David Bloomberg lost his winner pick this week, but Jessica Lewis helps him push through the sadness for their analysis. Tevin seemed to be in a great position, with multiple alliances spanning different original tribes. He was in a tight two, a tight three, the Six, a side alliance, and probably more. And he had just blindsided someone he believed was a threat to him. How did literally everyone but his Andy Griffith ally suddenly turn against him? And what was going on with Q in that Tribal Council? It’s time to figure out Why Tevin Lost.[00:00:00] This episode is brought to you by FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss.
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[00:01:58] If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down.
[00:02:06] David and Jessica will turn it around.
[00:02:10] They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how.
[00:02:13] You blamed yourself and got voted out.
[00:02:17] This is why Blank lost.
[00:02:21] And this is why Blank lost.
[00:02:24] Baby, this is why Blank lost.
[00:02:35] Welcome back to a very sad why Blank lost.
[00:02:39] I'm David Bloomberg and I'm in mourning like my co-host Jessica Lewis was last week.
[00:02:45] Because my winner pick followed hers out of the game.
[00:02:49] Listen, you know what?
[00:02:53] I was going to try to be supportive and kind.
[00:02:57] But the and I can't now.
[00:03:01] Come on.
[00:03:03] I was do I have to be nice because your winner pick got voted out now that you're crying and you're upset.
[00:03:09] You have to pretend to be nice.
[00:03:10] That's fair.
[00:03:13] That is a rule that I am familiar with.
[00:03:15] Yes.
[00:03:16] But I you know, I was it's interesting that your winner pick did follow my winner pick out the door.
[00:03:20] I might have actually talked a little bit about why he probably shouldn't have targeted soda.
[00:03:25] Right?
[00:03:25] Yes.
[00:03:26] Someone said on Twitter, are you going to give Jessica credit for this prediction even though it happened sooner than she thought?
[00:03:35] And I would know.
[00:03:36] No, of course not.
[00:03:38] Of course not.
[00:03:38] Of course not.
[00:03:39] You hear all this?
[00:03:40] Of course not.
[00:03:41] But I also want to say this.
[00:03:43] Isn't it interesting that our namesakes followed each other out the door and now our winner picks have followed each other out the door?
[00:03:53] We definitely have a negative impact on the Survivor universe.
[00:03:56] Oh, we do.
[00:03:57] Which is why I'm wearing this shirt because Tevin my prediction is why you lost.
[00:04:05] So there's very appropriate.
[00:04:06] There's the spoiler because otherwise the rest of the time all you can see is an arrow pointing up towards me.
[00:04:11] You don't know what it says.
[00:04:15] It could say so many things.
[00:04:16] It could.
[00:04:17] It could.
[00:04:17] And I'm sure now we'll hear about those things.
[00:04:19] So but all right.
[00:04:25] Well, we know that Tevin has performed Shakespeare as an actor.
[00:04:34] So I turned to that author for words of wisdom on handling the loss of Tevin.
[00:04:42] Oh, this is amazing.
[00:04:43] And I found these wise words instead of weeping when a tragedy occurs in a songbird's life, it sings away its grief.
[00:04:53] I believe we could well follow the pattern of our feathered friends.
[00:04:59] Now, nobody wants me singing, but I will instead do kind of my equivalent.
[00:05:06] Bird are you going to rap?
[00:05:07] No birds sing.
[00:05:10] I talk about whether or not survivor players follow my rules.
[00:05:14] So with that in mind, let's put aside our grief that Tevin has gone from the game and follow our usual path of comparing how he played to my rules for winning.
[00:05:27] I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews, social media and secret scenes.
[00:05:39] I just want you to know I'm interrupting you.
[00:05:42] I just want you to be prepared.
[00:05:43] And just because you cried and you're acting upset doesn't mean I'm going to be nice.
[00:05:47] I just want you to know this.
[00:05:49] So you're not following the fifth rule?
[00:05:51] I'm not going to follow the rules.
[00:05:53] I'm not.
[00:05:54] Well, people who want to know what the fifth rule specifically says can find all of the rules at Rob has website dot com slash y x last and click on the link bubble for the survivor rules.
[00:06:08] But before we address how Tevin did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode.
[00:06:17] Oh boy, do we?
[00:06:19] I was going to say exactly that.
[00:06:21] Yeah, because Q.
[00:06:23] All we have to say is one letter.
[00:06:26] Right.
[00:06:29] What?
[00:06:30] Q.
[00:06:30] I know there is a divergence of opinions on the question of whether or not Q actually wanted to quit.
[00:06:40] I come down firmly on the side that he had no intention of actually doing it and it was all part of another one of his plans.
[00:06:49] Oh, yes.
[00:06:50] Those plans.
[00:06:51] Yes.
[00:06:52] And indeed my immediate thought when Q brought up quitting as I was live tweeting the episode was another weird Q plan to test people because we have to remember this is by no means the first time this has come up in every time.
[00:07:08] He said essentially the same thing that he was seeing where people stood when he brought it up at Yanu.
[00:07:14] He said on Twitter, no one is quitting.
[00:07:16] Part of it was trying to test to see if voting me out as an option for them later.
[00:07:22] Q once again talked as if he was ready to quit, but it was a ploy to get Kenzie to not play shot in the dark if they went back to tribal council and that one we actually had him on the show talking about when he said when he said that he threw last week's immunity challenge.
[00:07:39] He explained that he wanted to test his alliance for when he wasn't protected.
[00:07:44] So this was nothing new.
[00:07:46] In fact, I'm now thinking there was another time it happened when we didn't see it because when Jalinski said in his interviews that Q brought up quitting first, I figured that we had talked about it that he had said something that Jalinski misunderstood because neither of us thought Q would use that as a strategy to fool Jalinski.
[00:08:08] Into quitting and therefore branding him as a quitter.
[00:08:11] Now with everything that's happened since I think that was exactly what Q did.
[00:08:19] I think he brought up quitting and Jalinski was like, yes, let's quit and then Q went back to everyone and went that Jalinski he's a quitter.
[00:08:28] And of course it worked the first time so he was going to keep doing it.
[00:08:33] And I really do think that's what was going through his mind this time.
[00:08:37] Throw everyone off test the waters by saying he was going to quit.
[00:08:42] I find it fascinating if that's really what the plan was because in one vein like that's really incredible like strategy if you like really like deep down like you're you're going to a place that people don't normally go and survivor because I'm sorry when someone says put my name down.
[00:09:02] I want to go home nine times out of ten.
[00:09:04] Everyone's like cool.
[00:09:05] Okay, yeah get out.
[00:09:07] That's that's the reaction.
[00:09:10] So I'm wondering if there is some method to his chaos because the things that he is focusing on and utilizing like hide and go seek.
[00:09:19] Are you kidding me?
[00:09:20] Like really like somehow now if you're good at hiding go seek that means you're really good at survivor.
[00:09:28] Yeah, it's incredible that he is taking these risks if that's really like what he's doing if he has made a concerted effort to play the game in this fashion.
[00:09:39] Well then goddamn he is changing the game.
[00:09:42] He called himself a game changer.
[00:09:43] So maybe right at the beginning of the episode because this is this is it sounds like lunacy like who would who would actually put themselves out there and be like vote for me.
[00:09:54] I caused some problems vote for me.
[00:09:57] But I thought what was very interesting and this is the one thing that makes me feel like what your thought process is is correct is what he said to Tiffany during the tribal council when he was like listen there was votes coming your way.
[00:10:10] They were going to be voting you out like I needed to do something and I was like well wow, that's like that is a whole nother level if you're really doing you're putting your neck out to try to save her.
[00:10:21] But at the same time you're making yourself look like like we saw everybody reacting at the tribal council like everyone had their heads in their hands or like what is going on nobody knew what's going on.
[00:10:32] So he if he makes it to the end, he is going to have some serious explaining to do because I don't think anyone is going to feel that about anything he's doing and maybe they'll have a light bulb moment if that's what he's doing and maybe he'll explain it in a way that they understand it to be that.
[00:10:49] But wow, very risky if that's what he's doing very risky.
[00:10:53] And when I say that he might have been doing it to test the waters.
[00:10:57] I think this could even extend to how the vote shook out now.
[00:11:00] I may be stretching things here, but in this tribal council when he said that Tiffany was strongly saying Q should stay while Tevin made comments indicating FQ wants to go.
[00:11:13] We're not going to coddle him right.
[00:11:15] And I know I'm dipping my toes into discussions we'll have later in the rules, but I do wonder if that played a role in Q's decision in his private tribal council conversations to push to get rid of Tevin instead of sticking with his original Tiffany plan because Tevin was he's always said he wants to test to see what people did and Tevin in his mind maybe fell for it.
[00:11:40] It's a possibility.
[00:11:41] It certainly is the other part too that I think is very interesting about Q's methodology is this idea where he says if you come after someone in the six, well then you got to go home.
[00:11:51] Well, that's what he did just the last vote right?
[00:11:54] No, because Tim came after someone with this in the six in terms of Hunter.
[00:12:00] So then he had to get rid of him.
[00:12:02] Oh, I see.
[00:12:02] So that's okay.
[00:12:04] Because I was like trying like wait a second, but he got he voted out Tim.
[00:12:07] But that's why he voted out Tim.
[00:12:08] Understood.
[00:12:09] This is a very terrible alliance.
[00:12:12] Yeah, well, yeah, I have thoughts on that too.
[00:12:17] But I'm sure now we are not the only people who think this was part of our, you know, potentially part of a grand Q plan.
[00:12:25] Jeff said he didn't think Q was serious about quitting and for one rare moment of time.
[00:12:32] I agree with Jeff.
[00:12:34] Rob gave some interesting reasons on Know It All to support why Q, you know, said it was all a strategy.
[00:12:43] One was the same thing you just mentioned about his conversation with Tiffany.
[00:12:47] Meanwhile, on Know It All, Stephen's main point in taking the opposite side seemed to be that because I said it was strategy, he had to go the other way.
[00:12:56] He had to argue.
