Survivor Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Cast

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_02] The smartest guys around, are about to break it down, like they've won the game a million times, Survivor Know-It-Alls, I'm Rob Cesternino back here with Stephen Fishback. Stephen, how are you?

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_00] Oh my God, it's so weird to be thawed out from my cryogenic deep freeze that I'm typically in between Survivor seasons.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01] I know, well you haven't gone in yet and so Stephen is here to talk with us about the just announced Survivor 50 Cast that everybody's been talking about. We had such a great response to our show yesterday and we are ready to hear Stephen's takes and talk about everything else that we've learned over the last 24 hours here with you live on Thursday on a Survivor Know-It-Alls.

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[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_00] So cool. It's such a cool story. I read this like when this launched, this launched about two weeks ago. I read the story of how he founded it based on his like deep and enduring friendship with Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Probably the coolest human being alive. I think for me, like for me growing up as a kid in Los Angeles, Anthony Kiedis was the coolest human alive.

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[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah, that's not how we came up with the Survivor Know-It-Alls, but I guess all the great ideas. Yeah, I probably was caffeinated at the time. Yeah. All right. Well, Survivor Know-It-Alls today sponsored by Jolene Coffee. Get 15% off your first order of Jolene Coffee. Go to jolenecoffee.com. All right. Promo code Woodbury in honor of Shane for 15% off at jolenecoffee.com. All right. Steven, so much excitement and drama.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01] And really we've had run the gamut of all of the emotions on Survivor. Everybody has come out and said people are upset. People are somehow people rejoice. How are you at this hour?

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00] I'm good. So, Rob, I want to say I want to come out against all the negative, not all the negativity, but like most of the negativity. You know, I saw the Survivor cast and I was like, that's not my perfect cast. You know, I had people I would have liked in place of other people, yourself being one of them. You know, we can talk about that more in a second.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_01] For the record, I just want to say, and I know there's been so much hand wringing in the Survivor community. Like me not being there has not been my complaint at all.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_00] Okay, but it's my complaint. It's not about you. It's about me as a viewer and a friend. Yes. And a fan, like a fan first of Rob Sesternino. Before I ever met you, I was a fan of Rob Sesternino. And then I got to know you a little bit and that has been tempered over time. Yeah. But, you know, no. Okay, let's start with this. I was going to start with positivity, but in fact, now I've got to start with negativity because this subject has been raised. There is no player who has done more for the franchise, I believe, at all than you.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00] I mean, you could argue like Richard Hatch kind of like defined the identity of the show. We're right there. Don't make this about me. You have never been indicted. Between the two of you.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01] I appreciate it. I appreciate it. But don't make it much appreciated, my friend. Okay, but that's my biggest oversight. Facebook escape at stevenfischbeck.com.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00] Don't try to redirect me. Don't try to like. You don't need to.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01] You don't need to do this.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00] Okay, but no, but it is sincere. And I did not intend to go down this rabbit hole immediately. Eventually, it was, you know, got to get props. I know you've gotten a lot of props. A lot of people are saying that. But truly, it is kind of crazy.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01] I've been touched. I really have.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. It is kind of crazy that you, of all people, are not on the cast. I do think like everyone wants to see you play again. It's been so long. You did so, so, so badly your last time out. So humiliatingly badly. And we all wanted. You're telling me? Yeah. You're telling me? To redeem yourself. And like, you know, it would have been so fun to see you out there. Truly, truly. I'm bombed as a fan and as a friend. That was an oversight. That is an unforgivable oversight. However, I do feel like. So I did my like, you know, where did these come from?

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00] And I kind of. We'll talk about that. But I do feel like everybody is so mad at this season. That it's like. Mostly it's. There's a lot. There's a lot to love here. There's a lot to love. Everyone's got their favorites. You know, everyone's got their like. Their one that they're angry wasn't included. But like, I want to push back on this whole idea of. Well, what we're really mad about is Jeff told us that this was going to be a celebration. And how can it be a celebration if there's nobody from the 20s? How can it be a celebration? You know, first of all.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00] We just had a survivor celebration. You know, season 40 was a celebration. That was a celebration. And it was kind of a middling to bad season. I believe so. Like, and I think part of the problem with that season was that it was too much of a celebration. There was too much of like champagne clinking on the beach. And like, look at us. We're all so great. Like, we got edge of extinction here so that nobody has to go home. We're all celebrating. Like, I want no celebration.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00] I want like gritty, you know, face in the sand, mean fighting. I don't want celebration. I want like, you know, tough survivor.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01] Do you feel like that we got a cast for mean, gritty, not a celebration, all fighting?

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00] You can't have it both ways. You can't say this is not enough of a celebration and this is too much of a celebration.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01] Well, I'm just saying that you're saying like, okay, well, like I'm glad with what we got because it's not a celebration. Yeah.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00] Well, I just think that this whole, we just had a celebration five. How many celebrations do people need? Like, what is a freaking celebration? It's a TV show about people backstabbing each other. Like, what do we need? What is the like, you need cake? Like, what's going on?

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01] So your issue is that you feel like, I don't know where people got this idea. It was going to be a celebration of all of survivor. That's what you're pushing back against.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00] Well, so I feel like that is kind of the, that has been sort of like the excuse almost like we're, and, and, you know, this is, I'm not only, like responding to Kelly Wentworth who didn't mention this, but she was like one of, one of many. So this is not just about Kelly because, um, and then everyone, again, like everyone's got their opinion. This is just my opinion. Um, I feel like, you know, a month ago, two months ago, people were complaining that there was not enough new era cast. It was, oh my gosh, we're seeing these same people we've seen over and over again.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00] Do we really need to see these four time players? Like, I'm so sick of it. Let's do something new for season 50. Now that we're getting a lot of the new era players, people are like, oh my gosh, where are the four time players? How come we don't have Malcolm out there? You know, like, it's like, no matter what they do, people are going to be like, we were promised the other thing, you know? And, and like, I got complaints. I do have complaints. I don't want this to be like full, you know, full, um, sucking kneecaps. But I do think that, you know, like it's a little, a little overdone, you know?

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00] And this was, this was, you know, it's, it's a good season. It's going to be good. I think like every, every single one of these people, I think, I think is going to be exciting on like some for their merits. And I, I, it's like a mix of like these like legends of the game, like Ceri with these like scrappy new players, like Camilla and, and Emily with like, you know, the, the macho bros, you know, with, you know, you've got, um, Jonathan and Joe, and then you've got like the super strategists like Charlie.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00] And it's just like, it is a really interesting mix of different archetypes. They do span most of the, the, you know, the span of the scope of the show, starting with, you know, season one, Jenna Lewis. I overall think it's kind of a good cast. Like there did seem to be sort of, yes, I'm like, there's, there's people who I would have really liked to see out there. I would have loved to see Caroline. I don't know why Caroline wasn't cast. I would have loved to see Omer. Um, and like the last, like, obviously like everyone was mad about 48. And so like them coming in and saying, uh, it kind of feels like an afterthought.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00] Uh, these three people, you know, like, it's like, we don't have enough new era players. Who should we cast? Um, these three are right there. Um, so it just, it did feel like a little bit, but, um, I was, I'm overall kind of like positive on this group of people. Okay.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01] And look, I think in a vacuum, all the people I think are worthy of getting another chance to play. I, you bring up a good point. And I think that this is a question that maybe we might even get answered in the chat. But did Jeff ever say that this season was a celebration of all of survivor history?

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00] Or I think he like, he did say at some point, like, we want this season to feel like a celebration. I think that word was used. I don't know, like all of survivor history. It's an impossible bar. You know, people are saying like, it's not, you know, it's neither a new era, all stars, nor is it like all the legends, but it's like some, it's a little bit of both, you know?

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01] And like, to me, I just feel like it's giving game changers a little bit where, and especially in that, like, and you've got Sari and Ozzy and Aubrey. Uh, but you had like, it was a very top heavy season. And then there was also, and the rest of the cast that we filled in with a bunch of random, uh, here's Haley Ford. Here's beast mode cowboy that are back for this season.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00] But I disagree because I don't feel like you have the Haley Ford or the beast mode cowboy or the game changers here, Don Thomas here. You know, like, I think every one of these people was exciting on their seasons in a way that, I mean, like, again, like anytime you make a judgment about anybody, you're going to be like, how dare you say that thing about Haley? But, um, you know, those guys, those players were all in my mind, like less, they were not the ones who defined their seasons.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_00] I mean, I think if you look at this group of players, every single one of them played hard and aggressively in some capacity, um, on, on their seasons. Okay.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01] To me, I feel like this season, we have not had a returning player season in, uh, six years at this point. And I think that probably a miscalculation to not have done one. So now we're sort of like trying to jam two different returning player seasons into one.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01] But the one that people were really excited about was the one where we were going to get to for the last time, get to see so many of the people that define the show. And we, we got that in something. I haven't complained about the four timers that are in the cast because I think it is cool that we will get to see Sari and coach and, uh, you know, even Ozzy. That's, you know, that's not the stuff that bothers me.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01] It's the stuff about not getting to see people that are maybe this was their last chance that we were ever going to get them back on the show. Whereas these new era all-stars, they were not going anywhere. You know, if, if survivor 54 was going to be new era, second chance that all these people could have waited two years to be able to do it.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01] We're never going to, at least unless there's like, Hey, survivor 60 is going to be the legend season. And now, you know, here comes all these people that are getting now really long in the tooth. I don't know if that is even in the offing who knows where survivor is by survivor 60 or whatever magic number 65. We're going to retire all these people.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01] So I feel like that this was the, this was the literal 50 golden opportunity to have done that with these, you know, the, the real, like the hall of famers and have them come back out one more time. The new era people, they could have done it for 52. You could have done it for 54. Where were they going? Kyle wasn't going anywhere. Kyle probably would love to have had a, uh, a year off and come back and play.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00] But who are you talking? I mean, so I agree with you. Like, I would have loved to see someone like Sean Rector come back. Right? Like I'm, that's the one that bums me out. Yes. I would have loved to see some of these big characters from the show's past that didn't get to play again. I would love to see Sean Rector coming back. I'm very excited to see coach play for, uh, uh, for fourth time, fourth time. You know, it's been, um, 27 seasons since coach played last time.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00] I am excited to see what coach brings to the table. Now I am actually not that excited to see what Suri and Ozzy bring to the table. I mean, I, I am like number one Suri fan. Obviously not. People are going to dispute that because I'm about to say she shouldn't have been on this season. Um, yeah. Um, but like we've seen Suri work her magic so many times. Like, like I want to see like new things happen. I would love to see some of those like classic players.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00] I mean, Suri is going to be on, you know, survivor Australia versus the world this summer. You know? Um, yeah. And like, same with Ozzy. We've seen him so many times. Is he bringing something new that we have not seen before from Ozzy? Like that is like, I would be very happy with Sean Rector. Um, I would love that. And again, like coach, I think is great, but I, I, and I just don't think like, and again, like I'm with you. Wait, like Kyle, Camilla and Joe all from the last season, but like literally every single

