Survivor Global: Debating Twists and Intentions | S47 Ep 7 with Mark Warnock and Eden Porter

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[00:00:38] Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor 47 for Survivor Global. I'm your host Shannon Gast, here to talk about Episode 7.

[00:00:45] There's a Split Tribal Council that has been acknowledged and received with much acclaim. Everyone loved it. We're here to talk about it today.

[00:00:54] I have two great guests with me. I've been loving doing these three-person podcasts, getting a little bit of the global survivor dynamic in there with people who play together.

[00:01:03] And we have an invisible hand recap here for you today. First, I will welcome someone who says Solstan, I'm seeing now.

[00:01:11] As he is Chiron. Yes, it is a great panel. Warnock's third place, Stranes by the Titans, V Rebels. Mark, how are you doing?

[00:01:20] Mate, my heart and soul is in this podcast right now. I'm so happy to join.

[00:01:25] I forgot that podcasting with Mark means like, he's got the puns ready to go.

[00:01:29] They are there, they're there. And then with Eden, it's going to be the references.

[00:01:34] So are we going to get any actual conversation between those two things? I'm not 100% sure.

[00:01:38] We're going to see what is actually a non-pun, non-reference statement today.

[00:01:43] I am a soldier in his army. I'm ready to go.

[00:01:47] Look, thanks for having me on, Channon. This is really fun.

[00:01:50] I'm really excited to see how wild and wacky this gets with Eden on as well.

[00:01:54] So yeah, thanks for having me on.

[00:01:56] I'm sorry for the look of pain at the soul pun.

[00:01:58] I do love a good pun, you know, and I think with Slauson...

[00:02:02] You're like, what? I'm like, come on.

[00:02:05] Like how many Q puns did you have last season?

[00:02:07] And I roll out one, heart and soul.

[00:02:09] Like, come on.

[00:02:09] Yeah, you're right.

[00:02:10] I'm the huge shit.

[00:02:11] You're like, if you could take, if you give it, if you dish it, you gotta take it.

[00:02:14] 100%.

[00:02:15] No, I'm the worst.

[00:02:16] I'm the worst.

[00:02:16] I'm like, really? Two soul puns?

[00:02:18] This is a guy, you know, is going to have puns.

[00:02:19] And I was literally speaking in a different Q language six months ago.

[00:02:23] So yeah, but I never said that I was okay.

[00:02:25] Forget Q. It's the soul show right now.

[00:02:27] Forget Q, go home goodbye.

[00:02:29] That's what the famous confessional is.

[00:02:31] I'm not going back to speaking in Q, okay?

[00:02:33] I had to like, unloan.

[00:02:34] It was a long few months of my life.

[00:02:36] But yes, and someone who maybe will have a reference for us coming up right now.

[00:02:40] He unfortunately just missed the jury on Titans V Rebels.

[00:02:45] We brought him in for some trauma.

[00:02:46] It's a great even porter.

[00:02:47] Eden, thank you for being here.

[00:02:49] Thank you so much for having me, Shan.

[00:02:52] I'm not sure how much I'm going to be able to add because as you can see,

[00:02:56] I'm simply a person of low information.

[00:02:59] I'm just going to be here to support Mark and support you, Shan,

[00:03:03] because I'm fired up for this episode.

[00:03:06] I think this is my episode.

[00:03:08] This is the missing out on the jury episode.

[00:03:11] And did you notice that Jeff just had to get the knife and actually say,

[00:03:14] as punishment for losing this, you will not make the jury.

[00:03:19] That's what they call it now, getting worse as a penalty.

[00:03:21] It's like, yes, we're not progressing to that phase.

[00:03:24] That's the penalty that you get.

[00:03:26] You're removed from the jury before you're even in it.

[00:03:28] It's a jury removal twist, but you just also never get to the jury

[00:03:31] before you're removed from the jury.

[00:03:32] Yeah, you would have been okay, but because you lost.

[00:03:35] Yeah, cop that.

[00:03:36] Jeff, he's going.

[00:03:38] And I know that that cuts extra deep for Eden,

[00:03:41] because I remember every single time we, after the merge,

[00:03:44] before the jury, Eden always commented when JLP was like,

[00:03:49] at the immunity challenge.

[00:03:51] He was like, you know, whoever wins immunity,

[00:03:52] you'll be safe tonight.

[00:03:53] And then we'll be sending X number person out of the game.

[00:03:56] And then Eden was like, but they didn't say to the jury.

[00:04:00] No, I know.

[00:04:01] He was tracking it every single time.

[00:04:02] And I was like, this is our third tribal council

[00:04:06] since we've been like merged.

[00:04:07] This can't, this has to be a jury position, but no.

[00:04:11] Yeah.

[00:04:12] Well, I don't want to, I don't want to, you know,

[00:04:13] harp on it and it's, it's tired and we don't need to,

[00:04:16] but I just need to ask like, Eden,

[00:04:17] how many tribal councils did you go to?

[00:04:21] Right?

[00:04:22] Like I genuinely like, yeah.

[00:04:23] How many tribal councils did you go to?

[00:04:26] The fact that you have to sit here and think about it is exactly

[00:04:28] my point.

[00:04:29] Right?

[00:04:30] So what three is a good podcast thing.

[00:04:32] And then what three ish in the swap.

[00:04:34] So nine tribal councils.

[00:04:35] Nine.

[00:04:36] And then, yeah.

[00:04:37] And then, well, then there was Scotty's and then there was

[00:04:40] winners.

[00:04:41] Yeah.

[00:04:42] So I think nine total.

[00:04:43] Right?

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:44] I'm just saying, I'm not going to harp,

[00:04:45] but I do actually want to talk about it because like,

[00:04:47] it's not exactly the same as Tiana missing it two weeks in.

[00:04:50] And like, whatever.

[00:04:52] Australian survivors extreme.

[00:04:53] The new era is not the same thing,

[00:04:54] but like she missed it on a third tribal council.

[00:04:57] That's not exactly the same as you.

[00:04:58] How many days did you play?

[00:05:00] Like that's what I think.

[00:05:00] When it comes up,

[00:05:01] when it comes up at the bottom and says day 13,

[00:05:03] at this point, I'm like, are you kidding me?

[00:05:06] Yes.

[00:05:06] It's a good thing.

[00:05:08] We'd only had about,

[00:05:10] we'd voted off four people by this point and we would,

[00:05:13] yeah, it was, yeah.

[00:05:14] It always blows my mind.

[00:05:15] I mean, like, I feel very bad for Tiana,

[00:05:16] but she went out at like the same number tribal council as

[00:05:19] like Nathan did, you know,

[00:05:20] like it's not at the same time.

[00:05:22] It's like, and I do want to talk about that.

[00:05:24] I'm tracking,

[00:05:25] I'm tracking Andy's facial hair and like,

[00:05:27] I've got more right now than he does.

[00:05:28] So, you know.

[00:05:29] Maybe that's an insult to Andy.

[00:05:31] I don't know if that's,

[00:05:32] yeah, but, and I do want to talk about that before I do,

[00:05:35] how are both of you going?

[00:05:36] You both have podcasting a bit about this season,

[00:05:38] Mark, how we,

[00:05:39] and you guys hang out this weekend without me,

[00:05:40] which is pretty rude.

[00:05:41] Cause we had already organized,

[00:05:43] hang out this weekend doing this.

[00:05:44] You guys hung out, but Mark, how,

[00:05:46] how are you doing?

[00:05:47] Yeah.

[00:05:47] We had to just like, we had to like, you know, pregame.

[00:05:49] It's always, it's the game never stops.

[00:05:53] So yeah, that's how important this is to us.

[00:05:55] Um, no, uh,

[00:05:57] I have been, yeah,

[00:05:59] podcasting Len has been really fun.

[00:06:01] Uh, I did a little series could be on the edit where I talked to

[00:06:05] Australian.

[00:06:05] So I have a players about who,

[00:06:07] who basically didn't feature as much as two people on our season.

[00:06:10] Uh, and that was really, really fun.

[00:06:12] And then Caroline.

[00:06:15] Not quite.

[00:06:17] And then, um, Annabelle, my,

[00:06:21] my friend from traders Australia,

[00:06:23] uh, the great, the, the everyone's favorite faithful.

[00:06:26] Um, she and I have been giving life lessons for survivor.

[00:06:31] Um, and it's a very,

[00:06:33] very silly and fun podcast on babes on the brink.

[00:06:35] So thanks for Shannon for allowing me to spruik that,

[00:06:38] but I've also been enjoying your coverage.

[00:06:40] I've also been enjoying Eden's, um, survivor debrief as well with his brother.

[00:06:45] And, uh, yeah, I'm loving all the content.

[00:06:47] It is really fun to be able to have fun.

[00:06:50] Let me just put this out there now.

[00:06:51] Shannon.

[00:06:52] Like we have fun, we get silly, but we never really like,

[00:06:56] I mean towards the players where it is like acknowledge them as characters.

[00:06:59] So let me put out the disclaimer.

[00:07:01] I do love soul.

[00:07:03] That is, that is true.

[00:07:04] Like my love for soul is true and real.

[00:07:06] My love for Annika is true and real.

[00:07:07] Um, you know, any, any harsh commentary is, is all in jest, but yeah, no,

[00:07:12] it's been really fun to be podcasting.

[00:07:13] Yeah.

[00:07:15] Yeah.

[00:07:16] That's one that's made up for the drama in the pre-gaming that you guys did about

[00:07:19] who, who are we really just going to like, well,

[00:07:21] it probably will be a lot of production.

[00:07:23] Um,

[00:07:26] Eden.

[00:07:27] Yeah.

[00:07:27] So you've been, as we said,

[00:07:28] podcasting every week and how, how are you doing?

[00:07:30] Yeah.

[00:07:30] It's been really fun.

[00:07:32] Survivor debrief with my brother, Joshua.

[00:07:35] Um, he's also been a survivor fan.

[00:07:36] He, he lapsed a little bit.

[00:07:38] So he hasn't watched any new era or stuff like that.

[00:07:40] So I've been schooling him on the ways of the new era survivor.

[00:07:43] And it's been just really fun.

[00:07:44] I love you.

[00:07:44] Shannon, you know me.

[00:07:45] I love talking survivor with anyone.

[00:07:46] Um, so being able to do that and, uh, have, have, have a bit of fun.

[00:07:50] It's sort of short 30 minutes in and out, just our thoughts on, on each

[00:07:54] episode has been really fun.

[00:07:56] Um, and we should be looking at getting some guests.

[00:07:58] It's on the coming forward, like the backup this season as well,

[00:08:01] which would be even more fun.

[00:08:03] Um, I know, I know.

[00:08:06] And then I've been up with like, yeah, I was up in Queensland and movie

[00:08:08] convention, hanging out with Mark.

[00:08:10] Oh, so much fun.

[00:08:12] Yeah.

[00:08:12] I was going to, I want to be at a movie convention and hanging out with

[00:08:14] Mark.

[00:08:15] That sounds really, really fun.

[00:08:16] That sounds like a great words colliding.

[00:08:18] Well, thank you for making the time both of you to be here.

[00:08:22] And yes, for this episode, which had this big twist.

[00:08:25] Um, yeah.

[00:08:26] Eden, how have you felt about the season overall and how does this episode fit

[00:08:30] into that for you?

[00:08:31] I am loving this season.

[00:08:33] I think, I think what they've done is they've sort of honed in on some more

[00:08:37] interesting casting.

[00:08:38] I think that's been the biggest thing for this season that I've really loved.

[00:08:42] I love Andy's.

[00:08:43] I love Gabe's.

[00:08:44] I love Rome's all these people.

[00:08:46] One thing in common, this sloppy players as a Sierra would say, they're sloppy.

[00:08:51] Um, and I love the sloppiness.

[00:08:52] It's added another dimension to this season.

[00:08:54] We've had some of them.

[00:08:55] It's probably been my favorite premerge, um, of any of the new eras hands down.

[00:09:00] And I think it's because of these characters.

[00:09:02] Um, and interestingly enough, look, I don't like journeys.

[00:09:06] I hate journeys and I hate sort of how that's all sort of put together, but those twists

[00:09:11] that have happened that allowed Rome to hang around for longer.

[00:09:14] Cause he would have been first out that allowed a few other fun things to happen, which did

[00:09:18] sort of increase my enjoyment of the season so far.

[00:09:21] Um, I'm so excited to have some big characters still in the game at this point.

[00:09:25] Um, I'm loving your, like, I'm really loving Gabe.

[00:09:29] I'm love Caroline's come into play.

[00:09:31] Teenie.

[00:09:32] I love Teenie, but she's been pretty quiet.

[00:09:33] So I want to see some more Teenie action, um, front and center, which would be fantastic,

[00:09:38] but a lot of good characters.

[00:09:39] And I feel like I know everyone this season.

[00:09:41] Um, the people that were purple to have.

[00:09:44] Blossoms like beautiful flowers after a few episodes.

[00:09:47] So I'm really excited.

[00:09:48] Um, that the coverage has been really even across nearly all the players.

[00:09:52] Um, and it's great.

[00:09:53] And this episode especially is very interesting.

[00:09:57] Look, I'm not a big fan of the split up twist.

[00:09:59] I think that the, the way that you do this is to sort of,

[00:10:03] sort of stop a begonging.

[00:10:05] I don't think there was going to be a begonging.

[00:10:07] I don't think we haven't even started.

[00:10:08] You'd like, you know, kind of stop the ball rolling.

[00:10:10] We haven't even like started pushing it down the hill.

[00:10:12] There was, there was nothing to gong at all.

[00:10:14] And so I, I think this is in Jeff has this in his head, right?

[00:10:18] He loves six person tribal councils.

[00:10:22] He's obsessed with them.

[00:10:23] He's trying to think of all the different ways to mathematically get the most six person

[00:10:27] tribal councils as he could possibly can.

[00:10:30] And I think this is just another way to do that.

[00:10:32] He's like 12 people.

[00:10:33] Hang on.

[00:10:33] 12 divided by two.

[00:10:35] That's let's, let's do some cold.

[00:10:37] 18 divided by three, 12.

[00:10:38] We divided by two.

[00:10:39] We're gonna yeah.

[00:10:41] This is the future of, of, of survivor.

[00:10:43] I think, but yeah, no, maybe, maybe he's a really big fan of the musical six.

[00:10:48] It's in my head because I saw it this week.

[00:10:50] It's just like you, you, I want to put your, the Aragon, you know, this one's an owner of

[00:10:55] Cleves, you know, like this.

[00:10:56] And maybe he's, I don't know because it, yeah.

[00:10:58] I mean, I do think, and he said it on the on fire podcast last week.

[00:11:01] Like I didn't realize just really scared of big votes.

[00:11:04] Um, where a lot of people are vulnerable and that's, I think what's pushed Murgatory

[00:11:08] and the split tribal.

[00:11:09] I didn't realize that that's been guiding so much of the new era.

[00:11:11] So I went back this week to be like, why is Jeff so scared of this?

[00:11:14] What went so wrong?

[00:11:16] You know, what's the Terry D loses.

[00:11:17] So that's why we have a final three, you know, what's the, you know, and because every

[00:11:21] single change has like something that happened that he didn't like.

[00:11:23] And he's like, this is bad, you know, like, except you highlight Terry D.

[00:11:29] That is why, that's why then we have a final three.

[00:11:32] And that's why we have a new Michelle winning is why we have a new, um, final travel

[00:11:36] council format.

[00:11:37] Everything was in.

[00:11:37] So I'm like, what is it?

[00:11:38] And like, I guess I'm looking back and like, well, the Chris Noble boot was lopsided,

[00:11:42] but it was great in David versus Delilah.

[00:11:44] Like the Elizabeth boot was 12 to one, but it didn't take away from a great season.

[00:11:48] Like I'm, I guess like the Wendell Adam split in 40 was a little sleepy, but like, is anyone

[00:11:54] looking back at that and being like, that is terrible.

[00:11:56] I mean, definitely there's been way more criticism on these votes over and over and over again,

[00:12:00] these types of split tribals and definitely the, the, you know, constricted six person tribes

[00:12:04] than any of those kind of like uneven, you know, or like even in game changes, there was

[00:12:09] like a, like a split at the merge.

[00:12:11] All of that is fine.

[00:12:12] Like all of that.

[00:12:13] So I don't know what exact, why he's so hung up on it, but I feel like if anything, like

[00:12:18] this has been, you know, people have complained a lot more.

[00:12:20] Certainly I have Mark.

[00:12:22] Yeah.

[00:12:22] What do you think about all of this?

[00:12:24] I come back to two, two points, trust and tension, two T's for Tiana.

[00:12:30] Uh, trust is Jeff just needs to trust the players.

[00:12:35] And like, they were doing it.

[00:12:37] Genevieve was doing it.

[00:12:38] Andy was doing it.

[00:12:39] Like we were, we were building towards something.

[00:12:42] It was happy.

[00:12:42] Their players are doing it.

[00:12:44] They're not dummies.

[00:12:44] You know, uh, the players, this is what I feel about, you know, whenever I criticize

[00:12:49] the new era, I do it with like a heavy heart because the players are doing their best.

[00:12:54] The players are trying to play their best and they're incredible.

[00:12:57] Like the casting is incredible.

[00:12:59] I still go back to 45.

[00:13:01] I think 45 is like the best of the new era.

[00:13:03] Um, just because I got a soft spot in my heart for them, but they are, like, it's not the

[00:13:07] players fault.

[00:13:08] They are, they are.

[00:13:10] If you let them run, they will run, give them the ball.

[00:13:12] They will score a touchdown, you know?

[00:13:14] Um, but so they just need to trust them.

[00:13:16] And the reason why I think having a big tribal council is good is because even if, even if Jeff

[00:13:24] can't count past six and, and then there's a 12 person tribal council.

[00:13:29] And even if there's a safe vote, like Rome was last, the previous episode, it builds tension.

[00:13:35] So like a big tribal council.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:39] And I have experienced it built.

[00:13:41] If someone quits the game and there's not a, there's not even a vote, it's still builds

[00:13:45] tension because you're trying to navigate so many different people.

[00:13:48] And I think that they, if they just trusted the players to play hard and they are playing

[00:13:53] hard, like everyone's playing buddy hard.

[00:13:56] Uh, they, even if you get one, like I don't see one, one pile on vote as being boring because

[00:14:04] it sets up, it sets up the tension for the next vote, which is what we were robbed of.

[00:14:08] So any criticism I have of the new year is absolutely targeted at someone who doesn't

[00:14:13] care what I think, Jeff, um, for all the players out there, but maybe he is like Jeff,

[00:14:19] give me a call, but, um, but, but for the, but for the players out there, like I feel for

[00:14:23] the players because they, you know, like imagine like Genevieve and Andy and soul, like there

[00:14:28] was something.

[00:14:29] And then, and Tini was even trying to get into the action with the, with your women's

[00:14:32] alliance, which hopefully we'll touch on.

[00:14:34] Um, but like they were trying, they were trying and then, then they had to sort of backtrack

[00:14:39] stuff.

[00:14:39] Um, like, yeah, I feel for the players that they didn't have the opportunity to do it because

[00:14:44] those big tribal councils are wild.

[00:14:46] Like they're wild.

[00:14:48] And as a player, it's you, that's like the most challenging, you know, aspect of the game,

[00:14:53] even though it's day 14, but yeah, anyway.

[00:14:55] But the thing is as well, as you make the content that you have out of it, like if it's a big,

[00:14:59] you know, like the winner vote, like if it's like a big split group, that's great.

[00:15:02] If it is something where it piles on, like with Rome, you know, they made the content that

[00:15:05] they had of that something like Chris Noble, like that was very entertaining.

[00:15:08] Like it's more about just using it and being like, they can be, you know, one sleepy episode

[00:15:12] if necessary.

[00:15:12] And it's often very good.

[00:15:13] Like if anything, they're stopping the dynamics, but I do, I blame Henry the eighth.

[00:15:17] I'm thinking that if he had 12 ex-wives, I think that he should have been.

[00:15:21] And that's going to be.

[00:15:24] If it's like, if we get down to the final five, they've voted someone out.

[00:15:28] Does Jeff pull a, like a new era?

[00:15:32] Um, what was it?

[00:15:33] Um, what was it on Pearl Island?

[00:15:34] The, um, Ryan and the, what were they called?

[00:15:36] The Outcast.

[00:15:38] Yep, an Outcast twist to rebuild the six.

[00:15:42] So we just, no matter what happens, it gets a final five and Lil just appears out of the jungle.

[00:15:48] The same uniform.

[00:15:50] She's actually like improved, like her sleeve is full.

[00:15:52] You've been waiting.

[00:15:53] 20 years.

[00:15:54] Her sleeve is full of like...

[00:15:56] Hey, what are we doing out here?

[00:15:57] Lil.

[00:15:58] What, wait, you think she's just been like a scout out on the island for 20 years?

[00:16:02] Is that...

[00:16:03] I think, I think I've seen her in making fire.

[00:16:06] She's in Jumanji.

[00:16:07] She's in the game.

[00:16:08] She's like the, the, like the...

[00:16:11] Alan Dyerish.

[00:16:11] Like a non-playing character.

