UNLOCKED: Survivor 47 Premiere Q&A

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino back here for another season of the Survivor

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Q&A. I loved the Survivor 46 patron Q&A. It was one of my favorite podcasts of the week.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I love doing this. I love getting to hear from you all and get your questions. What

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_06]: are the people on the street, specifically the patrons on the street, what do they have

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_06]: to say? So we leave this spot on Fridays for people to call in. You've seen the show,

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_06]: you've heard my post-game show, you've seen the Know-It-Alls, you've heard the exit interview.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Now it's your turn. What are you thinking? What do you want to ask me? Maybe what things

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_06]: am I missing? So this is your chance to come in and talk to me. A couple of things here

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_06]: at the top of the show. What we have done on this is that we stream it out live on YouTube,

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_06]: but only the patrons have the link. So only the patrons can call in. Anybody can watch

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_06]: it, but we make it private after. So if you want to watch it after the fact, you want

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[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: a little, uh, you know, uh, oh, you're walking around the mall. Would you like to try this

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[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_06]: new thing that's unlocked. Go to robbizwebsite.com slash Patreon. Robbizwebsite.com slash patron,

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I should say. And we've been trying on a lot of different other rebranding. Okay? I've

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_06]: also gotten the URL RHAP plus. Okay? I don't know if people are going to like that or

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_06]: not. If it sticks, we'll use it. RHAP plus you can use as well for our Patreon feed.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of other stuff going on also at this hour. We've got Nicole sending me a text that

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_06]: are NSFW. We've got the BBQ and A is going to be tomorrow. I'll be live with Taryn answering

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_06]: your big brother questions. That's going to be at noon Eastern. So on Saturday, live

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_06]: feed update followed by the BBQ and A next Friday, both are going to be on Friday as

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_06]: of right now. Okay. We'll see. We might have a, it's Dominic's birthday, but we might have

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_06]: to move it. Nicole says there's a hurricane coming. So as of right now, look for both

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_06]: the Q and A's to be next Friday. And then one other programming note. Okay. We got still,

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to do Club Condo coming up on Monday with Chappelle, but on Tuesday, Tuesday is

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_06]: a big day because I have a podcast that I wanted to do. I looked at the calendar and

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_06]: of course every week I do this week in Survivor History with Jordan Kalish. But this Tuesday,

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been very thinking very much about 2014, very important year in my life. And I looked

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_06]: at the calendar. I said, Hey, you know, Tuesday is the 10 year anniversary of Survivor San

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Juan del Sur. And I was thinking maybe we should do a podcast to commemorate the 10

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_06]: year anniversary of the premiere of Survivor San Juan del Sur. As we think back to 10 years

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_06]: ago, exactly from the premiere of Survivor San Juan del Sur. Of course there's nobody

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I have more fun watching old Survivor with than Josh Wiggler. And so Josh Wiggler and

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I will be live for our Survivor San Juan del Sur 10 year anniversary podcast coming up

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_06]: on Tuesday. Okay. That being said, Survivor 47 two hour premiere, uh, lots of reactions

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_06]: to what was going on. We had some fun podcasts, had a nice chat with Jon Lovett. I was listening

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_06]: to Jon Lovett talk about his experience on his podcast earlier today, but let's get into

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: this is the patron show. So let me bring in, I got a lot of people on hold and let's bring

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_06]: in, let me start off with Danielle. Okay. Danielle, how are you? I'm doing great. Rob,

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_17]: how are you? Great. Danielle, what's new? Um, I don't know. What's new? You got your

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_17]: Jalinski merch on? I do. Yeah. Yeah. I thought I'd give my RJP stuff a break. Nice. Nice.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_17]: Okay. Yeah. What's going on, Danielle? Um, I, I feel like you're doing this 10 year

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_17]: anniversary podcast just for me. Uh, it's cause San Juan del Sur is where I found you. So I,

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_17]: that's like, I have the most memories with you. Danielle, I think that's what appeals to me about

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_06]: why I especially want to do it is because I don't think that you're alone. Uh, I feel like I've got

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_06]: a whole, uh, soundboard full of, uh, San Juan del Sur clips, uh, that we might be able to,

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_17]: uh, pull out here. So, Hey, um, I, um, I just rewatched the season and I also listened to

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_17]: know it all's along with it. Um, shut your mouth. Call me G. So yeah, you really found the sound

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_06]: board that season. I literally did. Um, yes, that is correct. So there was something in 2014 that

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_06]: really like, uh, between the show and then I was in the right place at the right time. And a lot of

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_06]: people were looking for this content. So I do think it was a special time. And so, uh, I do

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_06]: think that it's going to be fun to go back and visit that on Tuesday with Josh. Yeah. And Josh

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_17]: always has such good energy. I'm glad he's back with us, especially on Twitter. So yeah,

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_17]: I'm very excited for that. And that is not even 47 related. So, well, I think also like Josh is

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_06]: watching 47. I think we'll get like a, like sort of what I like about it is also it's premier week.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_06]: So we could talk about, okay, this is what happened in this premier. This is what happened

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_06]: in this premier. Also, it's very easy to go back and watch this only at one hour show. It's

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_17]: practically a tick tock. I know it's, it's such a breeze. Um, and I know often when y'all rewatch it,

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_17]: you watch it a little quick too. So yeah, that's even faster. Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be a fun

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_06]: one. Okay. So Danielle, what'd you think about the premier of survivor 47? Yeah. Nearly, nearly

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_17]: a vine. Yes. Thank you, Josh. Yeah. Which is, yeah, I didn't expect this is very interactive.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Please like comment away, bring your comments in Josh. I beat him in our JGP fantasy football last

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_06]: week. So, Oh my God. Yeah. I didn't even know about the RHAP fantasy football. Josh can bring it up,

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_17]: but yeah, um, I'll talk, I'll reserve this back talk for later. But, um, no,

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_17]: I thought the premier is really good. I've been trying to figure out, I'm not,

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_17]: I'm not always like super into the premier. I like it when people are like more worn in,

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know. I compare it to like a pair of Converse. Like I love the shoe, but I like it

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_17]: when it's like a little bit more beat up. So I like, so I really check in around like episode

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_17]: four, I feel like, which is when I predicted John would go home. Yeah. So I was surprised at that.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_17]: But, um, I think the one tribal versus three tribal idols are setting us up for a lot of lies,

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_17]: um, in regards to the power of an idol, similar to what Tony was doing. So I'm excited to see.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_17]: Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think it's good. Cause I, as someone who enjoys comedy,

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_17]: I think it's a lot of improv out there for what rules are you going to come up with that, um,

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_17]: are believable. Um, and I think survivor has handed them a prompt already. So I think,

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_17]: I think there's some work that people can do with that.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. I just don't really, I think it kind of breaks the game. I hope that we don't have that,

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_06]: where it's like, you know, this is something that came up a lot in survivor 44 of like, okay,

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: that here's, this is a real idol. And this is also another like highly produced idol that production

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_06]: made, but this one's actually not real. Uh, and then it's like, okay, this is a, uh, this is a

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_06]: perfectly good idol. But what you don't know is that the expiration date passed. And so like,

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_17]: how am I supposed to know that? Yeah. Yeah. I just, I think it's always fun

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_17]: seeing what people come up with. Um, and then I think we might see the playoff in 49 and 50

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_17]: next year as to what's happening with these idols this year. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um, are they allowed

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_17]: to wear hats? Everyone was covering their face like this and I am concerned. Oh, they didn't have

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_17]: hats? Yeah. And I know like Brad Culpepper, Danny, I can picture hats and I'm just wondering,

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_17]: has casting got away from that? As somebody who wants to play, I'm like really scared about the

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: not hats. Do they not give them hats anymore? I don't know. Uh, somebody will probably keep an

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_17]: eye on that. Yeah. Every, literally everyone was like this in the premiere and I, I think everyone

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_17]: should have a hat if that's allowed. I know when they got rid of sunglasses, but I didn't know why

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_06]: they would get rid of hats. Yeah. Okay. That's not one that I have the answer to. That's okay.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Somebody text Asia. Are you allowed to have a hat? I was casting. Are you in the chat right now?

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_17]: Being a baby Andy, I feel so justified. Um, last season I called in cause I just participated in

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_17]: survivor Orlando and I felt uneasy on my team because nobody was cheering my name on in a

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_17]: challenge and I got voted out very soon after that. So when he wasn't getting cheered on for

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_17]: that coconut, I was like, it means something. It means something even though like it shouldn't

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_17]: have been discussed on the mat in the way that it was the confessional I agreed with.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. The cheering. I do think there was something there. I think that that there

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_06]: was something like with Tim last season when Tim was like calling out everybody like,

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_06]: come on this person, come on this person. Like I do think that, you know, it's great.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_06]: The people that you're cheering for, but the people that you're not cheering for also do,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I think take a note like, why aren't they cheering for me?

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. And it's like almost working with children. You have to make sure you're not

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_17]: by including somebody in too much because they're often excluded. Now you might actually

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_17]: be excluding somebody who had always been included, but now he's not being included.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_17]: So it's like an interesting balance there, especially on day so early when you're learning

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_17]: their personalities as well. For sure. Yeah.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_17]: I feel like the other thing was, I liked what Omar said about the culture of the season hadn't been

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_17]: developed yet. I hadn't heard that phrase before. I know we talk about

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_17]: people playing like the winner of the last season they saw, but I didn't think about what happens on

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_17]: the mat on day three is how people handle it on day six and seven. So I thought that was a nice

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_06]: comment. Yeah. I feel like that we talk about it a little bit more even in Big Brother where it's

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_06]: like the house sort of like when Angela ends up making a big speech on day four, it really shapes

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_06]: the whole season. And I do wonder last season where Jelinski, your guy was such a destabilizer

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_06]: early on. How much of a halo effect does that have for the rest of the season?

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah. And Liz has pointed out that the last episode they saw before flying out was her,

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_17]: I'm pissed episode. So like they really got hit with a lot of emotion. So to be thinking about

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_17]: as they go in. But yeah, I'm excited. I think this season, I like every season of Survivor,

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_17]: so I don't mind. But yeah, I thought this was a really fun premiere. I am bummed and I'm sorry

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_06]: you got the grenade, but it's OK. Honestly, like I'm not worried about like I would say of the six

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_06]: people on the draft, I think I probably have like the least skin in the game of especially considering

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_06]: that I was only in one draft and I am the winner of the one draft that I was in. So I lived by the

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_06]: grenade last season. I died by the grenade. Asia will come back next season. It was a good two

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_06]: season arc for me in the draft. And now everybody, if they want, can root for Asia to win and then

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_06]: also still have a chance to win the draft. So I personally it did not bother me at all. I thought

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_17]: it was perfect. Yeah. And it worked out very nicely. But it just is a bummer to see John go.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_17]: But to keep and it's always like, well, we got to keep Andy, so it's OK. Yeah. And my cat's name is

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Andy and he's here. Oh, yes. But not after that, Andy. Different. A different. A different Andy.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. A different Andy on an island. Yes. Oh, my God. That is funny. OK, I'll write that down.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_17]: Yes. A different. You felt lonely on an island. Oh, that's so good. Rob, I've missed you all

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_17]: summer, so I'm happy that we're back. Yes. Well, I was here, Danielle. You weren't.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_17]: I thought you would do more patron calls, but you did the one in June and then you do one every

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_17]: week. It's just about Big Brother. Yeah. Yeah. I'm employed this year, so I couldn't get into it.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. OK, no worries. All right. Talk to you soon. OK. OK. All right. Bye. OK. All right. We got a

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_06]: loaded waiting room here. OK, let's let's go bounce around a little bit. OK. Let me say hi to Rainer.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_22]: Hi, Rainer. How are you? Hey, Rob. I'm doing great. I also missed you over the summer. Yes,

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I know. Well, look, I love doing the BB Q&A and there's some overlap, but it's some different

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: faces. There's different faces that are that are back here. My survivor friends are back today.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_22]: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm biased. I'm biased. Yes. OK. What's going on? Man. Medical school is busy.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_22]: It's busy. Yes. That's what I don't know if you remember from the last time we talked,

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: but I'm in the I'm in the trenches. Yes. I not only do I remember, I believe you talked about

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: how Sophie had a checklist right of, you know, make sure that you don't get the wrong leg. Right.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. And so we have our ER doctor this season. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. I'm interested to see

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_22]: how he plays. I actually thought he did a really good job of comparing triaging

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_22]: to the game of Survivor. Yeah. Something that I hadn't thought about, but it makes a lot of sense.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_22]: Makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So personally, I'm in the I'm in like the evidence based sort of stuff

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_22]: that's what I'm trying to to bring over to Survivor. Like we were talking about the checklist,

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_22]: you know, taking away all these like cognitive problems and biases. And Rob, this week, I

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_22]: hyper fixated on what this week I hyper fixated a little Corey Bortenberger tweeted out during the

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_22]: episode something along the lines of men being the weakest guy in your tribe is a death sentence

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_22]: in the new era. Yeah. And my first thought was, you're so wrong. You're so wrong, Corey. Let me

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_22]: show you why you're wrong. And I don't know, I thought, you know, there's been weak guys who

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_22]: went really far in the game. Weak, you know, that people like Romeo, Romeo made it all the way to the

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_22]: final tribal. Mm hmm. Omar, I don't think Omar would say that he's, you know, a five star athlete.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_22]: Um, you know, there's other ways that people show their strength. But just in terms of

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_22]: premerge strength, the type of person that you might want lugging a giant boat down the sand with

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_22]: you. So I got to work trying to prove Corey wrong. And so I did statistics. Rob, what do you know

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_22]: about statistics? A little bit. A little bit. That's that's one on one. Yeah. One or two.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I probably, you know, took something in college, but, uh, you know, it's been a minute,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_22]: but I would love to hear your findings. Yes. Yes, absolutely. I did a science, Rob. I did a science.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_22]: And so I just pretty much put everybody, uh, everybody on the cast. I got like a big table

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_22]: from the survivor Wiki and I put them on an Excel sheet and I looked and I said,

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_22]: now let's start off with just are you perceived as weak or are you perceived as not weak?

