Today, Rob Cesternino, Pooya, and special guest, Mary Kwiatkowski, discuss Survivor legend, Boston Rob Mariano.[00:00:00] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino back and I'm so excited to kick off our Traitors Season 3 Preview Series and we are doing it in a big way here today. Of course, here with us, a man that you will hear all throughout the Traitors season. Nobody knows Traitors like he knows Traitors. It's Puyas Amakili.
[00:00:27] What an introduction, Rob. I am so pumped for this season, for this series, On the Road to the Season and it's going to be a great treat here we have today and for the rest of this countdown.
[00:00:40] Yeah, we're going to be bringing you a Traitors preview of one of the people that we're going to see in Traitors Season 3 here over pretty much the every single day until the premiere save some holidays along the way, including the Survivors, the Big Brothers and everybody else, the Housewives and more.
[00:01:02] We're going to have a preview podcast for you and we're going to kick it off here with the Godfather of Reality TV.
[00:01:11] And we're talking about Boston Rob Mariano. And here with us, our chief Boston Rob expert. Please welcome back, Mary Kwiatkowski. Mary, how are you?
[00:01:23] Nobody knows Boston Rob like Puyas knows Traitors except for Mary.
[00:01:30] Yes. Yes. OK, Mary, our number one Boston Rob super fan.
[00:01:35] We're very excited to have you back and looking forward to seeing Rob go out to the Traitors.
[00:01:45] First off, Mary, how are you?
[00:01:47] I'm great. I'm doing I'm doing great. It's it's it's it's already a busy winter season when it comes to to reality TV.
[00:01:57] So I'm excited to get on in on the Traitors.
[00:02:00] I feel like, you know, Boston Rob enters a show.
[00:02:04] Then I follow behind. So here we go. Happy to watch.
[00:02:07] Well, Mary, we're so thrilled to have you here and to talk some Boston Rob, your favorite subject.
[00:02:14] And so we will do that here today. And of course, we will have a Traitors podcast for you every single day.
[00:02:20] I will have all of the Big Brother and Survivor editions of these previews here with Puyah in the main RHAP podcast feed.
[00:02:31] But then after that, everything is going to be in our Traitors podcast feed.
[00:02:36] So don't miss any of the previews.
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[00:02:53] And we will have a full recap on that night.
[00:02:57] All right, Mary. All right.
[00:02:59] I got my BR rule book ready to go.
[00:03:02] And I was thinking about this a little bit before we came on the podcast.
[00:03:08] And I think this could go one of two ways that I really feel like that the Boston Rob type does not typically do well on the Traitors.
[00:03:23] Back me up on this, that like the traditional Boston Rob game of like, OK, I'm going to control everything.
[00:03:33] I feel like that does not fit great with the tree.
[00:03:38] Either people will think that's shady.
[00:03:39] That's us.
[00:03:40] I think that as we saw last season, really the ideal game for you not being a Traitor is much more of the Sandra game of, OK, anybody but me.
[00:03:50] I'm going to be make myself small.
[00:03:51] I'm going to hide.
[00:03:52] And I think that a Boston Rob type is not a great fit for the Traitors.
[00:03:57] That being said, Mary, we watched Rob on Deal or No Deal Island.
[00:04:02] And if you did not see Boston Rob play on Deal or No Deal Island, it was such a treat.
[00:04:07] Deal or No Deal Island season two is also coming back in January.
[00:04:11] But I, as a Boston Rob expert myself, was surprised that I felt like that he had an evolution to him as the now like fully realized adult dad version of Rob.
[00:04:29] That this was a little bit of a different version of him that I've ever seen before prior to Dondi.
[00:04:37] And I'm wondering if this newest version of Rob could actually do well on the Traitors.
[00:04:44] What do you think?
[00:04:46] So I think that his Dondi game was same, same, but different.
[00:04:50] Here's what I'll say.
[00:04:52] I think that everything he did on that show is things that he's done on other shows.
[00:04:58] But he just took out some pieces that wouldn't work in that format.
[00:05:04] And I think if he can play similarly to how he did on Deal or No Deal Island on the Traitors, that he's got a chance.
[00:05:11] Yeah.
[00:05:12] I agree.
[00:05:12] I think Boston Rob, there's two types.
[00:05:14] He either comes in and he tries to control the game and it works, or he tries to control the game and it doesn't work.
[00:05:19] And that's usually it.
[00:05:21] But he's got a lot of qualities to his ability to play games that I actually do think would work really well in a Traitors scenario.
[00:05:29] Especially in this version of the Traitors, unlike Season 1, where there's all reality TV players.
[00:05:38] Where you're not going to have the big threat of like, oh, but it's Boston Rob, right?
[00:05:44] Like, I'm actually surprised how well he did on Deal or No Deal Island.
[00:05:48] You could say Dondi.
[00:05:49] Yeah, Dondi.
[00:05:50] Considering he was the only reality TV person on that show.
[00:05:55] Okay.
[00:05:55] So I think with an even more even playing field, this only benefits him.
[00:05:59] All right.
[00:06:00] Pooja, were you watching Dondi last year?
[00:06:05] Unfortunately, no.
[00:06:06] Okay.
[00:06:06] Big blind spot for me.
[00:06:07] So I'm very curious to this new version or evolved version that y'all are speaking to.
[00:06:13] Yeah.
[00:06:14] So Rob comes into Deal or No Deal Island.
[00:06:17] And that's also like a very, you know, different game than Survivor.
[00:06:21] I think that, you know, you either want to like be first place and, you know, be immune,
[00:06:27] or you may actually want to face the banker because you get to control the elimination if you beat the banker.
