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[00:02:04] This is Why Blank Lost

[00:02:38] Welcome back to Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg, and I was going to start this podcast by hanging upside down from a pole, but I didn't want to show off.

[00:02:47] Those of you watching the video version of this podcast can see that my usual co-host, Jessica Lewis, is not here.

[00:02:54] But I am very excited to have Survivor 44 runner up, Heidi Lagueres Greenblatt stepping in for her this week.

[00:03:00] Woo! Thank you for having me. I am so excited to be here. Sad that Jessica's not here, but hopefully I can do justice and remotely do something as good as she usually does.

[00:03:14] I'm sure you will.

[00:03:15] As we mentioned last week, Jessica is at Adam Klein's wedding, so hopefully she's having fun celebrating in Vegas, baby.

[00:03:24] We send our congratulations to Adam and his new wife.

[00:03:28] Yes, congratulations!

[00:03:30] Heidi, how have you been doing?

[00:03:33] I'm doing great. Life is busy, but I cannot complain. It's been very fantastic.

[00:03:40] It's been really fun to watch as a fan again. 45 and 46 for me, and 46 has been very spicy, so I'm very excited to talk about this episode.

[00:03:52] Yes, I've seen you at some parties, some watch parties, so that's good. Getting the inside scoop and everything.

[00:04:00] Yes, I've met some people, 45 and 46, but with that I want to say right off the bat, I have no spoilers in the future.

[00:04:08] I try to keep myself out of the spoilers so I can really just enjoy it as a fan and be able to talk as a fan.

[00:04:14] So if I say something that's wrong or mistake or whatever, it's because I really don't know what will happen.

[00:04:19] That's right. That's right.

[00:04:21] Yeah, I haven't really heard anything about spoilers for this season, which is good.

[00:04:27] I mean, I always avoid them like the plague, but sometimes you just know they're hanging around out there.

[00:04:34] Like, I guess apparently I found out afterwards that they were for your season.

[00:04:38] Oh, plenty!

[00:04:40] I had predicted Jam Jam would win, and I heard afterwards that some people were like, oh, he just heard that.

[00:04:50] No, I just looked at Jam Jam and went, I think this man's going to win.

[00:04:54] Of course, this season I looked at Tevin and said, I think this man's going to win.

[00:04:58] And you were wrong!

[00:05:01] You know.

[00:05:03] Now, you do learn certain patterns to be able to tell certain things.

[00:05:09] Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong.

[00:05:11] So again, it's super fun to stay away from the spoilers and just go with them.

[00:05:15] Oh yeah.

[00:05:16] And I cannot wait to go through the rules.

[00:05:19] Hunter was definitely a fan favorite.

[00:05:21] We'll talk about that.

[00:05:23] I loved him too.

[00:05:25] There are certainly mistakes that he did that was breaking some of the rules.

[00:05:29] So we'll talk about that.

[00:05:30] Yes.

[00:05:31] And so even in situations like this one where there was one key mistake, one key moment in time

[00:05:39] where a player should have done something different, we have to remember there's almost

[00:05:42] always a much bigger series of actions or events that led to it.

[00:05:46] And we will find that for Hunter by following our usual path of comparing how he played

[00:05:55] to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one and have been

[00:06:00] updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we see

[00:06:05] on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes.

[00:06:09] And of course, the newest version of the rules can be found on the website by going

[00:06:14] to our dedicated page at robhasawebsite.com slash yxlostfeed and clicking on the link

[00:06:19] bubble for the survivor rules.

[00:06:21] But before we address how Hunter did, we always have some other things to discuss from the

[00:06:28] episode. And much like we did last week, we're going to start with Q.

[00:06:36] Because I have to tell you, I am just plain confused or Q-n-fused.

[00:06:44] Last week, I talked about how I thought he had been working a strategy in tribal council.

[00:06:51] And when I posted a clip of that on Twitter, a clip of the podcast, Q even quoted it

[00:06:58] and said, this guy is way better than any of the news outlets.

[00:07:02] Take notes, CNN.

[00:07:06] Yeah, so that obviously made me feel pretty good about my read on the situation.

[00:07:12] And then this episode started and Q said he brought that up because he felt bad about

[00:07:18] the move he tried to make. Now, I still feel like maybe we're missing some key

[00:07:25] confessionals as I'm pretty sure we were in some earlier Q situation.

[00:07:31] But the evidence has been piling up and I'm just not really sure what to think

[00:07:35] or what to make of it anymore.

[00:07:37] He obviously didn't really want to quit the same way that previous people have

[00:07:42] because he didn't come back to camp and mope around.

[00:07:46] He seemed excited.

[00:07:48] He was saying they pay for their big mistake of keeping him.

[00:07:52] And he even tried to keep himself somewhat low on the radar for the next day.

[00:07:57] So was he really trying to quit or was it as as Pink Floyd might say,

[00:08:03] a momentary lapse of reason?

[00:08:07] I suspect the latter.

[00:08:08] I still wouldn't be at all surprised to find out later in interviews or whatever

[00:08:14] that there was an element of strategy behind it.

[00:08:17] Though, as I've said before, if that was the case, it was not good.

[00:08:22] No, no.

[00:08:23] Oh my God.

[00:08:23] I I've been thinking about this since it happened and I think all of us,

[00:08:28] including Jeff, right?

[00:08:29] That's why he brought the popcorn and the cushion for this tribal council.

[00:08:34] But we were all a little bit like what just happened a little bit.

[00:08:38] Our job was falling here is a little bit of my theories.

[00:08:42] It's a little combination of he probably had something in mind to go a little bananas.

[00:08:49] So to create chaos, which happens in tribal council, sometimes you want to create chaos.

[00:08:56] And I think it's a combination of trying to do that.

[00:08:59] Plus, he's hungry as heck.

[00:09:01] OK, if you put this into perspective, being hungry,

[00:09:04] sometimes your mind is not thinking very straight.

[00:09:07] Right.

[00:09:08] So I and they don't even have rice at this point in 44.

[00:09:11] From my experience, we started getting rice and that was like,

[00:09:14] I saw a new me after I had that first bite of rice.

[00:09:18] So I truly think it's a combination of he was trying to create chaos.

[00:09:23] He was extremely hungry and probably his mind is like, well, if I just go home,

[00:09:28] maybe I get to eat.

[00:09:29] It could have happened through his mind.

[00:09:31] Not that he wanted to quit, but it's just your mind and your body is really

[00:09:35] just craving some food and calories in you.

[00:09:38] And maybe the third one was a little bit of emotion, like he let the emotions

[00:09:44] get the best out of him.

[00:09:45] And when you combine all those three, you don't know what's going to come out.

[00:09:49] Yeah, I think that's what we got now.

[00:09:51] This is Heidi's opinion, but I truly think it was a bit of a combination of all of that.

[00:09:55] Yeah.

[00:09:55] Yeah.

[00:09:56] Maybe one day we'll find out.

[00:09:58] Maybe not.

[00:09:59] Who knows?

[00:10:00] Yeah, I'm very curious too.

[00:10:04] I'm sure that either depending on where he goes home, even if he makes it to the top three,

[00:10:11] people will ask him this question.

[00:10:12] So I cannot wait for those interviews because I really want to see what he's going to say.

[00:10:21] And we will look through what he says, right?

[00:10:23] Because now it's been almost a year since this got recorded and you kind of create

[00:10:27] this new experience in your mind after you see the edit.

[00:10:30] But in all honesty, you may be able to read in within what he's saying to see if he's

[00:10:34] saying the truth or not.

[00:10:35] We'll see.

[00:10:36] Right.

[00:10:36] Yeah.

[00:10:36] I cannot wait.

[00:10:38] Yeah.

[00:10:38] And that's one thing we do is we, okay, well they said this and was that 100% true?

[00:10:44] Was it not?

[00:10:44] Because as we've discussed, everyone has their own perspective and not everybody's

[00:10:48] perspective matches up with objective reality.

[00:10:52] That's exactly right.

[00:10:53] And you don't know what really happens in the other tribes.

[00:10:56] You don't really know what happens when you are not around.

[00:11:00] Right?

[00:11:00] So seeing the edit gives you a different perspective, even if people told you things

[00:11:05] after.

[00:11:06] So when you put all the pieces together, then your reality becomes slightly different

[00:11:09] than what it would have been when you got home.

[00:11:12] Right?

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:12] I just saw someone on The Circle posted on Twitter and they were in an alliance

[00:11:19] that they thought was an alliance of three, but someone else invited someone else to

[00:11:24] make it an alliance of four.

[00:11:25] And she said, this is the first I do of it.

[00:11:28] Watching it on TV.

[00:11:30] Yeah.

[00:11:31] Yeah.

[00:11:31] So and that's true for us too.

[00:11:33] Now, I'm sure a lot of the contestants, because you cannot talk about it.

[00:11:37] They talk amongst each other because you have nobody else, even though you're

[00:11:40] not meant to really talk.

[00:11:41] But there are things that you talk and then even though you don't want to

[00:11:44] tell each other things, there are things you discover and you're like, oh gosh.

[00:11:48] So it is a normal course of the contestant lives when they come back.

[00:11:52] Yes.

[00:11:54] Now, another Q related topic to discuss is about Liz being upset because her

[00:12:00] move of getting out Tevin was overshadowed by Q.

[00:12:04] And yeah, I agree that it was and I do think it might have been

[00:12:09] another reason he did it to take back a semblance of control in the game

[00:12:14] because he had lost control.

[00:12:15] He was just being informed about the vote.

[00:12:18] Yeah.

[00:12:18] And so I mentioned that on Twitter.

[00:12:21] Q liked my tweet, but as we just discussed, I'm not sure whether or not

[00:12:25] that means anything.

[00:12:27] But getting back to Liz, she wanted to show she's a player and you took

[00:12:32] that away, which led to her being extremely pissed off at him.

[00:12:38] Actually was a good moment for me in my eyes about list.

[00:12:42] If you remember in episode one and even episode two when she made these

[00:12:49] comments about whatever it was that she said that she's so successful in life

[00:12:54] and all of that at the time during the episode, I was like yelling at the TV

[00:12:57] is like, what are you doing?

[00:13:00] Even if you are the greatest person outside the game, you don't say those

[00:13:03] things in the game is killing your game.

[00:13:05] Maybe within the context, maybe she said a lot of things about her, but

[00:13:10] those are the things that got accentuated in the episode.

[00:13:12] So of course that stuck with me.

[00:13:14] So now fast forward multiple episodes.

[00:13:17] When I see this moment, I was like, okay, she is playing the game too.

[00:13:21] She was trying, right?

[00:13:24] At least I give her that credit.

[00:13:25] It had a moment of authenticity as well because I feel like we haven't

[00:13:30] had that much from her.

[00:13:34] So her being there almost crying and just being very defeated at the time

[00:13:40] in the moment during that confessional that she was just saying,

[00:13:43] he took the thunder from me.

[00:13:45] I actually can relate as a person a lot more with her and I agree in

[00:13:50] some ways with her, but you have to understand that if this is happening

[00:13:54] and you think this is the only way you're going to shine, you need to

[00:13:57] also understand the intricacies behind that because that means

[00:14:01] you don't have agency.

[00:14:02] Right?

[00:14:02] If this is the only way you're going to shine, you better work on

[00:14:06] other things as well to make sure you get the agency that you need

[00:14:09] in order to win the game.

[00:14:11] So I think good emotional moment, great as a viewer to connect with her.

[00:14:16] I think she, you know, within that crazy emotion and maybe that's

[00:14:19] one of the rules here is like if you can control those emotions

[00:14:22] and see past that, that there's more work to be done for you.

[00:14:25] I think she could position herself in a really good way, but right

[00:14:29] now it tells me that maybe she doesn't have the agency that she

[00:14:32] needs to make it all the way to the end.

