The Social Game Ep 6: Andrea Boehlke’s Red Flags and Green Flags

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[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_06] We are back on my couch. We are no longer Hotel Hoppers. And today we are joined by one of my all time favorite people. Survivor has done a lot for me, but one of the greatest things it's done is brought me this person. And that is a fact. And today we are joined by Andrea Belke. That is so nice. I mean, it's true. This is adorable. It's true. I'm so excited to have you. We are thrilled. The first night I basically ever went to any

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02] thing Survivor themed. You were there. Okay. And it was a, it was an interesting welcome into the world, but I will always be very grateful to you for guiding me through that night. Even if maybe you don't remember it super well. It's not that I forgot about it. I wasn't like drinking that much or anything. I just in general. There's a lot of these things. There's a long time. It all kind of mushes together. I'm washed up now. This is a while ago. You'll go to so many parties and they're all going to kind of blend together. Yes, but never forget your first. Yeah, I do remember meeting you and I, it was a fun time.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02] It was a fun time, but it was weird. You don't remember this at all? No, I remember you tell it because I'm going to tell her. Yeah. This was like a formidable moment. She does not remember. But I was not because I was super drunk or anything. I truly. Oh, sorry. I don't want to paint that picture. It was not that I truly, I have the memory of a goldfish. Like I can't remember anything. It was just weird for me. And this was like the period of time in my life where I'm like, you know, just went through trauma. So I remember every single thing about when I got back. Okay. So this is the 44 finale.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_02] Pre party that's happening in New York. This is the first thing I'm going to. I've been back from Survivor for like five days, six days. Like we're very fresh, fresh. I'm very skinny and easily drunk, to be honest. And we went to a party. We met, we're like hanging out. And then we're all trying to go to a second location, which becomes a drama because everything's closed near like midtown.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02] So we go somewhere. It's not good. And there's this girl who none of us know, who's friends with, I think Gio from season 43, who was, Gio mentioned in 2025, who, who like was like, we should go to this. I have no idea. No, it's so fun. We should go to this gay bar, but it was like far away. So everybody's like, no, we're just going to walk to this other bar. And she had called Ubers and we didn't get in it, but I was blissfully. And so were you unaware of what was happening.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02] We end up still going to the gay bar because this bar we go to was bad. And then once we get there, I don't know why you and I were the targets of this, but we, she came up to us and was like, you two bitches think you're too good for a gay bar. Like you're homophobic. I'm there. Like, I'm literally gay. Like, I promise you, you are really upset at the beginning, but then you were so nice to her. You're like, um, we didn't even know. Like, I'm so sorry.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02] She was literally like screaming at us, like full screaming. Oh my gosh. I didn't even remember this. And you blocked it out. And we, we were there like really late. I don't know why.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_06] This is healthy compartmentalization. Anytime anybody else at me, I just like.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_04] She like kind of apologized, but. I remember there was drama for sure, but I think I more remembered the bar we went to before that. We were trying to get in and they were closing down and we were rolling with you, me, um, a couple other survivor.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brett from 433. Yeah. It was a, it was a random, it was a very random group.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04] Fairly random. And then, and then some of the fans that were there. Yes, they met him with us. And so we were trying to get, get drinks and. Oh, I remember this. The bartender said, no, we're, we're closing up. You have to leave. And then somebody in our group, uh, it was not one of the survivor players, but someone said, don't you know who they are?

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, it was really horrible.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04] I think they even pointed at me. They're like, don't you know who she is? You were the poster child. And I was like, do not say that. This is so embarrassing. You're like Google, Google. It's so embarrassing. Like, you don't know who I am? I was on Survivor like a decade ago.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02] It was so embarrassing. Please, Midtown bar, Irish bar.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_06] She, Andrea, I will say does get recognized a lot. I do actually. Like you are, especially when we were in Wisconsin, it was like everyone, everyone knew you. It was really fascinating.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. I mean, in Wisconsin. Your local celeb. Well, no, it's so crazy. So, okay. My last season was Game Changers. So that was what? 2016, I think. Long time ago. Yeah. Almost 10 years. What? Maybe 2017, 2017, 2018 of when it aired. Fact check me. Yeah, we're good. 2017, 2018. Okay, great. I'll just start like spewing out things that aren't real. Um, and it's been so long, but like I swear in Milwaukee and Wisconsin, like I'm recognized once a week. No, it's crazy. Nice.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_06] Well, yeah. It's truly crazy. But also like even, I mean, even when we were at a Giants game, you got recognized, like you do get recognized a lot. But also, I think you're, you're also like really pretty. So people probably are like, huh. You know, they give you an extra stare, you know?

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_04] I feel like, okay, so I just kind of feel like I'm not, like my features aren't different. I feel like I look like any other blonde girl. But I do feel like for some reason I'm recognizable. Like I do have people stop me a lot. Yeah. Do you guys have people? You probably do. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. But like, I think here people expect me to be here.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_06] Like if people see me out and about, they'll be like, did we go to school together? I've had that happen. Yeah. I get a lot of like, and then you play this game. It's the worst game. And you know it if you're a Z-list celebrity like me. It's like people start guessing then where they know you from. And it's like weird stuff. And I, you don't want to be the person who's like, well, do you watch Survivor? And they're like, no. And then you're like, oh, that's the worst. And then they start asking all the basic questions.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_06] And then I'm like, do you watch the challenge? You're like, no. And I'm like, okay, well, did you go to Freehold Borough High School? I like, you know, you kind of feel like a douchebag if you like bring up. Hugely like a douchebag. The reason that they might know you. So you kind of teeter around it. And then my sister gets annoyed. She's like, ah, do you watch TV? Like, you know. Yeah, Gabby does the same thing for me. Yeah. So it's, it's awkward.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04] It's so weird because I don't really consider any of us celebrities or anything, but we do get recognized out and about. So it's always interesting what you're doing when you get recognized. Yeah. Like I know this one, this thing, this thing I'll always remember in New York. I, I would, when I lived in New York, I was really into string cheese. So I would be like eating. I probably ate like 15, I probably ate like 15 string cheese a day. What?

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04] I love, and I actually, I found out I'm actually lactose intolerant. So it makes a lot of sense. I was always like sick, but so I would be, I would be eating string cheese on the train. I was always eating string cheese on a city bike. And one time, one time I got a message and some guy messaged me.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_06] Oh no. Do you not like string cheese? I mean, who doesn't like string cheese? I don't think I like it 15 times. I'm not going to be riding a city bike. You're mid city bike eating cheese. I love string cheese. I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04] Are you like, like you go like, you don't peel? No, I peel. Okay. How are you peeling and biking? You can bite it and then just, just stretch it down.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_06] And let me tell you also, I have a little bit of a problem of eating anything on a subway. Oh no, it's disgusting. It's disgusting. No, it's terrible.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_04] It's terrible, but I was eating. So I guess I was eating a string cheese on the train or like waiting for a train. And then a week later, I got a message from this guy that said, Hey, I just want to tell you that like, I saw you waiting for a train and I really wanted to say hi to you, but I was with my mom and she said, don't bother her. She's eating string cheese. And I guess now, cause he messaged me years later, those two will quote that all the time. Just randomly. I mean, that's a hilarious thing. Don't bother her. She's eating string cheese. Honestly, I might steal that.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_06] Have you seen the TikTok where like they hold like brothers or friends or whatever will hold up? Like, what do you say every single time that mom does something? It's like a secret language test. Like thing. Yeah. Yeah. You do have isms, right? Like I have a lot of like isms with my sister that like nobody else would get the reference to that like dates back from like decades ago. Like some girl, Laura from high school said this thing that we just latched onto and then

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_06] somehow it now, who knows where Laura is, but everybody knows that that phrase. Yeah. The phrase.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04] So I love that this mom and son just have this thing. That's so cute. Because I was being disgusting and just like eating, peeling string cheese, waiting for the A train.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_06] Well, I would say let's hope that this goes viral and you get sponsored by string cheese. String cheese. But no, you're lactose intolerant. We got to find a new vice for you.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04] Well, I've been trying to get a lactate sponsorship. There you go. Okay. You get the string cheese and the lactate. You think it collab? Well, you know.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_06] Honestly, that might be the collab of your dreams.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04] It would be. Because they go together, you know?