[00:16:13] This has gone to some places.

[00:16:15] But do you think that Lil would be the Aragorn?

[00:16:18] No, it's fine.

[00:16:18] It's not, it's not a point about which part of the city she would be.

[00:16:22] I think she's, you know, like if you're a scout, you like have to do the challenges in order to get like little patches on your shoulder.

[00:16:28] She's actually just like fully covered head to toe in patches.

[00:16:31] Yeah, I've just been here.

[00:16:32] She's done like everything.

[00:16:33] And then now she's like, I am ready.

[00:16:35] I am, I am learned in the game of Survivor.

[00:16:38] What you do is, what you do is, you roll your shot in the dark.

[00:16:42] And because Lil must, in the jungle, she must wait unless someone rolls a five or eight and they roll it and then she...

[00:16:49] As you know, Eden, you don't actually roll the shot in the dark.

[00:16:53] Yeah, well, come on Shannon.

[00:16:54] That's not how that is.

[00:16:55] But also, shot in the dark, sixth side, something is going on.

[00:17:01] Something's going on in the Luminati style is happening.

[00:17:04] And if you think about it, there's probably a lot going on that we need to think about and it may be a ploy.

[00:17:09] But okay, but this is what another thing that I was thinking and that I tweeted this because I was thinking about how Eden went to like unquantifiable amount of tribal councils and still missed the jury and like Tiana went to three.

[00:17:19] And this is the kind of stuff that I would be insecure about if I was a producer.

[00:17:21] I'd be like, are they playing?

[00:17:23] Look how much they're playing on Australian Survivor.

[00:17:25] Like, how can we compare it to that?

[00:17:26] And like, you know, it's been even this season.

[00:17:28] They've all been now to like three tribals because basically all the tribes lost twice with Tuku now.

[00:17:33] But like last season, Tevin went at 10 and it was his second vulnerable tribal council.

[00:17:38] For me, like I wouldn't care about like, oh, well, they're not going to have rice.

[00:17:41] Like they have to suffer.

[00:17:42] I'd be like, it's 26 days, but believe me, they're playing.

[00:17:45] And like all of these things give them out.

[00:17:47] It's like a whole half of the group sitting on the sidelines for me.

[00:17:51] I'm like, no, make them earn their, you know, scout style badges, survivor style by like getting through votes where they're vulnerable.

[00:17:57] And this is the game because I do like when I'm judging winners as an example, like the Tom Westmans and Michelle Fitzgerald who go to fewer tribals.

[00:18:04] And for me have like less to earn in my metric of strategy.

[00:18:07] Like that's like a mark against them for me.

[00:18:10] So I feel like I that's what I would be doing.

[00:18:13] Like as much as there's like the monster and make them suffer.

[00:18:15] And like it is like unfortunate for what would have been like a Rachel and we can talk about it for like Tiana, but then six other people who didn't win a challenge are immune.

[00:18:23] You know, like two tribes in a three tribe configuration are like they earn it, but they're immune.

[00:18:29] And then someone else is in a really constricted group.

[00:18:31] That's difficult.

[00:18:32] So it's like as much as there's like it's unlucky for some, it's very, very lucky often for others.

[00:18:37] And I feel like those outs to me on the opposite of what Jeff is trying to do by being like, it's so dangerous and it's so difficult.

[00:18:43] And I think we've talked about this before because it's been fricking years, but I just, it stood out to me because I'm like, don't have them sit on the sidelines when you only have 26 days.

[00:18:51] Like get them fricking playing and voting and scared and running around.

[00:18:54] Right.

[00:18:55] Hasn't Kyle?

[00:18:57] Tini's been drunk as many times as Tini's been drunk.

[00:19:01] Tini's been drunk as many times as being to tribal council.

[00:19:05] She's been drunk twice.

[00:19:07] Hasn't Kyle only been, Kyle has only been not safe once at that very first TK one.

[00:19:14] He's had immunity and he's never gone again.

[00:19:16] So there was only that one.

[00:19:17] And it was that what the first tribal council?

[00:19:19] The second tribal council.

[00:19:20] Well, he won it.

[00:19:20] He won the immunity last week.

[00:19:22] That's people can win immunity.

[00:19:23] That's fine.

[00:19:23] And I want to talk.

[00:19:24] He won this week, even though he was third.

[00:19:26] And that's like, isn't something I would think I would care about.

[00:19:29] Yeah.

[00:19:29] It was very jarring for me.

[00:19:31] I don't like that.

[00:19:33] I think it's a stats person in me that's like, he didn't win.

[00:19:37] Like people wouldn't even remember that Tini and Genevieve were the two that beat him.

[00:19:41] Like they, like, I just, it's so uncomfortable for me.

[00:19:45] I'd feel like a fraud.

[00:19:46] I'd feel like a fraud.

[00:19:48] I'd be shamed.

[00:19:48] I'd be like, I can't win this.

[00:19:49] Would you hand it back?

[00:19:50] Would you hand it back, Mark?

[00:19:52] Yeah, I'd hand it back.

[00:19:53] I'd fling it over, like give it to Tini.

[00:19:55] You know, she's like, having the deal.

[00:19:55] Hang on, are we talking some sort of one world situation where you go, no, we're going

[00:19:59] to tribal council.

[00:20:00] I'm going to tribal council.

[00:20:01] I don't want to be, no, I was like, I want to be immune.

[00:20:04] That's fine.

[00:20:05] But I don't want to wear the necklace.

[00:20:07] Like, I don't think I should be wearing this.

[00:20:08] I don't want the stat.

[00:20:09] I can be safe in my group.

[00:20:11] That's fair.

[00:20:12] But like, I mean, like what?

[00:20:13] So, and I was trying to think about this, like trying to contrive it a little bit so that

[00:20:17] the person on the other side can win something.

[00:20:20] But it's like, do I even want to put more in the game?

[00:20:22] But it just felt so wrong that even the way Jeff was like, it's over.

[00:20:25] You're done.

[00:20:25] It was just like, that was just bad game design.

[00:20:28] I know that was so strange.

[00:20:30] It was so weird.

[00:20:31] And Teenie and Genevieve were just like, oh, cool.

[00:20:32] No one had to win.

[00:20:36] Like, it's bizarre in the world.

[00:20:39] I don't like it.

[00:20:40] You should have to win.

[00:20:40] You know, that's like where the game, and again, I'm not criticizing the players because

[00:20:46] I love them all.

[00:20:46] But the game detracts from like, Survivor.

[00:20:50] Like, it's like they've introduced this twist and all of a sudden, what's his name?

[00:20:55] Old Country Boy.

[00:20:56] Kyle is wearing a necklace, which is a great necklace.

[00:20:59] I love the necklace.

[00:21:00] But like, you feel weird.

[00:21:02] It gives you the ick, you know, because you're like, well, that's not right.

[00:21:05] I mean, like a twist.

[00:21:06] Like, you know, it just doesn't feel right.

[00:21:08] It just doesn't feel something's not right.

[00:21:10] And it hits you on a deeper level.

[00:21:12] Do you think the other thing is with like, it's only been 13 days.

[00:21:15] And I was thinking about this with Josh as well.

[00:21:17] How many times are you going to say that?

[00:21:19] I'm going to say it a lot because we were out there a lot longer.

[00:21:21] Wait 26 days.

[00:21:24] Yes.

[00:21:26] What's going on?

[00:21:28] What is the six of, what is happening?

[00:21:30] Have you seen the film number 13 with Jim Carrey?

[00:21:33] It's going to be very, it's very that.

[00:21:35] Oh my God.

[00:21:37] What code are we being delivered here?

[00:21:40] It's like Iron Maiden, you know, like if you listen to Iron Maiden,

[00:21:43] the number of the beast, 666.

[00:21:45] It's like, if you, if you play it backwards,

[00:21:47] it's going to be like a satanic verse.

[00:21:49] Oh my God.

[00:21:52] Has anyone played the episode backwards?

[00:21:55] I actually have.

[00:21:56] That's what I did next.

[00:21:58] No, of course.

[00:21:58] Wait, it's all sixes.

[00:22:00] And six is, that is bad.

[00:22:02] That is a bad number.

[00:22:04] The number of the beast.

[00:22:05] Yep.

[00:22:06] Oh my God.

[00:22:07] And every configuration we get, we have three sixes.

[00:22:10] We get it in three tribes.

[00:22:11] We get it in two groups and we have it in one group.

[00:22:14] I know it's, we need a numberologist.

[00:22:17] Religious people in the States are going to be protesting.

[00:22:19] Janet's actually freaking out by the way everyone.

[00:22:20] Yeah.

[00:22:21] I've become a conspiracy theorist so quickly right now.

[00:22:24] Like, I'm just like, it's undeniable.

[00:22:26] Like something's going on.

[00:22:28] It's proof.

[00:22:29] Hang on.

[00:22:29] Shannon, you did a three person podcast last week.

[00:22:32] And now you're in on it.

[00:22:34] I'm secretly in on it.

[00:22:36] Yeah.

[00:22:37] Okay.

[00:22:38] I'm trying to keep my own.

[00:22:39] What I was going to say though.

[00:22:40] Yeah.

[00:22:40] 21 days.

[00:22:42] Do you guys, do you guys think.

[00:22:43] 26 days.

[00:22:44] Going through this game.

[00:22:46] I don't think it's long enough to actually get annoyed with people like at a, just living

[00:22:52] at tribe.

[00:22:54] No, I think that's one of the reasons why there hasn't been in the new era as many people

[00:22:59] sort of really getting under each other's skin and really blowing up.

[00:23:03] It's very being very game body.

[00:23:04] Except for last season.

[00:23:05] Yeah.

[00:23:05] Except for last season.

[00:23:06] Exactly.

[00:23:06] Last season was very different, but I think it's something about that flying through the

[00:23:10] game and people just being able to be like, we'll just get through it.

[00:23:12] We'll just put this person out.

[00:23:13] That's fine.

[00:23:14] In the, in the, in the old days, people used to really get frustrated with each other.

[00:23:18] And I think it's just a length thing.

[00:23:19] I know, I know in, in Australian survivor, people still get annoyed.

[00:23:23] Yeah.

[00:23:24] And what day could you no longer stand to look at Mark?

[00:23:27] Tell me from like a day perspective.

[00:23:29] I could look at Mark every day.

[00:23:31] Oh, that guy.

[00:23:32] Straight back at you.

[00:23:33] He's a handsome guy.

[00:23:37] Kelly, on the other hand.

[00:23:40] One minute.

[00:23:43] Six minutes.

[00:23:44] Sorry.

[00:23:46] Yeah.

[00:23:47] Well, this has gone so off the rails, but I'm re considering a lot of.

[00:23:51] I want to, I want to, I want to tell you Shannon that I got some trivia.

[00:23:54] I did some research.

[00:23:55] Yeah.

[00:23:56] Yeah.

[00:23:57] Did you know what the tribe name is?

[00:23:59] Becca.

[00:24:00] Becca.

[00:24:01] Yeah.

[00:24:02] You know what that means?

[00:24:03] Bat.

[00:24:04] Yeah.

[00:24:05] That's the buddy theme of this.

[00:24:07] Like, that's how meta the game is going.

[00:24:09] It's like, yeah, it's, oh, okay.

[00:24:11] Well, that's pretty, that's pretty, um, anticlimactic.

[00:24:13] There we go.

[00:24:14] Moving on.

[00:24:15] No, it's, it's, I have a fear of bats.

[00:24:18] So I don't love it.

[00:24:19] So you know the name for bat in every language?

[00:24:21] That's like, wherever you go.

[00:24:24] No, I'm on Twitter a lot.

[00:24:26] Someone tweeted it.

[00:24:27] Someone tweeted that Becca meant bat.

[00:24:29] That was it.

[00:24:31] Nothing happens that I don't see.

[00:24:32] All right.

[00:24:33] But yeah, I mean, I know bat and Becca now.

[00:24:35] Those are the two types of bats that I know.

[00:24:37] What, what other trivia did you, was that it?

[00:24:40] No, there's one more.

[00:24:41] Okay.

[00:24:41] There's one more.

[00:24:42] So, uh, like, and I don't want to get political, but next week is, uh, is

[00:24:47] the U S presidential camp, uh, election.

[00:24:49] Like, do you know how many times survivor and the U S presidential election campaign has

[00:24:55] overlapped?

[00:24:57] What do you mean on the same day or like, well, no, no, no.

[00:25:00] But I mean like, like the election has come out whilst the it's been on TV.

[00:25:04] I'm not making your mouth Andy style and sitting there like in the sand.

[00:25:07] Every four years since 20, since 2000.

[00:25:10] But like, have they missed like, like is survivor?

[00:25:13] Has it always?

[00:25:14] They missed 2020.

[00:25:15] I remember that.

[00:25:15] Cause I was watching the election.

[00:25:16] Like it was survivor.

[00:25:17] I'm like, they just slipped a vote, but it was a state.

[00:25:20] It was a swing state.

[00:25:21] It wasn't like Caroline.

[00:25:22] It was Pennsylvania.

[00:25:25] Um, yeah, I'm trying to think.

[00:25:27] Um, I don't know how many years.

[00:25:31] No, I'm just thinking about Pennsylvania using an immunity idol to stay.

[00:25:36] Oh, go and ask some people.

[00:25:37] Cause we can get some conspiracy theories from people who might, is this a six time?

[00:25:40] Is this a six time?

[00:25:42] One, two, three, four, five, six.

[00:25:46] Oh my God.

[00:25:47] Are you kidding me?

[00:25:48] I'm getting up and I'm leaving.

[00:25:49] Are you actually kidding me Mark?

[00:25:50] With an asterisk, with an asterisk.

[00:25:52] Because in the year 2000, uh, Al Gore v. George Bush.

[00:25:56] Yeah.

[00:25:57] Uh, it, it didn't quite overlap, but the recount, if you're accounting, the recount went to the 12th of December.

[00:26:05] Uh, and or like in December, and then, um, Africa was aired in early 2001.

[00:26:11] So actually it's the fifth because of 2020.

[00:26:14] No, no, it's not.

[00:26:15] That's not.

[00:26:15] Well, like it's an asterisk.

[00:26:16] It's 26 with an asterisk.

[00:26:18] Yeah.

[00:26:18] But like pretty much every single time they've, uh, it's overlooked except for the first one.

[00:26:23] But like, it was pretty close because Borneo and Africa would like, were at least quite close amongst each other.

[00:26:29] But isn't that strange?

[00:26:30] Like, isn't that amazing?

[00:26:31] Like you think how so long, you think like how long has Survivor been around?

[00:26:35] Frickin Al Gore was in running for president.

[00:26:37] Like, oh my God, that is.

[00:26:39] Yeah, that's true.

[00:26:39] I was seven years old.

[00:26:40] I mean, to be fair, there's only an election every four years.

[00:26:43] It's like having a birthday and a leap year.

[00:26:45] Are you sure you were seven or not six?

[00:26:48] When was it?

[00:26:49] That was my birthday.

[00:26:50] You were actually seven?

[00:26:51] It's really strange that someone offered me free tickets to six this week.

[00:26:54] I think we have to stop.

[00:26:56] It's worse than the queue stuff.

[00:26:57] It's really bad.

[00:26:58] This is getting worse.

[00:26:59] Yeah, good.

[00:26:59] I'm going.

[00:27:00] Is anyone else enjoying this or what are we even talking about?

[00:27:02] I had a lot to talk about.

[00:27:04] Um, all right, let's talk about this.

[00:27:07] And then.

[00:27:07] Hang on, have we started recording Shannon?

[00:27:10] Oh God.

[00:27:12] You wouldn't think so.

[00:27:14] You wouldn't.

[00:27:15] Okay.

[00:27:15] We're actually 26 minutes in Eden.

[00:27:17] No!

[00:27:22] We actually are because like with people's abs and stuff in mind, it's just like no, but

[00:27:26] we can see the recording number.

[00:27:27] It is.

[00:27:27] It's 26 minutes.

[00:27:29] It's coming.

[00:27:30] It's coming.

[00:27:30] Okay.

[00:27:31] No.

[00:27:31] Okay.

[00:27:31] Real question.

[00:27:33] Shannon, come on.

[00:27:34] Get us back on track, buddy.

[00:27:35] I'm the host.

[00:27:36] I've enjoyed this.

[00:27:41] So how screwed was Tiana?

[00:27:43] That's the question.

[00:27:44] Eden, just answer it.

[00:27:45] You know, how much?

[00:27:46] Cause I think that's been the big question this week.

[00:27:48] I think it is.

[00:27:49] I think it is a big question, but there is, there is screwed and then they're screwed

[00:27:53] because screwed sometimes implies that there is nothing you could have done to better your

[00:27:58] situation in the game.

[00:27:59] And the twist just came in and you're just like hands tied.

[00:28:02] Okay.

[00:28:03] Well, I'm done then.

[00:28:04] I think there were things that she could have done.

[00:28:06] I think there was relationships that she couldn't build.

[00:28:08] And look, I think she was great, but there were definitely mistakes that she made building

[00:28:13] up to this tribal council.

[00:28:15] I think her breakdown relationship with Gabe, I think the fact that she didn't try and build

[00:28:20] some better bonds like with Rachel, she didn't have that.

[00:28:24] She didn't have that really strong fight and the Caroline of it all.

[00:28:27] She never quite, she couldn't convince Caroline, but there was definitely things that

[00:28:30] she built better relationships or if she kept Gabe on side.

[00:28:33] Um, I actually think, do you think if Kyle was, um, not immune, I was, I was under the

[00:28:38] impression.

[00:28:39] I think Kyle actually may have been the target.

[00:28:43] I don't think so for the reasons of Kyle's, I think a good shield.

[00:28:48] And I also think that possibly at a point in the original Tuku, like right after TK goes

[00:28:54] possibly, but it would depend on how much they think they need him for challenges.

[00:28:57] Cause clearly he's one to immunity challenges.

[00:28:59] Right.

[00:28:59] So he's very good at the challenges.

[00:29:00] Um, but that's what the stats say.

[00:29:03] Um, but I do think now Tiana is more of a pressing issue for them.

[00:29:06] Like she's gone out of her way to throw Gabe out repeatedly, um, in a way that is bad for

[00:29:11] Gabe and bad for Sue as an ally to Gabe.

[00:29:14] She, she knew about, um, the red paint.

[00:29:16] And I think in her exes was pretty inconsistent about how much she moved forward with Sue with

[00:29:20] that.

[00:29:20] So it could have been a bit of a ticking time bomb.

[00:29:22] Like, I do think that she probably even without Kyle being immune is the target, but it is

[00:29:28] unfortunate that with Kyle being immune, you know, when Rachel leaves tribal eight of

[00:29:32] 12 people being immune is going to make it feel pretty constricted.

[00:29:35] So like, I think within that, with the twist on the twist, like it's always going to feel

[00:29:40] like someone got a little bit screwed and we can kind of like, I think talk through the

[00:29:43] metrics of that.

[00:29:43] But I do think that with where Tiana was at in Tuku and the fact that there was a whole

[00:29:48] Tuku tribe and it was so earned of why she was on the bottom of Tuku.

[00:29:50] And like the fact that she didn't know the dynamics of a tribe the whole time, like all

[00:29:53] that stuff was very earned.

[00:29:54] So I feel like within the fact that there'll always be a little bit of an asterisk on something

[00:29:58] like this, she's at the upper, upper, upper, like most extreme end of the spectrum of,

[00:30:03] but within that it's as earned as it could possibly be knowing we'll always kind of look

[00:30:07] side-eye at how twisty something like this is.

[00:30:10] Um, what do you think, Ma?

[00:30:12] Uh, I, I think that she's pretty unlucky.

[00:30:16] I think she's super unlucky and I think screwed is tough.

[00:30:19] Um, but what, what, what I think is unlucky is that you, Gabe was at tribal council after,

[00:30:28] um, Rachel left and he was like, Oh, we just go back to how we were thinking back when we

[00:30:33] were three tribes.

[00:30:34] And I'm like, no, no, the game has moved on.

[00:30:38] Tiana's made connections.

[00:30:40] It's like Tiana boom.

[00:30:41] And like, as soon as it's merged, she's out there talking to, um, she's in the conversation

[00:30:45] with teeny.

[00:30:46] She's in the conversation, like building a girls' alliance.

[00:30:49] She is actually like building new relationships.

[00:30:52] So I think she had done some really good work, um, in recognition of a position within the

[00:30:57] tribe.

[00:30:58] Like she wasn't just like sticking to it.

[00:30:59] She was throwing Gabe out there.

[00:31:00] Like, I think she, she stuck her neck out, you know, she really stuck her neck out, um,

[00:31:05] throwing Gabe out there, not knowing that one, they were going to get divided into two

[00:31:10] tribes.

[00:31:10] And then two, all of the Tuku members would be on the same tribe plus Rachel.

[00:31:14] And then right.

[00:31:15] And then three, Rachel was going to be removed to the last second, you know?

[00:31:19] And, um, so that's one.

[00:31:21] So I think that like, you can't really put the genie back in the bottle.

[00:31:24] Once you've merged, you know, you go out there, you know, someone who's

[00:31:27] To be fair, she did do it slightly before the merge at the social hour when Tuku could have

[00:31:31] gone back to tribal council.