[00:14:34] Right?

[00:14:34] And, you know, one thing that Rob and Cassidy discussed on the

[00:14:38] post game podcast was why is everyone so concerned about getting

[00:14:41] credit for their moves as Liz was?

[00:14:45] And I mean, Cassidy noted that we've seen previous new era

[00:14:49] seasons with people winning or losing because of making or not

[00:14:52] making moves or because being seen as making or not making

[00:14:56] moves.

[00:14:57] And she noted it was present in her season two, which it

[00:15:01] definitely was.

[00:15:02] And indeed, I would add it was primary reason some jurors gave

[00:15:07] for not voting for her to win.

[00:15:11] You know, if I were a player, I would see what happened in her

[00:15:16] season and other new era seasons and also be obsessed with

[00:15:21] making sure people knew, hey, I made this move.

[00:15:25] Now you have to balance it because you don't want to be so

[00:15:31] too flashy.

[00:15:32] Right?

[00:15:33] That you end up as a threat.

[00:15:36] But nobody wants to make moves and then not get credit for them

[00:15:40] when they get to the end.

[00:15:42] That's up to me.

[00:15:43] I mean, I made it to the final three.

[00:15:45] I got one vote.

[00:15:45] Right?

[00:15:46] That's so important.

[00:15:47] Sometimes the could have should have would have I tried to

[00:15:50] avoid it as much as possible for my life, but it is hard

[00:15:53] as a top three finalist to it's hard to not think, okay,

[00:15:59] what else could I have done?

[00:16:00] And I truly, truly think building your resume is the way to

[00:16:05] make it to the end and win it.

[00:16:06] Right?

[00:16:07] And part of the resume is having that social interaction.

[00:16:10] Social is part of that resume for sure.

[00:16:13] But you got to make moves.

[00:16:14] And I will be just as frustrated if you're trying to

[00:16:18] make a move and people sort of know you made the move,

[00:16:21] but then you get overshadowed by something else.

[00:16:24] It's a tough one.

[00:16:25] I truly think it's a tough one.

[00:16:26] But if she happens to make it to the end, she needs

[00:16:30] to make a point during the speech of this moment.

[00:16:33] Right?

[00:16:34] She needs to send the jury a bunch of emails to convince

[00:16:37] them.

[00:16:39] But definitely inserting in the questions, even if they

[00:16:41] never ask her about this, you have to make sure you

[00:16:44] make that message there at the end.

[00:16:46] So we'll see what happens.

[00:16:47] I think this is one of the things she's doing to try

[00:16:50] to win, which I love.

[00:16:52] She's going to have to work harder.

[00:16:53] This is not the only move she can make.

[00:16:55] She's going to have to come up with a whole bunch of

[00:16:57] other ones in order for her to make it this far.

[00:17:00] But it was a great moment for her.

[00:17:01] I must say, I felt for the first time I felt like,

[00:17:04] okay, Liz arrived.

[00:17:06] Okay, she's playing the game too.

[00:17:08] Right?

[00:17:10] All right.

[00:17:11] Well, the third topic related to Q was that a

[00:17:14] number of people mentioned how he had said in

[00:17:18] the pregame he wasn't going to throw challenges

[00:17:21] and he didn't want anyone on his team throwing

[00:17:23] challenges.

[00:17:24] He suggested to Charlie that Charlie does that in

[00:17:29] the immunity challenge.

[00:17:30] So Hunter wouldn't win immunity and people were

[00:17:33] like, oh, this is so hypocritical.

[00:17:35] No, it's not.

[00:17:36] No, I'm sorry.

[00:17:37] Q indicated he wouldn't throw a challenge and

[00:17:41] didn't want anyone on his team doing it.

[00:17:43] Charlie wasn't on his team.

[00:17:45] And in fact, if Charlie had thrown it, Q's

[00:17:48] team would have won.

[00:17:50] So it sounds to me like it was just a smart

[00:17:52] idea to give it a shot.

[00:17:54] I do not see any hypocrisy in this whatsoever.

[00:17:57] Yeah, it's so interesting, right?

[00:18:00] Because I'm with you and that's actually what

[00:18:02] I had in my nose too.

[00:18:03] Like he's making them throw the challenge,

[00:18:06] but he's not in your team, right?

[00:18:07] So it's a weird one.

[00:18:10] I think he had the right idea if somehow he

[00:18:13] could convince him to get there.

[00:18:15] But it was a long shot, right?

[00:18:17] Oh, it was an incredible long shot.

[00:18:19] I mean, that is one flaw of that particular

[00:18:24] setup for the immunity challenge.

[00:18:26] I really don't like any immunity challenge

[00:18:28] that depends on other people for me to win immunity.

[00:18:34] And so it's a flaw that, okay, I'm playing

[00:18:40] the game.

[00:18:41] I'm out there.

[00:18:42] I'm with someone.

[00:18:43] They don't want me to win.

[00:18:44] So they just go slow.

[00:18:46] I mean, Charlie could have done that, but

[00:18:49] Charlie looked at it and said, maybe I can

[00:18:52] be a hunter on this.

[00:18:54] He should have said it to Q like, Q, what

[00:18:57] if Maria or I beat the hunter?

[00:19:01] Then you have that's not a concern, right?

[00:19:04] Maybe just put them on the spot or put

[00:19:06] Q on the spot in that conversation.

[00:19:08] I don't know.

[00:19:09] That could have been super fun if they

[00:19:10] said, what if we beat him?

[00:19:12] I think you did say something.

[00:19:14] I think he had a little bit in there where

[00:19:17] he said, if it looks like something Hunter

[00:19:19] will beat you at or now Q's idea of what

[00:19:23] Hunter would win at and Charlie's idea,

[00:19:25] obviously two different things.

[00:19:26] But again, I just don't see it as being

[00:19:30] hypocritical.

[00:19:31] It's like saying that a pitcher who acts

[00:19:35] like he's going to throw a fastball but

[00:19:37] throws a slider instead is somehow doing

[00:19:41] the wrong thing.

[00:19:42] No, he's fooling the other player.

[00:19:44] And that's what you tried to do here.

[00:19:46] Yeah, yeah.

[00:19:48] Good moment.

[00:19:48] I don't think.

[00:19:49] Yeah, it had nowhere to go.

[00:19:51] I think maybe it shows a little bit about

[00:19:54] talking about agency there.

[00:19:56] Maybe it shows a little about agency too.

[00:19:58] I don't think he had anywhere to go.

[00:20:00] I think it shows the fact that it was

[00:20:02] brought up and Charlie said no and

[00:20:04] then won it.

[00:20:06] I think speaks well to Charlie's

[00:20:09] chances of winning as far as the edit

[00:20:12] goes.

[00:20:13] You know what could have been interesting?

[00:20:14] What if they lose and then Charlie says

[00:20:17] we threw it for you.

[00:20:19] That would have been amazing, right?

[00:20:21] Like all of a sudden Q wins and Charlie

[00:20:24] I'll be like I threw it for you just

[00:20:26] for you.

[00:20:29] That would have been awesome.

[00:20:31] That clearly didn't happen.

[00:20:35] All right.

[00:20:36] Well, there were, of course.

[00:20:39] Do you have more about Q because I

[00:20:40] have one more.

[00:20:41] Oh, no, go ahead.

[00:20:42] It's not really about Q.

[00:20:44] It's more about Tiff against Q how

[00:20:48] pissed she was at the whole situation

[00:20:53] with Q which talks a lot about the

[00:20:56] whole tribal council was so chaotic,

[00:20:58] right?

[00:20:59] Because Tiff came back and they shot

[00:21:01] it at the beginning of the episode.

[00:21:03] She was clearly not happy.

[00:21:05] So I wonder if part of what we saw

[00:21:09] of Q, the way he was acting and all

[00:21:11] of that could have been also because

[00:21:14] what just happened with Tiff.

[00:21:15] I feel like he probably has to think

[00:21:17] in his mind, I got to show all these

[00:21:19] people that I wasn't quitting because

[00:21:20] I'm still here, right?

[00:21:23] But the whole fiasco with Q and Tiff

[00:21:27] was very interesting to me because

[00:21:30] I look at my season and the

[00:21:33] weakest tribe, the one that was

[00:21:35] in the middle, right?

[00:21:36] You had the two big tribes

[00:21:38] going at each other and then they

[00:21:40] could have just gone through the

[00:21:41] middle too.

[00:21:42] The three of them are still there

[00:21:44] and all of a sudden they're just

[00:21:45] killing each other.

[00:21:46] They're breaking their relationship.

[00:21:48] So I'm very interesting to see

[00:21:49] what's going to happen between

[00:21:50] the three of them, but it's

[00:21:51] clearly not going to be a strong

[00:21:53] three anymore because Tiff was

[00:21:55] not having it.

[00:21:56] Yeah, this whole season has been

[00:21:58] characterized well, this whole season,

[00:21:59] last few episodes have been

[00:22:00] characterized by I must get rid

[00:22:03] of my close ally.

[00:22:07] Yeah, Yanu is falling apart.

[00:22:09] Nami already has.

[00:22:11] Yes, yes.

[00:22:12] So I don't it's so interesting.

[00:22:14] I truly think looking back, this

[00:22:16] may be the very first season in

[00:22:18] the new era where the alliances

[00:22:21] of the tribes, the original

[00:22:23] tribes are gone.

[00:22:25] Like I feel like I always

[00:22:27] thought this format of survivor

[00:22:29] makes them just stick with

[00:22:31] their own tribes for the way is,

[00:22:33] you know, the format just pushes

[00:22:34] you that way.

[00:22:35] And this is the first season that

[00:22:37] I'm like, forget about Yanu and

[00:22:39] Nami and Siga.

[00:22:40] They're all free for all in some

[00:22:42] ways, right?

[00:22:43] Maybe like Maria and Charlie are

[00:22:45] still quite a bit together.

[00:22:47] But I don't even think Tiff

[00:22:49] and Kenzie seem kind of that

[00:22:50] close anymore, although we can

[00:22:51] argue that maybe Tiff,

[00:22:53] Kenzie may have told Tiff,

[00:22:54] we didn't see that, but may have

[00:22:56] told Tiff about the whole

[00:22:57] idol. I don't know.

[00:22:58] But just in general, it's kind

[00:22:59] of a refreshing thing to see

[00:23:01] that the tribes are not sticking

[00:23:03] with each other.

[00:23:04] Very different than before.

[00:23:05] Yeah, yeah.

[00:23:06] Now there were, of course, other

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[00:23:09] going to go about all of them.

[00:23:11] I will be putting some of them

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[00:25:27] Jeff Probst is wrong about

[00:25:28] blank segment back.

[00:25:29] Because of his statement about

[00:25:35] live tribal councils he tried

[00:25:37] to push the idea that live

[00:25:40] tribals are happening

[00:25:42] frequently but he couldn't even

[00:25:45] get Hunter to agree with that.

[00:25:47] You know he made a comment

[00:25:49] to Hunter like about how well

[00:25:53] some people question whether or

[00:25:54] not they're really live.

[00:25:56] No I don't question it.

[00:25:59] I'm flat out saying they aren't

[00:26:01] in almost every circumstance.

[00:26:04] There is a lot more pretending

[00:26:06] going on among the players.

[00:26:08] The players may act like

[00:26:09] something's going on but rarely

[00:26:12] is it truly live.

[00:26:14] Even last week when Q shook

[00:26:16] everything up what happened?

[00:26:18] It's settled back down on

[00:26:20] the Tevin plan.

[00:26:21] They were all like nope we're

[00:26:22] just sticking with it.

[00:26:23] This week definitely not live

[00:26:26] because people were locked into

[00:26:28] how they were voting and that

[00:26:29] never changed.

