It's been 10 years since Survivor San Juan Del Sur premiered and Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) and Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) are back to talk about it! Rob and Josh will discuss episode 2 of San Juan Del Sur and compare it to the new era of Survivor.[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_06]: 10 years ago tonight it was the first ever live RHAP event and also the second episode of Survivor
[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_06]: San Juan Del Sur. I'm Rob Cesternino back again to talk with me about it is Josh Wigler. Josh, how are you?
[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm doing particularly well. I have some exciting news for you. Yeah. I have two immunity idols.
[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_07]: We have two things to talk about. Yeah, two things to talk about. We've got idol number one, Survivor San Juan Del
[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Sur, still iconic 10 years and one week later. Yeah. And another idol to talk about my good friend Rob
[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Cesternino who is celebrating the 10th anniversary of the first ever RHAP live Know-It-All. First
[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_06]: ever live know-it-alls. I should say because we did do at least an event talking about the first
[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_06]: live event. Not the first live event. We did do a roast. I believe also I had done some Big
[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Brother live shows, but first ever Survivor Live event in New York City. The first ever live
[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_06]: know-it-alls October 1st 2014 and here we are 10 years later was the night of episode two
[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_06]: of Survivor San Juan Del Sur. And Josh and I went back and looked at that and a little fun little
[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: hour of Survivor. Remember when Survivor used to be only an hour? I was having this thought because
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I've been having this like conflicting feeling of like one like 90 minutes is a lot to ask every
[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_07]: single week. Like that's a lot of time to put in your life to watch a show. But having just
[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_07]: finished rewatching or I guess for me first watching 45 and 46 a couple of months before
[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_07]: that and getting those 90 minute episodes and just how full they end up being like you're not
[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_07]: getting like a playing with the boys montage unless you've got that extra 30 minutes. You know what I
[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_07]: mean? And like San Juan Del Sur specifically this episode it felt fast. It felt like real condensed
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_07]: and I think part of that too is like the multiple challenges in the 60 minute like 42 minute format.
[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_07]: It's a lot that's condensed. Having said that this episode specifically I feel like
[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_07]: has a lot of gold in it. Yes. That like was immediately apparent and has like surprisingly
[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_07]: stood at the test of time some of the lines from this episode. You know it's interesting that
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_06]: and somebody checked the math here. Won't be me. The show is now 50% longer. Yeah. But the time they
[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_06]: film it I believe is now if not 50% shorter it's 33% shorter. What are you even talking about?
[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_06]: It used to be. They used to film it for 39 days and make a one hour TV show. Now they film it for
[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_07]: 26 days and make a 90 minute TV show. Are you feeling jilted? Are you feeling like they should
[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_07]: have shown more back in your day? No, I'm not jilted. I'm just saying that maybe that you've
[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_07]: shown. You probably I do think I expect you probably like dodged a little bit of a bullet
[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_07]: in them not having like the 90 minute episodes in the Amazon era. I mean, I might have had 300
[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_06]: confessionals if they had 90 minute episodes more time for me. I don't know what it is. I want to
[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: say it's like 100 but I don't know exactly. But that being said, no, I don't. Driver players
[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_07]: who you think know what their confessional count is? I don't think many because I think
[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_06]: that it's such a like inside baseball stat to know how many confessionals the player has.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_07]: We're talking about a survivor era that's 10 years ago. Can we say it properly inside Schmergen
[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Brawl? Yeah, so I don't think I think it's more of like a fan thing. So I don't think there's
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: that many survivor players that are that deep in the weeds that would know how many
[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_06]: confessionals they had. No, I'm just saying that maybe you're feeling like, okay,
[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_06]: this felt tighter in that maybe like they ended up ending up getting down to a little
[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_06]: bit more of the gold as opposed to just seeing more of what's happening.
[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that there was a lot of gold. I think this is the episode where my life is fine.
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Which is absolutely a thing I just say in my life, let alone on podcasts.
[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: This is the beginning of is this the beginning you think of like Jeff Probst,
[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_07]: the negotiator? Like is this like sort of like the part of the way?
[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. Well, let's start there. Okay. Because I did pull some clips from this episode. And so
[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_06]: that one of the things that happens here in episode two of Survivor San Juan del Sur
[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_06]: is that we see that John Mish a lot of issues with the Flint in this season.
[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_06]: People broke the Flint on day zero. John Mish has lost the Flint. It's a major problem for
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_06]: the Hunapu tribe. The Hunapu tribe goes to tribal council. We see Julie McGee win the reward at
[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_06]: the hero arena and Reed says, Jeff, we have an interesting proposal for you and tries to trade
[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_06]: the Flint not for the fishing gear that they just won, but for a potentially half eaten bag of beans.
[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_06]: A bag of fart and beans. Bag of fart and beans. Yeah. A little bit jack in the bean stock of like,
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_06]: okay, I'm trading my beans for some things. Actually, I think they traded a cow for beans
[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_07]: in that story. I think that this is also by the way, maybe like you just,
[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I think maybe it's just my crazy brain, but I feel like you just opened my mind's eye to an
[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_07]: incredible survivor like idle hunting twist, which would be it would require that survivor supply
[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_07]: their contestants with food again. So like they give the survivors like a starting bag of beans.
[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Someone finds like a Beware Advantage note and the Beware Advantage's terms are
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_07]: you have to plant the beans and wait five days for them to grow into an immunity idle.
[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_07]: So you have to steal your tribe's food and plant it and have it turn into an immunity bean stock.
[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Now again, unless these are magic beans, I don't think that the bean stock, unless like
[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_06]: your the immunity idle is just like little bean sprouts. But I think I think in a bag of beans,
[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I think you can get away with like four or five beans to go plant them.
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I think like you take the bag, you have to bury the bag and like you have to like bury it at a
[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_07]: specific spot. And then Jimmy or whoever is like going around and doing the idle stuff these days,
[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_07]: like when they're at a challenge five days later unburies the bean bag and replaces it with
[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_07]: an idle maybe even in the same bag. And then you pull that out and now you've got your
[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_06]: bean stock idle. Just yeah, no bad ideas and brains. And so
[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Reed yet proposes to Jeff. Okay. A trade for Flint is the trade that's being offered Jeff,
[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: not loving the trade. No, I understand the situation. So the tribe with two firemen,
[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Keith and Jeremy, you've lost it's gone Jeff. So I love that Jeff equates also that they have fire
[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_06]: men on their tribe and that they are unable to make fire. Now the firemen actually do the opposite,
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_06]: but let's not to let that get in the way of, you know, an interesting observation.
[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think necessarily that like being a fireman means that like you need to have 24 hour
[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_07]: supervision of Flint. Like I don't think part of like the elaborate fireman kit is like you go into
[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_07]: the like burning building with a Flint on your hip. Yeah. Okay. All right. You want to make a trade,
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: but you want to keep the fishing gear and you want to trade the beans.
