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[00:03:09] Welcome back to Why Blank Lost.
[00:03:12] I'm David Bloomberg and I feel terrible for random but we still have a job to do.
[00:03:17] And by we, I mean me and two very smart lawyers.
[00:03:22] First I love this intro. Thank you.
[00:03:25] First is my co host, a woman who definitely rocks Jessica Lewis.
[00:03:31] Look at that. Thank you so very much.
[00:03:34] I like most of the intro.
[00:03:37] You got to go with the rocks thing but I'll take it for what it's worth.
[00:03:41] I, I, all right, I rock in a good way.
[00:03:44] Yes.
[00:03:45] And welcome back to special guest, Karishma Patel from Survivor Island of the idols.
[00:03:51] Hey, everybody. Thank you so much for having me.
[00:03:54] I'm so excited to chat with y'all great intro.
[00:03:57] Nice to have you back again.
[00:03:59] We are rock star lawyers. That's what we are rock.
[00:04:01] So there we are.
[00:04:02] That's right.
[00:04:04] Yeah, we can tell Ben this definitely rocks.
[00:04:06] Yes, this rocks.
[00:04:08] Brandon's exit did not rock.
[00:04:10] No, not no.
[00:04:12] So.
[00:04:13] But yes, we knew this week was going to be so complicated to explain.
[00:04:19] So we brought in Karishma as a reinforcement.
[00:04:22] That's right.
[00:04:23] Or we pre-planned it and it's still cool because we get to talk to Karishma.
[00:04:28] So, you know.
[00:04:31] Well, I did, I did say to David when he was concerned like, oh, we have a guest this week.
[00:04:37] And obviously this week there's not as much to necessarily discuss about why I ran and lost.
[00:04:43] But I thought maybe this will make him more exciting if we have guests.
[00:04:46] And I'm so Karishma to get some pressure.
[00:04:48] Some pressure.
[00:04:49] Yeah, definitely.
[00:04:52] Definitely.
[00:04:53] I mean, I definitely have some opinions about the episode and this season as a whole.
[00:05:01] And we can sort of interweave that in a little bit.
[00:05:04] I mean, maybe some couple unpopular opinions but things to think about as the season goes forward.
[00:05:10] You know, might change my mind.
[00:05:11] So let's see.
[00:05:12] Okay.
[00:05:13] I love that.
[00:05:14] Yes, even though Brandon went out due to a Medevac, it is still our practice to compare his game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews, social media and secret scenes.
[00:05:31] The newest version of the rules can be found on the website by going to our dedicated page at wrap his website.com slash black slots feed and clicking on the link bubble or survivor rules.
[00:05:42] But before we do that, Karishma, how are you doing?
[00:05:46] And well, here's your first opportunity.
[00:05:49] What have you thought of the season so far?
[00:05:51] Well, first I'm doing great.
[00:05:53] Still working.
[00:05:55] I have a almost two year old now who takes up almost all of my attention.
[00:06:00] I don't know if you can hear he's screaming mama right outside my color right now.
[00:06:03] Oh, my heart melts.
[00:06:05] Yeah, but I'm doing absolutely wonderful.
[00:06:08] And as far as the season is concerned, they're going to have to put in some work to get me back on this season.
[00:06:17] For me, these first three episodes are not serving the cast is not giving me anything.
[00:06:24] I'm not feeling like, you know, I'm genuinely like rooting for anybody in particular.
[00:06:32] I'm not sort of like, you know, excited during the episode at the edge of my seat or excited to see what happens next.
[00:06:42] So I'm just waiting.
[00:06:43] I'm hoping because I know Jeff and company I know this guys, I mean, they really know what they're doing.
[00:06:47] They've done wonders, wonders in the past.
[00:06:50] I mean, look, we had what two episodes in a row that were duds last year at the beginning with the quitters and whatnot.
[00:06:58] At this season, it's just not doing it for me.
[00:07:02] So let's see and I'll tell you all.
[00:07:05] Yeah, I mean, I understand I, you know, I have some people I'm rooting for still and I understand it's sometimes in survivor.
[00:07:14] I, you know, the just the role of the dice and not the shot in the dark dice, but just the role of the dice in terms of who goes at the beginning and who, you know,
[00:07:25] what kind of story there is and if you, you know, there isn't as much ability to tell the other stories because those tribes aren't really scheming and plotting much or what they're doing isn't worth looking at.
[00:07:39] And so you have one tribe that's got most of the focus.
[00:07:44] And yeah, it's, you know, we'll have to see I think it will pick up.
[00:07:49] You know, I think it'll pick up soon.
[00:07:52] But yes, it's just, you know, there's been some bad luck in terms of who the first three people out have been and how it happened.
[00:08:02] I think too, there's a combination of things happening where things have become rather predictable. And this is something that we've talked about a lot on on this show is just that they need to stop doing the same thing every season because it really is becoming too predictable.
[00:08:21] And we talked a lot about the three tribes versus the two tribes and how much I think more story lines can be generated, the more people you have all congregating together instead of the smaller tribes because then what we're having because of that.
[00:08:37] And I was kind of contemplating this because people are like, oh, is this is venue just like the worst tribe? You know this because there's always like that one tribe.
[00:08:47] But if you really start to look at it, you have six people.
[00:08:50] Someone goes home. So then you have five people and someone goes home.
[00:08:53] And then you have four people. But those five people, those four people have to compete in everything whereas the other tribes get to sit out people and so people don't have to compete all the time.
[00:09:03] And so they aren't having to expend all of their energy in every single challenge and be exhausted and well, they're back at camp because there's only four people at camp to do all of the things that camp life includes collecting firewood doing all of these things if you have Flint.
[00:09:18] And that's the other thing, you know, Jeff with his sorry for you. You know it's like okay, they haven't had Flint. They haven't had fun.
[00:09:28] Yeah, just going to have any more interest.
[00:09:32] Yeah, how is this making it better Jeff? That's not a question.
[00:09:36] You know, to ask your Mike White question. Is it fun and the answer is no, it is not so come on Jeff let's let's at least improve that there.
[00:09:47] I should end up hurting people's ability to really play the game that we all love watching when you do things like that I understand that they want to try to keep people on their toes.
[00:09:58] And that's fine. You can certainly do that with players in a different way. You don't need to keep their Flint from them.
[00:10:05] You can do other things that would affect them and other things that would keep them guessing but let them have Flint to at least have fire to at least try to cook some type of food and do something so they're not just laying around being exhausted, not being able to compete and just we're seeing more of the same every single week.
[00:10:25] Yeah, I definitely agree. Definitely agree.
[00:10:28] So on another topic instead of the show itself, I know that the customer we've discussed this on a podcast before but it's been a while so
[00:10:39] maybe if you could tell the viewers and listeners your history with why blank lost in the rules.
[00:10:46] Oh, yeah.
[00:10:47] It was funny when I was in Houston a little while ago and you know we met up and you reminding me of that was fun.
[00:10:56] Yeah, so I actually studied it quite a bit before I went on survivor and I took I had one little journal to just just put all my notes
[00:11:08] that I wanted to focus on and I wrote all of the rules down on there.
[00:11:14] And for each of the rules, I had like a subsection of like ways to remind me how to follow that rule and what I've done and what I still need to do.
[00:11:24] And yeah, it was in my little notebook and it was definitely when I was in the hotel quarantine for I guess a couple days in LA before you fly to Fiji.
[00:11:34] I was reading it over and over and over again studying it memorizing it even at night in the 10th pregame that's what was my little note pad in the tent pregate like what we call it tent city back then.
[00:11:48] And just reminding myself of the things now I mean when I got out there was I really able to follow anything but I did continuously try to remind myself the crux of a lot of it is you know,
[00:12:07] try to understand other people's intentions.
[00:12:12] It's as possible and I remember that one very, very clearly because I remember reminding myself of that multiple times in my original 10 days at Lyro that I need to take a step back,
[00:12:24] you're not connecting because you don't understand these people.
[00:12:27] Take a step back, listen more talk less and see if you can understand them follow follow the rules.
[00:12:37] That's fantastic.
[00:12:39] Yes, well thank you.
[00:12:40] Y'all saw what happened.
[00:12:42] Well, listen, we have said it time and time again.
[00:12:46] So I'm going to go out there that was my dog with your like plans, like this is what I'm going to do.
[00:12:51] This is how I'm going to play these are all of the things that I want to have happened and then the game just smacked your face and you're like so much for my plans and you really do have to adjust and you have to be flexible
[00:13:03] but it's good to have that base so that we know where am I starting from and what do I need to try to get back towards because if you don't have that, then I think maybe we see some of the gameplay we've seen.
[00:13:15] I'm going to go with I'm unless unless it came out of Jeff's mouth, I don't think Bano knows much about the game.
[00:13:28] We'll get to that in a minute and he especially wouldn't have liked it when we were having our regular segment on why Jeff was wrong because Bano and that's literal sacrilege to Bano you know his guru.
