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[00:02:45] Taving in Jessica will turn it around

[00:02:48] They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how

[00:02:52] You play yourself and got voted out

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[00:03:10] Welcome back to why blank lost I'm David Bloomberg and I know everybody listening is shocked

[00:03:20] Shocked at the outcome of this week's episode except of course it's exactly what I predicted last week

[00:03:26] My car hose just to Caluas almost convinced me to change my mind then what was going to happen

[00:03:33] But I'm glad I held on to it.

[00:03:36] I did well you know because here's the thing and this is something that I'm sure we'll be talking a lot about

[00:03:42] One of the reasons why I came to the conclusion I did was because gosh, we were seeing a lot of banu

[00:03:48] And gosh, I feel like that should mean something right?

[00:03:52] It didn't mean that he's just going to get voted off the next episode.

[00:03:56] Yeah, I pack in all their banu content but they didn't need to

[00:04:01] No, they didn't you're right.

[00:04:02] No, so that was why I came up with my Kenzie theory maybe I read too much into the edit and maybe I shouldn't have done that

[00:04:11] But yes, that was why I came close to convincing you though.

[00:04:15] You did you did glad I glad I didn't let you now you're never going to convince me because I've got this

[00:04:21] Like I've ever really affected you much

[00:04:26] Yeah, no, we both know that I'm very bad at my predictions

[00:04:30] So don't ever put any stock into anything just because as far as predictions are concerned because it's not going to vote well for you.

[00:04:38] Yeah, well I said last week speaking of lots of boner that in talking about all those things boner did before we got to the rules

[00:04:48] I risked us discussing why banu lost a week early

[00:04:51] However, I also said I was sure he do more to make things even worse

[00:04:56] I was right about both we still have plenty to discuss lucky everybody

[00:05:03] Now

[00:05:04] So even though it might seem obvious why bonu was voted out to the point that they didn't even go through the formality of writing down his name

[00:05:13] We have to make sure we get all the details so nobody ever goes through this again

[00:05:21] To do that their point. Yeah, to do that will compare his game to my rules for winning

[00:05:26] I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews social media and secret scenes

[00:05:37] The newest version of the rules can be found on the rob has website.com slash YX lost feed website and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules now speaking of those rules

[00:05:51] One thing I want to particularly mention is that in the introduction to the rules I specifically note the other presumption here and I know it sounds silly but it needs to be said is that the player actually wants to win the game

[00:06:08] Yes

[00:06:09] They shouldn't be there for the experience or to face the toughest opponent or whatnot or rather they can be if they want I suppose but those are not the people who were focused on here

[00:06:21] Survivor is a game and the goal is to win period that is the basic assumption here and these rules can lead good players to that end goal

[00:06:30] To quote Harry a super fan on Australian survivor people should play to win

[00:06:36] 100% yes there shouldn't be a desire to win a million hearts and not win a million dollars you can want to do both I think both would be lovely if you can win a million hearts and win a million dollars

[00:06:52] Excellent kudos to you but it shouldn't be I'll take that over the million dollars right no

[00:07:00] Now before we address how Bano did in terms of the rules we always have some other things to discuss from this week's episode and the first one involves Bano

[00:07:12] Some people mostly on Facebook but also on Twitter have been suggesting that Bano is acting

[00:07:21] Their evidence is that he's an actor and for those of you just listening big air quotes on that with an IMDB page

[00:07:31] Yeah well he's a dancer too does that mean he was dancing no and he was not acting acting is not even anywhere near his primary job

[00:07:40] If you actually read his IMDB page he's been in some shorts and he's had roles like Guy on the street

[00:07:50] Uncredited you know I mean it's not his profession

[00:07:57] The fact that someone has done a few very minor acting jobs does not mean they are acting in everything they do

[00:08:05] And it's frankly ridiculous how wedded to this conspiracy belief some people have gotten

[00:08:13] Yeah I do think that there are something to be said about some of the things that we did see him doing that were a little head scratching

[00:08:23] But I think it was likely more just a combination of all of the things coming together for Bano

[00:08:31] It was the overwhelming nature of the game it was his emotional state it was all of these things

[00:08:37] And you have all these stressors on you and then he's starting to behave in a way or act

[00:08:44] I don't mean like acting in a way that makes you go well that's strange but I can't imagine that CBS would have said hey here's a creative idea

[00:08:55] Let's get this guy to come on the show and have him act and we'll make sure that he's out like by episode four

[00:09:02] But we're just going to throw him in there to kind of like stir the pot and see what happens

[00:09:06] They don't need to do that you know why they don't do that because people like Bano exist

[00:09:11] Right and I don't think at least most of the conspiracists are saying CBS had a specific hand at it

[00:09:17] They're saying Bano came on and lied to everyone so he could be an actor and use this as his way to get into like major films in TV

[00:09:28] Well if that was his goal he definitely failed at it

[00:09:31] Yes

[00:09:32] Come on

[00:09:33] This is not how you get a movie role

[00:09:36] And not only that

[00:09:38] Under this conspiracy belief if he was really acting to get roles in the future

[00:09:44] He would have to say he was acting

[00:09:47] Right

[00:09:48] But in none of the interviews I read or listen to her watch

[00:09:53] Did he even hint it quite the opposite he re-emphasized his previously stated reasons for wanting to be on survivor

[00:10:00] So how is he supposedly planning on getting acting jobs if he doesn't say he was acting

[00:10:06] You can't have it both ways it makes no sense

[00:10:11] Maybe he was waiting until the end of the season to be like

[00:10:15] Oh yeah then it's going to be a big reveal

[00:10:17] I'm sure some people would say that

[00:10:19] You wouldn't believe some of the responses I got

[00:10:21] And when I ask for evidence they either run away or they block me

[00:10:25] Literally

[00:10:26] That's what they do

[00:10:27] Yeah

[00:10:28] And you know I mean the other thing is like you said if this was supposed to be an acting audition

[00:10:34] I wouldn't hire him I'm sorry

[00:10:37] No

[00:10:38] It was way well-a-dramatically

[00:10:40] Yeah

[00:10:41] And the funniest part of the segment with Q coaching him

[00:10:46] Was that Bonu was failing the acting part

[00:10:49] Right

[00:10:50] Yeah

[00:10:51] And so I'm sure the conspiracy nuts who believe this would respond well he was acting to pretend that he couldn't act

[00:11:00] Well, I guess they've got it all figured out that way

[00:11:05] Yes, yes

[00:11:07] So with that out of the way I have another Bonu related item

[00:11:12] And it's not again shocking

[00:11:15] Yeah it's not all Bonu related

[00:11:17] It's more Jeff and production related

[00:11:19] Because I made an offhand remark a few minutes ago about the tribe not even voting

[00:11:23] And this has been a topic of conversation and consternation for some people

[00:11:29] Because while it was obvious this time

[00:11:32] It could be used as a strategy in the future

[00:11:35] Or rather if someone has a strategy that involves pretending

[00:11:38] It's going to be an easy vote

[00:11:39] And Jeff doesn't do this at that point

[00:11:42] Others could figure out that something is up

[00:11:45] Now you know everybody listening knows

[00:11:49] I'm usually one of the first to say something when I think Jeff messed up

[00:11:55] I really just cannot get upset about this

[00:11:59] You know, Q said on Twitter that they were asked if they wanted to vote

[00:12:03] No move was being made and no need to waste more time and energy walking up those steps

[00:12:11] And really I appreciate that move it along we know what's happening here

[00:12:15] More importantly, I feel like this was a special case

[00:12:19] There was literally nothing Bonu himself could do

[00:12:23] And it was very clear nobody else wanted to

[00:12:26] Plus Jeff would have known from other producers if something was up

[00:12:31] Like say Q planning to play an idol to save Bonu and get Kenzie out

[00:12:36] I know that those saying it was a bad decision

[00:12:40] Actually use that as a point in their favor by saying well in the future