[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Walk me through this from a negotiation standpoint. You're the ones who need to make
[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_07]: the deal. My life is fine. My life is fine is so good. My life is fine. Yeah. This is so,
[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_07]: was it like so, so I have, I have now seen all of the new era, but this current season 47
[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_07]: is the first one I'm watching weekly. However, that being said, I am at least vaguely aware
[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_07]: of some preseason stuff. And was it last season 46 in the preseason where Jeff basically was like,
[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I know I've been soft a little bit. Spicy Jeff. Yeah. But I'm going to bring the heat. I'm going
[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_07]: to be spicy Jeff San Juan del Sur era Jeff. This feels like spicy from the beginning. Yeah.
[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Like my life is fine. Like doesn't he seem very annoyed to be having to do this negotiation
[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_06]: at all? Yeah. I feel that Jeff in these episodes does seem like a little edgier all throughout
[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_06]: these couple of episodes and that he does not like the offer for this trade. He doesn't think
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_06]: it's amusing at all. We're also going to see later on in this season, not to
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_06]: preview too far ahead. There's going to be a second trade where that the, I believe
[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_06]: the Hunapu tribe eats all their rice and then has to trade their tarps for rice.
[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And ultimately that's an issue. Now the rice negotiation does become a pretty big part of
[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_06]: the show going into the 30s and ultimately into the 40s. So I do think it's a huge part of the
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_07]: 40s, right? Like in the 40s, like it's an actual signpost. It seems like yes. In the mid 30s,
[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_06]: we have now, I believe that there are stories that this actually happened first on Ghost Island
[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and it didn't make the show. But Angelina famously sits out of the challenge to earn
[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_07]: rice for the tribe. Right. Correct. But nowadays it's like literally like it's the same challenge,
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_07]: the same timing every season of like y'all hungry enough to sit out of this challenge for beans.
[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Here like the or for rice rather. Yeah, here I wonder like in this era, if we're trying to think
[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_07]: of like ways in which San Juan del Sur and 40 47 are connected across space and time,
[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_07]: could you imagine if Jeff says yes to this deal would Reed have tried to like pocket some of
[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_07]: the beans like secretly just like grab a fistful of beans and put it in his pockets and give it
[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_07]: to Jeff and what do you've gotten away with it? He's a little more flexible than the average.
[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Reed is leaving some of the beans in his pocket and not putting them all in the bag to give to
[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Jeff. Yeah, I think that like his like he like he makes a really good like acrobatics check
[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_07]: on that and is able to just like sort of like stealthily grab some of the beans and store the beans.
[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the DNA of the Jeff negotiating with the contestants. So I do feel like that this is
[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_06]: important here that I feel like I try to remember earlier negotiations and of course in Survivor,
[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_06]: the Australian Outback, they traded in the Texas flag for more rice. And then also
[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like that there was a little bit of negotiation in Survivor Philippines where Penner
[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_06]: ends up like, okay, let's just like, you know, what do we end this challenge and let's you
[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_06]: take the sandwiches will take the rice. Like there's a little bit of that but that's not quite
[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_06]: with Jeff. We also have in this very in this same season ending Survivor worlds apart next
[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_06]: where Jeff ends up letting the contestants where they have the touchy subjects challenge,
[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_06]: which this is the last time we run touchy subjects that Jeff is like, you know what?
[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Why don't you just tell me who should win the challenge?
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah, Jeff's open to like, you know, blowing some things up.
[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that Jeff is at like the beginning of his blow stuff up era. And I wonder how much of this
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_07]: is like, okay, we were about to do redemption island and now we're not going to do redemption
[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_07]: island anymore and like Z little edgy at this point in time. How much of it also is just
[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_07]: because of like the sheer buffoonery of this cast? Like Keith just like days earlier is already
[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_07]: like, yeah, Wesley, who lost the Flint, you know, like my idiot kid lost the Flint.
[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_07]: And now it's his tribe that's losing the Flint and like how much more of this is Jeff able to
[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_07]: withstand it. It's what day five or even at that point. So I think some of the shenanigans from
[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_07]: these people does not seem to be Jeffries favorite. Yeah, certainly possible. Okay. So
[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_06]: at hero arena, right before this negotiation for the rice, we see John Rocker and
[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Julie McGee takes on John, her boyfriend. Yes. In a battle, a climactic battle.
[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_06]: It takes a little bit. Julie ends up winning the challenge and beats John Rocker and John
[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Rocker is asked for his reaction to losing to his girlfriend. John, what's this like for you to
[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: not only lose because that's tough for anybody, but you're losing to your girlfriend. Now you're
[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: going to exile. Remove the friend. I'm losing to a girl. I just got beat by a girl.
[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_07]: John Rocker, such a scumbag. What a scumbag. So I don't mean to like cross the streams too much.
[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Having said that, this episode is the episode that you and Stephen Fishback come to New York
[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_07]: City and bring the know it all into town for the first time live. Yep. And I just rewatched
[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_07]: it a few minutes before we hit record on the podcast and holy crap. Did you not get a good
[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_07]: hated? Like I had forgotten, of course, you know, huge Mets fan and congratulations, Rob.
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_07]: That you would have a lot of rage against John Rocker, but you really pulled no punchers
[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_07]: in saying John Rocker is the worst person on the internet. I mean, I feel pretty decent
[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_07]: about that take. Ten years ago is like, are you still hitting that hard? Like do you think 10 years
[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_07]: greater you're hitting as hard as saying one of the survivor contestants is one of the worst people?
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I really feel like that even in I watched this whole podcast also that I think that we
[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_06]: like the we were for better or for worse in 2014, you know, I think that now we talk about
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_06]: the show again for better or worse in a way is like that every single person who's on the show
[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_06]: is probably watching what we're doing and hearing what we say. And, you know, could potentially,
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, have like some kind of right or wrong righteous indignation about,
[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, everything. So even like, like minor criticism, I think has to be couched in,
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_06]: of course, this is a great person and we don't know them. And then just in this circumstance and,
[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, there's a lot where as in 2014, we could shoot from the hip a little bit more.
[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. I want to go back to the era where we just said that some of these survivor
[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_06]: contestants are the worst people. Well, for that, Josh, you could podcast with us about
[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Big Brother. Well, yeah, that seems like a great idea. Yeah. That seems like a great
[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_06]: idea. Now, John Rocker had quite a resume coming into Survivor and I do think that coming out of
[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Survivor, I think that there was like a little bit of a thought of like, did this experience,
[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_06]: did John Rocker change any of his ways based off of this experience? I think that,
[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, some of the cast had had very positive interactions. I went down a little
[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_06]: bit of a rabbit hole and I said, like, what's John Rocker talking about on Twitter now? Yeah.
[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that like very in a very quick scroll, I got to a tweet where John Rocker said,
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I stand by everything I said 30 years ago. Oh, 30 years. And so I just stand by
[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_07]: everything I said 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay. Great. I love that. Love that.