[00:06:33] But you could lose to the banker and be eliminated.
[00:06:35] And I think that Rob really very quickly clocked the game.
[00:06:39] And I do think that he like really set the tone of the strategy over on Deal or No Deal Island.
[00:06:47] Rob had some unlikely allies in Deal or No Deal Island, including Aaron.
[00:06:55] And Aaron is Pooja.
[00:06:59] Imagine if like, you know Cochran?
[00:07:02] Yes.
[00:07:03] Imagine there was a kid at school that Cochran beat up.
[00:07:08] Okay.
[00:07:09] And this was his closest ally on the show.
[00:07:12] Yes.
[00:07:12] He was very nervous.
[00:07:13] And Rob had to like really be like a mentor to him.
[00:07:19] Okay.
[00:07:20] Yeah.
[00:07:21] And certainly Rob had ran into adversaries.
[00:07:23] And he's never going to back down from people that are going to be trying to call him out directly.
[00:07:28] And he did try to play, you know, a lot of the like Boston Rob, like intimidation game of like, if you go after me, it'll be a mistake.
[00:07:37] You don't want to do that.
[00:07:39] And then people were scared of a retaliation.
[00:07:42] So, you know, he's still playing the greatest hits.
[00:07:45] But Mary, I did think that there was like a side of him that he let us see that we never really got before.
[00:07:52] Yeah, it was.
[00:07:53] So I think it was Rob realizing very quickly that he was going to be an underdog in the game.
[00:07:59] That everyone else was going to, that there was going to be a bigger alliance against him.
[00:08:03] And that he had a couple allies.
[00:08:04] And then he was going to stick with his allies.
[00:08:06] But from what we saw, he really didn't try to like do a whole lot of shady underhanded stuff.
[00:08:12] A lot of people said he did.
[00:08:15] And they were like, nah, he didn't do this.
[00:08:16] But people would believe he would.
[00:08:18] And so I'm going to just say he did.
[00:08:19] Yeah.
[00:08:19] Which was actually pretty funny.
[00:08:20] We got to see Rob be like, hold on, like indignant.
[00:08:24] Hold on.
[00:08:24] I'm telling the truth over here.
[00:08:26] Why are people doing this?
[00:08:28] Yeah, they made like a whole alliance.
[00:08:29] And they were really, they were gunning for him, Pooja.
[00:08:32] Oh, yeah.
[00:08:33] It was so interesting.
[00:08:34] That part is more familiar with me.
[00:08:36] The gunning after boss and Rob feels like a very standard practice.
[00:08:40] And it was a little bit of, it was a weird show in that it was all civilians.
[00:08:45] And not all of them, like a couple of them knew who he was.
[00:08:48] And were like, a couple of them were like, I'm not working with him.
[00:08:51] I know who he is.
[00:08:52] And then there was also, you know, Claudia Jordan, who was also like a famous person who was also in the cast.
[00:09:00] And so it was a little bit of not what this is, of everybody is famous.
[00:09:06] But even like the most random, like housewives and everybody in this cast has heard of Boston Rob.
[00:09:16] But at least from my understanding of the traitors, correct me if I'm wrong, with almost all of these reality TV people, I don't think that there will be as much of a stigma of like, oh, the survivor players.
[00:09:29] Those are the ones who are backstabbing and nasty and everyone else is nice.
[00:09:33] Like you've got people here from like Vanderpump rules.
[00:09:36] Like no one's going to be like, yeah, they're the nice, you know.
[00:09:38] Yeah, I just think that Rob is going to be coming in, not even necessarily that people will know his specific reputation.
[00:09:44] But I think that has, I think the most well-known survivor player of all time.
[00:09:50] I think he does.
[00:09:51] That may be something that makes him a target of like, oh, Boston Rob from survivor.
[00:09:57] Like, I think that in the same way, like Johnny Bananas comes in as sort of like, OK, I've never seen Johnny Bananas on television, but I kind of know a little bit of like what comes along with that.
[00:10:08] I do think that that might be some baggage for him to carry into this game.
[00:10:12] I think that the big question that we have to look at with Rob from the producer's standpoint, Mary, the producers are in like a little bit of a pickle here of that.
[00:10:25] Do you make Boston Rob a traitor?
[00:10:29] A role that, you know, in the same way that making Dan a traitor last season was just like, no, this is too good of an opportunity.
[00:10:37] We can't pass this up.
[00:10:39] Do they do that?
[00:10:41] Or do they let Rob be one of the faithful trying to figure out who is the traitor?
[00:10:52] Yeah, it's tough because I think you want to see Rob being able to play the traitor.
[00:10:57] You want you want to see it.
[00:10:59] You could almost imagine.
[00:11:00] It wouldn't even take much to imagine.
[00:11:02] He's in there.
[00:11:03] He's got the cloak on.
[00:11:04] He's taking the cloak off.
[00:11:06] You see in the Red Sox hat.
[00:11:10] Do you think he would wear the hat under the cloak?
[00:11:13] Yeah.
[00:11:13] Well, he might get.
[00:11:14] Yeah, he'd probably get like a black version of the hat.
[00:11:16] Yeah.
[00:11:18] The hat's backwards.
[00:11:20] Yeah, 100%.
[00:11:21] I think the problem is it is.
[00:11:23] It's so obvious.
[00:11:24] No, as the question is, is it one of those?
[00:11:26] It's so obvious that people would think we wouldn't.
[00:11:29] So we're going to, you know?
[00:11:32] I think it would actually be much more interesting to watch the evolved player, Rob, try to be a faithful.