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_06] They really do. We were talking about the first time. So like we were talking, reading the notes that you like had sent. And I was like, oh, we're going to talk about the time that you guys met. And I was like, I have no recollection of when me and you met. And she reminded me. And it was the same experience. She was like my first intro to Survivor. Because, well, she only remembers because she was hosting the event. So she knew she had invited me or whatever.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_06] But I was on my first season. It hadn't aired yet. So like nobody knew who the fuck I was. And I had gone with the Beauty Tribe girls. So like Julia and Anna were with me. And we roll in. And like we're in the VIP section. But like nobody knows.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02] Yes, this was the experience that I was having.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_06] Who's this peasant? Yeah. I actually went with Brandon. You don't remember meeting me that day? Well, when you said it, I remember that it was your event. Because you hosted it with Meg. Yeah. And so when you said it, I was like, oh, that did have to be the first time that we hung out. But I don't think we like hung out. I was trying to get hit on Joaquin from. Oh, yeah.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah, Joaquin. Julia. Julia. I don't know.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_06] I've heard of him. Julia was like being pursued by Rodney. And I was heavily pursuing Joaquin. Although. Did you make any moves with that one? No, dude. I tried so hard. I all but threw myself at this. And he had no interest. I was like, are you gay? It turns out he ended up dating a girl for a really long time. So I was like, so it was just me. Huh? All right. Wanted to know who you were yet. I was so sad. And honestly, I will say I was a bit chubby at that time. I came back from Survivor.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02] You came back from Survivor.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_06] Okay, because no. Because then I over kind of compensated. I like went too far the other direction. Where I was so starved that then I ate so much. I really could not gain weight. I was like a blowfish.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_03] You know, I was like. Okay, but no one. That seems dramatic. Yeah.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_06] It was the heaviest I had ever been in my life.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, but you looked amazing. Yeah, you are good. No, I was.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_06] Guys. We don't have to. We don't have to blow smoke here. I had to go back on Survivor. I'll tell you. It was so hard.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02] It does mess with your metabolism. Well, yeah. I mean. I couldn't gain weight back. That was my problem. Like I was trying so hard. You okay?

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. Devin got me this for Christmas. I said it was too dainty and I'd break it. And sure enough, I broke it.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02] And we caught it on camera. I know. Is it broken broken? It's okay. We can fix it.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_06] We'll get it fixed. There's a warranty on it, I'm sure. Anyways. Oh no, she's so sad. I really am. I just knew it wasn't terrible enough for a girl like me. Well, you set the expectation. I know. You were thinking about how you couldn't get Joaquin. I know. I started anxiously fiddling it. I started thinking about my weight gain at that time. Oh no. I just, I went on a spiral. But I will say, people don't talk about this. Everybody's like, oh, Survivor, like the best diet ever. But truly when you get home, it's actually like almost the reverse.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_06] Is that then you're so hungry all the time. And it's really easy to put on 10 pounds, but it's really hard to lose 10 pounds. So like the 39 days, you wither away and then you come back and you, it was almost like the freshman 15.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02] Your metabolism slows too. Yeah. I think I like try to do some research into this because I was like, what's happening to my body? Yes. And it was just like your metabolism slows. So then everything you put in, it's just going to like. That's so interesting. And also when you, your muscle burns, like the more muscle you have on you, the more calories you burn at rest. Wow. So if you lose all your muscle, you will burn less calories just by existing. Interesting. Inherently.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_04] Wow. I mean, I won't get too deep into the weeds here, but it's so that the weight loss and then gain back is really hard for someone. Like I struggled with eating disorders, especially my first season only being 21. I was still like in the throes of eating disorders. So when you get so thin with someone that had like body dysmorphia, eating disorders, like I was bleeming it. Like it was so, you're like, wow, this is what I wanted. I wanted.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02] It's so, and then like the world affirms like, oh, you look so great. Island hot. It's so bad. And it kind of like messes you that way too. Yes.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_06] It is very, very difficult. I was only 24 too. So I was. You guys were so bad. Oh my God. Like, listen, I mean, we're not babies by, but like you are still learning the world and you're putting yourself out there. You're like withering. It's not an attainable weight for anyone. And it's not healthy. It's not healthy. And then suddenly like, that's what people see you as. And then they see you in real life and you're like, well, now I have a little, you know, I had a big thing.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_06] Like I thought it was only women, but actually Ethan has opened up a lot about like his body. Like it's not just women who go through that. And I find it really interesting that everybody, a lot of people have a similar experience with it.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02] Do you remember like the first time you would see, like you saw yourself when you like laughed like in a mirror? Yeah. That image is like burned into my brain.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_06] Well, they brought, so for the breakfast, the morning of like our, like when? You're always at the end. They brought us, and could they do this now? Probably not. But they brought us a scale and a full length mirror. No, I know.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02] That's a, you may not do that for you. So I will, I mean, I think this is fine to share. So they stopped giving scales, I think. Oh yeah. But they brought it back for us. So I didn't weigh myself. So me, I was the second juror. I got out and I did not weigh, I didn't have a scale when I got out, which is for the best. I was already a hot mess. I didn't need to see that. And then we were at Tribal and me and Caleb were like sitting in the thing. And Jeff comes up to us and is like bantering with us. And we're like, oh, we're so skinny. He's like, how much weight did you lose? I'm like, I don't know. And he's like, get these guys a scale.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02] No, it shows up in like the next hour. And so I weighed myself. Like I had been at Ponderosa for like three, two or three days. And I was 115, which is like at least 15 down. So it was probably more than, I played for 17, 16 days. It was like very dramatic. That's crazy. And now I think they have it, but they didn't take pictures. So you take pictures, no pictures of us right away. And we didn't have a scale until a few days later. And then everyone started doing it. And I think they have it back now.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. It's not in general. I don't even have a scale. Like I don't weigh myself because I used to have just so many issues with that. But Survivor was really hard for it. So hard. Yeah. And I will say. It was a different time though. It was. It was a different time. It was. Like it was a time where like people would shame you on the internet for that. I mean, they still, people still do. But that was so hyper fixated on.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_06] Oh, the body shaming. You know what? It's really crazy. I talked to a lot of people from the challenge who like were obviously peak stars. Like real world road rules peak days were like. Like was crazy. They were like celebrities. I mean, so was Survivor, guys. Yeah. Well, true, true. No, no, no. I know that's true. But I more mean like people, I hear stories from like Anissa or like these challenge people that were regular weight.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_06] And the things that people would call them, like it was so crazy to hear back like how they were perceived for how they, I thought I'm like, that's normal. Yeah. And people would call them fat. Like there was just such a thing in that time about weight shaming. You watch Britney Spears. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Just when we were growing up and stuff. It was so critical. Now, thank God. Slightly better.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_04] Society's moving away from that, I think. But I mean, I had people. And again, I was always thin. It's just that I, because of the time we were in, I had body dysmorphia. But people would like take a picture of me if I was like sitting down like on Survivor and there was like a roll or something. And they would say like, you're so fat. No, it's crazy. And at the time, now it would be, ha ha. I wouldn't think about it twice. But at the time, I was a really insecure girl. I mean, that doesn't feel good for anybody. I was 21, 23.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_04] And then when I was on a season with Natalie and Ashley, who were both just insanely beautiful, people would call me like the ugly stepsister or something. Stop. Okay. One of the first things I read about me, which this one is kind of funny, but people were discussing if I was attractive or not. Like it was, there was always these threads of like, is she attractive or not? And, and then someone said, I don't know. She kind of looks like an incest chipmunk baby. Stop.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_06] I had really chubby cheeks. What like a wild thing to call somebody. That's insane. I mean, points for creativity. But like, what the fuck? I went and came in on the beauty tribe. And of course, everybody is like wants to then talk about how you look. And it's like, that's just not how you want to enter. No. Like, no, that's not how you want to lead in. And they're like, people were like critiquing, like, well, how'd they get into the beauty tribe? Do they deserve it? And it's like, oh my God. You know, social media. Do you deserve it?

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_06] It was crazy at that time. And I do feel social media has shifted a lot since we've been on. That was 10 years ago.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_04] My first season. How long ago was yours? My first season, I was 21. So, and I'm 35 now. It was so long ago. And so.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02] What was social media then? Like mostly like Twitter and Facebook?

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04] I'll tell you what it was. It was Survivor Sucks. Do you remember that? I have heard about Survivor Sucks. I don't even want to give it attention, but I'll just. Yeah, I know low key. But basically. I don't know what it is. No, but basically it was, I feel like it was a different time for social media. Don't look. No, no, no. Don't look. Please don't. This was. Okay. So this was, I would say. Oh my God. No. I would say this was the hardest part about my entire Survivor experience was reading what people would write about me.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, I don't do well with that either.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_04] So I grew up. Let's tap a talk.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_05] What? Is that it?

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_04] That's what it's hosted on. No, I'm dying because we all know. Like we all know the war. Yeah, Brandon and I know. Wait, why do we all know that before?