[00:26:30] So again no Jeff the vast

[00:26:34] majority of tribal councils are

[00:26:36] not live despite what Jeff

[00:26:38] would like us to believe.

[00:26:39] Now I agree with that.

[00:26:41] I think we could question if

[00:26:44] Hunter came in tribal council

[00:26:46] thinking he's playing the idol

[00:26:48] and maybe he changed his mind

[00:26:49] on the spot.

[00:26:51] That could have been just him

[00:26:53] and I don't call that a live

[00:26:54] tribal council.

[00:26:56] It's more this these idols

[00:26:58] burn in your pocket and you

[00:27:00] really want to keep it.

[00:27:02] So I think it wasn't quite

[00:27:03] a live tribal council

[00:27:04] in that situation but other

[00:27:06] than that you can kind of

[00:27:07] tell everyone had an idea

[00:27:10] what to do.

[00:27:11] I mean you better know

[00:27:12] ahead of time let's be honest

[00:27:13] here like if you're keeping

[00:27:14] your mind completely open

[00:27:15] for the end I think you're

[00:27:17] not playing the right

[00:27:17] survivor strategy.

[00:27:20] Can we talk about was it

[00:27:22] I think it was on this one

[00:27:23] that Jeff was like it

[00:27:25] clearly is the three of you

[00:27:26] are going to lose this

[00:27:27] challenge.

[00:27:28] Oh yeah.

[00:27:29] Yeah he was very wrong

[00:27:31] about that one too which I love

[00:27:32] love love love that I'm sure

[00:27:34] he loved it too to be wrong.

[00:27:35] Oh yeah he doesn't mind.

[00:27:37] Yeah something to talk

[00:27:39] about you know.

[00:27:40] Yes big mistake and yet

[00:27:42] I love that it was pretty

[00:27:44] balanced if you look at

[00:27:45] the people it's I was

[00:27:47] very disappointed that Q was

[00:27:49] the last one in the bridge.

[00:27:51] I don't know if you noticed

[00:27:52] that during the bridge part

[00:27:54] somehow Venus ended up first

[00:27:56] way before Q.

[00:27:57] So going back to what I said

[00:27:59] earlier maybe that non eating

[00:28:01] part for Q is really

[00:28:02] affecting him because I think

[00:28:03] there's that and I also

[00:28:05] think that sometimes a

[00:28:07] lighter player like being

[00:28:09] on that bridge and being

[00:28:11] lighter you know you're

[00:28:13] not you know like Q's

[00:28:14] having to support himself

[00:28:15] and his legs are probably

[00:28:17] going through his knees

[00:28:18] are going through whereas

[00:28:20] Venus being lighter I think

[00:28:23] you know there are just some

[00:28:24] challenges that are better

[00:28:27] for some players than others

[00:28:28] and you know maybe she has

[00:28:30] better hand eye well she

[00:28:32] shouldn't he was a D1

[00:28:33] athlete you know but.

[00:28:34] That's where I was going yeah.

[00:28:36] Yeah this type of thing maybe

[00:28:37] she has better hand eye

[00:28:38] coordination I don't know.

[00:28:39] Yeah I don't know it was

[00:28:41] interesting to see that

[00:28:43] that you know anyway but

[00:28:45] it was it was it was a fun

[00:28:47] it was a fun challenge I'm

[00:28:48] not gonna lie it was a

[00:28:49] really fun one.

[00:28:49] Yeah all right well before

[00:28:52] we get to how Hunter did we

[00:28:54] do want to mention that a

[00:28:57] shorter and much more colorful

[00:28:59] version of the rules is

[00:29:01] available in poster form

[00:29:03] go to Rob has website.com

[00:29:04] slash yxlostfeed scroll down

[00:29:06] to the poster and click on it

[00:29:09] and then order it in

[00:29:10] addition to the poster you

[00:29:12] can keep scrolling and you

[00:29:13] can find the poster on a

[00:29:14] t-shirt and the checklist

[00:29:17] on a t-shirt so.

[00:29:20] You know.

[00:29:22] You know make sure that you

[00:29:23] go ahead order all of those

[00:29:26] I don't know if you know

[00:29:28] if you order right now

[00:29:29] you might be able to get

[00:29:30] a shirt before the Chicago

[00:29:32] event you could wear it there

[00:29:34] but I just don't know

[00:29:35] their shipping schedule but

[00:29:37] again that's at Rob has

[00:29:39] website.com slash yxlostfeed.

[00:29:42] Are you guys still doing

[00:29:43] all the sending it

[00:29:45] yourself and all of that.

[00:29:46] The posters yes the

[00:29:47] t-shirts are through RHAP.

[00:29:50] Got it and by yourself

[00:29:52] it's all Jessica.

[00:29:54] Yes.

[00:29:58] All right well Hunter knew

[00:30:00] or should have known

[00:30:01] that he had to win

[00:30:02] every immunity challenge

[00:30:03] or play his idol

[00:30:04] in order to progress

[00:30:05] in the game when he did

[00:30:07] neither of those this week

[00:30:08] well he was sent back.

[00:30:11] It's very easy to say

[00:30:12] Hunter was voted out

[00:30:13] simply because he didn't

[00:30:14] play his idol but there

[00:30:15] were a lot of other

[00:30:16] factors at play most

[00:30:17] important of which is

[00:30:19] the background of what

[00:30:20] caused him to need to

[00:30:21] play the idol.

[00:30:23] So let's dig into it

[00:30:24] all as we figure out

[00:30:25] why Hunter lost.

[00:30:29] I cannot wait to talk about this.

[00:30:32] Well for obvious reasons

[00:30:34] we're going to go a bit

[00:30:35] out of order with the rules

[00:30:36] and begin with the seventh

[00:30:38] which covers idols

[00:30:39] and advantages in game mechanics.

[00:30:42] Now of course Hunter

[00:30:44] should have played his idol.

[00:30:46] Nobody nobody would argue that

[00:30:50] the questions we have

[00:30:51] in this rule are specifically

[00:30:54] why he didn't

[00:30:56] and why he told other people

[00:30:57] about it after keeping

[00:30:59] it secret for so long.

[00:31:01] During the episode

[00:31:02] I live tweeted

[00:31:04] if I were Hunter

[00:31:05] I would not believe a word

[00:31:06] of this whole plan

[00:31:08] and I would 100 percent

[00:31:09] play my idol.

[00:31:10] Then his tribal council

[00:31:12] was going on and people

[00:31:13] were trying to convince him

[00:31:14] he was okay.

[00:31:15] I tweeted I don't care

[00:31:16] what anyone or everyone

[00:31:18] says play your idol.

[00:31:21] Now judging by the reach

[00:31:23] those two tweets got

[00:31:24] a lot of people agreed with me

[00:31:26] even as it was happening

[00:31:27] and before we knew the outcome.

[00:31:28] But Hunter himself sitting there

[00:31:30] at tribal council didn't do it.

[00:31:32] He explained his thought process

[00:31:34] in his interviews.

[00:31:35] I don't want to go through

[00:31:36] all of it because it's long.

[00:31:38] So I'll shorten it up

[00:31:40] for a summary here.

[00:31:41] Basically he knew

[00:31:43] they were splitting the votes

[00:31:45] and there were a few people

[00:31:47] outside that split

[00:31:48] so he tried to work with Q

[00:31:49] Liz and Venus.

[00:31:51] He knew the Seega Three

[00:31:53] were writing down his name

[00:31:54] he believed Kenzie

[00:31:56] and Tiffany and Venus

[00:31:57] were voting for Q.

[00:31:59] That left him Q and Liz

[00:32:01] to vote for Ben

[00:32:03] and tie it up

[00:32:04] or possibly Liz

[00:32:06] to vote for Q

[00:32:07] and keep him safe all together

[00:32:08] because you know

[00:32:09] she was so mad at Q

[00:32:11] as we discussed earlier.

[00:32:13] Tiffany was the biggest

[00:32:14] question mark for him

[00:32:15] but with the way

[00:32:16] she went after Q

[00:32:17] in that tribal council

[00:32:18] like you mentioned

[00:32:19] how mad she was

[00:32:21] and he said in his interviews

[00:32:22] it was much more than that even.

[00:32:24] Hunter was convinced

[00:32:26] or he convinced himself

[00:32:28] that she would indeed vote Q

[00:32:31] but she didn't.

[00:32:31] So as he told Mike Bloom

[00:32:33] I knew I was getting

[00:32:34] at least three votes

[00:32:35] but it was four

[00:32:36] and so that's what did it.

[00:32:39] Hunter Hunter Hunter

[00:32:44] let's let's break this down

[00:32:45] because there's so much

[00:32:47] to unpack there.

[00:32:49] First of all

[00:32:52] he's thinking

[00:32:54] okay I know what's going to happen

[00:32:56] but I want to use this

[00:32:57] and he says it during the episode

[00:32:59] he says I want to use this

[00:33:00] to my advantage

[00:33:01] I don't want to just use it

[00:33:02] to save myself

[00:33:03] I want to use it to

[00:33:04] to gain some allies right?

[00:33:06] So he goes

[00:33:07] to what he considers the bottom

[00:33:10] right to go for it

[00:33:11] because in his mind

[00:33:12] he's like if they're in the bottom

[00:33:13] they're going to come with me

[00:33:13] they're thirsty for allies

[00:33:17] not realizing

[00:33:19] or not being aware

[00:33:21] of their perception of themselves right?

[00:33:24] Because Q I could see

[00:33:26] maybe he's thinking

[00:33:27] okay I screwed up

[00:33:28] I better do something

[00:33:29] this is frustrating

[00:33:31] like I lost my previous agency there

[00:33:34] with like Q stealing my thunder

[00:33:37] but here comes Venus right?

[00:33:40] In Venus's mind

[00:33:41] there's no way she thinks

[00:33:43] it's at the bottom okay?

[00:33:45] Even if she knows

[00:33:46] she doesn't have a social game

[00:33:47] and she has nobody with her

[00:33:49] in her mind she's killing it okay?

[00:33:52] And I think that was

[00:33:53] the biggest mistake for Hunter

[00:33:56] and let's say

[00:33:57] that she would have been

[00:33:58] in the bottom in her mind

[00:34:00] which she wasn't

[00:34:01] let's say she was

[00:34:03] with Q and Liss right?

[00:34:05] You have to believe

[00:34:06] that if you tell them

[00:34:08] this is going to come out

[00:34:09] people are going to tell

[00:34:11] other people he's doing it

[00:34:13] because guess if I'm on the bottom

[00:34:15] if I'm Q and I know I'm in the bottom

[00:34:17] you better believe

[00:34:18] that I am going to try

[00:34:18] to use this as an alliance

[00:34:20] but I'll do anything possible

[00:34:22] to get out of the bottom

[00:34:23] even if that means me telling people

[00:34:25] that Hunter just told me

[00:34:26] he has an idol right?

[00:34:27] So if I'm Hunter

[00:34:29] you have to understand

[00:34:30] it's going to come out

[00:34:32] and you can use it later on

[00:34:34] if you survive to say hey

[00:34:36] you know I gave you this

[00:34:37] I trusted you whatever

[00:34:38] whether it comes out or not

[00:34:40] but then mistake number two

[00:34:42] number one was telling Venus right?