[00:31:33] That's true.

[00:31:34] And that's where she like, didn't maintain her relationship with Sue.

[00:31:37] I think that's true.

[00:31:38] But her relationship with Caroline was like actually pretty good.

[00:31:42] Um, and that's what I would get to number two is that like, I don't think that Tiana

[00:31:45] really stuffed up.

[00:31:46] I think that it's more around Caroline, Caroline deciding where she wants to go in this game.

[00:31:54] And Caroline, uh, like Sue, Sue's done.

[00:31:58] Uh, uh, but the way that Caroline structured the, the vote with, with, um, I always call

[00:32:04] him my old boy, Kyle, um, to vote for, um, to vote for Tiana, because I really do feel

[00:32:09] like that was more of a decisive play from Caroline rather than like a stuff up on Tiana's

[00:32:16] behalf.

[00:32:17] I think she actually did quite well.

[00:32:19] So I don't think those two things are like mutually exclusive though.

[00:32:22] Right.

[00:32:22] Like, I think the fact that Caroline wouldn't choose her and the fact that Tiana spent the

[00:32:27] game thinking that she was more aligned with like Sue and Caroline than someone like Gabe

[00:32:31] was like, she's making all the decisions with that.

[00:32:34] But I don't think she thought she was with Sue.

[00:32:36] Like I really felt like she said she didn't know that Sue and Gabe were close.

[00:32:39] I think, but I think the thing is she didn't have that read that Sue, that was obvious that

[00:32:43] she didn't know how close Gabe and Sue were because there's no way at that survivor hour.

[00:32:48] Yeah.

[00:32:49] She just put that out there in front of Sue.

[00:32:51] Oh, how long is an hour?

[00:32:54] Like, anyway, not all back off track.

[00:32:56] I'm just, it's weird.

[00:32:58] That, that was terrible.

[00:33:00] That read on the tribe dynamic at that point was obviously Sue's going to go back and tell

[00:33:04] Gabe.

[00:33:04] And unless you're going to take a shot and unless you know you can take a shot at someone,

[00:33:09] putting someone's name out there that early is, is a huge red flag.

[00:33:12] Like I just love the Caro and the Caro and Tiana conversation was absolutely fantastic.

[00:33:16] It's one of my favorite conversations in this season so far.

[00:33:20] It was that perfect breakdown of two people seeing the game so differently and both.

[00:33:26] And I loved how it was.

[00:33:27] This is purely brainstorming guys.

[00:33:29] This is purely brainstorming.

[00:33:30] I love that, that concept that you can just give yourself the space to, yeah.

[00:33:34] I thought that was, that was perfect that Caro did that.

[00:33:37] This is really bumped Caro up in my books as well.

[00:33:39] This one conversation.

[00:33:40] The fact that Tiana sees the game, like if we come back as a strong unit, we're going

[00:33:45] to be targeted.

[00:33:46] We're going to be this.

[00:33:47] And she's also emotionally, she wants to get rid of Gabe because she's already thrown

[00:33:50] his name out there.

[00:33:50] So this is what she wants.

[00:33:52] And then Caro's like, no, I need my shields.

[00:33:54] Gabe's my shield.

[00:33:54] And the fact that Caro couldn't be swayed, Tiana didn't have the, basically the social

[00:34:00] capital of the skills to really sway Caro at that point.

[00:34:03] And then Caro just convinced her to, to, to, to stick to the plan.

[00:34:07] Um, and I just thought Caro just went so high in my books.

[00:34:11] She, to me, I wasn't really looking at it, but after that, after what she sort of put

[00:34:14] together, I'm really impressed with how she broke that down.

[00:34:17] Yeah.

[00:34:17] I agree.

[00:34:18] I think both things are valid.

[00:34:20] Yeah.

[00:34:22] Caroline definitely is playing like a particular sort of game.

[00:34:25] She's playing, she's executing it well so far, but I do have concerns for Caroline.

[00:34:30] And I think like, but will we come down to the breakdown of the vote, particularly in

[00:34:34] front of like half of the other tribe?

[00:34:36] Yeah.

[00:34:37] Well, that's interesting that you say that because I, well, I think like for Tiana, like

[00:34:40] in terms of like her, you know, being screwed, I feel like there's, you know, a lot

[00:34:44] of nuance that's been given.

[00:34:45] And like, as an example, if soul feels better about Tiana than Rachel, then he doesn't, you

[00:34:50] know, give the advantage.

[00:34:51] And like Heidi chose not to help Matt last time.

[00:34:54] And like, if Heidi had a similar thing and had chosen to help Matt and their relationship

[00:34:57] coming from Soka together would have been valid.

[00:34:59] But then like jam jam probably goes, you know, like it was, it was valid for Tiana that she

[00:35:04] was not on the bottom.

[00:35:05] It was a good configuration for her in terms of that, that Rachel was there, but she was

[00:35:10] second.

[00:35:10] And that is earned.

[00:35:11] That's where jam jam was.

[00:35:12] And she loses that in a way that is like unforeseeable.

[00:35:16] You know, it's not like they're like, you know, just like go for the shot in the dark.

[00:35:19] Don't have another option.

[00:35:20] Take the risk.

[00:35:21] It hits.

[00:35:21] And then like, what are you going to do?

[00:35:22] Like, this was like, it was on another beach.

[00:35:24] And it was a hundred percent.

[00:35:25] It wasn't, you know, the 16%.

[00:35:27] So I think that that is tough.

[00:35:29] And I think it's earned.

[00:35:29] But at the same time, I feel like the fact that she's at the bottom of the tribe in itself

[00:35:33] is earned.

[00:35:34] The fact that like soul is, is not giving it to her or is choosing to help Rachel knowing

[00:35:39] it might doom Tiana like that on the sideline.

[00:35:41] They're like, I think it'll be Tiana.

[00:35:42] So they, they know they're fine with dooming her.

[00:35:45] Um, I think parts of that are earned.

[00:35:46] And I also think the fact that, um, you know, she can't get her way.

[00:35:50] Like even when she wasn't going to go, Rachel was going to go.

[00:35:53] And that's not what she even wanted because she didn't have the power in that tribe.

[00:35:56] And she put out Gabe's name with the wrong information.

[00:35:58] And then inconsistently had to go against it because she couldn't get it done.

[00:36:02] And I think that that kind of shows like the issues in her game.

[00:36:05] Like, I think the fact that she was on the bottom of the tribe was incredibly earned.

[00:36:08] And the fact that this tribe happened to be in this configuration was incredibly contrived

[00:36:12] and convoluted.

[00:36:12] But once we've gotten there, there's a reason it's her and it would never be someone like

[00:36:16] Caroline and based on the work that they've done.

[00:36:18] But I feel like you disagree about it because you are shaking your head.

[00:36:22] It's just like, I agree.

[00:36:24] I agree.

[00:36:25] But I also just think that it's like the way it panned out is like a, you know, like when

[00:36:29] you have like a, um, like a decision decision tree, it's like, if, if left, if yes, then left

[00:36:35] if no, then, and then it's like, like fucking like, sorry, like Tiana, like hit every single

[00:36:42] unlucky outcome in the breakdown, you know?

[00:36:44] Like for example, did soul really prefer Rachel over Tiana?

[00:36:48] Or was it just more like, Hey, let's just like remove the Garda person and let these five

[00:36:53] Tukus duke it out.

[00:36:54] Like it may not have been a personal thing towards Tiana.

[00:36:57] I don't know.

[00:36:57] It's necessarily personal, but I think if he's that close with Tiana, then I know, but it's

[00:37:02] like, they're back taking precedence.

[00:37:04] But yeah.

[00:37:04] And they just, and that is tough.

[00:37:06] Yeah.

[00:37:06] You know how it was, um, it was also anonymous.

[00:37:09] What soul could do.

[00:37:10] No one else knew about it.

[00:37:11] And I think that set it up to be given to Rachel because if everyone knew that soul had to

[00:37:16] give it to someone, I think he, I think you second guess giving it to Rachel at that point,

[00:37:21] but it's just 99% of the time.

[00:37:23] If no one knows what you're doing in that configuration, you're giving it to Rachel.

[00:37:27] You're definitely giving it to Rachel because that puts the cat amongst the pigeons.

[00:37:30] Yeah.

[00:37:31] An eagle.

[00:37:32] Six eagles, you know?

[00:37:33] Yeah.

[00:37:33] I think, I think that's, I think that's what it feels like.

[00:37:36] It's like when you do a twist like this, like if you have a big, like the, and we've,

[00:37:38] we'll talk about it.

[00:37:39] Like there was so many strategic possibilities.

[00:37:41] Like we don't know how the power structures will play out.

[00:37:43] It's kind of looking like it might be against Tukou next week, but like the possibilities

[00:37:47] of relationships were endless.

[00:37:49] Whereas now it breaks it down to like these kinds of binary decisions that was going to

[00:37:53] be like Rachel, or we're going to turn on each other.

[00:37:55] And then once Rachel goes, it's like Gabe or Tiana, like it's these two things.

[00:37:58] And that is very constrictive for someone like Tiana, especially when the other person

[00:38:01] on the bottom is immune, even though they didn't make him third in a challenge, you know?

[00:38:05] Um, and I mean like earn that immunity over her to be fair, but like incredibly constricted.

[00:38:10] And I think another thing that goes a little bit missing, especially for someone like more

[00:38:13] like Rachel even, but like, you know, even looking at like someone like, well, like even

[00:38:18] if it had been a two who tribal council, cause this was like, okay, it was kind of like

[00:38:21] a swap, like they merge and then swap again.

[00:38:23] Um, but it's not because I think if you were to swap, then there are medium to long-term

[00:38:29] dynamics you have to think about for someone like Rachel, if they swap and they think we're

[00:38:32] going to be in this configuration for a certain amount of time.

[00:38:35] They're thinking they're going to merge at a point.

[00:38:37] So you already have to think about what they're thinking about.

[00:38:39] What if we're a minority of Gata?

[00:38:40] Like maybe we have to, you know, look at that anyway for a possible merge at a point, depending

[00:38:44] on how much we win or when we merge.

[00:38:46] We also have to think, what if we lose?

[00:38:48] And then we don't want to necessarily take out someone like a Rachel because then what

[00:38:51] are we going to do next time?

[00:38:52] You know, like we might need her as a swing next time.

[00:38:54] So you can then use that as leverage.

[00:38:56] There's just so little leverage someone can use when it's like, you know, you're in this

[00:39:00] configuration for one vote and there's little to think about.

[00:39:04] And it's very binary.

[00:39:05] I think it's bad from a TV perspective.

[00:39:07] And I do think this was like the low light of a fun season for me.

[00:39:10] And that like 10 minutes of tribal council, knowing that Rachel was going to get up when

[00:39:14] she's like, yeah, I hope I'm in with the plan.

[00:39:18] And I was like, three times this, please.

[00:39:21] Like, yeah, like painful, like not good TV either, but like also from a game perspective

[00:39:25] and with that TV, just I think very, very limited.

[00:39:29] Yeah.

[00:39:29] You know, what's also interesting about Rachel, which I haven't heard being discussed is I

[00:39:33] think she was obviously like awesome to be safe and get yourself out of that situation.

[00:39:40] But she didn't get to witness the tribal council.

[00:39:43] Like she went back to camp.

[00:39:44] And so, so she didn't get to actually.

[00:39:48] No, no, no, no, no.

[00:39:49] But she didn't get like, I would have loved if, if that was me, I would have wanted to have

[00:39:54] gone to the jury and be like, well, can I just sit on the jury now?

[00:39:57] And like, observe this.

[00:39:58] So like when she goes back to camp, she's there, maybe she's hunting parietals.

[00:40:02] I don't know.

[00:40:03] But then everyone's going to come back.

[00:40:05] And then she has to hear like watching that scramble gave the people on the jury lots of

[00:40:11] information that I think is really, really important.

[00:40:15] They would have seen how Gabe operated.

[00:40:17] They would have seen how Sue operated.

[00:40:19] They would have seen Caroline's sort of like cry baby face at the end.

[00:40:23] And, and then like, they're all going to come back and they will tell Rachel like,

[00:40:28] Oh, by the way, this happened.

[00:40:29] And they can kind of like twist things.

[00:40:31] And then, you know, like there's so, so Rachel doesn't get that truth.

[00:40:35] So I think that's actually going to be more difficult for Rachel in terms of like trying

[00:40:40] to assess the tribal dynamics because who's she going to rely on?

[00:40:43] She's going to rely on Sam and Sierra to tell her the truth.

[00:40:47] And that's, that's the really interesting point because where does Rachel go now?

[00:40:51] Like, what is, what is the next?

[00:40:53] I think Rachel's okay.

[00:40:54] I, I, but who does she talk to?

[00:40:56] Who does she build with?

[00:40:56] I think, I think the, the go is teeny.

[00:40:59] I think teeny is there to be that connection to connective tissue.

[00:41:02] Um, because obviously the old gutter tribe, they, they threw under a bus.

[00:41:08] They like broke up her alliance and everything like that.

[00:41:11] But I think teeny is the way in for, for Rach.

[00:41:13] And I think if she can find something there and start building off that.

[00:41:16] Um, and then I think that's gonna be really good because remember that the Andy of it

[00:41:20] all, like Andy and Rachel, Andy was giving Rachel everything at the very start of the game that

[00:41:25] we've totally forgotten about.

[00:41:26] And Rachel was like, Oh, this guy.

[00:41:28] Yeah.

[00:41:30] She, yeah, she totally, totally valid.

[00:41:35] That's why you never, you can never actively throw people away like that because you never

[00:41:40] know what's going to happen later on in the game.

[00:41:41] And it's, if that could hurt her later on, if, if Andy and Jen are building what I think

[00:41:46] they're building because it was very, it was very deliberate that they showed them having

[00:41:50] a little conversation.

[00:41:51] So there's going to be something there coming out.

[00:41:53] And I think that's a, that's a really interesting, um, between Andy and Jen.

[00:41:57] They're all going to be on the jury voting for him or not voting for him to win.

[00:42:01] I think like for Andy, like that's the revenge arc that's definitely happening.

[00:42:05] But also Rachel didn't have the chance to bond.

[00:42:07] Like imagine if Rachel witnessed what happened, then she can be like, Oh, Kyle, like, you know,

[00:42:14] like Kyle maybe didn't seem to be, you know, like she, she missed that information.

[00:42:18] And so she doesn't get that, that leverage, that hook to engage with the, the Tuku people

[00:42:23] who remain.

[00:42:24] So I just, I wish, I wish that Rachel had the chance to sit and watch that.

[00:42:28] Cause I think unless she gets, yeah, I mean, she's off skating.

[00:42:33] Yeah.

[00:42:33] She's happy.

[00:42:33] She's like, there's like a Rachel shaped hole in the door.

[00:42:35] Like she's like, don't worry about it.

[00:42:38] I don't want to be near what happens.

[00:42:40] But that, I mean, look, I think the first thing Rachel needs to do is maybe try to find like the masked stranger

[00:42:44] who helped her, who with the confused faces is her, you know, her guardian angel.

[00:42:49] But I do think, and this is what I want to talk about with what you're talking about,

[00:42:52] the information that the other side get in this scramble.

[00:42:55] Who was really screwed?

[00:42:57] Caroline, I think was really screwed.

[00:42:59] And actually Tuku in general, to be honest, but like particularly Caroline, because it was her move.

[00:43:03] It was very, very good for Caroline.

[00:43:04] As you, as you're saying Eden, super impressed with Caroline this episode.

[00:43:07] Cause I don't think it was smart for anyone else on Tuku to stay strong.

[00:43:12] I think Gabe and Sue, all the logic that Gabe was giving to Rachel about like,

[00:43:15] I will be the target when we go back for five.

[00:43:17] It's true.

[00:43:18] Like that's why you should get rid of someone like Tiana have the fracture.

[00:43:21] Also the fact or be less of a number as well.

[00:43:25] The fact that yeah, you will be the target.

[00:43:27] The fact that she's been throwing your name out bad for Gabe and Sue Tiana,

[00:43:30] Carl know, you know, that Gabe has been an issue for them.

[00:43:32] There's this huge divide, the threat issue.

[00:43:34] They're trying, but they can't get it done.

[00:43:35] So they're either not trying to, or they can't.

[00:43:38] Caroline is the one person who will benefit from the Tuku group that she's in the middle of,

[00:43:42] that she has shield love moving forward.

[00:43:44] It's only right for her.

[00:43:45] And I think she convinces or is part of everyone else to their detriment working for her.

[00:43:50] Super impressed with it.

[00:43:51] Love the way she goes about it.

[00:43:52] But now what has happened?

[00:43:54] She, she got her way.

[00:43:55] They were all going to vote out Rachel to their detriment, I think.

[00:43:58] And then now women's Alliance knows she was going to vote out Rachel,

[00:44:03] let alone then have to vote out Tiana.

[00:44:05] They can, no one could act as well as Tuku acted, you know,

[00:44:09] when Rachel leaves and they're all scrambling clearly Rachel was going home.

[00:44:13] So they know that they were going to stay strong.

[00:44:15] They know that they were going to vote out Rachel.

[00:44:17] She then has to like vote out Tiana.

[00:44:19] She had like a good plan and she was even cutting off a social option in Rachel.

[00:44:23] Um, who she's like, you know, I don't really love.

[00:44:25] Oh, I like her so much that she has to go.

[00:44:27] She's that good.

[00:44:28] You know, I think in a social game build bonds like that, but it also made sense.

[00:44:32] And it made sense to give that to Tiana at least,

[00:44:34] even though she's also saying it to us in confessional,

[00:44:35] but it makes sense.

[00:44:36] I think to take out Rachel to stay strong as Tuku.

[00:44:39] She was doing the best thing for her.

[00:44:41] She managed it.

[00:44:41] She got it done.

[00:44:42] And now she's going back with the threat level of Tuku being all strong together

[00:44:46] with the women's Alliance as you know,

[00:44:49] difficulties maybe in tatters.

[00:44:51] Um, that relationship with Rachel is gone, but she's still in the game.

[00:44:54] Like I think for Caroline as well, she played the twist.

[00:44:57] That wasn't great for her.

[00:44:58] You know, like that, that screwed her.

[00:45:00] I think maybe more than anyone thoughts on that.

[00:45:03] I'm not quite as down on Carol.

[00:45:05] I'm not quite as down as no, no, no.

[00:45:06] I love her.

[00:45:06] I just think like she did such good work.

[00:45:08] She deserves more position.

[00:45:10] You think this wasn't great with her.

[00:45:11] I still think she's got her shields in the guy.

[00:45:13] I think definitely people are coming for Gabe and possibly Kyle before her.

[00:45:17] And I think that gives her enough time to start building.

[00:45:19] I think Carol understands that the way you win new era survivor is you,

[00:45:26] you sit under the radar.

[00:45:28] You, you, you pop up every now and again, you build,

[00:45:30] you build tight relationships with people.

[00:45:32] You all you have to do is get your fingerprints on a few little things that

[00:45:35] you can come back to, but you don't put your head up for long.

[00:45:38] You don't be the face of a move or anything like that.

[00:45:41] Um, I think she understands that.

[00:45:43] And I think she'll be able to maneuver that moving forward.

[00:45:45] Oh, I disagree.

[00:45:47] I disagree.

[00:45:48] Great.

[00:45:48] Let's get into it.

[00:45:49] This is why Eden couldn't stand to look at you 27 days in.

[00:45:55] No, no, no.

[00:45:55] Like, and it's like, it's a, it's a subtle, it's a subtle difference.

[00:45:59] I agree.

[00:46:00] I agree.

[00:46:01] Um, about, I, I, I understand what you're saying about Caroline.

[00:46:06] And I think that we're looking at Caroline through what we're being shown,

[00:46:10] but I think she had a, I think Caroline is always going like a bit of a meta

[00:46:15] thing here.

[00:46:16] I think, and it's the name may have some overlap.

[00:46:20] I think that Caroline may suffer from an ability to articulate her game.

[00:46:26] If she gets to the end and if she plays this sort of game.

[00:46:29] And I think that this was a beautiful moment for her to vote out Gabe and still, but, and

[00:46:36] still, still be able to like sink back down and get, you've got so many people out there.

[00:46:41] Are they really going to be targeting Caroline for voting out Gabe?

[00:46:45] Probably not.

[00:46:45] But I do think that like by keeping Gabe in the game, I don't even think that Gabe is

[00:46:50] who's, who's working with Gabe seriously.

[00:46:53] Like Gabe is no one in Tuku really wants to work with him.

[00:46:57] He hasn't seen, we haven't really seen.

[00:47:00] Sue.

[00:47:00] I mean, that's the crux of it.

[00:47:04] Sue is the biggest thing for me.

[00:47:06] And Sue's got an idol.

[00:47:07] Sue's got an idol as well.

[00:47:09] I know.

[00:47:10] But like, yeah, okay.

[00:47:11] True.

[00:47:11] But I forgot about that.

[00:47:13] But like, I just, I just think that it's just a beautiful moment.

