Survivor Global: Tribal Rules, Idol Bluffs & Agency | Season 48 Ep 3 with Pooya

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[00:00:37] Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor Global for Survivor 48. I'm your host Shannon Guss. I wasn't going to be doing Global this week and then this episode happened and then I sat on it for two days and then I was like I have so many thoughts. So now I'm here and Pooya and I were going to podcast about Australians and we thought why don't we also do 48. We were pulling a bit of a double today. You guys will hear over the next couple of days, which is so exciting.

[00:01:00] Pooya thank you so much for, you know, really leaning into my worst impulses where I cannot stay away from a strange vote like this on Survivor. Of course two things first of all happy to be here. Thanks for having me a second. How could I say no to the opportunity to get the first front row seat to say congratulations on not winning the draft for Survivor 48. We'll see you for Survivor 49 Shannon. I know I know. Happy to be here.

[00:01:28] Like I said, I said it was a tough week and I didn't know if I could do it and it was it was about the draft. That's what I meant. Um, this is a joke I've already made on a podcast that will come out Australian Survivor but um, yeah, so unfortunate. You know what it was? It was that I didn't listen to the tribe breakdowns because I didn't have enough time and like had I never would have picked anyone from Vula. They were so outmatched picking anyone from Vula was a terrible decision, but I was just focused on their stupid personality.

[00:01:57] And you picked two. Yeah, it couldn't have gone worse. Well, I could have gone worse. I could have lost both people in the first night, but that's not wait. No, but that did happen. That happened that one time that happened in forty one to yeah to you. I think was it and that season. I did have the second place finisher. So let's hope you can keep your average draft placement high because that's going by by two maybe who knows we'll find out. We'll find out.

[00:02:22] Now that I have a win. It's it's less about average draft placement. Oh, well, now that my average draft placement is tanking rapidly, it's becoming less about that. But anyway, for the way that Justin went justice for Justin and for me in my draft, he feels bad about Rob's Winnipeg. All of that like the future part survivor did the math on this. It's actually unbelievable that it's literally a percent to two percent of everything needing to go wrong.

[00:02:50] I think it's like they need to lose a challenge, which is honestly fairly likely, but let's not give it a hundred percent into he needs to be chosen one and three on the journey into it needs to be a journey that you can't opt out of. He would have opted out into he has to then lose the journey into Mary has to hit one in six shot in the dark into Cedric has to turn away from him. It's about one to two percent. It's crazy. OK, so I don't feel so bad about the way this is wet because it wasn't my or Justin's fault.

[00:03:15] Well, you're not wrong. Were there ways that could have been salvaged a little? Maybe. Yeah, we'll talk about it. But probably not. Yeah, it was it's what we'll definitely get into it. It's tiny margins considering how this ended up going for Justin. I mean, I think that where people want us to start is definitely tribal council with the rules that played out.

[00:03:40] How did you see this going? Were you following it and did you agree with kind of how the machinations played out? So this is how I went watching it at my place when. Mary runs over the scroll for the shot in the dark, I get off my chair, I get off my seat. I'm like, oh, my God, here we go, because I feel like if this doesn't stay safe, it's over.

[00:04:03] I typically do not look at the time to see how many minutes are left in the episode I had at this moment. So like something's about to happen. I just don't know what it is. So then Mary had safe. I'm like, cool. Then we get to the we get to the revote. I was like, OK, I don't know what's going to happen. I think a lot of people basically if we skip to the ending part, which was the whole Cedric voting for say again. A lot of people like you just rocked yourself out of the game. What are you doing?

[00:04:35] And then at that point I was like, OK, no, so that's not what's going to happen. I thought, OK, I remember very vividly they're going to have to have a discussion on who to unanimously send. That makes sense. But then I was also like, well, there's no way Cedric's vote is like has a harder carry than like say's vote. I know stays in the tie vote, but they both voted. So why does Cedric get the final say? Granted, obviously, say is going to advocate for the one option that isn't her going home.

[00:05:03] So it was fascinating to me. I feel like I definitely did not my like I do not mind at all the way it went down slash don't really have an opinion on the ins and outs and the rule books of it all when it comes to what happened. But I have an inkling that I'm on an island with this one in this podcast. A lot of people have an opinion. I mean, I've I listened to what Dwight did with Rob.

[00:05:33] I was talking to Andy about it yesterday and Dwight and Andy agree. And I disagree with both of them, because I think it's what you described about the unanimous rock decision. The big discussion point out of everything that happened was should say get a say. And we're going to have to think about the terminology of all this because it's going to start getting confusing. But should she be involved in the rocks discussion? We found out in 47 that if you are against a non voter in the tie, you still get to vote.

[00:06:01] We like that because we thought, why were they ever not voting? It never made sense. It doesn't make sense on a three way tie. Everyone should vote if they can. And if you can only vote that direction, that's just how it's going to go. It used to be where you could only vote against each other. And there's so many ways that's untrue now. So and I have passed just with three way votes. So that has never made sense. We like the rule change. We hope in every instance and we hope in doubt that they know the rules at every point. But it seems unlikely, but we'd like that that would change.

[00:06:29] So say get to vote and then it becomes the say become involved in the rocks discussion. And two of two very clunky things can happen. And it's never going to be seamless. And that's my biggest thesis point is that it's going to be clunky one way or the other, because this is too much. Because the new era has thrown every extreme and like the tiny tribes into at least not intentional disaster tribes with the Flint and the way the tribes are created, or at least they're not trying hard enough to not create disaster tribes.

[00:06:58] Lost votes shot in the dark. This is a tribe without an idol, right? Like imagine if they even still has her idol and this is this tribe. So it's clunky because it's finicky because that's what the new era has done. And I honestly think it's it wasn't fun for me because it takes away agency, but we'll kind of talk about that. But it means that we're going to lead to one of two clunky decisions.

[00:07:20] The first is that say, well, what we get that say inconsistently has a vote through to the rock draw discussion and then is taken out. People don't like this. Dwight didn't like this because it's inconsistent. And because Dwight and Andy thought they feel like the non voters should be punished as the target. And at the point where say isn't taken out of that discussion, it lessens the disparity between the voting and non voting target.

[00:07:47] To the point where in this situation actually say vote becomes pretty inconsequential. Like either Cedric is going to vote with her, in which case his vote decides or he's going to vote against her as we saw and then go to a point where then he just has full control anyway. That actually became an inconsequential vote and we'll talk it through. But in other permutations, of course, say having a vote where Justin does not have a vote is important in most ties. If it's like a four, four, she'll win out four to three. You know, in other situations, say it's like a three to three to one and the one turns against her.

[00:08:17] It's now a three to three. She takes her group through to a rock draw and then she opts out and her allies from a minority position are advocating on her behalf. That disparity is enough for me. But people don't like the inconsistency that she votes and then she stops voting. The second thing is what we got, which is should she. So, OK, so am I making sense now, firstly, on what the first part is that she opts in? Is she voting and then not voting? Let me tell you, the listeners are nodding. Yes, go on. Your guest is sitting here.

[00:08:46] What part's confusing? I'm getting lost in the sauce. It's not that what you're saying is confusing. It's that it's it's a lot of ticky tack specific stuff. OK, I'll brought to broaden it. What I'm just saying is that the first one is that she it's the inconsistency of her. What we saw she's voting, then she's not in the rock discussion. It means she does have power over Justin, the non voter. But to a point, the disparity between them as a voter and non voter is an absolute is a disparity.

[00:09:14] It'll work out much of the time, but it won't be the extreme. I'm always voting and you're always not voting. And that's the disparity between us when we're targets and I'm a voter and you're a non voter. And so that's but it's inconsistent and people don't like that. The other thing, which is what the Dwight's and Andy's want, which I disagree with, is that she continues to vote. So then she has a say in the rocks discussion. And that means that she has total leverage in the rocks discussion because she can't be rocked out as a target.

[00:09:45] And I really don't like this because it means that she has for being a target. And I hate that because being a target is a negative for me. But because she's never she can't she's never going to vote against herself. So then the only options which Dwight, Dwight agreed it was extreme. But the only options become either Cedric's going to rock himself out and be like a refuse vote out Justin or Justin has to go.

[00:10:13] She has total leverage. We saw in Cambodia. People were immune and still contributed to the rocks discussion. Jeremy Kelly and Spencer because they had won or played immunity, but they had earned that leverage by being immune. I really don't like the idea of a target who has the leverage of people in the rocks discussion might go to rock like her leverages. I can't be rocked out, but then I don't contribute to the discussion. Then if you add the leverage of but I'm also a part of this discussion.

[00:10:42] I mean, it's complete and it's totally overpowered. And it's just like full and total leverage where again for being a target, which is a negative to me. She gets full control. I think Cedric say should Cedric vote or Cedric point of view should mean more than says because he is not voted for which is a credit to him in this tiny little group. So while it is inconsistent for me, it's the best the show can do because at the point where it becomes people who aren't involved as targets.

[00:11:10] And you have their vote in the rock discussion. That's not say again, a lot of the time her vote will still have consequence up to a rock discussion, not here. And that is enough for me to like compare to Justin. But if you then add the extremes of she still gets to talk because she had a vote. I really don't agree. I think her status as a target should outweigh her status as a voter. It's my value system for sure that I judge people for being targets and that losing a vote to me probably matters less.

[00:11:38] I would rather lessen disparity of voters and non voting targets and not give her total impunity basically as a target to have full leverage, which would break the game a different way. It would definitely be more consistent, but it would break the game a different way. Does this make sense? I think I think we got there in the end. We got there. I think all this taught me and my takeaway is stop taking their damn votes away.

[00:12:02] Yeah, like this is way too like we are people who have watched every season of this show and every international iteration of this show. And we are having these complex ass discussions. And I'm still sitting here maybe 70 percent retaining what Shannon has just said. Um, so I'm imagining the people on the couches in the casuals world being like, what was this? This is too much. This is too complex.

