The Social Game Ep 4: Wes Bergmann, Uncaged

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[00:00:55] We are back with another very special edition of The Social Game Episode 4. We are in another hotel room and we are committed to going to every hotel room in New York City to bring you your favorite reality stars and swindle them to play games with us. Exactly. Today we have our first male guest.

[00:01:22] And, you know, this is a very girly chat vibes podcast, but I have full faith that he will rise to the occasion. Right, Michelle? Absolutely. I have lived with Wes before. He has been a roommate with three other girls and I know that he can get down with the girl chat. I figured he would be the first appropriate person to bring on here. I live with more women than both of you combined. So, um, I say bring it. All right. Well, we're very excited to have you, Wes.

[00:01:50] I thought Michelle would, you know, do you want to give us a little what if you had to like introduce Wes and talk about his full illustrious career? Well, how would you say that? You'd be like, he's on what shows? Well, you might know him from worst cooks of America. He's probably do. That's his biggest claim to fame. I would say he's a washed up, uh, retired challenge player that now is just searching for that hit of adrenaline and other reality shows. Has he found them?

[00:02:18] Well, he's been on his knees to check, but he can't seem to find the exact. Where am I headed? Sorry. I am so scared. I'm going to stop there. As you should. Yeah. Did you like that? No, listen, he's the most iconic. He was the, the linchpin missing in the challenge season 40, but he has retired from the challenge. And now he's on to bigger and better things where it's because cooks in America, how civilians traders now as a cage boy. He's everywhere. This is why you're here, right?

[00:02:48] In New York for the traders. Oh, I'm here for traders press. Okay. And I, and I think I'm meeting with somewhere like 40 different publications in the next 24 hours. And Michelle's like, Oh, you got time for me. I'm like, yeah, there is nothing I would like more than to just do another piece of content after all of that. But I looked at all the press that I was going to be doing. And I was like, you know what? Those are just not big enough. Yeah. Let me come on the, come on RATP. Exactly.

[00:03:16] Come on this struggling little podcast. That's going to be canceled as soon as the next season is survival. It's planned. We're an off season. We're taking a break. We're an off season. We set the bar low. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So we can exceed expectations. Yeah. So there's survivor version of hose in different area codes. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was actually. That's great. You know what? I was actually going to ask you, Wes, to give us a name because I feel like the cage boys of it all has been a real focus and it's kind of giving boy band. Yeah.

[00:03:46] Correct me if I'm wrong. The varsity jacket. I mean, I did. Yeah. Yeah. You said boy band, right? I did say boy band. Oh, you said. Yeah. Yeah. You guys have been like a boy band entrance. Like the cage is coming down. It's kind of like in sync. Yeah. On stage. The dramatic reveal. We need you to burst out in a song. I was waiting for it, but it didn't happen. No, I was trying not to cause any more attention to the whole like showing up late in a cage sort of thing already did.

[00:04:11] You have like, you have a tendency to have big entrances on USA to the one game that we've played together. You came in, the game started. We're all jazz. There's all survivors and big brother players, CBS people. And then six people ride in on jet skis. And we see this like ginger beard flapping in the breeze of the Atlanta, the Atlantic and Croatia. And there comes in West. There was a statue made of you. Yeah. My team had to carry a statue. So my whole play was okay, come in like really low key.

[00:04:40] And the first thing we had to do was carry as a team, a giant statue of myself up to the top of the mountain. Yes. Like, yeah, I'm not going to fly under the radar. And did you or did you not get that statue shipped home to you? It was, there was about a year of negotiation and ultimately I did not pay. It would have been like almost 20 grand in shipping. Oh, that's ridiculous. Yeah. And I, and this is the reason why it ultimately didn't because it's, it's worth 20 grand. Yeah. The question is, and bananas and I have debated this for a year and we had people look into

[00:05:10] it, how weather resistant those actions, cause it's not a real statue. It was kind of paper machete. It was like something halfway between stone and paper machete. And we were, and bananas thinks that it's stone. It's not stone. It's not stone. I carried that thing. Lord knows I can't carry stone. You carried a statue of Wes. I carried a statue. Who is my champions? No, I carried bananas. Yeah. You carried the statue that is now in Southern California. It was so heavy. Yeah. And his didn't look like him at all.

[00:05:39] Like mine looked a lot like me. So it was worth it. But the problem is like the weather in Kansas city would crush that, that, that, that statue. Yeah. It wouldn't have been worth it, but yeah. So not doing a good job on staying under the radar. No, but you, I think it's hard for you to stand under the radar anyways. You're a big game player. That's what you're known for. I know it's like a double-edged sword because it gets me invited to everything and I get paid the most and I get all the most perks. Yeah.

[00:06:05] But I don't actually get to ever play a fair game because I step into every single house and I'm just immediately like attacked and talked about and this and that. And it's just kind of like, it kind of stinks. Do you feel that though, this season of the traders, like, yes, you came in, in the cages and I think for a bit the heat was on you, but it does feel like you actually successfully. Yeah. It definitely helped that they gave us a day of immunity. Yes. And that was very smart of them. That was absolutely required.

[00:06:34] And that gave us a day for them to like, kind of start having fights amongst themselves, which definitely, definitely helped. But if it had not been for that, I mean, I think they would have been going down the cage boy theories for drop that kind of quick first night. Right. Yeah. Well, quite frankly, they were missing a few crayons in the box, if you know what I mean. Because we spread a rumor that they, that, that because we weren't there at the beginning, that we could not be traders.

