Todd Herzog Talks Survivor 48 Ep 4

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[00:01:22] Hey, everybody. What's going on? Rob here. And how lucky are we here today on the old school interview here for week four to be joined by, of course, the great winner of Survivor China, Todd Herzog. Todd, how are you? Hello. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. I'm doing great. Thank you. I'm super excited to be back on our podcast because it's been years. Yeah. We had the talking

[00:01:48] with T-Bird that we did a while back, but we haven't gotten to talk Survivor like this in a minute. So I'm really excited to get to hear what you're thinking about everything that's going on. But tell me about what's everything that's going on behind you, Todd. This is incredible. This is so I, for those of you who do not know, I make custom Funko Pops, like little toys, bobbleheads for a living. So my workshop, my office is a bunch of tiny little

[00:02:18] things and paints and brushes and wood pieces. It's just a little toy shop. So yeah, I have my Todd made Rob Bob or sorry, pop figure here. My kids, they love these, that they want this. And I said, no, you can't have it. This is part of this is a dad's. But yeah, they are like, can we go, can we buy this pop, pop figure on a online? I mean, they're now they're

[00:02:46] buying all, they're wasting all the money on Amazon that they're buying like these, like, like, Oh, I need this, this Pokemon. Exactly. Yes. I mean, like that's, that's how it started for me as I've collected some, because I'm that kind of a person. I collect this guy from FNAF. Do you know FNAF, Todd? Five Nights at Freddy's? Yes. Why do we need the fricking monsters from FNAF pop

[00:03:15] figure? Because they need all of them. You can't have an incomplete collection, you know? I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, you do incredible figure. I see them, you know, pop up all the time. No pun intended. And Todd, have you been making pop figures about Survivor 48

[00:03:36] yet? Yeah. Okay. So for 48, I have made Kevin so far. He ordered one. And then we have Shaheen ordered one and Justin has ordered some. Yeah. Now, do you ever get like a bunch of them and then play with them? Like, like, Hey, what are you doing? I don't want to tell you what I do in my free time. Cause I would have fun if I had like the whole collection of like... I do have fun with them.

[00:04:03] I don't think I played, play Barbies with them, but I do have a good time. Why do you have to still call it play Barbies with them? Can it be I'm playing Survivor, Todd? Playing Survivor and voting someone out making my own little tribes. Yeah. I actually don't own any Survivor ones myself, which is crazy. Really? So you don't keep any that you've made for yourself? I do, but I make not Survivor people for myself. Yeah. Have you ever been tempted to make somebody

[00:04:31] like, Hey, cause you're such a big fan of the show and student of the game. Is it, is it like a little bit that you've seen how the sausage is made that you don't have a favorite one that you would want to keep? I mean, I don't, I have a Jeff Probst pop that I made for myself. Yeah. So there's that. And then like, so I have all the hosts, like I have Phil from amazing race and I have JLP from Australian Survivor. Yeah. Like that's fun for me, but I don't, you know, these are a lot of these

[00:04:58] people are my friends and I guess, I guess it's not weird to have your friend as a pop, but like, I also don't want to make a pop of somebody and be like, this is for me. Yeah. I guess so. That would be, people would get creeped out if it was like, I made it to all of you and I'm keeping it at my house. I didn't think of that one. Yeah. But I mean, like, I guess if I was really found someone new that I was like super obsessed with, but even still, I'd probably just message them and say hello.

[00:05:28] So instead I make myself really weird ones. Like I made that angler fish that was recently found like that I made into a pop for myself. What angler fish that was recently found? The one that swam to the surface. I don't even know about this. This is like a news event. Yes. It was like a huge, you know, those fish that have the, like the crazy jaws and the light. You think I know about fish? It was all over the place. Yeah. I didn't know about this. Are you like, just cause it's in the news? Are you interested in fish?

[00:05:57] No, I'm not interested in fish. It was just in the news and it was really sad story. And it's like, they never go to the surface. Like they live in the bottom part of the ocean. And now we know why. She went to the light and then she died and it was really heartbreaking. So I made that fish for myself. Yeah. What was it about that story that captivated you, that made you want to have that moment? So the fact that my husband just handed it to me. Yes. See? Okay. Wow. I made it. Yes.

[00:06:28] So, um, the fact that I thought that these fish were actually gigantic, but they're like this big. Yeah. I thought it was fascinating and I thought it would make a cool pop and it did. It is a cool pop. Yeah, definitely. It looks like something that could be on, uh, FNAF. I mean, yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong there. Yeah, put it with Freddy Fazbear. Okay. It was like so tiny and cute, but this is, it's terrifying at the same time. Yeah. Okay.

[00:06:55] I'm a window, Rob. Like I'm, I like weird things. You know, I love to know this about you. Okay. Okay. Todd, well, let's talk a little bit about Survivor and, uh, where we're at in this game. This was a very exciting episode here. Just as far as like the new era goes, I know you played in, not only did you play old school, but Survivor China was even like, Hey, this is like a, this is an old school season of we're bringing back. It was like, it was season 15 and they're like, okay, you know what?

[00:07:23] Things are getting too crazy around here. We're doing back to two tribes of eight. That's it. It was very back to basics. Like it was very old school Survivor. And I mean, you know, as a diehard Survivor fan, I was stoked. I was super excited to know that it was just the 16 people, two tribes to start off. And I was ready for twists and whatnot because that's Survivor.

[00:07:46] But like compared to now, like it was, it was a game of how well can you play this game with these people? Now it involves so much luck. It's crazy. Yeah. So how do you feel just generally with the new era? You know, I, I still really enjoy it. Like I have a good time. I try my best not to pick out all of the things that I don't like, because then I find myself just sitting around being like, and it's like, I don't want to talk to people who just sit there and bitch about things all the time. So why would I?

[00:08:15] That's like me. You got to roll with the punches. Like, okay, we've said, like, we said the things that we're like, uh, we don't love, but at some point we just got to move on. Exactly. I watch it for the entertainment value. And these people still play hard and they play, they play really hard because they have no choice because there's twists left and right. They have to figure out if the votes are going to be split. They don't know what's coming next. So they're still playing the game just harder sometimes. Yeah. Okay. So what did you make about, uh, this five person tribal council we saw this week?

[00:08:45] Oh my gosh. Okay. First of all, I have to say it was an excellent game move. Like it was great. They, Camilla and Kyle were so convincing, obviously that they were like, Oh yeah, one of us has got to go. And the other three had no idea that it actually worked. However, I really enjoyed Thomas. I thought it was hilarious. He brought this wit to the show that I've, I feel like we needed

[00:09:09] and now it's gone. Um, which makes me sad, but I have to give them mad props on that move because it was genius. It worked perfectly. Yeah. It was really incredible. This, the, uh, you know, spy craft that it took from Camilla and Kyle to be able to execute on this in a swap where I feel like that I can't remember a time that we've really ever seen two people pull off that move swap and still be

[00:09:37] working together and, uh, get one over on the majority. It was, it was so good. And you, if you say otherwise you're crazy because that took a lot of work. The fact that these three guys didn't even question enough that there could be something else going on is proof that it was great. Yeah. Would this have worked if, uh, James and Aaron would have pulled this off on PG?

[00:10:07] Listen, James can't, James can't lie like that. He can't. He's, he's got no poker face. She then said, Hey, we're, we're, we're actually, uh, we're both on the bottom. No. Yeah. No. The answer to that. No. Yeah. Um, but it was really incredible and I don't know how you felt, but I was really going into this trouble console. I'm like, I have no idea who's going to go home here because I felt

[00:10:35] like that all these people, you know, have gotten a lot as far as the story goes. And I felt like I, uh, didn't really see a world where any of them weren't getting out of this. No, I agree. And, and in a really rare case, it wasn't, I wasn't rooting for someone specific to go home because I really enjoy all five of them. Um, I am really sad about Thomas though, because just that it's, it's weird because like not many people get like, I don't love a lot of shoot,

[00:11:04] like sarcasm like that unless it's done right. And he did it right. I feel like that Thomas has been really celebrated by a lot of the survivor fans in terms of like this, he's doing something that we love. Like it feels like that there was something that was like a throwback about him. Could you put your finger on what it was about Thomas?

