Survivor San Juan Del Sur Premiere | 10 Year Anniversary

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_02]: On this very night, 10 years ago, Survivor San Juan Del Sur premiered on CBS and it sounded

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: something like this.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we are back here live to talk about a very special day in Survivor history.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: September 24th, 2014 was the day we got to meet the cast of Survivor San Juan Del Sur

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and here with me to talk about this on this very special episode of Rob's Podcast, my

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: great friend who I love talking about old Survivor seasons with, it's Josh Wiggler.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna cry, Rob.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: There's something in my eye.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, it's the fire grease from the trees.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the poison sap.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's burning.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's burning so bad.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you- You just got sapped.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: We just got, it's been 10 years since Survivor San Juan Del Sur.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You freaking kidding me?

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Time flies baby.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We are here.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It was 10 years ago on a 90 minute premiere of Survivor San Juan Del Sur kicked off a

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: season that has become a Survivor classic beloved by a generation who may not have

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: even been watching it at the time, but we were.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Hadn't even been born yet.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Baby Andy was a legitimately a baby.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Literally an infant, an actual baby.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's actually in his 30s, but you get the idea.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So we are here today to talk about this- Are there 10 year old Survivor fans listening

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: to Survivor podcasts?

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Then or now?

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like now.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about now.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that there were then.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Who were like, oh wow, I can't believe- We have no idea now.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We have to wait for them to grow up and tell us that they were listening.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I turned 10.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Minnow's in the chat.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing this live.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Minnow says, I was 11.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: 11?

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: 11?

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Unbelievable.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Unreal.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say how old I was because then I have to say how old I am when it comes to

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor San Juan Del Sur.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You say a classic, Rob.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember back in my day when it was controversial to like San Juan.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a slow burn for sure.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And I will say that we watched the premiere for now and it was, in my recollection, a

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: better post-merge than a spoilers of Survivor San Juan Del Sur.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But really, it takes Natalie's revenge arc to really get going.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's a lot to love in the pre-merge.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the time, especially coming off of Survivor Cagillon, that I think that there was a little

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: bit of a feeling that may have been off to a slow start.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess for some, absence makes the heart grow fonder.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about if there were any wounds that needed healing other than Josh's tree-sapped

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: eyes.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that time had much to do with this.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, going back and watching Survivor San Juan Del Sur, which we are, again, we are

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: recording these words, September 24th, 2020.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 years ago.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: To the day.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: To the day.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: To this day is when San Juan Del Sur premiered.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations to Derek Levasseur for 10 years ago today, winning Big Brother.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So what I was also going to say is happy 10-year anniversary to the very first episode of

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Big Brother that I ever watched.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I've watched like two more since then.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Which was right after, right?

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It was right before.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember which one came first, the premiere or the finale.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that Survivor came on first and then Big Brother came on second.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I went back and I thought that part of the fun of this project for me to go back,

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I looked at the dates and all year long we've been talking about 2014 of the 10-year anniversary

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of Survivor Cog Eon in the spring and a bunch of other things that were 10-year anniversaries

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: this year in terms of Rob as a podcast and starting up the Patreon.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And this was really the start of my full-time work doing Rob as a podcast.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a very special time for me also.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So looking back and mapping out the dates, it's like, wow, oh, this also started this

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: exact week.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's an exciting time for me to revisit talking about this premiere because

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's also a time that a lot of people really started to find Rob as a podcast.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And while Cog Eon got it started, I think that this entire year stretch of 2014 was

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: a real jumping off point for all of the madness that would come in the next 10 years of Rob

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: as a podcast.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say that I think that from my experience being...

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So at this point, San Juan del Sur comes out and I think that I'm two years into knowing

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you as a person other than just as like a TV character.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I start getting involved in the podcast and those are very fun early memories of the

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast. But it's 2014 when I really remember not just RHAP popping off, but I really remember

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Rob popping off is the year 2014.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Just on the Survivor side of things, though, on the Survivor podcast side of things, I

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: think that San Juan del Sur is an historic season of Survivor and RHAP because it really

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: revolutionizes and underlines and stresses the monumental importance of the RHAP soundboard.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The RHAP soundboard becomes a main character on RHAP with San Juan del Sur.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We figured it out a little bit in Cog Eon, but I think then the software started to...

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I figured out like the buttons.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We soft launched it. We soft launched the soundboard software and you became like mad with power

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe too much so.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: By the time San Juan del Sur came around, we had so much to choose from.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: A veritable smorgasbord of San Juan del Sur soundbites.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't believe that Dig Woman was in this very first episode.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. Right off the jump.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Right off the rip.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. We'll talk about that.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a little bit about where RHAP was at also.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Josh and I both watched the premiere.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You just watched the premiere, right?

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I just watched the premiere.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We just watched the premiere.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: First time going back to it since we talked about it, I think on Evolution.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I listened to and watched Survivor Know It Alls from 10 years ago.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually 10 years ago tomorrow, I guess, because of the big brother of it all that

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: we pushed Stephen Fishback to the day after the Survivor premiere.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We bumped the Survivor premiere for the big brother finale.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a busy night.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly, I think in hindsight, and I don't think you needed much hindsight to know that

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that was the right call program wise.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: One that has to get bumped, I think as much as I love SJDS, big brother finale is a big deal.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: A historic big brother night as well.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I also was listening to just now my recap of this episode with the great Kim Spradlin.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That to me was so fun of really where winners at war, when we look back at this era, and

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that this is also what's so fun to go back and talk about the 10 years ago of

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: it all, really from 27 through 40.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you start to have this, you're laying the groundwork in all the Marvel movies

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: of the ultimate Infinity War and Endgame where so fun to have Tony has just won and he's

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: talking about Kim and Kim is talking about Tony in that podcast and first talking about

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy who Jeremy is going to be on the season with all of them.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that the groundwork is being laid for what's ultimately going to come in winners

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: at war.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: If that's the end game, if winners at war is Avengers Endgame is Survivor Endgame.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That bodes poorly for a new era because like phase four, remember we will see ongoing kind

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: of and not so great.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I say that as I like new era Survivor a lot more than I like post end game Marvel.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Hear more about that at we know scripted tv.com.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do want to make this about the premiere of Survivor San Juan del Sur and it really

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: was so interesting to go back and watch this because it really, I don't think you could

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about this without talking about how the one year earlier was in 2013.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The first Survivor blood versus water and it really felt like in watching this back

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Survivor was trying to maybe like soft launch Survivor blood versus water was going to be

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: like the first of many seasons.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like blood versus water was going to be its own iteration of Survivor.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you could like forget like all this talk about like when are they going to do

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: celebrity Survivor?

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be like a big brother ask mini season, right?

