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[00:00:30] Welcome back to the Weekend Program here on RHAP. We Know Scripted TV. We Know Survivor 2 as we are talking about Survivor 47's mid-season here on the Weekend Program where every weekend myself, Josh Wigler, and the great Antonio Mazzaro are joining together in the attic of the RHAP Podcast Network to talk about TV, movies, anything we want in that space.
[00:01:22] We talked about the Survivor 47 premiere. When it happened, we are back with a mid-season progress report on Survivor 47 plus some looks ahead at the future of the franchise.
[00:01:35] Of course, I'm Josh. That's Antonio. Antonio, hi.
[00:01:38] Josh, we are back, but we're not just back as a podcast, the Weekend Program here talking about Survivor.
[00:01:45] You live posted about Survivor this week, Josh.
[00:01:48] I did. You would know that I have been live posting about Survivor this season on the Cursed Hell site known as X.com.
[00:02:00] Oh, I would know.
[00:02:01] But I am part, Antonio, of the recent exodus and am full-throatedly co-signing the blue sky where we had a really fun night live tweeting.
[00:02:14] Live skeeting? Do we skeet or post?
[00:02:18] Seems like a personal question. How about live skeeting? That sounds good to me.
[00:02:22] We live skeeted. We live skeeted from the sky, Antonio.
[00:02:26] Survivor 47, a bunch of people in the Survivor space made Blue Sky their exclusive home for live commentary on Survivor 47 this past week.
[00:02:37] It was a blast. I'm going to be hanging out there every Wednesday night for the rest of the season for sure.
[00:02:42] Shout out to you, Dalton Ross, Mike Bloom, leading the charge that morning saying, we're going to do this.
[00:02:47] This is happening and everybody getting on board.
[00:02:49] It was really fun to be part of something like that again and to see it happening in real time and to engage with the show that we all love and that we all pull up to like Jeff Probst likes to think we do.
[00:03:00] You know, we all go up to our living room TVs at eight o'clock on a Wednesday night waiting for Survivor to start with our snacks and our families and whatnot.
[00:03:07] For those of us who aren't doing that, pulling up and live skeeting it or watching the live skeets happen was just as sweet.
[00:03:14] So fantastic stuff.
[00:03:15] Yes. Round Howard on Blue Sky, wherever you can get them.
[00:03:19] You're like a Blue Sky pioneer.
[00:03:21] You were one of the earliest adopters.
[00:03:24] You struck oil early on.
[00:03:26] I live in the sky, baby.
[00:03:27] Yeah, that's it.
[00:03:28] Always up in the clouds.
[00:03:29] At AC Mazzaro, wherever you can get them.
[00:03:31] At AC Mazzaro on Blue Sky.
[00:03:33] It's good times.
[00:03:34] Good times.
[00:03:34] So far, like, yeah, obviously nothing gold can stay.
[00:03:37] So let's revisit this at the end of the season, as we will.
[00:03:41] Yes.
[00:03:41] Survivor, Josh.
[00:03:42] Let's come back and check in on how Survivor Blue Sky is doing.
[00:03:45] And let's say, oh, I don't know, six weeks, right?
[00:03:46] We could also just do like, is Blue Sky you still up?
[00:03:51] Blue Sky you up or did you get overrun?
[00:03:54] We could do a Blue Sky check in at the end of the season.
[00:03:56] Yes.
[00:03:56] As Antonio says, we will be back on the other side of Survivor 47 as well.
[00:04:01] So this is the second of three Survivor 47 podcasts from the weekend program, which you can subscribe to.
[00:04:07] The Weekend Program dot com is the way to subscribe to the weekend program.
[00:04:12] Once again, every single weekend, Antonio and I get together.
[00:04:15] We talk about all manner of TV.
[00:04:17] Last week, we talked about some of our comfort viewing rituals when the times are tough.
[00:04:23] Next week, we're going to be returning to one of our favorite segments here on the weekend program,
[00:04:28] the Slowpranos, as Antonio and I are slowly making our way through a Sopranos watch.
[00:04:36] We are talking about, I think, episodes six through ten of season one next week on the weekend program.
[00:04:42] And then we'll be back later on in the season, as we mentioned, to recap the end of Survivor 47.
[00:04:47] So if all that sounds fun to you, if you like listening to me and Antonio talking about things,
[00:04:52] then you're going to want to check it out, theweekendprogram.com.
[00:04:56] Antonio, midseason here on Survivor 47.
[00:05:00] How are we feeling and should we provide any kind of like recap for like a previously on Survivor 47 for anybody who's going to need such a thing?
[00:05:09] I wish I had one prepared.
[00:05:11] I would say previously on Survivor this season.
[00:05:15] Wrong answers only.
[00:05:16] Wrong answers only.
[00:05:18] Andy flamed out and Andy has been like the centerpiece of every bit of the edit since it seems like.
[00:05:23] Like the man is getting content nonstop.
[00:05:25] It has become the Andy show for me and in my household.
[00:05:29] So previous line recap for me is like when we last left Andy, he was falling apart and had fallen apart and still had managed to stay in the game.
[00:05:37] And Andy has found his footing.
[00:05:39] And now he's all that.
[00:05:40] Let him, Rachel Lee Cook.
[00:05:43] He's out here, baby Andy.
[00:05:47] Previously on Survivor, we lost our hometown hero.
[00:05:53] We did.
[00:05:54] Way too soon.
[00:05:55] We lost Asia.
[00:05:56] That was, it's been a tough season for, for podcasters, radio personalities, e-sports commentators.
[00:06:06] People with geographical place names.
[00:06:09] Yes.
[00:06:09] That's also been a difficult time for people this season.
[00:06:13] Asia versus Rome is probably some Punic war or something that happened way back in the day.
[00:06:18] I thought you were talking about the Sierra Nevada, of course.
[00:06:21] Well, again, also a problem, right?
[00:06:23] Like this is for people with place names.
[00:06:25] It's just not really worked out.
[00:06:26] So far working out for the Andes.
[00:06:29] Yes, that's true.
[00:06:30] It's different.
[00:06:31] That's a mint.
[00:06:31] That's not a place.
[00:06:32] I guess it's a place, but it's also an Andes mint.
[00:06:35] Oh my God.
[00:06:36] I've had two today already.
[00:06:37] No lie.
[00:06:38] No cap.
[00:06:38] I'm in a hotel.
[00:06:39] They have them.
[00:06:39] They're handing them out like, you know, candy.
[00:06:42] Yeah.
[00:06:42] You can just say it when it's literally that.
[00:06:45] Previously on Survivor 47, I have been very much enjoying myself.
[00:06:52] I've really liked this season so far.
[00:06:54] So have I.
[00:06:55] And I think it's a really good cast.
[00:06:58] I think people really all actively want to play.
[00:07:00] And I enjoy players that are actively playing, even if they're not necessarily always playing well, or if the moves they're making from a thousand feet away from our points of analysis or the various things that RGP does every week to break down the game.
[00:07:14] Even if those moves don't always seemingly make sense in the moment, I appreciate that people are making them.
[00:07:19] I appreciate that the game is sort of wild.
[00:07:22] We had an auction, Josh, previously on Survivor this season.
[00:07:25] We brought the auction back.
[00:07:27] We can talk about that.
[00:07:29] And I would like to talk about that with you today, how we feel about the current iterations of the auction, the rebirth of the auction and the way that it's played out.
[00:07:36] So we've done that.
[00:07:37] I've just really enjoyed watching this season of Survivor.
[00:07:40] And thinking back, I did not revisit our previous podcast, but I recall one of my feelings after the first episode of Survivor was like, this is icky.
[00:07:48] I don't like it that they keep bringing people onto Survivor and like their breakdown becomes the paramount part of the episode or the thing that we're focusing on.
[00:07:57] It's hard to watch.
[00:07:58] And I don't tune into Survivor to see the game break people.
[00:08:01] And in recent seasons, of course, there's been like quiet quits.
[00:08:04] There's been actual quits.
[00:08:06] There's been a lot of meltdowns and a lot of problems that happen early on in the game.
[00:08:10] And that does seem to be a function of like who the game is bringing on and how they're identifying who they want to bring into the game.
[00:08:18] And yet, like with Andy this season, I think we're seeing why they are OK with bringing someone who they feel could crack.
[00:08:25] Because after the crack, Andy emerged from the egg and he emerged from the egg and has blossomed and grown.
[00:08:32] And so maybe the crack is.
[00:08:34] Clearly, this is a bird that you're describing.
[00:08:37] In my mind, it was a facehugger from aliens, which was a lot creepier.
[00:08:41] Hey, lizards come out of eggs as well.
[00:08:44] You know, birds are just flying dinosaurs.
[00:08:46] Right.
[00:08:47] So there's something there's a there there.
[00:08:49] But the point I think I would make is like with the distance from the first episode, I have actually enjoyed seeing the way a story like that can actually evolve in a positive way.
[00:08:59] I think sometimes you see somebody crack and then by the time they go home, they've accepted it or they're on decent footing.
[00:09:04] And we've got maybe like a one or two episode arc of somebody who has a really hard time and has a breakdown out there and then doesn't come through.
[00:09:12] Of course, sometimes we've seen that happen where somebody is on really bad footing in the first episode.
[00:09:17] They make it all the way through.
[00:09:18] And so Survivor, this deep into Survivor, has told most of the stories in most of the ways that they can.
[00:09:24] But I have really enjoyed that this season did not really continue to focus on break or breaking and instead continue to focus on growth.
[00:09:33] I don't know how you feel, Josh, about the way that when we have a three tribe season, the way that they find a way to manage to make these tribals still very lively by mixing things up, by making sure only certain people are going to be eligible to be voted out.
[00:09:48] It seems like they found a way to extend like the more dramatic closer votes a little bit longer past the merger this season.
[00:09:56] Yeah, I don't know.
[00:09:57] I think I think that for me, once again, and maybe this is to some degree, it's a little bit of a surprise to me, Antonio, that like my my interest in I guess.
[00:10:10] So this is the first season that I'm watching live weekly in forever.
[00:10:14] You know, I've caught up on everything from the 40s.
[00:10:16] So I'm fully caught up on the show, except for the handful of Island of Idols episodes that I do not want to revisit until I really have to, if I ever have to.
[00:10:25] So I you know, a lot of the 40s blend together, but I but I've seen them all.
[00:10:29] And so my takeaway from the 40s when I returned to Survivor after a lengthy Yadis was I guess I just don't care so much about the game anymore.
[00:10:39] I care so much more just about the vibes of the season.
[00:10:43] And yet I do think this season for me, I am still very much vibes first, but I am finding myself being continuously surprised at how invested in like trying to track what's happening in the game.
[00:10:59] I am.
[00:11:00] And I think a lot of that does come down to the fact that while our HAP hometown hero podcaster Asia Welsh was eliminated early this season, we were all ready to stand all season long.
[00:11:12] And even though she's gone, I know many of us remain standing Asia.
[00:11:16] It was helpful for me that then the only really like rooting our HAP interest is our HAP patron Andy.
[00:11:25] And so every single week, Antonio, I've been walking in to my living room of choice of digital or otherwise with baby Andy's survival on my mind at all costs.
[00:11:40] And I've been rewarded with a player who is both vibes and strategy.
[00:11:46] And so like this season, I do feel like I'm kind of having my cake and eating it too in a way that I didn't expect.
[00:11:55] It's it's it's very I don't know exactly what the word is, but it's rewarding to see that you have been able to evolve the way that you appreciate the show.
[00:12:06] And I think for those of us who are longtime Survivor fans, like fans since the show either debuted or was in its very early days, it almost has to be that you have evolved the way that you enjoy the show because the show itself, the game itself has this strategy.
[00:12:22] Maybe perhaps even Josh has evolved and has evolved throughout.