[00:11:25] Uh, I mean, I feel like the sarcasm and the humor that he has, he delivers in a way that it sounds like it could be serious, but it is not serious at least from him, but his face doesn't change. Yeah. And then he doesn't say, Oh, I'm joking. He just leaves it. And so you either get it or you don't. Yeah. I feel like that, um, it's also, there's something about him and I feel like that

[00:11:52] you had this too, where that he talks about like, okay, I'm going to throw away the clue or I'm going to, you know, uh, basically like, I'm going to tell everybody that Camilla is lying and it's not from a place of meanness. It's not like that I'm an evil person and this is how I am. It's like, Hey, it's survivor. What do you want from me? I'm like, I'm trying to win here. I understand exactly what you're talking about now. So he was playing the slightly villainous role

[00:12:21] without being the actual villain. And that is something that has been missing from the new era. Yeah. When we do have a villain, they're pretty villain. You don't have like the humorous guy that you want to root for, but you also are like, Oh my gosh, you shouldn't be doing that. And that was Thomas. Yeah. I'm willing to, you know, do whatever it takes to win because I'm here on survivor. I didn't come out here not to do these things, but isn't necessarily like who I am as a person. Like I

[00:12:48] didn't come out here, uh, to be mean to people. Exactly. And yeah, no, that, that has been missing like, I miss a good villain and I miss a good, like semi villain. Like we need that, you know? Yeah. How do you think, uh, the fallout is going to be in this tribe after they get back where, you know, I feel like that we've almost never seen this scenario either in the pre-merge where now you

[00:13:15] have two and two. And if this group goes back to a tribal council, I don't see how this isn't a deadlock unless somebody finds the idol. No, I agree with you. I think, I mean, obviously, um, Joe and Shaheem are not going to be happy about the situation, but I feel like they almost have no choice, but to look at him and be like, yeah, you got us. Yeah. Good job. You got us. But, and, but I think what's really going to be interesting is when they show up at the next

[00:13:41] challenge and everybody's like, wait, what? Because Thomas will be gone. Yeah. And I'm really interested to see how this goes, even if they don't go to tribal council, when they go to the merge. Now, when they tell people of like, Hey, don't trust these two, don't trust Kyle and Camilla. They totally, they, they lied to us. They screwed it over. Like, do you see any world where these four people could potentially work together after this? Or is this just basically like a line has been

[00:14:08] drawn in the sand between the purple tribe and the orange tribe. And you know, the, the rest of the post merge game is going to be about these two sides. The problem is, is the purple tribe is kind of eating at themselves. You know, like, uh, Bianca was on the bottom and she's lost her number one. So she is 100% going to be a free agent because I can't imagine she's just going to jump on board with

[00:14:34] everybody else. And then you have Eva who looks like she's found her, her new best friend to like take care of her right now. And then star who is a wild card. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know if it's going to be purple against orange. I feel like purple might fall apart. Well, Todd, do you think that Eva could be the person who heals the rift between purple and little? Well, hear me out, hear me out,

[00:14:58] Todd. Between, between, uh, like who are her two friends, Joe and now David, uh, David is allies with Kyle and Camilla. And then Joe is ally with Shaheen. And could she be the person who sort of like, uh, like, Hey, like, uh, let's bring it together. Maybe like, uh, possibly because she's going to pick between Joe and David. She's going to go against one of those guys. I don't know if she's

[00:15:26] going to go against them, but I can, I, I feel like the rest of her tribe is going to go against her. Maybe she'll be like, okay, you know what? Kyle is cool. I don't know about Camilla. Yeah. She doesn't like girls. Joe, it's a joke. Just joking. It's just joking. Everybody. JK Eva is great. Actually. I really liked her too. This is a good cast. Yeah, it really is. They did a really good job with everybody because, you know, Todd, I do feel like that they do a very good

[00:15:56] job of finding all of these new people to come and play the show. I mean, not to disparage any of the old casts, but I feel like that there were, you know, a lot of people who were really great players and then a lot of people who were kind of just there. Is that, is that fair to say? I think it's completely fair to say. I mean, it was a whole lot of recruiting back in the day. Yeah. You know, we went through a good chunk of seasons where it was like a whole bunch of people

[00:16:19] who literally had watched maybe one season of Survivor on DVD and that's it. So they get into the jungle and they're like, what am I doing? And like, yeah, now you're putting a bunch of fans together. And even though some of them aren't like diehard, diehard fans, you put them together, they're playing a lot harder. Yeah. Even the people that we say like, aren't the diehard, diehard, they've seen at least 15 seasons of Survivor.

[00:16:45] Yes. And they're still playing hard. I, there's not really a whole lot of people that you see just kind of floating around in the background in the past few seasons. Like last season was probably one of my favorites in years. I mean, this is a recent phenomenon too, because what year was it that you went to go play on the show? 2007. 2007. I think that it's like, go back to like 2015. And I think if you found somebody who like,

[00:17:12] like, Hey, I rewatched two seasons before they'd be like, Oh my God, you rewatched, you rewatched a season of before you came out here. That, that it was so extremely rare. I mean, if you think back through the super fan history, it was you and then it was Brian from Guatemala. And then it was me and then Cochran. Yeah. I think there's a, there's a few others like along the way. Uh, but I, I appreciate that,

[00:17:41] uh, you know, the shout out there. Um, I feel like that Mitchell was like the first person that they put on the show who was like that his claim to fame was that he loved the show. Like it wasn't necessarily that he was, and he was a funny guy, but he wasn't an athlete. He wasn't like a there for any other reasons. I think other than he was like the obsessed fan from the first season. And he loved boy. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And he struggled so much that I feel like that it was a

[00:18:09] minute before they said, let's go back to that. Yes, absolutely. Because they were afraid because a lot of super fans watch the show and say, they can do that. And then they get out there and they can't. Yeah. Um, and all this is to say that, you know, they have so many people out here now that like know what they're doing. And I think they really do try to cast the show that like any of these people could be like the main character of the show. If things broke, right. Where I think that in the old days, I do think that they used to find people who were like that they knew like who

[00:18:38] the first boots were going to be when they cast them. Yes, I agree. I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, you're going to be there for like one episode where we're going to get seven minutes of great confessionals and that's it. Yeah. And it just happened, you know, sometimes it didn't work in their favor though. Cause I honestly feel like Courtney was expected to be the first boot of China. Yeah. Well, I think they feel like that. Okay. And then if it, for some reason it doesn't go that way, this person is going to give us

[00:19:05] incredible television, uh, as far, as long as they're there. Exactly. And we, those, those moments are wonderful. I love those when that happens, you know? Yeah. So that's going to be very interesting to watch how that one tribe, uh, works out now that Thomas is gone. Uh, who are some other people that you've really had your eye on this season? Well, so I really actually like Camilla quite a bit. Um, she, I started out, so my family,

[00:19:34] we all watch weekly and we do a pool and my money's on Camilla and it's like $10 a person. How many people are in it? It's a Mormon family. So it's big. I, how many people are in there? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, eight or nine, maybe nine or 10. So you get two people. Yeah. Okay. So, and then, um, so yeah, you pick your person. We watched the

[00:20:02] first episode, then we pick our person and put our money on it. And once you're out, you're out. Yeah. The person wins. I did that with my family this season, uh, that it's only the four of us. And I just, I'm trying so hard to get my kids to care about this show, Todd. I'm really just trying to force it onto them. Like, it's like, Hey, this is our, this isn't our family. We watched survivor on Wednesday. Okay. Everybody. And they're all like talking like, Hey, come on, we're watching the show. Like, Hey, was that a good idol play? What do you think? Uh, and so I

[00:20:31] said, okay, we're doing a draft and I'm going to give money to whoever wins the draft. That's, and are they at all into it because of it? I guess it's working a little bit, Todd. It's amazing what a prize pod can do. I said, I'm going to give $20 to whoever has the winner. I would, I would 100% be focused for an entire season. Someone offered me $20. Get them into it. Yeah. And, uh, I have to say like, I'm doing the worst. I had, I had Justin and Thomas.

[00:21:00] That's pretty rough. Yeah. And I'm like, I know everything. I watched all the bios. I watched all the previews. I'm like, okay, this guy is good. This guy is good. And look at me. I lost half my team. So you guys have, who else is on your team then? I think, uh, I'd have to go back and look, I want to say maybe Cedric, uh, and, uh, maybe one other person. I have a feeling you might not win, Rob.

[00:21:28] Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. I did. But honestly, like that, I'm not trying to win this draft. I'd be excited for one of them. I got to keep them invested the whole season. Yes. Absolutely agree on that. Yeah. No. Um, I, so yeah, I feel like the reason why I like Camilla, well, first of all, we do the snake draft, you know, I was last pick. And so I originally did want to pick Thomas. I'm glad I was last Saturday night because I got Camilla and I feel like she

[00:21:57] is a little sneaky thing. Yeah. And I kind of liked that about her. I love that about her. I think she's so good. And I think that I love that she is loves the chaos and I love that she's, you know, up for telling these lies to people and she's really here to play hard. And I think that a lot of times, you know, we've had these people that we say, Oh, they're just under the radar. Nobody's worried about them. But I think that she maybe has people thinking

[00:22:24] that, but she's so not just under the radar. She's not just like skating by cause nobody's worried about her. She's planting the seeds and like making things happen. I like that. Yeah. So I think that she's going to be somebody who's a big part of the game moving forward. As long as like this doesn't really just blow up in her face where Joe and Shaheen are like, Hey, you are a liar. Like, uh, I feel like there'd be more mad at her than Kyle.