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: There maybe it feels like in hindsight looking back on it because the way that probst talks

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: about the blood versus water concept in this first episode.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like we liked it so much.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It was so nice.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We did it twice.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: He's really, really into the blood versus water premise and you could imagine it going

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: on into a few different.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but even the cards that come in and out of the show they call are just calling

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it like Survivor blood versus water that and they like how at the end of the first episode

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: like this season on Survivor blood versus water.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So they were really all in on this theme and it's so funny because that to us who feel

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: like wow what a wonderful season of Survivor by the time we get to the end for whatever

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: reason I feel like that the show it cannot wait to get to Survivor 30 Survivor Worlds

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Apart and they never go back to the Survivor blood versus water concept which they were

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: so happy and thrilled with from the first time they did it.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that one of you know, we we recorded for those who don't know what the evolution

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of strategy even is the evolution of strategy was an audio book chronicling the first 30

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: seasons of Survivor.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I spoke about each season in enormous detail and when we got to the final two seasons

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: of that when we got to San Juan del Sur and Worlds Apart seasons 29 and 30 we were now

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about seasons that had yet to air when we started the evolution of strategy

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: recording process to begin with.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think we always felt like those two seasons specifically.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like the later seasons of TOS like we don't really have the benefit of time

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: yet.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we haven't hit the time travel volume of the evolution of strategy yet, you know,

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and so we were podcasting or recording commentary about a thing that we had just processed and

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: so we didn't have years and years of distance away from it.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I think years and years of distance away from any Survivor season totally warps and

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: changes the way you look at it depending on like how things moved along culturally or

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like how did the show change and how did the game quote unquote evolve.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think in the case of San Juan del Sur and a lot of the seasons from this general

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: time so like now into like even into like really San Juan del Sur and Worlds Apart these

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: final Nicaragua filmed seasons of the show.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that there are some things that happen here or even things that happened a couple

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: of seasons before this that Survivor feels like oh, it's too soon.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We shouldn't we shouldn't touch that again.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And so then they never end up touching it again when I think that probably like people

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: could handle another blood versus water people would desire.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe even another blood versus water and they probably could have done it a whole

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: lot sooner and maybe we don't end like if you if you like kill a triple H I'll trade

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you one Heroes, Healers, Hustlers for a third blood versus water who's not taking that deal

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and what does that do?

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think a lot of things potentially change.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's so interesting because you know, it's at a point where I think that Jeff is

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: executive producer is playing with a lot of the ideas.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they had such great success with it with the first time that they did it.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And for whatever reason, maybe they felt like that, you know, they had some casting hits

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but not both people from a, you know, a duo ended up being casting hits and they end up

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: going away from it.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that Jeff loves this idea of the relationships and it's so funny going back

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and watching this because I feel like that while this period in Survivor history that

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: we're talking about is a period where there are almost no loved ones visits where the

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: 30s become like really known for the loved ones visit all through the 30s becomes such

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: a staple of the show and we end up getting the interaction that Jeff I think liked so

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: much about this like in the form of the loved ones visit of like, what's it like being the

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: dad where you know, you get to have your son go is going to Exile Island.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what's it like he even asked in this episode like, you know, what's it like that

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you're safe, but your loved one is going to Tribal Council tonight.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't even know.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think is what Jeremy says.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but baby just look at that one interaction to see just how much juice there was to squeeze

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: from San Juan Del Sol the season it opens with day zero right night 090 where all the

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: couples are stranded across Nicaragua hanging out trying to make fire the late great the

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: incredible the good in this Keith nail talking to my son.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He biffed it lost the striker, you know, this is what's going down and then we get to what

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: could have been Redemption Island Arena, but is now known as hero arena.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to Mike white and it's going to be which in itself is historic right?

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is so fun to be able to like these are things that like we can know now that

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: we didn't know then.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not sure at what point I think maybe in the preseason leading up to it.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Jeff had told the story about that.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It was Mike white the future Survivor contestant Mike white who then Jeff had told Mike white

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: about Redemption Island and Mike white for the first time in Survivor history.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Not the last ends up having like a Jeff can read Mike White's expression and he's like

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh like but is it fun Redemption Island and Jeff they throw it out now personally.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually thought Redemption Island worked its best that it ever worked in far be it

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: for me to disagree with Mike white on something, but I actually thought that the Redemption

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Island at least in the like if you were going to stop it at the merge like they do the hero

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: arena here like I think that it would be perfect for a blood versus water season man.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a psychopath because you heard me rage about Redemption Island years ago and certainly

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: about Edge of Extinction like at this point like whatever bring them back.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not?

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what throw shit at the wall who knows what sticks but I think evaluating what 29

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: could have been like with Redemption Island is a very fun exercise, but even with just

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and like the concept being you're going to choose your champion and that champion has

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to go up against their loved one in the hero arena and legend in the making Jeremy Collins

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: steps up and he's going to be the guy and Jeff says do you want to know who you're playing

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: against and Jeremy like who is one of the deftest subtlest act like socially excellent

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor winners.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that you think of when you think of those qualities and a survivor winner is just

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: like like all over the place in this challenge where he's like, I don't care who I'm up against

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't care.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care who this is just throw him at me and then it's his wife and like she's sort

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of the same way like I don't care whatever this is what we signed up to do and then he

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know destroys her in this in this grab your sack challenge somebody in the background

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to grab your sack Jeremy that did not go over my head and by the time it's over

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like Jeremy's dragging his feet because he doesn't want to have to send his wife to Exile

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Island.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when he's on the mat on the other side of it, Jeremy can't even talk this guy

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: who had like his like sort of like Mortal Kombat one-liners ready to go at the start

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: of this thing when he's like, how does it make you feel that Val's going to Exile Island

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy literally says can't talk about it.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm not gonna I'm not I like there's so much there just and we're not even at minute

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: 15 yet and there's so much there.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that there is still so much to squeeze from blood versus water as a concept

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and you don't have to look any further than the first 15 minutes of the first episode

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: of San Juan.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we only watch the premiere.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that this hero arena ends up being the only one with those kind of emotional

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: stakes.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they don't always send them against their loved one.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They do send them.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they that they start to I'm not sure if I can't say that every single one

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: but I don't think that any of the other ones have those kind of against Julie, right?