[00:12:27] And we certainly are in an era now where every season being in the same place means that I think the ways that they can find to impact the game become not necessarily iterative, but maybe repetitive or maybe just like, OK, we're in an era now where it probably makes more sense to have more no votes.
[00:12:47] And if we're going to have more people not voting, then we need to find more ways to have more people have extra votes or have a stolen vote or have a vote block so that you can't take my vote away from me.
[00:12:58] It seems like that is sort of triggering to people where people are getting frustrated with the votes being played with.
[00:13:05] And my sense, although I have not participated actively in the discourse, so I will just tell you it's my sense.
[00:13:11] My sense is that people who are still so very focused on the gameplay of Survivor being extremely important to their enjoyment of the show, you can understand why like taking votes away and having that be a part of what's happening could upset people like that because those people want to sit back and they want to do the math on their own.
[00:13:29] And they want to say, OK, if this person worked with that person on that vote and then this and all that really rests on like the number of votes being the same and being sure and being comfortable.
[00:13:39] And it makes sense from a production point of view why they want to shake things up and make it not clear who has a vote when or how many people can be counted on.
[00:13:48] And they want that sort of strategy to be more live, because I think if you work backwards, what they really like from a television standpoint more than anything at this point is a live tribal council.
[00:13:59] It helps them from an editing standpoint, and I think they think it helps from a dramatic television standpoint.
[00:14:05] Right. In the third act, the audience is not going to know who is likely to go home.
[00:14:09] This is not going to be just like set in stone, easy deal, because there are so many moving parts.
[00:14:15] There's advantages, there's idols, et cetera. And that makes more for a more lively third act of any episode.
[00:14:20] It makes for a more lively tribal council. And at that point, the vibes of the players and what we as the audience have bought in as far as that goes are probably what guides like our heartstrings.
[00:14:30] Right. It's like, well, I feel good. Like even the players who I might not normally like in any given season, as far as archetypes go,
[00:14:39] if they're scrambling, if they're trying hard, like Sam is in an archetype where that player is not usually the player.
[00:14:45] That's my favorite player this season. Right. Like the young, strong, like mainstream kind of guy.
[00:14:52] And yet, does he remind you of Corey Haim or is it just me?
[00:14:59] Not until today. He hadn't. I'll tell you who he reminds me of this.
[00:15:03] I'm going to get, I'm going to get a hate mail for this one for some weekend program.
[00:15:07] R H a P at gmail.com or AC Mazzaro on blue sky.
[00:15:11] It's in the face. But if you told me that he was Kelly Clarkson's brother, I would believe.
[00:15:15] I can see that. I can for sure see that a hundred percent.
[00:15:17] Yeah. So that's who he reminds me.
[00:15:19] But I was saying like, Sam is in that archetype of a player.
[00:15:22] I don't normally like.
[00:15:23] And yet on this last episode where he realizes that the vote is lost and he sort of, he sort of divines from that conversation with Rachel that it's going to be Saul.
[00:15:34] And as soon as Rachel says, don't blow up my spot, Saul appears.
[00:15:39] He's summoned. He's like Gandalf in the Hobbit cartoon when Bilbo comes out with his little pipe and then Gandalf appears when he smells the smoke.
[00:15:47] Yeah.
[00:15:48] Saul was summoned by Rachel saying, don't blow up my game and immediately pops up.
[00:15:53] And then watching Sam try to like in real time decide, do I screw over Rachel?
[00:15:58] Do I protect myself? How do I do this?
[00:16:00] I was very intrigued by that.
[00:16:02] And I guess I don't think I would have been without all the various twists and turns that are happening in any given episode of like Survivor Fiji season 14 or whatever we're on right now.
[00:16:11] Yeah.
[00:16:12] So I'm on board.
[00:16:13] I have been and managed to switch myself to the vibes of viewing of Survivor.
[00:16:17] And I will say, and this is like no affront to any individual cast members.
[00:16:21] And I won't even say what season it was, but there was a season, I think, in the late 30s that just fully broke me in this regard.
[00:16:27] And I didn't even finish it.
[00:16:29] I just I did not finish watching the season because I truly didn't care.
[00:16:33] And at that point, like I had to get back on board with, OK, now if I'm going to care, what's that going to come from?
[00:16:40] And my love of the show and the vibes of Survivor will apparently forever stay pretty clean.
[00:16:45] And so I've stayed on board and I'm really, really, really enjoying this season.
[00:16:49] OK, so as we're talking, we are talking about Survivor 47 through the second member of the jury.
[00:17:00] This is the episode that just recently aired, episode nine titled Nightmare Fuel, which I thought that was last week, Antonio.
[00:17:12] Why did you think that was last week?
[00:17:14] I thought it was last week.
[00:17:15] For whatever reason.
[00:17:16] There were a lot of feet.
[00:17:17] There were a lot of feet in this episode.
[00:17:19] There were.
[00:17:19] There were.
[00:17:21] That could be a thing.
[00:17:22] As a as a Goutman, I was triggered.
[00:17:25] Did you have a strong feeling about a feet forward challenges, Antonio?
[00:17:30] I don't think I would perform well in them.
[00:17:33] My feet would let me down for sure.
[00:17:34] I I'm all for any challenge where they don't feel or they don't have to do anything to make it balanced so that anybody of all shapes and sizes can feel competitive.
[00:17:45] And in certain ways, I like it when, OK, X competitor might be much stronger.
[00:17:51] But this challenge is going to really demand something out of their strength because we're going to give them the same size platform for their giant strong feet as we're going to give somebody who has much smaller feet.
[00:18:01] And so let's see that strength versus like a natural advantage of a smaller size.
[00:18:06] I I appreciate when the challenges play out that way.
[00:18:09] And I do think some of these like standing or balance related challenges don't necessarily favor just the biggest and the strongest people.
[00:18:16] And I think more of that is always better.
[00:18:18] Is there something you could do to like groove your feet preseason?
[00:18:22] Like before you get out there, how do you train for a foot challenge like this?
[00:18:26] Can you like I don't know, just like really callous them?
[00:18:31] How do you make them hard as a rock and probably walking across hot coals?
[00:18:37] Yeah, just going around barefoot a lot will naturally callous your feet.
[00:18:41] I think in foot related challenges like these in particular, I think we've seen yogis do really well.
[00:18:46] Right.
[00:18:46] Because those muscles like that most people don't even know exist in a yogi are just like very strong, toned, ready to be used in a situation like this.
[00:18:56] So you might say, how can I press my ankle against the side of a board and manage to get some kind of like balance or purchase out of that?
[00:19:04] Well, if you're a yogi, your whole core and everything else in your body is intertwined and connected.
[00:19:09] And so that that sort of thing, I do think is probably good training for things like this.
[00:19:13] Just the more yoga people have done, the more stronger their base is from their feet.
[00:19:18] But as far as like callousing your feet up and roughing them up, I don't want this to be the next evolution of Survivor, Josh.
[00:19:24] We already know people are in their back.
[00:19:26] This will be covered extensively in TOES.
[00:19:29] The next evolution of Survivor, TOES.
[00:19:33] Yeah, we're doing it.
[00:19:34] Yeah.
[00:19:36] But yeah, I think we've already been in a game where we see people like Hunter building like every challenge in their backyard, right?
[00:19:42] Like making the puzzles and doing like basically doing the work of the entire dream team on his own just for fun.
[00:19:49] So what I don't want to see is giving those people license to carve up their feet.
[00:19:53] You can't like 3D print your feet.
[00:19:56] Yeah.
[00:19:57] We don't want to let these people have an idea that what I need to do before I go out to Survivor is just fuck my feet up.
[00:20:02] Just groove them.
[00:20:03] Just groove them out.
[00:20:06] It ends up being Gabe who won this challenge here, this like multi-tiered challenge.
[00:20:13] And he does like the Hakka victory dance at the end, which man would have been really cool if his immunity necklace hadn't fallen off in the middle of it.
[00:20:21] That guy was like a metaphor for Gabe.
[00:20:25] I think that is very much a Baltimore based Ray Lewis tribute.
[00:20:28] And so it's like if you're going to tribute a guy who like was pretty credibly accused of murder, maybe the necklace is going to fall off.
[00:20:34] You know, a little bit like karma there.
[00:20:36] When you're out here on Survivor, you're expected to kill it.
[00:20:40] It's a good point.
[00:20:41] We have heard that.
[00:20:42] So it's a good point.
[00:20:43] And that's probably why we haven't seen Ray Lewis out on Survivor.
[00:20:46] Not yet.
[00:20:46] We've seen other ex-NFL players.
[00:20:49] Yeah.
[00:20:49] Gabe won.
[00:20:51] I couldn't credibly accuse any Survivor castaways of murder, but I could credibly suspect quite a few.
[00:21:00] Are we talking about murder of a human?
[00:21:02] Because I know others have been credibly accused of murder of other animals.
[00:21:06] Some of these folks have buried bodies.
[00:21:09] There's no question.
[00:21:10] No question.
[00:21:11] Yep.
[00:21:11] Yep.
[00:21:12] I feel that way.
[00:21:13] Not today.
[00:21:13] Look, it's a cross section of humanity.
[00:21:15] If you pull that many people into that many things, you're just going to get some people who have done some pretty bad things.
[00:21:22] But what I was thinking.
[00:21:24] That's got a draft.
[00:21:25] We're not going to draft.
[00:21:25] We're not drafting.
[00:21:26] We would be murderers.
[00:21:27] No, I don't think so.
[00:21:28] I don't think that's what we're doing.
[00:21:29] Even though we have picks in mind.
[00:21:31] We do.
[00:21:31] Definitely.
[00:21:32] There's flashing through my mind as we speak.
[00:21:37] My thought was when this challenge was being described at the start of the episode,
[00:21:41] that this challenge specifically just feels like one of those, like the Parvati type just destroys the competition in a challenge like this.
[00:21:52] So I was really just waiting for Mother, for Genevieve, who I think is survivor mother this season, to take it.
[00:22:02] Now, Genevieve, who I know you cannot seem to get past calling her Genevieve offline.
[00:22:08] So I want to get ahead of that, that if Antonio says Genevieve, he means Genevieve.
[00:22:13] Yeah.
[00:22:14] It's just that consider me to be like Tony, right?
[00:22:17] You know, or like it's a Kim Sprodlin situation.
[00:22:19] I just can't help but say Genevieve.
[00:22:22] Is she mother to you?
[00:22:23] I know Genevives who go by Genevieve.
[00:22:25] That's the problem.
[00:22:26] She's a lawyer.
[00:22:27] Mother to you?
[00:22:28] She's a lawyer.
[00:22:29] So I have a lot of respect for a lawyer who can go on that game and like not immediately be ruled out because they're a lawyer and also not immediately become like an abrasive asshole personality type because they're a lawyer, which is almost guaranteed.
[00:22:42] So first and foremost, like I have a lot of respect for her as a colleague, as a learned colleague, somebody else in the legal game and looking at what she's doing and saying, OK, she's really downplayed that aspect of her personality.
[00:22:54] To the point Kyle on this episode is saying Genevieve or Genevieve.
[00:22:58] He doesn't say Genevieve either.
[00:23:00] He says Genevieve.
[00:23:01] Genevieve, I don't consider her really a strategic player in this game.
[00:23:04] And like, meanwhile, she's orchestrating the boots left and right, like getting what she wants a week, like last week, this week, and really like zigzagging throughout the game as like just above it all.
[00:23:17] Even though I don't like so as a viewer and as a person who is wanting to appreciate like a good game player, she's a little messy this week where she says I'm going for Saul just because I'm petty because he tried to get my ally Rome out.
[00:23:31] And it's like, wait a minute, Genevieve.
[00:23:33] I watched the season like I'm not on your team for doing like let's avenge Rome work.
[00:23:38] OK, like that's not what I'm here for.
