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[00:02:23] If you want to survive or in your feeling down,

[00:02:27] Taving in just a couple turn it around.

[00:02:31] They'll break down the rules and will show you how.

[00:02:34] You play yourself and got voting out.

[00:02:38] This is why blank locks.

[00:02:42] And this is why blind locks.

[00:02:45] Baby this is why blind locks.

[00:02:53] Welcome back to why blank lost.

[00:02:57] I'm David Bloomberg and I'm prepared in case my co host Jessica Lewis shows up with a machete.

[00:03:04] In fact, I'm really prepared.

[00:03:09] I listen so prepared.

[00:03:13] I am prepared for anything.

[00:03:19] I wish I'd known all I have is a pen and some comics.

[00:03:26] So I don't think I'm going to do very well if there's a showdown or anything over here.

[00:03:31] All right, well I was ready for anything. If all you have is a pen,

[00:03:34] I probably only need the one.

[00:03:37] I don't think you need any of those to be just a little honest.

[00:03:40] Just a little.

[00:03:41] I also do have a magic eight ball.

[00:03:43] So I have that.

[00:03:45] I don't think I can do that.

[00:03:48] I'm not going to be able to do that.

[00:03:51] Well, then we need this.

[00:03:54] Oh my goodness.

[00:03:56] So a whole lot of hammers.

[00:03:57] Why do you have so many hammers?

[00:03:59] I have no idea.

[00:04:00] I mean, it's, you know,

[00:04:03] a well known saying goes that to a man with a hammer,

[00:04:08] everything looks like a nail.

[00:04:10] I have five hammers of different types.

[00:04:12] Okay, which is perfect.

[00:04:14] Yes, it's perfect for this point because contrary to the last couple of weeks,

[00:04:18] we have a more complicated situation to discuss with the boat against him.

[00:04:23] But I have a theory.

[00:04:25] Oh, I have a theory too.

[00:04:27] But we have a process in place to hammer out exactly this type of situation.

[00:04:36] Don't do that with hammers or you'll break the.

[00:04:41] I think that's a good idea.

[00:04:43] We will compare her game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one,

[00:04:48] and have been updating ever since using all the non spoiler information available to us.

[00:04:53] From what we saw on TV, interview social media and secret scenes.

[00:04:57] And the newest version of the rules can of course be found by going to our dedicated page at wrap his website.

[00:05:02] I'm slash Y X lost feed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules.

[00:05:07] And it just occurred to me,

[00:05:09] I'm now going to have to do this whole podcast with five hammers right next to me here.

[00:05:15] Not not send down or yeah,

[00:05:17] myself drop a mine of your feet that's.

[00:05:20] Yes, yes, you'll know trust me.

[00:05:22] You'll know.

[00:05:23] But before we address how Jim did in terms of the rules,

[00:05:30] we always have some other things to discuss from the episode.

[00:05:33] And I want to start by saying,

[00:05:35] I was glad to see the survivor trivia challenge on the journey.

[00:05:40] And even happier that they got to choose whether or not to do it because we discussed that before.

[00:05:49] Yeah.

[00:05:50] Now, I will admit as I did on Twitter,

[00:05:54] Twitter was filled with people saying I could have done that challenge.

[00:05:59] It was easy and I was like,

[00:06:01] yes, I don't think I could have.

[00:06:03] I don't think I could have either.

[00:06:05] No.

[00:06:06] And some people may say David and apparently Jessica,

[00:06:09] how can you call yourself a super fan and not know the order of every season?

[00:06:14] We've discussed before that trivia of that type isn't my thing.

[00:06:19] And I didn't want to speak for you but sounds like your thing either.

[00:06:22] Anyone who saw or heard us, I guess they weren't doing seeing at the time who heard us on this weekend survivor history.

[00:06:32] A number of years ago knows trivia is not our thing.

[00:06:37] That's not now.

[00:06:39] I will say there are certain seasons that I would have had no issue at all.

[00:06:43] Right.

[00:06:44] But I feel like it's it's those kind of like.

[00:06:48] I think that's what I was thinking about.

[00:06:51] I was thinking about it in the middle there.

[00:06:54] Things get a little bit swampy and I'm like,

[00:06:56] I don't remember exactly the order of things in those middle but very early on,

[00:07:00] I would have gotten all of those problems.

[00:07:02] Yes, I think at that point when survivor was so fresh and new.

[00:07:06] I was so excited and so into it.

[00:07:09] And then like I still was into it,

[00:07:11] but it's like a cat murky.

[00:07:13] Well,

[00:07:14] I think that's true to.

[00:07:16] I think you know,

[00:07:17] I could give it a good shot and I get most of them right but I just feel like I'd mess up a few because.

[00:07:24] What I remember most about season is the people and the strategies.

[00:07:28] Yes.

[00:07:29] So,

[00:07:30] but all that said,

[00:07:31] I still like using it as a challenge.

[00:07:34] I do appreciate that that was a challenge and I also appreciate the fact that there's a reminder of old school survivor that still exists in this new era.

[00:07:43] I really appreciate that component but I will say the point that you made is incredibly valid about the choice being allowed as opposed to you don't have a choice.

[00:07:54] This was a clear discussion and I'm trying to remember if what if two people had really decided they wanted to do it?

[00:08:01] Was there something in place?

[00:08:03] There was a,

[00:08:04] I didn't go back to it,

[00:08:05] but there was a flash of the rules and I believe that it said they would draw rocks.

[00:08:10] Oh, great.

[00:08:12] Which does lead me to wonder if presuming I saw that right.

[00:08:17] It leads me to wonder did they just skip that part the week before?

[00:08:22] Like did none of them really want to do it or you know and they ended up drawing rocks to end up there?

[00:08:28] Oh, that's that I want to know that answer.

[00:08:32] Yeah.

[00:08:33] Oh, that's fascinating because that really does change things because I do think it should be a choice.

[00:08:38] But also we can go back to the fact that it's not even really a choice because someone else is choosing who's going so there's that component which I don't love.

[00:08:47] But yeah, that would, that would definitely change things if last week it wasn't just a straight up rock draw.

[00:08:53] Interesting.

[00:08:54] Look at you.

[00:08:55] Now, another thing that I want to address is it completely change a topic here is Maria using her extra vote in what seemed to be an unnecessary way because they already had enough to get out.

[00:09:13] Right.

[00:09:14] So there was you know some discussion of this on Twitter and Maria said it was to get rid of the advantage that everybody knew she had before the merge.

[00:09:26] Now, how was it everyone knew she had it?

[00:09:30] Don't ask me questions like that I don't remember.

[00:09:33] I don't remember either.

[00:09:37] Okay, our survivor trivia is very bad.

[00:09:40] Yeah, we can't even remember the beginning of the season.

[00:09:43] Did she just tell everyone?

[00:09:46] I mean because I know that she didn't she get that from going on that she went on the journey presumably yeah.

[00:09:52] Well, that's when she and then is that was she got it?

[00:09:55] Yes, yeah, I mean that's the only way you could have gotten it so yes.

[00:09:58] So I guess maybe she just told everyone well, I think no, I think also there was it was a situation where

[00:10:05] the others knew about it.

[00:10:07] God, this is bad.

[00:10:09] We should not we should move on moving on anyone else who's listening who knows the answer just let us know sorry and that was like you know weeks ago so it was just I remember you everybody knew about it and that was the important.

[00:10:22] Well, and I feel at this point we can kind of assume that everybody always knows about everything because everybody tells everyone about everything except Jim.

[00:10:30] Weirdly yes, so now.

[00:10:34] Going back to the fact that she had this it you know it does make sense why keep a possible target on yourself.

[00:10:43] And you know we also served as a little backup in case although I'm not sure I didn't run through all the possible permutations.