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not like the emotional stakes are not great.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that like we're so far away from it that like it's a little foggy too.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So like there's aspects of this.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great feeling.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how often you get this anymore with Survivor Rob because you're still so

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: in it but when you're away from it for a while and then you reaccess it there is this incredibly

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like sort of like dissonant joy in like, oh my god, I completely forgot about that as

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you're now like immediately remembering what that's like Wes losing the striker and then

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy having to choose somebody to go with Val to exile Island.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes, I already know I already know who I'm going to send and it's Keith and Keith

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: is getting emotional and he's like starting to like get really emotional because of what's

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: going on between them.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel the emotion of that and he's getting really really worked up and and Jeremy's

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: like questioned by probes like you're trusting this guy, you know, this guy knows how to make

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: fire.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He lost his his Flint on night zero and Jeremy is going it wasn't him.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It was his idiot son and Wes is like, whoa and immediately like all of these things that

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I had completely forgotten are just like totally falling into place the the utter goon squad

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that is Cuyopa up against the seemingly got it together with the exception of Drew Christie

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: who not boo like all of this stuff just like starts like falling into place in this incredible

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like rain of member berries just phenomenal phenomenal stuff.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I had a point here and I don't even remember I was just so you're on a roll.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just so jubilant watching this again.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It was my first time going back to San Juan del Sur.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think since we talked about it the first time.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it really like wasn't fair to like evaluate it so close to it.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So to have now 10 years and be like what happened in the last 10 years to make it that a decade

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: has passed since SJDS so crazy.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I have not rewatched much old so I kind of got a little too close to the stove in 2021

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: when I rewatched 40 seasons in slightly less than 40 weeks when we counted down the seasons.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So since we've been in the new era now since the fall of 2021, it's been like three years

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: since I've really watched any old Survivor that wasn't from what had just aired and it was

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely a little bit jarring to go back to this particular time in Survivor history 10 years ago.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The show did feel a little bit different and again, it's not like now what's very interesting

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: about this and doing this today is that go looking at my own notes.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this Survivor history in this Rob has a podcast history.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It does rhyme because 10 years ago this very week you and I were recording the Survivor Vanuatu chapter

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: of TEOS.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have in my notes here, I've written.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure when we recorded but in my notes, I'm watching Survivor Vanuatu on September 23rd, 2014.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So at the same time that San Juan del Sur is premiering that we are also watching and recording

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: about what was happening on Survivor exactly 10 years earlier in September of 2004.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now I'm trying to forecast where we are 10 years from now and unfortunately,

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that I've crunched the numbers on this Josh and so on September 24th, okay?

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: 2034.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll be in the midst of recapping the premier week of Survivor 67.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Talking about the 10 year anniversary of Survivor 47 and the 10 year anniversary of talking

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: about the 10 year anniversary that we presided over.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be the 20 year anniversary of Survivor San Juan del Sur.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: On San Juan del Sur.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and 30 year anniversary of Vanuatu.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, I'm putting this in my calendar.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to make sure that in 2034 that I've got nothing planned.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Save the date.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is important.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 2034.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Does my calendar go this far?

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: 2034, September 24th.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, a Sunday.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all want brunch?

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, you want to do some brunch?

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll figure, we'll work it out.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Y'all trying to get brunch on September 24th, 2034?

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I am.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like that I noticed some differences, I feel like from going back and watching Survivor

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: San Juan del Sur through now.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: With 10 years difference from where we are, you know, like three or four years into the

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: new era versus where we were then.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things I thought was striking and not like the thing that Wes lost was Jeff

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_02]: describes to us who these people are.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's something I do not believe is in the new era of Survivor.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think that this is a change for the positive because instead of Jeff telling us

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: who these people are, for instance, Jeff describes Missy and Baylor.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And describes them as Missy's three divorces have left Baylor feeling like she's the mother

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: in the relationship.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Did they say that?

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Did they say that?

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if those were their words.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that they would, I think that they would let Missy or Baylor tell you

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: who they are now.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They tend to categorize themselves.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's that.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a few other like Jeff.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that I appreciated about it was that in Jeff narrating and editorializing each of

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the pairs, each of the pairs gets like highlighted with specificity before the show really starts.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's like sort of the benefit of whether it's the benefit of night zero

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: or probably more accurately, like the benefit of like that narrative structure of Probst

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: is telling you who these people are.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That felt a little bit like back in like the earliest Survivor days where like, you know,

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: they'd be like.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And there would be like the pictures of everyone.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There's like Rob at like the computer company.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we technically had that, but you could see it.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like that kind of deal.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And so like sort of had those vibes for me.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that like what the new era is doing instead is like making like bolder format breaks

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and like having these moments where like Carson could tell you how good he is at puzzles,

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: but instead they can show you him doing like printing out the puzzles and doing them at home.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So like I think like there's a way that they're having their cake and eat it too.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But as like somebody who now is like I still don't know how to classify myself,

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but like trending casual at least for like new age Survivor.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I know who Rome is because he's halfway in the well and I know who John is

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's not there anymore.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I obviously know who Asia Welsh is and a few of the others who I know.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But like I don't feel like the cast of 47 was like remarkably characterized for me.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And at the very least, like I don't think that I could like tell you half the names of the cast.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the like 15 minute mark of San Juan del Sur,

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like because like the pairs have been laid out, I at least know the relationships.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a different game literally here with San Juan del Sur.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And a big piece of that is like these aren't former Survivor players.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And like you can't just say like, well, that's Rupert's wife.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they got to work harder to like show you who the various pairs are.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's successful there.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it's necessary now, but that was my only observation.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The observation you made of like, oh yeah, and Missy's just been divorced a whole lot.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And Missy's got a lot of work to do to make it up for Baylor who had to mom Missy.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, Jeff, come on.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to say all that.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You can just let it ride.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Get in the backseat and let Missy and Baylor drive.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just I do think that it's something that the show has worked on over these 10 years of I think.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's probably an improvement, at least from the perspective of the contestants of that.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to let the contestants tell you who they are more so than they are going to tell you who the contestants are.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's great.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's great.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It was nostalgic to see, though.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It was nostalgic.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We end up with two tribes also.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: What a departure from the new era to have these two tribes.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But interestingly, two tribes of nine.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And I believe this is the only season that we actually know.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Edge of Extinction is also two tribes of nine.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And we end up drop out.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So Kim and Kim.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. That's so Kim.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they and then she comes back.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. The next season only to not get a foo interview with me, but could have.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And how it works out with if so is in a blood versus.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, man, the butterfly effect that George R.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Martin warned about.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So Kim, I ends up being not in the season and we end up with these nine person tribes, which I guess does loom large in the very first vote.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Mike Bloom reminds us that Vanuatu, Guatemala and Gabon also had two tribes of nine.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: My question for you, Rob, is off the rip without looking at anything.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you give me the tribe breakdowns?

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You got that in you of tell you like which in Cuyopa, who's in who?

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure I could do that.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So who not boo if I'm going to start with the men of ladies first.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, with due respect to our winner, we don't want anything.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Natalie, Natalie Anderson, Kelly Wentworth.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Missy.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Julie, Julie.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm assuming that they have this is the tribe that has five men.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy Keith, John Mish Reed.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And who am I missing?