[00:11:38] I think that would be like a more interesting game.
[00:11:40] And I think that there are a lot of elements to his Dondi game that would work well with this.
[00:11:44] So here's where I think one of Rob's skill sets that is that would be incredibly useful for this.
[00:11:50] And Rob proved it on Dondi and on almost every other show he's ever been on.
[00:11:54] He's really good at reading people.
[00:11:56] Yes.
[00:11:57] He's really good at reading people.
[00:11:59] Incredible reads.
[00:12:00] Incredible at that.
[00:12:01] He's really good at understanding the logic of a game and figuring it out.
[00:12:06] And then seeing if there's any way to manipulate that and come up with his own rules.
[00:12:11] I mean, there's a lot of, you know, Amazing Race wouldn't be what it was.
[00:12:15] Yeah.
[00:12:16] Boston Rob Rules.
[00:12:17] Amazing Race wouldn't be what it was and wouldn't be thought of the way it is now,
[00:12:21] if not some of his innovative things from the first time he played.
[00:12:26] So I think that Rob coming in, looking at a game and going, okay, I want to figure this out.
[00:12:31] And then I want to adapt with it and change the game.
[00:12:34] I mean, just him being a narrator alone would be great.
[00:12:37] So I think that would be cool.
[00:12:39] I think if Rob was able to be a faithful, I think if he, you can imagine him sitting around
[00:12:43] in one of the rooms in the castle with a squad of people being like,
[00:12:46] Hey, look at that.
[00:12:46] Did you see her right there?
[00:12:47] The way she walked in and looked over.
[00:12:49] Maybe a cognac also.
[00:12:50] Yeah.
[00:12:51] And a cigar.
[00:12:52] Yeah.
[00:12:52] I think that would check out.
[00:12:54] So I think that that would be good.
[00:12:55] Rob's great at that.
[00:12:56] Rob is great at team challenges and being able to get a team to work together.
[00:13:01] Yes.
[00:13:02] That really leading a group, uh, he's really, really good at.
[00:13:06] And, you know, uh, we've seen in some of his other, uh, seasons, like really like, uh,
[00:13:12] he is somebody who that he will get rid of, uh, squeaky wheels and he will then, you know,
[00:13:18] find a group of people who will follow him.
[00:13:21] And I could see him being like a really great leader of the faithful.
[00:13:24] So Pooja, what do you think as the person who knows traders the best, what will the producers
[00:13:31] do with Rob?
[00:13:32] Okay.
[00:13:32] So I think, I firstly think if he comes in and he says, I want to be a faithful, they're
[00:13:38] not going to make him be a traitor, right?
[00:13:40] If he comes in with that, does he come in and say, I want to be a traitor?
[00:13:43] That's the thing.
[00:13:44] If he comes in and says, I want to be a traitor.
[00:13:47] Or he doesn't push too hard against wanting to be a faithful.
[00:13:49] I think Rob, they give it to him.
[00:13:51] Yeah.
[00:13:51] I think also the main, one of the main things you pick from that is you look at the bananas
[00:13:56] side of things, right?
[00:13:57] Where bananas comes in and they're like, okay, he can be like a narrator narrator.
[00:14:02] He'll be there.
[00:14:02] He's got presence.
[00:14:03] And then he immediately gets taken out.
[00:14:05] I think their assumption is Boston.
[00:14:07] I'm going to be on borrowed time regardless.
[00:14:09] Cause they're going to look at him.
[00:14:10] Let's get him in as a traitor as soon as we can.
[00:14:12] And because while I do think it's between him and Tony, if they do go survivor route,
[00:14:18] I think Tony has proven and shown to be a little bit more willing to be behind the scenes
[00:14:22] slash quiet.
[00:14:23] Whereas I feel like Rob almost always, whether accidental or on purpose will end up being in
[00:14:28] the forefront.
[00:14:29] And so, you know, but don't you think that Rob knows himself well enough to know that
[00:14:33] everyone's going to think he's a traitor.
[00:14:35] And so that his only chance for doing well in the game is to not be a traitor.
[00:14:38] Mary, I think that if he gets a choice, if they ask him, I think that he will pick whatever
[00:14:44] gives him the best chance to win the money.
[00:14:48] And Pooja, that I think that that is reasonable to assume that the best chance for Rob to get
[00:14:54] to the money is going to be through the path of a traitor, right?
[00:14:58] Yeah.
[00:14:59] Because first of all, that immediately takes away half the potential exits in the murders.
[00:15:04] You're not going to get murdered.
[00:15:05] And then also not for nothing, but to Mary, to your point of like people wanting to look
[00:15:11] at him, if he stays faithful, the longer they let him get to the end, the more likely they
[00:15:15] are to just vote him out at the very end because they can't risk it.
[00:15:18] Yeah.
[00:15:19] So his best shot would be traitor probably.
[00:15:21] And Mary, I think that he might want to take his chances of, okay, make me the traitor
[00:15:25] and that can he bluff Jeremy and Tony and Carolyn, the people that he knows and tell
[00:15:32] them, bro, I'm not a traitor.
[00:15:33] I would tell you if I was, I'm not a traitor.
[00:15:39] He could try.
[00:15:40] It would be interesting.
[00:15:41] I think I would just so much rather watch him play as a faithful, but, and that might
[00:15:44] be a hot take.
[00:15:45] Like, I think it's just, that would be fun also.
[00:15:47] I think we can picture, you can, you can sit there and fantasize about what he would
[00:15:53] be like as a, as a traitor and you can play it out.
[00:15:55] You know exactly what that would look like.
