Survivor Global: Rome, Split Votes and The Fandom | S47 Ep 6 with Dino Paulo and Marian De Vos

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[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor 47 for Survivor Global. I'm your host Shannon Gust, here to discuss episode 6, aka Murgatory, aka Merge.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a award challenge to an immunity challenge back in my day. We used to just call that a regular episode, but now it's a twist on a twist and we have 360'd all the way back around to just being Survivor, which is great. And I'm very excited to talk about it with two guests.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Got a bit of a duo here who tore it up, returned to the outcasts, got to the top three. One of them won, one of them technically didn't win, but that's not important. We're all winners here, not me.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They're both winners here on this podcast and I'm very, very excited to talk about this with two huge super fans and incredible Survivor players in their own right. First up it is the winner of Survivor South Africa, Return of the Alcassi. He is a pre-merger, which I guess defines his identity and we can talk about that today. It'd be great. You know, thank you for being here.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Shannon, thank you so much for having me as always. Really, yeah, really fun to be on the pod. Always intimidating. I've always said this, I feel like an imposter coming to the across.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You was, my boss.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You are the expert. But super glad I got my partner in crowd. Yeah, Marion. I know we didn't actually have a, I was just thinking about this. We didn't have a name for our alliance, but it was probably one of the strongest alliance in ever, which is quite funny.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have to come up with that name today. We're going to have to figure out a name at some point. We'll come up with it today. Yeah, Marino. Most close enough to Mariano. Oh, wow. Oh my God.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No, my words. Marion is obsessed with Boston Rob. Dino, Marion, it's right there. Very excited. We've gotten ahead of not even introducing Marion, I will say. Third place, fan favorite, live South Africa legend in her own right is the great Marion DeVos. Marion, thank you for being here.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello. Thank you for having me. Also, if Dina has imposter syndrome today, then I don't know what I have because currently my anxiety has anxiety.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, thank you for having me. This is my first podcast in maybe two years.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is so special. Thank you so much.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys, you have imposter syndrome. How many days of Survivor have you each played? Two seasons?

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: At least for both of you? Like, please stop it. But I am very excited that I immediately came up with the perfect alliance name.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It took seconds. You guys were on the island together for weeks. Like, this is actually unacceptable because it is, I think it's perfect, right?

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, Mariano is a big redemption for me since he voted me out. It's my full name and he just gets an O, so.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. It's mostly Mariano.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Dino gets the N-O. The N connects us.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we...

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, Dino's got the I-N-O, to be honest.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's just got the O.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got all the Z-E-R-S under two million, so can I just have it?

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had a lot of O's.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I am eternally in debt to Mariano, so I will take the L's from here on out. No problem. You just... I'll take none of the letters, whatsoever. We are the Mariano alliances.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's great. That's great, too. That's great, too. This is so much fun. Dino, I was excited, yeah, when Andy said, if you are a pre-merger, that's your whole identity, what impact you made on the game.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I'm like, well, we are having two people from the pre-merge versus post-merge season, including a pre-merger turned winner.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So you know what, Andy? Things can be turned around, okay?

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: If you are a pre-merger on the show, do you know how did that resonate for you as a pre-merger turned, post-merger turned winner of the game?

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's so interesting. I always have such empathy and compassion for pre-mergers in general, in particular since season eight, obviously.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So all the new era pre-mergers.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I reach out to a lot of the contestants and just be like, you know, strength be with you because I know what it's like.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It is incredibly tough.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I just like people. I like people.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But no, it's incredibly tough.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the side of the game that's difficult, that's not shown is the post-game and how you sit with the coulda, shoulda, wouldas, right?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody sits with them at some point, you know, even if you get very close to the end, like Marion will tell you, I mean, she came as close as you possibly can.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And she'll have her own baggage, right?

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But going pre-merge, there's just so much more, particularly if you're a massive fan.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So I know for Andy, this redemption and being able to turn his game around and being that much closer to the jury would be massive.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's warranted in saying that, you know, it's a big thing.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: There is a big step.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, only a small portion of people don't make merge or don't make jury.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a smaller number than do.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So like that FOMO gets even bigger.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like an exclusive club.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an exclusive club that a lot of people are a part of, you know, the jury.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like one of the very few outsiders.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's very intimidating.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So it does resonate with me.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I'll never forget my path, you know, and appreciate it.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's actually funny.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like in Marianne's wedding speech, she said how like Connor reached out to her.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a bit of a tangent, but it's podcasting.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Connor reached out because she said, you know, what she said about Zach after he was voted out first.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, so if Zach wasn't so bad at Survivor, you know, then we would, this would not be happening.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, Zach was across from me.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, Zach, I don't think you're bad at Survivor.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I had so much empathy for him in that moment.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you're not bad at Survivor.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was just like, I don't care.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So he seemed above it.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I always am like, no, like it breaks my heart for people who don't get the full experience.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's why we need pre-merge versus post-merge seasons.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Marianne, as you said, you haven't podcasted in a while.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you guys, firstly?

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like before we kind of get into it, Marianne, yes, it's been a long time.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: How have you been?

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be in a lot of trouble because I haven't podcasted in two years.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not a lack of like all the podcasters inviting me on.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very open.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very open that I struggle with anxiety.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So like things like this are very intimidating to me, even though like I've played twice.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I've come third.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fan favorite.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I love the game.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I know the game.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I don't know.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's like a public speaking thing.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's like you're such a professional, you know, so well-spoken.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, so yeah, I'm good.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: What's my life been like?

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I recently resigned from a very toxic job.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So yay.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I've also recently broken my finger.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I feel like resigning.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I took control of my life.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: My mental health is the best it's been, I guess, in a year.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I started a new degree at my big age and it's killing me.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know, life is good.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Putting that off to be here.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate it.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Mentally, I'm good.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Emotionally, I'm good.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Dino, we heard from you more recently.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you?

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, still good.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, still loving our business.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very grateful to do what I do.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So, and that's been growing steadily and we're going into peak season now.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So lots of work, but the best kind.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Personally, you know, Kirsten and I have still been living life in Cape Town.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We really dig at you.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Recently, we were away for a couple of weddings and they were amazing, but it's always good

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to be back home here.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I mean, we're in a good space.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: We're excited.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Kirsten's also residing from her job to move to another role or job.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's very exciting for us because we can have more time to spend with each other

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and lots of skydiving as much as I can get in.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, things have been good.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, that's why I guess I'm always happy to do things like this and just hang out with

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: friends and chat about something that I really, really love, which is always Survivor.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, quit your jobs.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Very much the theme of that breakdown of your life, which is great.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking that on board.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited to have you guys.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion, thank you for skipping some lectures to be here.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate it.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the real lecture, the Survivor lecture.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: How have you been feeling about the season so far?

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you enjoying it?

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Who would like the standouts for you?

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: To be honest, I've been so busy with varsity work that I really only started watching the

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: season on Thursday.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So I binged it.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I re-watched the last episode this morning.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think my standouts currently, I love Sam.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Genevieve, I like Genevieve.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: For me, she's got a little bit of poverty and a little bit of Kim Spaulding.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And then a whole lot of Genevieve.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But I like that.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she's such, she's her authentic self.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But she's also got like a little bit of two of the best to ever do it.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, who else do I like?

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Teenie's so cute.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like myself and Teenie would drink all the wine together.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: She's really adorable.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like Sue.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I guess, oh, Kyle.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Kyle's so endearing.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like an overall good guy that you just want to root for him.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Rome.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So much to say about Rome.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So much to unpack about Rome.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He was interesting.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing about Rome is like, you could not have a reaction to Rome.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: How many millions of people watch this show?

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: There is not one you could ask and be like, how do you feel about Rome?

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, I have no opinion on that.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's important.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like when you're watching TV, love him or hate him.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that like at worst, you should like love to hate him.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like for me, I think Rob made the fair play comparison.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't hate that either.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's a heel.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think when a story kind of has, you know, he lost at the end of the day, like his actions had consequences.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone like Sol wins after Rome gets a couple of wins.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And like for me, that's like an interesting and very entertaining story.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if like he's grating on you, like again, like that's an emotion.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know how are you feeling about the season and Rome to this point?

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a great new era season.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think production's finding far better balance with some of the game mechanics.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They've refined them over time.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they're slowly but surely getting better.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying I love everything that they're doing, but I think the things that they are doing,

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: they're doing better than what they did before.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: From a casting perspective, I think their casting is just so good, man.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the casting has been amazing.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I love everybody and everybody's dynamics.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Stand up players for me as well.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like Sam has been obviously stand out, very, very vocal, great narrator.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love his and Sierra's dynamics.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been interesting to see how tight they are and trying to navigate, you know,

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: personal interests over combined interests.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Andy's been endearing in the sense that, you know, he had a catastrophic episode one,

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and I know exactly what that is like, and he's been able to work his way back into the mix and survive,

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: which is ultimately the objective of this game is to survive.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So I find that incredibly endearing to see him turning it around, which is great.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Kyle's been great from a, like Marion says, an endearing character.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Also love Genevieve, exact same reasons.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's such a great balance of players.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: She's entertaining, quirky.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: She's not like good or bad.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like a little bit of mischief, a whole lot of fun.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So she's been an absolute pleasure to watch.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm just going to keep going, rattling, rattling.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I'm out here hard, you know, in the Rachel corner, no doubt.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm super proud of my girlfriend, she's doing so far,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: especially after a really hectic blindside the previous episode.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And on the Rome comments, I think, you know, he's casting gold.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he makes it onto freaking every single casting list there is out there,

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, because he just delivers.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And well done to him and anybody who plays the game,

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: if you want to make an impact on the game.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Go out and do what Rome does.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no guarantee that you're even going to make it to the end

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: or make it to merge or whatever.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But at the very least, what he's done is he can truly say

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: he's left it all out there.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And big up to him for doing that.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So not that I would be actively supporting him to win the game.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he probably rubs me up the wrong way,

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the way he rubbed a couple of players up.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's phenomenal TV.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that entire mix has made for a great season so far.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I've really enjoyed it.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, Rome brought the entertainment.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't say that he wasn't, you know, a presence on screen to the point where,

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: though, what we see this week, I feel like has to be like near unprecedented.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is 12 people really kind of unanimously voting for Rome.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And like the thing that's interesting about it, and we could talk through it,

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like, you know, after every episode of Tri-Thing,

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: like who was this good phone?

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Who was this bad phone?

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And like for something to be so communally beneficial,

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel for 12 people will not vote, Kyle's not voting.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But he would, right?

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's also putting, really putting the name out there.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that this is beneficial for everyone.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And that, I think, speaks to Rome.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And it speaks to a couple of things.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think that like for Rome, especially for me,

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: once Genevieve went out of her way to take away,

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and we can talk about, you know, the evolving nature of her move against Kishon,

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but once she went out of her way to save Rome against a good other option

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: in staying with her other allies, because she had so many options,

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: she goes out of her way, save Rome to keep him,

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: really for him because she wanted to kind of nurture that.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in the next episode, he goes to Sol,

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: throws Genevieve under the bus,

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: tells the truth to Sol about how Genevieve doesn't want to work with Sol.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And Genevieve has to recover from that.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, all bets are off.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Once he can do that to Genevieve, no one can work with him.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So the interesting thing about this is while like someone like Sue

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: might have a bit of a Tiana problem,

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: while Goddard might have a Rachel issue,

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: while Carl is even a bit of a disconnect from someone like Sue,

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: it's still, I think, better for them to have that like containable threat.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Even someone like, yeah, Rachel is a bigger threat to me,

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: if I'm Sam as an example, than Rome in what I can kind of envision.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But Rome, who knows what he's going to do?

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and no one can trust it.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Even people he's giving real information to, like Sue,

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: can never trust that Rome will not turn on you.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He will turn clearly on anyone.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's so beneficial to me for every person in the game to just get rid of that.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And added benefit, it's a communal vote where no one has to put his name out.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he gets the ball rolling.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Carl just reacts.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone can very passively just agree without putting themselves out there.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's so easy and so right.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: To the point where I just,

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that I've ever seen anything like that.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So Marion, do you agree?

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you see anything for anyone of why it might be valuable keeping Rome as like a shield or a distraction or anything compared to the fact of,

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but also what will he do and how scary is that?