[00:07:03] And that took fire for at least another couple of days. God. That's an unbelievable lie. But anybody who knows any of you guys who's seen any season that you've been on, would see through that lie right away. One of these three has gotta be. But I did, when I looked to my left and to my right, and I knew who both of those guys were, I looked at my, cause that's when I met them was up in the trees in the cage. Wow. And I looked to my left and my right. I was like, I was like, one of these guys is definitely a trader. I knew I wasn't cause I had just been told.

[00:07:30] Um, and so then I have this little bit of advantage in the sense of I'm the only one in the house that has more than likely a 50% shot of guessing. Yeah. One of these guys. So I kept both of them at like a Heisman distance, but like keep them close. Cause you know, one of them might be your trader angel as Sandra puts it. Yes. Um, love that strategy. Well, you gotta know that one of these guys has some really unfair power every single night. Yeah.

[00:07:56] So now you, you're like you and Derek are like in cahoots at this point of the game. I mean, we're, this is going to air a little bit later, but as of where we are watching, it feels like you guys are kind of band together to keep out the trader. The, um, yeah. Yeah. The, the problem is Rob and Rob has made these mistakes very publicly now. So this is not, this is not like spoiler stuff, but like, so this is all like in the show.

[00:08:24] So in my opinion, he's made like such big mistakes that it's just a matter of time before they all kind of figure it out. And I didn't really think that I was the one doing it. Yeah. It was a shame that they got rid of so many survivors because I feel like that is shields for people like Rob, like there you need, yes, you need people who are gullible, but you also need people who are going to shield you and take some of the attention off that you can. Rob has also had a statue built in his honor. Yeah.

[00:08:54] So two out of three cage boys have statues. That's true. We just need one for Derek. I'm big brother. Yeah. This is like giving like the Jonas brothers and Derek is Kevin. Yeah. He doesn't have the statue yet, but maybe he'll get one after the season. Well, we'll have to see. There is no doubt that I wanted to work with the survivors, which is why I gave my shield to Jeremy as like my olive branch. And I was trying to suck up to all of them. As you should. Because not only are they more than likely just on their face value, probably the smartest

[00:09:24] in the, in the house. Um, they also represent the largest voting contingency outside of housewives who were just already being like, who were like that. And don't get me wrong. I was also going to try and join the housewives. Is, is there anybody who you were not? No, that's the thing about Wes that I've learned is he will accept anybody in to his motley crew of misfit toys. What I was doing. Well, yeah, not misfit days. Cause it's all of them.

[00:09:51] I tried to divide the house and then become the president of both sides. That's kind of, that's my shtick. I do that every single season and it, and it, and it's really never, ever worked. But one day it's going to pay off and you're going to be like, I told you. See? The thing about it is the thing that all reality stars just don't get, especially the boring ones are just like, Oh my God, that's such bad gameplay. And I'm like, I'm not doing it to win. I'm doing it to get rich and famous. Yeah.

[00:10:21] And like, you don't get rich and famous by playing like super smart. Like Kelly here. Yeah. He's wrong. You lose. I think I played super smart and I'm like, no, no, no, no. You get rich and famous by stealing the show. Yeah. You do that by creating Coke and Pepsi and then colluding and then being the president of both of them. So I was trying to get in with the housewives and then I was pitting them against survivor. And then I was getting in with the survivor people and pitting them against the housewives.

[00:10:51] And then I was just little old me right in the middle. A dear old faithful. A dear little. A good old boy. A good old faithful. A good old faithful. Oh my God. When I was told I was faithful, that just felt, that was just. Yeah. I was going to ask, are you bummed or? Yeah. I was like, I flew all the way here and you guys are going to let somebody that's not me be a trainer. Yeah. It's a big ego blow. That is such a race. It's a big ego blow because the thing about being a faithful is that they have to know that you can like carry the confessionals.

[00:11:21] You can carry the show. You can kind of like, you can kind of run the narrative and they have to have somebody who they really trust to move it all along. And they obviously didn't feel you were equipped for that role. I'm sure it felt, I'm sure it felt like really soul splitting for you. I, uh, uh, I'll let you have that one. Thank you. Yeah. I'll let you have that one, but you're being put on warning. This is supposed to be. Strike one. This is supposed to be girl talk. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. So what color nail polish are you doing?

[00:11:50] Let's talk about the outfits of the traders. How did you choose your inspiration for wearing a full tux last episode? That was not, that's not a tux. That's a custom suit. I was just going to say it was fitted very nicely. Yeah. It's a, it's a, I had that specially made just for traders and I had the word faithful stitched into the car. Stop. That is so cute. I brought us, I brought another suit that you're also going to see. And it says, and I had a trader stitch into it.

[00:12:16] So I was prepared prepared no matter which one they put me in. I was already, cause do you know how great it would have been if I, cause if I was a trader and made it to the finale and then showed him the inside of my collar that says pre-stitched. That is what I had chills. That's that is the vision. Well, one can hope that that we still get that because you could get recruited. The traders are just eating each other and we're bound to get a new trader soon.

[00:12:46] I don't know how much I think. And you would be the perfect recruit. I feel, you know, you're already, you're already kind of have both sides of the house. You're already a little, a little demonic, you know, are you wearing, um, devil horns in worst cooks in America? No, that's that's yes. Worst cooks in America. Well, cause it's, it's heroes versus villains and I'm on the heroes versus villains works cooks of America. And you want to know what's ironic is the villains were actually much like nicer people. Yeah.