[00:15:56] And so I'd be more interested in watching him play a different game, especially coming
[00:16:00] off Dondi and seeing him play a different game.
[00:16:02] But I kind of think that they're going to think he's a traitor no matter what, at least
[00:16:05] like if I'm Rob, I think I would say, okay, you know what?
[00:16:07] Let me have the agency to be able to control this thing rather than be fighting off these
[00:16:12] accusations that are false.
[00:16:14] I'd rather have the accusations be true and then see if I could like bluff my way out of
[00:16:18] this one.
[00:16:19] Well, true.
[00:16:20] Also the way he plays, y'all talked about the team building, the squeaky wheels, the
[00:16:25] taking control.
[00:16:26] If he's given a traitor, there's every bit of chance he plays as the best faithful and
[00:16:30] brings the faithfuls together.
[00:16:32] And then he gains trust and he just like runs with them.
[00:16:35] Like that's also very possible.
[00:16:38] So Mary, we haven't really talked about this just to set this up.
[00:16:42] Okay.
[00:16:43] Can you just reset?
[00:16:44] Why are you the Boston Rob expert?
[00:16:46] Why is Boston Rob the reality star of these like hundreds, maybe thousands of reality stars
[00:16:54] that we've seen across these shows?
[00:16:55] The one that has meant the most to you?
[00:16:58] Who, you know, who even knows?
[00:17:01] No, I mean, I think it's the-
[00:17:07] So when I first started really getting, I mean, I've been watching Survivor since the beginning,
[00:17:12] but All Stars was this show that really, really stuck with me.
[00:17:16] The first one.
[00:17:16] So I was just like, look at this person who came in, who kind of was, you know, kind of
[00:17:22] a nobody in his first season.
[00:17:23] I flash in the pan, had some good moments or whatever.
[00:17:26] Came in, completely dominated the game, had amazing confessionals, got the girl in the
[00:17:32] end.
[00:17:32] Who doesn't love a story like that?
[00:17:34] You know?
[00:17:34] And then just being able to watch him play all these different times, iterate on his game,
[00:17:41] season 40, notwithstanding, not being the best.
[00:17:44] But otherwise, like he, he just has, I think he's got that magnanimous quality that other
[00:17:52] people will say about, you know, the same kind of thing you say about Ceree or Parvati
[00:17:56] or whatever, that it's just, you love to watch.
[00:17:59] Um, there are a lot of players like him on other shows that I can't stand.
[00:18:03] So I don't know what it is, if it's the accent, if it's the hat, what it is, if it's the fact
[00:18:09] that the first time I watched him, he was 25 and he was really cute on the island.
[00:18:13] I don't know.
[00:18:14] Could have been that.
[00:18:15] But Mary, I feel like that the other part of this is that wasn't there something about
[00:18:22] his tenacity that you related to?
[00:18:24] Yeah, it was just like, well, yes.
[00:18:27] I mean, I did make a necklace out of his quote from when he said, uh, I may not be the strongest,
[00:18:34] but I can guarantee I'm tougher than every single one of them.
[00:18:37] Like, I love that.
[00:18:39] I just love this idea that it's like, you know, or in season 40 when he said, never underestimate
[00:18:44] the portly fella.
[00:18:45] Like, yes, that he's got that.
[00:18:48] He did it on Dondi.
[00:18:49] There were challenges where you're like, no way is he going to do that.
[00:18:52] Rob's coming back first.
[00:18:53] He's winning.
[00:18:54] Like, he does not give up.
[00:18:58] He carries his family on his back.
[00:19:00] Like, I mean, you know, it's amazing.
[00:19:04] I think that all of that is so great.
[00:19:06] I think the way that he would talk to the people at home in confessional.
[00:19:13] Sure.
[00:19:13] The best to ever do it.
[00:19:15] Yeah.
[00:19:16] Well, it's easy to say that when it's the first few seasons.
[00:19:18] But yeah, it was.
[00:19:20] And he's still he's still great at that.
[00:19:22] So I just think there's just something about that type of player, which you mentioned someone
[00:19:28] like Johnny Bananas.
[00:19:31] There's there's a couple more.
[00:19:33] I don't know how much the challenge you've watched, but like CT on the challenges is someone who.
[00:19:40] Brian and Allie have mentioned many times, like these certain players that are almost producing the show while they're on it.
[00:19:48] Tell that they know the show and they know reality TV so well that they know what reality TV.
[00:19:54] Yeah, exactly.
[00:19:56] Well, you know, Rob's got a podcast and everything.
[00:19:59] So like that kind of thing.
[00:20:01] Rob is that for Survivor and for almost any show that he's on.
[00:20:05] He takes that on of that production quality that I think is really great to have, especially when you're on a new show or when you're on a show with people who are like, you know, you've got like people from The Bachelor.
[00:20:17] You've got people from Real Housewives.
[00:20:18] Those are different types of shows and it's not as game oriented.
[00:20:22] And so you need to have someone like that to kind of explain to those people.
[00:20:26] Yeah.
[00:20:26] And that was really well put, because I think we might also have some people that are listening to this podcast that might be Big Brother fans who might be learning about the Survivors for the first time.
[00:20:34] But, you know, it's not lost on me that this Survivor that made such a big impression on you, Mary, Mary, the winner of the RHAP pressure cooker that went, what, 13 hours?
[00:20:50] Something like that.
[00:20:51] 13 hours in a live endurance competition.
[00:20:55] Okay.
[00:20:56] So I think that there's a little bit of a connection with Boston Rob and you having that same never say die attitude.