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02] Why did it? When I came back. No, I didn't. I didn't even watch Survivor until the pandemic, but I came back and discovered this because things are being written about me on it. I must have been on this when I was on it. Everyone.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_04] No one is safe. Before Reddit, this was, it was so mean. And what happened to me was I, they spoiled me before I went on and I thought that I wasn't even going to be able to play. So I, my mom and I were aware of this site because someone said there's a girl and they didn't say my name, but she's a blonde 21 from random Lake Wisconsin. And we were all panicking and I'm like, CBS is going to call me. That's so, I mean, that's terrifying. Yeah. So that's how we were aware of it.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04] When I came back and the cast was announced, I, this site was just so nasty to me. I felt like it was nasty to me, especially, but it's, you're only reading what people say about you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say people hated me from the get go, especially on this site, because back then, Dalton Ross, he knows, I've forgiven him, but he would ask you, who's your favorite survivor contestant? Who's your least favorite? And he asked me my favorite. I can't remember who he said, but he said, what's your least favorite? And I didn't have, I was a 21 year old person.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_04] Like I wasn't, I'm a different person now. Right. Yeah. And I didn't have a reason. I was kind of playing this whole shtick. Like I'm a tough farm girl. Like I was so in this, like I'm a tough farm girl and I didn't know what to say. So I said, Courtney Yates. By the way, no, I love Courtney Yates. She's one of the coolest people ever. That is going to not go over. No, I like, I love Courtney Yates and I think Courtney and I have mended things too. Like I think I apologized to her. I didn't know what I was, I was on the spot. I thought I had to answer. No, I totally know how that feels.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_04] My prefrontal cortex wasn't developed. I didn't know. It's true. I just needed to answer it because I felt like I had to. So I said, oh, I guess Courtney Yates. Cause I just, I don't think she participated in the challenges a lot. It makes sense.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02] Like the antithesis of what you're trying to represent.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_06] I just did the challenge reunion and they asked me who the most overrated. Oh yeah. You took a lot of heat for this one. And I said CT. And let me tell you, the reaction was wild. But here's the truth is that I was, I, I tried to not respond. And that was not going to go over. There was no not responding. They were going to sit there in silence until I responded. So I was like, fuck, I don't have a lot of knowledge of the challenge. So I'm like flipping through people who I could think of.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_06] And the only name that was not in the room that I could think that people like rate highly is CT. So I was just like, I'll just say CT. You just say a name. I just needed to say a name. And then I was like, I'm a dipshit for that. But yeah, I could have said any other name.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah, no, I know. So I have so many rivalries.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02] But the pregame thing is like, you haven't even done anything.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_04] And you're just trying to impress people. You're just, you think you have to answer every question. Yeah.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02] You don't think you can say no because it's like your first thing, whatever. It's just.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04] Or you're like 87th thing. But still, you think you can't say no. And I felt like I was playing this character of a tough farm girl. I don't know. Like for no reason. And I grew up super religious, lots of religious guilt. My family is very religious and all of that. And so right every time my name would come up, people would say like, oh, I think she's a slut, whatever.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04] So then, and back in the day, back when I was in high school, that was so. People would just say that. People would just say that. That was the biggest insult. And it actually, you felt a lot of shame. And at that time too, I was not even doing it. I was, I've been fighting that my entire life. I was called a slut in high school before I even made out with somebody. Like it's just always been a thing, right? So. You're giving slut energy? I don't know. I think because I'm a friendly girl. Yeah. Well, you are flirty. I was very flirty. It doesn't mean that you're a slutty, but you definitely are flirty. I used to be really flirty. I'm not as flirty anymore, but just.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04] Your aura is a little flirty. Yeah. This whole.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_06] Even though you said, I used to be flirty. Like I'm so not a flirt. I like flirt by like. I flirt by basically berating you.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04] I love it. Survivor sucks. Also, I hate that we're giving them so much attention. I hate it.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02] Believe it. Believe it. Yeah. Believe it. If you know, you know.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. If you know, you know, whatever. Now it's all funny to me, but someone went on there and wrote what sounded like a real story. They said, Hey, I just want to let you guys know. I ran. I went to a bar. I actually met someone who's a producer on Survivor and they told me Andrea is like hooks up with all of these Survivor people. And they listed all these people. They said, Malcolm, Eddie, Reynolds, Cochran, all the people I played with. And then, which none of these were true. And then they said at the end, they go three Survivor producers, Jeff Probst, Tata the Bushman.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_04] Not Tata the Bushman catching strays. Yes. Tata the Bushman, who is this like four foot Filipino man who he won on a reward. To help us fix the shelter. And people believe that? That should be the illegitimizing joke, correct? No, it was clearly a joke. It was so clearly a joke. I even thought it was funny. You see Tata the Bushman, you're like, okay. Yeah. But what happened was people started to run with it and then no one knew what was real or not. So then.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_06] I mean, if my history was Eddie, Malcolm, and Reynolds, I'd be like, I'll actually let that ride.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04] I'll let that rumor ride. It was like, I'm being labeled this and I didn't even get to enjoy when I'm being accused of. I know. That's sad. It was obviously a joke. And remember also major religious guilt. So my mom would read these things and she would go, is that true? And she's like, I'm disappointed. I feel like I failed as a mom. Like I'm reading all these rumors. I'm like, mom, I didn't do this.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, that's horrible.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04] And then I would sit down with her and say like, no, mom, like, I don't know why they're saying these things about me. Because then every time my name came up or a picture of me, it could be anything, a picture holding a coffee cup. People are like, oh, she's like, make some like sexual jokes. Oh, is there? What's in that cup? This is coffee.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_06] Is that a mug of man juice?

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03] Like, I'm not even kidding.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_06] Remember your audience. Yeah. My audience.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03] That was PG. I called it man juice. This is literally what people would say. That's too much for me.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_06] Oh.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_03] It's what people. You're a nurse. It's what people would say.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_06] I don't know what that. Oh, really? What the fuck do you think I'm doing as a nurse? Well, I don't know. Whenever I wear a nurse outfit, that's what I'm doing. One step forward.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_04] Three steps back for women. So it was, it seems funny now, but at the time it was devastating.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_06] We're not laughing at you. No, they're laughing at me. And we're also laughing because Brandon has quite the job editing this podcast. I want to keep that. I want. Okay.

[00:25:10] Right.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_00] Hello. Hello, Michelle and Kelly. Sorry for hijacking the podcast real quick, but I wanted to let the lovely audience of the social game pod know. Hello. My name is Pouya. I am one half of the Pouya and Liana lounge, a brand new podcast over here on RHAP. If you're looking for immaculate vibes, good energy, and lots of lore unlocked, we have got the place for you. You can join us over on PouyaandLiana.com for the audio, or if you're looking for the video, that's every week on Fridays, right here on the RHAP YouTube channel and check us out there.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00] Anyway, back to the immaculate vibes over here on the social game. Let's go.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04] I'm not even kidding though, Kelly. That's what you would say. No, I believe you. I believe you. I could be doing anything. And every comment was about that. And then it became where people are like, oh, I've heard people would say, she doesn't have the best reputation. Because this weird story. Because of one Tata the Bushman rumor. Yeah. But this is the thing. Now, as a 35-year-old woman, I don't care. It's like, if someone said that about me, I'd be like, okay, whatever. I didn't. Yeah. But at the time, 21, 23, my mom thinking she failed as a parent. That's especially.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_06] And like Tata the Bushman, like does sound a little, like it sounds like somebody I probably have hooked up with. They might be, you know, Tata the Bushman. Does sound like my type. Wow. There's no context to who that is.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04] You should put it, put in a picture. I mean, he was adorable. He was adorable, but I did not hook up with him. And anyway, anyway. Never beating the allegations. Again. Adorable. Again.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_06] Every show I've been on, I've hooked up with somebody. Except, I mean, not on Survivor, but I really have left a wake of broken hearts in my past. A lot of men with face tattoos in my history. And honestly, a few women as well. My parents have to sit on the couch together with my brother every Wednesday and click it on and just pray that I don't. I'm awake in the bottle.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_02] I can contribute in. What? He said, now we're on a topic I can contribute in here. Yeah.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04] I'm always amazed. It's like your parents are so chill about it.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_06] Well, okay. So there was an episode zero on the Challenge 39 and we played Spin the Bottle. And I'm like, fuck. I'm with my mom, my dad, and my brother. We're in Nashville and we're in a hotel room watching it on like a little dinky TV. And I'm like, shit, I got to warn them. So I'm like, guys, I'm about to do something really bad. And then I'm sitting with my dad. I'm passionately making out with this girl, Melissa. And I'm like, sorry, dad.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02] I couldn't be next to my parents at all if that was going to be on tape. And you know what?