[00:34:44] And assuming that she's in the bottom

[00:34:46] when she's in her head not

[00:34:48] but then she goes

[00:34:49] and doesn't play the idol

[00:34:51] Yes

[00:34:52] So if you tell people

[00:34:53] you're going to play it

[00:34:55] you better believe

[00:34:56] you're going to have to play it

[00:34:58] and if you don't play it

[00:34:59] what happened could have happened

[00:35:01] and to his demise

[00:35:03] it was horrible

[00:35:04] he went home with an idol

[00:35:06] and I was so sad for him

[00:35:07] because he should have played it

[00:35:09] we also are coming from miles away

[00:35:11] from the beginning of the episode

[00:35:13] so lots of mistakes there

[00:35:15] he should have played it

[00:35:16] even if he got no votes

[00:35:19] just play it and survive one more week

[00:35:21] Exactly

[00:35:22] Jessica and I have said many times

[00:35:24] if you even have a hint

[00:35:25] that you might be targeted

[00:35:27] you play your idol

[00:35:30] He had a whole heck of a lot more than a hint

[00:35:32] he had a whole written book

[00:35:34] in front of him

[00:35:36] You cannot risk your entire game

[00:35:38] on the vote of one person

[00:35:39] when you have the means to save yourself

[00:35:41] Yeah

[00:35:44] Yeah

[00:35:44] and then another factor

[00:35:47] was brought up by Rob on Know It Alls

[00:35:49] Hunter talked in his interviews

[00:35:51] about having made fake idols

[00:35:54] plus he was probably the odds on favor

[00:35:57] to find any new idol

[00:35:59] that was put into the game

[00:36:01] both of these should have encouraged him

[00:36:03] to play his idol

[00:36:04] rather than gambling

[00:36:06] by holding onto it

[00:36:07] because he could have either found another one

[00:36:10] or pretended to find another one

[00:36:13] That's a good point

[00:36:15] that's a really, really good point

[00:36:18] at the end of the day

[00:36:19] he should have played it

[00:36:20] Now let me take a quick tangent there

[00:36:22] because it just came in my head

[00:36:25] although I alluded to this earlier

[00:36:27] Tiff said she was going to play the idol

[00:36:30] Right

[00:36:30] and she did not play it

[00:36:32] right

[00:36:33] and you could argue

[00:36:35] that okay Tiff did the same thing

[00:36:36] and she didn't play it

[00:36:37] right

[00:36:38] but the difference is

[00:36:41] actually there's not a whole lot of difference

[00:36:43] although maybe Tiff knew

[00:36:45] that what was happening a lot more sure

[00:36:48] She was actually in

[00:36:50] on the plans that were going on

[00:36:52] Yeah

[00:36:53] and I think that is something

[00:36:55] that you have to realize within the game

[00:36:57] Right

[00:36:57] like if you think

[00:36:59] if you feel comfortable

[00:37:00] okay great whatever

[00:37:01] you feel comfortable

[00:37:02] although I'm always thinking

[00:37:03] if you feel comfortable

[00:37:04] you probably end up going home

[00:37:05] but I truly, truly think

[00:37:08] he should have played it

[00:37:09] I wonder if Tiff not playing her idol

[00:37:13] put something in his mind

[00:37:14] think about it

[00:37:15] because he also thought

[00:37:16] Tiff was going to play it

[00:37:17] right

[00:37:18] so was he second guessing himself

[00:37:20] waiting for Tiff to like

[00:37:22] come on play yours

[00:37:23] play yours

[00:37:24] So I wonder if at that moment

[00:37:25] there's a little bit of him also

[00:37:27] like okay Tiff didn't play it

[00:37:28] so I guess I'm not playing mine either

[00:37:30] I wonder if that had anything to do

[00:37:32] in his mind or not

[00:37:33] I don't know

[00:37:35] but that was a big, big mistake

[00:37:36] of unfortunately he went home with it

[00:37:38] Yeah one another difference with Tiffany

[00:37:41] is that people had known about her idol

[00:37:43] since the previous tribal council

[00:37:45] Yeah

[00:37:45] So she was able to work with that

[00:37:47] she was able to put it in their minds

[00:37:49] I am playing it

[00:37:50] so they could play around her

[00:37:53] He came up with this at the last minute

[00:37:56] and didn't really give himself much time

[00:38:00] Yeah

[00:38:00] to do what she had done

[00:38:02] Now the other thing that was going on

[00:38:05] in tribal council itself

[00:38:07] was the people that he was relying on

[00:38:09] to tell him he was safe

[00:38:11] were the exact same people

[00:38:13] who under different circumstances

[00:38:15] would want him to burn his idol

[00:38:17] so he wouldn't be able to use it

[00:38:18] in the future

[00:38:19] Yeah

[00:38:20] If they're telling him not to play it

[00:38:23] that should have been a really big indication

[00:38:25] that something was up

[00:38:27] It's not very often that someone tells you

[00:38:30] oh no you're fine

[00:38:31] you don't need to play your idol

[00:38:33] unless you are super super tight allies

[00:38:36] because they have people who always want to

[00:38:38] flush idols out of the game

[00:38:40] Yeah

[00:38:40] You know he even asked Kenzie and Venus

[00:38:42] if it was a ruse

[00:38:43] because they knew he had an idol

[00:38:45] Hunter if you have to ask

[00:38:47] you have your answer

[00:38:48] The answer is yes

[00:38:49] No amount of reassurance from them

[00:38:51] should have meant anything

[00:38:53] And something happened after the challenge ended

[00:38:58] They showed a clip of Venus

[00:39:01] telling him something along the lines of

[00:39:03] Mr. Strategy or Strategy Master

[00:39:07] or Strategy Head

[00:39:08] whatever word he used

[00:39:10] I think that could have been

[00:39:11] a little bit of insights into

[00:39:13] okay Venus is overthinking it

[00:39:16] right because in his mind

[00:39:17] he knows he doesn't have the social strategy

[00:39:20] He knows it right

[00:39:21] that okay I'm lacking the social aspect

[00:39:24] but why is she thinking he's strategizing

[00:39:27] maybe he did something we haven't seen or talked about

[00:39:29] something we didn't see

[00:39:30] Because he voted for her

[00:39:31] She was mad because she believed

[00:39:35] that he had some master plan to vote her out

[00:39:37] when really his only plan was

[00:39:40] I mean he said it

[00:39:41] I voted for you because no one would be mad

[00:39:46] Yeah

[00:39:46] And then she was like well I was mad

[00:39:48] and he was like well you're always mad

[00:39:50] which you know not necessarily the greatest thing to say to her

[00:39:53] but from his viewpoint

[00:39:56] you know it's probably true

[00:39:59] and you know but the point is

[00:40:02] he didn't worry about making her mad

[00:40:05] He worried about making everyone else not mad

[00:40:08] and that's why he voted for her

[00:40:09] but she took it as a personal attack on her

[00:40:13] or rather not even just a personal attack

[00:40:15] a game attack on her

[00:40:17] like he and Tevin were trying to vote her out

[00:40:21] and he's like no that's not what was happening

[00:40:23] so that's why she called him

[00:40:24] Mr. Strategy or Strategy Mastermind or whatever

[00:40:28] But he chose to tell her out of everyone

[00:40:33] and that's where it's like

[00:40:34] you should have seen this is going to backfire

[00:40:37] especially with her

[00:40:38] It's a little sad

[00:40:39] Now let's say he plays it

[00:40:42] and I'm just assuming here

[00:40:44] but if he would have played it

[00:40:45] like maybe it could backfire

[00:40:48] when you don't tell people

[00:40:49] because then people are like

[00:40:50] You should have told me

[00:40:51] but he has no strong allies here

[00:40:54] Yeah we'll be getting to that shortly

[00:40:57] but I mean getting back to what you were saying

[00:41:02] Yes I understand trying to use an idol

[00:41:04] for more than just sticking around one vote

[00:41:07] I often don't agree with it

[00:41:08] because it backfires a lot

[00:41:09] but I understand it

[00:41:11] Even then it should be under different circumstances

[00:41:14] not this one

[00:41:16] and like you mentioned

[00:41:17] and he said in interviews

[00:41:18] He tried to develop new relationships and trust

[00:41:22] It was just too late in the day

[00:41:24] and you know

[00:41:25] Tribal Council was bearing down on them

[00:41:27] like a train with him standing on the tracks

[00:41:31] If there's a train coming at you

[00:41:33] You don't try to negotiate with the train

[00:41:35] You get off the tracks

[00:41:37] and then you worry about what's going to happen

[00:41:40] You know

[00:41:41] If he had survived another day

[00:41:44] Then he could have tried to bolster his relationships and trust

[00:41:48] or at least win immunity something

[00:41:51] but he did it in the reverse order

[00:41:53] He was like well I'm going to use this to try to bolster relationships

[00:41:57] and then he wasn't there for those to be bolstered

[00:42:00] Yeah

[00:42:01] I think I jumped through like four rules all in this conversation

[00:42:06] but clearly the idol one is like key

[00:42:09] I mean it's so sad

[00:42:10] This is actually what is this second person

[00:42:13] that goes home with an idol this season

[00:42:14] because Jem, Jungle Jem went with an idol too

[00:42:18] So I mean at least she was completely blindsided

[00:42:21] Yeah she was

[00:42:22] She had no idea although you could argue she should have played it too

[00:42:25] but she had no idea, right?

[00:42:27] Hunter had insights that

[00:42:29] Yes

[00:42:29] He knew you should have really really played it

[00:42:32] Yeah and he even said in his final words

[00:42:34] and then again in interviews

[00:42:35] that he got lulled into believing he would be okay

[00:42:39] As much as we can credit some of the others for lulling him

[00:42:44] It shouldn't have mattered how convincing they were

[00:42:46] He should have rejected everything they said

[00:42:49] But the will to believe is strong

[00:42:51] Yeah and if you tell them you're gonna play it

[00:42:54] Just play it

[00:42:55] Right

[00:42:55] Just survive one more day

[00:42:57] and tomorrow is a new beautiful day for new adventures

[00:43:00] maybe new idols

[00:43:01] And he went home

[00:43:03] He went home because of it

[00:43:05] Yes

[00:43:06] So all right now we can go back to our usual order

[00:43:11] and at the top

[00:43:13] Yeah our usual idol

[00:43:15] At the top is the first and most important rule

[00:43:17] which has the scheme implied

[00:43:19] Hunter was not a huge schemer

[00:43:21] which was something that he said caused early friction with Venus

[00:43:27] He just wasn't going to get too deep into it

[00:43:29] before they even had to worry about going to a tribal council

[00:43:32] Now of course that was somewhat easy for him to say

[00:43:35] because he already had tight allies

[00:43:37] There was the Andy Griffith alliance with Tevin

[00:43:39] and the Shelter Alliance that added Liz into it

[00:43:42] Plus he had some good relationships with Soda as well

[00:43:45] So it's easy for someone like him in a good spot to say

[00:43:48] Well I'm not going to worry about strategizing

[00:43:50] because you know he in effect he already did

[00:43:55] On top of that he emphasized it even further by telling us

[00:43:59] He was pretending not to be strategic

[00:44:01] So people would think he was just a friendly guy

[00:44:03] who was there for fun and adventure

[00:44:05] which you know that made sense in terms of trying to reduce his threat level

[00:44:10] And in that regard

[00:44:13] And he even said in his pregame interview to Mike Bloom

[00:44:20] I'll be fine being labeled as a kind of like a meathead

[00:44:23] Doesn't understand the strategy a whole lot

[00:44:25] Just go with the flow has a good time

[00:44:27] Wants to climb the coconut trees and build cool shelters

[00:44:30] That's what I want to be perceived as

[00:44:33] I think that what you just said it all sounds so good on paper

[00:44:39] However right like if you have to understand

[00:44:42] Your strengths and weaknesses

[00:44:44] And I think he knew maybe one of the weaknesses was

[00:44:48] And not that he wasn't social but on the weekend

[00:44:52] His social gain was not on point compared to all the social butterflies out there