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00] all-star season, they is heavily weighted towards the recent casts. Like that's just a reality, you know? Like they're all that way. Like, I mean, I tweeted this, you know, Cambodia was like nine people from the previous three seasons. Like, um, you know, heroes, villains, like also like heavily weighted, um, for the, for the previous seasons. You know, you, you had freaking Randy and sugar on that season. Cause they were recent. Like no one's ever casting Randy and sugar again.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01] Um, the, you know, we had like, I mean, like, you know, you, that's, that is a fair point that this is something that they have done in the best, but it's not like, Hey, this is what we do on survivor. This is a part of the show that we always bring back a ton of people from just because they've done it in the past. Doesn't mean that they had to do it for this particular season. And I think that's just like the demand. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Well, and also like, um, you bring up Sari and you bring up Ozzy, but I don't think anybody

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01] is saying that that's the problem with the cast. Like, why is Sari here? Why is Ozzy here? I think that the issue that so many people like myself have is just that there's so many of the new people and that we, uh, missed out on the Sean Rectors of the world because that we, uh, got in all these people who have only played in the last year or two, including people that have not even played yet.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00] We haven't even seen them. Well, but of course they're going to do someone from 49 to lead into 50 like that, like to think that they wouldn't cast two people from 49 leading into 50 is, I feel like that's just like, you know, the only time that they didn't do that was with, with, um, Samoa and Tahir's villains. And that was just because they only had like one that they liked, you know, like it's, I guess like 25 into 26, you only had Malcolm from 25. Um, right. Like, yeah. Bring back Tommy Sheehan for winners at war. Right. Well, okay. Okay. That's fair. That's fair.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00] Um, but yeah, that's fair. Who did, but you had Nick, you had Nick Wilson. Um, yeah, that's, you know, well, I guess, well, then that, that worked out great. No, I'm just saying there's like, go back to the well on that one. You know, it's like, I, I have people like come up to me and like, you know, I'm the biggest survivor fan in the whole world. I loved it when Sarah won Pearl Island. I'm like, no, what? Like, no, like, you know, there's this, this is crazy, like recency bias and like the, in

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00] like the vast, like the vast viewers, you've got to like, you know, no doubt that.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01] But do you think that like the average survivor viewer is like so excited? Like, Hey, that's the, the big season 50 that they've been talking about. They announced season 50 during survivor 46. Everybody is so excited about this. Everybody just like a super pumped, like the average survivor fan on the street that, okay. Oh, great. Who are they bringing back? And I'm sure they're excited about some of the names that we're talking about.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01] But when we go through the list and it's so many people from the new era and not all of them necessarily were slam dunk people that you have to have them back. It feels like, Oh, but where's this person? Where was this person? Yeah.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00] No, look. And overall, like when I first saw the cast, I thought this, you know, but now every, like the negativity has gotten so much that I felt like I needed to, you know, disagree with that. It's gone too far. There are things to like, yes. Like, and like overall, this was not my ideal cast. Like when I think of the new era, people who I would like to see back, like, this is not them for the most part, you know? I mean, yeah. I mean, truly like, you know, I was so, the fact that they didn't cast Omer is astounding to me. You know, he was such a great character.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00] He gives great confessionals. He's like strategic and chaotic. Like to me, Omer is like a perfect character. Like why on earth would you not cast over? Same with Carolyn. Cast him in some blood on the clock tower videos. Yeah, exactly. Go now to, to, uh, so, but like, and the Carolyn too, like I literally thought that Carolyn was a hundred percent locked for this.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01] I mean, so did every single person in the world.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00] Yes. Um, the fact that she is not on this season is legitimately shocking to me. And then, you know, to your point, you know, it is like, I mean, I, I don't know, but

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01] there's 12 people from the new era.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00] Carolyn did not make the cut. Jesse did not make the cut. Right. Um, I, I see Jesse more than Omer, to be honest with you. Like I loved Jesse as a character, but like in terms of like, you know, yeah, I mean, I, I, but like, whatever, like both of them, I would have loved to have on this cast. Um, and then you look at, you know, the person from 41 to 44 is John. That seems like a crazy oversight. And you're like, but like this, I don't know, like there's no one from the twenties. How could they do that? Who from the twenties? Are we so sad? Not, I mean, Malcolm, like, again, like Malcolm has played a lot.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00] Like, do we need to see Malcolm again?

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01] Happy Maria, Steven. Come on.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_00] Same thing. Like, do you need to see Abby? We needed it. We needed it. No, we need her. She's coming. We need her on this podcast. This is not cutting to the bone. This is, this is Abby just being like, oh, you mess with me. You're dead. Like, we don't need people coming back and like doing their like greatest hits. You know, I want to see something new. That's what we need. We need greatest hits. Oh my gosh. Um, yeah. Bryce, actually someone in the chat is saying Bryce. That is actually no, I think Bryce would have been an amazing addition. Would have been very fun. Yes.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_00] Um, I, that, that, that, that is a big miss.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01] All right. Let's go through everybody here and then we can get into a little bit more, uh, details on everything. And so yesterday, Mike Bloom and I, if you missed it, we went through it. We played Jeff's introduction to everybody. Did you, what did you do? Did you get up early to watch the thing at eight 30 or just, uh, check it out now?

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Yeah. I watched it afterwards. Okay. All right. The chat is very anti me. I knew coming on here and being like, um, you know, coming out with like positivity. It's just the negativity is too much. Like, yeah, we'll take questions from the chat later. Don't get, you know, stay with me, but I know, but you know, like I, I do feel now I'm like, you know, it's like, I got a book to promote. I don't want to like piss people off.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01] No, that you look, if you want to complain, you have to buy Steven's book, go to Steven fishback.com. That's the rule. Okay. All right. Here we go. Uh, Steven, let's talk about our group of players. We have two from survivor 49. I mean, you address this, that it's basically, this is a survivor staple to have done it, uh, that way.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I'm not surprised. I would just be, I would be more shocked if they didn't have anyone from 49, like leading into the new season. And especially like, I think we all know Riz God is going to be like the new defining face of the franchise. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you think, I mean, he's called Riz God and he talks about himself as the Riz God. Like what else is there? I feel like if he just says that in every confessional I'm in.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01] Mm hmm. Yeah. All right. Uh, well, that's, uh, hilarious to hear you even say the word.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00] So, I mean, well, can you believe that for the next two seasons, we're going to have to be talking about someone called the Riz God? Like what the heck?

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01] I know. All right. Let's, let's go to then. All right. Survivor 48 people. Okay. Uh, here he is. Let's bring, uh, in Joseph.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. There was no way Joe was not. Well, I actually, I said that they should not cast Joe. You, you, you, you brought that into, you manifested.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. I feel like of the 48 people, I think that Joe is the person that I can see the most where Joe, that he just like had this moment that really transcended the game. Everybody. He really, I think was a figure that transcended Survivor. So I, uh, say I was not surprised by Joe. It is what it is. I just don't think that Joe, Joe's the type of player that on a returning player season, like a Rupert, there's one gear to Joe.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01] Like Joe's going to come into the new season and be Joe again, especially with zero distance in between this and the last time he played. So I think that Survivor is fine with that of like, Oh, like we love Joe, uh, just as he is. He doesn't need to have a different layer in the game, but to see Joe win this season would be wild.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00] Joe is the person I think is honestly one of the least likely people to win this season right now. I mean, I am slightly surprised that they brought him back. I really felt like we got like as much, and I hear you like he's extremely popular right now. Probably a lot of casual fans are really excited to see him, but I watched his interviews with you and Mike. Joe is not, does not give the pithy soundbite. He is very like, like he is not a good confessional giver as you can just tell from his interviews and the fact that he was like hugely under edited on the show.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_00] And I don't think that he's going to bring another strategic layer based on what we've seen. I feel like we saw like Joe in his pure form in 48. And I don't think like, to me, Joe is actually kind of a miss here because I get why they had to do it, but like, why not any, like it's such a competitive spot. Like there's so many other people I would like to have seen there.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01] I should have been on the amazing race. I think that they really missed the boat with that. I think that Joe without Eva, I think that Joe was like a protector. He's somebody like, I don't think that any of these people that are going to be on this season need protecting. They don't know. They aren't like looking for a father figure, like an older brother to protect them in the game. I think that all of these people are going to be like fiercely like independent and not in need of a Joe protector type.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00] Do you think he's going to be like really aggressively seeking out someone to protect? Do you think he is going to like try to protect Emily Flippen? That's, that's my dream partnership. Yeah.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00] But she'll play, she'll play to that. I mean, as we saw with Caleb, she will play to that.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01] Oh my God, Joe, I don't know what I'm doing. Like, oh yeah, I'm so distressed. Like, uh, Emily, trust me. I got you. I got you in this game, Emily Flippen.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I see Joe as like looking to bro down just like he did in 48. You know, he's going to be looking at Jonathan's, the coaches. Obviously he's got Kyle there. Um, you know, I think that, I mean, I can imagine like a, you know, obviously Colby, you know, that is like, that's the, that's what production wants to happen. Right? Like I remember JT and here's versus villains was like when JT teamed up with Colby and Tom, you know, they were like salivating. He said.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00] So I think that's probably what they want to happen.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01] Do you think it's going to be old school versus new school?