[00:23:40] So so that part is like I can't buy in entirely, but I have a lot of respect for how she's playing the game.
[00:23:47] And I think she's very well suited to go much further than she already has.
[00:23:51] And I'm excited to see how that plays out, because look, I mean, if if we have a narrative where she does make it to the end of the season or she wins the season, which to me seems like very possible at this point, then we have a winner who we can look back and say, oh, yeah, this winner really shaped the game.
[00:24:08] Like she really shaped the game.
[00:24:10] So if we are shaping up to have Genevieve win, like we're going to have a great winner.
[00:24:28] A thing that I wanted to touch on as we're sort of like freewheeling through all of the survivor we haven't talked about since we talked about the premiere.
[00:24:37] I the way in which the storytelling risks of survivor have have whether you want to call them evolved, certainly have changed since my time presiding over the show.
[00:24:52] Certainly earlier in this season.
[00:24:54] So Genevieve is all but completely invisible through the first three episodes.
[00:25:00] Right.
[00:25:01] She basically doesn't exist.
[00:25:02] If she has a confessional, I don't really remember it.
[00:25:04] You remember better than I do that.
[00:25:07] There was some talk about Asia wanting to go after Genevieve during the Asia boot episode.
[00:25:13] I don't really remember any of that just because it was a tough night for our HAP.
[00:25:17] It's the next episode.
[00:25:20] The episode where Keishan goes, where Genevieve has like this montage sequence of like piecing all of his plans together and all of these various things that are falling into place that are erasing her narrative and her agency in this season.
[00:25:36] And this is really where Genevieve comes online.
[00:25:40] If Genevieve goes on to win the season without having really spoken much at all, if at all in those first three episodes and only activating once it's a boat that she is resting control over.
[00:25:54] Do you like that?
[00:25:56] How is that fitting in terms of like your enjoyment of like how survivors?
[00:26:01] I don't even know if it's fair to say, like starting to get like cute in the storytelling, but it's definitely like a cute storytelling choice.
[00:26:09] I feel good about it.
[00:26:10] I will tell you, I spent a lot of time, enjoyable time, I might add, out in those survivor streets, right?
[00:26:15] Talking to other survivor fans about edits, about things like edgic, about things like, oh, well, this confessional being given to that person really matters.
[00:26:23] And so if the show has advanced beyond being so heavy handed and obvious with its edits that like amateur prognosticators at home can read the tea leaves, then we're in much better shape, in my opinion.
[00:26:37] And I especially think we're in better shape, in my opinion, if we've done that and we found a way to do that without just reacting entirely in the opposite.
[00:26:46] Like they have not in any respect buried Genevieve in this game.
[00:26:50] Maybe in the first three episodes, she doesn't get as much time.
[00:26:53] But of course, the yellow tribe goes to tribal in the first episode.
[00:26:56] The blue tribe goes to tribal in the second episode.
[00:26:58] And then there is the Asia boot, which it isn't necessarily Genevieve's boot.
[00:27:03] That is true.
[00:27:04] But we don't need to show her having agency over a boot that wasn't hers.
[00:27:07] We don't need to telegraph that she could win the season by making that sort of thing the focus of the Asia boot.
[00:27:15] And so if Genevieve didn't play a major role in that and that wasn't her move, we don't need to edit that into the story.
[00:27:21] If later she's going to do big things that we can portray and we still can make a winner story out of.
[00:27:27] So I'm all on board with all of that.
[00:27:29] And you're right.
[00:27:30] Like it is episode three where Asia goes home.
[00:27:33] And then it's episode four where Keyshawn goes home.
[00:27:35] And that is the Genevieve move.
[00:27:37] And then, of course, like, no, she she was involved in the Rome boot.
[00:27:41] Like she played well.
[00:27:42] She got on board like she wasn't like completely snowed as to what was happening there.
[00:27:47] But as we see, that's still something that she's carried with her later being angry about.
[00:27:52] And then when we get to the merge, such that it is, of course, the idea of a merge on this season was just sort of a joke.
[00:27:59] It's like we're not merged yet.
[00:28:00] You don't get your buffs.
[00:28:01] Oh, wait, only one person is immune and everyone else is going to vote.
[00:28:05] So we're not but we're not merged.
[00:28:07] Anyway, Sierra goes home last week.
[00:28:09] And when we begin this week's episode, that's credited to Genevieve.
[00:28:13] Like that's Genevieve's move.
[00:28:14] Yeah, as according to the previously on.
[00:28:16] So everything is like there's the material is there where if Genevieve wins the season, I'm not going to have felt cheated because Rob was making jokes at the beginning of the season saying who's Genevieve?
[00:28:27] Because we know who Genevieve is now.
[00:28:30] And I think that's what's important.
[00:28:32] Yeah.
[00:28:33] Genevieve's target and eventually the target of everybody at this tribal, despite Sam Hames best efforts here.
[00:28:44] It's Saul.
[00:28:46] Better call Saul, Antonio.
[00:28:49] Saul gone.
[00:28:50] Saul gone here.
[00:28:51] Did you have a big Saul take?
[00:28:53] He was a really beloved figure out here, I think, in the survivor Skeeterati.
[00:29:00] People were really, really sad to see Saul go home.
[00:29:05] I'm on board with Skeet, but I am not on board with Skeeterati.
[00:29:08] I'm going to make it happen.
[00:29:10] Sounds like something someone would like a racist name.
[00:29:13] Someone would have called me as a child.
[00:29:15] Skeeterati.
[00:29:16] Oh, man.
[00:29:17] I believe that is Doug Funny's best friend's last name is Adi.
[00:29:21] Yeah.
[00:29:22] Yeah.
[00:29:22] Yeah.
[00:29:23] Saul, beloved figure.
[00:29:25] A real vibes player for me.
[00:29:27] He beats out.
[00:29:29] You know, he wins against Rome in the battle of Saul versus Rome, even if he never gets to have the satisfaction of casting his vote for Rome.
[00:29:39] He has a couple of moments in the previous episodes, like finding that advantage, sending it off to Rachel.
[00:29:47] It seemed like Saul and Andy were building something.
[00:29:50] It seemed like Saul was building something with Rachel.
[00:29:53] All for not.
[00:29:54] All for Saul to be the one who goes home.
[00:29:57] Saul in the wound, Antonio, or Saul long farewell with fondness in our hearts?
[00:30:05] How are you feeling?
[00:30:06] I enjoyed Saul.
[00:30:07] Saul.
[00:30:07] I am frustrated that Saul went home.
[00:30:10] Certainly, if you asked me like in order of my favoritism, who would have been booted this week?
[00:30:15] It wouldn't have been Saul.
[00:30:16] He wouldn't have been the person who was my number one, like my number one boy, like the number one in our number one in our program and in our hearts guy.
[00:30:25] But I enjoyed Saul in this season.
[00:30:27] And I felt particularly personally aggrieved by what Rome was doing that affected Saul and how upset Saul was with all of that.
[00:30:35] And this is why ultimately this is why Asia died early because of Saul, right?
[00:30:41] Because she was unwilling to flip on Saul and unwilling to just do whatever it took.
[00:30:45] Because I think Asia, I read some of her postgame stuff.
[00:30:49] I certainly read her with Mike Bloom talking about like, well, I recognize like if Saul went home that week, I was the next target.
[00:30:56] You were taking away my partner.
[00:30:58] Everyone else was paired in two.
[00:30:59] So I was done at that point.
[00:31:01] I think I'm paraphrasing Asia there, but she basically recognized that, OK, well, if we send Saul home, then I'm next.
[00:31:07] And where does that get me?
[00:31:08] And so maybe that same situation is why Saul game stalls out at this point.
[00:31:14] It's interesting to me that he was the target this week from Genevieve's perspective.
[00:31:20] As I said, the show made it seem like, yeah, there was a little bit of pettiness there.
[00:31:24] But I think it's considering what that she's early, she's Lavo and considering the power of the Tukou members that seem to be left in the game and the connectedness of the Tukou alliance for Genevieve to say, got a one week.
[00:31:40] Sierra's gone.
[00:31:40] And then Lavo next week, Saul's gone.
[00:31:43] Then it's just I'm really curious to see how the rest of this game plays out for Genevieve having made these moves because she's eliminated a yellow tribe member.
[00:31:53] Now she's eliminated one of her fellow red tribe members.
[00:31:56] And so where does that get them as opposed to taking on the Tukou and the force that is there in the rest of that game?
[00:32:03] She says in passing in this episode, basically like, well, Kyle and Sam are going to keep going at it like that's going to stay in the game.
[00:32:10] So we don't have to worry about that for a while.
[00:32:13] Like those two are still going to be the big things that are there for people to look at as potential targets.
[00:32:20] So we can get Saul out now and undo that.
[00:32:23] I like the idea that Sam had about going after Sue for the reasons that Sam had, because Sue was better situated as far as like being quiet and being connected and being insulated and being protected.
[00:32:36] Like if you don't get Sue out surprisingly in a moment like that, Sue is there for the long haul.
[00:32:41] And then what do you do about that?
[00:32:42] When are you going to get Sue out if not now?
[00:32:45] So I kind of felt that Sam might have had the better feeling on that.
[00:32:49] And that wasn't just my heartstrings wanting to see Saul stick around a couple more episodes.
[00:32:53] I enjoyed having Saul on screen.
[00:32:56] Look, I mean, Saul is closer to my age than most survivor contestants typically are.
[00:33:01] And seeing somebody close to my age who can get out there, have no issues, play a good game.
[00:33:05] I'm definitely team Saul.
[00:33:07] Sad to see him go.
[00:33:08] But interested to see him go in light of, as I was saying, what that could mean for weeks to come.
[00:33:13] Well, luckily, you also still have a fellow mid-40s contestant here on Survivor in Sue.
[00:33:20] Oh, yes, of course.
[00:33:22] Yes.
[00:33:22] You and I basically.
[00:33:24] Police lineup.
[00:33:25] You couldn't tell us apart.
[00:33:27] Still have some representation there.
[00:33:29] Just looking at the numbers, I'm just like, I'm really trying to put my strategy hat back on.
[00:33:36] It doesn't fit as seamlessly as the wombat hat, which was always vibes.
[00:33:40] But just looking at this right now, so there's three Gata left.
[00:33:43] There's four Tuku left.
[00:33:45] Two Lavo.
[00:33:46] Lavo's got maneuverability, but they really probably need to take a shot at one of these Tukus.
[00:33:51] Otherwise, they're really giving the game over to Tuku if Tuku just wants to stick together.
[00:33:56] That's Sue, Kyle, Gabe, and Caroline who are still together from Tuku.
[00:34:00] But it seems like Sue really wants to kill Kyle.
[00:34:03] She's got a real grudge against Kyle, and that might blind her here a bit.
[00:34:07] But the other players do recognize that.
[00:34:09] I mean, we hear other players speaking about that, that Sue would be glad to kill Kyle.
[00:34:14] And we hear Sue say it, of course.
[00:34:16] But that's still then a big three with Sue, Caroline, and Gabe.
[00:34:19] And the other issue is Genevieve's move here.
[00:34:22] The way that this happened with Saul.
[00:34:24] Teenie is bawling.
[00:34:25] She might have a teeny problem.
[00:34:26] She could have a big teeny problem, potentially, because Teenie has just been like Teenie is such
[00:34:32] an endearing player.
[00:34:33] I really love Teenie.
[00:34:36] So likable.
[00:34:37] So likable.
[00:34:38] Incredibly likable.
[00:34:39] And a great character on this show.
[00:34:44] Every single vote seems to have just not really gone Teenie's way.
[00:34:50] And Teenie's increasing cascade of frustration and hardship in that regard is a very satisfying
[00:34:57] thing to watch as a viewer if there is some sort of uppercut coming from Teenie on the other
[00:35:05] side of it.