[00:12:27] It's I so disagree with having their votes taken away. Now, granted, am I a little biased Shannon Gus? Am I a little biased that all of this does help Mary stay right? Right. The vote, the the shot in the dark taking away the vote. It did. So I'm happy. But also, this is the most we're doing the most here. We shouldn't be doing the most. I feel like this is.

[00:12:55] Sometimes I feel like and you know, let me let me now say my piece. Sometimes I feel like there is an overcompensation for the fact that the game is 26 days. It's like we got to prove that because it's 26 days, it is bonkers land and this and that. And we need to remove the votes. We need to add they have to play this game and it's going to be a game of chance. If they lose tough doesn't matter. This is the monster that's chasing you on the island. That's going to devour you.

[00:13:24] You're going to get birthed into the onto the island through mud. It's 26 days. Let's just play the game that that it was for 26 days. I don't if we don't need all this. Who are you impressing? I feel like this is doing the most for no reason. But anyway, all of that to say, yeah, that was my. No, I completely agree with you. And but the other point of that, that's so important is this is a monster. It's so scary. Like, yes, Justin played more by being in being the third booth and some people play in a lifetime. Twelve people have not gone to tribal council. They haven't seen the set.

[00:13:54] That's the difference for me. The difference is it's so hard for these disaster tribes. If it was a mistake, it was a terrible one. It feels intentional. We were nowhere near. I don't know what they were thinking when you see these tribe designations, let alone the fact that you don't get Flint. It compounds. There's so many things. Twelve people have not seen the set of tribal council and they don't even usually swap. So it's just it's too disparate.

[00:14:18] It's like, yes, it's hard for like a select group of people, two of whom are going to make the merge, maybe, you know, and for everyone else. It's it's so easy. They're going to go to very few tribal councils. Like it's actually not harder for two thirds of the cast and what's going to be almost everyone who makes the merge. So that's the first part. And it's also like our investment is in people. You look at the chippy charts like Kevin, Justin, they're all gone. Like we don't know the strategies really of most of the people in the game and they haven't had a chance to play it out. So that's the first thing.

[00:14:47] And the second thing is, yes, like that's my main thesis point is at the moment what the discussion is choosing between what feels kind of less uncomfortable. Like, oh, like I'm I'm choosing for it to be inconsistent. I know it's inconsistent that say votes and then opts out. I still think that's better because I'd be more uncomfortable with, say, having total leverage because she won being a target, which is a negative. And all of us in this discussion are having to choose between what feels less clunky.

[00:15:14] They're both clunky because you've created a game fundamentally broken a little bit. So I agree with you. The biggest thesis point is like none of nothing's going to feel great. It's way too finicky. It's way too much. And I didn't feel satisfied by it because I want to talk about about Justin, because I feel like there was so little agency and even like comparing to like the Jenny boot in 42.

[00:15:40] I felt like Jenny didn't do anything wrong, but there was still a bit more space on that six person try where more people could have been targets and where it felt like Jenny's allies. Royally messed up like she didn't do anything wrong, but like Chanel chose to risk her vote. Um, hi advocated more for Lydia. Daniel folded like a cheap deck chair, like things. There was more agency even within that, which was crazy. And this I just felt like was every single part of the lack of agency we talk about.

[00:16:09] I know there's been conversations I've had like with Nick Callahan online. He's like, well, to be fair, Justin is at least sent on a journey for losing a challenge. He lost the challenge. Fair enough. But to be fair, losing a tribe challenge that's going to make you order risk a vote that you have no control over. And I'm one in four person vote is so extreme. And even so, Lagie choosing him is probably a positive like they're not doing that to damn him. They're doing that probably because they want to create a relationship with him or given an opportunity.

[00:16:36] So it's actually speaks well to how the other side might seem and he's punished for it. He can't even think about counter splitting on say possibly splitting. Like we'll talk about all this stuff. But for me, it's just there was so little agency of what Justin could do. And it felt to me like he just didn't pick a chair of musical chairs eventually. Well, I it's yeah. Here's the thing. Was it entertaining? Yes.

[00:17:03] I still think I was thoroughly entertained with how the the tribal when and the game goes. I'm a sucker for a first time ever situation. So when we get first on a forty eighth edition of his show, I think that's pretty special. I'm here for that now to talk about the things that go wrong for just it. Um, it is hard. You'd be struggling to find a way to fault him for the stuff that just we just talked about, right?

[00:17:32] Like if you're getting picked by the other tribe to go on a journey, is that an attempt to get an olive branch? Because you think Justin is someone who can be, you know, was or is willing to just share information, whatever the case is. That is a level of, you know, unspoken social game that maybe we can credit to him. I think where it goes sideways for me and where I would give him some of the blame is he could have very if if Cedric is truly your number one ally, you could very well just tell him, hey, so I lost my boat.

[00:18:02] We saw I believe Bianca do this with with Thomas, right? Like tells everybody else. Now, you know, whatever doesn't listen. I lost my vote. I don't vote right now because I think that at that point maybe you do get the split vote that you're looking for. And maybe that helps because naturally, OK, we don't think Mary has something. You know, she has a shot in the dark. If she doesn't have anything, she's being breezy. She might just go ahead and play that shot.

[00:18:31] It might go ahead and land. I don't have a vote, so let's split it just in case. And on the revote is calm. We just we just split that way. And it's we take Mary out if she's on the table. If she's not, you want to ride with me anyway, then we're good, because ultimately the fact that Mary plays her shot in the dark in the event that he had been open with it about it with Cedric and Cedric had opted to split the vote and put his vote on say. And guess what? Say leaves. None of this happens.

[00:19:00] So. I understand all the unluckiness that got all the way to that point, but from the moment he lost his idol, the agency was in his hands on how to play. Sorry, I lost his vote. The agency was in his hands to figure out how to play the game without having my vote. What is my next move as a non vote haver? And I think that's where the decision went sideways a little bit. The first thing is firstly on like it was the first time ever. My concern is that's what the show is like. See, this is great.

[00:19:30] This is the first time ever. And they like looking for first. Mm hmm. But the conversation around it, I think that it rewards the wrong things. I love first times ever, too, but I prefer where it's someone invents a new plan. You know, like I want the game to come from the players like, yes, this is the first time ever because the game is broken. Like if we keep breaking the game like it will keep doing that. Is that good, though? Like it's new. But is it good? And I think because we keep seeing the flashy thing like, look, I wasn't even meant to podcast this week. And here I am talking about it. So it's working. But is it good? I don't know.

[00:19:58] And I don't want the show to read the wrong things into it. If the players have the space to innovate and come up with new things which they so often do that to me that I love. That's my first time ever. But breaking the game for me, I think it sends the show the wrong message and they're like, this is why this is great. Great. And I disagree on the split. And I'm telling Cedric. I think this was unforeseeable, the specific thing.

[00:20:22] I do think that it's about splitting on shot in the dark. Like if Justin has his vote, he's going to want to count a split say in case say, we'll talk about say splitting, but like if say splitting. It's for shot in the dark where, okay, everyone voted for Mary and then you don't give Mary and Justin the chance to vote you out. So you split on Justin. So you split on Justin. So he goes from one to zero. And if Justin had his vote, he could count a split on say. So that would be say Justin.

[00:20:51] And then they could vote say out after that. And Cedric would stick hopefully by Justin side. And that's what he would assume. I think asking Cedric to split on say would be too audacious. And I don't think that Cedric would do that, especially on the shot of a shot in the dark hitting and say splitting. This is becoming like a one less than one in six chance. I don't think he's he doesn't even end up sending say home, but I don't think he's cracking from a major ally to split.

[00:21:21] But I think it like I don't see why you don't tell Cedric. I think that's my biggest thing. I think it's more like you're my vote now. Like we're together the vote like just like, you know, basically you have to to keep it together if we're going to get to that point, especially because he didn't do anything wrong. It's not like Cedric can even be mad at him like, hey, I risked my vote and I lost it. Like I had no choice. Like as an ally, you only feel sympathy for him.

[00:21:45] So, yeah, I think that if if like Mary is like plays an idol and votes for say and you don't have your like in this situation, I don't think that Cedric will vote for say straight out. But it's more like, hey, Mary's played an idol. She's voted for say say is what the vote and voted for me. Mary votes are, you know, a wash. We go back to a say me Justin tie. You're deciding that. So just stick strong. I think it's more just about keeping him on the path. If it gets to the point, like if a shot in the dark hit.

[00:22:15] It's and say has split a vote on to Justin like he will go home, but that's a very small chance. I don't think that Cedric would just split on say then they don't have any Mary votes because like save then at that point splitting on like that's the whole point. So I don't think that they would risk that. And I don't think Cedric would outright vote for say, but it's more about if we get to a revert opportunity, like if an idol is played, just keep strong for me. And I just don't see why you wouldn't tell him because how could he be mad at you? And it's just like his vote is so important to you.

[00:22:45] And it's just about sticking strong on like future re-votes. So I think that it was a lot, a big price to pay for a tiny mistake. I just don't see why you wouldn't tell Cedric. I don't see what he would have lost in telling Cedric. That I think that's the thing, because like coming in and saying, hey, I don't have my vote. So you need to vote say a bit of a tough sell, putting him in a hard situation. But I think at least if you remove the reveal that you didn't have a vote with your number one ally is good, because then maybe Cedric does realize, you know what?

[00:23:14] Maybe I do want to go that way. Also, just thinking on a deeper level of like, OK, if she uses a shot in the dark and it doesn't land, it's two votes because I can't vote. Mary's given up her vote for the shot in the dark and it hits. Then these are the two votes. I think that just at least having time to come up with a game plan just in case, because what we do end up seeing playing out is Justin's spot gets blown up.

[00:23:40] He is now revealed to be the non vote haver and he has no hill to stand on because he did lie to his number one ally to the face. And this is an argument that say can use immediately. Now, granted, the other factor that we've not really talked about is in no world would you ever predict that Cedric would vote say twice and then be like, you know what?

[00:24:05] Nah, Justin's got to go like at that point. You think he just cut the losses because he has voted, put say his name down saying they ain't going to forget about that name drop, you know? So you could argue that, well, who could have seen that coming? Yes. But at the end of the day, if it's your number one ally, you don't have a vote. Tell them because now you're basically banking on their vote anyway. That's the vote you are relying on.

[00:24:28] Exactly. I agree. And I think it was the wrong read on Cedric who does choose Justin twice and is committed to Justin. Like, I think he I don't know much about Cedric strategically, although I'm finding out derogatory based on the decision eventually made. And I think that was his concern. But I just think, again, he didn't do anything wrong. And I think that he could have trusted Cedric in that position. And he needed he needed that relationship with Cedric more than ever. I think that was what was so, so important. I don't think you can go to him and say, vote for say, because then God forbid, Mary doesn't even play a show in the dark.

[00:24:58] She doesn't even have an idol. She just votes for say you vote for say, say actually stuck with you voted for Mary. Say goes home two to one. I mean, I don't think I think he would prefer that rather than being in the crossfire. He said he could have voted with Mary. He could go either way. Cedric is closer to say so Cedric's not going to do that. And I don't think he can ask Cedric that I think he would be happy to split his own vote and maybe accidentally send say home. But I don't think Cedric can. But I think it's about Cedric just being prepared to stick strong with Justin through any, you know, permutations of the way that this could go.

[00:25:24] So I do think it was the wrong read. Obviously, Cedric, yes, did choose Justin twice. And there is no excuse. I know that he had a really close relationship with say as well. But the two things of changing back on to on to to Justin after voting for say twice and then being like, but what's the caveat of the two people in the tribe? I want you guys to team up against me. Oh, my God. Even what was the two words possible? What's happening, Cedric? I think he was just tired and he was confused like all of us.

[00:25:52] I think that these are like, I think ultimately you're Justin, you're watching this play out. Maybe you do leave the game thinking, you know what? I would have been cooked with Cedric as my ally because Cedric basically just damned himself a little bit. Like, I don't know how that would have gone for me long term because, yeah, I think with the caveat of you two need to work together, we need unity. That's all well and good. Obviously, in Cedric's mind, I think he's like they'll patch things up, but they're not going to go for me.

[00:26:20] If we go back to tribal, they're going to look at each other is I'm assuming what he thinks would be the case. I think what obviously that doesn't count into consideration, the anticipation that maybe a swap happens, which is what's about to happen or the other side of things, which is, yeah, I put Cedric's name down twice. Is Cedric really going to forget that? Mary at least has the deniability of listen, game respect game. I didn't I, you know, tried to bluff that I have an idol.

[00:26:48] So maybe you don't vote for me, but I was going to use my Shaun the Dark anyway. I didn't put your name down. And I think that's and we respect each other as game players. Let's continue that respect in the lines. No one would expect a yada yada. I feel like Cedric kind of very much mishandles. You know, we talked about this on our last episode of a you where I said, you know, maybe in the future, if you have a chizzy point thing, you add a new function where we deduct one point from someone once a season.

[00:27:15] I would definitely be using it on Cedric right about now because, oh, my God, what is going on here? But also, I do not want to take credit away from say because as much as I can be like Cedric biffed it, messed up, yada yada. Say had a very compelling argument and stuck to it the entire time. I think we cannot discount the fact that a player on Survivor convinced somebody who voted her out twice in the span of 10 minutes in the runtime.

[00:27:44] Obviously, I know in real life it was longer than that, but convince this person in a do or die situation to not vote her out of the game. I think that is huge. That is huge from say. So credit where credit's due. Well, firstly, Cedric got six chizzy points last week for putting himself at the top of the try. We saw that play out where he had the total power. I think he should have been afforded for that positioning for not being a target. And then in the space of, as we said, at least 10 minutes of at least screen time went to the bottom of the tribe.

[00:28:12] So, yes, that was an unfortunate tumble from where he'd come from. I definitely want to talk about this with this a lot with say and even like we can look at like Justin possibly underestimating say in Cedric's relationship, which might be a bit of a again, we'll talk about how much it should have doomed him, but might be a little bit of like an underrated mistake. But say has out muscled at every part of this pre-merge. And I think that I come in and I've credited her. I think every week I've given her chizzy points and I think people are reticent to do it because it feels so wrong. It feels so antisocial.

[00:28:41] But the thing is that this tribe was eat or be eaten and I back hurt every step. I back her following Mary around compared to where the others don't want to babysit. And is that necessarily like intuitively what you want to do on the show? Like, no, you don't want to like make someone feel so bad about you. But the odds of all you making it to the next phase is so low. So it's eat or be eaten. It is about pure survival, especially for say who was always a target. Follow her around, like be intense about that, even if it goes against what we usually say.

[00:29:06] You don't have the luxury of being social and you literally just have to survive. And that's where it gets you. And even like splitting the boat, which we can talk about. I thought it was uncharacteristically out of character for say not to end up splitting the vote. Um, because is that antisocial to split on her own alliance in the chance that an idol is what we'll talk about. Actually, the idol wouldn't have worked. I want to talk about the split, but then the chance of the shot in the dark hits. Then a hundred percent you want to split on Justin so that Cedric and Justin can't go back and decide your fate.

[00:29:37] Well, and then you're relying on Cedric, which didn't pan out at first. I thought it was uncharacteristic for her not to split. I think she should split. Is it antisocial? Yes. If Justin has a chance to decounter split, is it antisocial? Against an alliance? Yes. But do it when you're when there's so few options and we're playing musical chairs. I think. Well, I think that if you're in a four person tribe, which why is this happening on episode three that there's a four person tribe, but whatever I digress.

[00:30:04] If you're in a four person tribe and you feel like you have someone as your number one, I think you should be able to look at the other and you're going to travel. You should be able to look at the other two as expendable to a certain degree. Like, yes, you know, love lost between you and Mary. You're looking to get rid of Mary. You're looking to get rid of Mary. But also if you vote Justin and Mary goes home anyway, I'm assuming in your reality, Justin's the next to go. So there's no love lost there. And, you know, Justin and Cedric are tight.

[00:30:31] So, again, no love lost there because Justin's going to probably try and convince Cedric to vote you out if you go back to travel at three and you are going to convince Cedric to go after Justin in a travel three anyway. So the relationship with Justin, it's more about if you then make it to emerge, you've severed that relationship. But again, you're all still there. That's a luxury. You can't be afforded. Yes. Yes. So unlikely. And honestly, if you cross that bridge, that sounds like that sounds like the planned out. Great. OK, we'll work that out then. Like if you all made it to that point, then that's like the best possible scenario.

[00:31:00] And I'll deal with that when it happens. If it happens. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. I feel like what was funny to me now is that the more and more I watch of the new era, the more and more I feel like, you know, when I talk about the traders, I always talk about how it is the show is still in its infancy. So there are brand new emergent strategies coming in, metas coming in. Oh, don't do this. Do that. Oh, the thing we thought two seasons ago that you could do to win.

[00:31:27] You can't really do that anymore. I feel like I'm more and more convinced that Survivor is becoming a different game to what I may have thought the blueprint existed for before. And I think luck is definitely always always been a variant with any reality TV show, I think is becoming more prevalent in this iteration of Survivor. And I think that just playing like you are not there the next day is be almost becoming more and more prevalent as well.

[00:31:57] I think, you know, because I feel like with a lot of these games, Shannon, in my head, I'm like slow roll it, you know, like slow roll, do a little marinade. Oh, let's not split the vote on this person in case we need them later. Yeah, almost looks to me like you just have to unapologetically play like the game's ending tonight. And I personally, that is not the way I play any game. So that would be tough for me. And, you know, with we're talking about the whole like split vote thing.

[00:32:25] I think and the thing is, it's very clear say had considered it so heavily because we saw her bring it up. You saw her talk about it the minute the shot in the dark hit safe. So it was like, I knew it like we should have done it. We should have split it. Um, she still lives to tell the tale. So that's good. That's nice. But it's tough. This game is different is different and not necessarily like I'm not dogging the show, right? I'm not saying it's horrible. This isn't a bad way that it was broken fundamentally.

[00:32:55] Well, you didn't say you hate it, though. You know what I mean? Like you're tuning in next week. Like, you know, like there's shows out there where you're like hate watching. You're not hate watching Survivor. No, no. I mean, the thing is the casting of the new year is amazing. And I always said the cast makes it. I think I'm loving this cast, too. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't think that this was satisfying. It was certainly interesting. I wasn't meant to podcast this week. I don't think it's good, though. And I think that this is the thing as well as it's like usually I wouldn't say.

[00:33:26] Be antisocial on this chance that a one in six shot in the dark hits like sometimes I'm like, I respect that people don't do that. And I think that there's like utility and being social. But I think that, yeah, when it's eat or be eaten, you split. I thought I was actually shocked that say didn't because say has been playing at 100 this entire game like say will out muscle with every single part. She played the disaster tribe how you should a pure frickin work. And she did it. And that's what was shocking to me just on the split as well.

[00:33:55] So I think she said we actually seem to talk about this. Right. The split works in two permutations, not actually on Mary having an idol for say, because if Mary has an idol and Justin has his vote, Mary is going to vote for say if she splits the vote on Justin and then they voted for Mary. It's a Mary say tie. And then only at that point, I'm sorry, not Mary. It's a say Justin tie. Mary is immune.

[00:34:20] Only Mary and Cedric re-vote because they are Justin in this world and say both have their votes. And Mary has leverage at rock. So she can force say to go through even if just if Cedric wants to say with say. They got all the names right. But actually, for the idol, it doesn't work where the split works as we saw. It would have worked on a assuming Justin doesn't count a split. It works on the shot in the dark hitting and it goes back to a zero vote re-vote or doesn't go from one to zero. So that's where the split works.

[00:34:47] And I think that she and Cedric are talking about that correctly because they mentioned shot in the dark and they mentioned Justin not having a vote. So also, yeah, if Mary plays an idol and Justin doesn't have a vote, considering he's been on the journey and his story was kind of wacky. Then at that point it becomes say gets to re-vote. So Mary is re-voting for say, say is voting for Justin, because at that point, instead of it being like a three one, Mary voted for say, say just went home. Now it's a one one. We've gone to a tie.

[00:35:14] Mary's voted for say, say is voted for Justin and she's going to try to convince Cedric over. So it gives her an opportunity where she clearly thinks she's closer to Cedric and can get Cedric over. So there were places where it worked. It doesn't actually work just on everyone voting for an idol. There are places that it works. I would think that just on that alone that she would have done it. And I would have been interested if Justin would have counter-splitted just if he'd had a vote on the chance of of say counter-splitting just for like a shot in the dark and sending him home one to zero, which I think would have been the right move.

[00:35:44] I think that all of these finicky counter splits and anti-social moves would have been the correct thing to do. So that was like the one thing I was sure. I mean, I can't really hugely criticize say, but I was quite shocked that she that she didn't do that. And I do know what else is also interesting was she they mentioned. So last week we said, did they think that two concurrent two one ones were happening? But then that turned into a three one and we're like, that can't be right. They must have talked about it. They did say was surprise. She thought it was going to be she thought.

[00:36:10] I mean, I think so what Justin and Cedric think is going to happen that they're going to vote two for Kevin. She's going to vote on Mary and then Kevin's going to vote on saying it's going to be a two one one, but she changed her vote to Kevin. And what she's thinking is that it's going to be I think she thinks she doesn't know what Justin's vote is going to be. So she's playing her idol and maybe she thinks it's her on Kevin, Kevin on her and then Cedric on Mary and Kevin's and Justin's either voting for her.

[00:36:36] So she's going home on the two one one, but she's playing her idol or Justin's voting for Mary and Mary's going home on a two one one. And she's wasting her idol. I thought that she'd given her idol over as a gesture of goodwill. But I think she was genuinely scared of a two one one happening and Justin could vote against her. So it really shows that this alliance was in a different place than even I thought it was quite divided anyway. So at that point, the counter splits and the lack of trust kind of speak for themselves, let alone the fact that it's so dicey literally with the show in the dark.

[00:37:02] But like that gives real meaning to the word dicey, but also this alliance was like heavily fractured and complex and layered even coming into it. So I just think where they were at was very, very interesting as well. We are Teresa and Nemo and that's why we have to Shopify changed. The platform, the we used for Shopify has used regularly updates, which have sometimes been to have to have to have to have to have to have to have a job done. Endlich makes our Nemo Boards Shop on the mobile devices a good figure.

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[00:38:56] So like that, they don't have that in their disasters. But I mean, Shannon, within three episodes, we have one person who is still surviving in this group of three remaining who has not voted for two tribals now. Okay, she's been to three. She's not voted in two of them. She's still here. We also have the tribe.

[00:39:20] Yes. Then we also have a person on this tribe who literally has voted for every single person on his tribe within the first three tribals that they have gone to. Cedric has voted for Stephanie, Kevin, Mary, Say, and Justin. And they've been to three tribals. Like this is nutty. Absolutely nutty.

[00:39:43] And the dynamics in this group, like I truly wouldn't trust my allies in this tribe because, like we just discussed, Say was told, use your idol tonight. Use it. And guess what? She didn't need it. You know, when she could have used it right here, the minute the shot clears, she could have just used it and moved on out. Would she have used it? Maybe not because her assumption was that all those are on Mary. She's definitely going to play it. Yeah. She's the 100% playing it.

[00:40:12] Like at that point, you might as well. Right. Just to be safe. Just to be like, whatever happens next. I want no part in this. I don't want. Yeah, I don't want to leave it to chance. So. Oh, my God. Imagine that, though. I guess she would have been able to vote anyway. Yeah, then she would. The funny thing is she would have been able to vote anyway and Cedric would have been able to vote anyway. But Cedric couldn't vote for Say or Mary.

[00:40:40] So Cedric's vote is already accounted for. He would have had to vote Justin no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. And then Say could choose to go Cedric or Justin at that point. Yeah. Then at that. So, yeah. So at that point, he has to vote for Justin. She probably votes for Justin if she chooses to vote for Cedric. And then it's a Cedric, Justin tie. They both vote and then Cedric doesn't have a say at the rock draw and say, I think that's right. Say would decide to send Cedric home. But no, Cedric, then they just vote out Justin.

[00:41:07] And Justin, without a vote here, without any protection, it looked like it was a tough situation. And you haven't even mentioned one of the other things about the disaster tribe. One of the major things that I'd love to talk about this with Justin, because it's like, OK, should he not have gotten rid of Kevin? And we can talk about that as maybe something he can wear. But one of the major things he was considering was like Kevin was really injured and he didn't want Kevin to be pulled and have them even more down in numbers.

[00:41:32] And that was like a major consideration. So, like, add that to the disaster tribe tally of how this is a tribe that was doing two concurrent two on ones last week. Who this week, it's even crazier. Like, it was insane. A shot in the dark hit. People lost their votes every week. Like last week, this week votes were lost. Like this was this was this was the most disaster disaster tribe I think we've ever seen. Like, I think they outlulu. It's too much. It's too much. It's a lot. But do you think that he should have kept Kevin?

[00:42:00] Was that a mistake of a marriage? I think so. I think so, because even though we can argue that Kevin was overcooking and trying to make a move this earlier, whatever the case, the fact of the matter is the two of them were kind of in the middle of this tribe and could have been fine. Now, would Justin have felt a little bit like he's on the outs? Maybe. Maybe we could argue that Kevin didn't do enough to make Justin feel secure.

[00:42:29] But I think that Kevin staying would have benefited Justin more than anybody else. Maybe Mary also benefits from that. But Kevin was not looking to write Justin's name. That was not happening. That was not in the cards. So I do think that letting that person go is not what is not the right move. And then especially if we're going to be results oriented.

[00:42:51] Yes, because keeping not keeping Kevin and keeping in Cedric and keeping in say ultimately causes Justin to leave. So. Okay, but in a 1% chance where everything goes wrong, like you say like Kevin didn't want to vote out Justin. And I did criticize that last week. Mary didn't want to vote out Justin either. Like I think it becomes would Kevin be able to be snowed enough not play shot in the dark? Because the thing about keeping Mary, she's so clearly on the bottom that she's going to do anything.

[00:43:20] So she's going to try and look for an idol, maybe find something. She's going to play shot in the dark, but you're still relying on firstly her finding something or hitting something. And to be fair, even if those things happen firstly in a different world where he doesn't lose his vote. So she hit shot in the dark, he's counter split. He should have said he should be fine. If she finds an idol say we'll suffer for that and can't even again split to the fact that Mary is clearly going after say and Cedric should be with him like in a world where he has his vote. He should be okay. And a world where Cedric just sticks with him through to the third round of sticking with him.

[00:43:50] He should be okay. So many of those things have to be wrong, even in taking out Kevin on the margins of it. I probably I didn't like it last week. I understand he was worried from an injury and I can't really speak to that without being a doctor out there. Like I think that it's probably a valid concern. But yeah, it becomes more like if Kevin is here at playing his shot in the dark the same. It's the same thing, you know, and he's lost his vote and then Cedric turns like all of that is the exact same.

[00:44:16] If he can snow Kevin not to play shot in the dark, it does take out that small risk compared to Mary. But even on Mary playing a shot in the dark, it should have been okay. He should still be able to split his vote that he now doesn't have. Cedric should still stick with him, you know, through through an idol. Mary will still be going through say through an idol like yeah, it really everything has to go wrong. I don't know that we can just put it on Kevin leaving when so many other things went wrong.

[00:44:42] They were unforeseeable and if just Cedric, you know, if even here he was almost home. He was home through two rounds of voting. He was so freaking close. Yeah, I'm not going to say that I'm going to put it all on him not keeping Kevin, but I also think that there were ways to avoid this, albeit measures that you wouldn't expect to need to take because what is the risk?

[00:45:06] You know, it's kind of almost like the whole thing of like, yeah, I could go to the store, but also I could lose my wallet. The house can burn down while I'm gone. I could get hit by a car. So maybe I just stay home because if I do that, that happens like well, that's not going to happen. So just go to the store. So it's almost like you. Why would you account for those things that could come out of nowhere and happen, but it also is survivor. So you got to think of all the steps.

[00:45:35] I don't know as an anxious person who does doomsday plan at all times. I don't think I recommend it, you know, that's the right way to do life. Well, no, I just think at this stage, if when you know when people do the they order the puzzles to like practice the puzzles or they'll get a Flint kid and try to make fire before they go. Pretend you don't have a vote.

[00:45:59] Play a mental game where you don't have a vote or have your friends organize an org where you don't have a vote for the next two rounds and just see what ways you can think of navigating that because honestly, at this point you should because whether it whether you would like to go on a journey or not, the reality is if your tribe decides we're just pulling straws, you might end up getting the unlucky straw or we're playing rock, paper, scissors.

[00:46:25] You accidentally win or the other tribe just picks you because they whatever the reason they have to think that they want to pick you. Then you're kind of in a spot where you have to just go ahead and deal with the idea that you lose your vote. So I think that that's something you should 100% practice. I think also similarly with like a beware advantage, I know a lot of people say, I don't want it. I want nothing to do with it. I think just play out that scenario that you do grab it because you do want it and see how that would go.

[00:46:54] Because at the end of the day, the show is all about adaptability and being able to, you know, excel in many different scenarios. And if you don't prep for those, they might come back to haunt you. Now, obviously, I have not talked to Justin. So I don't know if Justin has run through these scenarios and it's just again gotten very unlucky. But I feel like these are just basically what I'm saying is I've learned a lot watching this episode.

[00:47:18] So this is me talking to anybody in the future who's got the idea that they want to audition for getting on Survivor. Well, there's a couple of things like, yeah, I mean, losing his vote took out his agency as it would and definitely split potential, which was tough. And then I think the other thing is losing Cedric clearly like if Cedric is with him, this this cannot go badly. I can't think of the way this goes badly other than if he also has his vote.

[00:47:47] Well, I mean, but if Cedric is with him, it doesn't go badly. But other than Mary Hitschel in the dark, say splits on him, he goes home without, you know, on the one to zero. But again, if he has his vote, then he can counter split. But it really feels like so much of it was put on Cedric. And so is there something there that he underestimated Cedric's closeness to say, which was also a very valid relationship where Cedric's calling her like a daughter to him? Again, like he chooses Justin twice. So it's hard to put a lot on that. And then the other part of where I keep reaching the dead ends, I feel like I'm just in like in a maze.

[00:48:18] The dead ends is that like you couldn't get rid of say, you know, like she played like is it trying to blindside without the idol last time? But then again, are you putting off Cedric again on these tiny margins where like maybe Cedric goes against you because you've lost your vote because all you know, because shot in the dark is it on these tiny margins? Or are you not upsetting Cedric on like taking out his other number one, but maybe something around the fact that eventually, to be fair, say out muscles him and Cedric chooses say there's a loss there.

[00:48:44] It came at the, you know, only after total disaster otherwise, but if there's maybe something, but then again, he couldn't where's the opportunity for him to get rid of say is he doing that in the first tribal and making completely different decisions and the whole structure is different. He's possibly at the bottom of like a four with Mary, Steph and Kevin. Um, it last week is he trying to take her out and have her not play the idol and then kind of upset Cedric and go more with Kevin and Mary.

[00:49:09] Again, it's changing the whole structures on doomsday planning. I don't know that I suggest that he chose, he chose Cedric, but eventually when push came to absolute shove, Cedric didn't choose him. So maybe it wasn't about as investing in investing as much in Cedric knowing Cedric also had say maybe it's about trying to cut say and maybe losing parts of Cedric to that. But then again, is that so results oriented because Cedric chosen twice? I feel like I'm grasping at straws to find out where the wrongdoing is here for him.

[00:49:38] I don't know. I don't know. It will, it will haunt me. Why? Cause it's not fair. Season come and go. There's a new cast around the corner. There's a new season around the corner. We gotta, we gotta move on. You know, usually this is the thing with Americans, but he should be more litigious. Like we've seen Australian Survivor, they sue the show all the time. He probably has an airtight contract, but there's going to be something that he's suing for damages, emotional distress and the way that this went. Surely.

[00:50:08] I mean, at the end of the day, as a fan, you get to go on the show, experience the show, and you have one of the most WTF exits of all time. That's a fun story that you are there with. No, I mean, listen, the reality is. He didn't go home with an idol in his pocket. You know what I mean? Like you didn't go home with the what if I played that idol? It was so out of his hands at moments where it's like, it is what it is. Like, what am I gonna say?

[00:50:37] It's like, there's really nothing that can be done. And I some, I kind of love when stuff like that happens to me and maybe this is me where I'm like, I literally couldn't have done anything else for the most part. And that's kind of the best way to go. You know how like when people are, when like drawing rocks happened and Tyson was like, I'll go last. It's like fate decides. I don't have to think about what if I took the one to the left of it, to the right of it. You just, it is what it is.

[00:51:03] Like it kind of takes away the agency from your hands a little bit. And in this situation, we've literally have spent 50 minutes discussing what are some of the moments that could have been altered to go right. But at the end of the day, like, could he have seen those coming? Not really. So I'm, I think as a fan, I'd be like good with this. This is a, again, best case scenario is you win the game. Worst case scenario is you go home first.

[00:51:30] Yeah. The middle somewhere is an egg. You are going to get voted out and it's just a matter of, well, maybe I didn't make jury or maybe I didn't make the merge. But you know what you did do? Have one of the most WTF exits of all time. Like when Peridium inevitably makes that list, guess what? This is on there. So at the end of the day, if nothing, it's a fun icebreaker story.

[00:51:53] Yeah, that's a good story. I do agree that the ultimate would you rather has always been would you rather like it was in your hands or it wasn't. And for me, 100%, like I mean, I blame myself too much for everything anyway. Like I can't take when I say something wrong on a podcast, let alone if I did something horribly wrong on the show. Like small example, very different. Last year I had a car accident. And at first I assumed it was my fault because everything's my fault in my mind.

[00:52:21] Like one time, literally, I almost got stabbed and I was apologizing to the guys. He was trying to stab me. It's a whole thing, but it's something I'm working through in therapy. But the point is that like, I assumed it was my, whatever. I was fine. He didn't stab me, but it was, it was bad. But anyway, back to the car accident, I assumed it was my fault because I hit a cyclist and I was like, you know, first, like the main thing was he was okay. But also I was like, how did I do this? And then within a few minutes I was like, oh my God, he was driving the wrong way. And once I realized that I was like, oh my God, this wasn't my fault.

[00:52:51] And the relief in my mind, like I would, true, if I went on Survivor, I would pray that I could not be held accountable to actions, that it was completely out of my hands. And I have learned that literally firsthand in my life because the app, like the first release was he was fine. The second release though, was that he was driving the wrong way down the road. I thank him every day for that. Um, thank God. Anyway, was this a fine example? I think that makes sense that you, yeah, you want, you want, you surely do not want to be the reason that you went home.

[00:53:21] No, I mean, let me give you an example that's not as important in my life. Um, I remember vividly in the Survivor 45 draft, uh, because we love talking about drafts. I was like, yeah, no, not even at all. It's much more important than the car accident. Believe me, I wouldn't say so.

[00:53:41] I want to, it's fine. I remember thinking, I remember trying to read the rest of the drafters and I was like, you know, I have a feeling if I pick Bruce here, I can pick D in the next round. And I wanted D on my team. Um, and then when Asia took D I was just like, man, bummer, but whatever, it's fine. And then when D wins, I went back to that moment. I was like, you dummy, you could have picked her right there and you didn't.

[00:54:05] And like, it's like, it is what it is. Like I, you know, I shouldn't think about it like that because ultimately who cares? But I mean, obviously I get that. So, I mean, I knew this would resonate with you, um, for sure. Um, but I mean, it's like, I had the pick, I made the pick. Whereas if you're 18th pick and someone else leaves you a pick, I know, like, well, I wanted this person. But my hands were legitimately tight. I couldn't do anything about that.

[00:54:32] So no, I, I don't like ever get over, you know, I, I, at any opportunity where I can call myself a dummy, I will do it. Again, it's something I'm working through with therapy. So at any opportunity where I can then not take blame is actually very important for me. Something that I've learned to my own life. One of the reasons I probably couldn't go on survivor because again, I can't podcast about the show. Even this very complicated podcast, I will look back and be like, did I say that wrong? And then I will still, it's not good.

[00:54:56] Um, I'm, I'm doing this knowing full well that someone in the comments, like, we was not like figuring everything out. He didn't understand everything. Did he? And the reality is like, well enough, I'm a dummy. No, you are not. If you, but if you quiz me right now, I think I'll fail it. But I don't think so. I think in the moment, I think I delivered the goods. So it's good enough. It's good. Well, it's best to just not think about it again. But again, that's an impossibility for me. Anyway, this has become therapy. Not on, and I'm talking about my car accident. I almost got stabbed.

[00:55:25] We're healing Shannon. We're healing. Do you understand the levels of therapy when I realized that like, because a guy was like trying to stab me and I was in my car. And then he was like, the fact that I realized I assume I was like, he probably had a point. He was like, no, crazy. He was on drugs. It wasn't my fault. I've realized now. No, no, it was not. Oh my God. I know. I know. I thought because I'm sitting in my car with my low level lights on that he was fairly like, that's annoying, you know?

[00:55:55] And that's fair game. It's like, you know what? Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. Well, I didn't think he should try to stab me, but I was like, maybe he has a point. I was like, don't call the police on me. He was like, you call the police. And I was like, all right. It was a lot. Anyway, the point is, where were we? Oh, I wanted to talk about Mary and her idol, her fake idol. I got a lot of messages. People were excited that Mary did what I always say to do, which is act like you have an idol. You want to, you don't want to be like, well, I might have an idol, which she kind of did one time. She was like, we'll see. I didn't like that. Everything else was great.

[00:56:25] Everything else was like, it's just my time and the way that they were suspicious of her. I thought that was the right way to do it. And it didn't work out for reasons we can talk about, but it was the right tact. And I liked that. I mean, I think that I can't like the whole we'll see thing. Once you're directly confronted about it, there's really not much. You have to answer them unless you give a hit them with a silent wall. Like she has to give them something and the who knows we'll find out it's like about as best as you can do. But I think it's so underrated.

[00:56:54] I would be more like, it's my time. Like it was that like acceptance of death that really got them. I don't think that's why it didn't work out, but I think that that's how you push it. I think the most underrated part of the episode is the getting back home from the challenge and immediately just going for a swim.

[00:57:13] Just like just going for a swim and just laying there like it's a lazy river and you're relaxing because it throws them for a loop, especially because she put the legwork in early of like juking, say, and running around looking for it. That it's so now out of character for her to just be sitting still that their tail spinning, they have no idea why that's happening. And that was awesome. I love that. Just the fact that it messed with their minds enough was great.

[00:57:41] And honestly, there's a world where, you know, say leaves and Mary's like, well, that worked out for me. That worked out for me real nice. But again, credit where credits do. Thankfully, the shot in the dark worked because if it didn't, I would have been heartbroken. So I am a happy person. Well, the issue is for Mary is that even if they suspect it, there's not a lot that can be done.

[00:58:06] Like I was surprised that say didn't push it further to try and change Mary's vote of what would clearly be say like go to her and be like, why don't the two of us vote Justin? But then even if that happens, firstly, it's just a two to where she's definitely going to turn on you in the re-vote or she's lying to you anyway. And you've just voted Justin and you're out three to one. And I think that that was the issue where she's like, oh, well, if say splits, that's good for me. It actually like isn't really that good.

[00:58:30] It's still going to be like a two one one or even without Justin's vote, it's going to be a Mary vote, a Justin vote because she split and say she doesn't play a shot in the dark, a say vote. Even without Justin's vote, they'll just come back and vote out Mary on the re-vote and say we'll just turn on her there. So unfortunately, even just like getting say to split, which it should have been enough. Well, not on the idol again, as I've said that there's no point there for say, but just on a shot in the dark should have been enough to say.

[00:58:55] But I just don't think there's ever enough there where say is the one who's incentivized to try and get something done with Mary as Mary's possible target with an idol. And even then it's getting a best to a two to where she's on the re-vote. So the shot in the dark became a very obvious pathway. So I just don't think that there was enough there that she could do, because why will like Justin and Cedric be like, yeah, we'll vote with you on say it's like, no, OK, if you have an idol great, you'll vote for say. And if you don't, you'll go home. You know, there's there's too many outs for them.

[00:59:24] And there's too many outs in general to kind of have the plan actively shift where her vote becomes necessary. So she plays the shot in the dark, which was the right. Do you think there's a world where Mary can still play the gambit of, yeah, well, I still have my idol. I just wanted to take the shot in the dark risk first because then I have my idol for another day. I mean, she should do that. Definitely. That'd be fun. Yeah. I need to go back and see how she celebrates the shot in the dark. But you would celebrate anyway. It's a huge moment. Yeah.

[00:59:54] I mean, yeah, you have a backup. You have a backup ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, she should definitely do that. She should definitely. I mean, because we always say, right, this would Josh Kettles always says about the shot and the idol chaser. So she would have just done that to try to keep the idol and it worked in this world. And she still has her idol. Yeah, I think if you're yeah, if you're there's a night where you're trying to play like you're looking to just be safe.

[01:00:23] I think 100% do the shot in the dark first, because then if you save it, you have a bonus for later. And if it misses, then you just use it right then and you're still safe anyway. Yeah. Okay. I've got a couple of other finicky things about this. Firstly, it's mainly this in a world where we see it. So Mary shot in the dark is hit. They go back on the re vote and only say and Cedric can vote. But in this world, Cedric goes for say as we saw, but say votes for Cedric, not Justin.

[01:00:53] Now. Do what happens here? Because I was talking to Chris new Bickey about this. And by the way, it is one of the great joys of my life that when a weird episode happens, Christian. Have you done a tour of all the survivors here? Like you've gotten a lot of opinions on this. They, but he's like, what do you think about the rules? And I was like, Christian, I love that you come to me about this. Like genuinely, it's one of the joys of my life. And that actually maybe makes how the game being broken worth it for me. Because then Christian and I talk about the re vote rules. And I'm like, one day we have to podcast about this, which we absolutely do.

[01:01:21] But we, we chat about it in the DMS and it's the name dropper Gus over here. Well, this is what I need to name drop Christian because I, we disagree. I will. I thought that say, and, and Cedric would make fire. He thought that Justin would go to the unanimous decision without the ability to come to consensus because he doesn't have a vote and be order rocked out. And I wouldn't have come to that conclusion myself. That's just a pure Chris new Bickey opinion. Which one do you think?

[01:01:51] You think what you think what I feel like there's like, I feel like at least with what we got, there's a through line that I can follow. I cannot follow this alternate scenario. I can do it. We can do it. No, that wasn't a challenge. That was not a challenge. Listen in this world, say in Cedric have voted for each other. So they're the only two targets and then Mary and Justin don't have votes. So no one can go to the rocks discussion. So does Justin go to rocks, but not be able to pull a rock. We will not be able to come to a decision because he doesn't have a vote and get order rocked out. Or just say in Cedric, just make fire.

[01:02:21] They're not going to fire enough. I never thought I would say that, but you would think it would be more. More going to fire. I say Shaheen ahead of his time with his take in the preseason. I think they go to fire. I think it was just say V Cedric, Justin and Mary are like, basically not. They're not, they're not voting. They're voting against each other. It's a deadlock. I think they go to fire. I think they do. Not for nothing. I feel like, especially with fire making being a part of the game.

[01:02:49] Now with it being the fight, like you have to do it a final four or two people have to. That means most players are going to be prepared for that. Why not have that be what happens there in a deadlock situation? Because you know what the show is not going to want Shannon is to be like, yeah, we forced this, this person to not have a vote. And now they are forced to automatically rock draw out of the game because they didn't have one. That's on them. That's on them at that point. I mean, I think they would be like, first time ever.

[01:03:21] I think they'd probably like that. But it was time ever. We voted out, Justin. We did. We did this. It's possible that that would happen. It is. And it would be infuriating. I think I'm out of context account. Don't take we need to go to fire more and put that on the account. Firstly, is that now they're gonna rule one on one. When you don't want an out of context, you do not mention the person you want to avoid. Well, honestly, fire would be the go there.

[01:03:49] That would be definitely better than auto rocking Justin out and he'd only be slightly more screwed than he even was. All right. So what you're going to do is you're going to take the first thing she said about fire making and the second thing and stitch them together and make it one big tweet. Well, how much does the show realize we're thinking about this? The show knows that I was meant to take this week off. And now I'm here talking about this. Like how much do they think about what we're gaming about what they're putting out there?

[01:04:18] I feel like the show is having a beer somewhere, not even thinking about this. Like on to the next episode. It's it's it's a romantic relationship where the one like it's a different attachment styles where one person's just does not care. And then the rest of us are all like me and Kristen are in the DM. Like what would have happened? And they're like, if what happens? And I'm like, if that and they're like, what? And that is it genuinely like last week, I talked about how I didn't like the the numbers mechanism, you know, that to choose one to five.

[01:04:48] And then I really enjoyed the whole week. People were discussing how to gain the numbers mechanism, you know, like a majority can choose like, you know, one to three to make sure, you know, one to four. A majority can make sure that like that one of them will always go. People in the minority will just like team up with, you know, other numbers, but one of them will always go. And I was like, that would be terrible for production because it's like not antisocial, but they've gained it to actually keep the outsiders out. And then I was like, does the show think that we're gaming this all week?

[01:05:18] Or did they think that's a little game? And I don't know. It haunts me. That in the car. I want to say it shouldn't and give you reassurances. I have a feeling that won't change anything, Shannon. So I'll just. No. Your feelings are valid. I think more about the show than they do. It's my. But and then that's a very high bar because I think about it a lot. But I'm just saying that, like, it's a little. Yeah. It's a lot of exciting. Right. Yeah.

[01:05:47] There's people in the fandom that I've had the pleasure of meeting that have made me realize maybe I am a casual because I thought I was a fan fan. You are one of the people said mention. Yes. I love it because I do think after this, I did get a lot of questions about like people cared. Andy cared. Christian cared. Other names dropped cared. And and the listeners cared and they care about the gaming the mechanism of going. They know who to go to. They know who cares the most. We really have found our tiny little community of weirdos.

[01:06:17] They can add a context to that if you want. I mean, that's why I get all the questions about traders. They're like, yeah, please gonna listen. What please thought is and I'm like, I got you. Yeah. Survivor. I'm a passenger, baby. I had to. I had to podcast about it this week because again, it was our group of people who were like, but what would happen in this scenario? And that is beyond. But I will say as well over now into this podcast, we've spoken about Vula. We've done therapy. I'll mention the other times, which is valid because I've not started playing yet. Well, I'll talk about it.

[01:06:46] Them at the Chisney a little bit when we get into that now. But I just I think it's fair that we've done this an hour on Vula and just Vula alone. Yeah. I mean, they took most of the episode. So why not? Yeah. Okay, we'll get to it a little bit. But honestly, there's so little there comparatively that they just in different universes from Vula. But take it away. Jacob, they go. I see an empty girl. One, two, three. One, one, three. One, two, three. It's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of cheesy.

[01:07:16] Three, two, one. The charts are so sad. Look at Justin. Look at Kevin. Devastating. People who are the two people from the premiere, Justin and Kevin, were like, they're at the top of the tribe. Now the people at the top of the tribe technically are Say and Mary. Like we, we went, we went on a journey. And again, 12 people have not seen Travel Council. And that's where we're at, which is crazy. Who are your chizzy points?

[01:07:43] And who, what are your thoughts generally about who you want to reward here? First of all, justice to my guy, Chappelle, who's not going to know what this feels like, as I am the only non-Survivor AU alum getting to dish out some chizzies on Survivor US. I'm very excited. Didn't we cover like a 43 episode once? I mean, listen, your mind is definitely a lot more intact than my mind. So. That was a sound intact. Did I come across as stable on this podcast?

[01:08:13] Your memory is stronger than mine. That's fair. I'm not going to recall. Good memory. Yeah. Okay. So where do I want to give my points here? You're fighting for chizzy points. Now you're giving them twice today. I know. I'm blessed. What can I say? You know, you, you manifest things in this world and you get them. Okay. All right. Um, I'm noticing Shannon. There's a person on the Vula tribe that has yet to receive a chizzy point. True. And I think it's time we change that.

[01:08:43] Okay. It's time we change that. And in this moment, I would like to go ahead and give three points to Mary. Three points to Mary. This is what happens when you give me ammunition. What? I thought you were going to give one point to Mary. Mary was going down as a kid wanting to go to the top. I will be very honest. I'll be very honest. I'm very fluid and willing to change my mind because we have not talked about 12 other people.

[01:09:11] So I almost would have rather you go first, but Mary's getting points. Mary's getting points here and here's why. Right. It's there. Yeah. I think seeing that Mary and say can look at each other and game respect game is huge. I think we don't see this kind of relationship enough on survivor where two people are not gelling or they're looking at getting each other up, but they can also be like, you know what? I respect that. I hearing Mary say I love playing this game would say because she keeps making she makes

[01:09:38] it fun by giving me the work around and whatever we're doing right now. And I wouldn't want to play this any other way. Love that. I think also credit to Mary for not only giving everything she has to try and find an idol, but also in the event that she doesn't find an idol is able to play it cool. I do not think it is like, you know, we've talked about a lot about our psyche on these things. Shannon, I don't think I would do well if I go back to the beach knowing that they're

[01:10:07] probably putting my name down. I don't think I could handle it as calmly as Mary did. Now, granted, Mary might be like, listen, my number has been coming up. So if this shot in the dark doesn't work, you know what? Geez, I tried. I understand that. But in the moment, it would still be aching at me at the idea that I am going and the idea that I should probably not look anymore because I'm probably not going to find it. Like it's a she didn't give up.

[01:10:33] And I think that's the fun thing, because typically people will associate giving up to or not giving up to. Oh, she spent the entire time leading the travel looking for the idol. But I don't think she gave up. She just made a more passive looking move. That was actually a very fun mental warfare move, which did throw say in the blender a little bit did throw a little bit of like, oh, where should we vote? Should we split, not split, whatever. And I think that was fun.

[01:11:00] And then ultimately had the safest seat in the entire tribal council the minute she gets the safety and she gets a first row seat to watch this monumental first time ever knowing full well, no matter what these three have up their sleeves or do, I'm not going home tonight. And I think that was awesome. And then by being a passive viewer of this tribal Shannon, she is given a golden ticket.

[01:11:29] She is one half of the now play nice. You two need to be friends now and move forward. Yeah, Mary's going back home, back to try back to Vula before that interaction going back to Vula like I'm safe tonight. No matter what, I'm probably cook next time because I also don't want to be shot in the dark anymore. Maybe I find the idol who knows. And now she has what a potential ally up her sleeve because she did not vote for say twice here. Cedric did. And also Cedric said you two be friends.

[01:12:00] So to me, all of those are Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary, which is why actually I know I said I'm more fluid on it. I changed my mind. Call me fickle three points to Mary. Let's get her on the board. Now. I see it. I wouldn't give three points. I will give an honorable mention. I think the thing for me with Mary is while I think that bluffing the idol was done very well. Again, it doesn't work and there aren't enough outs for how it can help with the others have too many outs for how they can kind of target her regardless.

[01:12:28] And it doesn't actually change anything as much as it was a good attempt. Then choosing to play the shot in the dark was definitely a really good, like the right move. But I can't just give points for that's results oriented that it hit, you know, like in a different world, it doesn't hit. And she goes, I mean, a lot of people know they're on the bottom and play this on the dark. I can't give three points for it, let alone one. But I definitely give an honorable mention. She didn't do anything wrong in this episode, but I think that a lot, most of how she furthered herself was like things hit well. As much as she made good decisions, there wasn't a lot she could do.

[01:12:58] But those small decisions were maximized to that. Her on that. That's we spent an hour talking about how unlucky Justin is. Mary was the luckiest person in this episode. She was. That's not what she's for though. Well, it is to me. My other option was Shaheen for three points just because he's my Persian king. So how would that have felt?

[01:13:23] That would have been silly in an episode where it feels like he leapfrogged in stars number one or two. And Tom and Bianca get that. My six points go to the people we didn't see this episode. Chrissy's getting two points and here's why I'm just kidding. We do that a lot on Australian Survivor. I think there was enough here that people are doing actively good things. There's a lot of good options. I mean, well, the first thing I'll say before we get to the other tribes is I'm giving three points to say she fought and won the battle to keep herself there. I get every single step of this pre swap.

[01:13:52] She has muscle at every point, even though she didn't split the vote. It's a small criticism. She pulls Cedric over the line in a baffling way for Cedric. And while it's Cedric's mistake, say is the one. And the same way that you credit. And I do credit Mary for that, but the same way that you credit the respect that Mary and say have for each other. Like I'm crediting say on that as well. The fact that Mary likes say, and while we're talking about it being anti-social gameplay, but she now has a fairly good relationship with say where it feels like they could work together in the future.

[01:14:20] You can definitely credit Mary on that. And you can credit say, and I am three points for say on this. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Yes. Earlier in this very podcast, you did mention that you like to penalize players who are targeted, who get votes. And say received votes from her, from what she believed to be her number one ally twice. Yeah. Should just me.

[01:14:49] But the thing is that then she ends up winning it. And while she does receive votes, it's votes where at first. And again, as I said, Justin could try to get Cedric to split a vote and Cedric won't. So Cedric is prioritizing say, and yes, say gets votes when a shot in the dark hits. It's meant to be a three on one on Mary. And then there are very, very few other options. And while Cedric does choose Justin first and Justin could probably get a memorial chizzy point, considering how this went, eventually say does win out. She takes cheap fights to take the target off. And I feel like she, she earns that.

[01:15:19] She, she literally battled for her spot in the game and won and comes out with a relationship with Mary. That is a credit to her and Mary. There's, there's more than enough there. I think. Um, she was a target, but who could like everyone except Cedric was a target. I'm not going to give Cedric points. Like it was very, very musical chairs, you know, at a point. Um, now we can talk about the other tribes. Cause that's where I'm kind of going. Um, fever are so interesting. Cause they're so congenial. Like even Camilla coming back now and like sharing the extra, which I thought was great.

[01:15:48] Cause extra votes are useless. Mitch has shared his advantage, his block of vote too. This tribe to me, like they've never had to play out any cracks. Like I don't think that either of these tribes have any real cracks other than star and Eva, which speaks for itself. But otherwise I think that if any of them wind up on the swap together, I know the tribes are out there. I just haven't really looked at it, but I think any one can work together other than even star from all of fever and all of laggy. I think I saw that even start together. Yeah.

[01:16:14] But other than that, other than that, um, I think everyone's super congenial. So for Siva, I'm really looking at like a Kyle. Kyle, who's so central Kyle. Who's looked at in both alliances. Um, he has an idol. I really love from car. I think some people were making fun of this online, but I love it was such a sweet moment when David's coming to him. And I love the complexity we got from David. But when David's like, you know, I live in a trailer and my dad's property is like, that's so cool, man. And it was so sweet. And David's like, it is not cool, but he was trying. And it was so earnest. He's like, does your dad have a big property?

[01:16:42] He's like, no, it's just like a house. He was trying so hard. It was just a little too quick of a response. You know, like he, if he had said it with two more seconds delay, I think it's a lot more calm than immediate snap. Like sick man. It's like, no, it was, it was so funny way to instinctively respond with like the best of intentions. And I know some people thought it was like tone deaf, but I loved it. And he is the person that Mitch is coming to. And he is so central.

[01:17:10] And like, if he ends up on a trip with anyone from Siva, let alone his idol, I think he's well good to go. So I'm giving two points to Kyle. And then on Laggy, I'm going to give a point to Thomas, who I also feel is in like such a good spot. Like again, he leapfrogs what would look like Joe and Shaheen for Starz Alliance. Eva throws out Bianca and Thomas's names, which was obviously a terrible unforced error. And they create this alliance, but he still also has the guys. Like, I feel like he's also really good with everyone.

[01:17:37] He's super close to Bianca and Bianca hilariously tells him that she lost her vote. And he doesn't share that he has a vote steal, which completely solves that issue. Like not only does he have something, but it like completely solves her problem of not having a vote. Assuming they're together. And he doesn't tell her, which I kind of feel like you can tell your number one about something like a vote steal. Again, you're going to need allies to make a vote steal work. It's not an idol, it's not an individual advantage. But I just like his spot and he's my last draft pick left.

[01:18:07] So that's kind of where I see these other tribes. But I think there are a lot of, you know, David's been approached from Siva on both sides. Like Star, I actually think has, you know, she got herself into like some sort of alliance. Like I think you could like, it's not been a good situation, but I think she's on the up. Like, I think there are some good options for the people who have not yet started playing the game. But where were you thinking if you're two in one?

[01:18:28] Well, it's interesting because I do feel like with Star, Star is someone I never would have anticipated being in the conversation to get a point on the juicy charts this season, just off the first two episodes. Yeah. But then in this episode, the fact that she somehow was it falls into her lap, this information that, oh, maybe the puzzler should go from Eva and she runs that to the right people. Yeah, immediately like I don't know about that. Then, you know, we need to make sure you get your vote so we can get rid of them.

[01:18:55] The problem is they're going to swap and I know that they're going to swap. So it's like that information is good if they were all to come back together again, but they're not and they're not going to tribal as a six. So that payoff we won't see. And you know what? I didn't know that Shannon. What I didn't check is which beach star is going to be at because if star is not on.

[01:19:18] Oh, then that's blessed because she could still potentially solve the the the thingy to get. Like we've seen Hunter get beware like right before the boat pulls up anyway, but I think she's still on the beach. But yeah, there's still potential. There's still time. Yeah.

[01:19:35] But because I hadn't got it in my mind once you find me where you have it like last week when I did the podcast, I definitely felt like that because it's been a minute like you think by this point it would have been found is not especially when you consider the fact that the other ones got solved very quickly. Yeah, I genuinely didn't think about it until this week. Yeah. Yeah. But I like the idea of and I and I you know, this is my own personal.

[01:19:59] I like the idea of adding more people to the chizzy board and you've already gone ahead and gotten Kyle in there, which was going to be one of mine. You can still do that. Yeah, I know. I'm just wondering my options. All right. Hey, I'm looking at the menu. I'm just you know, I'm still browsing while the I don't get that because I've looked at the menu before I like online. I always look and I know exactly what I want for a good restaurant. I feel like you do things differently. No, I look at the menu on the car on the way to the place and then I don't know what I want when I get there.

[01:20:28] I'm still sure that's different. Sometimes the online menu is a little outdated or doesn't have all the stuff on that on the main menu. Then you're like, unless of course, is a QR code spot, which then it's like the same menu on both. Yeah. But some place I'm like, oh, my God, I didn't know that was an option. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it does. It does add a layer of complexity to the whole thing. Um, places in this podcast. Barely fever and laggy, but we've gone to other places.

[01:20:57] Yeah, no, it's been a journey and we've not had to risk our votes, which is great. And I don't have to risk my. You know, you were kind of forced to be on this journey with me, kind of like Justin. And listen, I've had a good time. So and I'm not getting voted out. So life's good. Uh, OK, so I think in order to make everything a little more simple, I'll go ahead and give my two points to Kyle. Kyle is truly in the center of it all has an idol.

[01:21:27] Um, will I believe get swapped in with Camilla, which is not too shabby. Um, I mean, is going to get swapped into a group that has a three majority California girls in it. But they have an extra vote and an idol amongst them. That's not a bad place to be. The California girls have a vote steal. Oh, God, this is already irritating. But also more important. That's the tribe. That tribe is never going to tribal council. So that's exactly they're safe.

[01:21:56] They're safe. You know what? Let me double check. Cause if I'm wrong, the comments are going to be like, hey, dummy, that's not what the tribe. That is right. That is right. Cause I remember looking at that and thinking there's a lot of advantages there. I said I didn't internalize or really look at it, but I guess I glossed it and it did. Yeah. That tribe isn't going to tribal unless something absolutely goes wrong. Mill and Thomas on puzzles. And then the three guys killing it on the, like physically, like there's just, I just can't imagine. They're cooking. They're cooking with fire. They're going to be fine. Yeah. But yeah, I feel good.

[01:22:25] And I feel like Kyle is someone who, even though he might be quick to be like that sick, I think that he's a people person. And I think that meeting new people is going to only work well for him. So we'll give him the up there. Um, and then my one, I feel like I could go with say, and maybe you will not like what I'm about to say next. They has a lot of points. I'm going to not go with say, don't do that. Don't do it. Then I want to pull the charts up. If you're going to do a base on the shot.

[01:22:56] Didn't someone fix it last season where three people won the chizzy. Didn't that happen? Um, someone did that. I don't remember who it was though. Yeah. So all is fair in love and chizzy. And I'm doing the chizzy at the moment is what I'm saying. I think it was Nick. Nick did that. Yeah. Oh, wow. And it was Nick Iodanza who did this. He's always doing stuff with the chizzy. It's crazy. What a lovely, what a lovely man.

[01:23:25] Um, man after my own heart. Yes. You were on the same page, Nick. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to give my one point to, Oh God, I'm trying to think of everybody. I'm trying to think all my options. You don't even know you want to give it to say that you don't even have an other, there's another option. You know what? Oh, this might, I'm giving it to Shaheen. No, no, not in this episode. Why?

[01:23:56] He had a confessional where he talked about stuff and he's like, you know, he's cool. He, if anything, people turned against him technically, maybe with no, it wasn't him specifically. He was like good with style last week and our stars not with him. And he's like a third to Joe and Eva who aren't even necessarily in power on a tribe that you wouldn't think would swap and was never going to travel council in a million hundred years.

[01:24:23] But yeah, but then now he's going to be with the California girls. The fact that the swaps are going to work out well for him is definitely not something to a given points for this episode or at all. That's again, luck and not even what's happening today. That's a Twitter thread that showed what the tribes were. I don't even know which technically be talking about it. You know what? You should take this up with Mike Bloom because he's the one who told me where everyone's going. No, I'm not going to give it a shine. I just wanted to do that first. Or I'm going to take away all your shizu coins one day. I just, that's so not fair.

[01:24:53] I've earned my spot. I've earned my spot. I ate my greens. Now I get to have my dessert. That's how things work. Who are you giving the point to? I mean, you're not wrong. I feel like I'm holding the podcast hostage. I don't even remember who your other points. Yeah, literally. I'm going to marry two to Kyle. And I'm pondering my last one to say you thought maybe to say. No, I wasn't going with say.

[01:25:19] What about like Mitch, Mitch, who kind of get something with car going David, who's also seemingly going good with people. And he's also in the middle with Kyle there. These options. I'm going to give it to David. I'm going to give it to David. Okay. Yeah. See, we'll give it to David. You know, we did learn more about David this week, but also I feel like David has been a surprise for a lot of people.

[01:25:46] And actually I rescinded and here's why I feel like as much as I've learned about David, I still do not know what David looks like going to tribal council. Whereas some of these other players on, on Siva, I can picture it. And it's because they've spoken a little bit more about what, how they would play. I don't know that about David. I'm going to rescind that offer. I am going to go ahead and give it to star. Give it to star. This has been more painful than that car accident that I had for the cycle.

[01:26:14] That's so mean to say I've done nothing wrong. I've done nothing. I know. And much like the car accident. But I didn't. So. Okay. Much like me and the car accident. This was not my fault. This was you. It was a car crash. It was, it was, it was, it was a lot. It was physically painful. So you went what Mary. Then you went Kyle. Then you went. And. Star.

[01:26:43] Who did you go with the last star star. So not even David, not even Jay, not even say you look, you look again star. Okay. And I think that's fine. Star solidified something like obviously stars. Star is full of consensus first there, but star solidified a little something and is getting a small, but you said not to consider the swap as an option. So that's fine. Um, yeah, I mean, it's either points are fine. The destination was fine.

[01:27:11] The journey was one of the painful things I've ever been through. That's so mean to say when you talked about how tough this episode was for you. That was tough. I sat here and listen to you talk about seven permutations of the outcome that you talked with 19 survivor players, and you disagreed with all of them. And I listened to all of that. And I didn't say nothing. And now I'm, I'm the me. I'm the, I'm the villain. I'm the villain on this. Okay. You know what? I'm giving it to Cedric. What now?

[01:27:40] I'm giving the point to Cedric. Then what do we do? No, you've already locked in star. I'm sorry. I've locked it in. No, Randy Newpool, survivor fact checker. He gave us a star. I'm texting Christian Ubiqui right now. And we're going to get Christian on it. You're going to see all the survivors are going to come after you. Every person I've ever named dropped. You know what? Andy, Dwight, Christian, I agreed with your theories. I agreed with what you think should happen. Unlike Shannon. Just saying. Just saying. I don't think Christian usually disagreed. We were more talking macro. Anyway, the point.

[01:28:08] You know what you should do, Shannon, is you should invite Chappelle for episode five. You're both uninvited from Australian survivor. Why should Chappelle been dragged into it? Because I'm going to move. We're recording that right after this. You want me to dip? I'll dip. Why would you do that? I'm going to come into the Australian survivor podcast so heated and people will not understand why. We're recording that in 15 minutes. Yeah. Why are you done? Anyway, say he ends up, has left us on nine points.

[01:28:37] He's won this section of the chizzy and it's right. I just. I'm broken. Why? Why? Why? You walking there? Okay, I'll see you in five minutes. We're going to do Australian survivor. Yeah. I'm going to just text Christian and see if he can fill in on an Australian survivor podcast in five minutes. I'm better than Christian. Yeah. I don't know how to wrap this up.

[01:29:08] Well, Shannon, we had a fun time here. We talked theories. We had some anarchy, but this episode was anarchy. So it makes sense that the recap of it was similar. So where can people find your guest? Oh, great. Thank you, Shannon. It was lovely to be here with you. You can find me on all socials at Puyas and find me on Twitch. That's where I am when I'm not podcasting. But I am podcasting about a couple of shows right now. I'm 90 day fiance hot mess express. Check that out. Myself and Liana hit our 10th episode of the Puy and Liana lounge.

[01:29:35] We did a hot ones challenge on the pod, hot wings, hot questions, fun stuff. Check that out. And then of course, tune in myself and Shannon talking Australian survivor once a week. They call me the middle man because I talk about the middle episode. So check that out. Have fun with that on a Tuesday while you're having your coffee and your Australian survivor too. Well, Monday, then the next day Monday. I'm going to get a Saturday night into it. Well, in America, they were Monday.

[01:30:04] Monday. Enjoy your coffee and Australian survivor too. Thanks Shannon for having me. Yeah, I am. I threw my head back in like disbelief and annoyance and now I hit my chair. That's what I had an injury and injury from this podcast based on your antics. Anyway, I'll see you in five minutes for Australia survivor. We're covering Australia survivor many, many times a week. Check that out. Check that out. Tell who you are. Mike feedback show this week with Zach, Omar and Marianne. It'd be a chaotic week.

[01:30:35] And then next week on global. We have Eden. I'm like, you know, I wasn't going to do this podcast. I'm so glad I did. You really made it feel like this was the right decision. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy that that's the that's the feeling you've had out of this. Yeah. Thank you to all the people who have reached out in concern because the week that I had, it was a lot. And with some of the podcast being canceled, but I'm glad we got to do global as much as it was an absolute nightmare and a literal headache. I am glad that we got to Elaine. Was this good?

[01:31:03] Were you happy or were you distraught about it? Because you can't be both. You can't feel like this was great and also screw you. You can't do that to me. I think I can. I had fun and I'm I'm just at the end of my table. You know what? I'll check in with you when you're talking to Omer. And now the Omer is going to make you want to pull your hair out because that man is is a lot. So I'll sit the same. Yeah. Okay, well, see you in five minutes for a Strand survivor. If you if you if you aren't checking out the Strand survivor coverage, you're missing

[01:31:32] this like you're missing this every week. What are you what are you doing time? We know global survivor.com at Shannon Gates for everything. Eden next week. Thank you all. Apologies. We went to places. I don't even know what this podcast was. It was what I expected. Yeah, I know I did. Let's do an Easter egg for them. If they listen to this far into our antics, put a comment on the YouTube.

[01:31:56] And that comment is going to be put a cinnamon in the comments with cinnamon in the comments. All right. Or on like Twitter or or yeah, Twitter blue sky. Yeah, whatever. Hit us with the cinnamon. Thank you all. We we we humbly apologize. I apologize for Pooja for my colleague. And I thank you for checking us out. Lack of professionalism and we'll see you guys on Strand survivor five minutes from now. For us. Okay.

[01:32:25] Bye everyone. Uh, thank you to the team listeners who yeah, I guess. All right. Bye. Survivor is saying. Survivor New Zealand. Survivor. Survivor. Wizards. 21 South Africa. 12 ordinary Australians. 12 million pounds. One million pounds. 1 million pounds. 1 million. Miljone Euro. Schkolli. Altium.

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