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. So he does not like losing to Julie. This is not the first thing that he'll lose.
[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_07]: This is a bad episode for John Rocker. John Rocker doesn't do particularly well
[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: throughout this episode. If you think this week's episode is bad, Josh.
[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Just wait one more. But it was kind of amazing to go back and look at how historically
[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_07]: bad he is and also to go back and look at how historically hated he was by you.
[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Was a real treat to go back. Yeah. And I thought I did not have a bad John Rocker impression
[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_06]: also on the Know-it-alls from 10 years ago. He's got to do it. Kenny Powers is really all
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it's gotta be. I'm f'ing out. I'm f'ing in. You're f'ing out. Yeah. But just that line
[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_05]: of forget the friend. I lost to a girl. I lost to a girl. Shut up, John Rocker. Shut your mouth,
[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_07]: homie G. Shut your mouth, homie G. Yeah. Yeah. Not great. But good for you for having a take
[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_07]: that is, I think, enduring 10 years greater. One of the few that has aged well. Okay.
[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So in this episode, we didn't really talk too much about John Rocker's troubled past
[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_06]: in episode number one. There was a little bit of that identifying him. He's a famous baseball player.
[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_06]: But here, numerous contestants are talking about how is that the same guy you hear Dale
[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_06]: talk about? Hey, is that the guy that got run out of the league for saying a bunch of stuff
[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: that you saw Jeremy who also says, I know who that guy is. Jeremy knows. Jeremy's got John Rocker's
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_07]: number. Jeremy is just like immediately like, yeah, that's the dude who said all the racist
[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_07]: and homophobic stuff. And I have to sleep in the same beach with him for the next night or two.
[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. They end up not showing a lot from their time on exile Island together.
[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_07]: They go to exile Island. Jeremy finds the clue to the idol. I couldn't tell if he invited
[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Rocker to take a look at the clue to the idol versus like, is he kind of like did Rocker just
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_07]: sort of like shoulder his way into like looking at the clue to the idol with Jeremy? But Jeremy's
[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_07]: like, well, maybe I need to like be on this racist xenophobes good side so that he could
[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_07]: protect my wife on the other beach. And like at first it's like, okay, you know, not an unreasonable
[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_07]: idea. It's just you're entrusting your wife's fate in the hands of no an idiot John Rocker.
[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So I think that Jeremy is hoping that there could be some sort of like quit pro quo
[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_06]: that goes on where John Rocker will, and for in John Rocker's credit, I think he does
[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_06]: think that he is going to protect Val and him and Val just said, like we're not on the same page,
[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_06]: but I do believe that his intentions were to honor the agreement that he made with Jeremy.
[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Totally. 100%. It just goes horribly goes horribly wrong. Really, really poorly. But I wonder,
[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_07]: has Jeremy ever talked about like, what was that time like? What was that time on exile?
[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_07]: It's a good question. So much like other like historic survivor stuff. Yeah. Talk about that.
[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Like I'm sure he just hasn't really gotten that part of the deep dive. I would love to know
[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_07]: what exile Island night was like for Jeremy and to be fair, that from my recollection,
[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel that Jeremy spoke positively about his time with John Rocker. Now again,
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_06]: John Rocker that they did not go to Jeremy was on the jury. John Rocker famously was
[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_06]: on the pre-jury trip. So I think that maybe Val might have had more time with John Rocker
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_07]: in this experience. Yeah. Yes, it seems like my memory of this is that like the pre-jury crew
[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_07]: from this season, I don't want to speak out of school. And of course, it's a decade later
[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_07]: is where my memory is drawing from. But I seem to remember like pictures of them all,
[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_07]: like by like hot springs and yeah, I think they're like a good time. I like,
[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I think this was this one, I think it was a party season. I really do. Yeah, I think so too.
[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_06]: All right. So Josh, the immunity challenge here in this episode was a sumo at sea. Now,
[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_06]: this was a big set piece in the original blood versus water. Aris and Vitas went
[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_06]: after each other. Vitas fake that he was hurt. He got up and like they talked about
[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_06]: being the villain. So we get it again here, not as climactic sumo at sea here. Well, I guess it
[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_07]: depends on what you're here for. Like if you're here for like, for like a Gomez and Fester,
[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_07]: like throwing knives at each other brother, like you didn't, we didn't get that.
[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_07]: They would be great on a blood versus water season. Adams edition would be amazing.
[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_07]: But what you do get, I think in its place is the Missy Baylor showdown. Yes.
[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And the Missy Baylor showdown in its own way, I think is at least as great if not as like
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_07]: violent, like as it's not as much of an act like, okay, Vitas versus Aris is an action movie.
[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Missy versus Baylor is a drama. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's set the scene.
[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe even a tragedy. Yes. Let's set the scene a little bit. Okay. So here comes Missy and Baylor.
[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_06]: They're going to reset what sumo at sea is for all of the people who were one
[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_06]: 10 years ago. Just in case, you know, you can't visualize what this is in your mind
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_06]: that they don't really do too many challenges like this, but it basically is there's sort of
[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_06]: like a platform in the ocean and you have a man. Survivor has done earlier versions of
[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_06]: this in the mud and stuff like this, but this is you have basically sort of like a like kind
[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_06]: of like a big pillow shield. And then it's your job to push the other person off the platform.
[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_06]: That's sumo at sea. And so why don't we do that anymore? I think that they last one.
[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_06]: This may be the last sumo at sea. I don't think that sumo at sea.
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Why don't we bring the closest we get to this is sort of like basketball in the water.
[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_06]: We really don't wrestle anymore. I think it might be an insurance issue.
[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. Was it like a copyright thing that like they can't do wrestling or something?
[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't believe it's a copyright issue. I just think that like after we almost lose
[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Beast Mode Cowboy, I think that we walk back some of the physicality in the competitions
[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_06]: where like the I think the most we get is sort of like there's a life preserver
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_06]: in the water and you're sort of like wrestling for it.
[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Right. And I guess like, I don't know. I mean, like I'm a big advocate of the blindfold
[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_07]: challenges unnecessarily dangerous and probably shouldn't be run. Like that feels like a really
[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_07]: dangerous one where people say really, really hurt themselves. I know you feel very strongly
[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_07]: about this as well. Having said that, I don't know why perhaps it's just raw bloodlust,
[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_07]: but I would love to see sumo at sea back. And I think that the survivors should be allowed
[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_06]: to attack each other more often. Well, Josh, you say that you'd love to see it come back,
[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_06]: but we had blood drawn in this very challenge as Missy and Baylor.
[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I'm saying is like, ah, more. Yeah. All right. So Missy and Baylor goes into it.
[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And first off, Jeff, you know, we know how much Jeff is interested in these human relationships.
[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And he starts off by asking Missy and Baylor, you know, must be easier for
[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Baylor, the daughter to go into this battle than it would be for Missy, the mom.
[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And but Missy says she's ready. Yeah. Yeah. She's ready. She's visualizing one of her exes.