[00:13:15] Well it'd be like that. It's like Glinda and oh, this is a, do you watch wicked Glinda and Elphaba? Like, okay. Well here's the plot. No, I'm just kidding. Real quick. Okay. Real quick. Ariana Grande, she's Glinda, you know, because Frankie Grande is on worst cooks of America with you. And if you're following him, you know everything about this. I, yeah, he's seen wicked 29 times. I know he has. And it's so cute. And I would hope that if I were on. He's a very supportive brother. He's so supportive. Yes. And it's like, that runtime is like three hours.

[00:13:45] It's a long one. Yeah. But the good witch is kind of like morally gray. Yeah. She kind of does what like everybody thinks she thinks is the right thing to do, like out looking. And then the person who like goes against the grain, but morally is doing the right thing is the wicked witch. Actually the hero. Yeah. It's time to reel this conversation back into something more entertaining. Okay. Okay. Well, for a lot of people, a lot of people wicked is entertaining. Is it? Yeah. That's kind of over. Let's keep going. That are listening to off season survivor podcast.

[00:14:14] It's not just survivor. You guys are trying really hard to make this not just survivor. Well, it's just so hard going to happen. I try so hard, but you do Lord knows you can survivor comes back to you. It really does. You can't forget your first love. It always finds a way my first love. It's like the tatted version. I just try to forget about that person and kind of move along into my next phase. How sad challenges the not tatted version.

[00:14:43] I don't know if that tracks. It doesn't track. Interesting. I'll work on that analogy actually. It's more like, like the challenge is the tatted marriage material. Okay. Okay. Got it. Devin doesn't have a single tat. Right. Neither do I. A beer belly for days, but no tat. That's sexy. It really is. You guys love insulting each other. Me and Devin? And the chat. No, just this whole in general vibe. Oh, well, it's, it's sarcasm laced with love. Perfect.

[00:15:11] The coolest people on our show, we banter in a way to where like, it's how you know that you can, you only trust people that are kind of talking shit. If you can. Because it's too hard to talk shit and secretly go against someone. Yeah. It's too hard. And so the idea is that, you know, you kind of, as soon as someone starts being nice to you, you know that they're about to turn on you. I was in the dog house once with Wes and he was like, really nice to me. And I was like, Oh God. Oh God. I have to repair. I was thinking about voting for it that way.

[00:15:41] Yeah. It was crazy. I literally had to like almost throw my entire game out of the window to like re repair the relationship. And I did. Yeah. And I recovered and. And then I went back to talking shit. And then we were shit talking from our twin size beds directly next to each other. I love those. That's kind of girly chat. It was so girly chat. We had a girl. Sleepover. We had a real girls girl. Oh, and then Mikayla. And Mikayla. Was this USA? Yeah. It was USA. Oh, I've seen this.

[00:16:11] Mikayla, who is one of my favorite people of all time. So she's like, I still keep in contact with her. Uh, but her and I were not getting along at that time. Um, I'll take partial credit for it, but really I'm mostly blaming her cause she's she, they, everyone had a hard on for getting rid of the challenge boys. Yeah. Um, and she was at, she was like, she's at the helm at the helm of that. She really was. And the fact is like, I was being super charming and stuff. And so she didn't know like how, or like her computer could not compute all that.

[00:16:38] Like, Oh my gosh, a person that would be really good for my game and knows what he's doing and wants to work with me. But I came in here with this plan to show them who owns CVS. Yeah. And so she couldn't like deal with that. But then we had little old Alyssa. Yeah. We had sweet old Alyssa. From Big Brother? Oh my God. Can we talk about Tyler? Yeah. Just because when I think of Alyssa, it then leads me to sparkles and then sparkles lead me to girl talk about Tyler because we do our makeup together. It's a whole train. You, you kind of understand. She was always shimmered out. It was so shimmered out.

[00:17:08] She was just like this like fairy of a girl who like, she always had glitter on and she just had like a glittery aura and she was just like really sweet and cute. And she fell for this guy, Tyler. Tyler. Who's very sweet. Tyler. Tyler. Big Brother Tyler. Oh yeah. Who's also like apple pie. That's the same. It's like you bite into something and it's so sweet. Yeah. It's adorable. Cute. And now Tyler just like secretly Kylie Jenner having a baby. He did Kylie Jenner. He was like, boom. It's a lot easier to do that as a man.

[00:17:38] I ended up on my tits too. I was like, but he's like, I got a baby and I'm engaged and, and now he's like full back to posting. He like was quiet. And then now he's like lifting weights again on his stories. It was like when Beyonce drops her like surprise album. Yeah. It was like, gotta come back full. Yeah. That did come out of nowhere. It did. I was like, congrats. He was going to make the best dad ever, but it was. Well, I mean, is he going to, is he going to make the baby immediately vegan? I wouldn't, I wouldn't medically suggest that. Oh yeah.

[00:18:07] That was like half of his personality. I forgot about that. What? I forgot about that. That baby is probably like sipping fricking kale, kale tonics. Yeah. Instead of, instead of breast milk. Not, not a medically advisable thing. He's going to put that out there. I bet he would disagree. He probably would, you know, he can go to a different doctor, but I did watch this and

[00:18:34] I don't fully remember it, but what's my first experience with you, Wes? And I asked Michelle before we did this podcast to kind of explain to me things about you. And she really led with, you live next to Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift. So this first thing, I mean, listen, shared interest that you've been missing. So we were, we like to play games on this podcast. We like to fuck around a little bit. So you kind of inspired our sadly though.