[00:10:52] I think Rob and Stephen did somewhat but you know the primary purpose anyway was just to burn it because we know from history that extra votes rarely help and often end up hurting so I think it was perfectly reasonable to do that.

[00:11:09] Yeah, it does make sense and I think she was even more clear because of what she wrote down a name that I believe she was the only one who called Jim that particular name as well.

[00:11:21] So it was even more apparent that that was her extra vote I mean I guess if you really want to be that clear you could actually write extra vote.

[00:11:32] This is this is the extra vote in case anyone needed to know but yeah, I mean that that does make sense if she's not interested in having a target on her back come merge but also then don't tell anyone about it if you can avoid that that would be great too because then maybe you could have it after the merge and you will.

[00:11:50] And you wouldn't be in a situation where you have to use it so you can take a target off your back there's that whole thing too yes yes although I do.

[00:12:00] We should stop talking about it before we get you know but if she had the option to not say anything then yes.

[00:12:07] If we knew that bit of information this would make so much more sense yes yes you can't spring these questions on me you know about things that happen like four episodes.

[00:12:18] I'm not only a podcast about the season of survival. I know.

[00:12:22] I'm so sorry.

[00:12:24] I won't ask anymore questions about it well you should have known to end.

[00:12:29] I know I should have but that's why I asked you because I was relying upon you to know the answer and people wonder why we're not going to be able to put you know trivia from previous.

[00:12:40] Yeah we can't even remember this season sorry listeners were terrible.

[00:12:46] About those little things about those.

[00:12:51] Gosh now of course I'm sorry I just had to bring up our trivia because I believe the question we lost on was what kind of what team was on somebody's hat okay like that was the type of trivia question that we were asked and it wasn't it wasn't Boston Rob that would have been a lot.

[00:13:08] It was not Boston Rob which would have been a much easier question it was definitely not Boston Rob so any who moving.

[00:13:16] Now there were other things going on which of course I'll be putting and already have put some in my tech talks at David Bloomberg TV is there anything else you wanted to discuss before we move on.

[00:13:29] No I think we're okay because now I'm just trying to remember things.

[00:13:36] Listeners viewers we will have gone back and looked this up by the time this is published so you don't need to tell us we appreciate it but we'll figure it out yeah I mean and I think the most fun component that I would like to talk about is going to be about gem so yes you know we can just.

[00:13:51] Well the least fun component is that unfortunately we need to bring back the Jeff Perp's is wrong about blank segment this week because he had his podcast and it was raised the question of hey when are you going to stop taking away the players.

[00:14:11] I know and he said he would not in fact he wanted a bowl horn to yell it saying the new era is here earn everything penalties for losing expect more of that this is what survivor is about if you want to experience go find another show this is survivor this is why people want it because there is a penalty for losing because you have to survive without flint so no no no no no Jeff I love you.

[00:14:40] You're amazing incredible thank you for the opportunity that you provided me however no let me ask you just want to play survivor yes is that why you went on survivor because there was a penalty for losing because there could be surviving without flint.

[00:15:00] Oh I listen I practiced with flint before I went out there because I knew that it was going to be important so it's something that every survivor understands is a significant part of the game period absolutely but the whole idea behind survivor is the social experiment outweigh outplay outlast not out flint or out not lose your things.

[00:15:28] I don't like this is a piece is game about people right and I understand that Jeff has this idea that if you take things away and you make people more uncomfortable then it's going to be more difficult for them but then what do you create you create a group of individuals who can barely function who continue to lose challenges which is not fun for viewers to watch because they have no food they have no energy they haven't been able to actually.

[00:15:54] Survive in the barest elements and with the most minimal amount of things because you want to take their flint away I understand that there is a an idea behind it and and a goal but that goal is negatively affecting the players ability to just play the game that we all have grown to love and that is the social component and the fact that people need to.

[00:16:20] Survive yes but they also need to survive each other and they need to be like have the energy and ability to do that and you're taking it away from them and I just I don't agree with that that's not why I think anyone wants to play this game if you want a challenge like that go on too lost is at the name of the show or like you have our loan excuse me alone that's what it is going alone and then.

[00:16:42] You can try to actually survive go and make it an afraid you know I mean that's fine but like not going the one where they send you to Alaska where you that's what that's a long where they just like you're off on your yes that's not with this it yes survivor is about surviving but it's also about surviving the people.

[00:17:01] And not just not not the lack of flint which is the lack of food which is the lack of right energy everything right and the other thing is.

[00:17:12] You know Jeff's like well this is what survivor is about no not until you suddenly decided it a few years ago right and you know what else is survivor about oh I don't know voting but he keeps taking votes away yeah.

[00:17:26] And it's also about competing but like you said it ends up making one team very bad at that very often you can't can be you know and then when you can't compete then you can't win immunity and then.

[00:17:42] You're constantly going to tribal council and it's just it's defeating the whole purpose of the game and you're eliminating an entire tribe because they literally haven't eaten in 10 days right or slept right.

[00:17:54] So yeah alright I remembered why she got the extra vote popped into my head or popped up onto my screen one of the two but it was and why everybody knows

[00:18:11] it was the three card game with Jolinski and where Jolinski folded remember that she had that's when she went on the journey right but that's why everybody knows because it was obvious who got the extra vote that she and she and Tevin got extra votes in Jolinski lost his vote all three of them.

[00:18:30] Obviously everyone why was that obvious to everyone on her tribe without a roll in every one on her tribe she shared it with everyone but the thing is everyone else on the other two tribes would have known anyway she had to presume and so she wouldn't want to go into the merge with that that was understood yeah okay so she told everyone in anticipation that they were all going to find out come merge anyway well or come next journey or something like that yeah.

[00:18:57] These journeys need to stop to just saying.

[00:19:01] Alright now before we move to the rules I do have one more thing because Jessica do you know what season is not season that survivor season what season on the calendar it is.

[00:19:15] Wait what are you talking about on this like spring in general yeah it's peeps season oh gosh that's right you know I need to send my mom peeps yeah you better hurry well actually I'd wait till Monday yes when I when I brought these home from the store.

[00:19:34] You know my wife lots of my wife said but we don't celebrate Easter and I said yes but I do celebrate peeps.

[00:19:43] You do and you eat lots of peeps but you also like them stale right yeah I like them anyway but yes that's still.

[00:19:53] My mother prefers them stale which I think is fascinating I am now we have discussed peeps and I'm not trying to bore anyone with our peep discussions I don't love peeps I don't hate peeps I choose not to eat them because it's just one of those things and I'm like I could go without a peep but you.

[00:20:13] You do love the peeps I'm a peep pull person.

[00:20:20] My mom she is as well yes yes so you know of course go you know the Monday after Easter when they go on sale that's when you get them.

[00:20:29] Well I was going to order her some and just like send them if she's listening now she'll know I was gonna send her some peeps because she's well she's not not like she's next door she's far away from me so.

[00:20:39] I mean you giving away the surprise you know that yes I am hi mom I'm gonna send you peeps yeah.

[00:20:49] I'll be very excited.

[00:20:51] All right well now before we get to how gem did we do want to mention that the rules were about to discuss coming a shorter and much more colorful version

[00:20:59] Yes they do and I also want to post her I promise I'm gonna send it to you.

[00:21:05] Go to rapiswebsite.com slash yxloss feeds scroll down to the poster click on it order it and then Jessica will say on a podcast oh I owe someone a poster in it'll be you.

[00:21:16] That's right that's right it'll happen and then you can keep scrolling and get a poster on a t-shirt or or end get a checklist on it.

[00:21:29] Yes and get both and get one get all get everything.

[00:21:33] Can I give can I tell you a little funny story about the shipping of the posters just decide.