[00:22:50] Oh, that's a good question. Cause I didn't know or didn't think about like, what if they were mad at her instead of Kyle? Because Kyle played both moves. I feel like her even giving the extra vote to him was like her saying here, I'm helping you. Yeah. Well, her giving the extra vote to him really did protect against the scenario where if, uh, Thomas had the vote steal or as long as he didn't play the vote steal in the right way, they were going to be okay either way, because it was

[00:23:18] going to be a three, three vote between the two of them. If, uh, you know, that Kyle played the extra vote. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Did he play it though? I think he did. Yeah. Because we didn't, we saw him pull it out, but we didn't see. I've heard that the word is that, uh, Kyle did play Camilla's extra vote, even though we didn't see it on the show. Okay. Hmm. Interesting. I don't know. I'm, I'm ready, especially with the previews that we're seeing for this next episode where Jeff is

[00:23:45] crying. Yes. Like what's going on here? Yeah. What do you think? Who's dying? Like who's out there dying? Did Jeff cry at all during China? All the time. Yeah. He did cry. No, no, definitely not. Yeah. So yeah, it seems like they're really like, uh, you know, hyping up something very emotional happening in this episode. It doesn't seem like it's even a tribal council. No, it looks like, it seems like it's starting a challenge. So I'm wondering if it's like, you know, one of those like sappy moments

[00:24:15] where it's like, I can do this. Everybody underestimate me. It's like a Sari walks across the balance beam type thing. Yeah. I'm wondering if that's the case because they like to do that now a lot, which is fine. I should grow a little bit of a heart, but like, that's not me normally. Not like you got this, but we'll be supportive. Todd, this is something that, you know, I've talked about with the new era where back when, when

[00:24:39] you played and when I played the game that the show was about like, okay, one person is going to win a million dollars here. That's what, that's what survivor is all about. And while that is still a part of survivor, and I think that's still like the attraction to survivor. I think that what survivor is trying to do in the new era is that

[00:25:03] all these people are going through a journey or going on, are going to get an experience here. And how many of these people are going to have, you know, some other win that comes out of this experience because of survivor. I mean, you're 100% right. We get the music, we get the photo montage and the background and it works. It's very good at being like, oh my gosh, did you see that? Like they have the hardest life. And then you cheer

[00:25:33] for them a little bit more. I, and I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I just find it to be like, what? Okay. So these people, if you look hard enough, you can find sorrow in anybody's life story, but like, are they really going to put their, their heart and soul into it to win a million dollars or because they want to be a better person? Like, like you said, this is a game for money. Yeah. And so that's, that's a big part of it. But I think that they're also looking for the ways in

[00:26:03] which, uh, you know, somebody, somebody got a win out of this experience that didn't necessarily come from the winning for only one of these 18 people is going to get that story. But for everybody else, like what is the story that they're getting out of this? That's true. I mean, and it's, it's great. Like, like Mitch with, you know, and for an example where he talks about how he never saw anybody on TV who sounded like him. And I agree. We've never really seen this before.

[00:26:29] And who doesn't love Mitch? Yeah. He's so lovable. His inspiration was Christy from Survivor of the Amazon. Yes. That's, that's freaking awesome too. Christy is a good person. I like her. Yeah. Have you ever done a pop figure of Christy? No, I have not. Oh, actually. Yeah. Surprisingly. Are there any people that you get tired of making up like, oh, another Boston Rob. All right, here we go again. I make so many Robs and

[00:26:59] Sari is I think number one and Parvati, um, and Sandra. So Sandra, Rob, Parvati, Tony, and Jeff. I make Jeff all the time too. Yeah. Those are like the big dogs. Do you put them in different, uh, costumes or would you say uniforms? What would you call them? Clothes? I try, I try to mix it up. Yeah. But like, it's, it's usually up to the person who's ordering unless they like, they'll say, I want this, like this season, this look, and then I'll

[00:27:28] try to make it off of that. But if they just say you go for it, then I'll go for it. And I'll usually try to switch it up a bit. Like instead of putting them in the jungle, I'll put them at tribal council, you know, something like that. You put them in the traders ever? Yes. Oh, actually I made so many Sari trader pops that I can't even count how many, like seriously. So many of her. What about Carolyn? Do you make Carolyn's? But do you say ever like,

[00:27:55] uh, too many tattoos? That's a lot of extra work for me. Here's the thing is if she's a trader, she's wearing, she's wearing her robe. I don't have to do the tattoos. That's good. Can I, can I talk you into traders, Carolyn, instead of survivor Carolyn? Yeah, she's completely covered. But the good thing about the new era too, is there's, they have a

[00:28:20] whole wardrobe and some of those are long sleeves. So if I don't want to do tattoos, I can just put their sweater on. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good. I have a million more questions about the pop figures, but let me, uh, let me, let me stick to survivor and we'll come back. I'll come back to it. Uh, I gotta show you one, Jess, will you grab the Amazon one right there that I'm giving this away tomorrow? Cause I do like these drawings for my pop shop and I made this and I'm obsessed with it.

[00:28:49] Okay. Let me see. All right. So this is what, this is the survivor of the Amazon logo. Is that like 3d of the snake is coming out? Yes. It's a full on Funko pop that I sculpted and created. Wow. Isn't that fun? Yeah. And so the Todd is holding up a logo. Um, now Todd explain to me, because I I'm such a novice at this. Okay. I thought a Funko pop was like a person, but this is a logo.

[00:29:16] Oh, it's because I wanted to try something different. Yes. Is Funko the brand? Is it the material? So it's the eyes, the big eyes. Yes. So like the, the snake has the big eyes. The snake has the big eyes. The snake is the figure. Ah, see? Yeah. And I just turned it into the whole logo. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's incredible. Uh, do you feel like that the logos in the new era are not

[00:29:44] hitting as hard as the old school logos? I sure do. I sure do. Nobody's asking you for a survivor 43, a Funko logo. Listen, okay. 43 was the best of them with the octopus. Yeah. 42 was that stupid maze. That is ugly. It is ugly. And it has nothing to do with the season whatsoever at all. It is

[00:30:06] literally just a maze. 50. I can't even talk about 50s logo. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it really bugs me because this is, you know, I look at the details in the logos just because that's what I've always liked. Should they have let the fans vote on the logos? Yes. Yeah. Or even design it, you know, like, that's what I say. Like, I just, yeah, it really bugs me. It really bugs me. Look, well, maybe it's just him. Or the ace logo is good. Or the good logo?

[00:30:35] It's got the, you know, the tiki's and whatnot, but come on. It's like, it's, it's a lot of copy and paste type situation going on. Todd, I want to ask you about the tribe that Bianca is on. And Bianca is in this really interesting situation where now she's lost her vote, but she's there with these other two pairs. How are you feeling about how that might shake out?

[00:31:04] I'm very excited to see this because Jeff said to her, this could be bad. And she said, or it could be good because there's always a divide somewhere. And her goal was instantly to go look for a crack. She went to say, and was like, I want to work with you and Cedric. And she was like, you might want to get to know him. And she's like, found my crack. Like, that's great. You know, like, hello. That was awesome.

[00:31:32] That was great. But it'd be great if she had a vote though. Uh, I don't know how she, what she's going to do if she like, she could know where the crack is, but I don't know. I'm not sure how that helps her. You know, it doesn't. No, you're 100% right. Unless, unless like she creates drama with the other people to make them all want to go for someone else. And she, nobody knows that she doesn't have a vote. Yeah.

[00:31:59] They can assume it, but they don't know it. She could also pretend that she might have an extra vote. Just put the fear of God into people to make their votes go all over the place. Yeah. Well, there is an interesting scenario where if there's a tie between the two pairs that then she could end up being ineligible to be voted for in the tie break. And then hopefully one of those two ends up flipping if there's a two, two split between them. The only problem is it

[00:32:24] seems like that Mitch and Cedric, uh, have like hit it off pretty well. And it seems like that Cedric is going to vote with Mitch and, um, and, uh, Oh no, Todd, I'm, I'm blanking on, uh, the other who, who, no, not, not say, uh, this is so embarrassing for me, but it's not

[00:32:49] charity. Who is it? Who is it? And she's gotten like, uh, it's Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. Okay. That's an embarrassing moment for me. I'm here with Todd Herzog and I'm forgetting the names of the players. I just called say, say, yeah. Although it is spelled, uh, it is spelled the same. I don't know if you were a fan of the Ninja Turtles at all, but Raphael's weapon was

[00:33:16] spelled, I believe the same way. And that was pronounced Psy. The Psy. Yeah. And that's why that was the worst weapon of any of the Ninja Turtles. Like Michael Andrews got nunchucks. Donatello's got a staff and Leonardo has swords. And what, and Raphael has like a big fork. Like what is he? That's a big fork. What is that thing? The worst weapon. It is a really stupid weapon, but my mom

[00:33:41] actually told me, my mother told me the best way to remember her name. Yeah. Cause it was said, Cedric. So she's like, they're said and say, it's very confusing. I'm said. Yeah. And that's, but I still forget. So thanks mom. Have you ever made the Ninja Turtles, uh, as a pop figure? No, but I did make a little kid who had an entire bedroom that was themed at Ninja Turtles.

[00:34:08] And so I made some tiny little Ninja Turtle ones to go on his shelf. Okay. Cause sometimes you make one of like people send you a picture. Huh? Yeah. I'll make anything like anyone, anything you could possibly imagine. So yeah. Okay. The crazier, the better. Cause I get to try new things. Okay. Really? So any, anybody, is there ever a person where you're like, uh, not that person? I'm not

[00:34:32] doing that. I haven't not yet. I mean, I'm not going to make Trump. Okay. Well, that's a bad, I feel like that's a big, but I feel like you could probably, I don't need to go to Todd if I want a Trump pop figure. It's like, I feel like I could get that other places. Probably. I just, that's just a personal thing. But I mean, I think people are also like, would not come to me to ask me, but that's another story. You know, but like, they were like, okay, Todd, you know, spend all day

[00:34:59] making Trump for me. Oh no, because do you know what would happen is I would post it or someone would post it and then they would, I'd have all these people coming to me and wanting more. And I just not going to do that. Right. Right. I'm not going to put myself through that. Yeah. So, but there's that, but like, other than that, no, like I'll try anything. And if it's not going to work, then I'll say like, that's not going to work. The biggest thing is, is like when people will be like,

[00:35:25] can you give, make them hugging? And it's like, no, you can't because their heads are so big. So they'll be like, no, you can't, they can't. What can they do? Can they like, it's like, I want Rob and Amber. Can you make them hold hands? They can be like reaching to each other and possibly holding hands. That's it. Yeah. That's it. No, pretty much. Yeah. Cause the heads are huge and they'll get in the way. So yeah. Could they give each other a piggyback ride? Um, not, not looking right.