[00:35:06] It could just be a straight tragedy.
[00:35:09] And it could be like Teenie continues to trust Genevieve only for like, you don't trust the
[00:35:15] penguin, right?
[00:35:16] Like you don't trust the penguin.
[00:35:18] Yeah.
[00:35:18] The penguin's going to take you.
[00:35:19] Are you calling her that because she's from Canada?
[00:35:22] That's right.
[00:35:23] You don't trust the penguin from Canada.
[00:35:24] Might be a little bit of you there.
[00:35:27] You know, you don't you don't trust Oz Cobb, right?
[00:35:30] Like Oz Cobb's not taking you all the way at the top.
[00:35:33] So I hope that Teenie could figure that out at some point in time, even if Genevieve does
[00:35:37] authentically want to keep working with Teenie.
[00:35:39] And Genevieve's like idea here to some extent maybe is like, let's Matt sing ourselves.
[00:35:45] Let's reduce our threat level.
[00:35:47] It's just the two of us.
[00:35:48] We can swing through the rest of the game.
[00:35:50] Just Teenie has been jilted enough times that what I could really see and would be worried
[00:35:55] about for Genevieve insofar as like I would be worried for Genevieve is Genevieve treating
[00:36:02] Teenie the way that Sam and Sierra treated baby Andy.
[00:36:06] Like that could really come back to bite her potentially.
[00:36:09] Yeah.
[00:36:10] Like who else do you have in this game?
[00:36:12] What are you going to do without me?
[00:36:14] You're just going to let the two coup roll this.
[00:36:16] So we have to work together.
[00:36:18] Even if you can make a case for it being in someone's best interest to do something, if
[00:36:23] you've burned them enough times, like it doesn't matter what their best interest is.
[00:36:26] They're going to act against it.
[00:36:28] And if we need any more lesson about that sort of thing, we could just look around us
[00:36:32] at the discourse, at everything that's going on and recognize that people don't always
[00:36:37] act in what we might deem as their best interest if things have gone really badly for them
[00:36:41] or if they feel particularly aggrieved.
[00:36:44] And certainly Teenie has every reason to feel that way, right?
[00:36:47] Every reason to feel that way with the way these votes have gone down, but specifically
[00:36:51] with regard to the Sol vote, because three Lavo, a strong three Lavo in a game where they
[00:36:58] just got out Sierra and where Andy has flipped away from Gata means that Lavo could be in
[00:37:04] a power position if the three of them were willing to work together and take on Andy or
[00:37:09] maybe get sued to vote out Kyle or however you want to do this.
[00:37:13] They're in a power position.
[00:37:14] And what Genevieve has done with that is said, you know what?
[00:37:17] I acknowledge that that's a power position.
[00:37:19] We could go with that.
[00:37:21] But I feel pretty powerful anyway.
[00:37:23] And I feel I don't need that as my power position.
[00:37:25] And I feel I can do other things, which is all well and good.
[00:37:28] But Teenie being aggrieved about that is one, correct and appropriate.
[00:37:33] And two, not something that you can account for or control.
[00:37:36] It's not something that can be put in a number and quantify.
[00:37:39] We have no idea how Teenie might react to being burned in the way that she has been,
[00:37:44] in the ways, in the people that have burned her.
[00:37:46] And the tears at Tribal Council tell me that's not an easy thing to be rectified.
[00:37:52] And the Genevieve is in a decent spot of trouble here, especially like standing there lying to Teenie's face about it.
[00:37:58] So that's rough.
[00:38:00] That was really rough.
[00:38:01] And you're right.
[00:38:02] Like Teenie is so rootable, so likable.
[00:38:04] You know, just somebody in their early 20s who is earnest and is trying hard and is very likable and decent.
[00:38:11] And the game is chewing them up and spitting them out.
[00:38:14] And that's that's tough to watch.
[00:38:15] But I really do hope the uppercut is coming.
[00:38:18] There is some moment for Teenie where the game just doesn't end in entirely in frustration.
[00:38:24] Fortune's rising, at least I think as far as visibility and having some narrative weight, if not, you know, strategic weight, though.
[00:38:31] She's certainly been at the center of a couple of very interesting moments across these past three votes.
[00:38:38] Rachel.
[00:38:40] Saul gives Rachel the safety without power.
[00:38:43] She's able to bail when it seemed like all guns were trained on her.
[00:38:47] Rachel finds an idol.
[00:38:49] She doesn't even use it.
[00:38:50] She plays a shot in the dark instead.
[00:38:52] Instead, Rachel is the one who has Genevieve's ear enough to find out about the Saul vote, though.
[00:38:59] That was a really unnecessary move on Genevieve's part that actually really mucked things up.
[00:39:05] Right.
[00:39:05] Like she had the numbers locked for that Saul vote and really didn't need to tell Rachel, who then tells Sam, who then tells Saul and all hell breaks loose.
[00:39:13] Rachel is starting to seem like a bit of a fulcrum player to me.
[00:39:16] Is she pinging for you?
[00:39:18] Yes.
[00:39:18] Part of why I'm feeling so positively about this season is I think there are a half dozen or so people who I feel like have really had some just some strategic input, some real evidence that they have a game that is viable.
[00:39:34] And I certainly think Rachel's game is viable.
[00:39:37] She is definitely popping for me.
[00:39:38] She's popped for a while.
[00:39:39] She's popped from before when other players were telling me, like, I'm scared of Rachel.
[00:39:45] She's the real threat right around the time of the quote unquote merger.
[00:39:49] I still like to call it the merger because of Borneo.
[00:39:51] Yeah.
[00:39:51] So right around the time of the merger, the the idea that all the other players like Caroline, I think, are looking at Rachel and being like, yeah, we got to get her out.
[00:40:02] She's tough.
[00:40:02] And then, of course, like the moment of the season so far, arguably, is the safety without power moment.
[00:40:07] Is that knowing that that bomb could go off, that fuse was lit where Saul just by virtue of being a sort of a layabout, just rolling over to the side and seeing that idol or advantage to the safety without power option right there at his side, not even having to look for it was so fantastic.
[00:40:24] And then, of course, it's just like, well, everyone on Tuco is there and Rachel.
[00:40:29] He's got to give Rachel safety without power.
[00:40:31] This is going to be great.
[00:40:32] She's going to walk away in the middle of tribal.
[00:40:34] And that's exactly what happened.
[00:40:35] And so even before that, like before she got swapped into that mode, she's certainly been on my mind as one to watch.
[00:40:43] And no reason to feel any differently after this episode as well, separate and apart from the Saul boot.
[00:40:49] The fact that at the beginning of the episode, the aftermath of Sierra going home is presented through like the lens of Andy saying like, I flipped.
[00:40:58] I'm a certified flipper now.
[00:41:00] This is what I do.
[00:41:01] And yeah, I can go back and I can make nice with my God of folks.
[00:41:04] But then we have that extended sequence of he and Rachel remembering and showing us the moments they had from the very beginning of the game when Andy is blowing up her game and melting down and causing issues and making her feel uncomfortable, which was so icky to see that the two of them at the beginning of this episode are like, we've been circling each other this whole game.
[00:41:25] We need to work together.
[00:41:27] And then they did work together on this vote, but like that wasn't the story of this vote.
[00:41:32] Genevieve was the story of this vote.
[00:41:34] And so for Rachel and Andy to have that long montage about how they have almost worked together if they've been circling one another and have that not really be the story of the Saul boot tells me that's content for later.
[00:41:45] And I'm excited to see what that content for later looks like, because those are both players, Rachel and Andy, who have gotten a lot of content like that that makes me feel like they could be in it for the long haul as well.
[00:41:57] So I'm very interested to see if the two of them cook up something massive.
[00:42:01] Maybe they're responsible for the downfall of Genevieve.
[00:42:03] Maybe that's a thing that's coming.
[00:42:05] I'm really tracking that not just for Andy, but especially for Rachel.
[00:42:09] Yeah.
[00:42:09] Yeah.
[00:42:09] I think that that's a good call.
[00:42:11] And I feel like especially like the like the full like recap within the episode of Andy and Rachel's arc through the season.
[00:42:18] That's feels like why is that there if like their relationship actually doesn't even matter that much for the rest of this episode?
[00:42:27] So definitely feels like we are setting something up there and I wouldn't be surprised to see the two of them in some combination of the final few people left in the season.
[00:42:38] Rapid fire on a couple of these other people here who we haven't mentioned.
[00:42:43] We haven't talked a ton about about Kyle, who got all those chicken wings that he couldn't really eat.
[00:42:51] Do you think he was just taking shots of blue cheese?
[00:42:54] Vegan Kyle?
[00:42:58] Should Jeff have been like, hey, you can trade this like that's not what we should have done.
[00:43:03] Buffalo cauliflower.
[00:43:04] This isn't I I had visions of big Tom and Ethan dancing in my.
[00:43:09] Yeah, he can't eat the wings.
[00:43:10] He can't.
[00:43:11] He's a big and he can't.
[00:43:12] He can't eat it.
[00:43:13] I feel so bad for him, but he can't eat it.
[00:43:16] Yeah.
[00:43:18] Yeah.
[00:43:19] So very survivor, though, like Jeff is, you know, a commitment to the bit.
[00:43:24] Right.
[00:43:24] Yeah.
[00:43:25] This is a survivor, baby.
[00:43:26] Eat a wing.
[00:43:27] Yeah.
[00:43:27] Do it.
[00:43:28] Rein in.
[00:43:28] Break your promise and your morals.
[00:43:30] Yeah.
[00:43:31] So Kyle is a player who has sort of put himself, you know, bricked himself into a corner.
[00:43:37] But has he?
[00:43:38] I mean, he didn't even get a single vote.
[00:43:40] He didn't get a single vote, which is, of course, interesting.
[00:43:44] The suggestion seems to be, well, he'll lose again and we'll get him that time.
[00:43:48] And when we get him that time, it will be him and not me.
[00:43:51] So why not do this?
[00:43:52] Why not get somebody who later you might say, oh, I'd rather have Genevieve out than Saul.
[00:43:57] Well, right.
[00:43:57] It's all out now.
[00:43:58] So you don't get to make that choice later because you're deciding between Genevieve
[00:44:01] and Kyle.
[00:44:02] And so, like, I don't think he does still have to win out.
[00:44:06] But we've seen Mike Holloway do it.
[00:44:07] Like, we've seen players kind of really from about this position in the game find idols
[00:44:13] and win and bottom their way to the top.
[00:44:16] So could Kyle do that?
[00:44:17] I think he could.
[00:44:18] But I just I just don't feel it.
[00:44:20] I don't sense it.
[00:44:20] It's not in my gut.
[00:44:21] It's not in the vibes of the season.
[00:44:23] I think next time he loses, he will probably be the one who goes home.
[00:44:26] And I thought maybe that was going to happen this week.
[00:44:29] After all, I thought, OK, well, the obvious boot is so obvious.
[00:44:32] Yeah, they're disguising it behind all of this Mishigas.
[00:44:34] Well, that wasn't the case.
[00:44:36] That wasn't the case.
[00:44:36] That's what I thought.
[00:44:37] But yeah, I thought that and we can do that with Kyle again, if that's what happens again.
[00:44:41] But I think the next time it happens, it's Kyle's time.
[00:44:44] I guess I'm realizing that the ones we haven't talked about are all Tuku, basically.
[00:44:48] Sue, you got a big Sue take?
[00:44:51] No.
[00:44:51] So her her idol hunt from earlier the season was just an incredible comedy of errors.
[00:44:57] Just unbelievable.
[00:44:59] More like idols covered in blood, please.
[00:45:03] Yeah.
[00:45:04] Great, great gag.
[00:45:05] Hilarious gag.
[00:45:06] And doesn't like other players noticed it, right?