[00:13:41] Yes, you're not speak ill of the props.
[00:13:46] So so we would you know normally we would start to move on to random here but we always have some other things to discuss about the episode and this week we're going to have more than usual because so much of the episode dealt with people other than random.
[00:14:04] So indeed a huge amount was spent specifically on Bano and there were so many great quotes by and about him that I feel like we have to discuss him and I know we could basically be doing why Bano lost one week early but we can't let these wait you know I really think we have to go into these.
[00:14:26] I mean you know we were talking about I just mentioned how many how much Bano there was when I sat down and went through the video that I had captured to make tiktok's of I was like oh what about Bano what about Bano what about Bano what about Bano what about Bano what not about Bano.
[00:14:44] Another about Bano about you know it was the Bano special it was I mean this whole week on tiktok is going to be all Bano all the time.
[00:14:54] Yeah and I feel bad for Brandon because it's like right his episode he was the one leaving and there were so little focus put on him right and there were so much focus put on Bano that it just seems unfair and then we're going to continue with that trend so sorry.
[00:15:10] I know and I'm sorry and then I'm really sorry.
[00:15:14] So both before and during the episode I fully expected Bano to follow Jess and David out of yarn or Jolinsky just Jessica and David thing.
[00:15:28] And it was you know it was still a very clear possibility we will never know for sure but I think that would have happened.
[00:15:37] I do not think he was going to convince Tiffany to vote out Kenzie because you know Tiffany told us Kenzie is savvy and smart and charming but she believes that Kenzie is on Tiffany's side.
[00:15:50] Yeah so I mean too much like she's already doing all the smogs in my brain yeah.
[00:15:57] So of course there was everything leading up to that starting from right after the previous tribal council with Tiffany trying to console Bano for them not telling him about the fake idol but the way she consoled him was like yeah we didn't tell you because we didn't trust you to keep your mouth shut.
[00:16:17] Right right you know and it was just like yeah yeah I never want you consoling me Tiffany you know because that is.
[00:16:25] That's everyone's excuse though isn't it like oh you know we were worried you might leak it or something but the bottom line is always you don't tell them because they might.
[00:16:35] They might say yeah I'm just saying the way she was trying to console him was it was yeah being a little too honest there.
[00:16:45] Well that seems to be Tiffany's MO though right she does this like yeah so and then Tiffany tried to explain.
[00:16:54] She tried to explain to Bano that he didn't have to be honest about everything all the time even in tribal council she said you can totally lie to Jeff it's okay or just keep quiet but as we mentioned you know Bano worships Jeff and the idea that he would lie to Jeff he could even fathom it his mind was blown.
[00:17:19] We don't understand that but like that's what tribal council yeah right and that was that was one of the conversations I had with Jeff when I was in California and we were at and I went to the finals when you get to meet him and you sit in a room and you're having a conversation.
[00:17:38] One of the things I said to him was you will not get anything from me in tribal council.
[00:17:42] I said I don't understand why these people all of a sudden feel safe and feel like this is an opportunity for them to share and they talk about their game and they provide all of this information
[00:17:52] and everyone is listening and he thought it was fascinating that I was like I'm not going to give you anything and then I annoyed production because it wouldn't tell him anything during tribal council but I'm like I would lie.
[00:18:05] There was a time where they stopped the camera so Jeff could yell at me.
[00:18:09] Oh really oh yeah oh yeah tribal council is just another stage for you to play the game.
[00:18:17] Stage what I mean like a stage in a theater.
[00:18:20] Yeah that's what tribal council is it's not some sort of safe haven it's not where you spill your guts it is another venue in which you play a game right no.
[00:18:33] And I don't think it's a coincidence that you two are both attorneys you know when to talk when not to talk you know how you trip up other people into talking when they should not be talking.
[00:18:46] And so I don't think it's a coincidence that both of you came in with that same mindset.
[00:18:51] Oh yeah.
[00:18:53] But you have no one to hold on.
[00:18:55] That's right as the old as the old proverb.
[00:18:59] You got me.
[00:19:02] I'm ready.
[00:19:05] That was an incredible scene.
[00:19:08] They let it go they let it go and that was great that was great TV.
[00:19:15] And yeah I mean just it's interesting though one thing that is interesting about it is a lot of commentary has been like tribal
[00:19:27] councils are so meaningless why do we spend any time on them nobody says the truth they just throw out some metaphors and then they go to vote.
[00:19:35] So at least Bonyu has shaken that up.
[00:19:40] It's uncomfortable it's like it's one way it's one thing to go into tribal council and try to spin some stuff but it's another thing to just literally like what what
[00:19:54] Tiffany say like stop making the block hot.
[00:19:57] It's like perfect explanation of what not to do like yes you can say things but you are making everyone just kind of look at each other and go wait what what is happening right now and too much has been shared and too much is being said yeah it's just it's not great gameplay
[00:20:17] at all he's he's word vomiting not too much and that's another theme I feel like is in the season mean girls a little bit yeah but yeah Bonyu word vomit so
[00:20:28] that's not too much and yeah that that unpredictability is very very scary.
[00:20:34] Yeah anybody to be working with the you only want to work with somebody who you can predict yeah who you feel confident will behave and act
[00:20:46] and the way that y'all have agreed.
[00:20:49] Yeah unfortunately just his spirit does not follow that yeah I mean it's yeah I mean you know as Kenzie the mermaid dragon said he doesn't have a strategic bone in his sweet little body
[00:21:04] and he loves the game he loves to watch it but it's different to play it and then few later said he has a passion for the game but he doesn't understand the game and both of them came to that same conclusion and I'm sure Tiffany probably shares it and so do I you know we've talked about this
[00:21:21] before you can be a fan of survivor without really knowing how to play survivor and from now on I think we're going to be pointing back to Bonyu every time we mention that he will be legendary like
[00:21:38] Jolinski just not necessarily integrate allegedly working on that Jolinski thing I still need to find out what happens when the tribes merge yes I mean I think
[00:21:50] anybody who understands survivor also would have had a negative reaction to being told they're the Philip to someone else's Boston Robin yeah and then also later that there are liability you know what he just he took it in stride now as far as the
[00:22:10] I will say the color of Bonyu sweater does close to match Phillips underwear it's a it's my question and yeah so fascinating now when Bonyu was chosen to go on the journey his tribe mates all knew he would spill everything and of course he did and then he complained to Ben and Liz they said I'm not strategic I'm only emotional
[00:22:39] literally as he was proving them right by having an emotional meltdown while telling them everything mm-hmm yeah I think Rob mentioned out of podcast that his 10 year old was like that's what you're doing now
[00:22:54] smart kid yeah he's got yeah so it's like I feel for him I feel but I think he's broken a little bit his spirits broke it well and you could tell because he was like spinning conspiracy
[00:23:13] or he was spinning he was he was you know he was like but what if they're telling me this when they're really doing this or maybe it is this and maybe it is that and it's like look I know
[00:23:24] you got to consider all the possibilities and yes you can get paranoid out there but you've got to latch on to something you know you can spiral completely out of control
[00:23:34] well and I think that that is a very interesting component of the game because it's not real life and some people don't really recognize that when they go out and play
[00:23:44] and Bonyu seems to be someone who is a genuinely kind I mean it sure says be kind right he's actually wearing a t-shirt that says be kind
[00:23:52] which by the way is the same message on the local schools little message board right now I drove by and says be kind
[00:24:01] and I was like I think it was up before the upon you but I think it's also like kindless kindness week or something like that well and I think
[00:24:11] that's just who he is he's a genuinely kind soul and when you play survivor you can't always be kind you have to be willing
[00:24:20] to be a little backstabby or lie and manipulate because that's part of the game and if you are not comfortable doing that and I'm not saying that you have to
[00:24:30] enjoy it but it is part of the game and he I feel like he's just someone who is struggling so much with that aspect of it
[00:24:38] because it is not who he is and he's not understanding that that's who you have to be in order to play survivor.
[00:24:44] Right. Right. Yeah.
