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[00:02:52] Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor 46 for Survivor Global.

[00:02:56] I'm your host Shannon Gus here to discuss episode 5.

[00:03:00] The final episode of the pre-murge context. I don't want to spoil Australian Survivor but people

[00:03:05] can think about where we were in episode 5 of Australian Survivor and next week they will merge.

[00:03:11] It's a very different show but it's just hard to get my head around those differences but

[00:03:16] I'm here with someone who loves both of those franchises. This is a big super sound of the show.

[00:03:20] The star of Australian Survivor when I put out the question thread this week, a lot of people

[00:03:24] mentioned you know we as the viewers have been robbed that she's never returned. Hopefully one day

[00:03:30] we will get that but it is the great Tessa, Hall or NTessa thank you for being here.

[00:03:33] Thank you very much Shannon, exciting introduction.

[00:03:36] Thanks for being so old and right here all this stuff I've done this a few times now.

[00:03:41] I was like why was my youth old?

[00:03:43] Well I mean partly the discussion of that I'm middle-aged now.

[00:03:48] And then you've never come back you know we've been like dust off the old archives from when I was on

[00:03:54] Survivor that's how long ago it was and they're like where did she go?

[00:03:58] You were the you were the second season.

[00:03:59] You're a classic, it's not that it makes you old I mean

[00:04:03] you were young when you played that season and now you're not as young which is still young.

[00:04:08] You started off bad with you were young when you played that season but

[00:04:13] you got to say now you're less young.

[00:04:16] For context for everyone right before we recorded we were talking about age and Tessa said

[00:04:22] she'd be middle-aged soon and then I pointed out when she told me her age

[00:04:27] did you actually technically it was already middle-aged because people who listen to the

[00:04:30] Australians say if I have a coverage will know this has been an obsession of mine and

[00:04:33] listen to middle-aged mafia made me Google what middle-aged is actually 35 is young middle-aged

[00:04:38] or early middle-aged though so but I'm not that I'm just turned 36.

[00:04:43] I know but you're still early middle-aged.

[00:04:45] I'm early middle-aged yeah for like only a decade to go.

[00:04:48] It definitely means that nothing I say is going to be well received.

[00:04:52] I can't do anything right at 36 so you know sorry in advance.

[00:04:56] Well this is what we were talking about we were talking about how it's difficult for older women

[00:05:00] on survivor and but when and so when does the line of older women when does that start?

[00:05:06] Yeah and also I think that I use these I don't feel like an older woman.

[00:05:10] I just was recently saying to my mum that I don't think like I often don't feel like an adult still

[00:05:17] and I know I have a very grown up job. I have two kids I have a mortgage like I am an adult

[00:05:22] but it often don't feel like one so I don't like I would live it include myself in the middle-aged

[00:05:26] mafia that's not how I say myself.

[00:05:30] Well we were just saying I was like oh yeah well we were literally at every point I was like

[00:05:34] well it was because Mark you know he saves lives I'm like but then you also save lives you have

[00:05:39] two kids you literally save lives in your job you were on survivor a long time ago you were in

[00:05:44] the house. You qualify oh well I was qualified so here talking about survivor with my cats like

[00:05:53] I'm definitely still a child I'm currently wearing my Harry Potter pajamas you know what

[00:05:57] it actually makes a lot of sense that I'm not an adult as I never feel like I am because I

[00:06:03] always say that to Peter I'm always like at what stage am I going to feel like the grown-up here

[00:06:07] because I often look around and like who's in charge you know is it like in my real life?

[00:06:12] and it's in the middle of the situation like it's looking to me like I should know what to do now.

[00:06:16] Yeah I would present but when we got married or like I moved states or we bought this place

[00:06:24] there was a lot of different way we got cats even with cats like the first couple of days remember

[00:06:28] I called my crying I was like there's no adults here there's no one I can't do it I did learn

[00:06:35] that point that I could but I also think that you know someone younger could raise cats I don't

[00:06:41] know anyway the point is that before this we were talking about age and now it's difficult to be

[00:06:48] an old woman on the show and that would make you feel that way but I don't think it was the introduction

[00:06:52] okay thank you yeah sorry for making you feel old I do that with a lot of people I've been making

[00:06:57] people freak out about it but anyway because you mentioned casually that you have two kids since

[00:07:03] last time we spoke you had one you had a child yeah adults I know so in fact the most adult feeling

[00:07:10] moment that I had recently was when my husband and I had taken our two kids to dinner and we were each

[00:07:16] carrying one from the car back into the house they were both asleep and then being the two parents

[00:07:22] carrying the sleeping kids into the house I was like oh that hit so I'm like yeah so anyway I've

[00:07:30] kind of got a new born at home now so this is a nice refreshing change from my usual daytime routine

[00:07:38] yeah and thank you so much for making the time with two small children to talk about survivor

[00:07:42] and I didn't know because as we have talked about in Australia and survivor coverage a lot of

[00:07:46] Australian survivor players having babies and you know like Haley like she wanted to come on the

[00:07:53] podcast and then like you know she has a small child she couldn't catch up with so much content but

[00:07:57] you watched all of Australian survivor and then you caught up with all the survivor 46 to talk to me

[00:08:01] and in that time you raised two children incredible so I have consumed this season of US survivor

[00:08:11] in a weird way I saved it until the end of Australian survivor because that season was just nuts

[00:08:18] and I mean keeping up with that was like you know drinking water you had to do that and so I waited

[00:08:26] until the end of that and then I binged four episodes of US survivor which was like a fever dream I

[00:08:31] couldn't tell you like what happened in one episode and then this most recent episode I watched

[00:08:38] in like 35 minute blocks while I was feeding my baby in the middle of the night and the last 15

[00:08:44] minutes I watched with my three-year-old in the car on my phone so it's been but it was quite fun

[00:08:52] because I was telling Sean I was telling you before that um while we were watching it my three-year-old

[00:08:57] was like why are they doing this? Why? Why is that? What's that doesn't wearing and I really was just

[00:09:02] so much like I have no idea I cannot explain this to you so I'm excited, Shannon, for you to explain

[00:09:07] it to me I think well that's gonna be the whole podcast I'm just gonna say why does this happen

[00:09:11] all the time in you which is we can get at you and you know she can chip in why why I love that

[00:09:16] I mean that's and that's it a lot of people have been asking similar questions so she might be

[00:09:20] a little bit of a survivor's of aunt more than you think but I watch the vibe in similar ways

[00:09:24] I remember like I like when I have to like you know watch stuff to you know get ready for talking

[00:09:29] tribal one of the episodes two episodes actually I watched on a return bus to like a wedding

[00:09:36] that was an hour away but I can't have anyone see the screen and it's loud for my headphones

[00:09:44] and I've got like the laptop like pretty much closed and I'm like watching it and I'm like in my

[00:09:49] wedding outfit and like Peter took a photo of me I'm like this is the way survivor was meant to be

[00:09:52] consumed you know like I've been able to watch in movie theaters and stuff but not like in my

[00:09:56] little laptop like covering the screen from everyone I've done it at airports that's the way to watch

[00:10:01] the show so I've done the same thing yeah absolutely yeah yeah so yeah how you enjoying the season

[00:10:11] those are the the the way that you watched it I think that binging the start was a good move

[00:10:18] because if you'd had to like if there'd been long pause as in between the US episodes

[00:10:25] you would've been so disappointed and like yeah I again I told you before but

[00:10:31] I had told my mom that I was saving them to binge and she was like oh gosh don't get too excited

[00:10:37] because not a lot has happened and my exact words were like you know something has to happen it

[00:10:43] can't be nothing there people have voted out and of course people would not vote it out like

[00:10:47] there were two episodes people would not vote it out so at least you kept things moving and I could

[00:10:53] kind of like you know play katana my phone a little bit while things were slow yeah it was hard

[00:11:01] it was rough I mean look even bad survivors good tv that's my yeah I think so

[00:11:08] my I think the like I realized in this episode because I thought this was the best episode of the season

[00:11:13] um it's definitely since the premiere and even probably in general like just being able to get

[00:11:19] some new dynamics was pathetic and I think that's really the main issue and I know that it's been

[00:11:25] talked to deaf like the issues with the new era but I really just feel like the lack of tribes going

[00:11:29] to tribal council for me is a sticking point and especially when I compare it to a strand survivor

[00:11:34] which we're not supposed to do because it's so different and like really different beasts and that's

[00:11:39] in itself is played out but like damn if I think about those pre-merges like by the time they got

[00:11:44] to to the merge which should be fair was the end of a U.S. survivor season but by the time they

[00:11:48] got to the merge they had been to war yeah versus tribes that'll go to one tribal council or none

[00:11:54] like I check some stats and I hope my math is correct because I did it pretty quickly but

[00:11:58] of the 18 tribes that have played in six seasons nine tribes so half the tribes have been to tribal

[00:12:04] two or more times two isn't that many times to go to a tribal council the fact that half the tribes

[00:12:10] are going to one or zero tribal councils is why it's hard to build that investment and hard to like

[00:12:16] read into their journey like you know dynamics like Nami that we haven't seen played out

[00:12:21] there's not a lot I can do with that whereas like Seiga a tribe I've really been enjoying but to see

[00:12:24] that now manifest in a vote already adds some dynamics imagine if we could extend on that and I know

[00:12:30] that it's the shortest season but like they could find space if they wanted to you know Kaga Yarn

[00:12:35] is an 18 person three tribe format but has a you know an interesting pre-emerge and a long post merge

[00:12:41] if they added a couple of days made different use of the 90 minutes took away fire and had a final two

[00:12:46] and merged it like an 11 rather than a 13 letter loan swapping to true tribal I mean imagine even

[00:12:51] having true tribes but having real dynamics where people are more likely to go to tribal council

[00:12:56] and something like that if you have if you're going to a final two maybe two tribes go to you know

[00:13:00] tribal council and in a pre-emerge just to make sure these people start voting just to make sure

[00:13:05] that dynamics work I think for me they could have the space if they wanted to the issue is they don't

[00:13:09] want the space the issue is that they think they can get to a 13 person merge because we're clearly

[00:13:13] gonna have murgatory and then split the tribes against we need to do it with five episodes

[00:13:17] they constitute the pre-emerge like you know two of the episodes didn't have votes so three

[00:13:23] votes into emerge for me it's just so limited especially compared to where we've come from it's

[00:13:27] fans watching from a strand survivor but I just also think in general yeah 100% and like

[00:13:31] I think they tried to make a big deal out of it this episode when it was um what's a name

[00:13:40] got voted out oh my god was it a gem was like you know we eat together we

[00:13:47] sleep together we're all together every day all day every day trying to make it like you know

[00:13:52] these relationships are really intense and we salsa together or whatever there's nothing

[00:13:58] like going to tribal though to actually create dynamics that are interesting into test relationships

[00:14:04] and to create you know these like super interesting rivalry friendships now you'll never get a

[00:14:13] Kirby Ferris without going to tribal like it just doesn't it can't happen so I think however

[00:14:21] they get them to tribal it's probably what's I mean one of the big things that's missing from

[00:14:27] US survivor for me that a lot of the merge players don't have those tribal tested relationships

[00:14:33] yeah like look look at Kirby and Ferris and we're gonna be talking you know a little bit of tied

[00:14:37] into your rebels in this podcast or if anyone's behind on that or anything like this is at this

[00:14:41] point it's been weeks like where I'm fully merging the kind of this point but yeah exactly I feel

[00:14:46] bad for you should watch the season was incredible but like Kirby and Ferris like first tribal council

[00:14:50] that relationship is rocked by Kirby's decoy votes again a vote you know like everything is

[00:14:54] troding his vote until pen is put to parchment like you can say that Tevin has a suspicion on soda

[00:14:59] what it but like until we've seen that play out it's all kind of just thoughts it's all it's all

[00:15:04] it's all kind of vague like nothing is 100% and nothing is certified or cemented or even

[00:15:11] real it's just conversations and so if it's a Kirby you know by the time those decoy votes played out

[00:15:17] then you know the next tribal council Ferris played in idle that took away some trials all of these

[00:15:21] things by the and by the time we got to the second week Kirby was coming for Ferris now that was on her

[00:15:25] but that showed just in the building blocked of these votes and that was two tribal councils again

[00:15:31] that's more than half the the tribes ever got in the new era and even just that to lead to these big

[00:15:36] moves let alone for the fact that then that happened let alone then they went to a swap and then

[00:15:40] went to war again what these people had gone through by the time they got to emerge it's comical to

[00:15:44] compare it to this the fact that we're merging now um so again it's different obviously 47 days

[00:15:50] compared to you know you had 55 days compared to 26 days but I think with 26 or if they could add a

[00:15:56] couple to 28 even with 26 like they could do it but they just don't want to and I wish that

[00:16:00] they could see the scope and how limited this is but it's all been talked to death um I will say

[00:16:06] that say yanu you know they've obviously been through it and while their voting permutations were

[00:16:11] interesting in that they just like picked up people on the bottom I will say that like in seeing them

[00:16:15] win I'm like okay I have built up investment in what they have been through because they've had

[00:16:19] to play that out and they've been through it and I realized when they won and I was crying

[00:16:24] how much I cared and was invested in their story so yeah and they didn't even actually win can we

[00:16:29] just say they came second oh please don't talk to you what you was like is this what winning feels

