Survivor Global: Genevieve’s Power & Plurality Potential | S47 Ep 9 with Feras Basal

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[00:01:11] Survivor Global for Survivor 47. I'm your host Shannon Guss, here to talk about

[00:01:15] Episode 9, I think we're at. This was a crazy episode, a lot of chaos, it was a very long challenge and then there was a lot of strategy so we'll probably get into a lot of the latter. But to talk about that, an incredible guest, a winner, a reigning champion, Australian Survivor. He's gotten on the US Survivor train recently. He needs to get more on. I haven't heard the updates on his binge, but I'll be threatening and pressuring him through this podcast, no doubt. But here's the great Ferris Basal. Ferris, thank you for being here.

[00:01:43] Thank you so much for having me, Shannon. I'm always excited doing these podcasts and obviously you're always keeping me in check with Survivor US. I feel like at this point you're like my Survivor US teacher and I just have to constantly be doing my homework.

[00:01:58] And this season has been absolutely incredible. So I'm happy to be chatting all things Survivor 47.

[00:02:04] Well, I feel like I'm a bad teacher and I don't know if it's just that you're a bad student or am I a bad teacher? Whose fault is it? Because I feel like you haven't been binging the things I told you to binge.

[00:02:13] No. You haven't been doing your homework. I haven't. I've been a horrible, horrible student. So bad. Very Fs all around. Not good. Yeah. Yeah. Big Fs all around. But I'm up to date with Survivor 47. And to me, that's all that matters at the moment.

[00:02:30] Yes. Thank you for coming on to this podcast up to date with the season. We appreciate that. That was the bare minimum. That was the least that we required for you to be here today. But then in the off-season, Ferris, when are you going to watch Survivor 48?

[00:02:44] Yeah. You're right. You're so right. Like, I feel like at this point, there just needs to be an event where all the fans just sit me down in front of a TV and we just watch a whole season together.

[00:02:55] So who knows? Maybe that could be a thing.

[00:02:58] I've said that there is the internet. And as you said, that it's hard for you to binge because you're ADHD and you're always distracted.

[00:03:05] Live stream it. That's the online fan event. You could do that every day.

[00:03:12] You know what? I might. Once I do, like, see my schedule a bit in, like, a week or two, I think I genuinely might just start a live session on Twitter by myself and just see who else wants to join me. I don't care. I don't care if I'm watching by myself. I'll do it. You can join me.

[00:03:27] I don't want to be having this conversation with you on a podcast every six months. Like, I don't want to come back here in 2025, Ferris. I believe in you. I believe you can do it.

[00:03:38] Help me responsible.

[00:03:40] If you were on Australia versus the world, they would have needed, you would have needed to research.

[00:03:45] Actually, and to watch it and to watch Kirby on it, you're going to need to research some people and it's relevant.

[00:03:50] But I blame production. I blame Australian 5 for Russian for not putting you on the season, which is insane, by the way.

[00:03:56] It's completely insane. Just separate to that. And it meant that you didn't binge it.

[00:03:59] So really, they're at fault. But you have a little part to blame it.

[00:04:02] Okay, we can all blame them. Let's just blame them. As long as it's not made, we can blame them.

[00:04:06] But it's genuinely, like, I'll just say it now, like, it's bizarre that you're not on Australia versus the world.

[00:04:12] I'm just going to tell you.

[00:04:13] Honestly, it was either going to be me or Kirby. That's how I see it. And it's like, everybody wants to see Kirby go at it. So by all means, go sis. She has my support.

[00:04:24] I'm a bit sad I didn't get to play with her again, because we all know how that sort of worked out, which is always fun.

[00:04:30] But she has my support.

[00:04:32] Yeah, that you won.

[00:04:33] That'll be exciting.

[00:04:34] It was fun that you beat her. But it would have been great to have you both.

[00:04:38] Like, as if they haven't done, you know, big duos before.

[00:04:40] Like, we know the three we know are Kirby, George and Shani.

[00:04:43] Like, George and Shani are that, like, that duo.

[00:04:46] I mean, it went fully at a point. But, like, there's that connection there. Like, there's that inbuilt relationship. So you would have thought.

[00:04:53] You never know what could happen in the future.

[00:04:55] But honestly, at this point, I'm just excited to see all of my peers take on the world.

[00:05:01] So that'll be very exciting to watch.

[00:05:03] Yeah. Well, Ferris, other than not watching enough Survivor, how have you been? What's been happening with you?

[00:05:09] I've been good. It's been honestly a crazy past couple of months.

[00:05:12] I've just honestly been busy in my own worlds, in my own work, buried in the sand, doing as much as I possibly can.

[00:05:20] And from time to time, talking shit on Twitter. So that's always lovely.

[00:05:24] But, yeah, I think next year is going to be a huge year.

[00:05:28] So just keep an eye out. There's a lot going on.

[00:05:30] And, yeah, excited for what's to come.

[00:05:33] Yeah. Well, you caught up for this today.

[00:05:36] And how are you feeling about the season?

[00:05:38] Because you watched 46, you watched this.

[00:05:40] And you were telling me before we recorded that they're like night and day for you.

[00:05:44] They are. They are.

[00:05:46] Look, because I don't have many seasons to compare 47 to, I could only just compare it to last season.

[00:05:54] I love this season. I'm obsessed.

[00:05:56] You know what? I was watching the latest episode and I was looking at the entire cast and I was like,

[00:06:01] I love every single person in this cast.

[00:06:04] They are incredible.

[00:06:05] They brought some sort of value to the show as viewers.

[00:06:09] So I've been obsessed with this season.

[00:06:12] A lot of it does have like trickles of Titans versus Rebels in it and some challenges or like some moments that I could name.

[00:06:20] So it sort of gives me a bit of nostalgia.

[00:06:23] But it's it's a different it's a different season.

[00:06:26] I'm enjoying every bit of it.

[00:06:28] So it's awesome.

[00:06:29] Yeah, it's interesting to compare it to Titans versus Rebels because I feel like both were fluid, but in kind of a different way.

[00:06:35] I mean, I feel like Titans versus Rebels had these intense relationship dynamics, positive and negative, or sometimes both like you and Kirby.

[00:06:41] Right. So, you know, these kind of extremes of relationships that would kind of coalesce into different groups, as we said, like different even groups every time.

[00:06:48] Whereas I was talking about this with Peter, like this season, I feel like no relationships are so deeply positive and negative.

[00:06:55] Like there's obviously some bonds and, you know, some vendettas.

[00:06:59] We saw them come out in this in this episode even.

[00:07:01] But I feel like everyone's pretty workable with each other.

[00:07:05] There's more of that kind of like passive relationships that then coalesce into kind of different groups.

[00:07:12] So it's like without the extremes of Titans versus Rebels that people would kind of use to go into different groups, this is more just like if this is making any sense, even across the surface.

[00:07:20] And then the groups kind of shore up or relationships kind of manifest at that time without it being so extreme.

[00:07:27] Did any of that make sense?

[00:07:28] No, it makes perfect sense, which does make it a bit more confusing in a way since there's no like extreme love relationship.

[00:07:34] So when you're literally going to tribal council, like when I was watching that last episode, I was like, oh, I have no idea what's happening.

[00:07:40] Like genuinely.

[00:07:42] So the fact that there's no highs, like the highs in Titans versus Rebels with the alliances and the strength of alliances, it makes things so much more interesting and chaotic and genuinely unpredictable.

[00:07:53] So I love it.

[00:07:55] Yeah, I mean, I think that the last episode seemed confusing, but actually was told really well.

[00:08:00] And especially on the second viewing, if you watch it with this lens, like I think we were given the soul plan really clearly.

[00:08:07] Like we saw literally the building blocks and I think like very, very clearly of like Genevieve coming up with it and going to each person and then like deciding to tell Rachel and seeing what Rachel would do with Sam.

[00:08:16] And then Rachel told Sam and then we saw like Sam blow it up.

[00:08:18] We saw that all really clearly.

[00:08:19] Where it gets confusing is then Sam pushes back on like maybe a suku plan, maybe sue.

[00:08:26] Teenie's like maybe Carl because Teenie got, you know, like got to love Teenie.

[00:08:30] Teenie at any point would be like, what if we do the man instead of the woman?

[00:08:34] And it largely doesn't work out, but Teenie will always vouch for it.

[00:08:38] And I appreciate that sentiment.

[00:08:41] It has not worked to this point.

[00:08:42] I mean, you go as a man, but like Sue was still the target between them.

[00:08:45] Like Teenie will not get that.

[00:08:46] But then, so then what happens with that is it gets confusing because it's like, is it soul or is it this tukou plan?

[00:08:51] And if it's tukou, is it Sue or Carl?

[00:08:53] But what it was, and if you rewatch with this lens, like it was always soul.

[00:08:56] And they talk about that at Tribal Council, you know, like basically what's real versus what's noise.

[00:09:00] And that was all noise.

[00:09:01] And we saw the soul plan.

[00:09:02] There was no reason to renege on it, even when, you know, Sam has told soul, even when it's being blown up.

[00:09:07] And I'm glad for Genevieve that she didn't renege on it because I'm sure it was scary.

[00:09:10] But you just blindside soul, which they did, you know, get him into a new false sense of security.

[00:09:16] Because every single time that they talk about the tukou plan, it's to the people who are at that point on the outs.

[00:09:20] Sam or Teenie or soul.

[00:09:22] At Tribal Council, whenever anyone's like, is it Sue or Kyle?

[00:09:24] It's to one of those people.

[00:09:25] And it's noise.

[00:09:26] And it's, you know, the decoy and the soul plan is happening.

[00:09:28] It always was.

[00:09:29] And at a point, you know, everyone becomes aware of it and it becomes unanimous.

[00:09:33] And I think that's what it is.

[00:09:33] And it's not as confusing when you kind of separate what's noise from what's real.

[00:09:37] And I think that they told a chaotic, like literally something actually chaotic very well.

[00:09:43] But it was confusing because it was a lot in the moment, as they were describing.

[00:09:47] I think, like, also the editing of this season with how they've chosen certain scenes and shots and things like that.

[00:09:55] I'm absolutely loving.

[00:09:57] Like, you can see there's a huge improvement from what I saw, at least, to this season.

[00:10:04] It's been, they are telling the story the right way and I'm loving every bit of it.

[00:10:08] So, couldn't agree with you more on that.

[00:10:10] Yeah.

[00:10:11] They're relying a lot on, like, the jump cut edits, which I love.

[00:10:14] Some people might say it's an over-aligned, but I, like, any single time it's like, oh, Sue's like to Kyle.

[00:10:19] Are they saying my name?

[00:10:20] He's like, no, Katja, we should do Sue.

[00:10:22] They do a lot of the ironic jump cut.

[00:10:24] But I love that.

[00:10:25] Like, that's a human that really works for me.

[00:10:26] So, like, they can keep, they can keep doing that type of thing.

[00:10:29] And I think that they told it well.

[00:10:31] I mean, obviously, I wasn't enjoying the first half of the episode because, you know, the very long challenge,

[00:10:37] whereas you may not know because you've seen it twice, but it's a staple of the new era for some reason.

[00:10:41] And I don't enjoy it.

[00:10:43] It's basically just, like, several, like, several not-stop, but, like, four or five challenges in one.

[00:10:47] And I'm not, I don't enjoy that.

[00:10:50] Actually, this is how I feel.

[00:10:51] I felt like it was an episode of two halves, and I literally went to a wedding in the middle of it.

[00:10:55] So, I wanted to finish the episode before I went to the wedding, but I got through the very long challenge.

[00:11:00] And I was at the burping scene, and then I had to go spend nine hours at a wedding.

[00:11:03] And I was, like, in my head, I'm like, oh, my God, four people might lose votes.

[00:11:07] Because when they did this in 45, like, it was all, it was all, like, individual votes, like, individual challenges.

[00:11:13] They all could have lost their vote.

[00:11:15] Four of ten.

[00:11:15] And I was, like, oh, my God.

[00:11:17] You know, another six-person voting configuration.

[00:11:20] And, like, the challenge had been so long.

[00:11:22] And I was, like, in a bad mood.

[00:11:23] But then I came back, and only one lost their vote.

[00:11:25] And it was public.

[00:11:26] And I felt better about that.

[00:11:27] And then I thought the second half was great.

[00:11:29] So, literally, I went to a wedding in the middle.

[00:11:31] And I felt like I was very low in the beginning.

[00:11:35] Very high on the end.

[00:11:37] So, yeah.

[00:11:39] I didn't expect to come back and really enjoy it.

[00:11:42] But let's talk about, I think, the main thing about this episode, the main question.

[00:11:47] And we're going to get into everyone's decisions.

[00:11:49] Genevieve.

[00:11:50] It's all about Genevieve, right?

[00:11:53] The main instigator of everything.

[00:11:54] And I feel like there's been so much discussion around, is this good for Genevieve?

[00:11:59] I've heard, brilliant.

[00:12:00] Love it.

[00:12:01] Queen.

[00:12:02] Best player of the new era.

[00:12:03] I've heard game-losing move.

[00:12:05] Steven on No One All says game-losing move.

[00:12:07] He and Owen were both pretty low on it.

[00:12:08] I think we'll talk through the cons and pros.

[00:12:10] You're a big game player.

[00:12:12] So, looking at this, are you high or low?

[00:12:15] Are you first half of the episode or second half of the episode on Genevieve's move?

[00:12:21] You see, in a cast like this, it's kind of hard to be like, that was a great move or

[00:12:26] a bad move because the relationships are getting quite complex.

[00:12:31] But if I were to just sum it down very simply, Soul was kind of in her corner.

[00:12:36] Like, it was in her corner.

[00:12:38] Like, I don't understand, like, why.

[00:12:41] The way I see it is there are better options.

[00:12:45] At that point of the game, there were definitely, was he the best option?

[00:12:50] No.

[00:12:50] I don't think he was the best option.

[00:12:52] Was it a bad move?

[00:12:53] I don't think it was a bad move either.

[00:12:55] She, the way I see it is she's learned so much from the dynamics just from that episode,

[00:13:01] from that scrambling, from that tribal, from everything.

[00:13:05] Although people might see that, okay, she might have voted out someone that could have

[00:13:10] been in her corner.

[00:13:11] She has gained so much more information from this process.

[00:13:14] And I think that's what a lot of people miss.

[00:13:17] So on the surface of it, yes, I don't think she, there could have been someone way better

[00:13:26] for her to vote out.

[00:13:28] Beneath the surface, did she gain a lot from it?

[00:13:32] I think she did.

[00:13:32] I think she gained a crap load of info, a crap load of, like, info about dynamics and

[00:13:38] where people lie and how people lie to her.

[00:13:42] And I think she's a very intelligent woman.

[00:13:43] So she's that type that can grab all that information and it'd be so much more valuable

[00:13:48] than just another vote in her corner.

[00:13:51] So he didn't really give you an answer.

[00:13:55] Who would you see as a better option for her?

[00:13:58] Someone that would have brought absolutely no value to her.

[00:14:02] Who would bring no value to someone like Genevieve?

[00:14:07] Honestly, probably someone like Kyle would have been a better move to her.

[00:14:11] Right.

[00:14:12] To Genevieve.

[00:14:13] Yes.

[00:14:14] Kyle is bringing not a lot, but also Kyle is such an easy consensus vote.

[00:14:18] Even his own allies want to vote him out.

[00:14:19] We can talk about that.

[00:14:21] So it's kind of like, I don't see that as a benefit of her.

[00:14:23] I see that maybe as a benefit to the group, but like, I don't know that that's a specific

[00:14:27] benefit to her.

[00:14:28] That's one of the reasons I would do something like this, because I feel like it's going

[00:14:30] to be very easy for someone at some point, several rounds down, not several again, but

[00:14:34] like a couple of rounds down the road to be like, we'll all just do Kyle.

[00:14:38] Is that actually actively benefiting Genevieve individually?

[00:14:41] Or does everyone want to get rid of Kyle?

[00:14:43] So I think for me, like when I look at, there's a lot of, you know, cons and pros and then

[00:14:48] we've gotten comparisons of Genevieve to Kirby.

[00:14:50] And I'd love to get your take on that because she's a big game player.

[00:14:53] I feel like to compare it for me, when I was thinking about the comparison to Kirby,

[00:14:56] Kirby, like Genevieve has a great social game.

[00:14:59] She's kind of the way that she can corral people is so impressive.

[00:15:04] Like all of that.

[00:15:05] I was so impressed with Kirby and they both impress and scare me.

[00:15:07] So I think that that is a similarity, but I think with Kirby, she was doing, she was using

[00:15:13] that power for moves that I just so vehemently disagreed with, especially early on, you know,

[00:15:18] throwing the votes and even coming for you.

[00:15:20] And I felt like that I was like so actively not on board.

[00:15:24] And I think those moves, she could recover better than most, but I still think they like

[00:15:29] badly affected her.

[00:15:30] And you guys were talking about the throwing votes like weeks down the track.

[00:15:33] And I was very against it.

[00:15:35] Whereas with Genevieve, when I see it with like the Kishan move, which was big.

[00:15:38] And then this move, like I'm at least on the fence, if not pro.

[00:15:41] So it's like the big kind of move mentality with things I'm more like, you know, accepting

[00:15:48] and more understanding.

[00:15:50] And with this move, like at first I was like, oh, too much.

[00:15:53] Soul's too close to you.

[00:15:55] It's such a big move.

[00:15:55] Like all the cons that everyone has said, like soul was an ally for her.

[00:15:59] He said in Exit, he wanted a Larvo final three.

[00:16:01] He also said they weren't ride or die.

[00:16:03] I feel like we don't really know how that would have gone, but that's what he's saying.

[00:16:06] I feel like it leaves her a little bit floating.

[00:16:08] It kind of like untethers this like Larvo, strong Larvo position that she had.

[00:16:12] Cuts off the Chibatini as she points out, pokes her head out as a threat.

[00:16:17] Those are the major cons.

[00:16:18] And also what, you know, I really hated her doing it as like revenge for Rome.

[00:16:22] Because what is that?

[00:16:23] That's not anything.

[00:16:24] Soul in the Exit thought that that was really the reason.

[00:16:27] Those are my like main cons.

[00:16:29] But then I had like a really long list of pros.

[00:16:31] And like one of the main things is like, so as we're saying, like what does Kyle really

[00:16:38] achieve?

[00:16:38] Whereas someone like Soul was a big threat.

[00:16:40] Came into this episode leading the Chizzy.

[00:16:42] She's clocking all the things we're clocking about him.

[00:16:44] He has relationships.