[00:24:46] I have a like a theory on what's going on with Bano so as a fellow Indian right I'm I'm full on you know appreciative of casting to start casting
[00:25:00] Indian people a lot more person for representation matters and I think it's amazing that we're seeing that
[00:25:06] and then with somebody like Bano who is very, very spiritual very, very religious right and in our religion there's this whole concept of detaching yourself from material things
[00:25:20] and once you do that you can achieve like a heightened sense of enlightenment
[00:25:26] and I have a feeling Bano's obsession with survivor has less to do with the game survivor as we know it and love it
[00:25:36] and more to do with the concept of living in the jungle detached from everything else and freeing your soul of material things which is the divine
[00:25:48] and I feel like that's where his whole I came here not to win the million dollars but to win a million hearts I feel like for some kind of a freeing his soul and connection
[00:26:02] I think he went on the game seeking an enlightened form of connection and in that first couple days in this first week I don't know how long it's been
[00:26:11] when he's not achieving that right he's being stripped of everything his soul is bared but it's not being connected to
[00:26:21] I get the feeling that's breaking him and that's what he seeks more than anything I don't think the whole a million hearts thing means he wants to be popular
[00:26:31] social media or wants a million people to love him I genuinely feel like he has felt like he's achieved that principle of a sixth sense almost
[00:26:47] and he isn't connecting with other humans the way that he seeks and craves so much and that's breaking him so much
[00:26:59] and that's what's chipping away at him making him second guess everything he's thinking making him you know feel like he doesn't you know everybody's against him and behave the way he's behaving
[00:27:11] that's when I look at Bano that's what I see is happening
[00:27:17] I get all all I wanted out there was to connect I realized the hard way that the number one thing that I personally need in my life is connection
[00:27:27] and without forget food forget shelter forget drinks forget everything else without connection I break
[00:27:34] and I learned that that's the lesson that I learned out on survivor and that didn't have much to do with like Hinduism or anything but I kind of feel like that when Bano was in tears just continuously saying like I'm not out here
[00:27:46] from million dollars I'm out here for something that I'm not getting with these people yeah I broke my heart a little bit
[00:27:52] yeah that's what I sense is kind of happening with him yeah and also I mean even in his pregame interviews he had said something like you know when he grew up
[00:28:03] everybody you know he grew up poor and everybody supported one another there was no back
[00:28:10] there was you know and that would be the hardest part and we're seeing it we're seeing it play out in front of us
[00:28:15] and so yeah and and that you know that lack of connection continued too because like and it was funny when I was watching it
[00:28:30] and I still think it's somewhat funny because it's not about him it's about the others he was he returned from the journey
[00:28:36] and he basically you know moped his way back into camp looking for all the world like you're you know
[00:28:44] and he's walking in the other so like how was it I'm like yeah right the room people come on
[00:28:51] they weren't even I think those were Tiffany's like you should be happy you were on a journey yeah he's like okay
[00:29:02] that was that was really funny yeah and then he goes to cute what do you think and I'm like what was the point
[00:29:10] just yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not great gameplay at all
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[00:31:50] 18 plus and then of course we could fast forward to the end of the
[00:31:56] episode and I don't know how this plays in with what you were just talking about
[00:32:02] chamba in terms of religion but throughout it all he had been praying for a
[00:32:08] miracle and yes I don't know yeah and then Jeff told them about random
[00:32:15] and Bony said my prayers been answered so friends which if you believe that
[00:32:22] it means God injured random on Bony's behalf no I don't think he connected all the dots
[00:32:30] and you know I know all the dots but we're hearing it right and some people tried to
[00:32:35] argue with me on Twitter like you know but he said his prayer was answered
[00:32:42] and I mean you're right he probably was not connecting all the dots he was not
[00:32:46] thinking that way but you prayed for to stay in the game that prayer and you
[00:32:52] said that prayer was answered but it was answered because someone else got hurt
[00:32:56] you can't have one side without the other he didn't get into my part like his
[00:33:00] brain to get to the part we all know that right but people on Twitter they
[00:33:06] should have known it who are arguing with me so yeah it's like oh yes like
[00:33:11] you said cringe no so yeah and I'll tell you it was so every
[00:33:20] Medevac I've cried I mean I've been tears and everyone Bruce was
[00:33:25] Medevac on the first day I was I was a mess I was a mess because it is so
[00:33:34] gut wrenching and like looking at Randans face last night like I was
[00:33:39] definitely tearing up like I was definitely crying because it's like his dream you
[00:33:44] know and it's being taken it's like he don't even know I mean Bruce like you knew
[00:33:49] it's had injury your bleeding you know we got it for but for Randan he didn't
[00:33:54] even know I mean they were like it could go away tomorrow or it could be something
[00:33:58] yeah right now we don't know and that uncertainty that must have been so
[00:34:04] heartbreaking for him and you know I it just it just broke my heart and for
[00:34:12] Janus reactions I mean I think I'm gonna chalk it up they did not get to
[00:34:17] the butt yes because I think I think any player any player would
[00:34:22] understand yeah heartbreak that comes with being Medevac yeah I was
[00:34:29] actually going to ask you about that because I saw that Jake from last season
[00:34:32] had tweeted to ask if other past players had felt like their Medevac are
[00:34:37] much harder to watch after having played and you responded yes so so
[00:34:43] definitely definitely very very difficult to watch and I can empathize
[00:34:48] very very very much yeah now I know I know that we just talked a lot about
[00:34:55] that and some people from what we just said may get the idea that I or we
[00:35:02] don't like the guy because that happens whenever we criticize anyone's game
[00:35:06] it doesn't matter whether it's here or on tiktok or wherever someone is
[00:35:10] always like why do you hate them I'm not it is literally our job okay
[00:35:15] and so you know he that's not the case he seems like an incredibly nice person
[00:35:21] he does he seems like a wonderfully amazing person he's just not a good survivor
[00:35:28] player so far he's not yet yet yet we don't know it could be the
[00:35:34] better yeah but I really think he can have a meal and it would be like
[00:35:41] maybe I don't think so I would have only a minute yet but it's possible
[00:35:48] it's possible yeah you never know if he makes it to the merge I think he's on a
[00:35:54] train to the end in my opinion oh yeah and that's something that they discussed
[00:35:58] on know it all was one percentage chance does he have of being in the final
[00:36:01] three and they came up with some pretty high percentages because yeah if he
[00:36:06] does make it to the merge who's gonna want a bother taking him out right he
[00:36:12] isn't going to be a threat right the only concern I think that they would have is
[00:36:16] kind of keeping him in check but if no one is necessarily working with him
[00:36:21] he can't do much damage by himself because he's one person so it might just be
[00:36:26] better to say hey yet Bono come along with us you're good to go we'll do the
[00:36:31] scheming and plotting you don't need to worry about it right right but he's gonna
[00:36:35] have to connect with some people for that to happen yeah yeah the speed of
[00:36:38] people sort of managed being around his personality which may be a lot
[00:36:42] different than what these people are used to back home they're gonna have to
[00:36:45] adapt and be flexible yes and so yeah I mean and I do want to say even if he
[00:36:52] ends up going this week we will still have plenty more to examine in a
[00:36:56] Y Bono lost podcast so nobody fear about that you know if it happens next week don't
[00:37:01] say I'm not bothering to listen because he already went over so we will have plenty
[00:37:06] I don't think so I don't think it's him next week I don't think that they would
[00:37:09] have devoted so much time this week on someone who is just gonna leave next
[00:37:15] week and I'll tell you something production calls audibles a lot y'all
[00:37:21] know this they could have had the tribal council there's no rules in place
[00:37:26] there's somebody gets that a back you don't have you tribal they could have
[00:37:31] they they canceled this tribal for a reason and well I mean they have a
[00:37:37] schedule to keep and I think sometimes I think sometimes they have extra
[00:37:41] space and sometimes they don't so like in in 44 when Josh was about to
[00:37:48] vote it out they canceled tribal council as well because it would have
[00:37:54] wrecked their their schedule is to when the merge came and when everything
[00:37:58] came so from that standpoint you know they have some flexibility but especially
[00:38:05] I think now in the new era I don't think they have as much flexibility with
[00:38:11] you know we have to get one person out per time you know to get to this
[00:38:16] many episodes so I think you know at least there's there's the precedent set
[00:38:22] with you know with you know in 44 them not going to a tribal council at
[00:38:29] that point so yeah I mean we'll see I don't know that they're banking on a
[00:38:35] whole lot more content from Bannu that you know that we haven't seen but who
[00:38:39] is it's not just me. Now other people in that tribe you know like you
[00:38:46] he it seemed as we watched like it seemed like he was getting ready to throw
[00:38:51] in the towel after that I don't understand and I don't understand that well I
[00:38:56] didn't think he really would it didn't come off looking good for his part
[00:39:00] he said on Twitter part of life is owning when you screw up and being willing
[00:39:06] to pull responsibility of it. No one is quitting just in that moment felt
[00:39:11] responsible and part of it was trying to test to see if voting me out is an
[00:39:16] option for them that lasted five minutes then it went was back to work.
[00:39:20] Okay so it was it was a game it was a game move.
[00:39:23] I don't like it. I don't like it either. I mean that's what he's saying
[00:39:30] could be rationalization for what happened for now I guess I don't have
[00:39:36] any reason to disbelieve it. I will say in Australian survivor and I'm
[00:39:42] not going to spoil anything well maybe a little there was a player who had an
[00:39:48] advantage and with this advantage he needed to get everyone to vote for him.
[00:39:57] Okay and so he put on this whole actor is whole acting clinic about how he
[00:40:07] wanted to quit and everybody please just vote me out and everything else.
[00:40:11] I won't say if it worked or not because that would be spoiling it.