[00:12:58] Well, you know, you and Stephen.
[00:13:00] Yes.
[00:13:01] Now, among other important points that Rob made was that during the quote unquote live portion of the Tribal Council, Q was not at all acting upset that he wasn't getting voted out, nor did he seem that way at the end.
[00:13:16] If he really wanted to get voted out, we've seen people who wanted to get vote out and didn't.
[00:13:22] One was on Rob Caesar.
[00:13:24] Mm hmm.
[00:13:25] One, one Rob Caesar.
[00:13:27] But, you know, it's not the attitude that Q showed.
[00:13:35] And, you know, they were the actions of a man who wanted to retake control or an appearance of control.
[00:13:43] And that's where I'm leaning.
[00:13:44] I think he did it because he was just a participant in the planned vote.
[00:13:50] He was notified at the end.
[00:13:53] After doing this in Tribal Council, he stirred things up.
[00:13:56] He helped direct the way it went.
[00:13:59] And therefore he regained an appearance of control in his mind.
[00:14:04] Now with that said, this really wasn't much of a live Tribal Council because all they did was revert back to the original plan.
[00:14:11] But of course, as you and I have talked about many times, that's what happens in most so-called live Tribal Council.
[00:14:20] Right, right.
[00:14:21] Yeah.
[00:14:22] Yeah.
[00:14:22] I mean, it's a very fascinating concept.
[00:14:25] I'm very intrigued to see what the response will be next week when they all have to return to Tribal Council and say,
[00:14:33] what was that?
[00:14:34] Because this is one of those situations where I don't think that Q can get away with not explaining himself immediately.
[00:14:41] Like he's going to have to.
[00:14:43] And I'm very much interested in that particular explanation.
[00:14:48] Yeah.
[00:14:49] I mean, next episode will be an interesting one for him.
[00:14:52] And you know, do I think it was a good move for Q?
[00:14:55] No, absolutely not.
[00:14:57] No.
[00:14:58] Definitely overplaying.
[00:15:00] My friend, Dr.
[00:15:02] Jeremy Faust, noted to me in a conversation that Q's move went against what he told Banu, which is don't use Tribal Council to shake things up.
[00:15:11] Right.
[00:15:13] And you know, people are already annoyed based just on what they were saying at Tribal Council.
[00:15:18] So, oh, what are the that was just such a great everything about the chaotic nature, the responses, the facial expressions, the commentary, the voting booth, confessionals.
[00:15:31] Oh gosh, it was so entertaining.
[00:15:34] Yes, it was so entertaining.
[00:15:36] Yes.
[00:15:37] Now moving away from Q shaking things up to him failing to do so.
[00:15:43] He wanted people to sit out with him and Liz for rice, but couldn't get the necessary numbers.
[00:15:48] Jeff later worded it to say they couldn't come to a deal on the race.
[00:15:54] But the thing is, Jeff wasn't dealing.
[00:15:56] He made a demand and it was his way or the highway or I guess I should say his way or the high pole.
[00:16:04] You know, yes, he offered quote unquote to take away the votes of two people instead.
[00:16:10] But I was very happy to see the players all shoot him down on that one immediately.
[00:16:15] Like no, Jeff, that's not a deal.
[00:16:18] Yeah.
[00:16:18] And this like rice negotiation, while it was fun the first couple of times kind of over it at this point.
[00:16:27] Like I said, not a negotiation.
[00:16:29] They tried to negotiate.
[00:16:30] Right?
[00:16:31] It's not and I will say that there are I what I appreciate more are those unexpected moments when a survivor player says, you know what?
[00:16:41] I'm going to try to get something from Jeff and and that's where the race negotiation really stemmed from.
[00:16:47] It was, you know, and it didn't come from a planned thing.
[00:16:51] It was like, hey, we we need rice.
[00:16:52] So can we can we negotiate?
[00:16:55] And I think that's so much more fun because you are giving the players an opportunity to say Jeff, this is what we're willing to give you.
[00:17:02] Is that enough?
[00:17:03] And then you can negotiate and go back and forth and make some determinations.
[00:17:07] But when yes, when you are like, it's this and that's that's the only option and then I'll give you an even more terrible option.
[00:17:15] Right.
[00:17:15] To choose from and you're like, no, thank you.
[00:17:17] So yeah, it's I agree.
[00:17:19] It wasn't much of a negotiation.
[00:17:20] And yeah, it's like someone in a garage sale marking a t-shirt for $15 and someone walking up and going, I'll you know, I'll give you five for it.
[00:17:29] No, it says 15.
[00:17:31] Yeah, I won't deal at all.
[00:17:34] Well, I'll take your car.
[00:17:36] You know, that's not you're not dealing this is not, you know, right?
[00:17:41] Right.
[00:17:41] Yeah, that's not how it works.
[00:17:43] Yeah.
[00:17:44] Now I have the last two things I want to discuss before we move to the rules are admittedly a couple of I told you so moments not I told you but I told I was going to say what I do now.
[00:17:57] Not you.
[00:17:57] Not okay.
[00:17:58] I should have reworded that I told them.
[00:18:00] So we began this episode with a previously on that provided a scene they hadn't shown before which I always find them annoying when they do that because on other shows I will sometimes skip previously on right.
[00:18:18] Right.
[00:18:18] And if I weren't watching this live, I would probably skip previously on and therefore I went to seen it.
[00:18:24] But watching it live, I was like, wait a minute.
[00:18:26] What just happened?
[00:18:27] Because yeah, Tevin was saying that his vote against Venus was a just in case vote.
[00:18:35] Now.
[00:18:37] Survivor producers could have saved a lot of social media commenters some embarrassment if they'd shown that last week so that those people didn't insist and argue that Tevin couldn't have been the one who orchestrated the soda vote because he didn't even vote for her.
[00:18:55] Right.
[00:18:55] As if we've never seen a vote split before.
[00:18:59] Right.
[00:19:00] It's funny how all those people got dead silent after the episode stopped arguing real weird crazy, right?
[00:19:07] Yeah, strange.
[00:19:09] And then in continuing I told them so mode there was an entertainment weekly secret scene of Maria talking to Ben and grilling him about whether he or Tim had the Sega idol and she was absolutely certain he was being dishonest.
[00:19:26] Now when we did why gem lost, we said it wasn't that her tribe mate suspected her of having the idol.
[00:19:33] But for the other reasons that we discussed and we got a few comments whether on social media, TikToks, wherever saying no, it was the idol.
[00:19:43] Once again, this scene definitely settled that one as well.
[00:19:49] So look at you.
[00:19:51] Yes, you're just winning points today.
[00:19:54] Actually, but you're minus a winner.
[00:19:57] So there's that.
[00:20:00] Just saying.
[00:20:02] Maybe you're at night.
[00:20:03] Oh, there's your there's your tissue.
[00:20:05] Yeah.
[00:20:08] All right.
[00:20:08] Well, there were of course some other things going on and I'll be putting some of those in my TikToks at David Bloomberg TV.
[00:20:14] Is there anything else you want to discuss before we move on?
[00:20:18] I do want to touch upon hide and seek just one more time because you start counting.
[00:20:28] A couple of things one.
[00:20:30] I think it's fascinating that they were talking about having downtime because all we have been told with this new version of Survivor is there's no time to do anything.
[00:20:39] So it's like but then you have all of this time to play hide and go seek that is a massive island.
[00:20:45] I happen to know and wow to play hide and go seek in that place must have been incredible.
[00:20:53] But I mean they only had 40 seconds to run away from Charlie when he was counting.
[00:20:58] So yeah, but you can still make some good headway.
[00:21:02] And then if he's not coming in your direction, you could move again.
[00:21:05] But needless to say playing hide and go seek on a massive island.
[00:21:09] That must have been incredibly fun.
[00:21:11] I must.
[00:21:12] So I enjoyed that segment.
[00:21:14] So thank you for that moment that we were able to watch them have some fun out there and that it was actually part of the episode.
[00:21:21] But then Q turned it into a whole thing, which is awesome.
[00:21:24] And Venus Venus was doing you know, they were interspersing Q and Venus analyzing people over.
[00:21:29] Yeah, it was great.
[00:21:31] Yeah, the the Mariah putting things in her hair and suddenly that was Liz Liz Mariah's gone.
[00:21:40] No, Maria.
[00:21:41] No, it was okay.
[00:21:42] Maria Maria Maria put things in her hair.
[00:21:44] I'm just there's too.
[00:21:45] There's too many names that are close and people that look the same.
[00:21:49] Can we stop doing this, please?
[00:21:51] I can't handle it.
[00:21:52] But yeah, she put the the things in her hair and it was like and then you know Tiffany's hiding with something red and what is she thinking?
[00:22:00] It was fascinating.
[00:22:00] Yeah, absolutely fascinating that that there was such an incredible like response from at least those two individuals about playing this game and Hunter was basically asleep in a tree the whole time.
[00:22:12] Yeah.
[00:22:15] All right.
[00:22:16] Well before we go on to how Tevin did we want to mention that the rules were about to discuss come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form.
[00:22:26] Go to Rob has website.com slash yxlostfeed scroll down to the poster click on it order it and it will be delivered to you.
[00:22:34] It will be in addition.
[00:22:36] You can also keep scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt.
[00:22:42] And then you can keep scrolling and get the checklist on a t-shirt.
[00:22:46] Get it all.
[00:22:47] I don't know how long it takes to get, you know t-shirts at this point.
[00:22:52] But if you want them in time for the Chicago RHAP Gathering.
[00:22:56] Oh, yes.
[00:22:58] You definitely should.
[00:22:59] Oh that would be so fun if people were wearing the t-shirts.
[00:23:02] Love that.
[00:23:02] Yes.
[00:23:04] So again, that's Rob has website.com slash yxlostfeed.
[00:23:08] You could buy a poster and just tack it onto your shirt if you need to.
[00:23:12] Or you could buy two posters and wear them as what is called sandwich boards.
[00:23:16] Yes, I love this idea.
[00:23:18] You should do that David.
[00:23:19] I don't think so.