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00] You think they're going to do two tribes? They'll do three tribes of eight. I bet they have to mix it because the 40 was such like an, an, you know, an old school apocalypse. I think they've got to mix it up a little bit.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01] I feel like that I could see them doing like starting with two groups of 12 and then very quickly, like almost like in game changers, maybe after two votes go to three tribes of, uh, or maybe, you know, three tribes of, uh, seven and send somebody to like, uh, redemption Island or whatever.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00] But they love three tribes. I think they're going to start with three and then, you know, two tribes going to try the, the rumor is right. Like two tribes. I don't know where that rumor came from.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01] I mean, I think that people are just saying like, what, there's 12 people from the old school and 12 people from the new school. I don't know if it's necessarily like a rumor.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00] Oh no. But I mean that there, that the structure will be, um, both tribes going to travel council every week. Like three tribes.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01] Well, I think that what's happening is that people are doing math. There are 24 people in 26 days. So how do you make the math work? I wouldn't say it's a rumor.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. There's just a lot of, that's gotta be a lot of content. I gotta say. Um, yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01] But for some of these people, you know, you come back and it's like, you are like, you go out in like one of two tribal councils, like in a, an episode. Like, I feel like it could potentially be like, okay, you blink and they're gone off the show.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, that's it. And like, that's why when we get to Kyle, I'm going to say this thing. Well, let's say it now. Um, Hey Kyle, I feel bad for Kyle. Like Kyle has just one survivor. What an accomplishment. What? Like he should be like going to parties, like being like, you know, cock of the walk. Do people say that cock of the walk? You know, not that often. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, he, and instead he's going to go back on survivor and like, let this not be true. Touch wood.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00] He's going to be like 12th place on survivor 50. If he's lucky. If he's lucky. Yes. And I'm like, that's, that's, that's doing better than half the field, you know, to go from being like the winner and not even getting a chance to, you know, enjoy that. Like the likelihood that he wins again, very slim. Um, and, and so like then to suddenly like come back and like do middling and just be filled with regret. That kind of sucks.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01] Why couldn't we have left two weeks ago? But Steven, this was the one that I complained about the most on Wednesday. I said, this was my biggest problem in the whole cast was Kyle, who is a great guy. This is not an anti Kyle, the person take, but I felt like to have three people from survivor 48 and to bring back a winner, bring back somebody to bring back his secret number one and his like public, uh, number one that what are we even doing?

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01] What, what is like the upside here for Kyle? It feels like a wasted spot to me.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I kind of agree. I mean, maybe they're thinking that all of these old schoolers have so many connections to each other. You know, you look at that chain with like Sari and Ozzy who have played together so many times, but you know, the old schoolers are going to need every advantage they've got. I mean, you know, I do think Sari will probably do well because she always does well. Um, but you know, I, I do think I, I agree with you. This was, this was like my biggest complaint too. It was like these three just being like lifted up, you know, basically from the seats at the final four and like placed.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00] And it really felt, it did feel like an afterthought of, you know, we need, we need some new new school players. Um, there they are. So like I, this, especially when there's so many new school players who we, you know, do feel like deserving and we have wanted to see, I do think this was, this was a miss. Okay. But I'm excited. I think he'll be, he'll be fun. And Camilla. Camilla. And Camilla, Camilla actually, I'm like more excited for than Kyle. Like so much of what we've said over the past, um, you know, over the whole past season was how much better Camilla would do in a different season.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00] That wasn't all about like the strong bros being, you know, honor and integrity. I think it will be really fun to watch Camilla play in this season. That said, like if I had to choose between Camilla and Carolyn, you know, I probably would go

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01] Carolyn. Of the three of them, I think Camilla is the person that has the chance to potentially, uh, really play a very fun, exciting, chaotic game and, and bring a lot to the season. So I just think that Camilla based off of what we saw in survivor 48, where, and I, and I, I'm a huge Camilla fan. If we were going to say, if who were the biggest characters in survivor 48, if we were going

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01] to, if you were looking at the poster for survivor 48 and it was a movie, what billing on the poster would Camilla be? Yeah. No, I mean, she's like, would she be the fifth lead, the sixth lead?

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00] Right.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_01] So we've got like, you've got like, obviously Joe, Kyle, Kyle, whatever, like, uh, Eva, Eva, whatever. Right.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00] And then, so Camilla's probably like, uh, yeah, David, David and Camilla also featuring David and Camilla. Yeah. But here's what I like about Camilla. And I, cause I agree with you, but I think what Camilla brings is like a different type of play style. And what I see in this cast is a lot of different play styles that they've cast. Like if you cast Carolyn here, like, and who I, again, like things should have been cast. Like, you know, Camilla's kind of like the scrappy underdog schemer type, you know, there aren't actually a lot of those on in this group.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00] You know, I know that new era survivor is all scrappy underdog schemers, but like there aren't too many of those looking at this, at this, uh, you know, you got maybe like Aubrey is that archetype, like Emily a little bit. Um, but not, you know, even who else, who else is that like make maybe Charlie, I guess like, but who else?

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. I feel like as, um, if we're looking for to replace her with another woman from the new era, like, I think that, uh, you, I mean, I don't know if you want it like Rachel in that spot, but it's like, to me, it's just like, this is not, if we were looking, if we're talking about the, like the survive, it's a survivor 50, the survivor 50, like Camilla, Camilla had a nice run in survivor 48.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely. Okay. Yes. It's definitely going to be the one of the ones where you are like, you're looking back and are like, how did that happen? Or, you know, she's gonna, she's gonna win. Yeah.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01] Look, I, I, this is not anything about like, I think she could be, I actually, I think that there's a chance she ends up being a very early boot where they break up Kyle and Camilla and they choose to keep the challenge strength in Kyle. And I do think that that could be a very, I'm like, I think Kyle should fall on his sword. Cause he owes one to Camilla if that's going to happen. But that being said, uh, I would love to see her do well in the game because I think she is a very fun player to watch, but I just think that this was survivor 50.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, yes. But again, like looking at the group of play styles, it's just like, I think it's going to be a really fun. I think it's going to be a really fun season. I don't want to be toxically optimistic here, but, um, okay. Yeah. All right. Um, we have Jenna, you're going to, you're going to all regret chat. You're going to regret. Here's the thing.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01] All this is being recorded. So when they do well and these people become like, and the same people that are booing you

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_00] are standing queen Camilla, greatest player of all time. Nobody's going to care. They're going to be like, Oh, you were wrong then for reasons. And you know, you're wrong now for other reasons. Yeah.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01] I think that's going to be a star after she played, it'll be interesting to see what Genevieve is going to be able to do here. I, uh, look, I guess we're going to, if we're going to have the new, new era people, I thought we could do worse than Genevieve, who I think will be, uh, very, very fun to watch play. I think she might have a hard time finding her footing.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_00] Genevieve, I think is. Yeah. Agreed. Like this is one of the ones that I think everyone sort of agrees is a great choice from the new era. She was a super fun contestant. She's got great energy, a lot of positivity. Like when you're bringing back people from this group, Genevieve's and, you know, she was strategic. She, she played well, you know, she was like a joy to watch. Like I, like nobody is complaining about, about, oh, there probably are people, but like I'm not, nobody I know.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01] I think people are complaining like, Oh, there's so too many people from the new era. Did you need Genevieve right away? Uh, but Steven, I compared her yesterday to, I thought she might have a run like Kim Spradlin in winners at war where everybody's kind of afraid to get close to her. And then she like ends up going out around like eighth place, but never really finding her people.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I don't know though, because she's so charming, you know, like she's just got like, and she's very, very smart. She's played clock tower with her. She's like an absolute natural at clock tower. Um, and that's, that's, that's the bar. That's the standard, but I don't know, but I don't think she's, but I don't think she's in some ways those, those disadvantages could be advantages for her where she is well liked, but she doesn't feel like, Oh gosh, we've got to get rid of her. She's not like Camilla who we just had saying about how she'd love to lie to people and throw them under the bus.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00] You know, Genevieve like seems just like a nice Canadian lady, you know? Um, and she's not someone like, Oh, we got to get rid of those devious old schoolers. Cause they're all connected or they're got to get rid of those 48ers. Like there's no reason out of the gate to target Genevieve.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01] Okay.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00] We got Charlie. Oh, like the, the, should we talk about like the people who are not here? Like, are we surprised that Andy is not here from 47?