[00:40:14] What's a one time advantage because you can't do that again right and yeah and so
[00:40:19] sound like much of an advantage well and well if he got that done then his
[00:40:26] vote would be the only one that counted. That's the advantage part.
[00:40:31] But yes so there are reasons for people to say that but now in the future whether
[00:40:38] an Australian survivor I doubt it will happen in US survivor but like if anyone
[00:40:42] ever wants to be voted out in Australian survivor they're going to all just look
[00:40:46] at them and be like no you quit just quit we're not going to vote you out.
[00:40:51] Yeah so yeah or they just have one person vote for someone else right right in case.
[00:40:59] Yes now switching tribes I don't really have much to say about Siga other than the
[00:41:06] idle segment flashback to four days earlier was weird.
[00:41:10] Yeah I understand it wasn't important as to when it actually happened in the
[00:41:15] timeline but they had two hour episodes they could have done it then which
[00:41:20] makes me think they did it now because they literally didn't have anything
[00:41:26] else for Siga.
[00:41:29] Yeah because they wanted to show something from each of the tribes obviously and
[00:41:36] nothing interesting happened on Siga I don't know I mean that's hard to believe
[00:41:41] but I don't know when I first saw it I thought that they were showing it in this
[00:41:47] episode because Siga is going to lose and they're going to have like gems
[00:41:50] going to have this whole continued right I don't get sure.
[00:41:54] Right what I was gearing up for the second I saw that but didn't happen and
[00:41:59] like shaking my head but I agree with you it must be that there's just
[00:42:02] nothing happening because they haven't lost yet.
[00:42:04] Right.
[00:42:05] No minds have been drawn there's nothing else for them to talk about or do
[00:42:08] it's a tie you know yeah I agree with you entirely.
[00:42:11] Well yeah and there was a secret scene of gem trying to get Tim and Ben to
[00:42:16] talk strategy and nobody would nobody would Ben especially I really like Ben
[00:42:23] but he was like no I'm not talking strategy because we haven't lost yet.
[00:42:28] I don't know so I'm not throwing names out there.
[00:42:32] I mean in the tribal breakdown seems to be you know two women, two men and
[00:42:39] the new Malcolm and Denise in the middle so until something happens there's
[00:42:43] really nothing more to discuss.
[00:42:46] Yeah.
[00:42:47] Now I will say one thing that I thought was interesting from this and I
[00:42:51] mentioned it while live tweeting was that gem was the first person to note
[00:42:55] to us that there were specific follow up instructions about what would
[00:42:59] happen if she wasn't still on that beach before losing a challenge it
[00:43:03] was always someone had you know of course freeze framed.
[00:43:09] The note the note and we had seen that that was there but they hadn't
[00:43:13] mentioned it on the show.
[00:43:15] And so you're fine.
[00:43:17] I think that the reason they had her read it is because she won't still be
[00:43:23] on that beach which means a swap or emerge will happen first.
[00:43:28] Yeah.
[00:43:29] Which is happening soon.
[00:43:32] Next week but it's got to be the week after I mean if there's no action
[00:43:36] happening you got mixed up.
[00:43:39] Yeah they need to do something to live and live and things up a bit because
[00:43:43] it's really not live.
[00:43:46] No, people are not.
[00:43:49] Yeah.
[00:43:50] And I will say during that whole seagull thing with gem and digging in the middle
[00:43:54] of the night and everything I had to my mother and then one of my friends both
[00:43:58] reached out to me and they were like isn't it really dark?
[00:44:02] Yeah.
[00:44:03] I'm digging in the dark and I'm like well the stars are actually kind of like
[00:44:07] they light up more than you would think but yeah props to her for being able
[00:44:12] to do all that in the dark because it's a lot of the phase of the mood.
[00:44:15] Very much.
[00:44:16] Yeah.
[00:44:17] Because the phase of the moon will determine whether I mean when it's a full moon
[00:44:21] it is full light.
[00:44:22] Like you have a lot of light.
[00:44:24] Yeah.
[00:44:25] It was funny because she mentioned how dark it was when she was digging
[00:44:28] but then the note then she was reading the note and I'm like okay
[00:44:32] we know you're not reading the note right there.
[00:44:35] You know you're reading it right there.
[00:44:37] Yeah and then the person will give them a light to read the note.
[00:44:40] Yeah.
[00:44:41] And I will say when they try to talk to you at night they do have a light on
[00:44:45] their camera as well.
[00:44:47] Yeah.
[00:44:48] So they have that too but it is they do warn you like you need to start getting
[00:44:53] ready for bed now if you're going to do anything because once the sun goes
[00:44:57] down it's dark.
[00:44:59] Yeah.
[00:45:00] So they are definitely on you before.
[00:45:02] Good go to the bathroom now you have 20 minutes once it is dark.
[00:45:07] It is dark if you try to get up and go to the bathroom you will get hurt.
[00:45:11] Yes.
[00:45:12] I remember I remember I think it was a Carson saying like in his pregame
[00:45:15] interviews for 44 like saying something to the effect of like I'm going
[00:45:20] to run around out there in the dark and I'm going to do that.
[00:45:23] And then afterwards he was telling us at one point he was like oh it
[00:45:27] was so dark I couldn't see a thing.
[00:45:29] Yeah.
[00:45:30] I was thinking it was incredible when like the first night I still remember
[00:45:33] them being like when they were warning us like it can't be that bad and
[00:45:37] then it was that bad and then Ken got up and went found the water well
[00:45:42] and we were like he's never coming back like he will be gone forever because
[00:45:46] it was so dark.
[00:45:48] We attached we attached like a long row from the med box back over to
[00:45:53] our cancel if you need to go in the middle of the night.
[00:45:56] All that's genius.
[00:45:58] Follow the rope over follow the rope back.
[00:46:00] Yeah.
[00:46:01] That's a great idea.
[00:46:02] Yes.
[00:46:03] Sorry guys I haven't eaten anything all day my husband brought me you know.
[00:46:06] Okay.
[00:46:07] All right.
[00:46:08] Before I pass out.
[00:46:10] You need to eat.
[00:46:11] Yes.
[00:46:12] Yes.
[00:46:13] Don't don't pass out from lack of food on a survivor.
[00:46:16] I'm not going to go yawning on your own.
[00:46:18] Yeah.
[00:46:19] Exactly.
[00:46:21] Now on Nami we saw Venus complaining that Hunter was too well liked.
[00:46:25] While he made a bed and won the immunity challenge almost single handedly.
[00:46:30] So yeah Venus.
[00:46:31] Good luck getting rid of him.
[00:46:33] Oh my gosh that bed looked amazing.
[00:46:35] Oh my gosh I was looking at it.
[00:46:37] I was like that basically in India is like.
[00:46:40] A bed you can you buy at the market.
[00:46:43] Amazing.
[00:46:44] Yeah.
[00:46:45] He is somebody.
[00:46:46] I want on my team.
[00:46:47] Yeah.
[00:46:48] Yeah.
[00:46:49] I want to keep that guy around for sure.
[00:46:50] Right.
[00:46:51] Right.
[00:46:52] Right.
[00:46:53] And I'll have some more thoughts about that later.
[00:46:56] But of course we had the situation with Randans by the back.
[00:46:59] Yes.
[00:47:00] We're talking about random.
[00:47:02] I think some of it will fit within the rules as strange as that may sound.
[00:47:07] It'll make more sense when we get there.
[00:47:09] But.
[00:47:10] I think we have to discuss a few things here.
[00:47:13] First, there was a lot of immediate reaction.
[00:47:16] As it happened.
[00:47:18] About how ridiculous it was to pull someone for a test.
[00:47:21] And then find out it wasn't as bad as they feared.
[00:47:24] I agree with that.
[00:47:25] I had a whole thing prepared.
[00:47:27] But in this case, we heard from Randan in his interviews.
[00:47:31] That even though it wasn't as bad as they thought,
[00:47:34] it was still pretty bad.
[00:47:36] You know he told Rob in his interview that he couldn't have come back to the game after the screen.
[00:47:41] And he really couldn't even move his hand.
[00:47:44] So that settled that part.
[00:47:47] You know, I mean, yes, I still believe it's true.
[00:47:50] That you don't want.
[00:47:53] I don't like you know if you have to get a test, you're out.
[00:47:57] Yeah.
[00:47:58] But in this case, it was more than that.
[00:48:00] And my thing is it would have been nice if survivor had actually given more of an indication as to how serious it really was.
[00:48:10] And I know.
[00:48:11] That they did which was right.
[00:48:13] Yeah.
[00:48:14] And I know they didn't want to give it away earlier.
[00:48:20] But like he was examined after the challenge, even though he didn't participate.
[00:48:25] And then he said he had a big lump on his neck and he had all this other stuff and pain and everything else.
[00:48:32] And they were opportunities when production could have shown that this was serious.
[00:48:38] Oh, sure.
[00:48:39] It really came out of nowhere.
[00:48:41] Give him the time that he deserves for his last final episode.