[00:47:20] I think this is a chance for Caroline to put herself forward a little bit and then go

[00:47:26] back to her relationship building that she was doing with Teenie and, uh, and Tiana because

[00:47:33] Gabe and I don't really see that Gabe is treating her with respect.

[00:47:38] Yeah.

[00:47:38] Gabe is not listening to her.

[00:47:40] Gabe is not.

[00:47:41] He is out for, and the way that Gabe was holding himself in that tribal council, he

[00:47:46] was like storming around and you could see the way that he was doing it.

[00:47:50] And the best, the best part, the reason I think this is important is because Teenie and Genevieve

[00:47:56] and soul on the, on the jury side, they're not on the jury, but you know what I mean?

[00:48:00] They were like all being like, look at the emotion that T, uh, um, that Caroline is putting

[00:48:07] into this.

[00:48:07] Isn't this hard?

[00:48:08] They were like, they had never experienced a live tribal council like this.

[00:48:12] So they were getting information being like, holy moly.

[00:48:15] Like if I end up in that situation, I need people that I can trust.

[00:48:19] And I think that they think that they can trust Caroline more than they can trust Gabe.

[00:48:24] Gabe just gave off like total individual player vibe.

[00:48:28] So I feel like Gabe, I feel like Caroline, I know it's a bit risky, but I feel like Caroline

[00:48:33] had the chance to be a little bit flashy, a little bit bold and then go back and, and

[00:48:38] like you need the resume points.

[00:48:40] I just can, I'm a bit concerned that Caroline might get lost in the, in the, in the numbers.

[00:48:45] She might get, she might get voted on and she may, she may not, she may not be able to like

[00:48:51] have something available.

[00:48:52] And I think this at a, as a, at a six person travel down to five, I think this is a chance

[00:48:57] to do it and then go back to what was, she's pretty much safe.

[00:49:00] I feel like she had a, uh, and like, you know, like I know I get keeping Gabe as like a,

[00:49:05] a shield is, is an idea, but I don't think that, I think she would have been all right.

[00:49:10] Kyle's one, two, two immunities with an asterisk.

[00:49:13] You know, I think there are other options there.

[00:49:15] Uh, so yeah.

[00:49:16] Yeah.

[00:49:17] I think the ghost thing going was good.

[00:49:19] So yeah, I wish that Caroline took the shot.

[00:49:21] You agree, but you just thought that this was an opportunity to have that pop up and then

[00:49:25] go back down.

[00:49:26] With Tiana.

[00:49:27] Tiana loves her.

[00:49:27] Tiana like is absolutely like coming to her every time Tiana consulted her.

[00:49:32] She's listening to her, the way that Caroline manipulated Tiana was fan.

[00:49:35] Well, not manipulated, but it was like, she pitched in a way that made sense to Tiana and

[00:49:39] Tiana was like, not my ideal situation.

[00:49:42] But then, but then Caroline at the end of the day can just be like, you know, like I

[00:49:45] was a deciding vote, you know, you know what I mean?

[00:49:47] Like, I just think that it was a chance for Caroline to have a moment where in this get

[00:49:51] broader meta game of survivor.

[00:49:53] I think people like Caroline often aren't credited for subtle moves.

[00:49:56] And I think that this is a chance that she, she had that she, she missed.

[00:50:01] I think that's a really fantastic point.

[00:50:02] And I have, I have so many thoughts around it.

[00:50:04] I do think for someone in Caroline's demographic being like maybe a quieter woman, it is hard

[00:50:08] and you need like these concrete things, um, to really show that you played like a loud

[00:50:12] game that people care about.

[00:50:13] I mean, they're talking about big moves in this tribal council.

[00:50:16] And I think right before I fell asleep in the 10 minutes they gave me of this,

[00:50:19] you did say something about, you know, smart big moves and people don't want that.

[00:50:22] You know, if you want big flashy moves.

[00:50:24] I think there's still plenty of time.

[00:50:26] I think there's still plenty of time.

[00:50:27] I do think, and we'll talk about it with soul.

[00:50:30] Um, that, you know, it is a short game.

[00:50:32] And, and I think like, if you see a movie, you, you kind of in time should take it.

[00:50:35] And that's, and that's Mark's point.

[00:50:36] And I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think it is a really valid counterpoint.

[00:50:39] Um, and I think what else is a really valid kind of way of what you said about,

[00:50:42] like she did have the relation, the, the control and relationship with Tiana.

[00:50:46] Tiana is a difficult ally too, to be honest.

[00:50:47] I mean, she's out there throwing names, like no one agreed on that.

[00:50:50] And Gabe has his issues as an ally for me, I would go with Gabe for Sue and Sue has her

[00:50:55] issues as an ally too.

[00:50:56] Okay.

[00:50:57] That's been obvious as well, but I don't know that she has as much of the power in that

[00:51:00] group, but I do think her relationship with Sue is the most pivotal thing.

[00:51:04] And that's why I would go with Gabe.

[00:51:05] So I think that the, the decisions she made in the order, I would make them.

[00:51:08] I would, I would vote out Rachel first.

[00:51:10] I think that's a hundred percent correct at the point where push comes to shove and the

[00:51:12] twist happens.

[00:51:13] I would stick with Sue, which is Gabe and vote out Tiana.

[00:51:16] Tiana, but I do have concerns, you know, not so much about like the way that Gabe talks

[00:51:21] about them.

[00:51:21] Like they're like his pawns or whatever.

[00:51:23] I'm like, yeah, you talk how you talk and Caroline has all the power.

[00:51:26] Like you can talk how you want, but that's what, you know, we, she's controlling things.

[00:51:29] Like she had your fate in her hands tonight.

[00:51:32] The issue is in Tiana's exit interview.

[00:51:35] I was really concerned about this.

[00:51:37] Tiana kept referring.

[00:51:38] Don't trust, don't trust exits.

[00:51:39] No, no, no, no.

[00:51:40] It's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a

[00:51:45] It's even worse if it's not canon.

[00:51:46] It's even worse if it's being validated by something that happens in the future, because

[00:51:49] the way she keeps referring to them is as injured birds that keep running back to Gabe

[00:51:55] and Gabe can do it.

[00:51:56] She gave the power to Gabe very much in her perception.

[00:51:59] Yeah.

[00:51:59] And that's how other people are looking at it or will look at it in the future.

[00:52:04] That really concerns me because I don't, I don't agree with it.

[00:52:06] I don't even believe that's true.

[00:52:07] I'm like, Gabe, you can wink at the camera all you want while Rachel's not buying what

[00:52:10] you're selling.

[00:52:10] Like you can walk the walk, but for me, it should have the dodo music.

[00:52:13] I don't agree that that's the structure of things.

[00:52:15] But if other people see it that way, possibly due to the way we view things in this patriarchal

[00:52:20] society, perception is reality.

[00:52:21] And I am concerned about that in saying that I still, I still think there's time.

[00:52:25] I still think I love the way she's working.

[00:52:26] I still keep my, my better allies, my real group.

[00:52:30] I know that it's, it's both.

[00:52:31] It's Strodinger's group at that point, you know, where she can make a call.

[00:52:34] But I think that's been a group.

[00:52:37] I think Sue is her number one.

[00:52:38] I would go in that direction.

[00:52:39] I was giving her three points before she made the decision just for being in the position

[00:52:43] and being as well positioned and as safe as she was.

[00:52:46] I still agree with it, but I think it's a very interesting counterpoint.

[00:52:48] And I, yeah.

[00:52:49] And those are my couple of concerns.

[00:52:51] And I think you've voiced that really well, Mark.

[00:52:53] Yeah.

[00:52:53] I think when you merge, you need to, I think Caroline was doing, this is the, this is why

[00:52:58] I'm angry at this twist because Caroline was doing a great job in building new relationships.

[00:53:02] And I think that, I think that she was on, she was onto something with Tiana and Tiana

[00:53:08] is probably going to be voted off before Caroline.

[00:53:10] Like, and I think then she can like take the hero moment, stab Gabe in the back and make

[00:53:16] him look like a fool.

[00:53:17] Like that would be awesome.

[00:53:18] Like the emotion of the emotion of that is endearing, you know, like it's so endearing to

[00:53:26] like have Gabe like prance around, like, because the way seriously rewatch it.

[00:53:31] I love you, Gabe, but you are prancing around like, like the way he was doing it.

[00:53:35] It was so, it was so obvious.

[00:53:37] And then for those other people, just to see that turn it into a funny little story being

[00:53:43] like, Oh, okay.

[00:53:44] Like, you know, thought he was a lot shit.

[00:53:46] Turns out he wasn't, you know, like, you know what I mean?

[00:53:48] Like, and then she can go back to Rachel and she can build something with Rachel and say,

[00:53:52] Gabe was blowing smoke up your bum bum.

[00:53:54] You know, like, I don't know.

[00:53:56] I like, but it's not Carol.

[00:53:57] It's not who Caroline is maybe.

[00:53:58] And also, you know, these things are coming at you pretty fast in terms of that trouble.

[00:54:03] I think time, I think a time pressure as well.

[00:54:06] Not having that time to think about this, like what Rachel got, got the advantage 20 minutes

[00:54:10] before and she told Tiana and stuff like that, but that's still 16 to 20 minutes.

[00:54:16] Yeah.

[00:54:16] It was.

[00:54:18] That is such a time crunch to be like, okay, this is what actually we're going to do now.

[00:54:22] Absolutely.

[00:54:22] And to, to be forced in that position when you are thinking one way and have to give it

[00:54:26] to another is, is a big, big ask, but time will tell team.

[00:54:30] Yeah.

[00:54:30] Well, I mean, I, it does seem like that's probably what she was going to do.

[00:54:33] I mean, and she's fully the swing vote, you know, Kyle is actively trying to get Caroline

[00:54:36] across the line, across the Caroline, I guess.

[00:54:40] And she, that's a pun for you, Mark.

[00:54:42] See?

[00:54:42] I mean, and she, it wasn't even good.

[00:54:44] I didn't, I didn't, I was like, oh, boo, Shannon made a pun.

[00:54:47] It was bad.

[00:54:49] I mean, I think she would have done it anyway, but yeah, I mean, look, that, that speaks to

[00:54:53] the TV element of like, let's really catch them off their feet.

[00:54:56] And then we've spoken about it so many times.

[00:54:57] What do they do?

[00:54:58] They will cling to the, the, the, you know, without making the big moves more because this

[00:55:02] is the big move.

[00:55:02] This is the big, scary thing.

[00:55:03] Let me cling to what I know rather than having the time to process and weigh up what we've

[00:55:07] just spent, you know, 20 something minutes discussing probably, which, and it's an interesting

[00:55:11] decision.

[00:55:11] And I'm sure she's thought about it before, but she never thought she was going back to

[00:55:15] this Tuku group where they merge.

[00:55:17] And even in this situation, you know, she's already made a decision on Rachel Tuku.

[00:55:21] That's the binary she's been given and she can't sit with it in now and the new information

[00:55:25] she has of a possible women's alliance.

[00:55:27] Um, so I still think that I would go with what she did, but yeah, I mean, like definitely

[00:55:32] from a TV and game design perspective, like, yeah, why wouldn't you let her sit through

[00:55:36] it?

[00:55:36] And maybe then she flips and that's more exciting.

[00:55:39] Right.

[00:55:39] Um, so yeah, it just doesn't make sense, but I do think I will say for the women's

[00:55:43] alliance, you know, if like to me, then she's going all in on the women's line.

[00:55:46] She votes out Gabe and that's what we're doing.

[00:55:48] Um, you know, I think she tried to go all in on like Tuku with shields.

[00:55:51] I think that was good.

[00:55:52] And this was like a bit of a hybrid of like, maybe you can fall back on a woman's thing.

[00:55:55] Um, plus you have the shield plus you have like your group of Tuku that you've chosen.

[00:55:59] Um, but I still think was the better option.

[00:56:01] Cause I just think the women's alliance in, it just, it, the reason it can't work is because

[00:56:05] like every man is connected to a woman that the woman will not want to give that man up.

[00:56:10] You know, like even Andy now has Genevieve, like Sierra won't want to give up.

[00:56:13] What all seven women who are bonded on this, like that valid thing of being women in the

[00:56:18] game.

[00:56:19] And that is very valid, but like, what, what can they agree on?

[00:56:22] Like Sue won't agree on Gabe.

[00:56:24] Caroline wouldn't agree on Gabe.

[00:56:25] Well, when Tiana was there, she wouldn't agree on Kyle, who to be fair, might be a

[00:56:28] good one next time now.

[00:56:29] But like, that's why I find the women's thing really hard.

[00:56:32] And even the black widow brigade, like had the issues that to leave Amanda out of the

[00:56:35] Aussie vote, you know, like it's very hard to get seven people who have all these other

[00:56:40] relationships often with half of the people that are playing, which is the men to agree

[00:56:44] on it.

[00:56:44] And I think that's a really tough thing to put all your eggs in that basket.

[00:56:48] Not egg.

[00:56:48] Tini said it's a straight white man.

[00:56:50] What do you think, Eden?

[00:56:51] I think as this white male, um, I think the women's alliance and Tini said it best.

[00:56:58] It's, it's a myth.

[00:56:58] It's mythical.

[00:56:59] It's, it's, it's big.

[00:57:01] It's, it's basically the concept is bigger than the reality of it.

[00:57:05] And that's why I don't think it can ever work because it's, again, it's not built on relationship

[00:57:10] building and who's connected with who.

[00:57:12] It is just this idea that, oh, we're just all going to work together and we're not going

[00:57:17] to take into account any other relationships that anyone else has.

[00:57:19] And it has, it has to rely on everyone agreeing to go all in on that concept and burn every other

[00:57:26] relationship that built in the entire game.

[00:57:28] Unless we're going back to a time where we have all women tribes, all men tribes, things like

[00:57:32] that you're always going to have these cross wires.

[00:57:35] And that's why it's, I don't think it's ever, I don't think it's, it's ever actually a reality.

[00:57:39] Yeah.

[00:57:40] I just don't think it is.

[00:57:40] Well, that's what they left out the one world alliance that, that, you know, there's like

[00:57:44] has been done since Black Widow Red, but that was their tribe.

[00:57:46] You know how many tribal alliances have made it to the end?

[00:57:49] That was a, that was an all women's tribe.

[00:57:50] I think that like, obviously, bond, yeah, bonding over being women is, is really valid.

[00:57:55] You know, like that is like a similarity of like being women in the game that is a true

[00:57:59] connective, like genuine, you know, like, and we see this with like cultural alliance as

[00:58:04] well.

[00:58:04] And I think all of that is valid.

[00:58:06] If it's something that's like really key to your identity, especially in a way that you

[00:58:09] like often has gone negatively for you and you need to like push against something.

[00:58:12] I think that's really something to bond over, but it doesn't take into account how difficult

[00:58:16] it is then how murky that like, yeah, that you then other relationships will get severed

[00:58:22] with this being like the number one thing.

[00:58:24] And I just don't think that there is like, there's a man for all of them to agree on.

[00:58:29] There's men for some of them to agree on, but I don't see how all of the seven women

[00:58:32] that were in the game, even if they'd gone to a 12 person here, like who would have been

[00:58:36] given up?

[00:58:36] And I don't, I can't see the name.

[00:58:38] But, but, but, but come on.

[00:58:40] I agree Shannon that it's a, it is a valid thing to bond over.

[00:58:43] And if you actually go think about it, when they, when it was floated, it was teeny saying

[00:58:47] basically, Hey, we know that this is the last, like whoever, like who, if we get, if we get

[00:58:54] through tonight or the next vote, we're all on the jury, you know?

[00:58:58] And I think it was more around that.

[00:59:00] I think it was more around if we send a guy home tonight, like, you know, there's how many

[00:59:07] of them are on the beach.

[00:59:08] You're trying to build connections with all these random people.

[00:59:10] You probably can't even remember half of their names.

[00:59:13] Um, you know, like, like Sue?

[00:59:17] Yeah.

[00:59:17] Which one is Sue?

[00:59:18] She doesn't play pickleball.

[00:59:20] Um, anyway, like the one who doesn't play pickleball.

[00:59:24] Yeah.

[00:59:24] But everyone else is the fastest growing sport in America.

[00:59:27] Yeah.

[00:59:28] Yeah.

[00:59:29] Tyson.

[00:59:29] I'm a season behind on shrinking.

[00:59:32] And that was a line from, from shrinking.

[00:59:35] So.

[00:59:36] Okay.

[00:59:36] Pickleball is a huge thing in America.

[00:59:38] And so every, everyone, Sue's the one who doesn't play.

[00:59:41] They're asking for that because isn't it like an old person's sport?

[00:59:44] Like they played it on the golden.

[00:59:45] Well, it's.

[00:59:45] But she's like, I'm only 45.

[00:59:47] Well, it's smaller.

[00:59:48] It's yeah.

[00:59:49] I'm not going to play pickleball.

[00:59:51] She probably does play pickleball, by the way, and is lying about it.

[00:59:54] Based on everything she's said so far.

[00:59:57] I'm sure.

[00:59:57] Hello fellow teenagers.

[00:59:59] Sue comes in with a wing.

[01:00:01] Who don't play pickleball.

[01:00:02] Who yo-yo.

[01:00:03] Who yo-yo.

[01:00:04] Um, but like, but like, you know what I mean?

[01:00:06] Like, I don't think that they were saying like, we're going to go to the end, like the

[01:00:09] Blackwood or Brigade or whatever.

[01:00:10] I think it's more like, can we just get everyone to them, to the jury?

[01:00:16] And that's a thing I do.

[01:00:17] Sorry.

[01:00:18] I do think it's a thing.

[01:00:19] Like when you get to the jury, it's just like.

[01:00:21] Sorry.

[01:00:22] Imagine the jury.

[01:00:24] I'm the owner.

[01:00:25] Like you never made the jury.

[01:00:27] You can breathe.

[01:00:28] It just gives you breathing space.

[01:00:29] And I think it was a really good play from Tini to just kind of float it in that way.

[01:00:33] It was like, you know what?

[01:00:34] Like, all we need to do is just get to one.

[01:00:35] They could have voted out Gabe.

[01:00:37] Like Tiana was throwing out Gabe.

[01:00:38] Like Caroline, you know, like maybe Sue wasn't, Sue wasn't in that conversation.

[01:00:42] I couldn't see.

[01:00:43] So I do think that it was like, not like, uh, we're going to the end together.

[01:00:47] Um, it's more just like, let's just get through this vote and see where we end up without

[01:00:51] them knowing that the bloody production is going to like mess with their gameplay, which is again,

[01:00:56] why I'm like applauding the players trying to build relationships, trying to figure things out, trying to like float.

[01:01:03] Yeah.

[01:01:04] Why not?

[01:01:04] Why not talk about a women's alliance?

[01:01:06] It's cool.

[01:01:06] It's so cool.

[01:01:07] It would have been a really interesting vote.

[01:01:09] It would have been a really interesting vote.

[01:01:10] Well, I don't know what would have happened and we'll never know.

[01:01:12] But yeah, I will say, I think the odds of all seven women voting out a man in this vote.

[01:01:18] Exactly.

[01:01:19] Some women might've worked with some of their male allies to vote out a man, but a women's

[01:01:23] alliance like that, it was, there's not a name for it to work like that.

[01:01:26] Like it has to be groups that make more sense together than that.

[01:01:29] And I can't see who acquiesces to give up the better sacrifice.

[01:01:34] So if they're all played with individual immunity.

[01:01:35] Tiana wouldn't have let, Tiana wouldn't have wanted Carl to go.

[01:01:38] Now Carl's watching.

[01:01:40] Yeah, they were tight.

[01:01:40] Sue doesn't count.

[01:01:41] She was playing like she was practicing.

[01:01:42] Caroline wouldn't give up Gabe and Sue is there, Mark.

[01:01:45] Sue is playing, not Bigel Ball, but she's playing Survivor.

[01:01:49] I like Sue.

[01:01:50] I like Sue.

[01:01:51] She's got a red hand in everything.

[01:01:53] Yeah.

[01:01:53] So I just, I don't, I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't know how, I think it's a really, it's

[01:01:58] a really, it's a really, really difficult task and then it always fails.

[01:02:02] That's another reason I know it wouldn't have worked because it never does.

[01:02:05] I've always said it.

[01:02:06] If they talk about a women's alliance in the first act, a woman will go home in the

[01:02:08] third act.

[01:02:09] It's Chekhov's women's alliance.

[01:02:10] It happens every single act.

[01:02:11] So I know for a fact that a woman would have gone home regardless.

[01:02:15] Okay.

[01:02:16] It's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[01:02:18] So.

[01:02:18] But you know, like, it's like survival law.

[01:02:21] It's like, why would you go through a whole season as a super fan and not like, Hey, should

[01:02:25] we do this?

[01:02:28] Just for the record.

[01:02:31] Yeah.

[01:02:31] Absolutely.

[01:02:32] There was a secret scene about Gabe rallying the men to be like, the women are going to

[01:02:36] do something.

[01:02:36] And I'm like, you are so lucky.

[01:02:37] This was a secret scene.

[01:02:39] People find it.

[01:02:40] People work on how to watch the secret scenes, which is incredibly difficult to do.

[01:02:43] And I don't even know how people are doing it.