[00:23:24] But if someone else wants to I'm all for it.
[00:23:26] But I love this.
[00:23:27] Yeah.
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[00:26:05] Well Tevin seemed to be in a great position with multiple alliances spanning different original tribes.
[00:26:12] He was in a tight to a tight three a six a side alliance and probably more he had just blindsided someone he believed was a threat to him going forward.
[00:26:23] So how did literally everyone but his Andy Griffith ally suddenly turn against him?
[00:26:30] It's time to figure out why Tevin lost.
[00:26:33] We begin of course with the first and most important rule, which is to scheme and plot while Venus told us this week that Tevin was a fish out of water in the strategy part of the game.
[00:26:46] It will surprise exactly nobody that I'm going to say she was wrong.
[00:26:51] He just hid that side of himself from her as he played her and let her believe she was the strategic mastermind, which was indeed strategy on his part.
[00:27:02] But it was also weird of her to say that because earlier in the game Venus complained Tevin has a deep personal connection with literally everyone but me.
[00:27:12] Now maybe she saw that as social and not strategy.
[00:27:16] But it was definitely strategy on his part as he told us in that same episode that he was indeed attached to everyone except Venus.
[00:27:25] Well, I think that's something that we've talked about quite a bit is that there is there seems to be a misunderstanding amongst some survivor players that strategy cannot include the social component of it that they feel that the two are separate.
[00:27:41] But someone like Tevin really did mend them together beautifully.
[00:27:44] He found a reason to connect with someone and utilize that to form a bond, but then utilize that as an alliance and strategic gameplay.
[00:27:55] And so there is a lot to be said about taking those things and putting them together as opposed to feeling that they're completely separate.
[00:28:01] However, we have seen that as well where someone can have a very close social relationship, but no strategic relationship.
[00:28:08] And the fact that Tevin was able to put them together, I think certainly helped his game but also maybe hurt it a little bit.
[00:28:17] Yeah, I mean we know he was very tight with Hunter in the Andy Griffith Alliance I referenced.
[00:28:23] We've since learned Liz was also in there too as a type three who made up the Shelter Alliance.
[00:28:31] Indeed Tevin told Mike Bloom I never in a million years thought that Liz would be the person to vote me out.
[00:28:37] For a while he had Soda as well until of course, he didn't think he could trust her anymore, which we'll discuss in rule two.
[00:28:44] In addition to all of that, he had an alliance with Maria from the first Journey that we didn't know about until interviews.
[00:28:51] And of course, he was in the six, which by the way, you know, two weeks ago I called it the Journey Alliance because that's what they were calling it.
[00:29:01] Last week I said, okay now they're calling it the plus one Alliance.
[00:29:04] So I'll call it that and this week everybody just calls it the six.
[00:29:07] The six.
[00:29:09] This is fluid.
[00:29:11] It just is just as the people who are part of the six are fluid.
[00:29:15] The name is fluid as well.
[00:29:16] Yes.
[00:29:16] Yes.
[00:29:18] So anyway, when it came to allies and strategy, I think Tevin seemed to be doing quite well.
[00:29:25] Yeah.
[00:29:26] Now we know Tevin was the one who mainly orchestrated Soda's blind side and then he was continuing to think about next moves and even further into the game.
[00:29:36] And one reason he decided to target Soda at that moment was that Q told him to vote out Venus and he didn't just want to be doing Q's bidding or else if they made it to the end, it would look like Q had been the one directing everything.
[00:29:51] Right.
[00:29:51] Right.
[00:29:52] Yeah, I think that he that was an interesting response because I do think you know a lot of people thought well he couldn't possibly have orchestrated the Soda vote because he voted for Venus.
[00:30:03] But I do think that this is one of those strategic minds where it's I am looking steps ahead and he's already planning on I now if I vote Venus I can tell Soda.
[00:30:17] I never put her name down as I promised I would never do.
[00:30:20] And so it's a multiple layer thing where it's not just I'm going to orchestrate a blind side.
[00:30:25] I'm going to get everybody to vote the way that I want and I'm going to say face there will be no blood on my hands.
[00:30:31] However, at the end I get to say Soda I might have orchestrated it but I didn't put your name down just as I promised.
[00:30:36] And so yeah, you still got her voted out.
[00:30:39] But at least you held true to that particular promise you made.
[00:30:42] Right.
[00:30:43] Right.
[00:30:44] Now, of course.
[00:30:46] The whole Soda vote led to a lot of people thinking he moved against her too soon, which takes us into the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret.
[00:30:57] Rob wondered on the postgame show if Tevin would have been voted out if Soda had still been there and concluded that it wouldn't have been so much Soda saving him but rather the series of events that led to him being voted out probably wouldn't have occurred.
[00:31:11] And therefore he made the move against Soda too soon.
[00:31:14] Now, obviously it's hard to say for sure what would have happened but Rob was definitely right that the spark for the Tevin vote was Liz's reaction to how he was acting after the Soda vote.
[00:31:25] So tracking it back, it makes sense that it indeed wouldn't have happened.
[00:31:29] However, I don't know that I can fully agree.
[00:31:32] He made the move against Soda too soon.
[00:31:35] We talked extensively last week about how Tevin was working with the information he had available to him and in all of his interviews, Tevin might as well have been quoting us.
[00:31:47] He said almost the exact same thing, noting that watching the game of Survivor and playing the game of Survivor are two different things and that people watching have more information than he had.
[00:31:58] When you're playing, you don't have that information.
[00:32:02] I even had made a TikTok clip of part of our discussion on that point.
[00:32:07] And Tevin continued by saying that knowing what he knows now, he wouldn't have voted Soda out but with the information he had, he would do it again.
[00:32:17] I'm curious if he needed to do a little more digging then in order to have more information.
[00:32:24] Like is there something he could have learned from someone if he had just had an additional conversation?
[00:32:29] Because I'm very curious that his number one, who was Hunter, didn't come to him and say, hey, by the way, like this is happening.
[00:32:38] So I'm wondering if it was...
[00:32:39] Oh about this vote?
[00:32:41] Yes, about this particular vote.
[00:32:42] Okay, I thought you were...
[00:32:43] Right.
[00:32:43] No, because I'm just kind of putting it all together in my mind where even Hunter might have been looking at Tevin and going, if he's willing...
[00:32:53] I'm curious what Hunter felt about Soda and the relationship that he thought Tevin and Soda had.
[00:33:01] And so I don't know if maybe he needed to have more conversations with people who might have been closer to Soda to try to make some determinations about the relationship.
[00:33:11] And is she someone that he could actually trust?
[00:33:15] Because I do think that this was a domino effect for him.
[00:33:19] And yes, he probably didn't have all of the information as he indicated.
[00:33:23] And I truly believe that because I know what it feels like when you're going through that and not having all the information.
[00:33:29] But perhaps he needed to have additional conversations to try to gain more knowledge.
[00:33:33] But I'm not sure if he would have actually been successful.
[00:33:36] But he did have those conversations.
[00:33:38] I mean, he did talk to Hunter.
[00:33:40] Hunter was like, yes, let's get rid of her.
[00:33:43] Before Randan left, he had been talking about Soda's not trustworthy to Tevin.
[00:33:49] Liz had been wanting Soda out forever, as she reiterated in this episode.
[00:33:55] And so with all the information that he had, plus the information that he was getting from his allies,
[00:34:03] he could not trust that the alliance with Soda was good based on what he was seeing.
[00:34:09] And adding in what he said in interviews, he knew how close Soda and Venus were at the beginning.
[00:34:15] But Soda told him that he was her number one.
[00:34:22] So he saw two possibilities.
[00:34:24] Either Venus was still her number one and she lied to him because, of course,
[00:34:30] they hadn't seen Survivor 45 and didn't know you could have more than one number one.
[00:34:36] Or she had tossed Venus aside, which meant she could do the same to him because he saw how close they had been.
[00:34:44] Right, right.
[00:34:45] So between those two options, he just didn't feel like he could trust her.
[00:34:51] Right. And I think that that is certainly a justifiable reason to feel that way and to want to take her out.
[00:34:59] But I still feel like even if he felt that way about her and didn't feel like he could trust her,
[00:35:06] knowing all of that information that he knew that everyone was OK with Soda because no one could trust her,
[00:35:13] like everyone was OK with Soda being voted out because they didn't feel like she was trustworthy.
[00:35:17] Then I put her in kind of a category then along with someone like Venus where they're like,
[00:35:23] well, we know what Venus's game is and so we don't need to worry about Venus.
[00:35:29] He could have taken the same approach with Soda because he knows all of these people are on his side.
[00:35:35] They all said, yes, I'd be willing to vote out Soda, which means if Soda came to them and said,
[00:35:40] I want to vote out Tevin, maybe they wouldn't have been willing to vote out Tevin.
[00:35:44] So he had enough people, I think, in his corner that he could have said,
[00:35:49] let's hold off then on Soda because there's already a faction of individuals here who want to vote her out.
[00:35:56] We can get to her later. If she stays, we can take care of someone else now
[00:36:01] that maybe would be a little more difficult because Soda apparently wouldn't be a difficult vote
[00:36:05] because there were so many people who wanted her voted out.
[00:36:08] Except that was those people in the split tribal council.
[00:36:13] Oh, yeah. I forgot about the split tribal.
[00:36:15] Yes. And it also limited his choices.
[00:36:20] I mean, his choices were I don't remember exactly, but he talked about basically his only other option was Charlie
[00:36:26] and he didn't want to do that because he had something going with Maria.
[00:36:29] Can we stop with the split tribals? Thank you.
[00:36:31] Well, yes. So, you know, does it?
[00:36:37] Yeah, I mean.
[00:36:38] Do it too soon. We could say that in hindsight.
[00:36:41] I just I find it difficult to do so myself.
[00:36:45] He can't read minds.
[00:36:46] He made a reasonable conclusion based on the impressions and facts that were available to him.
[00:36:53] No, and I forgot about the split tribal as well,
[00:36:56] because that's certainly something that is going to limit his options greatly.