[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. She's she's putting a different face on Baylor and Jeff is curious of what what
[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_06]: and this is must be music to Jeff's ears to because we love like this is their story
[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_06]: of talking about that Missy's been married three times and Missy is visualizing the face of one
[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_06]: of her exes on the body of Baylor. And however, on the flip, yeah, there's two sides to that coin,
[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_07]: my friend. And Baylor is imagining the face of one of Missy's exes as well. Now,
[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I would like to think so. Yeah. Was that the is that like their like their street fighter theme
[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_07]: song? Is that what's playing underneath the battle? I don't think anyone ever supercut that
[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_06]: together. Probably not. So they go in two battering rams instantly. And I'm not even sure what
[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_07]: happened that Baylor looks like it looks like Missy. Like there's like a little bit of like
[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_07]: like an overreager slip and slide that may happen there. And like Missy's head
[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_06]: is that I didn't rewind it. I thought that maybe just like Baylor might have just bit down on her lip.
[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, really? Oh, well, I think that that way you would have had a like if she had bought her in
[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_06]: the face. Yeah. I think you would have had a more more of a issue like Missy's like Missy's
[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_07]: like, oh my God, look what I've done to my daughter. Like, I feel like that's the moment.
[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Like that's what that's how it reads to me is that and Josh's to me, which by the way we have
[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_07]: to talk about the read. We got it. We got it. We got it. Yeah, incredible. That like then
[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_07]: like Missy's whole like she can't get past what's what's what's happened. Yeah. Like I read it
[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_07]: as like Missy like having like sort of like that iconic like drama movie moment of, oh my God.
[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_07]: What have I run? Yeah. She's just like covered in Baylor's blood and Baylor but I like the idea
[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_07]: that this is like was this like a premeditated like this could have been a really good strategy
[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_07]: of like, okay, well, I've been I've seen Sumo at sea. I know my mom if I just bite my lip
[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_07]: hard enough and produce some like this is like a real like WWE move, right? Of like the razor.
[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Like I feel like is this like going to psych out her mom? I don't know if history bears out that
[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Baylor's got like that level of thinking, but yeah, I don't think so. She cries. Yeah. And then it
[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_06]: seems like that Missy like very half-hearted they resume and just kind of jumps into the water.
[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_06]: She just jumps in. Yeah. Ultimately, we see that it's who not boo that wins even with Missy
[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_06]: not winning the point. We have some interesting battles that happen. Drew beats Alec.
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. So that's our brother battle, but it's not particularly epic.
[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Drew's most epic moment happens while he is on the dock watching the combat
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_07]: as Josh and Reed step into the gladiatorial arena. Yeah. So we have a battle of the
[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_06]: boyfriends. Josh and Reed are going to step up. And so, you know, look, it was a time and we
[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_06]: talk about this in the know it all. I think one of the reasons why San Juan del Sur didn't necessarily
[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_06]: catch on as maybe as quickly as the previous blood versus water. I think it was maybe
[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_06]: hard to follow. Wait, who's related to who? Who's with who? That person is that's that person's
[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_06]: relative. We didn't know these people. So we were sort of trying to learn on the fly. And so
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_06]: we're the people that were in the game. Okay. Reed from Hunapu taking on his boyfriend Josh
[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: from Coyopa. Let's go, Josh. Let's go, Josh.
[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_07]: It's Reed. It is Reed who is on our team.
[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. John Mitch has explained to Drew Christie like no, no, no, that that's that's Reed that's
[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_07]: been on our team for six days. That to me is still so funny. Drew Christie to me is still
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_07]: just unbelievable. Like where's the months of I for 50 was he on the ballot?
[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Definitely not. Definitely do not bring him back for certain. He should not find his Twitter.
[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Don't find his Twitter. I don't want to see.
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, his whereabouts on certain dates. But God was he just like so inadvertently funny.
[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_07]: The and like John Mitch is like sort of like a secret like source of gold as well.
[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Like whether it's his like panic about losing the Flint or just like the very casual it is
[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Reed who is the one on our team. It's just like it's just way too funny.
[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, there's a scene early in the episode, Josh, where Jeremy is talking about them
[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_06]: that ends and they're like doing like squats with like pieces of wood and like working out and
[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_06]: like Natalie is rolling her eyes and Jeremy is just talking about how like in a weight room.
[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. He's talking about John and Drew. He's like they're they're not real people.
[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_07]: They're cartoon characters. He got it nailed it on the first try.
[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Jeremy knew I also love Natalie who has, you know, more emotional content this
[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_07]: episode of course, seeing Nadia has gone. So like you're like if we're tracking like Natalie's
[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_07]: winner story, you can see it starting here. But I even love her being like like those deadlifts
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_07]: aren't even impressive, bro. And I don't remember if like 10 years ago at the time Natalie like
[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_07]: when we were talking like evolution of strategy and talking about San Juan del Sur then was Natalie
[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_07]: on Instagram like showing off her like ridiculous workout routine. No, I think that came
[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, I don't follow it closely enough. I think that like her like real CrossFit era
[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_07]: ended up coming later in life. But like was this like an origin story for her?
[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Like she watched John Mission Drew and Tweedle Drew over here like like bench pressing and
[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_07]: squatting and she's like these fricking these these fools these idiots.
[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And did she decide like not only am I going to win this game, but then I'm going to go home
[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_07]: and beat them at their own game. And yeah, the deadlifting champion.
[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know. Oh my God, you fool. Yeah.
[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. Yes. Let's get to what about the battle of the Johns? Do you have any commentary on
[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: the battle of the John's John? Mish actually beats John Rocker there. That's a little
[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_07]: surprising. It's like Red Viper versus the mountain with a happy ending. Yeah. Well,
[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_07]: not like you know what I mean? Not like that happy. Yeah. No, I got I wasn't thinking that. Yeah.
[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_07]: So no heads explode at all of any kind. Sorry, Rob. Where's the spray bottle? I don't know
[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_06]: what's going on too much time with my bloom. Yeah. So the climactic battle ends up being
[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Kelly versus Jacqueline and Jacqueline actually beats Kelly in the first time out. We find
[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_06]: that's Kelly Wentworth's birthday. It is. But she ends up on her birthday being the victor,
[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_07]: propelling who not put to victory. Yeah. Great. You know who's like a who I had forgotten again,
[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_07]: a lot of watching this has been like has been like in like when when like they wake up in
[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_07]: the flash sideways and remember their lives before. Yeah, like that has sort of been like,
[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I guess maybe San Juan del Sur is my constant. And so like I touch survivor San Juan del Sur
[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_07]: and I watch it. I'm just like washed with like a flood of sense memory. So I had completely
[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_07]: forgotten in my mind that Dale was like so emotive and like specifically so emotive and
[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_07]: like like physical in his reactions to like Kelly competing in this challenge. Like there's
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_07]: so many types of guests. I was like, Oh my God. Yeah. He's just like throwing his body
[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_06]: all strong. Yeah. He's crazy. He beats Keith Nail also in the challenge. The old guy battle
[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_07]: golden survivor battle just got bathed. Yeah. This actually dude was what I got today.