[00:19:01] Like if you want to be innovative, uh, where this news got most publicly broken was the first time I was on rap. Oh, really? Yeah. So it actually got on, um, like one of the, like a, not like a team. Oh, it was like TMZ. It was like a written one. It was like a paparazzi. It was like, no, no, no, that's different. That's a different one. Oh, okay. That was the European one. That was hilarious. They posted it. They posted that they papped him and thought he was Travis Kelsey. I've got a sick truck. And they got a bad angle.

[00:19:30] And he was like wearing a hat in it. And it's like Travis Kelsey leaves his like $30 million van mansion is like Wes. But it's because the truck is a break. It was a, it's a bad-ass truck. They're like only Travis Kelsey would drive this truck. You got a monster truck, three, 30 companies. It's a bad-ass monster truck. But, uh, I, he has a truck as well, but I think mine's better. Yeah. Okay. He's got the electric Hummer. Okay. Well that's, that's like a, so counterintuitive.

[00:19:59] It's like my brain is like, well, you either have a Hummer cause you're like that guy that has a Hummer and then you make it electric, which is kind of like a Prius kind of person. It's like, which one are you? He's like an oxymoron. He's an enigma. He is. He's like this big, tough football player on the other end. He's probably gonna have like 12 Taylor Swift songs written about him. I know. Get you a man that can be good. Probably more than 12. Okay. And on that note, I was like the first person to know about any of this stuff. And I tried to tell this woman a long time ago, I was like, they're together just so you know, all of a sudden she was like- You had the tea and didn't believe it?

[00:20:29] She didn't believe it. She was like, she was like, she only goes for artists. And I was, I was like- At that point she was kind of- I did say that. I beat, I beat the, I beat the validating like of her showing up to games and stuff by like six months. Yeah. And here's the thing is that just based on her track record, she loves a brooding artist. She does. That's true. Usually they're a bit scrawnier. They're kind of like-

[00:20:59] John Mayer, Joe Owens. Then you have him who seems chivalrous and like an all good American football player. Yeah. And he's just been winning and crushing. For me, he's the boy next door. He's the boy next door. No, quite literally, he is the boy next door. I love that. Well, knowing Taylor Swift's boyfriend before Michelle definitely wins the girly chat award of this podcast. But I brought this up because I wanted to lead us into the game we're going to play. Yeah. Hello, hello, Michelle and Kelly.

[00:21:28] Sorry for hijacking the podcast real quick, but I wanted to let the lovely audience of the social game pod know. Hello, my name is Pouya. I am one half of the Pouya and Liana lounge, a brand new podcast over here on RHAP. If you're looking for immaculate vibes, good energy, and lots of lore unlocked, we have got the place for you. You can join us over on puyanliana.com for the audio, or if you're looking for the video, that's every week on Fridays, right here on the RHAP YouTube channel. Check us out there. Anyway, back to the immaculate vibes over here on the social game.

[00:21:58] Let's go. So what we're going to play now is the era's tour, Wes's version. Okay. Okay. You have been on many seasons of reality TV for a very long time. And Brandon here scoured the internet through your illustrious career to bring us some of your greatest looks. And we would love for you to not only just, you know, this is a podcast. We have the, we have the audio and the video, but we want you to really describe what we're looking at.

[00:22:27] What inspired the look? What are we looking at? What inspired the look? And then maybe name the era. Okay. You know, like the reputation era, the lover era, right? Got it. I should have asked for approval on this game. Oh, you don't want to. You will. I wasn't going to ask for approval because I needed it to happen. Let's go. So we're going to show us the photo, but also add in, you know, so everybody can see it. So photo number one, starting off real strong here. Show it to us. Okay. Wow. Yep. That is me.

[00:22:54] That is actually illegal to show that picture because I am wearing essentially no clothing and I'm, and I'm underage. I am. I think I am 15 years old in that picture. You know what? We do like to make Rob. I am 15 in that picture. This is younger. Where's they, they had quality photos like that when you were 15. How long? 30 years ago. 40 years ago. Okay. So that is okay.

[00:23:20] So I grew up and went to like a very prolific swim team and swim program. And so that's a picture of me doing the butterfly. And I can tell that I'm about 15 by the color of the goggles. By the goggle color. I could also tell you roughly probably what month that was taken. Cause you, I know by, by how long the hair is. Yeah. Okay. Cause the idea is you started a certain cause there's a soccer length. And then when soccer season's over, you grow it out until you shave it all off. Got it. And so that means that that was probably like early January.

[00:23:50] That is probably why you're also like blindingly pale. Well, no, I'm always blind. Oh, got it. Okay. Across all areas. Okay. Yeah. Here we go. Next one. At least I'm over 18 in this picture, but I cannot legally drink in this one. Okay. My bad boy era possibly. Okay. I'm 20 years old here. So I can't legally drink, even though I'm on national television drinking every single night.

[00:24:19] This is my, that's my, that's my work. Well, what happened was I brought, I had fake ID. Like, yeah, of course. So I, you got my fake ID and then I got, uh, and then once they, they wanted us to bring cameras there. And then what was crazy though, is they let us in all these places for three months. And then we did like this weird off week where we weren't filmed to do press. And then they had us do two days filmed again in the real world house. But the press aired.

