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[00:02:17] This is Wild Blank Lost.

[00:02:21] And this is Wild Blank Lost.

[00:02:23] Oh baby, this is Wild Blank Lost.

[00:02:28] Welcome back to Wild Blank Lost.

[00:02:37] I'm David Bloomberg and I think the last time I ate an Applebee's might have been at a New York City RHAP event after they were a sponsor a few years back.

[00:02:46] Back once again is someone who is definitely not a hoebag.

[00:02:51] My co-host Jessica Lewis.

[00:02:53] Wow, he's not expecting that but thank you that I'm not a hoebag.

[00:02:58] Geez, that's kind of aggressive but okay.

[00:03:01] A co-host bag? I don't know.

[00:03:04] And anyone who's watching the video version of this podcast, you can see that we're also joined by a special guest, Dr. Jeremy Faust.

[00:03:14] Hi, thanks for having me.

[00:03:18] Now, for those of you who don't know Jeremy, you can often find him talking about survivor on Twitter and he's been watching since the finale of season one.

[00:03:28] He applied twice in the early years and made it at least a little in both times.

[00:03:36] But besides survivor in his normal life, he's an ER doctor in Boston, an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School.

[00:03:44] He's done a lot of COVID and pandemic research and if he looks familiar because I actually sent the pictures to someone and they were like, oh, he looks familiar.

[00:03:54] It may be because you've seen him on CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Fox, PBS, BBC, NPR.

[00:04:02] And he's also written about those topics in the New York Times, Washington Post and other places.

[00:04:08] But the real reason he's here is the one thing in the world that bothers him the most is the hourglass twist.

[00:04:19] I'm an automatic fan.

[00:04:22] I thought I hated the edge of extinction and then they said, no, you didn't hate that.

[00:04:28] You hate this.

[00:04:29] We're going to make it even worse right now.

[00:04:32] I'm still not convinced it's even worse, but it's bad.

[00:04:35] It's a toss up for me between those two.

[00:04:38] But you know, we're not here to relitigate that.

[00:04:43] Believe me, anyone who wants to know mine and Jessica's opinions on that, there are a number of podcasts that you can go back and listen.

[00:04:52] Plenty of gripe sessions exist out there.

[00:04:55] Yes.

[00:04:56] So, so yeah, this obviously is a little outside your normal area, Jeremy.

[00:05:06] And you know, we're glad that after you went through the minor leagues of CNN and MSNBC that you've come here to join us.

[00:05:16] Well thank you for having me, especially when your last guest was Heidi like literally like the fire making legend.

[00:05:23] I'm like, oh yeah, it's no problem.

[00:05:25] I'll just be the next guest after Heidi.

[00:05:30] Well you'll probably go though.

[00:05:32] Come on.

[00:05:33] You're the final guest of the season probably so you know you're you're you're we're going we're running, you know from here.

[00:05:45] You're the last guest anyone will have in their mind.

[00:05:48] No pressure.

[00:05:49] Yeah, and just for context like some you know how people say like I got to be on Survivor I got to be on my favorite TV show.

[00:05:57] That's how I feel like right now like I like I like this podcast more than I like Survivor.

[00:06:02] I'm living my dream.

[00:06:03] This is it.

[00:06:04] This is a girl.

[00:06:06] Yes.

[00:06:07] Although you take some credit for that but this is all David Bloomberg.

[00:06:11] Oh no it's not all David Bloomberg.

[00:06:13] Oh no.

[00:06:14] Oh no, it's the it's the dyad the duo.

[00:06:17] And thank you for not making me send an audition video my video back in the in the aughts when I sense it was actually quite legendary.

[00:06:25] I was a music student back then and I conducted 100 person chorus and acapella rendition of the theme song.

[00:06:32] And then and then I like broke into like my usual you know hi I'm Jeremy and here's what I did.

[00:06:37] It was great but I would have been on a season with like Rob Mariano and I would have gotten my ass kicked so quickly so I think it was good.

[00:06:45] You never know you might have shifted that dynamic.

[00:06:48] Come on.

[00:06:49] It's possible.

[00:06:51] Oh my auditions for this was texting David that's pretty good.

[00:06:54] Well, I mean it's been texting David for you know we've been talking for a while now so it's you know it's been a long audition process for you so.

[00:07:06] I'm glad you finally made it here.

[00:07:08] Yes, yes to the final final step in this process and now you're on the show.

[00:07:13] Yeah, I have the first two letters of Jolinsky so am I also a legend like the one time one episode.

[00:07:19] That's right.

[00:07:20] That's right.

[00:07:22] Speaking of Jolinsky.

[00:07:23] I might have met the guy recently.

[00:07:26] I was going to ask you how the survivor 50 pre gaming party in Vegas.

[00:07:30] I mean, Adam's wedding was.

[00:07:34] It was absolutely fantastic.

[00:07:36] Incredibly fun.

[00:07:38] Great to see so many of my cast members there and great to meet Jolinsky there was other survivors there as well. So it was just a nice little reunion bringing everybody back together.

[00:07:49] Sad that certain people were unable to be there for various reasons, but we were celebrating them in their absence as well.

[00:07:57] But overall, a fantastic time and meeting Jolinsky was completely unexpected. I did not know that he would be there.

[00:08:06] And I went to sit at our table, the assigned table that we had, which turned out to have been switched.

[00:08:13] And Adam told me later that he ended up having to reorganize tables and he's like I knew that you would be fine wherever you sat Jessica.

[00:08:20] And I knew that you would probably want to meet Jolinsky.

[00:08:25] And then I sat down and there he was at table several.

[00:08:32] It was incredibly poignant on the nose like, and he just loved every second of it so I appreciated that very much and he seems like an incredible human being.

[00:08:43] And I, I might have learned just a bit about Jolinsky and Q and some things so.

[00:08:53] It was a good time for sure.

[00:08:55] Well, good, good.

[00:08:57] Well, let's let's move forward into this here because in my prediction last week, I said, while some people still want Tiffany out, she wisely held on to her idol.

[00:09:10] So unless they get her to do what Hunter did, which I think is very unlikely, she'll be fine.

[00:09:17] What can I say? They made the unlikely happen again.

[00:09:22] And can I just comment here for one second because I was very impressed with Heidi's like, by the way, Heidi was fantastic.

[00:09:29] So thank you, Heidi for stepping in and covering for me.

[00:09:32] But her whole explanation, she was completely correct except that she thought Tiffany would use her.

[00:09:39] She was like the Q Tiffany split the whole thing.

[00:09:43] I mean she went into like great detail.

[00:09:46] And then sigh.

[00:09:48] It was that close that close.

[00:09:51] And then we were like, well, obviously Hunter's going to use his idol so we can't predict.

[00:09:58] Right.

[00:09:59] Yeah.

[00:10:00] Little bit.

[00:10:01] Yeah.

[00:10:02] But as I mentioned last week, even in situations like this one where there was one key moment in time where a player should have done something different.

[00:10:10] We have to remember that there's almost always a much bigger series of actions or events that led to it.

[00:10:15] We will find that for Tiffany by following our usual path of comparing how she played to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one.

[00:10:23] And have been updating ever since use and we will use all the non spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interview social media and secret scenes.

[00:10:33] The newest version of the rules can of course be found at robhiswebsite.com slash yxlossfeed scroll down click on the link bubble that says survivor rules.

[00:10:42] But before we address how Tiffany did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode and to start Jeremy.

[00:10:50] I already know a lot about what you thought of the season so far because as you mentioned we text back and forth but for the listeners.

[00:11:00] How are you liking this season.

[00:11:02] I'm loving this season. The early days weren't I didn't even mind that much people were complaining I was just like so happy to see strategy being discussed.

[00:11:10] And I've just been having a good time.

[00:11:13] I think that there's a lot of learning happening in this season I think like about the meta game and the new game so I've been just really loving it.

[00:11:21] And yeah, I have some thoughts about some like little nitty gritty details but you know overall by the casting incredible job.

[00:11:31] I just think the casting crew the people who cast the show are geniuses they're so amazing and the editing has been also really good like the cutaways like a couple weeks ago with like Venus like these dumb dumps like that.

[00:11:43] And so if you watch the edit, it's just like nuts how good it is it reminded me of like my favorite cutaway of all time, Aaron being like with coach. Who is this jackass like just like the sheer like artistry of the edit has just been so great with 90 minutes that we get to know these people.

[00:12:00] And I think that this week like they cut away from the sanctuary to like to Liz cross fading like trying to make fire. I was like, Oh the humanity so I just props to props to the edit props to casting props to 90 minutes, and the players are delivering and I have some thoughts about strategy but

[00:12:18] I've just been loving it. Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:21] I know that you tend to look at some things that happen on the show through the lens of an ER doctor. For example, you had some thoughts way back on the random meta vacuum.

[00:12:32] Yeah, there. I should write a whole thing on the meta backs and I and first of all I always say as a doctor. It's impossible to replace my judgment for people who are there. Like, and I'll see a patient come in and they've got their records and why do they do this and not and you figured it out but this

[00:12:46] is what the doctor did and it's like well I'm seeing it. The next step like you never know what they saw there, but so I never want to like say that the medical is making a bad call because I'm not there.

[00:12:57] I will say that I have questioned some of the meta backs in the past as being a little bit too like trigger happy on that.

[00:13:04] You know, I mean hey they can treat conjunctivitis out there right I mean they can do a lot of stuff.

[00:13:11] I might know that.

[00:13:13] Yeah, I can do that.

[00:13:15] But this was interesting to me because like for Bruce for example with the Bruce meta back. I thought they handled that perfectly. Like he hit his head it looked pretty rough they gave him a shot and then that evening when he got worse suddenly I was actually like oh gosh this guy's got an epidural hematoma like it's you know the

[00:13:32] rebound phenomenon like get this man to an OR you know I was like okay this bad.

[00:13:37] With the random it was interesting because he woke up with like an actual concrete neurologic deficit, you know he couldn't really move his arm that much. Now while that can be like the shoulder and the, the elbow with the nerves that go through it can be spine it can be brain.

[00:13:52] And but to me if you wake up with a neurologic deficit you've got to think of the worst case scenario brain or, you know, and they were like no. So they didn't do what I would do which is to like activate like a stroke protocol, even though there's good reason for that they probably looked at

[00:14:07] the guy and like yeah it's not a stroke. So then they kept him in and then they pull him later on this thing on the spine, but he has in my view no actual what we call red flags for someone who actually might have an unstable spine.

[00:14:20] So to me it was like you made the right call on day one and now you're like questioning it so I felt bad for random. Again, I could also flip back and say if you're going to pull them on the second day, you should have pulled them on the first day so better late than never.

[00:14:33] Yeah. It's got to be hard I know when during my season Paul went down and that was a big scary moment and people had to make determinations about his condition and whether or not he had had a heart attack and so there was a lot of quick decisions having to be made, because there is a final decision

[00:14:50] when there is a medevac and there's there's no back seas. And in my case, they didn't know what to do with me because they were like, are you contagious if you're contagious, you have to be pulled from the game because then everyone's going to get it and we can't risk losing the entire tribe because

[00:15:06] you're going to cause everyone to become ill. And they did not help my cause necessarily by not making everyone think I was contagious because they decided to treat it, but they were gloves when they came near me.

[00:15:21] They yelled at everyone do not share your water with Jessica do not share food with Jessica like do not go near Jessica. I was like, great.

[00:15:30] I'm so much fun right now. That's not hurting my game at all. Yeah.

[00:15:34] And so in my brain, I was thinking, well they're going to vote me out first because why would they want to keep someone around who they're being told is not contagious but literally being handled with rubber gloves and and you can't share anything and and so it was a very scary moment because I didn't want it to end up I didn't want to be removed and I didn't

[00:15:55] end up having my entire tribe vote me out because I thought I was contagious. But thank you for treating me and thank you for allowing me to stay in the game and telling people that I wasn't contagious.

[00:16:07] Probably was.

[00:16:11] Right.

[00:16:13] It was a little contagious there, but needless to say it all worked out so even though I love it.

[00:16:18] It's a good thing that nobody has nobody has Google out the island like I just Google pink eye and that's the most contagious thing in the world.

[00:16:24] You know,

[00:16:26] Listen, I will say this wrong I'm sure like it was.

[00:16:31] Now is pink eye viral or bacterial I'm trying to be viral bacterial or allergic or contact it there's a difference.

[00:16:39] Everyone is not supposed to be contagious. That's what they kept calling it and I was like, okay.

[00:16:46] Good for me but yeah. So thank goodness it all worked out and I didn't give everybody pink eye. Yes. Yes, I could just imagine a whole tribal council full of people with with their eyes.

[00:16:57] Oh gosh it was yeah it would have been it would have been so bad it would have been so bad.

[00:17:02] I mean, it's an interesting television.

[00:17:05] Yeah, I wipe out my whole job.

[00:17:10] Yes.

[00:17:11] Yes.

[00:17:13] So, so I have a few other things as well about this, this episode. And I don't know Jeremy if you had anything before I jump into those.

[00:17:26] Well, this is my one chance to be on the show ever so I want to say that I actually just we talked about your landscape I love to landscape he follows me on Twitter.