[00:12:45] If Jeff doesn't bring it up people could infer that there's something going on behind the scenes

[00:12:50] That they don't know about

[00:12:52] And yes, I suppose so

[00:12:55] And I also know that Stephen and Rob discussed this on no one else

[00:12:59] I side with Rob

[00:13:01] You know, Stephen was the more concerned one Rob was like yeah but really

[00:13:06] And I'm right there with Rob

[00:13:08] I would also add one reason that I'm right there is it is just so unlikely

[00:13:15] That there will be a situation in the future like this one where everybody wants someone out

[00:13:21] And that person has essentially given up because they have no vote

[00:13:26] They can't play a shot in the dark. They have nothing

[00:13:30] Right

[00:13:31] So if it happens again in this situation, screw something up for someone

[00:13:37] Fine come back at me, come at me on Twitter at that point and say David you were wrong

[00:13:43] You should have been concerned about that. I'm not losing sleep over

[00:13:47] Well, I think this brings out an interesting point though about the issues with the way that the game is currently being played

[00:13:55] And I'm not talking about the players. I'm talking about production creating the games the players have to play

[00:14:02] Because when you run into a situation like this where someone has no vote

[00:14:06] So then they can't use their shot in the dark

[00:14:08] And so there's all of these extra components that exist because production has created

[00:14:14] These new components to the game that essentially put someone in a corner and there's no hope at all for them to do anything

[00:14:22] And this is a perfect example of what is being lost I think with the game of survivor

[00:14:27] Because voting was always the biggest component and what would happen at tribal council and who would go home and who would be voted out

[00:14:35] And when you take everything away from a player, then we are losing the pure essence of what survivor is

[00:14:43] And it's supposed to be that ability to maybe have your voice heard through a vote

[00:14:48] And I understand if three people have decided he's going home, there's very little that he can do

[00:14:53] But the mere fact that you've taken away any ability for him to do anything

[00:14:57] I just feel like we're just we're losing sight of what the game is supposed to mean and what we're supposed to be doing

[00:15:03] And the worst part about him losing his vote is he had no choice in the matter. He had no certain matter

[00:15:10] He would pick someone else and then he drew a rock and he had no option to not play the game

[00:15:18] That's the part I really don't like if they're going to send people on journeys

[00:15:23] They have to give them a choice there has to be one hundred a mount of personal responsibilities

[00:15:30] So if he played it and lost, yeah, that was his choice. Right. You know

[00:15:35] Don't set up situations where you have no choice and no choice. Right. And then take away the vote

[00:15:45] Yeah, I think it's terrible and it's dangerous dangerous

[00:15:51] But it's different even with the and I know we're going down kind of a rabbit hole here but with the beware advantage

[00:15:59] Where someone does have a choice where they can go oh they've been told this is your beware advantage

[00:16:04] And I guess maybe production is going well we don't tell them who has to go on the on the boat to go on the journey

[00:16:10] But they get to choose but they chose. Well, but that's what I mean

[00:16:14] So it's like you so there's there's portions of this word production can try to argue well no no we gave them a choice

[00:16:20] No, you actually didn't give them a choice and someone else is making that choice for them

[00:16:24] And there's all of these things that end up working against the the person's game in a way that become just

[00:16:33] It's just not survivor anymore when that's what's happened because it should be about choices

[00:16:38] It's you know and in this case wouldn't have mattered no

[00:16:42] No, it wouldn't have but it's but this is a good example. Right, the extreme nature of this example shows

[00:16:50] You know, here's a guy who couldn't even offer up the one thing that every player should have which is there

[00:16:56] Yeah, and this is I mean it's I don't like it. Yeah, yeah

[00:17:01] All right, well now let's do what the episode did and move away from Bannu for a few minutes before going back to him again

[00:17:08] We can start by talking about Gem who of course found and then replanted the beware advantage clue to mess with people and Maria found it

[00:17:18] This led to a lot of fruitless digging and fun scenes of gem being highly amused by it all

[00:17:24] And tweets about it being the poop spot for certain tries

[00:17:28] Yes, several tribes

[00:17:31] They were they were digging through a lot of poop there you know

[00:17:35] Oh gosh

[00:17:36] Maybe that's a sign we need to go somewhere other than Fiji

[00:17:40] Yeah

[00:17:42] Well it's not happening

[00:17:44] I know I know

[00:17:46] But maybe they just need to have signs, you know do not dig here warning beware

[00:17:56] That's the beware in the beware advantage you'll be digging through

[00:18:00] Um, beware

[00:18:03] Now it was more than just fun and games because when they couldn't find anything

[00:18:09] Gem also encouraged the idea that Tim planted the advantage and said he was overcompensating by working so hard at digging to take suspicion of himself

[00:18:19] People seem to be agreeing with that at least for now

[00:18:23] And we'll have to see what happens next

[00:18:25] Yeah, it was nice to see her having such a good time with it

[00:18:29] And I do appreciate that she kind of thought that one through as well

[00:18:34] That I want to throw people off and I want to make them think that it's something

[00:18:39] And then she took it a step further and was trying to blame it on someone else

[00:18:42] And she did it all in a way that wasn't suspicious and was very believable

[00:18:46] So it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out

[00:18:49] Yeah, now it was pointed out to me that at some

[00:18:51] At some time she's going to have to play that idol

[00:18:55] And so people will know she'd better let some people in on the secret before then

[00:19:00] Yes, because they might be upset that they were digging in poo

[00:19:04] Yeah, well

[00:19:06] If they find out

[00:19:08] Well, they found out now if they're on Twitter

[00:19:10] They found out now but when they're on the island maybe they didn't know

[00:19:13] Yeah

[00:19:14] Now over on Nami we found out a bit more about the tribe dynamics specifically as they revolve around soda

[00:19:22] She thinks she's like

[00:19:24] My girl soda

[00:19:25] Yes

[00:19:26] Keep her name out of your mouth, okay?

[00:19:29] And I also say that to people on Twitter who were criticizing things about her

[00:19:35] That shouldn't be criticized. They were basically personally attacking her

[00:19:39] And she ended them. I mean literally by the time she was done with them

[00:19:44] They had deleted their Twitter account

[00:19:47] I love that

[00:19:49] Yeah

[00:19:50] So yeah, now in the game she thinks she's tight with Tevin and Hunter

[00:19:55] Plus she has the ears of everyone else

[00:19:57] And she told us her head is in the game all the time

[00:20:00] But unfortunately for her others have noticed that her head is in the game all the time

[00:20:06] As Tevin said she's playing the game a little too hard for me

[00:20:09] And he sees how he's playing other people and worries

[00:20:12] She may be doing the same to him

[00:20:15] Now this is interesting considering what we heard from Randon in his interviews last week

[00:20:20] And I wonder how much of this is a reaction to the seed he planted before he knew he was leaving

[00:20:26] Because remember he said he was trying to turn the target away from Venus and on to soda

[00:20:31] Mm-hmm

[00:20:32] And you know the reasons that Tevin gave are awfully similar to what Randon said he had mentioned

[00:20:38] Listen

[00:20:39] Stay away from my girl soda

[00:20:41] Okay, come on. I need this. All right

[00:20:44] I need I need a winner

[00:20:47] You need a pop. I do I do it's been very very long since I've had a winner pick

[00:20:53] And my last one was JT which was forever ago so come on like just leave her alone she's doing great

[00:20:59] She's having a good time she's playing the game Tevin you're doing great too

[00:21:03] Join in play together. It's all lovely

[00:21:06] Just stop

[00:21:07] We all need to stop focusing on soda

[00:21:09] Yeah

[00:21:10] Actually, I was when they started to say her name at the towards the beginning of the episode

[00:21:15] I'm like okay, good she's fine. They've mentioned her so soon

[00:21:18] It's so early in the episode nothing will happen to soda so I was very pleased

[00:21:22] I mean they mentioned Banyu early in the episode two

[00:21:25] You how can you not?