[00:21:06] Yeah.
[00:21:06] I mean, I think that that's like not to say that Rob would be an ultra marathon runner, but it's that same kind of idea of like, I'm just going to do something.
[00:21:15] I don't need to be the fastest.
[00:21:16] You did wake up one day and do the Boston marathon.
[00:21:19] Exactly.
[00:21:20] See, there you go.
[00:21:22] Without training for it.
[00:21:23] Well, we have that in common.
[00:21:26] So we've run things without training for it.
[00:21:29] But yeah, it's this idea of like you don't need to be the best, but as long as you can kind of have the drive, have the goal of doing it, never give up.
[00:21:40] And also, and when he knows that he's not going to win something and not going to be the best, instead of giving up and being dejective, he goes, okay, I'm not going to win this one.
[00:21:49] So now what am I going to do?
[00:21:51] Now what's the next plan?
[00:21:52] It doesn't always work, but he's going to try and get himself out of situations.
[00:21:58] And there's too many people who give up on these shows.
[00:22:01] Let's talk about Rob's relationship with some of these other players that are coming in to go and be on the show.
[00:22:09] Of course, we have Tony.
[00:22:11] We have Carolyn.
[00:22:12] We have Jeremy.
[00:22:13] Pooja, Rob and Jeremy were actually on the same starting tribe back in Survivor Winners at War.
[00:22:20] Rob even blindsided Jeremy on the first vote.
[00:22:24] Yeah, but I feel like I don't know.
[00:22:27] And then maybe hearing Mary talk about him reminds me of this.
[00:22:31] I feel like there's a certain charm to someone blindsiding you in Boston, Rob.
[00:22:35] And then you're you're cool with them.
[00:22:37] Right.
[00:22:37] You feel like you could speak to this a little.
[00:22:39] Well, I think that Jeremy like never really had any sort of a grudge with that.
[00:22:44] I think that Jeremy was not happy about it.
[00:22:46] But Jeremy is also like, OK, well, what am I going to do about it?
[00:22:50] Like, I think that Jeremy and Rob, I think, are more than fine.
[00:22:54] I think that there'll be good allies in this.
[00:22:57] Mary, do you agree with that?
[00:22:59] Yeah, I think so.
[00:23:00] I mean, I think like I said, I feel like I can I can picture them sitting together and talking in the same way that Jeremy and Tony, like when you when you picture them on Survivor sitting together and talking about how many days are in a week.
[00:23:12] Like I can already see those conversations happening amongst Jeremy and Boston, Rob, like in the in the castle.
[00:23:19] So I think when you've got these kind of like seasoned reality players who've played multiple seasons of games, who've won, who are who are coming out here, they're answering the call and they're saying, yeah, sure.
[00:23:33] This might be fun to do for, you know, for a couple of weeks.
[00:23:36] They're both Boston guys.
[00:23:37] So I think Jeremy and Rob, I think, are going to be fine.
[00:23:40] But Mary, OK, let's talk about Rob and Tony from your perspective.
[00:23:45] We've never seen them together on the same beach.
[00:23:48] They both were on Winners at War, but they were never had any like direct interaction.
[00:23:53] How do you think that Rob is going to get along with the Tony?
[00:23:56] That one's interesting because they they both have had strong personalities.
[00:24:03] They've both been players who have thrown a lot at the wall in different games and they've both adapted in their different gameplay.
[00:24:10] So I think if we see Tony channeling a lot of his like season 40 kind of gameplay, I think that would be great.
[00:24:17] I think if Tony comes in and does what he did in Game Changers and is like, all right, whatever, I'm just going to run around and do whatever, talk a lot and make moves.
[00:24:26] I could see Rob being like, oh, this Tony guy, he's doing too much.
[00:24:29] Got to get him out, you know.
[00:24:31] So I think that depends.
[00:24:32] Do you know how how close they are in real life?
[00:24:35] I don't know if there is a particular closeness between Rob and Tony.
[00:24:40] Like if they are, if they do have a relationship, I really don't know too much about it.
[00:24:45] I mean, they were both on Winners at War.
[00:24:48] But then, you know, that's a weird season in that like there was like no finale because of COVID.
[00:24:53] So it wasn't even like that they were in the same place at the same time for to go to the finale or they hung out.
[00:25:00] So I really don't know of any interactions other than and Tony doesn't really go to like charity events like Rob will show up at like the give kids a world type events.
[00:25:11] But Tony doesn't.
[00:25:12] So like I can't imagine that there have been too many times that their paths have crossed.
[00:25:18] I think I could see a world where Tony is almost the scapegoat that Rob uses to try and get people to think that Tony's a traitor if Rob is.
[00:25:32] Yeah, I think that that's that's right.
[00:25:34] But I think that the key to that is that Rob has to keep him around for as long as possible because the time that they vote out Tony,
[00:25:41] then they're going to say, aha, it wasn't Tony, which is great.
[00:25:44] And then that's where you have Jeremy come and be like, so I've got this plan.
[00:25:47] It's called a meat shield.
[00:25:48] Have you heard of this?
[00:25:49] I feel like we can use it here.
[00:25:52] Yeah.
[00:25:52] So that's definitely going to be very fun, like dream casting, wish casting to see Rob and Tony interacting here.
[00:26:01] But Mary, Carolyn is an interesting case.
[00:26:05] I could see this one going two different ways.
[00:26:07] Like I could see Carolyn vibing, you know, and having a good time with Rob.
[00:26:13] I could also see I'm getting I'm getting flashbacks to Carolyn at the sanctuary, looking at people talking, rolling her eyes and being like, why are they not talking to me?