[00:16:35] like a bit cute yeah you did yes win oh come on they didn't leave us enough yeah but I mean we

[00:16:46] we're invested in that but we can't just be invested in in three you know like and I do like

[00:16:51] the characters but again I need to see it play out a little bit more were you crying when yanu

[00:16:54] want to was that just me being weird no I don't have a heart like that um I did not cry

[00:17:02] I'd partly because I was like oh guys that was second place

[00:17:06] and I was really like yeah you know um no I did I was happy for them though and I really liked

[00:17:14] Tiffany she's one of my favorites so um happy to see her not have to be in the very hard position

[00:17:21] of choosing who she gets rid of which I also thought was funny because like yeah that's not the

[00:17:26] hard position the hard position it's being more than being able to go okay she's like it I thought

[00:17:30] the same thing that's a tricky position but I loved her for that I really enjoyed Tiffany yeah she

[00:17:35] was like it would especially suck for me I'm like to be fair that would be the best the best place

[00:17:39] to be that's exactly what everyone wants to be but also we said for you because we love you

[00:17:45] yeah so why so why are you so high on on to me oh kashasashi stuff like that without like absolutely

[00:17:51] no self reflection I just really enjoyed that about here I feel like this whole time she's so

[00:17:56] hard done by by how much everyone loves her and I enjoyed that about her character I also think

[00:18:00] she seems like you know she seems tough she seems like she's got a hit in the game and there's not

[00:18:07] much else to go off is there I'm sure you'll find things and I'll agree with you bit no no no she's

[00:18:12] cool here I mean again I've realized how invested I am in yana when they're one I was like damn I'm

[00:18:17] ready for them like an underdog story will get you like that I actually felt like what really

[00:18:21] snuck up on me is how invested in q I am when he when he won yeah and the way that he

[00:18:27] reacted to it and he was like looking up the sky and he was like this is beautiful coming second

[00:18:34] and I was I did I was happy for him I don't yeah he's a bit um entitled to the win though I think

[00:18:41] he's used to his quarterback you know central position it's not um I'm always a bit uh I start

[00:18:50] on the off foot with people who are assumed that they're gonna win b winners I think he that's what I

[00:18:57] loved that it's not it's not just that he's a football player it's that he is like a very successful

[00:19:02] real estate agent he was like when he before he came out he's like I'm not here for the money I

[00:19:06] could make this money in a few months you know like so that's like the level of success and I

[00:19:09] think that's why I'm so compelled by him is that and even Tiffany and Kenzie very successful

[00:19:14] people in their real life so this is true of all three of them to see that level of like external

[00:19:18] success come on like you are on the loser tribe I mean there are people in Lululu for which that was

[00:19:23] true and there were people maybe for which oh no I don't know they do cast people who are like pretty

[00:19:28] successful in the show but all have back stories but like I do think that these three are like

[00:19:32] particularly like giants of their field like and this is what we said previously like Kenzie

[00:19:36] Q Tiffany like in ways sparkly people um Tiffany the kind of person who like could a job to become

[00:19:42] an artist and then had her art like shared in Madison Square Garden Kenzie has her own super successful

[00:19:47] style lunches the boss um Q as I've said super successful so that particular level of success compared

[00:19:52] to other tribes that again success we're not taking it away from them but like this level of like no

[00:19:57] one thought they were going to be the disaster tribe coming up against the the losses and then for Q

[00:20:03] the internal pressure that he puts on himself and the fact that he feels so deeply and he's

[00:20:07] so intense but then also kind of like militarize and kind of rigid like he almost like it was almost

[00:20:13] like to see that like draw unfiltered joy from him and like that emotion it felt like a glimpse into

[00:20:19] something because we often I get I think get something a little bit more rigid so like that intensity

[00:20:23] for me I'm very very compelled by it and I thought that that made that moment especially of them

[00:20:27] all winning like particularly compelling yeah I hear you I also I mean there was that moment where he

[00:20:33] like pretend got all quitty with um Kenzie this end of the year and I really enjoyed it because

[00:20:39] they let me hang there just long enough to be like whoa this is hypocritical and then he quickly did

[00:20:43] it around he was like ha ha I got ya I did it yeah yeah yeah and here's like about faith to

[00:20:50] create the mutual alliance and like how how joyous he was in that confessional and he comes up with

[00:20:54] that plan and I want to talk about it because I think it is good for what it's worth that's my

[00:20:58] whole draft team. Hunter, Q and Tim they're all together on the and I was like can the three of you

[00:21:03] work out how one of you was going to win this because I really need to win the trial. Yeah I liked

[00:21:10] his confessional as well and when he was like I think it's a good plan yeah yeah you know a little

[00:21:15] chuffed pat on the back it was pretty cute yeah the joy that they all had was so necessary I was

[00:21:20] like oh they better show me them like eating this even second place reward like I hope they know

[00:21:24] how much I need it because we've seen very recently Lulu Luz we've seen the Matt Singh we've seen

[00:21:31] the slow mo into the loss we've seen who will go down to two I feel like it's a compelling storyline

[00:21:37] but we've had it again like a lot and recently and done well and this needed something I needed

[00:21:42] something else I actually could not see them go back to trial accounts it just would have been

[00:21:45] too sad like after Bano left I just felt like it was a lot it was sad and inevitable and I just

[00:21:50] needed a win for them and then we got it and that was great. I also have to say I mean it's probably

[00:21:55] also been talked to death but I don't really I don't need to see how starving everyone is

[00:22:00] and I don't need them to make it harder like it's probably partly that my low sympathy levels because

[00:22:06] I have a newborn like I'm tired guys anyone who complains to a mom of a new baby about how tired

[00:22:12] they are is losing sympathy very fast so we got like a 15-minute segment about how tired they were

[00:22:18] and I was like if someone could send me to Fiji I'll sleep on the bamboo it's fine they lost

[00:22:23] me there but yeah the hearing about how tired and how hard it is and then seeing the disaster

[00:22:30] try blues and get sad like it's like it is nice to have the natural up after that have a little bit

[00:22:38] of an up. We needed a otherwise the season was just kind of like being dragged down a little bit we

[00:22:43] needed that moment but what did you think of the the journey a lot of talks around the logo placement

[00:22:50] for Hunter to put the seasons in order did you feel like that was how do you feel you'd go in that?

[00:22:57] Oh no I'm I'd be really bad like I've seen every season I haven't missed anything I think

[00:23:04] I've seen every English speaking season I would say and and I couldn't put them in order. Really?

[00:23:13] Nah but I'm really bad at that stuff I'm one of those people and like numbers don't stick in my head

[00:23:20] and like history the order of events I'm really interested in why things happen and I can go into depth

[00:23:27] with like what I thought the perspectives of different people or the politics was or

[00:23:33] that kind of like an analytical stuff but if you try to put something in order of events or remember

[00:23:40] numbers I'm a shocker so I could have gave you like the casts and asked you to place the cast

[00:23:45] in their season no dramas could definitely do that but I don't think I could put them in order.

[00:23:51] I felt like I'm the opposite I feel like I interchangeably used the season names and numbers

[00:23:56] so wow like completely interchangeably so this to me would be like going to a spelling

[00:24:02] being them asking me to recite the alphabet like those are you know what I'm saying like that's

[00:24:05] just like the building lots of trivia. So like to for an example of why I'm about this stuff

[00:24:13] when you write the months of the year as a number like September is the ninth month or whatever

[00:24:18] I struggle with the middle months of the year to know what number they are

[00:24:22] I feel like I'd be worse at that in the survivor season.

[00:24:26] You know what's more relevant really?

[00:24:28] No I'm not really happy to learn super hard and I just I felt like it was a bit you know talk about

[00:24:33] the fourth wall or whatever I didn't enjoy the I felt a bit get Mickey.

[00:24:38] Really yeah and I didn't like it you didn't feel seen no and I don't like when they flashback so

[00:24:44] much to the old seasons because it just makes me sad for how much better they were

[00:24:48] yeah don't talk about it. I know I know I don't want to like constantly go back to this but

[00:24:54] you see that like the you see the same with Tyson and you're like oh these were like

[00:24:58] you know the seasons felt big up makes me want to have a token chase absolutely

[00:25:03] the seasons were chunky they had so much made on the bone they were slow they let things

[00:25:08] develop it wasn't so gimmicky like they show me these flashbacks and I'm like oh that is not where we are

[00:25:13] and weirdly like because obviously they've got a lot more money behind it now I would think

[00:25:18] and they're using you know super cool drones and sets and like the production behind survivor is

[00:25:25] amazing compared to in token chains but what they do now feels cheaper to me than token chains.

[00:25:32] I don't know if they have more money does anyone have more money in the economy since sticky

[00:25:36] place like shouldn't jump to assumptions maybe they're on the ground yeah but yeah he's in general

[00:25:41] is isn't a difficult spot but yeah I mean I I liked it I the gimmick worked on me because I was like oh my

[00:25:47] thing the challenge I could do that says you know normally you watch some like you know pushing heavy

[00:25:54] blocks and stuff like lost in terms oh it says a lot about me yeah yeah okay okay like well

[00:26:00] but I but I was aware of it where I was like okay I don't like them just doing the individual

[00:26:05] challenges at the journey like I do find that boring that I didn't find this boring because I liked

[00:26:10] the strategy thing that will the survivor trivia thing has anyone put it out there as a little

[00:26:14] thing to say if you can do it like yeah I mean who can't do it are you tell it Tessa you could do it

[00:26:19] it's the it's the chronology season if you've got it there's a little thingy I'll try and do it

[00:26:24] like I didn't actually watch what the ones what the yeah you can pause it on the thing because

[00:26:29] they put it up there so I don't know if you were doing that like in the car or while feeding

[00:26:33] I'm sorry I didn't I didn't think it was a screenshot out there I'll have a go yeah you could do

[00:26:40] it I could try it's not yeah but no the I mean look the individual like last week when they were

[00:26:46] putting the puzzle together like yeah I definitely didn't really care about that at all but

[00:26:51] I did I mean it was I thought it was cute but I do think that like the best part of the journey

[00:26:56] and we'll talk about it was like this three coming my three draft picks coming together to make

[00:26:59] an alliance like the communal parts of the best and I did think like at least they were able to

[00:27:03] make a decision and not draw rocks it's who's gonna you know do this yeah they made a pretty

[00:27:08] informed decision that she even knew was survived trivia so like then I learned about him two things

[00:27:12] he can do it but he wants to retain his book that's interesting but like now yeah exactly

[00:27:16] they changed they changed from pulling the rock to something that was really like an informed

[00:27:22] decision yeah because they do everything so randomly there's no consistency on these journeys

[00:27:28] at all so it was a better choice it felt like they'd like had feedback that was a bad idea to pull

[00:27:32] rocks because it was a stupid idea and they're like quick change it but the comments time they'll

[00:27:37] pull rocks yeah no it's just it's just random but yeah I mean technically him doing a challenge

[00:27:43] is technically the least interesting part but like because it was my interest I like look past it but

[00:27:48] I was just like you know I was on a high I was like Q at that point I was like smiling because

[00:27:51] they'd won the challenge so I was like in a good mood yeah so that was that but the I want to talk

[00:27:56] about Seiga because obviously they went to tribal council thank god someone else went to tribal

[00:28:01] council as much as I really like Seiga and they're the vibe tribe what did you think about Jim

[00:28:06] here because be underratedly big loss for Jim that I don't know if he's being talked about so much

[00:28:12] it's a pretty exclusive club of people to go out and their first tribal council with an idol

[00:28:16] it includes such names as Russell in Australian survival Chris Noble who had a time

[00:28:23] Jim now I think Aubrey in as you've explained I think there might be it it's pretty exclusive

[00:28:30] yeah what did you think about Jim what did you think about her going out here well I mean it was

[00:28:34] interesting because like I said I had kind of a long pause I mean you know a lot of day in between

[00:28:41] watching most of this episode and then the last 15 minutes and I did not think Jim was going

[00:28:45] home like I felt like it was her episode it was being no I thought she was being kind of built up

[00:28:50] and I thought Maria had more of the decision-making agency between her and Charlie

[00:28:56] and I thought for her it was a clear loss to go with particularly Ben who's clearly close to Charlie

[00:29:04] so I thought we were heading for yeah to lose Ben and I was sad about losing Ben because he seems

[00:29:09] really sweet and but also I was kind of invested in Jim's like you know Burn it to the ground

[00:29:17] to have fun game strategy so I was surprised I was surprised he was gone and I'm interested to see

[00:29:26] where Charlie and Maria move and whether they again it's going to be hard to see because things

[00:29:30] just you know get chucked back into the survivor fun house again but um whether they actually stick

[00:29:35] with the boys and how the girls will react to that it was it was an interesting move I thought

[00:29:42] yeah I mean I definitely want to talk about it from Charlie and Maria's perspective because they are

[00:29:47] key allies that obviously had opposing viewpoints and Charlie's agency wins out so we can talk about

[00:29:53] it from their perspective but for Jim's perspective especially compared to Ben I do think a lot of

[00:29:58] it was there especially like in hearing her ex-adgress and then in like rewatching the episode

[00:30:02] like it was really all there like in her ex-adgress I felt was like the kind of thing where

[00:30:06] like why'd you go home and like what she said I was like no it's not that um like you know like she's