[00:21:27] He's been in every episode 85% of the time of every episode

[00:21:31] So yeah, he's not his fault productions

[00:21:34] No, and I listen I know that and I know that we are going to be saying a lot of things about Banyu

[00:21:39] And I don't know if he really addressed this very much. God will yeah

[00:21:44] Yeah, he's a great guy. He's an absolutely great human being lovely person all around

[00:21:49] Terrible survivor player

[00:21:51] If you just

[00:21:52] Hey spoilers were not done yet we're not the rule

[00:21:55] We still trust me there's a lot of things we'll talk about but he's a lovely human being he absolutely is

[00:22:01] Going back to Nami as far as other players on the tribe Hunter is thrilled by this idea because he sees soda's competition for being close to Tevin

[00:22:12] Personally, I think he also wants her to stop singing

[00:22:16] But look on his face which is hilarious absolutely hilarious

[00:22:21] And then you had and then also during part of the song you had Venus like sweeping

[00:22:26] I said it looked like Cinderella everybody you know the wicked step sisters are having fun and she's cleaning up and sweeping

[00:22:33] So

[00:22:37] The great room

[00:22:38] Yes

[00:22:39] Now

[00:22:41] Liz meanwhile thinks that if soda makes merge, she can win it all. So if Nami does go to tribal council

[00:22:49] It sure doesn't look good for soda. Stop it. I'm just saying stop

[00:22:54] Well, you're not doing that. I mean the other thing is first they'd have to lose a challenge so good luck on that

[00:22:59] Oh and Hunter what did Tevin say as soon as Hunter gets those balls in his hand?

[00:23:03] If Hunter gets them balls in his hand it's done

[00:23:06] It's possible I had that quote ready to go here because yes speaking of shocking results

[00:23:14] Hunter won immunity for Nami

[00:23:16] And yeah, Hunter is going to need a really solid alliance going to merge because he is going to be a gigantic target thanks to the way

[00:23:26] It's almost like I don't know he built things at home and practice right

[00:23:31] Yes

[00:23:33] Yeah

[00:23:36] So I know that there were some other things going on besides of course you know bottom

[00:23:42] But you know we'll we'll leave those for now or I'll be putting some of those in my tech talks at David Bloomberg TV

[00:23:49] Is there anything else you wanted to discuss before we move on?

[00:23:53] I don't know if now it's necessarily the best time but I am I know that there is a lot of I'm getting a little visitor here behind me and here comes my dog.

[00:24:02] I know that there is a lot of commentary happening about the season and and just how it feels different it feels not like survivor

[00:24:14] And I feel the same way I feel like there's something that's just a little bit off right now

[00:24:20] And I'm really hoping I'm really hoping that things move in a different trajectory and that and that the game shifts and that there's there's something because right now it just feels like we're just kind of dragging our feet to get through these episodes

[00:24:37] And I'm just not loving that and this is something I love watching and I love being a part of and I just feel myself watching these episodes and just going oh please just something just something more

[00:24:50] And I think a large part of that is the excessive banu content and again not banu's fault he didn't make the editing choices.

[00:24:59] That would be the editors in production in general and they just chose to show every day in a minute of him and and the other problem is that because of the way they've been doing things.

[00:25:14] Yanu has lost every challenge for every community challenge which means there's a lot of focus on the same few people and there's only so many different ways those people can interact.

[00:25:27] And so we're seeing it over and over and over again in the first four episodes and we're getting little snippets of everybody else but that's all they are because they haven't had to play the game.

[00:25:38] Right yes, and this is why I feel like and I know we've said it before but I'm going to say it again let's go back to it.

[00:25:45] Yes, it's just such a better avenue to develop stories to develop gameplay to get to see more people as opposed to a very minimal amount of individuals.

[00:25:58] Yeah, I just it would be such an incredible thing to say hey here's like to and oh I don't know also why don't we just give everybody Flint so that star vein and they can actually compete and play the game.

[00:26:10] Sleep and eat and yeah so yes all these things I know you know people have heard them on different podcasts they've heard them from us before but you know yes that that I believe that that is why the season has dragged a little bit compared to other seasons.

[00:26:31] I just think it's the way the story has has come together or come apart.

[00:26:40] Yeah, now before we move forward it's time for yet another disclaimer because as I mentioned last week whenever we criticize someone's game we sometimes hear from people who accuse us of hating on them or disliking them personally or something of that nature.

[00:27:00] That is not true and if it is true we'll let you know but it's generally not true.

[00:27:06] But as we've already said once seems like a really sweet nice guy we are not here to judge sweet nice and while some of the interviews have seemed like a nice warm hug from the survivor press to him we are not going to be doing.

[00:27:26] No hug no you know some of what we're going to say is going to sound mean if we want to take it that way but that's because we are objectively evaluating his game and spoiler alert it was bad.

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[00:30:48] Now before we move on we all know that Bano said I didn't come to win a million dollars I came to win a million hearts and he said it about a million times.

[00:31:09] He came for the journey he came to share his story all of that is his choice remember we are here to evaluate his game based on trying to win win.

[00:31:25] I quoted from the introduction to my rules about that earlier so with that in mind let's look at what Bano did wrong what Bano didn't do right and figure out overall why Bano lost.

[00:31:38] I'm not sure if you can see that.

[00:31:49] Oh that was good that was good I'm sorry and again I'm not I'm laughing at David okay he's funny.

[00:31:59] I'm not sure if he's the best important rule so much trouble oh my goodness sorry.

[00:32:04] The first and I'm just going to say this again the first and most important rule is just keep in place and I think Kenzie said it the best he doesn't have a strategic bone in his sweet little body right

[00:32:18] he's the best in the game he loves to watch it but it's different to play it.

[00:32:23] Thank you also said he has a passion for the game but he doesn't understand the game and this is of course this concept is something we talked about from time to time in the past including in our preview podcast when we saw some of this coming and a lot more recently for some reason.

[00:32:42] Watching the TV show even loving the TV show in and of itself does not make one good at playing the game or understanding the game Bano himself provided a big piece of evidence for that in his final words when he said I'm a super fan of survivor and I came here to be honest.

[00:33:04] Those two sentences should never be said together they can't being the second one disproves the first one right because any actual super fan would know you cannot play survivor by being honest like he wanted right yes and I think that.

[00:33:23] That's a lovely idea and I think it's something that we've spoken about previously where people come in to survivor and they have an idea of how they want to play and we've heard previous players say well I don't want to have to lie and I don't want to have to be dishonest but.

[00:33:42] I always feel like there's a there's like a little asterisk next to it when other players have said it because they realize that at some point i'm going to have to.

[00:33:50] And everyone has that moment when you're playing the game where you you come to that first crossroad right where you're like oh I have to lie and it doesn't feel good and I remember the first time I had to do it and you have to keep a straight face and you have to tell that person no we're not voting for you.

[00:34:07] And and I know that we are but that's part of.

[00:34:10] survivor and that's part of what makes you a good player is your ability to adapt and also adjust and respond to other people in a way that allows you to.

[00:34:23] Play the game and not offend people in the process because you aren't throwing them under the bus you aren't telling everybody what the plan is you aren't negatively affecting someone else's game.

[00:34:33] And I feel like that was truly the biggest issue with.

[00:34:37] Bonu wanting to be honest is he's not that the honesty that he wants to provide is not just affecting his game it's affecting other people as well and so now.