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_22]: And I charted out whether they made the premerge or the merge. And this is what I got. I don't know

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_06]: if I can. I'm not letting you know. So just so premerge, merge a week, not week. So you have,

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_06]: uh, there were 13 people. Let me hear. Let me, I'm going to go full screen on you. Okay. Okay.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God. I'll make you, I'll make you the featured box. Okay. So I'm not going to be

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_06]: off the screen. Okay. So, uh, 13 people, uh, who made the premerge were, uh, or I'm sorry,

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_06]: is this voted out in the premerge? Uh, yes. Okay. Voted out in the premerge were considered weak.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_06]: 19 people, uh, were considered not weak. And then the people who made the merge 16 were considered

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_06]: weak and 55 were considered not weak. And this is just the new era. And the, and this is all people,

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_22]: not just men. This is all people. Okay. Got it. And so that was just like my first thought,

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_22]: well, let me see if, if this thought, because we've all had this thought in the new era is weakness,

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_22]: weakness in the premerge can be seen as like something that you're going to get targeted for.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_22]: And, uh, this is like what we've seen. We saw, especially in the first couple of seasons where

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_22]: a lot of women would go out really early and we were wondering a lot of concern about,

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_22]: are these like super physical challenges hurting women? And so I don't know if you saw the number

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_22]: at the bottom, but that was a P equals 0.058. Uh, and so back in statistics, uh, we have an

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_22]: obsession with a P value. And all that is, is the number that we calculate that says,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_22]: how likely is this that it, um, didn't happen by chance, something like that. Right. Pretty much.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_22]: We just want that number to be less than 0.05 most of the time. Uh, and the number was greater

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_22]: than 0.05, uh, just for that category. And so I said to myself, okay, I'm on the right path.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_22]: Corey's wrong being weak, even though it's super close, there wasn't a big difference being weak

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_22]: doesn't mean that you're going to get a voted out in the premerge. Um, but then I, I thought, well,

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_22]: he didn't say weak. He said weakest. Um, so I said, okay, well let me rank everybody. Um,

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_22]: in terms of the, uh, on a scale of one to three, uh, one being the weakest man or woman, and then

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_22]: two and three being their respective places with three being the strongest. And so, you know,

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_22]: there's a lot of times when somebody may be the weakest man on their tribe, but not seen as weak.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_22]: Uh, think of like JD, like JD is not seven feet tall, like broccoli Brad and JD is not just quite

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_22]: as proficient as Rick hard was. I wouldn't say JD was a Romeo or Zack Wurtenberger, but with no

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_22]: disrespect to them, right. But just to get an idea. So then I looked at weakest versus not weakest.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And if they made the premerge, okay. So let me go back, uh, on this larger image. Okay.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_22]: Yeah. All right. We can just focus on, Oh, there it is. That number. So if you were a P equals

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_06]: 0.001, so that means that there is not a lot of randomness here. That means that we expect

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_22]: pretty much that this should not be occurring by chance. Yeah. So being the weakest, this is again,

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_22]: men and women being the weakest on your tribe of your gender meant that you were more likely to be

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_22]: voted out in the premerge. Yeah. Much more than the merge. But I think that's conventional wisdom,

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_22]: right? I agree. I agree. So I think now we have a footing here and I also broke it down, uh,

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_22]: to be gendered, uh, man, all men or all women. And it held up. So it was also more of the same,

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_06]: but I just thought it was interesting. Yeah. I would love to know that for, uh,

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_06]: six person tribes in general, because I feel like that, uh, I too was victim of, uh, this

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_06]: horrible idea of, Hey, let's vote out the weakest guy from our group of six.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_22]: And it looks like it's, uh, it's holding up. It's like, uh, I think there were,

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_22]: uh, maybe, uh, there's 14 men that were the weakest. And I, when I did all this,

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_22]: I excluded anybody who was like, uh, meta medivac or, uh, quit the game, that sort of thing. Um,

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_22]: there were 14 men who were the weakest and half of them ended up going in the premerge.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_22]: And then of all the men who were not the weakest, I mean, there's like, there was like 36

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_22]: and only seven of them in the premerge. So I know there's like a, what you're saying,

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_22]: Corey was right. Conventional wisdom is right, but I had to prove it. Cause you can't just take

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_22]: things at face value because then that's how you're wrong. You know what happens when we assume

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Rob. Yeah. All right. Well, the next thing that we need to figure out is what can these guys do?

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_22]: I think what they can do is, uh, you know, it's kind of like the old saying, if you don't have

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_22]: to be the fastest person running away from a bear, I, I butchered that you just have to be faster

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_22]: than the guy next to you. That's it. You just got to work your ass off and not be the weakest

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_22]: guy. And I mean, it's kind of shady to John. Cause like he was, I think he talked about

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_22]: working out a lot and getting into like hot yoga. And it's not like he's a weak guy,

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_22]: just the weakest and his tribe. And I think if you were to look at him, you might think, Oh,

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_22]: I don't know. Can he give us that much strength in a challenge? It's tough.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_22]: All right. Maybe you go to the Carson school of bulking up 30 pounds before.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe also easier to do when you're 21 and not 41.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_06]: That's fair. That's fair. I don't know. Okay. All right. Well, Rainer, thank you so much for

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_06]: the call. Okay. Yeah. No problem. Take care. Bye. Bye. Okay. All right. Um, we've got a lot

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_06]: of people on hold, so let's, uh, let's, let's, uh, start getting to see how many people we can

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_06]: get to today. Let's say hi to, uh, let's say hi to CJ. Hey CJ, how are you?

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_19]: Hey Rob, what's up? What's going on, man? Uh, not much. Uh, just, uh, enjoying, uh, the,

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_19]: what a great premiere that was. It was, uh, just really awesome. I think one of the best

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_06]: of the new era, to be honest with you. Yep. I saw, you know, pretty high praise for,

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_19]: uh, the premiere on Wednesday night. Yeah. I think, uh, just why I think we got to see

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_19]: everybody, we got to hear from everybody. Uh, and then, you know, even on a, on a boot episode,

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_19]: we heard a lot from, from John. I think that's, that's always good is I feel like you want to

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_19]: hear if someone's going out, you want to make sure you hear their point of view or their perspective.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_19]: They got a lot of mileage out of him for one night. Yeah. Uh, so that's good. Uh, rooting

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_19]: for Asia. That was just awesome. She was all over the place. Just love that. And you know,

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_19]: she got a, you know, like you said, a fast pass into an Alliance just, uh, with teeny there.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_19]: And that's, uh, that's awesome. Uh, I think the, the dynamics of the red tribe, I think,

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_19]: are they actually the most interesting to me? Uh, just with, you know, all of Rome's antics and then

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_19]: Asia leading the, uh, the watch party, if you will. Um, but I think that that kind of, the thing

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_19]: that I was wanting to ask you about is where does that kind of leave Genevieve because she's the one

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_19]: who says, Oh, I like Rome and I want to work with Roman brought Rome up to teeny. And now

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_19]: Rome's just got this target on his back with an idol that he may have to end up using. Does that

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_19]: mean she's just going to be the odd person out in that situation? Yeah, that's a really good point.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I hadn't been thinking about it as it pertains to Genevieve that we don't know how close they are,

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_06]: right. And to what lengths that she might go to. I'm trying to remember if she was also in that

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I do remember it says Asia and teeny and saw, uh, that were there following around Rome.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it was good. Sean and Kishon was, uh, was Genevieve there too?

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_19]: No, she was just the four of them. So Genevieve wasn't anywhere in that. She wasn't anywhere in

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_19]: that situation. And the only reason I brought it up is because Genevieve pitched Rome when she

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_19]: was talking with teeny about possibly working with teeny and Kishon. And then Tina was like,

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_19]: hold up. I got a little spot saved here for Asia. It is quite a predicament. And I don't think that

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_06]: we've had this situation exactly where somebody in the premerge in the new era is the target and

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_06]: has the idol. The only time I could think of where it happened was in Survivor 44 when Maddie wanted

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_06]: to target Brandon Cottom. And she was like, hey, tonight's the night he's not going to play the

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_06]: we're going to. And then, uh, I, I'm not sure if I, if it was, did Matthew tell him to play the idol

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_06]: then that night? I don't remember. I think I can't remember. I can't remember if it,

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_19]: cause I think maybe they thought that it was going to be Jenny or maybe they told him that.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. And then she played her shot. Yes. I can't remember. So, but that's the only time. And that's

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_06]: the real danger of you try to blindside these people. Like, I think that really the move is

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_06]: you have to make them think that it's going to be them, get them to bluff their idol or bluff them

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_06]: to play their idol and then vote somebody else. Yeah. I think that would probably be it. And they

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_19]: might need Genevieve to do it. If she wants to save her own skin, she would just probably need,

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_19]: um, if she catches wind that Rome may have an idol to say, Hey, I think you're good.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, don't play the right. Oh, because if you play your right, I'm probably going to be the one that

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So we'll see. It's going to be a tricky thing to figure out.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah. I'm really excited to see how the season plays out. It looks fun. Everybody seems

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_19]: like they've got the game in them. Like everyone seems, seems ready to go. It's given me, uh,

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_19]: you know, 45 vibes where he just had so many people who were just really down to play.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_19]: Um, and that, that, that excites me. Yeah. CJ it's hard. It's not like when I played,

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_06]: when you could go out to survivor and these 12 people that have never seen this show before.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah. Right. And so many super fans, uh, I can't wait, man. It's awesome. It's going to be a great

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_19]: season and I can't wait to see how it turns out. CJ, I love how pumped up you are. No, I'm in

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_19]: survivors. Like it was survivors been like the thing that got me into reality TV. So it's got

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_19]: like a little spot in my heart for the game. Uh, but this big brother season is awesome too.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_19]: And so if we have a good, big brother season followed up by a really awesome survivor season

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_06]: back to back, like who can't, who can complain about that? Yeah. Okay. CJ, thank you so much.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. All right. Take care of Rob. See you. Okay. Let's say hello to Sarah. Okay. Hey,

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Sarah, how are you? Me? Sure. Sure. I was like, yeah, it's flipped. Yes. No, I'm not.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I wasn't, no, I wasn't sure if I was going to wake the baby up, but I, but I see the baby.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh no, everyone's, everyone's awake. Okay. Um, I, so I, um, have a theory

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_10]: about why there are so many podcasters on this season. Yes. Why are there so many podcasters

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_10]: on survivor? I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but I think this is the first season

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_10]: that started casting after Jeff himself became a host of on fire. Right. Right. And you know how

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_10]: when you have a new interest, you get very excited about it. You think about it all the time. You

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_10]: you're super pumped when you meet somebody who's also into that. I can just see him in these

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_10]: casting interviews. Like, so I hear you're a podcaster. You know, I recently got into podcasting.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_10]: He's like, Hey, what kind of microphone do you use? Like you'll have to ask Asia if they talked

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_06]: podcasting during the casting. Yeah. Okay. Um, that is an interesting theory of like,

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah. Oh, you're a podcaster. I'm a podcaster. People are like, you know what Jeff is super into

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_10]: right now? Podcasting, like find him some podcasters. He'll love that. Um, well.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if they found, I think these people applied to be on the show, but I do think that

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_06]: it was something that like, I, he did maybe see a little bit more of like, uh, like, wow,

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_06]: that is hard to do. Uh, that's like, I was remembering, he said that during the interview

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_10]: you did with him where he was like, yeah, now that I'm podcasting and I see how much goes into it,

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, I see what you're doing. So yeah. And I listen to the on fire podcast every week.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_06]: It is part of my Thursday routine. A lot on the mud this week. I haven't listened to,

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_10]: there's a lot, it's hard to keep up with all this right now with the last two years

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_10]: of big brother and survivor. Did you have any questions, Sarah, about the mud?

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I really hadn't thought that much about it. If you were going to talk about this week's

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: survivor episode first, first thing you'd want to talk about clearly right to that.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Knowing that it's all on mud, you need a good, a good 10 minutes on the mud. I think.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_10]: All right. Well, I mean, if you can talk 10 minutes about mud, it must be interesting. There

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_10]: must be something interesting about the mud, right? Yeah. All right. Well, I'll see. We'll see.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_10]: And then I know it's survivor us premier week, but it is also survivor Australia versus world

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_06]: casting. I can't believe that was only this week. That was only Monday.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_10]: So my dreams are coming true. You said it would never happen, but here we are.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_10]: George and Sari are playing on survivor together. I don't think she's going to like him.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_10]: We'll see. Who loves George? My daughter loves curious George. Yes. And then, so I only have

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_10]: one more wish on my wish list for this season is if they have someone from survivor New Zealand

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_10]: and it is not Lisa, I will die. Okay. I thought that your wish. I'm so relieved, Sarah,

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_06]: because I thought you were saying that I have a wish that it's somebody from New Zealand and it's

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_06]: not Lisa. No, it is not Lisa. Could you imagine? Wouldn't that be exciting? If, if, if this is,

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_06]: there was another patron that was playing on, on survive. I mean, Oh my God.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Could you imagine a renaper? A renaper? Yeah. So that's, that would be very exciting.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_10]: Keeping my fingers crossed. That's the last thing on the checklist for this season. I could not

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_10]: ask for anything more. Yeah. So we'll see. Okay. All right, Sarah. Well, I hope that everybody

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_06]: over there is giving you some time to enjoy all the podcasts. No, no time ever relatable. Yeah.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_06]: All right. Sorry. Thank you so much for the call. Okay. Yeah. Have a good day. Bye. Okay.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's say hello to, okay. Let's say hello to Minnow. Hey Minnow. How are you? Oh my gosh.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Hi, Mr. Gamer. Mr. Gamer. Yes. That's, that's, I think Mr. Gamer was in the chat. I saw. Yes. Yes.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_21]: Yes. How are you? I'm doing quite well. Last night I finished,

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Kageyan for the first time. Congratulations on your very first live survivor premiere.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_21]: Yes. It was my first live survivor premiere. I had so much fun. It's so hard to focus when

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_21]: you also want to talk to everybody at the same time too, but I had a blast doing it. It was,

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's just, Survivor is good. Like. Survivor is good. And so that you, just to reset your

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_06]: whole story, you found Survivor 46, I believe on the Mariah boot episode, correct? Yes. And then

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_06]: said, Oh, what's this? And then have proceeded to go and watch many, many seasons, more than several,

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_06]: all of Big Brother, listen to entire seasons of the Big Brother recap. Perhaps. Yes. And now,

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_21]: and now look at you, your first premiere. Yes. I will say, I think Rome has me definitely beat

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_21]: on the speed of which seasons are being watched. Although I don't know. Yeah. Rome watched them

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_21]: all. What? In three months? Yeah. Yeah. I have received a speed run of Survivor.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_21]: Absolutely. I listened to like all the podcasts, like in between,

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_21]: to try and get like an idea of what it was feeling like at the moment. So definitely not as fast.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah. But yeah, I've currently watched all of the new era millennial versus Gen X,

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_21]: David versus Goliath and now Kageyan. So now I'm wondering like, should I do San Juan del Sur next?