[00:37:00] Yeah. Now, another part of this rule says to keep your scheming secret.
[00:37:04] Tevin knew he should do that and specifically said he wasn't going to publicly claim the Soda vote until later.
[00:37:11] But then he told Liz because, you know, as I mentioned earlier,
[00:37:14] she was the last person he expected would blindside him.
[00:37:18] Turned out she was the first person.
[00:37:21] Not because not because, you know, it was a revelation to her that he'd done this,
[00:37:26] but because it made her realize that him claiming the move could be a threat to her later,
[00:37:32] which of course we'll discuss in the sixth.
[00:37:35] Yes. And this is something that all future Survivor players should be very mindful of.
[00:37:40] Assume everyone will vote you out because it doesn't matter if you're the number one,
[00:37:46] number two, number three, or if you don't get along at all.
[00:37:49] You can be voted out by anyone at any point in time.
[00:37:53] So always expect that.
[00:37:54] Yes, yes. All right.
[00:37:56] Well, we could go to the third rule, which tells players to be flexible.
[00:37:59] How do you think Tevin did here?
[00:38:01] I think Tevin was, I mean, just the list that you've already provided of all of the variables
[00:38:07] that he had for alliances speaks volumes of his willingness to be flexible.
[00:38:11] He did have a two. He had a three. He had a six.
[00:38:13] He had a probably a four.
[00:38:15] I mean, he had options all over the place.
[00:38:18] And so I do think that his gameplay really it thrived on being flexible because he needed to have options
[00:38:26] and was keeping options open.
[00:38:28] And I will say he even tried with Venus, which I have to give him some credit for as well in this rule
[00:38:34] because he was understanding that Venus is affecting my game is affecting other people.
[00:38:42] I need to try to make this work with her.
[00:38:43] And he even tried to have an alliance with her.
[00:38:45] And so again, he was trying to be flexible.
[00:38:48] And then the same thing happened with Venus that had been happening and she threw him under the bus again.
[00:38:53] He was like, OK, that's it. I'm done.
[00:38:55] But he tried. And so I do think that he really took this rule and ran with it because he had so many options
[00:39:02] available to him and who he wanted to actually play the game with and also understood
[00:39:09] that even though he needed to be flexible, he was still locked in with these people.
[00:39:13] And so it was this interesting mix when you know, with the Charlie thing that you had mentioned
[00:39:18] where he didn't want to vote out Charlie because of the relationship they had with Maria.
[00:39:22] And so I think that he struggled a little bit because he wanted to be flexible but also knew when he couldn't be.
[00:39:28] So I think that that also worked for him well as well.
[00:39:32] Yeah, yeah, I agree with everything you said.
[00:39:36] Some people could say voting out Soda removed some flexibility, one possibility.
[00:39:41] But we've already discussed how he didn't see it that way.
[00:39:45] One thing I do think is interesting to note is that Liz said on Twitter that Tevin and Hunter were her day one allies.
[00:39:52] And then suddenly they got to merge and they disappeared on her, like only coming to talk to her at the end of the day.
[00:39:59] So it's possible, perhaps likely that Tevin got a little too comfortable with Liz while also working with his six.
[00:40:06] And again, you know, we heard him say at one point he was sure Liz would vote with them and to maintain flexibility,
[00:40:14] you need to ensure that you keep those relationships going and not let anyone feel like they've fallen away.
[00:40:22] Yes, and that is a very fair point.
[00:40:24] Agreed.
[00:40:26] All right. Well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them.
[00:40:31] And Tevin voting out Soda showed how well he did in this rule because there was never any doubt that he liked Soda.
[00:40:39] It was always a matter of trust.
[00:40:42] As he told Mike Bloom, two things can be true at once.
[00:40:45] And one of the things that was true, as I said in all my confessionals, I adore Soda for my game.
[00:40:51] I can't trust her, but me and her aligned so beautifully in other ways.
[00:40:55] So we had kind of locked in from the beginning.
[00:40:59] So whether people agree with, you know, what I said earlier in terms of what he believed was right based on the information he had available
[00:41:09] or whether they think he still shouldn't have done it.
[00:41:12] It's clear that Tevin followed this rule in keeping his emotions out of the decision.
[00:41:18] Yes, and I think that he seemed to do that throughout the duration of his game as well, where it really was strategic.
[00:41:27] But then he kept his emotions to the side.
[00:41:30] I mean, just look at the chaos that happened in the last Tribal Council.
[00:41:35] I mean, it was really quite chaotic.
[00:41:38] And even though he was willing to go with Q, I don't think that that was coming from an emotional standpoint.
[00:41:43] I think that was just coming from a gameplay where like, well, he wants to go home.
[00:41:46] Let's let him go home, send him home.
[00:41:49] So yes, I think he did great with this as well.
[00:41:51] Yeah, I mean, and we could even look to the conversation you just mentioned that he had with Venus because we know how he felt about her.
[00:42:00] And yet he kept her around even after that because he felt it was a more advantageous play to do something different.
[00:42:08] You know, other people in his position would have taken her out the minute he was able.
[00:42:13] But he put his feelings aside for the sake of what he felt was better strategy.
[00:42:17] But in the same vein, they when they tried to come back together, I don't think he ever actually made Venus feel like she was as welcome as he thought he was doing.
[00:42:29] And so that I think had a little bit of a negative effect on him.
[00:42:33] But it seems like Venus was rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
[00:42:38] And so I don't think he would have been the only one making her feel that way.
[00:42:43] So I can't necessarily fault him for doing so because he did try.
[00:42:47] Right. Now, that takes us more into the fifth rule, which is, you know, the players have to pretend to be nice and play the social game.
[00:42:54] And before, you know, I have some things to say about the whole Venus situation there.
[00:42:59] But before we get to that, there is so much we can say about how well Tevin did here.
[00:43:05] So I want to start by quoting some things.
[00:43:08] Randon told Mike Blum, he said, I love Tevin.
[00:43:11] It's hard not to like Tevin.
[00:43:13] And that's his biggest weapon.
[00:43:16] And then I mean, not Randon would add that not only is Tevin a really nice guy,
[00:43:22] but he also does what this rule says and pretends even when he's not feeling it with someone.
[00:43:28] Yeah. And, you know, as Randon also said, he has this beautiful acting talent.
[00:43:33] And this is where we get to Venus, because we saw him use it on her several times,
[00:43:40] such as when she was proclaiming she had controlled the soda blind side.
[00:43:44] And he was just sitting there buttering her up, letting her believe that he agreed with her.
[00:43:50] This was one of the best examples of pretending to be nice ever.
[00:43:55] And he controlled his emotions at that tribal council when Soda was like giving her all the credit.
[00:44:01] He didn't go, oh, hold up. That was me.
[00:44:03] So I'm going to jump back to the fourth year here.
[00:44:05] But yes, yeah, I think that's that's a very good point.
[00:44:09] Now, as you had mentioned, this was not the first time Tevin had to put on his social game hat and try to deal with Venus.
[00:44:16] He noted in his interviews that while we saw part of that conversation with Venus
[00:44:21] in the secret scene a few weeks back, that wasn't all of it.
[00:44:24] He wanted to quash their beef.
[00:44:27] But he noted that every time he tried to explain things to her,
[00:44:33] she would cut him off or insert only her perspective,
[00:44:37] which I have to say is not exactly a surprise to either of us on this podcast,
[00:44:41] given what we've noted about her and her perspective previously.
[00:44:46] But Tevin kept at it.
[00:44:48] And again, she just kept saying he was interpreting things wrong.
[00:44:52] Plugged away.
[00:44:54] And it all just kept coming back to that, according to what he said in his interview.
[00:44:59] And I find that incredibly ironic because she was the one who last week
[00:45:03] complained about her perception of how Maria had spoken to her.
[00:45:08] Yeah.
[00:45:09] You know, so she's out there saying you're interpreting things wrong.
[00:45:13] But then when Maria says something to her, oh, it, you know, it has to be that way.
[00:45:17] It can't be an interpretation issue.
[00:45:21] But in any case, the point I'm getting at is that Tevin tried and tried.
[00:45:24] And by the end, he thought he had gotten through to her.
[00:45:28] And then within moments, like you said, she was throwing his name out as a target.
[00:45:32] But at least he survived.
[00:45:33] Yeah, and I think he did.
[00:45:34] And I really do think that just going back to the beginning of the season with Venus,
[00:45:41] and there did seem to be a disconnect between she and a lot of people on the tribe.
[00:45:47] And she talked about this in her confessionals, just how she doesn't feel like
[00:45:52] she's in with the group and that they're kind of keeping her on the outs.
[00:45:57] And she was all excited when Randan brought her in with the immunity
[00:46:03] that he had found or the clue that he had found.
[00:46:06] And she finally thought she had like some footing in the game.
[00:46:09] And so I just I'm wondering if all of that has just kept her in this mindset
[00:46:16] now where no matter what these people try to do to keep me around,
[00:46:20] they didn't want to bother with me in the beginning.
[00:46:22] But now they want to bother with me because I'm a vote.
[00:46:25] And instead of that, I'm just I'm done with that.
[00:46:27] I'm not going to do that.
[00:46:29] I'm just wondering how much of an effect that had on her.
[00:46:32] Like if they had taken her under their wing a little bit sooner, maybe
[00:46:36] maybe we wouldn't be having this conflict with Venus and so many people on the tribe
[00:46:41] because she wouldn't feel the need to have to step up and and want credit
[00:46:46] and want to be seen and want to play a little more dangerously and let people see her
[00:46:51] because she wants to forge her own path and not be with these people.
[00:46:54] I mean, wondering if maybe that that's part of what happened there.
[00:46:58] I mean, Soda did take her under her ring.
[00:47:00] That was part of what got Soda voted out, you know, right.
[00:47:03] And Randan tried and Tevin, although he said in his interviews
[00:47:08] that he did not like the way she was treating him.
[00:47:10] So he just kind of was like, I'm done right until he remembered.
[00:47:14] Oh, this is a game. I need to try to deal with her.