[00:45:09] Like this has been once they got to the beach and saw the red paint and they're remembering
[00:45:12] like when someone found the evidence and then the players who had noticed the red on
[00:45:16] her remembered that they were it was noticed.
[00:45:18] But like the fact that Sue has this idol doesn't seem to be a reason anyone is coming for her
[00:45:23] and it doesn't seem to be a major part of the narrative or discourse.
[00:45:26] She's done a very good.
[00:45:28] I love that Sue, Caroline and Gabe alliance.
[00:45:32] And so I'll take this opportunity to talk about Caroline and Gabe as well.
[00:45:35] Sure.
[00:45:35] I really like that alliance from the rip.
[00:45:38] And when that alliance was formed in the first episode, basically, I think my thought
[00:45:43] was like, OK, that's such a unique alliance and such a specific alliance.
[00:45:47] And we're seeing that at this point, like that really is an alliance that feels like
[00:45:51] it is built to last.
[00:45:53] Gabe, obviously, early on the game, early in that and that same time period, there was
[00:45:57] a little messiness to Gabe making noises, being clear that he was looking for things.
[00:46:01] But that obviously did not stick to him.
[00:46:03] It did not come back to bite him.
[00:46:05] I really like that alliance of three.
[00:46:07] I think Gabe did a fantastic job insulating himself with those two.
[00:46:11] Sue, Sue, in this episode, is seen saying like, Gabe can't go home.
[00:46:15] Like then my game is completely shot.
[00:46:17] It cannot be Gabe.
[00:46:19] And so I have a feeling that that alliance is important for Caroline as well.
[00:46:24] And so like that alliance is a big story of the season for me as sort of like underpinnings
[00:46:29] or as undercurrents that I really like the season.
[00:46:32] And one of the reasons I like it is that's just another one of the stories that is there
[00:46:37] in this season that I'm waiting to see what the ultimate payoff is, just like
[00:46:41] Andy and Rachel, or just like Andy overall, or just like the bubbling presence of Genevieve
[00:46:47] or, you know, the other things that are going on with Teenie and the story we talked about
[00:46:51] there.
[00:46:52] There's a lot of these vibes things that we're talking about.
[00:46:54] I can't wait to see what that alliance ultimately can do.
[00:46:58] And they'll have a massive target on their back.
[00:47:00] Even if Kyle goes, there's still three at that point.
[00:47:02] And if they stick together, it's going to be hard to get them out numbers wise.
[00:47:05] So good on them for playing the game as well as they have.
[00:47:08] And as quietly as they have as a three, because I think it has really inert to their benefit.
[00:47:14] Maybe a hot take, but short of obviously Asia and then Andy should Andy choose to want to
[00:47:22] spend future time behind a microphone.
[00:47:23] My prediction for who among the survivor 47 cast gets featured on podcasts about survivor in the future,
[00:47:35] the most moving forward, like in the RHAP family, who's going to be part of the regular rotation?
[00:47:41] Who are you going to see in like these blood on the clock towers from this season moving forward?
[00:47:47] Give me Caroline.
[00:47:48] I think Caroline.
[00:47:50] I think it's going to be Caroline.
[00:47:51] I think we're going to see more Caroline.
[00:47:53] She's so supportive.
[00:47:54] She would be great in any of these games because she'd just be supporting everybody that was playing.
[00:47:58] I think she's got great strategic acumen.
[00:48:00] And I really like how she breaks down the game and stuff like that.
[00:48:02] So I would really love to hear her as a commentator.
[00:48:05] I think it would be very fun.
[00:48:06] Me too.
[00:48:06] And she reminds me of Emily Deschanel from Bones.
[00:48:09] That's who she looks like.
[00:48:10] Yeah, you do say that.
[00:48:10] Forensic anthropologist, famously Caroline Gidmar.
[00:48:13] Yeah.
[00:48:13] I love that.
[00:48:14] I love that.
[00:48:17] Because he is already a content creator.
[00:48:18] But I like Caroline as an answer there.
[00:48:21] I've really enjoyed.
[00:48:22] Look, sometimes in a three tribe season, what you see, and we know this from a strategic perspective
[00:48:27] and from the way things have evolved throughout Survivor.
[00:48:30] If your tribe goes through a lot of adversity before the merger and you get rid of a lot of
[00:48:35] chaff, you get rid of a lot of people, but you form a very tight bond through all of that
[00:48:40] work, through all of that trust that you have to stick with in getting rid of people left
[00:48:45] and right.
[00:48:46] That can sometimes mean that you do really well once the game comes together because you,
[00:48:51] more than anybody in the game, have this like established base of trust.
[00:48:55] And also, you're probably not coming in with a lot of numbers, but you've got the numbers
[00:48:59] that you can really rely on.
[00:49:00] And the three of you can stick together or the two of you can stick together and then
[00:49:04] you can really impact the game.
[00:49:05] And Tuku did not really suffer that kind of adversity.
[00:49:08] The Tiana boot was so rough after that safety without power moment because they were all
[00:49:13] crying.
[00:49:13] Like they weren't great with it.
[00:49:15] Like it was like, it was not what they had wanted to do at that time and in that moment.
[00:49:20] And so they had not really gone through a ton of adversity.
[00:49:24] I think the red tribe would have been the tribe to say, okay, that's the tribe where now
[00:49:27] when they come together, maybe Saul and Tini and Genevieve will be like a very tight three.
[00:49:33] Of course, we know that's not true.
[00:49:36] But props to Tuku, props to those three for keeping their alliance that they form basically
[00:49:41] at the beginning of the game as still something that they can continue to trust and value
[00:49:45] that deeply this late in the game.
[00:49:47] Good for them.
[00:49:48] Antonio, you mentioned earlier that earlier in this season, in fact, just a week ago, we
[00:49:55] had the second of the new era, Survivor Auction.
[00:50:01] How are you feeling about the Survivor Auction these days?
[00:50:05] I will say my one thing, and I want to know how you feel about the Survivor Auction.
[00:50:10] My one thing is it felt like this season, the auction was, okay, who got the least amount
[00:50:15] of money?
[00:50:17] Okay, well, one of you is going to be screwed and the other one's going to be screwed too.
[00:50:20] And the least the money was basically just how much they found in the jungle.
[00:50:24] It didn't feel like there were enough opportunities in the auction for people to make actual decision
[00:50:28] points.
[00:50:29] It was just like, everybody's going to spend however much they found.
[00:50:32] And if you didn't find enough, then you're going to be last on the train of how much you
[00:50:35] can spend and you're kind of screwed.
[00:50:37] So the strategy of the way the auction played out this year didn't hit as well for me.
[00:50:42] But Josh, like you as a longtime Survivor, commentator, contributor, somebody who has
[00:50:48] been deep in this game, you kind of disappeared when the auction started to dip a little bit.
[00:50:53] And now it's back and you're back.
[00:50:56] I got to imagine you're feeling great to have you.
[00:50:58] You think I did this?
[00:50:59] I don't think you did it, but I got to imagine you're feeling great.
[00:51:02] Did you summon it?
[00:51:03] I don't know if I didn't put it in my summoning circle.
[00:51:05] I had other things in my summoning circle that have panned out, which has been nice.
[00:51:10] But of course, you want to say more about those things?
[00:51:12] Nope.
[00:51:13] Nope.
[00:51:13] All of those are for offline off my I didn't think so.
[00:51:16] I didn't think so.
[00:51:17] That's a, you know, I'm a pizza.
[00:51:18] Maybe we'll talk.
[00:51:19] I love the auction vibes, especially that the auction in what was it?
[00:51:25] 45 was when it came back.
[00:51:28] I think the first time, if I'm getting that right.
[00:51:31] And the fact that that one had no, no, no, no, no advantages, nothing.
[00:51:39] And him might be Jeff being up front with that.
[00:51:41] And then this time there is an advantage.
[00:51:43] It's scrolled away in a French fry bowl.
[00:51:46] And so like, how can you plan for that?
[00:51:49] I guess.
[00:51:49] So did that break the auction for like a third auction?
[00:51:53] I hope not.
[00:51:54] I haven't thought hard or listened to enough people talking about like the ways in which
[00:51:59] maybe this exploits the auction moving forward.
[00:52:02] But I feel like one French fry, one bad French fry doesn't spoil the whole bowl.
[00:52:09] Antonio.
[00:52:09] No, I don't mind.
[00:52:10] I don't mind that.
[00:52:11] I did.
[00:52:12] I did mind.
[00:52:12] Like, so I like the idea of the auction.
[00:52:14] They've brought it back.
[00:52:15] Right.
[00:52:15] As you said, I think it's survivor 45.
[00:52:18] And I like the random number between six and 15, because I like that you can't when you're
[00:52:24] there game out exactly how many items are going to be there.
[00:52:26] So when you're going to spend your money, do this, do that.
[00:52:29] I do think like having the person with the highest amount of money left at the end, losing
[00:52:33] their vote is an interesting tweak as well.
[00:52:36] Right.
[00:52:36] So that's a good thing.
[00:52:37] I don't mind the lost votes.
[00:52:39] I know other people have some feelings about the lost votes.
[00:52:42] And I think, Josh, my take ultimately is that if we're going to do lost votes, we just need
[00:52:47] to do more of those things.
[00:52:48] As I was saying earlier, let's have more vote doublers.
[00:52:50] Let's have more block of a lose vote.
[00:52:52] Let's let's reward those little things as advantages instead of maybe necessarily giving
[00:52:58] people just like immunity idols that are good through the end of the game.
[00:53:00] And I think they've adapted and adjusted the impact of idols in the game a lot.
[00:53:05] And I'm not really complaining about that, but I don't really have a problem with the
[00:53:09] vote counts not being static.
[00:53:11] And I like that being tied to the auction.
[00:53:14] I just like I said, I don't like the outcome just ultimately being how much money people
[00:53:18] found in the woods or the tubes that they find with the money in them basically determining
[00:53:24] how that all played out.
[00:53:26] I do wish there was a little more fluidity within the auction to maybe discourage people
[00:53:30] from just bidding all their money on each individual item.
[00:53:32] I don't know how you do that, and maybe we could spend some time later or another time
[00:53:37] figuring that sort of thing out.
[00:53:39] But I'm happy to see it back.
[00:53:41] And I do think my main complaints about the way it was before have definitely been alleviated.
[00:53:45] And I don't mind that an idol or an advantage might be an a random treat.
[00:53:50] Everybody's trying to buy something.
[00:53:52] So somebody randomly gets lucky and gets one.
[00:53:54] So be it.
[00:53:55] I don't have a problem with that.
[00:53:56] All right, Antonio.
[00:53:57] Well, what do you think if we do a little weekend program auction at this moment in the podcast?
[00:54:05] Are you up for a little mini auction here on the weekend program?
[00:54:10] Are you staking me?
[00:54:11] I'm staking you.
[00:54:12] I'm staking you.
[00:54:13] Good, good.
[00:54:14] All right.
[00:54:14] So here's how it's going to work.
[00:54:16] I will let you spend all of your money.
[00:54:17] I'm going to give Antonio four.
[00:54:22] Count them.
[00:54:24] Four dollars.
[00:54:27] You get four bucks, Antonio.
[00:54:30] And every item here in the weekend program auction is a dollar.
[00:54:36] It costs a dollar to buy.
[00:54:39] You have four dollars to spend.
[00:54:41] We've got four items on the table.
[00:54:45] Plus, hold on.
[00:54:46] Let me just roll a die.
[00:54:47] Give me a sec.
[00:54:49] Okay.
[00:54:49] Okay.
[00:54:49] I know how many additional items there are going to be, but the auction could end at any time after four, Antonio.
[00:54:58] So if you wanted, you could just buy the first four things on the board or you're going to spend some.
[00:55:04] You're going to hold on to some money in case some of these others on the other side of four are of interest to you.