[00:16:45] And now you might say, how good could those relationships be?

[00:16:48] He goes in a unanimous vote.

[00:16:50] She does a lot of work to get that unanimous vote happening.

[00:16:53] You know, if he gets a little further with that, then he shores up those relationships

[00:16:55] and he's a real contender against her or to even have more power than her, even if, you

[00:16:59] know, she's a factor in his plans.

[00:17:00] It's still his plans.

[00:17:02] So I think the work she did specifically with someone like Sue, who Soul is saying in

[00:17:06] X interviews he was really close with.

[00:17:08] She went and was like, he's throwing out Gabe, like really put it on him when it had been

[00:17:11] a lot of Soul and Teenie.

[00:17:13] She did a lot of work to fracture relationships who were then coming after Soul, taking out

[00:17:18] a really big threat like Soul, who we see as like, you know, yeah, a huge, I've seen

[00:17:23] as a really huge player in the game.

[00:17:24] I also think from a position standpoint, and this is the most important thing for me with

[00:17:28] Genevieve.

[00:17:29] Yes, it untethers her from her current position, but Genevieve will rebuild and is rebuilding

[00:17:34] right now, is doing stuff like that with Tuku, who she seems to really want to work

[00:17:37] with.

[00:17:38] And the thing with Genevieve for me, and this is the thing I come back with, is her

[00:17:41] bandwidth for how big she can play is bigger than most because she will recover better.

[00:17:45] Like the Kishon move, which I went back and forth with, you know, for several weeks,

[00:17:50] two or three weeks where I said, now I'm hearing myself say several a lot, but I went back

[00:17:56] for two or three weeks being like, you know, was this a good move?

[00:17:59] And I came eventually around to the fact that I didn't like the Kishon move.

[00:18:03] I thought she invested a lot in Rome, who immediately needed to go.

[00:18:06] I was like, this actually couldn't go much worse.

[00:18:07] And where did it leave Genevieve on a move that couldn't go worse?

[00:18:10] Still pulling the strings here today, right?

[00:18:12] So it's like, even if this move pans out not in her best interest, I bet she can recover

[00:18:17] the best.

[00:18:17] I think she can take the bull by the horns more than most and has the bandwidth to play

[00:18:22] a bigger game and recover really, really well and continue to rebuild and position into

[00:18:25] something that worked for her.

[00:18:26] And I see her doing it now with the Tukus as an example.

[00:18:29] So for me, let her play big.

[00:18:32] Let her add to the jury resume.

[00:18:33] When someone like Kyle's like Genevieve is not a thinker, there will be no doubt about

[00:18:36] it if she gets to the final tribal council that she's a thinker and that she's great.

[00:18:39] Let her take agency.

[00:18:41] Let her take out threats.

[00:18:42] Let her play in this big way if she wants to and take out threats and recover very,

[00:18:48] very well.

[00:18:48] And I think that's something Genevieve can do and has done because she's like a special

[00:18:53] player like that.

[00:18:53] And that's why I give the leeway to do that.

[00:18:57] I think what it does come down to is everyone's constantly saying, was this move a good move

[00:19:04] for Genevieve?

[00:19:05] Yes or no.

[00:19:06] But what we're not understanding is, was it a good move for Genevieve's style of play?

[00:19:11] That's what it is.

[00:19:13] So I think, again, on the surface, I don't think it's ever a good move to just vote out

[00:19:18] someone that's in your side.

[00:19:19] We all agree with that.

[00:19:21] But you did it.

[00:19:24] My season doesn't count.

[00:19:26] That's a very weird season.

[00:19:28] Yes.

[00:19:28] Everything was weird.

[00:19:29] Yes.

[00:19:29] We never use my season as like, you know, evidence for anything.

[00:19:35] But yeah, anyways, I think that Genevieve is that type that can afford to do something

[00:19:41] like that and come out stronger in the end because she's such a proactive player.

[00:19:46] And I think that's what makes a great player.

[00:19:48] Calculator and proactive player.

[00:19:49] So I can guarantee you, before she even came up with this plan of soul, that she considered

[00:19:55] the fact that she needs to build relationships with others before throwing out soul's name,

[00:20:00] just in case he does get out and does leave her untethered.

[00:20:03] So she's that type that would have invested in relationships before even suggesting that.

[00:20:08] So I think for a player like Genevieve, you're right.

[00:20:11] I think she can recover.

[00:20:12] She can recover very easily.

[00:20:14] And I think it's because she's such a proactive and calculated player.

[00:20:18] So in general, is this like the greatest move of all time?

[00:20:22] No.

[00:20:23] Could it be great for a player like Genevieve or like a player like Kirby that can recover

[00:20:29] from things after voting someone out or blindsiding someone?

[00:20:33] Yes.

[00:20:34] She's that type of player and she's just that player.

[00:20:36] So I love it.

[00:20:38] Yeah.

[00:20:39] I mean, looking at the Kishan move in that genuinely like from an objective perspective

[00:20:43] couldn't have gone worse.

[00:20:44] And she still is here pulling all the strings.

[00:20:47] It just shows the power that she has to be able to take out a huge threat in Sol.

[00:20:51] And as she says, someone whose name wasn't really being said.

[00:20:53] So as she's saying, like a sneaky threat and still keeping those buffers in front of

[00:20:57] her, like the Sams, like the Carls, like the Gaves that everyone kind of has in their head

[00:21:01] anyway, but actually taking out someone who I think was more of a threat to her.

[00:21:06] Yes, he wants to possibly stay with Genevieve, but again, that as a powerful player will be

[00:21:09] his decision and why leave it in his hands?

[00:21:11] He's also saying in other X interviews, they weren't ride or die.

[00:21:14] I wouldn't want to be relying on that.

[00:21:15] Yeah.

[00:21:16] So she puts it into her own hands.

[00:21:18] She continues to do that.

[00:21:19] And I know that I'm possibly somewhat biased and that I love when players can take their

[00:21:22] own agency, but I do enjoy that because I think that it's very controlled and it's

[00:21:27] the best way to have the impact on your own game.

[00:21:29] And she's the one who can afford to do that because she will build in that moment.

[00:21:33] And I think that she as well, she seems to really want to work with the Tukus.

[00:21:36] You know, I know Sam could have been an option, but again, like who does it really benefit?

[00:21:40] So in terms of like, yeah, like a Carl or a Sam, I don't see it as hugely beneficial to

[00:21:43] her.

[00:21:44] I think leaving in the Tukus is fine because if the Tukus were a block of four for real,

[00:21:48] I would say that this is untenable.

[00:21:50] You don't want to leave going into nine, leaving them as a four.

[00:21:53] We're getting very, very dicey.

[00:21:54] But the fact that the Tukus are saying to us, especially Sue, she wants to come for

[00:21:59] Carl.

[00:22:00] Caroline, happy to come for Carl.

[00:22:01] She's Carl is like a big immunity threat, which we can talk about as well.

[00:22:05] They're not a four.

[00:22:06] So I see her building in the moment with Rachel, with the Tukus, with Andy.

[00:22:11] She's building.

[00:22:11] And so it's like, you know, lose one connection, make three and take out a huge threat.

[00:22:16] Like I started scared.

[00:22:19] I started being like, I don't love it.

[00:22:20] It just felt too soon.

[00:22:22] It felt too early.

[00:22:23] It felt way too audacious.

[00:22:23] And it is all those things.

[00:22:25] But I think Genevieve, if anyone can do that.

[00:22:28] And I just think the more I think about it, the more I like the move.

[00:22:31] And obviously, like the execution is incredible.

[00:22:33] Like obviously the fact that she's pulling the strings is amazing.

[00:22:35] But yeah, even on doing it, I'm like, you know, I back it.

[00:22:40] I back the power that she has.

[00:22:41] Well, I think then the biggest thing that will come out of this is she literally got

[00:22:46] everyone voting the way she wants.

[00:22:48] Gabe is literally saying, this is your move, Genevieve.

[00:22:51] The biggest issue after this is threat levels.

[00:22:53] How is she going to manage her threats?

[00:22:56] Yes.

[00:22:56] And that's a big consideration, especially in the new era where that's a big thing.

[00:23:00] It's like, it's often like they're the biggest threat.

[00:23:02] So you take them out.

[00:23:03] So now you're the biggest threat.

[00:23:04] So you get taken out.

[00:23:04] And that is a big thing for Genevieve.

[00:23:05] And I think a lot of it will be how much are other threats?

[00:23:08] Can they be pushed?

[00:23:09] Like a Kyle, Sam, Gabe, these like big guys.

[00:23:12] And then how much would those relationships help?

[00:23:14] Because we saw with Saul, you know, the relationships did not help him.

[00:23:17] You know, like people did not come back to him.

[00:23:20] So yeah, I mean, if you were Genevieve, what would be kind of the way to mitigate that for you?

[00:23:24] And if I were Genevieve, I would have a close eye.

[00:23:31] See, the thing with, she's in such an odd position at the moment.

[00:23:36] Because honestly, the way I see it is if her name doesn't get called out in the next episode,

[00:23:41] I'm going to think everybody is wild on that tribe.

[00:23:45] Like, and absolutely blind.

[00:23:47] Like, how much more of a threat do you need than that?

[00:23:50] Everyone saw the plan happening.

[00:23:52] Everyone saw Genevieve, like everyone knows it's Genevieve's plan.

[00:23:55] The whole tribe voted her way.

[00:23:57] I'm sorry.

[00:23:58] At what point is she not a threat?

[00:23:59] Like, if her name doesn't get like thrown out at least in the next episode,

[00:24:04] then she is doing absolutely something incredible that nobody understands.

[00:24:08] Yeah.

[00:24:09] Or the tribe is just not saying she's got much of a threat.

[00:24:12] So she's got a lot of groundwork to do.

[00:24:14] And for me, it would be invest in Sue.

[00:24:17] Sue and Caroline are her two girls.

[00:24:19] I think those are the two that she needs to invest in.

[00:24:21] And the rest will slowly start following.

[00:24:24] Like she did.

[00:24:25] Like she spoke to one or two people and then people started.

[00:24:29] Like, she just has that agency in the game.

[00:24:32] So it's just a matter of how she communicates it and how she,

[00:24:36] she won't minimize her threat level.

[00:24:38] That's not the way to do it because you can't minimize threat level like that.

[00:24:41] She needs to maximize other people's threat level.

[00:24:44] That's what she needs to do on the next couple of episodes.

[00:24:47] Yes.

[00:24:48] And I do think that there are those names there.

[00:24:50] And I do think like if you look at the meta of the new era,

[00:24:53] has any new era winner been so out in front individually for us,

[00:24:57] even as viewers at this point in the game?

[00:24:59] Like, no.

[00:25:00] Like even like, I mean, this is like someone like D was in a group and then

[00:25:05] kind of was doing her own individual stuff later.

[00:25:07] And everyone else like, yeah,

[00:25:08] it was kind of hiding and then taking out the Genevieve's who will be the

[00:25:11] eventual Chisley winner, you know,

[00:25:12] but not necessarily the winner of the season.

[00:25:17] And I think that the reason that I can back this,

[00:25:19] and I don't think Genevieve is going to win.

[00:25:20] I think from an edit perspective, Genevieve will lose at fire.

[00:25:22] Genevieve said in the preseason that she played Baldur's Gate instead of

[00:25:26] practicing fire.

[00:25:27] And I said in the preseason, this is a sparkly person,

[00:25:30] but the fire can serve me.

[00:25:31] And that's my prediction for Genevieve.

[00:25:32] I think she will lose at fire,

[00:25:33] but I think she'll get to that point.

[00:25:34] And I think that's good enough.

[00:25:35] How can she get to that point when she's such a big threat in my mind?

[00:25:38] Because I think that that's what we're seeing with her level of social game,

[00:25:43] social recovery, and possibly positioning.

[00:25:47] But yeah,

[00:25:47] she should be the next head to be chopped off because she poked her head out.

[00:25:50] But I think that her game is in making those moves and managing that threat

[00:25:56] level.

[00:25:56] And if she fails on that,

[00:25:58] that'll be the part of her game that she fails on.

[00:25:59] It's all contingent.

[00:26:00] This big game of play style is contingent on her maintaining that.

[00:26:05] And if she fails on that,

[00:26:05] then that will be the thing I think that we look at as the thing that she

[00:26:08] did wrong.

[00:26:09] But currently she's been doing it really well.

[00:26:10] And if she can continue on that,

[00:26:12] then she's got runway.

[00:26:14] And I back her on that because that's what I've seen so far.

[00:26:16] So that's where I'm at with her.

[00:26:17] Yeah.

[00:26:19] Yeah.

[00:26:19] Love him generally so far.

[00:26:20] Love it.

[00:26:21] So many interesting decisions in this episode.

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[00:27:21] And that's why I really enjoyed the second half.

[00:27:23] Let's talk through some of them.

[00:27:25] For Genevieve again, she tells Rachel, knowing Rachel could tell Sam.

[00:27:28] Again, could this have gone worse for Genevieve?

[00:27:31] Much like the Gishon move kind of devolves in every way and she recovers,

[00:27:35] I have to back that Genevieve tells Rachel, knowing she could tell Sam.

[00:27:38] Not wanting her to tell Sam.

[00:27:40] Genevieve tells Sam and Sam blows up.

[00:27:42] And where does it leave this?

[00:27:44] With Sol going back to Genevieve to be like,

[00:27:47] what are we doing about the situation?

[00:27:48] She's back there.

[00:27:50] Yeah.

[00:27:51] And Tini's like, but where are the votes?

[00:27:52] And we can talk about it.

[00:27:53] It's actually really chilling.

[00:27:54] Hearing Sol talk about it in the ex-interviews that like,

[00:27:57] you know that some people that you're talking to are probably against you,

[00:28:00] right?

[00:28:00] Like, where's this majority coming from?

[00:28:02] And that to me is like a kind of a horror movie.

[00:28:04] It's like, who are we talking to?

[00:28:05] But they never seem to suspect Genevieve.

[00:28:07] That's so well done.

[00:28:08] All information comes back to Genevieve,

[00:28:09] who's able to just barrel through with the plan.

[00:28:11] And again, it couldn't have gone worse.

[00:28:12] But should she have risked it?

[00:28:14] How do you feel about telling Rachel about this plan,

[00:28:15] which is then about to implode?

[00:28:18] Oh, yeah.

[00:28:19] It's a hard one because again,

[00:28:21] like the whole no vote situation throws a spanner in the works.

[00:28:25] Should she have risked like going through all of that?

[00:28:29] Not to the extent that she did.

[00:28:31] Okay.

[00:28:32] I feel like there was way too many pieces involved that didn't really need

[00:28:37] to be involved.

[00:28:38] I think she may have gotten slightly excited with the plan.

[00:28:44] But yeah,

[00:28:44] a lot of these people didn't need to know the plan.

[00:28:48] They didn't know.

[00:28:49] No one needed to know.

[00:28:50] And I want to talk about this,

[00:28:51] about who were the numbers.

[00:28:53] Because they say like,

[00:28:53] if Caroline comes back without a vote,

[00:28:55] we're going to need another number.

[00:28:56] Actually not true.

[00:28:58] The tricky math here and the plurality vote that I'm going to get to,

[00:29:01] I don't know if they want to rely on this,

[00:29:02] but it's a nine person vote,

[00:29:04] right?

[00:29:05] So at the time when the Jenga people come back from that journey,

[00:29:10] the Tuku three and Genevieve,

[00:29:14] that's four.

[00:29:14] But at that point,

[00:29:16] everyone else is on a Sam vote.

[00:29:18] So say Teenie,

[00:29:20] Soul,

[00:29:20] Rachel and Andy are voting for Sam,

[00:29:22] because that's been like the thing.

[00:29:23] And Sam,

[00:29:23] as he says to Soul,

[00:29:24] is voting Kyle.

[00:29:25] That's a 4-4-1.

[00:29:26] It would have been Sam,

[00:29:28] the soul on the re-vote.

[00:29:29] They don't re-vote this time.

[00:29:31] So on the re-vote,

[00:29:33] then the Tuku three and Genevieve have their four votes.

[00:29:36] They win on a 4-3.

[00:29:37] So that,

[00:29:38] so therefore at the point where they're against a pretty divided group at

[00:29:42] that point,

[00:29:43] you know,

[00:29:43] Sam and Teenie,

[00:29:44] Teenie's been pitching Sam,

[00:29:45] Sam's the target.

[00:29:47] That four actually has the power.

[00:29:48] Jen still goes to Andy.

[00:29:50] I think you probably want the numbers,

[00:29:52] but like still goes to Rachel.

[00:29:53] But when we talk about the Andy and Rachel decisions,

[00:29:55] I feel like they're kind of being brought in on like an overwhelming,

[00:29:59] like tsunami of a,

[00:30:00] of a majority.

[00:30:01] That is like the Tuku three and Genevieve at that point are very,

[00:30:04] very hard to break,

[00:30:05] even as a minority of nine,

[00:30:06] because they're against like a pretty fractured group in,

[00:30:09] in the other side.

[00:30:10] I feel like,

[00:30:11] so that plurality would have worked if Genevieve was aware of where Sam was

[00:30:17] voting?

[00:30:17] Well,

[00:30:18] Sam can't vote for himself.

[00:30:19] So as long as some people on the other side of voting for Sam,

[00:30:22] your four will win out.

[00:30:23] Cause Sam's going to have to vote for say a Kyle or whatever.

[00:30:26] She knew the others were voting for Sam.

[00:30:28] So if some people at least,

[00:30:29] yeah,

[00:30:29] she thinks the other four are voting for Sam,

[00:30:31] but if at least like teeny and solo voting for Sam,

[00:30:33] then that five will never make a block that's bigger than your four of nine

[00:30:36] on the re-vote.

[00:30:37] It's very risky with such a large group of people,

[00:30:40] but yeah,

[00:30:40] it could have been done.

[00:30:41] I mean,

[00:30:41] the four,

[00:30:42] three,

[00:30:42] two at nine plurality is like one of my favorites.

[00:30:44] Some,

[00:30:44] some great final nine plurality votes.

[00:30:48] You're going to get to in the binge.

[00:30:50] What's some of the people were talking about,

[00:30:51] but I mean,

[00:30:52] I'm not saying that you're relying on that.

[00:30:53] I'm just saying that when you're going to like an Andy and especially a

[00:30:55] Rachel,

[00:30:56] like they're being brought onto a plan.

[00:30:58] That's like very much in motion.

[00:30:59] Like if you're Andy is,

[00:31:00] is Andy the swing?