[00:47:17] And, you know, he knew how she was feeling.
[00:47:20] He explained, OK, I think you're feeling this way that we're shutting you out.
[00:47:24] But here's why that's not the case.
[00:47:27] And everything to her came back again to her perspective.
[00:47:31] Right. You know, so.
[00:47:34] Yeah, we've talked about that plenty before.
[00:47:37] No, I know. I'm just I find it interesting.
[00:47:39] Yeah. So let's go to the sixth rule, which warns against being too much of a threat.
[00:47:43] And this is obviously a key issue when it comes to Tevin.
[00:47:47] It's interesting because he was trying to reduce his threat level
[00:47:51] after the Soda Blind side in part by letting Venus go on about how she did it
[00:47:56] and in part by just lying low right after it.
[00:48:00] Unfortunately for him, that wasn't enough.
[00:48:02] While Venus proclaimed she'd done it, everyone knew she hadn't.
[00:48:06] Tevin, of course, as we mentioned, talked to Liz about it.
[00:48:08] But as he noted to Dalton Ross, he was working with her.
[00:48:13] What he didn't realize was that Liz got worried about him
[00:48:16] and how his game impacted her own because she said
[00:48:20] she couldn't have people believing he was the mastermind
[00:48:22] and she was just floating along.
[00:48:25] And she also said she looked back at the last 15 days
[00:48:28] and realized how often she let someone else take the lead.
[00:48:32] Although I do have to mention that to be fair, for most of those 15 days,
[00:48:36] there wasn't really much of a decision to be made for anyone on her tribe.
[00:48:40] Right, right, right.
[00:48:41] But as she added on Twitter that she said in the episode
[00:48:47] if she didn't make a move soon, she was going to get swallowed up by the game.
[00:48:52] Yeah. I think this is an interesting moment for Tevin.
[00:48:56] He could have treated this differently because there was a conversation
[00:49:00] that he was having with Liz prior to the soda vote.
[00:49:04] And she was like, I've been wanting to vote soda out since the beginning.
[00:49:07] And I feel like the conversations that he had with her after the fact,
[00:49:14] he probably could have given her some of the credit too,
[00:49:19] you know, as opposed to like the laughing and, you know,
[00:49:23] and poking fun at Venus and her thinking that she's the one who did it
[00:49:28] because it was very dramatic when he was talking to Liz about that.
[00:49:34] So I think maybe it would have been a good idea for him to quietly accept
[00:49:39] that, you know, we know that Venus didn't do that.
[00:49:42] And just, you know, like we talked about it on the beach.
[00:49:45] We both wanted her to go home.
[00:49:47] Use we more instead of us.
[00:49:48] Yes, exactly.
[00:49:50] Because then maybe her response to it would have been like,
[00:49:53] yeah, look what we did.
[00:49:54] And I was the one that actually gave...
[00:49:56] So then if you make it to the finals, then the two of them,
[00:49:58] if they're both there can duke it out as to who actually came up with the plan
[00:50:02] as opposed to even though you're working with her,
[00:50:05] don't try to take ownership of it because you did have a conversation
[00:50:08] with her about it and she was in full agreement
[00:50:12] and had been wanting to vote her out.
[00:50:13] So I think we would have been a much better word choice.
[00:50:16] Yes. Yes.
[00:50:18] Now, of course, Liz wasn't the only one worried about Tevin for various reasons.
[00:50:22] As just a few examples,
[00:50:24] Kenzie said Tevin has a social charisma like she's never seen in real life.
[00:50:29] That's amazing. In a game for a million dollars.
[00:50:32] That's got to go.
[00:50:33] Tiffany referenced how Tevin had an extra vote, which added to his threat.
[00:50:38] Charlie worried that the six was going to lead to a path
[00:50:42] where he would get to the end with a bunch of people
[00:50:43] he couldn't beat, one of whom was, of course, Tevin.
[00:50:47] Right now, while I understand Tevin wanting to pull it back a bit
[00:50:51] after the Soda vote, I think he was already too high-profile
[00:50:55] and needed to stay in the mix of the discussion
[00:50:58] so he could better identify what was happening.
[00:51:00] Maybe had things off when his name came up.
[00:51:02] It was not quite as much as, but it would be like Q saying,
[00:51:06] okay, now I'm going to take a back seat.
[00:51:08] No, it's too late. You're already out in front.
[00:51:11] Right. Right.
[00:51:12] He wasn't quite to that level by any means,
[00:51:15] but he was a lot more out front than I think he realized.
[00:51:19] Yes, and I think once the Soda vote happened,
[00:51:22] that put him so much farther in front.
[00:51:25] It pushed him way in front.
[00:51:27] Yes.
[00:51:28] Everyone gets to have enough there.
[00:51:30] Yeah.
[00:51:31] Now, I guess we should briefly mention something
[00:51:34] we already discussed before getting to the rules,
[00:51:37] which as I had mentioned was Tevin's response to Q saying
[00:51:42] he was going to quit.
[00:51:44] If indeed we're right and it was a ploy to see how people would react,
[00:51:49] then like I said, Tevin mentioning that they shouldn't coddle him
[00:51:53] and indicating he'd be okay with Q leaving
[00:51:55] could have been seen by Q as a threat.
[00:51:59] I know it seems like a stretch.
[00:52:01] Sometimes I come in here and I'm like,
[00:52:03] I am certain that this is what happened.
[00:52:06] I'm not saying that with this one.
[00:52:08] I just think it's a possibility.
[00:52:11] I think it's a fair possibility
[00:52:12] because if that is really what Q was doing
[00:52:15] and that was Tevin's response,
[00:52:16] because I do think that Tevin was vocal about that to the group.
[00:52:20] It wasn't something that he was just saying in a little group over here.
[00:52:25] He responded to Jeff about it.
[00:52:27] Yeah.
[00:52:27] I mean, so it was like everybody knew the approach,
[00:52:30] but also that seems like an appropriate response, right?
[00:52:35] Yes.
[00:52:36] If someone says, please vote me out,
[00:52:39] I would be like, okay, and how do you spell your name?
[00:52:42] Okay.
[00:52:42] Yeah.
[00:52:42] Yeah.
[00:52:43] You know, like.
[00:52:44] It's kind of easy.
[00:52:45] Q.
[00:52:49] So I do think that that response coming from Tevin isn't,
[00:52:54] it's not a strange one.
[00:52:55] It makes complete sense.
[00:52:56] But if that is what Q was doing, then yes,
[00:52:59] completely wrong response in that moment where he should have been saying,
[00:53:03] no Q, we want you to stay really.
[00:53:05] Yes.
[00:53:05] Please, please stay.
[00:53:06] Yes.
[00:53:07] Please no, don't go.
[00:53:09] Please.
[00:53:09] No, stop.
[00:53:13] What are you doing?
[00:53:14] Yes.
[00:53:17] All right.
[00:53:17] Well, the seventh rule covers idols and advantages in game mechanics.
[00:53:20] And I just mentioned Tevin's extra vote, which honestly,
[00:53:25] I kind of forgotten about, but the other players hadn't.
[00:53:28] You know, Maria burned her extra vote just before the merge.
[00:53:31] So people wouldn't worry about it becoming a threat.
[00:53:34] But Tevin's was still out there.
[00:53:37] I don't personally consider an extra vote to be that big of a deal.
[00:53:42] Obviously, some players see things differently.
[00:53:45] Yeah.
[00:53:46] And I do think that the extra vote idea is scarier than the way
[00:53:51] that it's been utilized.
[00:53:53] However, when you find yourself in a situation like we have seen
[00:53:58] where people have lost their votes for various things
[00:54:02] and who knows what other strange things Jeff has in store,
[00:54:08] there's a potential that an extra vote could actually have a greater
[00:54:12] effect than it would in just the normal course of things with
[00:54:16] Survivor when everybody has a vote and you don't really need
[00:54:19] to worry about these things as people losing their vote.
[00:54:23] But yes, but I can understand it is an extra concern
[00:54:28] and sometimes it can come down to one vote.
[00:54:30] It really can when you start splitting votes.
[00:54:32] It certainly can.
[00:54:33] It can.
[00:54:35] It's just that how many times has it been used successfully?
[00:54:39] Not many.
[00:54:39] Well, and that's what I'm saying.
[00:54:41] Like it really hasn't.
[00:54:42] I'm curious.
[00:54:43] Wouldn't it be fun if...
[00:54:45] Oh, no, I don't want to say that out loud because I'm going
[00:54:47] to give Jeff an extra idea.
[00:54:49] What?
[00:54:49] To have him trade the extra vote for the rice?
[00:54:52] No.
[00:54:53] If you could carry the extra vote into if you are on the
[00:54:58] jury and then you can vote for a winner.
[00:55:01] Yeah.
[00:55:01] Yeah.
[00:55:03] I don't think Jeff...
[00:55:03] I hesitate to say I don't think even Jeff would do that
[00:55:07] because there's you know, he might but...
[00:55:09] There are so many things he's been willing to do up to
[00:55:12] this point.
[00:55:13] Right.
[00:55:14] Just an idea.
[00:55:15] Yeah.
[00:55:15] Now one interesting thing I want to mention is that we
[00:55:19] thought Tevin had told his tribe a modified version of
[00:55:22] what happened on his journey claiming they didn't know
[00:55:25] who got the extra vote or lost their vote until tribal
[00:55:27] council.
[00:55:29] But it turned out he was telling the absolute truth
[00:55:31] We were just showing it as if he was telling a story.
[00:55:35] He explained in interviews that they really didn't know
[00:55:38] who Maria picked until he later sat out of a challenge.
[00:55:43] Yeah.
[00:55:44] At the same time she did and they compared notes on
[00:55:46] the sidelines.
[00:55:48] Added in.
[00:55:49] I'm surprised that didn't come up when Jalinsky was
[00:55:52] voted out that you know, they really didn't know but
[00:55:57] yeah.
[00:55:58] Even we're still talking about Jalinsky.
[00:56:00] That's right.
[00:56:00] That's right.