[00:55:09] And if you don't buy an item, I will choose for myself whether or not I would want to buy the item.
[00:55:16] So, for example, let's begin with just a sample version of this.
[00:55:21] So here's a nice little plate.
[00:55:23] It's covered up, but we're not going to keep this one covered, of course.
[00:55:27] I'll talk about this one very, very quickly.
[00:55:30] This is on this plate a survivor season without immunity idols.
[00:55:37] You could buy this for a dollar.
[00:55:41] This is a free buck.
[00:55:42] Do you want to buy this or not, Antonio?
[00:55:45] So I've got $4 to spend.
[00:55:47] You now have a fifth dollar.
[00:55:49] You've got a fifth dollar.
[00:55:50] This is a fifth dollar if you want to spend it or not.
[00:55:52] Okay.
[00:55:52] So I have $5.
[00:55:53] I know I'm getting at least five items.
[00:55:55] Yes.
[00:55:55] I don't know if there will be more than five items.
[00:55:58] Right.
[00:55:58] And my point, what I'm doing here, just to reset this for everybody, including myself, is if I pass on this item, then I'm essentially saying to myself, I think there is going to be at least one more item.
[00:56:12] And it's going to be better than the idea of a survivor season with no idols.
[00:56:16] Right.
[00:56:17] May I ask a question about this?
[00:56:18] Of course.
[00:56:19] Absolutely.
[00:56:20] Does the cast know?
[00:56:23] Does the cast know that they have no idols?
[00:56:26] Yes.
[00:56:26] They know that there are no idols in play during that season.
[00:56:30] I don't know which is more interesting, honestly.
[00:56:32] What do you think?
[00:56:33] I think it would be interesting.
[00:56:36] I want to know.
[00:56:37] That's why I want to talk to you about it.
[00:56:38] Because I'm not sure I know.
[00:56:39] Let me just make a ruling on the field.
[00:56:41] They do not know that there are no idols this season.
[00:56:45] Yes.
[00:56:45] I will buy this for $1.
[00:56:47] Okay.
[00:56:47] You're going to buy this for a dollar.
[00:56:48] I will buy this for $1.
[00:56:49] How does that make the difference?
[00:56:50] Well, for multiple reasons.
[00:56:52] The first reason is the effect on subsequent players, which is to say that like, oh my God,
[00:56:57] they had a season with no idols and they didn't tell the players.
[00:57:00] Are we going to have idols on our season?
[00:57:02] Are there idols in play?
[00:57:04] Does one person find an idol and be like, oh my God, now that I found an idol and I know
[00:57:09] there's idols on this season, I'm not going to tell a soul.
[00:57:12] In other seasons, I might have used this idol to build trust and to make a connection.
[00:57:16] But I don't want to be the one that confirms to the rest of the people that there are idols
[00:57:21] in play.
[00:57:22] And so that part would be fascinating to me, the effect on future seasons.
[00:57:26] But the effect on the current season would also be interesting just because of the paranoia,
[00:57:30] because people wouldn't know if idols were in play.
[00:57:33] Jeff would ask.
[00:57:34] Jeff would repeatedly ask.
[00:57:36] And I think the paranoia that would build from that would be like a steam whistle, right?
[00:57:41] Like it would be just like this thing where this, okay, no idols were played in the first
[00:57:45] couple of weeks.
[00:57:45] Big deal.
[00:57:46] Maybe there's no idols in the game.
[00:57:47] We're not going to ever think that.
[00:57:48] But if we get like three quarters of the way through the game and like final seven or
[00:57:52] whatever, final six, whatever it is, and no idols have been played, I think people
[00:57:56] will be losing their minds.
[00:57:57] And I think that would be really fun to watch play.
[00:58:00] All right.
[00:58:00] So that's your first dollar.
[00:58:02] You've got four more to spend.
[00:58:03] It was a freebie.
[00:58:04] There are going to be at least five items in this auction.
[00:58:08] We're going to call that the first one.
[00:58:10] Okay.
[00:58:10] First one down.
[00:58:12] Second item on the list here.
[00:58:15] Let me take, you know what?
[00:58:15] Let's keep this one uncovered as well.
[00:58:18] Antonio, this item is a return to two tribes for a dollar.
[00:58:25] Do you want survivor to return to the two tribe format?
[00:58:28] May I ask a question?
[00:58:30] Yes, of course.
[00:58:31] How many people in each tribe?
[00:58:33] Uh, it's going to be, uh, 10 and 10, 10 and 10.
[00:58:38] Okay.
[00:58:38] 20, 20 cast season.
[00:58:40] Yep.
[00:58:40] I'm getting 20 people.
[00:58:41] Uh, and so I'm getting a little bit more.
[00:58:44] You know what?
[00:58:44] How about this?
[00:58:45] Let's do, let's do, let's do 18.
[00:58:47] Let's keep, let's keep the same number of survivors that they're bringing out here,
[00:58:50] except instead of dividing it into three tribes, we're going to do two tribes.
[00:58:54] We're going to do two tribes of nine.
[00:58:56] Uh, I'm going to pass on this item.
[00:58:59] Okay.
[00:59:00] So you're not mad at the three tribes right now.
[00:59:02] I'm not mad at the three tribes.
[00:59:04] If anything, I think they could do more, uh, to shake up the three tribe format than they
[00:59:07] even have.
[00:59:08] Um, I would probably, if you, and maybe listen, I'm saving this dollar because I'm hoping what's
[00:59:14] under another one of these, uh, you know, uh, what do you call it?
[00:59:18] Uh, whatever it is, a chafing dish.
[00:59:20] Are we preventing, are you presenting these to me on a chafing dish?
[00:59:22] Um, I'm hoping what's under one of these lids is a one world season and that one tribe versus
[00:59:28] three.
[00:59:29] I'm picking one, give me a one world season.
[00:59:31] Uh, I'll take that for a dollar.
[00:59:33] I'll buy that for a dollar.
[00:59:34] Uh, but a two tribe season, just I'm sticking.
[00:59:36] I want to save my dollar and see if that comes up.
[00:59:38] All right.
[00:59:39] Uh, next item also uncovered.
[00:59:42] We get to the final four fire making twist.
[00:59:46] Antonio fire it or keep it hired.
[00:59:50] Are we getting rid of fire making for a dollar?
[00:59:53] Uh, so let's see.
[00:59:54] I have $4 to spend.
[00:59:56] I don't know how many items are left at this point now.
[00:59:59] And we have gone into the point where I could be rolling.
[01:00:02] I could be rolling the dice after you've rolled the dice.
[01:00:04] Yes.
[01:00:05] I will buy that.
[01:00:05] I should say that if you have any money left over at the end of, uh, this,
[01:00:11] uh, auction, um, you'll be executed.
[01:00:21] Well, God damn.
[01:00:24] Uh, I was already, I was already going, I was already going to buy getting rid of the
[01:00:29] fire making challenge.
[01:00:30] Yeah.
[01:00:31] I'm, I'm over it.
[01:00:32] I'm beyond over it.
[01:00:34] Just so you know, you had the option.
[01:00:36] You could keep it going too.
[01:00:37] You didn't have to fire the fire making challenge.
[01:00:39] Fair enough.
[01:00:39] But I was already planning on buying.
[01:00:41] Uh, even before you threatened me with penalty of death, uh, I was, I was already planning
[01:00:46] on buying to put the fire out.
[01:00:48] Uh, I think it was interesting.
[01:00:49] I think there have been some fun moments.
[01:00:51] I think there have been some great dramatic moments.
[01:00:54] I am not a television producer.
[01:00:56] Uh, so I am not trying to, uh, not yet, not yet, not that year.
[01:01:00] Uh, I am not necessarily trying to, uh, say what, what would be better TV instead, or do
[01:01:06] we need better TV instead?
[01:01:07] Or considering that aspect of it from a gameplay perspective, I think we've gotten all the juice
[01:01:12] out of, uh, what we could as far as the strategy of putting yourself in or not putting yourself
[01:01:17] in or having respect for that or not having respect for that.
[01:01:20] I'm done with it.
[01:01:20] So get rid of the fire making challenge, please.
[01:01:24] Okay.
[01:01:24] This next item, item number four.
[01:01:28] We're going to keep this one covered Antonio.
[01:01:29] Antonio.
[01:01:30] Okay.
[01:01:31] Well, I don't want to die.
[01:01:33] Uh, let's see.
[01:01:35] Let me, let me reset here.
[01:01:37] So I have $3 left.
[01:01:38] Is that right?
[01:01:38] Or $2?
[01:01:39] You've got $3 left.
[01:01:40] You've got $3, $3 left.
[01:01:41] And I know that there's at least two more items.
[01:01:44] Yes.
[01:01:45] But if I don't spend all my money, I die.
[01:01:47] Yes.
[01:01:48] But I might not have the opportunity later to buy an uncovered item that I would have really
[01:01:54] liked.
[01:01:54] Yes.
[01:01:55] I, I want to know what is in the mystery of this auction.
[01:01:59] If I'm getting an advantage or something.
[01:02:00] So I will buy this covered item for $1.
[01:02:03] You're going to be very happy with what you purchased here.
[01:02:06] Antonio.
[01:02:07] You've already mentioned it here.
[01:02:09] Boom.
[01:02:10] On the auction.
[01:02:12] One world twist is returning to survivor.
[01:02:16] Talk.
[01:02:17] Cause you know,
[01:02:17] I'm a big fan of the one world twist.
[01:02:19] If not the season,
[01:02:20] why would you want to see the one world twist back again?
[01:02:23] Antonio.
[01:02:24] Oh, so many reasons.
[01:02:25] I think chief among them is just that if we're going to continue to feed GR way.
[01:02:28] So are ourselves through survivor.
[01:02:30] And I don't have big issue with this.
[01:02:32] I think it's something we need to revisit because we haven't revisited it because it hasn't really
[01:02:38] been a major part of our survivor story.
[01:02:41] And honestly, no cap, like, and no offense to anybody, but the season it was part of is
[01:02:46] terrible.
[01:02:46] It's like a bottom five survivor season for me.
[01:02:49] So in light of that, uh, I would like to see it with this cast.
[01:02:53] It would have been amazing.
[01:02:54] Uh, I can't believe what it would be like in, especially in our modern, like diversity
[01:02:59] casting era, uh, to see one group and to see them all together at the beginning of the game
[01:03:05] and to see what effect that would have the original premise of survivor.
[01:03:09] Uh, at least half of it was always like players work together to establish a new society.
[01:03:15] Like we, and we have, we talked about this a little bit on the last survivor podcast
[01:03:18] that we did here on the weekend program.
[01:03:20] Uh, but that has not really been a huge part of the survivor game, uh, in the recent era,
[01:03:26] uh, is like, what about the society building?
[01:03:28] They're not getting like advantages or incentives or like they're not getting food because they
[01:03:32] made a set of rules, right?
[01:03:34] Like they're not doing the sorts of things that like when you're building a society would
[01:03:37] do and getting rewarded for them.
[01:03:39] Uh, so I'd like to throw everyone all together and see what that mix could create, especially
[01:03:45] early game.
[01:03:46] Um, I, another reason to do that.
[01:03:48] But sometimes in a three tribe format or even in a two tribe format, uh, the grossness of
[01:03:53] who gets piled up on, uh, can be really gross.
[01:03:56] Now it could be even grosser in a one world season, obviously.
[01:03:59] Uh, but I think if you give people more opportunities to find out, then sometimes maybe some of your
[01:04:04] early boots who, uh, shouldn't have been early boots or felt bad being early boots would have
[01:04:08] found it easier to stay in the game in a world, world twist.
[01:04:10] So I'm just for it for any number of reasons, but chief among them being, uh, it is not played
[01:04:15] and I would like to see what it looks like.
[01:04:18] Yeah.