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have the courage to remember my name.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. OK.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then on the other side, Alec Christie, John Rocker, Wes, Josh, then Dale.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Baylor.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm. Jacqueline.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Val and Nadia.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. There he goes.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I could not do it for every season of Survivor.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe. But this one.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Could you do that for new era?

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think?

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe so. You want to.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: If I if I asked you and I'm not asking you to actually do this, but if I if I asked you, give me the names of everybody on every tribe from every starting tribe from 41.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Could you do that?

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so. Do you want me to?

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't really want you to try. I don't really want to try.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to come up with a theory.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: My theory being that like in the moment at the time, we had a lot of gripes just like the royal.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We had a lot of gripes about like the various themes and like, does this make any sense?

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why are you a hustler? You should be a hero.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are any of you any of these? This shouldn't be a theme, this kind of thing.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think like in those in those days, like there's at least individuality.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like there is more specificity to like who is on which tribe.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I find it easier to track for me at least mentally, but I have not studied the 40s casts the same way.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But I just wonder. I just wonder.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. OK, Josh, what else stood out to you about the premiere of Sam?

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Individual people, obviously individual people, so many of them who would go on to become legends in their own right.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked a decent amount about Jeremy already, who would just come back a couple of seasons later and deliver a very impressive win.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We could talk about Jeremy all day long in his first episode here.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jeremy is such an interesting character here in Sam Wandel's story.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I always think about, you know, Jeremy and how he came back in Survivor Second Chances.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things that I always think about Jeremy just as the Survivor player is the interview that you did with him when you went out to Cambodia, not Fiji.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And you talked to him before he played in Survivor Second Chances.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And he just came across as like very like loosey goosey and he was at peace with whatever happened.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And to that point, I wouldn't think that that was the right headspace to go into a returning player game.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Jeremy here is just, you know, stressed in Sam Wandel's story.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He has a lot going on.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he definitely has like main character energy, but that main character is like a, you know, Jack Bauer who is just is...

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn it, Mal! There's no time!

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Is just like going through it the entire time he's on the show.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Yeah. Like that is his energy. And then his energy is completely, completely flipped.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: My memory of the Cambodia stuff is that like every single person out there to a person of the Second Chancers was like, I gotta win.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to atone for this thing. I have to like heal this mistake.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And Jeremy basically was the only one or one of very few who is like, this is crazy.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe I get to play Survivor twice. Really?

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And like just like completely, screamingly different from the guy that you see in this first episode for sure.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But you already see like Jeremy with that main character energy.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like such a good TV presence.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The way that he narrates, the way that he speaks, like the wheeling and dealing he's doing on Hunapu is just like very, very fun to watch.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember that there's a moment that occurs early in this episode when we go back to the Hunapu tribe for the very first time

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that we talked about during the evolution of strategy, but could not see the future yet.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Did not know yet that Jeremy would be a Survivor champion.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a moment where he and Kelly Wentworth very quickly handshake deal on an alliance and go their separate ways.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And Wentworth will go on to have a very like underwritten story here in San Juan del Sur, only to become a legend in her own right.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But in that moment, I remember in T.E.O.S., you and I just like crossing that scene and being like, this could be historic.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like this could be a historic moment.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think in a lot of ways, the Hunapu beach actually was very historic, specifically for Second Chance.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. And even going back to that, you know, end game winners of war with Jeremy and Natalie are both going to be part of winners at war and have big parts to play in that story.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And at the time we recorded the evolution of strategy, we had known the second chance.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you had already gone to Cambodia.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The greatest trick Josh Wigler foretold was talking about Vetus having a really good shot at second chance when I already knew he'd gone home.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. But you had known that she was we all had known that she was out there at that particular point in time.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: We would not know.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I also at that point had watched her get that immunity idol at that first challenge of second chance.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And so in my mind, I was like, Wentworth's off to the race.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is good for Kelly.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what? That if we were talking on September 24th, 2014 and we were talking about Wentworth, it wouldn't be Kelly that we were talking about.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be Dale who had the much bigger premiere episode.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Another reason why there's a lot of reasons to mourn.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Farm Guy 69.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say there's a lot of reasons to mourn the fact that Survivor had to skip a year of production for the very obvious reasons of like we were in a global crisis.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think one of the greater tragedies will bear fruit 10 years from now when it's the premiere of Survivor 67 we're talking about instead of the premiere of Survivor Farm Guy 69, which could have been nice.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I'll have to wait 11 more years for that instead of just 10.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, that's, you know, just, you know.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Dale breaks his glasses and starts a fire.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: This just doesn't get talked about.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Did Dale wear glasses? Did he just bring these glasses to break?

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Reading glasses?

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He needs to read it for all like he was going to read all the tree mail and then he couldn't be the tree mail reader anymore because he couldn't read them anymore.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I had completely forgot that Dale gets the fire started with the glasses.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that this totally gets overlooked in Survivor history.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Yaoman does it. And again, everybody's like, oh, my God.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We get Dale doing it. It's a footnote.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then maybe like everyone like on like like if we could like check like the like if there's like any sort of like way like documented way to check like what were like the what was like the search engine like on September 24th, 2014?

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what were people searching for on Google Trends? Go back that far.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are people looking up Dale Wentworth?

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if G Trends was going back that far, but if it was and people were searching for Dale Wentworth that night and then what would yield is like Farm Guy 69.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe people were like, yeah, my kids are in the room.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I know. I'll look at it later.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Josh, something else about some other footnotes about Survivor.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Do people understand that though?

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That was his Twitter handle.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: His Twitter handle, his social media handle was and I believe is Farm Guy 69.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would he change it? Yeah.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Ten years greater. Do we know why he's Farm Guy 69? Was that ever revealed in the lore?

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably. I'm going to guess the year was an important one. I don't know necessarily.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably, you know, maybe.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. Is that the year he started a farm? I'm not sure.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Some mysteries are best left untouched.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably. But so a couple of notable things of Survivor, that I gleaned from, you know, listening to the podcast and stuff like this.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So, of course, Survivor Kai Geon set Twitter aflame, much like Dale did with his glasses back in the spring of 2014.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The cast of Survivor, San Juan del Sur, was not allowed to post on social media about Survivor.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh right, White Rice Wednesdays!

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They had to post about White Rice Wednesday.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they also, was there like a show that they also like were tweeting about?

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't remember what it was. It was like an ABC show, Mysteries of Laura.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Mike Bloom.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: A great Mike Bloom with the encyclopedic memory. Mysteries of Laura, White Rice Wednesdays.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's what they would talk about.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be like if you were watching like the Survivor 47 contestants couldn't talk.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So instead they tweeted about Matlock.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I heard it was good.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch it this week?