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in just like the fear of that.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I wouldn't have kept him.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just, I think he was a little too patronizing, but I also think he was doing way too much, way too fast.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I feel like if he had maybe gone to Oni Tian or Oni Sam or Oni Sue and given them the information that Kyle passed on to him,

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like give it to one person and let that person's paranoia run with it and do the work for you,

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome would probably still be here, but you don't go to three, four different people and feed them stories.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Four paranoid people's a lot to deal with.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Rome's mistake was just spreading too much information too fast.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He had to choose one target and like, you know, let that target explode and run off with it.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But also, again, you know, I've seen a lot of Rome hate, sorry, Rome hate online.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I always like stress the fact that how you play the game is not generally who you are in real life.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think Rome is patronizing and manipulative and all these things in real life.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Rome's problem or the way my opinion and how I see it,

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: he wanted to come into the game and make a huge impact.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And he had like this preconceived perception of what a great survival player should be

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and how they should act and what the confessional should be and what the fans sitting on the couch want to see.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he had like so much in his head and had Rome just maybe dial back a little bit

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and been a little bit more of his authentic self.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he could have possibly gone far in the game because he's not a bad player.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he really wasn't a bad player.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think like he just did a little too much, a little too fast.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was some distaste, you know, following Sala round was, you know,

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: there's only one Boston Rob.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He got the body system down, just like leave it, you know.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You also don't come in and go like there's a Boston Rob, surely, you know,

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I can be Boston Rob junior.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what his exact words are.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, there's only one Boston Rob.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like why try and be like a second somebody else when you can be like your first authentic self?

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what creates me about Rome.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm making sense.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Marion's like, I haven't podcast in two years, guys.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I really can't do that.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Just drops good point after good point after good point.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I've analyzed Rome as a human being.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, it was great.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, Marion, you have nothing to worry about.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that that is a really good point because going to Sue, as an example,

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: he got something done.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue has a confessional where she's like, oh, I want Carl out.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a real divide there.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He's using real information that Carl did give him.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And we can talk about that.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that you are right.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like last week, Rome gave the information Martini's amulet to Sol.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was good and true and real.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And that could have made like some constructive, like progressive strategy around maybe Sol turning

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: on Tini.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But then at the point that he throws Genevieve under the bus, again, way too far in the relationship

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: with Genevieve.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And Genevieve is not, it was true, but it wasn't verifiable.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And now it all kind of gets mixed up into like, basically you're only as strong as your weakest

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: lie.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So now all of it's off the table.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And Carl can like, off the table, that's a hard word to say on a podcast.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Why would I try?

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But Carl can cover for all of it, even though a lot of what Rome said about Carl was true.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So had he picked one path and he actually made some impact with Sue, had he chosen his

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: people to be like, he said you and Caroline were really close and all of these negative

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: things about you, that might've been a path.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, building on something like the Tiana thing, which really felt like he, as much

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: as he in exits is saying, that's what Carl said, as much as he in confessional was saying,

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Carl said it, you know, that, that she was the biggest threat.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: We see Rome very much put it out and Carl say like, that's fair.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So that didn't seem to make sense.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That didn't vibe with the relationship that Carl and Tiana have had.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he went to the wrong people.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: He should have been like, I've got a lot of good information.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me sift.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like he, he, he wasn't a good editor.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let me edit that down to what's valuable to me, choose the right relationships, move

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: forward with them.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, with Sue, it did work, but then it went so broad.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But then Kyle had the chance to be like, oh, Sue, that's not what he meant.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I can show that he has lied.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So you are so right that had he chosen a path, he could have made good on some of that, but

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: he just, he didn't know how to not do it all.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He was always doing just way too much.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, that's obvious, but on one pathway, you know, there was some good stuff

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: there that he could have just got rid of the rest to, to make good on that.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: No, so, so I agree.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Marion's point of him actually being somewhat a good player, he had, he had like

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: really good concepts and I think he just needed to slow down.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He had concepts of a plan.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Really, and, and, and really good ones.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And through a number of, a number of stages of this game, but he just, he, he tried to

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: do everything all at once to like the, the most extreme degree.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if he had slowed it down a little bit and maybe didn't get drunk on the, you

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: know, need to play hard and play big and control everything and drive everything and maybe fuel

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: the own ego.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And the story that just snowballed in his head of his perception of himself that just got

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: bigger and bigger.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He would have actually done some really great things in the game.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He just needed to learn the art of subtlety, which I think Marion Marion is an absolute pro

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: at if I do say so.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Marion is the best person to talk about this in terms of like sowing seeds of chaos in

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: a way that's not so in your face.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and the reason I say that as well is because like you see it in, you know,

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: he plants the seed about, you know, Sam being this big threat and it's true.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: People do see him as this, this big threat.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's been this overarching story that we've seen, right.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: People mentioning the power couple and, and, and, and he decides to throw his vote

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: onto Sam where you can hide in and amongst 12 other or 11 other votes and throw one

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: onto Sam to kind of feed a bit of, you know, paranoia on Sam's side.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So a bit of discord, what would you say?

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Just so seeds of doubts, you know, in people's minds and he can just decline and go

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: like, Hey, I was, I was going for soul or I was going for whatever, you know,

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and be like, everybody knows where my vote went.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So he had great concepts, but he just, he just lacked the art of subtlety.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you agree, Marion from a, as a, as a chaos sower?

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: 100% I agree.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like people, people need to learn.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lesson for anyone that, well,

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: my advice to anyone that ever wants to play survival,

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes it's more about the smarter moves than the bigger moves.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think again, I say,

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Joan came into this game with like a preconceived perception of how he wants to

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: be seen and, and like the legacy he wants to leave on the game.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's great.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But the, like you're the best game you're going to play is when you're being your

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: authentic self.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And also I think, um, I agree with Dino.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He lacked when it came to subtlety, but also he lacked self-awareness.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if 13 people,

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: if you think that 13 people are voting with you and are writing the name down

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that you are giving them,

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a red flag because that's very,

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: really happens in survival.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, it's a little easy.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too easy.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's too easy and it's too good to be true, trust me,

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it's too good to be true.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So on the flip side though,

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: ironically then it became very easy on the other way because then it became a

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: very easy.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No vote could be that easy.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And like every person is like,

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_04]: it's true.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's true.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's true.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It was happening on the other,

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was only happening with such ease on the other side because of the

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: uniqueness of exactly who Rome is,

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: which again,

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think is unprecedented.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and he thinks Saul is that person,

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was him.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that the Sam vote that he throws out was so emblematic of like

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the Rome game.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it personified everything so perfectly.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It was so chaotic and antisocial and unnecessary.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It was doing the most again,

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: based on completely the wrong read where he's gotten so many votes out there.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so unanimous for him that his vote doesn't matter when all the votes

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty much technically are coming onto him.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that just perfectly summed it up.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is from someone who had a secret scene where he's like,

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to chill at the merge and go with the flow and be shown as a

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: laid back guy.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that that lack of self-awareness to me is the issue.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's very hard to play survivor with,

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: without the basis of game and self-awareness that I think that Rome really

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: lacked,

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: going into exit interviews that I find,

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: like you need to have like a dollop of salt because they're in contrast to

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: everything we've seen there in contrast,

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: everything like,

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: with like Kishan's exit interview where he's like,

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: we were four good to go.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like Kishan's like,

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: we were always taking out Rome,

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: even now his sense of reality seems very divorced from the kind of snippets that

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: we're getting from kind of all,

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: the episode and the other exits and stuff.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that is really hard.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I do think with someone like Rome,

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the way he approached the game and whether that's who he is or how we

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: wanted to play in this way where,

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: there is like looming survivor 50 people do want to make an impact.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He does seem like he wants to bring the entertainment and as a TV

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: character,

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: we should not,

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: we shouldn't criticize that.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think like what's actually impressive was that this didn't happen at

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the first tribal council.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And to his credit,

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: he did some good things that made him not the immediate target.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He found the idol.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He had it,

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: strictly for the first tribe when he showed that and he had it as like a

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: really relevant,

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: secure shield.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He had Genevieve for long enough that it feels like Genevieve now,

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and we can talk about it.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe wrongly went out on a lot,

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe,

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: wrongly went on a limb to save him.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was building off,

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think of pretty low basis point that Rome came in on.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But by the time he got here,

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: everything came home to roost.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have one person of 12 to tip him off to use a shot on the dark,

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: not one leak,

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: not one person willing to stand up for him.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Even like remotely,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: not even someone who I think is inconfessional.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to put myself out there,

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but if I could,

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: every single social decision he had made came back to this point.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So,

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think that,

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: he'd done some good stuff to kind of avoid that tool now,

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: but also I think we kind of saw all of that,

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: avalanche come down on him in this episode.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Any more in Rome?

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we have more in Rome?

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No,

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: so it comes down to,

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: you're going to love this one.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It comes down to talk less,

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: smile more,

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: don't let them know what you're against,

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: what you're for,

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very much that if he,

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: if he just took a moment to,

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: to,

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: if he just took a moment to chill and actually observe,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: instead of just trying to drive his own,

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: his own agenda,

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: he would have gotten so much more information that he could then make

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: educated and informed decisions on.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Instead,

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: he was so hell bent on driving his agenda that he missed any sort of

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: social cues,

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: missed the pockets of information that he could have had.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll go into like,

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: there's been the soul versus Rome thing,

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: this,

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: this entire game.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: just completely like it's almost rabbit in the hair esque,

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: with,

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: with soul versus Rome where soul is kind of taking this slow,

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: slow game,

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: like so easy,

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: taking till yeah.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Happy days,

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: finding the information,

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_00]: having very casual,

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: subtle conversations.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He's this really genuine.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He comes across as super authentic,

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: which I think he,

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: he genuinely is.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: He's patient.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: He's,

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: he,

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: he just takes the time to listen.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he responds and people trust that.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And then in exchange,

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: he gets information,

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: like for example,

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: his,

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I made a note show where,

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: where,

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the whole Tiana,

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle has thrown your name out as,

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: as a major threat.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And soul says,

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey,

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle's not going to admit that to you.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me go have a chat with him.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of things that that's great about that is yes,

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: it's true.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Tiana is not going to get anything out of it or value.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll give himself an opportunity to go build a relationship with somebody.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He's seen as doing something with,

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: with Tiana.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He gets an opportunity to go like,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: this is what's out there,

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: all that relationship.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time,

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: soul's got his own bias about Rome.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So he can taint Rome.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: If he needed to,

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: which I don't think he needed to,

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: he could,

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_00]: he could drive the story on both sides to Tiana and,

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and,

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and Kyle very subtly,

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_00]: if he needed to direct it,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: which,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: which like I say,

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Rome did that on his own.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But also in that moment,

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle gets heated up and instantly gives him valuable information in the game.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: do you know?

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a vote.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But now soul has one bit of information more than he had before.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's very,

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it's amazing.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I say like the,

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: the games are so opposite.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you just take a moment to like,

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: understand like,

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: what are people's needs?

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: What do they need?

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And you start going like,

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: what does that player need?

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me be that for them.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me help them achieve that because then I'm a value to them.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and yeah,

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get something out of it as well.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You know,

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: wait,

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome is Hamilton.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Soul is Burr.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you play like you're running out of time,

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but soul is willing to wait for it.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I cannot unsee it.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I will go through the whole music.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so perfect.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's killing me.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just so perfect.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I am obsessed with it.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And as a Burr fan,

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm rooting for soul.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is excellent.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Mary,

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: what do you think about how,

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: how soul was kind of doing here?

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He got the win.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you feeling about soul slash Burr?

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly,

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: this episode,

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think soul was my favorite.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: his conversation that he had with,

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Tiana and Andy at some point,

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Tiana goes like,

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: he's throwing,

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle's throwing my name out there.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and soul's literally just like cleaning his seat.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like,

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: yo,

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: don't believe anything that Rome says.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause this is how he plays the game.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the,

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the subtlety,

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like the art of subtlety that it was so effortless,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: he was cleaning his teeth,

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: but just him saying that at the right moment,

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like now he's got a bond with like Tiana and Andy.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And now Tiana and Andy are going to spread the fact that like,

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: yo,

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: don't trust Rome.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: This is how he plays the game.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So like all the love to soul for this episode.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I,

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt so bad for him.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I literally just like wanted to jump through the screen in the episode

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_01]: when Rome was following him.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause it was so,

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it was so like cringe to see and like had Rome done that to me,

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd have probably punched him.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but I felt so sorry for him.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause like there's one thing having a Boston Rob system.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's another thing.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: If like,

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't even get like two seconds to yourself.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think people love that Boston Rob was doing it either.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion,

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to tell you that,

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but I know,

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Marion loved it.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you might have Boston Rob goggles where you're like,

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: people loved it when he did it.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anyone really liked it.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It won,

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but it won by fear and kind of like oppression rather than by like,

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: it was a dictatorship.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just work.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Marion,

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that people were like,

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm,

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very unbiased except when it comes to Robin,

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: people know.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Boston Rob,

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: just not any Rob.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Boston Rob.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that other.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah,

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I like guys.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a podcast about how much Marion loves Boston Rob.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It really has been a major name.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to mention his name again.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like,

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: just man props to Saul because you know,

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: things like that,

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like it doesn't take much on Survivor to just like devastate you and deplete you.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes you really just need that time out alone on the beach for like two minutes to like get yourself together.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But like,

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome wasn't even affording him that.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So my heart really melted for him in the previous episode,

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think he did so well in this episode.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like,

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm loving his subtlety.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm loving the fact that he's creating all this bond so effortlessly.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: whether people see him as a number or whatever,

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Saul's gonna leave us anytime soon.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope not.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So to add to that,

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like we talk about feeling depleted.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So in the ordinary course,

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it's tough to,

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to bite your lip sometimes,

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and I really appreciate when a player who already,

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: we know people are deprived at a rapid rate.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're really tired.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You're really hungry.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be the worst version of yourself in this game yet.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Saul can still like keep his pride in his pocket,

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: not react,

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: keep his cool.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got this objective in mind.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He says,

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: what is the goal here?