[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, I mean he's just like farm guy 69 does not want to see violence. He did not
[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_07]: sign up for survivor for this. No. Okay. He's so distraught. I've never seen someone so distraught
[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_06]: in a challenge. Let's talk about the saga of Val. Okay. So last time out, we know that we had
[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Val she found the clue to the idol. I believe she came back at the last time and said that she
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_06]: had two idols. She tells us about what her situation is right now. Right now I am in a tight situation
[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: because I don't have an idol. I don't have anything. I am just lying. I don't have anything. I am just
[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_07]: lying. Man, going back to the know it all live from the basement of the Gotham comedy seller.
[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Is that what it's called? Comedy seller. It was I don't believe it. The comedy seller
[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_07]: believed something different. Gotham comedy club. Look at these guys. Look at these strapping lads
[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_07]: here on the video version. I could have here. Yeah. Yeah. We could put you know, honestly,
[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I was saying that I thought that this is like the best coverage we have of any of the live shows
[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_06]: the Gotham comedy club. Yeah. You can see the sign here. Well, we could talk more about that
[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_07]: at the end. Sure. But all I want to say here to bring it in is man, fishback really gets
[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_07]: like a real hate into Val's gameplay here. Well, this was a different time you could be
[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_06]: like look and Steven is going to have a very special relationship with the Collins in about
[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_06]: a year. So it's a origin story for sure. But yeah, I mean it was a time where he said that he
[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_06]: thought that Val was maybe made the biggest blunder in survivor history, which I thought
[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_07]: a top five worst move was his take. My memory, I haven't gone back and read like the fishback
[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_07]: chapter that I wrote for the survivor 31 preseason. But I remember fishback being like,
[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if Jeremy is going to like me that much because he definitely watched the
[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_07]: coverage and I was pretty harsh to Val. So there was actually some like
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_07]: introspection. There's like some historical significance to how this particular live know
[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_07]: it all could have had some impact at least on the survivor Cambodia preseason when it comes to
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_07]: any severe gastrointestinal distress that even was feeling before the game. Well,
[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_06]: if there was any issue, Jeremy did not hold it against Steven that they I think like instantly
[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_06]: got along in Cambodia and our friends still to this day. So I think that, you know, look,
[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_06]: it was a time of hot takes and hyperbole. Has it really changed that much?
[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I think for us it has. I think that we maybe the hyperbole stays but the takes are maybe not
[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_06]: as scorching. Yeah. Do we need to be meaner as a society? I don't know if we need to be meaner.
[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that it's not necessarily the meanest, but I do think that there is an issue with
[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_06]: like people cannot handle any slight criticism. Any slight criticism is as a is a personal attack.
[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Go get them. Sick. Okay. Oh, they're talking. They're talking bad about us and that the
[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_07]: discourse is definitely more complicated. Yeah. So we don't need to be lamina, but are we being to
[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_07]: la Nisa? Yeah. Nice to Rockwell. Yeah. I don't know. Chase nice. So Val turn out to be nice.
[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Turn out to be too nice. Yeah. Turn out to be too nice, I think. You know, survivors now you have
[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_07]: it lucky. You've no idea what it used to be like. Yeah. And that being said also that the
[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: discourse is also while I feel like that the modern day players have more of a hard time like
[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_06]: processing, you know, or like it used to be you could criticize somebody and then they
[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_06]: like wouldn't hold it against you so much. You know, and this is not just with survivor.
[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_06]: This is like in all facets of life. You are either 100% in the tank for somebody or
[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, you are like 100% it's very hard to get like a nuanced opinion of things.
[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Nuance has been struggling. Yes. Nuance has been having a hard time. But as far as the
[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_06]: modern day survivor players, there are ways in which that things are like way more horrible and
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_06]: people are way more out of pocket on, you know, it's like one thing in like a podcast. Okay.
[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah. Your exposure is now right. You know, you don't get like in your, I don't know
[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_06]: the San Juan del Sur players like in their mentions were getting all sorts of like horrible
[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_06]: thoughts retweeted and all sorts of stuff. So it's a, it is a different time. At least not to this
[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_07]: level. Yeah. Okay. Especially like now, like Twitter is like, it is like a war zone now.
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_07]: So like it's even like whatever safeguards existed back then. And also that, you know,
[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_06]: it is a literal double edged sword and what I figured of double edged sword in that
[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_06]: the reach of the podcast is far greater now than what it was where in San Juan del Sur,
[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_06]: how many people from survivor San Juan del Sur were ever listening to this episode of the podcast?
[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe, maybe three or four. Not many. Really? You don't think that people were listening
[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_07]: to the podcast? That's not your memory of it? I mean, at that particular thing,
[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Jeremy's listening. Yeah. Maybe, maybe a few of them like was John Rocker listening? No.
[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, were the Christie brothers listening? Were Wesson Keith listening?
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Rocker definitely wasn't listening. And I know this is more of a next week thing,
[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_07]: because like I believe you guys had a fairly pleasant exit interview if I'm
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_06]: referring to it right? Sure. Sure. I'm a professional. Yeah. Okay. So
[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_06]: all right. Val is in trouble that, and this is a rather complicated vote that's going on.
[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. So John Rocker feels like, all right, Val's got two idols. Okay. Yeah.
[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_06]: So she's going to play her idol and we're going to split the votes on Val and Baylor
[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_07]: and then Val will be fine. Yeah. That's it. That's the move. And so what goes wrong here?
[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_06]: So I think this goes back to, and we didn't talk about this at all of that Reed and Baylor read.
[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, I believe it is Josh who is the one. Sorry.
[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_06]: That was unintentional. Josh and Baylor. Josh and Baylor. Okay. That's they, I'm a little out of
[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_06]: season with San Juan El Sur. It's great. It's great. Okay. So it was kind of ridiculous.
[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Like we're like, what are we talking about? This thing that happened 10 years ago tonight
[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_06]: on TV. 10 buffs greater. Yep. And so Josh and Baylor, they had sort of like this weird thing where,
[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_06]: and I still like Josh, I think is a smart guy who like knew the show pretty well, but I'm not sure why
[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_06]: he just like voted for Baylor to sort of like hide his alliance with her. He could have
[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_06]: just had a hidden alliance with Baylor and didn't have to just write her name down at the first
[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_07]: drop of council. Yeah. I don't really understand still sort of the logic. Maybe I get some of
[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_07]: the logic of like, okay, so this is what I'm going to do. But like, I guess then I'm kind
[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_07]: of wondering like, do you tell her in advance or is it too risky to tell her?
[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_07]: But why? Well, it's not too cute. It's not too cute. It's not too cute.