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I did. I watched it today. I watched it about an hour and a half ago because I couldn't come on to a podcast in the Survivor 47 live taping season without having talked about Matlock.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like it.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, OK.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'll talk about it anymore.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. So also this was, I totally forgot about this. Survivor San Juan del Sur, that there was a new host of the CBS Survivor Live.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess Parvati had been doing it from, I'm not sure when they started doing it with Parvati. I think maybe during Karim Owen and then Parvati was hosting like on CBS.com a weekly recap of like and have the person there with her in studio.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: She, I believe she moved to New York and left the West Coast and they had hosting Jeff Schroeder, Big Brother contestant.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosted the Survivor San Juan. And I'm not sure if that was only one season lived.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it?

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It did not catch on.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Was it beyond one episode?

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was the whole season.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: When did Survivor Live stop?

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think probably maybe after this.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Because you know, when like you reach like a thought or a series of words and you're like, oh man, haven't thought about that in easily 10 years or haven't had like those two words together next to each other in this context in my head in 10 years.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That's Survivor Live for me right now. Had completely forgotten that that ever existed.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Are there people out here who need to know what Survivor Live was? I think maybe.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible that like people who were zero years old 10 years ago are now watching Survivor as 10 year olds. They might need to know.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So now the Dalton Ross version with Jenna Maraska, is that also was that Survivor Live? Is that the same franchise?

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Where's Mike to let us know?

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that's correct. And I think I don't know if it was an EW crossover or not, but it was Dalton and Jenna for a long time. And then that stopped. And then does it go straight to Parve?

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think that there was a period in between. I think that I think it had was in.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're never the host of this, right? You did some CBS.com blogging though.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did a blogger too.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Which season? Do you remember?

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was during Nicaragua.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: A different Nicaragua.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I think that the original, I'm not sure if it was Survivor Live also, Richard Hatch and Booker was his name. And I believe he was married to J-Lo's sister that they hosted it during Vanuatu.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they switched to Dalton Ross and Jenna Maraska. But we are. Yes. OK. We're way off base from 2014.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We've gone back too far.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the time machine.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Bring it back to 2014.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We always threatened we'd get in the time machine. Here we are. We're in the DeLorean.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. OK. Mike Bloom says Bill Posley hosted it during the Philippines.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That feels like it's a made up fact that doesn't feel possible. And even if it was Bill Posley hosting Philippines, technically doesn't Bill Posley host all of this?

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. You know, it's funny because when I was listening to the Survivor Know-It-Alls, I mentioned Bill Posley hosting the 2014 me. And I'm like, why am I talking about Bill Posley?

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Your audio quality spruced up, you think, over the years?

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what? Honestly, my video quality has improved a lot more.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Your audio is pretty tight.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: If you watch the video on YouTube and you can go back and watch the old Know-It-Alls, the audio quality is not so great there.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But the podcast I was listening to with Kim, I felt like that the audio actually was still pretty good.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And those podcasts, the interviews that I would do would not be on video. It was audio only.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But let's bring it back to...

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, sorry, sorry. We went down the wrong stream. We have to pay homage. We have to honor the greatest figure of San Juan del Sur, looms large over the whole season, gonna get a second chance invite as well.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Just the absolute best, immediately, the late, great Keith Nail.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: How great was it to watch Keith Nail on Survivor today?

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was fantastic.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Emotional.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like in second chance he gets as much as he does here in Survivor, San Juan del Sur.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And he has a side to him, ideally, that we don't really see in Cambodia where he seems just like the greatest guy.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's going to get his moments in Cambodia for sure between like the tuk-tuk or him just zoning out while Jeremy's trying to catch his attention for what is that final six?

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Final five.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But Keith's arc in San Juan del Sur is just so good and emotional and powerful immediately.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: From a guy who's making fun of his son for losing the flint to being the guy who has no problem hopping in and helping out with Val to then being the guy who, again, he's a feared of these urns, right?

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's scared of the game is sort of Keith's whole arc, which is just it's so funny to me in hindsight, because this is a man who went out twice in like almost back-to-back seasons and very quick order and places what? Fifth and fourth? Right? Or fourth and fifth?

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Keith Nail was great at this.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And he had a great shot to win here in this season.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like in second chance, maybe a more of a long shot, but it did feel like that.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He had like an inside track at this thing.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But just like even like even seeing like the moment with him and Jeremy hugging it out as firefighters, knowing that this working relationship doesn't exactly work out, whether in this season or in San Juan.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy also a thing to that delineates him from Keith and Kelly.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Keith and Kelly, I think we're both like relatively excited to see other people from their season out there.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe Jeremy was not pleased at all.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's specific was like, oh, no, not Keith.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Not Keith again. No, not Keith again.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And it's fine. It's fine in this premiere episode that the relationship does sour a little bit when we get into everything with the sub alliance and.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Keith and the hat and the mustache, then like those like beautiful eyes that are like constantly just like about to shed tears.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The jeans, Rob.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The jeans are a really underrated component of Keith who's just always wearing them.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter how hot.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like it's so easy to just like just be like, yes, I can stand like Keith Nail.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Iconic. Yeah.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Keith Nail icon.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He goes to Exile Island a couple of times.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He goes there with Val here in this episode and Val, we don't get to spend a lot of time with her as a survivor contestant here.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Just these couple of episodes.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, Val is such a big personality and really gives us a lot here in this premiere.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Val, Val is Val's great Val's whole like I'm a fighter.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about me. I'll be back.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And when I come back, I'll have a satchel filled with immunity idols.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're not going to have to worry about a thing.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Now, if you didn't rewatch the episode with us, Val ends up Val and Keith go to Exile Island and there are two urns.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They have to both pick one. One urn has a clue to an idol hidden back at the camp.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Val finds the idol with or finds the note inside the urn that has the clue.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Does not share it with Keith.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, Keith is sort of a easy come easy go.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. He's like, all right, that's her business.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: If it's about her camp, then that's I'll leave that to her.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. But he's scared of the game.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want to play this. This is terrifying.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Val gets the clue to the hidden immunity idol.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah, she does.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that ends up becoming sort of a possible hot spot when she returns to Cuyopa and Cuyopa has to go to tribal.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: She hasn't had a chance to meet any of these people yet.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So reason to think that maybe she's somebody to go after.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They really don't go after her, which I remember being a little confused by in the moment.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I went back and shout out to the to the great Mike Bloom here in the chat, who is the king of survivor coverage at Parade magazine.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Once upon a time, I was his father and I was I was his father at Parade magazine and Parade survivor coverage.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And so my survivor coverage began at Parade and it began with this season.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had interviews. I was in the exit interview circuit for the first time, son.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I got a good boy. He's a good boy.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I'm not going to jail yet, but I cannot promise that he won't by the end of our run here.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I went back and I read the Nadia interview and I and I asked her, I was like, you weren't thinking about Val at any point?