[00:35:55] One's head would be all the way back, you know, like I think it would be tough to do. Their head would, it would be stupid. So like, unless someone was really hunched over and the other was like riding them like a, like a horse, then that could be done. Yeah. Todd, I want to ask you about the very exciting episode we had, uh, the previous week

[00:36:18] where Justin went home. And of course there was a lot of controversy about how it all went down. Did you have any thoughts on the Justin tribal council? Oh, I mean, of course I had thoughts because like, I was really, I was like, Justin, why aren't you fighting? Why aren't you doing something right now? I can't imagine being in that situation and not saying anything. So unless we didn't see it, which is what I would like to pretend happened,

[00:36:45] or he just really was fine with it. I don't know. Like I really, I would have fought, but like she was going home and then she fought and she won because Cedric obviously can be easily persuaded. Yeah. I think it was a very bad spot for Justin because I think like he brought a knife or maybe, you know, a pizza roller to a, a, a gunfight where say it was never going to relinquish

[00:37:15] in that spot. No, but like, I don't think you should, if you're having an open discussion about it right there and you're trying to convince somebody exactly why they should stay or keep you, you fight for it unless you're over it, unless you want to like, you're like, this is fine. I'm fine with it. But if that's not the case, you're about to go home and you're about to have a big regret. You're going to think about that for the rest of your life. Like I should have fought harder.

[00:37:42] That's all I can say there. I would have, if I didn't fight my hardest, I would rather fight my hardest and still go home than just like roll over. Yeah. So yeah. What about, yeah. I asked him when I spoke to him, he said he did fight more than they showed. Okay. That makes me feel a little better because I feel like I don't know how you couldn't as a

[00:38:11] person. Maybe that's just me and my argumentative side. I don't know, but like, I just, yeah. I wouldn't want to be, you know, heads up in a tie against you. We would go to debt. Like we would be there all night. Cause we, I feel like you, you and I are pretty both convincing, but I feel like you're more well-spoken than I am.

[00:38:36] See, I would feel like that you are not going to give up. I think, uh, I feel like at some point I'm going to get frustrated. Like, all right, you know what? Forget it. Forget it. Possibly, but I don't know. Let's, let's not get in that position. Okay. We'll work it out. We'll work it out before it comes to that. But what about Mary and say, and their relationship moving forward? What do you think about this?

[00:39:00] Have you seen this before on survivor where these two, uh, former rivals can come together? No, I mean, sure. You can pretend. And why would they not? Why would they say no in that scenario as well? I like how they actually did. They got to camp and they're like, yeah, we're going to do this. And then they ended up being like, okay, maybe we actually are going to do this. I love Mary. I think she's hilarious. I don't know exactly what it is about her. Something about her,

[00:39:28] like facial expressions or something, but I'm drawn to her. I like her a lot. So I'm glad that that happened. Um, but I like, you be good girls now. Like, that's what it felt like. And it just was weird to me when Cedric was like, all right, I'll stay on one condition. You two got to get along fighting. Like, okay, dad, like, it's just weird, but it was great TV.

[00:39:54] Yeah. Do you think those two will work together once we get to the merge? Would you? For, if I was them? Sure. Why not? I feel like that, um, it's almost like that it's water under the bridge with them, uh, where I feel like that say is almost like, I can't believe that I considered working with those three idiots, Cedric, Kevin, and Justin, instead of you.

[00:40:17] Like I was a fool, Mary. I think, okay. I think say is way too much of a firecracker to fully commit to. I would 100% tell her I would work with her because that's what you would have to do in that scenario. And I would pretend to, but I would definitely not put all of my cards in her basket. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. Mary seems like that she has some other things going on in this

[00:40:44] other tribe that has David on it. And so that she's making some allies there and say, potentially might have Bianca as somebody that she could work with. So it is going to be a very fluid situation when we get to the merge and we'll see if they reconnect. Can you tell me a little bit about, what do you think about this story with David and that he has to win the money so that his girlfriend doesn't break up with him?

[00:41:09] Okay. If I were her, I would be really bugged. I would be so pissed. Okay. Like everybody in the world now knows of this woman as like a gold digger. Yeah. But she was with him for like, at some point for a reason, even if he is living in a trailer in his dad's yard, I see nothing wrong with that. If that is a living situation that you have for you right now, you could be under a bridge. Okay. That is your situation at the moment.

[00:41:39] But to say that you have a girlfriend that will only be with you if you win the million dollars, otherwise she's out and then say like, oh yeah, no, she's already out because I'm broke. No. It's like, this is embarrassing. This is embarrassing. Todd, I don't think I've ever heard a story like this before in 48 seasons of Survivor. Because most people wouldn't share that information on TV. It's just embarrassing. Like, I would never

[00:42:06] say that. I would, because you're not going to have someone there for you when you get home. They're going to be off with another millionaire somewhere, probably. Yeah. I don't know. I just like, that's embarrassing. I don't know this woman though. I don't know how she is as a person. Maybe it's love, Rob. Maybe it's like- Maybe. I don't know. But it's a weird story because then he also said that she dumped him this week.

[00:42:33] I know. And I don't know if he knows exactly what's going on. Yeah. I think he really hopes that that's, maybe he's told himself this is the story. Well, I know he's also was not one of the bigger fans of the show. And I just wonder, was this like all like a Hail Mary? If she's like, hey, David, I'm breaking up with you because that we can't keep living like this. He's like, hold on. Wait a second. I've got an idea.

[00:43:01] I mean, if that was the Hail Mary and that was- This is his shot in the dark. Then good on him. He found a solution. But there's also like, you can also go and DoorDash or something, you know, find some extra cash. Yeah. But you can't get a million dollars on DoorDash that quick. No, you definitely can't. Not in 26 days. And do you know what? Starting off like episode one to episode three or four or whatever one now, I thought he had no shot. But now I'm like, wait a second. Is he starting to get like

[00:43:31] this edit of people rooting for him? Okay. It's coming together. Yeah, it is. It actually is, which is crazy. So we'll see. And we'll know. Yeah. We'll know soon enough whether or not she's with him. I know you have Camilla in the draft. Do you have a winner pick, Todd? Oh my goodness. A winner pick. I would say Shaheen or Joe or Camilla or now even David.

[00:44:02] Okay. Those would be my four. Maybe even Mitch. I don't know. I'm really bad at this, Rob. Like I've gotten like maybe two in my life, right? In your life. And you picked them at the start of the season? Yeah. I got Jenna. Oh, okay. I got Jenna, shockingly. How did you know Jenna Maraska? Because everybody was underestimating her and I was like, I'm going to pick her. That's true. We did. That's my bad. We did underestimate her. I was more worried about Heidi.

[00:44:31] No, that's fair. That's fair. So yeah, I weirdly chose Jenna right and then Rachel, I said. Well, okay. So those two. Yeah. In my life. You kind of bookended it. Like you did one as a child and then the most recent season. I know. But then like I picked Hannah for one, a couple, and she, she quit the show on like day one. Oh, Hannah from Survivor 45. Yes. Yeah.

[00:44:58] So like, that's how good my radar has been the past 20 years. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I'm always like, you know, how are you supposed to know they're going to quit? You know, exactly. Hey Todd, Jenna Maraska tried to quit on like day 32. 32? Why? She said she, her tonsils were hurting her. Okay. Come on, Jenna. Who's got seven days left?

[00:45:24] I think Heidi was trying to like be to her and say to her like, hell yeah, you two need to go home. Like, I think it was Heidi was like trying to convince her to leave so that they would cancel travel council. But do you know what's really interesting though with Jenna is like, it's all that very, cause like, I mean, I know you heard this one. I'm not just blowing smoke up your ass, but like the game was yours. And then she won that and brought Matt, you know? And it's like, what are you going to do? Duh. Like, who are you going to pick in the two?

[00:45:54] Like, I guess we'll pick her. Yeah. If it was a final three, we all know what would have happened though. They didn't invent that yet, Todd. I know. Yeah. And I'm sorry. And I know you've heard that your whole life and you're like, thanks again for reminding me. Have you made Jenna as a pop figure? I have. What about Matt? I have. Yeah. Do you have him with the machete? I have him with like a, like a fishing pole and a piranha from that challenge that you guys did. He didn't catch that angler fish, right? No.

[00:46:23] He could have. This poor angler fish. She was precious. What about Butch? Have you made Butch? I have. Yeah. Wow. And it wasn't for him? Somebody bought Butch? No, someone bought Butch. Yeah. Wow. What was Butch doing? Do you remember? No. It was a long time ago. He had a hat on though. I remember that. Did he have a believe in yourself or did he have a bunch of firewood? No. No, I think it was like a bunch of wood. Honestly, I think he was sitting like at camp. It was muddy.