[00:34:47] You are taking the people that you need to be close to you and throwing them under the bus and telling people all about them because you want to be honest and you you just you can't develop the relationships that you need to have to go further in this game.

[00:35:03] And being honest because then you are honest to a fault of everyone because you're providing information on not just yourself but everybody who you're playing the game.

[00:35:13] Yeah yeah I you know.

[00:35:16] Banu went even further into detail about his quest for honesty in interviews.

[00:35:21] He said mostly the same things about pretty much everything in almost every interview at least the ones I saw.

[00:35:27] In this specific case about honesty he told everyone how he's a super fan there's that word again who has watched every episode of every season but he felt that how he saw people playing was not how he wanted to play.

[00:35:41] He insisted there's not just one way of playing so he wanted to try something different and play his way which was to see if honesty works.

[00:35:50] Well several things here he's right there isn't just one way to play there are definitely.

[00:35:56] Lots of different ways to play but there are a lot more ways to not play yes and he chose one of them.

[00:36:04] And the biggest problem though is if he had really paid attention while watching every episode of every season he would have noticed.

[00:36:14] He's not the first person to have this false epiphany and believe that they can play the game with honesty.

[00:36:20] It's been tried and failed.

[00:36:23] We only need to go back to survivor 43 and look at Nekka.

[00:36:29] She said the preseason even though the game is one where people very easily resort to lying and cheating and back stabbing I see myself challenging how that is played and going with the opposite of that and we'll see how that works out.

[00:36:43] Well how did it work out?

[00:36:45] Well let me quote from what I said in our why Nekka lost podcast.

[00:36:50] Both of us predicted that it would work out the same way it almost always works out for someone who wants to come in and change the game.

[00:36:57] Not well and we were right.

[00:37:01] I'm happy to say that Nekka even recognizes it now as she told interviewers that she no longer thinks it's possible to play the game without lying.

[00:37:10] It's unfortunately too late for her but hopefully future players can take note.

[00:37:16] Yes.

[00:37:17] Clearly Bano did not take note.

[00:37:21] Yeah yeah it's just unfortunate and again your point is very valid there are many ways that this game can be played and we have seen so many players come at this game in different way.

[00:37:33] But if there is one thing that those players have in common is they aren't being completely honest when they're playing the game.

[00:37:43] There's that and they aren't trying to change the game right you know right play that's given to you.

[00:37:50] You know you can't play monopoly and say well I think it's wrong to charge people rent so I'm just you know going nobody's going to have to pay me it's fine.

[00:38:01] I mean you can't play monopoly that way.

[00:38:03] You can't but guess what you're losing.

[00:38:06] Again the similarity there.

[00:38:10] And the thing is Bano's over honesty rather than strategy and you touched on this had an impact on every facet of his game.

[00:38:18] We discussed last week how his tribates tried to explain to him that he could lie to Jeff and tribal council

[00:38:24] but he just couldn't conceive of it.

[00:38:27] And you know we'll discuss more of that in rule two but as Kenzie said he doesn't know how to play survivor why did he come out here.

[00:38:35] Bano said in tribal council that how to play the game didn't click with him for six days.

[00:38:43] My reaction to him saying that was dude it still hasn't clicked with you even now nine months after being voted out it hasn't clicked.

[00:38:51] Yeah well I feel like now too there was a lot of like Monday morning quarterbacking kind of things happening and like digging in and going no that's really what I wanted to do.

[00:39:00] And there was a reason why I wanted to do it and I feel like he's maybe just getting like even locked in even though he really shouldn't be.

[00:39:09] But even that he's still not giving the right answers I mean it would be one thing you know I don't disagree but but I'm saying is that he's trying to support his own initial cause.

[00:39:19] That like oh that's what I that was my goal was this is what I wanted to do and that's how I played and so I really did win in the long run yeah yeah okay.

[00:39:30] Now before leaving this rule there two more things I want to mention one is when he said I had so much power in the game and now I'm like a puppet.

[00:39:40] I well I'm as confused as a go down astroturf about that because I don't understand when he believed he ever had any power in the game let alone so much.

[00:39:55] Yeah way he was playing didn't allow him to have any power in the game.

[00:40:01] Yeah.

[00:40:02] And then the final thing the cherry on top of it all was that there was one strategic thing Banyu could have tried to do to save himself and no I'm not talking about begging on his knees or yelling at God.

[00:40:17] But he knew a piece of valuable information which was that Q wanted Kenzie gone and was planning to make that move at least as far as Banyu knew.

[00:40:30] If Brandon hadn't been met a back.

[00:40:34] If he wanted to stay he should have mentioned this to Kenzie and tried to flip her against Q and this would have been interesting because of course she would have spoken to Tiffany and then we could have seen some drama there.

[00:40:47] Yeah but that requires some strategy exactly having for bid that he do anything like that yeah no instead it was going to each person.

[00:40:58] And kind of right begging them to keep him and here's a thing.

[00:41:03] Which is not strategic it is not strategic and I don't I don't want to I don't want to be little him or or that because because obviously he was very emotional at that point but just merely asking someone to keep you around is not a reason to keep you around for that person.

[00:41:20] That person needs to have a reason why keeping Banyu will benefit them versus being rid of Banyu.

[00:41:28] And the reason is never going to be because you were begging me on your news.

[00:41:32] Right I mean it clearly made Tiffany feel uncomfortable she's like I'm talking to you with you doing that you know.

[00:41:38] Right I think it made people watching uncomfortable yes this was this is never the gameplay that you want to be putting forth you're certainly not changing the game by doing this

[00:41:48] and you're not helping yourself at all because there has to be a reason why someone will keep you as opposed to keeping that person over there.

[00:41:58] And yes what you just mentioned could have worked because it could have been like hey guess what he wanted to get rid of you Kenzie and I didn't but he thinks that I'm with him.

[00:42:10] So yes there could have been some more drama there could have been shifting and maybe making people look elsewhere but none of that existed.

[00:42:17] And so for everyone who was left for Q and Kenzie and Tiffany they were looking at him going what is he offering us literally nothing.

[00:42:25] Yes he's doing well in challenges but he's telling me to put a pause on that.

[00:42:30] Well put a pause on that but you know he's telling the other tribes how like what we're doing and who's close and who's running the show

[00:42:39] and and he's he's wrecking our games making us targets I mean so all of this is not good for them and so they had no reason to want to keep him.

[00:42:49] Right right all right well we can move to the second rule which says not to scheme and plot too much at first glance you may think

[00:42:57] Banner obviously didn't have any problem because he couldn't even figure out how to scheme and plot let alone do it too much

[00:43:02] but then we get to the second part which I usually read as one sentence and it says keep your scheming secret.

[00:43:10] He certainly had a big problem there and you like I said you touched on it already because we know he went on the journey and spilled his guts about his whole tribe

[00:43:20] and he said in interviews that he did it because he was emotional and he didn't feel he could properly express those emotions on his own tribe

[00:43:26] because they would criticize it so when he met with Ben and Lea's it all came out as he told Mike Bloom I didn't think okay what I'm saying or doing will impact the game moving forward

[00:43:38] I just wanted to get it out of my system yeah that pretty much says it all he didn't think about it impacting the game moving forward.