[00:24:45] And so, uh, it came out on like, and like the cover of the, of the local big newspaper in Austin that I was 20. And they're like, we've been letting this child into our bars all season. That's like a huge, they shut down for that. So apparently drink underage drinking got way harder in Austin, Texas because of what a legacy. Look at the impact you made. I think it's back now. Many names for this era then. Bachelorette parties are still thriving there. They've, they've supplemented their up underage drinking.

[00:25:14] It took 20 years or however long has it been since. Women bachelorette parties screaming. Yeah. But we're back baby. Okay. Adorable. Bad boy era and or changing the landscape of Austin, Texas. Also probably January. Okay. Well, you can't, you really can't tell with the, this one is great. Oh my. Wow. Look at that faux hawk. Yeah. Well, that's not a faux hawk. It's not. That is a mohawk. In my defense, I am looking at it upside down. Yeah. But upside down, sideways or otherwise, that is a legitimate mohawk. Sorry.

[00:25:44] I didn't, I didn't mean to insult them. Flexing. Very legit mohawk. Looking like. Yeah. As if I, I mean, if, if anything. Notice the t-shirt as well. Yeah. It says casting director, which is, which is funny. Cause I was, that joke is ahead of its time. Like right now there's like a whole porn category about casting director, but that was in 2000 and like five max. 2005. So that was, there was no, there wasn't even porn like that back in the day. You'd have to steal your parents' porn. Like DVDs.

[00:26:12] As the best, as the best option. And so, yeah, so that's, that joke was ahead of its time. Love the shirt. Love the traditional West. Is this a challenge? Is this doing the challenge? That was my first before. That's the cast photo for my very first challenge. The fresh meat. We were in that picture was in, uh, uh, somewhere Byron Bay, Australia. And do we think the flexing is giving intimidation or is it giving? Well, no, it's playful. Look, I'm just kind of like, yeah. What is the face? It's giving, hmm. Yeah.

[00:26:42] Is that good for the audio listeners? Can you picture? Can you picture? Yeah. It's like a seductive flex. Think purse ellipse. Oh yeah. Come get me eyes. Flexing. It's a come hither. It's a come to my casting couch. Yeah. It's giving a little, it's giving a little pervy, but he's, he's over age and still young. So it's not too pervy. I still can't legally drink yet. Oh really? Okay. Wow. I'm still 20. Okay. Wow. You had a big year in your 20. I couldn't legally. Two eras in one year.

[00:27:09] I couldn't legally drink until my fourth television show. Wow. But it shows like if people are trying to figure out how to replicate some, like, like CT and I's as an example success, you start them, you have to start them way younger. Like you, you two probably started pretty old. I was 20. You were young. I'm older. Well, that's a whole lifetime. I started my casting process when I was 19. Yeah. But I was on a good old show being like, but by the time the family show family, you know,

[00:27:39] my cameos are still like 15 year old girls, like, like moms getting them for their yes and being like, you're such an inspiration of my daughter. Like that's my cameos. And yours are like, no, will you talk dirty to me? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. All right. And it's like, who are you on the phone with in there? She's like, make that money, baby. I say that. I say that. So what are we going to call this era? That's my casting casting director era. Okay. Wow.

[00:28:06] Like, so that was the first show that I was legally able to drink. So I theme of this game and podcast is legal drinking age. And once again, I'm wearing very little clothing and you wanted to that picture. It's still to this day pissing me off. Obviously I look very sexy there. He's in a boxing outfit. He's in a boxing outfit. He's not wearing a top. He's buzz cut. And somehow the photographer was able to add like maybe like four or five feet to his actual size.

[00:28:35] So that makes you look a lot taller than you actually are. I'll tell you what that this is a little bit. It's difficult to photograph me because of the pale skin, but you would have never, you would have never met someone more ripped than me in that. I can actually tell you do. But no, that looks just like kind of like fight club jacked in that photo because of the lighting. But if there was better shadowing, you'd be like, oh my gosh. Yeah. That is the most ripped man that has ever been on television. Wow.

[00:29:03] And so that would have been my really painting the picture for that would have been my peak time. Like if you took like a grungy iPhone photo, it would have looked better than that because it just looks so I look athletic. Yeah. You look very athletic. Like it's, it's your best picture. Like looks wise. Yeah. But it pisses me off though, because like, I'm telling you, I was peak in that moment and peak era. Yeah. And you look tall in it, which is nice. Yeah. I look my height.

[00:29:34] Five, 10. Yeah. Five, 10. Yeah. How tall are you really? Five, 10. 10. Okay. Next. Next era. Okay. Way later. Wow. You guys took a big jump in time. Okay. We've teleported. So that is me at the MTV movie awards. Looking five. And you gotta read the t-shirt out for us. It's obviously like when they're, everyone else is wearing tuxes and stuff.

[00:30:01] And I show up in my GI Joe joggers with my tucked into my socks. High socks. High black socks. And a t-shirt that says puppies make me happy in size. Huge font. Huge font. Thank God it's not comic stands. It's a classic aerial font. Huge though. Didn't have time to shave before. He's got a five o'clock shadow going on. Yeah.