[00:56:03] All right.
[00:56:03] Well, we can move to appendix a which is about the
[00:56:05] players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and
[00:56:08] we talked about voting out the week than the strong
[00:56:10] than the week than the strong and we're still at
[00:56:12] the point in the game where players should be targeting
[00:56:13] strong threats as Tiffany said in a slightly different
[00:56:17] way.
[00:56:18] The point of the game where you're just getting out
[00:56:20] obvious targets is done which is the main reason
[00:56:24] people keep letting Venus slide by and as I said
[00:56:28] last week, they probably will until the end.
[00:56:31] Tiffany said it best by noting that Venus hasn't
[00:56:34] done anything other than mentioning Tevin's name to
[00:56:36] people who didn't take her seriously quote who
[00:56:39] cares let her stick around and then she added
[00:56:42] to us Venus thinks she's a power player, but
[00:56:44] she's really not.
[00:56:45] I think I'd rather deal with a nuisance than
[00:56:47] a threat.
[00:56:49] So that explains why they didn't go after the
[00:56:51] person Tevin really wanted out right, but the
[00:56:55] question is were they correct to get rid of him
[00:56:59] instead?
[00:57:01] Well, and this is the part of Survivor that I
[00:57:04] find the most fascinating when there are those
[00:57:08] players that individuals have kind of written off
[00:57:11] and said, you know what?
[00:57:14] They don't matter.
[00:57:15] It'll be fine.
[00:57:16] We'll get to them later.
[00:57:17] And then what happens?
[00:57:18] Oh my gosh, that person is in the final three
[00:57:21] well, right it's taken a spot away from someone
[00:57:23] else or ends up winning like the final, you
[00:57:28] know immunity challenge back when there was no
[00:57:31] fire making I'm thinking of was it Jenna that
[00:57:35] ended up winning that like final and everyone
[00:57:38] wanted her voted out and then she won and then
[00:57:40] she was like, ha look at me.
[00:57:42] I'm now I'm in the finals.
[00:57:44] So there there are those moments, you know,
[00:57:47] Mike Holloway's, you know, we're like they're
[00:57:49] they're winning and then they get there and
[00:57:51] and so that's a real issue.
[00:57:54] That's a potential concern because her story
[00:57:58] if she and I know you've said she probably
[00:58:00] no vote finalist if she makes it to the final
[00:58:01] three, but it's like that scrappy underdog look
[00:58:06] at everything I had to do.
[00:58:07] None of you like me.
[00:58:08] I had to fight to be here.
[00:58:10] I mean, maybe let's just be like, no, no,
[00:58:11] we let you stay because you want to throw
[00:58:12] it to any of us, but we've seen it happen
[00:58:15] more than once where someone is just kind
[00:58:17] of allowed to continue because they will get
[00:58:20] to them later.
[00:58:21] They don't matter that much and then they
[00:58:23] wreak havoc or they find their way to the
[00:58:25] final three, right?
[00:58:26] Right.
[00:58:27] But okay, was it right to get rid of Tevin?
[00:58:31] Did the other players make the right move?
[00:58:33] Well, yes.
[00:58:34] I mean so but I'm just saying there could
[00:58:36] this could be one of those situations
[00:58:38] where if they're showing Tiffany saying
[00:58:41] who cares about her, I bet you Tiffany
[00:58:43] is going to care about her.
[00:58:44] Yeah.
[00:58:46] I'm just saying.
[00:58:47] Yeah.
[00:58:47] I mean as far as Tevin thing, I would
[00:58:49] I think it's a mixed bag if things were
[00:58:52] as simple as having the six and a few
[00:58:55] additional associates like Liz, then the
[00:58:57] vote would have been pretty easy.
[00:58:59] But as you mentioned earlier, the members
[00:59:02] of the six seem eager to turn on each
[00:59:05] other because of other previous alliances.
[00:59:08] Tim did it with Hunter causing Q to
[00:59:12] turn on Tim.
[00:59:12] Tiffany didn't narrow her focus down
[00:59:15] to just those outside the six when
[00:59:16] talking to Tevin.
[00:59:17] So Tevin and Q turned on her and then
[00:59:20] after Liz brought up turning on her own
[00:59:22] tight ally Tevin, various members of the
[00:59:24] six were all over that because of the
[00:59:26] threat level they saw from him.
[00:59:28] Right.
[00:59:28] As far as alliances go, Charlie hit
[00:59:31] the nail on the head in saying it
[00:59:33] was quote probably the shakiest six
[00:59:36] that's ever existed.
[00:59:38] And then later he said that the
[00:59:40] alliance had quote zero legs.
[00:59:42] It's going nowhere and quote.
[00:59:45] It's the loosest use of the word
[00:59:46] alliance that has ever existed.
[00:59:49] Yes.
[00:59:50] I think milk it for everything you
[00:59:51] can Charlie get all the information
[00:59:53] you can from the six and then you'll
[00:59:56] know what's going on in the game.
[00:59:57] Right.
[00:59:58] I mean everyone just keeps turning on
[00:59:59] their allies because they're worried
[01:00:01] about losing to them at the end or
[01:00:03] because of some other seemingly silly
[01:00:06] reason and it's just become a free
[01:00:07] for all in this point.
[01:00:09] Yeah, so it'll be like who will
[01:00:11] be in the final three Ben Venus
[01:00:13] and who else is not in the six of his
[01:00:16] point?
[01:00:17] Everyone who is not in the six.
[01:00:19] Yeah, Kenzie.
[01:00:20] Kenzie there we go.
[01:00:22] Oh my gosh, wouldn't that be hilarious?
[01:00:24] I think Kenzie wins but yes, I don't
[01:00:27] disagree.
[01:00:28] Yeah.
[01:00:30] Now the question has come up as to
[01:00:32] whether Hunter should have played
[01:00:33] his idol for Tevin.
[01:00:35] I would have to say no for a couple
[01:00:37] reasons first.
[01:00:38] I don't know that Hunter ever
[01:00:39] accepted that Tevin was indeed going
[01:00:41] to be voted out.
[01:00:42] He rejected it initially when Q told
[01:00:44] him and then he scrambled to try to
[01:00:46] you know make it not happen and
[01:00:48] based on him voting for Venus at
[01:00:50] Tribal Council, I really doubt anyone
[01:00:53] told him the truth of what was
[01:00:54] happening even though all the others
[01:00:57] clearly knew it.
[01:00:59] Yeah, and I think too he was
[01:01:01] putting a lot of faith in what
[01:01:02] he was being told by Tevin who
[01:01:04] was his number one.
[01:01:06] And Tevin is saying vote Venus
[01:01:08] and so Hunter was like, okay,
[01:01:11] because I don't I mean you saw
[01:01:12] Hunter he is head in his hands
[01:01:14] didn't know what's going on.
[01:01:16] Right.
[01:01:16] And so I think it was one of
[01:01:18] those situations where he is
[01:01:20] relying on or was relying on
[01:01:22] Tevin very heavily when it came
[01:01:24] to that social component, the
[01:01:26] strategic component.
[01:01:28] I don't feel like Hunter has
[01:01:30] connected with as many people
[01:01:32] as Tevin has and so I do
[01:01:34] think that Hunter was relying
[01:01:36] very heavily on Tevin's read of
[01:01:39] what was going on in the game
[01:01:40] and the information that Tevin
[01:01:41] had because I just don't think
[01:01:43] Hunter is is accumulating that
[01:01:44] much as far as that information.
[01:01:47] Yeah.
[01:01:48] Now the second reason that I say
[01:01:50] that he should not have played
[01:01:51] it is even if he did know Tevin
[01:01:53] was going Hunter hopefully
[01:01:56] realizes that he's going to
[01:01:57] need that idol himself for the
[01:01:59] next time he doesn't win
[01:02:01] immunity.
[01:02:02] I'm not hanging upside down.
[01:02:04] Yes, I was going to say
[01:02:06] Lord have mercy.
[01:02:08] That's one reason I'm not
[01:02:09] fully sure he knows that he's
[01:02:11] going to need that protection.
[01:02:14] But he should because he will
[01:02:16] the six isn't going to protect
[01:02:18] him.
[01:02:19] No and wow, why would you
[01:02:21] show everyone?
[01:02:22] I mean they've already seen his
[01:02:23] abilities but yeah my god
[01:02:26] that was impressive.
[01:02:27] Yes it was.
[01:02:30] Yeah.
[01:02:32] All right.
[01:02:32] Well we can move to appendix
[01:02:33] B which is about the jury
[01:02:34] phase and while Tevin wasn't
[01:02:36] sent to the jury for any
[01:02:38] specific reason in terms of
[01:02:39] like planting him there to
[01:02:40] vote for someone he was
[01:02:43] taken out of the game in part
[01:02:44] because Liz wanted to ensure
[01:02:46] he wouldn't be there at the
[01:02:47] end to claim credit as the
[01:02:49] master manipulator.
[01:02:51] So she is definitely looking
[01:02:53] ahead to the end game and
[01:02:54] trying to ensure she gets
[01:02:56] there with a combination of
[01:02:58] people that allows her to
[01:02:59] win.
[01:03:01] You know based on what Charlie
[01:03:02] mentioned regarding the six I
[01:03:03] think he is as well.
[01:03:04] There are several people
[01:03:06] looking ahead and realizing
[01:03:07] we don't want Tevin there
[01:03:09] when we get there.
[01:03:10] Yeah, and Tevin I think
[01:03:12] would have done a phenomenal
[01:03:13] job in final travel.
[01:03:15] Oh, oh absolutely.
[01:03:16] He'd have put on a whole
[01:03:18] Shakespearean play.
[01:03:20] He probably would have stood
[01:03:21] up.
[01:03:21] Yes walked about walked
[01:03:23] around.
[01:03:28] I love that.
[01:03:28] No.
[01:03:29] All right.
[01:03:30] Well it is about time to
[01:03:31] wrap things up.
[01:03:32] So what are your final
[01:03:33] thoughts on Tevin?