[01:02:44] You have to use the back channels at this point.

[01:02:47] You need a VPN.

[01:02:47] A lot's going on for me.

[01:02:49] I do.

[01:02:49] Um, but if people find what Gabe was doing and if that hits Twitter.

[01:02:59] There was some, there was some Twitter drama with the cast today.

[01:03:02] And I was like, this won't even crack the least dramatic day of 46.

[01:03:05] Like come back when you're actually, you know, like turning your account off and like logging

[01:03:12] out for good and then logging back on immediately.

[01:03:15] Like, that's what I, yeah, I don't know where I went.

[01:03:17] Who should we talk about now?

[01:03:19] I am the host of this.

[01:03:21] I have things we need to talk about.

[01:03:23] Oh, this is a little thing.

[01:03:24] And then I move on just on this last thing.

[01:03:26] I do want to talk about.

[01:03:26] So just on, um, Tiana gave, I tweeted this.

[01:03:29] Um, I just wanted to say both of them should have played this shot in the dark.

[01:03:32] If they thought there was any chance they could go.

[01:03:34] I was going to say, I cannot believe you know, it didn't play a shot in the dark.

[01:03:37] Tiana thought there was no chance she was going like, she thinks it's a four one.

[01:03:39] That's another thing there as well.

[01:03:41] Like that's the blind side.

[01:03:43] And to be fair, Gabe is right.

[01:03:45] But even in being a, even in being in the 50, 50, like they're sitting on the sidelines

[01:03:48] in like the jury bench saying it's Tiana or Gabe.

[01:03:51] And yeah, just like there's a little bit of a loophole because obviously if you are a

[01:03:55] numbers loophole, if you, if you're one to four down as Tiana goes home or even two

[01:03:59] to three, if Kyle's with her, then you're out and you need to play a shot in the dark.

[01:04:02] Your vote doesn't matter.

[01:04:03] And if you're four to one, obviously your vote doesn't matter.

[01:04:05] Um, if you're even winning best to just be cautious.

[01:04:08] Um, but if you're three to two, then, um, that's still okay.

[01:04:12] They don't need your vote because on the two to two re-vote, you don't re-vote anyway.

[01:04:15] So your non-vote is canceled out in the re-vote.

[01:04:18] And then your side on the three to two will win two to one.

[01:04:21] And I even think that if you go to Caroline, your allies who are really swings and I'm

[01:04:24] like, I'm just really scared.

[01:04:25] I'm just gonna play my shot in dark just in case.

[01:04:27] I don't know what's going on.

[01:04:28] This is last minute.

[01:04:29] We're all scrambling.

[01:04:30] Maybe Caroline or someone is like, Ooh, don't want that.

[01:04:33] Like, I don't need another shot not to hit in this very twisty day.

[01:04:36] And possibly it even pushes people.

[01:04:38] So just wanted to say that.

[01:04:40] Well, what do you think about Rachel using the block of, I know you'd never do it.

[01:04:44] Yeah.

[01:04:44] That's what Rachel using the block of, um, to be able to, and look again, you'd never

[01:04:52] do this in this situation.

[01:04:52] You'd go like, I'm just going to be safe.

[01:04:54] I'm just going to go home.

[01:04:55] But you could.

[01:04:58] I was thinking about this.

[01:04:59] So you could theoretically like block, block on the votes, still vote with Tiana and Kyle.

[01:05:04] And then you have your, your three there.

[01:05:06] I think the trick with that is you block Caro's vote because if you block Gabe's vote, Sue's

[01:05:12] of like, Gabe's been looking for idols.

[01:05:14] You don't know what's happening there.

[01:05:15] That's probably a red flag.

[01:05:17] Either Sue plays her idol for Gabe at that point.

[01:05:19] Um, and, and freaks out.

[01:05:21] Oh, something's happening here.

[01:05:22] So you play it for Caro because Gabe, Gabe has already told you that Caro is the vote.

[01:05:27] Oh, I see.

[01:05:29] Previously by, by, by blocking Caro's vote, Gabe probably thinks you're in going like, oh,

[01:05:33] well, she's doing what I've told her to do.

[01:05:35] That's great.

[01:05:36] No suspicion of using an idol or anything like that.

[01:05:38] You go, yeah, this is cool.

[01:05:39] And then you three just vote Gabe out.

[01:05:42] Oh.

[01:05:42] Yeah.

[01:05:42] Well, that's interesting.

[01:05:44] Um, because he had given her the decoy.

[01:05:49] Um, I thought Caroline was kind of like a really, really, really,

[01:05:52] really good name because, um, because like Sue's too emotional.

[01:05:57] Like if it ever gets back to Sue, I feel like she would hate that.

[01:05:59] Oh yeah.

[01:06:00] You know?

[01:06:00] And then, um, Tiana's too real.

[01:06:02] Like Tiana actually is the target that you're then giving to Rachel.

[01:06:04] Like what, that's like a real crack that you're giving her.

[01:06:06] Whereas Caroline is so logical.

[01:06:08] She's the one we know benefits most from two staying together from Rachel, not playing

[01:06:11] a shot in the dark that might hit.

[01:06:12] So I feel like you could go to Caroline as Sam might've, you know, gone to Andy and we

[01:06:16] can talk about that and how it should have and be like, this is why you're the name.

[01:06:19] And she'd be like, that makes sense.

[01:06:20] Um, so I thought, but the best he could give her was a tie.

[01:06:24] Um, which was impossible.

[01:06:25] I think so.

[01:06:27] Oh my God.

[01:06:28] Gabe is ridiculous.

[01:06:30] That was, that was, that was like fingernails on the blackboard.

[01:06:33] I was like, Oh, Tiana did that so well.

[01:06:36] Tiana's conversation with Rachel, Rachel walked away being like.

[01:06:39] Well, Tiana's was true and Gabe was lying.

[01:06:41] And like, I know.

[01:06:43] Rachel was so obvious to Rachel.

[01:06:45] It was like, yeah.

[01:06:46] Like, did you know, it was always like Gabe hadn't thought that it was going to go to

[01:06:50] rocks because then she's like, and he was like, Oh yeah, that's, that's cool.

[01:06:53] Yeah.

[01:06:54] I'll go to rocks.

[01:06:55] Yeah.

[01:06:55] I mean this, between me and you, Rachel, this situation is never happening.

[01:06:59] So like, I'll go to fake rocks.

[01:07:00] I go to fake rocks tomorrow.

[01:07:02] Um, yeah, it was unfortunate because Caroline and like, you could never say like, yes, Sue

[01:07:06] will vote with us.

[01:07:07] Um, and you, and you wouldn't say Tiana would vote for like this.

[01:07:11] Can I just say to Caroline's power while she is the, the, she's the best person to throw

[01:07:16] out because she's like logical enough that and implausible enough that she would handle

[01:07:23] it well and it would actually fracture Tuku, but she's so well insulated that you can't

[01:07:26] even put out a fake plan where she might be the decoy because there aren't enough people

[01:07:30] who would do that because everyone wants to work with Caroline.

[01:07:33] But that is impressive from Caroline.

[01:07:35] Um, yeah.

[01:07:35] In terms of using the vote block, I liked that they gave Rachel the choice because

[01:07:39] choice is a good one.

[01:07:40] Um, I liked that the choice was between like agency and protection.

[01:07:44] Um, but then I also think safety without power is so obvious and very powerful.

[01:07:48] And like, she was so badly screwed.

[01:07:51] And then like, it was so hugely reversed.

[01:07:53] It was just like, you know, whiplash from all of that.

[01:07:56] Um, but yeah, I think like with the vote block, there is still the chance that the idols

[01:08:01] played on Gabe, you know, there's, you don't know who has idols or maybe Gabe has his own

[01:08:04] idol and it's just like screw all of this, you know, always possible.

[01:08:07] I'd be out of there so fast again.

[01:08:10] It would be.

[01:08:11] This is the new era.

[01:08:13] Also, like, you don't know, like you're sitting there being like, this is the craziest

[01:08:19] number of twists that we've just gone through.

[01:08:21] Almost six.

[01:08:22] What are the other, what are the other twists that could possibly be happening?

[01:08:25] You're like, is, is like soul gonna sit in Jeff's seat and like narrate the rest of

[01:08:31] this tribal council?

[01:08:32] Like, you know what I mean?

[01:08:33] That'd be crazy.

[01:08:34] You're like, just get me out.

[01:08:35] You don't know.

[01:08:36] The blocker vote is, well, if that, if the blocker vote goes to anyone else in there,

[01:08:39] they just use that on Rachel and then she can't use her shot in the dark.

[01:08:42] Yeah.

[01:08:43] If, if, if it was like for two coups, Rachel and soul, and instead it's, you know, Sue

[01:08:51] who finds it on the other side and sends it, then yeah, she just blocks the vote and

[01:08:55] then she can't play her shot in the dark.

[01:08:57] It could have been suppressive.

[01:08:58] Like, I think that that's, that's going missing a little bit in that as well because

[01:09:03] of the way that it shook out.

[01:09:04] It is, you know, more likely that if these groups are kind of coalescing in what will

[01:09:08] be kind of, well, that is unlikely anyway, but like if these groups are coalescing in

[01:09:12] what will be like oppositional forces, which it looks like they will help the person on

[01:09:16] the bottom.

[01:09:16] But yeah, in a world where he is like, I do think actually I want to, I want to be with,

[01:09:20] with two coups and then he just gives it to them and they just play it on Rachel and

[01:09:24] she can't even play her shot in the dark.

[01:09:26] And it's the most depressing episode in survivor history.

[01:09:28] Like it is just not fun at all for anyone.

[01:09:31] So kind of lucky that it didn't go that way.

[01:09:34] But yeah, I think like, you're not, you're not taking a chance with the vote block.

[01:09:37] I do think that Tiana is, I think Tiana and Kyle are flipping at the point where she's

[01:09:42] blocked one of the other votes.

[01:09:43] I think they, that Tiana seemed to want to do it, but the idol would still be very scary

[01:09:50] for me.

[01:09:50] What else about Rachel?

[01:09:52] What do you, Mark, what are you thinking about?

[01:09:53] You know, we talked a little bit about her position, but yeah.

[01:09:55] I really like Rachel.

[01:09:57] She's got a, I think she's got a Thai tattoo on her back as a Thai speaker.

[01:10:01] And I've been trying to zoom in and read it.

[01:10:03] Um, but I, why are you zooming in on Rachel's back?

[01:10:07] Like it sounds just walking in and being like, what are you doing?

[01:10:10] What are you zooming in?

[01:10:11] I'm doing my Thai language training.

[01:10:13] Uh, thank you very much.

[01:10:14] So, so if you're listening, Rachel, um, let us know.

[01:10:17] So I'm, I'm intrigued by, I'm intrigued by her.

[01:10:19] Um, that, that, um, I also think that she had, I think she had a great, her and Caroline

[01:10:26] to me, uh, the way that they see each other is quite interesting to me that Caroline sees

[01:10:30] Rachel as a threat.

[01:10:31] And I, um, so I do think they have that similar sort of gameplay.

[01:10:35] I do think that, um, Rachel has done amazing at puzzles and, uh, us survivors wants to do,

[01:10:44] um, puzzles.

[01:10:44] So, um, she could dig herself out of a hole by, uh, by puzzles.

[01:10:49] But I do, I like, I think that she is.

[01:10:52] Yeah.

[01:10:52] Very likable, very likable player.

[01:10:55] And like, I think she's pretty good at, um, just like building bonds.

[01:10:58] So yeah, big, big Rachel fan.

[01:11:00] Wish you got the rice.

[01:11:01] I think that was like, hilarious.

[01:11:03] Like I think, I think that's what, that's what I'm getting at in terms of like having fun.

[01:11:08] I think that like new.

[01:11:11] Yeah.

[01:11:12] Yeah.

[01:11:12] Yeah.

[01:11:13] I think it's very endearing.

[01:11:15] And I think that Rachel is, is finding ways to be endearing to people.

[01:11:20] Um, and, uh, yeah, I, I think, I think like, I really hope she does well.

[01:11:25] Um, but yeah, I'm just obsessed with the TIE tattoo.

[01:11:27] So yeah, I get obsessed with tattoos.

[01:11:29] So yeah.

[01:11:30] What do you think of Rachel right now?

[01:11:33] I think, I think Rachel getting sort of through this one.

[01:11:37] Um, I think it's going to give her the ability to hide a little bit.

[01:11:41] I think she's going to drop back down under the radar.

[01:11:44] I think she needs to get in with teeny.

[01:11:46] I think she's super smart.

[01:11:47] I think her puzzle, we've seen her knock out so many puzzles in this game so far.

[01:11:51] So I think that's going to be his superpower.

[01:11:53] And the fact that she's not that her relationship with Andy is going to be, uh, the fulcrum point

[01:12:01] moving forward.

[01:12:01] Cause Andy has now made connections with soul and with Jen.

[01:12:04] Um, he looks like he wants to go scorched earth on, um, on, on Sam and Sierra.

[01:12:09] So Rachel could obviously get on board with that, but her relationship with Andy is so fractured

[01:12:14] anyway.

[01:12:15] So I think that's going to be something that's going to be really hard.

[01:12:18] And I don't think I like, honestly, this is the start of Andy's like super villain origin story.

[01:12:24] I think Andy is going, Andy is going to pull apart so many people's games moving forward.

[01:12:29] I think it's going to be such a great, yeah.

[01:12:31] They won't lose the day they voted out John Lovett, I think.

[01:12:33] Yeah.

[01:12:34] Oh God.

[01:12:35] I think so.

[01:12:36] The thing with Andy though, is I think that, oh, come on.

[01:12:42] I cannot wait to talk about Andy, but Andy had believes that he had the upper hand

[01:12:48] over Rachel.

[01:12:49] Well, he did when they voted off Annika, right?

[01:12:52] Rest in peace, Annika.

[01:12:53] I love you.

[01:12:53] Um, but, um, but so I think that Andy will see Rachel as, I don't think that'll block Andy

[01:13:02] from working with Rachel because I think that Andy will see himself as giving an olive branch

[01:13:07] to Rachel should Rachel approach him.

[01:13:09] And I think, honestly, I think that Rachel has the EQ to understand that Andy thinks that

[01:13:14] he's above her.

[01:13:15] And so she can flatter him, uh, and easily integrate herself with a group that is potentially making

[01:13:22] a hit on Sierra and Sam.

[01:13:24] Whereas Andy will be, Andy's perspective with respect to Sam and Sierra will be very different.

[01:13:30] And so like, he'll be going scorched earth on Sam and Sierra, but not so much Annika because

[01:13:34] he's already had the greatest, Rachel, sorry.

[01:13:38] Oh, well, rain.

[01:13:39] Um, he's always got like, um, he, he, he, he, that was the greatest moment in the game

[01:13:44] for him so far was voting off Annika.

[01:13:46] So I think we, yeah.

[01:13:48] So I think that, yeah, publicly saying that.

[01:13:50] So I think that he, um, he will see Rachel from a different perspective, which is good

[01:13:54] for Rachel.

[01:13:55] Cause I think she's smart enough to maneuver around that.

[01:13:57] And I think Andy, sorry, I was just gonna say Andy's understanding of like where Sam

[01:14:04] and Sierra are.

[01:14:05] And I think it's been a few, there's been a few levels in it, but I just got to give a shout

[01:14:08] out in terms of the conversation, the scoop up conversation that they had to do that soul

[01:14:13] and Jen did so well that Sam and Sierra didn't.

[01:14:17] We obviously didn't see it, but didn't seem like they did.

[01:14:20] Oh my God.

[01:14:21] To, to, for soul to be having that conversation and go from being the one that voted him to

[01:14:25] then being in alliance with him by the end of it is amazing.

[01:14:28] And the key to it is you're telling something that Andy already has at the back of his arm

[01:14:32] because he's obviously fearful of people are being picked last and not being in the center

[01:14:37] of things.

[01:14:37] He was under the impression that Kim and Sam were the one too, and that Sierra was going

[01:14:41] to, to be the one that they'd get rid of.

[01:14:44] And it became very evident with the schoolyard pick.

[01:14:47] I'm sure you saw like Andy being picked, like Sierra didn't even pick it.

[01:14:50] Sierra picked Sue over Andy.

[01:14:52] I think the energy, I didn't know that.

[01:14:53] Andy did say that he has been bad at challenges.

[01:14:56] Like he knows that.

[01:14:57] He was first out again.

[01:14:58] He was first out again.

[01:14:59] I know, I know, I know.

[01:15:01] And this one, but in saying that, and then when soul was giving him that information,

[01:15:04] even though it was sort of Sue that sort of put it out there, it's, he just let

[01:15:08] onto it because he knew in the back of his heart, it was just confirming so many things

[01:15:12] for him and giving him the ability now to sort of come back on Sam and Sierra.

[01:15:16] I think, yeah.

[01:15:17] Andy's going to be a really fun moving forward.

[01:15:19] And for him to build relationship with not only soul, but also Jen.

[01:15:22] Oh chef's kiss.

[01:15:23] Yeah.

[01:15:24] It's going to be, yeah, it's going to be really good.

[01:15:25] Yeah.

[01:15:26] I have thoughts on Rachel and Andy for Rachel.

[01:15:28] I'm impressed that she, that they were also worried about her, Sam and Sierra, Sam,

[01:15:33] especially was like, Oh my God, I hope she's okay.

[01:15:34] I was like, Oh, I thought she was like really at the bottom for you.

[01:15:37] Like we haven't seen really how that relationship with God and her has progressed and seemingly

[01:15:41] really well.

[01:15:42] Like I was really impressed by how they were all sitting there being like, hope Rachel

[01:15:46] doesn't go.

[01:15:47] And the interesting thing, and we talk about it from soul's perspective and we will in terms

[01:15:49] of him using the advantage is like, if Rachel goes, you have a six to five majority.

[01:15:53] Some might say that's better.

[01:15:54] Like everything that they're saying about coming back badly five to six is true of how good

[01:15:58] it would be to be six to five.

[01:15:59] I used to talk about this a lot and I maintain, you know, you want to be a slim majority and

[01:16:04] then that will really bond you.

[01:16:05] Like if you come back seven to four, now it's like, we kind of already won the war.

[01:16:08] Who else is kind of up for grabs?

[01:16:10] Maybe, you know, that might be the one thing that kind of saves someone like a Kyle who

[01:16:13] was like a threat in this Tuku group.

[01:16:16] Um, so yeah, like being a six to five and being like, we'll avenge you Rachel in this really

[01:16:20] unfair thing that happened.

[01:16:22] Um, that could have been actually really unifying.

[01:16:25] And then yeah, being five to six is awful.

[01:16:27] And if you, if you want to be, it's everything they were saying about why you start like pushing

[01:16:31] people off the ship that's sinking is that you want to be, I think like an extreme and

[01:16:35] minority to be like, which is for people.

[01:16:36] Like we're nothing now compared to like, yeah, the six to five, like you actually need

[01:16:40] to strike now.

[01:16:41] Like you have to act, you actively cannot miss that shot at 11.

[01:16:44] So, um, possibly it could have like, you know, they could have not been that worried

[01:16:48] about Rachel and it would have been fine, but they all cared so much about her.

[01:16:51] Um, and I think that was really impressive of where she's.

[01:16:54] She's adorable.

[01:16:54] Compared to yeah, I didn't think that it was because Caroline was very smart, calls

[01:16:59] her the glue of Goddard.

[01:17:00] Like, I can't believe that's true based on all of the evidence, but then the way that

[01:17:06] they were all talking about her and how worried they were, everything Caroline was

[01:17:09] saying about how dangerous Rachel is and how much people like her.

[01:17:12] That part did seem to make sense.

[01:17:14] So I think that, um, you know, that speaks well, um, for her.

[01:17:19] Rachel, she's, she's got great social skills and she's on the bottom, which is the perfect

[01:17:23] place for someone like Rachel to be in because she will find a way to build relationships.

[01:17:29] Like that's what she would do.

[01:17:30] And she's not, she's not super threatening.

[01:17:32] Um, and she's funny.

[01:17:33] So yeah.

[01:17:34] Yeah.

[01:17:34] I'm not worried for her because I think she has this group now that like that she's

[01:17:37] like their mascot.

[01:17:37] It's like, we saved you.

[01:17:38] We were so worried about you.

[01:17:39] She's like, really?

[01:17:40] Um, and then like, I think she's got, um, yeah, a great group in that.

[01:17:43] But Andy, I want to talk about it.

[01:17:45] Sam, what happened?

[01:17:47] Like, I don't know.

[01:17:48] I assume Sam spoke to Andy.

[01:17:49] We didn't see it, but I know it seems like soul told soul gets in to have the conversation

[01:17:55] Sam needs to be having.

[01:17:56] I think last week I went to bat for Sam agreeing to put out Andy's name because I didn't want,

[01:18:02] you know, Andy to be Mariah.

[01:18:04] And I didn't think that them all being so close with God.

[01:18:06] I think I thought that could make Andy the primary target.

[01:18:08] I thought Sam could come back and explain to Andy.

[01:18:11] They put out the narrative that he's the underdog.

[01:18:13] And now we've had to go with it.

[01:18:15] You weren't really in any danger.