[00:21:37] Sure so I went to send out two posters the other day and I went on my way to work I stopped at the post office for hand

[00:21:45] and I have to buy these boxes that I get from the post office right and they were having a problem with their like machine it wasn't working

[00:21:55] so I'm like can I just write you a check and they said no and I was like okay um so I couldn't send out the posters that morning

[00:22:02] then I had to go back to the post office the next day and I was like this is just silliness like I need to just send these posters out

[00:22:09] so I did send them out but I just want to say the boxes it's frustrating sometimes to get the boxes because

[00:22:15] sometimes they don't have them at the post office and they've bought me entire boxes of these boxes

[00:22:20] so it's a whole thing but the shipping department tries really hard to make sure that everyone gets their posters on time

[00:22:26] and sometimes it's not my fault so I apologize if they're a little bit late I just want to share okay

[00:22:35] all right well again you can go to rapidswebsite.com slash yx lust tree

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[00:26:14] all right well the show suggested that gem was voted out because she was too forceful when dealing

[00:26:20] with her tributes. gem said in her interviews that it was actually because of sharing her personal

[00:26:27] story wasn't really either of these or could there be other reasons that the vote switched from

[00:26:33] what she thought was going to happen to blind siding her instead time to figure out why gem lost

[00:26:41] the first and most important rule is to scheme a plot and we know from both the show and gem's

[00:26:47] interviews that she had what seemed to be a solid alliance and was strategizing with them on

[00:26:52] a regular basis despite not going to tribal council for a week and a half. We we know she was in

[00:26:58] the Charlie's Angels Alliance and she expanded on that in her interviews for example telling Mike

[00:27:04] Bloom we made sure that every single day we're checking in with each other to see if we're still okay

[00:27:09] like one-on-ones and as a group. And of course checking in with your allies is specifically mentioned

[00:27:16] in this rule so that was good to hear. Beyond that gem also said that she Maria and Tim had an

[00:27:23] alliance that they knew they weren't going to go with they being she and Maria or I guess at this

[00:27:30] point we should say she knew she wasn't going to go with it because it looks like Maria did indeed

[00:27:36] at least for now. So gem noted to Rob that the Charlie's Angels Alliance even had a preset plan for

[00:27:47] what would happen if they lost the immunity challenge. They would have one-on-one conversations

[00:27:51] with the others so it wasn't like she was just running around pushing last minute discussions

[00:27:56] in the way it might have seemed on the show which is why I'm bringing this up now instead of

[00:28:01] in the second rule which if we believed what we saw on TV that would have been a violation of the

[00:28:07] second rule but I really don't think it was. Well I feel like there was a really interesting

[00:28:13] combination of things happening. I don't necessarily agree wholeheartedly like that is the reason

[00:28:20] why that she was pushing too hard however I do feel like there's there was something happening

[00:28:26] with this tribe where she I feel like really wanted to play the game and I feel like there was

[00:28:35] a desire of other people to not necessarily want to play the game until they had to

[00:28:41] and so I think there was a little bit of headbutting happening there where she wasn't finding a good

[00:28:47] balance like I think someone like Maria wants to play the game but I think Maria is doing a really

[00:28:53] good job or is it Mariah excuse me Mariah Mo I have to remember that she seems to find have found

[00:28:59] that balance better and that I just feel like Gem probably came across as a little more excited

[00:29:07] and interested and that can be intimidating to someone like Ben who I think is taking a much more

[00:29:15] kind of laid back approach to the game like we don't really need to play yet because we haven't

[00:29:19] lost yet so we're fine we don't need to worry about this and Charlie is kind of falling into that

[00:29:24] same place yeah so I think that there is some truth to that that she was probably pushing a little

[00:29:31] bit more just because she was playing the game and I think that the approach to the rest of the team

[00:29:36] was playing or the rest of the tribe was not in that same game. Yeah I think Stephen brought

[00:29:41] something like that up on Know It Alls where he said you have to run at the same speed as the rest

[00:29:46] of your truck. Yes and yeah she once we get to rule two and another rule also you know we'll

[00:29:56] we'll talk definitely talk more about that I just don't think it was what we were shown because

[00:30:03] what we were shown was her like going to Tim and pressuring Tim and apparently going to Ben

[00:30:09] and pressuring Ben and either of those things actually happened in that way as we'll discuss

[00:30:15] in real life. Right right now in her pregame interview Jim said she didn't want to be the person

[00:30:23] out front making the big moves but rather in the background planting the seeds and what she was

[00:30:31] doing with the Beware Advantage clue was I mean not the replanting of it but the

[00:30:39] putting I you know getting people to think it was Tim that's what she was talking about

[00:30:45] because she wasn't actively saying it must be Tim. She was saying things like Tim sure is putting

[00:30:52] in a lot of effort and then letting others pick up on that and kind of thinking from there.

[00:30:58] I'll have more thoughts on the idea of trying to frame Tim later but let's just say the methodology

[00:31:05] was sound decision maybe not the methodology was sound. Yes and I think that Jim is the type of

[00:31:11] player that again we've seen this so many times where there's a plan in place when they like this

[00:31:17] is how I want to play the game and I think Jim was really trying to do all of the things that she

[00:31:22] set out to do. She said I want to do this and this is what she did I want to do this and this is

[00:31:26] what she did and I think that she is a perfect example of someone who probably needed to adjust

[00:31:33] so she was playing at the same pace as you already suggested as the rest of her tribe because

[00:31:38] sometimes those best late plans you know don't really get you where you want to go if everyone else

[00:31:44] does not kind of following along so I think that she was really kind of headstrong and this is how

[00:31:49] I want to play and that's what she was doing which is great she had a strategy she wanted to do it

[00:31:53] however that strategy didn't meld with the people that she was playing with. Yes speaking of strategies

[00:32:02] not melding um the strategy uh in the way that she proposed they split the votes because of the

[00:32:11] fake possibility that Tim might have an idol right that was wrong too um you know obviously

[00:32:19] it didn't really matter because she knew Tim didn't have an idol but the other two didn't

[00:32:24] and yet she proposed that this idea to them which one one of them should have said something like

[00:32:33] well why are we doing it that way but we can also apply this generally because she talked about

[00:32:40] how two votes would go on um sorry I have the wrong I see she then changed it in her interviews so

[00:32:51] it's a little confusing here because she talked about putting two votes on Tim and three votes on Ben

[00:32:57] even though Tim was the one with the idol and she changed it when she explained it in her interviews

[00:33:04] and I don't know if it changed while they were still in Fiji or it changed in her mind after

[00:33:13] they left Fiji but the point is you only flush an idol if a person plays it which means

[00:33:22] you need to know to play it right that's why if you're saying I want to flush an idol you put the

[00:33:30] larger number of votes on the person with the idol so that one of two things happens they play

[00:33:36] the idol and it is flushed or they don't play the idol and they are flushed and putting more votes

[00:33:44] on the person who you don't think has the idol means that the person who does have the idol can just

[00:33:51] hold on to it right now who were they hoping was going to spill the beans I don't think they were

[00:33:58] hoping anyone was going to spill the beans so that's another part of the other problem yeah that if

[00:34:04] Tim didn't know that he was going to be targeted he's not going to play his idol right and I will say

[00:34:10] that splitting the votes makes sense if you are unsure if someone has an idol so we're like okay well

[00:34:17] split the votes in that way regardless of what happens one of those two people goes home but if

[00:34:23] you really do truly believe that this half has the idol then yes you need to break up that split

[00:34:28] in a different fashion and that person should probably have some inkling that they could be the

[00:34:33] one going home otherwise it's for not yeah and as I said they may have corrected this out there

[00:34:40] and we just can see it but the information we have is conflicting and either way this is something

[00:34:48] that keeps coming up on survivor various versions of survivor so I wanted to mention it you know