[00:46:53] It's weird because I've made some super obscure people. Can you share who is the most obscure person you've made? I mean, Butch is pretty obscure. That's pretty obscure. But he was at least Final Four, believe it or not. He was. He was. Who? I'm trying to think. Like, Rob's backneck. Yeah. Look, he's an icon. He is. He was in a movie commercial. I remember that much. I remember seeing him being like, that's Rob.

[00:47:23] With two Bs. Yeah. Who else? When I went to go play Todd, that he was like, you know, the face of like Survivor Thailand. And he brought it. I bet you had him with the skateboard. Yes. But like, he was like, Rob with two Bs was like a big persona. He was, but he did not do well. Mm-hmm. You know? I don't know. I've made some really, really random ones. A lot of them, though, I shouldn't say random. Like, a lot of the contestants have, you know, their own.

[00:47:52] And some of them were not on the show for super long. Which is fine. It happens. Like, there's no judgment. Do you feel like that? Are you making more classic people or more people from the new era? Oh, my gosh. It's all over the board. Yeah. And it comes in waves. Like, I've made in my, so I made one Sheehan pop probably three years ago. Yeah. And last week I made two that people ordered. Two Sheehan pops out of nowhere. What's the Sheehan renaissance coming from?

[00:48:21] Is she going to be on Survivor 50? But I also made a Brian Heideck, and I never make Brian, last week. So, like, it's like, Island is all of a sudden coming back. It's interesting. Did you ever meet Brian Heideck? Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Like, one of these, like, hearts of reality? Yeah. I met him just once. Yeah. He was a really nice guy. Yeah. Like, he was super good. I didn't recognize him. I was a child, basically, when he was on. But then he called me over. He's like, Todd.

[00:48:50] And I was like, hi. Yeah. He was like, Brian. And I was like, oh, hi. Hi, Brian. But yeah. I met him one time. I met him at the Survivor All-Stars finale. Okay. Then I interviewed him one time. And it was a weird interview. I can only imagine. Yeah. Like, he is a little bit weird, but he's nice. Right? I mean, he was nice to me. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:18] I mean, a lot of people, you know, they have pretty hardcore thoughts on Brian. But he was always nice to me. Or he was nice to me that time I met him. So, I have nothing bad to say about him. Yeah. I mean, if he wasn't so crazy, he probably would have been on Survivor All-Stars. Probably. Oh, really? That could have been interesting. Yeah. Well, I think about it. I think he probably would have gone, like, I don't know if they would have cut Boston Rob. Like, I kind of feel like that Boston Rob was like, sort of like a borderline to get on the show.

[00:49:48] I know they really liked him. So, I don't know who they would have bumped. Maybe like a Big Tom or one of the Africa guys. But at that point, Rob was only more cases. And he was, what, 10th place? Like, so, yeah. That makes sense to me. Yeah. How crazy is that? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's wild. He was just like, after his season, he was acting like, he said, I think he said he wanted like a million dollars to go play Survivor All-Stars. Who said that?

[00:50:18] Ryan Heideck. He's so weird. I don't know. And I've talked to his wife a couple times, too. Yes. Now, but is he still married? He has a different wife than from when he was on the show? I think so. Not to talk to her out of school about. Yeah. I'm not positive. Yeah. But I think so. She was super sweet. Yeah. But. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I've made Clay as well. Yeah. R.I.P. I know. Yeah. We love Clay.

[00:50:46] He was very nice outside of the show. I know that people like didn't always love him on the show. But he was like a super nice guy the couple times I met him. Yeah. Because I remember I hated him on the show. But he was a nice guy in person. Yeah. Like he was really nice. I mean, for the most part, like the cast of Thailand, you know, I've met like Tanya. Everybody knows Tanya. We all love Tanya. She's the nicest. And then like Jed. Yeah. And I've spoken to Rob.

[00:51:16] And that's pretty much it. Like that's. I can't even remember if there's anybody else that I'm missing that I've met, you know. What about Helen? I've not met Helen. Yeah. Oh, okay. I like Helen. Yeah. I don't think I've met Helen. Yeah. Yeah. Or Gondia. No, Gondia would be fun. Yeah. I've interviewed Gondia a couple times and she was very fun. I bet that's fun. Yeah. I mean, it's weird. Like I have all these times like where like I met a bunch of these people like in the real time.

[00:51:44] And then I had like a, you know, a little bit of a break with I didn't meet anybody. And I didn't meet you until after you had already won that. I remember that I, you know, I had a really great conversation with you at the Survivor 10 year anniversary party. Yeah. Like right before Heroes and Villains, right? Yes. Right when it was about to air. Yes. And you were super kind. And like, I always remember that.

[00:52:12] I was so excited to be there because hello, super fan. All of these like class. Oh my gosh. That was a wonderful night. That was a crazy night. And there was only a few people I was super stoked to meet. I was like mostly excited to meet you and Sue Hawk. Like I couldn't wait to meet Sue. Yeah. How was Sue? She was wonderful. I loved her. She was so good. Somebody asked me on Twitter today, like, did you, was Sue mean and really like, no, I

[00:52:40] loved every second of spending time with Sue Hawk. Yeah. She was so sweet. Like, cause I had met others cause, cause I was that guy who went to the fan events when, before I was on the show. So like I was waiting in line to meet people. So I had met people beforehand and then after it was weird, it was like a double, you know, but it was so yes. But it was still like me being that super fan at meeting my, my favorite people in the world. So yeah, that was a great moment.

[00:53:10] Yeah. It was a really fun night that they brought everybody together for the 10 year anniversary of, of survivor, believe it or not. And can you believe we're at the 25th anniversary of survivor and they're definitely not going to do a party like that again? No, never again, please. That's way too much money for it. It got too crazy. It was crazy. Yeah, it was absolutely. It was an open bar. Like everybody got up. It was crazy. Yeah.

[00:53:39] It might've been a mistake in hindsight. It was fun though. I mean, I met Rafe there too. That was the only time I ever went to. Rafe there also. Yeah. Like, and I watch his show now, Wheel of Time, which is really like, I'm like, good job, Rafe. Like, this is incredible, you know? Yeah. Now, were you friendly with Rafe when you first came off the show because you had both had played so close together?

[00:54:05] So like we had only exchanged like a few messages, but they were very kind because he was like the first gay Mormon. Yeah. And then he said something to me like, like, you're the gay Mormon who did it. And I was like, tried. Like, I didn't, what do you say to that? I don't know. Like, thanks. Yeah. But he's nice. I really like Rafe. Yeah.

[00:54:26] It's definitely, you know, it's interesting now that, because the survivors, I feel like that they are very, you know, you get, they know each other very well. The people that played on the seasons before and after and survivor, I've made this analogy many times, but it is a little bit like high school. If you really do get to know the people that are in like the grade ahead of you and like in the grade that comes after you, like, you know, these people very well.

[00:54:56] And then the people that are like five grades away from you, you may never meet. Yes. One hundred percent. Like, I know this new era, they all talk with each other and they all hang out with each other and they all love each other. But looking back, that was like what we did. I hung out with people from Fiji and from Micronesia all the way through Heroes vs. Villains. It was like exactly what you're saying right now. Yeah. And it's actually, they may even like spend more time with each other because there's so

[00:55:22] many, this is like the watch party era where that was like back in the old days, you just go to like all these like charity events that would happen like every single year and people would show up for them. Now I feel like that the charity events don't really happen that much, but there's a watch party in cities across America every single week. Every single week. And there's like four of them every week in different parts of the country, which is wild. I mean, granted, all those parts of the country are not where I am.

[00:55:51] Like, so I don't go to these watch parties. Yeah. Are you still in Utah? Yeah. Yeah. In Utah, we had one. We had one watch party that Leslie Nese put together. Yes. When? Back in the day or recently? Like three or four seasons ago. I don't know. Yeah. So like, it seems recent because that was the last thing that I went to, but yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of us here too. Yeah. Who are the survivors that you keep up with?

[00:56:22] Well, Courtney, she's like my love. I, you know, always and forever. Sandra, Courtney. And then it's random. Like I talk to a lot of them because of the pops that I make. Yeah. But other than that. Do you talk to a person if you're making the pop figure of them? Of like, hey, just so you know, like I'm working on Francesca today. No, like they'll order. They'll order.

[00:56:51] Oh, the order of them's like, hey, can I get, can I get another me? Or like Liz from 46. Like I love Liz. She's ordered a bunch of her castmates pops and talked with her a lot. But then like, we've got to be able to chat quite a bit. And like, I loved her on 46 and I like her as a human being. So she's just a, she's a fun person. Does anybody ever like ask for an order?

[00:57:17] And it's like, hey, Todd, like, can you make me, but like, like make my muscles bigger? Yes. Like, can you like, can you, yeah. Can you bring the gut in a little bit? Like. And I said to him like, sure. If that's what you would like. Okay. Yeah. Like I had one person who was like bald, completely bald. Yeah. And they were like, can you add a little bit more hair?

[00:57:44] And I'm like, what do you mean add a little bit more? There's none. And by the time I shipped it, it was a full head of hair. And did Russell get mad at you then? Russell gets mad for anything. Oh, okay. All right. Russell does not have his own pop. Oh, not yet. No, no. I mean, no. But I'm sure you've made Russell, right? I've made lots of Russells. Yeah. But anytime. That would be a good figure to have. Like, hey. Yeah. And he's got his foot to work. Give me the idol. Freaking Russell.