[00:31:01] Like Andy would either have to go with it,

[00:31:03] which he does.

[00:31:04] And I think he should,

[00:31:04] but like,

[00:31:05] or you're going back to everyone else and being like,

[00:31:08] no,

[00:31:08] we five need to be on a two crew.

[00:31:10] Like you actually get something going.

[00:31:11] You're not actually a swing between two groups at that point.

[00:31:13] So I just think people are being brought more onto the power structure of

[00:31:16] Genevieve leading the two crews with the two crews at that point.

[00:31:20] That's my kind of point on the plurality.

[00:31:22] And I also just want to talk about plurality votes because I'm predictable.

[00:31:26] Yeah.

[00:31:27] I was watching,

[00:31:28] I was watching the episode and then I saw that you mentioned the plurality,

[00:31:32] but I'm like,

[00:31:33] Oh,

[00:31:33] Shannon's going to love this one.

[00:31:35] She loves her plurality.

[00:31:36] I'll take it to a plurality if I want to,

[00:31:38] but anyway,

[00:31:39] what was I say?

[00:31:40] Oh yeah.

[00:31:40] So about bringing on the Rachels,

[00:31:42] the Andy's as an example.

[00:31:43] So you think he got a little bit too much.

[00:31:45] I mean,

[00:31:46] I feel like she,

[00:31:46] she actively brought on Andy and Rachel.

[00:31:49] Sam and Tini like heard something in the tribal scramble.

[00:31:53] Like that wasn't like intentional,

[00:31:55] but like the intentional move was bring on Andy and then Rachel.

[00:31:58] So where do you stand with like how she's building the blocks of this move?

[00:32:02] Andy,

[00:32:02] Andy would have been,

[00:32:04] I don't know.

[00:32:04] I feel like Andy's so shaky at the moment.

[00:32:07] Like,

[00:32:08] I just feel like it's a lot to put in.

[00:32:10] I'm,

[00:32:11] I'm loving Andy,

[00:32:12] by the way,

[00:32:13] I'm adoring Andy,

[00:32:14] but I,

[00:32:15] I don't know.

[00:32:16] I just feel like it's,

[00:32:18] it worked,

[00:32:19] but it was just so risky for her.

[00:32:21] Like there's just too many people involved.

[00:32:23] And there's,

[00:32:24] in terms of the amount of people that are left,

[00:32:26] the way I see it is the less numbers,

[00:32:28] the more ballsy we can be without moves,

[00:32:30] because you sort of have more agency in the game in terms of your Alliance members.

[00:32:35] But this like,

[00:32:36] where's,

[00:32:37] who's her actual Alliance members?

[00:32:39] She's going after Saul and she has all these random people that she's met for a couple of days.

[00:32:43] And she's pulling off this insane plan,

[00:32:45] which I think again,

[00:32:46] is so risky,

[00:32:48] but it works.

[00:32:48] So not much to say about her.

[00:32:51] That's the Genevieve game.

[00:32:52] Like she's building the blocks as she's doing it.

[00:32:53] By the way,

[00:32:54] you love Andy.

[00:32:54] Do you know how Andy feels about you?

[00:32:56] How does he feel about me?

[00:32:58] Oh no,

[00:32:58] he told me,

[00:32:59] he told me he was going to play a Ferris game,

[00:33:00] but that's the,

[00:33:01] yeah,

[00:33:01] he said in his interview,

[00:33:02] he said,

[00:33:02] yeah,

[00:33:02] I've got it.

[00:33:03] If I can play a Ferris game,

[00:33:04] oh my God,

[00:33:05] I would live for that.

[00:33:06] I would love that.

[00:33:07] Transporting that to the US meta might be a bit difficult,

[00:33:09] but he's an absolute star.

[00:33:11] That's what he said.

[00:33:11] He's doing the hair flip.

[00:33:12] So he's working.

[00:33:14] Oh,

[00:33:15] with the hair flip?

[00:33:15] And that,

[00:33:16] is that the only part of the Ferris game we felt like Andy has brought so far?

[00:33:21] What,

[00:33:22] where else do we see the Ferris game and what Andy's doing?

[00:33:24] He's a great narrator.

[00:33:25] He's a huge smiling assassin.

[00:33:27] He's going to be a smile.

[00:33:28] Exactly.

[00:33:29] Andy told me,

[00:33:30] um,

[00:33:30] when he came back,

[00:33:31] he messaged me and he said that he had been listening to the deep dives a lot in the pregame.

[00:33:35] So that was what was in his head.

[00:33:37] You know what?

[00:33:39] I will say there is,

[00:33:40] there is a glimpse.

[00:33:41] There is a glimpse for a second where,

[00:33:44] um,

[00:33:46] him and Rachel,

[00:33:47] him and Rachel,

[00:33:48] like they never works together.

[00:33:49] And all of a sudden he's like,

[00:33:50] let's work together.

[00:33:50] Let's do it.

[00:33:51] Like,

[00:33:51] I don't care.

[00:33:52] Like we,

[00:33:52] we tried to,

[00:33:53] we stopped each other over.

[00:33:54] Let's just do it.

[00:33:55] So his openness,

[00:33:57] incredible.

[00:33:58] His ability to use things other than his words to gain trust.

[00:34:02] Like he's shot in the dark at one point.

[00:34:04] He's doing it.

[00:34:05] He's getting creative with the way he's building trust rather than just speaking.

[00:34:09] So I'm loving Andy's like really interesting game.

[00:34:13] And Rachel's another fan of international survival.

[00:34:15] I wonder if they spoke about Titans for rebels on the beach.

[00:34:17] They probably did.

[00:34:18] Um,

[00:34:19] can you imagine if.

[00:34:20] At that point?

[00:34:21] I don't,

[00:34:21] I was actually.

[00:34:22] They,

[00:34:23] they,

[00:34:23] they,

[00:34:23] when they were in the pregame,

[00:34:24] they were listening to the deep dives.

[00:34:25] So that's,

[00:34:26] they just finished it.

[00:34:27] Literally just finished Titans for rebels when they went out.

[00:34:28] So when would they have filmed it?

[00:34:31] Like only.

[00:34:31] They filmed it like April.

[00:34:33] Or like,

[00:34:33] yeah.

[00:34:34] Yeah.

[00:34:34] Yeah.

[00:34:35] I didn't realize they filmed it.

[00:34:37] Yeah.

[00:34:39] Because they do two at the same time.

[00:34:40] So this was the first one.

[00:34:41] And then they also filmed 48 for next year.

[00:34:44] But imagine if you and Kirby had one of your many conversations,

[00:34:47] but we should work together.

[00:34:48] And then they did like a flashback to your whole relationship,

[00:34:50] but it took 40 minutes.

[00:34:52] Like that's the whole episode.

[00:34:54] It's like,

[00:34:54] you guys are narrating what has happened.

[00:34:57] Yeah.

[00:34:58] It's been a lot.

[00:34:59] It's too much to do that.

[00:35:00] Um,

[00:35:00] but yeah,

[00:35:01] I'm really interested in like kind of Andy and Rachel's position.

[00:35:03] Cause I like for both of them that they were brought in and they didn't

[00:35:07] necessarily numerically need to be brought in,

[00:35:08] especially Rachel at the point where she has a little majority with Andy.

[00:35:12] Um,

[00:35:13] I will say like for Andy,

[00:35:15] I'm okay.

[00:35:16] Kind of if he had the power.

[00:35:18] And again,

[00:35:18] I think he's kind of being brought into a plan he has to go with,

[00:35:20] but like if he had the power,

[00:35:22] um,

[00:35:23] even like later on,

[00:35:24] maybe you say it's more of a swing between this,

[00:35:25] like to plan,

[00:35:26] but Rachel never even seemed to like really be brought in on the

[00:35:29] to plan,

[00:35:30] uh,

[00:35:31] until a bit later.

[00:35:32] So it was all contingent of Genevieve.

[00:35:33] Like they're going to Andy saying it'll be teeny Sam soul,

[00:35:37] Andy at first and Genevieve.

[00:35:38] So he knows that's,

[00:35:39] that's not a plan.

[00:35:39] So again,

[00:35:40] like is Andy really a swing in these positions?

[00:35:42] Very minorly.

[00:35:43] Um,

[00:35:43] if ever,

[00:35:44] I think,

[00:35:45] but I still think being brought on is good.

[00:35:46] I think staying with Genevieve is good.

[00:35:48] I think being adaptable,

[00:35:49] as he said,

[00:35:49] is good.

[00:35:50] Um,

[00:35:53] he's gaining a lot of confidence in his game,

[00:35:55] which is what I'm loving.

[00:35:56] I'm loving this whole transformation of Andy.

[00:35:59] It's,

[00:35:59] it's so much fun to watch.

[00:36:00] And I genuinely think he's,

[00:36:02] he's got the right head on him.

[00:36:04] Um,

[00:36:04] he's got the right ideas all the time.

[00:36:07] I don't think I could fault in these ideas,

[00:36:09] the way he executes them and communicates them with certain people and build

[00:36:13] certain relationships is when he needs to sort of start stepping up.

[00:36:16] He's got everything in here.

[00:36:18] It's everything that he has intentions of is completely genius.

[00:36:22] He should be doing all the things that he's doing.

[00:36:24] Just how he's executing it is he just needs to sort of like,

[00:36:29] um,

[00:36:31] gather his thoughts and actually communicate it and execute it a proper way.

[00:36:35] And that's what he's struggling with.

[00:36:36] And that's what Genevieve is doing incredible of.

[00:36:38] She's executing so well.

[00:36:40] She gets an idea and she suddenly executes it without it being a thing.

[00:36:45] Whereas in Andy,

[00:36:46] he's just like,

[00:36:47] I feel like he's a bit all over the place sometimes because he gets,

[00:36:50] he gets excited,

[00:36:50] but,

[00:36:51] um,

[00:36:52] he just needs to find his feet.

[00:36:53] And I think once he finds someone that he,

[00:36:55] that you can actually fully trust,

[00:36:57] someone just give the guy a chance,

[00:36:59] he'll do really well.

[00:37:00] Um,

[00:37:00] so I'm excited to see,

[00:37:02] uh,

[00:37:02] Andy's arc.

[00:37:03] Yeah.

[00:37:04] I wonder if that,

[00:37:05] that will be him and Rachel together.

[00:37:06] Like I think if anyone's going to come for Genevieve,

[00:37:08] realize the threat level and take a swipe.

[00:37:10] I mean,

[00:37:10] someone like Rachel has an idol,

[00:37:11] so has the capacity.

[00:37:12] Andy,

[00:37:12] they're both smart,

[00:37:14] super fans who are self-interested in the way that they know,

[00:37:17] you know,

[00:37:18] to put your,

[00:37:18] your game first.

[00:37:20] Um,

[00:37:20] even with the relationships,

[00:37:21] I think someone like Sue might be a little more blinded to the kind of

[00:37:24] emotions of.

[00:37:26] Yes.

[00:37:26] A relationship compared to like a Rachel and Andy,

[00:37:29] which I don't think will,

[00:37:29] even if someone like work with see with Rachel has helped her out again,

[00:37:32] I'm not sure how much she could have done.

[00:37:34] Um,

[00:37:35] but I don't think that she would be blinded by that specifically.

[00:37:37] Um,

[00:37:38] in saying that with someone like Rachel,

[00:37:39] like if she could,

[00:37:41] I would have protected soul.

[00:37:43] If she could,

[00:37:44] I wouldn't have blown up my game to do it.

[00:37:45] And she didn't,

[00:37:46] I wouldn't play my idol.

[00:37:47] Definitely.

[00:37:47] I wouldn't have even.

[00:37:49] What with her idol?

[00:37:51] No,

[00:37:52] no,

[00:37:52] no,

[00:37:52] no.

[00:37:52] It's not worth that.

[00:37:53] Like she's on,

[00:37:54] she's an underdog.

[00:37:54] She might need her idol next week.

[00:37:55] Like her idol is the most important thing in the game.

[00:37:57] If she was a swing vote choosing between two groups,

[00:37:59] I would choose soul.

[00:38:00] I would choose to keep soul,

[00:38:01] but considering she couldn't like,

[00:38:03] I,

[00:38:03] um,

[00:38:04] yeah,

[00:38:04] I think that,

[00:38:04] you know,

[00:38:05] it is,

[00:38:05] it is what it is,

[00:38:06] but like,

[00:38:06] but soul,

[00:38:07] you know,

[00:38:07] did protective in a game of like,

[00:38:09] as we're saying,

[00:38:09] fairly passive relationships from what we see,

[00:38:12] that was at least something very tangible.

[00:38:14] If she could have,

[00:38:15] I would have,

[00:38:15] but I don't think she could have.

[00:38:16] So then it becomes,

[00:38:17] so,

[00:38:17] so Genevieve tells Rachel,

[00:38:19] I don't mind it because building blocks,

[00:38:23] you know,

[00:38:23] she's kind of testing Rachel.

[00:38:24] And again,

[00:38:24] even at its worst,

[00:38:25] it still comes back to her.

[00:38:26] She's got it.

[00:38:26] So on lock Rachel tells Sam,

[00:38:29] what do you think about Rachel telling Sam?

[00:38:31] That's the other part of that.

[00:38:34] No,

[00:38:35] no,

[00:38:35] I'm against that.

[00:38:36] I'm against that.

[00:38:37] If you're listening,

[00:38:37] if you're on the bottom with someone that's on the same tribe as you or the same situation of you,

[00:38:45] like a Sarah Alex situation in like Titans versus rebels,

[00:38:48] very similar to that sense where,

[00:38:49] okay,

[00:38:49] they were both sort of,

[00:38:51] you know,

[00:38:51] together.

[00:38:52] And then now they're in a ugly spot.

[00:38:55] Choose yourself,

[00:38:55] girl,

[00:38:56] choose yourself.

[00:38:57] Don't give Sam any other information.

[00:38:58] You're both at the bottom.

[00:38:59] Like if anything,

[00:39:01] you should be under the assumption that we're still at the bottom.

[00:39:04] It could be either of us.

[00:39:05] I'm not risking my place to give Sam more information.

[00:39:08] I don't think she should.

[00:39:10] Right.

[00:39:10] But I get,

[00:39:12] at the same time,

[00:39:13] I understand that she does need to cling to some sort of ally in the game.

[00:39:18] And in that sense,

[00:39:19] it could have been Sam in that moment,

[00:39:20] but I just think she should have chosen a bit more wisely with who she shares that information with,

[00:39:25] clearly.

[00:39:26] Um,

[00:39:26] but yeah,

[00:39:27] I wouldn't have done that.

[00:39:29] Yeah.

[00:39:29] I actually don't mind it.

[00:39:31] And I'm happy to disagree here because,

[00:39:33] because,

[00:39:33] and I'll tell you why I don't mind it because I'm like,

[00:39:35] well,

[00:39:35] she's trying to make the bond with Sam.

[00:39:36] He did guess.

[00:39:37] I feel like that thing was so relatable.

[00:39:38] How often have you,

[00:39:39] it has like a friend had the tea and you're like,

[00:39:41] I'll just guess.

[00:39:41] And you like,

[00:39:46] I didn't think it was that bad for the reason of,

[00:39:48] I'm very against what Sam did in blowing it up.

[00:39:51] Like,

[00:39:51] I think he obviously misjudged and misread Sam,

[00:39:53] but I feel like Sam shouldn't have done that.

[00:39:54] So like,

[00:39:55] I back her thinking Sam shouldn't do that.

[00:39:57] And the reasons I think Sam shouldn't have done that,

[00:39:58] we should make what Rachel does.

[00:40:00] Okay.

[00:40:00] Is because firstly,

[00:40:02] you're being brought on,

[00:40:03] not even brought on.

[00:40:04] You're being told,

[00:40:05] don't even vote this way.

[00:40:06] Like we don't even need your vote.

[00:40:08] Like the toothpaste was out of the tube.

[00:40:10] Like there was nothing Sam could do.

[00:40:11] Like we,

[00:40:12] like we see,

[00:40:12] like he tries to blow it up and we can talk about what they maybe could have done,

[00:40:15] but like,

[00:40:16] whatever's happening.

[00:40:17] It is so far gone that,

[00:40:20] you know,

[00:40:22] how is he going to save soul here?

[00:40:23] And like,

[00:40:24] again,

[00:40:24] as we're saying,

[00:40:25] soul's going to people thinking people must be against him.

[00:40:27] Unless he thinks it's literally Rachel and the three,

[00:40:29] two,

[00:40:29] who's on a four,

[00:40:30] four,

[00:40:30] one,

[00:40:30] which is something I might be considering,

[00:40:32] but everyone else probably thinks that there's a majority.

[00:40:35] So like,

[00:40:35] he's going to Andy must think that Andy has had,

[00:40:37] you know,

[00:40:38] planning to vote against him.

[00:40:39] Someone like,

[00:40:40] we know Genevieve.

[00:40:41] Like it's just,

[00:40:42] it's so far gone that I don't think that Sam could actually do anything.

[00:40:44] That's the first thing.

[00:40:45] Secondly,

[00:40:46] if anything could actually be done,

[00:40:46] the thing I thought was going to happen,

[00:40:48] I thought that Genevieve would be like,

[00:40:50] screw this.

[00:40:51] This is annoying.

[00:40:51] You've ruined my plan.

[00:40:52] And now we just are going to vote for Sam.

[00:40:54] Like,

[00:40:54] I think he actually could have put himself in the line of fire for just being annoying

[00:40:57] and like an instigator in that way.

[00:40:59] So I don't think he could have done anything.

[00:41:00] I think if he's doing anything,

[00:41:01] it's possibly blowing up in his face.

[00:41:03] And thirdly,

[00:41:04] all going is not bad for Sam.

[00:41:06] You know,

[00:41:06] he says he wants revenge on Lavo.

[00:41:08] The relationship with soul seems,

[00:41:09] very new and shaky at best.

[00:41:12] And if soul goes like,

[00:41:13] yes,

[00:41:13] like leaving the,

[00:41:15] he wants,

[00:41:15] he says he wants to go for Sue,

[00:41:16] which was way too audacious,

[00:41:18] like so hard to,

[00:41:19] to save soul,

[00:41:19] let alone go for Sue.

[00:41:21] He's like,

[00:41:21] she's so insulated.

[00:41:22] That would be good.

[00:41:23] Yeah.

[00:41:23] She's insulated.

[00:41:24] So it's hard.

[00:41:25] So yeah,

[00:41:25] if it's going to be like a Kyle is an example of something easier,

[00:41:27] that might be a little more realistic.