[00:48:46] Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:47] I mean, it was blind sighting the viewers.
[00:48:49] I mean, I know people were, you know, a couple of people on Twitter had said there's only 15 minutes left.
[00:48:54] That's not enough time for a tribal council.
[00:48:56] And I was like, well to me, that says it's an obvious ponu boot and they're not going to spend much time in tribal council.
[00:49:01] No, you know, it just all of a sudden goes goes back to random.
[00:49:05] And I was like, oh, okay, I see where this is going.
[00:49:07] Did you guys get the feeling?
[00:49:09] I don't know.
[00:49:10] I got the feeling when Jeff was approaching like Randans faced it and changed.
[00:49:14] It was as if maybe the doctors have given him a heads up already at his last examination.
[00:49:19] Like, hey, this examination is not looking really good.
[00:49:22] We're probably going to have to pull you.
[00:49:24] I got the feeling like he had kind of accepted that already.
[00:49:29] And from his interviews, he basically, he said it was not a surprise.
[00:49:33] Yeah, I didn't look yet.
[00:49:35] Yeah, I will.
[00:49:38] Yeah, I will say when Dr. Will said he consulted a colleague who's a neurosurgeon.
[00:49:44] I thought they called in Vouché.
[00:49:46] You know, but no, then then he said her.
[00:49:49] So I was just like, oh, that was Vouché's weight on the show.
[00:49:54] That's right.
[00:49:58] So that was a lot that we talked about before getting to the rules.
[00:50:03] But there was a lot in this episode that really had nothing to do with the rules.
[00:50:08] And so is there anything else either of you to want to discuss before we move on to the rules?
[00:50:15] I feel we should probably move on for 24 minutes.
[00:50:19] Well, I did.
[00:50:20] I just want to say before the podcast started, I predicted 45 minutes before we got to the rules.
[00:50:25] So well, look at that.
[00:50:28] Yeah.
[00:50:29] Yeah.
[00:50:30] Yeah.
[00:50:31] Yeah.
[00:50:32] No, I can be a little long winded sometimes.
[00:50:34] Now, I say that and then I'm about to mention that by the way, before we get to the rules,
[00:50:38] we want to dispension that they come in a shorter and much more colorful version as a poster.
[00:50:46] And you can go to rob his website dot com slash yx lost feed, scroll down to the poster and click on it
[00:50:52] and then buy it.
[00:50:53] And then it will be shipped to you in addition, you can keep scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt
[00:51:01] or you can keep scrolling and get the checklist on a t-shirt which Jessica is modeling for us today.
[00:51:07] I love it.
[00:51:09] Not great.
[00:51:10] Yeah.
[00:51:11] I was reading.
[00:51:12] I was like focusing in on your boobs too much but I was like, yeah, I'm reading.
[00:51:18] That's all right.
[00:51:19] You and focus is fine.
[00:51:22] I like it.
[00:51:23] That's a great shirt.
[00:51:25] So again, if you want that shirt, you can go to rob his website dot com slash yx lost feed
[00:51:32] and just click to your heart's content.
[00:51:36] That's right.
[00:51:37] All right.
[00:51:38] So we heard in the pregame that Randans wife and daughter suggested he applied a survivor but neither
[00:51:43] of them thought very highly of his chances.
[00:51:46] He showed them because he was never voted out.
[00:51:50] But how is he doing up until the point of being pulled from the game, what were his plans going forward?
[00:51:57] Let's look at how everything was going for him even though we know the technical reason why Randans lost.
[00:52:04] Now the first and most important rule other than like rule zero which is well, rule zero we have talked about don't quit.
[00:52:10] I guess rule zero sub a is don't get injured.
[00:52:15] And so, so okay that's fine.
[00:52:18] That's taking care of that's not on the poster.
[00:52:20] But rule one says demon plot and we saw a little bit of Randan doing this and he filled in more details in his interviews.
[00:52:28] What we saw mostly involved him talking to soda a little and then making an alliance with Venus where he seemed to be his only her only support in the tribe.
[00:52:38] It turns out some of the stuff about soda was taken out of very important context because when I looked back at my notes, I was like oh yeah I remember that that was terrible.
[00:52:50] But when Randan was talking to soda about Venus, I was ready to say he was scheming too much because he alerted soda to his feelings and she immediately ran to Venus but Randan clarified.
[00:53:04] Him saying that to her was a test because he didn't know if he could trust her.
[00:53:10] And so when she ran back to Venus, she failed that test and he knew he couldn't work with her going forward.
[00:53:19] That is a very risky move to make though because you do run the risk of not only affecting your game with the person who is then telling the person on you for what you said.
[00:53:32] The person that has now been told might have bad feelings towards you knowing that you're saying things about them so it's a tricky not necessarily great thing to attempt if you can pull it off.
[00:53:45] That was a great sword.
[00:53:47] Yes 100% yeah.
[00:53:50] So he said or he told Mike Bloom that he felt that he had good reads on people but part of those reads were that he saw he couldn't get in as tight with some as others were for example the Andy Griffith Alliance of Tevin and Hunter.
[00:54:06] He felt that he would have voted with them if they had gone to tribal council, but not been a part of them.
[00:54:13] Yeah, so you know I'm thinking that's probably what he was talking about when we saw him looking for an idol and saying you know he didn't feel like he was really in with with everybody.
[00:54:25] Yeah, otherwise though he said in interviews that he felt pretty safe if they had lost a challenge he expected Venus or soda to go.
[00:54:32] And he said that in that situation he would have tried to save Venus and get others to target soda and in fact it already begun working on Tevin in that regard.
[00:54:42] But if that hadn't succeeded, he wasn't going to go down with the Venus ship.
[00:54:47] He would have joined with the numbers against her and in the meantime he told Dalton Ross he was as close as he could be to both the tevin hunter duo and to Venus to cover himself for the merge.
[00:54:59] Yeah, he didn't feel like he was necessarily close with very many individuals on his tribe and I think that's why we did see him.
[00:55:08] Like trying to connect with Venus and so it felt like that was someone he had more of a connection with almost because he had to because he didn't have that closeness but at least he was seeing that and recognizing it and aware of it because a lot of the times what we've discussed is that people don't necessarily see their surroundings
[00:55:27] and they feel like they are in better with this group of people than they actually are.
[00:55:31] So the fact that he was cognizant of that I think speaks volumes to his read of the room and the people he's playing with and knowing how he needs to move forward and what he needs to do but fully aware of the situation at the same time.
[00:55:46] Yeah, I think Brandon had great social awareness and that can be a really big downfall is if you mistakenly believe that you're closer with a particular group
[00:55:56] than you really are.
[00:55:58] Don't sort of realize that maybe with a group and I'm at the bottom of that group that's the classic downfall.
[00:56:05] Yeah.
[00:56:06] Yeah, now one thing that Brandon mentioned to Gordon Holmes relates to the scene we saw of Venus insisting that hunter was running everything.
[00:56:16] And you know, Brandon was like no it's obvious the Tevin is running everything and he added that randomly bringing up people's names doesn't make sense when you don't have the votes to do anything about it.
[00:56:29] And especially while he was trying to get them to vote soda so you know so I had mentioned earlier you know the idea that Venus was like oh I want to go after hunter and he's he's over there like stop it stop it don't.
[00:56:44] Stop his name stop doing that.
[00:56:47] And I connected them a little bit I think that took a little bit of the random Venus connection away I think he disagreed with her and you know maybe felt like you know I don't know if I can be on the same page as her and like you said maybe was considering
[00:57:03] you know letting her know at some point yeah.
[00:57:06] All right well the second rule says not to scheme plot too much and to keep your scheming secret.
[00:57:11] As I mentioned a couple minutes ago I thought I was going to discuss him talking to soda about Venus but it turns out no that wasn't an issue.
[00:57:18] I can't think of anything else he did that would be a problem in this rule that we saw can either of you.
[00:57:25] No I think he played a very like quiet game that he was aware of what was happening he was involved he wasn't pushing things to happen but I don't I don't think he was doing anything that was.
[00:57:38] Shocking that was too much I think he was really playing it a very well paced game.
[00:57:44] Yeah didn't he and correct me from wrong wasn't there's a little bit of talk about him idle hunting getting caught idle hunting.
[00:57:52] Yeah yeah so the other way around and actually I'm not even sure I would say caught because he said in his interviews that she was kind of obvious about it from the.
[00:58:05] So and then didn't you just say I'm idle hunting yeah yeah yeah yeah so all right well the third rule tells players to be flexible and there's a funny story about this rule and.
[00:58:20] I'm bringing it up because normally we talk about being flexible strategically but with random I think we need to talk about being flexible physically too and so Jessica why don't you tell the story because you were the one who participated in it sure so if you're going to display that everyone so the top I have to point this way.
[00:58:49] So I'm going to go down to high I was showing what the flexible.
[00:58:54] Okay so be flexible yes is there and originally see that top picture there next to rules of survivor with the people trying to hold up the falling down shelter in very flexible ways.
[00:59:09] That was the original drawing that Eric had come up with for be flexible and though I loved it and thought it was beautiful I had to explain to him that's not what we meant by be flexible or why should do a David meant by be flexible so I explained to him what was meant by being flexible and then we talked about what players would probably represent that the best and we thought Kim would be a perfect representation of that and so.
[00:59:38] She ended up becoming the representation of rule number three and then that just became a funny little depiction on the sign but yes that was opposed to that's where I came from.
[00:59:50] Yes and I'm glad he kept it on but it was great yeah yeah so yeah you know this maybe the first time we're discussing the physical version because whatever random did we don't know was it sleeping on the bamboo was just.
[01:00:07] Something that happened in a challenge he's a very physical challenges you know it was significantly worse than we saw we mentioned that earlier he described in interviews how he had excruciating pain worse than a migrant he had that big swollen area on the back of his neck and yes doctor will mention something on his neck briefly as they were pulling him but we didn't hear anything about it before.
[01:00:28] You know even though that was the main problem so that goes back to what we were saying earlier i initially thought he got bit by like a poisonous spider or something that's what I thought I saw for sure yeah I immediately pegged really like sensation yeah yeah I immediately pegged it as a pinch nerve on Twitter I was like oh sounds like a pinch nerve and then he the doctor came on said.
[01:00:56] Sounds like a pinch nerve I was like yes look at you David medical degree doctor even your right yes but I also did not have all the information you know yeah with the neck injury to so.
[01:01:10] And I will say would sleeping I have just have to mention so sleeping on the bamboo I we did what was called like the rotisserie term when you would sleep on the bamboo because a certain part of you would be in a lot of pain because you were sleeping on the bamboo then he had to turn and then.
[01:01:25] Another part of you would be in pain they turn again so it's like throw a tisserie turn the entire night when you were sleeping on bamboo so i'm not surprised that the bamboo is finally taken someone out of the game because it is not comfortable.
[01:01:36] In the location of the knots on the bamboo are key if that yeah if there's a knot in just the wrong place and you're on it that could do a lot of damage yeah not comfortable.
[01:01:50] Yeah not not.
[01:01:53] Not.
[01:01:54] Now from the lens that's more in line with the way we actually look at this rule and being flexible christmas what did you think of random.
[01:02:06] I mean we didn't I honestly feel like I didn't see enough of him to really engage an opinion on his flexibility.
[01:02:15] I mean had his tried lost and you know he had to sort of figure out where his vote was going to go what was going on we may have seen a lot more of his ability to deflexible ability to adapt but unfortunately we did not get that far.
[01:02:34] And so I don't think that his flexibility ever became into practice.
[01:02:40] I think we saw a little bit of you know his willingness to be open to working with Venus.
[01:02:49] Unfortunately did her or her being on the outs right you kind of get that sense that she is who the tribe has decided as we lose it's going to be her but he remained flexible and kept an open mind to working with her and
[01:03:06] I think that is great at that stage a lot of other players wouldn't have been as flexible would have followed the herd and the her.
[01:03:16] Yeah yeah yeah you know that brings up an interesting point that we saw last was it last season where.
[01:03:25] And now everyone's names have left my brain but Emily Emily wasn't really connecting people on the tribe and then she was kind of scooped up.
[01:03:35] And take it is wing Caleb thank you Caleb's wing and that had great effects on his game and her game combined so I feel like that's kind of what we were seeing here that he was looking at someone who was on the outs and thinking this could benefit me.
[01:03:51] So I am going to take her under my wing i'm going to share this advantage with her and I'm going to now know I have a solid number with me so I think that's a great point to bring up for sure yeah.
[01:04:03] Now I will say that he ran and told Mike once he realized Mike bloom the ones he realized he wasn't immediately clicking with people the way for example hunter and tevin clicked.
[01:04:16] That he needed to start changing his game and adapting immediately he said so in tevin are hyper social players i'm like a mid social player I can get there but I have to have a catalyst and so the first impressions of getting there I immediately felt like.
[01:04:32] It was I had to change up what my perceived kind of gameplay was based on what I was seeing with the hyper social gameplay with my team it so he said that's what he did again it's hard to judge because we didn't see it.
[01:04:47] Yeah right from what you're saying he saw.
[01:04:51] What needed to change and he moved to change that's the social where he's coming in right that's yeah very good.
[01:05:00] All right well the fourth player tells the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them Jessica what are your thoughts about random for this rule.
[01:05:10] He was so even I don't think he had any issues at all with this he even when he was struggling and going through all of this pain he even kept it on you know in check and didn't shout about it didn't scream even they wanted to and I think he realized that
[01:05:29] that they could have a negative effect on this game and so I really think all of his responses to what he was seeing happened on his tribe the conversations that he was a part of versus what he was in a part of but aware of all really he.
[01:05:43] Like was I don't know you said a really good mindset about him and how he was working through all of the permutations and the possibilities so I don't think he had any issues here at all.
[01:05:55] No this chapter would have a footnote for me see Bono maybe that's why it's not for what not to do yeah yeah I mean you know I think Brandon did well here though of course there wasn't much opportunity to test it but based on what we saw and have heard about his relationships he saw so
[01:06:19] that might be a problem trapped her into revealing that but when he did it's not like he got mad at her and well I find her something right some people would have done that you know he filed it away he knew what he had to do going forward and similarly he didn't get upset
[01:06:36] at not being as tight with with Tevin and Hunter he made decisions on how to handle the situation right even when it came to Venus he wanted to be an ally to her but as we discussed a little while ago he also knew he might have.
[01:06:51] He has a good head on his shoulders I could definitely tell you had a good head on the shoulders even killed ability to manage his emotions yeah yeah.
[01:07:02] I will the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game in the third rule we discussed how he felt he had to amp up his social game and you have mentioned Christmas social awareness.
[01:07:13] But unfortunately we didn't really see that in the show so.
[01:07:20] We heard about it it's hard to say exactly what he did but it's good that he was thinking in that way and you know trying to change things up.
[01:07:32] I feel like on a tribe I'm so sorry I feel like on a tribe especially like like his one or two people are going to take up so much of the spotlight that it may leave very little spotlight to go around and I think that.
[01:07:49] Do you think that heaven could possibly be taking up the spotlight right right and so I think he was just kind of comfortable in that audience of tevin or maybe even so at times yeah.
[01:08:07] And you know playing at the social game doesn't always mean being in the spotlight and being sort of like right now and everything.
[01:08:17] I don't think that he was doing anything actively to break this rule per se I just he wasn't sort of the main actor at that time person.
[01:08:28] Yeah there's very big personalities on that right who aren't definitely going to be noticed and so it's fine to just be in the shadows a little bit that's fine.
[01:08:38] It leaves less space like I remember for us on the original I wrote like that was that was Elaine you know Elaine was such a big personality and it was amazing.
[01:08:50] It was amazing having her on our tribe because she brought so much entertainment and so many stories and so much humor and and all of that but she took up a lot of that space there wasn't that much of that entertainer talker you know people who can crack each other up.
[01:09:09] There wasn't that much of that space left because that space was Elaine space right and that's not her or anything that's just how it kind of have a cookie crumbled and I think that's what's going on here as I think the space is being taken up already.
[01:09:24] Yeah yeah all right well the six were warned against being too much of a threat from what we saw there seemed to be several people who would fall into this category on the nami tribe and we were just talking about those people.
[01:09:37] But Randan was not one of them at least from his read he thought he would be fine and you know from what we saw I agree if people were going to target threats it seems like soda and Tevin and Hunter would have been the ones to go after whether now or more likely even at the merge.
[01:09:58] Yeah yeah Randan could probably have continued to shield himself with other people at least for a while I think.
[01:10:05] Yeah I think he could have he there was enough like we've already said big personalities big players on his tribe that if he made it to emerge I don't think he would be the first one they would be looking at at all.
[01:10:17] There would be at least three other people on his tribe that they would look at before him.
[01:10:22] Yeah I agree.
[01:10:23] Yeah all right well the seventh rule covers idols and advantages in game mechanics and of course we know Randan got to be where advantage and he also decided to tell Venus about it to cement their bond.
[01:10:34] Normally I of course prefer that players tell nobody but in this particular case I think it worked to reassure Venus that he really was with her and you know kind of lock her in because she does seem to be the type of player who needs that reassurance.
[01:10:54] You know and you know after he told her Venus said she planned to work with him and use the advantage with him so it really did help kind of bond the two of them together.
[01:11:09] Yeah the her backs against the wall now she has something on them so.
[01:11:13] True.
[01:11:14] High risk I reward yeah absolutely yeah mm-hmm now this leads to a topic that has been discussed quite a bit already in social media and on some podcasts and I have to tell you I'm feeling a lot of deja vu because people were immediately asking could
[01:11:31] Randan have given the advantage to Venus if he wanted to now one part of this question does make sense in that it's specifically it's not an idol it's not like he's handing it would be handing an idol it's a clue that tells what will happen.
[01:11:48] Because it's a beware advantage and he already has taken the kind of the pain or he you know he has the pain of the beware advantage and so it's understandable because that does raise all sorts of
[01:12:00] questions but as to the question of people were like could he have done it after he was told he was out of the game we already knew the answer was no because we've seen and heard it before.
[01:12:10] Yeah so I sometimes think people like you know they forget these things after a season and well you know they didn't realize it but no once once you're out of the game you can't do that
[01:12:22] and it was like when when Matthew was taken out for his shoulder injury a couple seasons ago just to be sure though Jeff probes to emphasize two Dalton Ross and on his own podcast but the rules are clear if you're going to give something to someone you have to do it before you are officially told your pulled from the game.
[01:12:42] You know and so Jeff even said this means he could have literally interrupted Dr. Will and said wait before you pull me and then done it but of course or if you had even a slight inclination could hold on to it for a little while just in case he said he discussed his thought process and interviews and he did want to give it the Venus the problem was he didn't want to make it obvious
[01:13:10] and it was in his jacket and there was some series of events he described it very vaguely which makes me think like you do that there was either like production was like hey Jeff is coming or hit yeah he didn't want to get obvious like get up walk over to his jacket rummage through the pockets you know and so he said he wasn't able to do it
[01:13:32] and get it secretly before he was pulled so it left the game with him. I feel like he could have been creative though sitting there he could have said hey Venus I know what you're wearing on the island and it's
[01:13:48] you want my jacket. I'm going to leave my jacket and you can have my jacket because his jacket she would know but she would know but I think the rules I'm giving something to someone is you have to specifically say I am giving you this advantage
[01:14:04] and have what's in my pockets. I understand the limitations and the necessity for having a rule like this like at what point are you no longer allowed to pass something up something that makes complete sense
[01:14:22] but in this particular circumstance it's like you put him in a situation where you limited his ability to do that because he even said he goes I didn't know what I could do I didn't know what I was allowed to do in that moment
[01:14:38] and so here he's got Jeff talking to him he's got the doctor and they're explaining all of these things to him
[01:14:44] and in that moment are we really supposed to think that he's going to go oh wait hold up I have this beware advantage and I want to give it to Venus so can we just put a pause on this so I can take care of that
[01:14:54] when you're being told you might have to have surgery because this might be like a huge medical emergency that is incredibly serious you might have to get on a helicopter
[01:15:02] and get I mean like are you really going to be like oh wait no no no no no I'm less concerned about that and more concerned about the advantage in my pocket
[01:15:12] like I just feel like there could have been a different way to do that because in that moment you're not thinking about the beware advantage in your pocket
[01:15:24] apparently he was thinking a little bit but not enough because he even he talked about how you know this was the first time that someone would have ever wanted to give away
[01:15:34] a beware advantage that had turned into an idol yet and there are questions about that there are legitimate questions what does that mean
[01:15:42] if he hands it over to her does she and she accepts it does that mean she loses her vote immediately
[01:15:48] and therefore takes on everything that's in there again you know this comes back to something Jessica you and I have discussed
[01:15:56] and now with another lawyer on I'm sure you'll agree it is important to write rules that are clear you know
[01:16:04] and think things through and I think production did not think this through they have you know as we have said before
[01:16:12] and so when he brought this up they were like open yeah that's whole rule this whole situation is entirely
[01:16:20] 100% production driven right if production if production wanted him to pass on that beware advantage
[01:16:26] he would have been able to and they would have told him yes I mean you know the whole thing is production driven
[01:16:32] and I think it benefits production for him to do that because it's good TV right right
[01:16:38] the only thing I can think of is what you just said David is that they didn't have a caveat because the beware advantage
[01:16:44] isn't is it an option it's not a real advantage it's an option whether to take it and take the loss of your vote
[01:16:51] and they didn't really think everything through is instead of digging it up and making that choice
[01:16:56] if you're then given it given right somebody else you get to say no I don't want this thank you
[01:17:04] yeah you know I mean she's not to have that happen that's a cool TV for him to slip it to her like they could
[01:17:10] ease listen I've seen production I've seen production create a lot of other more difficult scenarios than passing on
[01:17:16] and advantage okay I've seen it we know it's possible but you're right if there's no real clear defined rule
[01:17:24] I mean it could be an interesting way to screw someone over if it allows it without you know like hey Jessica
[01:17:30] I'm gonna slip I have this advantage I want to give you okay and then you look at it and you've lost your vote
[01:17:38] and it's like what but then suddenly you're out of the game but you're you're making this move
[01:17:42] yeah I got it yeah yeah no I do agree that production could have taken steps to try to ensure that that would
[01:17:52] have happened they just not used to thinking it through you know we talked about that before
[01:17:57] they don't realize there are loophole everything you write there will be loopholes yeah yeah so again production hire me
[01:18:07] I will think these things through for you I will write all of them yes yes all right well we could move
[01:18:17] to appendix a very briefly because it is about players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and we talk
[01:18:23] about voting out the week in the strong then the week in the strong and there was no tribe voting here so there really
[01:18:29] isn't anything to talk about so like I said no very quickly there so with that it is about time to wrap things
[01:18:36] up uh parish book what are your final thoughts on random um random if you're listening I'm gonna talk
[01:18:44] right to you you were a joy to watch I had high hopes for you great social awareness I think you would have gone
[01:18:52] really far in the game really really really sorry but you know what I truly and honestly do believe
[01:18:58] everything happens for a reason everything in life that good the bad the ugly happens for a reason
[01:19:04] and this was your your your path however short it was um and at the end of the day you know you can
[01:19:14] at the very least hang your head on you know it was out of your control yeah well we know
[01:19:20] it happened for a reason it happened so banu could stay in the game that was the reason that was the reason
[01:19:26] look you gave somebody else it's like an organ donor
[01:19:30] oh no so sad
[01:19:38] you gave him his heart you give him heart he's after a million of them so he's well on his way yeah
[01:19:48] you only need 999999 more gosh we are terrible yeah oh random I do feel for random in so many ways
[01:19:58] because this is it has to be incredibly heartbreaking to have your dream taken away from you
[01:20:06] in such a fashion I know his family was looking forward to throwing him the first boot party
[01:20:14] so you didn't have a first boot party I hope they threw you a medevac party when you got home
[01:20:20] uh at least you got that out of it but I agree with fresh my I do really think that you would have done
[01:20:26] very well in this game you seem to have such an even centeredness about you and being very socially
[01:20:32] aware aware of your surroundings knowing who was close to whom and knowing who you needed to kind
[01:20:39] of take under your wing so you could continue to move further in the game I'd like to the quiet
[01:20:43] confidence that he had in the game some people might equate that to being a little more of a boring
[01:20:48] player I appreciate that type of player because they seem to be much more aware of what's happening
[01:20:54] around them and unfortunately for random he suffered something that was completely out of his control
[01:21:01] damn you bamboo for taking random out of the game it's very very frustrating I don't like the bamboo
[01:21:08] but random I hope everything has worked out for you in the end and I do hope you got that party
[01:21:12] from your family yeah I really suck for random that this happened to him and he had to get pulled
[01:21:19] from survivor I'm glad it turned out to be treatable and he was well taken care of but I still felt bad
[01:21:24] for him it's not like he was injured while climbing a rock for fun or something nothing against Matthew
[01:21:30] but hey uh it's just one of those things yeah it would be great if survivor does what they did for
[01:21:40] Bruce and brings him back out again though the call for doing that doesn't seem as
[01:21:45] as great since random at least got to play a few days and I don't think Jeff wants to set a precedent
[01:21:51] such that people expect it still we can hope because I do think random had some game in him
[01:21:58] and it would have been fun to see um random it really just started playing uh in his strategic
[01:22:04] maneuvering and had plans for the future but because his tribe did so well we never got to see those
[01:22:09] come to fruition being a pain in the neck has caused others to get voted out but I don't think
[01:22:16] having a pain in the neck has ever been the issue until now and that is why random lost
[01:22:24] christmas he has to he just he has to finish that
[01:22:32] all right well did you rock yeah that's right uh before we get to our predictions for next episode
[01:22:43] I do want to quickly remind everyone that the rules we discussed are available in poster form
[01:22:49] and poster on a t-shirt form and checklist on a t-shirt form so again go to robhezzwebsite.com
[01:22:58] slash yx lost feed and normally we have that on the bottom there but it doesn't line up well with
[01:23:03] three people so um uh so with that uh uh charisma where can people find you again we still have
[01:23:13] predictions coming goes turn off the podcast people but we just want to uh yeah check in
[01:23:18] i'm easy to find um qt charisma letter q the letter t charisma on instagram and x um i post my
[01:23:26] child and my adventures with my child mostly um but he is a goober and he is in ultimate sweetheart
[01:23:34] but that's how you can find me um every now and then i'll post some of my unpopular survivor opinions
[01:23:39] and get a lot of uh troll hate which is always fun always fun um yeah that that's where I am
[01:23:46] nice oh he's in texas oh my gosh i know you're in texas so i am not in texas um but
[01:23:55] texas i've listened my sister lived in texas for a time and she described it as you run from your
[01:24:02] air conditioned car to your air conditioned department to your air conditioned whatever is next
[01:24:07] because it's so hot in the summer so i've never had a chance to experience it i've been to
[01:24:12] Colorado but i've never been to texas i would love to go at some point but um so fun you
[01:24:17] phenomenon because when you look like you park your car you get out of your car and you walk
[01:24:21] somewhere through the parking lot you're you're immediately starting to sweat and you walk in
[01:24:25] and everywhere is blasting their aces i'm telling you like it like creating the tundra
[01:24:30] like blast so imagine you're walking in somewhere and it's blast of chill frozen air but you have
[01:24:39] sweat you have sweat so that sweat is turning into like ice on your body oh my god yeah that's
[01:24:47] actually what happens so you're actually shivering in summer not not a good transition it doesn't
[01:24:54] sound like it's too much fun yeah but that's the way i love to go to texas so i am at desk
[01:25:00] galois 89 on twitter and i'm at desk galois 6789 on instagram i am on twitter more so than
[01:25:07] i am on instagram i just end up reposting a lot of what david posts on his instagram story so
[01:25:13] thanks for doing that david because david lumberg is a guru he is a social media guru why did you
[01:25:21] buy new guru he is no you know you know i don't think you will be able to surpass Jeff props in
[01:25:29] bony's eyes especially after podcasts today so you'll just have to stick with being a social media
[01:25:36] guru and why don't you tell everyone where they can find you david it's everywhere yes there
[01:25:43] are a few ways to find me you could find all of my various accounts through my link tree at
[01:25:48] link tree slash david bloomberg with a dot before the ee in link tree in the url or you could find me
[01:25:56] on most text based social media like twitter and blue sky as at david bloomberg and on the video
[01:26:02] platforms tiktok youtube and instagram as at david bloomberg tv and because threads is connected to
[01:26:07] the instagram i'm at david bloomberg tv there as well they had to burn it on tiktok youtube and
[01:26:14] instagram i've been posting three or sometimes even four videos per day right now of course i'm
[01:26:18] posting clips from us survivor as i said earlier this week mostly bonner clips but also from other
[01:26:27] shows like dealer no deal island and i just finished posting videos from the traders finale
[01:26:34] and reunion so you should catch up on those i'm also doing mini wide blank lost videos and other
[01:26:40] clips from australian survivor uh indeed a few days ago i posted a video of an incredible challenge
[01:26:48] performance from australian survivor and it is approaching quadrupling my previous best
[01:26:58] with close to four million views at tiktok and another 5.6 million on instagram as of next
[01:27:05] year i told you i look at you david so well i mean the strategic ones still get a few hundred or a
[01:27:14] few thousand but someone on a doing a great performance in a challenge that attracts attention
[01:27:19] i guess so what are you going to do that's fantastic yeah uh now speaking of the traders finale and
[01:27:26] reunion the podcasts that i recorded last week in my three podcasts and one day um uh those are
[01:27:33] available now on the trade-art podcast i have spelled t-r-a-i-d-a-r or you and you could find it wherever
[01:27:41] you know you normally find your podcasts or as audio on youtube uh plus we are going to do a season
[01:27:48] wrap up in q&a that will be posted soon uh speaking of finalies australian survivor titans versus
[01:27:54] rebels is coming to an end Tuesday and i will be joining sarah caradine to discuss the final
[01:28:00] week and season overall on silent podcasts uh i'll be talking to her wednesday i'm not sure exactly
[01:28:06] when that will uh will come out so uh lots of finale and reunion mostly finale discussions
[01:28:16] taking place but we are not anywhere near a finale so we have predictions um yes now
[01:28:25] earlier i had mentioned that i was a little worried because we talked so much about bono and
[01:28:33] i feel like he might be going soon and indeed i do if there is no swap i i do expect him to go this week
[01:28:40] um i i almost decided to cut out part of the discussion for that reason but i decided to live on
[01:28:47] the edge uh you know i i i mentioned earlier that i don't think they were actually going to vote
[01:28:55] kensy out and i still don't think they will especially because the preview suggests bono is going
[01:29:01] to confess to at least some of what he said to lizen benn which of course he will because he's
[01:29:06] bono and he can't keep a secret to save his life um so i just i just think he's going
[01:29:14] i think i think yan u i think yan u throws it to get rid of um but q still wants to keep him
[01:29:21] hmm you're right you're right but do you think i don't know we'll see yeah i don't know
[01:29:28] i really are going to be a swap not in it the has to get signed i think it's going to be i think it's
[01:29:33] going to be a swap and this is and i i think it's going to be a swap because they i don't i
[01:29:39] agree so i don't i don't know if it was koreshman that said it or not but there was
[01:29:42] they spent way too much time on bono this week yeah to then see him just go home next week like
[01:29:50] there seems to be there needs to be some reason for why we saw all of this and my reason mean that i
[01:29:56] think is what's going to happen is when they do the swap what else did bono do in his
[01:30:04] vomiting that he was doing he threw kenzie under the bus like it could under the bus right and so
[01:30:10] then what did we also see we saw it was Liz and Ben go back to their tribes and tell them
[01:30:17] kenzie's run the show like it's all kenzie and he threw her so far under the bus they reported
[01:30:23] the same so i feel like there's going to be a swap and i feel like kenzie's going to be in a really
[01:30:27] really tough spot because of what bono said and i just i i want to believe that there was some
[01:30:35] reason why they spent so much time on this storyline there has to be some meaning there
[01:30:41] and so i'm just going to go out in the limb i'm going to say there is going to be a swap
[01:30:45] and we're going to see kenzie go home i like it yeah yeah before so i have thoughts on the swap but i do
[01:30:52] want to say you know something we saw on the preview at nami was that tevin was apparently or will
[01:30:57] be apparently upset at soda and wants to target her uh which i think could stem from some of the work
[01:31:03] randon talked about putting into shift things and make her sound like a threat to him but i think
[01:31:09] that's meaningless because i don't think they're going to tribal camp so you know i did want to
[01:31:13] mention it was in the preview but i i don't think it has any true meaning right um as far as the swap
[01:31:19] so there could be one uh last season jeff claimed that they always planned to swap at the point they
[01:31:27] did which would be this episode mm-hmm but i suspected it was actually he left some words out
[01:31:35] like we always plan to swap at this time if a tribe was down to three which yeah
[01:31:41] it's it you know yeah i don't think they're going to let that happen i think they i think they're
[01:31:48] seeing what we're seeing and it's like anymore yeah i mean if we gotta do something
[01:31:54] if he was telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth uh then yes this would be
[01:32:01] the time to swap if they were doing it like last season um i i could see everything that happened in
[01:32:11] the preview taking place before they're called to a challenge that turns out to be a swap sure all
[01:32:16] that stuff in the preview happens and then they get called and there's a swap and yeah at that point
[01:32:24] we have no idea who might end up where uh uh maybe bono will land with people who can
[01:32:31] not lose a challenge or who might want to keep him in favor of targeting someone else
[01:32:36] and i think that's his only hope but i i think krisch but you know i hadn't thought of it that way
[01:32:40] but i think you're absolutely right krisch but that i do think if there's a swap kensi is in
[01:32:47] serious serious trouble because there is literally no way she could end up with a majority
[01:32:55] no there's not enough people left for her yeah right because the only person in the whole game who
[01:33:02] wants to keep her is Tiffany right and if Tiffany and kensi end up on the same tribe together
[01:33:10] and the other you know try the the rest of the tribe is more majority i think Tiffany's going to be
[01:33:17] at that point like okay nevermind you know she's gonna be able to read the way things are going
[01:33:22] she's very serious yeah she really is mm-hmm and so i know i said bono so i'll just i'll stay by it
[01:33:32] because i don't want to switch do you see what happened there uh no i might swayed him a bit uh well
[01:33:37] i think krisch was right thanks for your help in that krisch man uh i think i'm talking rock star
[01:33:41] lawyer right right so my official prediction will be bono but yeah i will not be surprised if it's
[01:33:48] kensi after you know what you guys said so i mean other other podcasters have been saying well it
[01:33:54] doesn't look like there's gonna be a swap but they don't always advertise that there's going to be a swap
[01:33:59] in the in the preview you know sometimes you can keep us guessing right yeah sometimes it comes out
[01:34:04] in the later commercials or not at all so we'll see or nami loses and tevin wins over soda
[01:34:13] uh yeah i don't know i i don't see that happening but yeah so all right well with that as we wrap
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[01:36:08] so great scene you as always you always bring such incredible insights so thank you very much
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