[00:34:54] come on people this is how you split the vote people should do that exactly but I will say like when

[00:35:00] I was out there and we were discussing our first vote I was explaining a split vote to people who

[00:35:10] are with me and they weren't understanding why we needed to split the vote and I was like well

[00:35:16] because we have the numbers and just in case something wonky happens we want to make sure

[00:35:24] God forbid someone has an idol and it was like there was like this light bulb moment like oh you know

[00:35:30] it's like so I don't know if everyone is always cognizant of the numbers and how things

[00:35:37] I feel like these days they are oh and I don't disagree but I feel like sometimes when you're out

[00:35:42] there in the elements and then you're like oh wait why would we why would we do that instead of

[00:35:47] being well there's six of us so if all six are to do this uh and then that person has an idol

[00:35:53] that's going to be a problem so we need to make sure that we think about that and but then also I will

[00:35:58] say that there seems to be a hesitancy sometimes for who is going to be the outlier and put someone

[00:36:04] else's name because then sometimes you channel it on yourself for a different reason and so there's

[00:36:08] a lot of things that can come through a player's mind when they're trying to determine how to split

[00:36:13] the vote but there has to be everyone on the same page and everyone understanding all the

[00:36:19] permutations of it in order for it to successfully work yeah yeah exactly um

[00:36:26] now another thing since you were just discussing how some people didn't uh you know quite get this

[00:36:32] concept I think this is appropriate too and I don't think this applies to Jim but

[00:36:36] Jim is another player this season whose husband is the superfan and introduced her to the show a

[00:36:42] few years ago so once again we have the question of how she binge did whether she had enough time

[00:36:48] and other resources to truly absorb everything um this one is more difficult to evaluate so

[00:36:57] I'm not going to take a stance either way there was nothing that particularly jumped out at me in

[00:37:02] the same way it did for certain other people we discussed last week um but I did want to mention

[00:37:10] it happened again you know yeah the same sort of thing yeah now one more thing that I wanted

[00:37:18] to discuss in the first rule is that some people have suggested that Jim got too comfortable

[00:37:23] and I guess it's possible because things seemed to be going according to plan

[00:37:31] but it also appears she did everything she needed to in terms of working with the people she believed

[00:37:36] were her allies but one thing she was missing was a solid number one you know last season we

[00:37:44] joked about people having multiple number ones right Jim has as far as we could tell no number one

[00:37:51] um I was thinking about this and then survivor 43 James mentioned it to me as well

[00:37:57] and by the way spoiler alert for the end of the podcast uh when we're going to announce

[00:38:01] that James will be on with us next week but uh I was already chatting with him as we somewhat

[00:38:07] frequently do and you know he he mentioned this too and when he mentioned it you know I was all

[00:38:14] right like I said I was already thinking about this but it really put some more focus on it

[00:38:19] because almost everyone else on the tribe has at least one person looking out for them yeah

[00:38:26] you know Jim thought she had three people but that doesn't help when two of them turn uh there wasn't

[00:38:35] anyone to alert her and yeah that's a big reason she had absolutely no idea it was coming they out

[00:38:42] skiing her yes and I will say too that the idea of her being comfortable I do feel like there's

[00:38:49] something to be said about a confidence that you can have when you know you are in a better place

[00:38:56] where you're like you have some safety and this is something that's come up on our podcast previously

[00:39:01] that there's this this idea of what an idol can make you feel like because you know that you

[00:39:09] are safe and you know that you don't have to worry but that's only if you know to play it right so it's

[00:39:15] it there's a possibility and I'm curious if she wasn't exuding some type of

[00:39:20] something you know it's maybe a little more confidence or just something that made the other people

[00:39:27] around her question a little bit what was happening because maybe she you know like I go back to

[00:39:34] the digging scene right when everyone's digging in the dirt and she's not and she's standing there

[00:39:39] kind of like suggesting that they move over a little bit like that seems a little bit suspicious

[00:39:45] to me like you're not getting in there digging and looking and being as frustrated and

[00:39:50] annoyed as everybody else maybe they saw something in that I mean I would like to think that

[00:39:56] she was smart enough that in their three days plus of digging that she got in there and did some too

[00:40:03] and as far as the confidence the only problem that I have with that is she didn't have her idol

[00:40:09] until very late in the process well right but also she didn't she wasn't going to have it until

[00:40:17] they lost right so it's this whole weird like you know that you have that potential safety but everyone

[00:40:24] but you have to lose first and so there there is a bit of a distraction there as well because

[00:40:29] you're not focused solely on the tribe and what's happening you're also focusing on a very selfish

[00:40:34] component of the game that has been introduced to you that you want to spend time and energy on as

[00:40:41] well so I'm just wondering how much of an effect that might have had on how she was being perceived

[00:40:47] because maybe how she was acting yeah yeah it's possible it's hard it's hard for us to judge from

[00:40:52] where we were we are all right we could move on to the second rule which says not to scheme

[00:40:57] and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret this seemed to be as we mentioned earlier the

[00:41:04] primary reason for gem's loss that was peddled to us on the show itself and I do think the rule

[00:41:10] played a part just not the part the show suggested because while it looked on the show like she was

[00:41:18] running around at the last minute trying to pressure Tim and Ben like I mentioned earlier and

[00:41:23] that caused them and others to realize something was up gem in her interview said the conversation

[00:41:28] with Tim happened days earlier and it wasn't anything particularly special and the conversation with Ben

[00:41:35] happened because he approached her for a one-on-one discussion while she was trying to figure out

[00:41:40] where to dig for her idol which is why she was carrying the machete which I was watching it

[00:41:45] and they were talking about the machete I'm like well she's obviously carrying it because she's

[00:41:48] in the middle of one of her tasks you know so it wasn't like she came at Tim right away and she

[00:41:58] came at Ben with the machete and you know so again the way it was portrayed on the show I feel like

[00:42:04] was misleading and she told my blooms she felt she was lying low and you know that because they were

[00:42:15] the vibe tribe everybody knew or at least thought they knew what everyone else was doing right yeah

[00:42:23] now the area where gem thought she went wrong in regard to this rule was that she told everyone her

[00:42:30] backstory the night before tribal council and this is what gem said in interviews she thinks

[00:42:36] caused people to turn on her and vote her off I have serious doubts basically yeah basically she

[00:42:43] said in interviews that she talked about her upbringing in a domestically abusive situation

[00:42:47] she lost her sister two years ago to domestic abuse she has two sisters who are still in domestically

[00:42:52] abusive relationships and she was going to use the prize money to help get them free of those

[00:42:58] situations I mean you know all of this together had her tribates emotional and crying which

[00:43:04] understandable I think you know just hearing her talk about it many of us felt the same way

[00:43:11] but she thinks they also realized this was a big backstory and could be a winning story to tell at

[00:43:17] the end though she said she had no plan to actually use it that way she even talked about how she

[00:43:24] believes the others thought she would get together with others who have big back stories at the merge

[00:43:29] because some of those came out at mat chats so they didn't want to let her do that I don't know

[00:43:37] about all this well it's I mean it's very difficult to judge without having been there or seeing

[00:43:44] literally any of it on screen or hearing from other players right but it just doesn't seem like

[00:43:50] something that would cause them all to turn on her this is really early in the game to say I don't

[00:43:57] want to still be aligned with that person because she has a backstory plus the idea that the people

[00:44:07] with the big back stories are going to all get together this all just seems like

[00:44:14] something that doesn't typically happen I don't know where this is coming from like is it a

[00:44:19] backstory shield is that why they're gonna get together I don't think and and let's face it

[00:44:26] back stories don't win the game anymore I mean no anything you know and here's the thing

[00:44:33] at this point I feel like everyone who is on the show has a backstory there is and this is why