[00:43:48] Yeah and not just his game again everyone else is game and I think it's fascinating too because we got to see what happened after the journey with the two individuals Liz and who was the Ben

[00:44:03] the immediacy of when they went back and they're like so he told us like everything yeah and they just shared all of the dirty laundry from what was coming

[00:44:12] and Ben was even I didn't say anything about us because Ben there I didn't need to he kept talking the whole time and so

[00:44:20] that's something you look you can't unring that bell right so now everybody has heard everything about what's going on with Kenzie and Q and Tiffany

[00:44:30] and so if they do end up switching things up everyone is going to have that knowledge everyone has that basis of knowledge and so yes

[00:44:38] he's put them all in a very difficult place yeah and then he found a way to make it worse by telling Tiffany and Q about what he had said

[00:44:46] right now on the one hand he said in interviews that he did it because he wanted to be open and honest with them

[00:44:52] because they could find out about it later okay maybe but on the other hand and this may be some of the

[00:45:01] retro thinking here you know Monday morning quarterback well I always think of Monday morning quarterbacking is that you weren't actually the quarterback

[00:45:11] you know you're sitting there saying oh that's fair sure yeah I could be wrong about that but that you know so

[00:45:18] you know it's I'm trying to think of the right word for it but retroactively explaining you know right

[00:45:24] mm-hmm and so this is where that comes in because he told them or when he told them and saw the looks on their faces

[00:45:34] he said did I do something wrong right while Q was doing just an epic face palm epic face palm

[00:45:43] Bonyu could not understand how telling the other tribes about all the relationships in Yanu could possibly be a problem

[00:45:50] he simply did not get it and I just want to say too for someone who wanted to be honest and

[00:45:58] and not lie I feel like in that moment he lied because he was like that was all I said

[00:46:03] right that's not all he's yeah he's got a whole lot more yeah now despite Bonyu saying to us that he ruined

[00:46:13] his game in just a few minutes of saying these things of course this wasn't the first time it happened

[00:46:18] Kenzie mentioned at the beginning of last episode that he shot from the hip and gave away secrets at tribal

[00:46:24] council Tiffany had told him that they wouldn't let him know about the fake idol so he wouldn't blood it out

[00:46:31] heck the only thing that surprised me about Bonyu telling all the secrets on the journey was

[00:46:38] that his tribates were in the least bit surprised to find out he told all the secrets on the journey

[00:46:44] right yeah so and the worst part is not just the problem of Bonyu giving away all the information

[00:46:56] it is like I said that he gave away that he gave away all the information it was failing to keep

[00:47:02] the double whammy yeah failing to keep information secrets squared

[00:47:07] yeah yeah Kenzie said at a previous tribal council we have to choose who we can play with long term

[00:47:14] and this is certainly no way to get someone to believe that they can play with you long term

[00:47:19] I mean Tiffany flat out told Bonyu she was voting him out because she couldn't trust him

[00:47:25] right yeah and that's pretty uh that's being very honest yes yeah there's the honesty you wanted

[00:47:32] uh and that's basically what she said look I'm being honest with you here yeah now

[00:47:38] again before we leave this rule there was one scene where Bonyu was apparently speaking to God

[00:47:44] and he said if I'm taking any wrong steps please help me in my head

[00:47:51] God would have responded if you've taken any wrong steps man you're beyond even my help

[00:48:01] oh David I mean but that's the point if if yeah he knew he had taken or he should have known

[00:48:12] he had taken wrong steps yes it's like the person who quote unquote apologizes and says

[00:48:18] if I've done anything to offend you I apologize it's not an apology because you don't even realize

[00:48:23] you offended them yeah like you need to know what you did wrong right and I do think that

[00:48:28] there was this very strange I don't even know how to really describe it appropriately but that

[00:48:38] it was like he would have a moment of clarity and then it would go away yeah where

[00:48:42] where like what he said is what did I do something wrong yes you did something wrong but then he

[00:48:47] would like forget about it two seconds later and would be doing something very similar or

[00:48:52] of the same in the same vein and you're like wait did you do you just just just happened over here

[00:48:58] did you not remember what just happened over here and so it was very strange to watch all of it unfold

[00:49:04] because I was like are things are we not in linear time are things not happening in the right order

[00:49:11] it was very very difficult to follow I would say well and even when Tiffany and Kenzie were talking

[00:49:16] when Tiffany told Kenzie he spilled everything and I believe Kenzie was like right after we talked

[00:49:23] to him about saying too much yes and he was shocked too hey so this is why I'm like I it's head

[00:49:29] scratching it was just head scratching to see these things and maybe this is why people were thinking

[00:49:35] he was an actor because it literally didn't make sense like why would you do something that you were

[00:49:40] just told don't do that yeah and then be shocked when they told you you're not supposed to do that

[00:49:46] and then be like oh I did do something wrong yes we've already explained this to you yes

[00:49:52] what it's the character on oh gosh now I'm blanking it's a sitcom from years ago where he said

[00:49:59] did I do that oh that's no that's is that from is that snl no no it's a sitcom oh it's Steve

[00:50:10] Erkle yes Erkle yes see Virkle yes yeah all right well Jessica the third rule tells players to be

[00:50:20] flexible tell us all the ways Bony was flexible no gosh all the way all of them maybe he could have

[00:50:30] prayed in a different location or something I don't I'm not sure maybe he could have talked to

[00:50:36] the guy drive in the boat and maybe he was flexible the ways he was flexible all the ways he was

[00:50:43] flexible I'll give you next five minutes go ahead I know here's the problem

[00:50:50] it's this is gonna sound crazy but it was like it was like he was too flexible

[00:50:57] in the no in his in his willingness to just I'm just going to discount what everyone has told me

[00:51:04] over here and then I'm gonna do this over here and then I'm gonna come back and be like I didn't

[00:51:07] know I wasn't supposed to do that even though I did that over here that's what I'm talking about

[00:51:10] I'm I can't I don't really think that this rule applies to Bony like at all because he just yeah

[00:51:20] it doesn't make any sense right I believe he was absolutely inflexible he came in believing he could

[00:51:27] play with honesty he would not accept or comprehend anything other than that and you know I mean

[00:51:34] we already discussed how he couldn't possibly lie to Jeff in tribal council or you know strategize

[00:51:40] in any way he came in with this box he put himself in this box and he stayed in that box

[00:51:48] and I still think what he's in that box but he's also like acting like he's not in that box

[00:51:57] like there's I mean there's something like very very difficult and I just feel like this is my

[00:52:03] I mean this could be just my own opinion but when when someone is explaining to you over and over

[00:52:10] and over again what you're doing wrong and and he had said in his in his exit interviews that he

[00:52:17] played along with them he's like oh they said they wanted to teach me and they wanted to tell me how

[00:52:21] to play the game and so I let them and I let them no that's not true like it's just not true yeah

[00:52:27] and and I just feel like there was just something there was just something just I don't really know

[00:52:35] even how to properly describe that I that's where I go back to being completely inflexible he was

[00:52:41] he was talking talking to him was talking to a wall when it came to say yeah I guess I guess

[00:52:45] that's the the best way to describe it then because it really it was really it really made no sense at all

[00:52:51] yeah all right let's let's give you another chance here with rule four the fourth rule tells players

[00:52:58] not to let their emotions control him do you think Bhanu had any issues with emotions at all

[00:53:04] yes what how could you say that I mean just a little bit right just a smidge just a smidge

[00:53:12] in let's talk about that box again yeah I definitely see the issue here for Bhanu that he had

[00:53:23] relative to his emotions because when he couldn't keep them in check and as you've already said

[00:53:30] he came into this game with a very set idea of what he wanted to be and and I do think that

[00:53:37] his decisions and how he was interacting with people reacting to people talking to people it all stemmed

[00:53:46] from an emotional place as opposed to a strategic place which we've already talked about that there

[00:53:50] was no strategy it was more of a knee jerk reaction if he was upset I mean can we talk about the

[00:53:57] coconut scene for two seconds when like I mean what was that like what was that when she was like

[00:54:03] Bhanu are you okay no here and he walks away gives her a coconut like what just happened

[00:54:10] this is why I'm struggling so much here because again he's a great person he's a lovely human being

[00:54:15] but the actual game that was being played head scratching yes head scratching so yes lots of