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_06] What's so crazy, like my dad reads all of the things too. So like he sees everything that everybody says about me. But I think he just like, they just like, my parents just know who I am. I've never like hid any sort of facet. There's no space to hide anything in my family. Like everybody's just such an open book that for better or for worse, like they're just like, okay, that's who she is. And she does that. And also, I mean. Speaking of family. Yeah, speaking of family.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_06] Look, my sister is bringing me an Aperol spritz. It's, I mean, you must have just kept adding things to try to balance it out. And then you really brought it right to the tip.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_06] Okay. You look cute. We'll split this cow.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_04] Were your parents a fan of Survivor? Did they watch the show? No.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02] They were, when I told them I wanted to apply, they were like, my mom was like, what if you fall in a ditch and no one goes to find you? I'm like, mom, it's not like that. Like, it's really going to be fine. But no, they were, they didn't read like, but actually, I don't know if you remember this, Sandra, I had like a very, I don't want to give too much light to this either. But I had a very violating fan experience. And I posted about it on a close friend story. And you talked to me and you were so nice. It made me feel better. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was not fun. Do you remember that or no? They just like. No.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04] So, once again. I'm telling you. I think that. I know. We've been having interventions. I have, I have Googled, I have Googled early onset Alzheimer's. Like, I actually think my memory, it's, it's weird. Well, I think what happens is my memory and my brain is so trained to be an expert about something because my hosting works. So I can be an expert about something for a couple of days. Like I was just hosting this, the micro cap conference with all these CEOs of all these companies.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04] I don't know anything about the world, but for those three days, I was an expert. And then my brain unloads. Blank slate. Right? Yeah. And so I feel like I don't have, I don't have any space in my brain to remember everything. Like I don't remember people. That's fine.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02] It's very freeing. Most of the stuff you don't need to remember. So what happened with, so what happened with the fan? He wasn't, he wasn't, it was a, it was a bad situation, but he just like found a way to inappropriately contact everyone in my family and sent very mean messages to them. And it was terrifying. And you were very nice about it. I always have. But they don't really read anything.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_06] I like, I know this sounds crazy, but like, okay, obviously stalkers are bad. We know. So take this with a grain of salt. But I'm just saying, I feel offended that nobody's ever tried to stalk me before. Am I not stalkable? Like I feel? This is giving me anxiety that now people are going to be like, let me look at the view outside Michelle's apartment. Listen, I'm grateful because then I go down this rabbit hole when I think this about myself and I'm like, I can't believe nobody's stalked me. God. And then I think, okay, well, how, then you're, you live in terror and I don't want to live

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_06] in terror, but I do want to feel appreciated and I want to feel a little stalked.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02] You don't have enough appreciation.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_06] No, I don't actually. So if you'd like to stalk me. Oh, I'm here. I'm here a lot more than I thought I ever would be.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_04] The most time I've had people show up at things was when I had a job in the city where you could find the address of that job. So I've had people, when I worked at People Magazine, people would wait for me outside of the building.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_06] I'm just not stalkable in that way. Yeah. You're not stalkable. No, I don't give, I don't give. I don't give. You're on the go. It's such a bummer. Or you've got a different Pilates studio. I don't give I'm stalker. I don't give like stalker, stalk me vibes. Like you kind of do.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04] What? What? Like if I were to, if I were to stalk. What does that even mean?

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_06] If I were to stalk anybody, like you seem, do you seem a little stalkable? Wait, why? Why do you say that? Well, well, first off, if you're friends, let me just say there is a special place and it is Andrea's close friend story. Oh yeah. And every week there is really a situation that you get put in, AKA you put yourself in that usually has some sort of stranger that you let into your life that crosses a line

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_06] that you can't tell them that they crossed a line.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_04] So then they're in your house repairing your, uh, I'll tell this story and you can decide if you want to take it out or not. My problem is I think my whole life I've always relied on these dopamine hits, right? Like it's all this excitement of like, I play survivor and then I get a job at people. I play survivor again. Then I'm acting on a TV show. I'm doing New Year's Eve and then I play survivor again.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02] And now I'm in Milwaukee and I'm, you're searching for, I'm kind of bored.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04] Like I love my job.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_06] So I think I'm going to get the adrenaline, um, like chain, like chain reaction tattooed on me. Cause I'm the same.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, you, oh, you mean like, like the chemistry.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm going to get it. Cause I, I also, obviously we go on these shows because we seek that hit that like adrenaline hit and you're really on the hunt for it.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04] It's getting me a little scared, but I stepped back from all of that. Like I've said no to several reality shows recently. Like I just like my piece now, but I still want a little bit of that, a little bit of that danger. Oh, but basically, and I'm a really, I would say I'm a very nice trusting person. So what happened was, what happened was, okay, there was a screen, like a window screen in our house that my ex's dog had clawed through. Right. And my sister, I love my sister. She kept saying, Andrea, get this screen fixed, get the screen fixed.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_04] I was looking at the screen. I don't know how to fix this screen. I'm sure I could figure it out, but I just don't want to. So I happen to be on Reddit. I'm a walkie Reddit. Cool place to be.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_06] All good things start on Reddit. I'm on Bahamas Reddit right now. Cause I'm going to Bahamas. I'm such a Reddit nerd.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_04] Same.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_06] You're not traumatized. So no, I don't want to look at those Reddit.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. No, it's just Milwaukee Reddit. You can find things to do. Books, fragrances. I'm on every Reddit. So I needed to fix this screen. I'm getting guilted for it. And then I see on Reddit, someone goes, Hey, I just got kicked out of my, my house. I have nowhere to stay. I am looking for extra cash. Like I would do any, any odd jobs for you. And then these people are commenting saying, Hey man, I know life's tough. You could actually move this couch for 30 bucks. You could do this. And then I go, this is perfect.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_04] I actually have a screen for you.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_06] I have a problem and you can be, you, you seem to have your shit together. Why don't you solve my problem?

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_05] This is the perfect problem.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04] So I say, a handyman, a handyman just fell into my lap. And so I, I go, Hey, I actually have a screen that you could fix and I'll pay you. And I offered to pay him 50 bucks. So we, okay. So this is where things started to go awry. We're talking, we're talking, we're talking. And he, he sends me some pictures from whatever Menards, whatever store he was going to get the supplies from. And he says, okay, it's going to cost like 18 bucks for the supplies. And I say, okay, cool.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04] I can, I can send you money. Do you have Venmo? He goes, I have PayPal. I'm like, okay, that's fine. And then he gives me the, the name and it was kind of, you know, making this a little different, but, um, Nick Schreier 666. I'm like, Ooh, I didn't know if that was a red flag. No. The 666 of it all. Is that a red flag? Or no.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_06] Oh, I feel if anybody actively chooses to put 666 in any, in a title of theirs. Yeah. Yes. That's universally a red flag. That is the numbers of the devil.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. I know. I think devil numbers. Yes. Yeah. I think I'm pretty sure spotting a red flag. So I, I did go, huh? Not the best username, but okay. And so I also then went to his page and it was not safe for work. I go, uh-oh. Okay. So I clicked on it, but it was just because of gaming. It was just because of gaming.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_06] But this is, so I would just like to interject here because as her friend on, I'm watching her close stories progress and she's telling this tale. I say, well, this would be the time to pull out. This would be the time. You know what? I'll Venmo you the $50. Consider it charity. You keep all this green stuff and let's just call it a wash. You got the devil in the name, not safe for work. Like, signs are pointing to, I don't need my screen fixed. The flags are flying. I would say my wellbeing and safety probably ranks a little bit higher than this screen.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_04] But did she do that? No. No. So the problem is, and I honestly, if you want to therapize me, you can because I think I need it. No, I've tried. Yeah. I'm about nine years into this friendship. I've tried. I don't know what comes over me, but I think I just go with it. Like, I think I just go with it. A lot of, I have crazy stories from my life and it's because I just go, yes and. Well, so I go, you know what? He's still, I want to help this guy out. So I Venmo, or I PayPal him the money. He gets the supplies.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_04] He sends me a picture of the wire cutters. So I'm like, he's literally sending the murder weapon. So then, so then I'm like, okay, great. And we arranged a time. And so the time is coming up and he messages me and he says, Hey, I'm going to grab the bus because he doesn't have a car. I don't know when I will get there, but unless you want to pick me up from Starbucks, I just want to get it over at this point. So I go and pick him up. Oh my God. No, I know. Yeah, I know. I'm, it's up. Is anyone else at your house? No.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_06] Did you pack a weapon?

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_04] No, I'm telling you.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_06] It's perfectly stockable. I'm sorry, but you. You're not beating the hell like patients. No, it's. Because you're doe-eyed and you're cute and you like, you let people in.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_04] I mean, it's nice that you want to see the good in people. No, I actually don't know what's wrong with me. So then, so I did learn my lesson though. So then I pick him up. Well, I'm shaking. I think I honestly, I think it might be the thrill. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is a little, maybe this is too far. Yeah. But at this point, this guy was so nice in messages and I felt bad that it was a guy down bad. And so, and so he comes.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02] I'm sweating here.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04] He comes out of the coffee shop. He, you know, long hair, has a backpack. He has tattoos, like tattoos here. And one is an upside down cross and one's a upside down smiley face. That's my type actually. And so then we go to my house and he is starting to work on the screen and he's watching a YouTube video to kind of fix it. And he basically can't figure it out. So I'm working next to him, shoulder to shoulder, helping him. He has this knife cutting this.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_04] He also pulled out his own, you know, blade. I'm like, dude, this is insane.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_06] And you're paying this man and you're ending up doing it yourself.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_04] So I'm sitting there. What am I even doing? And then I have to go to him. I have to go to this meeting. I have to leave. And so I put him out in the entryway and we agreed on that. I said, hey, I don't want to hurt your feelings, but I can't let you here in my house. Of course. Yeah. So he finished it in the entryway. He does everything. I hand him. I only had a hundred bucks. I ended up paying him way, way too much. I come. He messages me. I fix the screen, send the picture. I go, great. It's all done. It's all done. I'm never going to do this again. I come back. The screen is mostly fixed, but there's like a tiny hole.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_03] So I have to go fix this hole now.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_06] She said to fix the screen and it's not even. So all of that, a hundred dollars down, literally living crazy experience. Yeah.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_04] So if anyone can fix this screen, is it fixed?