[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Like what were the rest of the allies like, dude, why did you vote for Baylor? We were
[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_06]: voting for, we were voting for Nadia. Like that was like, well, what if she played an
[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_06]: idol? What if, what if Val gave her the idol? But anyway, so I think that we see that Josh ends
[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_06]: up seeing John Rocker talking to Val and his Spidey senses inherited from Reed end up tingling.
[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that maybe him or Baylor switch an extra vote to Val and then ultimately it ends
[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_06]: up being a four, four tie. And then John Rocker gets passed and then votes Val out for not playing
[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_07]: her idol. And so like Val thought that like, she and Rocker had kept this like tight enough
[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_07]: that she's, she's operating under the assumption then that people don't know that she and Rocker
[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_07]: like have like this connection that Rocker like filled her in on where the votes are going to go
[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_07]: because she's freelancing off of Rocker. She does like, she's like taking Rocker's info
[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and being like, all right, well, I'm going to make my own move within that. And she just doesn't
[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_07]: know that she's been clocked at all. So like I actually, I like, I don't, I think still that
[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_07]: like the, I have two idols is like a big overreach obviously in terms of like the lie that she
[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_07]: tells with that being said, I do think like if that was ever going to like land with a group,
[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_07]: this was the one. Coyota was like a pretty good group to try that on.
[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't think like, I don't think it's that bad of a, I actually don't think it's that bad of a
[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_07]: play that she's like, all right, well me and Jacqueline know where to throw our votes. I don't
[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_07]: think that like she could have necessarily like accounted for Josh is going to like, you know,
[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_07]: like deviate from Rocker's plan. I don't know. Yeah. Like, I just don't think it's like,
[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think Val's move 10 years later, like looking at it like, I don't think it's
[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_06]: that egregious. I think the issue was that, that Rocker and Val really needed to have a conversation
[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_06]: where Rocker needs to come back and say like, Hey Val, me and your husband talked, he told me
[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_06]: to keep an eye on you. She's like, okay, all right. Well, all right, the good. I have to,
[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I have to tell you, I don't have anything. Yeah, right. I am lying. Right. Like, oh,
[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_06]: okay. That changes everything. This plan will not work. Okay. And they could have,
[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I think adjusted it on a fly. Having said that, an issue in all of this
[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_07]: is that guy's John Rocker, you know, and like Val and Jeremy, like if Jeremy knows who John Rocker
[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_07]: is strong chance that Val knows who John Rocker is right? Yeah, maybe they could have spotted him
[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_07]: day zero. Yeah, on the way there. They saw each other at Ponderosa. That's a given.
[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_07]: They're on day zero. Cameras are rolling. They're allowed to talk to each other. That's a given.
[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_07]: That dude's John Rocker. That's a given. So she knows who John Rocker is if Jeremy knows who
[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_07]: John Rocker is. And so like, she might not have reason to think that like Jeremy and Rocker
[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_07]: are going to want to work with each other. So why would she want to be open with John
[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Rocker? If this is like almost any other person on this season, I think maybe Val
[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_07]: is going to be able to like have a bit more faith in the person. But it's John Rocker.
[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Noted races to Xenophope. So Val is still hot with Baylor that Val feels like that Baylor
[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_06]: really threw her and Jacqueline under the bus. They had a plan to vote with Nadia at the last
[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_06]: tribal council and Baylor told them to vote for Dale. Meanwhile, Baylor was voting with the
[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: guys straight up. He told me to vote Dale right on camp. Wow. Wow is right because you did own it.
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Own it. Val is so good. That was awesome. That was awesome. I like I'm thrilled for all of the
[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_07]: survivor success for Jeremy. I would love to see Val back on a season and not just as a loved one
[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_07]: visit. I think she'd be like if they ever did like truly like did like some sort of like
[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_06]: early boot season, I would be so happy to see Val back. And I know that then Val and Jeremy had,
[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, they had they already had two girls and then they had the boys right when, you know,
[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_06]: but I feel like we were robbed of Val and Jeremy amazing race. Yeah, that'd be great. That'd
[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_06]: be really good. Especially that they have like the legacy of Natalie and Nadia coaching them.
[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh man. Right at the live know it all. So you have a very funny joke about the amazing race.
[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's very good. So ultimately we see Val voted out very, very sad after a four
[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_06]: time live know it all that night. Certainly were. We didn't know what was happening.
[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And we tried the pieces together. This was we had never done this before of trying to watch an
[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_06]: episode of survivor in a crowded room and then be able to process it and talk about it with the
[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_06]: people in the building. And now from what I recall, I don't know what your recollection was.
[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_06]: This was not like in the modern day where we are watching the show on like a 200 foot screen.
[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_07]: No. So I was here for this. I this was you get name checked. Yeah, I get name checked. This is
[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_07]: this is a night where I am meeting many of the people from this world for the very first time,
[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_07]: including the great Mike and Angela Bloom who I go out to dinner with before nice.
[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And then I believe Jessica Lease. I meet her for the first time here as well. This was not the
[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_06]: was this the first time you and I had met in person? I have a recollection of you being at my
[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_06]: house. I'm not sure if that I believe that was during Kageon. Yeah, I have. Oh, sure. I would
[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_07]: have met you at Kageon because I would have been an LA for that for sure. So that would
[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_07]: have made sense. But look at this. That's right. You see this here? I got it. I'm going to put it
[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_07]: in. Look at this. It's a little small, but look at these enhance. Alright, let's see if I can enhance
[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_07]: enhance. Whoa, two enhanced, two enhanced. Mm hmm. Look at that. Look at these guys. Yeah,
[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_07]: look at these young, these young whippersnapper. Can we enhance them more? Yeah, let's see. Hold
[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_07]: on. I got it. I got to try and like I have like one of those little track pads and I you
[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_07]: can go too far. You overshot it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is like about as big as I
[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_07]: think it looks like a Zach Wordenberger kind of baby. Is he a time traveling? Zach Wordenberger?
[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's with track. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of looks like you're wearing the same shirt today
[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_06]: that you wore back then. Something changed. Yeah. Something that you may not know about me.
[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, you know, that I have shirts that are well older than my children.
[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_07]: In one corner, you have the young lad in the other corner. You have the young plaid
[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_07]: and that's who we're looking at right now. Yeah. Very, very look at these babies.
[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_07]: And I was 29 the same age as the season. Yeah. And then the next season I would turn 30 and
[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_07]: would celebrate at the live know it all. Is that there would be a gif of me? Yes, I remember. Yes.
[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we'll talk about that next year if we get there. Do I have any photos of that night?
[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Let me see if I can. It was an incredible night and it is like I haven't been to a live
[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_07]: RHAP event in a long time and like I don't know when the next one I'll go to is but
[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_07]: we'll see. But even the last one that I went to would have been like what five-ish years
[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_07]: ago now at this point and the size difference like the scale between how this thing started
[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_07]: and how this thing's going really, really wild. How it started? How it's going?
[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_07]: We were in a basement in a New York comedy club that was as you say on the pod at capacity.