[00:26:21] Why are they not doing this?
[00:26:23] Now, I haven't.
[00:26:24] The one thing I haven't checked is has Carolyn interviewed Rob on her podcast?
[00:26:27] I don't believe so.
[00:26:29] OK.
[00:26:30] Yeah.
[00:26:30] So I think this one's actually more likely to go.
[00:26:34] I don't I don't see them getting along.
[00:26:36] Oh, I reacted that way.
[00:26:40] But I agree.
[00:26:43] I think that Carolyn really wants to be heard by people.
[00:26:47] And I think that Rob likes to, you know, tell people what the plans should be.
[00:26:53] And if Carolyn isn't feeling heard in the plans, I could see Carolyn maybe drifting away from the survivors.
[00:27:00] Yeah.
[00:27:00] And I think that would actually benefit Carolyn.
[00:27:02] I know this isn't the Carolyn podcast, but I think that would be a good move for Carolyn to potentially do that.
[00:27:06] I think that's tomorrow.
[00:27:08] Yeah.
[00:27:08] I think that I could see in because because even just, you know, despite all of the evolution we've talked about in Dondi, Rob did still like if someone messed up or made a mistake or whatever, didn't did something against him.
[00:27:25] He was not afraid to be like, hey, that's a dumb move.
[00:27:27] Let me let me sit you down and teach you about strategy and all of this.
[00:27:31] And I don't think Carolyn would be receptive to that.
[00:27:33] Yeah.
[00:27:34] So that's going to be another fun one to watch.
[00:27:36] We also have Brittany Haynes and Danielle Reyes also that are going to be in this cast.
[00:27:42] I don't think that Rob has any awareness of these big brother people, but I do think that Danielle would want to work with Rob.
[00:27:50] And I think this is a this is a bummer for Rob.
[00:27:53] I think Rob, if he knew who they were, this would benefit him.
[00:27:56] Like, I think sticking with older school, big personality have been brought back multiple time to their show type of players.
[00:28:05] The players who anyone else is going to say, oh, there's such schemers on that show, which is so funny.
[00:28:10] It's like, you don't mean, you know, you don't scheme any more on Survivor than you do on any other show.
[00:28:15] That's that's more of an argument for the challenge.
[00:28:17] But but like if Brittany and Danielle know who Rob is and want to work with Rob, I think it would only benefit all of them to stick together.
[00:28:26] I think we've seen in the past from Brittany that that might not be the direction that she would move in.
[00:28:32] But I think that Danielle probably would.
[00:28:35] And I think that would be a good I think seeing a Danielle and Rob pair.
[00:28:40] It's not exactly like a Sandra and Rob kind of thing.
[00:28:43] But I think that would be like a good way for them to work together, kind of like how Rob and Sandra did on here.
[00:28:48] Danielle is a longtime Survivor fan.
[00:28:49] So I think she's definitely going to know all the Survivors.
[00:28:52] And I think she'll be very excited to get the chance to work with Rob.
[00:28:56] But are there anybody else that you see that's going to be on the show that you think that might be an interesting relationship one way or another with Rob?
[00:29:07] So immediately after hearing y'all describe his latest alliance in the person who gets bullied by Cochran mold, I looked at the rest of the cast and I'm not really seeing anyone that fits that detail.
[00:29:24] But well, I don't know why the guys he's looking to hang out with now.
[00:29:29] Like I think his adopted son, like he hangs out with Aaron, who is like the like weighs about like 92 pounds and then hangs out with Jonathan from Survivor 42.
[00:29:41] Right.
[00:29:43] So he doesn't really have a type.
[00:29:45] Does the midpoint end up being a Dylan Efron?
[00:29:48] Do we see Boston Rob and brother of Zac Efron working together?
[00:29:54] Wait, is that who Dylan Efron is?
[00:29:56] Yeah.
[00:29:56] Yeah.
[00:29:57] I don't know.
[00:29:58] Who do you think he was?
[00:29:59] Well, I don't know.
[00:30:01] You're like.
[00:30:02] Oh, Down to Earth with Zac Efron.
[00:30:03] Okay.
[00:30:04] Yeah.
[00:30:04] Look at that.
[00:30:05] Is that really?
[00:30:06] Are you really famous?
[00:30:07] If you just.
[00:30:08] This isn't.
[00:30:09] What's that other show?
[00:30:10] The one with your.
[00:30:11] Claim to fame?
[00:30:13] Claim to fame.
[00:30:13] That's my running joke.
[00:30:15] Is that the biggest stretch on this cast?
[00:30:17] Well, him or probably Lord Ivar, who is here or Sam Asghari, who is Brittany's ex, is his.
[00:30:25] Yeah.
[00:30:26] Not pains.
[00:30:27] No.
[00:30:28] Yeah.
[00:30:28] Spears.
[00:30:30] Interesting.
[00:30:31] Yeah.
[00:30:31] So the other thing that I think Rob does is pick out someone.
[00:30:37] And I'm picturing.
[00:30:38] I'm picturing someone from The Bachelor.
[00:30:40] This is.
[00:30:40] This is how I'm thinking about it.
[00:30:42] And he picks them to be kind of his his person that he picks on a bit.
[00:30:46] Not necessarily to their face, but with other people.
[00:30:48] The person that he can sit around.
[00:30:49] Look at this buffoon.
[00:30:50] What are they doing?
[00:30:51] And that and I think there's a couple people on the list who I can see falling into that spot.
[00:30:56] Yeah.