[01:03:35] I have to say from the
[01:03:36] moment I heard him speak
[01:03:38] and provide information in
[01:03:40] his pregame interviews.
[01:03:42] I was incredibly intrigued
[01:03:44] and fascinated anyone who
[01:03:46] says they want to be Heather
[01:03:47] Chandler.
[01:03:48] I love you.
[01:03:50] I love you very much
[01:03:51] because she is an
[01:03:52] incredible character to
[01:03:54] emulate such an
[01:03:55] incredible person Tevin
[01:03:57] was and I do think
[01:03:59] that he brought a
[01:04:01] certain sense of himself
[01:04:03] to this game.
[01:04:03] We really got to learn
[01:04:04] who Tevin was.
[01:04:05] I know he narrated much
[01:04:07] of the episode so it
[01:04:08] will be interesting to see
[01:04:09] that no longer being a
[01:04:11] component of the of
[01:04:12] the season.
[01:04:13] But overall Tevin really
[01:04:14] did come into this
[01:04:16] game understanding who he
[01:04:17] was understanding how
[01:04:19] other people would perceive
[01:04:20] him. He was very
[01:04:21] cognizant of his concerns
[01:04:22] with Hunter and what
[01:04:24] Hunter was going to think
[01:04:25] about him and was he
[01:04:26] going to think he was
[01:04:27] small and not that
[01:04:28] strong.
[01:04:29] He was very very
[01:04:31] aware of Venus
[01:04:32] going into the game
[01:04:33] wanting to get to know
[01:04:34] Venus wanting to work
[01:04:35] with Venus and then
[01:04:36] realizing very quickly
[01:04:37] that's not a good
[01:04:38] relationship.
[01:04:39] So I have to give
[01:04:40] him so much credit
[01:04:42] for finding those
[01:04:44] people that he connected
[01:04:45] with and figuring
[01:04:47] out a way to maintain
[01:04:48] those connections with
[01:04:49] so many individuals.
[01:04:50] It's not an easy thing
[01:04:51] to do to come into
[01:04:52] a game like this knowing
[01:04:54] nobody knowing nothing
[01:04:55] about them but finding
[01:04:57] something about them
[01:04:58] something as silly
[01:04:59] as a sitcom from
[01:05:01] like 1952
[01:05:04] was that that
[01:05:06] you have a connection
[01:05:07] suddenly.
[01:05:08] And so I really do
[01:05:09] think overall Tevin's
[01:05:11] sense of self allowed
[01:05:12] him to excel
[01:05:13] socially.
[01:05:14] It allowed him to make
[01:05:15] those connections and make
[01:05:16] those bonds.
[01:05:17] However, it really did
[01:05:19] work against him because
[01:05:20] he came in like
[01:05:22] this force that he
[01:05:23] is and people saw
[01:05:24] that and people saw
[01:05:25] that he was going to
[01:05:26] be very
[01:05:28] needed person to
[01:05:29] get through this game
[01:05:31] up to a certain
[01:05:31] point and then when
[01:05:32] the time was right
[01:05:33] they were going to
[01:05:34] strike and that's exactly
[01:05:35] what I think ended up
[01:05:36] happening.
[01:05:36] He became it was
[01:05:37] very clear who Tevin
[01:05:38] was it was very
[01:05:39] clear that he was a
[01:05:40] huge threat to win
[01:05:41] this game and
[01:05:43] someone needed to
[01:05:44] take him out and
[01:05:45] they did they stepped
[01:05:46] up and when you
[01:05:47] have so many
[01:05:49] alliances and
[01:05:50] only one person
[01:05:52] really has your
[01:05:53] back at that point.
[01:05:54] I think that speaks
[01:05:55] volumes of the fact
[01:05:55] that you are truly
[01:05:57] a threat and that
[01:05:58] people are concerned
[01:05:59] you're going to win
[01:05:59] this game.
[01:06:00] So sorry Tevin
[01:06:01] to see you go,
[01:06:02] but I do hope someday
[01:06:03] you get to play
[01:06:04] Heather Chandler.
[01:06:05] That would be amazing.
[01:06:08] Tevin.
[01:06:10] My way.
[01:06:10] Oh here we go.
[01:06:13] He had so much
[01:06:14] potential.
[01:06:16] As I said in our
[01:06:18] preview podcast,
[01:06:19] I liked him from
[01:06:19] the moment I saw
[01:06:20] him on the initial
[01:06:21] commercials for the
[01:06:22] season and I was
[01:06:24] right to think that
[01:06:25] his personality would
[01:06:26] be infectious and
[01:06:27] being an actor
[01:06:28] would help him
[01:06:28] connect with people.
[01:06:30] Tevin wanted people
[01:06:31] to underestimate him.
[01:06:33] I just don't
[01:06:34] think it ever
[01:06:34] happened.
[01:06:35] He was the
[01:06:36] central hub in the
[01:06:37] Nami tribe and
[01:06:39] would have been
[01:06:39] safe if they
[01:06:40] had ever gone to
[01:06:41] tribal council.
[01:06:42] That carried
[01:06:43] over into the
[01:06:43] merge as he had
[01:06:44] alliances with
[01:06:45] everyone on his
[01:06:46] own tribe except
[01:06:46] Venus, a separate
[01:06:48] one with Maria
[01:06:49] from their
[01:06:49] journey and was
[01:06:50] brought into the
[01:06:51] six.
[01:06:52] Everybody wanted to
[01:06:53] work with him
[01:06:55] until he made his
[01:06:56] move against Soda
[01:06:57] and Liz realized
[01:06:58] where she stood
[01:06:59] relative to him,
[01:07:01] which was in his
[01:07:02] shadow.
[01:07:03] It didn't seem
[01:07:04] very difficult for
[01:07:05] her to rally votes
[01:07:06] against him
[01:07:07] because they all saw
[01:07:10] the same thing that
[01:07:11] she saw.
[01:07:11] That he was a
[01:07:12] huge threat if he
[01:07:13] was allowed to
[01:07:14] proceed.
[01:07:15] All of his
[01:07:16] positives turned
[01:07:18] into negatives.
[01:07:19] He was likeable
[01:07:20] but too likeable.
[01:07:21] He had allies
[01:07:22] but too many
[01:07:23] allies.
[01:07:24] He got people
[01:07:25] to work together
[01:07:26] but it was too
[01:07:26] much control.
[01:07:28] Tevin said in his
[01:07:29] pregame interviews
[01:07:31] that he was
[01:07:31] opposed to final
[01:07:33] four fire making
[01:07:34] and we cheered him
[01:07:35] for him and still
[01:07:36] do.
[01:07:37] Ironically,
[01:07:38] it was Liz
[01:07:39] whose own hot
[01:07:40] take
[01:07:41] is that she likes
[01:07:42] final four fire making
[01:07:44] who sparked
[01:07:45] the blaze among
[01:07:46] other players
[01:07:47] to snuff
[01:07:48] Tevin's torch.
[01:07:50] And that
[01:07:51] is why Tevin lost.
[01:07:52] See, it all comes
[01:07:53] back to fire making
[01:07:54] at four.
[01:07:55] Yes.
[01:07:56] Oh,
[01:07:57] goodness.
[01:08:00] All right.
[01:08:00] That silliness.
[01:08:02] Well,
[01:08:02] before we get
[01:08:03] to predictions
[01:08:04] for the next
[01:08:05] episode,
[01:08:06] I want to
[01:08:06] remind everyone
[01:08:07] that the rules
[01:08:08] we just discussed
[01:08:08] are available
[01:08:09] in both
[01:08:10] poster form.
[01:08:11] That's right.
[01:08:12] T-shirt form.
[01:08:14] So again,
[01:08:15] just go to
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[01:08:16] slash yxlostfeed.
[01:08:20] Yes,
[01:08:20] you should.
[01:08:24] And until then,
[01:08:25] where can people
[01:08:26] find us?
[01:08:27] Oh,
[01:08:27] we're doing that.
[01:08:28] But that's before
[01:08:29] we do the prediction.
[01:08:30] Yes, it has been.
[01:08:31] I'm still thrown off
[01:08:33] right now.
[01:08:34] Okay,
[01:08:35] so people can
[01:08:36] maybe find me
[01:08:37] at JessicaLewis.com
[01:08:38] and I'll
[01:08:39] find me at
[01:08:39] JessicaLewis89
[01:08:40] on Twitter.
[01:08:41] And I say maybe
[01:08:42] because I don't post
[01:08:42] as much as I used to,
[01:08:43] but I do
[01:08:44] live tweet.
[01:08:45] This past Wednesday,
[01:08:46] I was a little bit busy.
[01:08:47] So,
[01:08:48] unfortunately,
[01:08:48] I could not.
[01:08:49] However,
[01:08:49] I did play catch up.
[01:08:50] So,
[01:08:51] but you certainly
[01:08:52] can check me out there.
[01:08:53] I'm at
[01:08:53] JessicaLewis6789
[01:08:56] on Instagram.
[01:08:57] However,
[01:08:58] my co-host
[01:08:59] over here,
[01:09:01] David Bloomberg
[01:09:02] is everywhere.
[01:09:03] He is
[01:09:04] so much so
[01:09:05] that he has
[01:09:06] an entire page
[01:09:07] dedicated
[01:09:08] to all of the places
[01:09:10] you can find
[01:09:10] all of the
[01:09:11] David Bloomberg
[01:09:11] content.
[01:09:12] And there it is.
[01:09:13] It's on the screen
[01:09:14] for those watching.
[01:09:14] David Bloomberg,
[01:09:15] take it away.
[01:09:16] Yes,
[01:09:16] you can find
[01:09:17] all of my accounts
[01:09:18] through my link tree
[01:09:19] at linktree
[01:09:20] slash David Bloomberg
[01:09:21] with a dot
[01:09:22] before the E E
[01:09:23] and the URL
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[01:09:26] Or you could find me
[01:09:27] on Twitter
[01:09:29] and Blue Sky
[01:09:30] as at David Bloomberg
[01:09:32] and
[01:09:33] on the video platforms
[01:09:35] TikTok,
[01:09:35] YouTube,
[01:09:35] and Instagram
[01:09:36] as at David Bloomberg TV.