[00:30:11] like I you know I told them my like kind of backstory and they thought maybe that was maybe threatening

[00:30:16] and that I align at the moment with other people the backstory I'm like that's very specific it's not

[00:30:20] that what it is is this is the other things you're saying and it was so obvious and it was even on

[00:30:24] the show she came in like wanting to play like Tony and I think showing how not everyone can play

[00:30:29] like Tony and she actually said that and even the thing she was saying in her ex interview

[00:30:34] was being clocked on the show like she was saying things like I was thinking you know we'll run it

[00:30:38] down and we'll go to the end beat the best we've heard a lot of the slightly I'm like beat the best

[00:30:42] you haven't been to travel council like let's let's think about where we're at you know so there's

[00:30:46] that element of it and Ben says it's like she's right there he's about the million but she's

[00:30:50] thinking about the steps before that she's putting everyone on edge like she was talking about how

[00:30:55] in her ex interview she's resentful of the singing and the music and all of that it's like

[00:31:00] Charlie kept Ben because how much he loved bonding with him with the music and this to me it's such

[00:31:05] incredible example of how to play and not to play a pre-march like Jenka and one in tough fun

[00:31:10] and like that's her prerogative but and we'll talk about it with like the most specific move

[00:31:13] of that which was re-hiding at the where advantage but like to me it was a very destructive game

[00:31:18] was how when they talked about it how can she I play big how can I play hard putting people on

[00:31:22] edge getting like insanely clocked by Ben by Tim when they ask her about you hit the B where

[00:31:27] advantage she says what be where I wanted you know it's big and it's sloppy and it's messy and I

[00:31:32] think it's pretty self-applied that played out to this compared to Ben who I've been really really

[00:31:36] high on the last couple of weeks and continue to be this is someone who played a constructive

[00:31:41] pre-march game it's destructives versus constructive they didn't go to travel accounts for 11 days he

[00:31:45] built relationships with sage and that's why I see his relationship in his bond with Charlie it's all

[00:31:49] positive it's all again like in the green and that's the kind of thing you're gonna connect with

[00:31:54] and that clearly was enough for Charlie to really fight for Ben in a way Maria maybe didn't fight

[00:31:58] for Jamil we can talk about yeah there are odds as allies they're needing to work together how they

[00:32:02] make a decision like that but I really thought that it was all there for someone who

[00:32:06] said that in the vibe tribe and she wasn't vibing that and it's being spoken about by everyone

[00:32:10] on the beach how much you fight for something like that compared to someone like Ben where Maria

[00:32:15] who's not even working with Ben calls him like the most likable entertaining person I've ever met

[00:32:21] or like I have their exact code somewhere but anyway yeah that's incredible and so stark to me

[00:32:28] yeah yeah no definitely I mean I think the sort of interesting thing about the vote is like how did

[00:32:34] Jam lose Maria why did Maria not fight for her the way that Charlie obviously fought for Ben

[00:32:41] because that's you know even with all the twists and the votes lost and the votes gain a little

[00:32:46] little everything that happened actually this episode was about like this core alliance with Charlie

[00:32:54] Maria who had their separate interests and relationships and why Jam lost Maria but Ben did not

[00:33:02] lose Charlie that's like what was interesting about this vote right yeah let's discuss that

[00:33:07] because I know he has the exact word Mariah who is again not technically working with Ben

[00:33:11] says Ben does the most entertaining likable and enjoyable guy I've ever met in my life

[00:33:15] that is an exceptionally well played play promotes for me that to me is like you don't need to find

[00:33:19] an idol like that to me that's that's everything that that person could win so yeah so in terms

[00:33:25] of Maria and Charlie's decision on that and let's talk about it because I think that this has to do

[00:33:29] with what Jam's doing what they're all doing I mean for Charlie let's talk about that because I think

[00:33:34] like that's simple this to me makes all the sense in the in the world of why he would fight for Ben

[00:33:39] and it's compared to people I've criticized this season already Q who wants to cut Kenzie because Kenzie

[00:33:44] so likable and all that so threatening like no as Ben is talked about here as Charlie talks about it

[00:33:53] that's it Ben's a shield he says the word acid yes and this exactly what I said last week at the

[00:33:57] point where as well Tevin was like soda someone I love so much I'm so deeply connected with she's

[00:34:02] way too charismatic like a gift and Ben it's seen that way by Charlie which is unbelievable like

[00:34:08] so you agree that that is good yeah yeah it's an acid if they're with you if they're you know

[00:34:13] someone I remember saying the same thing though about Henry when he came across on the swap being like

[00:34:17] I love this guy we have got to get rid of him because he is not with me he is an asset for somebody

[00:34:23] else so you know if you've got that person that can win over an influence and you know they're

[00:34:30] with you that's something can use for sure yeah so Charlie to his incredible credit is the first

[00:34:38] person to think like that on this season compared to like we can talk about it for Q and

[00:34:42] and you know what Tevin was saying about soda as well but I thought that was excellent and I

[00:34:46] understand why he wanted to fight them so then it comes down to Maria who as you said you thought

[00:34:51] you had more kind of capital in this pair she did have two votes to one so technically she can be

[00:34:57] like Charlie you do you we have the majority she can choose the girls over Charlie would have hated that

[00:35:05] if what I would have hated that as a move if she's done that exactly so the other options other than

[00:35:10] just working it out with Charlie are twofold one you choose the girls and you put off two people

[00:35:18] now over one Mariah who's left in the game without jam and needs to be brought back we can talk

[00:35:22] about that but so you put up to you put off two people you've got a rid of Charlie who's been your

[00:35:27] ally like he even says like we're just beginning so you've now severed that completely if she felt

[00:35:31] strong enough about gem it's something she could have done and so we're saying but don't do that

[00:35:36] any the other part is threatening him with that of hey ally like I just want to be with you but

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[00:35:51] was and clearly not worth it for Jim like but that which is sticking to the crux isn't it

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[00:38:47] things James said she felt like Mariah and Maria were closer so that's already maybe James were

[00:38:52] sacrificing if someone like Mariah is not going home that's the first point the second point

[00:38:56] just again everyone does love Ben so you're still in this alliance that she's been with the guys

[00:39:01] and it's not like you might be on the bottom of something like we're moving into emerge you still

[00:39:04] have something pretty cohesive and she has his own specific individual thing with Tim so she has

[00:39:10] other options where it becomes how much of this relationship you pushing basically in this like kind

[00:39:15] of leverage that she and Charlie might have you don't want to like destabilize this pair you need

[00:39:20] to be collaborative as the pair that you and Charlie working together so if he wants it more it feels

[00:39:24] like maybe he gets that win maybe he gets that that out and if you're not if you aren't willing to

[00:39:29] fight for it as much for all these reasons that feel fine because you have these other outs then you

[00:39:33] give him that one even though you have the two votes because the the other part of that is I have

[00:39:37] two votes I have more leverage over you ally that's how we're starting this working relationship I get

[00:39:42] what I want and who really wants to be an ally like that so it's like the more I think about it

[00:39:46] the more okay I'm with it for Maria I do wish for her that she could have got her way I do think

[00:39:52] the girls are better for her she's telling us she has less trust in the guys she wants to go with

[00:39:56] the girls like for her I wanted to have the connections that she actively wants and has pursued

[00:40:00] more maybe but in knowing that both are okay options for her and that she's going to prioritize

[00:40:05] Charlie who's that key connection in a tough spot without making it combatant yeah combattas

[00:40:11] yeah I um I see it you know and I get it I think that's important no I say it too and I had forgotten

[00:40:18] about Maria's relationship with Tim was I kind of even remember whatever so it was when they were

[00:40:23] like we've got this parent thing first I think yeah they're like connected quite quickly as parents

[00:40:29] which I kind of get like it's true that that's something they have that is separate to what

[00:40:33] what else is going on so it's not like she's an outsider completely with the guys and you're right

[00:40:38] she's probably not going to have isolated Mariah that much other than by lying and not voting

[00:40:45] with her which is you know as we were saying votes are what things come down to but she's got a very

[00:40:51] strong relationship with Ben she can probably be talked back around moving into a merge with this

[00:40:56] group that has been actually quite cohesive yeah and I want to talk about a few things with

[00:41:02] Mariah as an example because they don't split on Mariah and I want to talk about that as a communal

[00:41:08] decision compared to the guys and then we have to go back to Gem hid this free hid this beware

[00:41:14] which was a move we really just like last week which I think played out because again it was like

[00:41:19] it was Tony not everyone like even Tony suffered for being Tony one of the three times he was Tony

[00:41:24] that's not even Tony can pull it off every time like 66% success right which is pretty impressive but

[00:41:30] yeah I felt like that made things very limited and restrictive in this like kind of communal tribe

[00:41:37] that's trying to go to merge they all know the merge is coming up they're trying to be as like cohesive as

[00:41:41] possible so as an example like either way so like if Gem is whether she has the idol or

[00:41:47] and has been lying about it and planted it or they actually have the idol either way like the guys

[00:41:51] are like this open they have the idol target so you probably want to split on them now we're

[00:41:55] splitting on people like now we're moving into a merge having split the void on someone you might

[00:41:59] don't want to do that and if Tim's the one who has the idol it makes Ben more of the open

[00:42:04] target which means Charlie can't even have more of like a compromise of like take out Tim instead of

[00:42:08] Ben so I felt like she really restricted that up whereas compared to Gem either like either she has

[00:42:13] the idol and she's been lying or they have it anyway either way she's the one targeting this kind

[00:42:17] of open idol threat so now we can bounce back on her fully blind side her they don't split the

[00:42:22] void which I thought interesting they leave Mariah out but it was an interesting I thought like half

[00:42:26] measures for me where you were still cautious so you don't want to tell Mariah unless she does

[00:42:29] go to Gem who might have the idol there's something out there um and that to me I think that would be

[00:42:34] way too scary but you also don't split on her so that you can come back and a lot can be on Mariah to

[00:42:39] be like hey you like Ben too you know how much Charlie likes Ben we never wanted it to be you we never

[00:42:44] even split on you it was never going to be you but we just like Gem was putting everyone on

[00:42:48] age and it's so much a gem problem and that doesn't even necessarily have to be untrue

[00:42:52] and then maybe you pull her back in this like type 5 so good emerges it's much more communal for

[00:42:56] me and I think it's indicative of how much Gem blocks things up when she made this be wear advantage like

[00:43:01] again it's like restrictive camp dynamic yeah I mean like I said Gem was someone who I think

[00:43:07] was just watching things but into the ground and thinking it was funny which I quite enjoyed um

[00:43:14] it was a messy move I kind of get her being like oh this is so conveyor and just wanting to push back

[00:43:21] I can be like this too you know when someone's being super nice and you just want to be like

[00:43:26] oh stop being so nice like you want to kind of start with spanner back in the works or if someone's

[00:43:32] being really you know if he was born mean I get like over nice back in return I think sometimes

[00:43:36] it's just like you just want to be a big contradictory and some kind of get her being like

[00:43:42] let's see you come by our in the ant hole um but it was a terrible move especially when Ben

[00:43:48] who clearly set the tone for the tribe was like oh this is a real dick move whoever did this

[00:43:54] oh how are you presenting that back to the jury especially unfortunately as a young woman it's

[00:44:03] easier when you are attorney or a Luke I think to present your like you know um crazy skier cheekiness

[00:44:11] your larykin stuff and get away with it let alone middle age women like me would never get away

[00:44:17] with presenting this to a jury so you know I think that it was ugly in terms of what she was

[00:44:23] actually going to make of it in the end but it was also kind of funny and I kind of got why she did it

[00:44:28] so you know yeah I understand from Maria letting gem go it was interesting listening to you talk

[00:44:36] about whether they could have brought in Mariah um because I kind of think when you were saying it

[00:44:43] then I felt like I could imagine her being like yeah you're right we've actually lost this

[00:44:46] vote anyway do I want to give gem the power to use her idol if she has it because she doesn't know

[00:44:52] that she's got it like is Mariah really gonna take that information back to gem knowing that they

[00:44:57] don't have the numbers not knowing if she's got an idol because gem has kept that from her alliance

[00:45:04] yes like but they don't know what Mariah knows I think that the issue is like what if gem has

[00:45:09] told Mariah and they are the two that have the idol I mean look if you're Ben and Tim you know

[00:45:13] it's not the two of you so it's kind of a dicey spot and it does give Mariah the agent's feed to be

[00:45:20] like do you want to be on the bottom of this alliance or do you want to force something now and then

[00:45:23] have the time later to bring Maria back more to your power now because they're going to emerge pretty

[00:45:28] soon she might just want to jump on board with the group if it was a couple of triples before I think

[00:45:32] she 100% upsets the apple cart and doesn't leave herself on the bottom of the tribe there is a chance

[00:45:38] of course that she does the communal thing because we're going through to a communal

[00:45:41] a communal group with merge but still her decision still giving her quite a lot of power for someone

[00:45:46] that you're not working with and who the guys are not working with her I mean that's still not too bad

[00:45:51] for Maria and Charlie though because then I mean if Mariah does know and she says actually

[00:45:56] you know there is something I know we can do something about this gem does have the idol

[00:46:00] is she then going to isolate Maria and Charlie and not involve them in that idol

[00:46:07] you know is she not going to just put the majority back to the girl's side

[00:46:14] so if in terms of it's Mariah yeah Mariah knows that gem has the idol and Maria