[00:44:40] they're including the back stories as part of the and I know everybody comes from something and

[00:44:45] everyone has experienced something in their life so of course everyone has a backstory but this idea

[00:44:50] that somehow the back story is going to be the make a break moment for someone and the winning

[00:44:56] thing that that person needs I agree I don't think that that's the survivor that exists anymore

[00:45:02] I know that at the beginning people were always very concerned if someone oh needed the money

[00:45:08] and then people are going to feel bad for them that's not the case anymore people don't do that

[00:45:12] anymore it is more just about the game itself and so yeah I don't I don't think that it was this

[00:45:19] realization that she has this incredible back story and that somehow that that's going to become

[00:45:24] the moment and also if you want to save your back story to try to win the game you don't tell people

[00:45:31] on date and she said she wasn't wasn't planning to and for whatever reason it came out but I'm

[00:45:36] just saying so like yeah if there was some concern that oh that's her winning back story well

[00:45:40] everyone's going to have heard it so I feel like it's going to it would land differently if there was

[00:45:45] some plan in place that she was going to try to use it so I agree I don't think that that was what

[00:45:52] caused any decision relative to why she was the chosen person to go home yeah it reminds me

[00:46:01] of people who thought that Jeremy won because his revelation that his wife was pregnant at final

[00:46:09] tribal council yeah it's like no that wasn't why he won it just happened to come up that that was not

[00:46:14] at all why he won but if you just watched the TV show you might have gotten that impression and believe

[00:46:21] me I remember some people had that impression and so again it comes back to the whole binge-watching

[00:46:29] thing you know and it's like did is I don't know is that one reason she thought this but

[00:46:38] I don't think it played a role I don't think it would have played a role and I don't think there's

[00:46:42] anything like a backstory shield where people with big back stories get together I just don't see it

[00:46:48] happening yeah but you know I I do think there is something related to overplaying that did play

[00:47:02] a big role probably the main role but seeing as it involves how she handled the idle let's skip

[00:47:09] ahead to rule seven we'll merge rule seven in at this point we're going out of order yes

[00:47:16] it covers idols advantages and game mechanics and as we know of course gem found the

[00:47:23] beware advantage and then replanted the clue which Maria found this led to a lot of fruitless

[00:47:29] though not antlers digging for the tribe or poopless for that matter as there thank you for

[00:47:37] that Carla yeah we mentioned earlier how she helped guide the idea that Tim was the one who did

[00:47:46] this and this is where I think we have the problem now I live tweeted during the episode that gem

[00:47:52] was going to have to admit to the idol if they had to go to tribal council so Maria and Mariah wouldn't

[00:47:58] come up with overly complicated plans mm-hmm and what happened well we talked about the overly

[00:48:05] complicated plan in the first rule because she didn't tell anyone right now don't get me wrong

[00:48:11] under normal circumstances I and probably you would be applauding her sticking to her guns and not

[00:48:17] telling anyone yes you know as she even told Dalton Ross my idol is my idol it's on a need to

[00:48:24] know basis and they don't need to know yes we agree except this is when they need to know

[00:48:33] right right right she acknowledged again to Dalton that maybe if she told Maria Mariah about it

[00:48:42] they would have kept her in the game as long as she had told them before she replanted the clue

[00:48:47] and everyone spent all that time digging and I agree once she sent everyone on a wild goose chase

[00:48:53] it became much more difficult for her to admit it which is why she shouldn't have sent everyone

[00:49:00] on a wild goose chase yeah we'll see the wild goose chase seems fun because there is that I know

[00:49:09] that we saw it happened previously with Carolyn when she had the red X and people were like oh what's

[00:49:15] going on and it was and that was a whole thing but that wasn't a wild goose chase that was

[00:49:21] something was there that existed previously and then it was also getting someone to find a fake

[00:49:29] idol that she intended to do something with right but it's like the so something there was

[00:49:38] it's very similar in that vein where you are having someone do something but then you also do

[00:49:44] have to deal with the ramifications of that something and in her case it didn't in Carolyn's case it

[00:49:50] didn't negatively affect her but in this circumstance it would have negatively affected gem if people

[00:49:58] had found out because they were clearly very annoyed by whoever had done this because they were

[00:50:03] sent on this wild goose chase and they dug for nothing whereas if they had found something which was

[00:50:09] her other plan which she was going to bury something so then something would be found it wouldn't feel

[00:50:15] like it was someone just playing with their emotions and making them dig for three days in what we

[00:50:22] now know as poop so I think there's a whole like slew of issues there because on the surface it

[00:50:29] sounds like a great idea like aha I will trick everyone but then you have to say oh but wait

[00:50:35] I just tricked everyone and if they find out then they're going to be upset with me so there

[00:50:39] there is definitely competing interests there so you really need to weigh that out if you're going

[00:50:44] to do something like this yeah and the if you find if they find out well at some point they probably

[00:50:51] are because you have an idol right so they will find out yeah yeah gem admitted to both Rob and

[00:50:59] Gordon Holmes that one main reason she did everything with the Beware Advantage replanting was

[00:51:04] because it was boring in camp and this is what you know you had alluded to earlier that is not a good

[00:51:11] reason to do something on survivor you know I'm sorry I understand but no you know meanwhile she

[00:51:20] told Mike Bloom she still stood by it because nobody knew she had the idol so she quote pulled it off

[00:51:27] gracefully this is where I would argue she didn't really pull it off because she got voted out I mean

[00:51:35] sure they didn't know they voted her out with the idol but I think that was part of the reason they

[00:51:41] did it not her having the idol but because of what she did with it because as I was saying in my

[00:51:48] tweet that I mentioned earlier it looked to me like gem caused Maria and Mariah to overthink the idea

[00:51:55] of Tim having an idol this could have helped flip them to vote her instead because it was safer for

[00:52:02] them and more than that by putting the idea in people's heads that Tim had the idol it meant they

[00:52:09] had to split the vote either on Ben or targeting Ben depending on which we believe as we talked about

[00:52:15] earlier and Charlie clearly did not want to vote Ben out right you know Steven also brought this up

[00:52:23] on Noah dolls and on Twitter after my tweet I will point out which was a little annoying to me because

[00:52:30] I wanted to bring it up first but hey at least darn it that's Steven I tell you but you know

[00:52:37] remember I think it was a couple episodes ago I said when Steven and I disagree I'm right

[00:52:46] when Steven and I agree you know we're right David I guess you're right yes

[00:52:56] uh now I also liked what Rob had to say on Noah dolls about how gem making these big boobs

[00:53:02] was kind of her main storyline on the show but they also led to the reason she was voted out and

[00:53:10] maybe that's why they didn't show it that way they wanted to show this as a fun thing that she did

[00:53:15] rather than yeah I think that she did that led to her being voted out yeah yeah and I do think

[00:53:21] that that goes back to that idea of the she was not playing at the same pace as everyone else in her

[00:53:27] tribe was playing and so that in and of itself can become an issue and I think that that's exactly

[00:53:33] what we saw happening here was that everything she thought that she was doing that was in line with

[00:53:38] how she wanted to play the game sounded great on paper it sounded great in her mind but when you

[00:53:44] actually have to play it in the game itself in real life and and it's existing in all of the things

[00:53:51] that exist as part of the game it can certainly change and you need to be able to change with it

[00:53:56] yes yes now the other question in this rule is whether gem should have just played her idol

[00:54:03] and what we normally say is if you have any hint of suspicion that you might be the target

[00:54:07] you should play but gem was truly blindsided and had no idea however there's also the issue

[00:54:13] that this was the first time Seiga went to tribal council so nobody truly knew where the lines were

[00:54:18] drawn and gem told Dalton that she had written notes for herself before the game one of which was