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_06] No, it's still sitting there. Yeah. So if you're down bad, you can hit up Andrea. And she'll probably say.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04] Wait, what are some other bad decisions?

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_06] I mean, you dated a guy who used to bring that chest, that chest thing to your house, which by the way, you did get a really nice chess board out of it. Yeah. But didn't he openly tell you that he has no feelings and he's a narcissist? No, I know. I have a problem. I will say. I honestly thought I was. He literally said, he literally said, I actually don't know. I don't understand feelings. Yeah. And I don't have any. That is a red flag. Actually, speaking of this, we do have a game for you. Because I feel.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_04] Let's just move on from this.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_06] I do. We got to move on. Because the truth is, is that. Keep going. I just don't trust your judgment when it comes to dating. I am curious what you see as a red flag or a green flag. So, okay.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04] Yes. And we're good with a game. What I will say, though, before we do the game, I agree. And I feel like I'm a very perceptive person. I think I'm very self-aware. But what I lack is the ability to see a red flag. I think I get really. You see the best in other people. I think I become very attached to people quickly. And I think that's a great thing. That's nice.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02] Because I see the bad in everyone.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_04] No, so I think it's hard for me to recognize that if someone. It'll take a lot of red flags for me to finally realize that it's not a good idea.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_06] I know, but I think I want to actively tell you all, everybody who's listening, which is honestly probably just gays and women. So I don't know. That is our audience. I don't know how much of this is actually. And Brandon. But I don't know how much of this is going to reach. But I want to throw it out there that you can slide into my DMs. If you or you know somebody who would be a good fit for Andrea. Oh, gosh. I would love to set her up with somebody.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_06] But I feel I need to vet them first. You have to choose. And so if you have any interest in dating Andrea, dial 9.

[00:40:58] Nope.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_06] I'm not going to put my number in there. Unless you want to stalk me. You can DM the podcast. Because I am available for light stalking.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04] I think there's a part of me that likes the thrill. Even though I don't know I'm doing it at the time. There's a few. I want to see it through.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_06] There's a few things that make you really interesting. That also make it your downfall in dating. And in situations like this. And yes, I do think there's an aspect of the adrenaline part. But I also think that you really love people who live a little bit on the fringe of the norm. Like that fascinates you. Like you are just innately very interested in people. And I think that when you find somebody who's in a situation or who lives their life in a different way.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02] It kind of sounds like Tata the Bushman. Yeah.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_06] Let me dig in. Exactly.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_04] It wasn't a deal for sure.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_06] But I think I really innately do think that that is what's going on. Is that you are just fascinated by the way. There are so many people in this world and we all choose to live our lives so differently. And it's really easy in life to find people who are like-minded to you and then surround yourself with them. And it's a lot more difficult to find people in life that are different than you and still want to keep them around. And so I think you just choose to have people in your life who bring a lot of different things to the table. And I think that that's a really great thing.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_06] It's just a terrible thing in dating.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_04] You're right. I do love the people on the fringe.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_06] You really do. You love a fringe man. Fringe. You love a fringy. Okay. I one time got my fringe. Never mind. Okay. Well, I'll just tell the story now. Okay. Wait. Speaking of fringe. I one time got my fringe. Can I just derail really quick? One time I was in Vegas and I had the worst. I was so drunk the night before. And I had won a ton of money. So I brought my sister and my mom to this spa. And we were. I was getting massaged and the hangover really hit me.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_06] So on the way out, we were in the Aria. And I sat on the escalator and I was wearing this fringe dress and all my fringe got caught in the escalator. And so I was just stuck in the escalator and my dress is ripping off of me and I'm flailing. I'm on the ground. My dress is being ripped off. I'm getting sucked into the escalator. It sounds really traumatic. I'm sorry. I know. And you know what my mom did? She took pictures of me. Kim is yelling. It's so funny. They took pictures of me. So it's okay. I'm sorry. I'm blushing.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_06] But it was a dramatic moment for me. That is pretty bad. I hate that I said fringe of society because every time fringes is such a trigger.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02] You really look triggered, Michelle. I'm so triggered. That sounds terrible. I need my drink. And this is why I drink. My mother. I'm going to ask Kim to send us the photos. Absolutely not. No.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_06] Well, I had to see it just for me. I was in a fringe cover up. That thing was sucked down. Wild. Wild. And that's not the first time I got caught in the escalator. I have PTSD. I got caught in an escalator when I was at Liberty Science Center on a class trip. Wow, this is a deep cut. No, deep cut. This is the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to me. Like single-handedly most traumatic thing.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02] Worst in the biggest story?

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_06] Yes. Imagine I was on a class trip surrounded by my peers, my young peers who love to find any reason to make fun of anyone. And my shoelace got caught in the escalator. So then I got trapped. I didn't mean to laugh. No. No. So then my shoe's stuck. I'm trapped. It's fucking like I'm getting sucked into the thing. Dude, the fear of escalators runs deep here. But they made the class. So they had to shut the escalator down. They made the class. Why nobody told me to take my shoe off, I don't know.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_06] But they made the class surround the area. They're like, okay, everybody step back while the maintenance people come and get Michelle on her shoe out of this thing. Which is really traumatic as a young kid to be standing there with your foot stuck in the escalator. Eight? Nine? I'm trying to think. Yeah, probably around then. That's tough. Probably around then. It was definitely middle school. So I've had two escalator instances. Yeah. Wow. So I take the elevator nowadays. Yeah.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02] I have a huge eye on my knee from the escalator. High up to the stairs. Yeah? Yeah, but I didn't get, nothing got caught. Yeah. I just knee buckled into the escalator real bloody.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_06] It just feels, and I'm one of those people, like when the escalator is coming, I'm like, do I do that step? So now you're nervous. Or that step?

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02] Like, well, let's do some immersion therapy. We'll go to the PAF train. We'll do some assistance.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_06] If you ever see me, and like, I also have a fear of that, like walking, like in the airport. Oh, the walkways? That, like, walking walkways. You really have a trauma from that. And I'm like, I like, I like hesitate. Two escalator caught incidents in one lifetime. I know. I'm like, bitch, I can do this. And then I like hype myself up. I'm like, let's go. Especially if I have luggage, because then it's like me and my luggage. I'm like, okay, do I get the luggage on first? Or do I go first? Like, where? What's the order? Fuck it. It's wild.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_06] There's your adrenaline hit right there. Yeah. I can find little adrenaline in every day. You know, I don't need to, I don't need to hire a homeless handyman to get my hit. Okay. What are we doing? Jesus Christ. Yes. Red flag, green flag. Okay. We're going to list some things. And we're going to have to all vote. Is it a red flag or a green flag? Okay. Okay. I don't know what the first one is, so you're going to have to say that. I don't know what the first one is either. Wait. I didn't write that.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_04] Oh. Well, let's just read them on here. Did you write that?

[00:46:21] No.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_04] Oh. Okay. So red flag or green flag. He talked about, I guess it would be your partner talks to their mom on the phone twice a day. Yeah. I don't love that.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. That's too, that's too much. I love a good check in with mom. Twice a day is a lot. That's a lot. But like, I would say once a day. Consistent twice a day is a lot. Yeah. Because then I see our future and then I peek in like 20 years into the future. I'm like, she going to want to talk to me twice a day? Because I'm trying to have that sitch. Yeah. It's too much. Too much. Red flag. Okay. All right.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04] All in agreement. Red flag or green flag voted out before the merge.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02] Oh. That hit hard. As we like to say.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_04] Brandon is shook.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02] Well, okay. Michelle is on this podcast saying that I'm only dateable because I made the jury. Okay. I just want to say. You didn't even say merge.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_06] I just want to say. Oh, is the merge not the jury?