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The goal isn't to beat Rome here and now.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And let me just,

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: just lay down the rule and let this youngster talk to me like this and put him in his place.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Or,

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and which in the ordinary course,

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: he'd probably,

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: have,

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: have taken a different,

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: different approach,

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but he's like,

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a game.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the impact.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: He maps everything out.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's not reactive.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't seem to be reactive at all.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He's,

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: he's quite cool,

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: calm,

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and,

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and thoughtful,

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: with his approach.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's really not an easy environment to be those things in.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So it speaks a lot to his,

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: his character.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's a great,

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: great skill and a very valuable skill in this game that I hope takes him far.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: What I do worry about is sometimes that can be seen as quite passive.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And that might be a hard thing to articulate at the end of the game.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean,

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: shit,

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: that's only a problem if you get to the end of the game and you need to just get there to the end to be able to pitch your case.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's giving himself the best opportunity to go deeper,

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and you can cross that bridge when you get there.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to say something,

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Marion,

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_00]: you,

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you feel like all anxious to come on the podcast.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_00]: At least you didn't say a rabbit versus the head instead of tortoise versus there.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm ready.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's such a good point.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They're both fast.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like an interesting,

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: that's just a race.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The rabbit versus the hair.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I said it was everyone.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Raindtrippers are a big part of life and podcasting,

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but look,

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I,

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I,

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: you know what I really liked about Saul in this episode?

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Other than like,

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: yes,

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: he pushed it on Rome.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He got the win.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome makes himself an easy target,

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: but like Saul in his subtle way,

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: fully buried him.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was great.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But even more than that,

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Saul was Rome's target and so well insulated to the point where like at the feast,

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: before they know who Rome is throwing out now that Carl,

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: he's not a possible name.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: At that point,

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe Sue's worried about Gabe.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Tiana throw out Gabe.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Sam's been a target.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want it to be yourself.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like at that point,

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe you throw out Andy and maybe that,

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and maybe that name does just take hold,

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but here's what impressed me.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: There were two votes on Andy.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Why does anyone care enough to even create this divide?

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Just let Rome vote for Saul.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No one could possibly be mad,

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: right?

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Or even then just let Saul vote for Andy.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Then let him be the split.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Let him protect himself.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But they put two votes on to,

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: onto Andy.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue puts a vote onto Andy.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how to really blame Sue for that.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We see Sue put the name out of,

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: of Andy.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: We see Sue vote for Andy.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's possible.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone else put out the name.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's possible that the group just said,

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey,

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: you're the other Andy vote.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But Sue's the one who does that.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just think that that shows a real insulation for Saul.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And,

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and Sam even goes to Saul and is like,

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I would want to keep you.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They're really trying to protect him.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe there's a sense of like,

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome is chaotic.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't even end up voting for Saul.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So like,

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: who knows what he'll do,

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: but like the high,

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: high odds are Rome is going to get blindsided.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that they care enough to like really follow through with a

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: two vote split for me is quite extreme.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to talk through whether they should have even done that,

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think it speaks to how much people care to,

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it seems other than the chaos of Rome,

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: possibly insulate Saul,

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: who was someone they just met and they shouldn't really care that much

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: about if it bounces back onto Saul,

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: which is incredibly unlikely in and of itself.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It speaks volumes.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: This,

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: this doesn't say like,

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: it's one thing that's goes,

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a main target.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You should be fine to,

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: this is our main target,

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: but we want to work with you.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You are important to our game.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So we need you here.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like generally collateral damage.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_00]: well it's collateral damage.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Well,

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: geez,

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: too bad.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know,

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: if you go,

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you go.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is saying like,

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we actually can't afford for that because you fit somewhere in our plans.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We like you.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It might not even be that you fit in plans.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_00]: They just like you.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_00]: See you as more valuable and they're like,

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: let's put somebody else off,

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_00]: especially when it's like,

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: like you say,

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Saul could have just taken the one and the one and there would be a split.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And then a potential re-vote.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Or if he's played a shot in the dark and Saul's voters enough,

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: like Saul's one vote is probably fine.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably fine.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah,

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like,

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So they go out of their way to,

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: to,

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: to actually protect him.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And we see there is going to be blowback for that in the preview to next episode.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the risk they were willing to kind of take,

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: you know?

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great showing of the social game so far.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting to me because yeah,

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: if Saul just votes for Andy,

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: then,

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Saul obviously is going to try to protect himself.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then that becomes a very individual thing.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like the Andy,

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: you could have done that too.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: you could be scared that he's voting for you or that,

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Saul might throw a name out.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can always vote,

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: throw out and everyone can do a one vote individual split.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And if that's what Saul wants to speak to,

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: then it would be like hard for Andy to be mad at the group.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And it would be very much between like Saul and Andy,

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like individual,

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: just like,

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: self-preservation.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But to go out of their way to put two votes,

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: when firstly,

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it would mean that Rome has to wise up to the 12 person blindside that is

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: currently happening where he thinks he's controlling the vote.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably fine.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Then he has to have something.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they know that he played something and is someone who can find something,

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: but he has less time to find it because he's already played something.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Or he has to play his shot in the dark and hit it.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: at that point,

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: anyway,

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: there would be zero votes.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe he has to have an ally.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly everyone's against him.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: One ally who's voting with him.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It was so likely that Rome was going home and they still cared to put two

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: votes.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: is it the chaos of thinking Rome has an extra vote?

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it trying to be too conservative with the fear of all of these new era

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: things?

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But again,

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: for like soul,

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: probably also getting the backlash of that.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they went out so far on a limb for Andy,

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: again,

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it speaks to,

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it speaks to soul's relationship and possibly just some like fear

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and being like ultra conservative around it.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that I back it for the group.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I would have just been like,

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: soul,

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: that's your one name.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that that good for soul.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of,

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I like for someone like Sue who we saw throw it out.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I see that as a negative.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So,

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: seeing as we're still,

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about this vote,

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: going into a vote like this,

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_00]: the stage of the game,

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think most people want to be low key.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to draw lines too early.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You've just met your other tribe mates.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You ascertaining,

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: like you,

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: you know where you're,

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: or you think,

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you know where your position in your original tribe is.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you want to kind of figure out where you slot into the other tribes.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: You're trying to figure out where people slot in with each other.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So you don't want to have to draw a line and piss the wrong person off.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So Rome's done the majority a massive favor.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So this idea that we had earlier,

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_00]: we were talking about like,

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: do you keep Rome on longer?

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you get rid of him now?

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He's done them massive favor,

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: by giving them like a very obvious target.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the only,

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the only blowback being this,

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: this Andy,

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: these two votes Andy,

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think if it's one vote Andy,

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_00]: very different,

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_00]: very,

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: very different kind of blowback,

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because you could put that onto the Rome or you could put it onto,

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: whoever,

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but,

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: the,

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the,

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: the question I have here is that,

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: we've now gotten to this,

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: 12 or 13 person,

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_00]: vote.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And in previous seasons,

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: we've had the split where 13 people vote,

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_00]: but for only six.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So do we prefer this as a mechanic,

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: to what it was in prior season?

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Do we,

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: do we prefer this change where,

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you've got the one individual meaning necklace and everybody else is fair game.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just thinking like,

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk that through it.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'm just thinking like,

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the way that this blows back for soul,

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: having one vote on him is like Rome has an idol and wise is up and has an

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: extra vote.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And now soul has gone home.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: so soul would be robbed or has one ally,

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: which is even less likely,

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I think like,

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's how much they care to put on it.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe just wasn't an optimal split.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And in that case,

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: like I should criticize it.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like when splits are not optimal,

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah,

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Mary,

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: what did you think about,

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: we,

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and I want to talk more about this because I think it's fascinating the whole

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_02]: way this went,

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: what about this new twist?

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm going to blow your mind.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we're 24 years into survivor.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to have to keep it very,

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: very innovative,

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: original.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The twist was they're going to do a challenge as groups.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then one group will win food and then they'll compete individually.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then one person will earn the merge of having immunity.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's bold.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's new.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not just a reward and immunity challenge because that would just be where we

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: started 24 years ago,

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: which I like.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: so yes,

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: it was different,

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was also the same.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So how do you feel about the fact that they went back to their roots,

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Mary?

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And with this twist playing two challenges for reward and immunity.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So if anyone knows me,

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: they know that like,

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I am old school to the bone,

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to my core.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry,

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but like earning the merge,

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: like I still can't wrap my head around it.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I've grafted for like half the game.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I've did things to keep myself in the game.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I should just be given the merge.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I earned it,

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So honestly,

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't,

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the,

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and the merge thing.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: people might come for me for saying this,

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think much.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: No one liked that.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: No one's been into it.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like Jeff,

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: stop.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it to be honest.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I liked the fact that only one person was safe.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So it opens up,

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Having a voice.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean,

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: if we could go back to,

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: two old school days and,

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and just,

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever day it is,

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: whether it's day 11 or day 20 and we're merging,

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: we've merged.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like imagine we merged,

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_01]: after like doing everything that we've done,

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: like we were through the trenches and Nico comes and says,

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you need to earn the merge.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But isn't just winning a beauty and then making it to the vote,

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: earning the merge.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like isn't every round you,

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: you don't get voted out,

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: earning the next round.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a glorified,

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a glorified,

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_00]: merge pre-jura.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the only difference is you just don't get a buff,

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: which is pretty shit.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got this.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys have merged.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You're all together.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You're all together for a vote.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Some would say,

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: like you've merged for a vote.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like,

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd prefer,

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd still prefer that you go from three tribes to two tribes.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got a pre,

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: pre,

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: pre-merge swap.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And no,

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_00]: no in the merge.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's one day they'll do it,

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: but they'll call it something else.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's completely different that we can't even conceive it.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be a whole new twist.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But then I can't believe it's not butter.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it's interesting because Jeff apparently on the on fire podcast was saying

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: how he thinks with these big votes,

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: they tend to be conservative.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And it seems like that's why he's been doing murgatory and keeping the

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: tribes half immune all this time.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And now with these big votes,

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: it was conservative,

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think firstly,

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome,

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like that's a whole different kettle of fish.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like everything Rome was doing.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of that speaks to who Rome is.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that if there are two kind of factors of why this otherwise

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: might have been conservative in approach,

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I,

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and people don't want to like ruffle feathers.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think firstly,

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: they were expecting murgatory.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So the point where Rome's name even goes out there and all of this is

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: happening,

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: or even when they're thinking about it at the individual tribes,

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: they're thinking who's on the bottom that we can really cut if we need to.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They already have those names in mind,

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: expecting half the people to be immune and expecting like,

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: people to be pushed under the bus when options are limited in murgatory.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the bigger thing is,

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: especially because in old U S survivors,

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Steven spoke about this and an Australian survivor still to this day,

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: an international survivor,

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: when there are big tribes,

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not necessarily boring.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: we had an interesting 13,

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: very interesting 13 person vote this year in Titans v.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Rebels.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like sometimes it's a little big consensus.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of people.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's big structured tribes,

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think that going from a small tribe,

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: a very,

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: very small tribe,

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: when the maximum you've voted for is six at most,

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and probably they've lost votes and already small and tricky to this many

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: votes probably is overwhelming.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And that probably does,

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: if you,

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: especially if you've only been to one or two tribal councils max,

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: at that point,

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe you do want to just kind of like learn the game a little bit and

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: like learn this.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot to corral.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if you've come from a 12 person in Australian survivor or 10 person

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_02]: pre-merge tribe,

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: like by the time you got to the merge,

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: you're like,

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm used to these numbers.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me like put numbers together.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Heroes versus villains last year.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They had the vigilantes.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It was big structural groups.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we've definitely had big tribes.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We do it in the pre-merge too,

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: but we have big tribes that,

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that do actually like,

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: make a stand and do draw lines.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's hard to do that from six,

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: especially when you're expecting slash having Murgatory.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's,

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the thing more for me.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Does that make sense?