[00:54:24] saying in the first tribal council quote if you have an idol play it because you never know where

[00:54:29] the alliance stands she didn't listen to her own advice because she was certain about that alliance

[00:54:35] and she also didn't want to have to come clean about replanting it and causing them to dig for three

[00:54:40] days as she said they would just vote me out next tribal and since nobody knew that I had the idol

[00:54:46] and nobody could ever think that I was the one doing this I was like let's not do that all of that

[00:54:52] makes sense but it goes back to the same common denominator with other things we've been discussing so far

[00:55:00] that she should have replanted to be where advantage could yeah yeah because she really did

[00:55:07] create a whole world that didn't need to exist she could have just had an idol that nobody knew she had

[00:55:13] and then everyone could have just gone on their merry way playing the not so crazy game

[00:55:19] that she wanted everybody to play yeah yeah all right well we can move into the third rule which

[00:55:26] tells players to be flexible I think you had just mentioned something about flexibility so how do you

[00:55:31] think Jim did here I don't think she was flexible because I do think that she got very locked into

[00:55:37] how she wanted to play this game she was very proud of herself in her exit interviews

[00:55:42] in kind of reiterating that like these were all of the things that I wanted to do playing this

[00:55:46] game and I did all of the things that I wanted to do to play this game but look what happened she

[00:55:50] was the first one voted out of her tribe so that's where you need to find that balance and you

[00:55:56] need to be able to shift and move yes go into it with a plan this is what I want to do but then

[00:56:02] you need to take into account everything that's around you and everyone who is around you and how are

[00:56:07] they playing and looking at the people that she's playing the game with there's a lot of people

[00:56:12] who are being very laid back and they aren't playing a Tony game like she wanted to play they're not

[00:56:17] trying to create chaos and so I think that that's something she failed to recognize and did not adjust

[00:56:24] accordingly yeah yeah I mean we discussed how Gem had both the alliance she believed was real

[00:56:30] which Charlie's Angels and also a separate allegedly fake alliance with Tim and Maria

[00:56:37] beyond that you know I agree with you she she even beyond what you said she discussed in interviews

[00:56:45] how she wanted to essentially lock in with a solid group to the end and fight it out at that point

[00:56:51] yeah that is not an ideal strategy now she didn't have a chance to follow up on it so we can't

[00:56:56] really evaluate it you know maybe she would have changed her mind who knows it was just a plan but

[00:57:02] even just her talking about that is like oh not flexible right yeah so the fourth role tells players

[00:57:10] not to let their emotions control them while Maria practically quoted this rule at tribal council

[00:57:16] we didn't hear a whole lot from Gem herself on it it didn't look like she had particularly strong

[00:57:22] personal relationships with either Tim or Ben so I don't think it came into play either way

[00:57:28] did you see anything I didn't no I don't I didn't see that she struggled with this at all I do

[00:57:34] think that she was very I think that she took in the consideration who she was speaking to

[00:57:41] and and I do think that that was something that she was very cognizant of and aware of but I don't

[00:57:45] think it had any negative effect on her game okay all right then we can quickly move to the fifth

[00:57:50] rule which reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game generally

[00:57:55] speaking we didn't see anything indicating that Gem had any problems here but going back to

[00:58:00] something I mentioned in the first rule she also didn't have anyone she was very tight with

[00:58:05] and while I was talking about it strategically then it can also come down to the social game

[00:58:11] you know Ben was close to Charlie and well liked by all because he what he what he did in terms

[00:58:18] of this rule or more likely just who he is Tim felt he was close to Maria because of both of them

[00:58:24] being parents etc but Gem didn't really seem to have anyone like that in fact she may have been the

[00:58:34] only person who was annoyed with Ben and even said she showed a little of it because she was sick of

[00:58:39] him just lying around after challenges and basically wanting to be waited on yeah and she was sick

[00:58:45] of Metallica and she was sick of Taylor Swift but I do think that there is a lot to be said about having

[00:58:53] patience when you play survivor because the chances the chances are very high that people who are

[00:59:01] chosen to play are going to have big personalities or certain things about themselves that will stand out

[00:59:08] and she does have some people who are on this tribe that fit that build you know where they big

[00:59:16] personalities or things that they are very interested in sharing and having it be part of who

[00:59:22] they are and that can definitely be trying and it can and it could be annoying and all of those

[00:59:29] things but you do have to keep that in check and you do need to not allow that to be seen by others

[00:59:35] as much as it might drive you crazy you really just need to say okay that's fine I'm not going to

[00:59:42] act out I'm not going to say no I'm going to go along go with the flow so I do think that yeah there

[00:59:47] was some struggle here for her in that regard because she was kind of set in her ways and I think

[00:59:53] that that was something that probably shown through to people that she was playing the game with

[00:59:57] yeah yeah I agree all right well the sixth rule warned against being too much of a threat now

[01:00:04] in the second rule we discussed Jim's hypothesis about why others considered her to be a threat

[01:00:09] you know relating to her telling her backstory and I you know both of us said no that's

[01:00:15] that's not the answer in which case the question is whether there was anything else making her

[01:00:20] a threat what do you think well I think that her situation is an interesting one because

[01:00:28] I don't think that she was necessarily a threat per se but I think that because of the permutations

[01:00:38] that this tribe found themselves in she might have been a threat to the permutations you know where

[01:00:44] everyone wants to have that that other person that's their number one and she's someone who is

[01:00:51] kind of vying for that spot and so you really I mean it really came down to a choice where

[01:00:57] we had Mariah excuse me Maria I have to keep them straight Maria and Charlie really had to decide

[01:01:04] where they were going to go and so they needed to weigh for themselves what was going to be better

[01:01:11] long run in their game and so it is an interesting place to have a player end up in because it's like

[01:01:19] is she a threat maybe not but is she a threat to this duo continuing to go forward in the manner

[01:01:27] which they see their game playing out and then yes she could possibly be that threat and so

[01:01:32] that's where the choice comes in so it's it's interesting I do not think that she was a threat

[01:01:37] in the way that she believes based on her backstory I don't think that had anything to do with it

[01:01:41] I think it was just a matter of numbers and permutations and the game mechanics that each player had

[01:01:47] determined for themselves and what was going to be the better in the long haul long run game for them

[01:01:54] as opposed to what was going to be best for Gem and Gem just didn't fit into that long game plan

[01:02:00] that they had yeah yeah now another thing is that Gem Gem said coming in that she wasn't going to

[01:02:08] be a provider because she worried that would make her seem like a threat now in our preseason podcast

[01:02:15] I was scratching my head about that one and I still am I don't know why that would have made her

[01:02:20] appear to be a threat but I want to at least address it because while she said she wouldn't do it

[01:02:26] in interviews she noted that well she got there saw how the rest of her tribe was essentially

[01:02:31] clueless about living in the jungle so she did become the provider even so I still don't think

[01:02:38] this caused her to be viewed as a threat and she didn't even bring up that aspect in interviews

[01:02:44] she did however note that she was a bit upset at them voting her out after she kept them fed

[01:02:50] but she said she guesses that being a provider isn't that important in the new era

[01:02:55] yet she's right except she didn't go far enough because being a provider hasn't been important

[01:03:01] in a much much longer time than that yeah like I mean this is another thing that takes us so far back

[01:03:09] that you know I have to wonder what seasons she was watching last because she's talking about

[01:03:16] you know back stories being important and providing being important and it's like no neither of those

[01:03:22] things are yeah I mean having a provider on your tribe is fantastic it's great you definitely

[01:03:27] want it because it's it's an excellent thing to have but it is it's one of those things that

[01:03:35] even without a provider you're still going to figure out how to get along and you're

[01:03:40] going to figure out what you can do to try to survive and so it becomes less significant