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02] No. Not anymore. Another prank. I'm not pranking you. I do prank her a lot. It doesn't really make sense. This is real. They vote out. We make the merge and two, usually two people. Don't make the jury who make the merge. What? That's so stupid.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_04] On Karamoan that happened. Oh, really? Because Brandon made the merge but wasn't on the jury. I think there's usually at least one.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_06] Everybody made the jury. Isn't that fun? People who I didn't even play with on Winners at War made the jury. Oh, yeah. What the fuck? Yeah, it was crazy. Okay. So I feel actually like.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02] Have you ever dated somebody who went pre? Nope. We're going to. Let me. Let me add Brandon's contribution here.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_03] Joaquin did.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02] Joaquin didn't make the merge and you were trying to. Yeah, well, exactly.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_06] And that is. So. That's why it didn't work out. Joaquin didn't make the merge and he. Here's the thing. I just guess more my compatibility is now with people. Pretty much. Sorry, Brandon. But Brandon's taken. You are really. It's not a red flag for me. Here's the thing. On the challenge, I've seen really, really smart, great people go out early because they're threats. It happens. It happens. So it's. It's. It happens. That's exactly what happened to Brandon. It's. Okay. Circumstantially. But I think. I'm the only one in the world who can make that joke. Reddit.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_04] It's a green flag for me. Green? You think. Because I prefer to date people that aren't associated with. You know what? If they.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02] If they make the merge, maybe their head's too big. They think they're shit. Yeah. Okay.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_04] Well, I hate that.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_06] You can't share this spotlight with me.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04] I think it's good because if you don't make the merge, you are humbled in a way. And then you're probably a better person for it. Yeah.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_06] Okay. Well. They're usually really funny. You've convinced me. I'll go green flag. Honestly. They're.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03] One. It's like. It's like. Yeah. It's not a problem. So they're. It's not a problem. You started. Sorry, Kat. I started. You started red flag.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_06] I'm not going to lie. Somewhere deep inside of me, I still think I'm red on that.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_03] I like how Andrew is reading these.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_06] Some of these are. Sorry.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_04] Not. Some of these are so bad. Red flag or green flag drinks a gallon of water. No.

[00:49:09] No.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_04] No. No. Drink.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_06] Drink. Drink. Out of water. Out of the gallon. They like buy like a gallon jug of water. Oh, you're not. She's not Jersey. But like here in Jersey. People do.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02] I think it's so fucking ridiculous. Sorry. A gallon or is it?

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_04] Or is it the thing? It's like a Poland sprays.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02] Imagine a milk gallon. Like a gallon of milk, but it's filled with water. It's a Poland spray. And they're like. Oh, I can't bring that.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_04] Specifically, the milk jug. Yes. I'm going to bring up a visual. Not a fancy one? No. No. Not a fancy one. No.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02] Not like you drink a gallon of water a day. It's like.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_04] Well, what if you have a big thing, but it's not a milk jug? Is that okay? Because that's what I have.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02] No, no. I think that's fine. I think that's fine.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_04] Because I actually feel douchey to me when they're like.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_06] I milked me in my big fucking. Yeah. And then they take like the pop top off. And you're like. Yeah. No. It's not impressive. I don't really see that in Wisconsin. And like invest in a nice water bottle. They're fucking everywhere now. Do yourself a bottle. Look at that one right over there.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_05] This is a pet peeve. Okay. Yeah. I would say it's actually.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02] I should have said this for my pet peeve.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_05] It's a. It's a. Red flag.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_06] A really close work wife or work husband.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_04] Oh. Red flag. For sure. Whoa. Yeah. I would say red flag. Well, if they're calling each other. It depends how close. Yeah. If they're calling each other. Oh, that's my work wife. That's. That's a little.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. I don't like it. I don't like to share my. I don't like to share.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02] I'm not a sharer.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_04] You can have. You can be. I feel like.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02] I've had people will be like, you're my work wife. But it's like kind of a joke because they're straight. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's not like a. You know. Okay. Well. Different situation. Different situation.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_06] We're talking about somebody that you're interested in. Like. Yeah. Yeah. It would have crossed the line. I think. I think it's a complete red flag. For sure.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_04] Especially if you're using that language.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_06] Oh. Spends a lot of time on Reddit.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_04] Oh, shit. No.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_06] That's a red flag. No.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02] I think there are some people who like are on every Reddit. You know. Like they're like posting. They're like whatever.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_06] Okay. Well, I post all over the travel Reddit. You do? I post about books. I post. I like. Does it say your name? Are you like undercover? Well, I don't. I used to have one that said my name. But now it's like my weird random college email. So it's like MF67. And I'm not going to give you the rest. But it's like. It's like random numbers. Now you're stalkable. And I'm not trying to. I really. You're just trying to be stalkable. I'm really not. We can see right through the show. So here's where you can find me on Reddit. MF67. No. Here's the thing.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_06] Is that I'm not trying to be coy. I'm not like ashamed of it being me. Like I'm. I'm usually asking advice on where I can travel or what book I should read. I just go on TikTok for that. But I don't use TikTok. So.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_04] I go on Reddit quite a bit. Not survivor Reddit. But to learn things. Because I feel like Reddit is people giving their real stories. Yeah. So if I want to find out what product actually works. Yes. Like Reddit is a really good place. Because why would people lie on there? It is. There's Reddit on this podcast. I know. But I. I will say. I feel like I said red flag just because I don't like how much I'm on Reddit. And the things that I do on Reddit. Finding these people. Maybe it depends which Reddits.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So if you're on like. You want to bet which subreddits. Yeah. Yes. I would. I would need a list of the Reddits. And how much time. But it's also like. If I am looking for an answer to something. I go on Reddit. So I actually am okay with that. But I'll green flag it.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_06] I'm okay with it.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_04] Mine's probably a green flag too.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. That's a wrap.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02] Do you want me to read one? Okay. Good. I'm going to do. And I. I'm going to red flag this right away. Posting like inspirational quotes on your Instagram story. Like. Yeah. That's a red flag. Like the hardest thing. You know. Whatever. And then it's got like a painting behind it or something. Okay. Yes. I think. You could have worse red flags. But I just don't. You know what though?

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_04] What I will say. Is I do know a couple people in my circles that do that. And they have a big following. And people are really inspired by them. So I recognize it as. This is your. They're doing it brand. Social media is your tool. It's your brand. And if it helps people. It helps people. For me. It's not for me. It's not for me either. I would say. Okay. A lot of these. But what if it was someone you're dating? A lot of these. That's the difference. Yeah. If it's. If you're dating or people. Okay.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_06] So if Devin did it. I'd be like. Are we having marital issues? Yeah.

[00:53:18] Like.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_06] What do we need to talk about? Let's work through this. Like. Yeah. We. I know a therapist. People like subtweet with these now. Like I'm like. Definitely like. They're like. Heal yourself please. I feel that when I see an inspirational quote. I'm like. What? Either you're bragging. You're having something. Because you're like. Fine. I found peace. And now I'm my best self. And I'm like. Okay. Well now you're bragging. That you don't drink five times a week. Like I do. And you think you're better than me. No. Or. It's the reverse. Right. It's like. When things fall apart. Everything comes back together. And you're like. Oh fuck. They broke up. Yeah.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. It's like. What's the. What's the real message? The inspirational quote.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_02] Is just a facade.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_06] For the real thing. Yes. So I'm always like. I'm always like. Pause on it. I'm like. Hmm. What are we really. Let's contemplate this.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. I was going to say. It's the same thing as when relationships. When people are gushing. And gushing. And gushing. And sometimes that is real. But sometimes the more people post. The more you think. Hmm. It's not even. Are we.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_06] You're overdoing it. Are we hanging on to this too hard? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02] A little performative.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_06] Really. Me and Devin just post together. Because it does actually a lot better. And so. Yeah. We're trying to get. Brand deals. Of this bitch. I'm like. You guys are very authentic. I'm like. Post me. Motherfucker. I need to work with this luggage brand. No. But. I really think. I think that. I think for me. That's. Okay. In friends. I think it's a green flag. In boyfriends. I think it's a red flag. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02] Okay. I would agree with that. All right. Should we keep going? Yeah. Do it. How about. Has a Chinese symbol tattooed on them. And they are not. Of any Asian or Chinese descent.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_06] Well. Seeing as. Callum had. A Chinese symbol tattooed on his forehead. And. When I inquired about it. I was. Which. Callum is somebody who I made the mistake of pursuing on the challenge season 39. And he had a whole nother girlfriend. So. Honestly. Definite red flag. The face tattoo should have told me. But. It was a Chinese symbol for the word shrimp. Because. He played tattoo roulette with his friends. And what happens is that they pick. Put locations.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_06] Of tattoos. And then. What you have to get tattooed on you. In two different bowls. And they pick out. So he picked out face. And then he picked out shrimp. Oh my god. And then he's like. That's a terrible pole. He goes. Well what am I gonna do? I can't get a shrimp scampi tattooed on my face. So he got the Chinese. Like little. I actually think a little shrimp would have been better. Yeah. He got the little. I don't know if it was his forehead. It might have been here. But it's like. It could have encircled his eye. It's like a red. Listen. He has a lot of face tattoos. I don't know. What I was thinking.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_06] It was. It's a smooth talking. Man. You know. It's every time. You can look past the face tattoos. So. All in all. Now a red flag.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_04] I mean. I guess it's not. Either. I mean. I would say. Green flag. Just because I love tattoos.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. I love tattoos too. I really do. What about you?