[00:44:58] So if he knows he's going to be the shelter guy

[00:45:01] The guy that makes the beds

[00:45:03] Yeah guys that can do all the things at camp

[00:45:06] You have to utilize that to your advantage okay

[00:45:10] And I'm gonna go with crazy ideas

[00:45:12] But I truly think he could have done that more to gain allies

[00:45:16] For example we saw him doing the bed

[00:45:18] The comfy bed whether that worked or not I don't know

[00:45:21] And maybe he shared it with some other people

[00:45:24] It was small enough just for him right

[00:45:26] If you make something like that make two

[00:45:28] Give it to someone else

[00:45:30] Give it to Venus

[00:45:32] You know like yeah I'm not sure if he did or not

[00:45:36] And of course we'll be discussing you know

[00:45:38] The social gain more specifically in the fifth rule

[00:45:40] But I feel like I saw somewhere that he made more than one bed

[00:45:45] But I cannot absolutely confirm or you know one way or another

[00:45:50] I agree but in general I think the idea is

[00:45:53] Know your strengths and weaknesses

[00:45:55] If you know you're weak at something

[00:45:58] Make your strengths work for it right

[00:46:01] And I don't think we saw that right

[00:46:03] Like it actually kind of backfired him

[00:46:06] Which maybe it jumps to quickly a number two

[00:46:09] Which maybe he did it too much like or yeah

[00:46:13] He like didn't scheme so it's kind of hard to say

[00:46:15] Don't do it too much when he barely had any

[00:46:18] But just in general I think as a rule

[00:46:20] You should probably use your weaknesses and your strengths

[00:46:23] And use the strength to really help you with the social gain

[00:46:26] Which is so important in this game

[00:46:28] Right now when the merge came he was of course part of the six

[00:46:33] Which was also something he discussed in the pregame saying

[00:46:36] He knew he could be targeted after the merge

[00:46:38] So he wanted to get a larger group together

[00:46:40] To protect each other and take control

[00:46:43] Now I said in our pregame podcast that this was a good idea

[00:46:46] But we'll see how it works out

[00:46:48] And then I added because it seems like inevitably

[00:46:51] A group like that turns in on each other

[00:46:54] So basically I predicted the way the six would implode

[00:46:58] Now within that group though he was Titus with Tevin of course

[00:47:02] And fellow Mississippian Q who he thought he could work with

[00:47:07] From before the game before it even started

[00:47:11] Due to their shared home state

[00:47:13] He also told Mike Bloom that by default

[00:47:16] He thought he was working with Tiffany

[00:47:17] So they had a lot of trust as well

[00:47:20] And then we heard in interviews about how he reached out

[00:47:22] To make an ally out of Kenzie as well

[00:47:24] Which we'll talk about more in rule five

[00:47:26] But all of that was blown to hell when Q started his antics

[00:47:31] As Hunter told Mike he realized this guy can't take his foot off the gas

[00:47:35] Even for a second

[00:47:37] He can't chill out for a second

[00:47:40] There's so much in there

[00:47:42] Now I didn't hear that he was close with Tiff

[00:47:45] Is that what he said in one of the interviews?

[00:47:47] He said by default he was close because he was close with Q

[00:47:53] And Q's number one at the time was Tiffany

[00:47:56] He felt like he was close to her

[00:47:59] Very interesting

[00:48:00] Because that clearly doesn't come through at all

[00:48:02] Right and even with Kenzie

[00:48:06] Although you can see in tribal council though

[00:48:09] He's kind of talking to Kenzie there

[00:48:12] Are you in?

[00:48:13] So you can see there's something in there with Kenzie

[00:48:16] But with Tiff it wasn't clear at all

[00:48:21] But in terms of scheme uploading

[00:48:24] I'm trying to think here what he could have done

[00:48:27] I think maybe utilizing the idol possibly with Tevin

[00:48:31] If you, Tevin is your closest ally

[00:48:35] And I understand that maybe if it's later in the game

[00:48:38] You keep it for yourself

[00:48:40] But like last week with Tevin there's still a lot of people there

[00:48:45] Would you consider saving Tevin if you knew what was happening

[00:48:48] Although he wasn't out on the vote

[00:48:50] So maybe he can claim he knew but maybe he didn't know

[00:48:54] Yeah he has now

[00:48:56] I thought he didn't do it because he didn't really know what was happening

[00:48:59] He has now said he did know what was probably happening

[00:49:04] Rob has also said it may have been good for him to save Tevin

[00:49:08] I don't know

[00:49:09] Saving an ally that early

[00:49:11] I mean if Jessica were here who was obviously saved by an ally early in the game with an idol

[00:49:18] She might have further thoughts on that but

[00:49:20] It's difficult to say because

[00:49:22] It's difficult

[00:49:23] But at the same time if you know you don't have anybody else right

[00:49:28] Because we didn't see anything with Kenzie and Tiffany

[00:49:31] Now it's easy to say afterwards but we didn't see any of that

[00:49:35] If you really know you don't have allies

[00:49:37] Maybe you use it early enough to save your ally

[00:49:40] And that's the biggest trust there possibly

[00:49:43] And that's the question is when did everything blow up

[00:49:46] Because Hunter told Mike Bloom

[00:49:49] Q did a lot of damage to my game just in this sporadic gameplay

[00:49:53] Now just so people know for what it's worth

[00:49:55] He used the word sporadic a lot in interviews but I think he meant erratic

[00:50:00] Because sporadic doesn't really fit in that

[00:50:03] But anyway I'm not trying to look for a reason to criticize him

[00:50:07] I'm just in case you're wondering sporadic

[00:50:09] I think he meant erratic

[00:50:11] Anyway he talked about Q telling him that Tiffany wanted to save her ally

[00:50:17] Tiffany wanted him out and then told Tiffany that Hunter wanted her out

[00:50:21] And at that time Tiffany believed Q so that turned her and Kenzie against him

[00:50:27] And then Liz of course voted out their common tight ally Tevin

[00:50:31] Venus never liked him

[00:50:33] And so as he said so who am I supposed to work with?

[00:50:38] I don't know exactly the order all those things happened

[00:50:40] It was such a big cluster that

[00:50:44] I do think that it happened after the Tevin vote

[00:50:51] So he wouldn't have known that his whole game was about to get blown up with Tevin necessarily

[00:50:57] He knew part of it was

[00:50:59] I don't think he realized his entire game was getting blown up thanks to every hurricane Q

[00:51:06] Yeah yeah I don't it's hard to say

[00:51:09] We didn't see a whole lot of scheming and plotting from him

[00:51:12] Now I will say people were working against Hunter this week

[00:51:17] There was a great scene I loved of Ben, Maria and Charlie

[00:51:20] Talking about taking out Hunter while Hunter was standing like 20 feet behind him

[00:51:25] Now in the moment I was pretty sure he had not heard them

[00:51:29] But as I said on Twitter sometimes you don't have to actually hear to be able to see

[00:51:33] What's happening and Hunter confirmed that in his interview saying that when he saw them

[00:51:38] whispering he knew logically what they were going to be doing and that was coming after him

[00:51:43] And that was when he tried his scramble to get the other people

[00:51:49] perceived as being on the bottom to work with him which of course we've already talked about

[00:51:53] and didn't work

[00:51:54] But he still didn't play the idol

[00:51:59] Yes yes point taken

[00:52:03] All right well we can move to the second rule which says not to scheme and plot too

[00:52:06] much to keep your scheming secret and you kind of alluded to this earlier

[00:52:10] I don't think Hunter really had any problem with the first part of the rule

[00:52:15] Of don't scheme and plot too much

[00:52:18] You know he purposely didn't talk too much strategy early on

[00:52:22] And he expanded on this in interviews saying he saw no reason to give ammunition to Venus

[00:52:28] Who kept trying to talk strategy with him when they weren't going to a tribal council

[00:52:32] He knew what she was trying to do and he wasn't going to fall for it by scheming too much

[00:52:39] Let's put that into context now with what we know happens

[00:52:43] If he probably would have done that back at their tribe

[00:52:48] Let her talk say yes to everything right

[00:52:52] Like that maybe maybe letting her say yes to everything is he knew

[00:52:55] And we've seen it with her

[00:52:58] Let's say that he had said to her

[00:53:00] Yes I agree with you

[00:53:03] Tevin is running this tribe

[00:53:05] Liz is running this tribe

[00:53:06] So does whatever he said whatever she said at any given moment

[00:53:10] If he agreed she was going to run back to those people

[00:53:13] I had employees like this okay when I was a manager

[00:53:18] I had and it was funny because it was before I was even officially a manager

[00:53:22] The announcement had gone out that I was hired

[00:53:25] To manage this other section that I worked with a lot but wasn't in

[00:53:29] So I knew the people but I was still moving

[00:53:31] And one of them runs to me and says well this is what I think about this person

[00:53:40] That that that that that and me not knowing any better

[00:53:43] Just kind of nodded along and said okay okay okay

[00:53:47] Well she took nodding as agreement ran back and told that person

[00:53:51] David thinks you're this and this and this and this

[00:53:54] Now I after you know only once or twice of that learned

[00:53:59] No you don't even agree you show no nodding no nothing with that

[00:54:03] And that's the way Hunter viewed Venus

[00:54:07] I understand that but let me be devil's advocate there right

[00:54:11] Because she you can tell I think he Hunter can tell

[00:54:16] He can tell there's an ego there right

[00:54:19] And feed to that to your point nod yes I'm listening

[00:54:24] You want to strategize okay I'm listening

[00:54:27] I think she's showing the true colors to Tevin

[00:54:30] At that point when that happened Tevin and Soda were already

[00:54:33] Especially Tevin he was already like I cannot stand this girl

[00:54:36] So you go separate and you tell them she is full of crap

[00:54:41] And in all honesty I think she's going to show you through colors

[00:54:44] We'll see who's right or wrong

[00:54:46] Did she say it or did I say it right

[00:54:49] And I truly think he could have done something with that

[00:54:52] Now fast forward it's like I'm putting my entire game in her

[00:54:57] Hands we are telling her I have an idol and of course

[00:55:00] It's a little too late and so it's one of those were

[00:55:04] Like maybe he didn't scheme enough with her early

[00:55:07] In some ways to help him in this situation that just happened

[00:55:11] And that's part of the reason he ends up going home with the idol as well

[00:55:15] So yeah I mean it's it's it's so hard to say

[00:55:18] Because from his viewpoint I don't think he felt

[00:55:22] And we always say never count anyone completely out

[00:55:26] Agree agree

[00:55:27] But from his viewpoint he just didn't want to get into it

[00:55:30] And wanted to play the you know it also by scheming with her

[00:55:33] It would have given away that well he schemed

[00:55:37] But you know now he did not overdo it in this regard

[00:55:44] As you just said if anything he under did it

[00:55:47] But we discussed a bit already about how his allies certainly did

[00:55:50] He talked in interviews about how almost everyone he wanted to play the game with

[00:55:54] Were going after each other as he said to Rob

[00:55:57] Where did I go wrong with the people I tried to work with

[00:56:02] And that you know goes back to what we were saying

[00:56:04] It was all it was turned on your ally day you know

[00:56:06] And every day in the season is turned on

[00:56:10] Yeah he came and the scheming if you call that might all a scheming clearly

[00:56:15] He didn't keep it a secret so it's like if you're gonna do something with a keep it a secret legit

[00:56:20] Right well and that's exactly it

[00:56:22] And that's the part of this rule that was a problem because

[00:56:25] Everybody knew who his allies were everybody knew what his relationships were

[00:56:29] They knew how close he was to Tevin they knew he was in the six

[00:56:32] They knew he and Venus were at odds with one another

[00:56:35] They knew he had essentially he had essentially nobody after the last vote

[00:56:40] All of that worked against him when he tried to save each other

[00:56:43] Because people could look at the scorecard and be like oh okay here's where Hunter is

[00:56:51] These first two he's on the weak side for them for sure

[00:56:56] All right well we can move to the third rule which tells players to be flexible

[00:57:00] Now we saw from his performance and challenges that he was physically flexible

[00:57:03] I was gonna say that we saw physically he like bent backwards so he clearly is flexible

[00:57:10] No pun intended there

[00:57:12] From the from the game perspective how did you think Hunter did here?