[01:09:38] I'm also at David Bloomberg TV
[01:09:39] on threads
[01:09:40] because that's connected
[01:09:41] to Instagram.
[01:09:42] I apparently
[01:09:43] was a little bit ahead
[01:09:44] of the game.
[01:09:45] I had mentioned that
[01:09:45] I'm not
[01:09:47] posting to post
[01:09:49] anymore a few weeks
[01:09:50] ago and then post just
[01:09:51] announced they're
[01:09:52] probably shutting down.
[01:09:53] So clearly
[01:09:54] it was me.
[01:09:55] It was me leaving
[01:09:56] that caused that.
[01:09:57] Look at you.
[01:09:57] You're causing
[01:09:58] winter picks
[01:09:59] to get voted out.
[01:10:00] Now you're shutting down
[01:10:01] whole websites.
[01:10:02] That's right.
[01:10:05] I mentioned,
[01:10:06] you know,
[01:10:06] I on Tic Tac
[01:10:07] Instagram and YouTube.
[01:10:08] I'm posting two
[01:10:09] or three videos per day.
[01:10:10] I'm of course
[01:10:12] posting clips from
[01:10:12] US Survivor
[01:10:13] plus from other shows
[01:10:15] like Deal or No Deal
[01:10:16] and Amazing Race.
[01:10:17] Although for some reason
[01:10:18] I just haven't found
[01:10:19] many clips from Amazing Race
[01:10:21] I have to say
[01:10:23] and the circle
[01:10:23] just started.
[01:10:24] So I'm sure that
[01:10:25] I will have some clips
[01:10:26] there too.
[01:10:27] Now one more thing
[01:10:28] before we talk about
[01:10:30] predictions for next week
[01:10:31] and that is
[01:10:32] that you won't be here
[01:10:33] next week to find out
[01:10:35] how your predictions do.
[01:10:36] You will be at Adam
[01:10:37] Klein's wedding.
[01:10:39] I will be.
[01:10:40] So instead
[01:10:41] I will be joined by
[01:10:43] Survivor 44
[01:10:44] Heidi Lagueres Greenblatt.
[01:10:46] Yay!
[01:10:47] Thank you Heidi.
[01:10:48] I appreciate you
[01:10:49] so much for stepping in.
[01:10:51] I will miss you David.
[01:10:52] I will miss
[01:10:53] our listeners.
[01:10:54] However,
[01:10:54] I will be getting to
[01:10:56] have a great time
[01:10:57] with some prior
[01:10:58] Survivor players
[01:10:59] friends of mine.
[01:10:59] I'm excited to see Adam.
[01:11:00] I'm very happy
[01:11:02] and ready to celebrate
[01:11:03] with him
[01:11:04] and his bride-to-be.
[01:11:05] Yes.
[01:11:06] All right.
[01:11:08] Time for predictions.
[01:11:10] The preview
[01:11:11] showed us
[01:11:12] that next week
[01:11:14] people are pissed at you
[01:11:15] which is
[01:11:16] the clearest surprise.
[01:11:19] And then there's also
[01:11:20] some other people turning on
[01:11:22] on one another as well
[01:11:23] and you know,
[01:11:24] then you've got kind of
[01:11:25] Charlie and Maria
[01:11:26] sitting in the center
[01:11:27] you know just looking around
[01:11:29] and in a good position
[01:11:30] I think.
[01:11:32] However,
[01:11:33] I think the first thing
[01:11:34] I mentioned is key
[01:11:35] and I know it goes
[01:11:36] against you Bickey's law
[01:11:37] to suggest this.
[01:11:39] But I really think people
[01:11:40] are just going to be
[01:11:41] fed up with Q.
[01:11:43] You know,
[01:11:43] we heard it from some players
[01:11:44] even in tribal council.
[01:11:46] He will not have the
[01:11:47] six or the five
[01:11:49] or whatever
[01:11:50] to keep him safe.
[01:11:51] His Yanu allies
[01:11:53] know that he revealed
[01:11:54] Tiffany's idol
[01:11:55] plus I'm sure
[01:11:56] that they'll also find out
[01:11:57] he was the one
[01:11:58] pushing to vote her out.
[01:12:01] If he doesn't win immunity
[01:12:02] I do not see
[01:12:04] how he makes it
[01:12:05] past next week's vote.
[01:12:07] That's interesting.
[01:12:09] Well,
[01:12:10] if they take the same
[01:12:12] approach
[01:12:13] that they are to Venus
[01:12:14] where they're like
[01:12:15] well whatever
[01:12:17] he can stick around
[01:12:19] well because
[01:12:21] you don't think
[01:12:22] they're going to do that
[01:12:23] with him?
[01:12:23] Because he's just
[01:12:24] been too much of a force.
[01:12:27] She's never had any power.
[01:12:29] He had power
[01:12:30] and could regain it.
[01:12:32] Yeah.
[01:12:35] I mean they may say that.
[01:12:36] You're right.
[01:12:37] They may say that.
[01:12:38] I just think it would be
[01:12:38] a mistake for them to say that.
[01:12:40] Oh, I don't disagree
[01:12:41] but I'm just
[01:12:42] I'm looking at
[01:12:43] the
[01:12:45] gosh.
[01:12:49] I just
[01:12:50] I'm very
[01:12:51] I'm very
[01:12:52] intrigued
[01:12:53] because this is
[01:12:54] this is where like
[01:12:55] the quiet ones
[01:12:57] just like you said
[01:12:58] Mariah
[01:12:58] or Maria
[01:12:59] and
[01:13:01] Charlie are just kind of
[01:13:02] sitting there
[01:13:03] just listening.
[01:13:04] You know I
[01:13:05] I feel like the focal point
[01:13:06] is no longer going to be
[01:13:08] on those quiet players.
[01:13:10] Ben I think will be
[01:13:12] kind of
[01:13:13] there as well.
[01:13:13] People won't be focusing
[01:13:14] on Ben
[01:13:15] but Hunter is like
[01:13:17] front and center
[01:13:18] as far as
[01:13:19] issues for all of them
[01:13:22] he is
[01:13:22] winning challenges.
[01:13:23] He'll either win a challenge
[01:13:24] or use his idol
[01:13:25] I would think.
[01:13:26] I would think so too.
[01:13:28] I would hope that
[01:13:29] he would realize
[01:13:30] that that's what he needs to do.
[01:13:32] Oh gosh.
[01:13:33] I mean I think you're right.
[01:13:35] I think it has to be Q
[01:13:37] because I don't know
[01:13:38] who is going to
[01:13:39] I mean Tiffany and Kenzie
[01:13:40] are done with him.
[01:13:41] So there's really not
[01:13:43] going to be a whole lot of people
[01:13:44] fighting for him.
[01:13:47] And I think after
[01:13:48] everything that
[01:13:49] that they saw
[01:13:50] and this is why
[01:13:51] I'm very interested to see
[01:13:52] what his response is going to be
[01:13:53] because if he comes back
[01:13:55] and says
[01:13:56] that was all part of my grand plan
[01:13:58] to save Tiffany.
[01:14:00] Well then
[01:14:01] that shows your strategic
[01:14:03] mastermind.
[01:14:03] So who wants that around
[01:14:05] either right?
[01:14:06] Right.
[01:14:06] So I feel like he's going to be
[01:14:08] damned if he does
[01:14:09] damned if he doesn't
[01:14:11] if they don't know what he did
[01:14:12] they're just going to be like
[01:14:13] he needs to go
[01:14:14] and if he tries to explain it
[01:14:15] they're going to be like
[01:14:15] he needs to go.
[01:14:16] So yeah, I agree.
[01:14:17] I think it's going to be Q.
[01:14:18] Okay.
[01:14:19] All right.
[01:14:20] Well we will find out
[01:14:21] and
[01:14:22] I'll be
[01:14:23] I'll be sure to let you know.
[01:14:25] I know.
[01:14:28] Well I'll probably
[01:14:29] I will likely be watching
[01:14:31] it on Wednesday though
[01:14:32] because
[01:14:33] I will be able to watch
[01:14:34] but I just won't be able
[01:14:35] to be involved in the discussion
[01:14:36] of it with you.
[01:14:38] All right.
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[01:16:24] for another great episode
[01:16:27] and for supporting me
[01:16:28] in my time of sorrow.
[01:16:30] You did such a great job.
[01:16:32] I
[01:16:33] you know I was
[01:16:34] I wanted to be so mean
[01:16:35] and I want to just be like
[01:16:37] ha ha someone lost a winner pick
[01:16:39] but then you were crying
[01:16:40] and it was this whole thing.
[01:16:42] Yeah.
[01:16:42] And I did think Tevin was great.
[01:16:43] You heard her pretend to be nice
[01:16:45] I pretend to be crying.
[01:16:47] So
[01:16:47] Yes.
[01:16:48] Yes.
[01:16:49] Tevin it was this guy's fault
[01:16:50] so just know that
[01:16:51] moving forward.
[01:16:52] No of course not.
[01:16:53] I don't know why you would say that.
[01:16:55] Oh yeah the shirt that I'm wearing.
[01:16:57] Yeah that.
[01:16:58] Yeah.
[01:17:00] So you know as I mentioned earlier
[01:17:02] have a great time at Adam's wedding
[01:17:03] pass along my congratulations to them.
[01:17:06] I will.
[01:17:07] We will see you in two weeks
[01:17:08] while Heidi and I will be
[01:17:10] right back here next week
[01:17:11] and of course
[01:17:12] everyone can find me
[01:17:14] pretty much everywhere
[01:17:15] except post.
[01:17:16] Until then.
[01:17:17] So
[01:17:18] all right.
[01:17:19] Bye.
[01:17:20] Bye.
[01:17:24] David and Jessica will turn it around
[01:17:27] they'll break down the rules
[01:17:29] and I'll show you how
[01:17:31] you blamed yourself
[01:17:32] and got voted out.
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