[01:04:19] The fact that the season wasn't good is the reason it doesn't happen again.
[01:04:22] I think is like the big reason why it doesn't happen again.
[01:04:25] They can't call it something new without acknowledging that one world happened.
[01:04:29] And I think that they would love to not really acknowledge one world at all.
[01:04:33] Um, which, uh, is a shame.
[01:04:36] Cause I think that, I think that there was a lot of juice on, on, uh, left in that, in
[01:04:40] that to squeeze out.
[01:04:41] I think that also they have tried certain version.
[01:04:45] I kind of think like mergeatory is a little bit one worldy, right?
[01:04:50] It's getting there.
[01:04:51] Yep.
[01:04:51] It's getting there.
[01:04:52] It certainly is trying to capture some of the tendrils of the same vibes.
[01:04:55] Yeah.
[01:04:55] But I do think that like doing it early, very early is very fun.
[01:05:01] There's probably more that they need to iterate on with it where whether it's like,
[01:05:06] ever shifting tribe permutations where you can't ever feel super comfortable with like
[01:05:11] the group you're going to tribal with.
[01:05:13] Um, some people would hate that, uh, both like from a player standpoint and a viewing
[01:05:18] standpoint.
[01:05:19] Um, I'm not necessarily suggesting that that's what should be done.
[01:05:22] Uh, but I think that there's just a lot more left to play with, with everybody on the same
[01:05:27] beach, uh, and especially as a starting point.
[01:05:30] So I would have bought this for sure as well.
[01:05:33] This next one, I would certainly buy, but you only have $2 left.
[01:05:38] Uh, so, uh, this would be something that I would buy.
[01:05:40] I'm not going to cover this.
[01:05:42] I'm just going to say it.
[01:05:43] It's another, uh, twist from the twenties that we haven't seen since a season of survivor
[01:05:50] that I am celebrating the 10 year anniversary of each and every week on the podcast called
[01:05:56] Stan Juan del Sur Antonio blood versus water.
[01:06:01] Are you bringing that back for a dollar?
[01:06:04] I'd like to see it again.
[01:06:05] Yeah.
[01:06:05] I would pay a dollar to see it again in this scenario.
[01:06:08] I mean, you're what I'm running through in my mind at that point, when I'm making this
[01:06:11] decision is, are there a half dozen better things that I would want to see that you're
[01:06:16] going to give me in an auction like this?
[01:06:17] Uh, and I've thought often about the blood versus water twist.
[01:06:21] I think it is a good way to bring back more returning players or specifically returning
[01:06:26] players who we might not have otherwise considered, but because they're in the mix, because they
[01:06:30] have a good, uh, family member.
[01:06:33] I think that that consideration needs to be paid.
[01:06:35] I think we do, we need to do less of the let's bring in our most beloved, uh, America's
[01:06:41] tribal council type winners.
[01:06:43] Uh, even if their partner is not necessarily going to be like shining star TV.
[01:06:48] Uh, that is not as interesting to me as finding a world where you can bring in, uh, a family
[01:06:54] member who can actually have maybe an interesting impact on the game.
[01:06:57] Uh, and so that, that's something like, look, it would, it would be pretty cool to see the
[01:07:02] Wurtenburgers out there is one of the things I'm thinking about.
[01:07:04] Right.
[01:07:05] Like, uh, and that that's not happening because of Zach necessarily, uh, because Zach's time
[01:07:11] as we know was pretty short.
[01:07:12] Um, but it might happen because we know that Corey would also be good TV.
[01:07:17] Uh, and so there we go.
[01:07:18] That's a, that's a layup.
[01:07:19] We might never have otherwise seen Zach again on a survivor season.
[01:07:22] Uh, but knowing that he's got Corey there, uh, and they could both make good TV together.
[01:07:27] Um, that could be something we could really do well with.
[01:07:29] So, uh, I, I think.
[01:07:31] I love the idea of the Wurten, uh, the Wurtenburger brothers being like the, the third in the holy
[01:07:37] Trinity of blood versus water brothers between the Bush Kouskis brothers, the Christie brothers.
[01:07:43] Yes.
[01:07:44] Wurtenburgers.
[01:07:44] Let's do it.
[01:07:45] I love this.
[01:07:45] I love this.
[01:07:46] It's like, uh, I don't even know what, uh, but yes, I, I love the, the way the chart,
[01:07:50] we'd have to line them up, uh, and arrange them in a certain way.
[01:07:53] I think if we switched the order of the Wurtenburgers and the Christie's, then we would really be
[01:07:58] multiplicity in this thing.
[01:08:02] And then Michael Keaton gets involved and it's just a whole other thing.
[01:08:04] Uh, yeah, I, so anyway, I'm, I'm all for the idea of another blood versus water.
[01:08:09] I just would hope that the casting would be very purposeful beyond the survivor that
[01:08:15] they want to bring back and the best family member of that survivor.
[01:08:17] They can find, I don't want that.
[01:08:19] I want it to be the best two people they can find considering that one of them has been
[01:08:23] on the show before.
[01:08:26] Antonio starting now, that was, that was all that was promised.
[01:08:30] We've gone through five items in the auction.
[01:08:34] It could now end at any moment.
[01:08:36] And I'm going to die if I don't spend it.
[01:08:39] And if it ends now, you, you are indeed going to be executed.
[01:08:44] Um, the, the way this goes is whatever you offer me has to be worse.
[01:08:50] I know a worse fate to me than death for me to not spend my dollar on it right now.
[01:08:55] So let's hear it.
[01:08:56] Okay.
[01:08:57] I'm not saying that that's not possible, by the way.
[01:09:03] You're telling me, uh, I have to bid a dollar on John Rocker coming back to survivor, uh,
[01:09:07] or I die.
[01:09:08] I'm the, I'm going to roll the dice that there's another item.
[01:09:10] All right.
[01:09:12] Well, let me uncover this one then.
[01:09:14] Okay.
[01:09:14] Because you've got a real Wraith's choice on your hands.
[01:09:19] Antonio, you can either allow yourself to be executed.
[01:09:27] Or take me away, Calgon.
[01:09:30] You cancel survivor.
[01:09:32] Oh, dang.
[01:09:34] Oh, what if this is going to be a covered item?
[01:09:37] But now that this is could be do or die, I feel like this should be uncovered.
[01:09:41] I have always felt, uh, that the long arc of my life could end in martyrdom in some strange way,
[01:09:47] uh, depending on the way that our politics goes.
[01:09:50] So if I, you're asking me, would I choose to martyr myself in this convoluted auction scenario
[01:09:55] so that survivor could live on in the hearts and minds of all my beloveds, uh,
[01:10:00] and people who would never meet me and would never know me that I was standing up for the right for this show to continue to exist.
[01:10:06] And I was giving my life in a Christ-like fashion, one might say.
[01:10:10] Yeah.
[01:10:11] I wouldn't, but one might.
[01:10:12] Um, yeah.
[01:10:13] Would I do this?
[01:10:14] You've given me a real tough choice.
[01:10:16] I don't even know what there's a right answer.
[01:10:18] Yeah.
[01:10:19] And sometimes maybe one could be three.
[01:10:21] Who knows?
[01:10:22] Um, yes.
[01:10:23] Uh, and we don't need rice.
[01:10:24] All we're going to have are loaves and fish.
[01:10:26] Um, I, uh, look, uh, I, I, I,
[01:10:30] I would do, look, I know there are people who feel like they could not live without survivor.
[01:10:34] Uh, I know that there are people like that out there.
[01:10:36] I've seen them.
[01:10:37] I've met them.
[01:10:38] I've interacted with them.
[01:10:39] I've spent time with them.
[01:10:40] Uh, we've broken bread over our shared love of the show.
[01:10:43] Uh, and in light of that, uh, and in light of all the people, uh, who tune in each week, uh, for escapism from survivor, uh, who need the show to fill in the dark times of their lives.
[01:10:53] Uh, when their family's going through something or when they're going through something, uh, I will stand up for those people and I'll, I'll, I'll take the hit.
[01:10:59] Wow.
[01:11:00] Okay.
[01:11:00] Antonio Mazzaro willing to off himself for the, no, you said I would be executed.
[01:11:06] You didn't say that I'd have to do it.
[01:11:08] Sure.
[01:11:08] Sure.
[01:11:09] What will your choice is allowing me to execute you?
[01:11:11] Uh, I was thinking of like a John Brown scenario.
[01:11:14] Yeah, that's not where we're going.
[01:11:15] The nation will celebrate me.
[01:11:17] Like it will lead to great change.
[01:11:18] Survivor remains uncanceled.
[01:11:22] Antonio, you remain uncanceled.
[01:11:25] There is another item in this auction.
[01:11:28] Okay.
[01:11:29] Thank God.
[01:11:30] You have not been canceled yet from earth.
[01:11:32] Thank God.
[01:11:32] But I don't have a dollar left to spend on this, right?
[01:11:35] Uh, no, you, you chose not to buy the cancellation of survivor, right?
[01:11:41] Oh, okay.
[01:11:42] Fair enough.
[01:11:42] I got a dollar.
[01:11:43] I was willing to die for the, for everyone else's sins.
[01:11:46] You live.
[01:11:47] Specifically yours.
[01:11:47] You live.
[01:11:48] You live.
[01:11:49] Antonio, this item will remain covered.
[01:11:51] I didn't want this podcast to get this dark.
[01:11:54] It's covered.
[01:11:55] Okay.
[01:11:55] All right.
[01:11:56] So it's very dark.
[01:11:57] Cover.
[01:11:58] Now I'm buying, uh, unknown versus the idea that I could be executed by you, which by the
[01:12:04] way, you've not described what the execution method would be.
[01:12:06] And I won't.
[01:12:07] Okay.
[01:12:07] God bless.
[01:12:08] So I don't even get to know.
[01:12:09] Yeah.
[01:12:10] Um, yeah, I'm, I'm buying what's under this.
[01:12:14] I don't want to die.
[01:12:16] Uh, okay.
[01:12:17] Antonio.
[01:12:18] I don't want to die.
[01:12:18] John rockers coming back to survivor.
[01:12:19] I don't care.
[01:12:20] Whatever.
[01:12:20] Indeed he is Antonio, because you just bought survivor robs versus Johns.
[01:12:25] It's happening.
[01:12:26] Finally.
[01:12:30] God damn it.
[01:12:31] It finally happened.
[01:12:32] What's the show?
[01:12:33] That's that's the show.
[01:12:35] Oh, yeah.
[01:12:37] We got it.
[01:12:37] Survivor robs versus.
[01:12:39] Oh, that's a real monkeys.
[01:12:40] Paul.
[01:12:40] You just did to me.
[01:12:42] I feel like I went through a Masonic, right?
[01:12:44] Of some sort.
[01:12:45] Like you had me stage my own execution and now I've bought a ending that I didn't want,
[01:12:49] but that I deserve probably.
[01:12:51] Yeah.
[01:12:52] Survivor robs versus Johns.
[01:12:53] I don't know how great the list looks these days, uh, for the robs of the Johns here on
[01:12:59] survivor.
[01:13:00] Um, but, uh, I'm not going to put you on the spot to make you, uh, cast this thing, uh,
[01:13:07] right this second.
[01:13:07] But, uh, I think that there's still, there's still life in robs versus Johns.
[01:13:12] I think would be fun.
[01:13:13] Uh, John rocker out here again is, uh, likelier now than ever before.
[01:13:18] Uh, Antonio.
[01:13:19] What I did was just so, just so we know, like I chose the possibility of my own demise.
[01:13:24] Yes.
[01:13:24] That I could keep survivor on the air.
[01:13:26] And then what I gave all those people who I was trying to protect was a toxic all male
[01:13:31] season of survivor.
[01:13:32] Yeah.
[01:13:33] Rob's versus Johns.