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_02] Um. I. Probably not. I don't think I would like that. I don't know if it's like. A red flag.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_02] Like. Like. It's so bad that I'm like. Automatically writing you off. Would not be something I would prefer.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_06] What if they had like. Mom. In a heart. With an arrow. Yeah. I'd hate that. Andrea would be like. All right. Let me give him a chance.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02] He's like a sweet guy. Andrea would be like. Cares a lot about it. He probably calls his mom twice a day.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_06] He has like a tramp stamp of like. Ta-ta the. Bushman.

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_02] That'll do it. Just like. Ta-ta. Yeah.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_06] Right. Right in a tramp stamp. She's like. Sign me up.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_04] Oh my God. Okay. I'm gonna be single for a while. Let's do this.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02] Oh no.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_04] Okay. By choice. Yeah. Good. No it's. I'm empowering you. Love that for you. I love being single with not any interest in anyone. Because. No one can hurt me. I'm not gonna go through a breakup anytime soon. I'm so focused on work. Impenetrable. It's so nice not having like a crush. Like it's just nice just being. Just hanging. Love it. Yeah.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02] Love that for you. Okay. What if. They were a fan of you on Survivor. Or the challenge or whatever.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_06] I tend to date a lot of people that are on reality TV. Because I. I love crazy. And. I don't think it would bother me to date. Andrea's dated a lot of fans before. Haven't you?

[00:57:31] You.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03] Throwing me into the bus. She really is. A lot of fans.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_02] But it's also hard to be like if someone was like.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_04] At least one. I did date a one super fan. But. But he was great. Which one are you thinking about?

[00:57:48] He didn't.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_04] He had a hairy back right? She just said didn't he have a hairy back? Yeah. He did.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. But we liked him. He was really nice. Yeah. Yeah. Like. Anyways. Besides the point. I wouldn't. Hairy backs are in. I wouldn't mind dating a fan. That wouldn't bother me. It doesn't bother me because.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_04] There's a lot of really cool fans. Yeah. Especially now. I mean. When I first went on the show. There weren't a lot of people our age that watched. Or talked about watching Survivor. I feel like it wasn't cool. Now. Especially the people I meet. They're the coolest people ever. Yeah. In Milwaukee. There's a couple areas. Little neighborhoods in Milwaukee. That are very much. Remind me of Brooklyn. Yeah. And I feel like there's these couple of neighborhoods. Of these really cool people. All like vintage cameras. Yes.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_04] Vintage camcorders on their shoulder. Love that. Don't have social media. And they're all like obsessed. With Survivor. And they're like the coolest people ever. And they're hot. So I don't think I would rule it out.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. No.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_04] I definitely wouldn't rule it out. I'll green flag it. Yeah. I'll green flag it.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_02] If someone wasn't a fan of you too. That would be like worse. Well. Yeah.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_04] I know. Most people I date actually don't watch. They have no clue. Yeah. And then I actually. I don't. I don't want them to go and watch it. I don't know. Typically. It was so long ago.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_06] I've asked for people to not watch it. Yeah. But I will say. When I started dating Devin. My. My family made him sit down and watch my. My final episode. They made him. They were like if you want to understand her. You should watch this really pivotal moment in her life. Oh 32. So. Yeah. So I think. Listen. I don't think they have to know you or watch you or like whatever. It's not a necessity for them to be a fan. But I don't think it's a turn off to be. To have a fan. Yes. It's nice. You have common interests. Yeah.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02] Yourself.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. My favorite interests. Andrea is staying at my house right now. My apartment. And. She is. If you know her. Very type A. What? And she loves to control all the controllables. Oh. And so. We told her. Hey. Do you want to come on our podcast? You know. We play games and stuff. So she shows up today. And she's like. Okay. So I have a game. I set up a game. I'm ready. I love that. Here. Here's the plan.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_06] And I'm like. Okay. So you know. This is like our podcast. We have the games. We appreciate it though. And then you play them. But. Because Andrea created this game. We're going to play it. Andrea. Wrote the prompts for it. And. Kelly is going to be the one to play. Andrea. Do you want to explain your game?

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_04] I will say. Okay. I think in work situations. Which this is maybe akin to that. I can be type A. I would say socially. I'm very chill. Yes. But you are. There's something about anything work related. I am so. You're right. I am that way.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_06] And I love that. That's a great quality. I got to. I got to go to Cabo with you. And your sister. When you were filming that design. Yeah. Design network show. And it was really. Really interesting. Because I am somebody who like. Obviously you know. Just kind of like shoots from the hip. You know. I don't have a lot of a plan. We're new friends. But yes. I'm just kind of. I mean. You've done this enough with me now. To know that I just kind of meander through it. And hope something works. But like.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_06] The way that you were practicing. Reading your lines. Prepping for it. Like. How are. You were going to. Annunciate things. Checking to make sure that you pronounced everything correctly. It was so detailed. And I was like. Wow. This is a professional. At work.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06] And like I think when you were coming out to this podcast. You wanted to bring that here. And just. This is it.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04] I just wanted to make sure it was a game I liked. Gotta control all the variables. I think. Okay. I'm an ideas person. So. Yeah. I know that it wasn't my job to bring a game. But I'm like. Oh. This is fun. What's a game we could do? Anyway. So this is the game I came up with. Well thank you Andrea. So it's called Tribal Confessions. And so. Michelle and I put some tribal confessions. Things that happened on Survivor. That didn't make the error.

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_03] Mm-hmm.

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_04] And they're true. Yep. And they're all in there with Michelle's handwriting. So you won't be able to tell whose is whose. So you're going to read it out loud. And you're going to guess whose tribal confession that was.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_02] Okay. I'm very excited to see these. Okay. Here we go. We'll start with this one. On the show. A doctor checked my asshole. For infection.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_04] The first one. Yeah. Starting strong.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_02] Starting strong. You guys are giving me nothing. I don't want to. I feel like it's you. It wasn't me.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_06] Really?

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_03] It was me.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_06] What happened to you? Okay. Listen. Let me tell you.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02] Were you like paranoid and like thought something was wrong?

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_06] Oh yes. Because here's the thing. Co-wrong. Everybody was getting infection. Oh that's true. You guys have. Yeah. Everybody had staph infection. And one day I had a situation. You know the the honestly the coconuts went through me and probably. It happens to the best of us. And it probably was just a spicy. It was probably just a spicy situation. But then I started to get real paranoid. And I was like oh my god. I probably have staph infection in my butt.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_06] So I was like bent over spread my cheeks and had Dr. Joe. In the tent. And had Dr. Joe looking at my ass crack. And he's like all good.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02] I was like so glad we did this. By the way when I saw Dr. Joe that was like probably the most starstruck I was. I was more sorry Jeff more excited to see Dr. Joe than Jeff as a medical professional. Yeah. I was like you are a living legend. But yours that season actually legitimate concern. That's. I had a chat with him about this. They were like that was the like Cambodia and like Vietnam like the most risky place they ever did it. Because the infection risk is so high.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_06] Did he tell you that he looked into my soul from the other side? He did actually.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_02] That was how he bonded. Wow. I only picked you Andrew because you were looking at me so like. I was like you looked a little guilty. But okay. I guess I'm wrong. Okay. Great. This is fun. Wow. What a great one to start off with. Okay. Visited the Survivor Island I played on a year before playing. Man. This is. How the fuck am I supposed to get these right? I'm going to get them wrong. You like to travel a lot.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02] And you were in Thailand or something before. It was you.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_06] It was.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_02] Woo.

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_06] Look I'm learning about you. But I was with Troy Zan and Thai. I. Fiji Air gave them free tickets and a free plus one. It was back in the day. Fiji Air used to like sponsor. So they would have a year to use it. And they were all using. It was like everybody was using their guest pass. Their pass and their guest pass. They asked me to be their guest. So I went with them. So they visited the Fiji Island. Where you played in winners of war. Yes. But I had been. So they had like a local come take us there. Drop us off. We like.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02] The Castaway Island. You know that one? That's where I lived. I think we were on the same beach.

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_06] It was the one with the whole rock.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_02] The big rock. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_06] And a year later I ended up on season 40 and I was back there again. I was like I should have buried something. Some shit.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. Yeah. Oh that's so cute. I love that. That was a nice one. This one is really long. So I wanted. Oh my God. I looked at this quickly and I thought it said pregnant and I was like I don't think I want to read this. Oh no. Okay. All right. Anyway. I have a story about that. No I'm just kidding. For pregame photos I didn't want to do a swimsuit photo but they made me so I befriended the assistant photographer and asked him to crop the photo he ended up using. This is some aid to your social game on the social game podcast. I love that. I feel like.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_02] I don't know all your photos. I feel like I've seen you in a bikini in a photo. Is this you?

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_04] It is me. Which honestly that one's kind of sad. That is a little sad. Well because okay.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02] Now they don't want us to do that. They're like don't wear a bikini.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_04] I had. I definitely. We already talked about this. I had major body image issues. Truly eating disorders for years and years and years. So I didn't want to be. You know those press photos. I didn't want to be in a bikini. It's all that pops up.