[00:54:21] emotional decisions being made by Bhanu for sure yeah while Bhanu complained to Ben and Liz on the

[00:54:28] jury that his tri-mate said he's not strategic only emotional he also admitted multiple times

[00:54:33] that he's an emotional person so yeah I'm not entirely sure where he was complaining about because

[00:54:38] yes he's emotional in fact I would say overly emotional because in addition to that coconut scene

[00:54:46] we also saw him storm off and complain that Kenzie supposedly snapped at him for no reason okay first

[00:54:54] that was the mildest so-called snap I've ever seen right second there was a reason he was being

[00:55:02] annoying and she just asked him to please give her a few minutes right yeah and the other thing

[00:55:11] that I thought was interesting just made me think of this because she immediately like went and

[00:55:15] apologized she and she told Kush like I'm going to need to apologize to him just because I'm

[00:55:20] I'm going to need some you know he's going to need to feel better about this yeah and he was talking

[00:55:25] about how his tri-mates lacked empathy yes I thought was fascinating considering talked about

[00:55:31] everything yes everything that they were doing for him and trying to help him and and taking time

[00:55:39] out of their own games to try to improve his game now granted I'm sure they were doing it for

[00:55:44] a selfish reason or a little bit of a selfish reason because they want to go further in the game

[00:55:48] but for him to think that they were not empathetic I was I was a little taken aback because I

[00:55:56] think that they went above and beyond trying to help him and and and cuddle him a little bit

[00:56:05] and make him feel better and see there we are so I so there is something again that just it

[00:56:12] just didn't make sense to hear him say that when we were able to observe everything that we're

[00:56:17] doing yeah if he had said that during the game fine whatever I would probably want to mention

[00:56:22] that you probably want to mention but the fact that he's repeatedly saying it now tells me he still

[00:56:28] just doesn't get it yeah even aside from what you just said survivor is not therapy no the other

[00:56:36] players are not there to support and cuddle you yes it's possible that will happen we've seen

[00:56:44] Sega being incredibly supportive of each other but we also have to remember they haven't gone to

[00:56:49] tribal council yet right survivor is a game it is not group therapy you can choose to view it as

[00:56:58] an experience which is clearly what Bonyu has done you cannot however impose your view on others

[00:57:06] because that's not why most of them are there they are not there to help you they are there can

[00:57:13] help themselves right and this isn't to say that there are never moments in survivor when you

[00:57:20] when you need or that you shouldn't ever support anyone because there are definitely moments

[00:57:25] in the game where you do need to help each other out and you do need one you need to take those

[00:57:33] moments and kind of rebuild your team and get everybody on the same page so that's that's totally

[00:57:39] separate than what we saw happening with Bonyu because it was a very individualized need for him

[00:57:46] and him only it wasn't tribulated it wasn't strategic it was like we just got to keep him on the

[00:57:53] straight and narrow because he's going to blow up all of our games and so I there are moments where

[00:58:00] you need to support each other 100 percent but in to this extent and this specialized and trying

[00:58:10] to kind of coach him and train him that's a whole thing to the point of walking on eggs around him

[00:58:15] so you can't say anything like that I had an employee and having him like quote lines so he would

[00:58:21] know what to say when he goes tribal council yeah that's a lot yeah I had an employee who was

[00:58:27] I mean some of us nicknamed her eggy because you had to walk on eggshells whenever she was there

[00:58:33] because having for bed you say something that she took slight offense to she would be like

[00:58:38] about she would storm off and you'd be like what happened yeah you know and yeah

[00:58:45] you know at work at least yes I want to support my employees right survivor you don't even

[00:58:54] necessarily have that well and honestly too to their credit they should be like great yeah

[00:59:02] you know that's awesome yeah keep going down this path Bonyu because you're just making it easier

[00:59:07] for me to stay and for other people because we're all going to vote you out you know so that's the

[00:59:11] other part that I think really should be highlighted is that yes well they were coming at it from

[00:59:17] maybe a selfish standpoint because they wanted to also save themselves they could have just been

[00:59:23] like who cares he voted out it's fine yeah yeah now one more thing I need to address in this rule

[00:59:30] is the way Bonyu's emotions led him to being mad at God for giving him only one miracle

[00:59:36] and not another one to keep him sorry Brandon well that's exactly it how many people does Bonyu want God

[00:59:44] to injure for him so he can save the game right you know so I know it was you know the different stages

[00:59:51] of grief and one of them was anger and this but come on man it was bad enough first time it's worse now

[00:59:58] yeah and that's just emotion to absolutely running away

[01:00:02] mm-hmm all right well the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play

[01:00:10] the social game is pretty obvious that Bonyu did not need to pretend to be nice because as we

[01:00:17] have both said he really is a nice guy too nice for this game really yeah even Jess told Rob a

[01:00:25] couple weeks ago about how nice he was because some people were getting mad at him for yelling at her

[01:00:31] in that in that block the arch challenge mm-hmm so yes he is nice but just being nice does not

[01:00:42] equate to having a good social game yeah we talked in rule four about how he got mad at Kenzie

[01:00:48] and stormed off we just spent a bunch of time talking about that because she wasn't catering

[01:00:53] to his behavior to the point that she felt she had to go apologize to him and again it's this

[01:00:58] walking on egg shells thing mm-hmm and it was only further hurting his game it was not helping it

[01:01:06] yeah and I think that that is a very good distinction to make that you can be nice and still have

[01:01:12] a very bad social game yeah because you need to be able to meld the two things together

[01:01:18] and he was definitely failing at doing so yeah all right we'll move ahead to the sixth

[01:01:24] rule which warns against being too much of a threat now Bonyu was not the typical type of threat

[01:01:29] usually that we usually think of in this rule he wasn't going to purposely backstab one of his

[01:01:36] allies or win the game but he did accidentally backstab his allies and could have cost them the game

[01:01:44] he was the type of threat who hurts everyone else in the tribe because of his inability to play

[01:01:52] the game as you mentioned and also which I'll get to a little bit more independency issues and challenges

[01:01:59] they they simply could not trust him in any capacity well and I think that's the scariest

[01:02:05] type of threat to have is the ignorant threat right it's not the person who is

[01:02:14] purposefully backstabbing and going behind your back and trying to like play both sides it's

[01:02:19] not that person it's a person that doesn't even realize the damage that they're creating by

[01:02:25] carrying out this I just want to be honest and I just want to be able to speak to whomever about

[01:02:31] whatever and about whoever that that is the true like scariest biggest threat or an individual

[01:02:39] because he doesn't even realize the damage that he's creating yeah and he's it's not predictable

[01:02:46] it's not controllable right you know you can predict that certain players will come after you

[01:02:52] you can't predict what Bonyu was going to say right right all right well the seventh rule covers

[01:02:59] idols and advantages in game mechanics Bonyu didn't have any luck finding an idol mostly because

[01:03:05] Tiffany already had it and because God wouldn't plant another one for him nor did he have any luck

[01:03:12] begging others to get one for him of course we know he went on his journey and wasn't able to

[01:03:18] solve the puzzle causing him to lose his vote but as we discussed much earlier he didn't ask

[01:03:23] to go on that journey he didn't ask to play the puzzle game that you know that that was not his

[01:03:29] choice yeah but he bears responsibility for what he said on that journey which you know we've

[01:03:37] we've spent a few minutes discussing already just a few just a few so I'm gonna

[01:03:44] okay well then we'll go to appendix it which is about the players keeping their end goals in

[01:03:47] mind when voting and we talk about voting out the week than the strong then the week than the strong

[01:03:52] there was no doubt about this vote they had to get rid of the person who was the week

[01:03:57] in every possible game way yeah because besides everything we've already discussed

[01:04:03] I contend he had problems in the challenges despite what he claimed in interviews