[01:18:16] Rome was, he was never going to play anything.

[01:18:18] He thought he was controlling the tribe.

[01:18:20] Now, even more so people don't know how close we are.

[01:18:23] That narrative is great.

[01:18:23] We're controlling everything.

[01:18:24] And we're a secret group.

[01:18:26] How was that not the conversation?

[01:18:28] How is soul controlling the narrative to tell Andy?

[01:18:31] And now Andy.

[01:18:33] So like, I still vouch for Sam's move.

[01:18:35] Cause I think that if it was managed better, that can be done.

[01:18:38] But then like, it's a two part move and you like, no, you screwed up the second part.

[01:18:41] So now the first part and, and soul did it well.

[01:18:43] And Genevieve did it great.

[01:18:45] And Sam really screwed that up.

[01:18:47] And it was just so upsetting to me.

[01:18:50] It was just terrible.

[01:18:53] Get in there.

[01:18:54] Get in first.

[01:18:55] And they were the first, that was the first conversation because you know,

[01:18:58] when they came back and instantly they were like, let's go talk.

[01:19:00] And so got, so was the first conversation.

[01:19:02] And that just sets them.

[01:19:04] It sets the narrative up and it's, and he gave Andy exactly what Andy thought subconsciously

[01:19:10] in his head was happening.

[01:19:11] And he just fed him that.

[01:19:12] And it just, it was on after that point.

[01:19:15] Yeah.

[01:19:15] You know, you gotta, you gotta talk about soul, Mark.

[01:19:18] Yeah.

[01:19:19] Well, no, no, no.

[01:19:20] I think it's interesting from Andy's perspective.

[01:19:22] Contrast soul, contrast the soul and Genevieve conversations with Andy.

[01:19:26] I mean, I love soul.

[01:19:27] So actually I think Andy pulled some of the things that I've been doing.

[01:19:30] And soul to the side to sort of be like, bro, why?

[01:19:32] Like, why did you do that?

[01:19:34] I don't think it was actually soul initiating it.

[01:19:36] It was fine.

[01:19:37] He's he did it, but he did a great job.

[01:19:38] But in that conversation, Andy is very much like out of everyone on God's green earth.

[01:19:44] Why was it me?

[01:19:45] I'm like all of a sudden, like we're like choosing people based on the range of options

[01:19:51] on God's green earth.

[01:19:52] But I don't think he cares that much.

[01:19:53] But anyway, like it wasn't as if Andy was building a relationship.

[01:19:59] Andy was identifying mutual interests.

[01:20:01] He was like, you know, like what I'm looking for is a number one ally.

[01:20:05] And do you want to be my number one ally?

[01:20:07] Please be my number one ally.

[01:20:09] Whereas the conversation that Genevieve, the way that Genevieve approached Andy as in the middle of the night, he's got his glasses on.

[01:20:16] He's like drawing up a hit list.

[01:20:19] It was very much more around emotional plus strategic.

[01:20:25] And Andy, the way that Andy was like, I have a vision.

[01:20:29] And he had like the crazy eye look in his face.

[01:20:31] And Genevieve was like, yes, another unhinged ally to work with.

[01:20:36] I don't wait.

[01:20:37] Like it was, that was, that was the unique difference between the two.

[01:20:41] The, the, and also the, um, I agree with Eden, like the timing is important.

[01:20:47] So like immediately after tribal council, Andy's got smoke coming out of his ears.

[01:20:52] He bails Saul up and Saul does an amazing job of turning, voting into Andy, into an ally.

[01:20:58] Um, that, but also he puts himself in this observient position to Andy, which I think is really smart for someone who has Andy's like neuroses.

[01:21:06] But like with Genevieve, it was, um, Genevieve approaching him once he'd had a little bit of a chance to cool down.

[01:21:12] Um, he'd like taken the edge off, Saul had already taken the edge off.

[01:21:15] I would love to know if Saul and Genevieve were working together on this.

[01:21:18] That would be like, oh my God, that would be so good.

[01:21:22] Will we get a flashback on it?

[01:21:24] Because I would have killed.

[01:21:26] That would be so good.

[01:21:27] Like a spider web.

[01:21:29] That is invisible hand territory.

[01:21:31] So yeah.

[01:21:31] Um, but yeah, so, but I think that the way that Genevieve did it was like, was, um, it was it, the timing suited Genevieve much better to kind of like come in with like when Andy had like, was, was more in reflective mode and then more receptive to, um, a more emotional base plus strategic conversation.

[01:21:50] So I, I'm really impressed with Saul.

[01:21:52] I think he did a great job.

[01:21:53] Really impressed that Andy is not being too, um, timid in terms of like taking the game into his own hands.

[01:21:59] I think he's really going to do it.

[01:22:01] He's has a vision.

[01:22:02] Seriously.

[01:22:02] Rewatch the tape.

[01:22:03] It's creepy as all hell.

[01:22:05] And then Genevieve's just blowing oxygen into that fire.

[01:22:07] It's going to turn to a blaze.

[01:22:09] So do you like how Andy said, um, to Saul, I need to know your next three moves.

[01:22:16] I really reminded me of someone.

[01:22:20] I won't say who, but yeah, it did.

[01:22:22] Oh, I, I, oh, who is it?

[01:22:24] Text me.

[01:22:25] Um, I feel like, um, yeah, Genevieve did a really good job of getting Andy like excited

[01:22:30] about it and it did feel very natural.

[01:22:33] And Genevieve, I mean, she has a thing where like she, she like, it's a survivor's about

[01:22:38] like when you, you love people, you do well.

[01:22:40] I think it was sort of said about like hairdressers, like who are such like people, people, you know,

[01:22:44] like, and that's their job, but Genevieve wants to like help people.

[01:22:46] And like, I think it's burnt her because it was wrong with Rome, but it's also a broadly

[01:22:52] good nurturing social quality.

[01:22:55] Right.

[01:22:56] Um, and when it doesn't burn her, I think that it, that it, that probably, you know, high

[01:22:59] risk high reward on it, but like, it could go very, very well.

[01:23:01] And I think it will with Andy.

[01:23:02] I think with Andy, you look at someone like Sierra who's so out on Andy, like Sierra

[01:23:06] is so out on Andy that I'm like even lower on how Goddard went for her.

[01:23:10] And again, she could only take it to a two, two, but the fact that like losing out in

[01:23:12] that leverage with Sam, um, like she doesn't want to work with Andy at all.

[01:23:16] I didn't realize it was that far gone.

[01:23:18] And I'm like pretty negative about where like that is for her.

[01:23:21] Um, but I do think as well, um, that, sorry, what was I saying with, um, with, uh, with Goddard.

[01:23:29] Oh yeah. This was it.

[01:23:32] They, the reason Lava were fired is because they've already been with Rome.

[01:23:36] Right.

[01:23:36] Yeah.

[01:23:37] Who could work with Andy?

[01:23:39] They're like, this is Lava was like, this is child's play.

[01:23:41] Andy is completely fine compared to Rome.

[01:23:44] Compared to Rome.

[01:23:45] Yeah.

[01:23:45] Yeah.

[01:23:46] That's why Saul and Genevieve, they're all like, this is fine.

[01:23:48] And Goddard, like, Sierra's like so sloppy.

[01:23:50] And Genevieve's like, I've seen sloppier.

[01:23:53] Like it can be worse.

[01:23:54] Like I'm willing to take the chance on Andy.

[01:23:56] Shannon, you're being, I think you've misread Genevieve.

[01:24:00] You're saying that she's trying to help people.

[01:24:01] I think Genevieve is like, she is a master in manipulation.

[01:24:06] I don't think she's trying to help.

[01:24:07] She's just like, I'm going to use my skills.

[01:24:11] But she's projecting the help, the helpful friend.

[01:24:14] I don't think she's actually.

[01:24:15] No, I know.

[01:24:16] I think I really think like, I mean, she's, it will, it will help her in the game.

[01:24:19] It will help her in the game, but it has to come from something real.

[01:24:22] Like, of course, she's doing it for her benefit.

[01:24:24] And of course she can use it.

[01:24:25] But she has a confessional where she's like, the reason she connects with Andy and MCEDA is like a really true connection is because he had that meltdown on the mat.

[01:24:31] And her heart went out to him.

[01:24:32] And she connects with him on that rather than being turned off by that, which something like Sierra as an example.

[01:24:38] I read the complete opposite way.

[01:24:40] I was like, she was like, I saw how, how badly that went.

[01:24:47] Do you think?

[01:24:47] No, that's not what she was saying.

[01:24:49] Do you think she was like, I saw him struggle in his lowest moment.

[01:24:52] And I was like, I can exploit this.

[01:24:53] I think she was like.

[01:24:54] Yes, absolutely.

[01:24:56] Yes.

[01:24:58] She's got a type.

[01:24:59] She's got a type.

[01:25:00] I know.

[01:25:01] I'm like, I know she's happily married, but if she was single, I'd be like, I can, I'm concerned for your dating.

[01:25:05] Like, no, Genevieve's totally fine.

[01:25:09] She's totally at, she's at peace with herself.

[01:25:12] She's like, I've worked with these people before.

[01:25:15] I know what they need.

[01:25:18] I am smarter than them.

[01:25:18] It went very well with Roam.

[01:25:20] I am, she cast Roam out like he was trash.

[01:25:23] Yeah, but then I'll cut you and then I'll rebuild.

[01:25:25] Yeah.

[01:25:25] She doesn't care.

[01:25:27] She wasn't sleeping.

[01:25:28] She was fine.

[01:25:29] She's like, oh, out with Roam, in with Andy.

[01:25:32] Like, she's got the best teeth in like Australia, US survival history.

[01:25:36] She's got one.

[01:25:37] She's chomped through Roam.

[01:25:38] Now she's chomping through Andy.

[01:25:40] She will chomp through half of this tribe.

[01:25:41] She's chomping away to the end.

[01:25:43] She's doing so well.

[01:25:44] And I don't think it's from a safe, like a kind hearted place.

[01:25:47] I think Genevieve is here to play.

[01:25:49] You know what I love about Genevieve is why I just want to throw one thing out.

[01:25:52] Remember when they threw, when, remember when they voted at Kishan.

[01:25:55] Amazing move.

[01:25:57] Genevieve had a moment of, Genevieve had a moment of pure bliss.

[01:26:01] This at tribal council of like evil delight.

[01:26:05] Do you remember that?

[01:26:07] Oh, yeah.

[01:26:07] Jeff was, Jeff was like, you seem to be enjoying this too much.

[01:26:11] And that was the real Genevieve coming through.

[01:26:14] I agree.

[01:26:14] Because she knew she was about to knife Kishan in the back and he had no idea.

[01:26:18] And she let the joy come out.

[01:26:21] And I think that is the real Genevieve.

[01:26:25] She doesn't show up much, but that's real Genevieve.

[01:26:27] And I love her for it.

[01:26:29] It can be like, of course.

[01:26:30] That's why it's so good.

[01:26:31] Be a Hufflepuff person.

[01:26:33] Like I think that she, yeah.

[01:26:35] I think that, yeah.

[01:26:37] And she probably has a bit of that too.

[01:26:39] I mean, this isn't the Tessa podcast, but I think that she has,

[01:26:42] I think there is a real connection, even with Rome.

[01:26:44] I think she found Rome fun.

[01:26:46] Like in the little bit of content we had before she had a breakout episode.

[01:26:48] Like, I think she was like, you know, like, I think there's a true thing there.

[01:26:51] And I don't think it's, it's calculated.

[01:26:54] That's why it can be calculated and to her benefit.

[01:26:56] And she will use it very, very well, but it can also be based on like a real gen.

[01:27:01] She's such a social person.

[01:27:02] Like she's a social queen.

[01:27:03] And like that connection is based on something really true.

[01:27:05] You look like a player like D like some people said that she was like, you know,

[01:27:09] too loyal to her allies and stuff.

[01:27:10] But like that again, like for her, it was like that true loyalty and stuff that really

[01:27:13] connected people.

[01:27:13] But Genevieve, I think it's like a really true charm.

[01:27:16] It comes from something very real.

[01:27:17] And then she uses it.

[01:27:18] And I think there is a connection with Andy.

[01:27:19] And I don't think she was thinking in his worst moment, there's I'm going to really

[01:27:22] exploit this guy.

[01:27:23] I think she was thinking that poor guy and she likes him and she's going to use it

[01:27:26] to hopefully both of their benefit.

[01:27:27] But if it can only be to one of their benefit, it will be to hers.

[01:27:30] But I think as well with her, she's, she, she, with the highest high reward of these, like,

[01:27:35] you know, injured bird type players, she keeps picking up.

[01:27:37] And the danger of that, she's the perfect person to do it because she is so social that

[01:27:41] you'll rebound so well.

[01:27:42] So it's like, oh, that didn't work out.

[01:27:44] Cutting that one, moving on to the next bad choice, you know, like, and that will be

[01:27:48] That'll be mine.

[01:27:48] Every single person they voted off Red Tribe, she was having that scoop up conversation

[01:27:52] and she was talking them through and she was going back to them and saying like,

[01:27:55] this is just what we have to do and everything.

[01:27:56] She's like, she didn't have a lot to do this episode, but she's awesome.

[01:28:01] I loved it.

[01:28:02] Yeah.

[01:28:02] Yeah.

[01:28:02] Well, she didn't get to vote.

[01:28:03] So because she didn't win a challenge, but she did outlast the winner of the challenge.

[01:28:08] We're following along what's happening here.

[01:28:10] Um, but yeah.

[01:28:11] She's also got the most practical clothing.

[01:28:13] She wears long pants, long jacket with, uh, she has a long sleeve shirt and she puts her

[01:28:18] sock, she tucks her socks over the bottom of her pants.

[01:28:21] So she not, she's planned.

[01:28:24] She's a fan because that's where the mozzies get in.

[01:28:27] Mozzie's mosquitoes for the American listeners.

[01:28:28] Um, they get into the ankles.

[01:28:31] So like she, she is like, I'm surprised.

[01:28:34] On every, on every element.

[01:28:36] She is so like, she's so prepared.

[01:28:39] She's so smart.

[01:28:39] She's ahead of the game.

[01:28:40] I'm going to say she's surprised that she prepared.

[01:28:42] Did you read her?

[01:28:43] She was playing Baldur's Gate three for most of the.

[01:28:46] Yeah.

[01:28:47] I said, I loved, I loved her pregame interview so much.

[01:28:50] Yeah.

[01:28:50] She's a sparkly person from the beginning.

[01:28:53] I was a little concerned.

[01:28:54] She said she didn't learn how to make fire.

[01:28:55] And if Jediviv goes on fire at the final four, that'll be my villain origin story.

[01:29:00] But I did say to Peter, she mentioned Baldur's Gate.

[01:29:02] Is that the game you play?

[01:29:03] He's like, yes, I only talk about it in Sesame.

[01:29:05] And I was like, I picked it up when you were talking about it every day.

[01:29:09] So yeah.

[01:29:10] I'm now worried for fire.

[01:29:12] Yeah.

[01:29:13] Gone and fall.

[01:29:14] That's it.

[01:29:14] Pulled it now.

[01:29:15] Don't do that.

[01:29:16] Don't put that out in the universe.

[01:29:17] Andy wins.

[01:29:20] It's like final six fire.

[01:29:23] Yeah.

[01:29:23] And that's why they didn't, they didn't show her to us for the first couple episodes

[01:29:26] because they're like, they're going to be so angry.

[01:29:29] Let's try and minimize this as much as we can until it's just literally can't

[01:29:32] until the moment we literally can't.

[01:29:34] And oh my God.

[01:29:35] Don't.

[01:29:35] Wow.

[01:29:36] I'm really concerned about that now.

[01:29:38] But yeah, in terms of soul, it was a bit of a different conversation with Andy.

[01:29:42] Compared to Genevieve, I did find that there was like a little bit of that,

[01:29:45] a little bit of that harshness with Andy, but they both try to turn the fact that he had

[01:29:49] just voted for Andy around.

[01:29:52] And I thought soul was really helped by the fact that like Teenie's like, oh, soul's the

[01:29:55] only known vote.

[01:29:56] I'm like, what about like more concerning the Andy and what really I think helps soul.

[01:30:00] And he did well too.

[01:30:01] But like, yeah, that there was a second vote for Andy that he could be like, they told me

[01:30:04] to do it.

[01:30:04] And I can prove it by the fact that it wasn't just me.

[01:30:06] Like I didn't just have that moment in the, in the voting booth.

[01:30:09] Like this was something that had been discussed and planned.

[01:30:11] And there's a second vote to prove it more, even more concerning for, for Andy, I think.

[01:30:14] And I think he did really well with that.

[01:30:17] What did you think about Andy giving soul?

[01:30:19] So much in terms of like, and then we're going to come for God up.

[01:30:22] Like that's like quite a lot to give someone who just brought your name down like 10 minutes

[01:30:25] ago. Right?

[01:30:25] Like what, what did you think he did?

[01:30:27] Yeah.

[01:30:28] That's how Andy plays the game.

[01:30:30] And that's why.

[01:30:30] He's sloppy.

[01:30:31] Have you heard?

[01:30:32] He's so sloppy.

[01:30:33] Yeah.

[01:30:34] Like this is why I love him because he does things like this.

[01:30:37] He's reactionary.

[01:30:38] He, he quotes the movie signs as well.

[01:30:41] Swing away, Andy, swing away.

[01:30:43] Um, he's just like the fact that he has just given everything over to soul also would have

[01:30:50] to do now is just go back and say, look, this is actually what's happening.

[01:30:53] Andy's, uh, Andy's got full salting the earth.

[01:30:56] So nothing grows again.

[01:30:57] Yeah.

[01:30:59] You salt the earth.

[01:31:00] So, so, so good.

[01:31:02] Yeah.

[01:31:02] Good.

[01:31:03] Uh, we're still going.

[01:31:04] We're still going guys.

[01:31:05] I'm just, I'm thinking Simpsons references.

[01:31:08] You should be able to do that.

[01:31:09] I said, I'm not thank you, my stranger for the way Rachel was like, thank you.

[01:31:13] Whoever you are.

[01:31:14] Yeah.

[01:31:15] Yeah.

[01:31:16] Good.

[01:31:17] Um, I think it was terrible on Andy.

[01:31:19] I think Andy came across too sort of angry at soul initially.

[01:31:22] And it was only soul.

[01:31:23] Soul's mirroring.

[01:31:25] So I was not mirroring Andy's.

[01:31:27] Um, he's bringing, he's bringing him down to be like, let's just have a conversation.

[01:31:30] But to come out there and being like, why did you do this?

[01:31:32] Why did you, you've, you've attacked me and everything like that.

[01:31:34] And I think it just goes to show you how, how well soul can, um, we like, when you do management

[01:31:39] training, we talk about, you, you move from behind the counter, you take someone away, you

[01:31:44] sit down with them, then you don't mirror that their energy and you bring it down to your

[01:31:48] energy.

[01:31:48] And soul's just doing all these things.

[01:31:50] Like he's a medical sales, medical sales.

[01:31:53] Um, so he knows how to talk to people in those regards.

[01:31:56] Um, Andy has set himself up to just like take everyone else down.

[01:32:01] And, but I think the, the thing that's going to work is that soul needs these little connections,

[01:32:06] um, to move forward in the game.

[01:32:08] So he's not going to burn that and he's going to use it to his advantage.

[01:32:11] And I think there's going to be some really great cross tribal alliances happening now,

[01:32:16] which I always love cross tribal alliances when it's really works.

[01:32:19] And so this is going to set up some interesting dynamics.

[01:32:22] Cause then you bring Jen, Jen's in there with Andy, then soul's and is teeny is teeny really

[01:32:26] super tight with those guys.

[01:32:28] We don't know.

[01:32:29] We don't know.

[01:32:30] That's a big question.

[01:32:31] Like I I'm really disappointed with sort of teenies edit at the moment.

[01:32:35] Like I was, I had really high hopes for her, um, moving forward, but she's just seems

[01:32:40] to just be swallowed up in everything else.

[01:32:43] Um, I'm hoping she managed to get her feet under her again and actually start pulling, pulling

[01:32:47] off something because, um, you mean that, you mean that all of these twists, uh, preventing

[01:32:51] people from.

[01:32:53] Yeah.

[01:32:55] Teeny hasn't, you know, I've been teeny was safe last time.

[01:32:58] Like a statement, like not a tribal this time.

[01:33:00] Like there's not a lot.

[01:33:01] Teenies having potato salad and enjoying it after not getting potato salad a couple of

[01:33:05] weeks ago, finally got an enjoyed the potato salad.

[01:33:09] So that's what the important thing is.

[01:33:10] I think the dynamics for me will be between these kind of two power groups we've heard

[01:33:15] about like, is to cool still so concerning that as a four that they're the problem.

[01:33:22] Someone like Kyle who does have these stats.

[01:33:24] Now someone like Kyle, who I thought this was good for gay, but not great for Kyle.

[01:33:27] And they were mentioning it on the know-it-alls like voting with to cool.

[01:33:30] Like he could have been a lone wolf or maybe Gabe's the big issue, but now he's like, like

[01:33:35] hard for me to see how like Kyle isn't a major person of concern next time.

