Survivor Global: Idols, Rocks and Rice-gate | S47 Ep 2 with Matthew Haywood

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Survivor International RHAPups with Matthew Haywood, Survivor International RHAPup Podcasts with Michelle

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone and welcome to our

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Chaky's coverage. It's a live

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Global for survival 47. I'm your host

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Shannon Gus here to talk about

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: episode two, I thought a really fun

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: 90 minutes of survival. A lot of

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: strategy to get into it. I'm

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: really excited to have I think my

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: first UK guest on survival

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: global recap. The winner go to

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: start with the winner. Start with

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: number one, the winner of the

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Chizzy and the season. It is a

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: great Matthew Hayward Matthew.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for being here. Yeah,

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_04]: thank you for having me. I'm really

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: excited for these. I've got my

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_04]: cheesy mug. I love it. Rob has a

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast. So it's very on brand

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: for me this morning, but you have

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: excited to just chat about

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_04]: your survival and just really get

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: into it. It's nice. It's nice

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: watching other people do it as

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: well and being the guy on the podcast

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: talking about it. Yeah, so you can

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: criticize other people and you're

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: enough to be like in this spotlight

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: getting criticized and full the

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: place where I've said the word

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: criticizing them the next season.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: They can come criticize other

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: people. It's a circle of criticism

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and the best part about being just

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: a podcast that you've never played

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: as you would never in the heat of

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it. Just you just get to criticize

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like the best the best place to be,

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but as you how are you last spoke

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: to you at the beginning of the year

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you just won survival. You spent

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the whole year having won

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: survival. What's life life for

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: you now? Yeah, it completely

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: changed my life to be honest.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Not just the kind of all experience

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and things I've just kind of the

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: aftermath now. I'm. Yeah, I'm a

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: change person. I think I'm I'm so

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of like I was able to jump

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: in. So in a few hours, I'm

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: able to jump in and doing

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: bunch of jumping today. Today is

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: two and a half hours. So I'm

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: able to do this podcast and then

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be going

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: bungee jumping. I should have

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: done this podcast from the top

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of the cliff and just kind of

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: finished by jumping out. That

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: was a great one from an audio

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective. That's crazy. Anyway,

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: like you know what I did today?

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, just this podcast, that's

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: my day like I was pretty much

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: a day. And you need to spice it up

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're going to do it. Yeah.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, doing lots of like

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: adventures of now and then, like

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: lots of stuff on like social

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: media, so like teapop. I'm really

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: enjoying and I'm really push

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: myself on there. I'm like spending

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: on the night on islands. So my

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: survival instincts are still within

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: me. I'm still doing a lot of

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: survival types of stuff. No,

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I've had a great year,

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: since in the along with

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: continue. That is crazy. I'm so

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: impressed. I genuinely like

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: my plan for today was like do

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: some work, clean up the appam

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and do this podcast. I didn't

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: even get to cleaning up my apartment.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You are going to go bungee jumping.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: What do you be fair in the UK?

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It is morning at the minute. So

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: it's even in where you are. Yeah,

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: even more worse than I didn't get

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: this. I was meant to. You have

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what you think will bring

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're going to go to bed

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: tomorrow. They're there. Well,

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: thank you for making the time

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: for us, given that you were

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: bungee jumping in me at hours

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: from now.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, but we're talking a

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: little bit before we press

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: record about you all so by the

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: fan. I'm so for the people who

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't watch UK firstly held there.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You go watch mass amazing game.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But also, so you weren't a fan

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that you became a fan while playing

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: worth the game very, very well.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And have since been a fan like

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: can you tell the listeners like

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: where is your survivor

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: fandom at the moment?

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you sit with the survivor

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: of it all?

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. So you were 100% ready

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: before I played the game.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Wasn't a survivor fan.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Haven't really seen any survivor

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: or anything like that.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So I kind of went into the game

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: played it which is a weird

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: it's weird to play it before you

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: watch it.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Play the kind of a

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: survivor.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not really well to it.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when I finished, I

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: did kind of leave on a more so that

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of good so when I got home

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: locally, um, titan's be rebels.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Ed in Australia.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: So I got to watch that which I

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: loved and I thought that was

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_04]: super great season like I don't

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: have much to compare it to for

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: it's very good season.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's a top tier

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of entry level into

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: watching survivor.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was really looking with

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that and I'm not going to be

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: able to do it like that's the top

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: of the mountain.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There are some of the board.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That's also, yeah.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_04]: That's also a bit sad like

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: feeling like everything could be

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: down your whole.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean there's also

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: another amazing seasons to

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: be.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of a credible

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: thief but tied to V-rebels

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: is amongst the best.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what we need.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: We need some people to send

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: me that order that I need to

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: watch.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it will do.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll do the Shannon.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: When will you do it?

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Between bungee jumping and when

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: will you find?

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll send you the traveling

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: on a train.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I've got my phone out.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Streams will be good.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: This is great because I'm

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: different from Ferris too.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I should start a business.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just for survivor winners

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: who haven't seen at least one of

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: the franchises if not all the

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: franchises and eye-telling that they

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: watch after they win.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a niche market but I've got

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: two people in it already and they

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: have to spend.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got all to spend, right?

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can pay me for myself.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely no.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm really enjoying

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of watching the like

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: like the other countries like

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: because my first experience

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: was UK so it's nice to see

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Australia and then the US version

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: as well is just a

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_04]: mammoth of a franchise.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm kind of starting now on season 47

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: which again is a bit different

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like starting season 47.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm excited.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she's the first two

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: episodes I've really enjoyed in

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Annyeonghook.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel like Jeff compares

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: to Jonathan and Joel?

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Jeff is very like

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: to the point and you can tell

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: he's the boss.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: He leads.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: He leads it and you can tell he's

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: got power.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't control Joel.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Joel just making fun.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Joel is just one of the kids.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the things I really

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: moved the puns.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I was honestly when we were doing a

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_04]: challenge with Joel.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_04]: His humor is really the same as mine.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was really bad at puzzles.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So he would like be making

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: jokes about the puzzles

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and because I just couldn't do the

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: puzzle that was just like

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: laughing with Joel.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I kind of like the puns.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I love the time.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's different as well.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's different if you saw

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: you used to all the serious

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: it.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It sometimes can be nice to

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: change it or I know some people

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe maybe didn't like it

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: without life, you know?

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: There's people who are wrong

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: speaking of like the

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: rumors that you

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: K.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's no UK

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: fever on the horizon.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any feelings around

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you know where UK is at?

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know there's big stuff

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: happening in global survival

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but they haven't reported any

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: UK people in Australia versus the

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: world.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: What a bit of a love for UK

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: survival after what I loved.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Love the poof, I don't love

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the whole season of UK survival.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So how are you kind of feeling

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: as like the now kind of

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: only winner which is nice,

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, no one can come to take

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: this out of me.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You will always hold that

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: mantle but how are you feeling about

[00:07:09] that?

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah well you could look at it like that.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm the only winner's five

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: UK.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They did so well that they couldn't

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: top it like they just couldn't beat

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Just so now just yeah.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why that's an

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: heavy ride.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a big round.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: People from now on.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone's actually going to be

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: all like my friends in that.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I say when is the next season

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: coming and like,

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: ah, it's not coming yet.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying it's not coming yet.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying it will come eventually.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think maybe the bite of

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: this year off.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know or maybe next year,

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: year after.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's a working concert and

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it will come back.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the team who don't

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_04]: eat absolutely amazing.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Like we have a lot of the team as well

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: come from Australian survival

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_04]: if you would like to be

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: juices and stuff like that or they

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: also survive.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I have all faith in them but

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah kind of like being the only

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: UK winner to good title.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like no one can take away from me and

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, it's exciting but I want to see

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: it come back because I feel like

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that's how our

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: friends tries.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It could have a little button to

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the other ones.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: What time they're like,

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: what are the UK ones?

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you're wearing it started for me.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you're a whole different

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: group.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But would you see support as

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: well, the couldn't have got some

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: people in the Australian

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: the Australia versus the world?

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And see,

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: because I think that would be

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I would have been, I would have been

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: honestly as a being on that

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: plan ready to play.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's always there's always

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: to go again whenever it should be

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: under some like I looked at.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready to go again but maybe

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm ready to like adapt my game a bit.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready to go in from different angles.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been thinking because I think

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you can't play the same every

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: time.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You could.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You need more

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: groups to get.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, you're

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: getting your games exactly you

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: may friends, everyone likes you and

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: then you use that to make the

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: right decisions and then you

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: want.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You could do that every time.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You just shifted to the situation.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I would change.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe the whole concept.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the blue print kind of

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_04]: thing could work, but then adapt

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: certain things.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Playing again would be crazy.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I do not.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Fair play to anyone that's played

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_04]: in twice.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like there is a lot of thought

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: that has to go into it.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Do I change my game?

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Do I keep it the same?

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: The people know me from this.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: The people will people expect this.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It is a big juggle and that really

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_04]: will be interesting.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready to go whenever.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is the most

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: someone has played?

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Syrian?

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So,

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: she's not about.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: She was out there for

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: there's been someone who's been

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: out there six times and one

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: was as a mentor.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Boston Rob has played five times

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: off the top of my head.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, there's a lot in the

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: four, five and you get to a

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: straight.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I've started adding that

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: to the record.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Then we're very much.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, so,

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you've got to watch her seasons

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but yes, she played multiple

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: times US now straightly and then

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: she was on the traders and she

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: was on the ground up.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you start adding to that,

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: if we go on the traders,

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: though, would you play the traders?

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, Australian traders,

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen that they have a few

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: cut air.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So, I've watched all the traders

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: at the UK, the American and the Australian.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So, what I think is,

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: with the Australian,

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the do sometimes or look

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: has been on the Australian one?

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So, I found that really interesting.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I think,

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_04]: why not a British survival in it?

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It fits with the whole

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_04]: fandom of survival Australian,

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the Australian,

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: we've not spread the air.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Get me in.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I do well on the

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: quite similar to massive,

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a game in a way of

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: just kind of getting with the people that

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: are like the everyone's number one

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_04]: type to it.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Just kind of kind of control the game.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It would be good.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I definitely do it.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I love about your game

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: in the deep dive.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You were like, you know,

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah, if you just play

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: flawlessly socially and you

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: can kind of do what you want.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you're deep dive first,

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that you could do that on the traders.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The US traders has at least

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: this survival player every season.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So, like, I watched

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Sharia, I watched Harvittie

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and then Sandra as well.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So,

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So, there's what you know,

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the legends from the traders.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is so funny.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, to be fair, yeah,

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_04]: that's quite embarrassing to be.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I know that the legends

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_04]: are from the traders.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Who I think you'll learn them?