[00:58:15] He's a funny dude. How about the rest of the seasons in the new era? Have you had any strong opinions from these last couple seasons or any players that you've really liked? That I've really liked? I mean, there's a good handful of people that I thought were really good players for different reasons as well, though. Like, I mean, Charlie, I thought played a really good game. You know, he was fun to watch. Carolyn was probably the best TV ever.

[00:58:44] Jam Jam is hilarious. So I really enjoyed him and his sarcasm. 41. Not my favorite. 43. I don't know. Like. When it's not on anymore. I haven't. Like, I don't. Do you hate that they just call it the numbers, though? I hate it, Rob. Yeah. I hate it. Because they all start to blend together when it's just a number and I forget what's what.

[00:59:12] And then I have to think of the logo. Okay. And that's what helps me remember because I picture the buff on them and like, that's how my brain works. Yeah. Jeff's talked about how that it's it's hard because if they run out of good ideas for the themes and look and I don't disagree. It's hard to come up with some of these good theme names. But I 100% agree with that. Like, look at Australian Survivor. They're on blood versus or brain versus brawn, too.

[00:59:42] They just put that on there. Yeah. It helps. It just makes it easier. There's some of them. They call it different things of Titans versus rebels. And what are the champions versus challengers? They come out. It's the same thing every time. Yeah. And it's stupid, but at least gives a title. Yes. Now, you're a you keep up with all the Australian Survivor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think I'm I have one episode. I'm not I'm very far behind on this season. Like, I'm sure at some point I'll catch up with it.

[01:00:10] And do you like the Australian Survivor game more at this point? Yes. I love it. It's so good. I don't know what it is about it, but these people play so hard. Yeah. Australians, I have learned. First of all, there's just huge Survivor fans. So the fact that they're getting to play the game of Survivor for way less money, but for

[01:00:35] way longer doesn't make a whole lot of sense because they get out there and they play their asses off. And it's so fun to watch. It's intense also. Yes. Yeah. It is so intense. I'd be dead if I was out there. These challenges where they're like throwing people around in the mud and beating. It's like, come on. Yeah. But I love it. Yeah. It's great TV. Would you have been interested in a Australian Survivor versus the world if they reach out to you?

[01:01:06] 100%. 100%. Yeah. Because I think it would be fun. I think it would be so much fun because I also talk to a lot of Australian Survivors, which is crazy. Yeah. But like, I think like Dirty Harry is probably one of my favorite Survivor players of all time. And I would love to play the game of Survivor with him. Have you made a lot of Australian Survivor pop figures? Yes. I've seen them. Yeah. There's your typical like King George and Shoney are like the most popular. Of course.

[01:01:35] I mean, as expected. But I've made quite a few of them. Yeah. What about David? The Golden God. Yeah. I've made quite a few of David as well. At least, especially when his was airing. None since he's on Deal or No Deal Island. Not one Deal or No Deal Island from him. No. What's his name? We've made a few Deal or No Deal Island pops, but. Not. Beyond like Boston Rob and Parvati?

[01:02:05] Neither of them. It was like Miranda. So. Miranda from Deal or No Deal pop. Pop figure. Wow. And Dixon is. Dixon. That's a good one. Now you've made all the hosts. Have you made Joe Manganiello? Not yet, but it'll happen. I'm sure. Yeah. They may. That's. Take it from me, Todd. That's a. They get like a tall pop figure. Is he super tall, then? I didn't even realize. Yeah, apparently. Really? Yeah.

[01:02:35] All right. Yeah. Okay. Let me ask you. This is something I wanted to run past you. Okay. So there was a conversation that Thomas had with Jeff at the start of the season. And Mike Bloom chronicled this in an article he did on parade.com. And he talked about this a little bit online. And when Thomas was on the mat at the start of the season, he was asked by Jeff the question

[01:03:02] about what was it that made you want to go from being a fan to being a player? And Thomas said, so I, like a lot of people, found Survivor in the pandemic. And my husband kind of bullied me that I'd never seen an episode in 2022. He was like, you love pop culture. You're very gay. You should know what this is. So I started watching and Jeff said, well, hold on. What does being gay have to do with it?

[01:03:33] And Thomas explained, oh, Survivor is huge with the gays. It's like part of the culture. Yeah. So he was ashamed that I never had seen an episode. So of course I'm a completionist and I went from episode one and then I watched 42 seasons and then somewhere along the journey, I can do this. Like a very confident version of me. So I applied and here we are. The dream come true. But Todd, I wanted to ask you about your thoughts about that Survivor is part of gay culture. Okay.

[01:04:02] It's when he said that I was laughing so hard because it is true. And I don't know when exactly it happened. Yeah. But it happened. It's 100% real. So if you go to any LRG, which is a live reality game or online reality game, you're going to find like probably 80 to 90% of the cast is from the LGBT community. Right. Right. Yeah. Um, and I don't know exactly what it is.

[01:04:31] I'm thinking, okay, a lot of gays, they love like the real housewives. Right. Right. And they don't watch Survivor. But the ones that don't love the real housewives or like RuPaul's Drag Race, we need the same fix, but we need a little bit of adventure. And so I'm guessing that Survivor did that for us.

[01:04:51] So I had heard this story when I was in New York and they had a big premiere for Survivor 40 and I got to go there and I was at, there was a bar function like after the premiere event. And I was there and this story came up. I think Mike had retold this story about how he couldn't believe that this wasn't in the episode because it was such a memorable moment to him.

[01:05:14] And I asked Thomas about this a little bit and I asked him, my first question was, do you feel like at all because of Richard Hatch being in the first season that that was such a reason that he was presented and there were not a lot of real gay people on television in the year 2000. Do you think that that was a reason why Survivor struck such a chord with a gay audience?

[01:05:44] Do I think that? No, because I know because like, okay, I was 15 and I was not rooting for Richard Hatch back in the day. Like, so to me, that had nothing to do with it. I don't know. I just got sucked in. I got sucked into the drama, the gameplay, the manipulation, all of that kind of stuff. And maybe it's because gays are just naturally born with a lot of those tools. And this was a way for us to use that. Yeah. I don't know.

[01:06:12] I think it's really interesting because, you know, I know from doing the podcast and like getting, you know, familiar with the audience that I do feel like that there is like a, you know, disproportionate amount of people in the, you know, Survivor, you know, fandom community who are, I'm hoping I'm not going to put my foot in my mouth or queer people who are people who are fans of these shows.

[01:06:40] I don't think that you're putting your foot in your mouth. I mean, it doesn't offend me. If it does to any of the others, then they can suck it. I'm just kidding. But like, honestly, like, I don't, I don't know exactly why, but it's true. There is a huge gay follow and it's always been that way.

[01:07:25] Yeah. Like a skill set that really translates to these shows like Survivor and Big Brother. I mean, yeah, that makes sense as well. I, I feel like, no, I, I really don't. So, yes, you are aware to your surroundings.

[01:07:47] I, I'm trying to think of the exact reason as to why, but every viewing party that I've ever gone to, it's like, you know, a few families and a bunch of gays. Mm-hmm. It was everywhere. And I don't know why, but Thomas is the one who actually made me realize it by saying that on, on the show. And I was like, what is the, what is this? Yeah. Um. I don't know. Yeah. It's a, you know, and it really is. I can't believe that Jeff never heard this before.

[01:08:16] Does Jeff like not get, go to these things ever? I don't know. I mean, maybe he's never, maybe he's never been invited to a lot of these watch parties. He's just talking to the people on the streets. It is interesting though, because if you look at casting now too, there's so much, it's not just your one gay person per season. It's like, it's nice to see that like, you don't, they're not going to just make it so that only one gay person is available per season. There's, there can be multiple and that's fine. Yeah.

[01:08:45] Like I remember back in China, I was afraid our twist was going to be like gays against straights because this was back when they were doing the Cook Island stuff, you know? And I was like, that's what it's going to be. I guarantee it. Yeah. And I was like, this is going to be a nightmare, but thankfully it was not. Yeah. Could you imagine how terrible, that would be horrible. The gays would win just saying. Yeah.

[01:09:08] I mean, but like if you were on a tribe of that was all gay, I kind of feel like, because I know back from when we did a lot of the panels in 2000 talking about, you know, the representation of black people on Survivor. A lot of the people that we talked to said, Hey, you know, it was a great season cook islands. Cause you know what? There was five black people on that season.

[01:09:36] And I think that a lot of white people were like, that's a very racist idea to have like a, and a lot of the black survivor players. They're like, no, I love that idea. Back in the day. Yeah. I just remember thinking like, this is, this is crazy. This is a wild twist because it's, it seemed as if they were pitting the races against each other, but looking back at it now, it was really awesome. First step into like making it is what it is today.

[01:10:05] Cause now it's like, let's cast everybody and not have a limit. And it allows us to see the, these personalities that we never would have gotten before because they're not typecast anymore. Do you know what I mean? Which I love. I think it's great. Like, and I say, I hate when I, when people will complain to me and they're like, I hate that it has to be this 50% or whatever. I'm like, why? Like, why do you hate that?

[01:10:33] What is this about you that what's wrong with you that you hate this? You know, it's just a mess. Yeah. Todd, what about big brother? Do you make a lot of big brother pop figures? I make, I make handfuls of them. Yes. Um, so it depends on whether or not like someone is a super standout of the season.

