will pick.

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say, I think you're growing there.

[01:50:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you tell us who you would have picked

[01:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and then, you know, who your official one is.

[01:50:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think I think Rachel, I there there's just something about Rachel

[01:50:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that I keep coming back to as well.

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm concerned about her.

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So and I and I think that that tribe, I have I have worries

[01:50:37] [SPEAKER_03]: for that particular tribe, too.

[01:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to go with Rachel as the first one out.

[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so you're not going to pick for that.

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. As far as my winner pick.

[01:50:49] [SPEAKER_01]: In other seasons, let's be honest here, I'd be debating who to go with.

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: There are several players this season who could have risen to that level

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_01]: from Andy to Rome, to Tini, to Sam.

[01:50:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But let's face it, the minute I saw Asia was on this cast,

[01:51:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I knew who I'd be picking that, you know, some new

[01:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: some seasons I debate now.

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just out of our JP podcast or loyalty

[01:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: or the fact that she's the first survivor player

[01:51:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I've ever podcast did a couple of times with before they played.

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I really do think she has the skills to win.

[01:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So that just all piles on top.

[01:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So Asia is my winner pick,

[01:51:24] [SPEAKER_01]: as I'm sure she will be many in the community.

[01:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. We have a bag.

[01:51:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Looks like a Starbucks bag.

[01:51:30] [SPEAKER_03]: We have a Starbucks bag.

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And we have rocks.

[01:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's full of all of the rocks.

[01:51:34] [SPEAKER_03]: My son put all of their names in here.

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I have not. We're going to.

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Take this around. Sorry, it's very loud.

[01:51:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's next to my microphone.

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_03]: My father told me, don't ever pick the first rock you touch,

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_03]: which is exactly what I did when I was out there.

[01:51:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So I've learned my lesson.

[01:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're not doing that. We're swirling, as my father said.

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You need to swirl. OK, I'm going to go with this guy.

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Drum roll.

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Ready? Rome.

[01:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome, that's a good pick.

[01:52:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That is a good pick.

[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited about that.

[01:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So, Rome, you're my guy.

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Rome was probably in the in your,

[01:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, mind anyway, as a possibility.

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That was definitely I feel I'm very happy.

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I can I can take a Rome.

[01:52:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is you're my rock.

[01:52:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You're my rock, Rome. Here we are.

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, this will be a winning rock for.

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to apologize now.

[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We know how this can go.

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But Rome, you're you're mine.

[01:52:35] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. There we are.

[01:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to keep my little Rome rock right there.

[01:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what we're doing.

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Well.

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We're done.

[01:52:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But the rules that we talked about in that preview,

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to mention come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form.

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You can go to Rob has website dot com slash YXLostFeed.

[01:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Scroll down, get to the poster, click on it, order it.

[01:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And our expert shipping department will get one right out to you.

[01:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's expert, but we try really hard.

[01:53:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's an experience now for it's been a couple of years.

[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say you're an expert.

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You can keep scrolling and you find the poster t shirt,

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: which is exactly what I'm wearing.

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And keep scrolling and get the checklist t shirt as well.

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So, again, go to Rob has website dot com slash YXLostFeed for all of that.

[01:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. Now, should we talk about how people can find us?

[01:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.

[01:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Very well.

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So I am at well, I'm on Twitter at JessicaLewis89

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and I have taken a bit of a sabbatical.

[01:53:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't been on very often, but now that the season is beginning yet again,

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_03]: you will see much more of me on Twitter.

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And David Bloomberg, on the other hand, is a nonstop social media guru.

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_03]: He is on everything you can imagine and then some so much so he has created a

[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_03]: he has a page.

[01:53:57] [SPEAKER_03]: He is a massive page with all of the things and places that you can find him.

[01:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So I will defer to you, David, to talk about your link tree.

[01:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you could find my link tree at link tree slash David Bloomberg.

[01:54:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a dot before the E in that URL.

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Or you could find me directly on Twitter and Blue Sky is at David Bloomberg

[01:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and on threads is at David Bloomberg TV,

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: on the video platforms, Tiktok, YouTube and Instagram.

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also at David Bloomberg TV.

[01:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I have been all summer long, been posting three or more videos per day

[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: at each of those locations.

[01:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they've mostly been about Big Brother,

[01:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: both the show and the live feeds, along with some from

[01:54:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when it was on, there was Claim to Fame was on there.

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And the anonymous is still on there with in case you don't know what that is.