[00:30:26] People really, I think people really underestimate how little I care about. I don't think after seeing that photo, anybody's underestimated. You're gonna rate it. But okay. Fun fact. That's actually the day the bananas and I got together. So our. Oh, you got romantic. Yes. That, the week prior, our rivalry, it was very entertaining, but we both destroyed each other's game. And so we had to fly on back from Thailand and they gave up and we're, and they were

[00:30:55] like, Oh, well, since you guys are home early, can you go accept this award at the MTV movie awards? Um, and so puppies, so we, so I put on puppy shirt. He put on the suit. We looked completely opposite. But we had all, we had ruined each other's game for the last time. And we figured it out that night. Oh, that is romantic. Okay. Okay. So why don't we name that up? The bananas. The bananas reconciliation. There's also a really, really long name, but that's Laurel story from that night. But yeah, I heard about that.

[00:31:24] I heard about that. One more thing. But again, I actually am in a new era. Uh, personally, everyone, this I'm actually not going to be mean to Laurel ever again publicly or in person. Cause I feel like it's just kind of kicking a puppy when she's down. Yeah. And puppies make you happy. You can, you can do that. Yeah. Not in that shirt. I, I feel like we ended there. I think that's. Aw. Okay. Well, we can end it here. This is nice. Yeah.

[00:31:50] That's a, well, one of my favorite pictures taken of my daughter and I, um, really sweet. Yeah. She felt we were, we were outside on our, on my deck. Um, and she fell asleep on my arms and Amanda came and shot like a creepy shots. Uh, it's so, it's so sweet. Yeah. And then your arm falls asleep and you can't move. Yeah. You're stuck there for hours while you have things to do, but like, it's cute when it happens. The kids, the kids call that nap trapped. Yeah. Nap trapped. I was nap trapped there.

[00:32:18] Um, but that was a good place. That's a good place to be nap trapped. So cute. She's so cute. Okay. How old is she now? She's 16 months. So a year and a few months. That's fantastic math. Why do people make it? That's like, that's how you do it. Well, because so much, so much changes by the month. Like medically you do this as well. Yeah. So that's like a thing. A 16 month old is going to have different things that you do for her than a 12 month old. Yeah.

[00:32:46] And so because 18 months, even two months makes a huge difference. Wow. Developmentally. Wow. Yeah. And now it's like, I can go like two to four years without even a single, without any development. Yeah. I don't develop at all. I just, it like works the opposite for me. It's like every two months it gets a little worse and worse. You know, I like downgrade. I feel like I'm Benjamin button. Right. We'll do this with you in reverse next time. Okay. Huh. Interesting. Fascinating. We'll end on the dad era. Sure.

[00:33:16] Unless you have a better, a better name. No data is a good one. Yeah. And that's where you are now. I'm in my dad era. So cute. Do you think it's helped you hurt you done anything for you on the shows on the show? Well, I was hoping. Okay. So for years I got gas lit about like voting in dads and stuff. And so I was like, okay, here's one of the many benefits of having a daughter. Is that I'm going to be able to leverage her to make money on reality competition shows. And, and, and, uh, and no one was having it.

[00:33:46] So, so just so everybody knows it is nothing to do with everyone. You know, it's not for leverage. You really wanted to have a baby. No, no, no. I had the baby so I could use her as leverage to advance myself in various competition shows. I love that. One day she'll watch this podcast. Nothing else that you've done, but she'll watch this. This is top billing. This is a capsule podcast. Yeah. Time capsule.

[00:34:15] Send her a USB drive. Yeah. That's so cute. I don't have to worry. This show is going to be canceled so soon. Okay. Well, they only signed us for six episodes. Yeah. So you're correct. Well, until things, you know, pick back up. We're the void fillers. We're void fillers. We're just here in the gap present. I mean, after you have poverty and I like, where could you possibly go from here? Devin. Ugh. No, that's, that's off. Well, not off from Parv, but off from, I figured what we would do is like sort of,

[00:34:44] it's like a roller coaster sort of situation. Like Parv was the peak and then you go down and then we go up. And then we learn a thing or two from her not to peak too early. Yeah. Okay. Well. Oh, and I need to explain that to all your listeners that don't watch survivor. I don't know. From what you've been told me, 99% of the people that listen to this don't have any clue even who you guys are from survivor. Okay. So that joke. You know, on the RATP network. Yeah. That joke means that we've got a woman here that might've peaked a little too early

[00:35:15] and she got voted out because of it. Whereas, you know, you peaked at the right time. You got rid of all the smarter, better players. And then, and then. Uh, did you watch my season? I ended with Aubrey who went to Brown. Okay. I really did not. Exactly. Yeah. So actually I was sitting there. Sure. Ty. I thought we were going to make it the whole episode without an Ivy league mention. Yeah. She went to Yale. So. Oh, nice. She went to Yale and she talks about it all the time. Michelle brings it up every fucking episode.

[00:35:44] She makes it her whole personality. It's my whole personality. Dude, we get it. You have, we know. You know, I lost survivor. So I got to make something else. My personality. Not all of us can make it. So what is that like though, to be sitting next to someone that is smarter than you and went to Arizona state? Is it like a lot of wasted money or. Wait, I didn't go to Arizona state. I got, I got a lot of, I got some scholarships. That took her three or four full seconds to make that joke.

[00:36:12] I ran a few, a few versions of that joke to land on where we got. Listen, if you get to two milliseconds, it's too late. Got it. Damn it. Okay. Well, I, you have coached me in a lot of ways and I feel like this is a teachable moment. So I have to be quicker with my retorts, but then I stumble over my words and then it's not exactly precise. We'll work on it. But did you notice I was only like five to seven minutes late today? This is actually your most on time you've ever been.