[00:46:19] gives her your spiel about why we're doing this so sorry this is not about you you know this is

[00:46:24] gem as kind of being really disruptive we're moving into a merge we want to move all together

[00:46:28] Charlie and Ben are super close I'm having a lot of trouble getting Charlie around to

[00:46:32] saving gem you know but I don't want to isolate you I want to do this with you and Mariah says

[00:46:37] actually gem has an idol like is Mariah going to then actually not tell Maria

[00:46:46] and tell gem and idol someone out or is she going to involve Maria then and Maria involves Charlie

[00:46:54] and they become a different majority well I think that's important because firstly for Charlie

[00:46:59] he doesn't want to become a different majority so if again if it's again on his agency he think he'd

[00:47:03] rather be super protective of these numbers he's chosen and maybe sacrifice Mariah to a degree

[00:47:09] if necessary if they can't bring her back so on his agency I think he's definitely doing that

[00:47:14] for Maria I mean she doesn't even want to be going with the guys so yeah like in terms of

[00:47:18] investing more in the women that might make more sense for her if gem saves herself again

[00:47:23] there might be something they've ever heard so numbers she wanted to go with anyway although

[00:47:26] an idol play it's a pretty destructive way if we're talking about constructives versus destructives

[00:47:31] a pretty destructive way kind of fracture the tribe before emerge so in the interest of collaboration

[00:47:38] I would think shouldn't Maria do it as a two-part move like does it have to be before the vote and

[00:47:44] know that it starts to get blindsided but to be able to go to her and say but I mean like Mariah

[00:47:48] doesn't have much else is she gonna vina style fully flip or is it like she still loves these

[00:47:53] people and there is so much understanding and she doesn't even get a vote I feel like that you

[00:47:57] could really understand that without having to have the risk of telling her before the vote ever happens

[00:48:02] I don't know I feel like telling her before the vote is so different in terms of um

[00:48:08] I was very proud because she is you know it depends how close she is to Maria as well

[00:48:12] and how important that relationship is which I would have thought you know for Maria moving more

[00:48:19] with Charlie and Ben and I'm not sure how close she is with Tim and that sort of changes things

[00:48:24] to me like if they're super close and she trusts that if she kind of loses Charlie a bit she'll still

[00:48:28] have Tim um I feel like it is important and maybe it just changes the direction that they move like

[00:48:38] I don't see Mariah and Jim maybe I don't see enough of Mariah at least know what exactly what she

[00:48:46] would do but yeah using that idol to idol somebody out behind everyone's back and not just

[00:48:53] including Maria in that conversation and doing it together like maybe even saving the idol having

[00:48:57] that moving into merge and just voting together rather than losing Jim and the idol

[00:49:06] yeah in terms of like if you mean Maria knows about it yeah and Maria tells her this is what we're

[00:49:14] doing because you know I can't do anything else we don't have the numbers we've lost Charlie

[00:49:18] on this vote and Mariah says actually there is something we could do we've got the idol

[00:49:23] maybe that brings Maria back and she just vote yeah exactly much more together in the idol

[00:49:29] I feel like they would see it as I mean if anything well that this is a very different hypothetical

[00:49:33] because in this world Jim has included Mariah which is not the idol and then she's a

[00:49:39] very then she's a different player than the player that she's been so but I mean that doesn't necessarily

[00:49:44] inform their decision making around like telling Mariah I just think for and we I want to talk about

[00:49:50] that for Jim but for Charlie I think there's no upside and risking the numbers he's actively

[00:49:54] totally like it's fighting so hard for her and for Maria if she's if she's going all in with

[00:50:01] Charlie on this it becomes that should she get a little bit back should she get her Mariah back

[00:50:05] and have the risk on that and should Charlie give her that thing because again you don't want to do it

[00:50:08] against Charlie because like you're all in with Charlie you're not so once you're going on with

[00:50:12] Charlie is it like hey Charlie then can I at least bring in Mariah yeah or is it like hey if we're

[00:50:16] all choosing to do this like let's just do the plan and not do the half-measures and I see that

[00:50:21] point of it as well and then Maria it's all gonna be on you to bring back Mariah and I think you can

[00:50:24] do it even though it's a harder task than doing it beforehand but it's less risky I think I mean

[00:50:28] again for Charlie I get it and for Maria I also understand once we're going all in once this is a

[00:50:34] concession we're making once we've seen the other outs if it's sacrificed from Mariah that does suck

[00:50:39] but there's still the option to get her back and you still have Tim and you still have Charlie and

[00:50:42] you've still like gone all in on this plan where but they obviously where where the foot was put

[00:50:48] down and where the line was drawn as they didn't vote for Mariah I think that's very important because

[00:50:51] then it's not personal yeah you know then it really is a gem thing and was your relationship with gem

[00:50:55] but like it was never going to be you and I think that's a very big distinction for me but in talking

[00:51:00] about that makes gem a different person if gem's collaborative and that's what I've been thinking

[00:51:04] about so much because you find it beware advantage and she's clearly bored she wants the high

[00:51:09] jinx and everything there are other moves to be made you know constructive moves and Robby even

[00:51:14] asked her what do you think would have happened like if you told your life did you have this idol

[00:51:19] and like at that point it is hard for me to see them voting her out but that's a very different

[00:51:23] that's a very different person and player like at the point where she's just told Mariah

[00:51:30] it as an example that actually might be worse than I don't think that they necessarily

[00:51:34] doing voter out because they might be like wait you should just told Mariah like now you're the

[00:51:38] shady person and you just told Mariah we are you know voting if you know we have an idol maybe now

[00:51:43] that that point directly splitting um but at the and at the point where she's told obviously no one

[00:51:48] that's the kind of game she was playing that was so individual when she was thinking like I'm

[00:51:51] gonna whip this out at final tribal council I was like Gem you haven't been to a tribal council yet

[00:51:56] that was and that was her plan but it's so individual but there's a move that you can make that

[00:52:00] she chooses a destructive thing set people in a wild goose chase they tie everything up be super

[00:52:05] restrictive versus the constructive thing I think tell your allies tell the four unified them

[00:52:12] around this thing and then yes it had that happened again she'd have to be a very different person

[00:52:16] and a different player but I can't imagine that and all the the negatives with those red flags

[00:52:21] wouldn't be there but it's hard for me to see that person who goes home because then it's like

[00:52:25] now we're concrete we haven't had a vote to be concrete but this is this is kind of something

[00:52:29] and that's a lot of trust and it's a huge asset going forward so Ben is kind of social shield

[00:52:34] lessons to what she can bring which is given that much to also isolate um you know Ben and Tim

[00:52:40] away from that alliance so yeah and then she asked Rob and then Rob asked her sorry and then

[00:52:45] she was like well I couldn't do that because I couldn't tell them I had the idol because I sent

[00:52:49] them on this wild goose chase I'm like yes that was very limiting that's the whole point so

[00:52:53] I think a different decision could have been made there because I think we're talking about

[00:52:56] three different versions of jam the one we got that was super individual that was that is the

[00:53:00] whole reason that they thought they didn't bond with her that made her not worth fighting for

[00:53:04] then there's a version which was like what if just Mariah knows where those two then become

[00:53:07] threatening and should be targeted and then but then there's a version that maybe okay who could

[00:53:11] unify around this idol and that's the person who tells three allies and a majority what we have

[00:53:16] and move in in a really constructive way to the version but that was not the gem was yeah that's what

[00:53:20] yeah you did that I think yeah right and that was interesting like we were talking about how important

[00:53:25] the votes are to solidify you know alliances and to create those dynamics and to give some

[00:53:32] you know give people something concrete to talk about and to um explain their games and the sort of

[00:53:38] journey they've had it's true that an idol and sharing an idol amongst your alliance I think

[00:53:44] can have that effect of it's not voting together but it's you know we have this information amongst

[00:53:50] us in this tool that we'll be able to use although the way they the mechanism with the idol of course

[00:53:57] and I'm interested to know what you think about it the way that they've made these beware idols

[00:54:04] such that you are always going to have to mad scramble between the challenge finishing and tribal

[00:54:13] council like it obviously takes up important scramble time and it's like so suspicious and

[00:54:20] it's decedited her saying I want to go on an individual idol hunt which I am critical of but I

[00:54:24] also felt like I could give them was grace too because she actually had for a tribe that does

[00:54:28] everything together yeah that was a very unfortunate spot for her to be in yeah I mean most people would

[00:54:33] take a beware advantage I can't blame over that choice like I think that's fine but I mean it was

[00:54:37] a tough spot we've seen enough seasons that we can blame people for taking these beware advantages

[00:54:42] but I do I know I know I do over and over but I do it but I do the least because I feel like it's

[00:54:47] just like so baked into the gameplay at this point that I can't be like actually took the beware

[00:54:53] advantage how destructive is that it is destructive it is anti social on the social try but it's

[00:54:57] like so commonplace that like I'm more critical of the other like more specifically destructive things

[00:55:04] like they're like re-hiding it like you really went out of your way to then like compound any of

[00:55:08] that threat level you know it's so bizarre how they've made it so it has to be this mad dash at a time

[00:55:13] when you should be mad dashing to get the numbers for the vote not running off by yourself

[00:55:19] and also it means that you know in those calm you know whatever they had 11 days where they were not

[00:55:24] voting even if you'd found it on day one you couldn't actually say add the idle yet like

[00:55:29] you still don't have the idle in fact you don't have a vote so you're telling your group like

[00:55:34] let's you know unify around this solid thing but I don't have it yet I also don't have my vote like

[00:55:40] yeah that guarantee you have anything so it's made a trickier unifying point

[00:55:46] that is true as well that some might say that you need even more cover but it is bad to you know

[00:55:53] as allies you don't want to be and that's why Ben lied about not having a vote like you don't

[00:55:56] want to seem vulnerable in saying that had she got the the the idle on the day and hadn't

[00:56:03] limited herself where she could never tell anyone what she had done because she'd sent them on

[00:56:06] the whole ant chase then she could say like you can see I literally found it like I have a note

[00:56:11] that says we can only get it when I lose it I found it today so she could even unify in the moment

[00:56:15] I mean they're making the decision that day so like it would be pretty helpful like she doesn't

[00:56:18] need to necessarily tell them get had she not limited it she could have even done that at the time

[00:56:23] so yeah I think it's interesting I'm still kind of thinking through not telling Maria I just

[00:56:27] think I like it I don't know I just think like I just think that it was a really good middle ground

[00:56:32] I thought not splitting on her was very interesting um I thought that was a big choice because in this

[00:56:36] world of like again Q is pretending to quit they made a fake idle for Jess who didn't even want to be

[00:56:42] there versus you know like we're talking about how much openness should they give in like a world

[00:56:47] of shots in the dark and with everyone so paranoid that anything can be played we're like how much

[00:56:52] how much less protection should they have for trust which going into emerged and with this

[00:56:57] vibe tribe is particularly interesting and I do think they struck a good balance on that caution

[00:57:02] versus that relationship building in not telling her and not splitting I can see probably the argument

[00:57:08] fit for in both directions of being that much more cautious and splitting but I'm not in favor but

[00:57:13] I see the argument and I feel the fact that argument for telling her because it's such an interesting

[00:57:17] kind of like binary choice but I think that where they land is like a good kind of Goldie locks

[00:57:23] I mean to me it makes complete sense not to split from Charlie and Maria's perspective because

[00:57:28] I know where the girls are going anyway and it's not going on them but they had very little to lose

[00:57:33] and they were clearly I think the way it's presented to us that they were this sort of strategic mind

[00:57:39] on that side anyway yeah and it didn't seem like Tim and Ben knew if if Maria would use her extra

[00:57:47] votes so they don't even know that they can necessarily be a split because they're talking as if

[00:57:52] they don't know if Ben will have a vote and Ben knows he doesn't have a vote so they don't have

[00:57:55] agency to be like can you also use your extra vote to split so like they really have the power

[00:57:58] there without the threatening about it to just do what they want to do and if they don't want to

[00:58:03] put Maria off like that that was obviously what they were able to what did you think of Maria

[00:58:07] using her extra vote she said on social media like she basically just wanted to burn it before

[00:58:11] the merge because it was like a threatening thing that people would know that she has because it

[00:58:15] was public obviously in that game and people went back to their tribe Jillinsky went back to his

[00:58:21] tribe and and Tevin would have gone back as well so it was interesting because I kind of love the

[00:58:26] idea of like after bitching about the extra vote for so many years it's like yeah the best use

[00:58:29] of it is just burning it to no reason yeah I mean

[00:58:36] I don't really thought about it the extra vote such a lame um exactly why do they love it so much

[00:58:43] they keep using it why don't they realize I don't know yeah at least make it a steal a vote but

[00:58:54] I don't know I haven't not really got any thoughts on it and so I want to say like

[00:58:58] they're coming to a 13 person merge what are you possibly going to do with an extra vote and then

[00:59:03] I'm like erna they're going to murder me how does that affect can you use extra vote there is

[00:59:08] that more you can use it but like again you it needs to be it's it's breaking a tie yeah

[00:59:15] like I do actually do think that like the idea of her being differentiated in any way with

[00:59:20] even just something even if it's pretty minimal can be bad versus I don't think it's necessarily

[00:59:26] hugely going to help I mean no one's coming in with an outright majority like if Maria goes home