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Or why do you think,

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that it,

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it has been,

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it would be conservative or is it just Rome?

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think,

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it can lead earlier on to a bit of conservative voting.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't disagree with that.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at it episodically,

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: it's like,

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't want to necessarily a conservative vote,

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but one,

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that is still very hard to,

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_00]: to pull off.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Two,

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_00]: as we see now,

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_00]: it doesn't take a ton of votes to create a bit of chaos,

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and this way proves it.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_00]: there were only really two stray votes technically.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Two out of 13 is not a lot,

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's enough.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And also I think that every conservative vote that does happen with these bigger tribes,

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_00]: it just builds up energy.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like stretching the elastic band a little further and a little further,

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_00]: a little further.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to reach breaking points.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be like,

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_00]: okay,

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_00]: cool.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to,

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_00]: who's going to pull the trigger first?

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And when they do,

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: it's going to be an absolute explosion because there's been this whole built up energy.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And then all bets are off.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing's ever going to be the same again.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And there won't be another conservative vote again,

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: because people will be too scared because they've been through it.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't necessarily disagree that big,

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_00]: big tribes initially lead to like conservative voting,

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_00]: but I definitely think it builds up for far more interesting gameplay a little bit further down the line at the very least.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It is interesting hearing Jeff talk about it because it's like,

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: okay,

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I can see why you think you should be doing Murgatory because you think that these big votes are conservative.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But again,

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: you're trying to like create an outcome over like faulty information that is just going to,

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Survivor is so subjective and so layered and so multifaceted that it could go any which way.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: There are extremes of production that will tend to away,

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but even as we've seen like,

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: oh,

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to protect the big players by having a final three and then fire.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like people just now voting at the final five,

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: like people will work around to us,

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: especially when they're incredibly predictable as like the fact that they all knew that the merge was coming the next day.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it did like that kind of predictability of like what people might feed into and having those thoughts.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That's more of an issue.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think than any like one specific,

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: well,

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: like there are issues,

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: but like one specific thing when you're like,

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: oh,

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: we can't let them be conservative.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We can't have so many people voting.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We better narrow their options.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But now there are so narrow options with so many votes that they're scared about it bouncing back on them.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So now they're even more conservative,

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like things will bounce around.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why the purity of the game and just letting it play out tends to be the best thing to do and not just like relying on like this will definitely happen.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And we have to change it to the thing that I want,

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: because also what if the thing that you want,

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: as you're saying,

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: isn't even right?

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: What if it is conservative for a round and that makes everyone have like a false sense of security?

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the final 11 vote is like the most like,

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: scary thing you've ever seen.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that trying to control things remains to be the problem.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But when we go to this,

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like this,

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the votes on Andy,

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: which continue to fascinate me,

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is one of the biggest parts of an otherwise pretty passive episode.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have what we see is Sue throwing out Andy and maybe someone else did and we didn't see it.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We see Sue throwing out Andy and then she goes to Sam.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: she says to Sam and Sierra who were there,

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the allies of Andy,

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: how do you feel?

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like,

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: okay.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Sam kind of builds on it with soul.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So Marion,

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: what did you think about this as an ally?

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think there was something else they could have done?

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you rate this?

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I know like Stephen was very critical about like how Sam specifically handled this.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was actually pretty good.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But Dicey,

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: so how did you kind of feel about the split vote from,

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: from Goddard?

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like when they were at,

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: do we call it a merge feast?

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything is just what it looks like to be.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They merge and they're feasting.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So,

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was very good of like Sam and Sierra from like just a game perspective and a strategy perspective when,

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: when Sue throws Andy's name out to,

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to agree with it,

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_01]: even though that,

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: they wouldn't for it.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to pick a fight.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to agree.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm a little bit scared for Sam in the next episode because,

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Sam does tell Saul,

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: right?

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And his name down.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess from Sam's perspective,

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: he's building a bond with Saul,

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_01]: now he solidifies something with him,

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm really scared that in the next episode,

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: like Andy's going to have like a little freak out and be like,

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_01]: where did my,

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: why did my name appear twice?

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I,

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I fear that Saul might just be like,

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Sam told me to vote for you.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And now Andy wants to get out Sam.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So honestly,

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Sam is doing so well.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just wish he would have told Saul,

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_01]: vote for Rome.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I get that everyone was scared.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like,

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: does Rome have an idol or anything,

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but I,

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a good and a bad thing that,

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that Sam did,

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: he solidifying something with Saul,

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but also like the blowback,

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: especially knowing Andy from the first episode,

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he potentially has the potential to have a meltdown or blowout.

[00:50:07] Um,

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah,

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I,

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very nervous for Sam and Sam,

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm rooting for you.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Please be here next week.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_00]: so what,

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_00]: what I find interesting is,

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_00]: is two things.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to break it into two parts is looking at Gado coming into this

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_00]: episode.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then just looking at the conversation and the people that were around

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that conversation when Andy's name was thrown out.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So coming back from that tribal council,

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously now Rachel's been completely blindsided.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's feeling very much on the bottom,

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_00]: which,

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the vote would dictate that she is.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she handles it incredibly well to go like,

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey,

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_00]: look,

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_00]: it's the game.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked to have been looped in.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not just the game.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's Annika.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say no one's ever been more demonized than your poor best

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: friend who just got sent to the pre-jury Ponderosa.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Keyshawn,

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Annika were evil super villains who held me against my will.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They put a gun to my hand.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And I did not want to do it,

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy,

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: but Annika,

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just awful.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't even know.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway,

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's such a run of people.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a run of people.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_01]: To Dino's point,

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: he said Rachel handled it so well when her bestie was voted out because,

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: man,

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_01]: if they had to show how high handled Steffi's blindside,

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I am so glad that they didn't have.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you were very,

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: very good.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't have rice to cook there.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't get to eat their feelings,

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Mary.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have like half a bag of rice to steal from the truck.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't you say that Steffi was threatening you?

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And that if you didn't do what she wanted,

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: she was going to come for your family.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't say that?

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think that's like running a disco.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No,

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: no.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Marion straight up told us to get nutted.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That we were idiots.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I lost my shit.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So again,

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: again,

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with Dino.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Rachel handled it with so much poise,

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the same way that Saul handled the Rome bullying,

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: so much poise.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and I actually watched like Rachel's reaction and I'm like,

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_01]: man,

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: if I should ever play again,

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like I'm going to have a little,

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to call people morons.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh,

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you learn on the third time.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish they called people morons.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just,

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm forever grateful that,

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it wasn't my finest moment.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't even air what you said.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just,

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just,

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just,

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: it was the start of Marion and Dino.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess it wasn't Mariano.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Rachel handed it well.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And she just,

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: she told them all what Annika had done to her.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's,

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's fair and it's fine.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's,

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_00]: although she probably seeing,

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where she genuinely sits on the Sierra thing.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she'll still want,

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Sarah can repair that relationship.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Sam.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It depends on what happens.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So I,

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_00]: so I don't know that.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think she's doing as well as she can with what she's got at the

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_00]: moment.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And God as a whole is doing as well as they can,

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and with repairing those relationships,

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: coming back from a travel and he's coming in there feeling like,

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my word,

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: this was amazing.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You know,

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's,

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_00]: it's from the edit side.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I must say from an editing point of view,

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_00]: this episode was super fun.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Just the way they edited it.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_00]: they dunked on Rome.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_00]: They,

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_00]: they really did,

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: they dunked so much on Rome.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were playing basketball,

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like how he says he plays basketball.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and like,

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: even Andy where it's like,

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my word,

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_00]: he gets blindsided with his name coming out.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Or,

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Rome with the Sam votes and Rome's face is like shock.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Rome's name comes out and then it's like,

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_00]: the real Rome face.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It was great.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They were indistinguishable as well.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He had a good fake shock face because they really were very similar to the real shock

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: face that we saw not 30 seconds later.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway,

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_00]: so the editing has been great,

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_00]: but yeah,

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_00]: so it's interesting.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing I found super interesting was,

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: they,

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: they've highlighted once or twice that Sam has,

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_00]: has voiced in his confessionals.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to show Andy this to break.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I needed to maintain trust.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully I can use this later down the line.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it decoy?

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it this?

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it that?

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's come up a couple of times.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So I suspect that that comes into play.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And at the beginning of episode,

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you think,

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_00]: okay,

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_00]: cool.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to work together with something later on in the game.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas now I'm like,

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_00]: shit,

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_00]: they've shown us that he's excluded Andy.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_00]: They've shown us Sam talking about using this late on the game.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And now there's this pre preview of Andy going,

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_00]: God is dead to me.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cool.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what,

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_00]: what could this could be shaping up to?

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway,

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_00]: so that was the one dynamic to chat a bit about guts are coming,

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_00]: got to coming into this episode.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And then also it's like,

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: what do you do at the,

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: at the well,

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Or at the,

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: at the non merge merge feast.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The,

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_00]: the,

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the merge feast,

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_00]: the reward.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So there you are with a couple of people,

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Andy,

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_00]: who previously had said,

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to go out there and tell everyone that I'm absolutely at

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the bottom.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the information that's been spread.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Here you are with an entire tribe with this one person who's told you

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_00]: that they're at the bottom and they're going,

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_00]: this guy's at the bottom.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You know,

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_00]: what about him?

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_00]: They might've discussed other names and people weren't willing to budge

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because now you've got two and two,

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_00]: which one do you pick back there?

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Now you're showing favoritism.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're defending the one person and not the other person.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like that,

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that's giving away information.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you just take them both off the table and put it onto where there's

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_00]: only one option,

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_00]: like,

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_00]: perhaps there was a bit of a horse trade going on and they went with the

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_00]: past of least resistance.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of ties back into,

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_00]: me just thinking about how Andy positioned himself and now he's falling

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_00]: victim to his own strategy,

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_00]: which wasn't a bad strategy.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just,

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_00]: just happens to not work in this instance.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah,

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to tie those two things together for a bit of my own

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_00]: context.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Well,

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah,

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think,

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that with,

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: did you just say sorry to me,

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_02]: please?

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Stop apologizing for nothing.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry that I gave a point.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_00]: We're 55 minutes in and is it my,

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_00]: only my like second sorry?

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yay.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you've.

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I just tweeted out at this point,

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but that one stuck out for some reason.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that for Sam,

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: like I actually write how he handled this.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Preview aside on how that's going to go.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We can't trust the previews.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think like for me at the point where he's been thrown out and we see Sue

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: throwing out Andy,

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you cannot go to bat for Andy.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we saw Seager go to bat for like Mariah.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're just going to bat to him as a decoy,

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: how close are Goddard?

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like they won't even part with him when the odds of Andy going home are

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: incredibly low.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Again,

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: it is based on Rome having the things he need and the wherewithal incredibly

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: unlikely to not be blindsided here.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Rome is out the door.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The edit knows it.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We know it.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can't even,

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you can't even pretend to anyone that that's not happening.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So the odds of it even bouncing back on that second person,

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: as I was saying,

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: as it would have even been for a soul is very low.

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So throwing out Andy,

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: he should be okay.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But if Goddard won't even allow that to happen,

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: now he's Mariah.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they're Seager.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they're too close.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the threat that Sam Sierra have had on them is elevated further.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: When there has been an app narrative,

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: as you said,

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that Andy has put out there that is on the bottom at that point.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes,

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_02]: you might start to be the decoy.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Mary Ann had this.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_02]: She was at the bottom in 42.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: She built slowly through that and got into a good space.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: She was protected by her two crew members.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like a similar thing that Andy has had.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And she got to build to that point without really putting herself out there

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and showing how close those relationships were.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that Sam was right to be like,

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: okay.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And knowing Andy probably won't go.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: However,

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think now you manage it.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And Kevin Jacobs had a great article in the confessional this week,

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_02]: which is basically like,

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_02]: it's all how you manage it.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Sam needs to go to Andy and say basically what I just did.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The odds of you going home,

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_02]: incredibly low.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a narrative we've put out together.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't tell you at the time because you would freak out.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't want to do that to you,

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but I felt pretty,

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty,

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty good that we could blindside Roe.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We thought that he was completely controlling the vote.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So yes,

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I did that.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And now we're even more covered and we're going to strike when they least

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: expect it.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He has to go to him immediately and show that even the conversation with

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: soul.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he could almost have his cake and eat it too,

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: because the name had already been put out there.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a,

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: he said,

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: he said soul's word against Sam's at Sam saying like,

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I want,

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: to work with you over Andy.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that's,

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: all fine for me.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think if anything,

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_02]: if you try to protect Andy at the merge feast,

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: then he could become the real target,

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: then,

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_02]: then that actually becomes more pressing than Roe who's completely by

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: himself.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was fine.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: My biggest concern is the idol that Rachel knows at least something

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: about,

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: about that he was looking for it.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that he had it.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not super sure what she knew,

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: but I know she knows more than Andy did.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And she has a reason to out it and she could use it against Sam.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my biggest verifiable information.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Against what Sam is doing,

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but I actually thought handling his name being thrown out.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't the worst thing for me personally.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you,

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_02]: what do you think Marion?