[01:13:34] Should you have canceled survivor?
[01:13:38] Did you choose wisely?
[01:13:42] I, I chose, I chose, I chose wisely in the moment.
[01:13:46] I will not do results oriented thinking.
[01:13:48] I think that's right.
[01:13:51] I think results oriented thinking suggests that I might not have chosen.
[01:13:54] Well, I think I, here's what I would like to know.
[01:13:56] Ultimately, as far as my choice architecture, if I am going on results oriented thinking,
[01:14:01] was there another item?
[01:14:02] There were three more items in the, son of a bitch.
[01:14:05] There were three additional items in the auction.
[01:14:07] Antonio.
[01:14:07] Uh, would you like me to uncover them or keep them covered?
[01:14:10] Uh, well, would you like to know what they were or would you like to keep them a mystery
[01:14:14] forever?
[01:14:14] Let's uncover them for the people.
[01:14:16] Okay.
[01:14:16] For the people, uh, first item you could have, uh, picked, uh, for a dollar, a returning
[01:14:21] player of your choice.
[01:14:23] Anybody.
[01:14:23] Okay.
[01:14:24] Okay.
[01:14:24] All right.
[01:14:25] Any single person you could have brought back.
[01:14:27] Um, the next item that we would have uncovered, pick a new location.
[01:14:34] Survivor leaves Fiji.
[01:14:35] You get to choose where God bless.
[01:14:37] That was a good one.
[01:14:39] Final one, uh, that you could have picked was for a dollar.
[01:14:44] Antonio Mazzaro gets to select once Jeff retires, the next host of survival.
[01:14:51] Okay.
[01:14:51] Okay.
[01:14:51] All right.
[01:14:52] All right.
[01:14:52] You had, you had some, you had some choices there.
[01:14:55] You got Rob's versus John's.
[01:14:56] I wish I had another dollar because after all you've put me through today, I would make
[01:15:00] you the next host of survivor.
[01:15:01] Josh.
[01:15:02] Wow.
[01:15:02] Uh, definitely would reject the job, uh, but thrilled to be thought of as always.
[01:15:09] Uh, Antonio, speaking of, uh, you know, we're, we're celebrating a lot here.
[01:15:13] We are celebrating the fact that you have survived the grueling weekend program auction.
[01:15:18] We are celebrating the fact that survivor was not canceled by you.
[01:15:21] We are celebrating the fact that of course, survivor is turning 50 very soon.
[01:15:27] Uh, Jeff probes gave an interview with Dalton Ross recently to talk about what they are
[01:15:32] looking for, for survivor 50.
[01:15:34] Uh, he says that, um, he wants to find something that's going to, uh, celebrate survivor from
[01:15:41] different vantage points.
[01:15:42] He says, how do you do that in a way that's fun?
[01:15:45] That includes the fans that has the players that all the fans want to see, and we'll still
[01:15:50] give you the opportunity for another great season of survivor.
[01:15:52] So celebration is the first word that comes to mind and that equals joy.
[01:15:58] I'm looking for those moments that are going to be really fun and really funny.
[01:16:04] This is what's on Jeff's mind as construction on survivor 50 is actually probably like decently
[01:16:11] along the way at this point, since they're going to have to film it.
[01:16:14] Uh, I would guess like, probably like, uh, if past his prologue with may June, something
[01:16:20] like that, um, how are you feeling about Jeff's vibes on 50 based on that?
[01:16:26] Mixed mixed because what Jeff thinks is joyful may not be what I think is joyful a hundred
[01:16:31] percent of the time.
[01:16:32] Uh, I know the show has celebrated moments that I have not enjoyed.
[01:16:35] I know the show has celebrated players that I have not enjoyed.
[01:16:38] Uh, and so I, I feel a little mixed on that.
[01:16:41] That said, I do think they want to get it right.
[01:16:44] I thought the cast for winners at war was very good.
[01:16:46] Uh, and I think they understand the gravity of what they're working with.
[01:16:51] Uh, and I think that they can do right by that.
[01:16:54] Um, so I have some concern, like I said, based solely on my miscalibration with Jeff on what's
[01:17:00] joyful on survivor.
[01:17:01] Uh, but I think that the pool of potential players, uh, is very deep.
[01:17:06] Uh, and maybe Josh, uh, when we revisit this season of survivor, uh, and, and talk about
[01:17:13] this at the end of the season and we cut, we look back on it, maybe then we can, uh, we
[01:17:17] can give some, uh, thoughts to what we think should be in this cast.
[01:17:20] Interesting.
[01:17:20] Yeah.
[01:17:21] No, I have a lot of thoughts about what I would want from survivor 50.
[01:17:24] So I'd be, I would, I would welcome the opportunity to have that conversation when we get to the
[01:17:27] end of season 47, when we will return here on the weekend program with one last weekend
[01:17:33] program about survivor 47 Antonio, this being the last time we speak before then on the
[01:17:38] podcast about survivor 47, you want to plant a flag in the ground winner pick?
[01:17:44] I, uh, I have to stay.
[01:17:46] I have to say, I don't necessarily feel this way now, but I will say at the beginning of
[01:17:50] the season, very early on the first name that jumped out to me because of that Alliance was
[01:17:55] Gabe.
[01:17:56] Uh, I thought the fact that they're basically giving this guy, uh, authorship over this
[01:18:01] interesting Alliance and giving this Alliance, this screen time.
[01:18:05] Uh, and it just feels like, okay, very early on the game, Gabe popped to me.
[01:18:09] I think he's not really had, if I had to read the tea leaves and if I were really going
[01:18:14] to put my tinfoil hat on, uh, or start to look into the edit, he's not really had the
[01:18:18] content.
[01:18:18] I would see has felt like a winner since then.
[01:18:21] Uh, but I have to admit that that was my first call.
[01:18:25] Uh, and so first call, best call, I would say Gabe, uh, if I had to pick again, I mean,
[01:18:30] Andy, John of even Rachel or Genevieve and Rachel, I'll Rob's versus that's see now,
[01:18:36] now we're talking now.
[01:18:37] We can maybe get in there.
[01:18:38] Uh, I was versus Johns versus Genevieve.
[01:18:41] Yeah.
[01:18:41] We can get a third try.
[01:18:43] Figure this out.
[01:18:44] Whose last name is Bellend.
[01:18:45] Uh, yeah, the, uh, yeah, I, I, uh, I, I would be looking at Andy.
[01:18:51] I would be looking at Genevieve.
[01:18:52] I would be looking at Rachel.
[01:18:53] Uh, and I, I think any of the three of them, uh, would strike me as a very worthy winner.
[01:19:00] Uh, and I think would be a fun season winner.
[01:19:03] Uh, so I am not going to plant a flag.
[01:19:05] I will say I already planted it early season.
[01:19:07] I have to own that.
[01:19:08] I have to say, I thought Gabe was going to win it really early on.
[01:19:10] So that's where I'm going to keep my flag.
[01:19:12] Uh, but those three players I mentioned are who I've got my eye on as far as feeling like
[01:19:17] they have very interesting potential winner stories.
[01:19:19] Yeah.
[01:19:19] I didn't make a winner pick, uh, at the start of the season.
[01:19:22] I didn't do any preseason for this.
[01:19:24] I just wanted to hop right in.
[01:19:25] I think that's probably how I'm going to rock these new player seasons, at least, uh,
[01:19:29] for the foreseeable future.
[01:19:30] Uh, so this is, I guess my shot to make a winner pick.
[01:19:33] Uh, I'm just gonna say baby Andy.
[01:19:35] I'm just going to try and manifest baby Andy to the top.
[01:19:37] Wow.
[01:19:38] Imagine if you were listening to this podcast and didn't understand why Josh was
[01:19:42] calling Andy, baby.
[01:19:43] If people wanted to know how could they find that out?
[01:19:47] That's not my story to tell.
[01:19:49] I think you can consult Robin Akiva if you would like to know more specifically Robin Akiva
[01:19:55] and where they might podcast.
[01:19:57] Yes.
[01:19:58] Uh, a podcast that they need, uh, still to this day.
[01:20:02] Um, Antonio, that's going to wrap us up next week.
[01:20:04] The weekend program returns, uh, for those of you who are not subscribed to the weekend
[01:20:09] program and are listening to us through the RHAP survivor feed.
[01:20:12] We encourage you to join us.
[01:20:14] If you enjoyed this podcast, Antonio and I talk from the attic of RHAP about TV each
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[01:20:24] You can also search for RHAP, the weekend program, wherever you get your podcasts next
[01:20:29] week.
[01:20:30] We're talking Sopranos, those slow Pranos as we're slowly going through the Sopranos, uh,
[01:20:35] for the first time here, uh, on the podcast episodes six through 10 of season one are what
[01:20:42] we will be discussing on the weekend program.
[01:20:44] Next time, if you want to get any feedback in for that or anything about survivor, we
[01:20:49] would love to hear from you.
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[01:20:54] That's weekend program RHAP at gmail.com.
[01:20:57] Or you can hit up Antonio and myself on blue sky at round Howard at AC Mazzaro.
[01:21:02] I've been very interactive.
[01:21:04] If you're reaching out to me on the blue sky, I'm going to reach out back to you.
[01:21:08] Antonio, I don't want to put words in your mouth if you'll do the same thing, but I certainly
[01:21:11] will.
[01:21:12] Uh, it's a really fun vibrant guy.
[01:21:15] I will put you in touch with Josh.
[01:21:16] Yes.
[01:21:16] Yes.
[01:21:16] Uh, so consult my secretary, uh, uncle Tony.
[01:21:20] Uh, so follow us.
[01:21:22] They're a really fun community being built out over there.
[01:21:24] Would love to see some weekend programmers out there would be very, very, very fun.
[01:21:27] If you listened to the weekend program, if you listen to it regularly, uh, and you are,
[01:21:32] uh, uh, on blue sky because that gosh, we would love to hear that.
[01:21:35] That'd be very, very fun.
[01:21:37] Um, Antonio, anything else?
[01:21:40] Always a lot of fun to talk about survivor with you specifically, Josh.
[01:21:44] I love your survivor brain.
[01:21:46] I love your survivor thoughts.
[01:21:48] You are just like a, uh, I don't know, uh, an encyclopedia with a comic book cover when
[01:21:52] it comes to, uh, survivor.
[01:21:54] And so starting to come back to me a little bit, but it's still fairly locked away.
[01:21:59] But some of this is just never going to leave is what I've come to peace with.
[01:22:02] I love that.
[01:22:03] Uh, and the coming to peace with it is the important part.
[01:22:06] Yes.
[01:22:06] Uh, and like I said earlier, I said, you know, I've, I've wondered if my life could end in
[01:22:11] martyrdom.
[01:22:11] That's because you have to come to peace with like, are you willing to survive?
[01:22:14] My survival life kind of ended in martyrdom.
[01:22:16] Now I'm getting at, this is what I'm getting at.
[01:22:18] Like you have to come to peace with like, uh, the way that you put yourself out there and
[01:22:22] what that ultimately might mean.
[01:22:24] Uh, and you put yourself out there with all of your heart with survivor for a long time.
[01:22:28] Uh, and so it is like, so, um, rewarding to me to see you in a good place with it and enjoying
[01:22:34] it.
[01:22:35] I love it.
[01:22:36] I don't want to, I never would I have made you do this, but I am proud that you have
[01:22:40] done.
[01:22:40] Yes.
[01:22:41] Uh, I'm having a great time with it.
[01:22:43] I hope you all are having as much fun as I am, because that means you're having a really
[01:22:47] good time.
[01:22:47] We'll be back on the weekend program next week, talking slow Pranos.
[01:22:51] We hope you all have a great week.
[01:22:53] Uh, and we'll see y'all again in the attic on Saturday until then.
[01:22:57] Bye.
[01:22:59] Bye.