[00:59:31] because she couldn't split a tie with her extra vote it was her time like that you know like and

[00:59:35] I know people have done interesting things with it but extra votes become a lot more interesting

[00:59:40] at smaller tribes yeah they're gonna split them soon but she doesn't want the heat of on

[00:59:44] her back of having this extra thing for much longer anyway so she'd have to pretty much kind

[00:59:48] of burn it soon anyway and she goes into the merge not having anything I think it's fine like all

[00:59:53] Maria's decisions this episode like I think tough spot and I get it maybe it like not like wow

[00:59:59] but like I understand her perspective I will say this is what we were talking about pre podcast and

[01:00:04] that's what let us talk about age like the hate from Maria on this move is so gross and so

[01:00:11] inevitable and I ran I just I ran about it too much but like especially all the women and especially

[01:00:17] mothers and like they're seeing it so much with Caroline who had the exact same situation not

[01:00:22] two months ago when she voted out another younger fan favorite woman pre merge who also could have

[01:00:29] been saved with an idol and wasn't I got so much hate if I had a nickel I'd have two nickels which

[01:00:35] is crazy because it's been only three months of this year and that hate the Maria is getting from

[01:00:39] people who think that they are feminist and who think that they are allies and then just use any excuse

[01:00:44] to hate on a woman who makes the move again in our own agency but also within the difficulties of

[01:00:49] managing allies and managing her alliance with Charlie and like the fact that makes sense for him and

[01:00:54] the fact that she needs to like move her game forward and also wanted to work with Jim but have

[01:00:58] to like make concessions in a game of relationships and then we'll get hate from it within that complexity

[01:01:04] and the fact that this is solo mistakes like it's survivor it's just like it's just it's just competing

[01:01:09] with leaf low is this my number one pet peeve right now so yeah that feels out of context

[01:01:16] well lastly I said mine I want to leave low isn't it's not close but I really think that this one

[01:01:21] could challenge it because it happens so often and not feminism and death threats to women because

[01:01:26] they voted out another woman on survivor and making and the crazy thing about it is that like

[01:01:30] and the solution is this is not to give Charlie more hate any years getting some hate but he's

[01:01:34] getting considerably less hate than I've seen than Maria which is crazy because it was more his

[01:01:38] decision but people just want to hate on women I can't yeah it's infuriating I really I absorb

[01:01:46] your feelings that's yeah as a middle-aged woman I know and we'll literally never be able to go back

[01:01:55] on reality TV because now I'm in middle-aged women and yeah no I don't get it I don't I didn't

[01:02:03] really see it as being a feminist issue on the the soap box that I have a lot about a lot of

[01:02:09] feminist issues this is not one of them that Maria voted out jam I can't vote out women and you

[01:02:14] have to vote for women to win the game and women have to do all these other specific things

[01:02:18] because that's feminism it's for women to be boxed in to just you know have the burden of not being

[01:02:23] able to play the room game or have their own agency so that other women can flourish when actual

[01:02:28] feminism is women being able to play their own game and have their own success without you the fans

[01:02:34] not the but not in my audience please but without you the royal you yeah hating on them

[01:02:42] yeah that's not playing survive okay and I am sorry Maria that she's going through that that's

[01:02:49] and really unfair you should just be able to play a game and make decisions that make sense to you

[01:02:54] and not have to worry about it and I don't even have to look at what it spews out of the internet after

[01:03:00] yeah yeah I would be very upset to have to do more leaf blowers as my top pet peeve because it's

[01:03:04] a pretty big part of who I am but I really think if it happens again this year if it happens again

[01:03:11] this year I am so sorry but it is so likely to happen again this year

[01:03:18] popular because that is it's popular social media it's not the real world on the whole though

[01:03:23] and I mean yeah I look I just said I think that this move made more sense for Charlie it gave

[01:03:31] Charlie more power but I do get it from Maria and she was in a particularly tricky spot not because

[01:03:39] of the girls being on one side of the boys being on one another side she's something that my

[01:03:43] three-year-old is just starting to figure out about girls and boys doing blah blah blah anyway

[01:03:48] the internet is basically at the stage of a three-year-old and not because it's the girls and boys

[01:03:53] but because Ben made himself inherently more of an asset than Jim did as a human being like it's

[01:03:59] got nothing to do with girls and the boys that's it that's perfectly well said Jim made herself

[01:04:05] a harder ally to defend exactly and that became in in the discussion of two collaborative allies

[01:04:11] Charlie and Maria who were making the situation together it wasn't about Maria having more

[01:04:14] votes because that's incredibly combative you know like that's the kind of like like having a

[01:04:20] married argument it's like well I did this and I like is that gonna go well like no like you know

[01:04:24] like that's not I have an extra vote like okay and I don't think you're threatening me with that

[01:04:30] you know and you know in terms of rating the room from Maria's point of view I think we say in Charlie's

[01:04:39] interviews that he is really committed to Maria like she has correctly read that he is a strong

[01:04:46] ally for her and he's making these decisions based on them and the two of them and how are they

[01:04:50] gonna move forward not on how can I you know add a number to the boys alliance that's not what's

[01:04:56] happening here they're working together yeah 100 percent I think that again if we're saying that

[01:05:02] she loses more in every part of this voting out Jim without telling Mariah then she's putting

[01:05:09] all of that investment in Charlie and we do think that she's getting it back and I think that that is

[01:05:13] that's a win that we need to consider and I also think Tim you know Tim outwardly and let's talk

[01:05:19] about this from you know my draft picks slash the threats making their alliance Tim brings in Maria

[01:05:26] as his second and there's been a lot of um conversation about like how much has he been truthful

[01:05:31] because we from what we know that an advocacy would say then you know hunter very truthfully says

[01:05:37] heaven Q actually doesn't even people like Q set his number two Q knows that's out there to the point

[01:05:42] what hunter says at first actually he's like oh you bring Tiffany and Q's like yes I would um

[01:05:46] and I want to talk through that because I think that it's a cool I think it's a cool alliance

[01:05:51] suggestion I think that it can't hurt but for Tim to to bring in Maria a lot of people looking

[01:05:57] as like well is he really hiding it or is that his ally and I don't think it's so binary like I

[01:06:01] actually think like you know in this dynamic relationship that you have he says that Maria has an

[01:06:06] extra vote she had an extra vote at the time um maybe she just makes more sense for the dynamic

[01:06:10] that he's putting forward here he's also really close to Ben he's probably also really close to

[01:06:14] Charlie and Maria as one of those three that he sees himself as like a key ally with she makes

[01:06:18] sense for that so if he's getting that back from him and I do think that that is a win because all

[01:06:23] of the six of them what they've just done is that doesn't need to be the final six although for my

[01:06:28] draft team that would be phenomenal actually but it doesn't necessarily need to be the final six but

[01:06:32] if we're going to mergatory and there are options in the six that six out of 13 people don't want to

[01:06:37] vote for versus another option that could be more sacrificial that's really great for them and

[01:06:42] Maria has been brought into that protection so I do think we see other wins that she has that

[01:06:47] means that she can not necessarily get her number one priority and still her second priority might

[01:06:51] be something really great for her yeah a great yeah do you want to what did you think about this

[01:06:58] beef threats the threat aligns guys coming to hunter brings in tevin q says tiffini and then

[01:07:04] Tim says Maria so that would be absolutely look at it yeah again look it started off bad it started

[01:07:10] off with like the chest fading like you know where the three physical threats left my

[01:07:14] draft game yeah because that's classic shannon to pick for the physical threats yes because it's

[01:07:20] very good for my average draft placement they don't go pre-emerge it's very good and it's very

[01:07:24] good for not necessarily for winning because I have one yet but yeah yeah the stats and that's me

[01:07:30] that's literally that could be my twitter bio what do I think if I'm playing this now I mean

[01:07:35] I like a lot of these people but I'm an ally hunter um does everyone like hunter again I don't

[01:07:42] know what anyone's saying about this season but I like hunter but he had an interesting

[01:07:48] moment with Venus this episode that made me like a little bit less high on him where I felt like

[01:07:52] he really dropped his social game and was quite antagonistic with her so that worries me a little

[01:07:59] bit about his you know I guess actual gameplay once they start playing because who knows what

[01:08:06] they're gonna be like um and who did he say he was bring tevin oh yeah he would bring tevin

[01:08:13] who brings the social game I suppose um I don't think these things ever really pan out and if

[01:08:22] they ever had any hope of panning out as cool as ever groupers they are on the whole things like

[01:08:28] mercury that chucks so many spanners in the works of the early merge I think we'll just sort of scatter

[01:08:35] what possibility it had of working the only thing that does make me higher on putting that out

[01:08:41] you know on cue putting it out into the world before merge is that they have this like weird

[01:08:46] restricted vote that sort of ends up coming down to like who has fewer people defending their honor

[01:08:53] because it might just be something that you know I guess uh brings in their close allies under a

[01:09:00] little bit of extra protection if they're vulnerable in mega tree that's kind of where I think it's

[01:09:06] power is I feel is yeah pure protection of if you're hunter and you could have voted against Tiffany

[01:09:14] Q and Kenzie they're all vulnerable Kenzie gets sacrificed and for someone like Q that makes a lot

[01:09:19] of sense for someone like hunter as well you know these are the people who have a little bit less

[01:09:24] whereas like against Siege is pretty collaborative and I really do see Siege I think they can bring

[01:09:29] Mariah back and I see that fire as being like I think they need to like get a couple of numbers and

[01:09:33] run it down like if it's Janu or start picking up individuals like a Venus and they you know try

[01:09:38] and take out some targets and then run it down I think Siege could do that but I think Nami

[01:09:42] have so fractured and Janu are tiny so they need other things and it's becoming pretty individual

[01:09:48] and so for hunter and Q who might only really care about themselves and those key allies that

[01:09:53] they mentioned I think that there's a lot there I mean hunter talks about how much he likes it from

[01:09:57] a physical standpoint Q's one suggested it which I'm really high on because obviously it resonated

[01:10:02] with at least hunter and if it just gets them through one vote where it could be you and it could be

[01:10:07] Kenzie that survival is enough for me so I think that that was pretty good from a threat perspective

[01:10:14] it kind of reminded me of 42 when they had like a threat alliance and they all started making

[01:10:18] concessions and Taku did the best with it because Taku's concession was Mariah and they kept

[01:10:22] protecting her versus the other you know they started to give up like Tori and Chanel

[01:10:29] and like they put people even Romeo Dre for Romeo dropped him um and so it became about managing

[01:10:35] that and and surviving through on it but then also managing other interests and Taku did that

[01:10:40] the best and that's why they did so well with it so I think that yeah you have to like you can't

[01:10:45] just invest fully in that alliance but if it can be a layer of protection and then you have different

[01:10:51] kind of options I think that there's some good stuff there for people and I thought it was good

[01:10:54] of Q to maximize on that situation yeah makes them allies and put us in plans yeah I didn't

[01:10:59] know why this sort of brought other people in and found out a little bit about them as well

[01:11:04] yes and that's true as well because Q knows all his information has been given up by Bano so he's

[01:11:08] happy to give his pair anyway it's literally said before he says it and he gets other information

[01:11:14] so I thought that was yeah that was that was pretty good for him yeah what was interesting

[01:11:21] for me was that Tiffany was between Q and Kenzie this I found really interesting that you know the

[01:11:27] whole monologue about you know it's so hard for me to have to choose between my two allies

[01:11:31] so being so loved so difficult um that was fascinating to me because I've always assumed there

[01:11:36] was no question like I always assumed it was Q and Tiffany to the end and that's why I really felt

[01:11:42] like Q could afford to keep Kenzie who in some ways was a threat to that loyalty and alliance I thought

[01:11:49] but I didn't really think so and I thought she was a better more cohesive tribe mate now which

[01:11:54] turns out to be true they do come second in the challenge that it moves um and then I thought was

[01:11:59] better for the future that she could be a bit of a target or a shield in way Bano wouldn't be

[01:12:03] but I'm like I think it gives a little bit more credence to him wanting to go in different

[01:12:08] directions over the pre-emerge which I've been kind of critical of but I'm like no keep Kenzie

[01:12:11] she's a good shield she's a good she's an asset to you if she was ever a threat to Tiffany's loyalty

[01:12:17] for him I actually see why he was you know I don't think he could have got it done but I see why

[01:12:21] he was targeting her at times if that was ever true or the case I always thought Tiffany and Kenzie

[01:12:27] were very close and it might be again because I'd been into that first bit and they're close but

[01:12:32] I just I didn't think that it would it would ever be closer than Tiffany and Q who often spoke about

[01:12:37] how much closer they were than Kenzie I felt oh no I really always felt like she was in the middle

[01:12:42] I think you know there's that like quite nice at the start where Tiffany is like sorry Kenzie says

[01:12:49] like no Tiffany's my girl like we've we're together and every time Q sort of says oh I'm not sure

[01:12:58] about Kenzie you can see Tiffany like stiffening up like oh no I am sure about her

[01:13:04] I feel like I feel like she was always kind of in the middle of the two of them you know just

[01:13:10] accepting the love that they keep throwing at her and so I wasn't surprised that she felt

[01:13:17] in the middle I think you know she leans towards Q but I couldn't be sure about that like I thought

[01:13:22] she seemed really close with Kenzie and and I thought that Q wanting to target Kenzie for being close