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_21]: Oh yeah. Come, come with us Tuesday, 10 year anniversary.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_21]: I know. I'm sure I could get a few episodes in by then. So yeah.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_21]: Um, yeah, so I'm, I'm excited to chat. Um, I was just thinking, so I just watched millennials

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_21]: versus Gen X right before Kageyan, right? And I have to say one thing that I don't think I

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_21]: heard it come up too much so far. I mean, it's only been two days, but I was wondering if when I,

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_21]: when we see what happened to Andy, right. I don't want to talk it from a strictly negative

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_21]: perspective. Right. I think who knows what could happen, but I was thinking, I don't have the most

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_21]: knowledge of Survivor. Right. But just watch millennials versus Gen X with David, right.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_21]: And I listened to podcasts right between every episode and such. And I felt there

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_06]: was such negative- It's amazing that you have the time to listen to podcasts in between each episode,

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_21]: but go on. I'm finding a job right now. Um, um, you know, David so much, it felt was very heavy

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_21]: on like, what is David Wright doing? What does he do? He's so paranoid, right? He's making this crazy

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_21]: moves. Why is he playing this idol for Jessica? And then the rest of like, so much of this season

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_21]: sitting there and it's like, we have to get David out because of this underdog story that he's

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_21]: developed. Right. And I'm thinking then though, he couldn't make it to the end though, because of

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_21]: how quickly he turned this around and, um, how much though it became a part of a story and how

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_21]: open he was about like, I've overcome my anxiety. Then we've also seen Owen Knight, Owen Knight and

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_21]: David Wright that rhymes, um, Owen Knight become a zero vote finalist with an underdog story.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_21]: So I was just thinking, have we actually seen someone win with the kind of beginning of like

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_21]: a lot of that emotion and that underdog story, um, in a way that resembles those two or would

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_21]: Andy be the first of his kind and a new archetype if you were to win?

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So this is a good question. I'm just trying to like cycle through it. Well, you know what?

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like that Gabler might be the person who, uh, kind of had like the messy start,

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, has a little bit of, uh, you know, not really fitting in then kind of goes under the

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_06]: radar. And, uh, I mean, I know you're talking about Owen, um, but Owen didn't really have like a,

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_06]: uh, a messy beginning, you know, things didn't go Owen's way along, but you know, Gabler like has

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: the, you know, it's a very bad start and then ends up like working his way all the way back.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah. That's what I was thinking from what I've seen. I'm looking in the chat and I do think I

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_21]: would say like in terms of like, it was very out there and emotional. And a lot of it was,

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_21]: has been centered on Andy, which I think differentiates from someone like Adam Klein.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_21]: Like I don't really think it's, I do see more of like a David Wright comparison in terms of just

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_21]: that very beginning, but I'm it's interesting. Um, what I, uh, I just, I thought it was a curious

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_21]: thing. I feel from what I've seen so far, it, it feels like, oh, you know, I, you know, we've, um,

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_21]: we haven't seen someone really take it around, um, from what I'm hearing and what I've seen.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_21]: So I think it would be an interesting and very compelling story that I do think could win given

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_21]: the right circumstances, but I don't think we've exactly seen so far. Um, and he's a good guy,

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_06]: you know? Yeah. Stephen was talking about, um, how, you know, it's how hard it is to be out there.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And then, you know, you are out of your comfort zone and people are talking about you. And,

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, I was reminded of, I know so many of the patrons play in the blood on the clock tower

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_06]: games with Dwight, like yourself. And I'm reminded of a recent blood on the clock tower game where

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I came in and I basically had, you know, you know this. Yeah. And I, and I confided in somebody like,

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, here's who I am. They said, okay, great. I trust you. Here's who, here's who you are.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And then I guess in this scenario, I was a little bit like the John Lovett of, uh, that I, the person

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_06]: that I confided in got murdered and then said, well, it must've been Rob because he's the only

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_06]: person I know. And everybody was like, Rob, is this true? But I, what? And I did not handle it

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: with the grace that John Lovett, uh, handled it. And then everybody's like, Oh, very sus. Rob is

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_06]: sus. Like, no, no, you have to believe me. Uh, and there was no coming back for, for me. So,

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, when people like are, you're on the outs, it's very hard to be your normal,

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: like a calm self and not be panicky. Yeah. And that is a classic blood on the clock tower

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_21]: strategy in many ways of, of, you know, telling only one or two people your role in order to

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_21]: try and say, well, if anything happens to me, but a lot of times that goes wrong. So, um, yeah,

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_21]: I mean, I, I was just, you know, I didn't say anything. I'm good. Yeah. That can backfire. You

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_21]: tell me something it's in the vault. I'm the same way. I'm the same way when I play. Um,

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_21]: but I've had an interesting track record with winning. I've only won as the one role that it's

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_21]: like, you have to play for the other side the whole time. I had to be with a floater basically

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_21]: the whole time to win and I won, but I haven't really won properly. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so much

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_21]: fun. I love survivor. But yeah, it's we're, we're so back. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I'm probably

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_21]: San Juan del Sur next for me. All right. That'd be fun. Well, that's right after you just watched

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_06]: 28. So go right to 29. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Talk to you soon. Okay. Bye.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_06]: All right. Bye. Okay. Uh, let me pick up. All right. I think I've noticed that somebody is in

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: the, is on hold and has, is, is w it has a prop I believe. Okay. Let me bring in a guy that our most

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_06]: active chatter, I believe Steven C out on long Island said he would just went to Roosevelt

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_06]: are you wearing the grateful dead? Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob. I have, I have several of these.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And when I heard baby, what's it got? The teddy bears. Yep. Teddy bears with the surf board.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Now are you a poser like Andy? Are you Rob? Um, I've been to a couple of concerts at city field,

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_07]: John Mayer performing. It's great music. It's great music. And now certainly well, one day I

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_07]: you're afraid of the weed, right? No, no, no. It's great. Great. Rob. I can't lie, man. It is

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_07]: better than alcohol. It is life-saving. It is medicinal. You got to use it correctly,

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_07]: but Rob, trust me, trust me. Yeah. Trust me. It's good. You got, you gotta, you gotta know your

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_07]: limits, but listen, I am ready. You are right. I have a prop. I bought my tinfoil hat. I'm happy.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I got brought on like right after minnows because I'm also going to be talking about baby Andy.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Right. Like baby Andy. Oh, here, let me just, uh, here, let me for you. And if you guys

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_07]: have a pot, I'm going to have a pot too. Okay. Listen, that's what my dad calls it. And you know,

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: come on. Yeah. This kind of sounds like a fun time to do it. The pot stuff with my fellow housemates.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Angela, as long as it's not illegal. I don't want to get in trouble.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_07]: As long as it's not illegal. Okay. Hey, listen, it's very legal. I have Crohn's disease. If you

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_07]: want to learn more about that, CBS will cast me on 49 and I'll share my life story. Um, but Hey,

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm video is in I'm training with grip strength, grip strength, like Charlie, not like Joseph.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Come on. This is like carrot top called in. Look, I don't, I'm not familiar with carat top. I'm

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_07]: sorry. A lot of props, Rob. I became a patron like three weeks ago. This whole year has been

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_07]: a life changing year. I fully just embraced myself because, because community I've always

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_07]: been a community and I just got bullied as a kid and screw those people. Okay. Perfect. Great. So

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm wearing the grateful head shirt for baby Andy. Let me get my tinfoil hat. He's got more than

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_07]: four friends now. Oh, of course. I was John Lovett. I was John Lovett. I was John Lovett

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_07]: in high school. I had literally zero friends. My friend was the book. So listen, baby Andy,

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_07]: let's just get into survivor. I don't want to take up any more time. Right? I'm not a character.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_07]: This isn't my show, but I'm sitting there in the premier. I drafted baby Andy first round

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_07]: in my family's draft. I'm like, let's go to baby. Andy must be nice. I have John. Love it.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you know, I have baby Andy. I have Asia and I have my man Rome who had a very interesting

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_07]: premier, but baby Andy is who I want to talk about because I see a lot of myself in him.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And then I watched that premier and I'm like, Oh no, I don't want that to happen for me one day.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Right. And, and look, I don't have the experience. I've never been to Fiji to play survivor. That

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_07]: very well could happen to me. Right. But here's my tinfoil hat theory because yeah, this is all

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_07]: calculated. The Andy is, this is a strategy. This is a move by Andy. We have talked about

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_07]: in the past. I'm going to take this off cause it's a little silly, but like you and Steven

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Fishback have talked about on know what else, like what is the line that we can toe in terms

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_07]: of making yourself appear as this? Oh, he can't win. Let's drag him to the end. This goat, right?

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Versus making yourself the immediate first boot. And because you know, he might've clocked

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_07]: John Lovett as the first boot or maybe that where there were talks that weren't shown on the

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_07]: episode, on the edit, maybe he knew like, okay, if we lose first, I can throw John under the bus

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_07]: like you talked about. And he didn't ultimately want to do that. And then once that became

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_06]: like the reality. So I don't think that that's exactly like using that, that there was like some

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of like premeditation on what Andy did. I really don't think that that was the case. And

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Andy, I think might have like some big ideas and hopefully he sticks around long enough that we get

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_06]: to see them. But from what I understand, I listened to John Lovett on his podcast, talk a little bit

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_06]: more about this, that the, as Jeff told us the yellow tribe and the blue tribe were total

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_06]: disasters that I believe that the red, that the Asia's red team, that I believe that they

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_06]: finished their entire puzzle while the other tribes were still in the water. Like it took.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_06]: So for, and I believe that Andy was just so overly exerted, like John Lovett was saying it took so

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_06]: long for them to get the challenge done. I just think that it was sheer, like Andy was just

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_06]: totally gassed. I don't think that there was any sort of like premeditation to what he was doing

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_06]: to sort of like, just like, I think he really just like gassed himself out. No, I could totally

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_06]: see that. And like, you know, that's why I'm doing starting Lindsey Carmine in the Patriot was like,

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_06]: and maybe he was not even back to like at the point that he was on the mat to do the,

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_06]: like maybe he wasn't even back to a hundred percent yet to be back out there, like talking

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_06]: about these things. So I don't think that there was any sort of like, you know, strategy coming

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_07]: from Andy in any of that. That's honestly probably the correct take. And this is just me as somebody

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_07]: who drafted baby Andy first round, RHAP, Patriot. You're a guy in a Grateful Dead shirt calling in

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_06]: a podcast with a tinfoil hat on like a, I get it. Like, come on. Yeah. So man, you put everything

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_07]: into the best words and this is why I love you. Long Island strong. Yes. Stephen, I love the

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_07]: effort and the energy. Please keep it coming. OK, listen, I'm so happy I joined and that was really

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_07]: all I wanted to say to give baby Andy his props. Like he clearly has the mind for the game. And

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_07]: like, let's show him some grace. Like there's only so there's only like 23 more days to go.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Anything could happen. The guy knows his stuff. There's about 100 patron calls that are like this

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_06]: you could go back and watch that. We have we have the receipts, OK? And I hope I'm not speaking too

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_06]: much out of school. I did. I did send word to baby Andy. Hope you're doing OK. And he said that he

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_06]: has been staying offline and he is at least to me made it sound like that he is he's doing he's

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_06]: doing pretty good. So just to pass that along from baby Andy. OK, yeah, that's all I can hope.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, personally, that's all I can hope for. Like I see, honestly, a lot of myself. I'm working

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_07]: in AI soon and our HAP patron like I want to make you proud if I ever get the chance. So got to

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_07]: support baby Andy. Right. And thank you for entertaining my props and all this. OK. All right.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Keep up the good work, Stephen. OK, I'll be on the next one. All right. Great call by Stephen

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Rackham. OK, let's say hello to Josh. Hey, Josh, how are you? Good. Tough act to follow, though,

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Rob. Tough act to follow all the props to you. Really appreciate it. Very nice tweet the other

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_24]: night, Josh. No, of course. What a moment to have Rob has a podcast called out on the show. I mean,

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_24]: I know I'm just grateful that we're in this era of Survivor and Rob has a podcast really being

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_24]: coexisting. Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful. It's so great. I really did kind of think that, you know,

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_06]: with like with all the talk about community, like like leading up to the season, I kind of felt

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_06]: like that they were going to lean into that like a little bit of that, like, hey, like, yeah, this

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_06]: is a community between like there's never been a time when you, the person who's sitting on the

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_06]: couch and the person who's on the island have you've never been closer. You're like we're all

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_06]: part of like this weird club slash family that is Survivor. Yeah, no, there's like half a degree