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Again,

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I spoke about it earlier on,

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it,

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and again,

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Dino mentioned it,

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all going to,

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all going to have to do with the way that he manages this,

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So he tells Saul to write down Andy's name.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Great.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm forming a bond with Andy.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm forming a bond with Saul.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I know Andy's not going home.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think just watching Sam,

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: in the first six episodes,

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he'd be able to come back and manage it and,

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and,

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_01]: solidify his bond with Andy.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it actually brings me back to like on,

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_01]: on myself and Dino season with a Steffi vote.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Dino managed that so well compared to like everyone else that came to me.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And again,

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: like people underestimate managing.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very important.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You underestimate like the power of management.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So again,

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Sam,

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you better be here.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like at this point,

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: he's my winner pick.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And like,

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here for you.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping that he's going to come back and just handle it really well.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And that,

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: you know what?

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to put it on Sue.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue's the one who puts the name down as well without self-preservation for

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: soul.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Who I know they bonded over being in their forties,

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: but like you did just meet him yesterday.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah,

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I would just do that and be like,

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: they asked me at the feast.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And did you want to be Mariah?

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Or would you want to be Venus?

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Venus made it pretty far in the game.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I could have made it further if she didn't like trip over her own feet.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So it behooves all of us that they think this narrative at a tiny,

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: tiny risk to you,

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: which unfortunately had to,

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: it was such a small risk.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We're now all in a better spot.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that has to be explained,

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'd love to talk about Sue because I feel like Sue is doing so much.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: She continues to be lady Macbeth,

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the out damn spot plot line,

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the out damn spot plot,

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the out damn plot line.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No,

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: it doesn't work.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's how I always think about it when this paint comes back.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And the,

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the,

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the really concerning thing is it was like in a secret scene last week,

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Gabe is looking for the idol.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He says,

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: no one's found it.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like,

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: so she didn't tell Gabe.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't tell Caroline.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like to me,

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: that would be kind of a little bit to the way I have wanted people to play

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: in a kind of social way.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that would be kind of bad for me if she hadn't been already caught out

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: with the paint saying she bit her tongue a couple of weeks ago,

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but considering she was caught out,

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: not telling her allies is unforgivable to me.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And like,

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe she's working with Caroline because Caroline is the best ally of all

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: time.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Who will see this and be okay with it and cover for her.

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And she can read that.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And she knows she's got a great relationship and she has fostered that

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship and good for her,

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: but there has to be some danger there.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know,

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: how are you feeling about Sue and everything that she's doing with the

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: paint and everything that's going on with Sue?

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Again,

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I think incredibly difficult one to manage.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Sue had two options when she was caught red handed to,

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: just be like,

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey guys,

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the two of you,

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I have found something,

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: please keep it a secret.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But she really didn't have trust in Tiana.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So telling Caroline,

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: yes,

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: agreed,

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: agreed with you there.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that person can try,

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: help you cover tracks and,

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: mitigate any sort of blowback.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Now you get the situation where everybody's finding it.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And again,

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I love the edit,

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: just the zoom in on her face of like concern of like,

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a great edit.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Her life flash before her eyes and it was incredibly clear on her face.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: All 45 years of her life flash before her eyes.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So,

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: so I think she's,

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: it's all going to come down to Tiana.

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was more interested in,

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I made a note of here and going like,

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Caroline handles this probably the best.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: In the sense that she could,

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: she could very well go and run amok with this information to try by favor with a whole lot of people.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But then everybody has that information.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody benefits from it.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she loses somebody that she's got a close relationship with.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She might elevate herself for like three and a half seconds in the game,

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: but she loses it.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Now she's going like,

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey,

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Caroline.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey,

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Sue,

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I know you've got this.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We're good.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for you.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't even stress.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: We're,

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: which is the right,

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: in my mind,

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: which is the right thing to do.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Knowing that if it does come out,

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Tiana is the one that's,

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that's spread it.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's never going to look,

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: it's not,

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: it's never going to look like Caroline spread that information.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Not for a second.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: We know,

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: we know Sue's already suspicious,

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Not of Caroline.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So,

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: so Caroline sees all sorts of upsides.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I think her,

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: her play here was,

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: was great.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Sue is,

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: is,

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: is,

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: is going to be outed.

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that idol is going to get flushed relatively early on.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Come actual merge,

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: real merge.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's,

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: it is the merge.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue,

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue's,

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: in the Rome school of doing too much,

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel,

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think for Caroline,

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: she doesn't have to not trust Sue,

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: even though Sue did this very weird thing.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she can be like,

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue's a little weird,

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that it makes Sue,

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think,

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: it does make Sue a bad ally to her.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Sue is a good ally to her.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: She shouldn't,

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: she could read into it like,

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: wow,

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: can I even trust Sue?

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I should use this against her.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think she's invested so much in that relationship,

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and it is a mostly good relationship.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And while this is a very strange mistake for Sue to make,

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to not tell her,

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it speaks more to just kind of like the strangeness that she might

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: have to work around and mitigate and having Sue as an ally,

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: but I don't think it speaks to like Sue's loyalty for her and a genuine

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship that is important.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So she does kind of at that point have to vouch for her,

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: but I also think Sue gets lucky and fostered the relationship well,

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: but gets lucky that Caroline will handle that with such grace.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And Sue put it first,

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: even though it does have some red flags as an Alliance member,

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that they could play like this and not tell you about all of these things,

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: even when you caught them red-tongued.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So that I think is strange.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion,

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: how do you feel about,

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue,

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: she's lied about her age.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: She's lied about her job.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: She's lied about the paint.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: She's lying about the idol.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: She threw out the name that we saw.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue's doing a lot.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel about everything?

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She's doing a lot.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I must say,

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like Sue.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I also liked the fact that when she found the idol,

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she didn't,

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: run and tell everyone because that seems to be like the new theme.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You find something and you run and you tell everyone.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a tribe idol.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: If I find the idol,

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to tell anyone unless I need it as leverage.

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't generally think that Sue made the biggest mistake.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously,

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: she was caught red-handed.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So at that point.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: At that point,

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a bit of a tribe idol.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like at that point,

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe at that point,

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: just confide in Caroline.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And just be like,

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I did find this.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't trust the honor and lock it in.

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But again,

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Sue's very lucky that,

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Caroline figures it out and she goes to,

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and she's like,

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy for you.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Good.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping that Caroline is not going to out.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So when I'm hoping that the yarn is just going to like,

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: forget about it.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: probably not.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: She probably won't because it was a weird,

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: very long-term storyline involving red paint and now pottery.

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the kind of thing I think you think about.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how I want to get rid of.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And just like in an alternate universe,

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: like Tiana forgets about it.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Sue's protected.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I look like Sue when I'm 57,

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because she really does look good for her age.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That woman is 45,

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Marion.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's actually insulting about what you said about it being.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: If you think about it,

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Leticia and Sue.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about my real life now.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Leticia and Sue played at around the same age.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So I would,

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to stop there.

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They both needed,

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the loved ones visit because we don't know how much time each of them have

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: left.

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: As Kyle says,

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: if the good,

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: good Lord wills it or whatever he said,

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: there'll be much time for a 45 year old.

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is a strange thing to say to a 45 year old.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway,

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: it's fine.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think,

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: sorry,

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I just,

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: just had a thought now after phrasing Caroline.

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry that I said sorry.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It's contagious.

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No,

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry that you're sorry that I'm sorry.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like don't even,

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: it's fine.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Guys,

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: it's still,

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: it's all right.

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: so there is a,

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a potential risk.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you,

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: you'd agree here that I'm just thinking of for,

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: for,

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: for Caroline.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen them come up as,

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: oh,

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Sue and Caroline.

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: They've got this relationship.

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So now if people think that's,

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Sue have,

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: or Sue have,

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Sue has something.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They would assume Caroline,

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: they would assume Caroline knows something.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Caroline becomes a potential,

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: target to split them up and flush something out.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So,

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: so it's not all well and dandy for Caroline.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not all outside.

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That is true.

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good point.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's,

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's handling it well,

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think Sue's now,

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: there's an inherent risk that's,

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah,

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of,

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: no.

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Going over onto Caroline.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Potentially.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I,

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the risk is she's tied herself to a player who I praise a lot at the beginning.

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm increasingly concerned about,

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: she's just doing a lot.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're right.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That the same way that Genevieve was worried about Rome,

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Sue is doing a lot.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I'm not calling her Roman.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not to that extent,

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but it could bounce back.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And you a hundred percent can be collateral to that.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's my concern for Caroline.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not,

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like,

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you've invested in Sue.

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You are covering for Sue.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not about each of those individual decisions.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just by like,

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: now that you're learning that this is the kind of player that Sue is like,

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: don't you have alarm bells about how that might impact her?

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you by association,

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: considering it's such a close association.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think that it's something she probably will have to worry about.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And so if you're caught in mind,

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: so it's happened with Sue and potentially,

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Caroline and then Rome and Genevieve,

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: There's been this eventual risk that your ally brings onto you.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and then we go back to,

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to Rachel,

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the way,

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Andy kind of reached out and Rachel wasn't too keen to like build a full on

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: alliance with this guy.

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And it goes like,

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: does it validate Rachel's decision at that point?

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is the potential outcome of playing with somebody who's

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: incredibly sloppy or messy,

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: or I'm calling them all sloppy and messy,

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm just saying like,

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: in a different way,

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Andy could have brought immense risk to,

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: to any one of his like close allies game.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So does it like kind of bring a validation to that?

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Because absolutely like who you align with,

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: you're not just an alliance based on trust.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You're there based on potential,

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: perception and,

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever we do,

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: we do.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And we've both got to like pay the price for it.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: At some point.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I completely agree with you.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think that there are options beyond just like reject someone.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how much Rachel knew that Andy felt rejected and like go

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: all in on someone like Jennifer did with Rome,

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: which we can talk about,

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: like Carolyn has done with Sue.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's unfortunate for Rachel that it didn't get across the line to

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: the point where,

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy then goes,

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: like if he's not an option for you,

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: then it's best that he's like out the door.

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and I,

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that,

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy said in his like mid game merge,

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: free merge,

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: interview with Dalton Ross that like,

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: he'd already gone to Sam saying we should work on something.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And Sam and Sierra really vouched for him.

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So either not choosing to,

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: or not getting it done might be a bit of the issue at the point where that's

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a loose end,

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: or at least like placating that person.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: There has to be some middle ground between like,

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: rejecting someone and being all that might be,

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think that that might be,

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that could be an issue for,

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: for Carolyn down the road.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like for Sue,

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like Sue.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the other name voting,

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: writing Andy unnecessarily,

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think here being that second vote and whether she's choosing to,

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and really putting her hand up,

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: whether it's being put on her,

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a divide that is unfortunate in a social game where that's possibly an

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: option that's been cut out.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She herself has been so anti Kyle because he wrote her name down.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Now she's wrote down the name,

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: written down the name of someone who is still in the game in Andy.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just think there's some unnecessary divides that Sue is putting forward

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: here.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I would also love to talk about Kyle here.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting episode for Kyle.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle is a really trusting person.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and to be honest,

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like Kyle said a lot of the stuff that Rome said,

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle was saying,

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: right.

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So just to go through that scene,

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: because I watched it multiple times because the way that Rome narrates it

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: isn't true to what we're seeing.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just,

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we've touched on it,

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: but I just want to point out.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle does say Sam is the biggest threat.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome takes that to Sam and it's true.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what's narrated to us.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome says,

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: what about Tiana?

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle says that's fair.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I wouldn't have killed him to be like,

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Tiana has been like at the bottom.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we,

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: we,

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: we work really,

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: well together.

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we should bring her in instead of being like,

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that's fair.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know what else was said in that conversation.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he could have vouched for Tiana,

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but he,

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: well,

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: from what we saw,

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: he certainly did not throw her name out from we not what we know of their

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship.

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It would seem strange for him to do that.

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's where I was at Rome said that in confessional,

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: he said that car throughout Tiana in exits,

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: he is still saying,

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: car throughout Tiana.

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Again,

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the exits,

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: have to be had with sight soul.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he does say Caroline and Sue,

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: a very close mother daughter relationship.

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: He does say Caroline's really bad at challenges.