[01:13:31] to Tiffany was very insecure of him and like two of your allies being close is not a reason to take

[01:13:39] out a good ally like I hated that I feel like if Kenzie's a threat to him and I honestly still

[01:13:46] think that Q is Tiffany's number one I mean Baneu is the one putting out that dynamic not that we

[01:13:51] necessarily know if Baneu's reading the dynamics the best but it's being put out externally and

[01:13:56] I don't feel like we ever got from Tiffany being like I guess you know I felt like that was

[01:14:00] actually true what we saw but in a world where Kenzie's a real threat to that I don't think it's

[01:14:06] jealous I think it's accurate like is it jealous if your partner is actually cheating on you like

[01:14:11] and the reason that it's accurate is because the odds of them going down to a two-person tribe

[01:14:16] are extraordinarily high and a lot of my like pre-mosed disaster tribe thinking in the new era has

[01:14:22] always been like how do you get to be the two how do you put yourself into position where you know

[01:14:25] that you could use every challenge and still come out as the Malcolm in Denise which like Shana

[01:14:28] Ricardo did as an example you know I thought at first at Caleb and Survive put themselves in that

[01:14:33] spot and that was not true but it then think Caleb and Emily put themselves in that spot so

[01:14:38] yeah that to me has been like how do you cut down to be what starts up as a minority two of six

[01:14:43] and you're going to cut it down to be the two and I felt that you know Q needed to keep on the path

[01:14:48] that would end up with him and Tiffany but at any point if they'd gone to tribal council and

[01:14:51] they were pretty close if he's at any risk there then I think that considering taking our Kenzie

[01:14:57] actually looks better in hindsight even but I think that the issue for him is he was put in a very

[01:15:02] unfortunate spot because Kenzie's a much better asset in many other ways for their cohesive Yarno 3

[01:15:08] to now win this challenge for the future short to long-term challenges to how they're going to build

[01:15:14] again be constructive as this Yarno 3 I think she is much better it just sucks for him that he's

[01:15:18] social outs and the way he could have got controls with like Jess and Barnau and that was not

[01:15:23] the way so I just think that that's again an unfortunate spot that he's put in but I actually

[01:15:28] think there is some merit to thinking about it if Kenzie's going to be a real threat for that

[01:15:32] top two spot which is like what you're aiming for. It's true I still don't think about things

[01:15:36] in terms of this sort of new era you know disaster tribes that you actually have a reasonable

[01:15:41] chance of ending up as a two on your tribe pre-merge I still you know and think more in terms of at

[01:15:49] least 10 people on the tribe and that you're very unlikely to get down to being the you know it's

[01:15:55] definitely to grow so it was such an outlier in survivor for so long yeah but now we get it all

[01:16:01] there's no exactly. It's true when you were saying like it's not being jealous if your partner's

[01:16:08] actually cheating I was like yeah but then a partner's they're in alliance so like you don't

[01:16:11] need to be at two and it's okay not to me it's okay not to be number one and two of the alliance

[01:16:18] because that can actually be a really vulnerable spot but in this new era it's really yeah

[01:16:25] something they probably have to think about so sorry Q. Yeah well it is I mean the odds of them

[01:16:32] yeah they said they're like we assume we were gonna lose so and I still think the Q makes it out

[01:16:38] there but yet even having Tiffany even remotely weigh it up because like if they take out Kenzie

[01:16:44] I mean obviously Barnu's gone and they probably also lose that challenge because I think

[01:16:48] this cohesive three got it done not to Kenzie was like amazing the challenge but

[01:16:52] that was the three like Barnu I don't know what would have happened but like the Juja would have

[01:16:56] been off like they would have they would have been melting down and something would have happened

[01:17:00] they probably would have lost but then they would have taken out Barnu so it was embedded like

[01:17:03] commit to losing but no you're the two either way I don't think he could like I don't think he

[01:17:08] like he was hey he had numbers who didn't have votes like Barnu as an example like I don't think

[01:17:12] he could have convinced Tiffany over for this reason I think Tiffany has had all the agency on Yarnu

[01:17:17] clearly but I think you've been in a tough spot because his agency has relied on more unstable

[01:17:21] people as we've been saying for someone like Maria compared to like at least Tiffany went in

[01:17:27] and aligned with the two most stable people on on Yarnu on the first day and that's a credit turn

[01:17:31] she ran it down and it worked out really well for her and she's been rolling it I think yeah

[01:17:35] I think to choose credit it seems like Kenzie hasn't noticed that he's low-key targeting her don't

[01:17:41] you reckon yeah she seems to still just seem there are tight three and she hasn't sniffed out that he

[01:17:47] has keeps you know throwing her under the bus at least to you know and gesturing her towards the bus

[01:17:54] and I also think that that's good because I think that that time is like obviously done because

[01:18:00] the phase is over but even the way Q talks about it now he's like this is the three moving forward

[01:18:04] yeah he's like okay we've committed to this isn't and they like you know come off a win

[01:18:08] like if they can get some breathing ground like I actually think that they now could be a pretty

[01:18:13] cohesive three that could have some power so like kind of looking ahead it's interesting because

[01:18:21] yeah there's I think there's these big groups like you could they could all target see got like

[01:18:24] they could they could combine with like a tevin lives if they could you know hunter soda like I

[01:18:30] know that there's been like that's a seven of thirteen okay and I know that it's not chess but

[01:18:35] like if Q and hunter see something in each other and they've made this connection um you're

[01:18:40] marically it makes sense and there's like I think see got even in going to tribal council just

[01:18:46] seem like the more like cohesive blob they're like a big mass threat to me but I wonder if they could

[01:18:52] use if we've already gone to tribal council like we left Mariah Rat can that be used and they bring

[01:18:56] her in and then Nami become like you know like they could be fighting over Yarnu votes to get a

[01:19:01] majority here the two five person tribes so yeah I kind of wonder how how that will go

[01:19:08] I know it's so interesting to think how it would happen if there weren't Mercury like how those

[01:19:12] dynamics would you pan out but we just it's no point really thinking about it because

[01:19:18] they're gonna be so restriction who they convert for yes it is highly likely that

[01:19:24] the most sacrifiable most sacrifiable person will go rather than like let's take a big hit at someone

[01:19:32] like a Ben like this big see got like the king of this like you know kind of well that's not

[01:19:37] my favorite like a you know the five big like a Charlie but like yeah you know if he's like the big

[01:19:42] and that's why Charlie has to use because you've awesome but he's bringing them together Ben

[01:19:46] he's he's raised in their threatening I think coming into mergers because he will really try

[01:19:50] to hold say get together yeah in a different world where that's a very open vote that's an

[01:19:56] interesting target in a world with Mercury I could see it being someone from Yarnu someone

[01:20:00] like Kenzie now who's been put out as a threat who's less protected even someone like Venus who's

[01:20:05] gonna have not one person you know last time we saw it was J. Myer which would be a very similar role

[01:20:09] with where it's like no one sticking up for you and everyone's scared for themselves or their

[01:20:15] allies but it you know it depends who's vulnerable at that point but I think it's someone who's

[01:20:19] kind of more easy to sacrifice at that point because you saw Hunter more negatively in that

[01:20:24] dynamic with Venus yeah so I hated how he was responding to her I just felt like he was like

[01:20:31] he'd lost his patience so much he felt actually talk about the internet being a three-year-old

[01:20:38] I felt like he was the tired parent in that situation who was just like trying his hardest to

[01:20:44] keep his cool with this kid and and waiting for her to go away and entertain herself with something else

[01:20:52] I just I felt like it didn't paint him in as charming a light as everyone had been seeing him

[01:20:58] up until that point I don't know how did you get that interaction

[01:21:04] I think part of you might put more on Venus like Venus is so like she's been wanting to flip

[01:21:09] the whole time so if that's just done kind of it kind of might become more on her but that's it

[01:21:16] I mean that's a number that they've not been able to manage and they might suffer for that or she

[01:21:19] might great or she might be like that as we're saying yes no one will vouch yeah I know I've said

[01:21:24] the same thing with Tevin like it's very hard to you know put accountability there like Venus has

[01:21:30] said the whole time like I know that I put up walls but then I also see them like have all these

[01:21:34] connections without her so I don't know I can't I don't it's probably like all human interactions

[01:21:38] I don't know if there's like a hundred percent of blame and I don't really know in this dynamic

[01:21:43] of this tribe where I can eat I can even like split the blame pie um but yeah I thought I think for

[01:21:49] hunter generally I think that is Venus seems like a social miss finale in general again you know

[01:21:56] they all can answer to that but I do think for hunter even in losing his vote he's do like he found

[01:22:02] the bewared varnish in this episode like he's doing what needs to be done to win the type of game

[01:22:09] an archetype like that is set up to win which is full till you know and like just commit to doing

[01:22:15] everything and finding everything it have outs and be aware enough and then just keep keep

[01:22:20] going like that because if he hasn't been to tribal council because he's a challenge asset great

[01:22:24] that's already part one done yeah as in an idol if you can get through if you can help them also win

[01:22:28] mergatory done now we're at a split tribal council like soon enough you're at the final eight you

[01:22:34] have an idol and you win three challenges like I do think that there's yeah and then this file

[01:22:38] yeah hunter can make I can tell you that for a fact so there's like this is the type of game this

[01:22:43] is the reason I draw a play like doesn't have and I did for 41 because that's why I saw him

[01:22:46] like it's a very short game so someone like hunter full till you know I think he just way

[01:22:51] should have voted and even have at that survivor trivia game like like because I looked at this

[01:22:56] and I remember this was like Brad and season 41 I'm like so would if he like I think he's going

[01:23:00] to get his vote back like it's like whatever there's no like oh my god they're not going to get

[01:23:04] to be where advantage like people end up you know usually getting their idols but even if he didn't

[01:23:09] I looked at the terminology and the verbages you lose your vote at your next tribal council it

[01:23:14] doesn't say your next vote so it's not like okay you got your vote back but you still lost it like if

[01:23:19] he goes to tribal council and he doesn't have his vote I feel like those two things are playing

[01:23:23] out simultaneously like losing a vote that he wouldn't have from beware so like go all in

[01:23:28] don't need to go all in any hats and I think that like even in the wins and losses it's exactly

[01:23:32] the type of playstyle he needs to have and I definitely think that there's a world in which

[01:23:36] he he's winning verga Tory for his tribe like he's so strong right so like he's probably immune then

[01:23:44] like it's now are the final 12 like let's keep in moving like he's so close to the end

[01:23:48] he's definitely got he's got a lot of skills for the game um I think it's very he's not too

[01:23:54] yes I don't blame him I mean some of his basement like he couldn't be a bigger fan than him

[01:24:02] um I'm assuming that was his basement with all the puzzles you imagine if they it would be like

[01:24:07] when they do it on the bachelor and they take them to like family visits but then they

[01:24:10] get up my mom's always like what a beautiful home I'm like mom they rent out the home

[01:24:13] and like the and they imagine if it was someone else's basement we rented out the

[01:24:18] bathroom yeah yeah just a show yeah it's true because you really don't like if it was

[01:24:24] match the basement with the person you wouldn't have guessed it was hunter just from looking at him

[01:24:28] he doesn't look like a basement puzzle guy yeah I mean match the basement with the person sounds

[01:24:35] like a really good game yeah and um well that's the whole thing is a hunter has been like hiding

[01:24:43] a lot of his parts from himself I think really well yeah but then he was like I'm a big fan

[01:24:47] which I kind of think when against people like he's just here for the experience yeah

[01:24:50] and then he also lost the challenge so people are like yeah he doesn't know he doesn't know the seasons

[01:24:54] he just is a challenge being but not a workout yeah yeah I mean I thought he was doing really well

[01:24:59] with hiding that side of himself and everyone saying you know he's just this like nice country guy

[01:25:04] he's really easy to get on with it's great in the challenges he's helping us out around camp

[01:25:09] but he's not you know such a big threat I thought he was doing well with that and um outing his

[01:25:15] like big fandom look in Australia and survivor would make you a pariah um I definitely

[01:25:21] hid that I'd even watched survivor before when I played which is a hundred years ago but still

[01:25:26] would still make you a pariah these days um but I think not as much not as much we had a few fans

[01:25:34] that's true I could have been friends with like Eden um yeah we'd love to be over it oh cool

[01:25:40] call me um I think in the US survivor they make such a thing about what fans they all are but like

[01:25:49] it's just kind of par for the course so it's probably you know not not such a disadvantage just

[01:25:54] out yourself as he did yeah it's more just that he's meant to be like specifically like the Jonathan

[01:26:01] but again he was like yeah I'm a fan and then he had a vote to wager so it's more just like yeah

[01:26:07] like I'll do the challenge I'll do any challenge I'll give it a go I reckon I could try I don't fail

[01:26:12] yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I do like I'm trying I like his odds like he said he's um

[01:26:18] he's made for this kind of fast game with a lot of tricks that he can pull and a lot of challenge

[01:26:26] emphasis and fire yeah yeah shortarounds yeah and the first part of that is like and he

[01:26:34] would have been fine at a tribal council but like him even after a risk it yeah exactly because he

[01:26:38] won the challenges like if he can be vulnerable like three tribal councils before fire on the game

[01:26:44] I feel really really good about my winner pick um I was here winner yeah not just on your not just on