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_06]: of separation between you, the person who's watching and what's happening right here.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_24]: They're definitely doing everything they can to decrease that distance with all the,

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_24]: you know, the beach drops like the live screenings. Right. Find another show that is

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_06]: you get more access to on television of like you don't get to watch, you know,

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Abbott Elementary or name another show. I don't know. Yeah. Not even these other reality shows.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_24]: Right. Like it's different than even like, you know, Real Housewives or The Traitors.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_24]: And those people are on a whole different planet. Right. Right. You don't watch,

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, Real Housewives of Atlanta and hang out with Phaedra.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, exactly. So I love that they're leaning into it. And also, of course, like kudos. I mean,

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_24]: I'm just glad that you getting some recognition, some name drops, you know, like what, almost 40

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_24]: seasons since you played like it's, I don't know, it's awesome. Almost. Yeah. Next season will be 40

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_24]: seasons. Yeah. Yeah. But one person that I'm wondering, has he joined our community? What

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_24]: are the chances that Obama watched this episode? I couldn't help but think of like.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. I don't know how close. Like I wonder maybe if John Favreau was on the season,

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe Obama would have watched it. I kind of get the sense that like,

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I like I feel like that John, like from the pod Save America that I've listened to,

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of like that they sort of like treat John as sort of like that. He's like the person in

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_06]: the friend group who, you know, gets like the like the pot shots. So, yeah, I don't I don't

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_06]: know. I think that probably he saw a clip. I doubt that Barack Obama and Michelle sat around and

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_24]: watched Survivor on Wednesday night. Yeah, probably not while they're actively out there, you know,

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_24]: on the road right now. Probably not. Probably not. So but OK, you talk about mud. Can I talk about mud

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_24]: for a second? I won't talk ten minutes, I promise. But I just want to say I like the idea of the mud.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I think I do too. You had a good take about like it's it's tough in the beginning to just put

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_24]: mud on people's faces over the colors of their buffs and their shirts and stuff. That's my only

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_06]: complaint about it. Like I get it. I think thematically certainly makes make sense. And

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I just like could we give them their buffs after they go through the mud? Yeah. You go through

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_24]: the mud and then put your buff on. Yeah. So I like baptism by mud. So I used to be a minister.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_24]: Like I used to baptize people, whatever. So I've thought a lot about baptism as a symbol.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_24]: And I like the idea of like Survivor is not real world. Like in the real world, what Rachel was

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_24]: doing with Andy would be morally corrupt. But like in Survivor, I thought she played it really well

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_24]: with like not like recognizing I can't just perfectly cater to this this hurting person,

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_24]: because it's going to have social implications on the game. So like Survivor is a game where you

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_24]: have to go from the real world and you have to experience this baptism of not from water,

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_24]: which cleanses you, but this mud that completely dirties you. You got to step into the game and be

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_24]: willing to do things you wouldn't do in the outside world. So I love the like symbolism

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_24]: and the symbology of like having this moment at the beginning of the season every time. Let's do

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_24]: it. But practically, it was tough. I mean, it just I wasn't lower third who they are or something

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_06]: like I just like I'm watching. I'm like, wait, wait, who is that? Is that? Is that? Yeah. Which

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_24]: which woman is that? Yeah, it was tough. But the production level, like the drone cameras following

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_24]: everybody, like during the challenges like they are sincere. They're doing so much. I just I know

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_24]: Steven was was hot on this about like they deserve the Emmy. Like there's just no question there's

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_24]: any other show that competes with them, whether or not they're going to get recognized. But I'm yeah,

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_24]: I love the the not only what they did with the mud, but also I do like that they mixed up the

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_24]: sweat and savvy like thing. I thought that this worked a lot better. I don't know if you've talked

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_24]: about it yet on a podcast, but I just thought that this yes, narratively worked way better than

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I didn't talk about it narratively, but I did talk about that. I liked it a lot better in

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_06]: terms of like, you know, I think if this was even offered in the future to contestants, I think you

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_06]: might have a situation where and I know that nobody wanted to do I guess TK wanted to do,

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_06]: but nobody from Asia's tribe wanted to do it. I could see myself wanting to go do that, like just

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_06]: to do like a heads up coin flip of it's me versus another person to win this stuff for like who's

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_06]: feeling confident enough to win this heads up battle as opposed to like what like the risk

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_06]: proposition of sweat versus savvy of like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm going to volunteer for savvy.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to gas myself out for the entire rest of the day today. So I'm going to be diminished

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_06]: in the immunity challenge tomorrow, you know, maybe like a, you know, completely useless where

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to get voted out for what to get the pot and the machete, like we'll get it eventually.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I yeah. And I think that like having it more simple, like both by like decreasing the

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_24]: amount of characters who are doing, you know, the like the chat, this mini challenge at the

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_24]: beginning of the episode also helps us like remember things clearer. I think also like

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_24]: I literally having it a linear challenge where you're like doing step by step and then going

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_24]: back to get the key. Like, it just feels like it's let's just like, let's not make this so

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_24]: complicated. Let's not have a puzzle that's like impossible to follow at home, you know,

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_24]: or a sweat challenge where you like where it's just really hard to know what progress they're

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_24]: making, like in like in this mini challenge. I just thought like they've like, simplified

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_24]: the beginning of the season. And I just think that that's like, I don't know, paying dividends or

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_24]: even simplifying like the idol situation, I think as well. Like I know, like the boxes is a little

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_24]: bit complex, but again, it's linear, which I think is just like, yeah, what is like super

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_24]: helpful with following these little like mini challenges or these advantages? I thought that

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_06]: the actual challenge itself of finding the keys I thought was just fine. But I feel like the idea

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_06]: of like some sort of like heads up battle that, you know, is fair, not like a super an equitable

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_06]: comp, they say, was fine. I think that this was a good way to do it better than sweat and savvy.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, yeah, I thought so. And and then of course, God bless teeny for saving a seat for Asia. Like

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_06]: she was Elijah about to return, you know, at any moment. So yeah, good job. Helped her helped

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_24]: teeny get a fishy. Yes, yes. I don't have any I try to come up with my best galaxy brain takes

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_24]: this. This episode was not the most strategic. Really? I think I lean towards the, you know,

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_24]: the tribe doing a good. I kind of think I understand getting rid of john here instead

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_24]: of Andy. And I think that I wonder like you were you were saying on with Steven,

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_24]: I believe like that. I wonder if john got a little bit better at it than we we saw.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_24]: And like, just they kind of obfuscated his social disconnect with the rest of the young people.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't see what anybody else thought of john. John said on his podcast, he thought the edit was

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_06]: very fair was very good, like no problems with the edit. So I don't know could be a good question

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_06]: for the other folks if we get the chance to talk to them. Yeah, the one thing that he did say that

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_24]: was also interesting on his podcast, which is a very small tidbit, but he did say that he's like,

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_24]: they knew who I was like, they had a little small aside talking with fabs like about like,

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_24]: like they they they they did recognize me and I think that that was not clear on the show.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_24]: And I feel like yeah, that they yeah, that might have also contributed to this. I wonder if we'll

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_06]: hear more about that later. All right. Josh, thank you as always for the call. Rob, thank you

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_06]: as always. We're back. We're still back. Okay. All right. All right. Let me say hello to Mark.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_20]: Hey, Mark, how are you? Hey, I'm on. Hey, yes. Yes. Nice buff. Thank you. I'm coming to you live

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_20]: from Taipei, Taiwan. Actually, it's past midnight here anyway. Okay. Yeah. So we have a very similar

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_20]: draft team. So I'm part of one of Randy's drafts. We share a winner pick and also happy grenade day

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_20]: to both of us. Yeah. Except I had Saul and you had well, I took Sierra. Sierra. Sierra, I think

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_06]: is a pretty decent pick. Yeah. So I think it's pretty good. I just thought that Saul had a pretty

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_06]: light premiere just in terms of like getting the type of like first episode you would expect to

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_06]: get from the person that's going to win the show. But, you know, you know, wouldn't be the craziest

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_20]: thing that ever happened. I think Saul had a very mixed reaction from his preseason interview. Yes.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_20]: But I think people are starting to warm up to him after the premiere. And I've seen nothing but

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Saul love online, like people in the draft were like draft Saul, draft Saul. And people were

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_20]: seemed like very high on Saul. Yeah. And I know people didn't contribute

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_20]: John's loss to this that much, but some people were saying that he maybe talked a little too much

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_20]: in like on site and in front of Jeff. I got that chat in front of Jeff, like in camp as well.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_20]: I think that's also what also might have contributed to him. Yeah, I can't speak to

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_06]: in camp, but I could see a scenario where, you know, somebody like I think everybody comes into

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_06]: the game and it's like, hey, let's not attract a lot of attention. Let's not like, you know, get

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Jeff, like give him anything. And then if you have somebody who's like getting like very like

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_06]: lippy and sort of like being a little bit of like a camera hog, I do wonder if that maybe could rub

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_20]: people the wrong way. Yeah. And, you know, in Big Brother, we also say that just go to sleep until

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_20]: jury. And I don't know if this we might have touched on this in the past a little bit, but

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_20]: I don't know if that kind of applies here as well in Survivor, because we had a lot of winners that

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_20]: had really light pre-jury edit. And so I don't know what your your. Yeah, I mean, I think it's

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_06]: a pretty valid strategy. I mean, that to me, I feel like that Survivor in the new era is a lot

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_06]: different than Big Brother where and Taron, you know, has been such a great advocate of talking

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_06]: about the game of Big Brother and hey, positioning, get your position, build your structure early day

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_06]: one, like go for the first H.O.H., get your people. I don't think that behooves you in Survivor. I

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_06]: think that Survivor there's so much randomness in the game that almost every round, especially

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_06]: in the pre-merge, I think is a much more of like a Sandra situation of anybody but me, I think go

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_06]: to sleep before the merge. I mean, I don't think that there are too many people that they get to

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_06]: the merge and it's like, oh, I'm screwed because I don't have my numbers at the merge. Like there's

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_06]: been very little, maybe Survivor 45 being the one exception to that in the new era. But I think that

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_06]: really the name of the game in the Survivor new era is just just get to the merge and don't be

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_06]: one of the people that the group ever says, all right, today it's Mark. I mean, yeah. Yeah,

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_20]: because Michelle had a light edit. Erica had a light edit. Dee also had a light edit. And so

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_20]: that's kind of why I'm coming up with this theory. Just stay asleep pre-merge and just go full out

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_20]: when you come to the merge. Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, Gabler, when he got to the merge, like, again, like was like had a lot of stuff going on in the

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_06]: beginning of the game, but then like was very under the radar, you know, and Kenzie too was

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_20]: somebody who was not really on people's radar. Yeah. And much love to Andy. I hope he can go back

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_20]: to sleep until the merge. I don't know if there's much room for him to do that. Hey,

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_20]: that that was the problem. And yeah, so that's about it for me. Thank you for taking my call.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_20]: John Ford Trader Season 4. Yeah. OK. If he's not too busy. All right.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_06]: All right, Mark. Take care. Bye. Bye. OK. All right. Let me pick up. Let's say hello to Connor

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_23]: B. Hey, Connor, how are you doing? What's going on? You know, I'm doing well. Just taking a test

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_23]: for my MBA. But 24 hours. So got plenty of time. OK. You have 24 hours to complete the whole test.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_23]: Yeah. A real savvy. So a few less than three days. Yeah. But yeah. OK. I wanted to talk about

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_23]: so my thought process and Josh mentioned it earlier. I have really so I watched the premiere

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_23]: with my brother in law. He's never seen an episode of Survivor before. And he pegged John

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_23]: Lovett as the first boot. The moment that he mentioned that he was a speechwriter for Hillary

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_23]: Clinton, Barack Obama did Pots of America and not necessarily because of his politics, but because

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_23]: of the fame that kind of comes from that. And I'm curious how much that could affect him being a

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_23]: target. I think like it's clear that he would have a big storyline. It's clear that he would

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_23]: have a lot of confessionals because he's well-known. And I'm curious if that would be a cause for

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_06]: people to target him on the island. It certainly could be a reason that people target him. I don't

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_06]: know if I know in his package, his intro package, they showed that he was with Barack Obama and

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Hillary Clinton. I don't know if he told the people on the island that that's what he did.

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's unclear. I think that you could certainly imagine that that was the case, but we'd just be

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_06]: speculating because nobody even implied that in the episode. So it's definitely possible.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_23]: Fair enough. And the other thing that I just have been thinking about...

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_06]: But I would just say that I think Occam's razor is still that, OK, he was, as we talked about

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_06]: with Rainer early on, that just being the weakest guy in the tribe, I think, was like, OK, well,

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_06]: how are we going to be back at tribal council if we vote out Andy here? So why don't we just vote

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_23]: out John? So I was also watching because John reminded me a lot of David Wright. I mean,

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_23]: I feel like David Wright, Cochran, you know, very, very asking in terms of their personalities,

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_23]: self-deprecation. So I rewatched the premiere of Millennials vs. Gen X today,

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_23]: and David did this interesting thing which baby Andy ended up doing, which was after the challenge,

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_23]: kind of calling the tribe together and really just saying like, hey,

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_23]: I know that I messed up. I know that I am probably a target. But like I pledge my loyalty.

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_23]: And I really wonder how much of an impact that could make on day one.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's very interesting. Now for David Wright, who physically is more of a John Lovett

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_06]: than a baby Andy, he had the benefit of, I believe he was on a 10 person tribe as opposed to John

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Lovett, who is unfortunately on a smaller, a six, soon to be a five person tribe. But yeah,

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_06]: that is interesting to sort of acknowledge, hey, my bad. I screwed up, but like I'm with you.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I do wonder if maybe that can help like, OK, turn the page of like, OK, we've sort of

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_06]: acknowledged this thing and everybody's like, OK, well, now what do we do as opposed to,

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess if you don't acknowledge it, then people are saying like, OK, well,

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_06]: we're going to go after Andy, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I sort of like say just to like,

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_06]: let the unsaid thing be said. And maybe there's a little bit of like, OK, well, now what do we do?