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_02] It's just so scary. Also because I don't know. I hated my press photos so much. No one ever likes them.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04] And that's going to be the image that everyone sees.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02] When they Google you for the rest of your life is what I was thinking. Yeah.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_04] So my third season I just said. They said okay now the bikini picture. And I said oh can I just wear this tank top. And they said nope. So they made me do a bikini photo. And I was really insecure about my body at the time. Because of all the commentary on it. Of course yeah. And then what I did was I truly yeah top tier social networking. I was like the assistant photographer. I was like oh cool. I'm like getting into photography too. The exchange numbers. That's how you do it. Common interest. And then I messaged. I emailed him before the pictures came out.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_04] And I said can I just see the photo. And then he sent them to me. And I hate it. It was bad. In my opinion right. It's you know looking back. You didn't like it. But I said oh I actually really don't like the photo. You just crop it. So it was just maybe a little bit like yeah he cropped it. What a gene. Wow I mean. Hell yeah. Shout out to that guy. Saying all that does sound. I feel sad for that version of Andrea that I was insecure. But I think that that's what was you know.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_02] Well they do not want you to do that anymore.

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_04] My entire 20s when I had all those body image issues on you know. And then knowing that I was on social media. I did what I had to do. Yeah. Do what you had to do. I respect the hustle. Why do we have to be. It's a different time now. Now they were like do not. Back in our day they wanted us. I was told several times hey can you do this confessional in a bikini. Because I would walk around not in a bikini. Just in my clothes. And like can you do this one in your bikini.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_02] They would like make me cover up. Like if I had my sports bra on they would make me wear my buff during challenges and stuff. Even when I didn't want to. Yeah things have changed.

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah let me tell you that. That is top tier social game. I have the opposite in the challenge. The photographer that was taking our photos I was like oh like he was taking our photos and I was like oh did you do last seasons? He was like no no no I didn't. I was like oh yeah my photos are always terrible. Two seasons ago my photos were absolute garbage. And he was like well I did those. And I was like I am just gonna go fuck myself. I have had the worst cast photos and I think I did not make a friend that day.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02] You see the exact opposite of what Andrea did.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_06] Yep yep. I was like as he's taking my photos he's like and he like from then on started coming from below. I was like Lord knows. That's not my angle.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_02] Okay anyway. Befriend your photographers. Okay let's see. Hit from the cameras during a meltdown for about an hour.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_06] Or that could be either of us really.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. I don't. I know you're the Michelle down. It makes me think it's you. I don't know if you would hide from the camera. I think you would just let it rock. You really stare into my soul Andrea. Yeah I was looking at you. I'm just looking at you. You're making me nervous. Where else am I supposed to look?

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_06] I don't know. You can always look at me. I'm available. She's stalkable. I'm available.

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_02] I love being looked at. Okay I'm on like a hot streak now but I'm gonna go Andrea.

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_04] It was me. Yeah. Basically on my third season I went.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_02] Not that I'm happy you had a meltdown. I'm just happy I got it right.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04] No I went probably. I probably went 20 days without opening a coconut. I just felt like on my third season. My first season I was like I'm a hard worker. I'm gonna do all this stuff. Then you realize that doesn't really help you in the game.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_02] No one cares.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_04] Someone's annoying if you're doing too much. I didn't even open a coconut for 20 days on my third season. And then we were at this beach. There was nothing going on that day. And I was trying to open up this coconut. And as soon as you start doing something the camera's coming. Yeah. And I couldn't do it. And I couldn't get through. And I was just getting really embarrassed. I was melting down just in general. My mental health was just really bad on that season. And so I would stop because I wanted them to go away. And then I would try to do it again. And then they would zoom in. And then I just lost it. And I went sprinting into the jungle. And the camera people went running after me.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_02] They usually sprint after me. Then they sprint after you. And then I was hiding.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_04] I was hiding in the weeds looking out. And I saw the camera people looking for me and go, where did she go? Where did she go? And I was crying. And I just remember thinking, I'm gonna get kicked off this show. I was losing it. And then I finally came out maybe an hour later. And everyone thought I was looking for an idol.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, yeah.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_06] And really, I just had been losing my mind.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, my God.

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_06] I did hide one time. I don't think I hid. But I want to bring this up because it is an iconic moment. I had a mental breakdown in season 32. I forget. I performed really bad in a challenge when we had moved over to the brain tribe. And so I went out into the ocean in Cambodia. I think I remember this. And I went so far out because I just wanted to go underwater. And it's like the shallowest of all shallow water forever. So I had to walk like a mile out to just get underwater.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_06] And Debbie's in the water, like kind of by everybody by the shelter, kind of floating. She's like, you guys better keep an eye on her. She's probably going to go drown herself. And then Sydney goes, damn, Debbie. And it was at that time, like a trending meme. Damn, Debbie. Damn, Debbie. Damn, Daniel. Fucking damn, Debbie.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02] Damn, Debbie was the first one.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah, it was the origin.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_02] I do actually, now that you describe that, I like vaguely remember that. Yes, it was. It was like so far out. I remember that scene. Isn't there like a meme that's like a guy standing in the middle of the water, like looking really sad? Like that was you. That was me. It's easy to break down. Breakdowns are normal. Yeah, of course. Okay. This is a little guy. Dated a dream teamer. Oh, that's fun. See, this is hard now. I really don't know between you two.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_02] Really? It's you? You just, well, now you're making me think you're like double crossing me. Well, I'm not attempting anything. You're not attempting anything. I mean, my natural inclination would be Michelle. No, it was her. I was like, hello. We've been talking about her dating history all day. Well, that's why you just threw me off. Because I was like, well, now I feel like I could.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_04] There's not really much of a story to it. I had gone out and did interviews for a season with CBS. Yes, and then I think that's how I met him. Okay, it wasn't the dream teamer when you were on the show. No, well, he was, but we didn't meet until the season after. Yeah, so it's not that scandalous.

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_06] But like, who was he impersonating? Oh, yeah, who was he? It was his double. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who was he standing for?

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_06] Okay. I'm curious about that.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_02] We got to figure that out off screen. Okay. These are great guys. Glimpsed seating chart at reunion and told whole cast who sat at first winner's seat. What? What does that mean? Oh. Do you know what it means? Yeah, I got that. So, you're talking about a survivor. Reunion?

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_06] Well, I guess it's me, right? Yeah. What do you mean? Okay, but I forgot that you guys don't have live reunions anymore. No. Okay, so when you walk into live reunion, they have, so they put people's names on seats, right? And so they had the camera set up. We're in the green room. And you could see Aubrey's name on seat one. Seat one is the winner's seat. And so I was second seat.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_06] Ty was third seat or whatever it was. And so I proceeded to have a mental breakdown because for a year I'd been bragging that I won. And I locked myself in the bathroom. And there was no service. I'm trying to call my sister. I'm trying to call my mom. I'm crying. Julia's trying to talk me off a ledge. I told everybody, I'm like, Aubrey won. Guys, I saw the seating chart and her name was first. They were fucking, they were just, had stand-ins for who it was.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_06] So, like, I spread this whole rumor that Aubrey won. And then.

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02] Like moments before it's being filmed and everything.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_06] Oh my God. And I got, I wrapped myself. This is crazy. I wrapped myself into a fucking pretzel, stressed out. So I was like shaking, hyperventilating.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_02] I mean, no, no, that's terrible.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_06] It was terrible. And then I spread this entire rumor that she won. And then I went out and I was like, sorry about that, guys. Anyway, I won. Anyway, I'm just going to go take my million.

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_02] Get out of here.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_04] Oh my God.

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02] That's literally crazy. Wow.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_04] I think this is why we're such good friends is we have similar type.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_02] There was a whole discourse on like where you sit at, like where they put you in the final tribal recently. I saw this on like Twitter. I was like, the person who's going to win is like always in the middle or who that production thinks is going to win is always sitting in the middle of the interrogation thing. Really? Except for one time, which was Gabler, which people were using to affirm their suspicions.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_06] Tony was left. Oh, so maybe it's just New England. So I think Tony was left. Yeah. Sure. I don't know. Debunked. I think we've really about covered it. Hey, was this?

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_02] We talked about escalators and body image.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_06] Well, all of them are pretty unhinged.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_02] We're all pretty unhinged. This was a little more though. This was good, but we like unhinged.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_04] Was it me? No, I think you two are unhinged. Oh, well.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_06] We're unhinged. Well, we don't need to have a battle about who the most unhinged is. Who's more hinged? Yeah, but we still have like a reputation on a pool there. What's the reputation? Well, actually, I don't know. And I don't want to know. Tell us in the comments. Okay. Please don't. Well, honestly, it has been an honor. We're going to turn this off and me and you are going to do this for another like seven hours. So let's wrap this thing up. Listen, it's been great. Thank you so much, Andrea.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_02] You are unhinged and fun.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_06] It has been real, potentially a little bit too real. Too real. But be sure to subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, wherever you are absorbing this amazing content. And we look forward to seeing you next week.

[01:15:37] Bye.