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01] Cause I was very surprised to not have Andy here. I feel like that Andy, uh, coming out of his season, I feel like the operation Italy, he, uh, played so hard. He had such a story arc. I mean, I feel like that there's not a lot of people on the show where that they love that they have an arc of like where they started to where they went, but then also to have the mind to make a big move.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01] And then Andy, I felt like that you really had a perfect person in that. So I do feel like, uh, that it was an oversight not to have Andy.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I honestly like even just doing a one-to-one, I actually think Andy would be a better cast here than Charlie, Charlie, whom I loved, um, and do want to see back and think should come back in a new era season. Um, but well, first of all, there's just something a little on the nose. Like if I had to choose like one, you know, spiky haired white guy to be on the new this season, it's you Rob, it's you. So we're not even the same, uh, archetype. You're both spiky haired and you've been working on your grip strength.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02] That's true.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I get that. Yeah. So, you know, you both have sort of floral shirts. Yeah.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01] I am worried about Charlie. I think that he is seen as a, probably a big threat. And so, uh, I think that Charlie is a super nice guy. I hope he does well. I would have rather seen him on a new era all-stars than a survivor 50 spot, but, uh, can't complain too much about Charlie.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a good player, a good player. Um, yes. But again, like this is, this is where it gets, and this is like the, the, the big trio of 46ers. Um, you know, you start to wonder why did we not have Shan, you know, like, or why did we not have Omer? Um, so you're, okay. So Tiffany is next. Okay.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01] Here's Tiffany. I'll ask you the same question. Okay. Survivor 46 poster. Okay. The movie of survivor 46 in, in what order is Tiffany Nicole Irvin billed on the survivor 46 poster?

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, you know, fifth, we got, you know, who's, who's up there. It's starring Kenzie Q, starring Q. So Q is the top billing. Okay. Then you've got like Kenzie, Charlie and Maria. Mm-hmm. Yeah. People get mad when I say Maria. You can't even say Maria. You can't even say Maria. You start to frown. Well, yeah, I don't know. I said Maria, you started frowning. I didn't. I don't care. I thought Maria did great. Um, yeah, the, um, yeah, no, I agree with you, but I also think this is someone who would

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00] come back in a new era, all stars and would be a very fun. She would be.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01] I think my winner pick in a new era, all stars. I just don't know why we had to rush to, you know, that. But, and I really like Tiffany had a great podcast with her, but she wasn't going anywhere. Like you could, if you, if you waited two years and brought her back for a new era,

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00] all stars, uh, I would be championing it. Yeah. But I think some of it, I think some of it with some of these groups is like, they want groups to bounce off each other. Right? Like you want people out there who have history. So you get Tiffany and Q on, you know, together. Like, are they, are they on a, on a tribe together? Are they opposing each other? Are people worried about what happens when they come back to the merge? You know, it's the same thing with that three from 48, like having people grouped together who have history as a whole nother layer of tension.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_00] So, you know, you're bringing Q back, right? So who are we bringing back with Q? And then it's like, is it, you know, Tiffany is like a really good choice for that. But this is a fair point.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01] And I actually made this same point to a friend of mine who said like, are we worried Q won't have people to fight with on the show?

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00] But I think like, you know, oh my gosh, you know, you got me last time Q. You're not going to do it again, but you're the only person I know out here. Like that's a fun dynamic. I mean, you know, in Cambodia, it was like Spencer and Cass, you know, like you, you want to see those pairs. And I think just like that adds a lot to the fun of these returning player seasons. If it's just like random guy, you know, I guess Jonathan, it's like, and Jonathan, like his shtick isn't even like his alliances. His shtick is just being like big and strong. Like Jonathan's going to do his thing.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_00] But like, it's almost like casting. You don't want to cast Omer almost without Marianne, you know, and they got to bring those but those two back together. And I think that's probably part of this. Like they're bringing Q back. So they got to bring back someone for him to bounce off of.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. All right. Then there's Q. No complaints here. Universally 100% approval rating for Q.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00] Anything else you want to say about Q? No, he was the number one person who from new era that I thought would be brought back. Like him and Carolyn were top two. So I was wrong 50%. But Q is like, it's felt like the biggest lot.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01] I mean, Gabe asked the question. Gabe said in the opening of Survivor 47 or like, or in the tease for Survivor 47, I'm going to be on the new era of Mount Rushmore. And so we asked the question at the time, well, who is on the new era of Mount Rushmore? And I think for me, I said, okay, well, we have Q, Carolyn, Jesse. And then I think the fourth spot is maybe up for debate.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01] But now I think that the entire Mount Rushmore now needs to be. Yeah. Yeah. Open it up. Who is it now? Kyle and Joe and Camilla?

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00] Oh, yeah. Do you think they cast Aubrey because Q is going to be there?

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_01] I don't think so. I mean, we'll get to Aubrey when we get there. But I think that that is just like a, you know, a little like coincidence. I don't think that it was like Q is like ranting about Aubrey when he's like meeting with the producers.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. But you know, they've got that clip ready. They're like, play the clip, play the clip. You know, they're ready.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01] It will be in an episode for sure. But we'll see. Okay. All right. And then Emily Flippen is here.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. The only person from 45. Oh, sorry. That's not true at all. Dee's here. One of the few people from 45. Emily is great. I'm really, really, really excited to see Emily play. Emily does this thing in Clock Tower that I think, and that she, we saw her doing it. I didn't realize it at the time, but she does. She does. She did it in 45 where she's like, I don't know what's happening. I'm just a do-do. I'm just so confused.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01] I don't know anything.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_00] I think people will buy it. Like she is so effing smart. I'm so nervous. Oh my God. Why am I here? And yet she plays it down so well that even like literally, you know, watch our latest Clock Tower episode. Plug. Watch our latest Clock Tower episode. Like you buy it. Like even knowing she's doing it, you still get misted by it. She is so good at that act that, you know, you can see the tokens, Rob. You've got an unfair advantage. And then she's so strategic.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00] I did a panel with her at Clock Tower Con and we were talking about like, is there any morality when you go out and play these shows? And of course, I being, you know, a sad or like a soft, you know, it's not sad, but a soft. Yeah.

[00:40:54] Exactly.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00] That actually is a sort of classic audience. You know, a soft hearted, like middle-aged dad. I was like, well, of course you've got to like take people's feelings into account. And while you do have to make tough decisions, like you have to, I do think you need to personally reckon with it. And she's like, no, you cut throats, screw them all. You know, you know, death to those around me. I think Emily is going to go in with like severely underestimated. And I think she's going to like wreak a trail of destruction. Oh, you think severely underestimated? Yeah. Cause like people, people don't remember Emily necessarily as like, she, she voted out Bruce.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00] You know, nobody thinks of Emily as, you know, some like huge player. And I think people don't, you know, they remember her like being somewhat like obstreperous in the opening. And they remember her like, you know, eventually finding her way and then having like a growth moment deciding she wanted to get married. Um, but like, nobody thinks of her like, Oh, that, that, you know, that's, that's the cutthroat person.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. Well, I think that she is going to be very closely connected to, uh, the next person, uh, in the slideshow here. Another person that I feel like, um, great winner, but when you brought into winners, I really just feel like you completely just, uh, lost the plot where we, it was, it was no winners. It was no winners.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01] Why did we, why did we bring in winners at the last second?

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_00] But this is what I'm talking about.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01] And if so, then where are we like, where are some of these other winners? Like I feel like there would have been a lot of, a lot of other winners we would have had. Right.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, I hear you that, that it makes it feel kind of random. Like, why do you not have some of like, you know, why do you not have Tony, you know, or Sandra? Yeah. I mean, like, who would be the winners? Why don't you ask? Rizkod will be there. Where's Earl? Yeah. Yeah. Earl actually would be a good one. Um, Earl actually would be a really good one, but, but, um, you know, maybe we do have three winners. Like maybe it's one winner per tribe. Um, perhaps. Yeah. Maybe I just like jam, jam.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00] Someone, someone has come, um, you know, um, cryoza. Jam, jam is one of like my big oversights too. I think jam, jam is like not having jam, jam is a big miss. I feel like jam, jam was such a fun, big character, a great player. He was like, just like a joy to watch, joy to watch him play. Um, I feel like he would be like perfect for this, like whole idea of it being a celebration. Um, you know, for like, for them looking for like people, players who were like positive and enthusiastic. I feel like jam, jam, like not, not being here as a miss that of course has nothing to do

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_00] with T, T who's like arguably one of the best players of the new era. Uh, and then most people say like, if there's a best player in the new era, like D is up there, right? People are saying D, um, is probably one of like the one or two, one or two of the best. So why wouldn't you bring back one or two of that, that, that person?

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know what else I could say about this.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_00] Uh, is D going to do good? Is she going to do well?

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01] I think it really comes down to what the tribe, uh, breakdown is. Cause I could see there being some sort of like anti winner, uh, sentiment, but I think that if it ends up being all new versus old, uh, then I kind of feel like the D and Kyle are going to need to work together and have each other's back. And I wonder maybe if this could be more bad news for Camilla where that, okay, so there's me, we got to break up Kyle and Camilla somehow.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01] And also then it's like, well, D's like, well, I don't want Kyle to go. Cause I want to keep him. And then Camilla ends up sort of like being scapegoated in that Kyle ends up being saved and Camilla ends up being the person who, well, she's not really helping us in the challenges and that they end up looking at her as a potential first boot.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, the anti winner thing, that's something, I mean, obviously Jenna Lewis is going to be there. Yes. Um, who really created that, but I don't feel like the players that's, you know, that's your all-stars talking Rob. Um, I don't feel like the players feel that way anymore. Do they, has there ever been like, you know, I mean, nobody really cared in, I don't know, some other season. Yeah. I kind of feel like they care.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01] I feel like the people are still a little, a little salty about, you know, they'll get, they they've won already. And if, if not even just for like, Hey, I'm jealous of their money. It's like, they're a dangerous player.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. But if you're thinking like, if other people are going to be mad at that, isn't that the kind of person you want to bring with you to the end?