[00:17:37] And I've been thinking about this for so long the journey and all these journeys and in general I share Jessica and David you're you're just like for the advantages that come out of this and it's just let them vote and all that stuff.

[00:17:49] So the strategy on the first journey with was Maria Tevin and Jolinsky right. This is a very, very difficult thing and just the kind of the game theory that the Christian who became of it all like, and Christian someone I've talked to a little bit over the years about

[00:18:05] math and stuff and I thought about this a long time. And I have a strategy that I think would work one time for Jolinsky that wouldn't have screwed him and I want to share that I met.

[00:18:14] So that for those who forgot like I think it was like Maria was that sort of like the judge and then Tevin got a card and Jolinsky got a card, and one card was like good one card was bad right I can't skull or whatever.

[00:18:25] And, and, and Tevin and Jolinsky had to convince Maria that you know to pick me I've got the good card. Right. And but Jolinsky quickly figured out if I he had the bad card.

[00:18:36] If I if I'm really good at this and I convinced them, they're going to be mad at me. And they get they're going to think, Oh my gosh this guy's such a great liar and that's what he said when he told his tribe, why he gave up which was not great PR.

[00:18:49] So what do you do in that situation. He's right on the analysis like if you wins by being a great liar. It's like a backfire. And so what you this will work once you would say, Okay, before I got my card.

[00:19:02] I decided that I wasn't going to tell you what's on my card. And that way, I wouldn't have to be burdened by this but this guy over here is probably going to tell you that he has the good one.

[00:19:13] And I'm going to tell you that I haven't looked at I didn't look up my card or I didn't even I don't know what my card says or I decided it wouldn't tell you.

[00:19:19] And this is a game about lying and I hope that this guy's not a good liar or not. And then no matter what happens, he wins or loses. He doesn't have to be called a liar.

[00:19:29] Interesting. Interesting or a quitter.

[00:19:33] Because he didn't quit. He just, you know, he didn't give up. He just said, I'm not doing it. I'm not lying. You know, right? Who's the biggest who's the biggest quitter on on Yano. I just I'm not sure.

[00:19:47] I don't know. I don't know.

[00:19:50] What is what is what is that letter?

[00:19:53] What is the word quit?

[00:19:56] I'm just trying to spell it. I don't know what you're but

[00:20:00] Yeah, oh my God.

[00:20:08] We're going to hell. It's terrible anyway.

[00:20:11] Yes, I was on this show and I had.

[00:20:14] I was just I think that's a very interesting strategy. I kind of flip it on his head a little bit. I like that. That's good.

[00:20:20] If I was on the show and I had to vote for Q, I absolutely would take the British spelling of getting in line. The Q U E U E. Oh yeah.

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[00:22:05] All right. Well, one of the main topics of strategic discussion that came up this week was Kenzie initially being eager to turn on Tiffany.

[00:22:15] And while of course we'll get into the reasons why people wanted Tiffany gone, what happened with Kenzie was a symptom of the season overall with so many players being desperate to backstab their number ones.

[00:22:30] Kenzie even said a huge check mark on your resume is voting off your number one, which caused a lot of people to wonder why and to steal from Rob since when?

[00:22:42] Right. I thought it. Rick Devon's tweeted about it. I think both of you probably thought it.

[00:22:49] Now, I understand everything else Kenzie said about needing to differentiate herself from Tiffany.

[00:22:56] And of course the best way to do that is to get rid of her before final tribal council.

[00:23:01] I don't understand the part about it needing to be your number one that you get rid of.

[00:23:07] You know, Devon's noted that there's so much game left to play and it's nice to have a number one around.

[00:23:13] Tiffany herself told Dalton Ross, I don't think it's ever smart to turn on your number one with that many people left in the game.

[00:23:20] Dude, there's like 10 people still here on the beach. Why are you guys acting like nuts?

[00:23:25] Tiffany then told Rob it didn't make sense for Kenzie to turn on her at that point.

[00:23:30] She was going after someone who always had her back just to check off a box.

[00:23:34] It's the antithesis of what a good survivor player should do.

[00:23:38] So, you know, like I said, I agree.

[00:23:45] I mean, just categorizing it as something you have to do makes no sense to me.

[00:23:51] Yes. And I think what it ends up doing is actually causing people to question your loyalty, right?

[00:23:57] If you are willing to turn your back on your number one, then he would certainly be willing to turn your back on everyone else who you are then trying to commit yourself to after getting rid of your number one.

[00:24:08] You are much better off maintaining that relationship utilizing that relationship as an extra vote because then there's two versus just one person and trying to pull people in.

[00:24:18] And then when you get down to it and you really have to fight, that's when you I mean look at someone like, you know, when we've had seasons where they battled all the way down to four, which won't get into the firemaking component of it.

[00:24:30] But you know, like there's a time that you can then go after that person and it would make sense to the jury because you've played the game together.

[00:24:38] And now you know that one of you has to go but I agree too many people are left too many things have to happen in the game still.

[00:24:45] And no one is going to look at that and go, wow, you voted off your number one. You're awesome. No, they're going to be like, how loyal are you to anyone then it's not it's not a good game.

[00:24:55] Yeah.

[00:24:56] Yeah, I couldn't agree more and I was thinking about this. I had the same thought that Rick Devon said it's possible that two people can have the same idea I know Omar and Rob had the same idea about how to how Liz could have played that last tribal.

[00:25:08] And we were both thinking like, you know, Rick has a little more standing than I do. I got it. But but the idea of like how long do you go in the game before doing that move and you think about it like Jesse went after Cody like six to five or something like that

[00:25:22] or five and and Mary Ann goes, you know, with the old Marvo at like about the same time. It's like late in the game when you know you've got a path to the end.

[00:25:30] Maybe have an idol in your pocket and Mary Ann, like it makes some sense to make a move but like Tevin like thinking that soda was the move there. Like not only did he was my my winter pick. So I was like, not only was I like sad to see him go I was like you deserve to go my man like

[00:25:45] Oh, like, so that was my winter pick.

[00:25:48] Right. So we both got screwed that up and then agree. Yes. Listen, I have a theory. Okay, I'm just going to share with you my theory since you brought up heaven and soda.

[00:25:57] I feel like this is turning into and this is I'm not saying this to begrudge any of the players that are left, but it's turning into like the island of the misfit toys right because all of the like, like more like aggressive players the more threatening players are all like going after each other.

[00:26:14] And then so all of the other people, like the Venus Q you know the ones that people are people have basically said well they're not going to win so they can sit here and wait.

[00:26:25] They are going to now be running the game because everyone is like I'm going after that person and now I have no one to hide behind and then guess what that you're going to be the next target and I just I'm like watching this domino effect

[00:26:38] and then all of these people who were true threats to for you know winning the game which again makes sense to want to vote them out however you are then making yourself the next target by taking them out too soon.

[00:26:50] Right. Yeah, it's the same question you know I we discussed it with James it's one of his big issues is bring threats to the end so you don't get knocked out too soon and right and so now in this case.

[00:27:04] I think Tiffany's viewpoint compared to Kenzie's viewpoint comes from the differing positions of a player who feels confident they can win versus one who doesn't because Kenzie talked about differentiating herself and making that big move.

[00:27:19] Tiffany said she hadn't thought of turning on Kenzie because she was confident to go to the end against Kenzie.

[00:27:26] And so it does make sense for players who have you know differing viewpoints depending on where they see themselves.

[00:27:35] Kenzie probably did indeed need to take out Tiffany at some point.

[00:27:40] It's the idea that taking out your number one, you know is a universally understood necessity that makes no sense to me.

[00:27:48] And the idea of doing it so soon you know wait till later and then take them out if you feel you need to whereas like I said if you're Tiffany you're like no I I feel I'm good enough to go against anybody or just not anybody she left off a couple but

[00:28:05] Well and if you're Tiffany and let's say Mackenzie is the one that orchestrated this vote and Mackenzie makes it to the final three or Kenzie makes it to the final three is is Tiffany going to then go I'm going to give you my vote because you voted me out.

[00:28:22] I mean like you're you're running the risk of actually losing that person's vote if they feel like you've betrayed them in some way.

[00:28:30] Yeah I think James James also said something on one of the other podcasts about like it's okay to be at the bottom of an alliance it's okay to be like the third or fourth in the line so that's a great place to be because you're you can go far but you're not the tallest poppy.

[00:28:44] And so this idea of like I've got to knock off my like the threats like not if they're your ally there your smoke screen like that's the person.

[00:28:51] It's great to be around somebody like that because when when I have Sauron turns on your alliance you're not going to be the person they're going to be like oh if we get them it all falls apart.

[00:29:03] Yeah yeah.

[00:29:05] Now of course there was another player who turned on all his number ones and that's cute.

[00:29:12] But after that all blew up he has been quiet.

[00:29:17] And so this episode makes me raise the question is Q's strategy of lying low actually working for him because when he initially said he was going to do it I was like yeah okay whatever sure.

[00:29:30] But by acting defeated and out of the game he drew Maria to him.

[00:29:36] He made himself a much lower threat such that people just aren't concerned about him at all.

[00:29:44] Yeah.

[00:29:45] Is it which is incredibly scary and this is what I'm saying when you are essentially giving up power.

[00:29:54] By acting as if you don't have any and then letting the more significant players take each other out.

[00:30:03] You can scoot your way in there that final three.

[00:30:06] It's a very it's a very interesting play that he is participating in.

[00:30:12] Sure.

[00:30:13] There are so many combinations I ran the numbers like how many final threes how many final fours how many final five you can't do it all.

[00:30:21] You have to like think about who's going to be there with you.

[00:30:24] And I think that what you might be sensing is there are a lot of people as you said is misfits who like if he was in there at the end.

[00:30:32] They'd be like actually yeah okay Q.

[00:30:36] Yeah, which is crazy to think about it is crazy.

[00:30:39] It is.

[00:30:40] He's done a significant amount of things and and I know that we talked about this a little bit and there was some question whether or not.

[00:30:48] He like is he playing a game at a different level than any of us can actually imagine or and so there's still some debate there right they're like no maybe he really is just doing exactly what we think he's doing and kind of screwing up a little bit and

[00:31:03] I mean like okay I'm going to eat crow but if it works for him.

[00:31:08] It could appear to be genius for sure.

[00:31:11] Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:13] I mean, you know, I was the one who said there's no way Erica could win I was the one who said there's no way Gabler could win.

[00:31:22] So, I'm pretty sure I agreed with you on that.

[00:31:25] Yeah.

[00:31:26] I agree with you to I was I was like doing the dishes listening to you guys.

[00:31:31] I also I didn't want to come in too hot right with this but like to this show but I'm going to share like one thing which is like my fantasy addition to the rules, and that is that you need to remember that in the modern era, everybody knows the

[00:31:45] rules.

[00:31:46] And they and I think that was on cue saying like I'm playing at the next level. It's like, everyone's playing at the next level, right? Everyone there pretty much is either a super fan or they thought about this stuff.

[00:31:58] And which by the way will play into what I think happened to Tiffany is that she forgot that other players know the rules.

[00:32:05] And so you have to take that into account because it will end your game if you underestimate your competition.

[00:32:12] Yeah, oh yes.

[00:32:14] Definitely.

[00:32:16] All right.

[00:32:17] Now, I didn't make any specific notes about this but then I saw some conversations on Twitter, lots of conversations on Twitter and I thought well we can't fully ignore this.

[00:32:26] And so, you know, very briefly. I do think we have to mention, you know, the biggest event of the episode, which was the Applebee's meltdown.

[00:32:37] Applebee's urban mushroom meltdown.

[00:32:42] And

[00:32:46] it's a rain picking up a bourbon mushroom burger for this podcast.

[00:32:50] Wow, that's really cold wherever Jeremy.

[00:32:55] I got my cue skirt up top.

[00:32:57] Ah, okay.

[00:33:01] Because I've seen a lot of things. I've seen people attacking Q for refusing to have Liz on there and then further attacking him when the information came out from Tiffany's interviews that a couple of the people, not Tiffany, it was a Kenzie and Maria,

[00:33:18] tried to swap out with Liz and Q was like, uh-uh my reward. I get to choose who goes.

[00:33:26] It's a game. It's a game. He gets to make those decisions. They may not have been the smartest decisions. I mean, it certainly didn't help, you know, get Tiffany and Kenzie on his side.

[00:33:39] But it's a game and he, it's up to him.

[00:33:44] I've also seen people being like, oh, Liz is so entitled. No, Liz is freaking hungry.

[00:33:51] Okay. I used to have, and this, you know, at work, I remember we were setting up a meeting with an opposing attorney and we wanted to set the meeting for 11 o'clock and she was like, no, because this meeting is going to be longer than an hour.

[00:34:05] And once we get to noon, everybody's going to be hangry and we're never going to get anywhere.

[00:34:10] I was like, okay. But so imagine, you know, hangry, however many days she has gone literally eating nothing.

[00:34:20] You know, she's not entitled. She's hungry and as she said, she's pissed.

[00:34:26] And she knew that Liz, I'm sorry, that Q was not going to pick her, but she still had to try.