[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_07]: How did you feel that night? If you were ever nervous, you don't show it at all on tape.
[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I was a little nervous. I watched it back in terms of like how we were doing the show. Stephen and
[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I had never done the show in person before and so I think that there was like a little bit of
[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_06]: like confusion of like what we were doing that this one I think went off pretty well. It's
[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_06]: actually the second one that we do, which was during Worlds Apart, which I feel was like the
[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_06]: rougher live show, the episode that we have famously called the worst episode of Survivor
[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_06]: History. Not a lot going on there. Yeah. But I was excited. Sometimes you get lucky, right?
[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Like I think very interesting exercise would be to like rank the episodes of the survivor
[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_07]: know-it-alls of like the live survivor KIAs. Like from like, you get Malcolm on getting voted out
[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_07]: on Game Changers and like iconic red wedding moment from that. That has to be really high
[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_07]: on the list. I'm to understand that Caleb's shot in the dark was a live show.
[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So this would be fun. I actually, so I don't have any pictures from the night.
[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I had a six second video that was on my phone. Can we play this?
[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yes. Let's do it. Hit it. Is there any sound? Is that is it?
[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_07]: You have to, there's a button that you have to push I think somewhere to make the sound happen.
[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. That's what Sam is controlling that. Okay. Well, we'll see. He says one second.
[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_07]: One second. All right. We'll go back to it. We'll go back.
[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Also anything else from the live show clip that you watched?
[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_07]: You mentioned that Jeff Probst is on fire. Yes. I did. I flagged that also.
[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_06]: You say it twice. I thought that Jeff had a great night in this episode.
[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. I just think it's interesting that you called your shot like eight years early
[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_07]: that Jeff Probst would have a podcast called on fire. Okay. Let's see. All right. Let's see.
[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Okay. Three balls. Good. That's a little shot of like, what we were watching.
[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_07]: We were like ostensibly in a bar with these, like I don't want to call them crappy TVs, but
[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I guess that's what they were. They were like comparatively like you've held these at like the
[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_07]: AMC Lowe's and Lincoln Center. You know, like the, we upgrade our gear from here.
[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_07]: We were watching them on two small TVs. Yeah. Two tiny TVs.
[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_06]: We were watching them. Yeah. So it was not ideal. And so there was a lot of confusion in terms of
[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_06]: what we're doing. I think that the stress for me that night was, I think that Stephen Fishback
[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_06]: called me and said he couldn't make it. I think he bazinged me. Oh really? Yeah. And so he wasn't
[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_07]: going to make it as a prank. Yeah. He was like, sorry, Rob. I can't make it. Yeah.
[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_07]: And it was just, it was just a joke. It wasn't like 11 hour panic. Right. But then I think then he
[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_06]: was trying to call me back to say that he wasn't joking, but I think there was bad cell phone
[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_06]: reception in the basement. But so that was the most stress that I was. He was a little late.
[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I think he was like cutting it close. Yeah. I actually am now remembering this too because
[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_07]: now I'm remembering like having like a conversation with you at this point where like we're
[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_07]: talking almost every day because we're recording the evolution of strategy.
[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_07]: What are we up to now? We're recording Vanuatu probably this week. Probably. Yeah. At this point.
[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_07]: And so like I think we, I think like I was like, hey, Rob's agents, like now I feel like we're friends.
[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I can come up. I could talk to you. You can hang up before the show. And I believe I remember
[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_07]: you could find like Stephen's not here yet. I don't know what's going to happen.
[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_07]: But he was, he was joking. He was just joking. Not a good joke. Not a good joke. Yeah. Fishback
[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_07]: a dry sharp wit, you know? Yeah. Like very, very, very clever, but pranks maybe not his forte.
[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe, maybe not. Just like, Hey, I'm going to bail on you with 45 minutes to go before one of
[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_07]: the most important moments of your career. I just kidding. Like that's not a very good joke.
[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. You got your face. Yeah. Don't say that, Josh. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. All right. Then also in the crowd, Sophie Clark makes an appearance here.
[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Really? Sophie, I think that the her mic needed to be turned up.
[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_07]: It's hard to hear. Yeah. Well, it was, I think there were some mic issues.
[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Fishbacks mic broken at the top. The speaker mic, the guest mic seemed to be a little low,
[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_07]: but you had like a good steady flow of people coming up. Many faces that I recognize it was
[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_07]: so happy to go back and see. And like some good questions along the way. Yeah. I think this,
[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_07]: this is like a very good first live know it all. Yeah. I do. We did pretty good to start
[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_07]: the episode in hindsight. Maybe not at the time felt like particularly exciting,
[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_07]: but the episode in hindsight, I think really held up and listen to this serenade from the great
[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Randy Rice, the smartest guys around about to break it down like they won the game a million times.
[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually they didn't really win the game at all.
[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Survival know it all.
[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Survival know it all.
[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Steven and Rob without a doubt got the game of figured out they know it all.
[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Survival know it all.
[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful.
[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Turned out to be right.
[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. And that is, I guess the one common denominator between season 47 episode two
[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and season 29 episode two. Some great moments with Rice.
[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. Some really good moments.
[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Pocket that one away.
[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_07]: For sure.
[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_06]: We can keep that one.
[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_07]: And of course, you know,
[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Great to see those old like the really old school RHAP shirt.
[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Eric Reichenbach design with like you and Nicole like in Star Wars.
[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I still have that shirt somewhere. I used to wear it all the time.
[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_07]: There's no piece of RHAP merch that I have used more than that shirt other than the mug.
[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_07]: The mug is like my coffee mug now.
[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_06]: All right. So nice turnout here, turnout to be nice for this episode.
[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I got some decent live viewership.
[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean that just being full transparency,
[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that there is like a little bit of a question between Josh and myself about the
[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_06]: should we should we should we should the questions are like, what are we doing here?
[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_07]: What is this?
[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_06]: What are we doing?
[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_06]: This is definitely fun to get together for an hour a week and go back in time to what was happening
[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_06]: is the years ago.
[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, what are you getting out of?
[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_06]: But maybe there's something else we should be doing with our time.
[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like what should we do?
[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_07]: What should we do?
[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_07]: What should it be?
[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Should we talk about John Rocker getting voted out next week?
[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like,
[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_07]: failing a better idea.
[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm very here for it.
[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, here's what I'm getting out of this.
[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Like just like like cosmic rays, like of like like a supremely powerful beam of nostalgic
[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_07]: positivity.
[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_07]: That's what I'm getting from going back and what Ari Ferrari in the chat.
[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm getting nostalgia.
[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Sure.
[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_07]: As what Ari is saying and me too, my guy like that's that's what I'm getting.
[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_07]: We also got this from Brian killing it.
[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I hit the wrong thing.
[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_07]: This is it.
[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Are you all going to do any more?
[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_07]: T EOS?
[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I've been listening to it for the first time and it's so funny.