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome tells us,

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: he also said that they were bad socially.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He goes to Sue and says,

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: they're very close.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They did that.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what Kyle said.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And the challenge stuff and the social stuff.

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So at the point where Sue comes back to Kyle and it's like,

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you said all this stuff.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle's like,

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I just said you had a mother daughter relationship.

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That might be bad.

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like mother's daughter is often a close.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think Marion about like how you sit with Kyle's episode here?

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause I feel like he gave a lot with Rome to bury him,

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but then did very well in burying Rome on the bounce back.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So how do you kind of feel about this conversation with Kyle and then how it kind of all exploded from there?

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So I have a note.

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said that Kyle handled Rome throwing him under the bus with so much grace because,

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: he could have exploded and,

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: made a bigger fuss,

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but he just,

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: he handled it so well.

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think what was really great for him was at the merge feast.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: When they,

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: when they start talking about Rome,

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle says,

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what he's doing to us.

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't say like,

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what Rome is doing to me.

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes like,

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what Rome is doing to us.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So he makes everyone feel like Rome is,

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: he's attacking everyone.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like the poison in the tribe.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and that word me and us,

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think made such a big difference.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And again,

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it was so subtle.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the art of subtlety that,

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and we look for,

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's so sincere because us,

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone wants to be included,

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: survivors,

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: not a me game.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an us game.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So you always want to play up to that.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And he did it in such a spectacular fashion.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I watched that and I was like,

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you go boy.

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think like that moment at the feast,

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: he really put the nail in Rome's coffin.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he did it in such an incredible way.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And again,

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: he's such,

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: he's just got such a nice guy,

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: energy order.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean,

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I just,

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I love to love him.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I love Kyle.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think Dino?

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah,

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got huge praise for Kyle for this episode.

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Rome fishes for a name of big threat.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He says,

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Sam,

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: cool,

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: defendable.

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You could always give a different context.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And if we don't see the Sam blowback potentially or whatever,

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't recall.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of in a montage of information and Sam's like the middle part of the sandwich.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So we don't see him.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean,

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you could easily defend them and be like,

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: oh,

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: he asked me who I think is going to be best challenges.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said,

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you,

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: sorry,

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: like my bad,

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: but something that Kyle.

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a non-liar and none of that is true.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So the thing about Kyle though,

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: is that we know he's not the super fan of the game.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the players know he's not the super fan of the game.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And he refers to himself.

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like,

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: everybody knows I'm the most honest idiot out here.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's got that edge.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I love how Andy was like,

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: yes.

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a stupid dumbass.

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And Andy's like,

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that is not you are speaking my language.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's great to manage his own threat level and his social game comes through and

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_00]: he is,

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: he becomes like super believable.

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And like in the,

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_00]: in the Caroline,

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Sue thing,

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it's like,

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah,

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I do see you guys have a mother daughter relationship.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know the impact shame.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't be mad at him.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't malicious.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The guy doesn't know the game.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he doesn't know that everybody's going to be out for us because we have a

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: mother daughter relationship.

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the worst thing in the world that you can have in this game.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You know,

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: like,

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: he can,

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: he can,

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: he can play anything down like he does,

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_00]: the Tiana thing is,

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: is,

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: is interesting because Tiana says,

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: my gut said something was wrong.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That is my ally.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think when Rome throws Tiana's name out and he goes,

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that's fair.

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: He's doing a great thing of,

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: managing threat,

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: not being seen as,

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: having a close ally.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a bad thing that he goes like,

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a bad thing at all.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah,

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that's fair.

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Let,

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: let them lead the conversation and you just agree with the opinion because

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: it's their opinion.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like,

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah,

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: he threw your name out.

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't,

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't rebut it.

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: What must I do go and like,

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: give him all my actual thoughts and go tell him how close you and I

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: are and put a target on both of our backs.

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It ends well for neither of us.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's going to,

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: now you might get information.

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't and vice versa.

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause he doesn't think we're together.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think,

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think,

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he could have done much better in that situation,

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: particularly with the character that he had.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Now,

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: if it was soul on the other hand,

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: who's a believable guy,

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: so I wouldn't go around doing it.

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not necessarily the way,

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: the way of Rome's done,

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: but like,

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: then it's going to be harder to defend because now you've got two

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: believable characters and it's like,

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: who's telling the truth.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So huge face for Kyle.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't have a vote.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have blackness power.

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He goes out and gets himself an immunity necklace,

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: which I don't think he needs,

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: but he keeps it off the table for his number one target,

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: which is great.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah,

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: without his vote,

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: he's still well looped in.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: People are rallying to protect him.

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They consulting him.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not just making assumptions,

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: actually asking him about the situation.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's able to defend it and people are believing him.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So that speaks to not just how he handled that situation,

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but to the relationships that he's built up and the perception that players

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: have of him and his awareness of the perception that players have of him,

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: which I think speaks to like who he really actually is.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: He's just being himself,

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: which is this really nice guy.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: if I had to criticize one thing from him in this episode,

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's,

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: he was reading Rome wrong.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was too trusting of Rome.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think all of that is fine.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're right.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you can kind of cover Sam is a threat.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that did come through because even when he hears about it,

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like,

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: we had a really good conversation.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what?

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And to his credit,

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: to be fair to him,

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: most people would think like,

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: why would Rome go and turn it around on everyone about you when you had a

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: positive conversation that you could build into a

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship?

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And possibly an alliance,

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: like nine people out of 10 wouldn't do that.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But that 10th person is Rome.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe he was trying to build something really positively and socially,

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but he was reading Rome wrong.

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And Rome is a very difficult language to read.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So that part is difficult,

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think that there was a trustiness that he gave as much as you

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: can say,

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: okay,

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: he can cover for a lot of the information.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Most of it is fine.

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He still gave him,

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: he gave him a concrete name in Sam.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He did give a lot on Sue and Caroline,

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: who he has been against.

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That stuff could have been used against him.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's lucky that Rome is so untrustworthy.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe he knows parts of that and knows that he'd kind of win that.

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He said,

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: he said,

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: but he is lucky that Rome will take too much information and make all this

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: information bad.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he did last week with Genevieve,

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like he's doing here.

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause he could have taken,

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: as we said before,

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome could have taken the one pathway to just go to Sue,

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: who already has like a bean or bonnet about Kyle.

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And if Rome had played it better,

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: he might've done that.

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And it might've gone badly for Kyle,

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: where Sue does have a confessional of like,

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: now I want Kyle out.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think he just gave him a bit much,

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but then at the point where it,

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: like he hears about it.

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: First,

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: he has a relationship with Tiana,

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: where she's going to put the information in motion so he can get it

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: back.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He is going to win immunity.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: He is going to put the vote onto Rome really well.

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He is going to cover.

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like,

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the most honest guy out here.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And he did lie at least by admission about the things that he said to

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that he did pretty well in that he ended up being believed,

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: like he covered very well,

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think he did give Rome some ammo,

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think without expecting Rome to play it how he did.

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And just like that lack of awareness was just a little bit of a,

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: of a bug.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But has Rome done him a huge favor because yeah,

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: there was a bit of naivety,

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe surviving naivety in what he thought was just an open honest

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: conversation where you're building relationship,

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you're building an alliance with somebody,

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he was a bit too forthcoming,

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but has Rome inadvertently taught Kyle a valuable lesson at a key part of

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the game?

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but where Kyle might start going like,

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: okay,

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: cool.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what's happened.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: This information comes back and gets used against me.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he's careful.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Not everything's just a nice chat.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So,

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: so like it could be,

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: if Kyle uses in that way,

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: it could be a valuable lesson that he hasn't had to pay the price for.

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: that hopefully if he's an astute or becoming an astute player,

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: he'll be able to use that lesson down the line and not fall into the same

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: trap,

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: at later stage in the game.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so.

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and I hope it's just reading because like Rome felt terrible about Kyle.

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Rome said in exits that Kyle said something beyond the game.

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know what it was.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to dismiss Rome's reality.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I also like have to point out that again,

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: like many things that Rome said in the exit interview were hard to verify

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: against other things that we know.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have to kind of like hear it,

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: but then also like be having the salt.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's,

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's tough,

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah,

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Rome came away like wanting to bury Kyle and Kyle came away being like,

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: what a lovely conversation.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That part is a little concerning for me.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he'll just be a little bit more aware of how people might act erratic

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: or against how he'd expect and just be more prepared for it.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that would be good.

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So who have we not really spoken about?

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to hear more about Rachel.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know you have the pregame friendship with Rachel?

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: anything about like how Rachel is doing here?

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Rachel is one of the most divine human beings you will ever meet.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It means nothing coming from you.

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I do like Rachel so much.

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't just believe you.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that it's completely irrelevant.

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: She's,

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: she really is.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's very calm.

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have a bad word to say about another human being.

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no,

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a couple.

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool.

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to tell us now?

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to do that.

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry,

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Mary and your marks are breaking up there.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: so Rachel.

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know there'd be a whole,

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Dino shape hole through the door if he had to talk about it?

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: No,

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: so,

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: so Rachel,

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: She's,

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: she's awesome,

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and,

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and it just,

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: it shows how quickly she's,

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: made friends.

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just saying outside of this,

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of,

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm,

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sporting my out bluff.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought,

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: what is that?

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You showed the buff and I was like,

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: that isn't the gutter buff.

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: What is that?

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: What is that?

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Those who don't know,

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: but I mean,

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: she's made,

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: she made friends very quickly.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What is that?

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: That's from your,

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So what is that?

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: The,

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the,

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the,

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: the friendship group that you have,

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: that he referenced.

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes,

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: the cult,

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the cult.

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't come for us.

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like the mafia.

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm kidding.

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Don is the Dom.

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Dom is the Don.

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: anyway,

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I probably would believe it more from him.

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: anyway,

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: no.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So,

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: you can see,

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: cause she's just,

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and she and Derek are just both like really down to earth,

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: genuine humans,

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: good friends.

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and you can,

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you can see the way she builds relationships in the real world and how she

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: approaches people.

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's got an incredible patience.

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's shown in the game.

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's not,

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: she hasn't been this like standout character.

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's freaking run amok.

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And,

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: got a thousand confessionals,

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: but sometimes playing a game that's good for the camera is not a good

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: winning game.

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Oftentimes it's not,

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and your good players are able to fly a bit more under the radar.

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: The downside is that not everything you do is shown.

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: The reality is she got,

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: she got heavily blindsided in the previous week,

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is scary to watch,

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but as a friend,

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad she got that experience,

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but still got to,

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: live to,

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: to see another day.

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's,

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: it's cool.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's all a part of the survive experience.

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to be blindsided at some parts.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: If you weren't blindsided or part of blindsided,

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: you even play survivor kind of thing.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think she's done,

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: done really well to,

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: to keep her head.

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: She's done well in the challenges.

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody,

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: nobody's like seen her as weak.

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know going into the game,

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that was one of her concerns was just a bit of the physical side of things.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: She is absolutely.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so proud of this.

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She is absolutely smashed puzzles along the way.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Dude.

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I've like,

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and this puzzle socks make an appearance every now and again.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And it makes my heart absolutely smile.

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like,

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very,

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: very proud.

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So overall I've,

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been,

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I've really loved watching her.

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I do worry for her,

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: her position at this stage.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause now it's unclear.

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And just for the record,

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I am unspoiled on the season.

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And purposely.

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to be able to enjoy the season for what it's worth and sweat bullets

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the way,

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the way you should.

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: so I am a bit worried about her position coming into this now where it's

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: like,

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: okay,

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: cool.

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Your closest ally is gone.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That could be a blessing and a curse.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the other people that you thought you were close with are closer with somebody

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: else.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That person is now potentially turning.

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like,

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: there's shots being fired in and amongst,

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_00]: in the preview,

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: in and amongst the tribe you originally with,

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: where does she fit in?

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a bit of a concern.

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see her building,

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: immense cross travel relationships yet,

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: but that might still become.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah,

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: she's had a journey and I am somewhat concerned,

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: but still optimistic.

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think overall she's done really well.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my,

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: my four minute take.

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No,

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: you are literally friends with her.

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We love the take.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion,

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: do you have,

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: do you want to talk about,

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause I'd love to talk about that Rachel,

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and Sierra,

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like kind of,

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got a woman.

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a rant that I,

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to get to for Sierra.

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel about,

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: about like their place in the game?

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Rachel's in a pretty good place.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not worried about her.

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: in the preview,

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: we see maybe an all woman Alliance forming,

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think that Rachel,

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: like Dino said,

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she's been very subtle,

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: she hasn't made like these,

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: these big elaborate moves,

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but again,

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: like we all for the smarter moves.

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she's in,

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Rachel's in a good position and I don't see a going home.

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Anytime soon.