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01] And I'll tell you what, that Joe's hot take on survivor 48, they asked like a, and I don't know if we have a photo of this, that, uh, he said that, you know, D's win was not that good. I feel like that, uh, that there could be some feuding between D and Joe.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00] It's funny that then like the exact same, like basically he got deed. In the finale of, uh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01] All right. And then also we have Jonathan and all right, I'm going to say something that this is okay. Maybe you could push back on me and this is going to be a controversial take. I think that if you know, I feel like to your point that you've been saying about how like, Hey, all these people watch the show, the people on the street don't really know who's going on. And I think that while the fans that are probably in the chat, maybe, uh, like what we're, we're

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01] very, whatever on Jonathan, I think he made a big impression on the TV audience. And I think that there will be a lot of viewers of the show that will be excited to see Jonathan

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00] back. Hey, listen, I'm one of them. You know me. I love a giant dude. Like I am actually excited about Jonathan. Um, I thought, I mean, he just like, you know, some of the appeal of survivor is just the pure, you know, physicality of it. It's like stepping into the wild and doing these crazy things. And I think it's fun to have players who embody that aspect of the game. And Jonathan is obviously one of them. You have, um, Ozzy, you know, here, who's one of them.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_00] Colby, who at one point was one of them in coach who deludes himself into thinking he's one of them. So I feel like there is a lot of like fun and intrigue here for a character like Jonathan to, you know, I'm excited to have different play styles basically.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. And that's not a Rob Sestronino pick in that I need Jonathan on the season, but it is a Rob Sestronino call from go back to a year ago when we did the, uh, draft the cast of survivor 50. And I drafted Jonathan because I said, they love this guy. He will be back.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, and, and like, he's too, like kind of what I was saying about you want people who can bounce off of each other with Jonathan. You don't really need that. It's not like Jonathan needs Mike around to be Jonathan. You know, he doesn't need Omer around to be Jonathan. Like his Jonathan-ness is entirely self-contained.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01] Let's go to the old era. Okay. Yes. Yes. Okay. I know you are stoked for Rick Devins.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_00] I am stoked for Rick Devins. And this is one of the ones, you know, this is to me like the no brainer, right? Like this is the guy, like one of these got you're narrowing your eyes. Really? Wait, let me, well, okay. First of all, like Rick was one of the biggest characters of the thirties. Right. And in that era, in that like now what is character characterizes old school era, um, that like never got a chance to come back to me. Rick has always been, you know, a big, big survivor character.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_00] Like, and when we're talking about bringing out those people from the first 40 seasons who never got their shot at an all-star game to me, Rick is a no brainer. He was super, super, super funny. I thought, um, he remains super funny and he played a great game. He like had, you know, he played like a really good, fun, strategic game. It had like big moments. Like what do you, what is not to like, there was a lot of hostility to Rick as a player because I think people just assumed he was going to win. And I think people were like getting tired of all the Rick in their face.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_00] Um, but ultimately he didn't win. And I'm just like really, really psyched for him. And also he's like a great human being and I'm happy for him.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. I'm happy for him. I think it's fine to have Rick Devins. I feel like that if you didn't have Rick Devins, I don't think that there would be people out with pitchforks. Like what, where is Rick Devins? Why isn't he on this cast? I think that probably if there was an all-star season before this, I think he should have been on it, but I feel like that it, I, I think it would have been fine either way. So I'm kind of like indifferent on the Rick Devins pick.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01] It doesn't, uh, it doesn't bother me, but I also think that it wasn't a must have.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00] See, but I, I, to me, it's like, if you're going to bring back people from that late thirties era, like it's like Rick, you know, and then Christian Angelina, like that's it. Like who else, who else like needs to come back from that era? And obviously I'm super excited about Mike, but yeah, Dom, Dom would also be a really good one to have. Dom, Dom is an oversight. That's true.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. Okay.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_00] All right. Then Mike white. Yeah. Um, obviously this is going to be really fun. You know, I think that, you know, it's been said that Mike is probably the favorite to win this season right now. Um, you know, because obviously everyone, like we've made, everyone has made the joke about like, well, you know, you are going to want to align with Mike because you want to, you know, for that, for that white Lotus cameo. And that's true. But even more than like aligning with him, I feel like is that jury vote at the end where

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_00] like everyone, you know, when you're on the jury, you're like, I hate all these people. I don't want to vote for any of them. Like, why would I choose any of these three people? Now you have, if Mike is there, now you actually have an incentive to vote for one of them. You're like, if I vote for Camilla, she's not going to cast me on her seat on her series. Yeah. But like, I'm incentivized to vote for Mike to win here. Um, and so I think like, if Mike is at the end, like again, and who's cutting him, right? Then, then people are going to choose him to win.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01] I just wonder if like, that's how we think it's all going to go. And I feel like we're always so wrong on how it's all going to go. Like we did not, if we would have done this right before, like when they left for winners at war, it was all right, Tony, no chance that, uh, nobody's letting him get close to the end. So we, we just don't know, uh, sure on paper, uh, that's going to be the case, but like at some point, you know, the players might say like, okay, well, we got to stop Mike white while we can. And so maybe they end up doing that.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01] So, uh, that what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Who knows how it will actually play out?

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_00] Who is the person though? Like, I think like, you know, probably the correct strategy is to blindside him early before he can get his hooks into other people. I can see that from like Emily just being as, you know, push back on that.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01] Uh, I can see that. Uh, Emily, Jenna Lewis, I think also, uh, could be unimpressed. I think Sari is an interesting one to watch with Mike white. Like does, does Sari covet being on the white Lotus? Sari who hates television.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_00] We know she hates to be on TV. Yeah. I think that that's also an interesting one. Yeah. Um, that is an interesting one. I agree with you, but she might see the downside to Mike being there at the end. Um, so I, I don't know. I'm excited for Mike. Mike was very fun as a character. In addition to obviously the white Lotus stuff, like he was hilarious. He had great confessionals.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01] Look, um, if Mike wants to come back for survivor 50, you let Mike white come back for survivor 50. You know what that it is what it is. And I'm excited to see him. Okay. All right. Angelina again, uh, slam dunk. This is number one.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_00] They, they, they, they, they, they, Angelina at the top, like mid thirties. Like this is number one. Okay. I mean, I don't know if there's anything else, uh, to say. Yeah. Like, do you, if you, so I saw her post on Instagram, like a montage of all of the jackets that she is planning to bring with her. Surely as a, as like a wardrobe consultant, your job is to make sure Angelina does not have a jacket. You think so? I think they give them a lot of jackets now. Yeah. Um, I don't know. Angelina was great because she was not self-aware, right?

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_00] Like that's what was really fun about Angelina. It was like, she would say these extremely unself-aware things. So I think the upside to Angelina is that she is just innately that way. And we'll bring that. I think the downside might be like coach in his like later incarnations where like he was performing coach more than he was being himself. Like in my mind, like a lot of people, I mean, I loved, uh, here's versus villains coach. Like there's a lot of great moments there, but it's obvious like he's doing the shtick whereas token change era coach, you know, he was being coach.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_00] And that was what was, that was just like sublime, you know, whereas it became kind of like second tier of that.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01] It'll be interesting to see if it still works as a character where I feel like that they, when we're, uh, I was talking about this recently in terms of coach and his original run in token genes that they could edit somebody to be a little bit of a caricature at that point in time. Whereas that is really not the editing style of the show in the new era. So it will be interesting to see how Angelina is portrayed.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_00] Um, yeah, yeah, that's, that's absolutely correct. So I'm trying to think like, have they gone goofy on anybody in the, like the last role

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01] I think might've been the one person.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. And you know, but they're, they're doing more like fun editorial stuff, but you're right. They're not like clowning people.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_01] Like, yeah. Although I do, which I support by the way. Yeah. I do think that Mike is also going to be there to wind her up at time. So, uh, we'll see. I think that he will help get the best out of Angelina.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, that will be really fun. So do you cast Mike and Angelina on the same tribe or yes. Right. Cause you want to see them. Yeah. I think so too. Okay.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_01] All right. And then we have also our friend Christian Hubicki, a no brainer.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. No brainer. A big brainer. Big brainer. Christian, obviously someone who I'm sure was just like instant call, you know, top list for this season. Someone who was such a huge character on his show. I really like the perfect character to be on David versus Goliath. He just like felt like the quintessential, you know, embodiment of, of the theme of that, like Christian versus John Hennigan was David versus Goliath. Um, but yeah, like a great guy, like very astute survivor, um, you know, survivor instincts

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_00] and, and, and, um, strategic reads, you know, also like a very sincere guy in a way. Like he's like a really, really very sweet guy, kind guy. Like in this way, like I'm worried about my clock tower alliance with like Christian and Emily, because like, I think Christian will get the short end of that story. Christian will like believe that he has a real friendship with Emily and Emily will, will cut him. How do you think he's going to do Steven? I think people, especially new era people will want to work with Christian because they like him, you know, like they, he's like a prototype of the new era nerd, right?