[01:54:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Sandra's daughter, Nina, who was on a couple of seasons of Australian Survivor.

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: She's on the anonymous.

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: There's I've had a couple from Outlast.

[01:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned that show.

[01:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting ready to post some from The Circle.

[01:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, there will soon be some from Survivor 47.

[01:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: There will.

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, again, you know, check out

[01:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: my biggest following right now is YouTube.

[01:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I have over 36,000 subscribers on YouTube.

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So check me out there on Tiktok.

[01:55:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I just passed 8000.

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So either way at David Bloomberg TV.

[01:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Excellent. Well.

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Are we thanking people now?

[01:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first, I want to mention other things that we're doing.

[01:55:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned that I am, of course, doing Why Blank Lost Double Duty

[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, with Big Brother still on.

[01:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So I podcast with Big Brother 21's Ovi Kabir.

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it popped up on my Facebook memories yesterday

[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that yesterday was the fourth anniversary

[01:55:53] [SPEAKER_01]: of the first time Ovi appeared on Why Blank Lost.

[01:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He was our guest during Big Brother All Stars

[01:55:59] [SPEAKER_01]: when you were still co-hosting Big Brother.

[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Why that's fantastic.

[01:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, unfortunately, Facebook has this thing where they pop up

[01:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: memories like at the end of the day.

[01:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: No, pop those up at the beginning of the day.

[01:56:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So it popped up at the end of the day.

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I had already recorded our Why Blank Lost for Big Brother with Ovi.

[01:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was too late for that.

[01:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But of course, you can find that podcast.

[01:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Why Quinn Lost, you can find that and all the other ones

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: from Big Brother. Those are already out there.

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I will also be appearing in, you know, coming days and weeks

[01:56:36] [SPEAKER_01]: on a few other podcasts.

[01:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be once again co-hosting the Trade Our podcast.

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: This time it'll be covering the Traders Canada.

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll start in a couple of weeks.

[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I also appear somewhat regularly on the Truth Unrestricted

[01:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast, which is definitely not an entertainment podcast.

[01:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We do sometimes talk about reality TV, but it's usually in other

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: contexts and usually talks about like politics and science

[01:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and other philosophical matters.

[01:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I will not be doing any of those podcasts.

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. You have other work to do.

[01:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I unfortunately have so much work to do, but I am very

[01:57:13] [SPEAKER_03]: happy to be back doing this with you, David Bloomberg.

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: This is quite lovely.

[01:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited for this season, 40-several.

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be lovely to discuss all of the players each week.

[01:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm looking forward to it.

[01:57:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We have what appears to be, hopefully, keep my fingers crossed,

[01:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: a great list of people joining us throughout the season.

[01:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So that will be one as well.

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're working on that.

[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I do want to mention that in the premiere episode,

[01:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: we will have Jake O'Kane as our guest.

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was my winner pick?

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was your winner pick?

[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I just looked down and there's a giant spider crawling right next to me.

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I want to encourage people to check out the RJP

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[01:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And now I would like to thank everyone.

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I should definitely thank RJP in general,

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: because listen to all of the lovely things that is being put out

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_03]: for all of you who are in the underbelly world.

[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Got to hear from all of the editing that you do,

[01:58:51] [SPEAKER_03]: not only for the Why Blank Lost podcast,

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but all of the incredible content that you just heard about.

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And also to just thank you to Jessica Sterling,

[01:58:59] [SPEAKER_03]: because she also is involved in the editing process as well with RJP.

[01:59:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you for that.

[01:59:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And thank you to the entire staff and team with RJP,

[01:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: because really it is incredible at the amount of content

[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that is being put out and the amount of work that is being put

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[01:59:17] [SPEAKER_03]: In addition to all of the extra components of RJP.

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And we just appreciate it so much.

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you to all the listeners for supporting not only this podcast,

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_03]: but all of the content.

[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And thank you, David, for, as I said,

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: being patient with me throughout my very busy schedule here.

[01:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But this has been a great time.

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to be back here with you.

[01:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I look forward to a great season of Survivor.

[01:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. And thank you, Jessica.

[01:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's great to have you back.

[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it feels right. You know, we're ready to go with Survivor again.

[01:59:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels good.

[01:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like so. All right.

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We will see everyone in, you know, roughly a week

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: for the first official episode of Why Blank Lost with J.Cole King.

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: See you then. Bye.

[02:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Baby, this is why Blank Lost.