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_23]: Well, especially I know, John, I believe in his exit interview mentioned that like,

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_23]: obviously, Andy was the boot that they were telling him so he can just like keep going up

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_23]: and being like, oh, hey, we're doing Andy, right. So I wonder if that that kind of I mean, it's all

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_23]: speculation, but I wonder if that caused him to end up targeting Anika instead.

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, as opposed to just like keep your fingers and you know, and he says in the episode, I don't

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_06]: want to like go out without, you know, taking my shot here. And so I'm going to go for it. But yeah,

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_06]: the shot in the dark, I do think made for some interesting ramifications of if they're already

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_06]: telling him Andy, he there's not a lot of campaign he could do. But no, but but let's really do it.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. Like, let's not just. Yeah, it's like we told you, yeah, we're voting for Andy. Like,

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_23]: no, but seriously, though. Right. Yeah. I mean, I just I feel like that would

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_23]: that would look more paranoid to go up to go up to people and be like so it's very.

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_23]: Yeah. Just the paranoia of that. I love I love premieres. I like the premieres are typically

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_23]: my favorite episode of the season because there's so much take that typically comes.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_23]: I think I agree. I, I love I love the premiere. I love I love baptism by mud. I'm not going to lie.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_23]: I think like I love the challenge. I love kind of that. Yeah, I just love all that. All that

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_23]: kind of comes with it. It's the start of the season. It's fun, too. I mean, there's just

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_23]: that level. But I thought John was a great I think he took it well. I think he was a great

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_23]: first boot for the season. And I'm interested to see kind of the ramifications. My friend

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_23]: also mentioned he's like, I wonder what the tribes are going to think when they see Andy

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_23]: have this giant meltdown in front of everyone. Yeah. And then he's still there. They're going

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_06]: to be like, yeah, that'll be fine. I think it'll be it'll be a fun reaction. I did text to some

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_06]: people that is John Lovett, the new era's David Sampson. I wrote before the season started,

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_23]: I wrote predictions and I said that John Lovett will be a David Sampson first boot.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I like I said, David Sampson tweeted to John Lovett also like, hey, welcome to the club.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_23]: So it's it's another part. I mean, I think he's David Sampson is. Yeah. David Sampson

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_23]: is a pretty big podcast. Yeah, I don't I don't follow him. Yeah, admittedly.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_23]: Um, but yeah, I think John was was was great. I'm excited to see how the season goes.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_23]: But I was really I was really curious. Just I'm not normally a tinfoil hat person,

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_23]: but really that like Steven, the level of how much how much he might have been recognized,

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_06]: how much that might have affected him. Very possible. Yeah. OK. All right. Connor,

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: thank you so much. OK. All right. Thank you, Rob. OK. Let's go to OK. Jeff is on hold.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, Jeff. How are you? Boy, look, look how the world has changed since the last time we were

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_06]: talking. What was it back in May? But you're still on mute.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_12]: Hey, Rob. Yes, I was sitting outside the last time we spoke and then I've been waiting for

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_12]: you to come back to non big brother. And I'm still here. Yes, you're still here. And somehow

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_06]: so are the Mets. The Mets and the Mets were like baby Andy back in May. And we're like,

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_12]: that's it. It's over. That's right. That's right. Hopefully they won't pass. And if they can come

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_12]: back, no heat stroke. No, that's hopefully they won't pass out. It's very exciting, isn't it?

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_12]: And speaking of tinfoil hats, our jets are two in one. Also, very exciting night. Yeah. Big,

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_12]: big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a great night and nice to be back here with you virtually

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: chilling. Yes. And Alisa says, look at this soothing background. Yes. Thank you. That's

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_12]: actually the background. It's not fake background. Yeah, no, I, but I, I, uh,

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_12]: virtually chilling. I've been waiting to say that since you interviewed Ben, what was that in July?

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah. I had that line queued up for you. So he was, that was a great interview.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Thank you so much. Okay. So what's going on, Jeff, what'd you think?

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_12]: No, well, I, I, the one survivor that I cared about is God because I, the rest of them,

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_12]: I couldn't, I could barely get through the interviews. I was excited about love it more.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_12]: Another one of my favorite podcasters. And I don't want to keep keeping praise on you,

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_12]: but I haven't spoken with you for a few months. Your interview with him, watching you side by

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_12]: side when you said how many 40, 40 ish white male podcasters would they want? That was just,

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_12]: that was outstanding. Uh, he said great there. He said too. Yeah, too. Yeah. And I like your

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_12]: previous caller, the one with the, was it Rachel? The one with the child talking about his interest

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_12]: in podcasts, uh, getting probes attention. So, so I'll remember I have a Mets podcast,

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_12]: national league town was a big 80 listeners a week. So if they want a 65 year old cisgender

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_12]: white guy, which is exactly what they want, I'm right here. Hey, look, you sound like you got

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_06]: your video. You can clip this, send it right to cbs.com. That's right. Right in the trash file.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_12]: But the, uh, I did not like the mud, not that it was a bad challenge. I just want to learn who

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_12]: these people are saying. Yeah. Yeah. And the same thing with the faces in the lock box. I want to

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_12]: see, uh, who they are. And one you, you mentioned don't give them the buff right away. I think one

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_12]: what faces in the lock box, the faces in the toolbox is whatever they were.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_12]: The, if they were looking in the boxes all the time and it was a single camera shot,

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_12]: I want to see more people. Okay. Oh, I want to see more activity. All right. So when they were

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_06]: looking for the keys, you didn't like that. It was so much of them, like, uh, them in the boxes.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah. That, I didn't think it was, I thought it was interesting, but at first episode,

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_12]: I want to learn who the crew is. Okay. That's all. All right. That's all. But I thought,

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_12]: love it, handle it well. And your interview with him was fine. I enjoyed him on

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_12]: pod save America today. Uh, I concerned that Andy's going to be the new, uh, Bonu.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_12]: Oh no, please. Yeah. No, not that Jeff. Yeah. That ruined that was one of the reasons why my,

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_12]: my enthusiasm for this season has been curved the way the Banu era. Uh, and oh yeah. Another thing,

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_12]: I had an hour to get through this. I think about these things. Uh, so I want to get through it

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_12]: before you go. I listened to some of Jeff's probes podcast today, which is, which I think is called,

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_12]: is that what it's called? I thought it was called Jeff probes knows more than you and wants to tell

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_12]: you. He does. Yeah. He wants to tell you how smart he is. So he, he said, well, we didn't know they

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_12]: were going to dump the thing over a tested. We tested it with the dream team, but the boat,

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_12]: one thing with the one thing with the dream team is that they're professional testers.

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_12]: So they know they're not, yes, their adrenaline's not flowing. They're not playing then it's,

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_12]: it's not new to them though. So they, they're calm. There's no pressure on them. They may have

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_12]: known to distribute their weight better. They may have known how to paddle because they've

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_12]: battled before. Right? So I think that's a, uh, Charlie was explaining that you have to,

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_12]: some people don't know how to paddle. And so I think probes explanation was incomplete. Do you,

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_06]: what do you think? Yeah, I think that that was, that's a good point. They need like a scream team

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_06]: of, they need like some like survivor tourists that come in, you go to survivor camp and then

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_06]: you test the challenges. Like you don't ever get to see the players, but you come to survivor fantasy

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: camp and then they throw you in it. Like at the end of your time, they throw you in a challenge

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's everybody's first challenge and they have to go through it. And then they can see like

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: a realistic expectation of what it's going to be like for people who are just like, have not been

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_12]: in a survivor challenge before. Lots of waivers, a lot of, a lot of waivers and NDAs there, but

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_06]: that's a good idea. Sure. They sleep, they sleep on the beach. It costs them nothing. It's all

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_12]: profit. I agree. So if the Mets make the playoffs, we're going to get Rob as a baseball podcast.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if you need me podcasting. If there was a chance for that, it was probably a better

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_06]: chance when I was on the West coast when I could have not done it at like, you know, 1230 at night.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_06]: But let me see what we can do. Let's not put the cart before the horse. I'm just hoping for

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_06]: not too many Wednesday night games. Although each one would be a good, that's a rich person's

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_06]: problem to have of too many playoff games colliding with survivor. Yeah. So let's hope we

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_12]: have that problem and just win tonight. I want to thank you for this community and to the mishpoka

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_12]: out there. I don't know if you know that you're from Long Island. You've heard that word.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_12]: I've not heard that one. What is that? The family. Yeah. For the crew, because

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_12]: my survivor, and I'll leave with this. My survivor interest diminished last season with

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_12]: the way that way it ended and the fact that people, that people's monetary needs are more

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_12]: important than how they play. You we've, we've discussed this. Yeah. The immense argument about

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_12]: this. You exchange blows there, but that bothers me. And I miss Ponderosa and I miss the,

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_12]: the a lot of the Mr. Merge dinner or whatever it was called. And I, and a lot of it,

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_12]: I don't like the show as much and Bhanu of course, but I, if I stopped watching, I would miss you.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah. Well, thank you Jeff. I would miss the group and my family as a chat. So the show is secondary

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_12]: at this point to that. I get that. I enjoy that. So Jeff and I'll say it was only the first

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_06]: episode. Maybe they, maybe they could win you back that the thing you didn't like only happened

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_12]: two episodes ago. That's true. And it meant to want me back.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_12]: Look at where we were back in the spring. Okay. Anything's possible. You got to believe. All right,

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_12]: Jeff. That's right. Thank you very much. Everybody out there. LGM. Bye. Okay. Bye.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. All right. Here, let's then pick up. Okay. Joey has been waiting. Of course,

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_06]: everybody in the survivor Q and a knows Joey. Joey, how are you? I'm doing fantastic. I don't

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: know if everybody does me, but I may, maybe I guess I don't think so. If they're a regular

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: viewer of the survivor Q and a and the big brother Q and a they know Joey. Joey is at college now.

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. Yes, I am. I am. I am at college at the American metropolis, the city that never sleeps,

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Columbia, Missouri. Okay. Just a wonderful place. All right. I guess. Yes. What's going on,

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Joey? What'd you think of the premiere? I liked it. You know, I love survivor. Are we going to

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: see you on survivor one day, Joey? I mean, I apply. I've applied for like the past three years

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: or whatever, but I think, I think a straight white nerd isn't really something that they're in,

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: they're in need for in casting. So, you know, I don't, I don't really know.

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_06]: They, they do have like their pick of the litter, but look and maybe, you know, I don't know,

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe they're shying away from casting as young as they have in the past. Maybe they were going to

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_06]: just wait a couple more years before they give the call back. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not,

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not panicked about the whole thing. I'll keep applying. Yeah. Yeah. But no,

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed the episode. I thought it was good. You know, I really think 45, 46 and 47 have all had

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: good premiere episodes for very different reasons. 45 sure had the Hannah quit, but I think that is

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: a hilarious episode. Really, really fun, funny episode. 46 is interesting. Also funny, but in

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Jalinski two, two elements of failure and those, and this one is really interesting strategically

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: in my opinion. And part of the reason for that is we've seen something that we haven't seen since

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: David versus Goliath in this season, which is a celebrity that gets recognized on survivor

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and potentially too. And that would be the dual podcasters. That'd be Asia and John.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And you know, Connor B was talking a little bit earlier about celebrity,

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: the idea of how much can celebrity impact somebody on the first day. And it's so,

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it's so fun that he was talking about that because I actually did a bit of research into that.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I found it fascinating to think about if somebody recognizes you on survivor,

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: is that a benefit to your game or is that a detriment to your game? Because.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I would just say in the case of Asia versus like John Lovett or like a Jeff Kent,

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_06]: like, I think that there is like this idea of with like a celebrity of it's like, oh, okay.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_06]: They're famous. They don't need this. They're up here and we're here in the case of like a teeny

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: and Asia or anybody that recognizes Asia. While I guess I was concerned that people were like,

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, well she's a super fan. We got to get rid of her. It's a little bit like this thing of ours,

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_06]: like this, uh, this community, it's a little bit like, oh, that person's in my fraternity.

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_06]: That person's in my sorority. You know? It's like, I recognize them that they're,

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_06]: they're the same as me. And it's not necessarily like that. Teeny is like, oh,

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_06]: there's that, you know, they, some people do call her Asia wealth sometimes. Uh, but, uh,

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: not from her podcasting career. Yeah. And it was interesting because I sort of had to break down

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: the, these celebrities into two categories. There's the John Lovett category, which is I'm

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: famous because I do something famous-y, you know? And then there's the other category,

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: the Asia category, the much more rare category, which is I am reality TV, you know,

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: aligned to some extent. So some people can be both Mike White is both, but like the,

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: uh, the Natalie Anderson's of the world are reality TV. The Hayden Mosses of the world

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: are reality TV. Only people who are really in the weeds of reality television will probably

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: recognize these people versus a Jimmy Johnson or something like that where a lot of people-

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe a thing that has happened, not that we're going to have more RHAP podcasters calling in,

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_06]: but I don't think it's crazy to think that there's going to be more patrons, uh, calling in more

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_06]: people that go to the live shows, people that go to Bryce and when, and as like the community of

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_06]: super duper fans becomes like, in some ways, not necessarily smaller, but tighter where if you are

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_06]: a Survivor super fan, like you've, you know, the people who care and know the most about Survivor

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_06]: are like, it's very easy to find like what their thoughts are. Um, and maybe they're not necessarily

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_06]: a podcaster, but there are people who are, you know, prolific tweeters about the show or make

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_06]: TikToks. And I just do, I think that you'll see this more and more as Survivor moves into the,

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_06]: ultimately into the fifties, uh, as the people who are like probably the most prolific talking

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_06]: about the show are going to get on the show and recognize each other more and more.