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_00] Like we're all nerds now, but you know, back then Christian was like a super nerd. I think he will, um, and I don't think he will have the same huge threat level that he did in David versus Goliath where like, he was like super David, you don't let like David get to the end of David versus Goliath. Yeah. I'm worried for him.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. I'm worried. Uh, I don't know if like, uh, I don't know if, uh, that he's Jenna Lewis's cup of tea. I don't know if he's Colby's cup of tea. I don't know if he's Ceres cup of tea coach, uh, that I, he has so much.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_00] Definitely coach coach coaches is going to be a fan. Oh, I will talk about this. I think coach is going to put on a show and I think like Christian is going to be like Christian is an archetype. And I think coach is going to want like, coach is going to be like next level theater

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01] coach theater, you know, Ozzy's cup of tea. I don't know. So I just feel like that I'm more worried about him from some of these old school players who might be looking at him as sort of like the math guy, he's got it all figured out. And I think that just because he knows math doesn't necessarily mean he's sneaky. And I think that he could be, uh, maybe somebody who ends up getting some, uh, target, uh, thrown his way. Maybe, you know, Mike and Angelina will go to bat for him.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, he is not sneaky. That, that is which people probably don't realize. I think you're right. Like he has the downside of seeming strategic without, and he's very like thoughtful and strategic, but he's not like, I don't think he's devious or sneaky. You know, he's like too earnest maybe. Yeah. Sincere. Right. Yeah. So not a great, yeah. You need to be a sociopath for survival. All right. And that's why Emily Flippen is going to take it. All right. We've got a Chrissy Hoffbeck. Yeah. Excited to see Chrissy back.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_00] Um, very, you know, she was, had a great run on her first season and, you know, did amazingly in the immunity challenges, you know, really kind of like put the lie to the sort of older woman, um, you sort of like, you know, I think there are, there's been a lot, there had been and remained to have been like a lot of recent seasons where the sort of that the older woman archetype had kind of like been dismissed in the finals. And the fact that she was right there and like, you know, getting votes and highly competitive to win. And many believe should have won, you know, really speaks to her being a great, a great

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_00] cast.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01] To me, the Chrissy pick is like in the same category as like Rick where I'm not mad at it and I'm happy for Chrissy. But if Chrissy Hoffbeck was not on the survivor 50 cast, I do not think that there would be a lot of protest of what survivor 50, no Chrissy.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_00] What the hell? But then who are these people? You're like, what about these people who this was their last chance? Like Chrissy is that person. Like who are these people other than Sean Rector, who you're referring to, who they didn't cast?

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01] I think I would have rather seen Jerry.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_00] Really? Jerry for the fourth time who like brought like very little to the table in Heroes vs. Villains? Like Chrissy's gonna like- She almost won the game! She got a, she got almost, she got like a one day short of what Chrissy did. She, but she wasn't like driving that season in the way that Chrissy was. Like Chrissy was like one of the- Chrissy was driving the season? Yes! With her alliance with Ryan was one of like the biggest, you know, strategic duos of that whole season. I mean, Ben also like hugely influential there. People, you know, underestimate Ben's game in that season.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_00] But like, yeah, Chrissy and Ryan were like kind of running that season. Chrissy had like a dominant immunity challenge. They didn't like her! That's why she didn't win! Yeah, but like that's, you know, likability. That's a real, that's a third rail. I think like, and Jerry is so likable. You're like, replace her with Jerry who we've seen three times. Where's Amanda? Who like was like, yeah. Also who we saw three times. Like, I'm much more excited to see Chrissy play a second time. I'm worried about Chrissy. I'm bummed to not see Amanda.

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_00] But like, I do not need to see Jerry X4. Like, you know, we, I feel like she didn't, she didn't bring that much to the table the last time we saw her. Who didn't?

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01] Jerry! Jerry. Yeah. I just feel, I'm, I'm sort of worried about Chrissy. I feel like that she doesn't have a ton of social connections to this group. And I feel like that she is going to be an early boot on this season. So I'm happy for Chrissy that she got back and she has a great story. And so like, again, happy for Chrissy personally. I just feel like that, uh, we get, we got six women from pre-Survivor 40 to see one more time.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01] Like Chrissy was not like, like in my top 20 of people.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_00] But then who are they? You're, you're giving me Jerry and Amanda. I can't buy guys. Like, give me someone, you know, give me someone like fresh, you know, like I can't, I can't, I mean, look, it sounds like that's a fundamental issue difference, right? Like you want these boring five-time players to like trot out the same garbage we've seen again and again. I want fresh, this is like one of like, this is in the hands of the fans. Do you want to see the same shtick you've seen again and again or new fresh players who have something to prove and are willing to fight for it all?

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_00] What's Chrissy's best TV moment? One of those challenge wins, you know, something with the idol doesn't, wasn't worth it like digging for an idol or something. There was something where they were digging.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01] She's wrestle. I think the wrestling for an idol.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. That was a big moment. She's going to wrestle for it. And she's charming. She's lovely. She's lovely. People didn't like her. That's on them. That's on those people.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01] All right.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_00] Then Aubrey Bracco. Yeah. I am of two minds about Aubrey. I think that it's great that they are bringing a range of archetypes back, but I, you know, and it's fun. I think it shall be fun, but like, she's kind of my, like, do I need to see Aubrey times four? Like, again, like, that's sort of like my benchmark. Like, I would rather see Sean Rector over Aubrey. I know that they're not competing with the same spot.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. I, I do feel like that Aubrey, I do think we've seen it. And the difference between like an Aubrey and say like Amanda, it's like Aubrey played like three times in a very short period of time, but that was only like six years ago. Like, it wasn't like that. That was 15 years ago since we've seen Aubrey. So I feel like we've barely had a chance to seriously miss Aubrey since the last time she went back. And so here she is.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_01] And so I know some people are really big Aubrey heads and Aubrey fans, so I'm happy for them. But I mean, this was supposed to be Amanda, right?

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I think, you know, we kind of like missed the people they didn't cast. I mean, we've sort of been talking about them along the way. Them not casting Shan, I think is crazy. I know that Shan, like, like post show, there was like some drama around Shan, but in 41, we were talking about how Shan was one of the biggest character strategists they'd ever had. And such a big defining player of this whole new era.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_00] Like if I want, like for that kind of strategist role, I kind of would rather see Shan here. Then you can like take one of the other old school spots that we don't like, you know, give it, you know, give, give someone else's spot from the old school to Sean. Like you can do a whole mix up here. But I feel like I would rather have Shan than Aubrey.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_01] Well, I think that it's probably Shan over Tiffany. If we're going to like be trying to like sub somebody out.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_00] Well, okay. Then Shan over Tiffany. I mean, I think Shan was such a big character. And, you know, she didn't even have like the Shantham. They gave her like a, like a custom, you know, a custom theme song. You know, the fact that she was not, she's not here, I feel like is a miss. But again, who knows what Shan is like now? Obviously I've heard, I mean, I just hear like third, you know, third degree rumors, you know, that, that like maybe people didn't like her as much post show.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. All right. Coach is here. Steven, your great friend. Coach is back. And I'm excited for coach 4.0.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, I am actually like, in terms of like the three time players, I'm probably most, most excited for coach. I think coach is really going to put on a show. I think that, you know, coach has not played for 27 seasons. You know, he played three times back to back. He played 18, 20 and 23. That's a span of like, what, like three years. And now, so he has had a lot of time, a lot of time to come up with new quotes, you know, new styles, new crazy things to say. And I'm sure every night before he goes to sleep, he's been like, if I were on survivor

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00] now, here's what I would do with my jacket. Oh, give it to give it. Oh my God, a jacket. He's got a jacket. Someone needs a jacket. This is an opportunity. I do think that coach is going to be very fun. I think coach will be theatrical in a really fun way. Coach is also a dad now. And so coach has maybe like, you know, maybe a little more authenticity to him. And I think that that's why I think coach will vibe well with a player like Christian. I think he's going to be really like going full, full coach in a way that will be enjoyable to watch.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. You said he's going to put on a show. Uh, any other like, um, thoughts on how he'll play the game?

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_00] I do think he will probably. So I think he's going to play up like some of the like dragon slayer stuff. I think he's going to go hard into that. Um, I do think that there's probably, he will probably look to bond with, you know, some of those dudes. Um, you know, but coach is also like fundamentally kind of a nerd. And so I think he will vibe with Christian and Rick, you know, coach and Rick, I could actually see like bouncing off each other extremely well.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_01] Rick is a super easy guy to get along with.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, so I, I am kind of excited for like older coach coming in, you know, really fun to see the coach Aussie rivalry, right? Like last time coach one, I think you got to put them in some relationship again. Uh, yeah.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_01] And coach does not love Aussie.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, I'm sure Aussie doesn't love coach, you know, like I'm sure there's like some fun antagonism there that we can, that we'll watch play out. And again, like this is why like having relationships is fun. Like I'm excited to see coach Aussie, you know, that's going to be great.

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_01] All right. We've got now Aussie. Speaking of. Yeah. Who do you think goes further? Coach or Aussie? If you had, uh, the call it in the air. I think coach. Do you think anything Aussie? I think that coach is maybe a little bit more that people look at him as a he's harmless. What is he doing? Like, I think if he's not going to take the reins like he did in South Pacific, like,

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01] I think that this probably could be a little bit more like coach in heroes versus villains. I don't know if who the Boston Rob is on, uh, like if it is a tribe of the returning fairs. I don't know who coach follows around like a Boston Rob, but I think that that was interesting to see him sort of like, I have feeling like he was sort of like second in command to Boston Rob's leadership. It won't be Oz. He won't be following Aussie around, but I wonder who that person is.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01] Who's sort of like the person who's taking charge among the old school players. If it is divided that way.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, I could see him connecting with, you know, a Jonathan or a Joe, you know, he obviously loves that. I mean, honestly, even like a Q and coach, like, can you imagine the lunacy of a Q coach alliance? Like that would be very, I could see him following Q. Yeah. Um, I could see, yeah, that would be a very fun duo is Q and coach. Yeah. Okay.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_01] So here's Ozzie. And how do you think Ozzie for 5.0 is going to be?

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I mean, where was Ozzie in game changers? He kind of like, what happened with him? I don't even remember.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_01] He really had nothing in game changers. And it wasn't necessarily like, uh, that he just came out and flopped. Like he kind of came out and was, uh, largely unmemorable.