[00:41:29] I would rather keep Kyle in and keep the cars,

[00:41:31] keep the Gabe.

[00:41:31] But someone like Sam,

[00:41:33] keep these big threats in front of you and get to a point where you've saved enough

[00:41:37] time to win out,

[00:41:38] be the underdog,

[00:41:39] sit at the final travel council with a good story.

[00:41:41] That's the Sam game.

[00:41:42] He's never to me going to have enough relationships and connections to eclipse his threat level.

[00:41:46] And he just has to buy himself time.

[00:41:48] So he can start winning challenges and get to the end as an underdog and win.

[00:41:51] And I think that soul going actually is a good buffer and like does manage his time.

[00:41:55] Well,

[00:41:56] so I wouldn't have done it for those many reasons,

[00:41:58] but anyway,

[00:41:59] what did you think?

[00:42:02] The outcome was great.

[00:42:03] I just see it as if I was in Sam's position and I was next to Rachel and I knew that I'm at the bottom and Rachel's at the bottom.

[00:42:09] And Rachel just told me something where I can take out and take advantage of and be like,

[00:42:14] Hey guys,

[00:42:15] Rachel's at the bottom and she's also doing this.

[00:42:18] She's the one you want,

[00:42:19] not me.

[00:42:19] Like that could have gone any way,

[00:42:22] depending on Sam's mood or how safe he felt.

[00:42:25] Or if he wanted to completely stuff her over,

[00:42:27] he could have done it so easily.

[00:42:28] And with great reason as well.

[00:42:30] I think just as annoying,

[00:42:32] if not more annoying.

[00:42:33] And he's a bigger threat from an immunity perspective or based on a puzzle,

[00:42:37] but like he's been the target.

[00:42:39] But when you're feeling at the bottom,

[00:42:41] you couldn't give a shit what you're doing.

[00:42:43] You're clinging onto everything and you're desperate.

[00:42:45] So it's good.

[00:42:46] It didn't go that way.

[00:42:47] I'm happy,

[00:42:48] but it just,

[00:42:49] I think it just comes down again to the type of person you're dealing with and pick and choose what you're saying.

[00:42:53] So I guess she just would have read that a lot better.

[00:42:56] And she knew Sam wouldn't really do something like that.

[00:42:58] So she trusted him with that information.

[00:43:00] That's fair.

[00:43:01] She was wrong.

[00:43:03] She was also very,

[00:43:04] very fair.

[00:43:05] But I think she was like,

[00:43:06] she was fine to be like,

[00:43:07] why,

[00:43:07] why would he do this?

[00:43:08] Like there's nothing you can do.

[00:43:09] Like I do.

[00:43:09] I like,

[00:43:10] okay.

[00:43:10] If I'm on the bottom causing chaos,

[00:43:11] fine.

[00:43:12] Breaking the majority on your terms instead of their terms is something I often vouch for.

[00:43:17] The problem is Sam didn't have the capacity to do it.

[00:43:19] You know,

[00:43:20] he,

[00:43:20] they,

[00:43:20] they couldn't do anything.

[00:43:22] Um,

[00:43:24] we can talk about it,

[00:43:25] but like they didn't achieve anything.

[00:43:26] He just went right back to the killer.

[00:43:28] It was so,

[00:43:29] it was,

[00:43:29] it was like a horror movie.

[00:43:30] Well,

[00:43:30] he's literally comes to Genevieve.

[00:43:32] It's like,

[00:43:32] someone's after me and she's the killer.

[00:43:33] It's free.

[00:43:36] So he had so little power that I just feel like maybe he,

[00:43:40] he obviously overestimated trying to go for Sue.

[00:43:42] Like it was never going to happen.

[00:43:44] And I just feel like I wouldn't have even upset the apple cart because he,

[00:43:47] again,

[00:43:48] like the only thing I think they could have saved soul was them being like,

[00:43:50] Sam's Sam's not playing ball.

[00:43:52] Like he's irritating.

[00:43:53] And he goes,

[00:43:54] um,

[00:43:55] I just feel like there was very little to gain for him and possibly more to

[00:43:58] lose.

[00:43:59] Um,

[00:43:59] so I don't blame Rachel because I don't like that.

[00:44:02] Sam did those things that connected for me.

[00:44:05] Um,

[00:44:06] yeah.

[00:44:07] Yeah.

[00:44:08] Um,

[00:44:09] but I wanted to talk about,

[00:44:09] so what could soul do at that point?

[00:44:12] So on.

[00:44:12] So the soul said in X interviews,

[00:44:13] you know,

[00:44:14] Sam still has the fake idol.

[00:44:16] Could they use a fake idol?

[00:44:19] Why Sam would give soul the fake idol when soul was the main person voting out

[00:44:22] Sierra last time.

[00:44:23] And the beginning of the episode starts with Sam being like,

[00:44:25] I'm on an anti-lava train,

[00:44:27] but apparently they had this plan.

[00:44:28] And is that something they could have done?

[00:44:30] Like what,

[00:44:30] what can soul,

[00:44:31] what,

[00:44:31] where does it go so wrong for soul and what can soul do here?

[00:44:34] That's my question.

[00:44:35] Because soul,

[00:44:35] I think was playing a great game and is now out of the game.

[00:44:39] Yeah.

[00:44:41] Yeah.

[00:44:42] His hands were tied in that man.

[00:44:43] What do you do?

[00:44:44] Like when you,

[00:44:45] in that point,

[00:44:46] his closest allies who are teeny.

[00:44:47] And then honestly cling on to teeny cling on to teeny and her

[00:44:51] relationships.

[00:44:52] Like teeny.

[00:44:53] I'm sorry,

[00:44:53] but teeny's relationships are incredible.

[00:44:55] Like that would be my last.

[00:44:56] I'd go to someone that has proper agency in the game,

[00:45:00] social capital.

[00:45:01] Look,

[00:45:01] I know her influence hasn't been incredible,

[00:45:05] but she,

[00:45:06] she's,

[00:45:07] she's,

[00:45:07] she's still in the ears.

[00:45:08] She's still the,

[00:45:09] the,

[00:45:10] you know,

[00:45:10] person on the side that's just going along with everything.

[00:45:13] So it's,

[00:45:14] it's a hard one.

[00:45:15] It's so bloody messy,

[00:45:16] but I probably would have went to teeny,

[00:45:18] hold on her heartstrings and then just.

[00:45:20] I hope.

[00:45:21] The issue with teeny.

[00:45:23] I want to.

[00:45:25] Cause well,

[00:45:25] teeny.

[00:45:26] It's so interesting.

[00:45:27] Cause.

[00:45:28] I love teeny.

[00:45:29] Watch it.

[00:45:31] I love teeny as well.

[00:45:33] And I'm like,

[00:45:33] I'm just like,

[00:45:34] where is it going wrong for teeny?

[00:45:35] Because teeny never gets their way ever.

[00:45:37] And.

[00:45:38] I don't think teeny has a bad social game,

[00:45:40] but I don't think like any of these people have bad social games.

[00:45:42] Like even the people on the bottom,

[00:45:42] like the Rachel's and like,

[00:45:43] you know,

[00:45:44] Rachel's like in almost becoming like,

[00:45:46] and I think Rachel has a lot of room left to play.

[00:45:48] And I want to talk about it.

[00:45:49] She has an idol.

[00:45:50] She's a smart player.

[00:45:51] She has been under,

[00:45:52] but there's like a secret scene where she's like,

[00:45:53] I just want people to work with me.

[00:45:55] I feel like I have no agency.

[00:45:56] And she's kind of getting to like the Jake Owen,

[00:45:58] like sentient goat.

[00:46:00] Landstate.

[00:46:00] But I think she has a lot more game to play.

[00:46:02] And I think it's way too early for that.

[00:46:04] But I don't think she has a bad social game.

[00:46:05] That's why I don't think teeny is a bad social game,

[00:46:06] but I think teeny social game.

[00:46:09] Has been.

[00:46:10] It's only served her defensively.

[00:46:12] It's been a very protective social game.

[00:46:14] It's the Genevives of the mostly Genevieve every time.

[00:46:16] Like with allies like Genevieve,

[00:46:18] you need enemies.

[00:46:19] But it's mostly Genevieve being like,

[00:46:22] you know,

[00:46:22] I care about teeny and I'm going to vote out their main ally,

[00:46:26] but not teeny.

[00:46:27] And that's,

[00:46:28] so that's the social game of being protected,

[00:46:31] but not having the agency.

[00:46:33] Like teeny since the very beginning has not been able to enact what they want.

[00:46:37] And it's so hard for me because it's like,

[00:46:39] if I was teeny,

[00:46:41] I'm like in a perfect world,

[00:46:42] you probably want to get ahead of it.

[00:46:43] Like swipe at someone like a Genevieve who will protect you,

[00:46:46] but not enough to actually ever give you what you want.

[00:46:50] And who was like completely diminished your agency and your options.

[00:46:53] But the thing is now you don't have the agency and the options to do it.

[00:46:55] So that's the issue.

[00:46:56] It's like,

[00:46:56] because your agency has been diminished,

[00:46:58] you should make a move.

[00:46:59] I think this is always the issue with being in the bottom.

[00:47:01] You should make a move possibly to take the,

[00:47:04] to take a hit,

[00:47:05] but you can't because you don't have the power.

[00:47:08] That's the problem.

[00:47:09] And that is a cycle.

[00:47:10] Do you think she's aware that she,

[00:47:13] she's quite comfortably in the social group,

[00:47:16] like in a defensive way,

[00:47:17] obviously,

[00:47:17] but as in she,

[00:47:19] can we agree that she's kind of untouchable at the moment?

[00:47:21] Like nobody's really talking about me.

[00:47:24] Nobody.

[00:47:24] Teenie's not happy with their position at all.

[00:47:26] If I know Teenie,

[00:47:27] which I think I do.

[00:47:29] I feel like Teenie is like hating this.

[00:47:32] Like Teenie,

[00:47:33] like she's like always at the,

[00:47:35] at the whims of someone else.

[00:47:36] Usually Genevieve,

[00:47:37] that's a horrible position to be like,

[00:47:38] sure.

[00:47:39] Okay.

[00:47:39] You like me enough to keep me,

[00:47:40] but what about when you choose not to?

[00:47:42] But I think she's aware that,

[00:47:43] that she might not be the butt of everything.

[00:47:46] Her,

[00:47:46] her closest allies might be,

[00:47:47] but I think she's aware that she has some skin in the game with some

[00:47:51] people and that she might be a bit safer compared to her allies.

[00:47:55] Would you not say?

[00:47:56] Well,

[00:47:56] definitely.

[00:47:57] But her allies out the door,

[00:47:58] that's still a pretty low bar.

[00:47:59] Like.

[00:48:02] Yeah.

[00:48:03] Well,

[00:48:03] I'm just saying if Tuku goes last week,

[00:48:04] which was Teenie's want,

[00:48:07] this is a whole different ball game.

[00:48:08] Then Teenie's in the middle of something really clear here with Lavo and

[00:48:11] Gata.

[00:48:12] But now if anything,

[00:48:13] she has not wanted to work with the Tuku the whole time.

[00:48:15] And they have been empowered through every time they're still intact.

[00:48:18] So.

[00:48:20] I don't think,

[00:48:21] I don't see where Teenie has the agency to help solve because I don't

[00:48:24] think that Teenie has the power and the options right now because Teenie

[00:48:27] has been,

[00:48:28] it's compounded over weeks.

[00:48:30] Like Teenie has been depowered,

[00:48:31] depowered,

[00:48:33] never getting their way.

[00:48:34] And like,

[00:48:34] you have to acquiesce because you don't want to like cause a whole thing.

[00:48:38] You don't have the power anyway to do it.

[00:48:39] So you have to take the shot possibly and be that big,

[00:48:42] but you don't have the power to take the shot.

[00:48:43] And now you're like in like a little bit of like survivor jail,

[00:48:46] just like hoping people don't like choose you as the next thing to,

[00:48:48] to kick off the show.

[00:48:49] Is this how you take your shot as Teenie moving forward?

[00:48:51] How you take your shot as Teenie moving forward is approaching the men.

[00:48:57] In the middle of the night,

[00:48:58] you approach the men.

[00:48:59] And you sound like that's what you do.

[00:49:04] The failing of the women's Alliance has like,

[00:49:09] is like a really good indication of where Teenie's game has been as the main

[00:49:13] proponent of like never wanting that to happen and losing it every single

[00:49:17] week.

[00:49:18] Yeah.

[00:49:19] I think Teenie needs to rebuild some options very,

[00:49:23] very quickly.

[00:49:24] And I think she's closing a lot of doors for herself.

[00:49:27] I know, I know that they're then, you know,

[00:49:29] she really wants this female Alliance and it doesn't have to come now.

[00:49:35] You know, you don't speak to people that,

[00:49:37] that you need votes first.

[00:49:38] And then once numbers start to, you know, crunch down,

[00:49:40] then make whatever female Alliance you want.

[00:49:43] At the moment,

[00:49:43] I just feel like it's,

[00:49:44] it's too early for all those things to be happening to like,

[00:49:48] sort of close your mind off working with,

[00:49:50] with certain people.

[00:49:52] I don't know.

[00:49:52] Well, I don't think that it was closed off.

[00:49:53] It was more just like, if we have an option,

[00:49:55] I would rather keep not because of things Teenie also got on best with the

[00:49:58] women.

[00:49:58] So yes, I'd rather keep the women who I am getting on.

[00:50:01] Well, Sierra,

[00:50:02] she had a great relationship with and lost that as an option,

[00:50:05] as an ally, as a number.

[00:50:06] So if I were Teenie and I do think,

[00:50:09] I think that like, yeah,

[00:50:10] Teenie has been losing power since I think Teenie gave away power at the Asia

[00:50:14] vote.

[00:50:14] And I think Genevieve has been outplaying great players and someone like a

[00:50:17] soul and a Teenie to the point where now Teenie is very diminished.

[00:50:21] And now kind of has to start again almost.

[00:50:23] But I think for Teenie,

[00:50:24] like if Teenie could be brought into the,

[00:50:27] you know,

[00:50:28] smart,

[00:50:28] self-interested super fan group with Rachel and Andy,

[00:50:31] who know that Genevieve needs to go at a point,

[00:50:33] like working with Genevieve,

[00:50:34] but also wary of Genevieve and are going to take the time to,

[00:50:37] and to like do something against Genevieve.

[00:50:39] That's the group.

[00:50:40] So that needs to be the thing.

[00:50:41] But again,

[00:50:41] we see them all as connected to Genevieve as like the nucleus.

[00:50:44] So it's about getting rid of that and having something on the side of,

[00:50:49] of Genevieve against Genevieve at a point.

[00:50:51] And I think that's the move.

[00:50:52] And Genevieve's teeth are so sunken into so many people that it's almost impossible for information to escape her.

[00:50:59] And we saw that literally.

[00:51:01] Yeah,

[00:51:01] exactly.

[00:51:02] At least,

[00:51:03] you know what?

[00:51:04] Yeah.

[00:51:05] If plans do get out,

[00:51:06] they get out.

[00:51:07] But you know what?

[00:51:07] At least,

[00:51:08] you know,

[00:51:09] that it's coming back to you regardless like that.

[00:51:11] That's the thing that she should be comfortable with.

[00:51:14] What she should be worried about is if the information didn't come back to her and then people still talk to her.

[00:51:20] That means she doesn't have any control.

[00:51:21] But we can see in this game,

[00:51:22] this episode that she's got all the control.

[00:51:25] She's getting in everyone's ears and people are coming to her with information,

[00:51:29] which is the best position you can be in Survivor.

[00:51:31] It's just a matter of,

[00:51:32] are you going to maintain this high or are you just going to come crashing down next episode?

[00:51:37] Yeah.

[00:51:38] And I think that's the thing with Genevieve.

[00:51:39] It's like,

[00:51:39] yeah,

[00:51:39] she's way out in front and that should mean that she's getting taken down,

[00:51:44] but it requires people who are more connected to her than they are to each other to put that aside,

[00:51:49] yet come to each other,

[00:51:50] be like,

[00:51:50] this is the thing and all work together against her.

[00:51:52] That does happen in the new era.

[00:51:54] Soul had connections.

[00:51:54] But again,

[00:51:55] I think someone like Genevieve was really working on eroding those connections and like painting it on him.

[00:51:59] So someone has to be very anti-Genevieve and have the social capital more than Genevieve's extreme social capital to pull it off.

[00:52:05] It's possible,

[00:52:06] but it's hard.

[00:52:07] And that's what I'm vouching.

[00:52:08] Like,

[00:52:08] that's why I'm vouching for Genevieve in being able to protect against that as so much more powerful than people who are trying to do that.

[00:52:14] But it might happen at a point,

[00:52:15] but I do think she has,

[00:52:16] again,

[00:52:17] more runway on that than most people would.

[00:52:19] But a few things here,

[00:52:21] a few questions.

[00:52:22] So,

[00:52:22] okay.

[00:52:22] So going back to soul.

[00:52:23] So do we think is,

[00:52:24] I think I kind of like this move with this move with Sam on the fake idol.

[00:52:29] Do we think,

[00:52:30] because it ends up being a unanimous vote.

[00:52:32] They don't split the vote.

[00:52:33] They were never splitting the vote.

[00:52:34] This is interesting to me because they did technically at a point,

[00:52:37] we saw the main numbers be a six to three and they weren't splitting for someone like Genevieve.

[00:52:43] Maybe she thinks it possibly bounces back on like a Kyle anyway.

[00:52:47] Sue becomes a bit of a name,

[00:52:47] but if Kyle can be,

[00:52:48] I mean,

[00:52:48] I think that's fine.

[00:52:49] Maybe she does want to,

[00:52:50] you know,

[00:52:51] obviously make a split target on someone like teeny could have been a,

[00:52:54] Sam split target.

[00:52:56] Maybe it's just too chaotic,

[00:52:57] a bit too late,

[00:52:58] a bit too antisocial,

[00:52:59] a bit,

[00:53:00] yeah,

[00:53:00] a bit too scary when the numbers are this vague.

[00:53:06] I,

[00:53:06] I,

[00:53:06] I think it's,

[00:53:08] it's risky,

[00:53:08] but I also,

[00:53:10] you know,

[00:53:11] admire Jen's very social gameplay.

[00:53:13] That is not going to split as much,

[00:53:15] but there's no split.

[00:53:16] So if there's an idol,

[00:53:18] it is possible.

[00:53:19] I think that they shift the vote away from soul.