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And that point is really interesting because I do think that's why we have this divide of like,

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: especially with Asia, like no other celebrity that I think has ever been on the show,

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: are people when she's gone on this journey or whatever, are people legitimately like,

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: well, I'm just saving a spot in my alliance for Asia, just to be fair.

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're not going to get that with anybody else. But the fact that Asia is known as,

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, like somebody who knows the game well, somebody who's generally trustworthy,

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: somebody who, you know, people know her general vibe, her general deal, um, and like is almost,

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: almost predictable and a potential ally. Like that's very important. And that's not something

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: you can get by watching Jimmy Johnson or John Lovett or anything.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's why I say to people, if you are on the fence thinking about, you know,

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: getting more involved in this community, like don't be shy because someday you might be glad

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: that you did. Yeah. And it's very interesting because a lot of the reality TV people were

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: very trustworthy. Like people really trusted Mike White. People really trusted Caleb Reynolds before

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: he got medivac. You know, people really trusted Hayden Moss. These are some of the most trustworthy

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: people in their, in their tribes, partially because, you know, they're good players. They've

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: been on other reality TV, but also because like people know how they play. People recognize Mike

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: White, people recognized Hayden Moss certainly and people recognize Asia. And I think that tell

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: that being able to tell how they play is important, especially when you put that against

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: people who you don't know, like, like Lisa Wetschel. You don't know how she's going to play.

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson was viewed as a threat for being too much of a leader.

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Isn't that crazy? But I think it was more than he's like, he's rich. He's like, yeah.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: That's but what I'm saying is these, these traditional celebrities, like they have a hard,

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: they have a harder time. They have that day one perception. And I think John Lovett did too.

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, John Lovett played well. I don't think he should have been the first boot,

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think he did make a crucial mistake when he immediately sort of alienated himself from

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: the rest of the tribe by saying, this is what I do. I do a podcast. I was a speech writer.

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm famous. You're not. And even if it wasn't, even if it didn't actually contribute to him

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: getting voted out, I do think it helped contribute to the rest of the tribe mates. Maybe not,

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe not gelling with him as well. Maybe, maybe sort of feeling more comfortable with each other's

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_06]: age group rather than John. You know what? And it's a good point in terms of John with his tribe.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And I always think of Rudy with this and Rudy is somebody who, you know, was not really,

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, a gamer, but there was something that he said back in the very first season about how

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_06]: he said, Hey, there's more of them than there are of me. And he was like, how do I,

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_06]: how do I fit in with them? Not necessarily like, you know, how do I you know, you gotta make them

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_06]: feel like they're running the show. You know, he's part, he's part of what they're doing. Not,

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_06]: not, not necessarily like, you know, and not to say that he wasn't trying to connect with them,

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_06]: but I just feel like you can't make them feel like you're separate at all.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And I agree. And I think John did do that, unfortunately. And even though Andy,

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, a lot of criticism about this, about his game, one thing you can take away from him

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: is he really tried to connect with his peers as a peer and John, John tried to connect with them,

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: but it was more like, Hey, I remember buying, I was popular, but you know, it's different. And

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe that's just natural personalities. And I'm sure that's a large part of why John wasn't really

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: able to find an, like an alliance, like somebody to really connect with. I mean, he talked at

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_03]: length about how he felt comfortable with a few different people, but there's a difference between

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: feeling comfortable with someone and actively working with them. And John just wasn't able

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: to do that. So, okay. Joey, are you on Tik Tok? No, no, I'm not. Okay. I'm not on those social

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: medias. I mean, if you look me up, you can find new places, but I'm not, I'm not active.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Do you think it's interesting that like that yellow tribe, was there not a lot of like

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_06]: age diversity? I feel like that they were all like from like 26 to like 30.

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. I want to say, I wonder if it would have helped John if there was like, you know,

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: a 21 year old also. Yeah. I don't, I don't necessarily remember all of their ages.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously John was 41. I think Andy's 21. I think Rachel was like 26, but I think,

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I think, I think Sam might be younger too. I think he's like 24 maybe. Yeah.

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I think age diversity by itself isn't something that, that can like alienate, it can

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: alienate you, but it's not going to get you booted out of the game. I mean, I look at Sue, she's,

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's the oldest person in the game this season and she was able to connect very well with

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: her tribe. But also she didn't, she's catering to them basically. And John didn't, he, he basically,

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and he even said this in the pregame press, like I'm throwing all my cards out there.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This is who I am. I have this podcast network. I, you might know who I am. You know, I've done

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: speech writing and something Mike White did really well is Mike White was recognized, but he didn't

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: like, shall we say introduce who he really was until he was already well integrated into the game.

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Mike White was a little bit hosed in that and like, wait, why are you a Goliath?

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah. And so we had to, but that's, I feel like that's what the best of these like pseudo

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: like celebrities do is, is sort of introduce who they are after a while. Yeah. Yeah. Gary Hoogaboom

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: did the same thing, though not intentionally. He didn't want to, but he did. Okay. All right,

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Joey. Let me pick up some more calls. Great to be back chatting Survivor with you again. Okay.

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course. I love being on the Survivor Q and A. It's my favorite thing. And thank you for having

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_06]: me. Okay. Well, Joey talk to you soon. Okay. All right. All right. Let me go to Will. I think Will

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_06]: has a prop shirt on if we want to call it that. Will, how are you? I'm good. I've got, yeah,

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I've got my U shirt. The exclusive eras RHAP, the new eras t-shirt patron only. Yes. I bought it

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_08]: the second, like you announced. Wow. Will, thank you so much. I went to the link, like bought it

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_08]: immediately. All right. Yeah. Well, what's going on? But I'll keep it short because my wife's

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_08]: friend's fiance is bringing over a recliner. So I have to help get that to the door. Okay.

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_08]: But I wanted to put on my... Is it a recliner for you guys? Yes, we have one, but it's broken and

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_08]: like two feet too small for me. Like my legs hang off of it. So we needed to get it. All right.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Enjoy. But I'll keep it short. But I wanted to put my tinfoil hat on as well. And as we have

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_08]: recently learned this summer, CBS is not opposed to putting plants on these reality shows.

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think like, I think there's an argument to be made that they told John like, Hey,

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_08]: you come on Survivor. You only have to be there for three days. Maybe Andy was a plant. Yeah. No,

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_08]: no. But they tell John that you got three days. You just have to sleep outside for two nights.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_08]: You can go home. Then you promote our show on night talk shows and you podcast about the show.

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And then your fans will want to tune in and watch the show and we can plaster your face all over the

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_06]: commercials. And I don't know, I think there's something there. I don't know. So I think this is

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_06]: extra tinfoily. I first, I don't think that John enjoyed being the first boot. I don't think this

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_06]: was like a situation like another political figure. Are you a big brother? Well, obviously.

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So I was going to say, you know, a Scaramucci who was, you know, allegedly like a person,

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_06]: wasn't a real player. He was a twist. But, you know, if John like went to the show,

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_06]: came in for three days and then like, Oh, like I have my, my ulcer. I have to leave. You know?

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that that might be different. He seemed like that he was concerned about like that people

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_06]: were going to give him crap for this. I mean, he stayed at Ponderosa the whole time for,

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_06]: you know just for the free vacation. He's a wealthy guy. He doesn't need a free vacation

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_06]: to Fiji to sit at Ponderosa for 23 days. So I don't think that it would necessarily have been

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_08]: a John Lovett as a production plan. Yeah. I do say it in jest. Like,

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_06]: just like, I don't think Angela is a plant. Well, I buy Angela as a plant more than that

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_08]: makes more sense than this one. Yeah. But I do. I don't know if you've listened to Tyson's podcast

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_08]: from this episode yet, but I did agree with him. Like what he was saying, like I just had Hannah

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Rose on. Yes. And what do you say? I really hated John going into this season and I'm glad that he

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_08]: went home first because I really felt like they're going to absolutely shove him down our throat.

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Tyson didn't like him? Yeah. Well, he said that like, he felt like he had just seen way too much

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: of them in the commercials and so he was put off by them. Nothing against John. I thought he was

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_08]: great on the show. He had kind of turned me around in a two hour episode, but I was really worried

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_08]: going in that they were going to shove him down our throats. Yeah. I do think that we would have

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_06]: gotten a lot of John Lovett had he stuck around, but it's not the case. But okay. Anyways, I'll

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_06]: let you go. Thanks for taking my call, Rob. Thanks. All right. Take care. Bye.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_06]: All right. Let me say hi to Ethan. Ethan, how have you been? Great. 47, 40 several.

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_14]: 47. How are you? We're back. Yeah, let's do it. We're back. The Mets are back.

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_14]: The Mets are back and that Jeff, all that talk about the Mets and Mish Bukai, I felt like I

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_14]: was looking into my future. Yes. What a lovely conversation. Yeah. Okay. Well get the router in

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_14]: the backyard. Yeah. Also that looked great. Yeah. I liked John. I was bummed he was gone.

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_14]: I definitely don't think it was a plan from just listening. No, I mean, I definitely,

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that that was like ingest. But yeah, he seemed like he really wanted it. And I do

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_06]: think that if you're a notable person and you are willing to go play survivor, they will put

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_14]: you on the show. Yeah, I don't doubt that at all. I do agree that like that's a lot of free

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_14]: cross publicity, which I'm sure they were thrilled to do. And I think they would do that for any

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_14]: celebrity who wanted to be on because I mean, I heard more about it. Obviously it's election

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: season. So like, you know, I think it was a win-win for John to go out and like, I don't

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_06]: know necessarily like, you know, if, you know, John is getting booked on like a ton of other

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_06]: shows, like as a solo, like maybe with the all the pod save America guys. But I don't know,

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_14]: like as a solo act, I just like in my Venn diagram of friends who like survivor and friends who like

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_14]: a pod save America, I guess there wasn't a ton in the middle. And I heard from all of the pod

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_14]: save people like, oh my God, you excited about this? It's like, I'm actually very excited.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_14]: So yeah, I thought it was great. And I agree. I think one of the other callers said, you know,

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_14]: not a ton, not a huge strategy episode. I think the premier is usually more like a vibes episode.

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_14]: And look, obviously some dark moments in the first one, but like overall, like the vibes were

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_14]: good. It was like, there's some really kooky parts. It seemed fun. I'm just really excited.

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's going to be a very good season. Yeah. They do a good job of like, okay,

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_06]: introducing you to all the people that are there and then explaining why the first person went

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_06]: home. I think that that's basically the job in the premiere. Yeah. And like, I think Steven

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_14]: had a good point about like, you're getting good characterization now they've kind of figured out

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_14]: how to like interweave, like the random side quests with like instructing you about the people

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_14]: doing them and the people around them. So yeah, I just like put the danger back in dangerous fun.

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. I, that I really did think he was going to take a nosedive, uh, trying to game,

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_14]: trying to get down that mountain. He did not. I think you're talking about Rome in the well.

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess the question is for me, I don't know how deep the well is. Like, I feel like, oh,

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_06]: well that's gotta be like 30 feet down. That was what I figured. But then like,

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know, like there was like a vantage point where you could tell like how far his arm was

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_14]: going before like his hair was getting wet and just didn't look that deep. But also, yeah,

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_14]: that was crazy. I cannot believe they're gonna let the people drink his you guys talked about

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_14]: this. That's Rome water. That's not for me. Yeah. So yeah, not great. Yeah, I just super excited.

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_14]: I'm super excited about the live show. Oh, and I gotta say no couple people have brought yes.

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_14]: My wife like elbowed me. I was like, like, uh, giggling like a small child at the, uh,

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_14]: Rob has a podcast named drop on the show. What an amazing moment. I couldn't believe that. That was

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_06]: so cool. It was great. I loved it. And I'm glad that so many other people were able to, uh, get

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_06]: a kick out of it too. Uh, it was a real, a fun, a fun night for sure. Yeah. Uh, it was amazing.

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah. Um, yeah. Excited for the live. I know you've been on a very long wrap up. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I was gonna say that. I know you brought up the live event and I don't think I'm allowed to

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_06]: reveal any details yet, but we are planning a patron meetup for the Tuesday night. Also. I

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_06]: know it's a, you know, not everybody can get out two nights in a row, but if you can, especially

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_06]: if you traveled into town, uh, we are planning a meetup for a Tuesday night and should be, uh, uh,

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_06]: no separate ticket required. Uh, as long as we're not, uh, I'll let Sam give me the details later.

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, but no ticket, uh, that it's just, but it's a patron only event. Okay. All right. Um,

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_06]: very exciting. He said, don't give out the details. It's not for it's a patron only event.

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_14]: I read the chat. I didn't know what I was supposed to say or not, but I don't have any of the

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_14]: details, so I can't give anything out. So yeah. Okay. Um, yeah. Do you think we'll see Linda

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Oregon this year or is that it? You know what? Honestly, I have not followed his injury, uh,

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, uh, news close enough to be able to tell you there is no news. I just, it's like,

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_14]: yeah, it's a back. It doesn't seem good. Doesn't sound good. I know, but they've been,

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_14]: they've been so hot piping. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Have a great night. Take care of it. Bye.

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Let's say hello to, uh, Matt. Hey Matt, how are you? Hey Rob, how's it going? Going great.

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_18]: Okay. Good. And is this another backyard? Yeah, uh, I'm in my backyard just finishing up some

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_18]: work. So cool. I had to work out. Nice. Not too far from teeny. Actually. I live about 20 minutes

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_06]: from Manahawken. Okay. In New Jersey. Now do you wear scarecrow clothes? We do not wear scarecrow

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_18]: clothes in New Jersey. No. So she was right on that. Okay, cool. So what's going on that?

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_18]: So really I wanted to talk about, you know, I feel like survivor seasons to quote George Lucas.

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_18]: They're like poetry. They rhyme. They rhyme. Okay, good. So I was seeing Rachel and I was

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_18]: actually seeing a lot of Ellie and Rachel. Okay. So I didn't know, you know, what's your thoughts

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_06]: on that? Well, I had been comparing that yellow tribe to that, you know, Gabler Owen tribe a lot.

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So it is interesting that we didn't see Andy completely throw Rachel under the bus yet.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yet. But do you think that maybe this could be a situation at the merge of that? You know,

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Andy gets to merge. Victoria is like, I tried to talk to her the first night and then in the

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_18]: middle of that she wouldn't help me. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. And I was like,

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_18]: you know, by throwing Rachel's name out, he might be throwing Rachel's name out.

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Wow. But John Lovett and Mariah are not the same. Both may be like, did they do anything wrong?

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we could say. But I do think that there is something there.

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_18]: There's a Sam and a Sammy. Sure. Both were yellow.

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_18]: Both were yellow. There's a lot of similarities. And then the other thing. So I know that people

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_18]: brought up already that Andy reminded them of Bhanu. So my thought was considering 46 was so

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_18]: fresh in their head, how did they not vote out Andy after he went crazy on them, seeing how

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_18]: Bhanu threw his whole tribe under the bus and not too long after?

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_06]: That's fair. I just think that they saw like how strong Andy is. And we did not get to see so much

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_06]: of the challenge. So how much was Andy the MVP in any way of getting that boat up to the shore

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_06]: or anything like that? Like, you know, we're just like that. The challenge was just so chopped up

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_06]: that we don't really know, you know, how much of Andy's muscle even got them to the point where,

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, how much did John cost them in the tribe? You know, did John help tip the boat?

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. So these are good questions for the rest of the yellow tribe.

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_18]: Absolutely. Well, that's all I have for you, Rob.

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_06]: All right, Matt. Nice to talk to you. OK. All right. Take care. Bye. All right. Let's say hello to

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Erica. Hi, Erica. Hold on, Erica. You're muted. And you're back.

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm here. How are you?

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_09]: It's nice to talk to you again.

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Nice to talk to you. What's going on?

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'm coming to the live show. I convinced my husband that he can go to big snow in the

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Meadowlands while I am watching my survivor, you know, having my survivor fix. So I'm excited.

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_06]: That's fine. Where are you coming in from?

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_09]: Maryland.

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Cool. All right.

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_09]: So it's not that far.

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. It'll be a fun show.

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Super excited. Very, very excited. What else was I here to talk about? The premiere.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_09]: It was amazing, right?

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Great show for sure. Fun two hours. Can't wait for next Wednesday.

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. And I'm super excited. The last two years, I've really gotten into the community and seen a

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_09]: lot of things. Over the summer, I watched your deep dive on Tony with Tony. And then I watched

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Winners at War. And then I put it all together. I saw how he did it. If he was telling you the

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_09]: truth, that man is brilliant.

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I've never gone back and rewatched that. But yeah, I mean, why would he lie?

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Why would he make it up?

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know. I mean, it all fit together. It was really great. But the other thing I was going to

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Joey was on not long ago, right?

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_09]: The college student. Yeah. I tried to play a game of blood on the clock tower.

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. Yes.

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. Grace leader was.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. How was that?

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_09]: They made me the drunk.

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. Oh, so I gave everybody all kinds of bad information. So yeah, but it was.

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_06]: But you don't know. You don't know anything like you're like there. You're going off of what,

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_06]: especially if you don't if you have never played before.

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. And poor Joey hadn't either. And I'm giving him bad information. I'm like,

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_09]: I know this to be true. And he was believing me.

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a hard game when you have all the right information.

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_09]: I know. Anyway, back to the premiere. I know you've been on here for a long time.

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_09]: Asia, I'm going to tell you what. And I don't know if I'm differentiating what I see as her

[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_09]: as a podcaster, but you know what she's going to do with these guys?

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_09]: She's going to be that person. That's the calming influence. And I don't know if anybody's really

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_09]: used that word, but everybody's got one of those people in their lives that when you get around

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_06]: instantly, you're like, OK, I could tell you this about Asia that as somebody who,

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, has gotten to work with her as a collaborator. Asia is no drama. And like this

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_06]: is the person in the friend group that, you know, isn't the person who ever gets like busted with

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_06]: like, oh, here's the receipts of you were talking crap about this person. She's just the person

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_06]: that everybody likes and is no drama and is not stirring the pot. And everybody just feels very

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_06]: at ease and very comfortable with her. And, you know, that's how it is with the podcasters in Asia.

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm sure the listeners feel that way. I've never gotten one complaint

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_06]: in four years. Nobody's ever been like, you know who said something I didn't like? Asia.

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, the people really do that. They send them.

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes. Yeah, that I do. You know, sometimes the calls come from inside the house. Yeah.

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Not Nicole. Not Nicole. But we've never had one personality conflict ever with Asia.

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_09]: That and you know what? She's she's going to do great because of it. And I don't know if I'm

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_09]: kind of reading into the times I've seen her on the podcast and like translating that to the screen.

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. Well, no, that's the other guy.

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. But this is better than the glue person. This is like, you know, the quiet leader.

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. The one that makes everything OK. That's what she is to me anyway. Also,

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Nicole is the most hilarious person ever. Yes. What do you think?

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_06]: What did she do? Yeah. She I mean, look, you get her on the right day, Erica.

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I've listened to a ton of them. It's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. She needs her own podcast.

[01:42:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. But I don't think she really likes to do it. You know, I think that like I bring her

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_06]: to the podcast and and maybe that's part of her charm with it. Because I think that a lot of

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_06]: times she's like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_06]: be on a podcast right now. I think, yeah, but we have to. We said, you know, so it's not by

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_06]: like she's doing it just to hear her own voice. And I will say that she still

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_06]: is struggling with her mouth injury. I'm sorry to hear that. OK, one last thing.

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, go Jets. Although I didn't realize you were. Yeah, I'm a Ravens fan.

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. Chappelle. Why is he a Ravens fan? He likes purple.

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_06]: That's why he's a Ravens fan. I think that's that was the origin story. Yeah.

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, OK. Yeah. But you guys should have never gotten rid of Flacco. You might.

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. You might be. You're doing fine. You're doing fine. Yeah. Yeah. And if Flacco was doing

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_06]: good with us, we wouldn't have gotten rid of him. All right. Well, then he went to the Browns and

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_06]: took him to the playoff. Yeah. He looked like he didn't want to be playing football when he

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_09]: was on the Jets. He looked like that when he won the Super Bowl. Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. OK.

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_09]: And then my last thing this season, and I don't know if you recognize it, but I do because I'm

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_09]: from the mid-Atlantic area, Maryland. There's a bunch of players. So you have the girl. What's

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_09]: her name? Sierra, the pageant girl. And I don't this isn't going out to every people are going

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_09]: to watch this, right? I'm telling you, she's not the most intellectual person on the cast.

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_06]: What what gives you that impression? Well, she's not. She's your Danielle.

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_09]: What's her name from? DeLorenzo. Yeah. Yes. From our from a couple of seasons. Yes. Yes. She just

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_09]: wants to win things. That's why she was all on board kicking off, John. These are just my crazy

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_06]: thoughts. You can think whatever it's first impressions like you don't like you're not like,

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_09]: hey, I know Sierra. Let me tell you about her. No, but I can. Well, I can tell you about Gabe

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_09]: a little. Oh, why? Because he's also a Baltimore person. Yeah, he is a Baltimore person. And if

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_09]: you're from the area, I live like forty five minutes north of Baltimore in the burbs or

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_09]: whatever. But you know what's going on in the city. The campaign that he was the comms director for.

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. Was for a mayor, mayoral candidate. And I'm not going to say her name, but she was thrown out

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_09]: of office and run out of office because she was stealing from the city. Oh, OK. So like the fact

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_06]: that let me let me have some of this tea. Oh, oh, it's hot. It's hot. Oh, I just burned my mouth

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_09]: like Nicole. Well, he's going to do some devious stuff, I think. OK, because he likes Russell

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_09]: Hans and he would join that. And he's probably robbed the city. What are you doing? It's like

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Mary and Barry. It's like the same equivalent. I know you probably get the reference on that.

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_06]: The D.C. mayor. Well, I think it wasn't he famous that he was for his using drugs. Right.

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know that he's like that. I remember that was for office again and thought that

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_09]: people would vote for him and they did the Dodos. But anyway, his campaign lost. Just so you know,

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_06]: we have a different camp and the candidate that Gabe support was in office but then resigned.

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_09]: No, she ran again after being thrown out and indicted for stealing from the city. Yeah. OK.

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_09]: And he joined her campaign, her election camp. Yeah. After knowing all this. Well,

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe it didn't sound like that. Maybe he had background in that. So maybe

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_06]: she was like, I'll take whoever I can get. This guy's on the radio.

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_09]: OK, well, that's fine. But like, would you join that? I'm I would. I don't know. Yeah,

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I'm suited for that. Yeah. OK. All right. And thank you for sharing.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_09]: No one else. Allegedly. I'm sorry about that, but TK, I think he's going to do phenomenally.

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And then that's all I have. OK. All right. Look, Erica, I like the spicy takes. OK.

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_06]: OK. Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care. Take care. Bye bye.

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: All right. Let me say hello to how about Stefan is here. How you been?

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, it's nice to see you. Nice to see you too. What is sure is from

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_02]: NYC Game Changers Game Changers Live Show. Yes, I am totally decked out today. So I just wanted

[01:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to celebrate all of your accomplishments. It's been a great week, I will say.

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's nice to be back with Survivor. Yeah, same. This premiere was lit.

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And as you know, I'm a I'm a therapist. IRL been practicing for about two years. So

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: anytime something like this happens, my antennas definitely go off. OK. So with Andy.

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. With Andy, all I can say is, like, you know, I don't diagnose people unless they're

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: my client and I've had time with them one on one. But what I can say is that Andy had a

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: fight or flight response. And when we get into that emotional trauma response, sort of

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: what we call the reptilian brain, it's like we do regress to former versions of ourselves and we

[01:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: rely on coping skills that aren't necessarily the most healthy that we had once used to get

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: through situations before. Yeah. So I think that's what was happening with him. That

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_06]: resonate makes sense with you. I mean, it certainly makes sense that I hadn't heard it put that way.

[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, makes sense to me. Yeah. And like, you know, and you've been through this experience

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: before being a player yourself. But like that, of course, the environment strips you of all of your

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: resources and brings out the truth of who you are. That's kind of why I watch the show from

[01:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: first place is for that aspect of it. And yeah, it was very interesting, also very relatable,

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: just like the way that he was describing just like personally for me. And I just couldn't believe the

[01:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: meltdown on the mat. That was like I was like in total shock that that happened. It was a wild

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_06]: circumstance because it was especially in front of all of the tribes. Like, I feel like that we,

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_06]: uh, you know, could see a moment like that. I feel like even in like survivor Philippines,

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_06]: like Russell Swan, I feel like had like something similar. But I think it was at the point where

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the other tribes were. I don't remember if they were gone or not in front of the other

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_06]: tribes. I have to go back and look at that. Maybe it was both. Yeah. But another moment I remember

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: from the mat was from Second Chance with Tasha and Jeff. Yeah. Another Matt Meltdown. Very

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting stuff. But yeah, I'm you know, I've been a little bit sour on the show, but this I

[01:49:53] [SPEAKER_02]: don't know. There's something about this cast in the premiere that has kind of sparked a little

[01:49:58] [SPEAKER_02]: bit of hope for me personally. And I loved all the preseason content. And I also I have a little bit

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: of a hot take for you. OK, I don't think that there's any career that is threatening on the show.

[01:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: What would be the most threatening career? Well, I think by the data, I would say that,

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, looking at like players like Sarah and Tony who were cops and like also Derek on Big

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Brother, it seems like like law enforcement has been a successful career. But I mean,

[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: we've seen everything across the board. And I just think that people are focusing way too much

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_02]: on career when I think that Survivor is more about skills that have, you know, may have nothing to do

[01:50:49] [SPEAKER_06]: with your career and like a new era. No reason to, you know, particularly be freaked out about any

[01:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: one career. Yeah, I mean, I can I can see people making arguments for that, but maybe at first

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: when you're there, if like you're if you're coming on strong about your career, people might,

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, take that in a different way. But like when you're out there, it seems like

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: you're stripped down to like the bare essentials of who you are and like what you rely on the most.

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And that those skills come from all sorts of life experiences that don't have anything to do with

[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_06]: your job, in my opinion. Yeah. So thank you to Josh who fact checks that Russell Swan's moment was in

[01:51:30] [SPEAKER_06]: front of the entire cast. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like right after they lose the

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: challenge. So that makes sense. Yeah, totally makes sense. Yeah. But I wish I could come to the

[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: New York show. I won't be there, but I will be there in spirits. OK. All right. Well,

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it'll be as exciting as the one that you were at where Mike Bloom pointed at

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Malcolm getting voted out of the tribe. I mean, that was an all time high. I was right there. I was like, right.

[01:52:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I saw it happen. Yeah. OK. Yes. All right. Then. All right. Thank you so much, Stefan. OK. See you.

[01:52:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Bye. OK. Then let's go to Elisa. Are you there? Let me see. Elisa. Yes. Yes. I am here.

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I am driving into work right now. Well, actually, I just finished. I was working out like half of

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_11]: this podcast and then now I'm driving in. OK. Yes. How's everything going? But everything's

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_11]: going great. I was low key hoping because I called in late anyways. I think I called in like 40

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_11]: minutes ago, but I was also hoping, man, I wonder if I could finish this workout before Rob calls on

[01:52:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and I did. So it all worked out. OK, good. Well, glad it worked out. So what's going on, Elisa?