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of love the whole,

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_04]: do not like the eye constates

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: they get from it really.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Like everyone's like, oh my god,

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a Harvittie from survival.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like, she's the black

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: weirdo or something like that.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the black one.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I know what it was going to mean.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I will be watching it.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do like the fact that this kind of

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole survival icon.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I do like that.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully get to play something.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm going to,

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: you can borrow my South African tagline

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: when not if I love the producers that I spoke to on the podcast last year

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and I felt like UK was in such good hand.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So, hopefully it comes back and if it does it,

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: hopefully you get to play some sort of global

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: survival season.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: If that doesn't happen,

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: at least the traders,

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: someone in production that UK traders

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't think of UK freaking loves their traders.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you're going to be on the traders at least.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: No, we'll get that story.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll put it on the front of the crowd.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about,

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: uh, I was going to say a Australian survivor.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's not right.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so by before these seven,

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: US, this is your first US survivor season.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So, how do you feel about it?

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's different.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it started UK slow

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: then you watched Australia in survival,

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: which is a lot in a kind of a different way.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's 24 people to tribes,

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: big themes, people sometimes come back from the dead,

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot going on there.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And then US, New Year,

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: uh, kind of it's own brand of like,

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: frenetic, modern, you know, gameplay.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So, how do you kind of feel about

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: each first two episodes who's standing out to you?

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you got feelings?

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I'm really enjoying it.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, like you were saying,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: it's different.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm watching like UK or Australia,

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: very good.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's what I like.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's good to kind of,

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_04]: it is a bit refreshing for me.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of a new,

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: a survivor fun to be seeing,

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: like VEC, it's different to the Australian one.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So, there are a lot of different,

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_04]: but I think, first of all,

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I love the cast.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they've got a bit of everything.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And do I know Malat and you show people

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that I kind of alike from day one?

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So, Rachel, I'm a B5 Rachel.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she's got a bit of everything really.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I just think she's in the know,

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: she's smart, she's boony,

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: like we'll probably talk about rice cake,

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: let's like, like,

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: a little trickier, I like that.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think she's quite well positioned

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think she'll do well in the game.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But I also like Andy, Rome.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I just think the chaos is there

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and he's entertaining as a viewer,

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: he's entertaining to be on the beach with them.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it will be a bit like,

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: like you need a breather,

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: but no, I'm really enjoying it.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think they're really a bit of everything for now.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But like, crazy dynamic, like random decisions,

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's all really exciting.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about rice cake

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: about how Jeff handled that?

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that got a lot of attention on social media

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: that she tried to steal the rice,

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: which was I thought genius,

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: did you feel like she should have been allowed

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to do that?

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how do you feel about how they handled that?

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think you marooned on the desert island

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and you lost a foliage for food.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: However, you find that food,

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_04]: it's, you can do what you want.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, if you're on the desert island

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and you've seen a playful of rice in the corner,

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: you're not going to leave it.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I am going to take it, so I think it's good initiative.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_04]: She went out of a way,

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_04]: what a handful of rice.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she should have been allowed to take it.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it takes us for new it,

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like let people, I feel like that can be little things like that.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But we had this similar situation.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes you go to like the reward challenge

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and there'd be like bulbs of garlic, maybe hang it off the wall.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like if you need to be food challenge,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: there'd be like extra little bits of like,

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_04]: through and still from,

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I think some people were wanting to take stuff

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: but I think we had the same kind of,

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like the producers weren't happy with that as well.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So it must be across the board in surviving,

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you're not allowed to take anything that's not given to you.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we sort of just recently

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like the defining moments podcast that I did

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: or season of global survival.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it so far without Africa season

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: where like the biggest thing was they kept stealing things.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like from the auction, they took stuff back in their pocket.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So from reward and it's kind of,

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like taking stuff back from the reward

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: is like almost like you're not allowed

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's like an unwritten rule that you kind of can.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And you might take something your pockets

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and like that's been like a feature through the show

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's interesting because it's like,

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: oh you chose to bring me back nothing

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: or like who do you share it with

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and like there's some intrigue that even though you're not technically allowed to do that.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel did say she was a fast-vives I love for guy

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and that was a big homework of that season of survival.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: South Africa so I thought that clearly the synergy was there for her.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this should've been a similar thing.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're not allowed to take anything from a more people do.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know and then it's interesting how they go with it

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: so if I think that's stifling it, you know it cut off some interesting things.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel made an interesting choice.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff's not even interested in anything that they did

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: was going to be interesting because she made the interesting choice

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then it's kind of like you know the show should be like in Prague

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: yes and you know if a player makes an interesting fun

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know inventive decision let's see where it goes.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel might have taken a back maybe that she shared with everyone

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that she shared with just on a country.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know do people hear about it or we had rise

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: in the pre-mode and then now Rachel's a threat.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he threw her under the bus just did.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what you wanted to do.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah but I mean I guess she kind of I guess deserves it if she did something against the rules

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and that I guess is fine if she's going to take that risk but I think more what

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: would have been more interesting is like let the players play.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: She did this sneaky thing like wink wink not like not judge.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what happened there and then maybe she makes some

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: institutions around her maybe plays out and really really fun play for ways like

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't stop something from a production staff when I'd be like yes and what are you

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: going to do with that?

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we got some really interesting fun playful things even just

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: them sitting around eating the rice would have been hilarious to watch.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think that they should have kind of cut off the creative

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: possibilities in someone's making an interesting decision like that.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I completely agree and I think yeah to see where it goes

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: who does she share it with also my answer to it exciting.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Well I call an out publicly she hasn't tried to like

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: easily treat or anything I don't know I just think it's maybe that

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_04]: calling her out publicly has more maybe a negative effect to her game than it will

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: have positive.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah you know what I mean so I think it's a bit to be well for what she's

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_04]: done she doesn't deserve to be called out publicly maybe when they're gone back

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_04]: to count that you see I can be up the right spot please.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I'm not listening but the thing is that she made that decision so

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that was the risk that she took and they are I guess if she's breaking the rules

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: they are within their right to call the route but yeah that's an extreme

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: much worse than losing the rights it's an extreme thing to have to be caught out like

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that because that's all anyone knows about her so now the other tribes are all talking

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and oh that girl who took the rice and that's like her reputation which is

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: again a decision that she made against the rules but also very unfortunate

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and I just think like a worse but I can decision.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd so much rather it slips out that she stole it at a

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: verge and now you had an unfair advantage like you know there's some risk to it

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: a decision to make it's clearly was like a big bold interesting thing to do

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and let's just see how it plays out but I think Jeff kind of like put his foot in the sand

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and the thing is they all had the opportunity to take the rights you know like she just

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: thought to do it that's fun like let's see where we're going.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So that then leads to again she's thinking about the box she's the one.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah like so I think I think the match the challenge match

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_04]: bring a lot of drama to be security is already into episode that we've had breakdowns

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: we've had like calling people out with a rice gear I think it's all going on in there

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: at the challenge match which I think is exciting and people are openly like

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: they're not scared to like you look at like Andy and T.K.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not so people are scared to say it's still people who are all the tribes which for me

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: why would you why would you want to tell other people kind of where you're at what's happening

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_04]: really strictly like putting your like put your losses but you know what I mean

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: well yeah given how it's gone for Andy and T.K. possibly they should have been scared

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's great because we see really interesting match stuff in Australia and so

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I've often been mad as like a big feature Jonathan will ask like very honest questions

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: in the US I find that I've often said like they could be doing more with the match but like

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy and T.K. have really taken it into their own hands you know answer questions

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: though I was asking well where they said or how they feel and that's really put people up

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's been very entertaining and definitely like the post challenge match has been not

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you match but the match has been not you the other match the one they stand on has been like

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you know the 19th man of the season by far like you know two of the most interesting things

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to come out of each episode and yeah I love this episode I thought there was a lot going on

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot to talk about and I'd love to kind of start at Tuku where this decision was made Tiana

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you know she's kind of a swing vote of sorts here at least to take it from possibly a 33

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: in the UK was it rocks if you tied would you have gone to rocks or is that something like

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not that was that was known to me so we got like said like all the rules you know

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean yeah so that was in that yeah that's good so what did you think about her decision

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like obviously she has chosen to go with a three she doesn't know she's not she's like a clear

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: fourth thing if that you know she thinks there's a girl thing and I want to talk about that she

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: goes away from a three that she's genuine the end but where she doesn't like one of the two allies

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: she's made how did you kind of feel about her choice here yeah sort of the start it showed Tiana

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: seeing that she doesn't want to be kind of like the spare thought of that three and

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: now she's been for yeah no she's been for yeah it's kind of it's hard to watch it I do feel

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel for in a way because it was very hard for it to maybe win in that situation where she ended up

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_04]: just kind of being this spare but the fact rocks were mentioned on episode two we've kind of crazy

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like so for what we say in the edit suit really like well if it goes to rocks we'll do it and I'm

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: like hard but then maybe rocks can be sometimes good at the start of again I do not

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe maybe maybe it can be good I think if you're if you're at the bottom you might you might accept rocks

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_04]: but I don't think I don't think suit suit really was and yeah we we've found this decision I think

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: she she didn't want to like Gabe's quite erratic and kind of making all these decisions everyone's

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: aware of that but she doesn't know Gabe's relationship with Sue and Caroline so she's maybe

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: in the dark a little bit with all that but I think ultimately she maybe made the right decision

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and come and back from that decision I think she now she needs to get talking to Caroline and Sue

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and try to and try to get involved with them a bit more well that's my concern is that she's not

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: involved with them and they're not even trying to work with her because they want to like they're

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: jumping on her dislike of TK for their own gaze and not even like no I really like Tiana we want

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: to work with Tiana like I think she's expendable to them so when I look at Tiana's decision it's

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like I have to look at what she thinks is happening and then the reality of the situation and

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the fact that those are so divorced from each other is incredibly concerning for me for Tiana's

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you know approach to the game or where she sits in the game or her position because in her mind

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like you could tell even when she was talking through before travel cows on the confessional it's

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: very much like a physical versus a social decision like socially okay I'll be with the girls

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still top three with the girls we probably have Gabe that I can then bring over as a fourth like

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe we're going to three three with the girls which actually was the opposite of what it was

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but then maybe I can bring Gabe over so there's no threat of rocks or they're bringing Gabe

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: over they're probably said like if you can do it you know we'll bring over Gabe as a fourth

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's kind of been between it she could even use the information you're not even really

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: with the guy she doesn't know she you know it would be bringing Gabe into something he's already

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: in well before her so she's thinking that's like the social thing but then physically we're cutting off

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: TK so in that world like it's unfortunate that she's like doom and Kyle who she connects with really

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: well but she'd be thinking she's trading one hour life so she would leave you know in Caroline it's

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's the choice that she's making so she can make like a really social decision over like

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the physicality of the tribe because they're quite a strong tribe anyway and in that way that

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: makes sense but that's not the decision like she's so far out of understanding the dynamics so

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm critical kind of on the read and then I'm critical on where she's at socially where she's

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: in a tribe of six people where she seems to have just connected with Kyle so she doesn't like TK

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she's not working in tandem with Gabe he hasn't focused on her even the women just she thinks

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: she's with and so in Caroline do not seem to be prioritizing her and I think that a lot would

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: have to change to get her to kind of leap pro Gabe will something to be with them like she's not

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: so in the world of like the real word of the decision she's making as you said she wanted

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: so bad they ought to be a fourth and we know she jumped over to a type three and she doesn't even

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: know that there are type three um I do think you know well we can talk it through but yeah I