[00:30:56] And that happened to Deal or No Deal Island, where it's like what's going to happen, Pouya,
[00:31:00] is that somebody is going to maybe like innocuously have some kind of a slip up.
[00:31:08] Somebody somebody drops something at a weird moment in the challenge.
[00:31:13] And Rob is like the master of building the sauce on that person to the point where they get stuck in this trap.
[00:31:22] They can't get out of it no matter what.
[00:31:24] The more they try to defend it, like, oh, you see how guilty he looks.
[00:31:28] You see how hard he's trying to cover for it.
[00:31:30] He's gone.
[00:31:31] Oh, we got him.
[00:31:32] And we see that a lot in the early game, in the first couple of rounds.
[00:31:37] So that is that.
[00:31:39] It happened with Peppermint last season.
[00:31:42] But Rob is like did this to a guy so bad on Deal or No Deal Island.
[00:31:47] And this is also where I think when you're asking why I like Rob is because then he'll turn to the Cameron confessionals and be like, yeah, I'm just building something up.
[00:31:56] I'm just doing what I can.
[00:31:57] Like, that's what I love.
[00:31:59] Love to see it.
[00:32:00] So good.
[00:32:00] Sorry, Lord Ivor.
[00:32:03] The other thing he did in Deal or No Deal Island, which I don't know how that would factor in here, is he was surprisingly not personal about things.
[00:32:14] And I don't know.
[00:32:14] And I'm trying to even think from Survivor other than when he was on Survivor when he was like, you know, pretty young.
[00:32:20] He tends to just be kind of in game mode.
[00:32:22] You know what he'll do?
[00:32:22] Like one of the other things he'll do, Puya, is that he will get other people to be like making the personal attacks.
[00:32:30] Like he'll sort of like, you know, foster the environment.
[00:32:33] And then the other people are like, you know, really like going across the line and he'll be like, like, you know, the diplomat of trying to.
[00:32:42] But he sort of like, you know, cultivated that this person is like, you know, going off about something.
[00:32:48] But he's coming across as like, they're not mad at him.
[00:32:53] But he likes the people fighting.
[00:32:55] Yeah.
[00:32:57] Actually, that's kind of like the best sweet spot to be in, because then this one's going to rant about this one to you.
[00:33:02] This one's going to and then you kind of reap the benefits in the middle.
[00:33:05] So, yeah, I think if if if Boston Rob can channel that, like, I'm going to be the leader, but be the mentor and sit back a little.
[00:33:13] If he can even pull back more than he has been in other shows and not be as out front, I think that's a great spot for him.
[00:33:20] He needs to come in and be like, I'm 50 year old Rob, whatever.
[00:33:24] Like, I'm just it's I'm just here for fun.
[00:33:26] You kids fight it out like that.
[00:33:28] He needs to do that.
[00:33:29] Yeah.
[00:33:30] Is he right?
[00:33:31] Not quite.
[00:33:33] He's pushing.
[00:33:34] 48.
[00:33:37] OK, Mary, give us your prediction.
[00:33:39] OK, how's Rob doing on the traders?
[00:33:42] I think Rob, if he is.
[00:33:45] I want two predictions.
[00:33:46] How's he doing overall?
[00:33:47] And then how of the of the four survivors?
[00:33:52] OK.
[00:33:53] Yeah.
[00:33:53] How far is he best, second best, third best or fourth best?
[00:33:59] Of the four survivors.
[00:34:03] He's.
[00:34:04] Third.
[00:34:05] OK.
[00:34:06] He might be second.
[00:34:08] Here's why.
[00:34:08] I think Carolyn's either going home really early or she's making it far.
[00:34:12] And so I think he's beating Tony and Carol.
[00:34:15] I don't think he's beating Jeremy.
[00:34:16] That's where I'm at.
[00:34:17] I don't think he's beating Jeremy and he might not be Carolyn.
[00:34:21] I think he's beating Tony.
[00:34:23] And then overall entire game.
[00:34:26] How many episodes are there?
[00:34:28] It's like 12 or 13.
[00:34:29] Yeah.
[00:34:30] Like not much.
[00:34:31] I think he's making it.
[00:34:32] He's getting out in the fourth episode.
[00:34:34] OK.
[00:34:35] That's a very safe prediction.
[00:34:38] Like I would probably co-sign that.
[00:34:40] Although I'm looking at.
[00:34:41] So he his official like Facebook page profile picture is him with the backwards hat with
[00:34:47] the cigar in his mouth.
[00:34:48] I just that that is a picture of someone who makes it far.
[00:34:51] Like that is a too cool for this game.
[00:34:54] But here's the thing about Rob.
[00:34:56] He I think he's got this attitude now.
[00:34:58] He's on a billion shows.
[00:34:59] I used to be 100 percent like I watched everything.
[00:35:02] I watched his like wedding special like 15 times.
[00:35:05] Like I know everything.
[00:35:06] But now he's on.
[00:35:07] You know it's great.
[00:35:08] It's hilarious.
[00:35:09] She taped it.
[00:35:09] But then.
[00:35:10] I did.
[00:35:11] I downloaded it.
[00:35:12] But he's on like.
[00:35:14] He's on like building shows.
[00:35:16] Yeah.
[00:35:16] And all kinds of things.
[00:35:17] Celebrity home renovation.
[00:35:17] He did like a Rob's tour of Boston.
[00:35:21] Like there's too many things now where he's like whatever.
[00:35:23] This is another thing.
[00:35:24] He's going to try.
[00:35:25] He's going to want to win.
[00:35:26] But if he doesn't I think it's kind of like.
[00:35:27] Yeah what I you know because he's he has the ability to be like.