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and if she's smart,

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like former all girls Alliance,

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: if they can pull that off,

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that's great.

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Sierra,

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not too sure if she would,

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: break,

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: break away from Sam just yet,

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: or if ever.

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah.

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Well,

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about that.

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: sorry.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: No,

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: no,

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: no.

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think like currently,

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like Rachel's a lot more safe than Sierra is.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Sierra has the target.

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do want to talk about it with Sierra because now that we're hearing like all

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: girls Alliance,

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I got the second they say all girls Alliance,

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it will not work.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's always check off all girls Alliance.

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If they mention it in the first act,

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: it'll be over by the third act.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a fact of life,

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but I want to talk about it because I am concerned.

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I,

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I was on the,

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: the post game show right after the episode last week.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So it hadn't manifested as much,

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: although I should have known that it would,

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that Sierra was getting harassment and death stress and attack.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And even the people who weren't attacking her to her face,

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: like the criticisms I was seeing on Twitter about,

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: like she voted out a woman.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just,

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just my absolute pet peeve in life.

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And like,

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry to do this a week late,

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but I just want to speak to it,

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: especially seeing talk of an old girls Alliance,

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: because if it doesn't work out and whoever steps out of line,

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever woman doesn't do that will get hated on by people got mad when I

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: said it,

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's true because I've had similar misogyny happening to me by largely

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: men who wish to control and own women.

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And what it is,

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: is it's when women don't do what men want,

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but you're still centering yourself.

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: how is it that you think feminism is attacking a woman's having agency in a

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: game and bettering her own game,

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: or even if she doesn't,

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: but she's still having that choice right.

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And playing her own game.

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think that often men,

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's particularly infuriating when men do it,

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: seek to have ownership over women's agency and think that they're being a

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: feminist by being like,

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: you voted out a woman and attacking and harassing her speaks for itself.

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But even just criticizing that as her being not a feminist or her being

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: sexist,

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: while you criticize a woman for not doing what you want,

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: especially as a man has just at this point progressed past leaf blowers as

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: my number one pet peeve.

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: If I went on survivor and that was what I had to put in my bio,

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: my pet peeves,

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it would just be number one.

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just want to say it before the woman's alliance happens.

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be great if it happens.

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And if one woman thinks she has a better alliance with Sam,

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: for Sierra,

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: or she has a better option there.

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And even if that option isn't as good,

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and we can criticize it from a game perspective,

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: please do not come for her as a woman,

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: but making a choice because the best way to be feminist on survivor,

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: to empower women is to be a woman playing well,

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: to get you to the wind.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's feminism to have choices and control.

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I hate when people attack,

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: of course,

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: but even just criticize women on that basis.

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is the rant that I've just had in me for a week.

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel better.

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yay.

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel a little,

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a little,

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a little,

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a little,

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: a little,

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the crazy thing about it,

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: she got death threats.

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: She could only take it to a two-two.

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Even at,

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: even at like worst,

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: she could,

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: she was not even the swing vote.

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Sam had the leverage with the idol in their relationship.

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And then,

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and then be at risk of going home anyway.

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And even on that,

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it just shows how it has no logic because Anika didn't even have a vote.

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And even again,

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: if she had chosen on the three-two had been a pure swing,

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: even then,

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously I would have been tearing my hair up.

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that it even happened where she had to have taken Sam across

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and he had the leverage and people wanted to go to the two-two,

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that's feminism,

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: right?

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Risking rocks is feminism.

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I've learned.

[01:28:49] So,

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: ah,

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: okay.

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I needed to.

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm apologizing as well.

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I,

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry for saying sorry.

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It needed to be said.

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah,

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: fair play.

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: The irony of,

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah.

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion,

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got a lot of hate for being a woman on television.

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think something that's been heavy on my heart,

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think for like the past,

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many couple of years is that like,

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate like,

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the toxicity that the survivor fandom sometimes brings.

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not all of them,

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but they,

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: there's so much of them.

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's again,

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have to like everyone,

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you have nothing nice to say,

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just so much easier to shut up.

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Again,

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: we're not saying be a fan of everybody.

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you can hate me,

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but you can also not say anything about it.

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause at the end of the day,

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: like I'm a human being,

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: see it as a human being.

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: we're not survival players.

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we have our own lives,

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: we have,

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: we come back and we have our own reality and our own family.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like,

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: for me,

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: there's nothing more in,

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: irritating and annoying and frustrating than like,

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the toxicity within the fandom and like,

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: how they will like personally attack you or give you death threats or like,

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: throw you under the bus.

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is also has a lot to do with me.

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Not wanting to come on podcasts because people are so mean.

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And me generally,

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: like I'm,

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna,

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna call you out and I'm gonna say it.

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And like,

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: if you were toxic fan listening to this,

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: just stop.

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well,

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not,

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not,

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not actually,

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not these listeners,

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: these listeners,

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: unless you're having,

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I know,

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but you know,

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the troll,

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: believe me,

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the trolls are also,

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah,

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: they're everywhere.

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: they do,

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: they listen to this.

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so weird.

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They hate listening to it,

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but they listening to it.

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like,

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: just stop.

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: If you have nothing nice to say,

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: don't say anything.

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you're not gonna love everyone on a cast,

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: but like,

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: these are people with lives,

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: last season,

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget the name.

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone also got death threats.

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone got,

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: it was,

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: they were kind of sending death threats to each other.

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: This year,

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: just on this one very specific brand of hate and sexism,

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: just one little tiny streamline of sexism is,

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: was Caroline,

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Maria,

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: woman voting out another woman because it benefits their game,

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: or they think it benefits their game has happened so many times.

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's boring and I know I'm a broken record.

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I've had this rant so many times and yet I still feel the need to do it.

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's,

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not even for our listeners because I know that 99% who aren't hate

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: listening,

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: but you should call people out.

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I wanted to say.

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: If you have the bandwidth to get into it with people,

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: you see a man,

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: especially being like,

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: she hates women.

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: She voted out a woman.

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell them they're a misogynist.

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell them that they're not a feminist.

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's important to me.

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day,

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: whether you're a woman or a man,

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Dino voting out full,

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: like no one came for Dino,

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: me voting out middle.

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone comes for me,

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like you in survivor,

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: you need to do what's best for you.

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So if Sieta doesn't want to be part of,

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: an all girls alliance and she feels like going with Sam is going to be

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: beautiful again.

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Her number one ally.

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that'd be crazy.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Then go for it.

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: again,

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're going to,

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: my only,

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: like my survivor dream is just like,

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I need a black widow 2.0 black would be great 2.0.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm,

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm waiting for it.

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been waiting for it for almost 20 years.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So,

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that's my biggest dream in life.

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But if Sieta feels that to get to the end,

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: she has to stick with the number one alliance,

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like let her be.

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think about this often in like the way that the,

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not just the survivor fandom and the way that internet hate is,

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and manifest and all the fandoms.

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the worst it's ever been generally.

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously there are like specific events,

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but like generally it's the worst it's ever been.

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's also the best it'll ever be.

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We're only going down a pathway of more toxicity as more people are online,

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: as more people become uninhibited,

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: as more people feel like they have access to these players and feel entitled to

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that.

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I really just think it's like the,

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: the,

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: the graph is like,

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just evolving in a very straight line.

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and I do think like,

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: when I was talking before the podcast truly about how great so many of the

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: fans are,

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that like the best thing you can do is just like be the light in the

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: fandom and be like,

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the,

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the light that drowns out a lot of the darkness,

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: because there's so much hate and stuff.

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think just by being really positive and like going out of your way to

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: be like nice to players,

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: or,

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: if you see like,

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really upset that Sierra voted out Annika instead of being that,

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like folks said something really nice to Annika,

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: like being that,

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of people are already doing that,

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think that's just the antidote to like a rapidly escalating problem.

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's already terrible.

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll truly only get worse from here.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Also for me,

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like coming on podcasts,

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it's,

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of hard because like speaking about like not criticizing someone else's

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: game,

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: but like,

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: breaking it apart and talking about it.

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like,

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been on the Island twice.

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I know how hard it is.

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that we don't get shown everything.

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that like,

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: we could be having this two hour podcast,

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but everything we say could not have happened at all.

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We could all be wrong.

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard for me,

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: to speak about someone and I'm always trying to be respectful.

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Even with Romy was so patronizing,

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm like,

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: surely this isn't you in real life.

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You built this narrative of,

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: of how you think survivors should be.

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's such an important point.

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Internet.

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion will be back.

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion will be back.

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think,

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: The point that man's raising is it is incredibly tough coming on to a podcast

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and criticizing other players games when you know how tough it is to play the game

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: when you don't have the information,

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: when everything isn't so obvious,

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: it really isn't when you're,

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: when you're playing that game,

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't have the information that we have at home.

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot more information than the players do in the game,

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you know?

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So I desperately feel this point of Marion.

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So like,

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: if you are a player listening to the podcast and we've criticized your game,

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: here it comes.

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We're well aware that we're doing it from a point of,

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: watching it back.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just some views and don't take it personally.

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't invalidate the experience at all.

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: what,

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: what it's tough as players to come back and there's awesome parts of your journey

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that don't get shown or parts that you think you did well,

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that don't get shown or,

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: so,

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: so,

[01:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: so that can be challenging,

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but it doesn't take away the fact that you've played survivor.

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You've lived out this dream.

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible achievement just to get on the show.

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Nevermind actually play it and live it out.

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway,

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: we,

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: we,

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: we've taken this down.

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry,

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Mary,

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: what were you saying before the internet,

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the patriarchal internet,

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: try to take down the important point.

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry,

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: what was I saying?

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Shannon was just telling me how everyone's complained that she's got a male

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: co-host and that she had to bring you on this podcast because her bringing a

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: male,

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: a male guest on only was going to just bring immense hate.

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So you had to balance it.

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kidding.

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We'd want Mary on this podcast.

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Your strategic prowess.

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: man.

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I just,

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: can people just not be so hateful?

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like in South Africa,

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: we say,

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: can you just be like,

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: just be nice.

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You have nothing nice to say.

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Shut up.

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Point blank period.

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I really hate that.

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have to have this rant again.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So soon.

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows for what reason?

[01:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like definitely for the,

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_01]: for the,

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like you voted out a woman thing.

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like after 47 seasons and like how many,

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Australian seasons and South African seasons and New Zealand and,

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and,

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and like,

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: do people not realize that?

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we are people.

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We go on a reality show.

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We play a game for a million dollars or 2 million rand or a million rand.

[01:36:52] Like,

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: are you really telling me that you're going to get on an island and just sit there and be

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: kumbaya and not fighting compete for a million dollars?

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: but you can only vote for,

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: keep with the women.

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're a woman,

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: then you have to put the quarter for your own game because playing with that extra burden

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and making it more difficult for yourself is feminism.

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Aren't you keeping up with what feminism is,

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion?

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so annoying guys for the millionth time.

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: How you play survivor.

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not really a true reflection of yourself.

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it is,

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but also there's like your favorites who,

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: if you knew of this story,

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you would,

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: so.

[01:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's annoying.

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a couple more people that I want to talk about before we get to the chivvy.

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't spoken about as much.

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Teenie.

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And also with that,

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the amulet.

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They chose to,

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: they chose to wear the amulet,

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: which was an interesting choice.

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Really.

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the improved amulet.

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were still like,

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: don't want it.

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: As Andy said,

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: it was basically a way to keep their votes.

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They play it on Teenie.

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Teenie was on who gave up their vote.

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So that I think makes sense.

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's probably something that they,

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: discuss because they said they discuss telling everyone they probably discuss.

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll just play it immediately,

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: probably on Teenie.

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So that,

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and they probably told everyone when they,

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: when they told them we have the amulet,

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: but like,

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: we're just going to burn it instantly.

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Which kind of makes Teenie's decision not to tell Soul even more confusing for me.

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it wasn't something they were really going to be relying on.

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And whether people buy that or not is another thing,

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but that was an interesting way to go about it.

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: What did you think,

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Dino about the way that they chose to just burn the amulet?

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Well,

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: luckily we don't need any insight.

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: you can just go back to Rome sitting in Jeff's seat and explain why it's the right move.

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my job.

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They were for the On Fire podcast.

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: geez,

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a double-edged sword.

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It's,

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: so many people know about it.

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And even if you didn't tell people,

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: people were going to find out that you had a portion of it.

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you are successful in getting one of the other people out,

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's now more powerful or more useful to you or whatever,

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever,

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you only become a bigger target for a longer period of time.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So I say burn it,

[01:39:11] [SPEAKER_00]: build the relationships,

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: give people the information,

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: build the trust and burn it instantly.

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So,

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and yeah,

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Teenie gave up the vote.