[01:26:48] your draft team yeah he was I had the first draft pick and I took him he was my winner pick yeah um

[01:26:54] yeah because I thought this guy has a lot of skills for the game like again it might be too much

[01:26:59] that threat level is very clear but if it ever can like play out and I know that we've seen

[01:27:04] at every stage like those big threats have been taken out although D I feel like she

[01:27:11] she was kind of probably the biggest version of that um but a lot of those times it's like

[01:27:17] Jesse couldn't make fire like Hunter's not gonna lose for that you know and then like he's

[01:27:22] gonna have an idol and he's gonna win the challenges to save himself like he could win out yeah

[01:27:27] Jesse I think it sounds really boring but like I don't want to manifest it

[01:27:33] we'll see yeah okay yeah well let's get to the choo v take it away Jacob say go i've seen an mc color

[01:27:50] all right the choo v do you want to give your points first

[01:27:53] look I just said i've done this so many times I consistently failed to think about this until we

[01:28:01] start talking but I'm gonna go I know my three points coming my three points yes Charlie yeah

[01:28:09] clearly I think he um I really like his relationship with Maria I like that he's really committed

[01:28:15] to it that he's not just paying lip service to it I like that um he his social game is amazing

[01:28:22] um but he's still sort of thinking about the dynamics and how things move and how he's playing that

[01:28:29] and I yeah I think he really won out without having to be combative with his alliance so

[01:28:38] yeah my three points definitely for Charlie um my two points do you want to

[01:28:44] do you want to be a daughter I don't know no that's great three two one it's in the song

[01:28:50] i had two points i'm gonna give two um then for being so what did Maria say the most charming

[01:29:03] and lovable person that she's ever met because you should get the most where is it where is

[01:29:07] it in my notes where is it every time i'm gonna find it again because it was just an insane way

[01:29:12] to talk about a human yeah I feel like if someone says that about you almost entertaining like

[01:29:18] born enjoyable guy i've ever met in my life if someone says that about you should just get points

[01:29:22] automatically you should put it in your Twitter bio that's crazy what an endorsement from another

[01:29:27] human being who's been eleven days with you i think one day he will have that on his grave stone

[01:29:32] and be very happy about it um but at my one point i'm gonna give to Tiffany also for being

[01:29:40] the person that everyone just wants to throw their love at and um i think that in a very unlucky

[01:29:48] very vulnerable tribe with a bunch of wild cards she has never been in danger so one point for Tiffany

[01:29:55] great well i'm in a very very similar space to you um three to Charlie uh you know his relationship

[01:30:01] with Maria clearly plays out in a way that works for him he's in control it meets so much sense for

[01:30:06] him i love him referring to Ben as an asset three points hundred percent that's his agency and i

[01:30:11] think speaks to the quality of his relationships across the board largely with Maria and no question marks

[01:30:17] around what he's done too i will also give to Ben i just feel like this social gaming is exactly how

[01:30:22] you play the pre-mode like if you want to come on and like this is like it's the blueprint 100%

[01:30:27] of how you come on and he doesn't leave the pre-mode with idols he doesn't even necessarily like in

[01:30:34] this middle position but to just be and to have been the person to make figure this tribe that

[01:30:41] honestly he's probably won them a lot of challenges like that cohesion and the fun and the trust

[01:30:45] that they have in each other like see your success i think is a big credit to him and i think that

[01:30:51] individually there's a lot there and i could see him winning you know if this is a group that can

[01:30:56] carry him forward like at a point they should really think about it not now like at a final six

[01:31:00] like over level like 100% they should think about it but if he can get away from them and that

[01:31:04] takes him far and he can get a couple of rounds out like he's someone who would clearly win at a

[01:31:08] final travel council that's how he's been spoken about i'll give my one point to Q um you know i

[01:31:13] thought that the quitting Raymond ploy was fine if that's what he's thinking through you know

[01:31:18] shots in the dark as we talk about with Mariah and gem that level like extreme cautiousness to

[01:31:23] like not give anyone anything that with that's the extremes of that that's how Yanu have been they

[01:31:27] hadn't even got to avoid the minute but um yeah so i thought that was fine but i also thought you

[01:31:31] know the fact that he suggested the meat shield ploy and that hunter really liked it he gained some

[01:31:36] ground there and i think that that is important but i mean like i've given Tiffany a lot of points

[01:31:39] for what you said and i think that that's a big credit to her as well i'll give an honorable

[01:31:43] mention to Tim as well you know he came out on top with that alliance and he also was part of

[01:31:47] like the you know the meat shield stuff so he he got stuff this episode and that means the

[01:31:51] charts Charlie has now got six points when he's actually jumped up to the top so he's on 11 points

[01:31:57] Tiffany's on 10, Hughes on 9 and now Ben is on 9 and the rea's on 6 hunt is on 5 Kenzie 4

[01:32:05] random left on 3, Tevin left on 1, not left oh my gosh Tevin's on 1, Liz is on 1 and Mariah is

[01:32:12] on 1 and those are the charts and i'm not gonna be here for the next three weeks because i'm going

[01:32:16] away what's gonna happen with the Chisie something for the next two weeks i think we might do like

[01:32:22] YouTube shorts and i might just find like a survivor player like Mariah and's wedding

[01:32:26] and we my or at Niagara Falls and we might just you know i don't know if the sound quality would be

[01:32:31] amazing in Niagara Falls but i didn't think it would be funny we might give some Chisie points and

[01:32:34] then the next week in New York i'll just find someone and on you straighter you were survivor play

[01:32:39] the famous people on the straight that's great yeah yeah you know i'm just fine yeah i'm sure

[01:32:44] there's a survivor player hanging all around every time i go to New York i'm like maybe i'll meet

[01:32:48] Lynn my mom Miranda and then Ben said that so well and then he's just like why i'm like because

[01:32:53] i'll be in New York i just think like you just run people in New York i think it's useful like

[01:32:57] on tiktok you see people all the time who are like running into the you know humans of New York

[01:33:04] guy what you know but i know there are like millions of people there but anyway i actually will see

[01:33:08] survivor players and we will do a YouTube short and then maybe the last two weeks i'll do on the

[01:33:12] podcast but they will be Chisie points every week because of the integrity of the truth of course

[01:33:17] yeah so but this was this was actually legitimate which is great so those are the charts we had

[01:33:23] questions Logan Lee j'en wants to know some Hogwarts sorting now we're gonna do 13 people i don't want

[01:33:28] to but throw around some clear names and houses maybe let's look at let's look at some let's

[01:33:33] look at Charlie and and Maria maybe oh i was gonna say the most obvious is Ben how far have

[01:33:41] a pot fit he's like 100% strong half a pot for it super power half a puff yeah yeah

[01:33:46] are you Charlie Ravenclaw yeah 100% Maria too i would have said

[01:33:50] hmm very so Reblon that's how they came to this to Reblow decision driven doors would have duped it out

[01:33:55] yeah if Maria is a driven door then maybe she is just like pushing through with what she wants but

[01:34:01] she smartly went with her alliance gave him what they want and you know that may pay out

[01:34:06] in the future so i agree yeah she's using using definite Ravenclaw skills there and

[01:34:12] I think it's a more interesting and dynamic game for it rather than just like i beat you around

[01:34:17] the head with my stupid extra vote which is made of paper i'm gonna do nothing exactly

[01:34:21] in the meeting room yeah that's what yeah 100% paper rock beats paper note that's not right

[01:34:27] it doesn't even do that scissors though she sliced through the vote rather than using the

[01:34:31] decision cut that's right yeah it was exactly exactly who else yanu uh he was Gryffindor

[01:34:41] he was Gryffindor it's probably my problem he founded yeah it's my problem with him yeah I do

[01:34:48] I like him and i you know i like Ron Waisley too um but he's that's the one you do is yeah I know

[01:34:56] because he's the one i oh him i any i like the best but she's not a classic Gryffindor is she

[01:35:03] what about i mean who else is like Tiffany and Kenzie

[01:35:10] I think Tiffany is still Gryffindor actually i could see it yeah some people was saying

[01:35:16] slither and with the fake idol with Jess probably but maybe more in the game like someone like

[01:35:22] Kenzie like has been slithering a little bit but it's like a half above

[01:35:27] hmm half old half old or Kenzie's half a puff i reckon she's a half a puff that's been put

[01:35:33] in a very difficult situation and is very hungry and for like half a second lost her cool with um

[01:35:42] bano who was and that and bano was the most half a puff that's ever puffed as well

[01:35:48] yeah so that was like a lag here in between half a puffs which she was like i just need a moment and he

[01:35:53] was like uh she was like i'm sorry exactly yeah it was all half a puffs yeah she had her one

[01:36:00] sentence like can i just have a minute and she was like i'm so sorry and he was like i feel this

[01:36:03] so send a deeply by now yeah literally yeah literally i know she's a half a puff yeah um

[01:36:10] who is like what about what about James james the slithering yeah she was laughing while the

[01:36:15] out that way what the yeah she was on like a seeker like the nicest most like

[01:36:20] cohesive tribe like i feel like that was like a Ravenclaw half a hop tribe and she was just like he

[01:36:24] he was like the slithering and that's why she didn't vibe with them it wasn't her and

[01:36:28] wasn't her people on that exact literally explained by she went home and i'd like to

[01:36:31] say yes your daughter had questions about it you can explain why who's not interesting like so does

[01:36:36] a half a puff tevans a half a puff there's a lot of puffs hunter griffin griffin door oh griffin

[01:36:44] he might be a secret Ravenclaw he's a griffin door with some stroller and buff stuff some slither and

[01:36:50] merch slithering basement yeah i reckon what no Ravenclaw no i noticed that they're in anywhere on this

[01:36:57] as a man who was meant to go to med school and then was like i actually just like become like

[01:37:02] actually like at risk used yeah so i forgot about that i think this conversation with

[01:37:07] Venus really put me off i felt like it was really like he was just he was really tired

[01:37:14] as he said yeah that look i just felt like he um you know what it is she's so on the outs

[01:37:21] she has no one on this tribe and i really feel for her in that situation

[01:37:25] and i thought hunter would feel for her too and in this context where she's like following him

[01:37:30] around trying to start a conversation with him and he's just like oh go away

[01:37:35] like yes like he also like he wasn't trying to start a conversation as much as she was like

[01:37:40] she was trying to annoy him she was trying to put him off looking you think i think she was actually

[01:37:45] trying to engage with him i feel like she was trying to be like the irritating little sister and he

[01:37:50] like got irritated yeah yeah okay i mean she did say she doesn't care if she's annoying but i don't

[01:37:57] know i just would have liked to have seen him use that opportunity to show a bit of warmth

[01:38:04] to somebody who is still in the game come merge anyone can be dangerous you know being the person

[01:38:10] that extends the olive branch to her and at least opens up some conversation

[01:38:17] is obviously a useful thing to do and i hate that he didn't do it true but if we're criticizing him

[01:38:24] for not extending an olive branch when she's in a difficult spot and you're

[01:38:29] we're putting that into house designation how much more for tevin who's like i think it could be a

[01:38:34] griffin door but but like has half a pop big half a puff tendency and it's like the whole reason

[01:38:39] the chief cut out like tevin is not as best self with Venus like i think like and i think she'd

[01:38:43] even said like the guy who gets along with everyone doesn't get along with me like he's a slither

[01:38:47] in his relationship with Venus but not with anyone else and then he's like the most sparkly

[01:38:52] griffin path that's you know ever been so it's actually much more in tevin i feel like that's

[01:38:59] been you know yeah yeah right yeah that's true i mean it probably comes down to the sort of group

[01:39:04] dynamics but maybe my expectations of someone like hunter who like you said he works with school kids

[01:39:10] and that's like a big part of who he is to see someone being pushed outside i would have

[01:39:16] expected him to pull them in whereas tevin's like an actor and he's in this like big industry where

[01:39:21] pushing people out is probably a part of the culture um but that's my own biases about different

[01:39:29] professions i guess as much as it is on them i don't think it's necessarily his profession i do

[01:39:35] think that that speaks to the person i learned about to make hunter my winner pick precedes it in

[01:39:40] that interview like that empathy yeah it seemed to be a really really big part of that and i'm not

[01:39:45] saying he's not a pathetic at all i just think that that divide with Venus is so interestingly

[01:39:49] star that it's negated clearly like massive parts of everyone's personalities because that divide is so

[01:39:55] apparent and can we just like i want to acknowledge that if we only saw the one minute where

[01:40:01] Kenzie used napte tbana we would think that yeah that you know she was not me compassionate

[01:40:07] and empathetic with him and maybe that's exactly what's happened with hunter and Venus

[01:40:10] that we we see so little of what grows on it now because i haven't met tribal thank you very much

[01:40:16] that he's jumped conclusions based on these tiny little interactions where'd you put Venus?