[01:04:09] he said he did well the cameras said otherwise he cost his team precious time in the immunity challenge

[01:04:16] by forgetting the rules oh I did forget about that yeah and going around the stack

[01:04:21] place instead of over them yeah why did he think they were there like what what were you doing he ran

[01:04:27] around them and dove in they're there for a reason everybody else is jumping over them what are you

[01:04:33] doing yeah yeah then later in that same challenge when he was the ball retriever for any shots that

[01:04:40] cue missed he was moving so slowly that they subbed him out yeah I will say that is a very difficult

[01:04:49] thing to do my experience when you're really tired and you're trying water yeah I look at the ball now

[01:04:56] it's I'm sure it is but the others managed and he was I know I know I know specifically called out

[01:05:04] in particular yes so even aside from the complete lack of trust he had with anyone at this point

[01:05:11] they might have decided to vote him out just based on the challenge combined with everything else

[01:05:16] there it was a no doubt yeah yeah I agree all right so it's about time to wrap things up

[01:05:26] Jessica what are your final thoughts on bono oh bono as I said at the beginning of this podcast

[01:05:33] I thought you were going to stop there and that was going to be your whole conclusion oh bono done

[01:05:41] I I do truly think that bono's t-shirt represents the existence that he wants to have both in his life

[01:05:49] and in survivor and that is to be kind unfortunately I don't associate be kind with the game of

[01:05:57] survivor because it's an impossible mix you can be kind in survivor but you can't always be kind

[01:06:05] and you need to bring a strategic component to the game and you can play it off as being kind

[01:06:11] you can hide it behind your kindness you can try to make people not realize what you're doing

[01:06:18] because you are kind but in the end everyone who plays survivor has to back stab has to be dishonest

[01:06:25] has to do something in order to further their game in the process taking others out and that's what

[01:06:31] makes survivor so fantastic and that's what makes it a game that we all return to when we love is

[01:06:37] because of that component it's a very very difficult thing for anyone to do because survivors not

[01:06:45] real life and in real life you wouldn't purposefully throw people under the bus you wouldn't

[01:06:50] try to back stab you wouldn't do these things to bring someone else down okay maybe you shouldn't

[01:06:57] do those things in real life but in survivor all right in survivor you 100% have to because

[01:07:04] you have to play to win and you have to play to get to the end and to win and so I just feel for

[01:07:12] bono because I really do think he came in with this idea this I can be honest and I can play this

[01:07:19] game with the integrity that I seek and in the end we all saw what happened and it just went

[01:07:26] it didn't work and and I really do think that the people that run his tribe with him tried so hard

[01:07:34] to save it they tried so hard to help him and he was just very set in his ways and really

[01:07:40] desirous of creating this survivor game that just cannot exist so in the end bono thank you for playing

[01:07:49] maybe I'm not trying to be mean but like this is just not this is not the game for you it's just not

[01:07:58] this is not a game that that is for an individual such as bono but I appreciate his story I

[01:08:04] appreciate him sharing putting himself out there and he seems like a lovely human being but just

[01:08:10] not someone who is wired appropriately to play survivor yes I said before we got into the rules

[01:08:18] that some of what we were talking about was likely to sound mean to some people but again this

[01:08:24] was as objective an evaluation as we could possibly make for him outside the game bono the person

[01:08:30] seems to be a kind human being inside the game he was an absolutely terrible player he came in saying

[01:08:38] he was a super fan but wanted to ignore everything he'd seen since season one and change the way

[01:08:44] survivor was played that always has the same ending some people who've tried in the past have

[01:08:49] realized the error of their ways like neka from survivor 43 I'm still not sure bono does even though

[01:08:56] he said before tribal council I realized that honesty has no meaning in this game

[01:09:02] I truly believe if for some reason he were brought back he would play the same way again it's too

[01:09:08] deeply ingrained in him to put it aside for playing a game as tiffin he said if you want to win in

[01:09:14] million hearts go volunteer even Jeff said on his podcast bono drove his try made's crazy that was

[01:09:23] clear but it's not because he was a compassionate caring person he drove them crazy because of his

[01:09:28] lack of gameplay abilities this is Jeff talking about gameplay abilities that's how far and he's your

[01:09:35] guru yes the ability to put aside your emotions your honesty parts of you that you cherish in every

[01:09:43] day life all of that is necessary to again to put it away for a survivor leading up to tribal council

[01:09:52] bono said a momentary truth caused so much and he added five seconds of my honesty ruined my game

[01:09:59] no it didn't there was a lot more than that ruining his game it was just the final straw

[01:10:06] as bono yeah yeah as bono himself said in tribal council I don't have anything I don't have a vote

[01:10:14] I don't have an idol I don't have alliances I screwed up this game big time I can't disagree with

[01:10:21] that I do believe bono loves survivor but he loves survivor the TV show he doesn't comprehend

[01:10:28] how to play survivor the game he had a very emotional journey and story and as I said outside the

[01:10:34] game he seems like an incredibly nice person but he's still really bad at survivor and that is why

[01:10:42] bono lost I think that's a very interesting point about that he loves watching the game yes and

[01:10:50] I you know and I do think that there are people and I've had conversations with people like this where

[01:10:55] they're like oh I love watching survivor I can never play it and that I think is a good I'm glad

[01:11:02] they recognize yeah like to have that realization about yourself like no I love the game and I

[01:11:07] watch it all the time I can never play that I can never play that game I think that's a really

[01:11:12] I think that's a great point to make that yes you can be a super fan but that doesn't mean you're

[01:11:16] going to be great at the game right and again it comes down to and this is not something I you know

[01:11:21] want to redebate again you know what is a super fan to me a super fan is not just someone who has

[01:11:28] watched every episode of the show right maybe even if you don't listen to podcasts even if you don't

[01:11:34] maybe read some interviews so he would have seen what happened with Neckah right as just one

[01:11:39] example because that one just jumped out at me right yeah it was it was two seasons ago I mean before

[01:11:47] he got on you know it right so all right well before we get to our predictions for the next episode

[01:11:55] remember to make sure you stick around for that let me remind everyone that the rules we just

[01:12:00] discussed are available in poster form go to robhazwebsite.com slash yxloss feed and scroll down

[01:12:10] click on it order it and you can do the same with the poster on a t-shirt or or and the poster on

[01:12:17] the checklist sorry on a t-shirt I am just I well I just realized that we you know I was reading the

[01:12:26] the the the page you get us and I just realized that I forgot to put the yxloss feed and yxl

[01:12:35] the y-gloss logo on the on the video so that's that kind of just convibrated me for a moment there

[01:12:41] gosh darn it blue and burg yes better late than never yes yes but besides going to robhazwebsite.com

[01:12:51] slash yxloss feed there are other ways people can get a hold of us yes there are you can follow me

[01:12:58] at jess glows 89 on twitter you can also follow david bloomberg at david bloomberg I am also on

[01:13:04] instagram at jess glows 6789 and i've said this before and i'll say it again i steal a lot of his

[01:13:09] content for my stories because it's super lovely and super helpful so i appreciate that greatly

[01:13:15] but david bloomberg is all over social media and seems to just continue to expand

[01:13:22] and develop more areas in which to post videos and to get his content out there and so he has his

[01:13:29] linked tree information that he's just put up on the screen yes link link tree uh link tree link tree

[01:13:38] link tree slash david bloomberg with a dot before the ee in link tree uh or you could find me on

[01:13:44] most tech space social media like twitter and blue sky as at david bloomberg and on the video

[01:13:49] platforms tic-tac youtube and instagram is at david bloomberg tv which is also my reds

[01:13:54] name because it's connected to instagram and you know you said that i've been expanding but

[01:13:59] i actually knocked off one i stopped to posting to post i am not on post or i am on post but i