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Fair play.

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody else was at risk.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy was getting those votes.

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the one thing where it's like,

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Teenie and Caroline should just act like they did not know that those votes were going on,

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Andy,

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: because then it might look like,

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: wow,

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you didn't care that I was getting any other votes.

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Although to be fair,

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: at the point where they're playing it.

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you play in Sol.

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Again,

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: it speaks to luck.

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Teenie's vote for Sol has had like an up and down relationship with Sol.

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's difficult,

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: but I will say at the point where they're playing the amulet,

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that Rome hasn't said he's using his shot in the dark.

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't used an idol to this point.

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be different.

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if Rome stood up and played an idol and you allowed the amulet to be played on Teenie,

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: knowing Andy was getting the votes at that point,

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: it would be different,

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_02]: but we're very far away from that happening.

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So it should be coverable.

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully again,

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: but then Andy goes home.

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So then Andy goes home.

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's true.

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Andy's out of the game.

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no fallout.

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Except for maybe the Gardner people.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean,

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: no,

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you're right.

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're part of that.

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's no fallout there.

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: so you know that Andy's going to get votes.

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that you didn't play the idol on him,

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: but again,

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: you know that it was so unlikely that he was going home,

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that there wouldn't be a bounce back.

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing else that's been played.

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Seems pretty okay.

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah,

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're Andy,

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you might be upset and be like,

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: wow,

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you really let this like wasted amulet go on Teenie who was never getting votes.

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I was getting votes.

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you know I was getting votes?

[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there might be some conversations around that,

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: even in the intense safety that Andy had.

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why,

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: again,

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: it'd be like,

[01:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that soul was putting one vote on you.

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That one defensive self-preservation vote from soul.

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So easy to cover at the point where it's a tribe thing at the point where Sue is

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: randomly doing it too.

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now,

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Caroline,

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: now all of us are probably answering to what the group is doing.

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So that probably speaks to why it wouldn't have done the two votes.

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But what did you think Marion about this as a,

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: as a move?

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly,

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to lie.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still confused.

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like why,

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: why they chose to play it on Teenie?

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's safe.

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Just burn it.

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah,

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually going into tribal,

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were going to play it for soul.

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But then like,

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: after watching the episode,

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like,

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: okay,

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that would have been too risky.

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah,

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: like the three person amulet,

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't make sense to me in general.

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And again,

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like an advantage can only get you so far in the game.

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really about like relationships and connections.

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think they did the correct thing and just burning it.

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: My question for you,

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Marion is how do you feel if you're in Andy's position now,

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you've gotten two votes to what Shannon was saying,

[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: even though you were dead safe,

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_00]: everyone knew you were dead safe and you're going,

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: what's the harm in having played it on me.

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: If you knew I was getting votes,

[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_00]: like if you're really on my side,

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_00]: that extra protection would have gone a long way from Andy's perspective,

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: nobody else's.

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel as Andy about the two of them?

[01:42:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you,

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have probably been pissed off,

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but like,

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: what if the three people that have the amulets just go to Andy and say

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like,

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: we never heard your name.

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So therefore we didn't play it.

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But then again,

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you have to cover for that.

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then again,

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's the intricacies of,

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: so you never heard Andy's name.

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So then what did you think was happening?

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you thought soul was going,

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you're okay with me going like there's a web here,

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think like Andy is not entitled to that amulet.

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he has a third of it.

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But he gave up their vote.

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Teenie's ally went home.

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Teenie was going to tribal that night.

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Teenie is the one who did it.

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they,

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_02]: they did it to save their votes.

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not trying for the amulet.

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So like that might be upsetting,

[01:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but I mean,

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really feel like it was Andy's decision to make.

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Teenie is the one.

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure that they made that decision at the time.

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: For Teenie.

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And Teenie was like,

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Teenie was tipsy half the episode.

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So whether you've been in your right mind.

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I was drunk.

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait,

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: why did you lay it on me?

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like,

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I have the worst hangover and I can't get into this right now.

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Truly.

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what was going on.

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What did we do?

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We played the amulet.

[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Teenie had moments where,

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_00]: when they were drinking wine,

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought to myself,

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a lovable drink.

[01:43:16] [SPEAKER_00]: This is your friend.

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: When you go out for a night,

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: they just get more and more and more lovable as they drink,

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and just go,

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: hello,

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: you're so much.

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello,

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah.

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We have soul survival.

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We literally soul survival so much.

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's literally,

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: this isn't,

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: wait,

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: why did you do that?

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so drunk.

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was so drunk.

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I indicate more.

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You also shut down that wine.

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like,

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: if you.

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there should be more alcohol and survivor personally.

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: a hundred percent.

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Also,

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: you get so drunk from like one beer,

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: one glass.

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she was literally downing it.

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: exactly.

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: When you come to South Africa,

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: you're more than welcome to come wine tasting with myself,

[01:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: with me and Dino's wife,

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Kirsten.

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah,

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_00]: it is.

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't get the invite either.

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an all girls alliance,

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Dino.

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Kirsten's included.

[01:44:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[01:44:05] [SPEAKER_00]: so in other words,

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: none of you will pitch and I'll be there.

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway,

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: this was,

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: this was pretty good.

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought,

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: it's,

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: it's either a bounty or a difficult thing for the three of them to use.

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So it made sense.

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last person I wanted to talk about was Genevieve.

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: we talked about,

[01:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and like,

[01:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: so I said last week,

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the scales be tipping.

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I was all in on the,

[01:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: on the move to take out Kishan.

[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it had agency.

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it preserved a good alliance and like multiple good individual alliances for Genevieve.

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then last week I was like,

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: now like Rome was even worse to Rome was worse than I think me or Genevieve expected.

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He threw her under the bus.

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He became unworkable.

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And this week that goes to its conclusion where they all have to get rid of Rome.

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like preserving him was so much even worse than we could have,

[01:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I think possibly imagined.

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe you'd say she should have read that.

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And she should have known that,

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: or she should have managed it better.

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think to me now,

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: having seen the scales tip to the point of him being unworkable to going home in this fashion,

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the scales maybe tip into the point where now I'm like,

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I said 60,

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: 40 on her doing it.

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: on voting out Kishan.

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I probably went to about 50,

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: 50 or maybe even 40,

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: 60 last week.

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And now like,

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the tales of the scales have tipped to,

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think to me that was the move.

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: given how unworkable Rome ended up being,

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I,

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I,

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: it was cool as hell.

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Genevieve is amazing.

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: She seems really social.

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she can build now socially because of who she seems to be.

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But the basis point I think is worse because now I think I'm like,

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I still think I have given her the three chizzy points because

[01:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting options abounded.

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just so well done.

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not,

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like hate it,

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but I don't know that I like it anymore of her keeping Rome.

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: how can I,

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: how can I say that given the way that it's gone for Rome?

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and her do,

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_02]: what do you think,

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Marion?

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Do Genevieve,

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: having to break from Rome after putting every investing so much into Rome.

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you see like,

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: her move and where she sits now?

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the previous episode where,

[01:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome gives her the information that like,

[01:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: she's the backup name.

[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: he did it in such a way.

[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you hear your name on survival,

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: like when someone comes to you,

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_01]: even if you're the backup name,

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you,

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you got the votes down,

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but you hear like,

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God,

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: they're voting at Marion.

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: There is nothing scary in this world.

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like,

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't explain it.

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So,

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I can kind of understand why Genevieve then chose to take Kishon out.

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like,

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God,

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like,

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: is he really throwing my name at the bus?

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this true?

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

[01:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I hated the fact that she,

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that she went with Rome and she voted Kishon out.

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have loved to see more of him.

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he had so much game left in him.

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do like Genevieve and I do think she's got enough,

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like social and strategic capability to like weave herself through this merge.

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Um,

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and one thing I got a note and I said like,

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: when they were looking for like that,

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: sorry,

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going off point,

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but when they were looking for like the merge advantage and herself and Sam

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: are like on the cliff and she sees the,

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the buoy and Sam goes like,

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: no,

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: it's nothing.

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually thought Sam was going to run back and find it.

[01:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just chill.

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she went back and she trusted a gut.

[01:47:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And like,

[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: there's few things more important in survivor than like trusting your gut

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and your intuition.

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like,

[01:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: if she's going to keep trusting a gut,

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: she's going to do very well in this game.

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like she's,

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: she just reminds me of an old school player.

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like a little bit of poverty.

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I've said it before,

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of Kim Spaulding and so much Genevieve.

[01:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I really,

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to see her go far.

[01:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the,

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the hard thing with like Kishon throwing out her name is like,

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that was unfortunate.

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And it did speak to how she was like a second priority Tim over teeny.

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was like some gap there where he wouldn't fully protect her,

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but then what Rome did the next episode was so much worse,

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: where he like fully threw her under the bus to soul.

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And he,

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and it could be even worse,

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like that could be the tip of the iceberg for Rome.

[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it was like,

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: she went out of her way because that was so unforgivable with Kishon.

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: She did this also move and flipped everything around and kind of severed

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: other relationships,

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: possibly that she's had to build back like a teeny as an example to,

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: um,

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: get rid of Kishon because that was such a scary action that he'd done.

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Rome,

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_02]: he,

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_02]: even though she was his first priority,

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like it showed that she was Kishon's second priority,

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_02]: but with like a first priority,

[01:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: like Rome has for you,

[01:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: who needs enemies?

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like even her being his number one ally,

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: it was so bad.

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'd rather be Kishon's number two than Rome's number one,

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: because we've seen that with him.

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think,

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Dino?

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Where do you sit on,

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_02]: on the Genevieve move that I'm still analyzing two weeks later?

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think like we,

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_00]: she did what she needed to do with information she had at that point in time.

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when it needs to be judged,

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: it's the same as poker,

[01:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:48:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You can go into a hand and you have,

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_00]: two outs with two cards to,

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: or you can have like tons of arts.

[01:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you've got 20 outs,

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_00]: two cards to play and it's,

[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: 40% odds of hitting and you make a decision based on those 40% odds.

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And don't hit.

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So you do hit whatever you've made that decision at that point in time.

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the game plays out and it might be an element of luck.

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: if you do that a hundred times,

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: you end up being more profit,

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_00]: not in the case of 40%.

[01:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I've used a bad example,

[01:49:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but the principle is the same,

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:49:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:49:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's what it should be judged on.

[01:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily,

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh,

[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: did that work out or not?

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you might've made a good decision that still has a bad outcome.

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: If,

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: if,

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_00]: if that makes sense,

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So I look at it this way in,

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in that,

[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_00]: at the point in time,

[01:49:36] [SPEAKER_00]: it's,

[01:49:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you've got teeny and,

[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and Kishan who are tight too,

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're not breaking that,

[01:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: with the Kishan in the driver seat,

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_00]: which was a major concern for her,

[01:49:47] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: then you've got Sol,

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: who's a bit of a,

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_00]: uh,

[01:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: free agent.

[01:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you've got Rome who was to a point really loyal to,

[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_00]: to Genevieve.

[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So you take out Kishan,

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you've broken up that,

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that tight too,

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: going further into the game.

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're maintaining what you thought was a loyal ally to you.

[01:50:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's openly shared information with you,

[01:50:08] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He ends up throwing you under the bus,

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_00]: but that's not also the worst thing because now she's,

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_00]: she's actively saved Sol where she can build a relationship with Sol.

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Teenie has lost her,

[01:50:18] [SPEAKER_00]: her number one or their number one.

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So you've,

[01:50:21] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[01:50:22] [SPEAKER_00]: broken up a potentially tight duo and you don't have a visible number one

[01:50:27] [SPEAKER_00]: ally at this point in the game where people are looking at,

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_00]: okay,

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_00]: cool.

[01:50:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Where are the power structures?

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: a dangerous player isn't as dangerous as a dangerous two or three.

[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and the further you get down the line,

[01:50:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the more powerful that two or three becomes because more of the vote

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_00]: they make up.

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think Genevieve hurt her position by doing what she did.

[01:50:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And her skill level,

[01:50:47] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[01:50:48] [SPEAKER_00]: shows that it actually didn't matter which route she went.

[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And she was going to make the best out of that outcome anyway,

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: as she has done.

[01:50:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And that speaks to more like the gifted player that she is,

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_00]: is that she can make that decision.

[01:51:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And even though Rome did turn on her,

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_00]: she still got the favorable outcome.

[01:51:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Rome's gone.

[01:51:04] [SPEAKER_00]: She's still in a good position.

[01:51:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So I wouldn't,

[01:51:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm,

[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to kind of park that one and move on.

[01:51:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You've obviously quite hung up.

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about it next week here on.

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Um,

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

[01:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[01:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not worried for her.

[01:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also not worried.