[01:10:56] Um, I'm trying to think who I've made the most of, like I've made Rachel and Brendan and, um, of course, Sari because she. Oh, that's true. Did that spike the Sari pop figure sales when she was our big brother? Yes. But, oh, and Jag, I've made a couple of Jag. Oh, okay. Yeah. Who else? Like, it's always very random. Oh, Janelle. Obviously, Janelle. Like, you can't not have Janelle as a pop figure.

[01:11:26] Are there a lot of other pop culture figures that you like, uh, like characters from other things that you make a lot of? Or those things are available in the store and I don't need to go to Todd for that one. So what's interesting is like, they'll release the collection, right? You were talking about like Five Nights at Freddy's. Your kids have all of these, but I guarantee you there's one missing. There's one they didn't make. Yeah. And those people will come to me to make that. Yeah.

[01:11:53] So I'll make random people from shows that were missing a main character in their pop line. And who knows why it wasn't made? I don't know, but I'm happy to make them. But like, I also get a lot of like really super random, like the woman from Frasier. Like someone wanted her. The woman from Frasier? Yeah. Daphne? I don't remember her name.

[01:12:22] She had the slick back hair with the bun. Okay. I think that's Daphne. Not Roz. It is Roz. It's Roz. Roz? Somebody wanted a Roz pop figure from Frasier? Yeah. Or like... Somebody would want a Frasier pop figure. You would be shocked at what people really like. I... Tell me. It's so bizarre. Well, I'm looking around my desk to see who I'm working on currently. Okay. Todd, can I ask another question? Okay. Yeah. Right.

[01:12:52] Has anybody ever said, can you make this person naked? Has anybody ever... Yeah. And what do you say? That's like, no, we're not... I'm not doing that? I can place things in areas to cover certain bits. Okay. Type thing. But there's a limit. Mm-hmm. You know, like I'm not... You'll only do like tasteful nudity. Yes. Okay. So like the blur... You know the blur? Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. I'll make the blur on the pot. Like I've done sugar.

[01:13:22] Yeah. Where it's like lost her top and it's just a blur right here. Yeah. So, yeah. I see. I would want like... What if I wanted like the whole heroes versus villains set? Like a... Yeah. How much would that cost? If I said like I want... I want the whole heroes... I want to play heroes versus villains. So normally I would do like a breakdown of like... The hat will cost this much. The glasses will cost this much. Blah, blah, blah. But if you were to order 20, I would say like...

[01:13:50] I'll do them for $85 each. Okay. All right. And it can have the hat. It can have the torch. It can have... You know what I mean? For $1,700, I could get the whole heroes versus villains set? The whole set. That's not... The box set? Yeah. I'll even make a tribal council for you. Wow. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I try... Honestly, I try to stay like within a reasonable price range. Yeah. Because like a lot of Survivor fans are young.

[01:14:19] And like, you know, they want their pops. So like I do my best, but I'm not charging $15. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. Todd, speaking of 15, let me go back to Survivor China and ask you, if you don't mind answering, are there people from Survivor China that you think belong on Survivor 50 when they make that decision?

[01:14:48] So I will not be surprised if we see Amanda. Mm-hmm. And I would be okay with... Yeah. I would be okay with that because she has kind of like stepped out of the Survivor world completely for a long time. And she's, you know, finalist twice, yet to win. Played three times. People love her. Two times in a very small period of time. Yes. She played 15, 16, 20. Yeah.

[01:15:15] And then it seemed like a lot in the time, but like when we sort of like take a step back from Survivor history, like that was a very small amount of time. What is there? Like three years total in between all of that and out of 25 years of the show? Well, and we had just gotten back from China and she left like three weeks later to go play 16. This was back when the filming wasn't back to back, you know? So like she was gone all while China was airing.

[01:15:45] So like it's pretty impressive what she did. So I think it would be really fun to see her play. Yeah. From my season, as far as 50 goes, I think that would be a really great representation. Yeah. That would be exciting. And I feel like that nobody's even seen her since like 2011. Nobody. Yeah. She's gone. Who knows? She'd be such a wild card. I know. It would be awesome. Has she even watched an episode since then? Who knows? I don't know.

[01:16:14] Nobody's been able to talk to her. Her numbers change. She's moved away. It's like, hello. I would love to talk to you. One time she was on the podcast and I got, it was like a coup that I got her to do the podcast. And I was very excited. And it must have been like, maybe like 2011, 2012. And I got her to be on the podcast and she was like, she was like doing something that day.

[01:16:39] And then she was like, I must have texted me or called me and said like, Hey, I didn't watch the episode. Like, okay. Okay. And then she's like, and also I'm going to be in the car. So I interviewed her about the episode of Survivor. It must've been like Redemption Island or something. She had not watched the episode, but we did it. You made it work. We made it work. We made it happen.

[01:17:09] And that's what we love about Amanda is you make it work. You know, we made it work. It was, it was, uh, it was exciting. Yes. I'm sure it was actually to be completely honest, like PG, I think that PG would be super awesome to see play again, just because I really wanted her to do well in Cambodia. And like, I hated her in China, but I love her in real life. Mm-hmm. That kind of situation. That happens. So she would be fun.

[01:17:38] Like, cause she's incredible as a person. Had some bad luck with the tribe swap also. Yeah. Poor thing. Yeah. But she's, she's got a lot going on in her life now and she's doing well. We love to see that. Yeah. Todd, is there anything else on your mind in terms of, uh, talking about survivor? Oh my gosh. Well, I did say that I would tell, okay, so you know how I said I'm giving away that, that Amazon pop.

[01:18:05] So I host these weekly drawings every Tuesday to give away some fun survivor pops. And I've got this like little chat group through Facebook who are filled with survivor fans where I do like drawings and prizes and stuff. I told them I would say hello to all of the TPS friends. So hello, all of them. What's the Todd's pop sockets TPS? Hop shop. Hop shop. Okay. Pop sockets on the back of your phone. I'm sorry, Todd. You're like, listen, I'm also, I'm old. Okay. I'm doing, I'm doing the best I can.

[01:18:35] I couldn't remember Chrissy before. And this is like my ninth survivor podcast of the week. It is all good, but no, it's Todd's pop shop. So we, I host like little challenges and it's just a bunch of survivor fans who they love the show. Yes. Okay. So they're all together. I made a place basically where they can all come and be friends. Yes. And it's fun. Well, that's so important to connect people in the survivor community.

[01:19:02] I always believe that, you know, people are looking for connection around these shows and getting to be able to talk to other people who love this stuff. Can, how do people join Todd's pop shop? They just message me, hit me up on Facebook and say, I want into your chat. And I'll let you in. What if I just love Todd and I don't care about a pop shop? That's fine. What if I don't care about pop figures? That's totally fine. Yeah. What if I just want to keep up with Todd? Say hi. Facebook.

[01:19:32] Facebook or Instagram. How do people win? It's a raffle? Yeah. So I do like little raffle drawings, but then in the chat that I have, I'll host little challenges. Yeah. So scavenger hunts or puzzles that I make or like things that they have to solve and fit together. And I mean, we're talking like we get pretty, pretty serious up in there. Yeah. It's crazy. And then they also will host their own.

[01:19:59] So I'll put time slots for every Tuesday where they can claim a time slot and in the chat host their own challenge. All right. A couple more questions, Todd. Yes. John Robert. Does anybody keep up with him? I haven't spoken to him in a long time. Yeah. The last I heard from him, he had twins. Oh, congratulations to John Robert. Yeah. I remember like in the early days of Rob's podcast, I feel like he used to be kind of active on Twitter. Yeah.

[01:20:28] He used to be active on quite a bit of social media. And then I think like once he became a dad, I think he kind of stopped. That happens. I can imagine. Yeah. Todd, has anybody in the new era impressed you with their final tribal council performance? Because I feel like that we always say Todd had the best final tribal council. Stop. You're too nice. Marianne obviously had a wonderful final tribal council. Because I did not think she was going to win.

[01:20:59] And then she did a great job. I also, I thought Sam did a really good job last season. I went into the finale confident that Rachel was going to win. He was like, say. He was like, he's like, hey. Yes. I'm going to be the underdog. I'm not going home without a fight. When he was done talking, I was like, did he just steal the million dollars? Did he do it? Yeah. Because he may have. So yeah, I have to give him mad props because that was a really good final tribal council.

[01:21:28] I think those are the ones that sat out the most, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Todd, any other, like, I feel like I don't want to let you go because, you know, I guess we can, you know, get you back. But I feel like I'm going to think of good things to ask you after we get done. You probably will. And I'll probably think of good things to say when we're done.

[01:21:55] Because, like, I mean, other than making toys for my life. Does anybody tell you that you look like Adam Scott? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I did that. Yeah. I feel like, you know, we could just, like, put this, like. This big hair that I've got. I just put this, like, screenshot this and put this in the Severance podcast feed and be like, hey, huge interview coming up. Adam Scott. No, I've gotten that for quite a long time. Isn't he a Survivor fan, too? Yes. I wonder if. Yes.

[01:22:25] He's in the audience at one of the. I want to say it's the Survivor Redemption Island finale. I think you spot him in the audience. Chilling. Yeah, you're right. And so I wonder if he has ever thought that. Like. That I look like Todd? I'm sure he would say Todd looks like me. Maybe. Which is fair. But probably when he watched Survivor of China, I don't think he was famous. Well, and let's be honest. Like, that was 17 years ago. I was a tiny little twink back then. Come on. But maybe he was, too.