[01:33:38] But then I also think the other part is like, we've always heard of Sam and Sierra.

[01:33:42] So if Tuku have kind of dealt with their own issues now and are less of the threat now,

[01:33:46] then I do wonder if we go back to Sam and Sierra.

[01:33:49] And I do think someone like Sol, especially if like how quickly is Andy getting to, you

[01:33:53] know, the point where he wants to turn.

[01:33:55] Someone like Sol is incentivized to want to take out Sam and Sierra.

[01:33:58] And I do think Andy is competing.

[01:34:00] Not that he really knows, but like Sam gave Sol a lot.

[01:34:03] So Andy needs to give Sol a lot too.

[01:34:05] I still think it was kind of dicey and he just wrote his name down and it wasn't necessarily

[01:34:09] considered.

[01:34:10] And he could probably have softened just like, we're going to turn on Goddard.

[01:34:12] You can quote me.

[01:34:13] I'm coming from my allies.

[01:34:16] But I do think that Sol and many people are incentivized to look at someone like Sam.

[01:34:20] So Sam and Kyle, I think are in concerning spots moving forward.

[01:34:24] I think, you know, like, again, I feel like, geez, I feel like I'm in a slightly contrarian

[01:34:30] camp here.

[01:34:31] I love it.

[01:34:31] I love it.

[01:34:32] I think that Andy is classic Andy and it makes sense for Andy.

[01:34:38] Like, why would Andy not go all in on like, it actually, it actually shows that Andy has

[01:34:45] somehow figured out that it's not that Gata is not his people.

[01:34:50] Yeah.

[01:34:50] And, and, and picking up Sol is like, whether, whether, whether he did it intentionally or

[01:34:58] not, I still think he actually, it takes courage.

[01:35:02] And I, on day one, he had a, he was covered in sand crying to Jeff.

[01:35:07] Um, and then now like two weeks later, he is taken the game by the, by the scruff of the

[01:35:14] neck and he's running with it.

[01:35:16] And he's putting soul in a position where, you know, like it, it, it, it, he's, he's taking

[01:35:21] charge of the game in a way, which he also looks kind of.

[01:35:26] I'm not threatening.

[01:35:28] So I think, I think it actually, I know, I know it's not how we would do it, but I think,

[01:35:34] and I still think he came on way too harsh, but I think the, I think the message, the words

[01:35:40] that came out of his mouth eventually made sense.

[01:35:42] And I think it was quite good.

[01:35:43] Um, and I just want to say with soul as well, the way that he, the, the, what I think soul

[01:35:49] has been kind of like, uh, as a deep cut Garrick and Kelly, I feel like Garrick was stunned

[01:35:56] in a way like Garrick is a really amazing, potentially amazing survivor player, but having

[01:36:01] Kelly there was just like a big, like water, like, you know, heavy metal in a, like a, an

[01:36:07] air base in Iraq, you know, like can't get the noise out of my head sort of thing.

[01:36:11] Like I think Rome was the same distractive, this distraction for soul.

[01:36:17] I think soul never got into the groove.

[01:36:19] So I was so surprised.

[01:36:20] I love that confessional that soul gave being like, you know, I've got 30 years of experience

[01:36:24] in marketing sales and I have no idea what's going on.

[01:36:27] Um, like, and, but now, like, I think that with Rome gone, he turned it around last episode,

[01:36:32] which was amazing, but I think he's kind of getting into his groove and the way that, um,

[01:36:36] Andy came to him, it's not like he immediately threw out a Sam through under the bus.

[01:36:41] He took, he absorbed the impact that like, like, like what Eden was saying.

[01:36:45] He absorbed the impact.

[01:36:46] He softened it.

[01:36:47] He got him to a state where he was actually listening.

[01:36:49] And then at the end he kind of said, oh, and by the way, it was Sam.

[01:36:52] So I think that that was like really quite skillful from soul where I agree.

[01:36:57] Sam's in a bit of trouble, but what I want to highlight is that stupid little idol that

[01:37:02] Sam has.

[01:37:02] I haven't forgotten about that one.

[01:37:04] That is the air is going home on a split or maybe he doesn't have an idol, but on a,

[01:37:10] I'm too scared and I'm putting numbers on Sierra now possibly.

[01:37:14] Yeah.

[01:37:14] Well, maybe he can flash that somehow.

[01:37:16] And, um, to someone.

[01:37:19] Um, I don't know.

[01:37:21] But Rachel knows that it, well, does Rachel know that it was a one tribal idol?

[01:37:26] We never found that out actually.

[01:37:27] Yeah.

[01:37:27] We don't know who knows what Sam knows what, what, what, oh yeah, I see what you mean.

[01:37:34] Does Rachel know that it was a one time first tribal council?

[01:37:37] Because then she holds a lot of power.

[01:37:39] She felt so much power with that idol the whole time.

[01:37:41] Like it was the fact that they weren't managing Andy well on that.

[01:37:44] And now it's not surprising, I guess, that they haven't managed him well on this too,

[01:37:48] because I think that they've left these gaps the whole time.

[01:37:50] I mean, I'm not low on what Andy did.

[01:37:52] I think maybe soften it a little bit would be my, maybe not just like death to God,

[01:37:57] which is kind of the man, maybe just a little bit.

[01:37:58] Like we could really do something like really give him, you have to give soul something.

[01:38:01] And I think building it is important.

[01:38:03] And I'm not low on it.

[01:38:04] I just think it was a little bit, a little bit to someone who did just vote for you.

[01:38:09] Yeah.

[01:38:10] And I do think I like you make great points about yeah.

[01:38:12] How well soul did in that.

[01:38:14] Like, I think he really, like he received it.

[01:38:15] And like when Andy asked questions, he answered everyone really well, really patiently.

[01:38:19] Like he was contrived.

[01:38:20] He gave him the truth without just being like, it was Sam.

[01:38:23] They made me do it.

[01:38:24] You know, like it was, it was really good.

[01:38:27] Um, yeah.

[01:38:28] Yeah.

[01:38:28] Do we have any, like, what about souls?

[01:38:30] Do we have anything on souls decision?

[01:38:32] Is there anything on, on, on giving it to Rachel?

[01:38:34] Cause as you said, Mark, like, it is true that a lot of it is structural.

[01:38:37] Like soul Tiana said in the exit sheet, she had a great relationship with soul, you know?

[01:38:41] So, um, is it just like a structural thing there?

[01:38:43] Cause there's three things he can do, right?

[01:38:45] Like he can give it to, to Cuda Berry, Rachel, and just be like a villain.

[01:38:49] And that would just be awful.

[01:38:50] Or he can do nothing, you know?

[01:38:52] And as I said, like stay with the slim majority of six to five,

[01:38:55] let Rachel be the person we're doing it for, but not competing against in my own alliance.

[01:39:00] Um, or do you give it to her?

[01:39:03] Now you have like the question he's, he's kept it a secret.

[01:39:06] Um, will he kind of out that?

[01:39:07] Will he use it to bond with Rachel?

[01:39:09] Will he use it as a move at a, what do you, I don't know.

[01:39:11] What do you think about this, Eden?

[01:39:12] I, oh, you go, Eden.

[01:39:13] You go, Mark.

[01:39:14] Yeah.

[01:39:15] Oh, look at us.

[01:39:16] Um, I, I would say, um, I think that it's a good, because it's anonymous.

[01:39:21] I think that, and I don't know how much of a fan soul is.

[01:39:24] And again, um, I think that soul is a lovable character.

[01:39:29] And I think that keeping it a secret and holding it potentially to the very end suits soul quite well.

[01:39:36] So I think that, um, imagine that now, like every person going to the jury gets voted off and they're like, who was it?

[01:39:44] Who was it?

[01:39:45] Who was it?

[01:39:46] And then if he gets to the end and he was like, it was me.

[01:39:48] Like, not in like a, not in like a, I am the greatest game player of all time.

[01:39:53] And I am like, I held this like secret from you and you guys didn't figure it out.

[01:39:57] No, being more like I've been at, cause everyone's talks about like, this is a pet peeve of mine.

[01:40:03] I don't like it when everyone's like, you got to play the game.

[01:40:05] Like everyone's playing the game.

[01:40:07] They are like, they're just doing it in different ways.

[01:40:10] Uh, I really get annoyed by that, but I think that this would be a good way to highlight you.

[01:40:16] Like, like having fun playing the game.

[01:40:19] And I think that's really endearing at a final tribal council.

[01:40:21] I think it would be really fun for him, for soul to be like, and guess what, everyone?

[01:40:25] It was me.

[01:40:27] Like pew, pew, pew, like those little ones.

[01:40:29] And I think it would be really funny.

[01:40:31] Very important.

[01:40:33] Like I think that would be really funny.

[01:40:33] And Tiana is not on the jury.

[01:40:35] She's not there.

[01:40:36] She's not there.

[01:40:37] Because you're not going to pick someone off like it was you.

[01:40:40] Yeah.

[01:40:41] Everyone's there.

[01:40:41] Cause it'll be a running thing.

[01:40:43] Like if he gets to the end, it'll be a running thing.

[01:40:45] Like go to the jury.

[01:40:45] They're all there.

[01:40:46] Like who was it?

[01:40:46] It was you.

[01:40:47] No, no, no, no, no.

[01:40:48] And then it would be like the grand, you know, the grand reveal.

[01:40:51] So I think that it's less a strategic, more a theatrical move.

[01:40:57] Yeah.

[01:40:57] I don't, I think it's really, I think the theater, I think the theater and survivor are intertwined.

[01:41:03] And I think, I think it would work really well with soul to do that.

[01:41:07] So yeah, that's what I think.

[01:41:08] And that's, that's valuable.

[01:41:09] I think it's valuable.

[01:41:10] Yeah.

[01:41:10] Any reveal, anything that you have, just you, anything that you know, that just yours is so valuable.

[01:41:17] It like later on in the game where you have that in your back pocket.

[01:41:20] I think as soon as you, it's like a magic trick.

[01:41:22] As soon as you know how it's done, as soon as you tell someone how it's done, it's less impressive.

[01:41:25] It's like, Oh, okay.

[01:41:27] That's, that's easy.

[01:41:28] But before that fact, it's got power in it.

[01:41:30] Yeah.

[01:41:31] How it's sort of perceived.

[01:41:32] Yeah.

[01:41:33] I do think it's funny that the second, like Rome, who was like on his back, not letting him look for stuff.

[01:41:37] The second Rome's out, he finds the thing, which was right there.

[01:41:42] But yeah, I do think that for me, I had the exact same thought.

[01:41:44] So it must be right.

[01:41:46] We've come to the, you know, yeah, that I am.

[01:41:50] Yeah.

[01:41:50] It's for the theatrics, you know, like it is.

[01:41:52] And especially in a short game, like I go back to the game of it all.

[01:41:54] My brother's always like, don't do it.

[01:41:56] Don't use that as like the benchmark of what we should be doing.

[01:41:58] But he had, he did like one thing that I didn't even agree with.

[01:42:00] And even that was like, he did the loud thing, you know, in a fairly even final three.

[01:42:05] If that's something you have to speak to, especially if there has been like an aura around it, I still don't know.

[01:42:10] I still think he can kind of see where he can go with it because you might want to use it to really get that group together, really make that relationship with Rachel, especially if Tuku don't seem too mad and are just like, that's the game.

[01:42:22] And Tiana is not there, obviously.

[01:42:23] And she's not on the jury.

[01:42:25] So, I mean, from a jury perspective, it doesn't really matter.

[01:42:27] But, you know, she's gone.

[01:42:29] She was the main person.

[01:42:30] They all voted together again.

[01:42:31] So they've all survived it.

[01:42:32] Maybe they're okay.

[01:42:33] I think you could use it.

[01:42:34] I think you look at how it goes through it.

[01:42:36] But yeah, I do think that the aura of the reveal is probably the most enticing thing for me.

[01:42:40] And in a short game, I think I just go with like, where can you just like get points?

[01:42:45] You know, people are talking about big flashy moves.

[01:42:46] Some people will vote for that, especially, you know, if you're sitting next to two people where there's little to differentiate it.

[01:42:51] So yeah, I think that, yeah, that's probably what I would, what I would do with it.

[01:42:56] Can I just say, soul finding the advantage, right?

[01:42:59] The editors are loving the juxtaposition of the season.

[01:43:03] So you have them, everyone sitting down, you have Andy do the thing.

[01:43:07] Andy's so sloppy.

[01:43:08] Look at him.

[01:43:08] He's wandering around.

[01:43:09] Yeah, what an idiot.

[01:43:10] And then you have soul doing the exact same thing.

[01:43:12] And it was like golf clap.

[01:43:13] So brilliant.

[01:43:14] Yeah.

[01:43:15] It's just, they love, they're loving the juxtaposition.

[01:43:18] Editing is really fun this season as well.

[01:43:20] They're really going all in on it.

[01:43:21] I think it's really good.

[01:43:23] Yeah.

[01:43:23] Well, I had a couple of questions because I was thinking about, you know, how Teenie and Genevieve is just like, you know, the challenge is over.

[01:43:31] No one wins.

[01:43:32] Kyle already won, even though you're still in the game.

[01:43:34] And I just had a couple of ideas I want to throw at you about what if they should still compete for something.

[01:43:40] What if?

[01:43:40] I think they should.

[01:43:41] Yeah.

[01:43:41] So we know.

[01:43:43] Yeah. But what should they compete for?

[01:43:44] Because you don't want to put more in the game.

[01:43:45] I did think maybe like a challenge advantage next time where you're not getting voted out now, then it will be used.

[01:43:50] So you're not going to like go home for it.

[01:43:53] But what about, what if it's the reward is going to be like the candy, the cake, the reward, the popcorn reward.

[01:44:01] That's the most iconic, probably, example of what everyone goes in one by one and the winner will choose an unidentified thing.

[01:44:08] But then what it will end up being is you choose the order.

[01:44:10] And the thing that's buried in the candy, the cake, the popcorn is this scroll, the soul scroll.

[01:44:17] Um, and that's how it's found because it was a little lackluster, though.

[01:44:20] It was just like, there it is.

[01:44:21] And we'll keep zooming in on it.

[01:44:22] Is there anything there?

[01:44:23] Is there something fun there?

[01:44:24] Or is it?

[01:44:26] So you're setting up the winner of getting some sort of, some sort of extra advantage.

[01:44:31] Getting to choose the order.

[01:44:33] Yeah.

[01:44:34] Getting to choose the order.

[01:44:35] And then if you like don't want to put your, because I was thinking another thing that you could do is like, which they've also done an Australian survivor.

[01:44:41] All my ideas are just stolen from Australian survivor, which they stole from old US survivor.

[01:44:45] So that's where we're at with all of this.

[01:44:46] Um, but I did think what you could do is like, you could have six different meals and then, you know, choose who, but that's really a punishment.

[01:44:54] You know, like that's not, yeah.

[01:44:56] Yeah.

[01:44:57] And then teeny doesn't get her potatoes on.

[01:44:59] That's not cool.

[01:44:59] But I was so, but what if it's okay, we're all going to go in one by one.

[01:45:02] And then, but that person chooses the order.

[01:45:06] And if a person doesn't want to put their thumb on the scales, they can just be like, I choose for us to draw rocks, you know, or pick sticks.

[01:45:12] But if they want to really go first and maybe get the thing, they could get the thing.

[01:45:16] Um, cause you don't want them to just win the scroll, obviously.

[01:45:18] Cause like the, the anonymity is a big part of what we're talking about.

[01:45:21] Yeah.

[01:45:21] Yeah.

[01:45:22] So is this very convoluted?

[01:45:23] I just, it was weird that Kyle won and that they just stopped playing.

[01:45:27] I just, it was strange to me.

[01:45:29] I don't know.

[01:45:29] I was trying to think about what they could have won.

[01:45:32] Do you have any ideas?

[01:45:33] Yeah.

[01:45:34] I have one, but.

[01:45:34] Mark's not convinced on my popcorn order.

[01:45:38] I'm still aggrieved by popcorn and scrolls.

[01:45:40] So don't raise that with me.

[01:45:42] But, um, but I think, I think they could have just turned what I think survivor.

[01:45:48] They have too many twists already.

[01:45:50] So I don't want more time.

[01:45:53] Well, that's the thing.

[01:45:54] Explaining fricking twists.

[01:45:55] So just make it fun.

[01:45:56] Just make it fun.

[01:45:58] You go to a reward.

[01:45:59] Let's assume Teenie wins.

[01:46:01] Cause we love Teenie.

[01:46:03] Shout out Teenie.

[01:46:04] We do want to love the interview.

[01:46:05] Those are the two last options.

[01:46:06] We've already like, just piled on like 15 minutes of love.

[01:46:11] Yeah.

[01:46:11] So Teenie wins.

[01:46:12] Love her.

[01:46:14] She gets to sit at like the head table.

[01:46:16] There's like a big fancy chair.

[01:46:17] She gets to wear a little crown.

[01:46:19] There's like a tight, you know, like, like just give her like a.

[01:46:22] That's not worth winning the challenge.

[01:46:24] Like that's not worth even the threat level of having a challenge.

[01:46:26] Like it's gotta be something worth winning because it's not good to win.

[01:46:29] Right.

[01:46:30] But then like, maybe she gets like, maybe she gets like.

[01:46:33] Like a brownie.

[01:46:34] A special, a special, like, I don't know, like a big extra rib, you know,

[01:46:39] Like she gets like.

[01:46:40] No, they ate too much already.

[01:46:41] Maybe they all get just the one hot dog, but she gets the potato salad.

[01:46:49] Like, this was the one time that the reward was actually good.

[01:46:51] Maybe the reward is bad for everyone else and hers is actually good.

[01:46:54] But then people might resent her.

[01:46:55] You want to win that?

[01:46:56] She could get like a serviette.

[01:46:57] She could get like gloves.

[01:46:58] She might just like clean her teeth afterwards or something.

[01:47:01] Like just like zhoosh up the reward for her.

[01:47:03] What if it's a letter?

[01:47:05] No, I was going to say letter from home.

[01:47:06] Yeah, I always go to the letter.

[01:47:08] Just go to, just go to full loved one visit.

[01:47:11] Tini's loved one comes around the corner.

[01:47:13] That's a kind of big jump.

[01:47:14] I think it's letter.

[01:47:16] Man.

[01:47:17] The letter holds everything.

[01:47:19] Everything from home.

[01:47:19] I think it's a love, I think it's a something from home.

[01:47:21] Yeah.

[01:47:21] Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I had a success with my brother today

[01:47:24] and he did say letter.

[01:47:25] I, um, and I forgot until this moment.

[01:47:28] Letters?

[01:47:28] Well, maybe they can get that Apple, um, computer that they used to have.

[01:47:32] Remember that Apple computer that they used to like get the video from home on?

[01:47:35] The wheel that app?

[01:47:37] You mean Sprint?

[01:47:37] Sprint.

[01:47:37] Sprint phones?

[01:47:39] Yeah.

[01:47:39] Sprint phones.

[01:47:40] I thought Tino got to like dial into like one of those like Apple computers and like,

[01:47:44] Oh, didn't Keith get proposed, didn't Keith do his proposal?

[01:47:47] On like an MSN equivalent.

[01:47:49] Yeah.

[01:47:50] It was like, Oh, middle age.

[01:47:52] My goodness is coming out right now.

[01:47:54] I think he just like pokes her sister.

[01:47:57] Yeah.

[01:47:57] Yeah.

[01:47:59] I think, um, can you still poke on Facebook?

[01:48:02] Is that a thing?

[01:48:04] Um, hold on a second.

[01:48:06] I'll ask my mom.

[01:48:07] That's what they are.

[01:48:08] Yeah.

[01:48:08] Yeah.

[01:48:09] Okay.

[01:48:10] Well, I look forward to getting poked.

[01:48:12] I expect to poke in the morning, Shannon.

[01:48:15] I don't even remember what I was.

[01:48:17] Oh yeah.

[01:48:17] The letters, the letters make people cry and they should be using it more often.

[01:48:22] They can use that for the big things more than they do make.

[01:48:26] They could have had a differentiator that made this way less clumsy than just Jeff being

[01:48:30] like you won.

[01:48:31] It's done.

[01:48:31] They definitely could have had something.

[01:48:32] It could have been an element of choice, but I agree.

[01:48:35] Then that gets more to see more convoluted.

[01:48:37] How much stuff is this in saying that this was kind of a sleepy episode.

[01:48:39] They probably could have devoted content.

[01:48:41] The group, the winning group didn't have a lot to talk about because again,

[01:48:44] they're not like a winning tribe going back with possible future dynamics.

[01:48:46] They can be like, when we merge, we can do this one thing as a group.

[01:48:50] And then they were, you know, playing baseball.

[01:48:52] So what could have happened?

[01:48:54] What could have happened?

[01:48:54] They could have got there and been like, guys, there's probably going to be something

[01:48:57] around here.

[01:48:58] Let's all look for it.

[01:48:59] They all look for it as a group.

[01:49:00] They find it.

[01:49:01] They go, okay, what are we going to do?

[01:49:02] And that becomes like a whole big narrative.

[01:49:04] It's just how things like.

[01:49:05] But that's still quite simple.

[01:49:07] Like, you know, that's still not that much to do.

[01:49:10] When you have the family, the letter from home gives you the chance to see players in

[01:49:15] a different way.

[01:49:15] So I think it affects the story and the relationships in an interesting way because it's like it brings

[01:49:21] some, everyone then gets to ask Teenie about whoever it is that wrote to her and you get to like explore

[01:49:28] that relationship a lot more, which makes it a bit, maybe someone like, maybe there's something

[01:49:32] in Teenie's story that like, I don't know, Sol or who else is there?

[01:49:37] Sierra is there and she's like, oh, wow, that's so cool.

[01:49:40] And then like that takes a tangent, you know, because I'm just like, just let the players explore each other.

[01:49:46] Yeah. Like that's like the maximum value, I think, from the, yeah, from the.

[01:49:50] I think we're great. I think we've solved it.

[01:49:52] The letter was good.

[01:49:53] Solved it.

[01:49:56] But I can't, I already said that two weeks ago they should have used the letters on the social hour.

[01:50:00] Like there's only so many letters.

[01:50:02] That's your fault.

[01:50:03] Every single time I have a production decision where I'm like, how can they really make this feel way more impactful?

[01:50:07] I'm like, give them letters.

[01:50:08] Like every time.

[01:50:09] The other thing, it's only been like two weeks.

[01:50:13] It's been a very long time, Eden.

[01:50:16] I didn't think about that.

[01:50:18] I still got my letter on the plane ride home because it was, it was the next day was the auction.

[01:50:22] So they still gave me my, they sneakily said, hey, do you want this?

[01:50:25] I know, Tiana just missed a two.

[01:50:27] The auction, the auction.

[01:50:29] Oh, Tiana.

[01:50:29] And the jury.

[01:50:32] I'm reaching out to it.

[01:50:33] This is very reminiscent of my experience with the auction the next episode as well.

[01:50:37] It's very painful.

[01:50:39] Okay.

[01:50:39] Well, this is sad.

[01:50:40] Should we do the chizzy?

[01:50:41] Let's do it.

[01:50:42] Yeah.

[01:50:42] Take away Jacob Sengawaii scene and MC Color.

[01:50:44] One, two, three.

[01:50:47] One, one, one, three.

[01:50:48] One, one, three.

[01:50:49] One, two, three.

[01:50:50] It's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of chizzy.

[01:50:52] Three, two, one.

[01:50:55] Okay.

[01:50:55] Time for the chizzy.

[01:50:57] And we're going to do the two one ones because it has to add up to 12, which is two sixes.

[01:51:03] Usually we give out six, but not this time.

[01:51:06] These are the chizzy charts.

[01:51:07] Oh yeah.

[01:51:08] So there's three of us.

[01:51:09] Yeah.

[01:51:09] Yeah.

[01:51:09] Yeah.

[01:51:10] So we're giving three, two, one, but it's a, it's a two, one, one, but one of the ones

[01:51:14] is better than the other one.

[01:51:15] Yeah.

[01:51:16] Okay.

[01:51:17] In our mind.

[01:51:17] Can I go last?

[01:51:18] Can I go last?

[01:51:19] I'm glad you gave us a lot of thought.

[01:51:21] Eden, do you want to go first?

[01:51:23] Yeah.

[01:51:23] So are we starting with our ones?

[01:51:25] Yeah, you can, but don't start with the middle one.

[01:51:27] It's weird.

[01:51:28] Dino did that last week.

[01:51:29] I'll start with the lowest of the low one.

[01:51:31] Yeah.

[01:51:32] The worst of the one.

[01:51:32] My, my lowest of the low one is going to soul.

[01:51:36] Um, I think he did great.

[01:51:39] Um, consoling Andy.

[01:51:41] Um, consoling him.

[01:51:42] Oh, I know this is happening now.

[01:51:44] We're starting to speak soul.

[01:51:46] Oh my God.

[01:51:47] Speaking from the soul.

[01:51:48] Truly.

[01:51:49] Um, I think that was great.

[01:51:50] I thought that him finding the advantage.

[01:51:52] I think he played it really well.

[01:51:53] Um, doing it on Rachel, keeping it secret, keeping it safe.

[01:51:58] Um, so soul's getting my one point.

[01:51:59] I think he's in a good position in the game now and he's got some good relationships there.

[01:52:03] Um, and then my other one, my other one is, uh, is Andy.

[01:52:07] I'm going to give Andy one because I feel like it's come to fruition that like the curtains opening, the rain clouds have parted and he's just finally seen clearly.

[01:52:16] He's like, I'm not the second person to Sam, Sam and Sierra are all in.

[01:52:21] I'm on the bottom over there.

[01:52:22] Um, I need to do something about it.

[01:52:24] He's starting to make connections with, uh, with Jen.

[01:52:27] He's going out on his own.

[01:52:28] He's doing his own thing.

[01:52:29] So I'm giving him one point as well.

[01:52:31] Love that.

[01:52:32] And the two Caroline.

[01:52:34] I'm actually, I know this is going to annoy Mark.

[01:52:36] Um, but I'm going with Caro, uh, because I think that how Caro played a, the conversation, um, with Tiana, what keeping, I do believe keeping,

[01:52:46] Gabe around, um, is going to help her game moving forward and she's eventually going to lose Gabe.

[01:52:52] She's going to still have Sue there.

[01:52:53] She's going to be able to move forward in the game and be able to get under the radar.

[01:52:57] I think just, just from that one conversation, it's given me a really good insight into how she sees the game.

[01:53:02] And I'm pretty excited to see where she goes, but that from that one conversation and you look, it did break her heart, but I think she made the right call in the end.

[01:53:10] Uh, so that's, that's where my points are sitting at the moment.

[01:53:14] Love it.

[01:53:15] Well, I'm doing some similar things.

[01:53:17] My, my lowest one, my one point is to Rachel.

[01:53:21] I think I usually go the other way, but now I'm in it now.

[01:53:24] Um, mostly because just of the way they were talking about Rachel and how concerned they were about Rachel.

[01:53:28] And it's just a way better social standing with the, with the group and with Goddard than I thought.

[01:53:33] And I wanted to reward that.

[01:53:34] So does choose to help Rachel.

[01:53:37] Um, if he hated Rachel, you know, he wouldn't do it.

[01:53:39] I know that it's a structural thing, but he, and it is a lot of it might be for his flashy move, but he still, you know, looks like he probably wants to, you know, at least keep her in the game.

[01:53:47] If he hated Rachel, if Rachel was Rome, you know, he's not getting safety without power.

[01:53:52] Um, obviously chose, you know, the kind of obvious thing to do with, you know, no, being out of there, but I just think the way that they're talking about her, I wanted to give her a point.

[01:53:59] I'm giving a point to Sol for the choice there for picking up Andy.

[01:54:04] Um, honorable mentions for me to Andy and Genevieve for doing similar things that will hopefully play out in points.

[01:54:09] And I do think it was, you know, mostly it was handled really well by Sol and Genevieve and by Andy as well.

[01:54:14] I'm like, you know, 95% on it as well.

[01:54:18] Um, I just think Sol with having the decision, finding it, sending it, and also having that to me, um, bumped up to the one point, the better one point.

[01:54:26] And then two to Caroline because no real notes, you know, I think that it went in an unfortunate direction just because of the twist.

[01:54:33] But other than that, I agree with her decision making.

[01:54:36] I think it's incredible that she just had so much power, so well positioned.

[01:54:41] Um, everyone was relying on her and I think she was the only one really benefiting from Rachel going.

[01:54:46] And then even when, you know, it hit the fan, she, um, I think made a decision I agree with.

[01:54:53] And I'm just really impressed with her approach and the way, yeah, the way she talks to people, her logic.

[01:54:58] I'm, I'm very, very high on.

[01:55:00] Yeah. Caroline.

[01:55:02] Like she's subtly social, but she's also super logical.

[01:55:04] Like I just, I'm really, really enjoying it.

[01:55:07] So those are my points.

[01:55:08] Mark, what are you doing?

[01:55:11] All good.

[01:55:11] Like you, you guys make it so difficult and I really shouldn't care this much.

[01:55:17] Um, but I'm like listening.

[01:55:20] I'm going to, I'm going to go, uh, my lowest one is Andy.

[01:55:27] I think, um, I like that Andy took, I think it takes courage to do what he did.

[01:55:33] Execution is an Andy style.

[01:55:36] He sees the world through Andy's lens and that's how it's going to be.

[01:55:39] So I'm giving one to Andy.

[01:55:41] My middle one is to soul because I think he found, okay, we've already discussed that

[01:55:48] length, everything that he's done well, but he also found, he also found the clue.

[01:55:51] Like why?

[01:55:52] Like no one else found the clue.

[01:55:53] Um, and he did it.

[01:55:54] Um, he, he's got, um, he set himself up well.

[01:55:59] Um, and yeah, I, I really, really liked the way that he has been positioning.

[01:56:03] I also think he did a really good job.

[01:56:05] Like, I mean, it's not a hangover.

[01:56:07] I just liked the way that he, he, he went from like the Rome to the, to this episode.

[01:56:13] Um, and I'll give it to Genevieve.

[01:56:15] Um, I think that Genevieve, um, is just, uh, it's, it's amazing when survivor shows in an edit,

[01:56:25] like subtle gameplay and it's incredible.

[01:56:28] And I, I just, I think it needs to be applauded.

[01:56:30] And also she could have won the, I still have a, I still am an old school survivor player

[01:56:36] where I think challenges matter.

[01:56:37] And I think, um, she did really well.

[01:56:40] She done.

[01:56:41] She, she, she could have won.

[01:56:43] Uh, it was her and teeny and, um, and, uh, and she did really well as well.

[01:56:47] Like, it's not the reason why I'm giving her two, but I think that she's actually done quite

[01:56:51] well physically as well.

[01:56:52] And no one's seeing her.

[01:56:53] No, one's talking about Genevieve being charged beast.

[01:56:57] So I think she's managing a threat level really well.

[01:56:59] And, um, and she's adorable.

[01:57:01] So yeah, two to Genevieve and that's it.

[01:57:03] And Caroline, honorable.

[01:57:05] And honorable.

[01:57:06] It's, it's, it's like her personality, you know?

[01:57:09] I'm not joking.

[01:57:10] And, um, and honorable mention, obviously, um, uh, Caroline.

[01:57:16] Caroline.

[01:57:17] Yeah.

[01:57:17] I also, I forgot to say when we're talking about Sam, this is one clip where Andy's raging

[01:57:23] on Sam and, um, Sierra and Sam goes to give Sierra a hug.

[01:57:27] And in the process of doing so he knocks Rachel in the head.

[01:57:31] Like he just doesn't see her.

[01:57:33] And I think, I think that was like a really fun little, um, when we were talking about

[01:57:37] Sam before like letting Andy go, like rewatch it.

[01:57:40] It's really funny.

[01:57:41] Like just like, onks her in the head as if to say like, he's only got eyes for Sierra.

[01:57:45] So yeah, it's quite funny.

[01:57:46] Well, I don't think there's anyone else I could potentially give it to.

[01:57:49] So yeah, that's interesting thing here is that, I mean, uh, Caroline's going to win

[01:57:54] this week's Chidley, but on a plurality, there's a four, we do a four, three, two, two,

[01:57:58] one.

[01:57:59] And now it puts Genevieve at 12 at the top of the charts with soul at 12 at the top of the

[01:58:04] charts now.

[01:58:05] So they're tying at the top.

[01:58:07] Then Sam, obviously on 11.

[01:58:08] Love these charts as always from Randy.

[01:58:10] We'll have to say that.

[01:58:11] Andy's now gone to nine.

[01:58:12] Sue is on nine.

[01:58:13] Teeny remains on nine.

[01:58:15] And then we're now, now there's like quite a big gap.

[01:58:17] Roams out of the game.

[01:58:19] Um, Kyle's on three.

[01:58:20] We've got, yeah.

[01:58:22] Um, Oh no.

[01:58:23] Caroline's gone up to six.

[01:58:24] And yeah, Caroline went up.

[01:58:25] And then so Kyle's on three.

[01:58:27] Rachel's on two.

[01:58:27] Gabe's on two.

[01:58:28] Tiana left on one.

[01:58:29] And Asia is also, she left on one.

[01:58:32] So yeah, that's where she stuck around.

[01:58:35] And I, yeah, we all kind of did.

[01:58:37] It was a bit of a thing.

[01:58:39] This was so fun.

[01:58:40] Do we have more?

[01:58:41] Did there's anything else?

[01:58:42] Logan led you on Twitter.

[01:58:43] I had a question.

[01:58:44] He said, if this season were a movie, what would be its title?

[01:58:46] Eden?

[01:58:46] I think that one's for you.

[01:58:49] There are a few, there are a few titles that come to mind.

[01:58:52] Um, I had a, I did see that come through.

[01:58:54] So I had a bit of a think.

[01:58:55] I think I like, look, you could go with twisters.

[01:58:59] There's a lot of twists happening.

[01:59:01] There's a lot of things happening.

[01:59:02] Jeff's loving that.

[01:59:02] I think whiplash is another good one.

[01:59:05] Um, I think some of the people that have been voted out just the devastation on their

[01:59:10] faces, like I absolutely.

[01:59:13] Like, and then we play a great film.

[01:59:14] Um, the other one is there's something about Jen.

[01:59:18] There's something about Jen.

[01:59:19] Like, I just think that she is, she's going to be the fulcrum of this, uh, of this show.

[01:59:25] And I think everyone is sleeping on her.

[01:59:27] Um, but she is going to be the biggest player at the end of the day.

[01:59:31] Um, so there, that's what I'm thinking.

[01:59:33] That's what I'm thinking.

[01:59:33] Does it have to be movies?

[01:59:34] Could it be musicals?

[01:59:35] Cause it's clearly six.

[01:59:37] Well, now it is.

[01:59:40] Yeah.

[01:59:41] Well, just to be fair, it ended up being a five person vote for all of the six talks

[01:59:45] that we've done through this podcast.

[01:59:48] They did then conspire that it was either going to block a vote, five votes, or was he was

[01:59:52] going to leave for five votes.

[01:59:54] And maybe he's obsessed with five.

[01:59:56] Yeah.

[01:59:56] You're right.

[01:59:58] Yeah.

[01:59:58] What's working.

[01:59:59] I don't even know what to believe anymore.

[02:00:01] I had a great time on this podcast.

[02:00:02] I am doubting my sense of reality, but I had a really fun time.

[02:00:06] It was great.

[02:00:07] Thanks.

[02:00:07] Thanks for having us on the invisible hand.

[02:00:09] Hopefully it lives up to the expectations.

[02:00:11] Cause I know I had a great time and thank you very much, Mark.

[02:00:14] Um, uh, challenge with me.

[02:00:17] Yeah, man.

[02:00:17] That's awesome.

[02:00:18] This is so good.

[02:00:19] This is really fun.

[02:00:20] Um, no other, no other notes.

[02:00:23] Um, yeah, that's, that was really good.

[02:00:24] No more.

[02:00:25] I think we got it.

[02:00:26] Yeah.

[02:00:27] Who's on next week Shannon.

[02:00:29] Can you reveal.

[02:00:30] Next week.

[02:00:31] Well, first I was going to, I'm not going to lie to you.

[02:00:33] 30 minutes in when we discussed, I don't even remember what, I don't even

[02:00:36] remember where, where we were.

[02:00:36] I was like, we are not getting through this podcast, but we covered it and we did

[02:00:39] it.

[02:00:40] And I'm surprised.

[02:00:41] We're professionals.

[02:00:42] I was like, I don't think we're, I don't even know.

[02:00:45] But when we say, did I ask if Lil was Catherine of Aragon?

[02:00:48] Because she's not Aragon.

[02:00:52] She's definitely not Aragon as well.

[02:00:54] Like that's also not right.

[02:00:56] I can't think of which one she is now, but she's not Aragon.

[02:00:59] Jane Seymour now.

[02:01:00] Australia V World season two.

[02:01:02] You know what?

[02:01:02] She is Jane Seymour.

[02:01:03] She's always complaining.

[02:01:05] Okay.

[02:01:05] I'm glad I worked it out.

[02:01:07] She's Jane Seymour in six.

[02:01:09] I clearly saw six this week cause it's in my head.

[02:01:11] Um, next week.

[02:01:12] Well, I think there's an episode next week.

[02:01:14] As you know, it's a six election to happen during survivor.

[02:01:17] And if the episode gets canceled, which I don't think it will, but like, I don't

[02:01:20] know what's going on in America.

[02:01:21] It's like a lot going on.

[02:01:22] Um, you think it'll get canceled.

[02:01:24] Well, it's like if the result hasn't been like, you know, I feel like there might still

[02:01:29] be content around that.

[02:01:31] I don't know.

[02:01:33] The podcast is meant to be the stock watch crossover with Taryn.

[02:01:36] And if there's an episode.

[02:01:38] Oh, okay.

[02:01:39] We will do that.

[02:01:40] Um, yeah.

[02:01:42] And that's, and another thing I want to say was Halloween, but we had a really fun brand

[02:01:46] seal where also musical, I was Hamilton and everyone was in costume.

[02:01:51] And it was so funny.

[02:01:52] You look very good.

[02:01:53] I was backstage obviously for a lot of it.

[02:01:55] And I was just in the private chat mess.

[02:01:57] I'm like, this is objectively the funniest podcast.

[02:01:59] Like I was, it was so funny.

[02:02:01] So I really recommend watching that.

[02:02:03] Um, what about you guys, Mark?

[02:02:04] Tell the people where to find you a podcasting.

[02:02:06] As you said, we'd, we, you know, we've got the top of the show, but tell the people.

[02:02:10] Yeah.

[02:02:10] So, uh, but mostly on Instagram, Mark with the K T Warnock.

[02:02:15] Um, yeah.

[02:02:16] Podcast beyond the edit is done, but go, go check it out.

[02:02:19] Eden.

[02:02:19] The chat with Eden is, is really, really fun.

[02:02:21] I recommend it.

[02:02:23] Uh, and the one with Caroline as well.

[02:02:24] It's, uh, it's actually flying up the charts, which is, um, I'm very happy with.

[02:02:28] Yeah.

[02:02:29] Which is great.

[02:02:30] A lot of tears.

[02:02:30] It's good.

[02:02:31] And then, yeah, I don't know when the next, um, episode with Annabelle from Australian

[02:02:36] traders season two will be coming out, but we've already been spitballing a few ideas.

[02:02:41] And let me tell you, it's going to be, it's going to be off the charts.

[02:02:45] So yeah, babes on the brink.

[02:02:47] Check it out.

[02:02:47] It'll be there.

[02:02:48] And what about you, Eden?

[02:02:49] Podcasting about survival?

[02:02:51] Yeah.

[02:02:52] Um, check out survivor debrief, uh, with me and my bro.

[02:02:55] Um, we're just doing our little recaps and a bit of a chat.

[02:02:58] Um, really fun.

[02:02:59] So that's been great.

[02:03:00] Uh, also just yet Instagram, uh, in quarter one or on, uh, Twitter.

[02:03:06] At in quarter, any questions or anything to shoot them over.

[02:03:09] And then I've also got my other podcast canceled movie report where we take, uh, unmade scripts

[02:03:14] that Hollywood never made.

[02:03:16] And we make actual, we get the scripts and we recreate them with live, um, voice casts

[02:03:21] and, uh, recreate the best scenes of them go through the whole script.

[02:03:24] It's the closest thing you can get to seeing the films without them actually being made.

[02:03:27] So check that out.

[02:03:28] We're in between seasons at the moment.

[02:03:30] Um, but that's another good for any cinephiles out there.

[02:03:32] It's a must watch.

[02:03:34] Um, yeah, that's what I'm up to.

[02:03:36] I love it.

[02:03:37] Well, thank you both.

[02:03:38] Um, yeah, follow me at Shannon Gates, subscribe to the international survivor, half of speed,

[02:03:41] but this was so fun.

[02:03:42] What a fun way to spend my Saturday night.

[02:03:44] No regrets.

[02:03:44] Loved it.

[02:03:45] This was, I guess what Shannon.

[02:03:47] What?

[02:03:48] I'm also thinking of going to the States next year.

[02:03:50] Just the low key thing to drop at the end.

[02:03:52] So if anyone's here.

[02:03:53] Yeah.

[02:03:54] Can you do that?

[02:03:55] Yeah.

[02:03:56] So if I go to the States and you're listening and there's parties.

[02:04:00] There are so many parties.

[02:04:01] There are so many parties.

[02:04:02] There are so many parties.

[02:04:03] I'm so jealous though, if you do, because it's so fun.

[02:04:07] Yeah.

[02:04:07] Yeah.

[02:04:08] The world is your oyster.

[02:04:09] Trains.

[02:04:10] Yeah.

[02:04:11] Well, anyway, this was amazing.

[02:04:13] Had such a great time.

[02:04:14] Thank you both so much.

[02:04:15] Thank you to our team behind the scenes.

[02:04:17] Thank you to everyone listening and I will see you next time.

[02:04:20] Bye.

[02:04:21] Bye.

[02:04:22] Bye.