[00:36:39] I think Wes called me to make sure that I was on my way out. Actually, our first interaction was discussing your. Yeah. Um, timeliness. Yeah. He gave me some good advice, so I'll take it into account for the future. Lie to me. Yeah. Don't worry about what the advice was. That's his strategy. Did I lie to you today? No. So therefore maybe I have a different strategy. Okay. But here's what I will say. Wes has taught me. Stay on your toes. Wes tried to teach me how to date and look at me now. Yeah. You are peaking. I am dating his best friend. Yeah.

[00:37:08] So I feel like I took your advice. Yeah. You did. Great listener. I am working on my timely thing. I, I'm nothing. You said it on the phone. We can't lie. Now I'm nothing if not coachable. That's true. And you are my coach. You are my shepherd and I am a sheep. That's. Yeah. You are, you are. Keep going. I like this. I am the clay. Is that ghost? I don't know what that means. That went over my head. Oh no, I get it. Yeah. From the. Yeah. I got it. I'm watching Demi Moore right now in a different show.

[00:37:38] So I was super confused. Oh yeah. Shit. That was kind of. That's kind of. It was an old reference. Yeah. It was a throwback. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it would actually hit with your age range. No, I got it eventually. I'm just literally in the middle of a Demi Moore show right now. Okay. So you should have known that Michelle. Threw me through a loop. Sorry. Okay. Well. On that happy note. Let's go. And we're obviously ending on Demi Moore. Yeah. Demi Moore. If you're just. Joining us. Why we have another voice in the mix.

[00:38:08] We brought. She needs no introduction. Yeah. Really. Do you know the. Do you know the voice. Welcome to the off season survivor podcast. We're very honored to have Carolyn here with us. Yeah. Thank you for popping in. She feels betrayed by Wes. And to be honest with you, you really haven't played with Wes unless you have that feeling at some. Okay. That's not true. But let's. Let's put it. Do we need to explain why you feel betrayed though? Because I thought you were my friend. We are friends, but let's. And to just really.

[00:38:37] I don't have a lot of friends. Let's put it this way. But she's this upset of me over my Patreon content, which is patreon.com backslash Weston Bergman. If you can get this trader this riled up, it only costs $25 a month and I'll get you riled up too. And if you go in the archives, there's a few that actually I hosted and those are his best episodes. So you can go back. Yeah. And then unsubscribe when the trap free trial. I was going to, and then I felt stupid too. But then with the tax, it's almost $30.

[00:39:07] I know. Yeah. And again, I thought I was going to get more like talking shit like behind, like, I thought you'd make fun of someone's outfit. Or I thought that you would, you don't do any of that. And he's like. No, I compliment an outfit at the end of every episode. Everyone gets one look of the episode. Yeah. The Luke. The Luke of the episode. Oh. Yeah. Wow. What a good subscriber over here. I don't, I'm not a subscriber because I feel like I should get a discount for friendship,

[00:39:33] but I do feel that I've, I've hosted enough of them. I co-hosted enough of them. Yes. Been a guest at enough of them to know there's a Luke. There's three things. She got addicted for a while and she didn't want to pay. So she would ask on the slide for the link. Yeah. Cause she wanted all the analysis. Why the hell do I have to pay? I didn't know you wanted it. You just popped up one day. I got an email that said Carolyn just subscribed. And I listened and I'm just, you know.

[00:39:58] Um, and just for the record, it is, it is just such good analysis that it's got her this bothered that you all should subscribe to. It's my point, Wes. And I know that we all have a version of us on TV. I don't watch the challenge, but I know who the fuck Wes is just like Bob, the Drake queen would know who Dorinda is just like, you know, who the bigger people fucking are. Even if you don't watch. So I knew who he was and I hated him.

[00:40:28] And I was like, well, that's what I have to do with. She has no idea from the bottom. She has no idea who I am, but she hated me. Before he came in on the cages. I said, I kid. I go. And I said it to Wells, who apparently loves you. I was like, I'm so glad that redheaded fucker isn't here. And because of I judged him. I stare. Yes. Just like other people judge, blah, blah, blah. But then I'm like, wow, he really is nice. And blah, blah. This is the truth. Is that some people like Wes has done this. How many times? Like 20 plus. 20 plus.

[00:40:57] He is hardened in a lot of ways. I don't have emotion anymore. Like, I just don't feel it. And like, I, I really like, I come into when I went on the challenge, everybody was like, she's so emotional all the time. And it's because when you're new and you're fresh, and like, this is your second season, it's okay to feel all the feels. Like, it is valid in a lot of ways. Like, but you also have to compartmentalize and be like, it's a game. So like, eventually, you're gonna get hardened. And so try to actually enjoy the emotions. I know what I'm like, try.

[00:41:26] But then you become like, Wes, who's just a statue and unbothered by anything. I wish I wasn't a statue. It got me in trouble. I know. We've already discussed that. Circling back the statues. Okay, let's play this game. What happened? What do you mean? They made a statue out of me on a show and on a show. Because you're so like. Yes. Like Boston Rob on Island of the Idols. And then I asked him this, like, how the fuck do you, you've been doing this for so long. And I'll never forget. And you're like, I don't have a soul. I don't. I don't have a soul. I didn't say that. I said I'm a sociopath. I heard.