[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_07]: This almost feels like T EOS.
[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_07]: We're almost picking up where we left off.
[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_07]: It kind of feels like that.
[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_07]: It sort of feels like we short-shifted San Juan del Sord world's apart during T EOS.
[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_07]: So this almost feels like a fairer evaluation.
[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like we're this is like secretly like the true T EOS ending.
[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the thing that's really fun about this for me is that we did T EOS.
[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_06]: We talked about every single season of the show and this was like the new era of survivor when we did T EOS.
[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Now this is a ESPN classic.
[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_07]: And in a lot of ways that sucks.
[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't have more to say.
[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Like in a lot of ways that sucks as it means to protect your shoulder in so many ways though.
[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_06]: But this was like the bleeding edge of survivor.
[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And now it's a throwback.
[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I love it.
[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm very happy with it.
[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I think the throwback is really, really fun.
[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it could be interesting also to revisit potentially, especially while we still can.
[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Like where were we in the recording of the T EOS process?
[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I think we would have been at Palau for a while.
[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, so and I'm traveling because I'm in New York for this that this was so this trip for me
[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_06]: was that I came in to New York.
[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_06]: We did the live show on Wednesday night, October 1st.
[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And then that weekend, Nicole and I were going to be throwing a first birthday party
[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_06]: for a young Dominic.
[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And so we had a rather big family party for Dominic.
[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And that was what happened over the weekend.
[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I think we probably maybe Sunday night.
[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Your mom is at the live show.
[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_06]: You guys move back to the East Coast.
[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Like and we're like, okay, mom bet.
[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_06]: But not close enough.
[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Not close enough.
[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Not close enough.
[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah.
[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_07]: It was a real blood versus water affair even at the live.
[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_07]: No, it all is your mom.
[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Your mom is there.
[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Your son is one at this point.
[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Your other son is not yet born.
[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Not yet born.
[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_07]: At this point, Anthony doesn't even exist yet.
[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Ten years greater.
[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure you couldn't have imagined it at the live.
[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_07]: No, it all is.
[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_07]: But 10 years greater.
[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Can you imagine yourself doing sumo at sea with Dominic?
[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Father, son, sumo at sea.
[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think I ten years from now when he's on the show
[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_07]: and you're doing blood versus water.
[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I still got him for a minute, but I don't know.
[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Would you rock him?
[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Like how would you go like how hard would you go?
[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Would you do any father?
[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Weston Keith.
[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But Weston Keith didn't battle each other.
[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_06]: West battled Jeremy.
[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I actually beat Jeremy.
[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_06]: What's the big boy though?
[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_07]: You've evaded the question, but that's all right.
[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_06]: We will check the comments.
[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_06]: See what you all have to say here as we continue on.
[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Back to the present day survivor coming up at Wednesday
[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_06]: night at 945 p.m. Eastern.
[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Tevin from Survivor 46 will be my guest.
[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_07]: That's fun.
[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I really like Tevin.
[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he was a he was a terrific confessional giver.
[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_06]: He would have loved to have seen more of Tevin.
[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Looking forward to hearing what he has to say about survivor
[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_06]: 47 also.
[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Sam Moore wants me to remind people if you want to
[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_06]: experience the modern day.
[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Sam Wanda more.
[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_06]: If you want to experience the modern day live show,
[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_06]: we don't call it the know it alls anymore because
[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_06]: there's no Stephen.
[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_06]: One day maybe.
[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_06]: One day.
[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_06]: He might come out of retirement.
[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: But we will be live October 16th back in New York City for a
[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_06]: very exciting show.
[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I believe it's going to be episode number five of Survivor 47.
[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_06]: If you want to be there, there are still some tickets available
[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_06]: at rob has a website.com slash NYC 47.
[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_06]: We will also be holding a patron only event on Tuesday night.
[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_06]: A little bit of a meet and greet just for our patrons on
[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Tuesday night.
[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Patrons will get that info over on Patreon.
[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Go to what is it?
[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Patreon dot com slash.
[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_07]: How about this?
[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Go to R H A P plus dot com.
[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Whoa, R H A P plus dot com become a patron at R H A P
[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_07]: plus dot com.
[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Support the arts.
[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_07]: This is what we need.
[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_07]: All right, Josh, what's coming up for you?
[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_07]: What do you think about that arts?
[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_07]: A return to strategy support the arts.
[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_07]: That's what's happening over here.
[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Support the arts of war.
[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Support the arts of war.
[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, is that our is that the sequel to the TOS the
[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_07]: arts of war?
[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_07]: The arse to four.
[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_07]: What's going on for me tons at we know scripted tv.com
[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_07]: where you can get the scripted side of R H A P
[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_07]: industry just came in for a thunderous conclusion for its
[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_07]: third season.
[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_07]: We've got podcast coverage of that.
[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_07]: There's podcast coverage of Lord of the Rings,
[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_07]: The Penguin weekly TV takes from Taren and Grace on the
[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_07]: taste makers every Tuesday, every weekend.
[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Antonio Mazzaro and I getting together to talk about
[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_07]: TV as well.
[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_07]: We did a battle of the streamers.
[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Wow.
[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_07]: This past weekend to decide which of the
[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Sumo it's a yeah, it was sort of a sumo.
[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_07]: For the streamers, some head to head action there.
[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_07]: So you can check that out.
[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Additionally, I talked about this week's episode of
[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Survivor 47 on the BNB with Mike and Liana.
[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_07]: We got to play some games.
[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, great.
[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Super fun.
[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I have not checked that out yet, but I've been
[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_06]: meaning to.
[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_06]: So I would love to hear what you have to say on the
[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_06]: BNB always a fun time and always a fun time when
[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_06]: you and I get together.
[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I agree.
[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_07]: And this endorsement from Melissa, if you're not
[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_07]: listening to taste makers TV for real and the
[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_07]: weekend program, you are missing out massively.
[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Wow.
[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm biased, but I agree.
[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_07]: And if you want to fix this mistake for yourself,
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[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much for joining us here and we
[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_06]: will see you next time if are we going to do?
[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Are we going to talk, John Rocker?
[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that we need to hear from the listeners.
[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_07]: How about this for lack of better idea, we're
[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_07]: going to watch San Juan Del Serre three next
[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_07]: week.
[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_07]: And if between now and then someone has like a
[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_07]: brilliant idea as well, we could talk it
[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_07]: through on the podcast.
[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_07]: How about this?
[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_06]: You and I will watch it and you and I will
[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_06]: talk about it.
[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_06]: But we'll talk about it on the phone.
[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Just you and I together, unless I hear from
[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_06]: some people that they want more of this.
[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's that's a great threat.
[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Either way, Josh and I are going to talk at
[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_07]: 3pm next Tuesday.
[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_07]: The question is will we have campus
[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_07]: harder or harder?
[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_07]: So turn out.
[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you so much everybody.
[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Take care.
[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Have a good one.
[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Bye.
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