[01:40:21] yes like like is she a little bit of slither in yeah she feels slither and i think that seems to be

[01:40:27] the problem on nami but i'm not sure what she says she has like walls up and stuff but i don't

[01:40:34] yeah maybe that is it i mean gem went first for it not a good pass for slither in that's right

[01:40:42] yeah god no water griffin doors a lot of it's there anyone else who'd load a half full path there's no one

[01:40:46] else i'd even put into slither in yeah i don't think so i mean again like in some of these in the game

[01:40:52] this often happens when we try to put the houses for survival like yeah they're playing that way but

[01:40:58] that's not who they are yeah and it's very like slither in such a random house that it can't be

[01:41:03] really difficult i mean i don't even know who gem gem and Venus in their regular life like tough

[01:41:07] for me to say but like the version of Venus who's like seems a little on the outs like in the way

[01:41:12] she's presented i could see slither in and yes the version of gem who made them all dig and ants

[01:41:17] see it like slither in so yeah very very tough um yeah but it is hard i mean look like yeah living

[01:41:24] with each other all that time while tied and hungry very very tough and seeing one minute of like

[01:41:29] a negative interaction also hard so i think i'm excited to see them vote we can overall say it's

[01:41:34] clearly a half-a-half game at the moment right interesting because that's not how people would

[01:41:40] necessarily see this season i think that they felt that it was quite hardcore i mean i think that

[01:41:47] the intense griffin dornness of yanu came out and how intense that was yeah maybe maybe we've seen

[01:41:54] the softness of some of the half-a-puffs because like as i'm saying banu half-a-puff just half-a-puff

[01:41:58] so like maybe the softness of that against some of the griffin door was creating a bit of a disparity

[01:42:02] that and watching them go haven't liked yeah yeah because people wanted more villains i could have

[01:42:07] been saying like we want more slither ins and that's then they in but then they were upset about how

[01:42:11] this cast has has interacted with each other but i don't think it was necessarily super slitherany

[01:42:15] i just think that there's been an intensity of griffin doors and a softness of half-a-puffs

[01:42:19] that's possibly clashed at times and maybe some of the gameplay slither and styles we've said

[01:42:23] that had and that divide has been intense yeah it's just literally on yanu who are pretty much

[01:42:28] all gone yeah yeah whereas i think we left with like a lot of what has been very half-a-puff and very

[01:42:36] um seagull yeah but i'm sure i'm sure that's right and then even on nami like soder is you know

[01:42:41] they're singing their like that's true there's hunt of this sort of this tevon there you know

[01:42:47] even leaves seems pretty shipper like the rest of the game's real puff yeah well ember of chocolate

[01:42:55] also wanted to get some of your titans v rebel thoughts and some major houses there maybe we can

[01:42:59] talk about some of some of it within the houses because i need you to convince me did i just watch

[01:43:04] a very griffin door based season yeah i mean because then it could have been so good griffin door

[01:43:12] yeah definitely griffin door um even ferris that's what i was thinking yeah um

[01:43:19] caroline is not she's more ravenful yeah yeah and mark ravenful mark is ravenful um

[01:43:27] where are we going from there oh that was a big four um

[01:43:32] Alex might have been griffin door yeah i think he had a

[01:43:38] ring on random i'd been half a puff kidney actually was half a puff probably

[01:43:42] kidney they could just saw some griffin doors eat up some half a puffs and raven clothes

[01:43:46] and griffin doors and ravenful they were fun griffin doors they were fun griffin doors which is

[01:43:50] definitely a thing um and like you know some of what Kirby did even though she feels she feels very

[01:43:57] griffin door to me you know she's got this big athletic background she's really like bringing her

[01:44:02] people in and and she was actually quite she was actually quite sneaky very griffin door

[01:44:10] and reveled in sneakiness which is not a classic griffin door trade no she's i feel like she was so

[01:44:17] blunt she's so big game super brave like i feel like she's very brave yeah great and she didn't mind

[01:44:25] taking big swings did she yeah yeah and like and Sarah i think you're row yeah rowically griffin

[01:44:32] will yeah for sure coming out we usually like usually like that's not the type of griffin doors

[01:44:38] we usually get on a straight and survive with those types of griffin doors we use the

[01:44:41] mace of kind but these were the kind like they were fun griffin doors fun griffin door again now

[01:44:46] it's starting to lose all meaning um i don't know i've it's been it's been too many weeks obviously

[01:44:57] since i finished it it's been two weeks it's been it's been oh wait it hasn't been three weeks

[01:45:03] how many weeks has it been no it's been two weeks it's been even not even two weeks

[01:45:07] i've done a lot of deep dives in not even two weeks yeah it's not even been two weeks

[01:45:12] yeah feels like ages i've done so many deep dives i recorded five deep dives and i will this

[01:45:18] is gonna be in the plugs and i interviewed David forster and i've done like i mean yeah i recorded

[01:45:23] 25 hours with the nine days if you think about it this more than a night of my time that i'm on my

[01:45:28] so it doesn't feel like it's been less than two weeks but it has been two weeks tomorrow yeah

[01:45:33] it's a hype uh i just like the areas probably like a slytherin oh velaria is definitely a slytherin

[01:45:38] but again fun slytherin i had fun with her maybe it's more just about whether people are fun

[01:45:44] maybe that's the but yeah i mean give the people your macro thoughts what my it like related to

[01:45:50] what we're talking about in terms of the houses i think what we have hated in the griffin door heavy

[01:45:56] seasons in the past is when there is self-righteousness in the griffin doors and i didn't think

[01:46:02] that any of this none of it stunk of that you know deserved self-righteousness stuff and i felt like

[01:46:11] they were on the whole really happy to play the game and play it hard that still treated each other

[01:46:17] like human beings and i i mean Kirby has to be one of my favorite tv personalities that i've seen

[01:46:25] in like in a long time i struggled to think of a survivor player i was more invested in

[01:46:32] um and i don't even know why i think it's like she felt like such a real person maybe that's why

[01:46:38] it's hard to put in a survivor house for me i'm not she's not 100% griffin door because she's

[01:46:42] such a real person but you know still played really interesting survivor i thought that was really fun

[01:46:50] i loved and i'm excited to listen to your podcast with that apay because i really liked

[01:46:57] pretty much all of the production choices i felt like they let the players play they you know

[01:47:03] it really like you know chefs talk about the star of their dish or whatever the cast was the

[01:47:09] star of the dish like the relationships were allowed to shine they were given the time to grow

[01:47:16] and become interesting and important to them so that you know when we had these losses or

[01:47:23] you know when the pairs were losing their partner along the way you felt it every time

[01:47:31] i think that's what i love so much about this season it was the investing in the people and

[01:47:36] letting the cast shine yes it was an amazing cast um if you i mean you love Kirby there's a

[01:47:43] Kirby deep dive dropping tomorrow yes so i'll i'll play that yeah it was it was a lot of fun did

[01:47:50] you like that was so tantwist which one was that with when they lost the votes they all lost the

[01:47:55] votes of course not i'll pour pour what's his name pour Charles Charles yeah shame that we have to

[01:48:02] say what's his name not he was so robbed yeah yeah that sucks uh no i felt for him but i also

[01:48:10] don't hate that it was early enough in a long well developed season that i can be like who

[01:48:16] what it didn't to be fair how did you like just had a baby when this was happening like how

[01:48:20] will you even keeping up i literally um my husband took a photo because i if anybody also listens

[01:48:27] to birth podcast had a great birth and um i didn't stay in the hospital i was home like with a four-hour

[01:48:33] old baby and um immediately sat down and watched survivor with my four-hour old baby so i love that

[01:48:40] whatever so it was it oh i probably got the photo somewhere if you want to look what date was it

[01:48:45] what date was it i can do it for you seventh of fib that's my baby's birthday all right so it was

[01:48:50] week two because they changed it what day of the week was it seven it's two episodes ten it could

[01:48:55] have been about episode ten no it wasn't it wasn't that was way later what what day of the week was it seven

[01:49:00] a Wednesday i was trying to survive because i was trying to uh because you watched the next episode

[01:49:06] yeah the six was a Tuesday okay you were watching late the Tuesday episode yes i must say

[01:49:13] much because i was in late watch it because you were in labor so you had to miss that episode watch it

[01:49:19] late but that was the episode when Nathan went home so that was your baby's first survivor episode

[01:49:23] yeah that would be about right yeah yeah that was where Kelly did his that was the giant yeah that

[01:49:30] was a nice nation i didn't i like i'm like you couldn't have watched on a Wednesday there was no

[01:49:33] survivors like you know i miss a miss Tuesday i was i was having a while i was having a baby

[01:49:39] yeah where i caught up that's there yeah that's very and you immediately caught up look at that

[01:49:44] yeah look at that that's a big level that was fun i was so happy it really was very nice it was

[01:49:50] like back on my ear and couch watching survivor it was a nice moment i've forgotten that it was

[01:49:56] when Nathan got voted out which was also i think a nice moment it was really nice to see those you

[01:50:00] know and that was i could be gaden episode wasn't it i really enjoyed it anyway yeah eaten another

[01:50:06] a raven claw another definitely raven your friend eaten i um you couldn't you could do the logos

[01:50:12] you were immediately watching survivor after giving birth you could do you could do it but i couldn't

[01:50:16] tell you what number season that was of Australian survivor neither could i because in Australian

[01:50:20] survivors it's it's very confusing we don't know which number season but yeah i can we add it

[01:50:24] minus two i don't refer to those by numbers yeah well what if we have an i like a few of the

[01:50:28] screens we like eight season nine that was season nine was it there you go i didn't know yeah

[01:50:32] that's how long ago you played thank you i'm sorry how old you didn't need to do that just because

[01:50:39] you need to come back yes i know you made a huge hard tooled red and no it'll be good you'll get

[01:50:45] hey yeah no you're you'll be loved you weren't it where they've been matter if i get hate guys i'm

[01:50:52] not on twitter i can't hear it you won't see it hit me i'm so way to go that's the way to do it

[01:50:56] no genuinely when i well you should go on twitter because i put out a question thread and then most

[01:51:01] of the questions were like i love her i can tell you right now let me find it but then you should

[01:51:05] go back to your show but i know that this is like the yeah this is what you want all the people

[01:51:12] don't have to but no here's a omg a rob queen seemingly you not me no question but i love test that

[01:51:18] she was my favorite on her season a legend that peopus me even remembers your season so long ago

[01:51:22] i've always wanted to test i didn't play again she's been having children

[01:51:26] like most people in a strange spot um omg tessa i got more it's okay does she know that

[01:51:34] you can leave it there and off that way i can believe that there's like 20 more of those and

[01:51:39] i feel really good about myself there are ask her to return please a quote tweet queen

[01:51:44] queen this is all i need to say of the internet you say like yeah the rest is just my question threads

[01:51:50] useless exactly yeah yeah and see no one said you were old just me yeah they probably still think

[01:51:58] i'm 29 though that's the key yeah don't let anyone say you get old that's how you do it as a woman

[01:52:05] uh cue the barbie monologue at the moment that's how it feels so hard to be a woman on survivor

[01:52:12] anyway tessa this is really fun thank you for taking time out of your incredibly busy life

[01:52:16] to super fun it really it always does make me feel so much more excited about

[01:52:21] like because we were saying before i'm not on social media so i don't get to see people talk

[01:52:24] about survivor i just talked to my mom about it good and yeah it's probably good but like it's so

[01:52:29] nice to actually dig into what's going on and it makes me so much more excited than to see what

[01:52:34] happens next yeah i'm upset because well now i'm going away for i'm not gonna cover for three weeks

[01:52:40] which is good a break will be good Disneyland will be fun but i um not complaining you're like

[01:52:45] Tiffany yeah i'm not like i am such a hot position cuz i'm gonna do that literally my life this

[01:52:50] is the worst place to be using between podcasting and going to do something like um no but then i'm

[01:52:55] like damn i'm gonna do it so much because it's gonna be motorized and they'll probably be the split

[01:52:59] tribal so it's gonna be three breads and another one damn so by the time i come back what are we

[01:53:04] gonna be at like the final eight so you're like painstakingly covered there's no vote and then

[01:53:10] another no vote i didn't know i've done three of five weeks yeah i know i really got the banu

[01:53:16] the banu period of the season but i um i love banu but um yeah by the time i come back

[01:53:23] conscious really can have that endgame inside like i'm telling you you can just be able to win out

[01:53:26] from there and we'll keep podcasting about it you're right to not bad that's it tesla yeah that's

[01:53:31] them excited about winning my draft but i can't there's nothing you can plug about where people can

[01:53:36] find you you're not on social media famously so find her in that question thread right

[01:53:41] don't throw it in the comments i mean like come at me with whatever you want to say that's not nice

[01:53:45] that's totally fine Shannon can read me the nice stuff later done there's no not nice stuff about

[01:53:50] you people really love you you could be online like you and all people could be online but yeah

[01:53:56] thanks my stuff yes your stuff go ahead no so much um you know all the deep dives at the moment

[01:54:02] what's out theras five hours of theras five hours of mark three and a half hours of caroline then as

[01:54:07] i said there'll be Kirby then there'll be i lean and then i'm gonna do Eden then i'm gonna go away

[01:54:12] and then i think Raymond will be done when i get back if he wanted some time and then

[01:54:16] the interview with david for star and that's it that's myself that's it follow me at Shannon gakes

[01:54:22] and then there's gonna be doing that pictures and marians wedding and at some point we'll deal with the

[01:54:27] chibi it's all gonna get it's all follow me for all of that so yeah but it has so much fun thank you

[01:54:33] thank you this was great i really enjoyed it always enjoy speaking to you thank you to everyone

[01:54:38] for listening thank you to our team behind the scenes and i will see you in many weeks or on the deep

[01:54:42] guys bye

[01:55:12] The adventure of a lifetime.

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