[00:53:22] Maybe to Sam actually,

[00:53:23] ironically,

[00:53:23] but is this,

[00:53:24] is this the move for soul to use the fake idol here?

[00:53:27] Oh,

[00:53:27] I don't know if it is honestly,

[00:53:29] why didn't Rachel just play an idol for soul and get Genevieve out?

[00:53:33] That would have been a terrible move.

[00:53:35] That would have been like,

[00:53:35] wow.

[00:53:36] But like,

[00:53:37] yeah,

[00:53:37] let's like protect a minority.

[00:53:40] I know.

[00:53:41] Like Rachel,

[00:53:41] he's not that idol.

[00:53:42] Rachel is going to protect herself with that.

[00:53:45] I don't one day.

[00:53:45] Like that's going to be,

[00:53:46] and that's going to be a great.

[00:53:47] And I think like,

[00:53:48] if you're Rachel,

[00:53:49] you don't have,

[00:53:50] you haven't had enough,

[00:53:52] you know,

[00:53:52] relationship options in the game to this point to protect someone as much as

[00:53:56] soul helps her.

[00:53:56] Like the idol is your best ally and you just keep that in your pocket.

[00:54:00] But,

[00:54:01] but,

[00:54:01] but a fake idol could at least shift the target from soul,

[00:54:03] but I guess maybe just never panned out.

[00:54:05] That might be where I go.

[00:54:06] Rock in the pocket.

[00:54:08] You know what?

[00:54:09] It's so scary planning a fake anything like it is.

[00:54:12] Cause if you get caught out,

[00:54:13] that's it.

[00:54:14] You're,

[00:54:14] you're absolutely done.

[00:54:16] So we,

[00:54:17] yeah,

[00:54:18] it takes a lot of,

[00:54:18] a lot of harder balls to like go along with a fake plan and then just act

[00:54:24] like everything's completely fine when you're crapping yourself,

[00:54:27] because if something goes wrong,

[00:54:28] you're going home.

[00:54:29] So I,

[00:54:30] I don't blame them if,

[00:54:31] if that was just too much for them to handle,

[00:54:34] because it's a lot,

[00:54:34] it's,

[00:54:34] it's actually a lot and you need to be a great liar in the moment.

[00:54:37] And that tribal council,

[00:54:39] you are crapping yourself.

[00:54:40] So yeah.

[00:54:41] Yeah.

[00:54:42] We also like very close to travel council and all of this was happening.

[00:54:45] I do think I like,

[00:54:46] I was crediting like these socialness,

[00:54:49] but now I'm thinking like with six votes,

[00:54:51] it's not like,

[00:54:51] you know where all the votes are.

[00:54:53] Like,

[00:54:53] I think maybe they should have tried to split the vote.

[00:54:57] Yeah.

[00:54:57] But it doesn't seem like that's the style of,

[00:54:59] of this season much either.

[00:55:01] It's very chaotic.

[00:55:03] That's not really Genevieve style.

[00:55:05] Yeah.

[00:55:05] Yeah.

[00:55:05] I think if you're splitting on Sam and soul,

[00:55:08] that is pretty good.

[00:55:09] You are giving a lot of power to like,

[00:55:11] again,

[00:55:11] Andy and Rachel to be true swings at that point and just like ruin it on

[00:55:15] their own reverse plurality vote.

[00:55:17] But I feel like Genevieve style is to just blindside,

[00:55:20] right?

[00:55:20] Like Genevieve still blindside soul.

[00:55:22] Even in amongst us,

[00:55:23] that's what's crazy to me.

[00:55:24] Like soul doesn't play shot on the dark.

[00:55:25] Like soul was still blindsided even within all of that.

[00:55:28] That's a credit Genevieve.

[00:55:29] And that's,

[00:55:29] I guess that's a Genevieve way.

[00:55:31] Here is an amateur question.

[00:55:33] Why doesn't soul just say,

[00:55:35] Hey,

[00:55:35] shot in the dark.

[00:55:36] Can I play it?

[00:55:37] Bullshit stuff.

[00:55:38] Soul.

[00:55:39] I think really should have played a shot in the dark.

[00:55:41] And I know that it's so easy because yeah.

[00:55:43] Like I think that that like,

[00:55:44] it's easy from my couch to be like,

[00:55:47] clearly he unanimously voted out.

[00:55:49] It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be like,

[00:55:51] probably should have played a shot in the dark,

[00:55:52] but from soul.

[00:55:54] Saying that to him.

[00:55:57] Yeah.

[00:55:58] Well,

[00:55:58] that was,

[00:55:59] I want to talk about teeny because teeny told soul that Genevieve had come

[00:56:02] up with a anti,

[00:56:03] the anti soul plan at tribal,

[00:56:05] but then was like,

[00:56:05] don't vote for Genevieve.

[00:56:06] And I want to talk about that because should teeny be saying like,

[00:56:09] maybe not that,

[00:56:10] because that's a lot of information.

[00:56:11] And then teeny was scared that he would vote for Genevieve.

[00:56:14] And then that would come back on teeny.

[00:56:15] But like,

[00:56:16] maybe teeny should be like,

[00:56:16] this is really dicey.

[00:56:17] I think you should play a shot in the dark.

[00:56:19] But the thing with soul is he thinks if it's going to be the original plan

[00:56:23] and now like all the names are out there and Gabe is saying he's voting

[00:56:26] Kyle,

[00:56:26] but like he might think it's him,

[00:56:30] Sam,

[00:56:31] teeny,

[00:56:32] Andy,

[00:56:33] and Genevieve.

[00:56:34] Genevieve.

[00:56:34] I mean,

[00:56:35] he's heard the Genevieve was against him.

[00:56:36] So if he thinks that,

[00:56:37] but he thinks it might be those five against four.

[00:56:40] And then.

[00:56:42] He needs his vote.

[00:56:43] He can't play shot on the dark.

[00:56:44] Now,

[00:56:44] two weeks ago,

[00:56:45] I would have said he should do it anyway.

[00:56:47] And then they're five,

[00:56:49] four wins on a four,

[00:56:50] three revote.

[00:56:51] But as of last week,

[00:56:52] we know that's not true.

[00:56:53] And it would have gone back to a four,

[00:56:54] four revote.

[00:56:54] The revote rules are different,

[00:56:55] but I still think relying on your numbers when you're new,

[00:57:00] heard your name and you know,

[00:57:01] some call is coming from inside the house.

[00:57:04] I think you,

[00:57:05] I,

[00:57:05] I,

[00:57:05] am I being too harsh to be like,

[00:57:06] how did he not play shot in the dark here?

[00:57:08] Like,

[00:57:08] how did he trust anyone?

[00:57:10] I'm confused about it.

[00:57:12] Well,

[00:57:12] yeah,

[00:57:13] yeah.

[00:57:13] You're right.

[00:57:13] I,

[00:57:14] I don't know how,

[00:57:15] but again,

[00:57:15] it could have been just one of those things in the moment.

[00:57:18] Like he seems like he was just,

[00:57:19] he gets scattered very easily.

[00:57:21] Like if someone says something to him,

[00:57:24] he,

[00:57:24] you can tell he's,

[00:57:25] his mind starts to wander off.

[00:57:27] So honestly,

[00:57:28] I genuinely think just in the moment,

[00:57:30] he was just like,

[00:57:31] he was just so confused.

[00:57:33] There's so many conversations happening.

[00:57:34] He was so focused on just not getting voted out rather than just.

[00:57:38] So I genuinely think it was just a slip up.

[00:57:42] Who knows?

[00:57:44] Well,

[00:57:45] there was so many red flags.

[00:57:46] It's like,

[00:57:46] yeah,

[00:57:46] the fact that like you can't agree on Sue and Carl is because most people

[00:57:49] don't care because it's not the vote.

[00:57:51] I think that's a big one.

[00:57:52] I think the fact that you don't know where the majority,

[00:57:54] assuming it was a majority was coming for you from who,

[00:57:58] where are the votes?

[00:57:59] Who were the votes coming from?

[00:58:01] That something is completely not right.

[00:58:03] Like if you're at tribal council and you have a set of eyes and you just

[00:58:07] watch them long enough,

[00:58:08] it was very obvious.

[00:58:09] I'm sure it would have been very obvious where it would have been going

[00:58:13] with the people getting up and speaking.

[00:58:15] And it says a lot from our couch.

[00:58:18] We're all confused where the votes going because it's all theatrics.

[00:58:20] But in that moment,

[00:58:21] when you were there and you're just watching everyone get up and speak and like

[00:58:25] for a good 40 minutes,

[00:58:26] I'm pretty sure you can end up coming to a conclusion,

[00:58:29] you know,

[00:58:29] after that 40 minutes.

[00:58:31] I would think.

[00:58:33] Cause Teeny literally said to Saul,

[00:58:34] apparently Genevieve came up with a plan against you.

[00:58:37] Who were the forwards that he thinks he's attaching to that makes his

[00:58:39] look so pivotal?

[00:58:41] And not to sort of pivot away just slightly going back to Rachel.

[00:58:46] See,

[00:58:46] this is why Rachel is such a great player because she,

[00:58:49] she played the short and in the dark,

[00:58:51] but then the second she did,

[00:58:53] she immediately watched everyone.

[00:58:55] And that is what you should be doing,

[00:58:58] especially at a tribal that's so bloody animated and everything's going on.

[00:59:02] She immediately watched everyone and realized nobody flinched and she was

[00:59:05] safe.

[00:59:05] And that's what Saul should have been doing.

[00:59:08] That's what a lot of the people should have been doing.

[00:59:10] And you're just watching them because I guarantee you one little slip up

[00:59:14] would have given something away.

[00:59:15] You just needed to be observant enough.

[00:59:17] That's all it is.

[00:59:18] Yeah.

[00:59:19] I think it's an indictment on Saul that every other player got wind of it

[00:59:23] to make it unanimous.

[00:59:24] And he still didn't know to play Sean in the dark.

[00:59:25] Like I think that there's enough there that it got so crazy that like

[00:59:29] everything came out and Saul still was relying on people who were never

[00:59:35] with him,

[00:59:35] let alone at that point,

[00:59:36] even his closest allies had jumped ship to the unanimous vote.

[00:59:39] So,

[00:59:40] I mean,

[00:59:40] I hate to be too harsh on it,

[00:59:41] but like,

[00:59:42] it does seem really clear.

[00:59:43] Play it.

[00:59:44] But in saying that,

[00:59:46] I will say,

[00:59:48] not to go back to my season,

[00:59:50] but the Eileen vote off was in my face as well.

[00:59:53] Like every,

[00:59:54] like I've spoken to a bunch of people and I just didn't see that Eileen was

[00:59:58] getting gunned for when he was right in front of me.

[01:00:01] Um,

[01:00:01] it's just in that moment,

[01:00:02] you just,

[01:00:03] sometimes you just don't see things.

[01:00:05] Um,

[01:00:06] so I'll give all that credit.

[01:00:07] See me from the couch.

[01:00:09] Also,

[01:00:09] I'm realizing that earlier I was like,

[01:00:11] you were like doing for that.

[01:00:12] You're an allies.

[01:00:13] I'm like,

[01:00:13] but you did it.

[01:00:13] I was thinking you voted up Eileen,

[01:00:15] but you didn't,

[01:00:15] you were a loyal person.

[01:00:16] I mischaracterized you.

[01:00:19] Very loyal.

[01:00:20] I did what everyone on your season did saying that you voted.

[01:00:23] No,

[01:00:23] you were so loyal.

[01:00:24] I hate myself.

[01:00:25] That's not what happened.

[01:00:28] Everyone's just,

[01:00:28] just gunning for me.

[01:00:30] The fact that you were like,

[01:00:32] you shouldn't vote out your allies.

[01:00:33] I'm like,

[01:00:33] but you did.

[01:00:33] And you're like,

[01:00:34] no,

[01:00:34] I didn't.

[01:00:35] Oh my God.

[01:00:35] When is the narrative going to stop?

[01:00:37] No.

[01:00:37] Okay.

[01:00:38] You're right.

[01:00:39] Um,

[01:00:39] yeah,

[01:00:40] I think,

[01:00:40] I think,

[01:00:41] should,

[01:00:41] should,

[01:00:42] so should Teenie go to soul and be like,

[01:00:44] cause Teenie knows that souls of it.

[01:00:46] I think saying Genevieve was the name at that point was too much

[01:00:48] information,

[01:00:49] but,

[01:00:49] but should Teenie say soul?

[01:00:50] I don't know what's going on.

[01:00:51] I do not trust these numbers.

[01:00:52] Just play your shot in the dark.

[01:00:54] Should Teenie at least give soul that?

[01:00:55] Yes,

[01:00:56] yes,

[01:00:56] yes,

[01:00:57] yes.

[01:00:57] I'm sorry.

[01:00:58] I'm sorry,

[01:00:58] Teenie.

[01:00:59] I love you so much,

[01:01:00] but if you're going to cry for soul,

[01:01:01] you can tell him to at least play your shot in the dark.

[01:01:03] Play your shot in the dark.

[01:01:04] I agree.

[01:01:06] I agree.

[01:01:07] I agree.

[01:01:07] I think like,

[01:01:08] and,

[01:01:08] and like,

[01:01:09] I guess the concern is like,

[01:01:11] if everyone's voting soul on a unanimous re-vote,

[01:01:13] Teenie might be an option.

[01:01:14] I still think Sam,

[01:01:15] then Kyle,

[01:01:15] then Teenie,

[01:01:16] but,

[01:01:17] um,

[01:01:18] vote for Kyle.

[01:01:19] You know,

[01:01:19] Kyle was meant to be a vote.

[01:01:20] If like,

[01:01:21] have that be the one vote,

[01:01:22] just like,

[01:01:23] it's not even that bad.

[01:01:24] Why didn't Teenie say something?

[01:01:26] It's like,

[01:01:27] play your shot in the dark.

[01:01:28] You genuinely think people just missed that and completely forgot about it.

[01:01:31] Maybe Teenie thought it was obvious.

[01:01:33] Maybe Teenie thought that they didn't have to like explicitly tell soul to do it.

[01:01:36] And it wasn't looking good.

[01:01:38] I don't,

[01:01:38] I think that Teenie should be like,

[01:01:39] soul,

[01:01:40] the numbers are not here.

[01:01:41] Play your shot in the dark.

[01:01:42] And then I think Teenie should vote for Kyle,

[01:01:44] which was a plan anyway.

[01:01:45] And like,

[01:01:45] he'll still probably be in the game and it's whatever.

[01:01:47] Like Kyle doesn't seem super vindictive and had been a target and it's not working with Teenie.

[01:01:50] It's fine.

[01:01:52] And if souls shot in the dark hits,

[01:01:54] then Kyle goes home and it's not,

[01:01:56] we don't even take it to a revert.

[01:01:58] And you have a 16.666% of your number one ally staying.

[01:02:02] And I think for Teenie.

[01:02:03] Yeah.

[01:02:04] Like even as a shield,

[01:02:05] you know,

[01:02:05] like for sure you want soul in the game.

[01:02:08] So I think that was a miss.

[01:02:10] I don't know.

[01:02:11] Yeah.

[01:02:11] I will say Teenie is downfall is that she's genuinely happy to be everyone's friend.

[01:02:19] I don't,

[01:02:19] I think,

[01:02:20] I think Teenie is too worried about upsetting people or,

[01:02:25] or because you can see after every vote,

[01:02:27] she's always explaining herself.

[01:02:29] She's,

[01:02:29] she's never really in the mix of like suggesting,

[01:02:33] like she just wants to be everyone's friend.

[01:02:35] You can tell,

[01:02:35] but I think that will be Teenie's downfall.

[01:02:37] I think Teenie now needs to get aggressive and to start coming up with plans,

[01:02:41] start swiping.

[01:02:42] Like you said,

[01:02:43] she needs to get in the game.

[01:02:47] Yeah.

[01:02:48] With now extremely diminished capital that will make that incredibly tough.

[01:02:53] I was going to say tough.

[01:02:54] Then I said hard.

[01:02:54] Then I said both.

[01:02:55] It's going to be tough and hard.

[01:02:57] And I think Teenie needs to start rebuilding from now.

[01:03:00] Cause I,

[01:03:00] yeah,

[01:03:01] I don't see what the options are.

[01:03:02] I think it's a,

[01:03:03] it's a whole new tact with whole new allies.

[01:03:05] Allies and the coalition needs to start now.

[01:03:10] Um,

[01:03:11] we can't keep going this way.

[01:03:12] Can't just be acquiescing to power,

[01:03:13] allowing allies to go home,

[01:03:15] getting in with the group again,

[01:03:16] hoping defensively that you aren't the target,

[01:03:19] having your social game protect you.

[01:03:20] I think it needs to be more building,

[01:03:22] more active,

[01:03:23] more offensive.

[01:03:23] I think this will be tough.

[01:03:25] Cause I think Teenie starting from pretty much ground zero on that.

[01:03:27] Um,

[01:03:28] a couple of questions here.

[01:03:30] Okay.

[01:03:30] So like,

[01:03:31] so Rachel,

[01:03:31] so Rachel turning on soul.

[01:03:32] There's no good deed.

[01:03:33] It was unpunished,

[01:03:34] right?

[01:03:34] Yes.

[01:03:34] Um,

[01:03:36] do we feel like,

[01:03:37] cause last week,

[01:03:38] Tara and I debated at length,

[01:03:39] like would Rachel be pissed off at soul for not cluing her into the Sierra vote?

[01:03:44] Or would Rachel still be grateful to soul for saving her once and getting the,

[01:03:49] you know,

[01:03:49] possible vote of her last week compared to Sierra.

[01:03:51] Do you feel like Rachel here was like,

[01:03:53] screw soul?

[01:03:53] Or do you think that Rachel just couldn't save soul?

[01:03:56] Like,

[01:03:56] did Rachel want soul or not?

[01:03:58] Yeah.

[01:03:59] I think she just couldn't save soul.

[01:04:00] I think she was at that point where she's like,

[01:04:02] honestly,

[01:04:02] I was at the bottom of my striable.

[01:04:04] I'm just going to go with anything that will help me in the end.

[01:04:06] And at this point,

[01:04:07] if I try saving soul,

[01:04:09] I'm making myself more known and be this other person that keeps pushing back.

[01:04:12] And I'm already at the bottom.

[01:04:13] I don't want to be that person.

[01:04:14] I'll bet soul.

[01:04:15] I think.

[01:04:17] I do agree.

[01:04:17] I think that's what happened.

[01:04:19] I'd love to talk about,

[01:04:20] to talk about Tuku.

[01:04:22] Because.

[01:04:24] This is so interesting to me.

[01:04:25] I feel like,

[01:04:27] again,

[01:04:27] I feel like this move is only tenable because Tuku are not united.

[01:04:31] Yes.

[01:04:31] But I was thinking,

[01:04:32] can you imagine the game right now?

[01:04:35] If they were doing exactly what they're doing,

[01:04:37] telling everyone playing exactly the same way,

[01:04:39] but in confessional,

[01:04:40] we're telling us,

[01:04:41] like,

[01:04:41] I don't actually want to get rid of Kyle.

[01:04:42] I don't care that he voted for me two weeks ago.

[01:04:44] Like,

[01:04:45] we're actually Tuku strong.

[01:04:46] And when we get to eight,

[01:04:47] you're going to hear about it.

[01:04:48] And we're going to be the majority.

[01:04:49] I would be like,

[01:04:50] that is so baller.

[01:04:51] Like they,

[01:04:51] it would be like the Reba four.

[01:04:52] Like it would be all the,

[01:04:53] even the Taku four.

[01:04:55] In 42,

[01:04:56] that no one knew was a four until they started getting the majority and then had all the power.

[01:04:59] That would be epic.

[01:05:00] But then they're telling us in confessional to like really wants Kyle out.

[01:05:04] And I hate this because I feel like,

[01:05:05] why do you still care?

[01:05:06] Kyle could not be more innocuous.

[01:05:08] The fact that it's like Kyle,

[01:05:10] and then you cut to Kyle and he's just being like the most,

[01:05:12] passive,

[01:05:13] like completely fine.

[01:05:14] Like hilarious.

[01:05:16] I know.

[01:05:17] So can I ask is,

[01:05:19] when did,

[01:05:20] did this start from when I actually think it started from,

[01:05:24] from like episode two that Sue's just going to play?

[01:05:26] It was when,

[01:05:27] it was when Kyle voted for Sue and they voted out TK.

[01:05:32] That's insane to me.

[01:05:34] Yeah.

[01:05:34] So long ago.

[01:05:36] That's,

[01:05:37] that's insane.

[01:05:38] Um,

[01:05:39] yeah,

[01:05:40] just let it go.

[01:05:41] That's going to,

[01:05:41] you see,

[01:05:41] again,

[01:05:42] she's so laser focused.

[01:05:43] The thing with Sue is number one,

[01:05:46] she's laser focused on getting someone else.

[01:05:48] And number two,

[01:05:49] her game is completely tied to another person.

[01:05:52] Completely.

[01:05:52] If Gabe is out,

[01:05:54] then I,

[01:05:55] she said herself,

[01:05:56] she's going to be lost.

[01:05:57] She doesn't know.

[01:05:57] So at the moment she's in a pretty okay spot,

[01:06:02] but I think she needs to change something.

[01:06:05] She needs to shift her target from,

[01:06:06] from Kyle.

[01:06:07] She needs to start working with Kyle.

[01:06:08] Maybe I think genuinely if I was Sue,

[01:06:12] yeah,

[01:06:12] go to Kyle.

[01:06:13] Let's put this bad blood behind us or whatever.

[01:06:16] I'm done with this.

[01:06:17] Let's actually work together.

[01:06:19] Kyle would be like,

[01:06:20] what bad blood?

[01:06:24] It's so one-sided.

[01:06:25] Like,

[01:06:26] I feel like Sue would be like,

[01:06:27] Kyle,

[01:06:28] I forgive you.

[01:06:29] He'd be like,

[01:06:30] when were you mad at me?

[01:06:32] Like,

[01:06:32] for what?

[01:06:34] Who is PK?

[01:06:35] What do we,

[01:06:35] I don't even remember what you're talking about.

[01:06:38] Yeah.

[01:06:39] Okay.

[01:06:39] So,

[01:06:40] yeah.

[01:06:41] Poor thing.

[01:06:42] But you're right.

[01:06:42] It would have been,

[01:06:43] it could have been something really,

[01:06:44] really great,

[01:06:45] but yeah,

[01:06:46] Sue's just that player that just can't,

[01:06:47] I don't think she would be able to shake it,

[01:06:49] to be honest.

[01:06:50] She would.

[01:06:50] Yeah.

[01:06:51] Once that.

[01:06:52] Once Kyle.

[01:06:53] We got a question in the question thread and someone was,

[01:06:55] like,

[01:06:56] if Tuku get the,

[01:06:57] you know,

[01:06:58] majority,

[01:06:59] or I guess a plurality of eight,

[01:07:00] even,

[01:07:00] um,

[01:07:01] will you podcast and start giving them credit?

[01:07:03] And I'm like,

[01:07:04] I would give them so much credit is if that was what they were doing.

[01:07:07] Like,

[01:07:07] if that's what they were trying to get to,

[01:07:08] but they're not a Tuku for,

[01:07:10] keep telling.

[01:07:11] If they were in confessional,

[01:07:12] like,

[01:07:13] yeah,

[01:07:13] we're working together and everyone thinks that we have this fracture.

[01:07:16] That would be incredible.

[01:07:17] Like,

[01:07:18] or even like Caroline is like,

[01:07:19] really like,

[01:07:20] we have to get rid of car because he's an immunity threat.

[01:07:22] Kyle is not a threat to anyone.

[01:07:24] Like you can get rid of car.

[01:07:25] I bet you,

[01:07:26] you can now play Kyle at a point.

[01:07:28] Whenever he loses again,

[01:07:29] in the three immunity challenges that he won,

[01:07:31] one was against half the group.

[01:07:32] One,

[01:07:33] he came third and one.

[01:07:35] Two,

[01:07:35] might have won,

[01:07:36] but the women was on a different thing.

[01:07:38] So all of them have at least a little bit of an asterisk.

[01:07:42] I do think that Kyle is a great challenge.

[01:07:43] Cause he clearly did well in this challenge as well,

[01:07:45] but like you'll lose and you'll get rid of him.

[01:07:47] It's fine.

[01:07:47] It's great to paint as a target.

[01:07:49] Like for Caroline to use that as a shield and for it to like,

[01:07:52] Oh,

[01:07:52] we're getting rid of one of the two coupes.

[01:07:54] Okay.

[01:07:54] At that point,

[01:07:55] let it be Kyle,

[01:07:55] but to push it on Kyle out of the group and use up your target of your own

[01:08:00] volition.

[01:08:01] I'm not into that.

[01:08:02] Like to like,

[01:08:03] it's yeah,

[01:08:04] they really need to get over the Kyle thing because he's just could not be a

[01:08:07] more chill guy.

[01:08:11] I love him.

[01:08:12] He's so much fun to watch because he's literally just in survivor.

[01:08:17] Everyone's crapping themselves and getting paranoid.

[01:08:20] He's like the same vibes as,

[01:08:22] as Jaden was just chill.

[01:08:24] He's just chill on the,

[01:08:25] on the Island and just doing his thing.

[01:08:28] And I feel like,

[01:08:28] yeah,

[01:08:29] no,

[01:08:29] Sue just needs to let it go.

[01:08:30] There's a lot,

[01:08:31] you know,

[01:08:32] more other people.

[01:08:34] Yeah.

[01:08:34] And I,

[01:08:34] the thing is like,

[01:08:35] I do think that Sue is in a good position.

[01:08:37] And again,

[01:08:38] that's why I think for Sam,

[01:08:39] it's a mistake to try,

[01:08:40] go after Sue to be like,

[01:08:41] well,

[01:08:41] she's so,

[01:08:42] Sue's very well insulated.

[01:08:43] If we get rid of Sue,

[01:08:44] then we'll break up the whole game.

[01:08:45] It's like,

[01:08:46] that's why that's hard to do 10 minutes before when you don't have the

[01:08:48] numbers,

[01:08:49] but like Sue does have Gabe and Caroline.

[01:08:51] And I think that Sam was crediting her closest with obviously Genevieve.

[01:08:54] We've seen that now with Rachel,

[01:08:57] even an Andy is what Sam says.

[01:08:58] But I think my issue is in Sue's approach,

[01:09:00] like the emotionality of still caring about.

[01:09:03] Of still caring about Kyle.

[01:09:05] And even the way that,

[01:09:05] yeah,

[01:09:05] I think that's so underreported of what a good part of this move.

[01:09:09] It was for Genevieve to actively erode soul's connections when soul was

[01:09:15] well-connected.

[01:09:16] And that's what made him a threat,

[01:09:17] you know,

[01:09:17] to go to Sue and be like,

[01:09:19] he's coming for Gabe.

[01:09:19] Like we see teeny and soul together.

[01:09:21] Come for Gabe.

[01:09:22] Genevieve puts it all on soul and,

[01:09:25] and really like amps up.

[01:09:26] What a threat that he and teeny are going to ping pong between the other

[01:09:29] alliances.

[01:09:29] Like really does all that.

[01:09:30] For someone like emotional,

[01:09:31] like Sue,

[01:09:31] I think that that works very well.

[01:09:33] And I,

[01:09:34] and then I criticized Sue for that.

[01:09:35] Cause I don't,

[01:09:36] I think that I obviously Gabe is important to her and that should be

[01:09:40] something that she should factor in.

[01:09:41] Um,

[01:09:42] because she like Gabe is again,

[01:09:44] critical to her game.

[01:09:45] But I also think that Sue is someone who will be reactionary and it's not

[01:09:49] like thinking through,

[01:09:50] okay,

[01:09:50] but then can I work with soul now?

[01:09:52] Or should I talk to soul?

[01:09:52] I'm not,

[01:09:52] not even saying that that's what she should do.

[01:09:54] I just think that it also vibes with like what we've seen of her game the

[01:09:58] whole time,

[01:09:59] which is somewhat more emotional,

[01:10:01] somewhat more reactionary.

[01:10:02] And then it's going to work like a charm when you come to her with that

[01:10:05] name.

[01:10:05] And like,

[01:10:06] the thing is soul could have even not said Gabe.

[01:10:08] And I think it would work,

[01:10:09] you know,

[01:10:09] like,

[01:10:09] and Genevieve did,

[01:10:11] did hit on something real.

[01:10:12] And I do think that it's something Sue should actually be concerned about.

[01:10:16] But I also think that Genevieve at that point is in a position where she

[01:10:20] can manipulate Sue very,

[01:10:21] very well on information that probably doesn't even need to be true.

[01:10:24] I think genuinely,

[01:10:25] like I've,

[01:10:26] I've been watching Genevieve and how the way she's just delivering

[01:10:30] everything is,

[01:10:31] is just phenomenal.

[01:10:32] The way she's dealing with it all in her car.

[01:10:35] And you know what I will say,

[01:10:37] that is a very common thing between what I've seen between now that you've

[01:10:41] mentioned that Kirby and Genevieve,

[01:10:43] it's their calm nature.

[01:10:45] That's what it is.

[01:10:46] It's the calm nature of a player to be able to have certain conversations in

[01:10:51] stressful situations,

[01:10:52] like a scramble where everyone is running around.

[01:10:55] You want to be that calm nature that people come to.

[01:10:58] And I feel like those are the vibes she gives off where it's almost like safe.

[01:11:02] Like it's not,

[01:11:03] okay,

[01:11:03] what are we doing?

[01:11:04] It's what are we doing?

[01:11:05] What's the go?

[01:11:06] Yeah.

[01:11:06] It's a lot more calm.

[01:11:07] It feels a lot safer.

[01:11:08] And I feel like that's what she has.

[01:11:09] And she's fantastic at delivering it.

[01:11:13] It's just a matter of seeing how,

[01:11:14] how she goes.

[01:11:15] Yeah.

[01:11:16] Yeah.

[01:11:17] Someone else that I want to talk about in that is Gabe.

[01:11:19] Something really interesting.

[01:11:20] And I want to bring this up.

[01:11:21] I have the survivor fact checker confessional stats here.

[01:11:24] Cause we are on YouTube.

[01:11:25] Haven't said that yet,

[01:11:26] but some of us really surprised me like Gabe.

[01:11:30] What?

[01:11:31] You think Gabe had that many confessionals?

[01:11:33] Cause I didn't.

[01:11:34] Yeah.

[01:11:34] Gabe has 44 confessionals as much as Andy.

[01:11:37] That's really surprising to me.

[01:11:39] I feel like Andy is such a huge storyteller.

[01:11:41] Sam has the worst.

[01:11:42] By the way.

[01:11:44] These confessional charts were really surprising to me.

[01:11:47] And I know we put more stock in the confessional charts in us survivor

[01:11:50] compared to Australian survivor,

[01:11:51] because there's other material.

[01:11:52] There's match has more tribal council.

[01:11:54] There's more kind of in Australian survivor.

[01:11:56] And,

[01:11:56] but,

[01:11:57] and I do think we have a good sense of everyone in the season,

[01:11:59] but just a confessional charts.

[01:12:01] I wanted to bring them up being here on YouTube,

[01:12:02] but like teeny having 38,

[01:12:04] teeny having six fewer than Gabe to me.

[01:12:06] That's very surprising to me.

[01:12:08] Yeah.

[01:12:09] I feel like I know teeny way more than Gabe.

[01:12:12] Yeah.

[01:12:13] Do you think this because Gabe as a character is a bit more one note on

[01:12:16] like kind of a big game type of heel type player.

[01:12:19] He's trying to be a teeny a bit more,

[01:12:21] multidimensional,

[01:12:22] but I'm just,

[01:12:22] I'm really surprised.

[01:12:23] And Genevieve obviously on 30,

[01:12:24] but we know that she had a,

[01:12:26] you know,

[01:12:26] a really low start to the confessionals.

[01:12:29] But even with that,

[01:12:30] like even,

[01:12:30] even factoring that in,

[01:12:32] I mean,

[01:12:32] Gabe has 11 in the first episode.

[01:12:34] So I guess that is a lot,

[01:12:36] but still you,

[01:12:36] I would think that Genevieve has really like come out of the blocks to

[01:12:39] make it up since then.

[01:12:40] And she's still pretty low on 30 there.

[01:12:43] Sue on 28,

[01:12:44] Carl on 24,

[01:12:45] and then Caroline on 21.

[01:12:46] I was,

[01:12:46] I was really surprised that Andy wasn't the most,

[01:12:49] Sam's the most,

[01:12:50] that Gabe had that many,

[01:12:51] that Genevieve was still as low as she is.

[01:12:53] And the teeny was,

[01:12:54] was at 38.

[01:12:55] That would have put teeny as,

[01:12:56] as a top narrator.

[01:12:58] So I wanted to put the chance out there.

[01:13:00] I didn't realize Gabe was actually that high.

[01:13:03] Yes.

[01:13:04] That's shocking to me.

[01:13:06] It's very shocking to me.

[01:13:07] I honestly,

[01:13:08] I feel like I've even seen Sue talk more in conventional.

[01:13:12] Yes.

[01:13:14] That's really surprising to me.

[01:13:15] I guess it's because Gabe had 11 in the first episode.

[01:13:17] And that is a lot.

[01:13:19] And,

[01:13:19] and Sam's also like said 16 in episode two,

[01:13:22] a lot of idle stuff,

[01:13:22] 11 in this last episode.

[01:13:24] So when it's like not as consistent,

[01:13:26] I think that's it.

[01:13:26] Like if you were to take away,

[01:13:27] even just that 11,

[01:13:28] it bumps him down,

[01:13:29] but I would have still thought,

[01:13:31] I still think that that's surprising to me,

[01:13:32] but I do,

[01:13:33] I do want to,

[01:13:34] to credit Gabe.

[01:13:36] Yes.

[01:13:36] I wanted to talk about it.

[01:13:37] Cause I think that Gabe is really pivotal.

[01:13:39] Obviously the way they talk about Gabe is like the leader of Tuku who can get

[01:13:42] all the numbers together is important.

[01:13:45] But then I also just think,

[01:13:47] I think one of the things that soul fell to other than being like outplayed

[01:13:50] by a really strong player in Genevieve.

[01:13:52] But I think one of the things soul fell to is how much people did not want

[01:13:56] Gabe to be a target.

[01:13:57] And even if Gabe doesn't want immunity here,

[01:13:59] I don't think he goes.

[01:14:00] I think Sue obviously hates that Genevieve wants to work with Gabe,

[01:14:02] Gabe doesn't like that.

[01:14:03] It was easy to rally people against soul,

[01:14:05] even with his social capital because he had targeted Gabe.

[01:14:08] And so many people didn't like that.

[01:14:09] And I really feel like I need to credit Gabe on that.

[01:14:11] And it's made nationals.

[01:14:12] 100%.

[01:14:13] I agree.

[01:14:14] I think,

[01:14:15] I think Gabe is really good at threat management as well.

[01:14:20] I think he,

[01:14:20] he,

[01:14:21] he's got his,

[01:14:23] he,

[01:14:24] he knows how to sort of maneuver around some things.

[01:14:27] And,

[01:14:28] and I've said this as well in,

[01:14:30] you know,

[01:14:32] the way that he is choosing his align,

[01:14:35] like even from the beginning that he just chose Sue from the beginning to sort

[01:14:39] of get in with them slowly and to invest in that relationship.

[01:14:42] And we've seen how much that has helped flourish him.

[01:14:45] He seems like he's got a good read of everyone around him.

[01:14:48] It's just a matter of executing it right again.

[01:14:51] But yeah,

[01:14:52] he's in a very,

[01:14:53] very good position.

[01:14:53] I completely agree with you.

[01:14:54] The fact that people aren't like,

[01:14:56] everybody does want to work with him and sort of wants to shift their target on someone else.

[01:15:01] As there's a lot about what he's doing behind the scenes and the work back at camp.

[01:15:04] That is so important.

[01:15:05] Same thing with Genevieve,

[01:15:06] how she's putting the work back at camp with these new alliance members that she's sort of,

[01:15:11] she wouldn't be able to do any of that if she didn't put that work in.

[01:15:15] I feel like Gabe is in doing that from the,

[01:15:17] the start,

[01:15:18] but with the same people.

[01:15:19] If there is anyone on this tribe at the moment that is really,

[01:15:25] really close with a bunch of other people,

[01:15:26] it's going to be Gabe.

[01:15:27] Gabe has Sue and Gabe.

[01:15:28] Yeah.

[01:15:29] Like I,

[01:15:30] those are the strongest,

[01:15:31] but that's how I see it.

[01:15:32] Sue and Gabe,

[01:15:33] I don't think anyone could sort of break Sue away from Gabe.

[01:15:37] Anyone.

[01:15:38] Yeah.

[01:15:38] I agree.

[01:15:39] I think that this spoke well to Gabe's influence and power this episode,

[01:15:43] I think.

[01:15:44] And then I guess more just on the episode,

[01:15:46] I said it was an episode of two halves for me.

[01:15:48] What do you think about the,

[01:15:49] this,

[01:15:50] what have you thought about the twist?

[01:15:51] I mean,

[01:15:51] you've watched two new era seasons.

[01:15:53] I feel like this season is a lot of like spinny wheel into like whatever this week is.

[01:15:58] And this merge has kind of felt like this new thing.

[01:16:00] And last week was more like the auction.

[01:16:03] Are you liking it?

[01:16:04] Have you gotten used to the new era production decisions yet?

[01:16:08] Or is it not getting used to it?

[01:16:10] Can you,

[01:16:11] can we get this journey out of here?

[01:16:13] I'm,

[01:16:13] I don't,

[01:16:13] I'm not,

[01:16:14] I don't like this.

[01:16:14] I don't like the whole journey thing.

[01:16:16] I don't like the,

[01:16:16] I don't like it at all.

[01:16:18] Like even when I remember there was in this last episode,

[01:16:21] there was a scene where Gabe was explaining that there's literally three divisions going on in this tribe.

[01:16:29] There's a tribe that's completely,

[01:16:30] can possibly lose their votes going onto the journey.

[01:16:33] There's a tribe that's on reward.

[01:16:34] And so tribe,

[01:16:35] but like there's so many different things happening.

[01:16:38] People need to just chill out.

[01:16:39] We don't need a journey.

[01:16:40] We don't need to lose votes.

[01:16:41] Stop taking away bloody votes.

[01:16:43] No more.

[01:16:43] Yeah.

[01:16:44] Yeah.

[01:16:45] I mean,

[01:16:45] you know how I feel about that.

[01:16:47] And,

[01:16:48] and,

[01:16:48] but I can see this season,

[01:16:50] like they have the auction and I watched it and I'm like,

[01:16:52] I don't know why they ever took it off.

[01:16:54] It was so entertaining to watch.

[01:16:56] I loved that auction.

[01:16:57] Much better than ours.

[01:16:59] Really?

[01:17:00] Yeah.

[01:17:01] Yeah.

[01:17:01] I like it.

[01:17:02] Because of the toothpaste?

[01:17:03] I think so.

[01:17:05] No.

[01:17:06] I'm very salty.

[01:17:09] I was very minty.

[01:17:11] That's very true.

[01:17:12] But no,

[01:17:13] I liked it.

[01:17:14] I loved the auction,

[01:17:15] but everything else,

[01:17:16] I just get this journey out of people.

[01:17:18] I'm not,

[01:17:18] I'm not on board with that.

[01:17:21] Yeah.

[01:17:21] The nine hours that I spent at that wedding thinking four people could lose

[01:17:24] their votes.

[01:17:25] I was like apoplectic.

[01:17:28] I was not good company.

[01:17:29] Cause I,

[01:17:29] I mean,

[01:17:30] and they've done this before.

[01:17:31] So yeah.

[01:17:31] So again,

[01:17:32] they've done the like break into pairs or even groups of three for a

[01:17:35] challenge and then set and then it was groups of three and 45 and they

[01:17:38] separated them onto the bottom three,

[01:17:40] went to the journey and all played an individual challenge to possibly lose

[01:17:45] their vote.

[01:17:45] I think two did end up losing their vote and it was all private.

[01:17:48] And then the middle group got nothing.

[01:17:49] And then the top group got a chicken.

[01:17:51] And then one person won immunity.

[01:17:53] And yeah,

[01:17:54] I mean,

[01:17:55] I'm so grateful,

[01:17:56] I guess that it was just one person losing their vote,

[01:17:58] but I shouldn't have to be grateful for that.

[01:18:00] That is upsetting.

[01:18:01] It's at Mertz as well.

[01:18:03] People are losing votes at Mertz.

[01:18:04] They're like,

[01:18:06] yeah.

[01:18:09] Owen pointed this out.

[01:18:10] It does make a final nine vote,

[01:18:12] which is a very interesting vote permutation.

[01:18:13] And I do like that.

[01:18:15] It's public.

[01:18:16] Like again,

[01:18:17] all of the things I'm talking about with the plurality potential and all

[01:18:20] of that's only possible where,

[01:18:21] as Genevieve says,

[01:18:22] you know what numbers and ingredients you're working with all those full

[01:18:24] votes.

[01:18:24] When I've seen the other four,

[01:18:25] three,

[01:18:26] two votes happen,

[01:18:26] it's because someone like Tony can be like,

[01:18:29] everyone's voting.

[01:18:30] Right.

[01:18:30] And we know where they're voting.

[01:18:32] And that type of knowledge,

[01:18:33] it used to be,

[01:18:34] wow,

[01:18:34] you know where everyone's voting.

[01:18:35] It's so impressive.

[01:18:36] Now you have to know,

[01:18:37] you know where everyone's voting and if they're even voting,

[01:18:39] it's another.

[01:18:41] And that's so hard for good players to put plans,

[01:18:44] you know,

[01:18:44] in action.

[01:18:45] And Genevieve perfectly talked about that in confession.

[01:18:48] I worry production,

[01:18:49] look at it in confession.

[01:18:50] And I'm like,

[01:18:51] yes,

[01:18:51] you can't make the plan.

[01:18:52] And there's monsters.

[01:18:53] It's so hard.

[01:18:53] It's like,

[01:18:54] no,

[01:18:54] you want people to be able to do cool plans.

[01:18:56] I love when people have cool plans.

[01:18:57] Yes.

[01:18:58] Yeah.

[01:18:58] Like I don't,

[01:18:59] I worry the production don't know what's good and bad about these things.

[01:19:02] I worry that they think what's interesting about this episode is that

[01:19:05] the challenge is so much.

[01:19:07] It's so hard for them.

[01:19:08] And they could use their vote and it's so scary.

[01:19:11] And like,

[01:19:11] what's good about it is that actually they come back knowing the votes and

[01:19:15] then can create a plan around it.

[01:19:16] And like,

[01:19:16] it is interesting and people make real decisions.

[01:19:18] And then like a big player goes in a blind side,

[01:19:20] like that's survivor to me.

[01:19:22] And I hope that that's,

[01:19:24] I don't know that that's what production,

[01:19:26] no,

[01:19:26] because it's seven seasons in and they're still doing it and we'll do it

[01:19:28] for the foreseeable future.

[01:19:30] And I just think like,

[01:19:31] is anyone enjoying this?

[01:19:33] Like,

[01:19:33] who is this for at this point?

[01:19:37] And they had to play the dumbest game.

[01:19:40] Jenga was fun actually.

[01:19:42] Reverse Jenga was actually pretty fun.

[01:19:44] Who doesn't love a great game?

[01:19:45] Where does the reverse come in?

[01:19:47] Can someone explain that one to me?

[01:19:48] Because in Jenga,

[01:19:50] it's a tower and you have to take things out and have it not fall.

[01:19:53] Here you had to build a tower and have it not fall.

[01:19:56] Oh,

[01:19:57] okay.

[01:19:57] Because I'm like,

[01:19:57] but in Jenga,

[01:19:58] you're stacking things as well.

[01:20:00] No,

[01:20:00] you're not stacking.

[01:20:01] You're taking it off.

[01:20:03] Yeah.

[01:20:03] Yeah.

[01:20:04] Okay.

[01:20:04] How good is Jenga though?

[01:20:06] Just separately,

[01:20:07] not maybe for survivor,

[01:20:08] but like,

[01:20:08] yes,

[01:20:08] Jenga is really fun,

[01:20:10] but why is it a part of this?

[01:20:12] Oh my God.

[01:20:13] I'm so over having to come in and complain because I love,

[01:20:15] again,

[01:20:15] the second half of this episode,

[01:20:17] I was like invigorated by it.

[01:20:18] And I think other people,

[01:20:19] I was,

[01:20:19] I was more than other people because other people were like,

[01:20:21] uh,

[01:20:22] it was said about soul,

[01:20:23] which is fair.

[01:20:23] It wasn't unanimous vote,

[01:20:24] but like at the end of the day,

[01:20:25] Genevieve made a big move.

[01:20:27] That's highly debatable.

[01:20:28] People made interesting decisions and a big player went out.

[01:20:32] Like this is survivor.

[01:20:33] This is survivor.

[01:20:35] But the challenge.

[01:20:37] And oh my God,

[01:20:38] like my brother is,

[01:20:40] he's intense about like,

[01:20:41] and the same with me.

[01:20:42] Like he doesn't miss anything.

[01:20:42] He's like,

[01:20:43] even I was speaking through the challenge,

[01:20:44] you know?

[01:20:45] Far out.

[01:20:46] Like,

[01:20:47] and that's,

[01:20:48] that's big.

[01:20:49] Yeah.

[01:20:49] The challenges are exhausting to watch.

[01:20:51] Like they've gone on for a lot.

[01:20:54] Like what just happened to this one thing?

[01:20:56] Just do one thing for 40 minutes and see the wins.

[01:21:00] Yeah.

[01:21:00] And it's,

[01:21:01] and it's also,

[01:21:01] it's like,

[01:21:02] I mean,

[01:21:02] whatever the,

[01:21:02] like how homogenous the challenges have been.

[01:21:05] We've talked about it to death,

[01:21:06] but like,

[01:21:07] it is what it is.

[01:21:08] And I mean,

[01:21:09] what did you think about like the whole twist of them being in pairs and

[01:21:12] choosing the pairs and like.

[01:21:15] I don't mind that.

[01:21:15] The kind of reality of that.

[01:21:17] Yeah.

[01:21:17] That's it.

[01:21:18] I like that.

[01:21:18] I like,

[01:21:19] I like anything that doesn't affect the game greatly,

[01:21:22] but gives people insights of the game moving forward.

[01:21:25] I like that.

[01:21:26] So I like the fact that there's pairs,

[01:21:28] but that's not really going to affect much about like positioning the game

[01:21:32] or whatever,

[01:21:32] but it's all,

[01:21:33] it's also going to give people a bit of ideas as to where people's heads

[01:21:37] are.

[01:21:38] How people,

[01:21:39] again,

[01:21:39] it's,

[01:21:39] it's free information.

[01:21:41] So any,

[01:21:41] any chance where people can get free information,

[01:21:44] where games can evolve.

[01:21:46] I absolutely love.

[01:21:47] That doesn't affect vote offs.

[01:21:49] So yeah,

[01:21:49] any pairing or anything like that,

[01:21:51] just to,

[01:21:52] just to spice things up.

[01:21:54] I'm completely fine with it.

[01:21:54] I like it.

[01:21:55] It was funny that Andy was like,

[01:21:56] it's Sam wants to hang out with me.

[01:21:58] And Sam was like,

[01:21:58] I think I can beat Andy.

[01:22:01] I do think,

[01:22:02] I think that if you,

[01:22:04] if you knew that you might lose your votes,

[01:22:06] you probably would have made a different decision.

[01:22:07] And I can't even blame production because in groups of three before they

[01:22:11] have lost votes.

[01:22:12] So you could have been wary of it.

[01:22:14] But like,

[01:22:14] if I'm Sam who ends up playing for his vote,

[01:22:18] I'm probably less wanting to like carry Andy on my back to beat him.

[01:22:22] And I might want to just make sure I get through someone like Gabe was

[01:22:25] like,

[01:22:25] I know I'll be okay with Carl.

[01:22:26] And then you are risking your vote less if they had known that,

[01:22:29] but I can't really blame them.

[01:22:30] I mean,

[01:22:30] at this point,

[01:22:31] it's hard to prepare for anything.

[01:22:33] Like anything can happen in the skinny wheel of the new era.

[01:22:36] So yeah.

[01:22:38] Yeah.

[01:22:39] It was definitely,

[01:22:42] definitely two halves of the episode for me.

[01:22:44] Should we get to the chizzy?

[01:22:45] Should we talk about it?

[01:22:46] Let's do it.

[01:22:47] Take it away.

[01:22:47] Jacob Sager Weinstein and MC color.

[01:22:50] One,

[01:22:50] two,

[01:22:51] three.

[01:22:52] One,

[01:22:52] one,

[01:22:53] three,

[01:22:53] one,

[01:22:54] two,

[01:22:54] one,

[01:22:54] three.

[01:22:55] It's getting,

[01:23:00] look at this.

[01:23:01] Soul was on top of the chizzy charts.

[01:23:03] Genevieve clocked it.

[01:23:04] I was like,

[01:23:05] nah,

[01:23:06] I'm taking out my chizzy competition.

[01:23:10] And now Genevieve is way,

[01:23:13] way in the lead.

[01:23:14] As we'll see,

[01:23:14] we'll see from people who.

[01:23:16] Yeah.

[01:23:17] Very interesting chizzy charts.

[01:23:18] If you're not watching on YouTube,

[01:23:19] I will give them points soon,

[01:23:20] but put these out on Twitter and blue sky now,

[01:23:24] which is a thing is of the last week.

[01:23:26] Twitter's rapid decline.

[01:23:28] Yeah.

[01:23:29] Everyone's moving from there.

[01:23:31] Yeah.

[01:23:32] Well,

[01:23:33] we can talk about blue sky a little bit,

[01:23:34] but I did put the chizzy charts out on,

[01:23:35] on both platforms and they're here in the,

[01:23:37] in the YouTube video.

[01:23:39] Ferris,

[01:23:39] who are you giving your points to?

[01:23:41] I thought this week kind of hard.

[01:23:42] I thought the one point was hard for me,

[01:23:44] but I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

[01:23:45] Okay.

[01:23:46] So we're doing three,

[01:23:47] two,

[01:23:47] one.

[01:23:48] Is that what we're doing?

[01:23:49] Yeah.

[01:23:49] That's good.

[01:23:53] Three for Genevieve.

[01:23:55] Like you,

[01:23:57] you can't go any other way.

[01:23:58] Like,

[01:23:58] I don't know who else I would give it to.

[01:24:00] If it wasn't for Genevieve,

[01:24:02] three for Genevieve,

[01:24:07] two for Rachel,

[01:24:11] Rachel working with what she has,

[01:24:13] like going from being at the bottom to slowly gaining some sort of agency

[01:24:18] in the game.

[01:24:19] Having that idol as well is also helping her out as well.

[01:24:24] She's coming back from,

[01:24:25] from a pretty hard loss.

[01:24:28] So two to Rachel and one to Andy.

[01:24:31] Where's Andy?

[01:24:32] Oh,

[01:24:32] Andy.

[01:24:33] Yeah.

[01:24:33] One to Andy.

[01:24:34] I like that.

[01:24:35] Andy is being a bit more open-minded with who he wants to work with.

[01:24:40] And he is doing what Teenie should be doing.

[01:24:44] And that's putting his foot down.

[01:24:46] Same thing with Teenie.

[01:24:47] Teenie should be putting the foot down and start making moves in order to gain some sort of agency.

[01:24:52] And that's what Andy's doing.

[01:24:53] So Andy gets my one point.

[01:24:56] Okay.

[01:24:56] Well,

[01:24:56] I actually did.

[01:24:57] I wanted to,

[01:24:57] I'm going to put Rachel in.

[01:24:59] She was someone I was considering for the one point.

[01:25:02] I'm putting more maybe in an honorable mention just for like having,

[01:25:05] again,

[01:25:05] I don't blame her for Sam.

[01:25:06] And I think,

[01:25:08] you know,

[01:25:08] having the relationships and being brought in is good.

[01:25:10] I wanted to say about Rachel.

[01:25:11] Rachel to me is in this like archetype of underdogs with,

[01:25:18] to this point,

[01:25:19] I haven't seen the power,

[01:25:19] but I think that it could come.

[01:25:20] And I know she has the tools,

[01:25:21] obviously with an idol and the capacity,

[01:25:24] I think to use it.

[01:25:25] But I feel like Rachel to me falls into like,

[01:25:27] she really reminds me of like Michelle Fitzgerald in season 40.

[01:25:31] And that is because I felt like Michelle played a really great underdog game.

[01:25:34] And I think that Rachel has the capacity for that.

[01:25:37] And I feel like what,

[01:25:38] what Rachel does,

[01:25:39] and I might even compare it to like,

[01:25:40] especially if she can use it like a Wentworth in Cambodia or even Eileen in

[01:25:43] your season,

[01:25:44] which is what Rachel will maximize her opportunities to 150%.

[01:25:49] So like taking the rice or gauging.

[01:25:52] And I love that we got the confirmation,

[01:25:53] like gauging the reaction on the shot in the dark.

[01:25:55] Rachel,

[01:25:56] every opportunity that Rachel gets,

[01:25:57] she will maximize.

[01:25:58] So it's like overthought capacity,

[01:26:00] which as an overthinker,

[01:26:01] I really appreciate.

[01:26:03] But her,

[01:26:04] as an underdog,

[01:26:05] her opportunities,

[01:26:05] I think have been very limited when she gets the opportunity.

[01:26:08] She will,

[01:26:09] you know,

[01:26:10] play it to its extremes.

[01:26:11] But I think she's had limited,

[01:26:13] and she knows that like,

[01:26:13] she's in the secret scenes.

[01:26:14] Like,

[01:26:15] are you guys going to stop playing with me yet?

[01:26:17] Or like,

[01:26:17] what am I doing with that?

[01:26:19] But I think that Rachel would have a great story at the end as an underdog

[01:26:23] who has like big visible moves,

[01:26:24] like leaving tribal council,

[01:26:25] still has an idol to play with.

[01:26:27] Can,

[01:26:27] you know,

[01:26:27] credit the shot in the dark,

[01:26:28] even something really public,

[01:26:29] like the rice thing.

[01:26:30] It's all very tangible and easy to talk about and big,

[01:26:34] but it's limited in how much she's been able to do.

[01:26:38] So that's just where I see her.

[01:26:39] I thought about her maybe as an honorable mention.

[01:26:42] But yeah,

[01:26:43] I'm giving three points to Genevieve,

[01:26:45] which will put her on the top of the Chizzy charts now at 21.

[01:26:48] You know,

[01:26:49] yeah,

[01:26:49] there's no other way to go with this for me.

[01:26:51] It's,

[01:26:51] it's easily Genevieve.

[01:26:52] And I think like,

[01:26:53] will Genevieve win?

[01:26:53] Like,

[01:26:53] again,

[01:26:54] I think he's going to lose at fire,

[01:26:55] but should Genevieve win the Chizzy?

[01:26:57] Yes.

[01:26:58] Like this is a proud tradition of the big players who control everything and

[01:27:01] don't necessarily win in the new era.

[01:27:03] And she would be in the long lines of the Omers,

[01:27:05] the Jessies.

[01:27:08] You know,

[01:27:08] there's so many,

[01:27:10] so many players that I think,

[01:27:13] you know,

[01:27:13] even like,

[01:27:14] well,

[01:27:14] Carson was more actually more with Tika,

[01:27:16] but yeah,

[01:27:17] Ricard,

[01:27:18] some of the big players.

[01:27:20] And I think that that's where,

[01:27:21] that's where she'll be.

[01:27:22] I don't think she'll win due to her early edit.

[01:27:24] And because I think that the fire thing has really been creeping up on us

[01:27:27] from the preseason,

[01:27:28] but I think she's playing a phenomenal game and I think she should win the

[01:27:31] Chizzy.

[01:27:31] And I think that that would feel right.

[01:27:33] And it's great that she's leading it by a lot now with soul out of it,

[01:27:36] but I'm going to give points to Gabe.

[01:27:39] Yeah.

[01:27:40] Yeah.

[01:27:41] Because of Gabe's influence.

[01:27:42] And I think that this is like,

[01:27:44] it is a two coup win,

[01:27:45] but then I'm like not loving the,

[01:27:47] the,

[01:27:48] you know,

[01:27:48] anti-Karl sentiment on Tuku.

[01:27:50] That's like such a kind of,

[01:27:51] you know,

[01:27:52] unprompted cell phone.

[01:27:54] So,

[01:27:55] you know,

[01:27:55] hard for me to kind of credit Sue in that.

[01:27:57] I did think about Sue from a positioning standpoint,

[01:27:59] but I just hate the car stuff so much.

[01:28:01] Yeah.

[01:28:02] So I'm giving two to Gabe and then I'm giving one to Andy,

[01:28:05] who was approached in both plans.

[01:28:07] I think it's a big thing.

[01:28:09] Was he as much the swing?

[01:28:10] I don't think as much.

[01:28:11] I think it's really Genevieve's power.

[01:28:12] Cause we got questions like,

[01:28:13] is this,

[01:28:14] you know,

[01:28:15] unanimous vote or Genevieve?

[01:28:16] Like it really is a lot of Genevieve.

[01:28:18] Then leading to coup to it.

[01:28:20] That is as we call the plurality into the majority,

[01:28:23] it's her connections.

[01:28:24] And again,

[01:28:24] even when it goes absolutely pear shaped,

[01:28:26] it just comes back to her.

[01:28:27] Like I really,

[01:28:28] for Genevieve just sticking with it,

[01:28:30] not getting scared,

[01:28:31] you know,

[01:28:32] cause in the moment I'm like,

[01:28:32] she does want me to go back on this.

[01:28:34] You know,

[01:28:34] she has the numbers.

[01:28:35] It's still fine.

[01:28:36] Don't Renee.

[01:28:36] And she never was right.

[01:28:37] It was all noise and just blindsiding soul,

[01:28:39] keeping with it,

[01:28:40] acting so well,

[01:28:41] like having the information come back to her and then having to move in the chaos.

[01:28:46] So,

[01:28:46] so good.

[01:28:47] Anyway,

[01:28:47] that's Genevieve to Gabe one to Andy who was yeah.

[01:28:51] Approached first.

[01:28:52] And I still think,

[01:28:53] you know,

[01:28:53] is,

[01:28:53] is hanging on to Genevieve and like for both Andy and Rachel,

[01:28:56] there's points in the fact that they had that conversation at the beginning of the

[01:28:59] episode and the thinking of working together.

[01:29:00] I think that's really good.

[01:29:02] I don't go against any of Andy's decisions as much as he could have them as a quasi swing

[01:29:09] to a degree.

[01:29:10] And yeah,

[01:29:11] just being brought in,

[01:29:12] I think it's really good.

[01:29:12] So let's see what the charts have.

[01:29:13] I can do it on the fly.

[01:29:14] Genevieve on 21.

[01:29:16] And soul left on 18.

[01:29:17] That leaves.

[01:29:18] Now,

[01:29:18] Andy's next and Sam on 11,

[01:29:20] 10 points under Genevieve.

[01:29:22] Now I was still active players in the game.

[01:29:25] Teeny nine,

[01:29:25] Sue nine,

[01:29:26] Caroline seven,

[01:29:27] Rachel up to six,

[01:29:29] Gabe up to four,

[01:29:30] Carl on three,

[01:29:31] and Tiana and Asia left on one.

[01:29:32] I think that's where we're at.

[01:29:34] So Genevieve might be running away with it,

[01:29:36] but who knows?

[01:29:37] They'll snipe her next week.

[01:29:38] You know,

[01:29:38] like last week I was like,

[01:29:39] soul,

[01:29:39] soul got six points.

[01:29:40] He was doing so well and he got sniped.

[01:29:41] Yeah.

[01:29:42] I don't,

[01:29:43] you know,

[01:29:44] anything possible.

[01:29:44] I'll be so surprised if Genevieve's name is not mentioned next episode.

[01:29:49] That would be a credit to her.

[01:29:51] Yeah.

[01:29:51] Of course it would be.

[01:29:52] It would be a huge credit.

[01:29:54] Huge social game as well.

[01:29:56] Yeah.

[01:29:56] But we'll see what happens.

[01:29:58] Yeah.

[01:29:59] I think again,

[01:30:00] that's Genevieve.

[01:30:01] Every single move Genevieve makes,

[01:30:02] there's like a multi-part move.

[01:30:04] It's about making the move,

[01:30:06] making connections as you make the move,

[01:30:07] as we saw her do with Tuku,

[01:30:08] with Rachel,

[01:30:09] with Andy,

[01:30:09] and then having those connections actually protect you,

[01:30:12] which is hard in the new era and having other people just have so much less capital

[01:30:16] in Asia than you,

[01:30:17] um,

[01:30:18] that they can't come against you.

[01:30:19] And then having other names out there.

[01:30:21] You know,

[01:30:21] I think the fact that we still have the Sams,

[01:30:23] the Carls,

[01:30:24] even possibly the Gabes,

[01:30:25] although I think that's due to his connections a bit harder,

[01:30:28] but like let now,

[01:30:29] maybe we take a bit of a step back.

[01:30:31] We get out the easy names,

[01:30:32] take out a Carl,

[01:30:33] take out a Sam.

[01:30:34] Let's get it really,

[01:30:35] run it down.

[01:30:36] Um,

[01:30:37] or even if you can maybe push out some,

[01:30:39] some of the sneakiest threats that you thought and keep,

[01:30:41] keep Carl and Sam,

[01:30:42] but then at a point you need to start using up those shields and that will

[01:30:45] kind of,

[01:30:46] you know,

[01:30:46] propel her to the end game.

[01:30:48] I think Genevieve needs to find her core and then Genevieve needs to

[01:30:52] then stay quiet for that whole day and let everyone else come up with a plan

[01:30:58] and stick to her core.

[01:30:59] That is the best way to push her threat moving forward.

[01:31:02] If Genevieve starts throwing another person's name out and Genevieve is in

[01:31:06] trouble,

[01:31:06] Genevieve will now be known as the person that just comes up with the plans.

[01:31:10] Okay.

[01:31:10] And as well as Genevieve doesn't actually know who's really like going to be

[01:31:15] sticking with her.

[01:31:15] Cause you know why everyone voted for Saul.

[01:31:17] So we don't know who's Genevieve's closest person or not.

[01:31:22] We just don't know if that just suited their game to vote Saul out or because

[01:31:25] they want to work with Genevieve.

[01:31:26] So that's the tricky part now having to navigate.

[01:31:29] Okay.

[01:31:30] Who was actually down to work with me and who was just down to vote for Saul?

[01:31:34] she needs to distinguish those two.

[01:31:36] Yeah.

[01:31:37] And who's also working with me,

[01:31:38] but then won't when push comes to shove.

[01:31:40] And I think that that's the issue that she's investing a lot in relationships

[01:31:43] that are good relationships,

[01:31:44] but they're savvy players,

[01:31:45] the Andy's,

[01:31:46] the Rachel's.

[01:31:47] I mean,

[01:31:47] T has not been invested in,

[01:31:49] but you know,

[01:31:50] these are the players who I think can be all like,

[01:31:52] you know,

[01:31:52] at a point should we all get Genevieve?

[01:31:53] Will they have the capital to do it?

[01:31:55] Will other people want to do it?

[01:31:56] That's the question.

[01:31:57] But again,

[01:31:59] Genevieve can do more than most.

[01:32:01] And it's not that this is a reason to do the move.

[01:32:04] It's definitely not,

[01:32:04] but like Genevieve can afford to have fun.

[01:32:06] Genevieve can afford to go out and like play a big fun survivor game where you

[01:32:09] look back and you're like that,

[01:32:10] like even like the way she was like,

[01:32:11] I can't believe that work.

[01:32:12] Like it's not a reason to do it.

[01:32:13] And I,

[01:32:14] I wouldn't like that,

[01:32:14] but like from a personal perspective,

[01:32:16] like those are the two options for Genevieve.

[01:32:19] She can afford more than most people to have a lot of fun with it.

[01:32:22] And we're having fun with it,

[01:32:23] right?

[01:32:24] Oh yeah.

[01:32:24] Best loving you as a survivor.

[01:32:28] Thank you for.

[01:32:30] Nah,

[01:32:31] anytime.

[01:32:31] Honestly,

[01:32:32] this genuinely,

[01:32:33] like I was a bit behind a couple of days ago.

[01:32:36] I'm like,

[01:32:36] nah,

[01:32:36] I need to watch all these episodes.

[01:32:38] And then I watched it.

[01:32:39] I'm like,

[01:32:39] Oh,

[01:32:39] what the hell have I been missing out on?

[01:32:42] Because I hate when I miss out when it's live.

[01:32:43] Everyone's tweeting and talking crap.

[01:32:46] So now I'm glad I'm up to date.

[01:32:48] And no,

[01:32:49] this season has been absolutely amazing.

[01:32:50] I'm loving this cast.

[01:32:52] I will be happy with anyone winning at this point,

[01:32:56] but I've got my favorites.

[01:32:57] So yeah.

[01:32:58] Yeah.

[01:32:59] Well,

[01:32:59] tweeting.

[01:32:59] And as we said,

[01:33:00] blue sky,

[01:33:01] skeeting is,

[01:33:01] I think what they're saying.

[01:33:03] Um,

[01:33:03] I'm on blue sky now.

[01:33:04] At Shannon Gates,

[01:33:05] same as always.

[01:33:06] Twitter,

[01:33:07] Instagram,

[01:33:08] tweeting about the episodes.

[01:33:09] Ferris,

[01:33:09] where can people find you and what you're doing?

[01:33:11] Uh,

[01:33:12] you can find me honestly everywhere.

[01:33:14] Just type my full name,

[01:33:15] Ferris Basile,

[01:33:16] and you find me on Instagram,

[01:33:17] Twitter,

[01:33:18] blue sky,

[01:33:19] um,

[01:33:19] everywhere.

[01:33:20] You're on blue sky.

[01:33:21] Am I following you?

[01:33:23] I try to find you for the question thread and I couldn't find you.

[01:33:25] When did you make your blue sky?

[01:33:27] Like two days ago.

[01:33:29] Oh,

[01:33:29] I couldn't find you.

[01:33:31] Oh,

[01:33:31] really?

[01:33:33] I tried for the question thread and looked at,

[01:33:34] I looked at,

[01:33:35] I'm going to find you and I'm going to follow you now.

[01:33:37] It's my full name.

[01:33:38] Yeah.

[01:33:38] I posted the link on my Twitter.

[01:33:41] Oh,

[01:33:41] I missed that.

[01:33:43] Um,

[01:33:43] but yeah,

[01:33:44] you can find me.

[01:33:45] But yeah,

[01:33:45] thank you so much for your time.

[01:33:46] Shannon,

[01:33:47] that was awesome.

[01:33:47] I love this.

[01:33:48] I love chatting all things.

[01:33:49] Survive with you.

[01:33:50] It's so much fun.

[01:33:51] Yes.

[01:33:51] Thank you for indulging my plurality votes and my,

[01:33:55] or you should have last week.

[01:33:56] I had a bit of a thing with the,

[01:33:57] um,

[01:33:58] the revo rules being different.

[01:34:00] Um,

[01:34:00] in Australian survivor.

[01:34:01] And I think I know the answer to this.

[01:34:02] Do you guys have like a rule book?

[01:34:05] Do you know the rules or do you just assuming the rules at any given time?

[01:34:08] Cause you didn't really know that it was even rocks,

[01:34:10] right?

[01:34:11] Oh yeah.

[01:34:12] Okay.

[01:34:13] Yeah.

[01:34:13] I can explain this.

[01:34:14] There is no rule book.

[01:34:15] Um,

[01:34:17] look,

[01:34:17] there's only a rule book in terms of,

[01:34:19] I can't just steal someone's idol from my back,

[01:34:21] from their back.

[01:34:22] Like I can't be looking through their backs,

[01:34:23] but there isn't a clear,

[01:34:25] okay,

[01:34:25] this is what rocks means.

[01:34:27] This is X,

[01:34:28] Y is it.

[01:34:28] There isn't anything like that.

[01:34:30] Should I write that and give it to people?

[01:34:33] But I don't know when they don't know.

[01:34:36] This is the thing is there's nothing to,

[01:34:37] I was wrong until last week on what the revo rules were.

[01:34:39] So I can't do that.

[01:34:40] They should do that.

[01:34:41] Wait,

[01:34:41] what were the revo,

[01:34:42] what are the revo vote rules?

[01:34:44] I feel like I'm missing something.

[01:34:45] Yeah.

[01:34:46] Last week.

[01:34:47] It's a whole thing.

[01:34:48] It was 20 minutes of last week,

[01:34:49] but last week they said that at a two person revo,

[01:34:55] usually you don't revo because you can only vote for each other.

[01:34:59] So you just cancel each other.

[01:35:00] But because Sam didn't have a vote,

[01:35:02] Sierra voted,

[01:35:03] but at three person revoes in the past,

[01:35:06] they have,

[01:35:08] they haven't revoated,

[01:35:09] which makes no sense.

[01:35:10] And then I spiraled.

[01:35:12] It seems silly now.

[01:35:13] Actually,

[01:35:13] it was actually very valuable.

[01:35:14] It was very valid.

[01:35:16] Again,

[01:35:17] it even changes things now because again,

[01:35:18] I would have said this week,

[01:35:20] like,

[01:35:20] Saul might as well play show in the dark because,

[01:35:23] because at a five,

[01:35:24] four,

[01:35:25] then he and the target both won't revo,

[01:35:26] as I thought.

[01:35:27] And then his side on the five,

[01:35:29] four went on a four,

[01:35:29] three,

[01:35:30] but no,

[01:35:30] his target,

[01:35:31] the other target would vote because he doesn't have a vote.

[01:35:33] So it would be a four,

[01:35:34] four.

[01:35:34] It changes everything.

[01:35:35] And I'm so,

[01:35:36] so vindicated in that.

[01:35:37] Yeah.

[01:35:37] Look,

[01:35:37] all I know is they definitely didn't give me a rundown of what are the

[01:35:41] possibilities that could happen if XYZ,

[01:35:44] happened.

[01:35:45] So that's all I know with Australian survivor.

[01:35:47] I didn't even know what bloody rocks were.

[01:35:50] And you still won,

[01:35:51] right?

[01:35:51] So how much does any of this stuff matter?

[01:35:53] It doesn't matter.

[01:35:54] It really does.

[01:35:54] The fact that I'm like,

[01:35:55] why are they all going to rocks?

[01:35:56] And everyone was like,

[01:35:57] the what now?

[01:35:59] What rock?

[01:36:00] Yeah.

[01:36:01] Oh God,

[01:36:02] so good.

[01:36:02] It's concerning.

[01:36:03] No,

[01:36:03] but this has been really fun for us.

[01:36:04] Thank you for catching up for us and being a fairly good student.

[01:36:08] And next,

[01:36:09] by the time we see you next time,

[01:36:10] we will see every US survivor season.

[01:36:11] I'm excited about it.

[01:36:12] I promise you I will.

[01:36:14] Thank you so much.

[01:36:14] Why would you,

[01:36:15] this is a Ferris promise.

[01:36:18] But that's not right either because you were very loyal.

[01:36:20] I'm telling you,

[01:36:21] I'm going to go live in about,

[01:36:24] I'm making this announcement.

[01:36:25] When I have the time,

[01:36:27] I will go live and I watch one episode every night.

[01:36:31] Love it.

[01:36:32] Everyone,

[01:36:33] please hold Ferris accountable.

[01:36:35] Please.

[01:36:35] How many episodes is it?

[01:36:37] Like 13,

[01:36:38] 14,

[01:36:39] similar to this.

[01:36:39] Oh,

[01:36:40] what is that here?

[01:36:41] It's nothing.

[01:36:41] I'm thinking it's like,

[01:36:42] it's like 24.

[01:36:44] okay.

[01:36:45] Nothing.

[01:36:46] It's fine.

[01:36:46] It's 40 minutes,

[01:36:47] not even 60.

[01:36:48] Oh,

[01:36:49] I'll do it tonight.

[01:36:50] I know.

[01:36:51] And you literally could.

[01:36:52] And you literally,

[01:36:52] and this is what I'm saying.

[01:36:54] No.

[01:36:54] Okay.

[01:36:55] Ferris holding you to it.

[01:36:56] So much accountability.

[01:36:58] Truly.

[01:36:58] You will never hear the end of it from me if you don't,

[01:37:01] but this was so much fun.

[01:37:02] Thank you so much,

[01:37:03] Ferris.

[01:37:03] Thank you to everyone behind the scenes.

[01:37:05] Thank you to our listeners.

[01:37:06] And oh,

[01:37:06] next week,

[01:37:07] I forgot to say next week,

[01:37:08] B and B collab with Mike and Liana,

[01:37:09] and that's what will be happening on survivor global,

[01:37:11] but thank you all for listening.

[01:37:20] Survivor.

[01:37:20] Survivor.

[01:37:21] Wizards.

[01:37:23] 21 South African 12 ordinary Australians.

[01:37:27] This is the state,

[01:37:27] you feel me?

[01:37:28] This is the state,

[01:37:29] you feel me?

[01:37:29] This is the state.

[01:37:29] What's wrong?

[01:37:31] One million pounds.

[01:37:32] Million euros.

[01:37:34] Million euros.

[01:37:35] I can't.