[01:14:08] was not getting anywhere on post so i got rid of that and but you continue to try yes yes um

[01:14:15] and yeah i've been posting uh you know three or sometimes even four videos per day at tic-tac youtube

[01:14:21] and instagram right now and maybe that's where where my statement comes from because i will say when

[01:14:26] i go through my tic-tac or you page you're all over my free you but good good you keep liking and

[01:14:33] sharing liking and sharing i do i do um and uh everybody i mean uh and uh yeah so i'm posting right

[01:14:41] now clips of course from us survivor uh plus other shows like the amazing race dealer no deal island

[01:14:47] i just finished posting videos from australian survivor including uh my the whole season of mini

[01:14:55] wide-blank lost and of course the wide-blank won um speaking of australian survivor i joined

[01:15:02] sarah caradine on silent podcasts to discuss the final week the final five players and a really

[01:15:08] really great season overall this is probably the best season of australian survivor yet can i

[01:15:13] just tell you how jealous i was to see their final like immunity challenge really it's torture

[01:15:21] it was literal torture but that's why i loved it oh okay like this is this is what

[01:15:28] u.s survivor needs to go back to torturing people come on

[01:15:33] i'm sorry but when you put if you want to know who wants to win well yeah

[01:15:38] oh give them something that they really have to dig you've got to get it from inside

[01:15:42] to like the dig was the post the little pointy thing digging into their feet

[01:15:46] it was definite definite torture but my gosh that's what we need in the western

[01:15:52] survivor 100 percent i love that mm-hmm anyway all right well uh it is time for predictions and

[01:16:02] it's interesting you know you did so well last week you should just go first

[01:16:06] well i will okay good i i figure i almost always go first unless you get a prediction right

[01:16:13] and then i let you go first the next week which means i almost never let you go first um

[01:16:20] so uh fair very fair but this week is just because it's you're so bad at it you never get together

[01:16:28] because i've been right in each of them so far but we're entering a new phase in the season a

[01:16:35] post-bannu era where we could finally get on with the game maybe um maybe now of course

[01:16:43] oh it's yeah it's possible yan u will lose yet again but especially if there is a reward challenge

[01:16:49] the other two tribes will have to sit out at least some of their better players just because yan u

[01:16:55] only has three one tribe is going to have to sit out literally half of there you don't think they're

[01:17:00] gonna do a swap no not at this point really i i don't think there will be a swap at this point

[01:17:08] because i think they'll merge after like one more vote because what are we now we're at five four

[01:17:12] three um so that's twelve i think they'll do yeah they usually do the uh the the mergeatory at eleven

[01:17:25] because you have the five and five and one right and uh i think that's not like this math

[01:17:33] yeah so so yeah i don't think i mean he could fool us and there could be because they're down to three

[01:17:38] but i just don't think so um so but with that said i think yan u will finally succeed

[01:17:50] and then the question is which tribe doesn't my guess is it will be sega who loses um we saw

[01:17:58] how gem turned the target on tim somewhat and we also know that tribe is split men versus women

[01:18:04] except for charlie and maria in the middle i think the that those two will go with the women

[01:18:13] and take out tim despite the preview showing tim accusing jama planting the fake beware advantage

[01:18:19] which she did but he needs numbers to support him on that and i don't think he has those numbers

[01:18:25] especially since ben lost his vote so that's even one less number

[01:18:30] hmm these are all very valid points

[01:18:33] so yes i think it will be tim who i will say uh at least i i will say he has a good sense of humor

[01:18:42] about himself i today posted a tiktok of him falling off the platform in the water repeatedly during

[01:18:50] the reward challenge oh my gosh he really did do and and i said it to the music of under the sea

[01:18:56] and so he he liked it so much he put it on his own story so nice um oh that's good so it's good

[01:19:04] to have a good sense of humor about yourself but unfortunately tim my prediction is your next

[01:19:10] i'm sticking with there's going to be a swap okay because even though because here's the thing

[01:19:18] oh i just i want to believe that production is like okay we got to do something with this because

[01:19:25] it's getting the skin bad like i really want to believe that that's what they're looking at and going

[01:19:29] we need to switch something i just want to i want to so badly and so i'm going to stick with it

[01:19:35] i'm going to stick with it even though the numbers do not uh point in that direction i believe

[01:19:42] that survivor production is listening and paying attention and realizing that the game show they

[01:19:50] have created is just not that much fun when it's repetitive in this way so let's keep everybody guessing

[01:19:56] and let's do a swap even though people are now counting on their fingers and figuring out how many

[01:20:01] players are left and going hmm that's not usually how they do this just to keep it interesting

[01:20:07] and i think that's what's going to happen and then we can do a little swapy swap and here's

[01:20:12] what my thought is with that swapy swap oh here's my idea okay because i talked about this before

[01:20:20] however one's gonna be focusing on Kenzie right because she's been thrown under the bus as like

[01:20:25] a social butterfly but i think kenzie is good enough to save herself and i think kenzie in my in my

[01:20:32] world view will be able to save herself but i feel like q will not be able to oh i feel like

[01:20:42] that would be bad because q just today came out with a new new merchandise on his website so

[01:20:49] and that would be bad if he came out with it you know just before he's about to throw that out

[01:20:53] yes so maybe i shouldn't say this oh damn it i should have made you go all the way without giving

[01:20:58] and no but here's but here's the thing like i think it's going to end up coming down to

[01:21:03] if they do a swap which they're probably not gonna do but this isn't just because world are

[01:21:07] gonna do the swap and then you've got some some permutation where you know kenzie and tiffinie

[01:21:14] and q all have to end up somewhere and i just feel like and maybe maybe q came out with his

[01:21:21] merchandise because he knows next week is it for him that's what it is so he's like i got it

[01:21:27] i gotta get on this train now i gotta start selling shit because i'm almost out the door

[01:21:32] and maybe people will feel bad for me because i got voted out and then live by myself it's

[01:21:37] cute see you just saw it all right there you go convinced myself okay good i purposely tried to get

[01:21:44] you to convince yourself of the wrong answer that was my show he did a great job i should be on

[01:21:49] survivor uh it's crazy well i'm gonna well if i do that i'm i'm going to change the game

[01:21:57] i'm i'm going to play honestly i'm going to ignore all my rules and i'm just going to because nobody

[01:22:04] will expect it from me could you imagine if david bloomberg stepped on that map he will be like wait a

[01:22:11] second it's david bloomberg he made the rules of survivor and then they'd vote me out and all of them

[01:22:18] would come up and write my name down and go and this is why david lost so because yeah they would have to

[01:22:29] you know uh so yeah david you're wrong and then i'd have to wear this shirt yes i would just wear

[01:22:40] this shirt there that you know why you lost so all right well as we wrap up i want to encourage

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[01:24:39] thank you rob for continuing to support all of the podcasters and allowing us to to continue to

[01:24:47] do what we love to do and thank you david for uh humoring me in my selection of q this week

[01:24:56] and making me feel like maybe maybe there's a smidge just a little smidge um you know and that we

[01:25:05] got through this and i know that again i just can't say it enough like this is what david and i do

[01:25:12] is difficult because as someone who was a player i went through listening to people say things about

[01:25:18] me like david bloomberg um but that is part of when you put yourself out there and you play this game

[01:25:27] people are going to watch the game you plan they're gonna talk about it and so that's what we're

[01:25:31] doing we're trying we're trying to talk about it in a way that breaks down and allows potential future

[01:25:36] players to consider the things that we're saying and the rules that are put forth by david bloomberg

[01:25:42] in their own games that they would hope to be on survivor one day and play so thank you for listening

[01:25:48] we appreciate yes thank you to all our listeners thank you jesica for another great episode

[01:25:54] we will see everyone in a week and of course you can find me everywhere uh accept post uh until then

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