[01:22:57] Maybe. I guess. But I mean, that's a possibility. Yeah. I don't know, Rob. What's new with you? What's going on? Yeah. Just, I mean, for me, it's usually, you know, pretty much same old, same old. I'm like, you know, sitting in this room doing a bunch of podcasts. Who's your favorite final tribal from the new era? From the new era. Yeah. I would say, yeah. Yeah. Mary Ann had a good one. Jam Jam. Jam Jam, I think, was very good in the final tribal council also.

[01:23:26] That he said something that always sticks with me. That he said he told the jury. And nobody has, like, flipped somebody around the way that you were able to do, like with Jean Robert. But Jam Jam said that he's like, I could tell when you were lying. Because I would ask you about your love or your passion. And you would speak. And your eyes would light up. And I would look at your eyes. And then when you lie, you didn't have that sparkle in your eye.

[01:23:52] And he was able to, like, that was, he was really good in the final tribal council. Dee had that, like, moment where she is like, like, and hold on, everybody. Guess what? I duped Austin because he told me and I knew. And that was, like, a really, like, you know, checkmate moment that she had in that final tribal council. I think those were the ones that were the real standouts. Standouts that hit you.

[01:24:22] I get that. So, like, okay. From season six. But I wish they would bring back the old tribal council format. People don't talk about this enough. Do you think that might be one of the things that we get a vote on? I don't think so. What do you think of the votes? What do you think of the voting? I think the idea is wonderful. Yeah, the idea is that. But I feel like it's set up in a way to, like, please, come on. I feel like that. I look, the final four fire making, I'll concede that one.

[01:24:49] But I feel like a lot of the stuff that they're voting on, it's not really stuff that you were really, like. It's not a vote. Like, I want to have a say if there's a tribe swap. It's like, I want to have a say if there's 26 days or 39 days. You know, like, should we go back to the old final tribal council format? Like, you know, there's things that, should we have two tribes or three tribes? Like, I think that there are things that people really would like to see change. But I don't think that those things are going to be on the ballot.

[01:25:15] No, they won't be because it and the questions are pretty basic and like almost in a way of like, duh. You know, like we're going to see, should there be a loved one's visit or no? Like, obviously, if they can manage to get that deal with Fiji, it's going to be a yes. But then they're going to put it as a question. And we know what the answer will be. Like, so that's what I'm getting the feeling. Even now, the color of the buffs. I was like, these are the options that you're giving us? Like, come on now.

[01:25:42] But the old tribal council format is something that I will really argue for because I feel like that. And your season was such a great example. And, you know, Cochran was another one that did a great job at the final tribal council where it's like you get somebody up there and it's like, hey, I'm mad. Absolutely. And then it's like, okay, well, now how do I answer this person's question as opposed to like, we've all been talking.

[01:26:05] Well, not only that, but I feel like it also had the open part because they would ask a question and then we would give our opening and closing. And like people could ask questions. It was just better. It was so much better. Yeah. And so it was, it's something that I thought was really great of like, how do I like score this point with like, you know, how do I get this person's vote that I screwed over so badly?

[01:26:35] Now, am I going to be able to flip them around with my answer? And how does the person, what are they going to say? Are they going to really go off? So I think that with the, they had really big juries of like 10 people. And so it was getting like a little like long in the tooth to do it, but they've been pretty consistent that it's been eight people always in the new era. And I think that they've even kind of gone back to it a little bit, like in these last couple of seasons, it's like, it's still technically the open forum, but it's like, okay, now Q has a question.

[01:27:05] Like now, you know, now Kevin has a question now. I don't know why I'm stuck on a 46, but they, but they did do like each person has a, you know, a question these last couple of travel councils. No. And I, I liked that it's slowly going back. And I honestly, I don't know why I didn't think of it. The fact that they did have these huge juries and that's why they probably were like, let's do it. But I, please go back, please go back to it because it is so much better. We need that. And it can make or break someone's game.

[01:27:35] Right there in the end, it can change the whole thing. Yeah. I think also because of it being the final three, there would be like, you know, there's always like one or two people that are getting all the questions. And then like, there was always like a zero vote person that nobody's getting any sort of questions. You know, I think. Go back to that format, but make it, make it be that it has to be a question that each person can answer. Yeah. And then you'll get the response from everybody. Yeah.

[01:28:03] I think China is one of the only seasons where everybody in the final three got a vote. Yeah. I mean, it's very rare. Didn't Kenzie, this last one, who was third? I think it was Liz. No, I'm sorry. Ben and Ben got no votes. Oh yeah. He got none. Nevermind. Ignore what I was just trying to come up there.

[01:28:23] It doesn't happen to, I'm sure it has happened where, uh, you know, it's three different people have gotten votes, but I think out of like, however many final three, I feel like it's only like three or four times that, uh, you know, Rob's fact checker back me up on this. But I feel like it's only a very, it's a very small percentage of the time that the, uh, third person even gets a vote. And do you know what people, people will ask me like, Oh, do you wish you got more votes? And I'm like, no, like, are you kidding me?

[01:28:50] First of all, it made our final that much juicier. Second of all, all I needed was four. Thank you. That's it. Like, I don't care if I got everybody's vote. Yeah. I didn't need to be unanimous. The end. Was it four to one? Yeah. Yeah. And that was good TV. Come on now. Hey, you won by two. A lot of people only win by one. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. And unanimous votes are boring. Like nobody wants that. Yeah. Overrated. It's so boring. No, thanks.

[01:29:20] Todd, besides Survivor, The Wheel of Time, do you watch anything else? Yeah. I watch everything. I love, yeah. While I'm making pops, I watch TV. Yeah. So I see everything, but White Lotus, I'm obsessed. Yep. I love White Lotus. I watch Yellow Jackets. That's really good. Did you see the Yellow Jackets Survivor commercial? Yes. It's incredible. I love it. Like it's, it was, I mean, it's pretty cheesy, but it's awesome at the same time. I think it's great publicity right there. Like these girls are crazy.

[01:29:49] Do you watch Yellow Jackets? I don't. Oh, Rob, it is good. Yeah. Okay. It is great. It is crazy. Yeah. But it's better. Do you watch White Lotus? Yes. Yes. I podcast the White Lotus. Oh. I love to say, I love to talk like, Todd, you're not a Buddhist. Todd, no. I freaking know. Todd, don't go, don't go in the temple. It's so good. Oh, and it was the greatest episode last night too. Yes. Yes. It was good.

[01:30:19] It was so good. It was so good. I love, Mike White is a genius. It is just so wonderful. How many Mike White pop figures have you made? I've made a good hand. I've made him a pop. Oh. Like, yeah. That was like. Of himself? Yes. Yeah. It was like a highlight of my, my year when I did. Cause then I, so Angelina actually bought it for him and then sent me a picture of him holding it. And I was like. Yeah. It'd be Ned Schneebly. I love you. Yeah. So yeah, it was one. Yeah. That's a nice one. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:30:49] I love Mike White and I love White Lotus and I just give him mad praise. Yeah. All right. Well, Todd, thank you for making time to talk with us. I'm sure. I want to speak for the listeners and the viewers to say that we really, it's great to hear from you and it's great to hear that the TPS is doing so well. Thank you. Honestly, I've had a wonderful time. It's so good to be back on your podcast. Everybody loves you, Rob, and I love you too. So thank you for having me.

[01:31:19] Yeah. We'll love you too, Todd. And of course people check out the Todd's Pop Shop on Facebook. Anything else you want people to check out? You can check out my Instagram, Todd's Pop Shop. Yeah. Or Facebook. Even if you're not buying, just look at them. Just look. It's fun. I've made over 5,000 of them and there's so many to look at. Yeah. It's fun. Okay. All right. And everybody else, we're going to be back on Wednesday night with Stephen Fishback to talk about episode. No, I'm sorry. Actually, no, I'm sorry.

[01:31:47] Stephen is out this week. He's on spring break, Todd. You believe this guy? He's got to be partying it up. Yeah. Yes. But somehow, can you believe, are you surprised that Stephen hasn't retired from podcasting? I'm not surprised because it's Stephen. I love Stephen. He's a lifer. Yeah. And he loves this stuff. Yeah. He's in it. He gave out two fishies last week. What do you think of that? I think, okay, because it was between Camilla and Kyle, right? Yes. He gave them both a fishy.

[01:32:16] I think that's pretty impressive. Although I do think it was probably more deserving for Camilla. I thought so too. And I said, I don't like that you give out two fishies. He's like, well, he doesn't, he doesn't like to have to, you know, make a tough call. He just wants to say, here, you get a fishy, you get a fishy. Like, well, to me, you're devaluing the fishy when you give out two. Yes. And I'm sorry, but Camilla's the one who had the brains behind the whole operation. That's what I said.

[01:32:43] I said, if it's 51-49, give it to the person that won. Don't give out. You know what I call it? I call it a participation fishy. Yes. It's just a fish. Yeah. Okay. And not even a cool one, like an angler. No. Yeah. Hello. This is the coolest. That's the cool fishy award. But he's not going to be here on Wednesday. Omer is going to fill in for Steven. And I'm going to give out the fishy and I'm going to get it right this week, Todd.

[01:33:13] Oh, that's, I have no doubt in my mind that you will get it right. I'll give out three. And, oh, don't do that. You'll really be devaluing the fishy. Whee! Fishing machine says burr. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. We love to read. We have to say in the comments. Take care of a good one. Bye.