[00:35:31] Yeah but I'm Boston Rob.
[00:35:33] So I have such a target on my back that if I go out early that's like that.
[00:35:36] The bar is that I don't come in last.
[00:35:38] That I'm not the first person out.
[00:35:40] Because everyone should vote me out.
[00:35:41] And guarantee 100 percent that within the first two episodes he turns to the camera and says something along the lines of.
[00:35:48] If they were smart they should get me out.
[00:35:51] But they won't.
[00:35:52] They never do.
[00:35:53] That's.
[00:35:53] I mean he's going to say that.
[00:35:55] It's like a catchphrase.
[00:35:55] Yeah.
[00:35:55] Yeah.
[00:35:56] He's going to say that in the first two episodes.
[00:35:58] He's probably going to say it in the first episode.
[00:36:00] It's probably the first words we hear from him.
[00:36:02] It is probably because they're coming in like in the armored trucks like bringing them there.
[00:36:07] And that's why we're going to get Devin's confessional.
[00:36:10] Yeah.
[00:36:11] All right.
[00:36:11] Mary.
[00:36:12] Great.
[00:36:13] Boston Rob expert.
[00:36:14] Pooja anything else you want to say about Boston Rob?
[00:36:17] No.
[00:36:18] I mean I'm excited to see him make his debut on the Traders.
[00:36:22] We'll see how he fares.
[00:36:23] And you know depending on how much or how little he gets to play on.
[00:36:28] This is someone I can see them bringing back in the future again.
[00:36:30] Yeah.
[00:36:32] Look at us.
[00:36:32] It's 2025.
[00:36:34] We're about to watch Boston Rob play in a new another reality show that's not even Survivor.
[00:36:41] Love it.
[00:36:42] Life's good.
[00:36:42] Yeah.
[00:36:43] You know.
[00:36:43] Yeah.
[00:36:44] We're spoiled.
[00:36:45] Okay.
[00:36:45] You know some people are going into this month and they're getting ready to celebrate Christmas.
[00:36:49] But you know what's also in December 25th?
[00:36:51] Boston Rob's birthday.
[00:36:53] Yes.
[00:36:54] They're ready for that one.
[00:36:56] Yeah.
[00:36:56] I think him and Eliza are both December 25th.
[00:37:00] Yeah.
[00:37:00] Yeah.
[00:37:01] That's fine.
[00:37:02] We're just this is why we're both Sagittarius.
[00:37:04] We understand each other.
[00:37:06] Okay.
[00:37:07] All right.
[00:37:08] So Boston Rob today.
[00:37:10] Tomorrow we talk about Carolyn Weaker and Booyah.
[00:37:17] I'm very excited to get into that with somebody who talked about Boston Rob with Chappelle and myself.
[00:37:23] When we cover Dondi, it's Jenny Autumn will join us for our Carolyn preview.
[00:37:29] That's coming up tomorrow here.
[00:37:31] And of course, you can get all of our previews.
[00:37:35] WeKnowTraders.com for the link to subscribe.
[00:37:37] Mary, what exciting things are you working on?
[00:37:41] I just want to call out because someone's going to yell at me.
[00:37:43] December 25th is Capricorn.
[00:37:45] My bad.
[00:37:47] Jenny Autumn might have called you out.
[00:37:48] So I was like, I'm getting ahead of that tweet.
[00:37:51] So what am I up to?
[00:37:53] I think we're going to be covering the newest season of The Ultimatum in a one-off episode.
[00:37:58] So check that out.
[00:37:59] Do a quick little recap on that.
[00:38:02] And otherwise, yeah, you can catch me everywhere at Frail Mary.
[00:38:08] Chilling.
[00:38:09] And, oh, I've got a recommendation.
[00:38:11] Oh, it's good.
[00:38:12] I feel like this like missed.
[00:38:14] I don't know.
[00:38:14] Maybe everyone else knew about this, but I didn't.
[00:38:17] No, the other kind of missed.
[00:38:19] I missed this one.
[00:38:21] Both the book and the HBO TV show Station Eleven.
[00:38:25] Incredible.
[00:38:26] I don't know why nobody's watching this.
[00:38:27] This is not like a new show, Mary, right?
[00:38:29] No.
[00:38:29] This is just, it was in 2022.
[00:38:31] And I feel like I didn't hear about it.
[00:38:33] Okay.
[00:38:34] But it's so good.
[00:38:34] So I just need to let the world know.
[00:38:36] A little behind this eight ball, but okay.
[00:38:39] You know what?
[00:38:39] I need it to be relevant.
[00:38:40] I'm over here.
[00:38:41] Look, I'm back in like the early 2000s watching Rob's wedding show.
[00:38:49] But, you know, for the rest of the world.
[00:38:51] You're catching up.
[00:38:52] Okay.
[00:38:52] I'm catching up.
[00:38:53] All right.
[00:38:54] And Pouya, what else is going on for you?
[00:38:56] Nine In It Fiance, Hot Mess Express, Traders UK coming up as well.
[00:39:01] Going to be covering that as well as US with you, Rob.
[00:39:04] And you can otherwise find me on all socials at Pouyaism or twitch.tv slash Pouya.
[00:39:08] All right.
[00:39:09] You at home watching on YouTube.
[00:39:11] How do you think Boston Rob is going to do?
[00:39:13] Let us know your predictions for Rob Mariano on the traders in the comments here on YouTube.
[00:39:19] And then we'll be back tomorrow to talk about Carolyn.
[00:39:22] Take care, everybody.
[00:39:22] Have a good one.
[00:39:23] Bye.