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, that was sort of it. And I think like Ozzie, you know, does he have that drive anymore to kill it out there? And that's what I, you know, that's what I think is like fun about a lot. I heard the drive is still strong with Ozzie. Yeah. But do you want to sleep next to him? Um, do you, um, no, I mean, I don't know. He's probably a nice, nice gentleman. Um, yeah. Had worse. Yeah. Um, I don't know.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_00] I think it's always fun to see Ozzie and I, it'll be fun to see like Ozzie and like competing with Jonathan. Mm-hmm.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. I mean, I feel like that there's sort of like different beasts of, uh, Ozzie versus Jonathan.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. But that's sort of like the old school, um, that's sort of the old school challenge beast versus like the new school challenge beast. And again, like that's what, like, that's what excites me about this cast is like all of the different, like little like connections, like the neurons, the dendrites, you know, the spanning the different, different senses. Okay.

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_01] All right. There's Ozzie and we've got Sari.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, Sari, obviously. So Sari is one of the ones where I was like, when I first heard Sari and again, like this was back in the day when we thought it was all going to be new school and we were excited about that. Now we're not allowed to even pretend that that existed online. Um, but I was like, Oh gosh, we really need to see Sari again. Now I'm actually pretty excited for Sari to be honest. Like I've come around, uh, podcast. Yeah, no, no. Just over the, like the last week, you know, now that I feel like a duty to defend everything about this. No, no, no. No, no. Truly.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_00] Like I do think it'll be fun when it felt like, Oh my gosh, there's like season of new era legends is kind of getting replaced with these old school players. I felt sad about that. You were sad that there wasn't enough new era at one point. Well, there was a point when a lot of people felt that way. I, we were happy. No, people were complaining about it. Complaining. There was a lot of complaining at the time, Rob, you maybe missed the complaining, but when they first announced that they were going to be bringing back, you know, people like

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_00] Sari and maybe it was like, I think there was like some interview with poverty. People were like, Oh my gosh, like me, me people. And like a lot of people like were responding to that. Like, yes. Like, do we really need to see four timers? Like, let's bring out Carolyn. Let's bring out Jesse. You know, why do we have to see four timers? But now that it's such a hodgepodge, you know, we don't have Carolyn or Jesse. I'm excited for Sari. You know, I think it will be fun to see her work. But Sari didn't take Carolyn's spot. No, but I mean, just the idea of there was a moment in time when it seemed like, you know,

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_00] because of all some things that Jeff had said.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_01] Yes. You know, I feel you.

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_00] You'll have erased this from your memories.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_01] There was a moment in time where people were like, Hey, it's sounding like it is might only be three or four people from the new era in season 50.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_00] No, but before that, it was like, first there was a time when everyone thought it was going to be all new era people. Right. And then we were like, Oh, wait a second. I'm hearing Jeff said it will be people prior to season 40.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_01] People from the past. Right.

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_00] So we thought it was going to be like mostly new era, but with like Rick and Angelina. And then we were suddenly hearing about Sari and people reacted badly to that. You guys don't remember this, but it happened. I swear it happened. This is not a Kazam moment. Or what is the, what is, what is it called? Where you like believe something was like Berenstain Bears. The Mandela effect. Mandela effect. This is not a Mandela effect. Like this really happened where people were disappointed about, you know, these four or five times players instead of like hoping that the season was just four or five time players.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. Okay. Well, Sari is back. Uh, first we will see a Sari on Australia versus the world between now and then.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_00] Um, yeah. I mean, it's a lot of Sari, but again, like this will be fun. I think, you know, Sari is great. She's always great TV. Uh, she always has a lot to bring to the season and I do think it will be fun to watch her play. Okay. All right. Stephanie LaGarosa Kendrick. Where are you on Stephanie? Um, I am pro Stephanie. Okay. Yeah. I think it'll like, she's someone to like who we have not seen for a very long time. Right. A four timer. Big, big legend in the game.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_00] But I did not feel like necessarily we saw like the full, I felt like there's more, there's a week. I feel like there's got one more, right?

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_01] I mean, but that's like my argument with a lot of these people. It's like, okay, well like let's bring her back out for one, one last ride. Like it's like the last fast and the furious movie. It's like, all right, we're coming, coming back. We got for one more job. That's kind of like how I looked at survivor 50. Of like, okay, let's bring back all of these like iconic figures for one last job. And so Stephanie, we haven't seen her in 15 years on the show. I know people say, oh, well, she just did the traitors, but that I'm fine.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_01] She was a hugely popular. At one point in time, there was the most popular survivor contestant. They built a whole season around her at the center of it. So as somebody who could come back and still be physical, I didn't have a problem with Stephanie. Stephanie.

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. What about Rupert? I don't know what kind of shape Rupert's in. Where do you draw the line though? You're like, I want Jerry, but not Rupert. Rupert's a bigger character. Well, Jerry and Rupert are both. Okay.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01] But I'm telling you, like, I don't know like what, what, what kind of physical condition Rupert is in. Like, I'm like, I don't know if maybe they can, is, is he in survivor playing shape these days? I don't know. But like, but like, I'm, I mean, you know, like it's not that hard. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. I mean, you're upset. You didn't know Rupert.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_00] No, I'm just saying like, you're like, I need to see Amanda. I need to see Stephanie. Like, do you just need to, or I need to see Jerry. Do you just the cast of heroes versus villains running it back for you?

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_01] I guess I, maybe you ran into too many heroes versus villains. Uh, that could be the case. Yeah. Okay.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_00] Listen, if they did the full cast of heroes versus villains again, I would actually, that would, that would, that would be hard to object to.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. Except for Randy and sugar that you already said.

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_00] No, I would love to see.

[01:12:37] Yeah.

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_00] All right. Colby Donaldson. Yeah. Colby. Again, like if you've got these icons, you know, Colby is one of the show's icons and I am, he posted a picture where he looked very strong. He looked very.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. I haven't seen any recent Colby photos, but yeah, if Colby's in, I mean, again, as somebody who's like a, was a Titan of the game at one point in time, it was just the fact that the last glimpse we got of Colby, which was 15 years ago was not necessarily like awe inspiring of like, yes, more of that, please.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_00] How are you feeling that way about Amanda and Jerry when you don't feel that way about Colby?

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_01] Colby like was checked out.

[01:13:21] Yeah.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_01] I don't know.

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_00] I don't know how he gets more checked in. He had Top Shot back then. You know, Top Shot seemed like it was going to take off. Now he hasn't worked on, you know, Top Shot for a while.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. Yeah.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_00] And then finally, all the way back to the beginning, Jenna Lewis. I don't know if I've ever heard you talk about Jenna Lewis. I don't really know Jenna Lewis that well. I feel like she, you know, like I obviously watched the first season and then I like dipped out for a while and then I came back and, you know, caught up. But I never rewatched season one. And so I don't have like a strong, like, I don't know Jenna Lewis in the way that I think a lot of the fan base knows Jenna Lewis. It feels like a deep connection with her. What do you tell me about Jenna Lewis?

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_01] Jenna Lewis is, she, I mean, her story on Survivor Borneo. And I think that she was sort of portrayed on Borneo to be that she's this, you know, young single mom with two girls, two young daughters. And she's there and she's there to provide for her daughters. And that is like a part of her. But then on Survivor All-Stars, I think you saw probably a little bit more of the real

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01] Jenna Lewis of the one who is like a little bit more of like a, she does, she did the eco challenge. She is a extremely like tough, like New England person that I would not get into like a fist fight with Jenna Lewis. She is like a tough customer. And I think that people might not be ready for if they think of her as sort of like that Borneo

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_01] mom who didn't get her videos, who was crying. Like she is somebody who is ready to, you know, win this game by any means necessary.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. But like, but she doesn't just have like the hands-on experience to the game as it is now. I mean, Survivor back then. I have no idea if she's watched Survivor in 20 years. I mean, it goes so fast. Like old Survivor was so slow. It was just a totally different beast.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. And so maybe she's not going to know the right way to split the vote or like when, like what it means that the shot in the dark. But I think that she is going to be like playing hard. Like, I don't think that it's anything that she, you know, can't necessarily keep up with.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. I really though, because I do feel like, I mean, with Survivor, we always say that like, or anything really, right? The best experience for doing anything is just doing that thing. And I really think that these people who have played new era Survivor are going to be better suited for the people for, for new era Survivor. If it is a 26 day season, which it is, right? I'm sure she studied to like watch. Yeah, but you can't, but like the speed of it, I think is where the new era people are going to really excel. Yeah, we'll see. You know. Like just having to like make those decisions fast. Yeah.

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. I mean, we'll see. We got our Borneo representation. I would have preferred if it was Greg, if we could have gotten him. But yeah, there's Jenna Lewis. Okay. Yeah. All right, Steven. There you go. There's 24 people. Wow. I think of 24 people in 26 days. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy like a fox. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, here he is. Sunshine Steven. Lots of great takes. I saw a lot of people agreeing with you today.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_00] Only after I said how hurt I was that nobody was agreeing with me. Then they were like, you know what? Let's give him, let's give him this. Let's give him a little bit of positivity. But also like truly like I, when I truly like when I saw this cast, I was like, those aren't exactly the people I would choose. You especially, you know, and Carolyn and Sean. I was very disappointed. I was so excited for Sean. Like Sean has just felt like such an oversight for so long. Well, it just seems like a tease because a lot of these people, like you heard their names for so long. Yeah. And like Sean, you know, probably heard his own name. And can you imagine this poor guy?

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_00] He's been doing this for 25 years now. He's been like being, you know, led along here. Um, yeah.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_01] And then just maybe like, had we heard like, this is how it was going to be, but it did feel like to get this as the final cast is a little bit of a rug pull where there was so many people that we had heard in the mix that people were getting excited for. And then to suddenly get, actually, uh, we got these people who hadn't necessarily been really rumored to be in the mix.

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_01] And then people that you weren't as excited to see. It feels like that we got something that was like, looked one way online when we ordered it. And then when we got the thing and we opened it, it was not like the picture that we saw

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_00] on the website. I do think some of the, like, that was the problem was the hype building around some of these people based on rumors. And then that kind of like the rug pull of that. I do. I agree with you that that was the issue, but like, where were those rumors from? You know, I mean, that wasn't, you know, why, why, you know, whose fault is that? It's not, you know, it's not Matt Van Wagenen wasn't out there tweeting about who he was looking at. I guess so. It's like, we never told you it was going to be something you would like.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_00] Like, yeah, but truly like looking at this cast and again, like I do think, you know, the five people, obviously you have to cast Riz God. He's the face of the show, but for anybody else, you know, I think that you, you know, for some of these other, for the, like some of the other people from this late, this cast, like, yes, like I think, you know, 48 was a very unpopular season. And then to just like be these guys, you know, all of them, it feels like felt like a little bit much. But I do think they probably cast it in groups. And so I'm, I don't know.

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_00] I mean, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think it'll be a fun season. Yeah. Don't curse it with things like game changers. That's, that's, that's mean. Hey, Steven, you know what the secret to happiness is? Low expectations.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_01] That's right. That's right. Oh my God. It's going to be the greatest season of all time. You know, like, uh, look, everybody, I know everybody is going to go out and play hard. It is not, I don't think I have complained too much about the caliber of the players in terms of like their game play ability. And I hope that everybody is going to go out there and play hard and really go for it. And hopefully we get a great season to watch.

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_00] So you're just gutted that Jerry and Amanda aren't there.

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_01] I think it would have been fun as somebody who's like such a student of all of this. Like, I think that there's so many storylines that we just don't get because we don't get to see. I love the idea of so many people having like their last, this is the final run.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_00] They had that. That was 20. That was 20 for them. Like that was, you know, they got that. Like how many times do you get the last hurrah? Like how many celebrations do there have to be? That was the last hurrah. Do we really need to like to have Jerry? Oh, Colby. Like how many times do we need that same like bit? Like, do you think it's going to be any different this time? They'll be more tired.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_01] Well, instead, you know, we'll get to see, uh, all of our favorites from the last two years, uh, come back. Yeah. All right. Uh, Steven, great job here today though.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_00] This was very fun. Um, you know, any, so yeah, thank you for, for having me. This was funny. I truly like, I think like if we had done this podcast yesterday, I would have been a very different Steven. What happened? What was the difference? I just, I got like Jolene coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Well, sort of like I, I, you know, I was like, there was just so much. I was like so much. At first I was like, yeah, what the heck? Kyle and Camilla and Joe from 48. What the heck is up with that? But then I was like, oh my gosh, everybody's saying the exact same thing. I've got to say something different.

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. Okay. Well that you did. And look, we'll all be coming around by, by February of 2026. We'll be so stoked for this whole thing to start.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, truly, truly, truly. And, and I think, I think 49 will be fun too, because there's like, there's no expectations for 49. Everyone's we're all excited to see the race God. And then that's really it. And anything else will be the cherry on top.

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. All right. So let me tell you about what's coming up. But first, uh, we've got, oh, it's Shane. Where's Shane powers on this cast?

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. That would, where is Shane power? I wonder if he was caught. Is Shane, them not bringing back. Shane is like up there with them not bringing back Sean. Okay.

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_01] Here's Shane powers holding up, uh, his, uh, Jolene coffee. Get 15% off your first order of Jolene coffee with the promo code woodberry. That's Jolene coffee.com. Um, let me tell you this. If this coffee is good enough for Shane powers, it's good enough for you. That's right. And Anthony Kiedis, my God, if Anthony Kiedis is drinking it, Shane takes coffee very seriously.

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, I'm excited about this. I really like, it seems like they put a lot of work and a lot of care into it. And it seems like, I mean, you've had it.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_02] Mm-hmm.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_00] All right.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_01] Survivor 25 greatest moments. I'm working on it with, uh, Mike Bloom. We will kick off the first episode part one of five, 25 to 21, the 25 greatest moments in survivor history announcement that kicks off one week, uh, from yesterday on Wednesday, the fourth. So be on the lookout for that. And then Sunday night, Steven over on our patron feed, we are going to have the survivor 50 draft. We're not even waiting for the season to start. Wow.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_01] We're drafting.

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_00] That's amazing.

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_01] That's going to be live.

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_00] You're not even going to know Savannah or the Riz God. You're not even going to know how they play. You got to do Riz God first though.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_01] All right. Well, I'm let's see what the drafters do live on Sunday night at 7. PM.

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_00] Do we have a winner pick? Do you, should we talk about who we think is? Yeah. Sure. You want to do a, Sam told me, I needed to do a fishy. And I think this is actually quite easy. I've got to give the preseason fishy to Mike, you know, his strategy of bringing back cast. Like he's been doing like next level pre-gaming for this, like bringing back people from his cast who are his allies to appear on HBO. Like that's unbelievable levels of strategic thinking. Um, and so easy pregame fishy for Mike White.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_01] Hmm. Okay. Wasn't prepared to do a winner pick today. Um, but I'll go with Sari.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_00] Sari is actually a good choice. I can see it finally happening in 50. Um, who, who else? I kind of feel like it'll be someone from that like mid thirties group. I'm not out on Rick Devin's winning, but I think Sari.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_01] Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_00] Uh, Mike White, Devin's. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. I mean, Christian, I, I don't think, I don't think Christian is really a likely winner. I think he is like too kind to, I mean, Rick is also very kind, but like Christian is so sweet and earnest. Yeah. All right.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_01] Let's see what happens. And our survivor draft will be live for the, on the patron feed at 7 PM on Sunday night. We'll put it in the main feed in February of.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_00] Sari's a good choice. Sari's a very good choice. You know, she really almost won the game changers except for that advantage get in. Mm-hmm.

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_01] She would have gotten away with it. If it wasn't for that, uh, advantage get in. Yeah. Okay. All right. Uh, then we've got coming up after that. Oh, patron Q and a tomorrow. I'll be live taking your questions. I'm sure we will have many, many questions about survivor 50 and beyond. I will be live with the patrons. I Rob has a website.com slash patron 3 PM Eastern on Friday. And this is it. We're getting down to crunch time here. We are retiring the $5 patron feed.

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_01] We are grandfathering and locking in all of the patron pricing for existing patrons, uh, at the end of May 31st. So if you want to still get in as a $5 patron, you've got about, uh, 48 hours to do so. Otherwise, uh, we are retiring the bottom tier and the new bottom tier for new patrons will be the $10 tier. And of course, stay up to date with everything we have going on. We know survivor.com. Steven blood on the clock tower.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_01] We just dropped in brand new episode four.

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_00] It's a great one. It is very fun. Like the, the, the comments have suggested people are very enthusiastic about this. So strongly recommend it. Um, you can see some survivor 50 players. That's right. There's a real Emily versus Christian vibe to this. So if you want to see those two face off head to head, like this is your opportunity to do it. If you don't want to have to wait a year for that. Yeah. Okay.

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01] And then we've also got Steven Fishback's amazing book escape.

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Um, thank you. Rob for mentioning that, uh, please. Uh, you know, if you, if you'd like to pre-order it, you know, it's like, you know, please, please do that. This is a great way to support me. Um, and also to read a book that I'm really proud of. I feel like I keep on being like, Oh, please support me. Like, you know, this is, this means so much to me, but also I really liked this book. Like I worked really hard on it. So I hope you like it. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_01] Steven, if people screenshot their pre-order to you and tell, and, and then tell you their favorite survivor 50 people, are you willing to then talk up their survivor 50 pick?

[01:26:10] Yeah.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_00] I'll give, I'll, I'll hype up. Yeah. If, yeah. If I get like enough of one person, yeah, I'll, I'll, for sure. I'll, I'll hype that person up. You know, I'm, I, my, my opinions are fungible. Like, you know, like I said, like yesterday I was, I was more negative on the cast today. I'm more positive. Yeah.

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_01] Okay.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_00] All right. Check out Steven Fishback's book, Escape. Yeah. Gary asked, are we trying to escape Steven Fishback? That, you know, actually you can go to escapefishback.com. That's if you don't want to go to Steven Fishback.com. Escape Fishback, where you will be inundated with more fishback. How ironic is that?

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. Wow. You can't escape fishback.

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_00] You cannot escape.

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_01] Even in the off season.

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. Can I say something here about, so people are saying book tour. So I have been trying to plan some sort of like thing, some sort of like series of going around the country in the, in the fall before the book comes out to sort of help, you know, do viewing parties. And, and I reached out to Wendell Holland, who I've met like twice in my life. I was like, Hey, like, I'd love just like some of your like insight into how you got, you know, plan the price one events. I'm not imagining anything of that caliber, but like, you know, I'd love to, I'd love to do something to help, you know, promote the book and drive

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_00] some sales and, and, you know, also like get to like, you know, mingle with the folks. I've met twice, like corresponded with occasionally, you know, text him every so often. Like he was like, yes, let me connect you with my contacts. Let me like put you in touch with these like venues, you know, such like a nice over the top, like not over the top, appropriate, like kind, helpful person. It really like, you know, it really touches you. Like there's some people, you know, who, who just like step up and we're there

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_00] for you. Even if like, you know, he doesn't, you know, I'm like a, one of the subscribers. Yeah. He's a great guy. What great guy went to home.

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. Steven, great job by you here today. And thank you so much everybody for joining us. And we've got plenty more survivor 50 wall to wall coverage here on our AJP. Check it all out in our, we know survivor feed. Take care of a good one. Bye. Bye.