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_11]: I am calling and I'm just I have a couple of things that I could talk about. I only want to

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_11]: talk about one thing, but I think the main thing I want to talk about has anyone talked about Rachel

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_06]: yet on this episode? A little bit. Not that much. Yes. OK. I. Bobby is like waving his hands

[01:53:22] [SPEAKER_06]: frantically. Bobby, you want to talk about Rachel also? Yes, they do. OK, here let me get a look at

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_11]: a Lisa first. You get it. I get it. I get it. I get it, Bobby. OK. I think Rachel is in a very

[01:53:37] [SPEAKER_11]: unlucky position right now. And I don't know what to think about how she survives in this game

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_11]: because of because of Andy still being in the game, to be honest. But I don't think that's

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_15]: Rachel's fault either. I do. I'm going to. I am. I'm so mad at Rachel because we talk about sparkly

[01:54:01] [SPEAKER_15]: people. The opposite of a sparkly person is a prickly person, I think. Yes. OK. It's prickly.

[01:54:09] [SPEAKER_15]: You know, she's smart. Like she not only that, but she did the puzzle that Gala wins, right?

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_15]: The comeback, your first loss. It is like the first thing everyone's seeing is that, oh, that

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_15]: girl's good at puzzles. Right. So we're all pointing and looking at her, seeing that she

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_15]: can just say yes to vote out the famous podcaster, to vote out the speechwriter, to vote out your

[01:54:31] [SPEAKER_15]: person that you're going to need to throw under the bus later was so stupid. And I will say that

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_15]: to her face openly because I know she's OK, because claiming Kellen Bechtel, she's claiming

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_06]: these people who we know. Is it just like blood on the clock that you can claim? Former survivors?

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_15]: No. He said that that's like who I know. But it's like to claim Kellen is to really line

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_06]: yourself up. The way you're describing it is like that she is she's claiming washerwoman. Really?

[01:55:06] [SPEAKER_15]: Well, because it's like if I were to be like, I relate to Sophie Clark because I do. No one

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_15]: sees that. You don't see that right now. This isn't how Sophie acts yet. But thank you. Yes.

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_15]: Here's Lisa. That would be like a red flag. And so when people do things that aren't expected,

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_15]: that's when it's like, oh. And so when Andy, who was your sad boy that she was ready to like kind

[01:55:32] [SPEAKER_15]: of pull along all of a sudden is is is talking to other tribes who they did so good. Tiana just

[01:55:40] [SPEAKER_11]: being like, don't talk. That's I love that. I love when she did that, by the way, because I'm

[01:55:47] [SPEAKER_11]: because Tiana is one of my favorite people from the preseason and I'm really rooting for her.

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I am. How do you feel about all this? You agree with what Bobby is saying?

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I think that. OK, so I'm just put just if if I'm Rachel's position, I'm only speaking in terms

[01:56:04] [SPEAKER_11]: of being in Rachel's position. I think the person you vote out is Andy, because one,

[01:56:11] [SPEAKER_11]: you have an association now with Andy where Andy kind of pulled you into his alliance.

[01:56:17] [SPEAKER_11]: We hear these confessionals that Rachel may not have necessarily wanted to be tied to this

[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_11]: alliance. So the easy out for Rachel in this situation is to vote Andy out. But now that Andy's

[01:56:30] [SPEAKER_11]: in, I think that there there might be some expectation of their relationship that I that

[01:56:38] [SPEAKER_15]: I don't think that Rachel thought through. Yes, because when John talked about in interviews,

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_15]: it seems like there were actually three pairs and Andy was his right. And he was bummed about that.

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_15]: But now that Andy's there, Andy's the crazy one that everyone knows that they need to scoop if

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_15]: they want to drag. And everyone's going to think Rachel can do it the best. Rachel's able to do

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_15]: that because he wanted her to do it day one. And I say this as an Andy. I would be sobbing looking

[01:57:08] [SPEAKER_15]: for my calm. I what I played an allergy. Yes, it is. I still cried on a hill like Andy and was like,

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_15]: please keep me. And because like I bonnowed on my knees, like at the same time,

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_15]: Monty was on his knees to Tiffany. My girl was named Nicole. And I was like, please save me.

[01:57:25] [SPEAKER_15]: I love you. I'll do anything. I just want to survive one vote. And they were smart enough

[01:57:29] [SPEAKER_15]: to see that if you keep the crazy around, someone will think that they can use you.

[01:57:34] [SPEAKER_15]: It's like I want I presented myself. I'm a weapon. Use me. Point me. Point me in a direction so I can

[01:57:39] [SPEAKER_06]: People can't help but to take that like, oh, like, oh, I can use something.

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_15]: Your final three is going to be the three flops because you Rachel smart girl.

[01:57:50] [SPEAKER_15]: I'm not afraid of you anymore. I could use you. Yeah. And it's just like, do you want a Xander

[01:57:57] [SPEAKER_15]: in the game? It probably would have been better for Ricardo Xander left early. Like,

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_15]: I just think like you have to eventually cut from the bottom. And I think there's a lot of like,

[01:58:07] [SPEAKER_15]: I call it low self-esteem players. I don't think that's good terms, but it's like they don't think

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_15]: they can win unless they're next to you. I'm a wackadoodle. I can't wait. Like the James Jones

[01:58:18] [SPEAKER_15]: counter argument is like, I can be anyone at any time. I will because that's what the game is. And

[01:58:24] [SPEAKER_15]: I'm I'm kind of more you don't get to choose who you're next to. So don't pick people that are

[01:58:30] [SPEAKER_15]: other people want to sit next to you. That's more dangerous than anything.

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Alisa, I just want to make sure this, this, we started with you. I want to make sure that,

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_06]: that this is also that your, your opinion on this is heard.

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_11]: No, yeah. I think Bobby and I in general agree on the opinion that she, I don't think she made

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_11]: the correct move in her point of view. Like just that, just knowing this whole situation,

[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_11]: I honestly, I don't know, Bobby and Rob, I don't think she makes the merge in my opinion because

[01:59:02] [SPEAKER_15]: of this. I would want Andy who came up to me with a plan with John and Sierra that if I was Sam,

[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_15]: who seems to be the decision maker, I would never as Rachel. I don't know. I just don't,

[01:59:17] [SPEAKER_15]: I don't see all. I don't know if I've seen the full picture that she's seeing. Cause I,

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_15]: I, and I'm, I'm seeing this as a person who probably also on a good day is John. Love it.

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_15]: You know what I mean? Like I don't relate to both of these people on the bottom on this yellow tribe,

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_15]: but I would keep John because he's such an easy hook. Like later, like, do you know,

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_06]: he's a millionaire hook? You're like, let's just, but maybe I that they're a little bit more to John

[01:59:43] [SPEAKER_15]: as a flip candidate. Is that possible? Sure. Great. That's a great thing to sell to the third

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_15]: tribe that you merge with is that he's going to flip to them. He likes them more than you.

[01:59:55] [SPEAKER_15]: Like you can lie. Yeah. Andy who publicly did something can't, what are we going to say about

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_15]: Andy? That hasn't already been said he's safe now. Like it's going to be, it's going to be really

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_11]: interesting when both tribes see who God voted out and there's, and they realized Andy was not

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_15]: the person that I'm meeting you for the second time. I did not vote out that crazy guy. Am I an

[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_15]: over player or am I, did he have an idol? Like now you think that the five of us are strategic or

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_15]: the four of us are like masterminds are doing big picture moves. And I, that's the last thing I want

[02:00:32] [SPEAKER_15]: 12 new people that I don't know to think about me. And so I just don't get it. I don't get it.

[02:00:41] [SPEAKER_15]: And I say that with affection towards Andy and I wasn't thinking about it this way. You two put

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Rachel in the cross. I thought she had a good first episode. I was like, Oh,

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_15]: no, she had a good first episode because that's what they do to seventh placers.

[02:01:00] [SPEAKER_15]: You can't, you have to sell that she's a threat cause she's going early emerge the best.

[02:01:05] [SPEAKER_15]: Like I cannot see it. I cannot for Rachel now. I don't see it. And I want it because I'm such a

[02:01:12] [SPEAKER_11]: stand. Like I want, but I will say Rob, I can't see it either, but I love being proven wrong.

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Like, you know, it is all that survivors about doing these things about like, listen, like John

[02:01:27] [SPEAKER_06]: likely podcasts. Like, uh, I remember I listened to that podcast one time and they were like,

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_06]: don't worry. Like when this thing is not going to happen. Like, okay, everybody. Oh yeah. Okay.

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Wet the bed. All right, sure. Uh, don't worry about anything. Uh, everything's fine. And then,

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_06]: and, but then, and that wasn't fun. I think we got it wrong. Um, but when I'm wrong, I think

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_15]: that's fun. I like to be wrong. I see a game changers energy from this cast. I see us cutting

[02:01:58] [SPEAKER_15]: from the top. I see a fan favorite, my favorite eyebrows on survivor. Um, I can't think of her

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_15]: Sierra. Don Tom, the note left wrong last name somewhere. But, um, I see that in Rachel. I see

[02:02:11] [SPEAKER_15]: like her and Brad, like that. And like Brad being Sam. And I really, I don't know. I do agree that

[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_15]: Sam got a lot of confessionals out of nowhere. Yeah. And I'm nervous. That's my anti-art type.

[02:02:24] [SPEAKER_15]: So that's like the, Oh, all right. But I don't know. All right. Lisa, anything else? Are you at

[02:02:31] [SPEAKER_06]: work yet? Oh, well, he's going to be frozen. She's just really intensely. Yeah. How was the parade

[02:02:38] [SPEAKER_15]: Bobby? Um, I got pulled to a harder role today and it was quite hot, but I can't believe I made

[02:02:45] [SPEAKER_15]: this. You're like, Oh, why do you do this at three? What do you think we're going to be done

[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_15]: in 10 minutes? Well, well, okay. To be honest, our parades are at two. They moved the three

[02:02:54] [SPEAKER_15]: o'clock group that moved, but that doesn't, I'll be here for a minute. Okay. All right.

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_15]: Bobby, thanks so much. Talk to you soon. Okay. So soft. Yeah. Aren't you hot in Florida in a

[02:03:07] [SPEAKER_15]: sweatshirt? Well, I'm anemic. I'm always cold. I will sit on my porch in this, to be honest. And

[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_15]: so, but we love, and I'm excited for a new cycle. I I'm watching this one with a much more

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_15]: critical eye. I feel like I watched 45, 46 very empathetically. No, you're new. You're a spicy

[02:03:26] [SPEAKER_15]: Bobby now. I don't think I'm being spicy. I don't think spicy. I think so. Well, there's some

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_15]: heat, but I don't think it's spiteful. I I'm rooting for her. There's no one I'm rooting

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_15]: against. I think dropping the box down the cliff was the funniest. It's a good moment.

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Great. All right, Bobby. Talk to you soon. Bye. Okay. And then I've got one more person on hold.

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It's Johnny. Hi, Johnny. How are you? I'm doing well. How about you doing great,

[02:03:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Johnny? This has been a very fun episode. I just got home from work, so honestly,

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_13]: I missed most of it, but I can't wait to listen to that. Well, tell me what your question is,

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_13]: and I'll tell you if we answered it already. Honestly, it's about Rachel too, and now I feel

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_06]: like I'm just piling on. Oh, no, perfect. That's perfect. Yeah. We're pi- so you're anti- you're,

[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to say anti-Rachel because I don't want to say anti- I like her. Rachel seems like

[02:04:12] [SPEAKER_06]: a super fan that, uh, I don't think anybody's anti-Rachel, but you think that she made,

[02:04:16] [SPEAKER_06]: she made a strategic error in this episode. I do. I do, because I feel like she really

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_13]: alienated Andy a lot in the episode and then kept him, which I don't agree with. Like, I feel like

[02:04:32] [SPEAKER_13]: he left their interaction at the camp feeling very not comforted at all by what she did.

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah. And then at Tribal,

[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_13]: she's listing the reasons why he might be a liability going down the road, which he's

[02:04:45] [SPEAKER_13]: already paranoid about. He's already clearly blown up about this, and then she keeps him.

[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think that she might have, like, um, was it her decision? Because the way I could see

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_06]: it happening was that, okay, we heard that Sierra and Sam wanted to keep Andy, whereas Anika and

[02:05:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Rachel were more likely to want to keep John, who was more, uh, in their opinion, the rational

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_06]: thinker that they could work with. But then if it gets to Anika, that John is trying to put the

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: vote on Anika and Anika becomes like, all right, well, we're sort of like deadlocked. Is it Andy or

[02:05:22] [SPEAKER_06]: John? He said my name. All right. Uh, let's go with, let's keep Andy. And so Rachel might have

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_06]: just been outvoted. Um, so was it, was it her call or was she sort of just like out, outvoted?

[02:05:39] [SPEAKER_13]: No, I agree. My thing is more like I'm all for the fake out at tribal, give some vague, like,

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_13]: is it tribe strength or is it trust? Something like that. But she like went specific into why

[02:05:51] [SPEAKER_13]: Andy's a liability. And she's like, oh, if he goes on a journey, like clearly we can't trust him

[02:05:55] [SPEAKER_13]: because he blows up. And I was like, well, don't make the paranoid guy. Like don't give him

[02:05:59] [SPEAKER_13]: concrete reasons why you're scared of him. Like now he's just going to spiral more. So to me,

[02:06:05] [SPEAKER_13]: I was like, yeah, I don't know if you needed to say that. Yeah. It's a fair point. Okay.

[02:06:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know. Are you as down on Rachel as Bobby and Alisa?

[02:06:20] [SPEAKER_13]: As down. And I really like her, but I didn't, I was surprised. That's all I got.

[02:06:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Bobby is like staring into the camera now giving me like a Larry David, like a side eye.

[02:06:36] [SPEAKER_13]: I know. I hope he doesn't hate everything I said.

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. I don't think so. I think he's on the same page. It's just different degrees. All

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_13]: right, Johnny, anything else going on today? No, that was all for me. I'm glad that I made the,

[02:06:47] [SPEAKER_13]: you made it. I thought I was the last person. Wow.

[02:06:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. All right, Johnny. Thank you so much. Okay. Nice talking to you.

[02:06:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Take care. Bye. Bye.

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