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: do think that both options are bad but I don't think this is gonna go to one I think she could

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: be gone next month yeah 100% I feel like watching it there is no good there was no option

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: where she comes out in a good position really like she brought the other way it would have been bad

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: she went she went to TK which to be fair I do think he's the better decision maybe because

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: she said she doesn't like TK but she said she doesn't vibe with TK it's not like they're

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: going to work with him but she said she's willing to work with him which I did like it

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: when she said that means I think that is important in survival to kind of like kick the kind of

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: okay I don't like I don't necessarily like this person I wouldn't connect with him on the outside

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: but I can work with him which I think is good but she didn't work with him so like yeah

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: if he's not helping herself there really well I mean look he interrupted her nap I get it

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: why did the guy leave low so much they're always interrupting my nap so I get it and I was

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: excited to see that after years of sleep shaving which survived it was all the time anyone

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it sleeps as bad anyone who hustles was good at night time never sleep finally it was like TK

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: two unfigivable crimes interrupted the nap unfigivable secondly there was like I wish I could sleep in

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: all day what do you mean you're all on survival I wish I could sleep in all that you would just

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: chatting to Kyle you could have been asleep he sleeps shamed them as well unfigivable so for that

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: he started and as this will help someone who loves sleep I like that monitor even though TK seemed great

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah I don't know I've lost my trainer thought because I got so mad about the sleeping what was it

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: okay yeah but okay so that's the Tiana's decision she's not driving with TK it's like

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: some viewpoint my main thing about the reality of a situation which is a rage he doesn't have so it's

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: hard to say she's made but like third-side view of what she's doing there's one side where she's

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: with TK who she says she'd work with and doesn't really like but like this is the bed you've made

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you're in with Kyle you don't have other allies like that's for three and on the other side she's

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: slipping to being in a four so for me I'd never go to rocks you know episode two you might be shocked

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah Matt they want time they actually did but I wouldn't go to rocks and episode two um so

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you know world where they could pull Caroline over you know even at a three three or like if they

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: felt like they could pull her over like I would do that I just work with TK I have Kyle I'd be in

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the three that would be the best thing to do for the worst case scenario it would be to go to rocks

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: not be able to pull over Caroline you know vote for Sue and then feel like it's a three three

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to flip the Nio like fully on the out of the other group like I think that's a worst case

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: scenario so between like the good thing of like maybe we could pull over Caroline it'd be in the

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: three or the worst thing of the convoluted Caroline now we're gonna rocks when Gabe is the most likely

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: to have an eye to one you could have you know your side has a two to one chance of going in rocks

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that alone you could go um that means the worst so like the safe option in the middle of just like

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: going over to split basically a tie to be the fourth is better than I think than a possible tie but

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that's still very bad you know like those two options are bad and they're like the main thing I'm

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: critical of is that who are her allies like she's been the last five days connecting with just

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: just Kyle it seems and that's why the options are bad because we have no capital to spend

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because you have one social option and that is my make-in zone yeah true and it's kind of the irony

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: that she said that started the episode that she didn't want to be the spare fall to kind of the

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: spare fall to whatever we call the Caroline Sue Gabe Creeper. Yeah but he was worse than that

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because Kyle who's your only alliance is now doomed to be fit or worse they like Kyle so much and

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: even though she's athletic he's so much the provider that you're next and I do think that's a

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: distinct possibility and you are technically now in a week of drive who might lose more

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_04]: than he challenges so like she could be gone and and Gabe like he said Gabe Sue and Caroline

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: will be speaking to Kyle now and they'll be trying to maybe use his vote and still so then yeah

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: the anime maybe puts on the bottom of the drive both like you said three if it was three three

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and it'd be go to rocks that would have been the worst worst case scenario so she's kind of fanned

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_04]: it's still bad it's still bad we're just bought a bucket of rocks it can't be rocked but you said

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: he's happened before rocks has happened a few times but it actually even happened in episode two

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah yeah the insanity is usually in so I was out of Africa but I can point you if you

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_04]: will not the chaos of that just take it like taking complete look into it like it was great

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: episode two yeah yeah I think that's what it is it's like he put us up possibly on the bottom

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of the drive but that's better than going to rocks in episode two and there was a voice like horrendous

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: options like those of both terrible so yeah so that's my my criticism of of Tiana as I said it's

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: very to be the criticize all right next season you know I can criticize other people I feel like

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe as you said Gabe's a bit of a wild guy he's playing bigie play the I don't want himself

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: he extended it to the three travel councils and he used it on himself here will he thought

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_04]: how Gabe is playing so I think we see a lot of we see a lot of content of Gabe with the

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_04]: two-wear idle very rare advantage and he was should I use it get it for one travel council

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_04]: three travel council or should I get it for the full game would he we went through we

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_04]: walked him go through all these stress to then use it in the first you know what I mean like

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: to use himself in the first travel council so it was quite ironic to be on this boat

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I like Gabe I like Gabe I think instantly I liked it when he in episode one when he was like

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to work with Sue and maybe someone older in the tribe I think he knows that Sue

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: might be well liked going into the game and kind of in a good position but he's done the right thing

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that kind of him getting in there early with Sue really kind of helped up all you know

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_04]: travel council and really kind of silly defining him into that and then him being him having the

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_04]: idol shown to Caroline and then again Caroline's true kind of and then getting himself in with Sue I

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_04]: like you know you've got himself in a bit of a pickle with TK when he was pulling the

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: vine down people are like a telling that the words lies ever like he was saying that he's just found

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: to keep before he found the advantage and I was thinking no TK knew that you would lie into him

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I don't know how I think it's okay I'll put on here for it. How frigate are you by keys

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and locks and like trap style boxes. We're in episode two and it's been heavily key and lock

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_04]: bears which obviously for me I even like when I was watching it last night two nights ago the

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: episode I was thinking this is just me like nicknames really love to get all over again like

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the lobster trap then he takes so too and well what Gabe doing? No not Gabe um Andy

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy basically had these lobster trap moment what he that he left the advantage in the tree I'll

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: come back to it now and then he got stole and taken by someone else so I think I know Andy fails with

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: that one but yeah I'm so good at him. He'd yes he with the with the keys. You did go on to win I think

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: if Andy recovers and goes on to win I think he'd be okay so I think you can be okay.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh honestly if Andy goes on to win this entire game I will keep my heart off

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: like I'm here for it. I think it would take to me incredible like huge Andy I put but that

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: would be amazing that would be fantastic TV yeah we'll talk about his decisions but yeah be

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: where that wasn't great but he made an ally who didn't go home so better episode than last week

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: he didn't say anything on the map the whistle so that was a positive um yeah I wanted so in terms of

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe there's a few things I mean Gabe I think Gabe and Sue and Caroline have done very well

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: firstly to have like the three now that's at the top and win the vote and I think that Sue was

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: amazing like Sue Sue really got Tiana in Gabe was Gabe was also pushing like make sure

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: he doesn't know how dynamic and I think Sue did really well with that brought Tiana and I think they

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: can both kind of speak very well to that um you know Caroline was a bit too cagey with Gabe

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: to me at first but I think Gabe was really well abroad Caroline in you know we've seen in the

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: past like you know players like 10 hour you know Emily from from 45 you know just a little bit too

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: say no in penance case or you know a tube blunt and she was she said preseason she'd be blunt

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and she was I don't think you should say to someone's face like when are they yet it's not clicking

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like never say that to anyone. He's kind of like when Caroline said that I need I don't know just

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: like if you don't like someone tell you that you'll love them you know I mean like yeah

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and that confidence and I think luckily it kind of slightly got pulled around from Caroline she

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of come out of it okay but I think just to watch what she said to people's faces at least you

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: know I mean yeah so what were you saying people's face that's a that's a good rule from a survival

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: winner you know people can take the same thing like say anything to maybe behind the back

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_04]: to the faces it's a bit it can be risky yeah you can say what you want to them that you

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: don't have to be honest I like I think it went well because Gabe bought it back he used the

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: idol very well to bring Caroline back I was very impressed by that he could have just been like

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out you know I think that she didn't have control over that going well that was all Gabe

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do credit her relationship with Sue like they seem even closer to each other than the

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: oddy Gabe because they both told each other about the idol information so like the three of them I

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: think are all doing very well socially and I think Gabe used the idol very well to get that

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: alliance which he is the idols now gone but he used it like for Sue and Caroline which I'm

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: very high on I think the thing there's a couple of things that concern you with Gabe other than

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that but I do think that was very good so I thought about the first one first and then we can

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: talk about the idol but yeah but they didn't look really much especially like you know the way he's

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: talking like you know there's baby birds and like if he goes to the end with them like he'll

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: definitely win I'm like why I don't like the way he's looking at that why would Sue not win Sue

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to exilently I think Sue's been up there as the best player of the season so far she's

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: very impressive Caroline could be very impressive like I just don't understand that approach and

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he said he wanted to play like Russell hands which is you know a player I'm sure you'll come

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to learn in the chart that I'm going to give you and like yeah Russell you know he had alliances

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: of women equal like dumb ask girls I'm not putting that on Gabe I'm just saying that he

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: underestimated people and much you know not this foil but often that was a big mistake and so

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if Gabe is you know if he wants to play like Russell is doing that a little bit because

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have allies where it's like I'll just drag them and then beat them like you actually

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: aren't dragging them but they're doing a lot of things he's doing so much yeah I feel like as well

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: you'll start to maybe get a bit more confident as it goes on and then you'll start

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: not watching the situation properly and you'll just be thinking well I've got I'm carrying Sue and Caroline

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_04]: where really like you said he isn't and then when you when you're blind to that it's the

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: industry all game because all of a sudden they'll say see you later to game and I mean I'll show

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that the ones that had them yeah you don't underestimate your allies so I think that's what

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: this image wants to me what did you think about Gabe playing the idol on himself now?

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't think he was going to play it on himself in the when he said yeah I'm going to play it

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and you're going to play it yourself. I didn't actually think he was gonna but maybe he was just kind of

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_04]: what like first tribal council that had been to feel a bit worried with the whole talk about rocks

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and just solidify himself through well yeah I maybe he was going to play it for Sue

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I thought he I mean I would have played it on Sue ourselves but I thought you would and then

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: that kind of would have solidified that relationship board also it maybe good to never

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_04]: because I think that there's the really is kind of a bit under the rear doubt at the minute so

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: are they did just vote together so they were under the radar but now

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_04]: like he's had the impression of any in that point. Yeah maybe but then he also feel like

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: chats with Sue are being very like right mean you Sue it can maybe an unlikely partnership

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's a lot stronger than maybe Kyle and Matt know but like you said the boy together now

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: so we'll have to see our kind of that is it that's a really good point because just because

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you've worked together doesn't mean that they would know that they're like ride or die like I'll

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: plan idol on you because you're like ride or die and vote in the end. Yeah exactly there's levels

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: to that and you could probably like obfuscate how close you are and TK said in the exits he'd never

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: even seen Sue engage tall you know they'd like cemented something while he was out on the journey

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and then like clearly kept that from people which I also think is very impressive so

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: there's something to be said about hiding that but I think for where they were at I still would have

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: played it on Sue like I think he got a big brain these things but then you keep coming back to

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Akham's rays and like just do the simple thing because in terms of like playing it on Sue or

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: himself or not at all I feel like you know getting the heat off himself when he's like the idol

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: church and TK sign up with the key isn't terrible so you're gonna do that I would play it on Sue

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like he's in a really good position of being the mole himself so he knows almost definitely

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: that's who is the target and if Tiana isn't with him then that's gonna protect against a very

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: important like three three like that will be completely crucial you know if so if

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Sue isn't the the target then okay maybe I want to protect myself you know that I think TK was

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: really trying to get him to flush the idol and being like very anti social that way and making

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you really paranoid but like you know you are three are on TK so you know you would at least have a

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: three if they're all wrong if they're all lying to you and they're on you then you probably have a

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: withdrawal at that point you're probably okay you know I think that that seems overly paranoid

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: he knows that it's gonna be Sue almost definitely he knows the kind of player that TK is

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: who's so physical who's so clearly challenged based who's gonna want someone like Sue to go home

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like that's the thing to protect Sue over himself and if you protect him

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: himself it's due to misplaced paranoia where TK got in his head and that was the wrong thing to do

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I also think that there's been talk on Twitter about the idea of like protecting

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: yourself or protecting your side in a rock draw so that he wouldn't have to pull a rock if he's

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: protected and I do think that that is a good thing to do if you don't know who the target is so

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: if it's like we're gonna be three three and they're gonna work for one of us then yeah I would

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: protect myself I might be the target so that solves that and even if I'm not the target

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not thinking a rock and my side is thinking one if you were rock so we're you know a 33%

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: only that it was 50% chance of our side losing but knowing that it was so almost definitely

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Sue then protecting her will protect you from the rock draw because you're gonna win out right

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it's never gonna go to a 333 and to protect yourself from the rock draw means that the

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: target would have to be Caroline again they're lying to you they're saying you vote Sue

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: we're also gonna vote Sue forwarded to but actually they're doing three on Caroline

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: think he'll be like three on Caroline he's one on Sue and maybe like two on TK and like 321

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all very big brain so at the point where to protect yourself from a rock draw that

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: have to be Tiana's first in-alt with you they have to be lying about their target to 321

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you to vote actually Caroline then you have to pick the bad one of three rock

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: none of this is gonna happen you know like so you're protecting you guys like it would do take

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot it would take a lot for her but I've I've been correctly played idle for himself I feel like

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah the situation is never gonna happen really exactly what obviously you know that but like

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_04]: you didn't need to play a little for yourself but there's like a waste but then

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously it was because he maybe won't protect himself both yeah not playing the idle for himself

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_04]: especially because you have to do so much to get the idle it did feel like a little bit of a

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: man to play down himself that's what when you said he was playing down himself I was a bit like

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_04]: you know like yeah you know what I mean just for the game well I think for me as an

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: over thing her I'm like like this could happen like Tiana's not with you and then they could

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: vote for Caroline then you're picking you were like even for me as like an anxious over thing her I'm like

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: all of that stuff is very unlikely like if Gabe went home because he played the idle on Sue

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they actually had changed their vote to Caroline and now he's picking a rock and he picked

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the rock instead of protecting himself like no one would be a grudge game that would be a crazy

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: way to perform on the second drop a thousand on a rock draw because you played that on Sue

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: assuming that she was the target when she almost definitely would be the target you know like

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that stuff is not gonna happen and even like they're more voting for you it's very unlikely

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: whereas the simple thing is they're voting for Sue and then the only thing that's going to

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: go wrong at that point is Tiana's not with you and now you could genuinely be in a 33 where

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah like now Caroline's picking a rock or they pull over Caroline so like you are 100% safe

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: your side is wrong you played the idle on yourself Sue now actually gets three votes you

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: have negated and now you have one of your members going up against who in a rock draw they call

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: over she seemed risked with us so like that's a genuine concern so I think for me

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I would like even that it's good to like you know get the heat off I think first case

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I would do best case scenario play the idle on Sue because I think he was like a genuine risk

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: second even if like again it didn't pan out they got the four votes I still think it's the right move

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: second I would keep the idle and third I would have played it on myself

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think as well you know the threat level I think is a concern and I think you made a great point

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but I also think this looks self-interested there's another way to look at it whereas like play it on Sue

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it's it's threatening but it's threatening because you've really connected like that could be

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a real relationship that goes through the game in a very significant way and if you want to

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: look like you're dragging her like this is what we start but you're already protecting her so

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot to gain like you don't Sue or I'm being like I would probably find with

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: he on I'll do nothing then third like he's so so I'm likely needed it for himself so at that point

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was kind of a waste but that would have been I do feel like it was a waste I love the

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: fact that you're saying about kind of if you want to feel like he's dragging Sue play the idle for Sue

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_04]: that instantly get you a little box like a tick box in that yeah it does feel like a waste of an

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_01]: self yeah I don't know if it made any sense with my I three two one on Caroline and all I put it in a tweet

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't know if the tweet made any sense it's hard in just a short amount of characters but I

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_01]: hope it made sense basically the odds of them turning on Gabe low the odds of them turning on Caroline

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to the point where you need to protect himself in a rock draw low those I'm voting for Sue almost

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: definite you know so you know the target you're lucky enough to be the mole it's actually a perfect

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: position for you to just use it on the target you're aware of as their presumptive force so those are my

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: concerns with Gabe but I do think that he did well somebody didn't do so well as TK who really

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: played himself out of the game the space of one episode you know you mentioned what irony a lot in this

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think it's true to a little bit of very ironic tribe there's a lot going on about people saying

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: something and then it kind of coming up against him in a different way I mean yeah for TK he's been

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: the entire episode talking about like connections and how Gabe was making the right connections and

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: there's just like everyone was so done with him and then he went home where did you see the major

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_04]: mistakes for TK here so yeah I didn't mention irony a lot I think he wants to be the boss the lady

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he got a lot of confidence TK is the room person that you want to win that individual challenge

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_04]: at the start to win the so we went away and won the challenge at your one and that was got his

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_04]: ego right over there you think she's kind of lead on the track because of that and he's got that

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_04]: reader anyway of kind of sports player he was at like his strong his bit so yeah I think maybe

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_04]: you got quite comfortable after winning that challenge maybe thought that position going to

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_04]: be higher in the tribe but yeah I think he thinks he can read people pretty well and he had a full

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: local situation so I think he thought he didn't know about Gabe and Sue and Caroline's sort of

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: into his own he's on for out well I think that's actually it's kind of what it is it's like he was

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to do a lot with very little he didn't have a lot of the information and he didn't have the

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_01]: social relationship so he's trying to do everything like I thought his ex interviews actually made

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it was because he had all these grand plans about like he was also trying to like flush Gabe's

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_01]: idol and it's like very agile social way like really maybe that works actually but like to

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the point where we criticize and playing it on himself but like you know really trying to like put

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the heat on Gabe and have him play it and then he wanted Caroline to vote against Gabe and that

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_01]: was going to drive away between them I'm like you were trying to do a lot with not a lot and you

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: don't have the relationship with these people like to tell Caroline what to do you know you're

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of disrespecting her agency and the fact that she has other relationships that you

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: are involved in is not that everyone's just going to do what you say because you say it especially

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: when you don't have those connections as a basis so I thought like there was a lot of like telling

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: people what to do you kept saying my tribe he definitely wanted to be a leader I don't think he's

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_01]: ran on the map was personal to Tiana I think he was talking about smiling as a concept not like

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the fact that she was smiling but I also think that that that point it was so far gone like it

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: was at that point like confirmation bias for her of all the other things he'd done wrong he had

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: disturbed her now you don't get that net back that's a lot's net forever

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_04]: is and that ultimately ended his game into the i-ville which is mental but no I think

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah good no no sleep to be fair I was even on like my season you are everything come

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: up the little things like when our fire was going out at night when that I got up to try and saw it

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was taking me ages to sort the fire and I was thinking it's night three if people see me

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: not being able to get these fire going again how does that affect my social like well people

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_04]: been good getting out because it is so like sleep and how good you are building fire all that

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_04]: does kind of plane to the whole thing so it is refreshing to see see them want and sleep but I

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_04]: like how they all stuff together there was like oh pretty much everyone in the tribe lying there

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: so nobody can go off chat everyone's there in the beach sleeping together which I like

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you told a lot of you deep dive I think about the very active social work you're doing early on

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to make it to the point where everyone liked you like then then they would eventually work for

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the win and they also were very work well options for you and I think you spoke about the second

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_01]: terms of like what you ate and all of that stuff right you were considering socially when you play

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah absolutely and I thought just before I even went to for the beach I knew that this would be a huge

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_04]: factor especially in the UK we're very lucky we're very polite very kind of we keep it

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_04]: alive we keep everything all just kind of as a as a general thing so I mean you're not I thought

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: going there I don't want to take seconds thirds like there was some people in Kambu were very

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_04]: greedy with the food like in a way of always trying to take the extra spoonful I thought

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here for 35 days yes it's a long time but I'll just go with that little extra 35 days and

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_04]: socially that'll help and I think like I spent a few nights of I spent a few nights having

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_04]: off the bed I didn't have a place in the bed when I moved to Leninner I had one foot on the tree

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I was hanging off I wasn't fully on the bed but I thought let's not complain soon we're

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_04]: going to travel console we'll get rid of someone and I'll get placed in the bed and I think

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: then the little decisions you maybe don't see them as much on on the TV but then a little

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_04]: active choices that you may have can be huge I think going into just kind of open your social status

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: because people you know people don't like like greedy and and it's selfless but I think do it in a

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: second I'll give away my food it was just very discrete very to myself that meant a lot and

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of go on off to the well enough of my own private thoughts to myself if you sometimes

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: you want some people let it out and the snapper people I thought I got to the well see if a 10

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_04]: 15 minutes found myself and just breathe I can go back into Kambu person if you ever feel a little bit

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_04]: aggy so yeah the little decisions were huge I think aggy I love that aggy so that would be like a

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_04]: word I think like you don't have a little bit like sharp and you're not I mean where someone's

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_04]: getting that I'm always aggy yeah so like especially when you're kind of hungry and

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: like people want to use it at that time yes yeah not letting you not can be one so not so I think

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_04]: taking the moment to yourself that's what I say to future like survivors please in little decisions were huge

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: for me so I'll we'll take it so knowledge it like some of the people who've been on to live and see

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: they made any of the same kind of a micro decision for end of boat but we're looking back at that now

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: thinking and the help like him no it's so important I think that that is so

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_01]: important and you look at it like you know you can see why Chica goes in episode two

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_01]: conversely to you winning because there's like an opposite thing where with your game that's why

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you're watching and listen to a deep talk about there's really intentional decisions

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you were making but it's like you build up that social capital you make the relationship and then

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you get through and then you have the you had an investment social which is and you could make

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: the right moves to get to the end and get the boat you know it sounds and I know I go on about it

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: too much probably it sounds simple but it's so hard to do and that's I think essential to being

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: able to play the game that you want where you have a mass tools in the game social tools at

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that point relationships and people who want to work with you where's with fatigue air think it's

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the opposite he came in guns blazing trying to like really control everything you know be

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: juggling even more than we saw what you talked about in the accident if you was going to flash

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that and get well I mean skidding throughout wasn't a future move but you know like

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: lead everything he wants it get everything he wanted he's going to turn people against each other

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: while he's getting out of the target he wants it's a lot and he had none of that social capital

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_01]: he had one person on the tribe much like teana who we really was working with in a positive way

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: which was kind of like you can't make decisions and moves on one social relationship like that

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like it's just you don't you don't have enough social capital yeah true and I think like T.K.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_04]: it was very I just be patient sometimes I feel like saying to be patient in a situation like that

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_04]: it does not have to be all good players in just like take a moment to yourself and think

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: is this the right thing to be doing now why am I trying to control everything and trying to be

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_04]: this like really there of huge figuring income sometimes sit and back can be just as

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: not sit and back but just kind of being in the shadows a bit more and letting especially a

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_04]: episode one and two can be can be huge for you again just like just be patient that's my

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think is certainly wasn't like by you told me as well I feel like sometimes

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: some things are best left not said like don't say a thing don't blow up your game don't

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_04]: like don't blow up your game so it's frustrating to watch sometimes lack and really sit back

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_04]: in kind of not say stop even if I'm thinking it I'm happy to think it but it doesn't always

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: need to be said yeah do you put anything on Kyle because Kyle who might be the bottom of the tribe

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: um you know he was trying to manage it socially he was kind of like the the opposite of

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: of T.K. where he was making these relationships and he did seem very well liked and I don't

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: know that I blame him for anything other than just like he got into bed an unsleepable, loud,

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: no-napping bed with the wrong person in T.K. and that was just too hard to do like I don't think

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: he was anything personal against Kyle if anything like that was probably T.K. on as big a sticky

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: point of turning against T.K. but you put anything on Kyle now for the fact that he was left out

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the voting was blindsided like he's at the bottom or would he was did he just you know again

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_04]: in with the wrong person at the wrong time? I think he just hung an ally in T.K. and it was the wrong

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: wrong decision for him I think it's it's not the person that's going to really be great to go through

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_04]: the game with I think for anyone and sadly it was Kyle which all who knows probably is to

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_04]: lead to Kyle struggling now hopefully it could all be completely back he seems like a nice guy I feel

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_04]: like he he seems like the voice of reason he was like he said trying to reason in the situation

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and and connect a few pieces of puzzle but I think he just got in with T.K. which was not where

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it was down. Yeah Kyle if anything like he might have the first part down in a different world

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: where he's not working with the wrong person but he might get to have the right part about you know

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: just being a good provider and like having good social game but not have I don't know if he could

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: turn that into kind of like the lethal strategic game when he needs to and I feel like the social

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_01]: part was good actually it just was with the yeah wrong person and I like for now I'll be interested

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: for if Kyle can like build a back and be seem like useful maybe to the rest of the tribe and kind

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: of lead for someone like T.K. and then make it to emerge. Yeah definitely if Kyle can go to

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Sue and Caroline now and maybe teach the tool like T.K. and how we can work with them I think

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_04]: there's an option for that I don't think he's all over for Kyle but it'll be interesting to see

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_04]: he will happen to actually so excited I think there's a lot to kind of there's so many options

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that he could go down even the better game you know like if he stays and they win some

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: challenges or she-annig goes before him and then they kind of work out that Gabe is calling them like

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: injured birds and like he's erratic like Kyle could leap frog so because Kyle's like you know

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_01]: he's the sweet guy who probably won't stab you in the back he's a good ally to have he kind of

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so I don't know maybe he has some some runaway but speaking of you know you talked about kind

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: of this like leadership approach and we can go to Goda and talk about Sam especially in kind

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: of what they're doing because Sam has come in wanting to be you know more you came in wanted to be

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like more of a middle type of play like he's obviously like a big leadership type presence like

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_01]: usually like the alpha male like physical presence especially on the tribe that he's on but he

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: hasn't wanted to be that and I feel like I kind of already see that shifting so we had everything

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: with the idol in this episode and you know finding it with everyone what are you how do you feel

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_04]: about our Sam is doing so instantly right away at XL1 I really like some I kind of see

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_04]: in a lot of what he was seeing at the start especially you reminded me of myself you know we all

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_04]: you were seeing how you don't want to be like dispensable you want to be good and good but not

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think that's kind of how I went in there as well you don't want to be the best

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_04]: anything but you want to be good enough to be needed around and that's what I really like about

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_04]: you game as well we're like similar ages 24 and 22 and yeah I see a lot of that but then obviously

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_04]: in episode 2 we got a lot of he started to make his own decisions alike what he was saying about

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole and the situation he would like to babysit Andy and he failed he left Andy when you went to

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Tony which I mean yeah all of us rule of babysitting is like don't leave the baby alone

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_04]: never leave the baby alone because baby might find at the wedding yeah that's really what

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: they told the babysitter yeah very important I read a lot of the babysitter's club and that was a big

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: big deal don't leave the baby alone because the baby might find it be wearing Vonage they talked about

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the idea that they had it was a big thing for me to try to really push it to them but he must

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_04]: look but I really like how I like some thinking because when he ended up finding the advantage himself

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_04]: he was here to see her that he wants you maybe will be playing the idol on Andy but that'll

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_04]: be the decision I kind of like that thinking I kind of like this whole like he knows that Andy's there

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_04]: be used in a way of like he's a well he almost blew up his full game in episode one maybe some

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_04]: people might ingress them at that in a way of oh it's only Andy's dispensable whatever but to use

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy like to play his advantage on Andy to use him I think will be very smart to use it to

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: concentrate on Sam as well mostly pros you know I think that like picking up Andy is good

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know being like okay okay little Emily dynamic that I was hoping like Rachel would do

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: last week I think like he's done that obviously Andy gives Sam the information about the

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: be where advantage so Sam has done that well and I think that that is important so I think that's

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_01]: really good and I think that thinking about keeping Andy like he doesn't want to go to at worst

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the girls versus him or even a best or two pairs you know isn't amazing so thinking ahead to

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like using and keeping Andy for that has to be a good thing he does he did very well with collaborating

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of finding the idol I know he was kind of forced into it because he found with Anika and then

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like kind of had to follow that through one like telling all the allies but he said maybe it would have

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_01]: been different we'll never know the way that it was forced you know it was the way that I wanted

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: people to use the bewared bondages do it as like a team kind of game use it to kind of

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_01]: affirm an alliance so I thought that that was good my biggest complaint and I'd love to hear

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_01]: your opinion on this but I wouldn't have taken the one tribal idol um I don't think he makes sense

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: other than possibly just getting the heat off him which is interesting um and does speak to the

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of more middle approach that he wanted but isn't how he verbalized that he's like I'll save Andy

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's saying that to Sierra like if he and Sierra and Andy want to save Andy like they're

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to play an idol it'll just vote like that's three of five you know so that's the majority so he won't

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_01]: need the idol um even if somehow Andy wanted to work against him or Sierra which he wouldn't because

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you know he's scooped up Andy but I guess with Andy's a wild card even so there's going to be two

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_01]: votes on Andy you're going to do say two votes on Anika and then Andy even votes for Sam like on

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the revoit between Andy and Anika like your two will win two to one like they have the numbers

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: he's saying it to Sierra like and he has Andy like that's most of the tribe so he doesn't

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_01]: need the idol I like the the thing that concerned me the most is how he's like you have to make big

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: moves I'm like woozy I don't like that because the whole time he's been like I'm going to be like

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Michelle Fitzgerald I'm going to be what I'm going to subvert your expectations like I'm the big

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_01]: leadership type guy you expect me to be like a TKO or a game and really come in guns blaming

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_01]: placing or a Romeo and like be too much but actually what I want to do is like be collaborative

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and be social and not be the guy out of front and I've really liked all of that I didn't like

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: how it was like no actually I'm going to take the idol and then use it on the first tribal

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: council where I don't even need it to make big moves because in this game you have to make big

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: moves and I was like I feel like that is kind of like the you know opposite. It's hard to

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_01]: do what you think. Yeah I didn't like that that was my biggest concern. Yeah well are you

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: taking the one or. So I think yeah the new busy founded with Anika as well after there is a chance to

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not as if he's rushing around by himself trying to kind of sort it I think

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_04]: you could use Anika and maybe got a like three tribal councils maybe a handful the whole

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_04]: idol like which I think would have been smart but I had it in my notes as well. I had

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: it was good that Sam says about using the idol and Andy but bad bit he said it to

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Anika. He said he said yeah keep it up to yourself you've got like you said

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_04]: you've already got that would that would have been the three there. If you were going to do that

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: do that in a way where it's just you know and about it so you know what I mean like if

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you people are going to use that on Andy use it well and use it powerful to our

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Andy you don't need to try and create some sort of fun material when you've already got the numbers.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_01]: What I think that like I was listening to the notals a little bit before this and Mary Ann was saying

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like you know you take the one the one tribal idol because he found with everyone and now that

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: will reduce the threat level and that is the one reason you might do that but I do think that

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you know he's as you're saying like he's working with everyone like last week I said like tell

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: people user to make allies he's been forced into that situation and now he can run around the beach

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because the majority of the tribe know that he's doing it he wouldn't even have to say like I've

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: made this choice they could just say I have even more things I need to do it's the most difficult

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: idol to gain in lengths of I've even been really hard so I'm still just doing that he can do that

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: with so much runaway because he's been open about it because he's in that situation and get like a

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: full idol that their group if they don't you know if they if they don't win it if they don't lose

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: as many challenges maybe they lose one right towards the end maybe they cut Andy think we're going

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to go in you know as a four because I think what it matters like how many they win like he's

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: having this conversation seemingly before another challenge if they think if they lose again

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: then it is important to think okay we'll keep Andy because we're going to keep losing

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: challenges if we're the tribe that's going to lose a lot of challenges then we'll keep Andy

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: because then we have you know like I think it matters like how you're going forward of whether

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you're winning so as an example if you're the tribe that's going to be winning a lot of

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: challenges then you can think to maybe cut Andy at a point and go in with a really strong

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: four possibly united by an idol into emerge and that's really really powerful if you're the

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: more important than having a strong four for the merge you have to know you're going to be safe if

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you lose a lot of challenges so that point you might pivot if you've lost like say second challenge

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and you might like cut on a car and then you know you can cut Rachel and you know you can

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: cut Andy and you know that you would see her are fine even if you lose multiple challenges

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think about it matters when you go back to tribe of council so I do think that just having

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the idol for a long term for his group could end up being good if you're going to win

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: challenges you could go on that yeah I also think that if you're going to like I think that

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: one of his concerns might have been if this was before the challenge which is when we saw it

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and I know it could be out of order but he could be concerned okay what if I try to take

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: another you know the three tribe idol and try extend it and then I don't yet the idol in time

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're going to tribal council tonight and we've lost a challenge and then I don't have my vote

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but then you still to be fair can cut Andy because at that point you don't have the numbers

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and Andy is disposable even though there would be an unfortunate you can still cut Andy

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and then move forward with your four and if you go back to tribal council you're in a two two

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: where at that point hopefully you found the idol so you have that extra leverage extra protection

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and if you don't get back to tribal council hopefully you'll fall can work through with this idol

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: so I feel like he had the run way to extend the idol further and if he'd lost his vote

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: he could have part of with Andy and if he gets his vote back then he could work you know with Andy

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: going forward and you can see when they're going to tribal council and he'd have like a ton of

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: options either in the group or with Andy or not and like in the hierarchy that he wants to create

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: from self based on how much how die of the tribal situation seems to be if any of that made sense so

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: basically my point is I didn't get the point of doing it on the one tribal idol I saw a lot of benefit

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to extending it and I feel like the only benefit to keeping the one tribal one is that you look

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_04]: less threatening which maybe is good yeah the less certain and yeah there was definitely time

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and they had the resources on time to get before I go potentially which I think would have

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe worked out better but like you said less than the threat he just wanted he said that

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the start again he doesn't want to kind of bring up the truth yeah so so it should be fair

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: like he didn't know this was going to be a one tribal idol like he thought he was going to have

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: a whole idol for the whole game you know and he'd made that decision and was okay with it

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean she took the way in front of anacard thinking it would be a full idol anyway so

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't even made that decision I think you might as well follow that towards natural decision at that point

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: no true yeah so yeah so we already thought that you was going to have a full idol

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: this is the first time they've ever been like choose if you want one or three or the whole thing

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_04]: see the difference in conversation I do like that side of things I think it leads to

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: you can lead to someone getting themselves in a massive mess it like I like it I like the kind

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_04]: of options of what it is but I think maybe the best kind of situation of it all would have been

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: doing when Andy found it initially imagine he'd got it and was like right some and he needs to

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: make these connections he doesn't really have anyone at the minute some I found this here you go

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: do you want this and if he maybe gave it to some that would have maybe for some sort of connection some

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of at the end of the episode we're saying he trusts Andy a bit more now

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and I just think I think some maybe something to be worked for I feel like some can be

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: swayed in a way of he's on he plays on vides in a way like Andy was talking to him he said he

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: true same and then he does it there's a lot of some can be worked with nothing Andy could

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: have given maybe the advantage in that would have like someone like that well I think yeah firstly

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like that they're doing the decision that gets very hard to get the idol this has been

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: a very difficult they change it up usually this season of what to do and this has been hard like

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that because I think it's really less than the power of the idol which again Sam had the

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: should have done it but I do appreciate them giving the decision because they've all been

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting decisions and decision making is fun on survivor and it's less than the power of the

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: idol just apparently said on the on fire podcast that he doesn't like that they're taking

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the one episode one and that he wouldn't do it again I'm like no this is fun and great like

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: this is maybe more about like the decisions around it rather than like the actual power for

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Trinket and I'm really enjoying that but yeah I feel like for Andy like Andy has to take the

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: very advantage last week I said like always do the social thing of the majority but the caveat

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: which it was for I thought John last week quite thought you'd have played a show on the dog is

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: unless like your two-fog on and Andy I feel like I feel like he should have taken it found it kept

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it and maybe I like told Sam brought Sam in socially but I think he needed it for himself like

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's so far on the bottom that talking about him Sam's maybe bringing him in but Sierra

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: is not loving that everyone wants him to be expendable like his game is like in Tatters he's building

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it back but like yeah you need that protection and honestly exactly like he has nothing to

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: release he's voted is unimportant in terms of risking his vote hit the perception of him is

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: already ruined so couldn't be much worse if anything he went out and Sam saw that he was gone

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and he contributed to a negative perception without gaining from it because he didn't actually take

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: the advantage so I thought that this was not right for Andy he went back but he obviously immediately

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: realized like nah I should take it but little one so that was it yeah well I think when I kind of left

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: the lobster trap open my my game and I'm and these were obviously very different my kind of social

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: situation was I don't want to be seeing me that box because I was quite I was quite highly

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: regarded and calm but then Andy when you've got nothing to lose take it yeah exactly Andy should

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: work to work he does it does my everyone's watching him by the way just Andy go and get

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: a box get the idol save yourself it buys his time and you need the idol yeah as well if he

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: finds an idol they are for so they don't have anyone to split on so even like we'll talk about like

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome like with Roman feels like they could split on Genie V like the four the core four that they

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: have could remain intact and so kind of split on Roman Genie V and then get Rome next time once

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll expire it or if they question I don't if it wasn't a one tribal idol whereas if Andy has an

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: idol that four has to crack like they have to choose another target if Andy is you know if he

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: secure even if he bluffs that he's gonna play it and then doesn't like they can't split on him so

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yet he would form like a major fracture and would be very good people and people would then start

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: going to Andy say who should we get out of like where is your vote going and I'm the oldest

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: person because really valuable for the tribe and then maybe that changes it the next week someone

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: else goes and then Andy maybe has a bit of social status and got that but that's Andy's

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: that's Andy's new arc that's his new yeah but that would have been his kind of

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: overcome in that first episode madness yeah and is a great long term to like you know have

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: him out down on the mat and then be the guy like really publicly finding your be wear advantage no

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: but you can't think about the long term when you're just grateful to see today and tomorrow

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and so he really needed to be wear advantage but I did appreciate that like he gave it information

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: to Sam and it worked in that they're making like possibly quite a crucial connection I think

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that's really good for both of them and I also wanted to credit Gata Gata Gata Gata

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata I think I don't know

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: that's right I think it's Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata Gata

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: attention but basically Gata I feel like I criticize him last week because I felt like they

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: made a physical decision to take out genre of Andy and I didn't agree with that but

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm not saying I agree with it now but I want to credit Andy for like not being such a

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: disaster to the point where they do win the challenge and to the rest of the tribes were like you

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: know coddling Andy and making him feel better you know even the fact that they made him

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: comfortable enough that he did leave the Beware advantage for a few hours if he felt the way

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: he had the day before but he was like panicking and saying no one liked him like he definitely

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: would have taken it and that would have been right he went actually too far the other way

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but like they made him feel a little more secure um they did win the challenge he did well on

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that they did well like I'm making good on that kind of physical decision I thought the coconut

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: staff was them sharing him opening the coconut like with so many it was so funny like even in

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the challenge like he's um stabbing the bag they yelled out like stabbing like you stabbed the coconut

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever it was like it was it was so funny but it was quite scary watching with that night

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_04]: his hand was literally like stabbing his hand like he I'm surprised it moves a finger doing that

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: but he was meeting a business with that with that bag of rage he was he was not stopping

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and they were cheering for it and I loved it I wanted to say as well that there's been discourse

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm interested in your take where like people are criticizing it's a delicate topic it's an

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting topic because it's like real world but like the idea that like ad he needs to be

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: coddled and like the emotional thing right now that often gets put on women Rachel last week

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: on a cut this week talked about how he's like a toxic clingy boyfriend and you know that's not

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: fair but it's also so I have it how do you feel kind of about the idea of like how much energy

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: they're putting into coddling energy just to get him to like a kind of normal emotional response at this point

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I think it's a really tough one because obviously Andy is a person he's kind of

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_04]: he needs he thrives on like attention and feeling wanted and that's obviously that's

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: that's how we ease and then you could look at that with though obviously they go through a lot of

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: side tests to get on to vibrancy stuff like that and on the beach but nothing can prepare you for

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: being on that beach I think being in that situation I think he's a huge super fan as well

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_04]: of the show and he'll be there he wants to do this he wants to do that he's stressed about

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: these he wants it to be the perfect game for himself I think he told I do feel for him and I think

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: you just want this is like this is his dream and I get it even on not super fact like I wasn't

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: super for myself and get how much it means to a super fan to be there and maybe it is really

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: overwhelming for him but I think like if you look at how on your character to Andy you can tell

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: she doesn't she doesn't you know like like in that word she's she's a bit dumb with it she's

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: everything she says with the stern face she's like like a cleanly boyfriend she's not by any

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: but they know that after the half the give this to Andy in the moment to keep him to keep him

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_04]: positive and to stopping from going up like off the rails in the game yeah I mean that's I feel

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: like that's a viable and like I honestly like for me like kind of the discourse around like

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the emotional layer but you have to do to like cuddle people or like emotionally support people

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm on the side of coddling like as someone who needs to be coddled and also is the codler

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like I'm pro emotional support I don't think I love the idea of and I know that it's gender

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's not super black and white and women often give a lot to like maybe helping men or like

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: in general like women are kind of put in that role of like caretakers okay give is

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to give this emotional support and often that can be one sided or unfair or too much in a

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: emotional labor component and I'm not just missing that but I think for me like I love giving

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: emotional support and I love receiving emotional support she was talking about Andy's words

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: of affirmation I freaking love words of affirmation so you know I get that and I can see myself in the

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy wrong I can also say myself on the role of the rest of the tribe and I think both

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: have merit like in life the kind of therapy speaker around like I don't have the band with

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to put up the boundary that I can't right now I don't vibe with that anyway in life like

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that we should emotionally support people radically and we should see emotional support

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: radically like I think that's so important you know where I get like I know that it's gender

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's difficult but I think yeah where you can we should radically emotionally support

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: each other and I think that that's true in life and I think that it's also very essential in survival

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah that's an important thing to do on survival like so especially when you're taking it to the

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: game being like very emotionally supportive which is a choice you can make because someone like

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: ratios having the decision again around how public it is about how threatening it is about how

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that looks at other people and I think that's essential too but I think like yeah it's good

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: socially to emotionally support people and we should do it in life and like yeah it can have like

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: merit to the game and it's like a good social decision in a social game so I'm like I'm probably

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe that's a hot tape in the same age but you know coddle it for life for me

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I think I don't know I'm kind of on the fence with it all I just think

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: it's refreshing to see and it is it's real life isn't it? And it's nice to see the real

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_04]: life side of the game but I think what I'm the ones is it is it's a lot for survival like

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Rachel is kind of speaking well on it and how maybe is a big public and you don't want to

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: drag some people into it but I think Rachel is a great confectional where she was like

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_04]: we still want Andy to be the easy boot which is all one into and I thought that would really

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: at like she sees everyone like chair and fat Andy and stuff like that now and she's like yeah

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: but we still want into for the easy boot like and their managing the situation well in that sense

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_04]: the given image affirmation and the making it and I think like even when I watch Titan's

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: variables we say Scotty, E. E. E. E. Left and I think sort of kind of my two experiences I've seen

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen this this firsthand and yeah I think they're looking after him and if that means

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: he stays in the game and if that keeps him keeps him okay and he's head above the water

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I love to see it because people will be first criticised if he quits and if he left so the

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: fact is kind of vocalising his feelings is refreshing to say especially from like a man in

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: in this in this dinner I think it's brilliant it's refreshing yeah I think that's important as

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: well when we talk about like men being vulnerable and then again like if you get to put on women

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that can be unfair but it's like yes men should be vulnerable like we should support all people

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: in their vulnerabilities and while that might be again emotionally taxing I think it's very important

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: in life so I tend towards that anyway and I think it's really important in the game and if you look at

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like Sam now you know by supporting Andy like itself serving like he's going to gain from that

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: he has gained options you can move forward with Andy and Sierra can move forward with the girls

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and for they go it's good for the tribe. The options surrounding. Yeah so like

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're on Twitter. It's good to support people but I get to the top and I get that like

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I understand why there was just quarter-on and especially around Rachel because it again became and

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it's been kind of like you know a theme in you know even like last season with like Vonew and

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: like putting it a lot on Kenzie and stuff and like you're just trying to play your game too your

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: tie you're trying to make friends and now you're in like the toddler role and that is hard

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's public and you're thinking about like the ramifications because everything in survival can be

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: two different types of ways and now you've kind of been put in that position and it is

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: taxing let alone like the exhaustion that you feel yourself but then like it also can be an

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: opportunity and like important from a real world perspective and like you know I think like

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: good from the game perspective like I'm sure that you had that with you know players like Leilani

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: who was you know really connected I think on that frequency kind of thing and then you know your

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: relationship with her became very important towards the end did you feel like there was like an

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: moment of that in the way that they also related your words with her even if like the gender's

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_04]: reverse from kind of this discourse yeah absolutely and I knew going to the game to be people who

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I always kind of had my little mantra I want to be the comfort blanket for people in there

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_04]: because when you really uncomfortable on the beach you never gonna get rid of the comfort blanket

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and I just think like people like even like Rachel or G in Calaton Rachel I connect you really well

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: like that kind of it was like the motherly son relationship and with Leilani we connected like that

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: but like I was I was actively knowing that these relationships would help me let everyone in the

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: game so obviously we have to get rid of Rachel but like Leilani we talk about to the end

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and because Leilani voted a lot on kind of loyalty and wasn't really playing as hard

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_04]: like she would never put my name down a little bit of effort and I kind of knew that

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been really well as made in this school connection and I knew that you would go for my game

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: which it could be it could be used for an advantage I think like some's use and makes is an

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: opportunity we and I think some's doing it well to screen me a note to not be I understand my

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Rachel isn't happy about this it wasn't happy about the situation because she wasn't

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_04]: actively getting involved she was kind of been dragged into it in a way where as some kind of

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_04]: people are looking at it I think I could use this to my advantage yeah with Andy yeah I

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: think that's fair like I think it's fair to look at it like your game kind of being like such into

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: someone else's like drama and that's not what you envision for your game and like I'm not saying

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not difficult and that they were things to consider for Rachel like I said last week that

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you know see her had said like oh Andy and Jonathan also like you're going off with Andy

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: is something people will clock I just think that if you can look at it like an opportunity

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and knowing that it's good to support people from a real world perspective even acknowledging

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that it's difficult and like somewhat tax very taxing on you yourself like I think they could

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: be like wins across the board when it's like Andy feels better and you can use Andy

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and the tribe gets a better Andy and now we're all you know that's good everyone can get a piece of

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_04]: a take up with you like you know like it's like sounds happy and the Andy's happy like everyone's

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: right but we'll see how that goes I think it'll be that that that that dynamic really

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting really really yeah I'll make it say where that one goes I think Andy's long for the game

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm rooting I'm happy to work with him they're not even like there's no real disaster tribe

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that season often there's like one tribe that like loses and loses it doesn't seem like that's

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the vibe at all this season so yeah Andy pencil them in for you know possibly losing you know

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to travel council violence like if I'm on it yeah like still that'll be great go Andy

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: think yeah no definitely I'm rooting for him but I think it is really disappointing that you

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of destroyed your game in the first episode because it's clearly sort of massive fun

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: in rules the game you want to be involved it's chaotic I think if you just didn't blow up on the

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: mar in that first challenge you could you could have a chance because he's get involved he's in that you

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: know yeah well that's the story of the final travel council I hate to get ahead of myself but that's what

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: it's done cool oh the standies yes yeah that's who we are 100% 100% well you also mentioned

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that you really like room I'd like to talk about love oh yeah what I don't know how he's proud

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: name but not that hard I don't know why I'm really finding it so difficult but yeah love oh so much

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: room stuff going on um I saw a sort of tweet that I really enjoyed that was like my worst fear is

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: going on survivor and then making a montage of like my most oblivious moments because this was like

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: the romance that was so brutal exceptional television but like just clocky everything he did

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: in that two minutes like he said he was like the best rapper and then he wrapped it then he failed

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: to rapping the moonwalking the why was he making a doll up internet but you know what doll up

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: internet is or you two young people doll up internet I don't actually know where to these but I got

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_04]: the vibe of what he was doing like the impression I got the vibe but I don't know what dial up internet

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: were you born into life it's so tragic for not for you for me I think so I was born in 2002

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I know don't say it don't say that loud it's fine you know I'm so proud of you Matt you're

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like my son but I am I am I am I am I am no but also boy they need to say okay so I don't know

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: if you know this but at the final four of new era or modern US fiber they don't vote they make fire

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_04]: yes so I see not on did I see it on ready I see it somewhere I see it so I knew that yeah so the

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: fact of romance like I made fire every day and I can do fire in 16 seconds you're like oh that's

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: terrible then they believe you need the final four but then he failed to have a making fire that I was

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: like maybe this will work out terrible for the montage though what are you so yeah how you feel about

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I love you I'm kind of here yeah exceptionally the love watching him would I like to be on a

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: tribe with him probably not but I love watching him from my bedroom I think it's good but I think

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I love the fact that he thinks he's playing his perfect social game where he thinks he's

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: just not fun like Rome said that you know like he thinks he's playing his perfect social game

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: he's there but everyone's kind of clocky but I love how he found me I was like that's it I'm

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_04]: safe I'm not really the first person to leave out of this tribe and book at least take and I'm like

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here for that but again we could see where it goes I love the dancing the singing the dilapidant

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_04]: there they didn't seem to be an attention in for sure no there's what again I wouldn't be

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: on the beach it would be a lot but from home it's like teeny in the confessional it's like

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just really hard when you're at hit 24 seven and then it would cut to Rome doing

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the most like inexplicably annoying thing it's like you could just really feel it when

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you're at hit 24 seven and he was just like yelling in their faces like incredible incredible

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: montage so interesting that so he goes to teeny with the idol information so firstly of

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that I was like wow you know I credit a teeny social game last week and the fact that Rome is

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: teeny's number five of five options I was gonna say six to six five of five options

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and teeny to him is number one he doesn't even go to genuinely to teeny to credit teeny to

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah like in the scene from last week you know Genevieve's asking Rome and Rome's like no but

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: he goes to teeny so I thought that was incredible and then it kind of falls a bit off the cliff

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: which you're about to do in like an hour right so but yeah what do you think about this really

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: where where he goes to teeny and then teeny and kishan I caught with their hand and like the literal kugiji

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: uh there's whole thing it was it was crazy yeah I feel like it would have been perfect like you said

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the fact that teeny's Rome's number one credit to teeny's game it's just horrendous that they got

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: caught out in the act kind of for teeny's game but I really like teeny I think incredible

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: credit there but that wasn't the best moment no it was just very sloppy like it wasn't you know

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it was it was kind of like the the lobster trap I'm not gonna bring it back but it was just it was just

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like a little sloppy like it wasn't like I think that they just got excited and wanted to see it with

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: kishan which is was unnecessary because they could have gone back with Rome and just been like can we see

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: in the daylight you know and they clearly like not having a good look out having Rome be accessible

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: like my soul less my body as Rome walked up on them it could not have been a worse situation

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: so that was just sloppy but like socially you know teeny clearly had it going on and this was an

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: uniforption way to lose that I will say that um I thought it was a really good job by Rome in the way

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that he handled it like he immediately takes the one tribal idol which now he's clearly gonna need

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: he'd smart enough to know that this is a bad situation with teeny yeah

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't have as much trust that he needs a protection he has it you know is it normal can

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: even talk about voting about like he's safe for one tribal council in lessons his threat level like

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: even if he had known that teeny had given that information and he wasn't even standing there with

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: teeny and kishan like I think you should take the one tribal idol at that point because the

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: information's been disseminated he needs a protection and to lesson the threat level but especially

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: standing there with them he had to take it and I thought that was really good and I didn't like the

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that he you know like the like even being like bucket list tick literally to like try to take

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the pressure on like I'm not necessarily like his scary sketchy idol so I'm just like trying

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: to take the bucket list I thought all of that was good I even thought like the instinct to go

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: to use it socially to go to teeny was right I love that too but my like the issue was that he's made

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: such poor social relationship to this point that teeny's not vibing with Rome so it's like the issue

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: started early and like couldn't be covered but it was still good to try use socially and then I thought

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: he covered well but he's just so out based on the way that people are perceiving him just in general

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah he saw with that and it is really that amazing but he's good that he read the tin

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_04]: that he knows now that he captures teeny as much as he thought he could so he's not completely like

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: he knows like he knows he made maybe a wrong decision doing that but like he said he's got it

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: for one tribal council he's safe he knows that and again he's just like the kind of it

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: you could be yeah by the time yeah and the fact of you know yeah yeah but it's like the

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_04]: anti situation in a way of if you can do you've got that advantage then under and Rome above in

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: similar situations both use on themselves keeps them say someone else goes home and then

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: all of a sudden it's emerge and then the dynamic change completely so yeah they're often merged

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: at 13 so there's two other tribes I could go to tribal council especially like they

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: have him volunteer tribal council they might keep winning if you go to one tribal council you're safe

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: now you've merged like you're just one initiative that one can be quite essential so

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's not done gen of Eve's game is done like he achieves the one who was left up because he

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: is immune so she's out but he he has you know he has some time let yeah he just he'll get through

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that one tribal council and then he could be home through to the merge and you're gonna see

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: there's all of these hijinks that happen there there's migratory and there's a double tribal council

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they were the two cities I don't know nine yeah it's me good that I'm getting to

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: witness all this for the first time I feel like yes I feel like somebody's on my tip you haven't

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: watched enough to survive but I think there's some TV shows and things that I look at I love

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_04]: to experience in the first time again so I'm happy that I'm experiencing the fight I'm learning

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: we have a lot to watch I'm gonna give you the child yeah I'm never gonna run out of TV

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: watch how many so forty seven seasons I've got to watch yeah well forty then you go to

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Australia you've got eight of Australia season two you haven't watched some of them you could skip

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have to up don't watch all forty seven Jeff even said this week you should watch

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: all of the seasons yeah I see something about that on prayer yeah somebody like something

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's there's there actually wants it a whole podcast on that but a lot of people would

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: disagree they'd say go from the beginning watch them all I say I watched the good ones and I have a

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: wish I think of good and then you can watch those ones so that would be really yeah funny

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: well you tell me we want to watch and we can do little check-ins and I'll watch I'll watch the season

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'll come back to you at the end and now I'll start my own little chat and then new players

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: who haven't seen them I can start even there you'll use your my chat you'll make a new chat

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: what about my chat I can run my my and then we'll bring the chats together and talk talk chat

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: well we already got the perfect chat man you want to be fair Shannon you know once I've

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: got that your chat is perfect I've never seen a time that chat goes on Twitter someone

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: criticizes it's what you don't want to recommend seasons everyone's gonna take it

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: it all takes a different to the point now if someone tweets to me ask for the chat I would

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_01]: DM them I'll not be wrong to it doesn't say it's full for me the people will then be like

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: what about this season what I'm like yeah my take the different yours all opinions are different

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it's quite actually subjective in saying that my chat is perfect I will give you the chat and then

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you'll have the perfect what's so yeah I'm excited but I think I'm here for this moment right

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: think about it get some urge what about the Gabe wrong and Andy Alliance that will be

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: ruthless chaotic and exciting that's what I'm here for the universal implode I think I think there

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: be chaos it'll be exciting to be breakdowns but I'll be here for you I think it'd be fun to

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: watch good TV I'd break down yeah should we give chilly points before you have to jump off a mountain

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah absolutely when you have to jump off the mountain so look at how much I'm not the

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: 45 minutes we set it off we set it off so what happens I'm crazy first I'm you'll see all on on

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: top eventually I'm going to be walking on Europe's longest wire bridge and it's between two

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_04]: mountains it's crazy so it's a big flat line and then these two guys who like all this late

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: line they built like a bungee off the flat line so I'm doing that so hopefully I'll be still alive

[01:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to come in a little podcast one there after that that's crazy

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: from so I thought I forgot who was often my guess he also because he he does skydiving as like a

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: sport like he's an instructor so often he does the podcast and then he goes and skydives and I just

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: think of my day you know like it just wasn't the same day as you did well do you know so I went skydiving

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: in at the end of January so since we last got a big skydiving for the first time and do you know

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: actually reach out to me on Instagram yeah yeah so we chat about it a few times and he's like

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: got his license so he can skydive a lord so we must have to move that that's the next step for me

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: to learn that I think skydive a lawn is just a different animal I think that would be a lawn but

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll do it yeah we need me you and Dino we need to get on a podcast and we can chat off

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: things survive or all things adrenaline yeah that's me I will I could jump out of the plane I

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: think with someone else but a lune that's too much no I feel you have to be something else to

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm never gonna ever jump out of a plane with anyone it's a best thing I know you feel free

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_04]: no I feel free now on the ground with my cat I don't know I'm like I'll be terrified I'll be

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: screaming just text me and tell me you're okay I will yeah yeah if you always I'm actually said

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm back on the ground hopefully yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no like if God for me something happened

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: God for me this would it would make this podcast really depressing I actually want to look back

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: when I don't even think I could release it so no it's yeah I'll give you can I give you full

[01:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: permission to please release all capacity anything does happen don't even say that don't you

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: sorry why are we even doing this it's gonna be so good people find you jump out all the time

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah just text me that you're okay okay let's do the cheesy yeah two three

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: oh see the read okay I have to press play and then it's on a loop and that's why the ones

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of stops within sarsic anyway um I'm kind of like I don't really know like I

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of still into mine for my cheesy points you're in a time I would you have to jump off a mountain

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: do you want to give you us first what should I go first? No you go first okay well I'm definitely

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: giving three to Sue because I feel like she got two really important allies um she got to

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: run across she's withholding on his head like he could have been the first boot just from like a

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: physical standpoint and she's like if anything like running the tribe like far in a way Sue

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but then I like I don't know like I'm still torn I got want to give two points and one point

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: in some order to gave and Sam like for Gabe like I feel like I should give him two points and

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what I came into do because I feel like he's wanted sort of push Tiana he brought in

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Caroline well I just agree with the idol play but I feel like it is fine and it still worked out

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: like he did them important thing of having the numbers so it doesn't really matter but like

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: it's was the way that he's like looking at Sue and Caroline that might make me like docker point

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and then for Sam like Sam didn't go to tribal council I really like what Sam is doing like

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: any connection or the idol stuff like with the collaboration but I didn't like the way he was

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about it in terms of taking it from one tribal council and like the big move discourse

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'll give the two to Gabe and because he went to tribal council and like he

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: they won the day and I'll give one to Sam and I'll give an honorable mention to Caroline who's

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: in power I thought that Gabe in traction wasn't great it was two blind but um yeah she's in power

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah I think I'll do that but like Gabe like there's so many person cons that I feel like

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: he could have gone either way but I will give two now and possibly regret it in the future

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah no yeah you could look at both ways with Gabe but the decision to could have made

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_04]: or what he did make and what he's thinking but yeah nothing that's pretty pretty

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: you're gonna give so carry my three points to Sam okay well then I'm glad I get Sam one

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: because that seems like a lot of points to Sam but like yeah no it's good you do it

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: yes when you're my three points to Sam I think is aware of what's happening he's not right in

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_04]: anything often always you can use and these as like a like to is a vantage in the game

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_04]: which I think is really smart I like how it's going about things even when you found the

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_04]: he went around telling everyone he knew he would have to tell people before they found out of

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_04]: someone else so yeah I just think he's in a good place and he's got options as well like

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_04]: but I didn't see the preview to the next episode um him getting called out about

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: date in Sierra ever's that thing that I then too yeah I'm pretty sure that Sam is like engaged

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah so who knows about that we'll be entertained next way but yeah and then you're doing points to

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_04]: two points I'm gonna go to Sue I think Sue really has she's impressed me even in episode one

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I love like I really like Sue I think she can go all the way in the game and I like the fact that

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Gabe kind of looked after her talker like the start notice that she'd be good to work with because

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I think sometimes people can be real and I think Sue is gonna she's got a good there's a good story

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: story in the game and the fact she survived like you said she could have easily been first

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_04]: throughout that trend she's not which is good so hopefully that'll lead now on to a good

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: good cause and she's away she's in the knowledge is in the majority yeah two points for Sue

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I'm gonna go is this a hot take one point Andy

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: okay my god right and all these might be hot

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah one point Andy obviously for all the standies out there but I think as well the fact that he

[01:36:27] [SPEAKER_04]: blew up his game kind of so much episode what I can see anyway out of it he's now come to this episode two

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: is Sam is like considering to work with him maybe this is just credit in Sam and Andy

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: but they've got this thing where they kind of trust each other oh he didn't get it's a big

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: disappointing I think we get his advantage but I'm gonna give one point to Andy because

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: because I believe that he could be in a lot worse position well don't

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: to Andy for not being as bad as before it was going to be in the episode

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that's great that's downing with same praise to a degree but yeah okay so interesting so now Sue is leading

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the charts on nine points teenies on six oh sounds on five and then gave us on two and Andy's on one

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting who's all the time he would have got teen teen you would have got the points if

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_04]: if there wasn't this whole situation yeah like a hundred percent yeah I mean teeny like

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: we credit a teeny last week for the like social relationships and like that played out with

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Rome here telling teeny about the idol and then like again like off a cliff which is relevant

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah who's a winner pick who do you think's in a win at the minute I'm like in Rachel

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Rachel for me is good and I think I don't want to talk about like how the

[01:37:49] [SPEAKER_04]: edit's going that but I think solid so far solid I can see a root where she wins

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_04]: no it's like it yeah Rachel hey maybe teeny but then is teeny I feel like there might be a little

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_04]: fall for tainies right I feel like people might see through but Rachel she's got everything

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah kind of I could I can picture her being what a winner would be what about you who

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: have you said that you're a winner for my winner people's Asia so I'm skin stick with Asia

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Asia who someone I know from life so do you know yeah so I see that she was on the

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: so she's obviously with Robert's a podcast so you know yeah yes and Andy I met Andy in Boston

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_04]: you can yeah oh because he would just there is a fan art because he was like a fan event yeah

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and was he saying that he wants to like get he's been playing and stuff like that

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I obviously don't remember I don't think so I mean we just it was very loud but we did

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: we talked a lot we talked about the episode I don't know let me didn't talk about him going on the

[01:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: show I met a lot of people ended up playing that night Charlie played last season apparently I met

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: him Bruce who had played once and would go on to play again but I didn't had seen and played you

[01:39:01] [SPEAKER_04]: the time I met him you know there's a very cool community I want to get to I want to get to like

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: an event I need to come to the UX ring event because he's two weeks later two weeks today I'm going

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_04]: to Miami and Boston on like like just like a holiday so I want to go to the United Survivor

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Families that want to meet you up I'm out there but do you definitely do that are you in Boston

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: on a Wednesday night potentially probably yeah if you're going to holiday will that yeah

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll have to get myself yeah I'll get myself down that'll be great yeah it's so fun

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_04]: like that you're probably gonna need a big one that would really oh yeah he's from Boston I've seen

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that yeah because we found out that we had some long lost family or something in Boston

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: so we ended up connecting with them and we're going to visit them as a family it's quite quite

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: great man so incredible it's good no it's a good to survive our event I'll I'll let you know

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: okay well people who are in those places reach out to Matt about the viewing

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah they're really oh yeah talking to you in there I'll be there assuming you make it through

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: what you're jumping oh yeah no no no no no no 30 minutes then you're leaving so I should wrap

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: this up I'm gonna go do nothing and you're gonna go bungee jumping I am but it'll be fair

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_04]: time is it in Australia right now it's eight o'clock at night oh so you've been you're right you can

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_04]: chill in even if the days just begun you okay I have to be doing something that you can you can

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: relax on I even yeah I guess if it was early I'd bungee jumping the day escaped me you would

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: did you? Yeah you did bungee jumping if it was earlier that's what you were looking for yeah

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I would I would be alright tell the people where they can find you to tell you about the viewing

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: pies and and find out that you're okay and your tick drop what what can people what what

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_04]: did tell people you're doing yeah absolutely so my name's Matthew here would X on

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: tick talk Instagram and X same socials across all platforms I'm quite active on tick talk at

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_04]: a minute post no lot like a lot my life's there and getting up to other different challenges

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Instagram as well I'm not as active on X but definitely now I've watched in July before

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: seven I'll be on there keeping it with the episode so on Wednesday night I'll be tweeting

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and yeah definitely keep up with me keeping touch I'm interested in

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I'm loving the survivor community so excited to see more of it my eyes are open to the survival world

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: 11 we'll all send you the chat you'll go to a viewing party so good is it back to watch two survivors at once

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: so if I start watching 47 and then maybe you just say you said that so I have 42's really good

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: start watching them both alongside each of them or do you think I've been used one

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_04]: before you can get over maybe I'll but the thing is I could watch the live before you two

[01:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: for instance you could binge that fast quick like you'd have to wait for the episodes yeah

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: okay you're going to do the chat but it's going to be like a shock to the system because

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a really old school so a lot some of the four you were born

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: no before you go to watch those yes okay so if I was older than you are

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: that's crazy people watching survival before I was even

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I know even a thing that's insane maybe you are anyway good luck with your budget jumping

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: that thank you for coming up here so this was so fun actually I've looked at I've looked

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_04]: at any time get me home whenever you yeah whenever you need I'm here this was great well I

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: wish you were instead in some more playing Australia but this is like the second bit

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: second bit of time the time will come and we'll play again yeah well everyone next

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to guy have another great guest Harry Hills will be my guest

[01:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: follow me at channe gage subscribe to the internet so as well I have a seat I think it's

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: still called that um this feed so that you can get all of the content

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and that is it thank you so much again Matt thank you to the listeners

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: thank you all the team behind the scenes and I will see you next time bye

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: bye