[00:34:35] And then she wasn't going to say anything. She even turned away.

[00:34:41] And then Jeff was like, because this is Jeff's job, was like, hey, got anything to say Liz?

[00:34:48] And she did. And it reminded me, I'm going to try to make this into a TikTok video. We'll see.

[00:34:55] It reminded me of an old three Stooges skit. Now obviously all of the three Stooges skits are old, but it's Niagara Falls because she turned.

[00:35:04] And it's Mo saying, slowly I turn step by step inch by inch.

[00:35:12] And then he starts, you know, punching curly and stuff.

[00:35:15] But that's when I saw that I immediately thought back to this old three Stooges thing that I had not thought about for, I don't know, decades probably.

[00:35:26] Yeah, because you know, Liz just turned, you know, and then that was then it just all came out.

[00:35:33] And then she come back down again just as quickly.

[00:35:36] And so I don't see this as entitlement. I know there have been plenty of Facebook posts and and Twitter posts about this.

[00:35:46] She was angry. She was hungry.

[00:35:49] And, you know, anyone who says that you try going out there for that many days and eating nothing.

[00:35:56] Right? I do feel though that it should at least be said.

[00:36:01] And I know that I saw this in some of the posts as well. Q has no obligation to feed anyone.

[00:36:09] Right. I mean, Jefferson pick people pick people and yes you get to pick who you want to pick.

[00:36:14] And I believe we talked about this at the beginning of the season when we were learning that she had all of these allergies and we were like, what is she going to eat?

[00:36:24] And how was she going to make it out there.

[00:36:27] And so I don't think personally that and I don't really think that this is what she was doing but she was really playing up the fact that she hasn't eaten well she hasn't eaten because she has allergies to things she went on to a show knowing she has allergies to coconut just the only thing you can eat.

[00:36:42] So like no one else is responsible for her choice to put herself on a show where there is no food for her to eat. That's her.

[00:36:50] And so I understand being hangry like totally get that yes I mean she can.

[00:36:56] Yes she's very, very hangry at this point but I don't think you owed her anything because of her dietary restrictions.

[00:37:05] But I also think it's interesting that he had any ability to control the choice of Kenzie or Maria or Tiffany like that to me I thought was interesting because I'm trying to remember back to other seasons where people did give up their reward and whose actual decision

[00:37:25] was it was it the person who was picking the ones to go with them or was it someone who had been chosen and then said I'm going to give it up to so and so like do you have any recollection about any of that.

[00:37:36] I just think nobody ever put their foot down before.

[00:37:38] I think it's always been the person who picks their decision but never before have you had someone like you who is going to say to hell with social niceties to hell with my standing in the game because it's already in the bottom.

[00:37:54] No, I don't want you.

[00:37:57] I want you and you and you and that's what I said and that's what I'm standing for you can cancel Christmas.

[00:38:03] Cancel Christmas. Thank you.

[00:38:04] I was waiting for you to say cancel Christmas.

[00:38:10] Okay, so that was the part that I thought was.

[00:38:13] Okay, so we'll talk about this in the rules because I actually think this comes back to Tiff in a weird in a really weird way.

[00:38:19] But David knows that I believe I'm not a big conspiracy theorist but I believe that production knew about Liz's tradition of going to Appleby's with her daughter.

[00:38:31] 100% they knew 100% and they figured oh my gosh this woman who's going to go into anaphylactic shock if she touches a coconut is not going to be eating for days and days and days.

[00:38:40] If she gets this far either she wins the Appleby's reward and it's like the most cathartic beautiful moment ever, or she doesn't get it and we get something like this I think they knew, and they're like let's bring back the old Appleby's for this season.

[00:38:55] I love that kind of manipulation.

[00:38:57] Other kinds of manipulation like votes and who gets the vote, not so much.

[00:39:01] Listen they might have, I'm just going to say this on our merch feast, they might have had an entire container of salt and vinegar chips.

[00:39:10] I'm just saying.

[00:39:11] Who likes it?

[00:39:12] They know what your favorites are because they make you write everything down for them.

[00:39:20] It's a lot easier to get salt and vinegar chips than it is to get a whole sponsorship from Appleby's.

[00:39:25] But Appleby's is a lot better before.

[00:39:28] Right but they would have literally had to have Cast Liz found out this story, sent advertising executives back to Appleby's and said have we got an idea for you?

[00:39:41] This person might or might not make it.

[00:39:44] We don't know.

[00:39:45] And if they do though you have a story.

[00:39:49] To me it's just.

[00:39:51] And if they don't it's the usual.

[00:39:53] I think that that's very probable.

[00:39:56] I really do because I do think that we've had some seasons where there hasn't been any sponsored anything.

[00:40:04] It's just been like the G&Pizza and everyone makes fun of it.

[00:40:07] It's not that bad.

[00:40:08] And then you've got things like this where else and it's Appleby's and it's some other big extravagant production of a company that is clearly sponsoring the moment.

[00:40:21] So I feel like if there's a little nudge towards Appleby's again, that could have been it.

[00:40:27] It could have just been her loving Appleby's.

[00:40:30] The one other thing that I my pre my pre season prediction was that because we knew there would be no auction.

[00:40:38] I thought oh look at how many players are the spouses of super fans.

[00:40:43] In fact they are less of a fan than their spouse Bonnu I think Jim right.

[00:40:49] I was like wouldn't this be the perfect season to bring back the family visits.

[00:40:53] And that's why they have all these spouses on or I don't think it's happening I think it's too late.

[00:40:58] Yeah. Yeah I agree.

[00:41:00] And almost everybody who was the spouse is gone I believe.

[00:41:04] But we love love.

[00:41:05] Yes.

[00:41:06] Jeff loves love.

[00:41:07] Yes.

[00:41:08] Yes.

[00:41:09] And Liz loves Appleby's.

[00:41:10] She does.

[00:41:12] Love is where good things happen unlike the sanctuary.

[00:41:16] Where they give you a chicken without any utensils.

[00:41:19] And it's like this big.

[00:41:21] Which apparently is all they could eat anyway.

[00:41:24] You know.

[00:41:25] Oh my gosh.

[00:41:26] And then nobody ate the burger.

[00:41:28] Can we talk about that for a second.

[00:41:30] Well Tiffany's they're dying.

[00:41:32] Tiffany now nobody eats the burger.

[00:41:34] If there was one part manipulation I absolutely think this was it because Tiffany said they brought out the burger even after the milkshake.

[00:41:44] You know exactly so it's after dessert.

[00:41:47] So you knew they wanted shots of her talking about oh that's my dish and then nobody ate it.

[00:41:53] Yeah.

[00:41:54] I thought all the time for somebody to just pull it out of their bag.

[00:41:57] I thought all those tight shots on the burger was like there's an idol in there or something but I think it was just it was all just this Liz thing.

[00:42:03] Yeah.

[00:42:04] Yeah.

[00:42:05] And you know this whole segment let's face it this will be good encouragement for other companies to sponsor survivor because they got their money's worth.

[00:42:13] Oh my god.

[00:42:14] Whatever they did get an infomercial they got an infomercial for sure.

[00:42:18] So.

[00:42:19] And then Twitter I mean it was all over the place.

[00:42:21] Applebee's was everywhere.

[00:42:23] Applebee's Chili's was trying to horn in on the action by sending messages to Liz on Twitter and they're like there's like a bidding war for her now.

[00:42:31] And so I think she's going to get like lifetime supply of these burgers at Applebee's it's going to happen.

[00:42:39] All right well there were of course still some other things going on.

[00:42:42] I will or have already put some of those on my tech talks at David Bloomberg TV but I think we're going to be able to get some of those things going on.

[00:42:50] But we should probably move on to Tiffany.

[00:42:54] Yeah that's a good idea.

[00:42:55] However, just before we do that we should remind everyone that the rules were about to discuss come in a much more colorful version in poster form.

[00:43:06] You can go to Rob has a website.com slash yxl feed scroll down to the poster click it and then order it and then hang it up and then post pictures on Twitter of where you've done it.

[00:43:17] where you've done it. I just added that last part because I think it's a good idea.

[00:43:20] It is a good idea. You can also keep scrolling, get the poster on a t-shirt, and get the checklist

[00:43:28] on a t-shirt. Now obviously it is too late to order these for the Chicago event, but if you have

[00:43:33] them, hey, wear them! I would love to see lots of these shirts at the Chicago event.

[00:43:39] That would be amazing. So again, that's robhazwebsite.com slash yxlostfeed.

[00:43:45] All right, well, Tiffany said in an interview that she still can't understand why Maria wanted

[00:43:51] her out so badly, but it was a question for another day. Well, today is that day and we will answer

[00:43:58] that question along with many others. As with last week, it's easy to say Tiffany was voted

[00:44:03] out because she didn't play her idol, but there were a lot of other factors, including both the

[00:44:08] background of what caused her to need to play the idol as well as other plots and plans going

[00:44:13] on around her. It's time to figure out why Tiffany lost. Last week, Heidi and I started with the seventh

[00:44:21] rule and for extremely similar reasons, we're going to do that again this week because this

[00:44:28] rule of course covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. And continuing with the theme

[00:44:33] of last week, the beginning of this episode began with Venus and Tiffany discussing what

[00:44:40] happened with Hunter. Tiffany gave one suggestion and Venus said no, he overplayed his hand and thought

[00:44:47] I could save this for the next time because clearly everyone hates Q right now. And she was mostly

[00:44:53] right though as we discussed last week, he based his decision primarily on one person, Tiffany,

[00:44:59] not everyone. But the reason I bring this up is that Venus essentially predicted

[00:45:05] the end of this episode and Tiffany's game. Substitute a few words and we have Tiffany thought

[00:45:11] I could save this for next time because clearly everyone hates Q right now. And then on top of

[00:45:17] that, Tiffany in that same segment told us if he did have an idol, I guess the smoke screen was

[00:45:24] so good that he didn't play it. Again, change the he and we have I guess the smoke screen

[00:45:30] was so good that she didn't play it. I bet the editors were loving it when they saw

[00:45:37] that video after already knowing the outcome. Yeah, oh, I'm sure they did. And I do think that

[00:45:44] this is a very interesting thing to have seen play out and then to see it play out again

[00:45:51] that normally you wouldn't necessarily see back to back moments like this because

[00:45:57] it really was so eerily similar. And you would think that Tiffany would be like,

[00:46:01] wait a second, this is what happened to Hunter and I'm not going to fall for the same thing.

[00:46:06] And then she did. And so it is really quite incredible that she felt so comfortable with

[00:46:14] the people that she was playing this game with so much so that she really thought she was in

[00:46:19] a fine place. Fascinating great gameplay that they were able to do it back to back

[00:46:25] like this. And I and I feel like even with Hunter, and I know I wasn't here last week talking about it,

[00:46:31] but he was clearly very paranoid and asking lots of questions. And should I be concerned?

[00:46:36] Tiffany wasn't at all. No, she was just like, we're good. And that was it. And so

[00:46:42] they really did a phenomenal job of making her feel like everything was fine.

[00:46:49] Yeah, and I just want to go back to earlier in the season when she I think it's the first

[00:46:52] episode or so where she got the idol or she got the advantage that then she could get the idol.

[00:46:57] And honestly, you know, rule seven, she handled it well. She took the risk, which I think is hard

[00:47:03] to do these days because you lose your vote. And then she got this puzzle, which wasn't all

[00:47:06] that simple. Kenzie was looking at like, I don't know what the heck is going on.

[00:47:09] And Tiff was like doing some beautiful mind stuff where she just like got it.

[00:47:13] And so I was like, okay, the light bulb is on here. She's fast. She's calm, composed.

[00:47:17] She kept it a secret except from what she thought was her number one ally.

[00:47:21] So that was all good. And then I think when you come to this vote, it's like,

[00:47:24] it's like almost like two sides of the same coin with her and Hunter, where Hunter was like

[00:47:27] working in these numbers and I'm good. They're coming from me, but I think I'm good.

[00:47:31] And she was the opposite thinking like, oh, it's an easy quiet vote. And this is

[00:47:35] comes to my sort of like meta rule of like, you're playing against professionals.

[00:47:39] You are not playing a casual home game, like five car draw. This is like,

[00:47:45] this is Texas hold them at the World Series. Like they're bluffing. And so if you think it's easy

[00:47:51] and, and you actually just said a week ago, this puts a huge target on my back,

[00:47:57] you have to be thinking that pros are going to are going to go for you. So either you think

[00:48:02] that your alliances are so good that a blunt, you'll be notified of a blind side,

[00:48:07] which is only going to be Kenzie. That's the only person or you should be thinking

[00:48:12] a blind side would kind of feel like an easy day. Yeah. And Jeff even brought it up in tribal

[00:48:18] council. He was like, yeah, right? It's eerily quiet. Isn't that now he exaggerated a little bit.