[00:41:56] No, I think I said I don't have a soul. That's synonymous. But he's like, I'm dead inside. I'm dead inside. Redheads in general are known to not have souls. They don't have souls. We definitely have a soul. We have lots of them. I've collected. Sorry if there's any redheads listening. That's just what I heard. This is gonna be rapid fire. So it's just gonna be like one word. And you guys are gonna do it at the same time. Okay? Carolyn, these are mostly your followers. Who you're following. On Instagram. So you're gonna know them. You will probably know them. I don't know them. But we're gonna ask you at the same time to say, would they be a traitor or would they be a faithful?

[00:42:26] Sorry, my sister. This is gonna be a variety of people. Reality stars, famous people, and you gotta give us your gut check. Can we both answer? So it could be like, like we say- So what's the first thing that comes to me? We say, like, say I say Voldemort. You love that. You love that I used that yesterday. Okay, then three, two, one. Traitor. Okay, right. So that's how it's gonna work. Okay? How do I win? But do I have to count every time or are you guys like, can you do it? We can do it. Okay. Yeah, you can do it. This is a non- Okay. Everyone wins this game. Everybody wins.

[00:42:56] It's a win-win. If you feel strongly about why, you can give a quick answer why. Thank God. Succinct is key though. A rapid fire. Rapid fire. Okay, ready? First one. Paris Hilton. Traitor. Faithful. Oh. Okay. Carson. Traitor. Oh! Faithful. I'm just saying traitor. That was a gut check. Faithful. Yeah. Poor Carson. Carson might like to be a traitor. Yeah, he's-

[00:43:24] No, yeah, no, traitor because he really is a devil. Okay. Just in certain ways. Okay. Rome. Uh, I know this. So, that's a traitor. What do you think? Faithful. Faithful. Maybe he'd be like the loud faithful. Yeah. The loud, wrong faithful. Faithful. Okay, go ahead. Okay. Tiffany Pollard. Faithful. Faithful. Okay. Massive. Easy. Yeah.

[00:43:53] Well, she could be funny either way. She would be funny. She would actually- She'd be like- I don't know if she's not on that show yet. How? I don't know. I'm not a cast fan. Okay. Ready? Johnny Fairplay. Traitor. Faithful. Faithful. Why? That man can't carry a show. He can't. He certainly can't. Yeah. And he's- Our direct competition with podcasting. I'm just kidding. True. Okay. No. We're not kidding. We are kidding. Okay. Okay.

[00:44:24] Trader. For the first two reasons. Trader, yeah. Okay. Oprah. Was he your season? Don't get her? Yes. Oprah? Yeah. Oprah. Faithful. Yeah. Kim Kardashian. Trader. Trader? She might be good at it. Justin Bieber. Faithful. Sure. I hate like- You know what I'm saying? I'm like not a like- You're not a Bieber- You don't have the Bieber fever?

[00:44:54] But you follow him. Yeah, you follow him. No, I don't. Oh, he might have just had it. Brandon, this is taking it with Brandon. I follow him. I do too. Oh, maybe these are from mine. I don't know what's going on with the wife. Are they fighting still? No, no, no. There you go. Oh, I have no idea. Beyonce. Trader. Faithful. Please. Dr. Will. I really enjoy him. Faithful. Trader though. Faithful. I like Dr. Will. I think that like, okay. I think that like, okay.

[00:45:21] I'm, I'm, I think that what's fun about Carolyn being so entertaining in the turret is that she is unexpected and that's why she's doing a good job. Like Boston Rob knew what was coming. But that's what's funny is like a guy like me who just screams traitor. Like a hundred. It's too obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's funny. You're watching me have to explain faithful. Yeah. Like if I ever went on, I'd want to be a traitor, but Lord knows the stress would tear me apart.

[00:45:49] But you think I have Michelle Downs like me as a traitor, I would totally implode. I showed up in a custom suit that had faithful written into the collar. Which did they edit out of the episode? I didn't see it on the back. They edited it out. Yeah. What? I was going to ask you that. Why? You thought that was adorable. I thought it was funny. Yeah. I like that. But they didn't show it. I was like, did they take that out? They took the time to like blur it out? No, no. I like showed people in the breakfast room. I was like, hey everybody look at this.

[00:46:20] Look how pumped I was to be a faithful. How do we begin to sum up what we just experienced? I don't know, but it was lovely. Yeah. I don't know. Carolyn, thank you for coming in, bringing the best energy as always. Yeah. You are doing great. You're doing amazing, sweetie. And honestly, I don't really know how that came out. We did the same one, but we tried to fit it in there. We fit in there. We squeezed it in. They're all traitors. They're all traitors. They're all fucking traitors. And I think we'll leave it with this. They're all fucking traitors. You're a traitor.

[00:46:49] You're a traitor. Bitch, you're a fucking traitor. You're a traitor. You all. No, unfortunately I'm the only one that's not a traitor. Yeah, I know. Wes, thank you for joining us in your weird hotel room. There's a bathtub across from us. I know. Carolyn, thank you so much. Carolyn. Carolyn, thank you so much. I want to say Caroline so bad because you're dressed like- Everyone does. You're dressed like a little frou-frou traitor girl. And I want to put this on the- Lovely outfit. You're giving little Bo peep and it's just- When everyone calls me Caroline too, I don't take offense to it and I kind of wish my name was. I know.

[00:47:20] Everybody calls me Michele. I'm like, stop. Everyone calls you Michele? Everybody calls me Michele. I know, it's very French. Okay, anyways. I love it. Thank you guys. I would just like to say from the coolest derivative of Rob has a podcast that there could possibly be, we're out. See you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye.