Survivor Global: The Secret To The New Era Early Game | S47 Premiere with Caroline Courtis

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[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone and welcome to our CHAPE's coverage of Survivor Global for Survivor

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: 47.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Shannon Gaitz, get a talk of premier on one of the first TV famous Rob has

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the podcast, can you believe that?

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a question.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: As you can see, to talk about that premiere, it is the great runner-up of the recent

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: screen, Survivor Titan V-Rubble's Caroline Hortis.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Caroline, thank you for being here.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, so good to see you Shannon, so excited to recap this first episode which was like

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I think was one of the best first episodes in the new era history, so I think we're going

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: to have us so much fun today, so much to get through, but yeah, so excited for us to discuss

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: this today.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot to discuss.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: How have you been Caroline, since we did the deep dive, having just come off the

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: last month's been?

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, last year, months have been really, really good.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm actually living up in Berlin for a little while at the moment and sunny, I mean,

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_05]: not that I'm far away from home anyway, I need less than an hour, but honestly, the weather

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: is so good.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like 26, 27 today, I just, I don't know, it's just such a different vibe than Melbourne.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: But I've been really good, yes we've done quite a bit of traveling.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I went to the States at the end of last year and saw the finale for season 46, and honestly

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I had one of the best time.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yes, sorry, sorry, sorry in my mind.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It does look like the end of last year, I agree.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You placed a lever this year and that was on TV this year.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, sorry, and absolutely, that was honestly one of the, I had one of the best

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: times in my life.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And to be part of this survivor family and to go over there and get to know people,

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: that you feel like you know anyway.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you get there and they're like, oh my god, Caroline, and they know you, it was

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_05]: anyway, I had like I said, one of the best times ever, something everyone inches in survivor

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_05]: should do and go to one of those finale parties and everything else that goes with it.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if you want to play, it's probably a good place to meet people you might

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: be playing with, given how many super fans are on the season.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, we're late.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's pretty playing out strategically, which is also when we will talk about it.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say we are on YouTube now getting into video not a moment or two soon at just 24

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like maybe we should be doing the video recap.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So doing well done, being yes, I know well done for getting into something years, like

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: finally getting pulled up online to do video.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, and now I'm coming off the back of being sick for a couple of days.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to look and sound terrible.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, I'm not fishing.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely am just like, you need to be at my best health first video recap, but I'm

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: excited and energized by the episode.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And what are your thoughts on the best from me?

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you love about the premiere?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I just feel like sometimes during some of those episodes, you feel like

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: things are getting a little bit lost or you feel like why am I not seeing more of this?

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Why am I not seeing more of that?

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like yes, I didn't see enough of all of the cars, but overall, I was captivated

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_05]: from start to finish.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Did I want more?

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, we always want more, but I felt really, really captivated those characters

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: and those contestants that they really focused on were super interesting.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't wait to get into chat about each one of them.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_05]: There were some of my, there were some people that were definitely becoming my fades

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: quite quickly.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the time for me, and I said this to you a little earlier before we

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: recorded, I mean, compared to like the time for you rebel premiere, which actually

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: is one of the best premieres ever, is a hard thing to do, and that premiere is so epic.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you travel to journeys in that premiere, not like the journeys they went on in this

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: episode.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Hard to do that with the six person tribes, you know, as it's been talked about today.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: There are inbuilt issues with the format that let me think it's number of how dynamic

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that is.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when Andy talks about the potential for relationships, you know, that would

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: be a more difficult math equation if they would be good tribes, you know?

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think you're the math right now of how many relationships are available

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: in the 12 people that you have.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So that is extreme.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think within the new era, there are parts I really like.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like this class, but I've loved them from the preseason part of London.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: One day too.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Part of me wonders, do I like the class so much that I enjoy the set foot so much

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: because I know them from the excellent preseason coverage that I listened to with Mike.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it in this episode?

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that the episode didn't do justice to our great success.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you didn't have the preseason stuff, I can see how maybe you come away not having

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: had that justice from the cast because so much of it was scavenger hunt based and I've seen

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: enough boxes and keys probably to last me four lifetimes.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's right.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And why did they just smash it open?

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Like seriously.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_05]: They like to mark one, I can just smash it open anyway.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I love about kind of three rebels, that that was the box that we got.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That was not what I mean.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It was comic cool to a degree but it was like way too much and everyone gets

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: confessional, the new era is very good with that.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But I still felt that from a new era perspective, again, it can be quite even.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was pretty lopsided.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so lot of people to get to know.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it was quite limited in that way.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think because so much of it was on the trek.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a bit of my major complaints because obviously those are things we're going

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: to get out of the way first.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But there was a lot of compelling stuff here as well, but yeah, just feel like

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: do we need that many boxes and keys and did Roam find a key that's going to lead into a

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: box that's going to lead into three more boxes because I said not next week.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That was game.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: No game and Roam found a key.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if you're multiple boxes and gave us a game already through the boxes.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then someone on Blatzer got for a bit will find another key.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's in many boxes.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I know that next next episode, baby.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I physically refuse.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like I just, it's too much me.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like on Notals, they were saying that that's the structure of the show that like

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Chris decision making which we will talk about and it is true to degree.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But like it's too much, too much time investment.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it feels like that's how they've really chosen to use the extra time for the two hours

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: here or what is 90 minutes.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like they're definitely diminishing returns where a lot of it isn't decision making.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of it is just running around often individually in some type of scavenger hunt

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: where there was a great secrecy that Roam posted which was like, yeah, much more about

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the actual dynamics even around searching for things.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd much rather get that and we'll talk about that secrecy and then just like,

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: box after box of my god, like, please.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_05]: No more boxes.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And imagine if Andy was in a 12 person drive.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Like imagine how that would have overwhelmed him.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Like so being in a six person tribe, he was overwhelmed enough for imagine being in a 12.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That is that is it's a lot.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's hard because if you've been a 12 person tribe, maybe he feels like he finds more of his people.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so and with John, I feel like he was really cursed by the six person tribe because I feel

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: which we'll talk about like I feel like he was a very physical decision where there's a lot more room to hide as

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: someone who's not even that weak but like when you're kind of out socially from four people,

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: which is just an unfortunate way to start the game and when you're against a one other seemingly more physical person.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a lot of room to move and that's how constricting the six tribes, the six person tribes can be.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like the absolute for me like the major theme and I tees the two before we recorded

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but I feel like I've said this for a while but it's never been more clear to me in like the binary and the theme from the episode.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like I have the secret to new era at least New Era early games of either maybe.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's a little bit less.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: That this is my thesis point and it is based on things I've said before but before every decision you ever make this a secret.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: What if every decision you make within at least the first week of survival and especially in your era of survival?

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't ask yourself one question and then just go based on what that is.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this a social decision with hopefully a majority of the tribe?

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's social, do it.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's anti-social individual, don't do it.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel like everything will person who made a very individual or advantage based or aggressive decision in this episode was wrong.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course the board and every social decision is something that I think is good.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean how do you kind of look at that obviously you start off really social making like

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like somebody like you might feel like making allies and then the game builds up

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But how do you kind of feel about that as somebody who's played?

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Especially when you're in those first few days of the game.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You're still getting to know people and sometimes it's difficult to get to know other people.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously I had 11 other people I needed to get to know.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure in a six person tribe it's a lot quicker because you can all sit down together

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and you're doing a lot of things together or as we were off kind of in groups, you know what I mean.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_05]: But that social capital that you gain in those first few days is so, so important.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And yes, you I absolutely agree with you.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You need to base a lot of what those big decisions or even little decisions on what that social

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: How much social capital is that going to give you for the next couple of games?

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: At least until you get to be on the next tribal, your own next tribal council.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So yes, it's huge and I feel like not enough in this episode that not enough emphasis was kind of placed on that.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like yeah, it should have been social capital is like it's gold out there.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't article in the office and that I'll plug through the confessional

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: because about like social capital, you know, the cruel social capital to spend it strategically which is a point of

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, about before and I really like wrote that out.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like more and more sure about that as a concept because it's like okay so you're going to go

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: after getting some sort of tool in the game which is an idol going yeah, you know.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen they've seen in the last two seasons that that's becoming very public very long

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like it's exhaustive. You're going to be investing time obviously like largely individual time

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: if that's the decision you make it's again a tool in the game every single release

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: if you make it be a tool in the game that's more beneficial. So if that's the priority like there's

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: a finite amount of time and energy that you have if you're investing it in that very individual thing

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that is absolutely the wrong decision not to mention it's public and shady.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, I mean, I believe these were advantages as my second option.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: My first option and I've said this for a long time and I really think it's the way to go is

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: bring people in like the real food didn't fully make the floor on that on purpose but it happened

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and it worked so well like if I gave the best thing you did on this was bringing in so

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: really your four yeah cultivate the four on something like you found a clue now bringing

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you in immediately and now we're building something with trust and like real capital that you've

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: built to build social capital. I think it's where I wouldn't have done that rather than being individual

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and everyone's looking me on the earth. I mean, Ron could get Genovie, Tini and Kishon because

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: feels like that could have been a group and that could be the group but to be so individual

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to give that time to have people find you I mean for Gabe it was not good TK clocked him

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: he's unaware that TK did not buy the lie for real. Yeah, just like just not so that's a question

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: do you like do you do you go and tell him what what you're up to or do you

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: my thing is he should have never been in that position because had he wrote in the group from

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the beginning yeah he'd be fine you know never be accidentally found he wouldn't even be at that

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: risk and if he found by one of the other two people it doesn't matter you're not in the

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: majority then you lie whatever they feel bad about you you're out. So and you've already got an

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: ahead of that then there's no risk of anyone finding you because you are in control of how

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_05]: you're in between that between both Gabe and Ron the way that they went about it I feel like

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Ron is sorry Gabe bringing in soup was obviously a really really good point and I think that

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: those two are going to become really really great allies. I'd love the fact that he saw her as the

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_05]: old woman and thought I'm that was part of his strategy I'm going straight in I'm going straight

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: to that old woman I know that she's got life experience I know that she's you know went once

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: you found out what she did she's probably you know she's clearly a very smart woman that

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and she's come at a pressure she's seen like she was coming to pressure anyways so I feel like

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_05]: you're doing more people now you have a majority. That's right then all and in my notes I've

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: got like all you need is that four person majority like that's what you need to be from the second

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_05]: you you know you're going into a tribe of Sikhs so you know you need to go out there and find

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_05]: your tribe of four like you need to get your focus in alliance and get stuck with it and get

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: stuck into it and start working hard because that is going to pay dividends down the line.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah the math is simple and it's literally with the net on the screen by Andy I mean I

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: wouldn't be going out and trying to find a be where to vanish because that already is

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: oh I love this but if you stumble on a beware advantage now you have the capitol to

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you know to really make friends with it and especially because these beware advantage has been

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: so as we've seen like now it's the matter around like they're long and public and like you need

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: help and like get that help like do it as a group and bring people in because if you're going to

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: end up visually like you're even not your gaining, gain, gains at first a one tribal idol that

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: he's eventually earned a three tribe idol yeah like that can barely offset the social capital

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you've lost like now you need it when you might have never even needed it what are you doing

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to avoid you need it I will take the risk on this I'll lose my vote and we'll do it together

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: because for much there to be done collaboratively especially with so much risk there's a way to

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: make it really social and I just like Rome and Gabe made it really anti social what if you think

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: about Gabe tapping out at the three tribe idol rather than taking making it a full game

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: final five idol. I probably would have done the same to be honest I feel like because he didn't

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_05]: know what was required to get to that next idol and he's any if he did he still didn't have his

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_05]: he still didn't have a vote at the next tribal so I'm like no get yourself through the next three

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: tribal councils if you possibly can and then try from there but no that's probably where I would

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: have gone to be honest especially when you're out there like you know you feel under pressure

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_05]: like and it's that you know it's that decision instead of thinking like right to the end of the

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: game you've just got to think about the next three tribal councils or the next two tribal

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_05]: councils or the next one tribal council I wouldn't be looking ahead to the end of the game right now.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I agree like I mean like my second option is don't take it at all once again like

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: once already put so much he's doing his self-tk has found you and you have it through like the first

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: leg of this trek or scavenger hunt and then the second leg you're in for a penny

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like you find the whole to turn around like you find the well that Rome was in upside down I feel

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_05]: like god it's just waiting for somebody to walk down the path or walk around the corner I mean

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_05]: you know you've got to be so careful in the fact that you know Rome had it a little bit harder than

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_05]: gaping that he had to get wet so you can say it was so funny it was so funny and imagine coming around

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: the corner or walking down to the well and seeing something's not switchly hanging out of the well

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: you'd be like if he's so mad that they're dirting up the well anyways. Well you know I feel

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like Max Dawson was the one who was like washing his foot in the pot water like he wanted

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: out for less than dirting up some water so yeah look if you were to see Rome you might just be like

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: plastic Rome you know he's a kind of guy who would be upside down in the well like who knows

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was coming cool like partly the fact that he was just with wet the fact that like gave

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_05]: the box I kept falling like I like and I felt like a tribe could hear it like he yeah they probably

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't but like I feel like I feel like I was really like it was like the loudest that

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: just need to be like very very quiet and then like the clanging was it was comic cool but yeah if

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I was gay I would I'd be just taking I'd be like now I'm in it now I'm taking the fool idol which is

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: so much further than three triables like that could that could be everything but obviously again

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you shouldn't even be in that position he should have if that was this decision he was going to

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: make never take you where or if he had brought in multiple people you could easily take the fool

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: season I'll be taking a look in your out for you yeah but he was just going to yeah yeah and that's

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the decision he made though like that's just how wrong that is because we can have a full season I don't

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_05]: do you wonder whether he actually discuss with Sue about okay I've got you who else should we

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_05]: bring in because you could see her getting quite close to Caroline as well and and yeah so

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_05]: should he have said to Sue hey let's you know who are you close to right now do you feel comfortable

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_05]: bringing her into an alliance with us who's Caroline close to you so I'm who's like four let's

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and exactly we used to re-before so well let's be the re-before yeah we how well that went for

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: them two minutes of the final three one winning all getting to the ordinary yeah they all got

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: this idol together let's be that group really intentionally yeah and then you'd never have to

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: one does should I take the full season I at all because you'd have you'd be fine you're the majority

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_05]: of a final fight you've got you're possibly around you so you know you've got that support you know

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_05]: that you're going to be communicating with these people you know that when you get to when you're

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_05]: getting to oh gosh what's it called when you're getting to scramble that you know the right

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: people that you just need to make a decision with really quickly and then scramble is done you know

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah there's not everyone's not stuffing stuffing up all over the place so the interesting thing

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it was from the pre-feet and that a lot of the players seemed very anti advantages and big moves coming

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: off watching most of 46 where yeah people were put it out was so many idols in their pockets were

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: internal number one it felt like a cast that was investing more socially that was kind of away

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: from this meta of the advantages and I think that that has played out in the way that that's going

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: badly for people but I did appreciate that multiple boxes aside that the show was giving some

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: decision making and like multiple options that idols are less powerful by the fact that people have

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to keep owning it with difficulty I thought that was good but yeah we were keys and boxes

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: yes yeah can we can we do something else please this was a lot I mean it's always been so for

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome on that I thought it was funny the Rome he criticizes Asia which I'll do soon as well on

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: her decision to put her hand up for the for the trek into to go trying to ask a prize he's like

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the social game is how when my million dollars proceeds to do the opposite of that for the next

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_05]: hour of the show yeah what did you think of Rome oh well and and then when he does get it and then

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_05]: he just walks off and there is like there the rest of the tribe is right behind him and he's

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: like a big sentence do you like no I'm good like what might my cat also think he can't see me I can't

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: see her like a girl who's thinking out of the blind that she can't see me I can't see her does that

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: how thing is work right I like sometimes he'll sit on the couch beside us and he's looking at us

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and he can see us but then some other times he's turned around the other way and he can't see

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_05]: so that's how I can't see it. Yeah yeah that's how you're my cat and you're having a lot of

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: comments yeah is Rome a cat because then I'm coming around on the gameplay but otherwise yes I think

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that if everyone's walking you can't just be like I'm not here you know like they can see you

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but then he he seemed like that secret um seeing that we didn't that we saw on his ex that

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_05]: that secret scene kind of showed that he maybe was trying to gain a little bit more social

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_05]: capital there back from um losing a little bit when he did do that walk off after he had found it so

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: well yeah terrible for him just a sort of clarifier yeah the secret scene would have been like

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: one of my favorite scenes of the episode he did it made the episode I thought it was more compelling

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly than all of all of like the scavenging but also just was a great scene and it kind of

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: was on for 46 which had some incredible secret scenes that didn't make the cut and like I understand

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that like Nami you know don't make the endgame or what it'd been like there wasn't stuff between

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: like Venus and Tevin like some great stuff. Yeah it's been like Maria and Ben that like you would

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: think would be essential and didn't make the edit yeah and the secret scene so to just clarify you

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: find it I retweeted it and so on Rome's Twitter where um soul was like you know I kind of like

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome so that's the interesting dynamic because we see him in the episode being like Roman

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: you're much more like yeah Roman's doing too much I'm gonna tell him he's like Rome do less

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you know I think what I was saying in my TV just do less um and Rome isn't like thank you so much

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: for the knowledge so that's right like he's like oh people call him Mami and soul says no

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but just just do less and like maybe soul be like people are kind of walking at a little bit

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's like because it really knows he's really trying and so that isn't just giving me his opinion

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but Rome is offended don't tell me how to play the game it's like Rome I think they should get a few

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: lessons um and like he's very anti that and talks about his agenda be so this was I thought really

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: really fascinating and speaks to a few things we saw from Roman the episode where he thinks it's going

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: great despite the fact that he knows as you call from the specific that multiple people work by

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: asking kind of what he's doing this and he thinks so when I'm ready to bring him this thing no he's

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_05]: he's really not yeah no I totally agree and it'll be interesting to see where that story goes

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: do you know what I mean like in terms of are they gonna start thinking who super shady all the time

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_05]: now because he has spent so much time away from camp and so much time on his own and he's really not

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_05]: integrating himself into the tribe to get to know those other people so that he's gaining some

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: official capital yeah which is what he says he's the one who gave the conventional about how you

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: have invested in the social relationships and then he's doing the very individual thing he brings in no

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_05]: one not even I know and and maybe you know like some people are like that like they can say all

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the things that need to be said but they can't actually sell for flags they can't say that within themselves

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and he's a prime example of that isn't he yeah he says in this the end of even I would definitely

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: tell you and then he tells us he would not and he is not yeah I don't think that's good is it a

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: social move with the majority no think about that's the one question I will though say that I agreed

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: with the advice he couldn't even follow when he said he disagreed with Asia I agreed I'm very

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: critical of everyone who put their hand up to do yeah would have been sweat versus savvy and was

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: now like another journey made challenge yeah yeah I mean Jeff Jeff says that it's basically

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it's to earn supplies and you're the exact wording that he said it's a task to earn

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: supplies and he gives nothing else so you know this is going to be a lot on you and you know

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be fully separated from the tribe in the first few hours of socials yeah which is

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: no important to be part of yeah yeah literally gold um T. K. T. Ina Carl who all do the

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: scissors paper off which Jeff loves uh critical of all three of them age as well like putting up

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: her hand I mean it seems at least that no one else wanted to do it and she kind of took one for

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: team which is kind but there's a reason maybe no one else wants to do it you know like for what

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_05]: would be they were doing it without putting so much of a target on her back yeah I mean if no one

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: wants to do it then you wish it all be drawings just like you have not had to put yourself up for

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that it is it's not a good thing and I think that you know to be isolated socially having to come

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: back and tell a story was so much on your back I mean it seems she rebounded well from that

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: having not got to supplies but why should like why didn't put yourself in that position

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: poking your head up I really really disagree at it's not what I would have done

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's obviously not what you would have done um it's that clear but I feel like you know a lot

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: of these players out there they are fans of survivor and so they just wanted to give it the biggest

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: red hot guy that they can they want to be involved in everything and hope you know obviously she

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: was hoping that she was going to win and I mean even if you win even if you win like you come back

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: with them to go as well for T. K. then you've still lots of hours yes yeah it's not something

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_05]: that I would have wanted to give up and I'm a huge survivor fan so it's not something that I

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_05]: would have given up easily to do it to do it absolutely enough you want an opportunity yeah I

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: want to be able to sit with my tribe on with my tribe I will be able to talk and get to know

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_05]: people as you're building shelter as you know getting everything ready for hopefully getting you

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: or supply kit yeah I mean putting us about they're having to wrestle with T. K. who felt

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: good about her you know in the pre-season and maybe still does but like the wrestling and then he

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: comes back and he's like oh she's trying to wrestle from you like why are we even talking about you

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you know if you haven't been there because you should put your hand up position be poking your head up

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and I thought that it could have gone really badly they were trying to form a full person majority

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: before she'd even really got in the chance to introduce herself but luckily I think she got lucky in

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the fact that T. K. knows it from the podcast yes and so I'm so happy to be faired at to Asia as well

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: she does very well with that she comes back she's socially integrated seems like they've made a new

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: four without Roman even genitive connected to Rome she's doing her work which they're all kind of

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: doing in the throne we're in the middle of the bus like she rallies well and Rome varies themselves

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: in a well so that went out very well very well but that's Asia's superpower isn't it

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_05]: that's her superpower like she knows that she's she's coming to this game knowing she's very good

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_05]: at forging connections with people that's part of that's what she doesn't the outside world she

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_05]: knew that was going to be her superpower coming into it so it was actually quite

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: beautiful to see it all play out like that but I like it like you and I agree you know I wouldn't have

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: put myself out there to go on that journey and I feel like also that you know the fact that they even

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_05]: tussled over the get exactly you know like you know not be tussling no I and and and

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean it would have been like okay you're there first you've got the key off your go kind of thing

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that needed to be any any kind of tussle but um anyway it's not like you

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: mean that you're even tussling like I think that she should be tussling not tussling

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I was just about to say the same thing I would have been saying right okay if we get to a point

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: where there's a tribe swap you know I made sure this is you know this is a little bit about me

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_05]: you know I'd love to you know I'd love to you know make some kind of alliance right now and

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: let's see what happens when when tribes swap swap happens and so yeah hustling instead of tussling

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it was hard because it was such a competitive path that they would give it but that's why

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: what you don't know what it's going to be you know it's for supplies it might be the visual like

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: sweaters have you've been but it might also be against each other like again just being an environment

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: where again possibility for a connection but at the expense of the socializing with your tribe

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: up possibly anti social connection which it was is so damaging I think that she does well after

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the compounds on the luck and does well with that the teeny note yeah and I

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_01]: think that even if teeny didn't know she still could have come back and been really social and been fine

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but she gave us that the deficit that she didn't have to work back and like for what

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_05]: they don't drink don't do the deficit to begin and she obviously thought that she could but I think

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: that teeny was kind of the icing on the cake for her and that was super super helpful yeah yeah

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah definitely and you know TK does well as welcome me back with a possible deficit but does get

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the supplies and it's so naturally charismatic that he's kind of winning allies there as well but

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: again like just do that just go in being charismatic from the get go

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[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: we haven't even spoken about gata gata gata and and yeah yeah yeah so I'm not gonna

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and gata yeah Andy how are you feeling about Andy look I felt for him so much when we saw

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_05]: like completely unraveling in that challenge when you saw him lying on the ground and

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_05]: the camera's win woo it was like okay we know that it this like I could as a as a midwife

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and a nurse I know his color still good he's obviously still got his eyes open he's still breathing

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_05]: his fine so to me it felt like he was having a panic attack I said turn around to my husband

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and I said I feel like he's having a panic attack and I think that's what it was I felt

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_05]: really sorry for him but I just wanted to say to him shut up shut up shut up stop talking stop talking

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I really feel like you're throwing yourself under the bus and taking John along with you it was

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it was really sad to see I mean obviously on our season we had a couple of

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_05]: episodes where we had Scott he leave due to he had had enough of the game and he wanted to leave

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_05]: a kind of bought those memories back of him and how it can make you spiral you've got to be

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_05]: a really really you've got to be really strong mentally out there because like you're on your own

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and you're the only person that you're fully relying on is yourself at old times and

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_05]: you really have to try and remain calm and stop that paranoia just felt like that paranoia was just

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_05]: overwhelming him in the most humongous way I felt for him I know he's a huge, huge fan of the game

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and I think a little bit at inside he was wasn't he he got through casting and season to the finals

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: and season 45 I heard so put in yeah with a reason yeah so yeah and so he's obviously had a long time

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: to think about what this opportunity if he if he gets this opportunity again what's

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_05]: what it's going to mean to him and how he's going to feel out there but nothing can quite prepare you

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_05]: for being being out there and obviously it overwhelmed him what did you think?

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: what do you think of my pride but I cry a lot that was pretty sweet but I really did I cry

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot but I'm a productive I am no I felt that Andy so so much yeah it's a curse to care too much

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: about anything like it's a curse on survivor and like it's a good thing but also a curse in life

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like I've how many times my life have I thought I wish I could less about anything you like yeah

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy can't so much about the game it's a well-born part of the super fan do you had a little bit

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: with Ian out there yeah like some of the people are going on and they're having fun and it's obviously

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the opportunity of a lifetime but like the passion to play the paranoia he got in his own head he was

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: just an enemy and we've seen it so many times with super fans where it's just it's too much you

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: can't you much it's overwhelming yeah what's for him that you get too much and I really

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: really felt for him because I felt like he was just all in his head and how do you not

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: done that I think he would have been okay given that he's literally still in the game even

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: with doing as much as he did so that's how much like leeway he had that's how little he had to

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: spiral because you have the leeway that they think they need to keep you physically even with all

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that he's going to stay so had he not to begin like had he not like if the death operation

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: hadn't reached from the new getting and I know that he was kind of out with John but this is some

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you know initial stuff that can change at any point you know had that not happened any

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: any having gone to Rachel Rachel's like he's so sweet you know maybe like not a huge strategist but

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_05]: he really really sweet so he has some potential then you get a great time and she could manipulate

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_05]: him like I felt like she could have done and she's still obviously can but she can do more with him

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean feel like he trusts her so I feel like it's going to benefit her game to keep him there

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_05]: but what I am unsure about is his stability like he's he's going to be okay for the next couple of

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_05]: days till they you know they do or do not get to another tribal council and how is he going

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_05]: to control those demons that he's kind of got swelling around his head at the moment and

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_05]: that is yeah it's really sad I didn't cry but I felt so much empathy for him because being out

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_05]: there is overwhelming and I remember at times when I did I would just take myself off for a walk

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and go to the go to the water do something get myself away and just calm myself down I did not

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_05]: want anyone to see me in that kind of state whatsoever and I tried not to ever let it be shown

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_05]: but you can't help but feel that at some point out there it does get overwhelming

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think it's actually relatable to life in dealing with anxiety which is like sure you have

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: anxiety like really trying to like have these really practical ways to kind of quail that anxiety

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I've done that I've been like the worst days that I've tweeted like don't be tweeting

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know like but then the same thing you know if he's trying to get something to like really

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: cover that and that's not right and unfortunately when your anxious and you're trying to like

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: solve it it's like the worst person to be making decisions like an ex-exposure of you should not

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: be doing these things obviously in the extremely depleted way that he was on the mat and I know

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that Lindsay from 43 as a nurse has been talking about you know physically if he should have even been

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: on the mat to kind of have that breakdown I mean I don't know if he can put it fully on physically

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think he was making a lot of like erratic decisions throughout and it was based on that

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: anxiety but yeah he's trying to Rachel to really like give me the bonds of this you know like

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: if I say it all maybe it'll make it better and it actually seems to largely make it worse like

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you're trying to try and try and and I think usually you kind of like you're digging deeper

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: into like the wrong direction when you're making those decisions with her yeah

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah not the digging deeper the Jeff wants you to do

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Jake did you deep in and it's well that Roe moved in on the other tribe and yeah I think that like

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I empathised so much with I like I love Andy you know Andy reached out to me a few months ago

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: when I was going through it with such a kind message and it really pains me that I'm sure he's

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: going through it or I have not but could be going through it a lot worse right now you know

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like I could see how he got in his head and I think there are parts there like we did see

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: conversations where he's on the out like the coconut thing I don't really think if anything

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think more that they're according John as like a self-deprecating survivalist you know

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah it's novel that you got the coconut oh yeah but I also think while that actual

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: interaction probably doesn't mean as much it is a symbol for him of academic that are worrying

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but again considering that he does all of that and still stays he had more more runway John said

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: for the meltdown he was hoping like Anika Rachel and Andy and John could be a four

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: not sure it would have happened but he wouldn't have gone he didn't go and then would have been

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: options and he just everything he did just made that stock plummet further and further and I

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_05]: definitely see him so that went so badly yeah yeah so why do you think that they didn't

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: photomount yeah I mean what do you I mean Steven Robbers saying it was a good decision do you think

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_05]: about the decision not to vote him out look I think it's a I'm quite divided because I really

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_05]: wanted to see John go further because I think he's quite a charismatic personality out there and

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that he was also huge fan of the game knowing that Andy was a huge fan of the game

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I it is going to be interesting to see whether he can actually calm himself down and really start

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_05]: thinking smartly in fact start thinking strategically and start talking with Rachel in a more

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_05]: non like with more sense do you know what I mean more smartly but

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean it's probably not what I would have done I probably would have kept John back

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it's really hard to think that okay how are we going to trust him how how

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_05]: was he going to be going forward is he going to be able to perform in challenges is this going

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_05]: to overwhelm him again I know that they talked a lot about strength we need to maintain strength

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_05]: we need to maintain strength and I feel like John could have bought so much more not just in terms

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_05]: of his strength but you know if they get to more puzzles I feel like John was going to be a better

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: puzzle maker than then Andy probably will because I think John's got his head he's got his head

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_05]: well together but I was really sad to see John go it's always sad to see somebody go isn't it

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_05]: it's it's a good option no it wasn't it's a great cast I think the pain of exactly

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like I don't want to hear these people to go but I mean they have Rachel and Anna come

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to puzzle so maybe they think that they're okay from a part of that yeah they're very, very well

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: in the first challenge and then their boat capsides and they were kind of behind it yeah

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_05]: they can challenge you that was that my god always boats kept the two of them kept sizing

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: that was just insane you would be beside yourselves out there because those boxes looked heavy

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_05]: like more boxes I told you and and so much bigger than their boats so the fact that the red

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_05]: tribe got to the beach as well as they did honestly that was fantastic yeah I really be

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: for that challenge I'm like very against a decision to keep Andy in the game yeah um

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the two two majories like last I know that it was talking about this on orders like last season

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like Jolinski is like a wild card because of challenges which you can put in the

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that was a sensible but Jolinski was up against other wild cards and Justin Bono that is all

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the case yeah like Andy's like be slightly stronger challenges but if anything he's a wild card

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and John brings a good energy he's even killed he's a little bit out but he's gonna be like a good

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: asset to the tribe if you never lose again I think the John could be like a good option and he is

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_01]: like again as we're saying like we're trying to manage this wild card I think it's really really tough

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and I actually think that it will make them worse to challenge it's like you've gained a little bit of

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the mentality at the expense of having to manage this person a wild card he's throwing your whole tribe

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: under the bus right by the go in get ease especially that's daily even challenge fielders were saying

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: where for the I think the first time in the new era they all got flint they there was you know

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of wins across the board their board capsize it's unfortunate but otherwise it feels fairly

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: even I actually think that had they kept John it might have been the rare season where there is no

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: disaster drive in the new era and it would be even from now keeping someone actually ironically

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: for challenged friends keeping Andy I think that he might include them and even if they get

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: rid of Andy next now they're down to four now they might be the disaster drive so I think it was actually

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the wrong physical decision and the wrong game decision and they kept it for physical reasons that I

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_05]: actually think we'll backfile and thinking about it I do agree with you I also think that

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_05]: going back into the next challenge those other tribes are gonna look at that tribe and go what you

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't get rid of that is like what is so wrong with you that he can throw you out of the bus

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah still doing that yeah like you do it's what it is yeah what you love isn't easy

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: vote and it doesn't come along very often and you do like because at the end of the day

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_05]: it's gonna be hard to vote anybody out but if you can get any excuse to vote somebody out you know

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Andy definitely had the tag on our knees back so I yeah I really feel for John that he was the one

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: that had to go home and oh my gosh and what could have been yeah really upset to lose John

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think it was a physical decision I know there's been debate you know John's obviously

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: bigger threat than Andy yes than Andy who's now the least running person in the game

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: he's great speaker he literally being a presidential speaker the more exactly

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: than that but I don't think that that was what they were thinking of now on my think Sam kind

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: of talks about John playing hard but also Andy has said he's a strategist who will throw even

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: his number one under the bus and Andy and John are putting on on a because name together

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and we have anything we've so Andy say two John and in confessional he's won't put up on

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: his name first and wanted her out so he's as much to blame if not and we know actually more

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: am I don't think it was that Sam inches of physicality the conversations we see on physicality

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel mentions the physicality I think it was a very very physical that's right um

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: physical for me and I do think that you know if each person like Anika again they're both

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: throwing her name out we know Andy wants her out as much or more so it's kind of either way

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she can't pay really well why Andy should go and talk about how the physicality

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: isn't enough of a differentiator I think you did you know that was a good argument but didn't work

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: for Rachel which we'll talk about you mentioned and I want to talk more about it

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have cultivated Andy as we're saying and we'll talk about it

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but at the point where she hasn't cultivated Andy like definitely cut him so for her especially

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and for Sam you would it seemed like it was you know somewhat the swing vote

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: we didn't see him as much from Sierra's point of view but I think for Sam

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: no he doesn't like he doesn't want to be the strong guy probably doesn't want to be left with

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: someone seen as like the old guy in John he's 42 it's depressing let's talk about it

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah like doesn't want to just be like the girls him and John but unfortunately like Andy is

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: approached but unfortunately he does not work in this permutation of people so yeah I see like what

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: we you know possibly what they're thinking but just for me it was like a like woefully misjudged decision

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah yeah it does and you've got to wonder whether Sam's thinking is Andy more of a shield for

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_05]: me than John you know is the way that John was playing the game because he was what there's

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_05]: 11 years difference between him and the next youngest player like is that enough of a age gap

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_05]: that John didn't really feel part of the whole entire group so yeah was it an age thing was it

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_05]: a physical thing yes it's probably a physical thing and you and I both agree they've I think they've

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: made the wrong decision let's see how it's played out yeah yeah yeah you mentioned racial so

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: this was a kind of a big thing went so Andy so what do you feel like Andy kind of going to

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel and then kind of like building on what you've said about Rachel here what's he how she kind

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_05]: of you know respond to that well it's a good question isn't it you know was she right in

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of not locking in like a really strong alliance with him because she I mean we can see that she

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: margarine more strategic than he is at this point of the game I don't think he's head is

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure this guy is a really smart guy but he's obviously his heads all over the place and she

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_05]: wants somebody that she can lock and load and they're going to be a number one or a number two do you

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_05]: know what I mean and when you can't do that with somebody that you can like when he asked her

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_05]: separator self from everybody in camp at night time because he was having probably a panic attack

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and she felt like oh my god you're putting the target on my back why are you doing this to me

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I can see it from both sides can't you like yeah yeah and I'll tell you why I first

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and I am still critical of how Rachel handled this but then partly was like is it social with a

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: majority to help Andy and I was like it's actually not you know like if I have to ask myself the

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: golden question that I've just put out there as like the secret yet going off alone with Andy

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: is not social with a majority and so I do see parts of that we do see Sierra putting it on

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: John and Andy for going off alone she's doing part of the hate to be the name

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think that she's a big super fan you also has like she was alternate

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and she's like had such a journey to get here and she doesn't have enough out there and I

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: want to clip parts of her own like strategy focus in paranoia and like care for the game might

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_01]: be playing out in a way where she's like yeah and really yeah do I have really thoughts in

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_05]: but it kind of showed a little bit of lack of empathy but yeah and and is that because she's so

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_05]: focused on getting her mark on the game or is it that she and and therefore she doesn't have

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_05]: that capacity to show that empathy but what if she had actually said to the tribe look he's

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_05]: spinning out over here he's asking for me look I feel like I really should go over I'll let you

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_05]: know what's happening when I get back but he's he's obviously not going through it he's really

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_05]: having a hard time right now I'm gonna go and help him I feel like if she just communicated stuff

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_05]: like that then yeah rest of the tribe rest of the tribe would have been like you know what good

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_05]: good on your girl that's a really nice thing to do go and help him out he obviously feels like he

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_05]: he can lean on you let's you know let's let's see where that goes so yeah it's interesting

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_05]: interesting dynamic I look I I can see that she's really really really focused on this game and

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_05]: she doesn't want to jeopardize her position and you know you can see that side of it as well can't

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_05]: you you know you it takes a lot to get out there so you do not want to put yourself in a position where

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_05]: you might jeopardize jeopardize your role so I I feel like if they'd been maybe a bit more

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_05]: communication then maybe she would have been able to kind of do both show some empathy and

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_05]: the and really be there for him but would then really come back to the rest of the tribe and go you

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_05]: know what he's having a meltdown I've sorted him out let's go just like I think that's a brilliant

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: point and it's kind of what I was thinking in terms of she actually could have a cake and need

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: a two here that's right I mean like you want to cultivate the spiraler yeah canzy with

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: social super power didn't really well with them exactly because it's a good for your

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: game yes you could be threatening if anyone quotes like she trying to Emily him is she trying

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to Caleb and Emily this like they get that is threatening and I see why that's good and also

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe possibly a red flag but as you're saying this did not need to be mutually exclusive there was

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_01]: a wife genuinely to bring the tribe into the for the reasons of he was genuinely like

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_01]: personally spiraling beyond the game and that's bad yeah that's right like if you're waking up

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_05]: somebody to because you're having a meltdown in the middle of the night like you're obviously

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: in a really bad place and so he is being very vulnerable to the rest of the tribe and to her

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_05]: by got by displaying those emotions as you did so yeah could there have been a little bit more yeah

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think that in terms of the fact that it's bad for him as a human to be spiraling and it's

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: a good to connect as humans in a way that may help you in the game by just helping that person

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and be it's really bad for the tribe if he's spiraling look out badly that went the next day

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: so you can easily go back to the tribe and just be like Andy was having a moment I've helped it

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: like you can actually try to try and if that pays off you personally that's a really good thing like

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it really needed a painter as a threat I see the concerns but I think she could have

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: voice and I think that would have been the way to say and that's what I think it done yeah

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I would have tried to have a lot like being there for him but communicated to the tribe

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_05]: this is what I'm doing and this is why I'm doing it 100% like I think that you want to cultivate

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that and if like it's still too threatening like you can still cut him like cultivate that make sure

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: he's okay for him for the tribe for yourself like all wins across the board and if it's still

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: a little too threatening then you can still just cut him but like what do you do more of

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_05]: he's a vote for her like if she whichever way she wants to go like he's one vote for her and

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: why don't you know anymore or you're getting that she didn't make him feel better and he was going

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: for Anika who's like her pair ally so if anything I think she lost in my think that you know

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: best case scenario you keep him you you cultivate it and are able to keep him second best you

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_01]: cultivated but still have to lose him. So yes that's right the relationship but then at least you

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_01]: cut him and fourth best which is what happened you lose a relationship but you keep him in the

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_01]: game. So I feel like that was like the worst case scenario of how that's right kind of decisions

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_05]: could have been played out unfortunately but I don't think it's my favorite actually was thinking

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I 100% agree with you but I feel like that's not the way that she was thinking because I think

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_05]: that the way that she should have done it she should have cultivated that relationship just

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_05]: a little bit further like just get him to trust her and you know see what happens going forward

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because that is one vote for with her. Yeah the I think feel like the kind of specter of

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: disaster tribes like looms live over the meta of the season they wanted so badly to not be

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the disaster tribe that they're like we'll try and keep a little bit more physicality and I

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: ironically that might make it my first problem say there's now to keep Andy I think it's actually

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_01]: possibly going to make them the disaster tribe which is very very unfortunate um yeah really painful

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a couple of things I want to talk about just from a vote perspective I'm yeah I find really

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting the first one being they choose to keep Andy we just agreed with it but what they

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_01]: choose to do in keeping Andy is they bring him into the vote he votes for Johnny doesn't work for

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Anika um they don't throw a vote at least a vote if not two of their four on Andy to protect against

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_01]: one vote would be against like a shot on the dark if John plays it and he won't have been

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: yes I know yeah if they were find an idol then they need two votes on

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy in case you know to take it to the time and the reevert where they would win so

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: they would yeah they would win yeah so what do you think what do you think well I think it was

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that we're thinking outside the box at all like they weren't boxes Caroline please

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_05]: but they weren't like why weren't they thinking like that why weren't they thinking that okay

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_05]: what happened why aren't we splitting at least one vote because what happens if John has got something

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_05]: then one of us are going home or Anika is going home why didn't Anika think of it so yeah

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_05]: put it a lot of risk for her specifically a lot of risk for her specifically because she knows through

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_05]: well she knows through Andy that the John's going to be throwing a vote her way so

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah and she doesn't deserve that concerning she should know she's the name

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_05]: so she's really looking at the risk I think she would have known but I'm curious

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_05]: that she threw away the Sam or Angie yeah yeah through them both like because they're

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_05]: both like they're both communicated with John that that's where he wants to go so yeah it's um

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_05]: it's it look it's it's not smart game played to me and why they didn't think about it it's

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_05]: going to be I've got I don't want another disaster yellow tribe but I think this is the way we're

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: going isn't it? I actually really like the decision to do this it was risky especially for Anika

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do think that it was social with a majority you know like yeah I think that somebody say

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think what's putting the word it's very situational and sometimes it is really necessary

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and there's a lot of relief yeah but do you want to take that risk if it's you like why would

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't take that risk? I think the risk the reason you take the risk is like what have you never

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_01]: go back to tribal council and you're going to have to work with Andy through the game like now they

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_01]: really try to like again like cultivate that relationship and manage it where they could throw

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: over water him and have him spiral worse like if you're keeping him into help with challenges

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're trying to manage that which again I think is more work than it is until they shouldn't

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: have done anything with but if they are and even if they don't at the opposite way I think they

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: would have brought John in I think they're like they have tried to be a cohesive five and they've

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: brought Andy in he could go back to John he doesn't they're putting possibly that well that he

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_01]: won't want to yeah and even more than he has so I think that reading that well they're investing

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in the fact that they don't need to well they just based on Andy they're not going to throw

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it they're going to bring Andy in and you know maybe twelve some of that anxiety and really

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: have him trust them and that to be fair is what they do Andy doesn't go back to John

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_01]: John doesn't play a shot on the dark so in reading Andy I think that they were correct

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: there's also the risk that John could just play a shot on the dark even if Andy isn't turning

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but if Andy's not turning then it's 5 to 0 anyway so they're really having to read Andy because

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy hasn't turned and he's sort of wrote with them and he's going to tell John then the only

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: risk was a John plays on the dark 5 0 you vote on Andy on the revote when it's 0 0 if the

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: shot on the dark in the small chance of the shot on the dark hits so they're needing to read

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy really come to us really void with us and I think you know it's the best way to go

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah even though I think that you're just right I think that it's social which I'm like there

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_05]: you know yeah I like what I'm hearing from you it's a different like there's two sides to it

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_05]: isn't there so you've got to decide which way how you're going to play it and are you going to

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_05]: play it socially or are you going to play it strategically yeah I mean Andy is well with

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_01]: throw a vote because again if John does play a shot on the dark which he was thinking about and

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll talk about if he should have but if John does play a shot on the dark then 5 0 Andy goes home

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: throws a vote then his one vote but I think as well for Andy after he's again extended so much social

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: capital unfortunately to be in that position to begin with but then at least you know now you're

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to protect against if John even plays it and then the shot on the dark hits or you try

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: make us some goodwill but actually doing what they told you to do and actually make your

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: eye relations and something like again like some of these things feel like if everything goes wrong

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: like if John plays on the dark in it hits or I mean I think you need to read Andy correctly but

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: if Andy turns on you against your read and John does have a night or he tells him to play the

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: shot on the dark and it hits and Andy's voted all of that would have to grow wrong to kind

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: of up in this or you do the social thing and hope for the best and I think sometimes like playing

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: those odds is the best thing and I think that's true of this group and I think it's true of

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy to be social even with the you know percentage chance that shot on the dark hits or there's

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: something that could be played against you I would rather I think be more social here on a tribe

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: desperately needs to come together yeah basically everything like that and then clearly Andy

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_05]: didn't he didn't have that thought process that maybe I should be thinking about

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_05]: what happens if John does do a huge shot in the dark what's what's that going to mean for me

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_05]: he obviously he wasn't in a state where he could think like that and he could think through that

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_05]: strategy sorry just to himself think through that strategy so that it meant that he wasn't going home

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: so he obviously he's not there yet but hopefully he's coming yeah like the thing is like if

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: John plays the shot on the dark and it hits really unfortunate way to go home for Andy or if Andy

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_01]: threw it and Andy throws a vote and that's how I know could go so you know if Andy turns on you

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: when they have an idol you know like yeah would you be really unfortunate way to go home sometimes

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to just like hope for the best and not be super paranoid sometimes like as we're seeing I

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: think that like excessive paranoia doing everything you can't to kind of you know call that paranoia

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you have every contingency yeah is not the right thing to do and being is a social with a majority

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know that's the way to be more broadly social is also why didn't John play his shot in the dark

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_01]: let's talk about that yes so we talk about this in the accident of use and I want to disagree with

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I had John I had yeah right I haven't listened to his accident yes I haven't had no I

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_01]: this is what he said he said basically like he felt not great about actually Sam would go with them

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and he felt like you know in the transit Sam does go with them maybe it's like a 20% chance

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: which has better than the one in six of the shot on the dark so he was going to go with that

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_01]: with Sam and he's on that of what he thought would bad odds either way but just to clarify

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so if Sam goes with him it's a 33 and I'm sorry but like Andy and Sam out the door immediately

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not going to rocks for you and he's out anyway Sam brings the error in which was the plan

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a 42 and whether you vote or not it's a 32 so I would take the extra protection of my

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: shot on the dark either way the only thing you will lose ironically is the social capital which I know

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel and Drum about I think at this point the risk was to great that you that you just need to survive

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought about building social relations exactly that you just need to survive

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_01]: for me like I would be playing my shot on the dark as extra protection for him 100%

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: either you're definitely out like it wasn't you either protection or it's a 33 and you're out

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_01]: so your vote doesn't matter or it's a 42 and now it's a 32 and you have extra protection

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't see where it could go wrong because I shot on the dark for him yeah I agree and I also feel like

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_05]: my point that I'm trying to make is that if he if he doesn't play his shot in the dark like

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_05]: he knows that he's obviously going to be going home I'm just lost my train of thought

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I had this point that he needed to he either needed to play his shot in the dark or rely on Sam

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and relying on Sam you didn't you obviously couldn't you could he didn't know he didn't

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_05]: social capital in that relationship to know whether he could rely on him or not in the first place

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he's a good boy

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: like you could rely on Sam and if Sam is voted with you and you'd go to social you're

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to dark as a matter because you've won in a 32-vode where Andy Sam is here a voted with you

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah great and you come out to campus like hey why don't you vote with us like I hope I

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: name a lot there works against me like yeah I'm sorry that that makes me seem like a you know

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: shaky ally and I will definitely try and build that back but like can you blame me

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and he would have won a point on that so I think that it's the fact that he actually could have had

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you know he can try this out they and try this on the dark and they're not mutually exclusive

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're both different types of protection to try yeah probably neither works out he probably

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: still goes home but he tried you know going with Sam and I think that he also had no lost him could

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: have played this on the dark because again if he's relying on his own vote for a 33 then he's lost

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: because Andy has literally just said he threw his hand on the box and Sam's not going to

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: rocks him so he's out anyway so he won't be voted manned yeah he needed it needed to be a

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: shot in the dark yeah yeah and even then even if even with that logic I still think it's good for

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy to be like well I'm logical for him to play a shot in the dark and I'm still gonna hope

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: 83% chance that it doesn't hit and I'll make friends and I still think that's right yes yeah

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that was his best chance yeah so really important to lose on love it who I loved I

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: love it at him he was so funny and he's type of humor speaks to me directly oh I know I love it

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not listening to it podcast everything he said made me laugh yeah every my family listen

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_05]: take the lessons to his podcast when he's like I don't know why you're not listening to it at

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: the moment I mean I have never been more fascinated in American politics as I am right now and I'm

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_05]: listening to every other podcast on it so I can't believe I'm not listening to it but he said

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it's absolutely fantastic yeah he's absolutely great yeah I think that like other than just being

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe like a bit of the old guy who didn't fit in as much and just seen his lessons

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: cool like and they're not playing me from the dark those were my main criticisms I don't think

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that throwing out anacar affect anything because I think he was purely physical I think Andy's doing

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: it alongside him um I think he knew when they were saying Tim it's Andy that it actually was him

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: he says in their accentivity doesn't think throwing out anacar actually changed things was always

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: him and I agree so I don't think he really did much wrong I think he mostly just was like the

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: de facto of what you're in a six percent tried this focusing on physicality right and I think

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you should have played it on the dark those are my early reals so does he talk about why he didn't

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: play his shot in the dark yeah because he thinks that he was trying to go with the Samsung but

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like but then you didn't need your vote with the Samsung so I hate to disagree John Love it

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's gonna think about that for a long time I know I will and I will believe in me so

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: no but I think that that's but I'm just really upset about it anything else in the dynamics of this

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: tribe um he kind of gave me a different view of the dynamics I think we we feed his pairs and he agrees

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that we sort of kind of Andy and John put into a pair together we say it's like anacar and

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: um Rachel to agree and then Sierra with Sam and we kind of saw Sierra Sam in the middle he actually

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: say he felt better about Anacar and Rachel as much as the uh Vortz kind of fell on Anacar at the end

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: he felt better about them so I don't think this centrality that I saw Sam specifically had was as

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: locked in as I thought but I think yeah I think we're gonna go down to that full regardless but

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: it'd be interesting that then I think that there's probably like two kind of pairs there yeah

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_05]: but I also feel like we're not getting to any kind of depth with those relationships for my

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_05]: wee. That's why they're pants that's what I want exactly we're not seeing it so like yes we can

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_05]: see that they're a pair but we're not seeing the how and the why and um I can't wait to see more

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I want more of that we need more depth with that that character presentation kind of thing

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I completely agree um anything else from the other tribes who really stood out to you

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: let's talk about love or the red tribe anyone there they are like really love owing yourself

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: well obviously we're talking about Asia I mean she was you know she's obviously going she

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_05]: knows this game super super well so it's gonna be really interesting to see whether she's

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_05]: going to be able to hold herself back and not try and do too much too early to really show how

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: much she knows about this game and knowing that Tini's going to kind of protect her a little bit

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: that's I mean that's that's just gold right there. I um well I mean we didn't really say much from Jen

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Jen evay. Um Kishan looks absolutely fantastic like I love the fact that he's in a addoctor out there

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_05]: you know so this is a guy that's going to be super super calm under pressure and I mean he's

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_05]: seen everything so what being out there in an environment like this he'd just be like come down

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: guys it's going to be fine no one's dying here so you know calm you farm which I love

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_05]: early it would have important skill for the game it's such a good time yes yeah I think they were

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_05]: two of my and two of my greatest skills out there was being because you know being in midlife

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: you're thrown like an year doctor you're thrown into all sorts of shitty situations and you know

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_05]: it is remaining calm under pressure all the time so um I I I look forward to seeing how that goes um

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: my gosh he's my gosh apparently apparently he um yeah he he wants to replace Jeff in um a

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: when Jeff decides he wants to step down from his throne but I just thought he was acting too shady

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_05]: too suspicious you know he broke that number one rule about when you go out there and separating yourself

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: from everybody else in the game by going out and looking for the um beware advantage and idols

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_05]: you just got to be so careful the way that you do that and try not to put a target on your back

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and I feel like he's really put a target on his back um soul was I mean we only saw a little bit

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_05]: of soul and seeing that excerpt from that that one that didn't make it to the um to the show on

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_05]: um X this morning um that was that was absolutely fantastic and then teeny teeny she was awesome

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I loved her social game out there she is going to be so gorgeous to watch I can see that she's a fan

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_05]: but also I think she's got like strategy and she's got social um and I can't wait to see how that

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_05]: folds and whether she can kind of bring that four together I feel like she's going to be the one

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: that's going to bring that four together in that tribe teeny really put out to me yeah like even

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not that four they're connected to every one it doesn't matter what it doesn't matter what four

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: she she knows that she's got to get a four and whatever that four looks like it doesn't matter

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: because I feel like she's going to be the one that's in control of that I think Asia thinks that

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_05]: she might be the one that should be in control of that and she'd like to be in control of that but

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah teeny's going to be her her um her ticket into a four yeah teeny wants to have like you

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: know she says I want to be everyone's number one which is a yard you know that's a hard goal but it's

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: seemingly if not everyone's number one it's seemingly working that they have relationship with every person

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I would that mean be my number one she's well yeah she's fantastic she was definitely my stand out

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: for that tribe and I know no no they focus quite a bit on her but I felt like what what she bought

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: to the game and and her interviews and everything she she just seemed like she's got it all together

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and I really loved listening to her she was funny she was yeah she was she's going to be one

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: that I'm going to be following and rooting for I think yeah there may be a run la from the very

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: beginning yes then individually connecting with each person like I feel like she has with with Kishan

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: while also thinking is doing really well kind of with teeny I feel like the two of them could go

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and they would but they could go with Roman Genevieve and they probably will go with like soul and

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: hey don't even the way that like teeny connected with um Genevieve it's like maybe you can like get

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: roam out but still kind of keep Genevieve close to you especially because Roman is doing so

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: all to bury himself individually that you couldn't even really get out of it yeah no much going on

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean like all I know is like this tribe could go to every tribal council and she would be last put it

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: out and that is a great space to do and everything to have the right manual that's that's how it seems

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I'm I couldn't agree more I and because nobody's going to want to vote her out she's not

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: putting any kind of social pressure on anyone she's being everyone's um she's being everything to

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: everyone and that's a really really hard thing to do because and it just shows that her personality

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: she's very good at adapting to whoever she's around and that's far out that's amazing life skill

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: to have and she's what she's 24 so my son is 24 today and she's very good every bad day Jack

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: and he you know like yeah she's he doesn't have the social capital that she's gonna do that

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: well just a drive by just a birthday drive by on your own son that he could do as well

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: loving more than live itself but you know um he knows that he couldn't do so like he's like

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: no no well he's like no I I'd hate being mean to anyone he's like I couldn't betray anybody so

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_05]: he couldn't do that whereas I feel like teenies yeah she's she's she's she's gonna be awesome to

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: watch I'm so excited to see her game play out I think there's more strategy in her to come as well

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and I feel like you know it's it'll be interesting to say how her relationship with Asia goes as well

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah because it's a very dynamic alliance that she's building it's not paired it's not like

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a soul in Asia that we've seen yeah haven't seen enough you know teenie has something with

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: gender-veve and with Rome so she's got to do that pair and she's got kishan then she's

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: ages number one yeah and seems to possibly have a group with soul so it's not even like they could

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: vote out maybe Roman even genitive and even then she'd be in a three and they could take out

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: soul like this is obviously a lot will change but if you just look forward I have that could go

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah teenie's good to go so I think one thing I will say yeah one thing I will say about survivor

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_05]: is that the game changes from one day to the next like you think your screwed one day and then

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_05]: 24 hours your game completely completely changed so exactly well do you see what happens with Andy

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: needs to really really turn around what about um two crew we've talked obviously about

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you know who stood out for you on this tribe um gosh probably gave was a one that stood out

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I was doing a lot of books centered actually it was and they were centered quite a lot on him

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean bringing in so quickly as he did you know actually saying to her verbally you know

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I my strategy coming in was to go and seek out the old woman because I know you're gonna be wise

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I know you've lived you know a long life you know you feel like older who why and how long too

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean it would have been music to her ears as well because as the older woman you just you

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: just don't want to be the first one voted up like and so I hope that there has been a little bit more

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_05]: conversations going on and that they are really trying to form a four out there as quickly as possible

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and that so and gave a part of it and um yeah that they can bring in probably Caroline and let's see who

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_05]: else they can bring in I yeah I don't know um they've all got really really interesting stories

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Tiana she's also one that I really liked watching and especially pre-game like in the previous

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_05]: years and this was really really interesting the first to learn to be on survivor and she

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah she you can see that she's got the smarts about her and she really really wants to be strategic

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_05]: and really smart about how she plays the game and then TK um well you know he's also

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: sat an interesting guy's coming on cut it it's likely person TK you could just tell the way the

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_05]: career like yeah Sean from you when he came back to the beach yeah exactly and um yeah reminds me a

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_05]: little bit of tev and in a way because it just got that you know beautiful sparkle about him

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and you know I wouldn't be a great four with um so gave Caroline and TK that would be unreal but

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: then I love Tiana as well and yeah we'll have to see what happens with Kyle.

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Tiana went a little missing considering she was like a really high winner pick

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: from the pre-season you know what's interesting as well is that like Gabe didn't put his hand

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: up to do the journey given everything else we subsequently learned about Gabe. Oh yeah

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: she's kind of a strange one um it's first the first type is yeah now you go you go oh no this

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Travis is really interesting because I feel like there's a few different um ways that it could go

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like we're hearing that it could be okay like Caroline Gabe and Sue when we hear the

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Susan really central but then we hear that there might be a bit of a voice club but then we know

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the David TK have the issue so I don't know where the Travis gonna go I don't think that this has been

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_05]: certified or you know no it's not that it's not that it's completely worked out like you can

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that's where I guess we wish that we were seeing more don't we so that we could see where these

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: alliances are going we just want to see where the alliances are and who's gonna shit all over

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: who yeah exactly but yeah I mean there's yeah Tiana she's gone missing a lot on a

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: wish because she either one who doesn't fit into any of the groups that I just went out

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_05]: that's right and not sure where she's at. Did you know that she was an alternate for 45 as well?

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so she was alternate for 45 the only person in the world who could actually be angry

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that Hannah quit and then um wow yeah she must have been really mad and then racial the

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: 40 six alternate we're really getting through the alternate I hope so I hope every alternate

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: who ever goes out they get to chance to play like knowing out them being an alternate and never

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: getting trailer as a dream is would be more frustrating than I could even also imagine.

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Good on you Survivor we're really happy that you've done that like I'm not

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it works through the alternate because obviously there've been chosen for a reason like it's

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_05]: so hard to get out there I can't imagine sitting out there for that time and

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 months going home yeah never being on TV and then not even getting to be like

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: to tell people about it because you're hoping it's still because so you just have the

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: thing exactly exactly how you and so private and so yeah good good good for Tiana racial being on

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the show yes but it works that very very well for them that it was right for them to be on

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: season of all the season. Yeah we're here to your favor on this tribe.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me think I really do like TK yeah um I like Sue I think Sue did the best we'll talk about it

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it was we were about to talk about the cheesy but I think Sue did very well so I think you know

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: games playing too hard for me I like all of them like from a character step away but yeah

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: games play too hard for me and um Caroline's fun too um I like kind of the whole analytical smart woman

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: thing of course so yeah it's fun too. Yeah yeah sure enough about one of good

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: classes is because from the pre game I was in love across the board and I still am but yeah

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you need more you know yeah give us more come on yeah I mean I felt like I've been complaining a lot

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: about sweat versus savvy because I complain because it's been annoying for a few seasons and

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: they're like we're gonna replace it Jeff actually was like before I get sale I'm like oh yeah you're

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: not a moment too soon Jeff yeah we're gonna replace it like oh she's really made it

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: um and then we're gonna replace it with just like something that was also like what does this is this is just

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: sweat this is just a different sweat and like go back to like making the decisions like it was a

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: decision to go and that was what was interesting but yeah give me the decision making about you know

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't just want people to have talk this death but yeah for more things than we're boxes I

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: think it's I think it's been done yeah it's done um I'm gonna do the cheesy theme song on video

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're gonna see if it works okay okay and we're gonna do the chivey alright okay take it away

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Jake you can take one scene an empty color maybe two three oh it was going again you heard that right

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: yes they worked okay we're gonna look at our on video we're still getting the the King's

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: out but it worked okay we're gonna do the cheesy yeah I'm doing a good first we'll should I go first

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you got first alright I think this one's pretty simple I'm maybe three voice to Cheney it's been

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: spoken about very social exactly how you should start great takes a cross the board no it's

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: brilliant do I'm giving you just Sue who I feel like is a central member of that tried

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: airlines like everyone wants to work with Sue which I believe from the pre-game and they all want

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to work with Sue she's brought in by game on the the wear advantage she seems to have two really

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: key allies she's described essential I mean even if she's not the most central person that's

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the narrative we're getting which is very important and I also believe as she probably is

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: doing very well there um and then I'm gonna even point to Sam who I dropped out from two points

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: after listening to John's Exit interview um I almost could give no points to Godna because I feel like

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I really didn't like the decision to keep Andy from a strategic perspective and I also

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like the dynamics are less secure or less cleared than they were on the show where it felt

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like Sam was a real he was a real swing vote but it felt like he was really central because he was

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: swing vote um John kind of said two things that made me bring the sound from a two or one which is

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: again that he felt actually better about Rachel and Anakhan maybe Sam isn't a centrals I thought

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and the other part was I thought that he did really good work to blindside John for John

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: to play shot on the dark but then John is there he would really like 20% sure about Sam anyway

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it feels like he was more on this calculation from John not to play the shot on the dark then on Sam

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: in saying that I will give a point because I do like his approach to trying and blend in as much

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: as he can and be more kind of than middle figure as a kind of big guy they did good at him as

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: a swing vote so that has to speak to something and he is doing some work to bring John in

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: so that John doesn't play the shot on the dark like if John feels like he has no chance of Sam

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: then feels like he's playing the shot on the dark so Lisa make him think that he has that chance

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to protect against that when they again are taking the risk of not covering for a possible shot in

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the dark and anti throwing a vote or you know when they're just not taking that risk

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: so that they can socially cover I feel like he is doing some work there so those are the

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: points that I'm giving and then I'll give an honourable mention to Kishan who I feel is doing well

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_05]: with Titi what is okay well I think we're both the same with my three points of going to Titi

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I felt like right from the get go from her first interview with Jeff on the mat she just really

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_05]: spoke to me she's obviously going to gain she's already gained that great social capital in her

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: game she's and she's smart about it like she's not bitching about people she's been really strategic

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and very adapting to everybody that's around her and I I don't know she's somebody that just

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: really spoke to me I feel like she's a no she's a huge fan of the show and yeah she was my

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_05]: absolute favorite this this episode for sure so I'm going to give her three two I've thought about

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and I don't want to I'm not copying you but I just don't know where else it can go because

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like Sue has put in for pretty clear to me yeah it is super clear and I mean also as the

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: older woman she's really trying to blend in she's really trying to get to know people

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_05]: she also looks incredibly physically strong so I feel like she's going to bring a lot of

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_05]: strengths to the tribe which is awesome but I loved her relationship that she that I love gay coming to

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I love the way that she just you know she immediately warmed to that she immediately bought him in

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and then I also loved her relationship with Caroline I felt like her in Caroline really connected

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_05]: on a very beautiful emotional level and it's really nice to find your people out there it's such a

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: strange environment to be in and to try and find people that you trust but there's some

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_05]: people that you certainly click with straight from the get go and I know that happened with

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: a certainly kitty and then eat and so I know what that feels like to just kind of really feel

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_05]: like you found a person that you can connect with so I'm going to give my two to Sue and my three

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_05]: or you give three to teeny or one to teeny now I'm giving three to teeny to this one yeah

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to give my one point air to Asia because yeah because I feel like she's she put

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: herself up for that first for that first challenge and I know she's a huge fan of the show but

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I I know that it would have been an extremely big decision for her to go and put herself out there

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_05]: to do that not knowing whether she was going to bring home the goods for the tribe or not

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I think coming back and really getting integrating herself back into the tribe that's

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: life I talked about before that's her super power getting herself back into the tribe knowing

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_05]: that she you know that discussion with teeny and teeny saying I know who you are and I love you

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and I know that this is probably something that you don't want to share with the rest of the tribe

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the way that she handled that she was quite calm and I really I feel like she did

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: very very well integrating herself back into the game so I'm going to give her a one and special

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_05]: mention I think I'm going to do TK I just think he's a personality that we're going to all

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_05]: really really love and I can't wait to see how the rest of this unfolds it's been I think like I

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_05]: said earlier it's one of the first best first episodes I've seen in that in the new era and

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I really grabbed me and knowing that you know getting to know these people preseason has just been

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_05]: incredible I can't wait to see how it all unfolds and yeah see where all this where this

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy game takes them all yeah well I mean like I agree I think that there's you know yeah TK

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: really charismatic aidedary social work but I feel like on my thesis point being the social

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't win the game in the first day but you can lose it you can't win the game the first few

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: days but you can lose it I felt like I had to go to those kind of like social players and I

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: definitely don't get any one who did anything individual strategy to watch and then I had to

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_05]: bring it down from there yeah that's right it was it look I think you and I both saw that both

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_05]: teeny and Sue were standouts and teeny especially so it was really really really good to watch

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean we were definitely on the same page there yeah it's going to be it's going to be wonderful

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_05]: to see how all this plays out I am really really really excited I am it's you know survive a 47

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_05]: you can't believe that this has been going for 24 years and I know that the new see the new era

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_05]: has as had its challenges for sure but I love watching any season of survivor and this is right up there

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah well I'm excited about it if anything we miss is anything off you wanted to say about

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: any of these people and so let's just wanted to have we had some questions on Twitter I just meant

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: to make sure that we're getting into a lot of the Twitter a lot of them are about to Sue

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah a lot of people just wanted to do that they love you remind you that they love you thank you

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_05]: to those of you I love you too um need and asked ask about gave and Sue's alliance and

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_05]: seeking out an older woman and what their future look like look it's an interesting it's an interesting

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_05]: dynamic there he's a comes director she's a pilot they're both go get is they both want to make

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_05]: name for themselves I think they're going to be strong power players if they don't get over confident

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_05]: um with and keep their tight bonds with the rest of the tribe I think that's really important

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_05]: that they yes they can have their really tight bond but it's gonna be about not getting over

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_05]: confident in having that number one and really bringing the another two in but bringing the

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_05]: rest of the tribe in so that they're nice and cohesive um did right Matt said did Rachel

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_05]: have the right idea that it was too risky to openly work one on one with Andy and I think we're

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_05]: already discussed through that yeah we don't try to get to everything yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: those Johns Hop people moved to accept being the second reboot I don't really was ever the

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: reboot I don't think that whether he accepted or might I actually should sell out of it and then

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: he would have gone home either way yeah there at that point other than place on the dark I think

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that point he was kind of yeah she wanted to be that and yeah I don't think they would be

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: honest it was Andy and I don't think the Onica moves it Andy was doing with him

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: pushed it any which way for him I just think that they were like really scared about being the

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: disaster tribe and thought that Andy was a little bit stronger as much as we disagree with that

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: he said who's gay benefits with words from Andy studying I don't think that anyone benefit from

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy's Andy does I do I'm excited I'm as sad as I was who's John really happy that Andy gets

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: a second shot at this but yeah I mean I don't see who on the tribe specifically benefits from this

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and I just and know where John said he wasn't close with Sam but probably not I mean I

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: don't think it'll benefit them physically obviously Onica was being thrown out by both of them

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel I feel like it hasn't done well with that and she had to really bring it back and

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: have to be like a complete one 80 so I think he's particularly bad for her I don't I don't see

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: 80 one even getting like any individual benefit let alone a collective benefit

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_05]: no it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out I mean in my nights

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: possibly a shield for Sam but if Rachel you know especially if I'm not a man you'll be a shield for anyone

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: that will no but Rachel if she can rain in his trust again and that's it that's all I got

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah like if any part of this was like John's more threatening and John can speak in all of that

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like that would be even worse like that would be an even worse decision to try and like

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: implode your in private keeping the wrong person because your worries that John will speak better

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: than you in 20 three days that are like we should not be thinking about that so if any part of

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that was on the threatening nature of John love it against Andy that would be another negative for me

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_05]: really not into the yeah well and I feel and obviously they felt that they can they can kind of

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_05]: maneuver Andy a little bit more than I could have possibly with John but that would be crazy too

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: given what we've witnessed over the last two days like and you know I will let me

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I know and let's see here is I don't think they realize how tough he's going to be to manage and water

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_05]: a curveball he could really really throw into the game if he if he decides if he goes off the rails again

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_05]: and look I've really really feel for Andy I hope it doesn't I hope he can really just get his head

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: together and really kind of sorting self out and sort his place in that tribe but we have to wait and

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I go he's of chilling try yes I can sleep that don't love it is making you laugh

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that don't have to be watching Andy searching for idols like let alone the fact that like

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy is a wild card and is definitely if the other tribes have anything to say about it going on

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the next journey you know it's possibly spilling more secrets like he just needs to freak out one

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: more time to say things on the mat to say things that are journey if he's searching for idols like

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the John was the only of KG for all of the risk to your majority that

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy would bring given the two days of proof that we have of the kind of plate he's been

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: junior out paranoia and that anxiety so I would rather show up with a slightly physically weak

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_05]: a tribe that's in a good hit oh yeah I'd rather show up with a John then I would yeah I'd rather show up

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: with a John then and Andy there's no question about that one says he works out his work and so

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: had it don't says that he works out what did you do yeah exactly yeah yeah I don't know

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean he wasn't he's obviously he must have been a strong guy like he did you see him bloody

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_05]: pushing those the boxes back into the to the boat he fell out of the boat he got back in the boat

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_05]: like that would have been killer mate it would have been so hard yeah well I think we're pretty

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: long on that decision I think that's been spoken about but I'm like there's just one more

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: point I wanted to make yeah I um there was um I just felt so sorry for everyone that went out

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_05]: in that first challenge when they had mud all over them because one of the things when you're out

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: there is you just like as much as you know it's not gonna happen you just want to try and keep a

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_05]: was because that just rips you close for the help for the rest of the game like you close

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_05]: absolutely screwed I'm I remember trying to scrum mud out of mud when we did the twisty

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_05]: through the mud um getting the mud out of your clothes was was just a bloody nightmare you just

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_05]: were just yeah radical acceptance you just had to accept that that's where you were going to

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_05]: look for the rest of the game and the other thing I wanted to point out was did you see the size

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_05]: bags that they had I haven't looked it I haven't looked even looked at it I just I just put

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that in my notes last night it was like oh my god like if we'd only had bags like that because

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: our bags were literally I reckon not even a quarter of the size of the bags that they had out there

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: they looked amazing so lucky you guys well little you do you know that those bags are probably

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: just filled with more boxes so which box and that'll just spend the next 20 things they

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: are working out oh so bad isn't it yeah well this has been really fun Caroline thank you so much for

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: coming on being my first video guest first recap yes of our what is happening in of course tell

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_05]: people where they can find you and what you're doing so I'm on Instagram at my malicious and

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm on TikTok you can find me on a Caroline court as an also my malicious one so yeah I'd love

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_05]: to see more of you guys out there I have so enjoyed this Shannon I really like and been preparing

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_05]: for something like this just getting to know all the characters I and all the contestants I've

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: really really loved Pope I can come back on again and this has been a lot of fun I always love doing

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff with you you always bring out the best in everyone and I'm really grateful to have the opportunity

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: thank you so much well it's been great to have you on the podcast we we have a great guest next

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: week as well we have the great Matthew Haywood from survivor UK was oh wow we're really excited about

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: by the UK yeah so excited to have Matt on the podcast we have yeah we've had a big news this week

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Caroline and I said it's very disappointing that you are here with you because it means that you're

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: not in Somora and that's upsetting I'm not in Somora yeah unless I'm doing this from Somora in

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: which case I'm impressed yeah it's really very very the world is announced and I don't know if

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: anyone misses but announced it is only poverty, Shawnee, Kirby and George so I when I didn't

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: emergency would cast about Matt if you missed it but yeah huge week do you know I listened

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I listened yeah yeah and I was really excited that you did something because you know I was trying

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_05]: to get as much information as I could I mean it's probably the most exciting news that we've had

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_05]: in survivor in a very very very long time and to get two seasons of potentially an Australian

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_05]: survivor so we're going to get next year we're going to have two seasons of US survivor and then

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_05]: two seasons of Australian survivors so it's going to be a busy year next year I'm so forward

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_05]: asking and I've done well we had yeah well and well we know that UK is not going to be on

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: unfortunately there's an Africa at the moment maybe they'd be feeling after you know I've done

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like the New Zealand I wasn't covering Australians but I was watching and guessing in 2018

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we had Australia, New Zealand South Africa in two US's in 2019. I think that was probably the busiest

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: year but it's going to be great I'm excited about it so yeah check out any of that content as well but

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that's all I have this has been great right to break another premiere oh no I know it's a bit to get

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_05]: poverty, Tony and Serena I got it like I just I can't wait to grill goat Kirby when she gets

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_05]: time like and then the funny thing is Kirby like she didn't know a lot about survivor before she went

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_05]: into the interior as what's going on yeah she does have not understood no I'm really happy for her

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_05]: like this is going to be you know she's out there with the big boys this time it's going to be

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_05]: absolutely amazing for her and I think it'll really test those skills that she showed in our season

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and like Kirby is one of those people though that she thinks outside the box and she also

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_05]: she's she's sitting there watching everybody she's watching and listening and she was just such a

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_05]: legit watching in my season yeah I can't wait to see how that all unfolds I can't wait to see what happens

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_05]: between Shony and George and this is Shony gonna get retribution on revenge on George for her last

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_05]: season um I mean I love watching George I love watching Shony this is going to be Shony's fourth season

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: gosh how many date hopefully you know she's been out there well over a hundred days so

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_05]: it's massive for her isn't it she's leaving a bay yeah I just was maybe yeah do we know how long

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be like how many days it is not on the record but there's been no rumors that I'm not

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: confirming or denying that it might be a bit of a shorter season yeah yeah yeah I think I

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_05]: exhibition match of Australians of level yeah and how many contestants like yeah I'm listening to

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_05]: the rumors and every watching all their rumors and stuff as well so I um yeah I can't and I

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_05]: can't believe that we're going to have to wait another year to see it yeah well we don't even know

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_05]: what's there and then and we're already being given six cast members yeah so long as pre-season

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_05]: in survival history which it's technically not an ability maybe a whole year yeah okay so

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_05]: who else is like what other countries are going to be in it I'm not on the record the the

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: spreader press release said that South Africa and Norway Finland yeah they just said yeah

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_05]: you see that it's on Africa yeah we're good to three to be so that's yeah so one of those

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_05]: countries is going to have either one or two players because aren't we going out with seven yeah

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: not on the record I don't know I'm not sure what we're doing we don't know I'm not trying

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: out yeah they you can find out who's not on it every week here on survival global as I chat to

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the people who are watching survival so that's a way to find out yeah yeah well I'm sure

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you and subscribe to make sure that you make sure you'll know some information around that

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: based on my guess but yeah follow the subscribe to the National Survival or Hapab's feed follow me

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: at Shedding Gates for all of this Caroline such a good time thank you so much again

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_01]: thanks for having me season thanks everyone alright I hope you enjoyed this on YouTube or

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