[01:03:45] so I don't imagine that they looked at that and thought oh this is a threat because she's feeding

[01:03:51] us I think they would be like this is great she's feeding us yeah it would be like it would be a

[01:03:55] benefit it wouldn't be something that they would look at and say this is terrible so I yeah I don't

[01:04:01] think that that had anything to do with it right and also they're not going to keep her because of that

[01:04:05] you know if she's a bet it's it's a great bonus to have for sure yeah so yeah in you know in conclusion

[01:04:15] to that role I can't think of anything in particular that made her stand out as a threat other than

[01:04:19] what you mentioned so we could go to appendix A which is about the players keeping their end goals

[01:04:24] in mind when voting and we talk about running out the week then the strong and the weak and the strong

[01:04:28] now at this point close to the merge the tribe should be considering voting out people who will

[01:04:33] be strong threats going forward but we just discussed how I don't think that fits the bill neither

[01:04:39] of us think that fits the bill for Jeff however we have to remember that allies are the most important

[01:04:45] factor and getting rid of one just before merge is a bad idea so anyone who isn't a tied to

[01:04:52] ally could be considered a weak link and this is you know related to what you mentioned and where

[01:04:59] the Ben and Charlie relationship became very important as I thought it might Charlie seemed

[01:05:07] happy to tell Maria that they were in the middle of the two alliances for all this time

[01:05:13] until they actually had to vote and then he faced the realization that she wanted him to go

[01:05:19] against that now when I was originally considering how this would play out if it came down to it

[01:05:25] remember I had predicted Tim would get voted out in this episode and that's because I thought

[01:05:33] you know they would look at the situation and Charlie would be like well I don't want to vote out Ben

[01:05:37] so we can vote out Tim but I did not consider the other factors

[01:05:46] like the women wanting to split the vote and either make Ben the primary target or have the very

[01:05:54] real possibility in their minds you know if Tim had an idol of Ben ending up going now we can't

[01:06:05] say for sure what happened because they didn't show it all so we don't know if Charlie you know put

[01:06:11] his foot down or Maria saw how much he really didn't want to vote against Ben and realized that she

[01:06:18] would run the risk of losing him if she pushed but I think what really mattered was Charlie not

[01:06:25] wanting Ben to go and the other complications made that a possibility. Not to mention how it seemed

[01:06:32] like the women discussed the vote and pretty much just told Charlie how to vote without really

[01:06:39] considering that he might have his own opinions from what he saw. Now I know Jim said in interviews

[01:06:44] they all discussed things every day but it sure seemed like he was being directed and wasn't happy about

[01:06:50] yes I don't disagree I do and I think that there's a lot to be said about who was driving

[01:06:57] this final decision and it really I think boils down to what is going to like

[01:07:03] rock the boat the less amount right like who can we vote out that is not going to upset

[01:07:11] this person over here and if Charlie is really someone who you want to keep close to you and

[01:07:17] you want to keep voting with you then you don't want to upset Charlie and if keeping Ben is going

[01:07:22] to keep Charlie in your back pocket well now you've got Charlie and you might have been too

[01:07:27] and then so that's two votes and so you have to really start doing the math and so I just feel like

[01:07:33] overall there was a lot of that considered in this vote as to long game plans and and how we can get

[01:07:42] there and which which of these six is going to upset people the least yeah yeah I really think if

[01:07:49] all this idle nonsense hadn't come out and the women had just approached Charlie to say hey let's

[01:07:55] vote out Tim I really think that's what would have happened it was adding in the split vote and

[01:08:01] the possibility of either targeting Ben or having him as a second option right I think that's

[01:08:08] what pushed Charlie to say whoa hold on here right sometimes the simplest plans are the best yes

[01:08:17] now Rob did also bring up on know it all is the possibility that Tim could have told Nurea about

[01:08:22] the alliance he made with Q and Hunter on the journey and how he was gonna bring her into it um

[01:08:28] based on what we saw I don't think that happened because it seemed like Maria was pushing to vote

[01:08:35] out a guy while Charlie was the one who stopped it but again it's hard to say it could have been

[01:08:43] something that came later in the day I don't know I I just think it was Charlie either being visibly

[01:08:51] uncomfortable enough for for Maria to say okay if you don't want to do that let's do something else

[01:08:57] or he just put his foot down yeah agreed yeah all right well with that it is about time to wrap things

[01:09:06] up what are your final thoughts on gem I feel like any disign the song gem is outrageous because

[01:09:14] every time I hear her name that's what pops into my brain and I feel like it's fitting gem is

[01:09:20] outrageous she came into survivor and she really had a plan in place then how she wanted to play the

[01:09:26] game and she wanted to emulate Tony and we all know how Tony took the game and ran with it the first

[01:09:31] time you played and played a game that no one had ever expected and created crazy and it worked

[01:09:36] but unfortunately this is survivor and you can't always recreate something that worked once and

[01:09:43] people looked at and thought how the hell did that work and unfortunately for gem it just wasn't

[01:09:48] working she was in a tribe of six and this was a tribe that was not running around like Tony

[01:09:56] and not wanting to make crazy and wanting to kind of play the game when they needed to and take

[01:10:02] it easy until they lost and she did not have that same mindset and unfortunately I think she tried

[01:10:09] to add some chaos in addition to playing the game that she wanted to play so in her mind she thought

[01:10:15] she was doing a great job with the game and she had found an idol and she was going to add some

[01:10:20] spice to the island by hiding the beware advantage and doing all of these things that as viewers we

[01:10:27] think this is great this is survivor we're watching someone play the game but when you're actually out

[01:10:32] there playing the game it can be to your detriment to try to cause chaos when chaos isn't necessary

[01:10:38] she found herself in a good place she had an alliance she had a backup plan she had people that

[01:10:45] she could have worked with she didn't have that solid one that she needed though and unfortunately

[01:10:51] the chaos she was creating not having that solid one person with her really put her in a position where

[01:10:57] she found herself on the else and when it came down to who was going to cause the least amount

[01:11:03] of a rift with the tribe in the vote out it came down to Gem and unfortunately Gem went home

[01:11:10] Gem is outrageous Gem was great to watch it was super fun I was rooting for her I'm sorry to see

[01:11:15] that she has gone but I do think that it's going to be an interesting switcheroo coming up maybe

[01:11:22] in the next episode so lots to discuss with Siege for sure yeah yeah when when we watch the show on Wednesday

[01:11:30] night it provided what seemed to be a reasonable rationale for why people turned on Gem but looking

[01:11:38] into it more deeply shows it didn't really make sense when Gem did her interviews on Thursday she

[01:11:45] talked about why she believes her allies turned against her focusing on her telling them about

[01:11:51] her backstory but we've seen no evidence that this was the case and it just doesn't make any sense

[01:11:57] to me overall I think from her own viewpoint she was trying to figure it out since she was blindsided

[01:12:04] and also think since she said she stands by what she did with the beware advantage but I think it all

[01:12:12] goes back to that advantage and more specifically her replanting of it for fun I understand that being

[01:12:19] out there for a week and a half without actually going to tribal council may cause some people to get

[01:12:22] a little bored but that is not a justification for making a game related decision that can impact

[01:12:28] you Rob mentioned how Gem had said in the preseason that she wanted to play like Tony the same thing

[01:12:35] you just brought up the thing is not everyone can play like Tony only Tony can play like Tony and get

[01:12:44] away with it plus he had reasons for most of his antics Gem still believes she pulled off the

[01:12:53] beware advantage situation flawlessly and in strict terms of doing it without people realizing it was her

[01:13:01] okay I can go with that but that move was like dropping a pebble into a pond it caused ripples to

[01:13:08] reverberate through everything Gem wanted to target Tim and it looked like that might work but one of

[01:13:14] those ripples caused them to need to split the vote that put Ben in danger and then the ripple effect

[01:13:20] got larger because Charlie wanted Ben to stick around the ripples turned into waves and all of them

[01:13:27] came bouncing back and crashing down on Gem she thought she was just having some fun but in survivor

[01:13:34] you need to consider all the possible repercussions and that is why Gem lost.

[01:13:41] Here we are. So all right well before we get to our predictions for next episode which should be

[01:13:50] pretty interesting I want to mention again that we will be having James Jones from survivor 43

[01:13:56] joining us next week. Yay it's about time. Yes we've been wanting to get him on for a couple seasons

[01:14:02] now but schedules never lined up he is very in demand so we are very excited. Besides that I do

[01:14:12] also want to remind people that the poster and t-shirt and other t-shirt are available at the

[01:14:21] robhazwebsite.com slash yxlostfeed page and those of course go over all the rules that we just

[01:14:30] talked about. Right. Before we move on to those predictions where can people you know find us

[01:14:39] well not here. I'm in not as many places as David Bloomberg over here. I'm at Jessica Lewis 89

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[01:14:52] and I'm kind of quiet during the week for the most part I'm more of a survivor kind of gal so you'll

[01:14:57] see me more regularly on Wednesday nights. However David Bloomberg he is an all week you name it

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[01:15:28] probably doing less shows now because some of them have ended I know I know but he is still very very

[01:15:34] busy so David where can they find you well the link tree is link tree slash david Bloomberg with a

[01:15:40] dot before the ee in the url there on the text based social media like twitter and blue sky I'm at

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[01:15:54] threads being connected to instagram means I'm at the dev Bloomberg tv there too. I've been like you

[01:16:00] said only you know like an average of three instead of four per day videos now but yes I'm posting clips

[01:16:10] on us survivor amazing race dealer no deal island when they have something worth you know showing

[01:16:19] like the most recent dealer no deal island was not very exciting in terms of getting clips I'm afraid

[01:16:25] but you know it happens and same with amazing race was difficult because it's like nobody really

[01:16:32] wants to watch clips of them picking coffee beans I'm sorry maybe that can be your tic-tock like isn't

[01:16:41] this entertaining they're picking coffee beans yeah yeah so anyway yes you can find me at all those

[01:16:50] different places now it is time for predictions and this is where you know I mean normally it's tough

[01:17:00] but this is meritori which means lots of people running around half of them being safe

[01:17:09] half of them not and judging by the preview yes judging by the preview many players spilling secrets

[01:17:19] so here's my my attempt at it okay I'm gonna go first yes I think the five remaining players on

[01:17:27] seagull are going to try to stay together even though they left moriah out of the gem vote

[01:17:36] well where else is she gonna go right right I think they're gonna bring her back in and just say

[01:17:40] well you know we couldn't tell you because and whatever um right I also think the three remaining

[01:17:48] players on yanu will stick together hmm that leaves nami who has never had to go to tribal council

[01:17:56] right now we know there was discussion of voting out soda and earlier talk of going after Venus

[01:18:04] I'm going to guess and it is purely a guess because we have to um that soda ends up being in the safe group

[01:18:14] but Venus doesn't and though I say it's purely a guess the one reason that I'm saying it

[01:18:19] is because we saw a brief snippet in the preview of q saying Venus keeps telling all the secrets

[01:18:24] hmm and here's what I think I think he's saying that 200 because of his journey alliance with hunter

[01:18:38] and Tim and so I think he's letting hunter know hey Venus is out there she's spilling all these

[01:18:44] secrets we need to target her um I think rob did mention this on one of his podcasts so um I mean

[01:18:52] you know I sorry I came to the same conclusion as him but I think Venus is gonna end up as the

[01:19:01] burgetory boot oh that's interesting goodness I mean I can understand that because she doesn't come with

[01:19:14] anyone in her corner right so she's going to be in a tough spot

[01:19:22] but I gotta go with my gut okay so my gut is telling me

[01:19:28] that and I've mentioned this before when I thought that there was gonna be a swap that I was worried for

[01:19:34] Kenzie and I was worried for Kenzie because we've heard a lot of discussion and I know we got to

[01:19:40] see a lot of yanu because they were losing over and over and over again but there was a lot of

[01:19:45] discussion by q and Tiffany about Kenzie and the concerns and what's gonna happen when we get to

[01:19:52] the merge and she's gonna flip and so I don't think that they are going to necessarily be fighting

[01:19:58] to keep Kenzie on their side and I think if they find themselves in a situation where

[01:20:06] one of them needs to be targeted I feel like they are gonna throw Kenzie under the bus as far as

[01:20:11] they can because they want to keep themselves safe and knowing that there was that whole little scene

[01:20:17] which I just want to talk about that for two seconds where q was like hey so this is what's going on

[01:20:24] he was spilling the beans really quick right like and I was kind of like wait a second

[01:20:28] didn't he tell banyu not to do that kind of thing and then he was doing it almost immediately

[01:20:34] but that's gotta mean something then right if they're going to spend time showing that scene

[01:20:40] it's gotta mean something and he specifically go ahead well I was gonna say he explained on Twitter

[01:20:46] actually I think it was in response to James he explained on Twitter that he was trying

[01:20:53] to get ahead of things because he knew banyu had already told them that he and Tiffany were close

[01:21:01] okay he figured if he made an alliance and said he and Tiffany are close then the people

[01:21:08] that he was making an alliance with would know that and it would lock in with what banyu had said

[01:21:13] so it would show that he was being honest so that's fair I like that that's a good approach and so

[01:21:19] I feel like that is going to matter and the fact that he has said Tiffany is with me I think that

[01:21:26] that is going to be how kensy gets ousted and then when they are in need of who's going to go home

[01:21:33] kensy's gonna be the vote okay I still don't think Tiffany will let kensy go there easily

[01:21:40] um and I think even q would want to hold on to her as you know being I mean even when they were

[01:21:47] on yanyu yes get rid of her but right now right now I think that you know I think he's going to

[01:21:54] get it yeah but if it comes down to it and you've got you know a set amount of people and I mean

[01:21:59] this that's the problem with the merge boot is that anything can cause you to go home I mean like

[01:22:06] if anyone needs you need a reason and if someone has given a reason and we there has been so much

[01:22:12] discussion about kensy and what's going to happen come merge and maybe all of this discussion is

[01:22:18] happening because she does take over and runs the world and ends up winning because she is such a great

[01:22:23] social game I mean I don't know I mean that could be it too and I'm completely wrong as usual so

[01:22:29] just saying it's okay I've accepted it yes yes and we you know this one is the the hardest of all

[01:22:36] to predict so so all right well there we have it um and one of us will undoubtedly be right

[01:22:47] gotta have a positive outlook you know okay great yeah yeah um all right well as we wrap up

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[01:24:12] I was just going to um say stuff that actually I need to wait to say so go ahead oh really

[01:24:21] why do you have to wait to say it well because I say it at the end that's all oh okay well I'm

[01:24:25] gonna do my thank you then if we can do that so we'll do we'll we'll go to the thank you's and

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[01:24:51] much content is being put out there I was on there today going through looking for various things

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[01:25:10] for another incredible opportunity to get to hang out with you and chat with you and um I don't

[01:25:18] know it was it was nice little nice little change I feel like I feel like this was this was more

[01:25:24] there was more discussion yes available here much more discussion than we've been able to have thus far

[01:25:30] so thank you survivor for providing us that opportunity yes thank you Jessica for another great

[01:25:38] episode I'm glad I didn't have to use any of these to defend myself the good thing I'm so far away

[01:25:44] yes yes um you know as as we have mentioned we will have James Jones uh join us to discuss the

[01:25:52] mergatory boot next week you can find me elsewhere before them and everybody happy peep season

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