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And her thought was like, these boys were like transfixed with rocker.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Once Dale cooked up fire, no one could stop talking like there was just no breaching the boys.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And so Val in her mind was like an essential number in order to potentially combat against that alongside the rest of the girls.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So Val, Nadia, Jacqueline, Baylor and Josh? Question mark.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Which she's not to say. And Josh is like, ooh, that's probably the worst thing you could say about me.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Ask Reed on the other beach. And then like she says it again in confessional and at tribal council.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Not not the best, not the best.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it wasn't really great. She's that in the battle of like, you know, men versus women that she says a couple of times that she was counting Josh as one of the girls.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And look, I think even even at the time we were saying like, maybe she shouldn't have said that.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I went back and like I said, read the Nadia interview.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And my first thing that I say to Nadia is, hi, my name is Josh, but I'm not a girl.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: OK. And I say, Mike Bloom, you got like edit access because like that doesn't need to be in there.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe Mike still has edit. Hey, look, it was it was 10 years ago.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're all we all get better and smarter and, you know, it's OK.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that Josh edit out, though.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You could do that, right? OK.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So Josh, that he was survivor, Josh.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I was so excited to finally have a survivor, Josh.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did not love that.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think that that was the reason why he ultimately didn't side with them.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He actually has a curious vote.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He votes for Baylor. And I think we find out the next episode that he was trying to like hide his relationship with Baylor.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. In the podcast, we're very confused about it.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We're all confused about this. I'm still confused about it because I haven't looked ahead and I haven't like read ahead or anything.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really remember why he does it.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I just remember like this, this being like a bad choice that ultimately doesn't benefit him at all with Baylor.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Like I think like there are moments where like Baylor could be more loyal to Josh, but because he does, she didn't like this.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't like that at all. Yeah.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So Nadia ends up being the first boot of the season.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Dale does not like that she was part of the Amazing Race.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He felt like she was a backstabber on the Amazing Race.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_02]: They did the U-turn in the podcasting.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I say that that was not really my recollection of the Twinnies from their time on the Amazing Race.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly, at Tribal Council, Jeff even asks Nadia, how do you compare being on Survivor to being on the Amazing Race?

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I am a little surprised maybe because Nadia ends up being the first boot.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They include that in there. But for Jeff to even be talking about the Amazing Race was a little bit surprising.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. You can tell that like because like Amazing Race is really not part of Natalie's story out here.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we really like just like we get we get as far we run as far away from the Amazing Race as we can as quickly as possible.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's even only brought up when like Jeff is doing these like night zero intros of all these people.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff was like, yeah, and they were on the Amazing Race.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Then like just like kind of like he has like these epic editorializations of all these different people.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, hey, yeah, Natalie, Nadia, they played the Amazing Race.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was one for us and one for them in the fall of 2014, as of course, Friends of the Pod, Keith and Whitney appeared on the Amazing Race that fall.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right? Yes.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Keith and Whitney got on a different CBS show?

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they did.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that they love to have a showmance.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it was like, hey, we'll give you we'll trade you 20s for Keith and Whitney.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to have known this, but this is another one of those like, really? That happened?

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That also happened. Yeah.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Keith and Whitney?

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: If we want to know why, we'd have to go back and re-listen to my exit interview with them.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_01]: From South Pacific? Oh yeah, that was a really good exit interview that you had with them.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of the best.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That I remember vividly. Now it's all coming back to me.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: An unforgettable exit interview. So good that you didn't do it.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't happen.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So, Natalie is our winner of the season.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_02]: She does not have a very big premiere.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Rather like an under-edited premiere for Natalie.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Nadia gets to carry the Anderson family weight, the narrative weight in this episode.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And as her survivor soul leaves her body, it drifts from tribal council, from the ghosts of Cuyopa to possess Natalie and fuel her with a fury that will take her as far as Jeremy's destruction in this game.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Which will then his soul shall fuel her vengeance even further.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Natalie is like, it's sort of like, did you ever, what's that Denzel Washington movie where the ghost keeps possessing everybody?

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like that. Natalie's story doesn't start really, I feel like, until Jeremy goes.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he becomes the new 20.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he becomes the new 20 and so she has a new 20.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And so as long as she has a 20 in the game, that's her story.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But until then, she just doesn't have a ton to do.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And again, to me, even still going back, it feels like that this is a more top heavy in terms of the stars of the show I feel like are on Hunapu.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: With all due respect to the Cuyopa tribe.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You mean from like, like, like historic, like the like the stars of San Juan del Sur or like even at the time?

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think both. I mean, I feel like that in terms of like if we're going to like rank the, you know, most interesting people in the cast, I think it would be weighted far more for the people that are all on the Hunapu beach.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just trying to like check that and it's really like rockers holding it down over at Cuyopa.

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Val and Rocker are going to be out soon. And then, you know, you end up with Wes, Alec, you know, Josh is a part to play in the story and so does Baylor.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you know, even, you know, Jacqueline and it's gonna, you know, it's gonna take for her to get back together with John to have her story.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. The cast of San Juan del Sur is quite good, I think, though.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think back on these people with like a nostalgic fondness that I still can't summon for South Pacific as evidenced by the mention of Keith and Whitney and that not really doing much for me.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I say that remembering that when we recorded our South Pacific chapter of Evolution of Strategy, that was like the biggest surprise of the whole run for us.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You and I were like really intrigued. Like we were very, very hooked on that season.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is. Is there a difference between what was going on in the casting or is it just like what we saw on the screen from 23 to 29?

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think in 2014, you know, Blood vs. Water, like Philippines is a great season. And then Caramoan, giveth and taketh. Blood vs. Water, giveth. Cagayan, giveth.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But San Juan del Sur, like for some people is take a thing. And Worlds Apart is going to go there too, I think.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think like we're like now in sort of like an optimistic period in that like mid to late 20s of Survivor where I think like there was some ability there to look back at like South Pacific at that time being like,

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this gets a little more hate than it deserves like three years later with like, and I'm ballparking. I don't know if it was three years or whatever it was like 13, 15 years later now at this point.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. South Pacific, something like that. I just don't know that like the nostalgia goggles are on for that.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: If I may posit a theory on, you know, South Pacific versus a season like San Juan del Sur that these returning players who come back between, you know, Rob and Russell and then Coach and Ozzy, that they end up just like taking up so much screen time that maybe we just never got to know some of these other characters to the same degree where probably,

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'd have to go back and look at like the confessionals and everything, but I feel like that the edit is probably more even. Even the people who are like the big stars of the season like Jeremy ends up going out around the time of the merge.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that probably the amount of screen time that we spend with all these characters is probably pretty even.