[00:57:17] All right so I think he tried to be flexible a little too late really for him

[00:57:25] I think the social and I alluded to that earlier the social

[00:57:30] The lack of social connections and maybe he knew he just didn't have that

[00:57:37] Makes you have to be more flexible but if you know my husband always stuck how his favorite

[00:57:43] moment of the whole season so far was when Tevin and Soda were like singing

[00:57:49] And they can show him like going oh he was so annoyed by the whole situation which

[00:57:54] Maybe talks a little bit about the next rule about emotions too

[00:57:57] But it's one of those where like I get the fact you're not the social butterfly

[00:58:02] You don't like to sing that's annoying the heck out of you and guess what

[00:58:06] Play to that play I mean you don't have to sing be there smile like you are enjoying the thing

[00:58:12] Or at least listen to them that's what flexible is adjusting to the situations

[00:58:16] And I clearly can tell that he was outside of the comfort zone with a lot of that so

[00:58:22] Even if you're not a social butterfly at the very least listen to them

[00:58:26] Because you will learn what they like or do not like

[00:58:28] And you can use that with them later on right

[00:58:31] So I think he wasn't at least at camp it was all too strict about making the shelter

[00:58:37] When sometimes you gotta pause and understand what takes the other people

[00:58:42] Because that's so important for the social game

[00:58:45] And if you understand what makes them happy what are the things they want to talk

[00:58:49] You better believe you're gonna have to try to work and talk about those things

[00:58:53] All the time because it's not about you it's about the perception of other people about you

[00:58:59] And he did not do any of that so I can tell that I don't think he was flexible in that aspect

[00:59:06] Clearly we talked plenty about Venus how he didn't try to work with her early on

[00:59:13] So just in general I really think he could have been a lot more flexible with his

[00:59:17] Social aspects right and I don't want to jump because on the whole

[00:59:24] Doing too much with other things because that's gonna play out in some of the other rules

[00:59:27] But that's gonna come that's gonna come

[00:59:31] I would say he was a little bit better than you are I mean they had the whole Andy

[00:59:35] Griffith alliance which could only come up if they were talking about like tv shows they like to watch

[00:59:41] He said I believe I don't have a specific note on this but I believe he had said in his mid-season

[00:59:49] Interview with Dalton Ross that yes he knows they showed him being annoyed

[00:59:53] But sometimes he did join in or he at least you know but like you said there were at least times

[00:59:58] When yeah they were he was annoyed enough that they could show it on tv you know or if not annoyed

[01:00:04] Just like come on you know so so yeah now in the first episode he made me cheer when he said

[01:00:15] He knew he needed to be flexible and he did have multiple allies within his starting tribe

[01:00:21] And then he got into the six and had even more allies and all of that was good

[01:00:26] Until it wasn't good because all of his flexibility that he did make strategically came crashing down

[01:00:33] So props to him for trying something and reaching out to Venus Q and Liz at the end

[01:00:41] He was trying to seem a little too late yes it was it was too little too late exactly

[01:00:46] And you could argue on the opposite side where he voted for Venus and he still tried to work with

[01:00:51] her which speaks a lot about okay I'm trying here right it was just a little too late a little

[01:00:57] Too late yeah all right well the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control

[01:01:02] Them did you see anything in Hunter's game that was particularly good or bad in relation

[01:01:07] To it looked in general it looked like he was pretty composed at camp what strikes me a little

[01:01:15] Bit is oh I don't know have you seen the memes and all the pictures about him at tribal council

[01:01:21] How he's making he's like sleeping or too shocked or whatever so while I like to think that

[01:01:28] It didn't come across as like being emotional in a vocal way I feel like you can read his

[01:01:34] Emotions at tribal council all the way in his face so now I don't know if people notice that

[01:01:40] Because you're kind of looking forward so maybe not necessarily like obvious for everyone but

[01:01:46] The viewers but I think that may have been the one thing that stuck out of me like his emotions

[01:01:51] Are just coming out of his face he couldn't avoid just being like either a more yeah when

[01:01:57] He was like when he was like dumbest thing ever I made a gif out of that I've used it once

[01:02:02] So far but I do think you're right if Venus had looked over and seen him like that then she

[01:02:11] Might have realized no this wasn't some master plan he was resigned to the fact that Tevin was

[01:02:17] Going and was just sick about it yeah but like he had immunity right and people don't look

[01:02:25] Around to that extent he was all the way over to the side there as I recall

[01:02:31] So yeah and and I applaud him for trying to overcome his feelings about Venus and Q in this

[01:02:38] Episode by reaching out to work with them you know like you mentioned I also want to go back

[01:02:43] To our discussion of the seventh rule because I think he allowed his emotions to dictate his

[01:02:48] Actions when it came to his idol because he wanted to believe Kenzie and the others

[01:02:55] Good point you know and as I said the will to believe was strong that was pure emotion not

[01:03:01] Logic he could say now well I thought that Tiffany would vote this and da da da da

[01:03:06] That was all emotion he wanted to hold on to that idol yeah and and he said in the

[01:03:12] Interviews that post interviews after he got voted out that he thought he was coming in

[01:03:18] Thinking he's gonna play the idol right and then convinced himself he says other people

[01:03:22] Convinced him I say he convinced himself yeah I think and your emotions have a lot to do

[01:03:28] In that moment and whether you felt comfortable uncomfortable whatever it may have been clearly

[01:03:34] The emotions took over the decision which led him to go home with an idol in his pocket

[01:03:40] In full agreement with you that like he just couldn't control it there and can I can I can

[01:03:46] I take a tangent because we talked about sitting at survivor at tribal council and it's I truly

[01:03:51] Truly think as a fan and now as a player even a contestant myself I truly think there's

[01:03:58] A disadvantage wherever you sit at tribal council like if you are in a corner is very

[01:04:03] Or in the front corner it's very hard for you to see the people farther in the back and

[01:04:08] The people in the back have a bit of an easier view you have to be so aware of what's happening

[01:04:15] And the people in front can't see the person behind you could be making faces while you're

[01:04:19] Talking and then left unless Jeff calls them out you're never gonna know yeah so I mean

[01:04:24] I do know they they switch over I mean I know this they switch around right but I truly

[01:04:30] Think like if you're in the front you're like dang it I really don't want to be in the front

[01:04:34] Or in the back kind of thing so and you might be more on camera because you're in the front who cares

[01:04:39] I want to win the game put me in the back so it's one of those where I mean I think he was

[01:04:44] Fairly close to the to the side in this one and the previous one which is where we can see

[01:04:50] All the crazy expressions as a viewer give me more I love that I love seeing the expressions

[01:04:57] But if you're there you gotta be very aware that people could see this right and and that

[01:05:03] Was very visible for us at least yeah even as he was debating in his you know in his mind

[01:05:09] Whether or not to play the idol at the last minute when Jeff called for it yeah you know

[01:05:13] They cut to pictures of Venus and Tiffany who both had little little grins on their face now

[01:05:19] Were those in context who knows but if they were you know and he should have been looking

[01:05:26] At them to see okay what are they what are they doing right now you know um

[01:05:32] So yeah all right well we can move to the fifth rule which reminds players they need

[01:05:37] To pretend to be nice and play the social game I now I know you mentioned the social

[01:05:42] Game earlier but I think everyone truly did like Hunter in the game except maybe Venus

[01:05:49] And he was able to use those relationships to create those early allies I think that's how

[01:05:55] He got together with Tevin that's how they got together with Liz um and so some of that did work

[01:06:03] Out until two things happened one everything fell apart and thanks largely to Q as we've

[01:06:10] Discussed and two he was identified as a huge threat which we'll talk about in the next and

[01:06:16] The next one I can't wait for that one yeah uh but with those two things in play

[01:06:21] The others wisely basically overcame whatever good feelings they had for him you know we saw it

[01:06:28] After they voted him out he was gathering his stuff so many of them told him oh we love you

[01:06:33] Uh you rock etc to the point that it kind of annoyed him and he said it's kind of hard

[01:06:40] To take all that right after y'all voted my name like that but it was true I think they did

[01:06:46] Like him but they didn't like him enough to save his game was it true though like I feel like do

[01:06:52] They feel committed to just save that at the end they did the same to soda right like oh

[01:06:56] But they did like soda too I mean yeah and that was a similar situation they liked her

[01:07:01] But they had reasons for wanting her out I think people probably did like Hunter

[01:07:08] Fun to be around yeah it just wasn't enough to keep him yeah well I mean there is an

[01:07:15] Aspect of liking someone like this person is fun I like his story whatever it may be

[01:07:22] I later saw how he got on the show apparently because one of the students posted him I didn't

[01:07:26] Know that um so I think there's a line there that to be liked but that doesn't mean you're

[01:07:32] An ally right exactly so it's the social it's the being nice compared to the social game

[01:07:39] Yes right so I think he was on the he was at least pretending to be nice I do think he's nice

[01:07:46] Although I don't know him but I do think he's nice it was the part of playing the social game

[01:07:51] That he lacked because I don't think he was the playing the social game he was just being

[01:07:57] Himself and people really liked him for himself that doesn't mean he was playing that

[01:08:02] For the game and that's the part that I think he lacked so there's a little bit to me

[01:08:06] I see there's a little bit of two parts to this one where liking nice yes playing the game with

[01:08:12] That not for him right and I think that's the part he probably lacked which is why we saw no

[01:08:18] No true connections or allies besides the Tevin with him and I felt Tevin was closer with Soda

[01:08:24] Than before then um but then when Soda goes home it kind of gives him this door to be

[01:08:31] Tevin and Hunter and clearly you saw Tevin going so then he has nobody so goes back a little bit

[01:08:37] To being flexible as well right but I don't think he had the social game down at all and he

[01:08:42] He talks he talked about it even pre-game right how right now may be a tough one and he clearly

[01:08:47] You can tell that there wasn't a whole lot of game connection there yeah and I think Kenzie

[01:08:53] You know who we talked about a little earlier is a good example of this because although it

[01:08:57] Wasn't highlighted on the show he talked in interviews that he spent a lot of time with her

[01:09:02] Chatting about life and family helping her with her flower crown uh showing her his secret room in

[01:09:09] A tree uh collecting seashells etc still all of that came crashing down in part for the reasons

[01:09:17] We've already discussed which is q and of course the reason we're about to discuss in a moment

[01:09:23] Yeah I would argue like because Kenzie wasn't I mean how long he's known Kenzie now days

[01:09:31] Yeah a couple days yeah so it's very hard to say that they are my true ally and trust in them

[01:09:37] When you barely know them even if you know their life story now there are

[01:09:42] There's certainly connections that you make with people very quickly

[01:09:45] And you literally live with them. Come on you know it's a new era two days is like two weeks in old time

[01:09:50] I get that right like there it does there's a lot to happen in there but you also have to

[01:09:55] Understand in the new era almost every day there's something happening right the downtime

[01:10:00] Where you connect more is yes and I feel like earlier in the game there's a little bit more

[01:10:06] Downtime especially if you don't go to tribal council as much which he didn't so there's a

[01:10:11] Little more time for him to bond with the orange tribe which he didn't seem to have

[01:10:16] As much right as other people so I think just for him to say yeah I want to be with Kenzie or like

[01:10:22] I did a lot with Kenzie yeah you did it for three days and four days maybe and out of those

[01:10:27] Four days you probably had to do a challenge a tribal council and everyone is so busy between

[01:10:32] Food and confessionals and all of that right so there's not a whole lot of time

[01:10:36] Anyway so I'm just saying in general I truly think that maybe Liz he should have

[01:10:40] Connected more with Liz and Venus I think we talked a lot about Venus already

[01:10:47] All right well we could go to the sixth rule which warns against being too much of a threat

[01:10:52] I don't know do you think it may have slightly played a little bit of a role here

[01:10:58] This was this to me this one was worse than the idol I think this is the one he went home

[01:11:05] More than just going home with the idol truly okay so let's just you want to you talk about

[01:11:12] What it was don't be too much right I mean it was yeah you know everyone was talking about

[01:11:17] Hunter before they even got to the merge because of the way he took a lead role in helping Nami

[01:11:22] Dominate the challenges and then he continued in the early merge challenges showing he wasn't

[01:11:26] Only physical but could do puzzles too not to mention hanging on a pole for longer than

[01:11:31] Anyone else and then hanging upside down after he'd already won now he explained in his interviews

[01:11:38] That he wasn't trying to show off he was just having fun and wanted to see if it could be done

[01:11:42] Of course the answer is if it couldn't be done you were going to end up on your head but

[01:11:46] You know aside from that um it wasn't until later that he realized what a big oops moment

[01:11:52] It was as he told Dalton Ross I did not realize the level to which everyone thought

[01:11:57] I was showboating but maybe I shouldn't have done that yeah Hunter maybe uh you know this

[01:12:04] Comes back to something that has been discussed on this podcast many times this season already

[01:12:09] Which is perspective from his viewpoint he was just having fun but to everyone else who had

[01:12:17] Just lost this challenge he was highlighting what a huge threat he was and players need

[01:12:22] To consider how all of their actions will be viewed by everyone else

[01:12:30] All right let's dig in how to start on this one because there's so much so first of all if you

[01:12:38] Physically are very fit and a navel guy and tall guy right I don't care what race what whatever

[01:12:45] Right I'm talking just physically you look like a fit guy you probably should know that as soon

[01:12:52] As you merge you people are going to want to get you out like let's just assume because when it

[01:12:58] Comes to individual competitions if I am tiny Heidi who I find myself pretty athletic at my age

[01:13:07] And all of that I see these guys and the first thing in my head it's like I gotta get rid

[01:13:11] Of the big guys who may win beat me at some of the competitions right so that's one thing

[01:13:15] That has to cross your mind so if you're hunter and that is perhaps one of his strengths right

[01:13:22] And he talks about his strengths it's like you know being able to do the camp things and being

[01:13:27] You know so able to certain things you have to underplay that to not be too too obvious

[01:13:35] And I think instead of underplaying that he overplayed it so even like if you're

[01:13:40] Gonna be like just here maybe not under over fine maybe you can get away with it

[01:13:45] But he overplayed it and that clearly was a no-no and me and I tweeted about it too I was like

[01:13:53] There's no way this is a winning strategy for him when he's clearly saying things doing things

[01:13:59] So so I want to point something out I don't know if you notice this if you look at your

[01:14:03] poster of rule six there is a guy there is a guy climbing the tree yes oh my god so every time I

[01:14:15] See it I think of hunter now when they were playing when they were playing hide and seek

[01:14:20] And he decided to be in there and I'm gonna show everyone I can climb the tree even though

[01:14:25] I'm sure he didn't think of that okay I really think he did it very innocent but you have to

[01:14:30] Understand and they talk about it how I'm just doing this for strategy you have to understand

[01:14:37] These moments are critical for how people perceive you so he's showing all his cards right at that

[01:14:43] Moment he didn't even have to say anything he just climbed the tree and literally stuck there

[01:14:47] When everyone was like back at the camp so that was that was one of those who's like

[01:14:52] What are you doing like it's fun as a viewer I freaking loved it I'm sure a lot of us did

[01:14:59] Because it's very entertaining but as a game play and strategy he was doing it too too much

[01:15:07] That's just one of them yeah and yeah there was even in this very episode when you know he

[01:15:13] Told Dalton Ross it wasn't shown but he was helping Charlie in an earlier challenge stage

[01:15:19] And then told him when he told himself when he got back to camp you've got to stop

[01:15:23] You've got to stop going over and and beyond in all these challenges because it's making it

[01:15:28] Harder and harder for you and making people want to work with you less and less now of course

[01:15:34] That was both too little and too late by that point because he'd already lost immunity

[01:15:39] I mean I guess it wouldn't have been too late if he had played his idol but

[01:15:45] You know still uh you know but as he continued with Dalton I love the challenges so much I

[01:15:51] Love getting to play them they're just like games from when I was a kid and that is a flaw

[01:15:55] In my game yeah and and I actually think you can see it like because he finished remember

[01:16:01] He finished the bridge and Jeff was like well if you want to go help right you're gonna have to

[01:16:06] Go back and then so you can kind of see that he went back and try to help his tribe to win

[01:16:11] Which I get that now there's a little bit of the helping part it didn't bother me as much

[01:16:16] What bothered me was the hunter with the hunty or whatever the wording was

[01:16:20] The hunter and the hunted yes I was like well that could be taken in a lot of different contexts

[01:16:27] You have to be very aware with the little you know the little things right so

[01:16:34] Yeah I just didn't like it I truly think that was a little bit of showing off and again

[01:16:39] I truly think he didn't do it on purpose but you have to be very aware that once again

[01:16:44] Your strengths are here you cannot make it even bigger than what it is because and everyone

[01:16:51] Talked about how he was killing all the challenges and I get that the orange tribe

[01:16:56] Was very strong at the challenges but it doesn't take one it takes all of them so if you have a

[01:17:01] Weak link it will show up right right but it does but there were many times well many there

[01:17:05] Were at least a few times which there were only a few challenges you know where they were behind

[01:17:11] Until it got to hunter you know at one point Tevin was sitting on the sidelines for them

[01:17:16] And even said you get those balls into hunters hands and it's over

[01:17:20] And it was true they were behind hunter got it boom basket basket basket you were done

[01:17:24] But at the same time though like when you are individual if you look at the individuals he's

[01:17:29] Only one one I get that he's been far you know every single one of them but you had Maria

[01:17:34] And you have Charlie right so I do and then you have Kenzie right so there's a little variety

[01:17:39] In the individual ones but he's clearly been a threat by all the things he's showing everyone

[01:17:46] Whether it was in the team challenge or now especially when he wins last week

[01:17:53] And then he bends backwards it's like oh I'm not only gonna show you that I just want

[01:17:57] You know immunity but oh by the way I get and I know he talked about

[01:18:01] How he was just testing the waters right like oh if you lock your legs you can do this

[01:18:07] But to me that is a showboat kind of situation right again it yeah that goes back to the

[01:18:13] Perception thing think about how other people are seeing it yeah and you know there's another

[01:18:18] Thing from this episode that hunter brought up he told Mike Bloom that again it didn't really

[01:18:24] Register for him at the time the other players were actively rooting for him to fall off the

[01:18:29] Final part of the challenge so Charlie would win you got to take that as a big hint and but

[01:18:36] It didn't occur to him in the moment it's like no they're literally rooting against you

[01:18:40] Yeah yeah and I think at some point I read from him also saying I he knew that was going

[01:18:46] To be one of those things that were going to be hard for him to overcome because he is a

[01:18:50] Physical guy that loves the camp and loves to do all of that right so if you know that

[01:18:55] You have to understand how that's been perceived perceived to your point right like okay

[01:19:01] Everyone is cheering for him does that mean like when it comes time to you know vote someone out

[01:19:08] Do they see me as a threat possibly does it mean I better play my idol because I've lost

[01:19:13] The dignity here yes exactly all these circles back but you know also I want speaking of

[01:19:19] Circling back I want to go back because I used Kenzie as an example in the fifth rule about

[01:19:24] Someone hunter had gotten close to but even she said everyone wants hunter gone because let's

[01:19:30] Be real hunter has dominated everything here yeah which incidentally goes back to what I said

[01:19:37] Very early about you know I think it was clear that there was an overall planned vote split

[01:19:42] That she was well aware of heading into tribal council because she did want him out in part

[01:19:48] At least for this reason his threat level just overshadowed so much of his game like you said

[01:19:57] You know I mean it wasn't directly more important than playing the idol but it caused a big part of

[01:20:04] Why he needed to play the idol and he should have known that yes yes I mean I don't I have

[01:20:11] No argument against that right 100 did too much definitely made himself a bigger threat

[01:20:20] He already was was it entertaining though 1000% entertaining and likeable I love the dude

[01:20:29] I truly think he could be one of those guys that come back and knows now that he made those

[01:20:36] Mistakes and could win it all later on the problem is everyone else will know that oh why

[01:20:41] Is he not doing well you know he'd have to pull a Tyson and be like oh I injured my shoulder

[01:20:46] Hey it worked for Tyson Tyson won you know so you know I truly think if he goes back he will need

[01:20:54] I think everyone will meet a different strategy in general right but I truly

[01:20:58] Think he has a lot of potential to be one of the great ones unfortunately definitely

[01:21:03] Fell short did a little too much yeah all right well we can go to appendix a which

[01:21:09] Is about the players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and we talk about voting

[01:21:13] The weak than the strong than the weak than the strong we're still at the point in the game where

[01:21:17] Players should be targeting strong threats and well we just discussed the strongest threat

[01:21:23] If someone like him is going to give you the opportunity to vote him out

[01:21:29] You as a fellow player have to take it I don't care if Q is driving you crazy

[01:21:35] I don't care if you don't like someone else I don't care if you love hunter

[01:21:39] If he loses immunity you know he has an idol and might not play it you have to do everything

[01:21:45] You can to get him to believe he's safe even if it seems crazy to you that he wouldn't play it

[01:21:53] Yes I can have no argument against that I totally agree agree agreed oh yeah now one

[01:22:02] Question that has come up is how much of a plan this all was and you know I had alluded

[01:22:07] To it earlier Rob started out the post game podcast by discussing whether it was a vote

[01:22:12] Split or just confusion and he followed up on know it all's saying he doesn't believe

[01:22:18] It was a vote split but that some people were in on it and some weren't from what I have seen

[01:22:22] And heard and pieced together I think almost everyone knew where almost everyone was voting

[01:22:29] And those voting for Q were doing so in case hunter played his idol as he should have except

[01:22:35] Maybe for Liz who was seemingly out of the loop and just really really wanted Q gone

[01:22:41] So the others worked around her and with that knowledge so this week I agree with Stephen

[01:22:49] Last week I agreed with Rob this week I agree with Stephen it was a vote split

[01:22:55] Hunter even knew it was something of a vote split because he explained in interviews that

[01:22:59] Was fairly well known where each person stood in that split he just thought he'd outsmarted the

[01:23:05] System when he had oh he went home with an idol he is yes okay

[01:23:14] Oh that's so sad even if he didn't know David if he didn't know let's say let's pretend he

[01:23:21] Knew nothing about the split if you do know tiff is saying she has an idol you have to

[01:23:27] Assume there's a split somewhere I think he'd have been better off not knowing there was a split

[01:23:33] I think if he did not know where every vote or believe he knew where every vote was going

[01:23:39] He would have played it but because he sat there and did the math

[01:23:44] And he was convinced of how the votes were going to go

[01:23:49] I think that's why he didn't play it he he outsmarted himself

[01:23:52] What kind of teacher is he do you know is he a math teacher

[01:23:55] Science science close to math yeah it uses math but it also doesn't have very

[01:24:02] You know people as variables you know a chemical that you know you're an engineer too you know

[01:24:08] It's you know it all works together and it goes a certain way so you know a chemical

[01:24:14] Doesn't just change its mind about how to react a chemical doesn't try to fool you

[01:24:20] Into thinking that you know I mean if you mix certain metals you're going to get steel

[01:24:25] Of a certain strength you know depending on how you heat it and cool it and everything of course

[01:24:30] but you know the the steel isn't going to be like haha i'm going to make them think that

[01:24:37] I'm this strong but i'm really going to bend you know oh i'm really gonna miss him

[01:24:45] I really really am gonna miss him I it's so crazy to think that we love him so much as a

[01:24:51] Contestant yet he doesn't have the social game behind it to support him so great great

[01:24:59] Great person to watch not so great for the strategy yeah all right well I do want to

[01:25:04] Address appendix b which is about the jury phase and the main issue here with hunter

[01:25:10] Is not wanting to allow him to progress in the game to the point that

[01:25:15] He could end up in final three because nobody wanted to face him in front of the jury now

[01:25:20] Someone might wonder why if he wasn't doing that much successful strategizing

[01:25:25] It would seem like oh he wouldn't be a likely winner but

[01:25:29] People did seem to like him whether it you know went into the

[01:25:33] You know the so the the game aspect people did like him and voting at the end that does impact it

[01:25:40] I you know some people think it's like 90 percent of the reason I don't but people did like him

[01:25:48] And managing to get to the end against all odds is a compelling case just ask mike and ben

[01:25:56] Uh you know q even mentioned that hunter couldn't just win challenges to get to the

[01:26:01] End but if he did get to the end people would vote for him yeah and if you think about

[01:26:06] The jury well first of all if he would have played the idol he would have played it right

[01:26:12] All right, which is a huge one a huge story for the end

[01:26:17] And right now the two people sitting in the jury were his besties right so it would have been

[01:26:24] Huge for him he made the biggest mistake and now he gets to join his friends and just have

[01:26:29] A ball watching everyone else playing the game yeah all right well it is about time to wrap

[01:26:35] Things up for hunter so what are your final thoughts on him ah well in general and I said

[01:26:41] It and i'm gonna repeat it a little bit I really like him as a person just from the things I saw

[01:26:46] In the show um he was very entertaining very fun to watch strategy-wise I think um he could

[01:26:54] Have done a lot better especially with the social game and under playing some of those

[01:26:59] Trends that we know he had I wish I could actually see him more in the challenges he was

[01:27:05] So fun I heard that he was um doing like some of these obstacles in his backyard and we only

[01:27:11] Got to see a tiny little bit of of individual uh competitions for him so I will miss him

[01:27:17] At the same time there's a lot of great characters in this season 46 and I feel

[01:27:25] Like he could be just building up from here which is crazy to think about but everything

[01:27:31] That's they're giving me the tiff being mad q being wild list trying to play the game

[01:27:38] Kenzie trying to break with tiff you know there's a ton Venus being Venus right there's a ton of

[01:27:45] Great great aspects of this game that are still yet to come and I don't even know what they

[01:27:51] Are but I cannot wait to see the next few weeks and see how everything unfolds I'm excited

[01:27:57] For this one yeah well as I mentioned earlier Hunter said in his final words that he had

[01:28:02] Convinced himself that he was playing his idol going into tribal council but was lulled

[01:28:07] Into his own doom he says he was lulled I say he's lulled himself he snow wanted to believe

[01:28:15] That he could keep his idol that he fell into a trap which he should have seen a mile away

[01:28:21] That trap was set because of the position he found himself in he was in a great spot pre-merge

[01:28:25] And thought that was continuing into the merge until Nami blew itself up and Q blew up the six

[01:28:33] And pretty much every other association Hunter had going on of course it can't all be blamed

[01:28:39] On Q because Hunter should have been able to work to overcome that but sometimes there just

[01:28:45] Isn't enough time unless you know you have an idol you can play to get that extra time to try to

[01:28:56] Work with people but even more importantly than all that Hunter was the biggest physical threat

[01:29:02] In the game with some social threat thrown in for good measure at the end as I said in the

[01:29:09] Sixth rule his threat level just overshadowed so much of his game all of this takes us back

[01:29:17] To why he should have known he needed to play his idol there were so many reasons for him to

[01:29:22] Just do it and I just said everybody knew he was a big threat and he knew everybody knew

[01:29:28] Yes he knew his strategic position in the game had been blown up and he needed time to rebuild

[01:29:34] He could have gained that time by playing his idol and he already had made fake idols

[01:29:39] And could have tried to find the real one if it were re-hidden not to mention it would have

[01:29:44] Given him more opportunities to win immunity again all of these factors should have added up

[01:29:51] For him but instead he tried to math his way out of it by figuring out who was voting where

[01:29:58] The problem is that people aren't always just numbers they can fool you which is exactly

[01:30:04] What Tiffany did but again it never should have come down to cutting it that close

[01:30:11] Just play the idol or don't tell anybody yes he didn't take all of that into account

[01:30:19] And that is why Hunter lost yeah we love him we'll miss him yeah miss him yes a lot more

[01:30:26] To come yeah all right well before we get to our predictions for next episode I do want to remind

[01:30:33] Everyone that the rules we just discussed are now available uh well now still available in

[01:30:39] Poster and t-shirt form again go to rob has a website.com slash yxlostfeed and you can scroll

[01:30:47] Down to find them and and I should say rule number six instead of being who did you say

[01:30:55] It was woo oh well instead of being woo should be hunter now you need to make a new picture there

[01:31:03] Bending backwards yeah oh god that would be a fun one for eric reichenbach to draw

[01:31:11] All right also before we go to our predictions where can people find you online yeah so my

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[01:31:31] And yeah I'm very busy these days so if I'm very slow responding text if you have my number

[01:31:38] Only for those people that have my number I'm way faster at text right David I send you

[01:31:43] A text right away yeah when I I meant to mention that earlier when I when I sent the text

[01:31:48] To Heidi and said hey would you be interested in you know sitting in for Jessica it was like

[01:31:54] Two minutes yes it was like how did you even check your calendar that but that's because I

[01:31:59] Have a soft spot for you on Jessica I've talked about that plenty with everyone right I

[01:32:04] Always talk about how you two are typically my favorites because and I've talked about this

[01:32:09] Before but you and Jessica definitely the contrast between the differences between the two of you

[01:32:14] Makes it so fun and the rules are legit I mean I think we can talk about how legit they are a

[01:32:20] Lot of our players including myself have read them beforehand so anyway so of course of course

[01:32:27] All right well I am well let me mention Jessica of course you can reach when she's

[01:32:32] You know back from Vegas at Jessica Lewis 89 on Twitter I am all over the place you can find

[01:32:38] My link tree at link tree slash David Bloomberg and in the url there's a dot before the ee and

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[01:33:15] Law has been signed now so who knows what will happen yes now I have been on those video sites

[01:33:22] Posting two or three videos per day I'm of course posting clips from Survivor plus other

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[01:33:43] Predictions predictions so the preview showed us that next week Liz says people are making her

[01:33:51] Crazy and then adds what is sure to be a classic line what the heck you ho bags

[01:33:57] So who said that was that I couldn't tell was that Liz I believe it was Liz okay she does like

[01:34:04] That word so okay okay yeah um if she doesn't have that on merch yet she's really missing

[01:34:10] An opportunity I know right because that's her thing someone was screaming in the previous

[01:34:15] I was just trying to make sure if that was what it was or what but anyway the other thing

[01:34:21] That we see is that people are of course talking about wanting Q out while Maria is telling him

[01:34:30] Well you could change that so part of me thinks could indeed be the target this week

[01:34:38] Because you know there's some people who still want Tiffany out but she wisely held on to her

[01:34:45] So unless they get her to do what Hunter did which I think is very unlikely she'll be fine

[01:34:52] It's possible that people could think about letting Q slide for the same reason they've

[01:34:57] Been letting Venus slide because they don't consider him to be a threat to win at the end

[01:35:02] As many people have said they've never vote for him but letting two people slide that far

[01:35:08] That is very risky business are you really going to you know if you're a player are

[01:35:13] You really going to say I'm going to let those two slide in and I'm going to go into the final

[01:35:16] Three and beat them that's only one spot left come on and especially with Q keeping him around

[01:35:24] When he has shown an ability to cause massive chaos I just think it's too much of a risk so

[01:35:30] With all that I think I've convinced myself to predict Q again even though I predicted

[01:35:36] Him last week and I was wrong oh I hate the fact that we're going the same direction

[01:35:41] I really want to go it's so so so so different I think if I am in the game I definitely am going

[01:35:49] To split the votes with Tiffany and someone else independently who that someone else will be

[01:35:54] Because you know you want her to flush that idol and I'm pretty sure she seems like there

[01:36:01] Her head is very strong in this game I'm pretty sure she knows she has to play it

[01:36:06] Get it out of your hands you survived one if you're not going to survive too right so even maybe

[01:36:12] Even the majority of votes could easily be her too it doesn't have to be the majority but in all

[01:36:17] Honesty I think she has to play it get it out of the way everyone knows it's gonna you know

[01:36:22] Backfire if you don't get it out I think the other side of the coin it's going to be Q I mean

[01:36:29] It's like he's annoyed every person out there and I was going in a similar route as you as

[01:36:35] You know you have Venus and Q who you could possibly be like okay I really don't like these

[01:36:41] Two players for a lot of different reasons but there's no freaking way you're gonna keep them

[01:36:47] Both right right and I think between the two of them Q probably seemed like physically maybe

[01:36:55] The only one visible not that he's won anything but visibly you're like okay he's the strong guy

[01:37:00] So his the perception is usually the guys are better at the challenges than girls

[01:37:05] So there's a lot more more going against Q and Q in his mind wants to control everything

[01:37:12] I truly think it's gonna come for Q he's broken every bridge he had built in the past

[01:37:18] Even though Venus has to but I think if I'm in the game I may want to keep Venus longer

[01:37:23] Not Q yeah so that I think that's what's where it's gonna go I think Maria Charlie

[01:37:30] and Ben seem to be pretty decently right now stay quiet let them burn first they definitely need to

[01:37:38] Pick it up and the strategy there and the resume who else is am I missing list I think

[01:37:44] List may go only because he's orange and he will be the last few orange left but I don't

[01:37:50] Think it will be next week although it's yet to be seen I am predicting Q just like you

[01:37:56] You raise a very good point they can easily split on Q for much the same reason that Hunter

[01:38:02] Said he voted for Venus no one's gonna get mad if you vote for Q as the split even even if

[01:38:11] Even if Tiffany somehow doesn't play her idol and goes home and some people have voted for Q

[01:38:17] It doesn't matter because nobody's gonna get upset at it he is the perfect person to be the split vote

[01:38:24] Yeah and if you are Kenzie sit back eat Jeff's popcorn and watch Q go home right and

[01:38:31] And Tiffany plays her idol and you are on the same level playing later on so I truly think

[01:38:37] If I'm Kenzie I'm like sitting back eating everything and just letting them at that point

[01:38:42] Like she already tried to break from them even though I still think she can play

[01:38:46] With Tiffany even though she was trying to break from her a little bit because she needs

[01:38:50] To build their estimate to win the game too so she's trying to separate but at this point

[01:38:55] Kenzie can probably sit back and just eat her popcorn easily yeah all right as we wrap up I

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[01:40:29] I love it I love it thank you for having me Jessica I miss you I hope I did some justice here but if

[01:40:39] Not at least have a blast at the wedding congratulations to the happy couple and hopefully

[01:40:45] I get to see you all soon maybe maybe some of you in Chicago maybe maybe we'll see are

[01:40:50] You gonna be in Chicago I will be there oh all right I'll see you there um well

[01:40:56] Jessica will be back here next week and we will have another guest as Dr. Jeremy Faust joins us now

[01:41:05] Dr. Jeremy Faust is not a player so people may be saying who is this guy I have mentioned him a

[01:41:11] Couple times as a pod uh as a friend I talked to about survivor frequently and you know he's on

[01:41:17] Twitter he may not be as well known as some people in the community but he has great thoughts

[01:41:22] About this game and I'm looking forward to talking to him here so we will be back here with

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