[00:48:25] He was like the last two people there have been devastating blind sides. No, Hunter was not

[00:48:29] a blind side. Hunter was a miscalculation. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. But, but you know,

[00:48:34] he was talking about this and she's just like, yeah, and everyone and when he spoke

[00:48:40] about that, everybody was like this. They were they were still they weren't like, oh,

[00:48:46] it was like Jeff, don't blow our spot. You know, like, honestly, it was like you look at them

[00:48:51] and they look like a bunch of pupils in the fourth grade standing at attention. Like,

[00:48:55] honestly, I thought she's going to pick this up, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really,

[00:49:02] it's really incredible. And I, you know, and it's interesting, I wanted to,

[00:49:06] you read, you referenced when she actually found the beware advantage and went through

[00:49:10] the whole process. And this is something that I never even thought of until I was reading through

[00:49:15] her, her exit press, which is a rather fascinating component. Why tell anyone that

[00:49:23] you found the advantage? And this is something that we've said, don't tell anyone you have

[00:49:27] an idol, don't tell anyone you have an idol. But she made a really good point about it being

[00:49:32] a beware advantage because you lose your vote until you find the idol. And so that was what kind

[00:49:39] of forced her hand to have to tell people. And I thought that that was a really interesting

[00:49:44] shift. Like I had never really thought about that like, oh, because then if you don't

[00:49:48] tell your closest allies that you've lost your vote and then they find out after the fact,

[00:49:53] then they're going to be frustrated with you. So it really does put you in a

[00:49:56] difficult spot because either you have to say, hey, listen, I have an idol or I have a

[00:50:01] beware advantage trying to find an idol or I didn't tell you I've lost my vote. So I never even looked

[00:50:08] at it from that perspective. And I thought that was very interesting that she had to go through

[00:50:12] that permutation when making the decision about whether to tell someone because she made it very

[00:50:17] clear, shut your damn mouth, like stop telling people that you found something until that happened

[00:50:22] to her. Right. Right. Now I will say I thought Tiffany not playing her idol last tribal council

[00:50:29] was smart because it gave her at least another week. You know, she said she was definitely playing it

[00:50:36] got everyone off her case and then held on to it. But as a player on the circle said this week,

[00:50:43] fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice. You won't fool me twice.

[00:50:51] Yeah. And yes, I know a player on Australian Survivor used a public idol as an implicit threat

[00:50:57] for almost the whole game, but it was not at all the same circumstances, very different types of

[00:51:02] players. And you know, one major difference is that for those aiming at Tiffany this time,

[00:51:11] they would have been I mean, they wouldn't have been happy necessarily, but they would have been

[00:51:14] okay if she suddenly decided to play it and Q went out. It's not like they were losing anything

[00:51:18] by, you know, Q going out or by splitting the vote on Q, you know, like he knows he's a target.

[00:51:28] And he was disposable as far as they were concerned. So I mean, and then they took the specific actions

[00:51:37] to make her feel comfortable about Q going. And you know, beyond what we saw on what you already

[00:51:43] mentioned, she discussed in interviews how she and Charlie were much closer than we saw.

[00:51:48] And he convinced her that they could use the idol the following vote to take out Maria.

[00:51:53] Right. I think that the the five on three vote here is was amazing because when you have five

[00:52:00] and the other side's three, you can do a split, you can do three and two. But who would they

[00:52:04] split it on if they split it on anyone else? Right. Other side is declaring a war that you

[00:52:09] don't want to clear. And so they were willing to say they were going to put them all on Tiffany

[00:52:13] if she plays her idol, it's Q. Oh well. And so I thought really, really savvy of the five

[00:52:19] to not do a vote split in that situation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I do think as we've discussed,

[00:52:29] there were definitely signs that she missed. You know, first she told Rob that in hindsight

[00:52:37] she should have paid more attention to the conversations Maria was having with Q.

[00:52:41] It didn't dawn on her that Q was still there because people weren't worried about him and

[00:52:47] that could continue. Right. And you know, beyond that, I think she should have realized that if the

[00:52:53] plan was for everyone to vote out Q and she was working so closely with Charlie, why did Charlie

[00:53:01] fight so long and hard to win immunity and potentially make himself a bigger future target?

[00:53:08] And I know people have, you know, they discussed this on Know It Alls. And

[00:53:12] I think Stephen said something like, well, you always want to win immunity.

[00:53:15] Well, you don't though. When you just won the previous one, do you really want to win two in a row

[00:53:20] for no necessarily good reason? If your ally, your tight ally is right there next to you,

[00:53:27] she should have occurred to her. Yeah. Yeah. That is a fascinating point.

[00:53:35] Hmm. So. All right. Well, we can move on from rule seven, roll back and go to the top for rule

[00:53:46] number one. The most important rule, which is the scheme of plot. Normally the most important.

[00:53:52] I mean, you know, presuming you play your idol. Tiffany was in a great position from the start

[00:53:58] of the game. She was aligned closely with both Kenzie and Q with each of them believing

[00:54:02] they were her true number one. At the merge, she was part of the six. She had her own strategy

[00:54:08] and alliances. We mentioned Charlie already, which was the Harry Potter alliance. And we saw

[00:54:14] exactly none of that alliance. She also mentioned that she was very close to Hunter until Q

[00:54:21] blew that all up by turning them against each other in what she described as a terrible move

[00:54:27] for him. And she had other plots and plans going on as well. The problem was similar

[00:54:32] to what I said in this rule for Hunter last week. Again, all of it was blown to hell when Q

[00:54:37] started his antics. Hunter told Mike Bloom that Q did a lot of damage to his game and

[00:54:43] I think we can clearly add Tiffany's game as well. Yeah. I do think that that's the interesting

[00:54:49] point about having someone who's gone rogue, allowing them to stay in the game because

[00:54:53] there is this concept of, well, he's not going to win. So we'll just leave him alone.

[00:54:58] Like he's a nuisance, but he can stay. But he's gone rogue. And that's the scariest part of anyone

[00:55:05] who is playing against him because he still is a vote. He's still a number. And if he has no

[00:55:12] allegiance to anyone, he's a free agent, right? And so I really feel like he is going to be

[00:55:19] detrimental to so many more people's games moving forward. So I do think that

[00:55:26] for Tiffany, she started out great. Everything was exactly where it needed to be. And she was

[00:55:31] handling people like Q at the beginning very well because she kind of had to because they were on

[00:55:37] the same tribe and then when they got to the merge things shifted clearly. But overall,

[00:55:42] the way that she was interacting with everyone was very good because she was forming those

[00:55:47] alliances and she had a great way about presenting these things to people where it's

[00:55:53] kind of a matter of fact and it was done. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of discussion.

[00:55:57] It was just kind of like, what are you doing? This is it. We don't need to keep talking about

[00:56:01] this. And I really appreciate that about her. But unfortunately she was also playing with

[00:56:07] someone who went rogue. Yeah, I mean, I think that she was put on a tribe that wasn't great.

[00:56:17] And she got a bad draw there. But she did the most important thing you can do in the

[00:56:20] pre-merge game, which is to emerge from that disaster with a block that you actually agree

[00:56:26] with. And this is the opposite of Nami never going to travel so you don't know who's real and who's

[00:56:30] not. They boy, did they know that they could work together. And so she emerged, which was great.

[00:56:35] And I think that that was good. I think that she actually had maybe two number ones,

[00:56:40] which is what D said, you're my other number one, you're my number one. And at the time,

[00:56:43] I was like, oh, what a gaff D. But actually, you know what? You can have two three

[00:56:48] number ones. All that matters in this era is you have a final four, because at that point,

[00:56:53] when the challenge go to fire, that's it, you can't, it doesn't matter if you're at the bottom of the

[00:56:56] four, because all it matters is who wins the immunity. And that's it. And so I think it was

[00:57:01] really smart of her. It's like my kids, you know, I mean, they're both my number ones,

[00:57:05] both, you know, they'll both say, Oh, I'm your favorite now, I'm your favorite now,

[00:57:08] no, you're both my number ones. So yeah, same with my kids. I have a favorite daughter and

[00:57:13] a favorite son. Oh, I have a favorite older sister and a favorite younger sister. That's

[00:57:18] what I've got here. There's always a way to differentiate. Exactly. But I think that again,

[00:57:24] the corollary to everything is like, remember that everyone else is playing the game. And so

[00:57:28] she herself Tiffany herself said something so brilliant, which is I'd rather keep a nuisance

[00:57:32] than a threat. And Q was in her alliance and he's a nuisance. Yeah. And so like, I know

[00:57:38] it's painful and will come to the other rules like that this applies to. But basically,

[00:57:42] Tiff said, I don't think keeping Q is a better move for anybody. She said that at some point.

[00:57:46] It's like, keep him for that reason, like he's your number. And so I think that again,

[00:57:51] like kind of going against but he's gone rogue. This is the problem. He didn't just go rogue.

[00:57:55] He blew up. I mean, you know, there's no controlling him at this point.

[00:58:00] And well, but this is where I think it's like, there's a shift because I think in

[00:58:04] so many seasons we have seen those players that are a little, yeah, you're like, well,

[00:58:11] they're not threatening to anyone, but they're working with me and they'll vote where I tell

[00:58:14] them to vote. So that's fine. So they can stick around and they sneak their way into the final

[00:58:18] three and everybody says, well, they didn't do anything because they were just following along.

[00:58:23] There's always those players. But Q is just a different animal at this point because

[00:58:28] he really you don't know what he's going to do next, what he's going to say,

[00:58:31] who he's going to throw under the bus, who he's I mean it's and because he's gone rogue,

[00:58:36] he's no longer a nuisance. Now he's I think he's a huge threat to everybody's game because he will

[00:58:42] just do whatever and who cares about the consequences because in Q's world, I'm not even supposed to

[00:58:47] be on this island anymore. So I'm going to just have fun and make everyone's health like

[00:58:52] just their lives, living hell. Well, except it goes back to what I said before we got to the

[00:58:57] rules, you know, he went into his lying low strategy where he's literally not doing anything.

[00:59:03] And so, you know, he doesn't look like a threat. Oh, of course. And then it worked because Maria's

[00:59:09] like, you know, Q, yeah, that we you can you can flip this around and he's like, okay.

[00:59:16] It's just, I don't know, it's a scary, it's a scary place for all of these survivors at this

[00:59:21] point. Well, the discussion of Q takes us nicely into the second rule, which says not to scheme

[00:59:27] a plot too much and to keep your scheming secret because of course, of what Q did in blowing up

[00:59:33] Tiffany's game. And I do have to mention one reason he did that was that he realized she had other

[00:59:40] plots and plans going on besides the ones he wanted, which you know, was the main reason

[00:59:47] he got upset because as we heard many times from him, she wasn't following along with the Q game,

[00:59:54] you got to follow the Q game. And, you know, she seemed to try to hide this from Q,

[01:00:02] but it's hard when other people didn't know them didn't know him the way she did. So when she told

[01:00:09] Tevin about, you know, her ideas, he immediately ran back to Q about it. Boom, there her cover is

[01:00:17] blown. When you're trying to make side deals, you know, this is where don't scheme a plot

[01:00:22] too much comes in. You have to know how the people you're talking to will react. She thought

[01:00:29] she could trust Tevin on this and instead he was more loyal to Q.

[01:00:34] Yeah, do you want to end up in Jeremy?

[01:00:39] I mean, yeah, with respect to this rule, again, I feel like people are going to,

[01:00:44] you say as a part of this rule, I believe you say like, don't backstab until you have to,

[01:00:48] right? Right. Right. And I just sort of feel like, again, like the my rule is like,

[01:00:52] remember that everyone knows the rules and why would they backstab her because she has an idol,

[01:00:57] right? Because she knows that she's a threat. Who in the world does she think is a threat right now?

[01:01:02] She's voting Q not because he's a threat, but because as Jessica says, he's just too chaotic.

[01:01:06] And so I think that where she failed here at this stage was not realizing that this was the

[01:01:13] perfect time for somebody to backstab her because she had that idol that she said,

[01:01:16] I need to play to get the target off my back. Right. Right. And isn't like multiple people

[01:01:21] say that at the beginning of the episode where it was like, now's a perfect time to pull off a blind

[01:01:25] side because everyone is just kind of resigned themselves to we're going to vote out Q. And

[01:01:30] this goes right with what you're saying, Jeremy, where they're all playing at a

[01:01:35] higher level. And so you've got at least two people saying the same exact thing about

[01:01:39] now's a really good time to pull this off. You know? And so yes, I mean, she definitely

[01:01:45] got a little too comfortable and thinking that she was in a good place and just assuming that

[01:01:50] everyone was on that same level with her. But at that point she really is the biggest threat

[01:01:55] because she's the one with the idol and everyone knows that she's got the idol. Yeah. Yeah. We'll

[01:02:01] obviously get to that more in the six. I also want to say, sorry. Yeah. Another thing about

[01:02:07] the head a little trust me, I like every every rule and like, I can say everything right now.

[01:02:11] I'm trying to like, you know, not showing such restraint. You love this. It's very hard.

[01:02:19] But detecting blindsides is this thing I'm thinking about also, like, because it's part

[01:02:23] of the idea of like knowing that everyone knows the rules. And maybe think of this like, you know,

[01:02:28] oh, it's an easy tribal. The absence of chatter is like so scary out there. I would think as

[01:02:34] someone who's played zero days. But I would think the absence of chatter is like super important

[01:02:39] because I actually remember this is how they found the summit bin Laden. They found bin

[01:02:43] Laden because there was like this courier who like was who seemed to be everyone knew all this

[01:02:49] about this person. But then like, they would never see him. And then and they were like,

[01:02:53] wait, who is this person? It was like it was like the absence of information where information

[01:02:57] should be made them be like, oh, here's that here it is. And so I feel like the absence of

[01:03:02] chatter should be for any future players of which disappearance on this show will and any

[01:03:07] chance I ever have should be like really aware of the absence of chatter at this point in the game.

[01:03:14] I love that you self deprecating. Yeah, I really feel like there will or at least there should

[01:03:23] never be a quote easy vote on survivor again. Because even if there is an easy vote,

[01:03:31] someone is going to look at it and go, oh my God, this is the easy vote. They must be coming

[01:03:36] after me and then turn everything upside down because of that. And then perhaps turn an easy

[01:03:43] vote into a vote against them because they go crazy thinking that it's not an easy vote.

[01:03:48] So there literally should never be another easy vote on survivor. This is why we disagree on the

[01:03:54] bono vote, by the way, I still think that what they should have made them vote. I know you

[01:03:57] don't agree, David, but I still think they should have made them vote. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:04:00] Yeah. I don't disagree. Well, it's funny because Jeff even said he thought during the queue when Q

[01:04:07] said I want to quit, he thought there wasn't going to be a vote. And then when one of the,

[01:04:13] we talked about last week that one of the signs hunters should have picked up on, he said was

[01:04:20] when he was like, oh, well, if everybody's voting Q, we don't need to vote, right? Venus

[01:04:23] was like, oh no, we still need to vote. Right. Well, and I do think that Jeff

[01:04:31] needs to be a little more careful in that regard, right? Because like he has always been so great

[01:04:37] about not blowing up people's games, not blowing up the plan. Sometimes he doesn't even really

[01:04:42] know what the plan is because they keep him out of the loop a little bit so he doesn't

[01:04:45] know everything. But it's always very impressive that he's able to do that.

[01:04:49] But a moment like that could potentially, if someone is paying attention, make them go, well,

[01:04:55] wait, if we're all voting for him, it doesn't, why are we voting? Right. And could spur someone on

[01:05:03] to play an idol. So I do think that that's interesting that he didn't pick up on that

[01:05:08] one comment. Well, and I mean, it happened in Australian Survivor 2 this most recent season

[01:05:13] where there was one episode where a guy had just, you know, he had had enough, he was

[01:05:18] mentally broken, basically. And, you know, he couldn't do it anymore. And so they were like,

[01:05:24] okay, you know, we'll have tribe, they had tribal council and they didn't bother to vote. And he

[01:05:29] left. But then there was an advantage that said, you have to get if you get the vote of every

[01:05:35] other person in the game, your vote is the only one that matters, which is basically the

[01:05:41] same as an idol at that point. But so he pretended he was going to quit and I mean, he did a really

[01:05:48] good acting job. And you know, but then someone had to come up with a reason like why are we voting?

[01:05:56] And it was never really explicitly said. But it seemed to be like they were encouraging people

[01:06:04] to say nice things about him while voting. So they went up to the voting booth, it was like,

[01:06:09] he's a really great guy, you know, and stuff like that. That seemed to be the excuse for why,

[01:06:14] in this case, they were voting out the person who wanted to leave as opposed to the previous time.

[01:06:20] But, you know, it should raise a flag is like, what's going on here?

[01:06:25] Jessica, can I ask a question about like the experience of playing like you mentioned

[01:06:29] that Jeff does a good job of like not tipping the hand, although I felt in this tribal,

[01:06:32] he was, as you said kind of walking that line. Yeah, do you ever like when you

[01:06:37] when they're in confessionals, I know the production who's asking you questions would

[01:06:40] never like reveal anything. But do you ever think like the kinds of questions they ask might be a

[01:06:44] tip off? And also how long people are on their walks for when they go, oh, like, oh, it's an easy

[01:06:50] day. Why are they confessional for 25 hours? You know, no, I will, I will say this for anyone

[01:06:57] who would like, and I might get myself in trouble, but a little inside skinny. If you're the last

[01:07:02] one that they bring before you say it, this could prevent you from going back to survivor

[01:07:06] 50. So you're not going to invite me back anyway after the shit I've said on this podcast. Are you

[01:07:10] kidding me? They're gonna be like, that girl. No, she's now she's not welcome back. But yes,

[01:07:16] pay attention to whoever is the last person they bring on a confessional because I did not make

[01:07:23] note of that. And this the episode that I was in a lot of trouble. They brought me on three

[01:07:29] confessionals, because they were like, bitch, you have no idea what's going on. And we're

[01:07:34] going to keep talking to you until something clicks in that brain of yours that you might not be where

[01:07:41] you think you are with these people that you're aligned with. So yes, I do think that they they

[01:07:47] have their ways about doing things. And if you are a new player and you don't know anything about

[01:07:53] it, then you don't necessarily pick up on those cues. But now having played, oh yeah, all over

[01:07:59] that. And I guarantee every returning player is doing the same thing. Every returning player comes in

[01:08:04] with that knowledge. And just having that knowledge is such a relief because the amount of times that

[01:08:10] you would be brought out to do something, you're like, what are we doing? I have no idea. Like

[01:08:14] stupid example. But when I had the the legacy that I had found and I shoved it like up my

[01:08:21] the back of my clothes, we all had mic packs on right. And so we had to be demyced.

[01:08:28] And we were with our entire tribe when we're being demyced. And I'm panicking because this is the first

[01:08:33] time I've ever had this experience, right? And I don't know what's going on. And so like they pull

[01:08:37] me over to the side. But my tribe is like right there. And I like whisper to the woman like

[01:08:43] I have something in my back. And she's like, we know, we know, we got you. And I'm like,

[01:08:48] okay, you know, but it's like, they at least so they are aware and they don't want to

[01:08:52] blow up your game in front of anyone. But because you don't know how any of this

[01:08:56] is actually playing out, I had no idea what was going to happen. So there are things that you need

[01:09:01] to pay attention to. And there are little hints and cues but yeah, but also there's a lot of

[01:09:10] good point. It's just something to yeah, it's something to pay attention to.

[01:09:17] Yeah, if I ever went on why Jeremy lost will be because I like to talk and I was in confessional

[01:09:22] for so long ranting and raving about these lunatics that I'm living with that they schemed

[01:09:27] implied of my way right out of the game. So when I came back, three plans had gone by and I didn't

[01:09:31] know anything. Well, and we've had players actually say that where they're like they missed out on the

[01:09:36] last, you know, discussion amongst the group because they were on a confessional. So yeah,

[01:09:41] and you really you do need to pay attention to those things for sure.

[01:09:45] All right, we can move on to the third rule which tells players to be flexible.

[01:09:49] Jeremy, how do you think Tiffany did here? All right. So I actually think that going back to the

[01:09:54] beginning of the game, I flagged something that I thought was really positive here, which was that

[01:09:58] she and Q butted heads on the first vote Jolinsky and Jess. And I was like, Oh boy, how's this going

[01:10:04] to go? And actually, she was she was flexible. She went with what Q wanted. And I thought that

[01:10:08] showed like good sort of like personnel management like, you know, like building a team. So I

[01:10:13] thought that was really good. I think as the game went on, she became a little she started to have

[01:10:19] Q blinders on at some point. And I think that flexibility at the end hurt her very much. And

[01:10:24] she said I feel very David Bloombergy right now. She said, I am not read, should I do my voice? I

[01:10:32] am not, I am not rerouting my game because you go on an apology tour. Now I get that that

[01:10:39] could be seen in like a positive light for the next role, the emotions part. But like at this phase,

[01:10:45] I'm thinking about this and I'm like, what is her path? Could keeping Q have any upside? Now

[01:10:52] there's the chaos to consider. So I don't know if she has any other option. But I do think that

[01:10:56] she should have thought to herself kind of the way Liz did. You know what this I can't stand

[01:11:02] this person, but I need to think about where my game is headed. And I think that she showed

[01:11:06] a little bit I'm not sure she necessarily should have changed what she was going to do. But I think

[01:11:10] she showed a little bit inflexibility at this stage of the game. Because I think, yeah, what's

[01:11:16] her shot other than Q? I mean, I think Liz or Venus is what she said. She said Liz or Venus.

[01:11:22] But then if that happens, what's the survivor cohort like who's left? And it's who is that

[01:11:27] for her? It's Siga and Yanu and one Nami. And I don't know who she's going to work with

[01:11:35] at that point. So as much as he was chaos for her, I kind of think that if she wasn't going to play

[01:11:39] the idol, that was her only ticket to the next round. Yeah. Yeah, I think too, that she also

[01:11:47] really showed her hand by announcing to Jeff and company like, well, Q and I really have some

[01:11:53] things that we have to hash out and really talk through because we haven't talked to each other

[01:11:55] in the past day or so. So I think that that also added to everyone's kind of understanding

[01:12:02] that well, this is where she's at. You know exactly where her head is at and she's definitely

[01:12:06] not interested in Q at this point. So that certainly was something that could have affected

[01:12:11] their decision as well. Like she is all in on Q and that's her decision has been made.

[01:12:17] And so yeah, she did lose that flexibility there for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say given

[01:12:22] what we found out about Tiffany working with a variety of different people,

[01:12:26] I think she tried to be flexible. The argument could even be made that she was

[01:12:31] attempting to be a little too flexible when she rolled the dice and held on to her idol again.

[01:12:36] Even when she was talking in interviews about her planned path to the end,

[01:12:41] she showed flexibility in terms of who she wanted to be at the end with as long as it didn't

[01:12:45] include Maria or Charlie. You know, and so a lot of people will get locked in and be like,

[01:12:51] I have to be against this person and this person. And she was like, no, I can beat any of these

[01:12:55] people except for Maria or Charlie. So however, I get there. Of course, first she had to get past

[01:13:00] this vote. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions

[01:13:07] control them. Jessica, we discussed in our preview podcast that Tiffany said she is an

[01:13:13] emotional person but knew she couldn't make the mistake of getting caught up in them in the

[01:13:17] game. Did she succeed in avoiding that? No, she did not. And I say that because of the cue stuff,

[01:13:26] but at the same time, I can't necessarily blame her. She managed for so long to keep it in check

[01:13:32] with him and to pander to him when she needed to and to handle him with kid gloves. And she

[01:13:39] really did a great job of doing that once you really needed to at the beginning because

[01:13:45] they were in such a bad way. They were constantly going back to tribal council. And so she understood

[01:13:49] the necessity of I can't let my emotions get in the way here. She and Kenzie both knew that they

[01:13:55] would talk to each other about cue, but realized that they still needed him. But then all hell broke

[01:14:01] loose once they got to the merge really. And so I can't really fault her for then saying, God,

[01:14:06] I like, I just can't keep doing what I've been doing with cue. And so it did become a little

[01:14:11] more emotional. But I mean, he was like I said, he's gone rogue. And so I do think it put her in a

[01:14:17] very difficult spot. But had she reacted differently, would her path have been different? I don't know

[01:14:23] because he was targeting her as well, because of the whole six thing. And so it, I think she

[01:14:29] just ended up in a really tough spot with cue, because as you said, she wasn't willing to

[01:14:34] play cues games, you want to play your own game. So do I think her emotions got the

[01:14:38] better of her? Probably not because she was able to keep it in check. But then cue put her in such a

[01:14:43] bad position that I can understand why she got frustrated with him and vocalized her frustration.

[01:14:49] But I don't think she should have vocalized her frustration in the way that she did, because

[01:14:53] it really did make it very apparent to everyone that but again, everyone was talking about

[01:14:59] cue in that way. So it's like, it's, it's a tough call. It's a really tough call for sure.

[01:15:05] Yeah. Yeah, Jessica, I think that's something you said made me just think about like with the hand

[01:15:11] you're dealt and it kind of no one wants to play from the bottom but like think of like an Owen who

[01:15:16] played from the bottom when he didn't think he was going to and then he did and you know,

[01:15:19] didn't work out but I think he did with the best he could with that. And I kind of think that's

[01:15:23] what Tiffany kind of dealt with, you know, she was dealt a tough hand with this particular

[01:15:26] group and she kept she kept it together as much as she could. I mean, she did say like,

[01:15:32] you know, I'm tired of the drama. That's another quote, right? I'm tired of the drama. But again,

[01:15:35] like what was her option? I'm not really sure. Again, maybe the sanctuary she's like, I'm not

[01:15:41] going to just like, you know, forget all I'm mad. It's again tough spot because keep the chaos

[01:15:49] around keep the chaos around or be at risk. I don't know. It's very, I mean, the tribe

[01:15:54] that she had was horrible. I mean, we use someone on their hands and knees like begging

[01:16:01] you to keep you in the game. And I mean, at that point, like, I don't know how she wasn't

[01:16:08] just like losing it because like really like this is happening. This is my life right now.

[01:16:12] Like I'm playing this survivor game with this person. So yeah, I do think that she really

[01:16:18] was in a very, very difficult spot. So the fact that she was able to keep it in check

[01:16:24] as well as she did kudos to her for that because yeah, I mean, this was this is quite the

[01:16:30] group that she was having to deal with. Yeah, and that's why I think she was usually successful here.

[01:16:37] You know, a good example was the previous tribal council. She showed she could separate her emotions

[01:16:41] from the game when she was super mad at Q yelling at him and everything else in tribal

[01:16:46] council. That's a very good point. Still voted out Hunter. You know, she told Rob, she's really

[01:16:51] good at compartmentalization. She knew going into that tribal council, she was writing down

[01:16:55] Hunter's name no matter what. So even her big blow up argument with Q didn't change that.

[01:17:01] Now, the funny thing is it turned out the blow up helped because it convinced Hunter that she

[01:17:06] would vote against Q as he didn't realize how well she could keep things separate.

[01:17:12] I debated you know, the point that you raised like was this emotional her going after Q now?

[01:17:19] I had it in my notes. I took it out of my notes. I think it was not as emotional. I think it was

[01:17:26] strategic that she just could not work with the man. And you know, that that was more of it.

[01:17:34] And and I say that in part because she was able to put it aside the previous vote.

[01:17:39] And I know this is this is Tiffany's episode. But like, there is a comparison here,

[01:17:44] which is that Liz did put her feelings aside and vote for Q and vote for Tiffany.

[01:17:51] For Tiffany. Yes.

[01:17:54] So you know, you could sort of say like it's as strategic as an emotional, I'm not sure. But

[01:17:58] there isn't at least one example of someone in this vote actually like walking the walk. And

[01:18:03] that was Liz. I thought that was pretty amazing. Yes. That they and how much Maria and Charlie

[01:18:09] would love to see Q go. But they're like, Nope, this is not the this is not the move right now.

[01:18:14] Right. Yeah. All right. Well, the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice

[01:18:19] and play the social game other than dealing with Q. Jeremy, how do you think she did in this area?

[01:18:26] I think Tiffany did very well for a lot of the game. I mean, first of all, I think you have

[01:18:30] to be nice to other tribe members or pretend. And just going back to that moment with Bono,

[01:18:35] for example, when he literally got on his knees and begged her. And I thought that she had a very

[01:18:39] human moment there where she's like Bono. No, come on. Stand up like we're human being.

[01:18:44] Like I just thought that that was very she handled that in a very kind way.

[01:18:48] And I think that speaks to who she is as a person. I don't think she's like a cut through,

[01:18:51] you know, bad person. I think she actually really does genuinely connect to people.

[01:18:55] And which is why she's well liked. I don't think that there's anyone out there saying

[01:18:58] they don't like her. And I think to get far in this game have to probably be nicer

[01:19:04] than pretend to be nice, which is why I probably would not be great at it.

[01:19:08] And so I think she probably based on just our triangulation of how people talk about her

[01:19:14] and what we did see like that Bono moment that she actually did this rule pretty well.

[01:19:18] I mean, I think that ultimately though, when it comes to this vote, the bottom drops out

[01:19:23] because she really she couldn't pretend to be nice with Q. She couldn't go to the sanctuary

[01:19:27] and make him believe the way Maria is making you believe and maybe even Maria is making

[01:19:33] herself believe that she likes Q because it helps her game. So I think that when it really came to

[01:19:41] the time of this vote, she didn't utilize this rule quite properly. And also it might be like

[01:19:50] the edit, but it also seemed to me like after the sanctuary that Liz was actually less annoyed

[01:19:58] with Q and more annoyed with Tiffany talking about I'm a lactose intolerant. And she was actually

[01:20:04] kind of harping on that. And you guys always talk about how like, oh, people vote for who they want

[01:20:09] to and then they justify it. And I think like she wanted to like, I think she was thinking

[01:20:13] about this, can I go for Tiffany? And so she instead of being mad at Q, she was mad at

[01:20:19] Tiffany. And I think this is sort of like a reading the room thing. I don't know if it's

[01:20:23] being nice or not. So maybe I'm not in the right rule here, but I just noticed that.

[01:20:27] No, I think that I think reading the room is part of pretending to be, you know, being nice.

[01:20:31] Like, yeah, you know, Liz is sitting right there. She talked about really wanting that burger and

[01:20:37] you're talking within earshot of her about how we couldn't even eat the burger. It's like,

[01:20:43] yeah. You know, Charlie was dating her. He's like, talk about what you ate.

[01:20:51] Tell me what you ate. And then because he's like, because she's going to talk about it.

[01:20:54] And then these people are going to go ape. Yes. And I, you know, I was actually thinking to myself

[01:20:59] and I almost sent this out as a tweet. If you do play and Jeremy, when you go out there and when

[01:21:05] you play, if you happen to win a food reward, don't come back and talk about it. Just don't,

[01:21:10] just don't because there's a whole group of people that didn't get to eat and they

[01:21:13] don't want to hear about what you ate. If someone really wants to hear, take them

[01:21:17] aside and be like, I'll come, I'll talk to you over here. But otherwise, no,

[01:21:21] nobody wants to hear it. Really. Especially since Jeff told them exactly what was going to be there.

[01:21:27] So all they're doing is reiterating what Jeff already said. You could come back and say,

[01:21:31] I mean, we had what Jeff said, you know, it was good. Right. Yeah, we ate. We're done. Yeah.

[01:21:36] Moving on. So I do really, I think Tiffany was certainly someone who was

[01:21:43] not pretending to be nice. I think she really just as a genuinely nice person

[01:21:47] and the way that she interacted with everyone, inclusive of those on her original tribe and

[01:21:53] the merge. But again, yeah, Q was just, you can only take so much, I think. And I think

[01:21:59] she was really like had maxed out at that point. But really, I love the way that she

[01:22:05] handled the conversation she had. I know I've already mentioned it, but she was

[01:22:09] blunt, but in a nice way, you know? And she was just like, she was,

[01:22:13] she would communicate how she felt and what she thought was the best thing to do. But she didn't,

[01:22:18] it wasn't like this is what we're doing. Like he would do to her and Kenzie. It was more of a

[01:22:25] like discussion but also still getting her point across. So I think she presented herself very

[01:22:30] well and was definitely someone who was so likable and her permutations of who she

[01:22:37] could go to the end with. I was in full agreement. I'm like, yeah, I don't disagree

[01:22:41] with what she's saying. All right, well the sixth reward is against being too much of a threat.

[01:22:46] And this is obviously another key issue when it comes to Tiffany. She even said in interviews,

[01:22:53] she didn't realize how much everyone wanted her out until she watched the show.

[01:22:57] She told Mike Bloom, maybe my threat level was a lot bigger out there than I thought it was.

[01:23:02] I would say there's no maybe about it. But Tiffany also told Mike, I just don't

[01:23:08] understand why what everybody's obsession was with just like stabbing me in the back.

[01:23:14] It was like a badge of honor, like who's going to get Tiffany first? The whole time I'm trying to be

[01:23:20] like a good ally and work with you all, but it was crazy. Now we already discussed the whole

[01:23:25] issue of people trying to vote out their allies. But more specifically for her,

[01:23:30] as a number of players said, the biggest issue was of course her idol.

[01:23:35] But Kenzie also said in this episode before she changed her mind that there was more to it than

[01:23:40] that. Tiffany didn't seem to know why Maria was so dead set on targeting her, but she also mentioned

[01:23:47] in other interviews like with Dalton Ross how Q had told Maria that Tiffany was gunning for her.

[01:23:53] And of course we now know she was plotting with Charlie to take out Maria at the next vote.

[01:23:58] As Maria told Charlie, Tiffany says she wants to work with me, but then lies to me.

[01:24:03] I need her gone with her idol. She's the biggest threat.

[01:24:09] I agree. I have stuff to say, but I never played survivor. I'm waiting for Jessica to talk.

[01:24:18] You go right ahead Jeremy. I'm enjoying you immensely. Go right ahead.

[01:24:24] So again, Tiffany, I'm just like going to say what Tiffany said, which is that the idol makes

[01:24:32] her a huge threat. She knew that she utilized and somehow in the hunter vote, she like managed to

[01:24:39] not play it, which was either brilliant or not. I think it was brilliant, but it was very, very savvy

[01:24:44] play. But whatever. But she knew that this made her a huge threat. Ben, who by the way is getting

[01:24:51] a bit of a purple edit, like the idol is more dangerous than Q at this point. That's what

[01:24:57] he said. And Maria said that the idol being around was a big reason why Tiffany was a threat.

[01:25:03] Think about what these players have to lose right now. If Q is an easy vote, they're going to put

[01:25:07] it on the line to go for Tiffany. That must tell you how much they think this idol means.

[01:25:12] I just think that the first person who knew that was Tiffany herself because she's talking

[01:25:18] about the threat that I put on her. So I just thought that was pretty amazing. It was a huge,

[01:25:23] I thought it was a masterful move by Siga led by Maria to make this play

[01:25:29] and to make her feel so comfortable. I'm in awe of Siga right now.

[01:25:35] Yeah. Well, and this is why I don't like the new rules with the idols because of what I mentioned

[01:25:42] earlier where it's because of the beware advantage. You don't just find an idol and have an idol

[01:25:47] anymore. It comes with all of these little, you have to go find a box and a key and you have to

[01:25:53] solve this puzzle and do all of these crazy things. And she even talked about how she basically needed

[01:25:59] Q to distract people so she could run around and try to find what she needed to find

[01:26:06] so she could get the idol. And so it does really require other people's involvement.

[01:26:13] Okay. You say that but both Gem and Hunter got theirs without anybody else's involvement

[01:26:17] and kept them secret. Right. And that is, and that's very, very important.

[01:26:20] You should have brought that up back in rule seven but it didn't occur to me till you just

[01:26:23] mentioned it. Well, I'm glad that you brought it up because I am curious did she put herself

[01:26:29] in this own predicament because she walked into this game saying don't tell anyone. Like, I actually,

[01:26:34] this isn't appropriate but like when I made my, I wanted to find this and it's gonna,

[01:26:40] you might have to, I don't know, blur something out but like when I actually created my,

[01:26:46] but like this is what, I mean, like that's what she said. This is what she said was like,

[01:26:52] you know, the, when it comes to idols, I'm not gonna say, you know, if you're watching

[01:26:56] but it's the shut the f up. Like that's what she was like why aren't people,

[01:27:00] why do people tell everyone when they find something? And so you are completely right,

[01:27:05] Jeremy. Like she knew how like problematic having an idol could be if everyone knows about it,

[01:27:13] if no one knows about it you're, you're golden, you're good but then she was in a situation where

[01:27:17] she had to tell people because she needed their help in order to find it and so she's put in

[01:27:23] this strange predicament where like well now I have to tell people and if I don't tell them

[01:27:28] and I lose my vote so it's all of these weird factors that are coming into play instead of

[01:27:33] just having an idol and deciding whether or not you should play it because if nobody knew that

[01:27:38] she had an idol, are they targeting her? Probably not. Well, it's like Shakespearean right? Like

[01:27:45] you said okay she says don't tell anyone about your idols like smart then she actually realizes

[01:27:51] wait because of the beware thing because of what you're saying I have no choice I have to tell

[01:27:54] them really smart insight and then she realizes oh my gosh this puts a huge thought on my back

[01:27:59] I have to get rid of it and then she doesn't I mean that is like the ultimate Shakespearean fall.

[01:28:04] Yes, it really is it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Then she ends up marrying her mother oh wait no

[01:28:08] that's a different story. No but it's like a great tragedy level. Yeah exactly. It really it truly

[01:28:14] is and that's why I think it's fascinating that that was my big takeaway from her at the

[01:28:20] start of the game. I was so happy to hear someone say why are they telling everyone

[01:28:25] stop it shut the f up don't do it and I was like oh I love her this is so great

[01:28:31] and then she's in this predicament where she has to tell them and then she becomes the biggest

[01:28:35] targeted threat because she has an idol and everybody knows. Yeah thank you Q for sharing with

[01:28:40] everyone. Now you asked a couple minutes ago Jessica you know would she still have been

[01:28:45] a target? It's hard to say I mean obviously the idol drew attention through as you said

[01:28:52] Jeremy the eye of Sauron and so would she have still been a threat without it? I think so but

[01:29:00] I don't know because like on Jeff's On Fire podcast a question was asked a listener question was

[01:29:07] asked about different types of threats and D gave a good answer about how it changes through the

[01:29:12] season in terms of physical threats social threats strategic threats to win the game and of

[01:29:17] course direct threats to her such as people who have written down your name and we saw that with D

[01:29:24] D was like you wrote down my name you gotta go and D won from Maria's perspective Tiffany certainly

[01:29:31] fell into that last category she knew Tiffany was coming after her she already heard about it

[01:29:37] from Q and I'm sure that Charlie told her what you know what the plan was

[01:29:44] but she also fell into the threat group of people who could win the game for many of the players

[01:29:51] so I think she filled two of those boxes even without the idol she might have been a target

[01:29:58] even without it but the idol certainly made it big and red. Well wouldn't it be fascinating if

[01:30:05] Charlie was like hmm I'm gonna stir the pot a little bit here and have this whole discussion

[01:30:11] with Tiffany about using the idol to get rid of Maria and then going to Maria and going guess what

[01:30:17] Tiffany's plan is it's to get rid of you next time using her idol to do so. I bet he did I mean

[01:30:23] it takes back to I mentioned this last week you know that I had employees who did this they would

[01:30:28] come to me and be like oh this person says this and or does this and this and this and I think

[01:30:33] you should do this and I would just be you know noncommittally nodding and they would

[01:30:38] assume that the nod meant I agree with them and run back and say David said that you do this and this

[01:30:43] and this you know right it's like oh lord um but so I learned I don't even nod I just stare

[01:30:51] or tell them to get out of my office and leave me alone but uh but yeah in this case

[01:30:58] there were so many different things that made her a threat and on top of that you know comparing

[01:31:04] her to Q that's what it came down to for this vote pretty much we've heard from other players that Q

[01:31:12] just is not a worry right now uh Ben said the idol was more dangerous than Q Maria said Q's an easy

[01:31:19] vote and there were other targets there even Tiffany herself said in interviews that while she

[01:31:26] didn't realize it at the time people just weren't worried about Q compared to her right well and

[01:31:32] I think that that goes back to him being rogue and having directly affected her game someone else has

[01:31:41] not necessarily suffered the ramifications of Q yet and so this is why I feel like that's going to

[01:31:49] shift because right now the feeling may be oh Q's harmless well until he harms your game

[01:31:55] which is what he did to Tiffany right and so Hunter and and right so it's you look at all of the

[01:32:02] bodies that have been left behind because Q has been like hey uh this guy Tim over here was talking about

[01:32:09] one of our so we gotta get rid of Tim and I mean he is really he's really stacking them up so

[01:32:15] I just feel like it it's going to I won't jump ahead too far but with my predictions I feel

[01:32:22] like it might have something to do with Q just saying all right well we can move into appendix A

[01:32:29] which is about the players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and we talk about

[01:32:33] voting out the week than the strong than the week than the strong now we're still at the part of

[01:32:37] the game where players should be targeting strong threats Tiffany herself uh said two episodes ago

[01:32:44] the point of the game when you're just getting out obvious targets is done

[01:32:48] hmm uh at the same time she told Tevin that he shouldn't worry about Venus because she wasn't

[01:32:55] doing anything other than mentioning his name to people who didn't take her seriously and then

[01:33:00] she added who cares let her stick around unfortunately for her she forgot that she said

[01:33:06] that when she thought everyone was just going to vote out Q because uh going back to what I

[01:33:11] was doing earlier if we change Venus to Q in her quotes the same thing could easily

[01:33:15] be said there and then going back to something you said earlier Jeremy uh Tiffany addressed

[01:33:21] in her interview with Dalton Ross she said this is me breaking my own survivor rule people would

[01:33:27] rather deal with a nuisance than the threat in that moment I did not realize that I was the

[01:33:32] threat and Q was the nuisance people wanted to keep the nuisance and get rid of the threat so

[01:33:37] what are you gonna do yeah yeah who did she think the threats were I just don't I don't know

[01:33:43] I don't who did she think the threats were well Maria Maria and Charlie yeah Maria yeah

[01:33:51] yeah no I guess that's it well and she said in one you know she she was working with

[01:33:57] she thought Charlie to get rid of Maria and then she said in her interview she probably

[01:34:00] would have turned down on Charlie the very next vote uh so wouldn't that feel too easy though

[01:34:06] it's like someone I don't know that feels like a trap to me but again yeah going after Charlie in

[01:34:14] the next vote no like oh Maria these these sega are willing to flip on each other at this point

[01:34:20] I mean everybody else was going against their number one why not why not those two okay you know

[01:34:26] well don't you know that's the that's the survivor way to play right apparently yeah

[01:34:32] yeah uh now last week I said if someone like him is going to give you the opportunity to vote him

[01:34:37] out you as a fellow player have to take it I don't care if Q is driving you crazy I don't care if you

[01:34:43] don't like someone else I don't care if you love Hunter if he loses immunity and you know he has

[01:34:48] an idol and might not play it you have to do everything you can to get him to believe he's

[01:34:52] safe even if it seems crazy that he wouldn't play it and once again we could just substitute

[01:34:57] Tiffany's name for Hunter and that statement is valid again this week yeah absolutely so now of

[01:35:04] course not everyone voted against Tiffany while Kenzie originally wanted to do it she backed off

[01:35:09] because she didn't want blowback if Tiffany played her idol and you know knew they all tried to get

[01:35:15] rid of her but Maria decided she wasn't going to wait for Kenzie's green light to make the move

[01:35:20] so as she said she had to run the red light and she further pointed out to Liz that this was

[01:35:25] the opportunity to get rid of Maria no yeah to get yes no to get rid of to get rid of Tiffany

[01:35:33] sorry Maria was saying it too much now Liz saw and said well this is Maria's move and of course we

[01:35:44] know how mad she was at Q we talked about that earlier we know how much she doesn't want to just

[01:35:48] make other people's moves but I still agree with Maria and Charlie's decision to involve her

[01:35:54] instead of Venus because as Charlie said Venus was more likely to try to make something chaotic

[01:36:00] happen with it hmm with that said I love Rob's idea that he discussed in both the post game

[01:36:08] podcast and know it all about how Liz should have pretended to go along with it and then

[01:36:16] publicly told Tiffany play your idol in you know in tribal council in order to save her

[01:36:21] get rid of Q show that she was the one making the move take ownership of that move in front of the jury

[01:36:28] yeah I just think it's a lot to think about on short notice and she's really hungry without any

[01:36:36] calories yes exactly there's a lot of moments after the game we're like damn I should have done that

[01:36:43] but my brain was not firing on all cylinders at that point because you're hungry and sleep deprived

[01:36:50] but yes that would have been that would have been incredible if she had done that and then she would

[01:36:55] have had to have obviously dealt with the ramifications but you've now locked yourself in with Tiffany if

[01:37:00] you do something like that right yeah until Tiffany votes you out is a bigger threat yes right sure

[01:37:07] I mean there's this whole thing a ripple effect yeah is the jury like at this point if the jury

[01:37:15] right now is is soda tevin hunter and now Tiffany right if it was if it was the who are the votes going

[01:37:22] to right now because you talk about like you know building up a jury who likes you I mean actually

[01:37:26] you think that Liz has a chance with that jury not being this I think and I don't think any of

[01:37:31] the seagulls would get a lot of votes there and I think Kenzie would get some some love from them

[01:37:35] which so in a weird way like in terms of jury management like it's it's strange to think

[01:37:41] in that chest and that in that fourth dimension of chess but I don't know I you talk about this

[01:37:47] appendix and I always it always confuses me but should should they be thinking about about that at the

[01:37:52] stage well they should as we get to appendix B which is the jury phase right and I do think

[01:37:59] that some of the players are thinking ahead to who they want to be up against when facing the

[01:38:04] jury because you know Tiffany told Mike bloom I think the reality of the situation was that

[01:38:09] nobody was afraid of Q they were just like yeah he's getting on our nerves but we think we can beat

[01:38:14] them so we'll keep him around and as we mentioned in the third rule even Tiffany had a list of a few

[01:38:21] people she wouldn't mind going up against in front of the jury when you're not worried about

[01:38:26] facing Q or Venus or Ben or Kenzie or Liz there aren't a whole lot of people left

[01:38:33] and you know even though Kenzie didn't end up being part of the plan

[01:38:37] she brought up that taking out Tiffany would be a significant item on a player's resume right so

[01:38:43] I think people are looking at it I think they're looking at who they want to face

[01:38:49] I don't know that they're necessarily thinking about how they can get there with those people

[01:38:54] because if you knock out all of the threats and one of you said this earlier and it's just you

[01:39:00] and a bunch of people who you don't view as threats well if they all view you as threats

[01:39:06] they'll all get together and get rid of the island of misfit toys that's what we're going

[01:39:11] well it's also survivor 43 and no no shade on any of the finalists of survivor 43 but when they

[01:39:20] got there the jury was like what the hell you know like all of the people we thought of as threats

[01:39:27] are gone and that's why like we discussed at the time they had to reach for other reasons to vote

[01:39:36] and I think it must be hard these misfits that Jessica's talking about like I think it probably

[01:39:40] is hard for them to get together just like it was hard last season for Jake and Kutura to like

[01:39:45] get it together to like go after these you know these other the other tribe and so when you

[01:39:51] have these sort of like not also rands but the sort of like just like the the shrapnel from these other

[01:39:58] destroyed alliances just line around it's really hard for them to get together because

[01:40:04] the magnet of like Charlie Maria Ben must be like really appealing like oh let's go with them because

[01:40:09] it's like I have to count to one me and yeah right right yeah but I do but I do think there's

[01:40:16] something to be said about those survivors that are able to play from the bottom who are able to

[01:40:23] claw their way through and sometimes juries look at that and go wow you were able to make it this far

[01:40:31] and one of the arguments that people who play from the bottom can say is I didn't have anyone

[01:40:36] like a venus makes it to the final three and I know that that bloomberg you've talked about

[01:40:41] her being a no vote finalist her argument is really going to be I had no one and I and I did this

[01:40:48] I managed to get here without the help which other people could say well we just carried you along so

[01:40:53] it's right it can work against you it can work for you and so I guess it depends on how you

[01:40:59] are playing from that position and if you're someone like a David Wright in my season who was

[01:41:05] totally playing from the bottom from the beginning and then just turned into Kaiser

[01:41:10] so say and you're like what happened and it was a beautiful moment and then he you know is out

[01:41:14] forth so I really truly think that there is some beauty to playing a game like that which is why

[01:41:22] I keep going back to Q being so damn dangerous because boy he's gonna have a lot to say he's

[01:41:27] in the final three a whole lot to say all right well then it is about time to wrap things up

[01:41:38] so Jeremy what are your final thoughts on Tiffany oh I am just I'm so ready to give this little

[01:41:45] speech okay David bloomberg normal okay here we go but again I'm not gonna do like the cadence

[01:41:53] or at least as I'll try not to all right so Tiffany was on y'all a very dysfunctional tribe

[01:41:59] that was bad luck but she found an idol and emerged from that disaster with the most important

[01:42:03] thing you can have in this game a solid voting block unfortunately that block had Q which became

[01:42:08] a problem she saw him as a liability but he was actually a really good smoke screen because he

[01:42:13] was a target and took the heat off but the chaos and his emerging status as a threat

[01:42:19] was hard for her to manage in short Q was a nuisance not a threat which is exactly the

[01:42:23] kind of player that Tiff herself said was good to keep around so she got fed up with Q and

[01:42:28] that in effect got her off the scent to end her game Tiff thought she could turn on her

[01:42:34] lines because she had an idol she correctly realized that having that idol raised her threat level

[01:42:39] she realized that she was going to play it but then she didn't a great move but that raised her

[01:42:43] threat level level even more so when things were eerily quiet she should have realized

[01:42:48] that she was actually seen as a threat again because she knows she's a threat because

[01:42:53] she has an idol so ultimately she detailed she ultimately she failed to detect and prevent a blind

[01:42:58] side because she forgot that other players in the modern era know the rules to why blank lost

[01:43:05] and that is why tiffany lost i like it i love that i am sitting here with two david bloombergs now

[01:43:14] this is lovely this is incredible i love this that was awesome jeremy very good

[01:43:21] i will say as far as tiffany is concerned there were certain things about her that stood out

[01:43:27] immediately and i've already talked about the not telling anyone about an idol and i loved that

[01:43:31] about her immediately but i she described herself as a by any means necessary type of girl and i

[01:43:38] thought that was going to be awesome and i do think that we saw that come through right

[01:43:42] she ends up on this terrible drive that's losing constantly and is able to take from that exactly

[01:43:48] what she needs and what you said jeremy is that she was able to form a core group of people

[01:43:54] including q which i hadn't mentioned this yet but i just noticed that i i believe he was someone

[01:44:00] she wanted to work with pregame she actually referenced the tall athletic looking dark skinned

[01:44:05] man he feels like he's a competitor and if i'm going to war i want him next to me and i'm

[01:44:11] wondering if it was cute because that might explain why she was like okay i'm willing

[01:44:17] to tolerate some of his things because i believe he's going to be my guy so i am curious about that

[01:44:24] and she also referenced how she was cognizant of how she was how she's perceived and so all of these

[01:44:30] i think made her a really incredible survivor player because there there's one thing you need to be

[01:44:36] is you need to know who you are when you go into this game you need to understand how people

[01:44:41] are going to see you you need to understand who you can mesh with and who you can't

[01:44:45] and i really truly think that she found herself in a tough spot and then put herself in the best

[01:44:51] position possible in order to play this game but unfortunately her own rule came back to bite her

[01:44:57] and that was she told people about the idol because in her words she had to she was put

[01:45:03] in a position where she had to tell them and it really did come back to bite her unfortunately

[01:45:08] that guy that she thought she could go to war with actually created the war for her like he

[01:45:14] was now working against her and sending all the troops to come after her and so she really did

[01:45:20] find herself in a tough spot q was a huge part of her demise but i do think that tiffany truly did

[01:45:26] have a great chance at winning this game and i just wish that she had seen that quiet that

[01:45:33] was happening and that it was too calm for this vote and decided you know what she knew enough

[01:45:39] that that idol was a threat and that it needed to be played and for whatever reason she got way too

[01:45:45] comfortable and if it really boils down to charlie making her feel that way well then kudos to charlie

[01:45:51] for maintaining that part of the game and causing her not to use her idol so overall

[01:45:58] tiffany was a joy to watch she was a great survivor player really really loved watching her

[01:46:04] was awesome to read her exopress because i did learn a lot which oftentimes i'm like now they're

[01:46:09] kind of saying the same thing i learned some good things there too so overall those are my thoughts

[01:46:14] on tiffany last week i noted that there were a ton of reasons for hunter to know he needed to play

[01:46:20] his idol this week it wasn't quite so apparent but it was still pretty clear heck tiffany had

[01:46:27] just completely fooled hunter into not playing his idol but didn't see the same thing happening to

[01:46:32] her because she thought it was obvious that everyone would be voting out q she just missed the signs and

[01:46:38] also fell for charlie giving her a fake plan for the next time but of course her came came down to

[01:46:45] more than just not playing the idol she had schemed her way into a good position with multiple allies

[01:46:50] at least until q blew up most of them part of that caused her to be seen as a threat because

[01:46:56] word of her wanting to target maria got back to maria both through q and likely charlie as well

[01:47:02] even her closest ally kenzie wanted her out while her public community idol was a part of the reason

[01:47:09] that didn't explain everything in her interviews tiffany was very confident that she could have

[01:47:13] done well in her in a final three against most of the remaining players if she was that sure of

[01:47:20] herself compared to them it seems likely that the others saw that and realized her threat level

[01:47:26] went beyond just sticking around and extended to staying until the final three so even playing

[01:47:31] her idol this time wouldn't have eliminated all of her threat level of course you never know what

[01:47:37] can happen on survivor so players should do whatever they can to lengthen their time in the game

[01:47:42] maybe tiffany could have made new allies or flipped old ones against the sega three maybe she could

[01:47:47] have found another idol or won the next immunity challenge unfortunately we'll never know what could

[01:47:52] have been like hunter in the previous vote she needed to recognize the situation she was in

[01:47:58] and play her idol even if she didn't quite understand how she got there or why so many people

[01:48:04] considered her a top level threat and that is why jeffany lost uh well there all right well

[01:48:14] how do you do this every week i mean all of you people you did great jeremy come on yeah

[01:48:21] because yeah because i gotta i gotta do it one time like i can't do this next week are you

[01:48:25] kidding me this is fantastic we should just be like jeremy i'm sorry you're in we'll give you

[01:48:33] like a last minute call and like jessica's out come on back he made me tell him at the beginning of

[01:48:40] the season like okay am i on this season or not because i need to start taking notes at the beginning

[01:48:46] it's i will say it's very stressful when i first started i was i was very stressed out

[01:48:51] i would take a lot of notes and now there are no notes i'm i'm so awkwardly like between casual

[01:48:59] and superfan that i just like totally freaked out anyway you guys were so nice to host me

[01:49:05] thank you but we still have our predictions we do we do now before we get to them i do want to

[01:49:11] remind people that again you can go to uh rob his website dot com slash yx lost feed uh scroll

[01:49:18] to the poster click on it order it uh scroll to the poster on a t-shirt scroll to the checklist

[01:49:24] on a t-shirt and jeremy do you have a poster i don't and i only recently joined the r-hat

[01:49:30] patrons so i'm really very bad send me send me your send me your address send me a poster uh

[01:49:38] our thank you for joining us yes thank you that's okay uh now uh jeremy we we mentioned

[01:49:47] that uh you often talk about uh survivor on twitter and you have your uh twitter handle here for the

[01:49:54] video people but why don't you tell us where else people can find you yeah i'm on twitter and the

[01:50:00] algorithm clearly thinks i want survivor only lately which is hilarious because in the during the

[01:50:04] pandemic and before that it was like all medical content in my feet all the time um so i'm at

[01:50:09] jeremy fowlst on twitter um on instagram and threads i'm at jeremy samuel fowlst my full first

[01:50:16] middle and last and i am i have a newsletter which is called inside medicine and i write like three

[01:50:24] or four times a week about what's going on i do like deep dives like what's going on with this new

[01:50:29] flu thing what's going on with coven um it's free um but there is a paid thing on the weekends

[01:50:35] to get like inside the er like i talk about my patients obviously within the confines of the

[01:50:40] hippo laws and all that and how i think about medicine um and uh that's called inside medicine

[01:50:46] it's on substack and there's a there's a there's a there's a special for the listeners here the

[01:50:52] rhap community i think if you go to inside medicine dot substack slash rhap you can get

[01:50:59] a for the next several days you can get a several squared discount 49 off for anyone who

[01:51:06] goes to that it's not that expensive and uh maybe if enough of you do it i'll do a thing about

[01:51:11] survivor once in a while anyway thanks for having me that's so great i love this that's incredible

[01:51:18] yeah i can't believe i left out your substack and all the things i listed at the beginning i left

[01:51:22] that out i'm sorry uh he has quite the resume and yeah i i think uh quite the resume coming in here

[01:51:29] for sure yes yeah oh and where am i i'm at jescalewis 89 on twitter and i'm also at jescalewis 6789

[01:51:37] on instagram although most of my content i just steal from david bloomberg went on my stories

[01:51:43] which is very helpful because this guy over here david bloomberg is everywhere he is all over

[01:51:49] social media lots of posting happening tell me about your link tree page david yes uh you could

[01:51:56] find me at link tree slash david bloomberg with in the url is a dot before the ee and link tree

[01:52:03] or you could find me more directly on twitter and blue sky is at david bloomberg on threads as

[01:52:09] at david bloomberg tv i'm also on the video platforms tiktok youtube and instagram is at

[01:52:15] david bloomberg tv where i've been posting two or three videos per day uh right now i'm posting

[01:52:22] of course clips from survivor plus other shows like the circle deal or no deal island and amazing

[01:52:28] race and apparently now i'm gonna have to start watching the goat which just came on a special

[01:52:34] preview of that so i'll have to see if there's any good content there our friend wendell is on

[01:52:38] that uh plus a bunch of other reality tv people uh so um you know and then as the shows continue

[01:52:47] you know some will phase in some will phase out and but even even when survivor isn't on i i post

[01:52:53] flashbacks to previous seasons and the like so again that's at david bloomberg tv follow me

[01:52:59] on all three of those because you know if that anti tiktok law actually they follow through with

[01:53:05] it and makes it through the courts then well you won't be able to follow me on tiktok anymore so

[01:53:09] no you gotta get all your david bloomberg tiktok content and now yes well on instagram and youtube

[01:53:15] as well so well right but i'm just saying so you know just in case like suck it all in yeah

[01:53:21] how come how come like the gen x and gen y person people here know less than david about

[01:53:27] technology that's just you know listen this guy over here i'm gen x too okay uh

[01:53:37] when the when we went to video i it was like really i mean it was really hard to convince david

[01:53:44] like we should go to video he was not too keen on the idea and then i realized well now i have to

[01:53:50] start doing my makeup for the podcast because you know there were a lot of times i was just like

[01:53:54] rolling out of bed like okay here we go because there was no video but i enjoy this this is nice

[01:54:00] yes yeah that's great all right well predictions i will start here uh unless someone else wants to

[01:54:10] i have predictions okay the preview showed us that next week there's a lot of idle searching

[01:54:16] uh okay uh venus said maria went from being a hero to a villain real quick but i'm not sure that

[01:54:23] really means anything although it might and then there's not much else i was originally

[01:54:30] leaning towards predicting q i had a whole thing written out for predicting q and then shortly

[01:54:36] before we went to record i was like no that's i can't predict q for the third week in a row

[01:54:43] um i do think the sega three will continue to stick together but i think the others will

[01:54:53] realize what's going on and decide now is the time to stop them lizz and q voted with them this time

[01:55:01] but it's not like they're in some sort of solid alliance and venus wasn't even in on the vote

[01:55:07] and you know same with same with kenzie i think yep the others will turn on the sega three

[01:55:15] out of the segas i don't think anyone considers ban the threat so that leaves maria and charlie

[01:55:23] considering what we've heard some of the others say about charlie and underestimating him

[01:55:29] i think we will see maria voted out in front of almost a thousand people in chicago

[01:55:38] that was my pen too well i told you you could have gone first

[01:55:44] yeah no i think it's i totally think it's gonna be maria i was like there's no way in god's

[01:55:49] green earth that they didn't all like this is what i was saying the island of misfit toys

[01:55:53] they're all gonna come together and be like who's left that could actually beat all of us charlie and maria

[01:56:03] yeah it's maria i mean i i love maria on the show i do too so it's yeah i mean that you know

[01:56:10] i love most of them on the show so yes i think that is exactly what is going to happen so let's see

[01:56:16] if we have a dissenting voice here in jeremy yes what do you think jeremy so in in my pandemic

[01:56:21] work i always say i don't like to forecast we're lucky if we can now cast like no one's going on right

[01:56:27] now um so i just i hate predictions uh and also in emergency medicine we don't have to be right we

[01:56:34] just can't be wrong and uh and my third and my third caveat is i'm about to disagree with the two

[01:56:40] smartest survivor people that i have ever encountered in my life wow except except for one

[01:56:46] thing this title there's one other person and that is christian hubicki and the hubicki rule states

[01:56:52] that the preview is not what happens yes and the preview strongly did hint towards maria

[01:56:58] and so putting all this together i don't have to be right i just have to not be wrong

[01:57:03] i'm gonna say it's anybody but maria yeah and that way if i'm right yay and if i'm wrong

[01:57:12] i'm a real idiot no listen i think i'm gonna start doing my predictions that way safety and numbers

[01:57:20] i love that then you'll butterfly you'll reverse butterfly effect that person you'll be like i will

[01:57:25] actually it'll be that person every time so every time yeah oh that's hilarious yeah like that okay

[01:57:33] all right well uh before we go i want to encourage people to check out the rjp patron program at rob

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[01:58:21] a number of different shows like right now i believe big brother canada is winding down and

[01:58:27] so there's a whole bunch of podcasts on that and you know there's just all sorts of stuff there

[01:58:34] you know like i i think i said uh last week you know i do my download and a whole bunch of

[01:58:38] different things uh you know most of which i watch a few of which i don't but it all comes down

[01:58:43] there uh and so it's gotcha covered make sure you don't miss anything it definitely does

[01:58:51] and thank you to scott san pierre and everyone who works with him on all of the editing on

[01:58:56] all of the content that you just heard david bloomberg mention there is so much incredible

[01:59:00] content and so much work to be done it's such a great team that puts all of this together

[01:59:04] and provides hours and hours of endless entertainment so it's not just wide blank loss but

[01:59:10] so many incredible shows on our haps so thank you to everyone who puts us all together for us

[01:59:15] thank you to will from america for the theme song that he has created for us and i must say

[01:59:20] jeremy you have been such a pleasure and a joy i've loved having you so this has been great

[01:59:25] thank you so much for building me up a little bit and david as well because you know this is really

[01:59:31] his show and i'm just a sidekick but i love that you enjoy us so very much and you were so great

[01:59:37] and such an incredible addition this week so thank you so much i'm very very excited

[01:59:41] that you were here with us i'm so honored it was a total joy for me this hereby concludes

[01:59:46] my quest to be unsurvivor of the show it was totally worth it though and thanks for having

[01:59:52] me david and jessica you should still apply you should still apply jeff doesn't watch the podcast

[01:59:58] you know um but yes i hope he doesn't but part of me hopes he does i don't know this is scary prospect

[02:00:05] yeah yes thank you very much for joining us it was a lot of fun you know as we mentioned we

[02:00:10] started talking about this like last season and so i'm glad we could pull it together and

[02:00:16] and have a great time with it of course thank you jessica for another great episode

[02:00:21] next week i will be in chicago with about a thousand of my closest friends to watch the next

[02:00:26] episode uh that's one reason i'm wearing my uh podcast your t-shirt is that you know a number

[02:00:34] of us like something like 200 of us are going to a cubs game and everybody should visit the obvious

[02:00:40] shirts store uh when you're in rigleyville they are you know this is a completely unpaid promotion

[02:00:48] if you've seen some of my shirts you know like podcast or retired and then i have a whole bunch

[02:00:53] of cubs shirts it's the obvious shirts store that i got them at and i i have never actually been to

[02:01:00] their storefront itself so i i hope to be able to bring a bunch of people in there uh of course

[02:01:06] if they're not cubs fans they may be like why are you dragging us here but they have understood

[02:01:11] yeah uh but anyway uh after all of that we'll be right back here uh probably at our usual time

[02:01:19] to discuss whoever is voted out and of course you could find me everywhere online until then

[02:01:27] so with that i will either see you in chicago or we will see you right back here in a week

[02:01:34] bye

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