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That seems fair. That seems like a very good observation.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Like certainly like that's a huge complaint of like who is even Ometepe and Zapatero. Who's on those drives?

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't think you could go back and even look at the season and say like, who was the most purple character in San Juan del Sur?

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Kelly Wentworth.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably. Yeah. Who goes on to be like, you know, a legend.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that San Juan del Sur is like, I don't know. I think like it is in its own way as emblematic of what Survivor was like back then as something like Kagean, maybe even more so.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Kagean is like a legend that has grown larger in the telling and felt like it was sort of like this instantly legendary season to the point where I think like it's it's grown overrated probably to a to a certain extent.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You say you haven't been on Survivor Twitter.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have a I have a I have an inside. I have an insider. And I think I don't I don't think that there has been like sort of like a real like a real reason for any sort of like any feeling developing about San Juan del Sur other than positive nostalgia.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can't really think of like a reason why you would like think back on this season and think about anything other than just like kind of being happy.

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this was like a time when like being a Survivor fan was just about being happy.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We had been through like a fairly dark period of the early 20s and the seasons just were not that good. And now the seasons are kind of bangers again.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The podcast is a banger every single time you're putting a new show out. Like being a Survivor fan during this time was the best.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Like not to besmirch what it's like to be a fan now. Certainly.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a optimistic time in terms of people connecting online in 2014.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it was a period in which the Survivor was was very good and very strong really starting from I think that, you know, coming out of, you know, 26 ends up being like where there's like a lot of talk about Twitter and Cochran gives out his Twitter handle in the Caramoan finale.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have the first Blood vs. Water and obviously Kageyan and then here this other Blood vs. Water. I think it was a time in which Survivor was very exciting.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I think that people then sought out others about like, hey, like let me I'm gonna they put the hashtags on the screen.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So you would say like what are other people saying about this? And it was a time I'm sure people got hate in the in the real time.

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But overall, like I feel like that it was a very positive time around Survivor and it was a period of connection both in Survivor and I think in a lot of online spaces.

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that it was really a point where, you know, it ended up being rocket fuel for this Survivor community to bring it back to something that we heard a lot in this past season premiere from this week.

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a period where I'm not sure where it starts to deteriorate. But this is a time when people were finding Survivor and finding each other.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a very happy time in the Survivor community.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. I think like there's there's this like chunk of time that I would probably you and I were talking about this a bit offline and like trying to sort of like sketch out what that era kind of might be.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it like the first blood versus water through like Millennials, Gen X or something like that? Like feels like a very warm time to be a Survivor fan.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say that that's probably around and look at the political discourse is going to change up quite a bit around the time of Survivor Millennials versus Gen X.

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that moods shift, right? Moods shift.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a very big vibe shift.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a vibe shift. And I think that that is certainly felt like even in these types of communities.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But like I think that we're just like bringing people together.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's also the big moves era of Survivor, which I think really starts in Survivor.

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Survived the first Survivor blood versus water and famously with Sierra voting out her mom.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But we do have at least a few big moves here.

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not the flashiest, probably the Natalie playing her idol in the finale and asking Jacqueline, did you vote for who I told you to?

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably being the biggest of the big moves from Survivor, saying Wanda Elser, but probably it's remembered better like like the big move or the big character generally speaking.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that certainly the characters here in this season, but I think that the show really falls in like it has been my personal thesis.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Survivor falls in love with the blind side in Survivor Kageyan.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in a season where we get the blind side of Jeremy and then it's not really a season of blind sides in Survivor San Juan Del Sur.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that the show maybe struggles with how do we how do we market this?

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but then don't they also end up like they like market like this, like Godfather brawl between Josh and Jeremy and then they both get blindsided back to back.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there is such a question.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't remember it super well.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that there is like an under I think that there is like a like because there is there are like there is a lot of like chicanery occurring on San Juan Del Sur.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And there are there's definitely a vibe of the inmates running the asylum at certain points throughout the run.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like that gets felt and that gets frustrating.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think from I cannot begin to speculate on what it's like to make Survivor from 40 onward.

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But like my experience of like talking to some of these people who were making the show back during like the late 20s and the 30s is I think like their experience, like their front row view of making the show.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Often like their feeling of like how is the show going to be received?

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: This or that is from like the feeling of a blindside in the moment or like watching a big move happen in the moment.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that stuff maybe translates differently to us back home.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like San Juan Del Sur was not a particularly loved season by the people who were who were making it for reasons that are probably like similar, similar to that.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that like beneath the buffoonery, there are like really like fun, solid moves that are being made.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even want to say beneath the buffoonery because I think one of the most instrumental words in the Survivor lexicon is right there in buffoonery.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the buff. The buffoonery is the stuff.

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my stuff ultimately, when I think back on like what I love about this show is the like the level of hijinks you get from season 29.

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that could have been appreciated as much by the people making the show in the moment.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And that might be part of the reason why like all right, we exhausted blood versus water.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't as good the second time. So let's just not touch it.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just not do it again.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like I don't think that's right. I think like I think you could do it for like 51 or whatever if we're going to start this thing all over again.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like and people would be excited. People would love it. They'd be great.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Ramble. Well, I have long found with my interviews that we do with the contestants, the strategy I feel like is fleeting.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, there are certain there certainly is an audience that is here for it.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And like the over explanation of the moves, take it apart. How did it work? What did you say? What did you do? Who was thinking what?

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that's certainly like that autopsy is always interesting.

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But what I find that the things that when people tell me about their favorite moments from this show, from this podcast are always like the anecdotes, the stories, the times they laugh, the character moments that people get.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's very much similar with Survivor.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that we sort of like maybe come in for the big moves. We want to be here for the blind sides, but maybe sometimes they all blend together.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's sort of the moments where you felt something are really the times that you look back and those really stick with you.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so. I think so for sure.

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really looking back at this. This was great. Oh, my God.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to open this up if there's anybody who has any questions. But what do we what do we do with this from here?

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: What do we do with Survivor San Juan del Sur? Like, do we like are you asking like, do we do we put it in the backseat and drive away with it or what are we doing?

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we come back to this in 2034?

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we I think at the bare minimum, every 10 years, we have to check in on San Juan del Sur.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think is is very important. I think it's very important. It's on my calendar. It's a Sunday brunch.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw someone watching this live say, oh, live event, Sunday brunch podcast.

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So one week from now, OK, I believe it's October 1st, 2014.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the 10 year anniversary of the very first live know it all's.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So one year, one week from now in 10 years or 10 years ago, one October 1st, 2014 was the very first live Survivor Know It All's.

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I was I was there. Yeah, there was 75 of us in the basement of the Gotham Comedy Club.

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So I don't know. Should we celebrate that anniversary next week?

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely. Do we go back and do we have like the video to watch and everything? Can we?

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe the video is there. I mean, that would be fun if somebody would then recap the video and tell us about anything. Anything interesting.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, if you're telling me you want to go, you want to come back one week from now and remark on more decade later history in the Survivor Pantheon, I would I would be here in a heartbeat.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I literally have. Well, let's just let's see what the response is to this episode.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the chat, the live chat today was pretty was pretty positive. Yeah, very positive.

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Love loved seeing all the people in here. Yeah, I'm up. I'm up for it. I would I would check it out. Let's see what the what the what the folks think.

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. We love to hear from you in the comments about how you felt about this podcast, what it was like having Josh back talking about Survivor.

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: How was that? Was that good for you? It was great for me.

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Any thoughts on after watching the Survivor 47 premiere and how this premiere stacked up?

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was the first time that I've watched Survivor live and for ever in such a long time.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I really, really missed that. I'd forgotten how much I missed like what it's like to be on whatever version of Twitter this is right now while an episode is on to then have the podcast live 15 minutes later.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that the the truth about Survivor or at least my experience with Survivor and I imagine many people's experience with Survivor if they listen to like a podcast about San Juan del Sur 10 years later, they're an hour, 10 plus into the podcast.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not even an offseason. The season is happening and you're listening to this content.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that you will be much like me in saying that the Internet was always part of your Survivor experience.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Internet has been like a companion with me when it's come to Survivor from the earliest days of those first few seasons playing ORGs to getting to talk about it on on RHAP to getting to talk about it on Twitter with people.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That live online community component that was alive 10 years ago or was maybe being born in a new way 10 years ago for San Juan del Sur absolutely still exists and is flourishing today.

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I really enjoyed it. I binged the new era and that was a really fun experience that I'm still unpacking. But there's just nothing that really compares to watching Survivor on the weekly.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Watching Survivor on the weekly is just a transcendent experience. So as far as like my takes on 47 right now, my takes are really mostly just about like the community around Survivor or less about the episode itself.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Could we make any comparisons? Like if we're going to make a list of what are the things that Survivor 47 and Survivor San Juan del Sur have in common?

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Both have a famous John.

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They both have notable media friendly or media unfriendly John depending on which media you're talking about.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Were there any... No one fell down a well in San Juan del Sur?

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Dale tried to take the cover to the well or took something off of the well.

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: There are some well shenanigans.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. There's a little bit of Matt chat freak out in San Juan del Sur, but it's Jeremy. Like I think Jeremy is like in like a much more like it's not as big of like a moment as what happened with Andy this week.

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's like there's some drama about kicking out. I don't know that there's a ton.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a ton. Not a ton yet.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see. Might be fun to chronicle as we go through.

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Josh Wiggler, of course, if in case you've been living under a rock or a rocker, a five letter word.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Wiggler has been part of the team talking about scripted TV back here on Rob's podcast.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You can find it all at weknowscriptedtv.com. That's the homepage for all of our scripted TV podcasting.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Weknowscriptedtv.com where every week we're talking about all sorts of non-reality shows.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. We Know Unreality. We didn't want to go that way.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: No. What is that?

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm starting to get a little too trippy. But all kinds of... I actually already talked about Survivor this week on a podcast in the We Know Scripted feed.

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We snuck it into the Survivor feed. So hopefully you all got a chance to listen to that.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But Antonio Mazzaro and I have been podcasting with him for 10 years.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We're still podcasting each and every week on the weekend program, every weekend on RHAP at weknowscriptedtv.com.

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And this past week, we talked about the new era of Survivor and where both of us are at with it.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we cast Survivor Borneo, the dramatic TV show.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Okay. Check it out. Weekend program.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It should be a TV show. It's kind of ridiculous that we haven't dramatized Survivor yet.

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Be amazing.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Be pretty good.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Who would star in Survivor San Juan del Sur, the movie? Could you cast one person?

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We cast one person.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Who would play John Rocker other than Danny McBride?

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, definitely Danny McBride has already played John Rocker. So I don't know. This is not my area of expertise.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. We got a question in the chat that was about Missy and Baylor. We haven't really talked about them.

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So any mention of any of the other cast like Missy and Baylor, who apparently removed a lot of her older songs from her YouTube channel? What?

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: No. Is that gone?

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you still just have that on the soundboard?

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man. I mean, I don't want to get a copyright strike, but...

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. All right. Take it off. Quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. Quick. We don't want to get struck down.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Nicely done, Rob.

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: What else do you got on that? You got any like San Juan del Sur goodies in there?

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a meat collector.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God. I kind of want to keep watching San Juan del Sur at least until Alec Christie tells me that I'm helpful.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, I'm a badass.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And a master manipulator of this game.

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Get in the backseat and let me drive.

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Shut your mouth, homie G.

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Homie G, yes.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not talking to you.

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Smarty-poo.

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Missy and Baylor are a whole ass mood.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember when they would just show up?

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. They had a thing where you could write to them and they would just show up at your house.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, that one, I think that is...

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll just show up.

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll just show up is like the biggest threat anyone has ever delivered.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll just show up.

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I only said Beetlejuice twice.

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Unbelievable.

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. All right. Well, let us know how you all are feeling about this and let us know if you want us to do more Survivor memory buries.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll just show up.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll just show up, okay?

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like in many ways that we talked about San Juan del Sur in a way that was like fairer and more evolution of strategy to San Juan del Sur than the actual evolution of strategy coverage.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what? In fairness to us, like we were talking about it so close to when it happened, it would be like if we did the evolution of strategy of Survivor 45 right now, you know?

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Yes. Yeah.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to say how it changed the future. It didn't happen yet.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're one of those people who wants like the Survivor 45 chapter of the evolution of strategy right now, then you may as well just pay me and Rob to read the phone book because it's going to be the same level of intellect as in not much.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to vibe.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll do it if you want to release chapter 45 of the evolution of strategy and it's just some phone book banter.

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. Well, look, let's one step at a time.

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[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Not bad. You thought of everything, haven't you?

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Thought of everything. Okay, Josh, what else is coming up for you? Anything?

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Down the hatch with the great Mike Bloom. We've been recapping every season of Lost, but just the seasons. We're not doing an episodic detail because we're not that psycho.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We're almost done. We're almost finished. There's spoiler free. So if you're just watching Lost for the very first time, you can finish a season and listen to the season one recap and so on and so forth.

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Really, really fun. That's been great to do with Mike. Otherwise, I'm here behind the scenes on RHAP helping Rob make the podcasts go boom. So I'm here just like a little bit behind the curtain.

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit. Okay.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Just behind the veil.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Thank you so much for joining us. We've got the slop coming up for the patrons at 6pm Eastern, talking about another sloppy week on Big Brother 26. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye.

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye.