Survivor B&B: S48 Preview

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[00:01:35] Hey everybody and welcome to the R-H-A-P B&B for the preseason of Survivor 48. We are here unlike the ancient civilian of the eyes of Dega.

[00:01:47] We are present in the moment to talk about Survivor 48 on the horizon in less than several just a handful of days and we're back for yet another season to break it down in the only way we know how to do which is the silliest most confounding way to do so. And I say we because I am joined as always by my co-host the co-owner of the B&B putting the mate in Survivor 48. It's Liana Boris. Thank you Mike.

[00:02:17] I'm happy to be here. I'm so excited for Giga Chad season. This is just going to be an absolute blast. I don't know what to make of this cast. I've listened to all of your interviews. I've heard all of the recaps. I'm still trying to figure out how I think these players are going to play, but I think there's no better way to get into all of that than with the expert himself Mike Bloom as the expert in the room with us right now.

[00:02:40] I was about to say like because I sat down with these players and again, I attested this before and I think now you can certainly see from the amount of laughs I had in these interviews. I had a very fun time talking with these people, but I will admit I am in total agreement and that I sort of left saying and maybe this is a bit of the meta of the new era as well where I'm like there are people who would do well on paper. But the thing about the new era is that like in some seasons the most dominant people go on to win in some seasons.

[00:03:08] Yeah, this prevailing narrative of like the most middle person ends up winning. It really is sort of like the box of chocolates of like you never know what you're going to get in a typical season of the new era, especially in a cast like this, which as I've said before does feel like it's probably breaking the most stereotypical conventions assigned to the new era where you are bringing on people who are not necessarily died in the wall.

[00:03:32] I think that's a very beautiful day one knows the third boot of survivor Vanuatu types of fans. And then also admittedly from physicality standpoint, I think a lot of people in response to the interviews talk about how this had a bit more of an old school feeling to it. Do you agree with that? I think you hit the nail on the head of in terms of things that I've been feeling about this cast of the old school feel I get more in the sense that it's a very masculine energy cast.

[00:03:59] Okay, I don't mean to get like supervising vibes on Survivor 48. As the scientist. Survivor 48 inches, am I right? Ayo, Chris Underwood should have been cast here. No, I think look the the obviously as you said the physicality so there's bigger dudes in general which adds to it but I think also you have a lot of the women on the cast who have been in male dominated professions who kind of bringing a lot of that.

[00:04:26] I don't know baggage maybe with them right and as someone who is an engineer like I get it, you know, you you have that sort of those experiences shape who you are and they shape how you're going to view the game and where you have a social experiment. Obviously, those things impact you so much more as you're creating this new sort of little fake society. So to have, you know, a lot of that coming into the season, I think that's going to shape it. I think also the age, you know, we've talked about it. Oh, it's an older cast. But and I was I was telling you about this.

[00:04:55] I was like big big casting clusters like it felt like okay, we cast the 20 year old season. Now we're casting the 30 year old season right where we're still not getting a diversity in ages per se. It's just they've shifted the median age up about 10 years like that's really all it seems to be. So I don't know how that is also going to impact the season. Yeah, because I mean, also you look at the people that are in their 20s and I mean, the youngest is Eva who's getting her PhD right now.

[00:05:21] So it feels like we are not necessarily bringing in anyone who's kind of of that especially in the early 40s this mold of like I'm a student fresh out of college or like I'm still in high school and I take survivor on like my academic pursuits like everyone does seem to be at least fairly along in their careers. And my hope is that that gives them like a state of confidence in who they are.

[00:05:46] Listen, this cast also has loads of confidence as well suffice it to say which I think is going to be nothing but fantastic entertainment because unfortunately that that's going to lead to some of the most eviscerating blind sides out there. But to your point yet, I think that survivor fact checker might have said that this is like the fourth oldest cast on average or something like that, which is it? Well, because there's only three cast members that are in their 20s. Everyone else is 30 and beyond.

[00:06:14] But again, you talk about old school was definitely not the case even going back to season one. Mm hmm. Right. Yeah. Well, and I think that that that's going to play a big role. It's also going to play into how people are interacting with one another as well. Right. So even sort of the cool aunts of the world, they're still not that auntie of the right. Like it's like you're just 10 years older than me. You know, it's not like that big of a gap. It's giving Lexi love. Yeah, it's giving. Yeah, exactly. Back in my day.

[00:06:45] But I the other thing about this cast that I notice is if you think about survivor and sort of those three points of the triangle, I guess, of, you know, strength, strategy and social. Where is the strategy? And I don't mean that in a bad way. I see this as a strength social group, right? Like that they're that line of the triangle. They're that side of the triangle. Because when I listen to a lot of the interviews, of course, social as per usual always comes up.

[00:07:12] But there didn't seem to be a lot of getting into the nitty gritty of the strategy. And again, I don't see that as a bad thing. And I think also in the new era of survivor, it's so crap shooty that you almost can't even plan for some of these like minutiae when it comes to getting into exactly how vote breakdowns are going to go. So I don't again, don't think it's a bad thing. Just something that I noticed when thinking about what is it in general that stands out about the characteristics of this cast?

[00:07:40] Yeah, I think even those that might come from the more like stereotypically brainy professions, right? You would imagine like, oh, you're going to be super analytical. And you look at people like Kevin and Camilla, who again, come from these careers. That's like, oh, yeah, you're going to by far be the person or Stephanie to approach this with like the clearest head for the numbers. But they're matching it with like these very fun, outgoing, pseudo chaotic personalities.

[00:08:09] That's like, oh, it'll be really interesting to see how these two sides kind of vibe together. Or will they not at all? Yes, exactly. I think Camilla is a perfect example of that, because even listening to her interview and I totally related to her on so many different levels where she talks about, you know, I always consider myself like I'm very logical. I'm very, you know, it turns out, no, I'm actually quite emotional, you know, and that like that's fantastic. So she is bringing that energy into the cast. I think who else was I thinking of? Oh, like Justin, for example.

[00:08:38] You know, he has this very like analytical lawyer-y background. But then what does he find is his true passion in life, right? It's pizza. Yeah, it's pizza. It's interacting with customers and like doing all that wonderful people-y, socially stuff. Not so much that, you know, strategic lawyer-y, cutting edge kind of thing. So I think that that's really fun. I really like that. And I do think that that's probably another reason why it feels like a deviation from the traditional new era energies.

[00:09:06] And I'm also intrigued to see because they watched the entirety of season 46. I believe they ended up flying out about like a month after season 46. It ended. Obviously, there was a lot on their minds when they talked with me about it. But I also wonder as well, because that, to your point, was very much what you were speaking about, right? It was a very personality and especially conflict and relationship-driven season rather than necessarily, all right, let's break down the numbers. You know, that's much more of a Survivor 47.

[00:09:34] And so I wonder how much of that is going to influence their game, either one way or the other. Either they feel like this is going to give me the freedom to like maybe be a little bit more emotional and try to pursue, you know, what my heart is telling me over my head. Or I might have them swinging the exact opposite of like, these friggin' maroons. What were they doing? They were, you know, acting too much on their impulses. I got to make sure I come in with a clear head and all these things. Mm-hmm.

[00:10:00] Well, and I think along with 46, like the impact of 46, a lot of them talked about 44. Yeah. And I think that that's another very personality with the Tika 3 sort of driven. And yes, of course, their strategy wrapped into that. But, you know, when they talked about the players and I love, you know, the, I'm so happy you asked the same questions for everybody. Because we get this really nice barometer of like how people are thinking.

[00:10:24] And when the players that they related to, it was a lot of so like strong, social, charismatic players. And so, again, I think that plays into the social element of it all. Now, whether or not they're going to think, okay, but not like too social, like not too bono. You know what I mean? Like we're not trying to win a million hearts out here. We could see that definitely have an impact. Maybe people pull back a little bit, but they just have such strong personalities. How can they, you know? Yeah.

[00:10:54] Before we move on to 48, I would be remiss not to discuss Liana because we are talking on Sunday, February 23rd. And a little less than 12 hours ago at the time we are recording this, there was some big news that came out about Survivor 50, where they had this big beach drop event and screening of the premiere of Survivor 48 last night. I had the great pleasure of going meeting so many fun people there, including alumni, including current contestants as well.

[00:11:23] But Jeff dropped this big bomb that Survivor 50 is in the hands of the fans, at least from a very large, significant perspective, in that the fans are going to be in charge of through a series of popular votes, determining some very key elements in the season. For instance, the first four categories that we are voting on this Wednesday night after the premiere of Survivor 48 include the colors of the tribe.

[00:11:53] Buffs include whether or not the game will start with rice or no rice. And then, you know, two fairly significant ones, but no offense to the food staples and the colors of the buffs in the form of whether Final Four fire making will exist in this season and whether we will get a live after show like we have in the new era in Fiji or if we're going to get the old school quote unquote reunion in L.A. So obviously, you know, I have read about this for parade. I did a reality flash about it.

[00:12:23] But Liana, I want to give you the opportunity to give your thoughts about not only the entire fan voting mechanism, but some of the stuff that's been up for grabs metaphorically in this first match. So first to talk about the fan voting mechanism. Whenever I hear fan votes, I just think of Big Brother and the Have Not punishments. You know, do you want to give them licorice and mice or mice? I don't know.

[00:12:50] Is this finally the season that fans want where they fill it full of cats? Just a house full of cats. That's all I've wanted. Replace a voted out contestants with a Labrador retriever. I'm telling you, please. Listen, that's something you've been stumping for for a long time. That's your get rid of Final Four fire making. Roger, listen to her. I know. Please let that be the vote. That's what I want to vote on. No. So whenever I think of it, you know, I always think of kind of like the goofy Big Brother kind of stuff. But really, this is kind of awesome. Right?

[00:13:20] Like what other show really gives the fans the opportunity to speak back? They don't have to. They don't have to let us do that. They don't have to listen to anything we have to say. They can. Jeff can sit in his little Jeffy throne and go like nanny nanny boo boo. I don't care what you think. Is that where he took the cushion from from Survivor 46 is from the Jeffy throne? Yeah, the Jeffy throne. Yeah. And he almost let Rome sit there, too. But, you know, that's not not yet. Not yet. If you had survived the bow, maybe you could have sat on the Jeffy throne next tribal council. Little Jeffy throne.

[00:13:51] So like, look, I consider this to be an opportunity where like who knows what's going to happen. The show's on the 50 freaking seasons, man. Like, let's just try something fun. Let's do it. Now, in terms of things that we're voting for, it really runs the gambit. I mean, it's tribe flags, which, again, personally, no offense, don't really care, but would love if it was like black, gray and white or some troll. Like, that's wow.

[00:14:16] I mean, it's really biased against those of us that are colorblind of like, I don't know what tribe this is. We're going full monochromatic. It's all variants of blue. No. So like that's opportunity to troll. All right. That's our Bodie McBoat face. Like, let's have fun with that. Let's let's do some nonsense with that one. Name the merge tribe. Try be McTribe face. Try be McTribe face. Just like the Jeffy throne. So that like that's the opportunity to goof around and have fun.

[00:14:42] Then there's the rice element, which has sort of always gone back to me at a fundamental level of the question of how much do we care that they're starving? Personally, I don't care that they're starving. The casuals really care that they're starving. So that's going to be interesting to see how that vote turns out. Then, obviously, the big the big I'm in the room, which to me is the final four fire making. It's been contentious. A lot of people don't like it. A lot of people kind of like it.

[00:15:09] So that one is going to be very interesting and seems like the one that's impacting the strategy the most. Now, the little worm in the back of my head. Oh, yeah, I know. Oh, well, I mean, RFK put it in there. It's part of the new standard for all scientists, apparently. Oh, do you think maybe Jennifer Lanzetti from Co-Rong was like ahead of the times? Like RFK was watching Co-Rong. He's like, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. We should all be doing that.

[00:15:37] So my only concern is if we do vote to successfully eliminate the final four fire making, it's going to get replaced with something worse. Oh, that's actually that's a perfect negotiation tactic of like, oh, you thought you liked this. Just wait until we get rid of this and put something else in its place. Exactly. Just wait until we flip a coin. It's the final four flipping coin challenge. Right. Right. So like that's that's just the trust issues that I have. So that's that's the other concern.

[00:16:04] And then the final one, I'm actually very surprised they're letting us vote on this because I always thought it was a budgetary issue that they like didn't want to come back and film a reunion. But for 50, they can make it happen. So that one, I do feel very strongly that they will want to do one in L.A. after the fact, because even the casuals seem to be on board with not doing the reunion directly after. So who knows how all these votes are going to go? So I love that they span so many different things and the fact that we might get more categories to vote on.

[00:16:34] We definitely will. And so I'm I'm really excited to see what they are, because as you mentioned, I talked about this on the reality flash as well. Like these, at least from our perspective, seem like kind of layups. Now, to your point, final four fire making, like I'm not entirely sure what the general census of the entirety of the survivor fandom is, because as Jeff even pointed out himself, like it does lead to exciting moments.

[00:16:58] And there might be some people that are like, yeah, we don't need a straightforward vote if we can get like an exciting fire making challenge, even though some people might disagree. But I'm intrigued to see, honestly, how far they are going to go for it. You know, are they going to ask if we do two tribes or three? Are they going to ask if we're going to do 26 days or 39 days? Are they going to ask if we're going to do a final two or a final three? Like I was very surprised what was already on the table in this first batch.

[00:17:27] Is that the largest extent to which they'll go? Or is there going to be even more stuff to really put it in the hands of the fans? We will see. But I think for me, it's also clear that like what Jeff had espoused to a lot of press throughout these interviews leading up to this announcement was like him talking about wanting this season to be a celebration of the show. 50 seasons unheard of, especially in the spectrum of reality television.

[00:17:54] And so he really wanted it to be like an honoring of 25 years of this product. And so I know he wanted to get the fans involved in some way. I would imagine this pretty much counts out any sort of fan vote for the cast. I don't think they wanted to do that again for various reasons. And in fact, Jeff, you know, gave a bit of an update on casting last night. He said he was looking for all types of players from all eras, which I think is is, you know, music people's ears for those that were like,

[00:18:24] oh, they're only going to cast from the new era. But I think that this is kind of a way for them to shoot for that happy medium of like, well, we're going to have people be able to contribute to this season, but not in a way that makes it feel like it's entirely out of our hands in a manner of speaking. Like we're still contributing what they can change. And so I do think it's an exciting opportunity on paper, on parchment. I'm really intrigued to see what ends up playing out. And also the idea of like it being so up in the air for the players as well.

[00:18:53] Like they can do as much census taking as they want to. But like when they're sitting out there, they're not going to know if there's final four fire making or not, apparently until the penultimate day. And so it must be maddening as a player to have to plan for so many different scenarios. But at the same time, they're returning players and therefore would probably be more adept in theory to thinking through all those possibilities. Yeah, exactly. You want to challenge people, right? So, all right.

[00:19:22] You've been able to play this game once again. We're adding an additional rule. You know what I mean? Like this is normal, right? This is what happens. And you are strong. Hopefully they are going to cast people who are strong enough to be able to handle no matter anything that they throw at them. So for me, I'm excited. I do. Yeah. Like, okay. That's still 50 though. Like I'm still, I'm okay. All right. Okay. 48. Bring it back. Bring it back. I do want to bring up something about 48 before we get into, you know, our usual preseason fair here.

[00:19:51] Because I don't know, Liana, how much research have you done about the tribal council of Survivor 48? Well, I heard what you and Rob had talked about at the end of your very last summary pod about whichever tribe was last. I'm sure it's the winter, Liana. Like, unless you're down under. Yeah. That's all I want. I just want warmth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You talked about the end of this Siva. Siva? Sava. Siva. Yeah.

[00:20:21] So the universe thing. All right. So let me see if I can bring this up. I'll bring up the tweet that I put out because, again, I had the great pleasure of getting to go out on the set. So I got to experience this tribal council firsthand. So let's bring up what I tweeted out. Here are some of the photos of this set because it is incredibly unique.

[00:20:45] Because, look, we have had a lot of different themes from tribal council as well, from hearkening to cultural elements when the show still moved around to like, oh, here's a shipwreck. You know, here's all these other different things that we're kind of bringing in. But never before have they created like an outright narrative for a tribal council. So for those of you that missed it or might not remember, the art department came up with this completely fictional ancient tribe called the Aizadega.

[00:21:15] And tribal council is like, I wouldn't call it the ruins because they're honestly in pretty good shape. But like, this is where the Aizadega tribe leaders would meet back in the day. And so it's essentially like the players are kind of going to the former Aizadega American Legion, you know, like their old stomping grounds where they used to get together and shoot the shit and make important decisions to make their own important decisions as well.

[00:21:44] And the main thing that represents this aesthetic is like I call them onion bulbs. Like there's this or like the macarons dynamic to it. And that also translates to the tribe flags as well. If you see them like they're not banner flags, they are these two onion bulb shapes on top of each other. So listen, I've talked about this many times before. It's basically the entire ethos of our entire podcast here. Like I love when Survivor gets silly. I love when Survivor just tries shit.

[00:22:14] And like this is a consummate example of this. Mm hmm. I'm so here for this made up civilization thing that they've just created. I like to think that one day in the future when archaeologists are digging up Fiji, once it's been destroyed from, I don't know, a tsunami or something, they're like, oh, yes. Where do we put this? This this new civilization that arose around 2024. Yeah. So you think like it would legitimately be like, oh, my God.

[00:22:42] So they like came and went like they were around enough to build huts. But then they're gone. No records. We've watched previous episodes of Survivor because they'll be like in this Missodian at this point. Like, yeah, I've never heard of the eyes of Daga prior. Ah, they seem to worship onions. Onions must represent something. They love the movie Shrek as well, I'm sure. Who doesn't? Well, so maybe it's not about the age thing. Like maybe that was the eyes of Daga are like a tri full of millennials. And like we finally got the thought exercise.

[00:23:09] It's like, what if you just had a society entirely consisting of millennials? And of course, they died out immediately. Yeah, exactly. What are we supposed to fend for ourselves? Yeah, because they gave up all their avocado toast to buy these houses. And it turns out that they couldn't eat anything after that. Yeah. And we just tried to barter memes. It turns out they're not worth anything. I was today years old when I realized that we couldn't have our own self-sustaining society. I can't have self-sustaining society.

[00:23:39] Only 90s kids would remember when millennials tried to start their own society only to die out immediately. Their mascot was the Kool-Aid man. I don't really get it. Yeah, they all got a Tamagotchi that didn't necessarily work at all. Exactly. And they still managed to kill them all. Oh my God. But yeah, but I will also say like you don't, you'll get I think a glimpse of it probably in some overhead shots. The voting booth has two giant eyes painted on it as well.

[00:24:08] So like there's also this idea of how you're kind of stepping into the mouth of one of these onions when you're casting a vote. Yeah, that's great. You're being yeah, you're just it's Aladdin-y, I guess, in a sense. You got to like step into the lion's mouth. Yeah, the Cable Wonders energy. Yeah, look, it's goofy. It's silly. I'm curious as to how much it's actually going to impact the show or if this is just going to be this thing that we're going to, you know, you and I are going to be like 10 years from now. Remember that time? What's the time?

[00:24:37] I mean, imagine if Jeff's opening monologue was like, all right, once upon a time, there was the eyes of Degas. Or you know what they could do? They should bring back the lore challenge, right? When Jeff used to tell stories that was not about him being the water boy of the Wichita basketball team. But instead of like, these are the ancient cultures. What if he did that for one of these challenges of like, here's a story I'm completely making up. Like if they really infuse that to the point where at the final tribal council, it's not out, without play out last.

[00:25:06] It's like, how did you embody the facets of the eyes of Degas the most? That you earn you a million dollars. Yes, exactly. I mean, everyone creates like they create their own criteria for however they want to evaluate it. And maybe this will inspire them. Yeah, exactly. So it's not going to be about like, what would you do with the money? It's like, but how do you think you represent this ancient civilization of millennials the best? Yeah, exactly. How are you? You know, people think about that when they're voting.

[00:25:35] We think about who they want to represent their season. Now it's about representing the broader tribe. We're going to be a part of the world.

[00:26:13] all right well let's move away from this tribe that's old news liana we gotta get to the new news here let's talk about these players and the only way we know how to do on the bnb we got together or actually we got together separately i don't know if that's a thing but we we decided to come up with a list of superlatives because they always say survivors like high school to assign to these players and through that we'll kind of like filter

[00:26:40] liana especially some of your thoughts on these people as you got to experience them so the first superlative most likely to get a personal segment now this is maybe even more of a layup than the would you rather have the live reunion in la or the after show in fiji because there are i would say two with no offense to everyone else in their stories two very clear examples in my opinion

[00:27:09] of people who are gonna get stories about them wait who who are the two obvious ones i started writing down i gotta list like seven oh interesting well i think you know mitch and eva are both kind of making survivor history in their own ways mitch is the first contestant with a speech impediment and eva is the first openly autistic contestant in the show's history i got to imagine we're getting both of their stories as soon as the premiere like i would not be surprised if their opening confessionals

[00:27:37] are about that considering the fact that they are doing what 700 plus contestants have not done prior yeah i okay yeah that totally makes sense they were both on my list uh i think mitch especially because not that eva's is not um you know we talk people talk about invisible and invisible uh you know um uh disabilities and i think mitch's is just visible is more visible right you're gonna hear it from the moment that he opens his mouth and i loved in his interview with you about how he

[00:28:06] talked about like look this is just something about me i'm just gonna say it right off the bat when i talk to people and then if they want to know more like i'm happy to discuss with them and i think that that is so important because i think it's you know obviously people can have preconceived notions about what they want in an alliance partner and how they're prejudging someone and i think mitch just coming out and being like yes who i am that it doesn't change anything right like it really genuinely doesn't and so i'm happy that he's gonna immediately get out and discuss that because he was so fun to me

[00:28:33] in the interview that you had with him i love that one of his preparation steps was drinking coconut water i don't know why but that like really did it for me they're gonna talk about uh mining the well that is libby from survivor ghost island for information that too going over all the hypothetical questions with libby like what'd you do in this circumstance i mean listen you know like with no offense to libby it's a bit of an any port in a storm like if i had a survivor player who was in a friend of a friend i would absolutely plumb them for as much information as possible then libby honestly

[00:29:01] might know more about like how to compete on what fight to survive than on survivor at this point look but still i think any information that you can learn going into the show especially just about like the difference in the perception of what we do see on television versus what's actually happening in real life so having that inside information i think i think is really valuable talk about eva oh yeah eva so i'm really interested in her um which by the way i hope she's still in her nsf fellowship

[00:29:30] she's still my heart goes out to her anyway um no she was super fascinating i mean i love an engineering grad student yeah he's an engineering phd like i i really love that she is one of the younger contestants on the show which for this you know age range could ostracize her a little bit but it does seem like she's had a number of different experiences throughout life in terms of integrating into different groups um especially with the men you know talk she talks about being

[00:30:00] on the men's hockey team and things like that so again i think that kind of fits with the general energy of the cast yeah what other people did you have in line here who was in your several yes oh my gosh in my several so a couple other people i had joe i think um joe is someone who in general i think is going to go on a screen time um but especially the fact that the story of his sister being the bigger fan and then losing her that is such a heart-wrenching story i they're

[00:30:27] gonna have to tell that story uh i think chrissy is someone else who is gonna get her background charity as well they both had these sort of very interesting stories of their background and their career and like how they ended up where they ended up i think that those are very interesting stories to me so yeah there's a there's a ton of people who have you know the the thing right like some interesting hook while we're talking about joe i would be remiss liana to not ask your

[00:30:55] thoughts on diggler oh my god when he said i so i'm on a plane okay i listened to all these while traveling so you know there's stuff going on people walking around and i was like what did i did he did he say who so i had to pause go back rewind be like yes he did say diggler and then i was like is that and then you said gabler i was like oh okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no that's fantastic i love the fact that i won the draft with diggler like that makes me so happy

[00:31:26] i i absolutely adore and i love joe as well again you could tell this is a guy that wears his heart on his sleeve and authenticity is like everything i want in a survivor contestant because again as we've talked about like you know trying to figure out your emotions in the moment of this very calculated game that's what the show is about since day dot and so i absolutely loved getting the chance to talk with joe and diggler was just the cherry on top i would say the two major things i remember taking away

[00:31:53] from my survivor 48 interviews before i like kind of relitigated and re-listened to them was diggler and of course bianca's boston rob sex dreams oh of course of course that was uh yeah definitely a notable moment for me though of also from the joe interview like not only did you love talking to him he loved talking to you and i love the fact that he was like you should go on oprah which i didn't quite understand that it's like you should be a guest on oprah no i i think a contributor to oprah

[00:32:20] i i think he asked me to stage a coup against oprah i think he wanted me to go in there and say no no no oprah it's my turn my show now but i'm still gonna call it oprah so then they turn on the tv it's gonna be this face yeah i'm excited for the revival of oh magazine it's like all of mike's favorite things yeah exactly like oh oh interesting old school simpsons i didn't realize oprah oprah's

[00:32:49] really into the simpsons now yeah i don't realize that's like oh that's the new oprah listen let me just put this out right now i uh i very much enjoy my name if i if i was given the ultimatum of like you could take over oprah but you'd have to change your name to oprah to oprah i i would go to the courthouse like i would change my name to oprah if needed i mean honestly i don't blame you it's

[00:33:16] quite the empire and you would get to take over so uh so yeah all right well well i'll just call you oprah from here on out then we can see how that fits and if you really want to move forward with it i mean with no offense to brian gumbel i think it is probably the better journalist that i would want to take the name of is this like a situation where do you remember was it subway where it was like if you name your baby subway you get like a like a lifetime supply of subway am i making that up

[00:33:43] that feels like more so i don't know sympathy of like oh for your decisions this is the least we could do or a thing we're giving you i don't know if you want free subway though okay so because that's the other thing i was thinking like maybe i know you're saying well if i'm gonna get the oprah i'm in the air to the oprah throne i'll change my name to oprah but maybe this is like a manifestation situation that you should change your name to oprah first and then the oprah will come to you you know what i mean and then i think what i would do is i would go on the show and i'd be like i'm oprah

[00:34:11] bloom uh and i'm like and now it's my show i you your first mistake was letting me in the door squatters rights exactly this is mine now and i'm taking this all right oprah all right well let's let's move on here to a contestant that uh may not get enough airtime to perhaps have a segment on oprah most likely to get a purple edit now this is interesting because to your point liana

[00:34:38] a lot of personalities popped on this cast was there someone that stuck out to you though or perhaps did not no okay this is someone who's stuck out to me but i'm just nervous that the show that unless they play a big role in strategy i'm nervous that the show will under edit them as a consequence of all these other big personalities and that is thomas oh interesting i think that there's a lot of other people on his on his tribe specifically that also come across as like

[00:35:06] oh yeah these are going to be the people who are going to be getting the confessionals and he maybe is a little bit more soft spoken just compared to the others but to me like he might be one of my winner picks so you know what i mean like it's it could go either way that's what i'm saying if he's involved in the strategy i think he's going to get a great edit if he isn't really so much then i think that there's a universe where he could fall a little bit to the wayside i could absolutely see that i mean

[00:35:31] i think he was had so many great one-liners in my interview with him including like with no of us others he maybe gave like one of the best reasons of like why will he be back on survivor 50s like i'm gay and i like to have a good time like if you want if you want bravo references bring me back to the show so like i could see him get like two lines or gifable moments an episode and people will like hyper fixate on it you know like he'll he'll become the survivor fan base what becky from big

[00:35:58] brother 17 was to andy here and i'm like i'm obsessed with this guy who only says a couple of things every episode but when he does it's absolute gold yes i love that for him that would be so fun that's a great position to be in anyway you just get to come in drop your fun catchphrase and leave leave him wanting more absolutely uh yeah i went i went with maybe with a similar line of logic i went with cedric because i think cedric similarly is an incredibly like stable contemplative quieter force

[00:36:25] even the way that he speaks again was like a little bit more with the lilt than a lot of the more energetic people around him especially on that tribe as well i could see a situation where like i don't know if he'll be in any immediate danger but i do see an instance where like he will especially with him kind of coming into your point earlier point from this perspective of like yep i just want to get along with people you know leave from behind he he and then you know

[00:36:53] hopefully get my way to the end and win a million bucks i could see that more backseat approach lend away to not being shown as much in lieu of these more aggressive forward-facing strategists well he also would bring out oprah mike so you're going out on survivor baby i mean that'd be fun if he said oprah and then in the time since i have enacted my plan it's like hey cedric here i am

[00:37:18] it's the oprah the new oprah well and look the thing is is you know we've talked a little bit in these previous seasons about like who's the disaster tribe right who's who's going to be the disaster tribe and i'm not saying that there's going to be a disaster tribe but if there's a disaster tribe i think it might be these guys i think it might be vula um just as a consequence of like they just seem like a little bit more chaotic like i'm just not 100 sure how all of these energies

[00:37:43] are going to be able to work together um so for me cedric like could be in a little bit of danger i don't know first boot energy for him but uh but i do think that that he might get a little bit more screen time if they go to tribal a lot so all right next up talking about survivor 46 here most likely to flip on their number one ally and let's stick with vula and maybe a contributor uh to all this chaos

[00:38:09] i would say because i think that say is somebody who will act on her own impulses you know she is someone who is incredibly confident in the career that she has built for herself i mean she had just quit her job before going out to survivor because she was like yeah i wasn't feeling it anymore and i decided that i needed a change i could absolutely see her as somebody who like will immediately get in with a group of people you know she is incredibly friendly she talked about being able to make

[00:38:37] any awkward moment into something tangible but then maybe the next day be like i'm not feeling it anymore i think i'm ready to move on here so say we all yeah i could i could say i could see that uh no i i think um i think part of it is also that she talks about being very reactive so if there's a situation where her number one ally maybe doesn't tell her something you know then there's this sort of

[00:39:06] reactionary response to that um so i could definitely see that from from a certain perspective for me the person um that i thought and i guess maybe for sort of similar reasons could be star and i think that was well yeah that was mainly just because she was difficult to read like i i think that she she has very that like wild card energy yeah very fun very very fun energy like i'm so excited she's one of the

[00:39:33] people i'm probably the most excited to see her play just because i don't know what to expect but then i think at this on the same vein like that then could lead to her turning on a closest ally i think also because a lot of people talked about being loyal and wanting to like stick we're creating a family we're keeping the family we're you know we're doing this whole we're being on dandy or we're keeping the family together you know so from from that perspective i was kind of looking for the few people that i thought like maybe would not play in that particular style yeah and i think that star is

[00:40:02] someone who's also very eager to play you know it's always interesting when people come in with their fandom there are some people that have been huge fans for years and so they're like all right i'm finally acting on this decades-long dream let me play hard and there are some people like star that's like yeah i fell in love with this game like two years ago and like now i'm just ready to play i'm just ready to hit the ground running and it does seem like star is definitely one of those people i mean just her energy right it's kind of like bouncing in her seat eager to jump at a moment's notice and so i

[00:40:30] could imagine that would translate to the game as well yeah yeah definitely all right uh let's do some branding here liana uh most likely to come out with some sort of like either a podcast or a merch line or like to immediately hit the ground running on their cameo who do you got from this cast okay i was thinking more on the entrepreneurial like businessy sort of sense and so charity who started her own

[00:40:58] personal fitness brand kind of thing i was like that's perfect plus i think she's already got some interesting catchphrases making a long story less long i very much enjoyed this one of hers um she's the nickname queen as well i think that plays into it there's like a branding element of that so you know i don't know who the tony the rat equivalent is going to be on this season but she could even like sell out like hey you want a line like hey like pass let's get together let's all create our own

[00:41:27] merch line where we each get a nickname or something cute like that i could very much see that in her future like a brand of jerseys where they or like letterman jackets where they all have their nicknames on it exactly yes uh so mine was uh pretty easy even though i don't know how feasible this is i said that shaheem would come out with the line of fake beards oh my god yes or like grooming kits

[00:41:50] yes okay or it could be like the mullet beard combo right all right so liana finally happening the infamous sd is in hd in front of our eyes i gotta get your thoughts on him now that he has become a reality what was so funny to me is that even within this cast as well they're like yeah that guy with a beard like there's something about this man's energy that everybody just notices

[00:42:16] regardless of what group he's in he could be in the 20 year old cast or the 30 year old cast it doesn't matter he stands out in some way fascinating to me so he's persian so obviously puya is like well he's mine i'm drafting him right and i'm like okay that's fine whatever you can you can have your persian king whatever and then i listened to the interview and i was like i kind of want him on my

[00:42:39] i love him i love his energy i'm so so excited when his the moment that won me over was his one of his fave moments being aussie bidding 420 yeah i was like it's done it's done that's amazing i love those little obscure moments when like that's something that you care about oh it means that to me it just shows like how much you appreciate the show for all its little goofy silly nuances yeah which is really fun because again i think that especially from a speech and

[00:43:08] debate perspective you would think that this guy has the more heady like oh when these big arguments ended up happening or like somebody talking in a final trouble council but for him it's like he's like yeah like i got a lot of ideas i need a strategist one of my favorite moments when aussie bid 420 and like deep throated a bunch of ice cream out of the machine like like he has such different vibes to him to the point where say is like this guy's got to work at a surf shack like i'm i'm really

[00:43:33] intrigued to see how people's expectations of shahean line up with the way he actually is on the beach yes yes exactly and that's you know i would say that was sue last season yeah right where sue's the person who's getting all these comments about like i want to work with her i want to work with her his obviously are a little bit different some are i'm super interested in this guy some are like oh i'm a little suss of this guy but you know look they're talking about him

[00:43:59] all right uh the other one i had was justin like just could easily come out with his own line of pizza accessories right like luigi's branded pizza cutter luigi's branded i don't know hairnet because he has such long hair like i think that would be so he can make his own line of restaurant supplies to be completely honest yeah i i like that and i think um i think for him he can do some sort of

[00:44:26] naming like you get to build a pizza or name a pizza or so there's some other like pizza face yes exactly or like some fan contest where you get to win and name a pizza i don't know there's some pizza related things happening with him i forgot to talk about this when i met when i talked about justin with rob but what i realized because to your point about him kind of like leaving you know his life of a law career behind to for you know familial circumstances but to fall in love with

[00:44:55] pizza making it honestly reminds me so much of bob's burgers where bob belcher like admittedly is not under the most uh opulent circumstances like they're barely getting by but like he has such love and care for what he does that on the surface so many people would just shrug off as like hey you just make burgers for a living but like for him that is his life's calling and he obsesses over every second of it that's how i felt about justin like justin loves talking about luigi's loves talking about

[00:45:24] slinging pizzas for a living and honestly it's like incredibly admirable because to have jobs that other people would just completely shirk is like yeah that's grunt work that's what you know teenagers do just to make eight dollars an hour like that is his passion at this point i could not agree more i wrote down a quote from him and he said i can tell you all the things something something how we do our cutlets he was like let me tell you about how we prep our chicken like he was so excited to want to talk

[00:45:54] about it and i you don't have that kind of it you don't bring that energy or those sentences into a survivor interview if that is not important to you like i'm not gonna be out on the island with you talking about my science i'm sorry like it's just not gonna happen you know what i mean but he's like there he's talking about his cutlets we we love that we love that for him so i'm sure he yeah hopefully you wear a shirt hopefully he wears a shirt that says like ask me about my cutlets oh my god see that can be

[00:46:22] or maybe that'll be his nickname cutlets cutlets it's cutlet well let's talk about somebody who who might get cut by uh the elements of the game most likely to have an advantage screw them over so i had charity in here you know she was someone that was very much like i'm gonna take every opportunity that is given to me but also from that perspective i also put down kyle because kyle was kyle was somebody who was also like yeah i'm just gonna keep looking for stuff and

[00:46:51] i could just imagine a scenario where he's like yep beware advantage perfect it's in my hands oh no i have to do this now i'm the most average guy or so i claim how am i gonna be the one to do this ridiculous thing and get away with it okay that's so funny i had kyle on my list too but for a different reason because i usually try to pick my faves so then that okay way when something bad happens to them i'm like well at least i predicted this correctly and kyle was someone who really stood out to me and

[00:47:21] some of the nuances of his answers like one of the things that he said and this is unrelated to being screwed over right this is i'm just talking about in general but he talks about how in his you know you asked how do you prepare right and a lot of people talk about grip strength i worked out i made a fire blah blah blah his answer or part of his answer was i would think when in i was in my job how would i approach this in the game of survivor when dealing with work stuff and it was like

[00:47:46] practicing how to handle social situations or social nuances within the context of the game but doing it irl love love love loved that answer that so fascinates me so when he gets screwed over for some reason perhaps of his own devising like he could do it to himself perhaps at least now i'll feel better um because that's the thing he also thinks he's like look you can play hard the entire time

[00:48:12] and that also might screw him over if he's trying to constantly play hard right so dominate the game boy but like i'm nervous for you well what who did you have besides kyle for your list of most likely to get screwed over by an advantage yeah the other person that i picked was kevin and i don't know why kevin just gives me that energy of like sort of scrambling around maybe a bit and like ultimately ends up either finding the beware advantage and getting screwed over or like misusing it in some way

[00:48:41] through a social advantage like i don't know i'm just um i'm excited for him i'm a little nervous for him because that was just sort of the energy that i felt when i listened to his interview yeah wait until the beware advantage says you can't go to the bathroom for the next 24 hours he's like no i drank all that water i was gonna drink so much water yeah yeah his story though also about sneaking down and watching tv i like i relate to that so i like did you also watch survivor australia

[00:49:07] with on mute no not survivor but i would like try to sneak down and i remember being very close to the tv because you couldn't have the volume on so you know our retina is permanently damaged but our love for tv is very strong and also maybe forecasting how uh nowadays there are certain alumni of survivor australia that we want to put on mute as well on social media yeah exactly block block block block oh chicken's here all right so let's let's we mentioned survivor 50 before liana much like

[00:49:36] kevin we're going back to the well let's talk about who among this cast already project for me is most likely to come back for survivor 50 oh my gosh i i did love this question because to me when you asked it to everybody because there were like two answers right it was either you fell in the camp of this is what i'm gonna give you my genuine answer this is what i'm gonna do to get on 50 or the more interesting camp to me which was like i'm playing for the here and now yeah like i'm

[00:50:05] playing to do this for now so that just in general before i give my answer i thought that that was a very sort of fascinating um response to see the the divide between the two two different sort of styles of players perhaps so in terms of the person who i think could be brought back i mean this it's so tough to know like q i would never have guessed would have been the character that he was you know what i mean

[00:50:29] but i think i have to go with bianca oh purely for her out-of-pocket comments right like this is the type of person that there's more to this well than we're gonna get in one season i need to know all the wacky weird things that she thinks i yes i love getting tired because yeah on the surface like this is another okay pr consultant you would imagine honestly that's like a very honed in crafted

[00:50:57] responses and here she comes being like we should eat the fish raw why can't we eat the fish raw and it made such an enjoyable time for me that again is another example of like you are more than your career like your career can certainly inform the way that you behave especially if it is your your life's passions we were talking about with justin but like there's also a personality that exists outside of that and bianca is like a consummate example of that yeah exactly and you know she

[00:51:24] just the impulsivity applying on the whim getting it on her first try like there's something about this woman that i'm very excited to get to know more about and potentially depending on how much we get to see and how far she gets like this could carry over into 50. so i ended up going with david uh because again i think that david is perhaps again an example of how unconventional this cast is a comparison to the new era considering that when he applied uh he did not know jeff's last name

[00:51:52] but like the thing is is that david is more than his physicality because you would say on paper like yeah but we have all these other you know big beefcakes especially if you look past the new era of people that we could bring back but david has the personality to match like despite the fact that he doesn't necessarily know the show that does not shake his confidence whatsoever in fact it emboldens it to that point about that question i asked about 50 he's like yeah how many child how many immunity

[00:52:21] challenges have people won in previous seasons five i'm gonna win six i'll win seven and then i'll be back here like that that's what makes me so excited for him is that he will not necessarily be one of these people who doesn't know the show that well and as a result decides to like sit back and let people who are more in the know dictate his game and just kind of follow along he is still coming through being like i think i've got this i think i can figure out how to do this and i think that's going to make for a really entertaining character and this is me also trying to get in the

[00:52:50] heads of production but when i see a pattern the pattern being we're mostly casting people who even if they're new fans they're still like pretty rabid fans okay so there's this pattern of casting these big fans and then david pops up and you're just kind of like okay there's something about this man right that production went against what their pattern has been and maybe that was intentional right they were like okay we're overcasting these like super duper uber goober fans and we want to cast somebody

[00:53:18] goober fans i think that's a new term i know uh so like maybe that's the reason okay and david just happened to be the one that was going to fulfill that criteria but then the other part of me is like there's there's something about him you know there's so there's something about david the spinoff from the season uh so that there's a person named mary on the season yeah exactly that's what i'm saying it's the sequel um so i'm yeah i'm intrigued there's more than just chocolate milk about this man and i

[00:53:47] think we saw a snippet of it in your interview but i think we're gonna see more out on the island so i love this back all right next up and speaking of other recent news it has been confirmed this week the newest host of on fire with apologies to rome who tried to manifest it we have a woman fest in the form of rachel the most recent winner is going to be joining jeff and jay wolf so who is going to be

[00:54:10] jockeying to fill her seat from survivor 48 i had a couple here and they're both from the same tribe i'm deciding between mary and stephanie uh okay mary has a very different energy i think for a podcast but people talked about it rob even did of like some of the quotes that she had in my interview were like something straight out of a self-help book or like a philosophical manifest of like these

[00:54:38] absolute nuggets of wisdom that were just firmly ensconced in us sitting sweaty in the jungles of fiji talking for half an hour about what she's going to do in the game i think she is so like incredibly well crafted in the way she speaks and the way she thinks that i think if she does well could portend into like a really fascinating person to just talk to on a podcast stephanie i think again has this really interesting dichotomy where like she does have a mind for

[00:55:05] numbers she was running a monte carlo simulation about the the shot in the dark and coming up with all these hot takes but like has this really fun pseudo goofy personality that a lot of people were picking up on as well and like clearly loves to gab about her love of survivor and reality tv alike and so like she would also be a great personality for a podcast as well it's actually so funny those are the two that i had on my list and i think that it's picking up the same thing stephanie is the other

[00:55:33] one um you know beard man aside right stephanie was kind of the other one who got a lot of comments about her like whether positively or negatively so that to me shows that there is something about her that really stands out so i think that she could bring a lot of different perspectives like all wrapped into one person to to the podcast mary also simply because i just i enjoyed her energy and i also wrote down some of those quotes mike right learning how to say no to others so she can say

[00:56:02] yes to herself boom that's amazing that's my new mantra i'm gonna write that down i'm putting it on my mirror every morning i can look at it and say that to myself i'm learning to say no to others so i can say yes to myself so i i think that um that she could be very very very fun on the podcast i mean look at the end of the day it's probably gonna be a winner or someone in the final three i would imagine so the other answer would just be the winner just going with the chalk option of like

[00:56:31] yeah you pretty much like not only have you won a million dollars we're not giving away any prizes except for a spot on on fire the next season exactly it's what you really really want exactly want to know what you're playing for the title of soul survivor a million dollars but most importantly oh my god the third chair on on fire that's uh that's one of the things we're gonna get to vote on mike yeah oh my god what if that was it what if it's like you can't vote the cast on

[00:56:58] you can vote who's gonna occupy and then is that like when we go full chaos and we're like all right put like uh put david on just see how david responds to all this yeah right exactly or it's like voting for 50 and like 49 just gets screwed over that none of them get to be the host that we get to just vote from someone in survivor history to be the uh the host

[00:57:19] for 50. last but certainly not least in honor of the beloved baby andy who is most likely to have some issues on the mat in the first episode but go on to rise like a phoenix from the ashes liana i admittedly pleaded the fifth on this one because i was able to be there for the first few days so i did not want to try to show my hand one way or the other but i'm very intrigued as to see

[00:57:46] who you said i have no idea it's funny because this is one of the ones i gave mike i was like yeah we should do a superlative for this and then i'm like looking through the cast i'm like i have no freaking clue um maybe like i'm trying to think of someone who maybe like the outdoors isn't necessarily their vibe um that could be someone that we could see i feel like there was someone who had talked about that um and kevin kevin had said that the outdoors was his biggest weakness okay then i will go back

[00:58:16] to the well with kevin yes kryptonite not outdoorsy um which actually that brings up another question i had for you more generally which is prepping with fasting versus prepping with eating a lot and putting on weight like do we know what the ideal strategy is because it seemed like this cast had both yeah and it usually is the case like the one dichotomy i can usually think of is that tyson has said

[00:58:42] yeah don't like stuff as stuff up as much as you can and jeremy has said no then like before going out for second chances like i limited my diet to like just eating one peanut butter jelly and sandwich a day i have no idea what the final results are i mean i think you know charity could tell you firsthand a lindsey glashevich as well like i think it depends on your body like i don't think there is a one size ironically enough fits all for uh your pant size for like what you choose to do prior to it i

[00:59:10] think it depends on like how your own body metabolizes and how it could respond to that i mean i don't think it's ever a huge problem to get used to fasting i wonder if kyle is maybe to his point about again being the best average guy like the happy medium right where he said that he he built muscle but he also purposely put on a couple pounds to have fat reserves that could wear away

[00:59:35] in the first couple days i wonder if that's where you try to shoot of like don't go ham on milkshakes for an entire month prior but like try to build up something on top of your natural muscles so that you will have something to kind of burn through and not immediately gas out yeah i think mitch did the same thing that was like let me put on an extra like 10 pounds to just like give my body some extra fat reserves to burn off um you know because this isn't 50 we're not getting rice maybe maybe fans vote

[01:00:05] for it uh so we actually went through the vast majority of the cast liana but i'll give you an opportunity to give your quick thoughts about the couple that we did not necessarily mention you talked about camilla earlier but uh this is where we want to shine the spotlight on her give me your thoughts yeah okay um so i think she was maybe one of the people i related to like personally

[01:00:29] the most um i feel that her at least with the stage that she's at in her life about learning to be herself and what it means to be herself instead of having whatever preconceived notions she wanted to be right it's like okay this is the person that i envision myself to be this is the person i see myself to be versus this is the person i actually am yeah i think coming to terms with those two different things is something that i've been through recently and slash i'm going through at the same

[01:00:55] time so from a personal perspective i really like that i also enjoyed that she's impatient with slow people who are slow who walk slowly that's a great we love that um she does i know she even draws a comparison to erica but i can see it right someone who looks young who comes across as like this you know tiny little lady but who really has a lot of depth to her and someone who i could see playing quite well i love the fact that she was vibing with giga chad because her and david

[01:01:25] running that tribe would be so fun to me manifested i need it to happen yeah yeah exactly so i'm you know i'm i'm really looking forward to her and i think the the last thing i'll say about her is her love of stardew valley as someone else who's a stardew valley girl you like that warms my heart that she's out there on the island just like harvesting her crops growing her her little farm that's so fun and she'll maybe have to pick a mate right much like stardew valley does yeah exactly is she gonna

[01:01:55] get married is she gonna have chickens all very real possibilities of drawing natural steps in life yes first comes love then comes marriage then comes chicken chickens yeah exactly we all want to coop well let's stick with caesar uh ceiba sees caesar uh ceiba let's talk about chrissy any thoughts about chrissy the oldest player on the season the cool aunt if you will oh yeah she's a cool aunt yes i she's another very old school energy right like that's kind of what i get from her especially

[01:02:22] the fact that she's um was she the one who didn't like super fans practicing in your practicing your basement is cheating love that i would love to see her meet hunter like what is her opinion about hunter because i'm wondering i'm like they're gonna get along but he's practiced a lot of those puzzles that she can hate that um she uh you know i don't know how much she retained about the show proper in terms of the mechanics and and that's why it's someone else who is maybe not like this is not to

[01:02:52] me like a very strategic cast but i don't think that that's inherently a bad thing because i think that she'll fit in with with a lot of the other players um the she does seem like someone who is going to speak her mind you know is that going to get her into trouble i'm excited for her to meet shush girl that is an interaction i would love to see so she just fascinates me from uh i want to see this person play the game i agree i'm really intrigued to see like i think she's going to rely

[01:03:20] much less on her survivor history as again maybe some of these other players of like oh i remember in this when this happened so therefore i shouldn't do this i mean she'll remember maybe what what yaya did but that's pretty much it uh so i think that she's gonna much more rely on like her life experience and like to your earlier point is this really interesting journey that she had where she talks about it in her one minute video of like walking to the fire department asking for a hook for her purse

[01:03:44] like working her way up to a leadership position and the person that people look to with their lives on the line i could see something similar here where she just like comes in and ends up becoming this like kind of quiet leader of siva where everyone feels like she's one of the most stable reliable presences on the season and i love the fact that she also mentioned when she was doing the kryptonite week like the the weakness strength conversation where her her kryptonite she's like look i talk i might

[01:04:10] talk too much and i can be an open book and we've seen that get people in trouble right you say oh i don't like this and then that's like the one small reason why they vote you out so she's aware of that but i love the fact that she's going to be herself because that authenticity is really going to shine through and then might also allow her to create those connections and be sort of that like stable rock of the tribe that you mentioned all right liana any other thoughts about any of these

[01:04:34] specific tribe members from your perspective i think we've talked about everybody it's it's this cast like i can see these individual players as individual units and i feel like i understand the individual person for the most part yeah but when you put them all together like that was why even you and rob were talking about who i think is going to be paired with whom like no offense but you guys didn't even have a very clear vision right or you were disagreeing and i think that that's what makes it fun

[01:05:03] because it's this unknown the unexpected expect where i'm expecting the unexpected baby about how these people are going to individual like how individuals are going to come together to work as units right and that's the like fascinating part and i think that's going to make for a very fun pre-merge and then when we get everybody together hopefully a fun post-merge well especially because if they start playing individualistically as well like certainly the tribe game is a thing and challenge strength might be something that gets voted on in which case some people might be in trouble

[01:05:31] more than others but like these people also might just say hey that's fine like we'll go to tribal council if we need to in the meantime i need to take out this person right now and that always leads to great tv yes exactly and that's where the we can see some really strong loyal bonds form where it's about my group right playing individually from the sense of like it's my family versus your family this is like the mafia wars season of survivor who knows all right well liana we have given our

[01:05:59] thoughts yes about the cast but there's a yes very significant group of people whose thoughts have gone unsaid on survivor 48 until now until now until now and look now that we're going to be getting into voting for 50 i think it's more important than ever to tap into the casuals corner and this is going to put you mike in the hot seat a little bit because you have been able to give your thoughts

[01:06:24] to listen to all the interviews and now i'm going to ask you some questions about those casuals thoughts so for you those of you who are tuning in for the first time this is the game we love to play on the bmb where i go into the survivor facebook page and i dig into what the other groups of the fandom are thinking about survivor and in particular for this episode we're going to be talking about the cast previews so mike had mentioned in some of his interviews talking about these one minute videos that survivor likes to put out about individual cast members and they post them to the facebook page

[01:06:54] and the comments run wild so here's the way this game is going to work i'm going to read you a comment mike and you are going to try to guess whoops that comment is about okay okay i'm actually intrigued again not to do too much on 50 has the news of the fan vote reached them yet to the survivor facebook page post anything about it yet so i put the game together yesterday and then the announcement came out

[01:07:18] like hours after i had finished so i'm not 100 sure i can quickly check though i was gonna say if you want to quickly check yeah i can look and see if anything has come out yet they're a little bit slow sometimes on the post um and they have also been posting things twice so it's a little bit chaotic over there as i was telling mike but yeah that's sort of like uh when you forget if you locked your car or not you're like i'll just press the lock button again it's like oh did i post this video

[01:07:44] i should post it again nothing about 50 has been posted they're focusing solely on on 48 for the moment so let's us focus on season 48 mike here is your first comment so again you're gonna tell me which contestant this is about okay he seems the type to use no worries a lot he's the type

[01:08:09] it seems to use no worries well first off very millennial slash eyes of day get coded like i'm pretty sure i saw a meme that was like how each person would respond to like somebody saying they're sorry and millennials was no worries which like i'm very guilty of no worries uh i mean listen we we had the lion king like as part one of our pivotal childhood cultural moments like first we're gonna put

[01:08:32] akuna matata no worries in there i am going to say it's tough because like justin has the look i don't know if he has necessarily the temperament for it i think i will ultimately i might go maybe i'm just based on like say his assessment of shaheen being this like surf shack guy so maybe i don't know maybe she was talking about justin the more i think about it i'm gonna go with

[01:09:01] i'll go with shaheen here okay uh both of those would have been incorrect it was actually kevin who got this bro no worries i could see that again kevin has this like really fun positive kind of wide-eyed energy to everything they'd be like yeah no no worries no worries it's totally fine totally cool he has the most infectious smile like i am obsessed with his little picture because i put together when i was going through all the preseason interviews i grabbed like pictures of everybody

[01:09:28] you just look so happy i want to listen i would i would go into abercrombie and fitch if he was at the front of it i'd be like if this guy's any indication of what's in there i'm headed in there telling me i can look like him i love it all right your next comment is what is up with the muscle flexing doesn't mean you're going to be a good player oh i mean so the obvious pick here is david and

[01:09:56] i'm trying to remember from the one minute videos like i it's almost 100 guaranteed that david flex in that video the question is did joe i don't i think joe is a very humble person that he wouldn't be like he'd be like yeah like i'm pretty strong you know like i don't know if joe would be like and i'm this absolute chunk of muscle that exists out there so i will just go occam's razor right here i need a win i will go with david all right that is good logic but unfortunately incorrect what chrissy flexes

[01:10:27] wow and they're like how dare you how dare you flex that does not mean you're going to be a good player not that i'm sure she's like i'm gonna play amazing yeah like of all people for chrissy to be like uh yep this is it this is my game yeah like what okay sure all right here's maybe one of my favorite comments uh from casuals corner i hope your bangs can grow a little while you're out there

[01:10:54] oh that's mary yeah mary's baby bangs baby not coming for mary's hair you know it is interesting because a lot of people like to track the facial hair growth of course on the men we haven't had like a day one to day 39 bang check also i mean first of all i feel like uh not a lot of players come in with bangs necessarily because i feel like if you did come in with like the carpet bangs you'd be

[01:11:21] looking like cousin it by day 26 or day 39 yeah and you want to be as someone with long hair you want to be able to pull that back you know what i mean like you really don't want that getting in your face as someone who had bangs when she was younger even a little bit of like getting in your oh it's so annoying so i can imagine one why she would maybe go on the shorter side because if she does if they do grow out she's gonna be fine uh but just in general why you wouldn't want to have them you know

[01:11:45] the the bobby pins get lost when i'm at home right imagine i would lose them so hard on survivor yeah you'd be like jeff i'll trade in my shot in the dark for a bobby pin right now i need to pin these bangs back exactly oh can we trade our flint for some hair hair clips please you can use hair clips to start a fire just strike them at the right at the right time yeah do you think that maybe uh the this more spoiler minded people like we're watching mary's social media like look at those bangs

[01:12:13] where are the inches on that thing how long did she last you're seeing the comparison photos side by side with little rulers trying to measure how far they grew yeah how big is that forehead exactly how much forehead space she has it's measuring the more forehead or final forehead it's giving final forehead final forehead i'm really feeling for her final forehead yeah i love the final forehead fire making challenge that's like such a mouthful that's how you get rid of

[01:12:40] that hair just singe it off yeah well i've seen those like viral videos of like this guy uses unconventional methods to cut hair in the middle of eastern europe it's like singeing it off just heat up that machete and just there you go easy haircut let's talk about the next comment

[01:13:03] his achilles heel is his mouth oh well first off that person needs to study anatomy because i don't think that's how that works or maybe needs to go back and stop studying the eyes of day again more so study other empires in ancient greece yeah exactly i love that statue okay so his achilles heel is his mouth i mean again david was one of the most braggadocious in his confessional

[01:13:32] shaheen could be another one considering he does do a lot of talking in his one minute video so you said he right that's the pronoun it did yeah okay because otherwise you could say like that star in a nutshell uh i will go with you know they said a definition of insanity is trying the same thing and expecting a different outcome and i am far from sane so i will go with david here your insanity

[01:13:57] proves well mike bloom that is correct yeah they're the first time for everything yeah and that's it no they uh boy the casuals had a lot of feelings about david so i'm sure because like again i think we probably unfairly attribute characters like david to like casual fodder right yes and i would say that he yeah he had a lot of comments but very similar responses to him so for example oh boy lol i wonder how

[01:14:27] long this guy will last awesome a narcissist lol let's see let's see who he charms and who he repels lol lol next item up for auction humble pie if he even makes it there i roll emoji so yeah a lot of strong feelings about david very very big reaction for him i love a nice one-liner there like if you did

[01:14:51] your usual like uh which one of these did i write that would have passed for a comment from you i know oh we're just the synergy it's great your next comment is the snort laugh will not go far oh that's stephanie yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they really uh really latched on to that one okay your next

[01:15:16] comment is don't be flicking your hair like andy that drove me absolutely nuts oh okay so uh hair seems to be the focus of a lot of this cast i don't know if uh jam jam and kenzie inspire people to now make stylistic comments about these people but so i've got a couple of options here obviously a lot of the women are up for grabs right now and i'm trying to remember if any of the women flick their hair

[01:15:43] over the course of this or it could just be aesthetically like justin has long hair andy had long hair justin flick hair like andy me thinks not uh i will say just because i can't remember anyone who would like maybe charity flicked her hair i will say justin though of these surface level comparisons stay on the surface no need to go deep yeah that's correct it's just justin

[01:16:13] so the caveman explanation really made sense yeah i'm like uh uh i could just imagine they i mean i would feel bad for jessica's like he talked about in my interview right he's like yeah it kind of sucks like i got so much sand in my hair when i was out here like i gotta tie it back i'm gonna train in my flint for a freaking uh hair band jeffy that like i would feel terrible for him like he'd have to flick it back because it's just sometimes a nuisance out there but these poor casuals are watching him like a hawk making sure that doesn't happen well and they liked it were not particularly

[01:16:43] fans of andy so i'm sure any opportunity to talk about it it's a little regina george-ish and that like i can't keep talking you know like it's a word vomit i can't stop talking about him so wow now we're mixing our uh high school metaphor if we had she's all that now it's mean girls for andy we're moving it all together all right you've two more comments left your second to last comment is a normal person refreshing this feels i don't know who this is insulting like is it insulting to like

[01:17:12] the normal person or is it insulting to everyone else there's a bunch that i was like i can't tell if this is an insult or not so i'm going to imagine again going surface level here kyle is the one who actively said as i mentioned before like i'm the most normal guy you'll ever meet so i think it's talking about kyle okay that is incorrect really in fact it's bianca i mean to their point the way

[01:17:41] she comes across the interview versus my interview with her it is like night and day that's what i'm saying it's perfect for the onion tribe like there's layers here okay one minute video you get layer one the 15 30 minute interview oh boy we're deep in the yeah you should comment on like uh just go to this lake to find out all about her boston rob sex dreams exactly read that fan fiction uh okay

[01:18:06] your last comment good luck no that's not the comment um i'm wishing you good luck on this last comment it is hashtag ass man first off how did they get my license plate that i stole from kramer okay hashtag ass man so i'm i'm just intrigued from this person's psychology perspective like are they trying to bring the hashtags back to survivor like they were you know maybe that should be something that

[01:18:36] survivor 50 can vote on like now we can put these really weird hashtags at the bottom of a hashtag survivor breakdown hashtag coffee is for closers i remember that that was one of the last ones they put there on the lower third so are they doing that or are they trying to say like uh yeah i'm trying to get a movement going right now like the hashtag ass man and this also has a couple directions we can

[01:19:00] go we could go quite literally to the posterior and be like are they checking out that badonk and uh thinking about like wow that's got a lot going on but no this is cedric yeah again like listen i as my as my interview was very clear i was very much with the casuals

[01:19:24] from this i i have so much appreciation for the professional career that this man has been able to get like obviously a lot of hard work but all i could think while i was sitting there was like but doctor he's a butt doctor he looked at butts for a living it's so funny because i was like oh wait

[01:19:45] why did they say that about cedric i was like oh right that all makes sense yeah plus he wants to lead from behind like like it's it's come on man come on come on i know that you know rob was coming after being like you little childish man i'm like listen the low hanging fruit sometimes tastes sweeter

[01:20:11] than what's up above in the canopy you know like i got i can only take what was given to me in that moment exactly so hashtag ass man it is there we go yeah i uh i hope that i hope that carries through i hope that that one casual is able to get this movement going throughout proud of them yeah we're gonna we'll ride i'll ride that hey i don't know leave me alone

[01:20:37] it's fine so yeah so look that uh that does it for the casuals comments you know some people did like you know kyle this guy has something so far he's my pick he's calculating like there's you know other comments people were interested um those ones that stood out to me yeah are there any like general comments about them or is this still like another like yeah we have these these opinions about these individuals yeah it's it's still mostly the opinions about the individuals you know there's

[01:21:05] sort of the general vibe of like it's survivors too woke kind of stuff like that that always is gonna come up i would say less though this year than i've seen in previous years it does seem to be like individual comments about people um there was another one about say that i couldn't tell if it was an insult or a compliment was love that mindset holding grudges and being vengeful which i didn't know if that was sarcasm or not which or they like genuinely love that mindset you never know you never

[01:21:34] know yeah absolutely so we're intrigued to see obviously how much these predictions will come to fruition uh i will also introduce as we usually do leon and i will write pre-season predictions out as to you know how we think these people will do i have nowhere to go but down because i was like stupidly astoundingly on the money for how season 47 would go but also like i'm marred anyway

[01:22:02] because people will just say that because i was out there for the first tribal council that like i know how everything's gonna go so i'm i'm elated to be wrong here to have the reversion back to the mean of liana being more correct about things than i am though to your point like this is this might be shaping up to be a very unpredictable season considering like we don't even know how these people are going to initially interact with each other oh my god i have no idea i tried to make my draft board right and part of it is also trying to identify who i think the first boot is gonna be

[01:22:28] right because we have the grenade rule as part of the the rhap draft i'm like i have no idea i have no clue so it's gonna be a little bit of a crapshoot but as mike has nowhere to go but down i have nowhere to go but up so i'm pretty thrilled for how this season i think is gonna go i'm really looking forward to it and i can't believe it's just around the corner all right well the last thing we do on each and every bnb is that we highlight a charity not the person or cause that

[01:22:56] is important to us i'm so excited to say that every week as well by the way get used to that people uh but yeah an opportunity to kind of take a break from the silliness and highlight something that is going on in the outside world that should get your time attention if the funds if if you can do so liana did you have any in mind i had one if you did not um well i uh so i'm just gonna generally talk about um any sort of science foundation charity because right now science is oh it's under attack

[01:23:25] uh no but like genuinely i have a lot of friends who are losing their jobs or losing their positions basic scientific research which is the fundamentals of also any research in the country it's very important so like for example the american heart association which funds a lot of grants because you know that's a area of research i'm involved in but if there's any sort of other charities that support um a disease or something that you know you may have personally been affected to i highly recommend this is a perfect opportunity to reach out and donate because funding is being pulled left

[01:23:54] and right from government uh institutions and so we as scientists are going to be looking to some of these non-profits to continue to fund the work that we do so that's my general call to action the other call to action i will add alongside that is uh look while we have made a lot of jokes about voting on fire incorporating a role into survivor 48 and 50 of course this year started off with absolute devastation in the form of the wildfires that have affected la and luckily while things are

[01:24:23] you know under control right now there was absolute devastation that occurred across that city that obviously is something that has a lot of ties to survivor as well might be the home of its season 50 reunion so there is still a lot of relief efforts uh that you can contribute to if you have the ways and means to do so you can contribute to the california community foundation wildlife recovery fund you can contribute to the california fire foundation there's a lot of different places you

[01:24:49] can give to if you see an individual go fund me for someone who was affected by the fires absolutely try to contribute in any way and of course our hearts go out to those that were affected by those uh because you know survivors a game where you were kind of like building everything from the ground up and nobody outside of the island deserves to undergo that form of devastation and the feeling of losing everything uh so yeah listen it's it's a wild world out there especially

[01:25:15] to start off 2025 and never have i been more grateful liana to get this opportunity to kind of come on and goof off for an hour and a half every week about survivor i think especially with this cast we're going to have a very fun time over the next few months i'm i'm really looking forward to it i think it's going to be an absolute blast of course you we have 50 on the horizon but the the 48 snack is going to be just what we need i think to get through these next couple months yum yum i hope it's pizza bagels

[01:25:44] well justin's got one with your name on it oprah oh wow it's gonna be very tough to spell on a pizza bagel it's very small but what's not very small liana is the list of podcasts coming up from the two of us because what's interesting is that at the last time we recorded one which is at the end of survivor 47 we both had projects to tease and now those projects are officially like public now and we can speak about them so why don't you start why don't you plug what you have going on out there

[01:26:11] in the pod sphere yes oh my gosh yeah that's actually so wild that's really fun i love that so drag race is going on of course we're having so much fun with the current season that's airing but as mike discussed the puya and liana lounge now officially exists in the ether that is the universe and i'm it's been such a fun weird journey if you just want to break from anything reality tv anything just in general it's just puya and i goofing off having a good time talking about

[01:26:39] random nonsense so i highly recommend highly highly recommend you check it out it's very fun yeah it's it's an it's a nice like hang show hang with your friends hear about your week hear about what's going on and just get an access as well to like granted your very online relationship considering that like that's how you met but like to see a bit more of like what happens outside of to your point having a show that you need to talk about exactly it's the dynamic of what's going on behind the scenes we do talk a little bit about reality tv of course how could you not but um but

[01:27:08] yeah it is it's a very chill hang getaway vacation kind of show and so the show that i can plug is of course the reality flash which is rhap's own breaking news podcast in the world of reality tv listen there's a lot of stuff out there there's a lot of shows that seem to be even more so growing in size and so whenever something comes out that you need to know about i will be in your eyes and ears

[01:27:35] giving you what you need to know about who you need to know when you need to know it and why you need to know it and i guess how you need to know it if i'm just gonna fill in all those questions exactly yeah get all get all the w's well i would say for me i will plug uh the reality flash as well as someone who has stopped really being on social media for like mental health reasons oh it's the perfect way to keep up with everything because i like just i'm not seeing the tweets i'm not seeing

[01:28:02] the skeets right so mike bloom it's the one-stop shop you get all your updates for reality tv so thank you liana yeah and we got a pretty packed dance card i would say for this weekend so get this so we have friday i came out with sort of like this fun little hodgepodge potpourri of a bunch of random news tidbits from the reality tv universe including one involving a uh former returning player from a

[01:28:26] survivor then saturday there was the big news about survivor 50 from jeff that i did a quick reality flash about and then today probably at the time this is being released there will be another reality flash because there was this like big expose that came out about the bachelor universe on friday where listen uh we're very lucky to have jeff probst really uh front center and talking about all these things with survivor 48 and 50 because this could be a lot worse when it comes to showrunners

[01:28:55] allegedly and so i'm going to be joined by hailey strong to break down some of the allegations that have come out recently about them so it really is a hodgepodge everything from like you know i did a preview of like the challenge 41 speculated cast everything from that to like maybe some controversial or like tmz-laden moments that have happened to like some of these bigger pieces like the bachelor stuff we're getting into whatever you need to know about reality tv go to therealityflash.com

[01:29:20] and of course from a survivor perspective there's a lot as liana talked about uh my interviews are all out there in written form in audio form in video form if you want to do like a quick crash course into who these people are i have hours of entertainment for you all to check out and i'll keep on going obviously i had the great pleasure of getting to be out there in the first few days so i will give a lot of behind the scenes info both on social media and in article form about

[01:29:50] like stuff you may have missed that did not ultimately make the edit i'll of course continue doing weekly exit press including with the first food from survivor 48 coming up on thursday and then of course when the weekend rolls around the bnb comes calling we're going to be back every weekend with a guest talking to the most recent episode and playing some games around it and just having a generally malarkey filled time so that being said we are a community i know we're past the community

[01:30:18] theme but if you have game ideas we want to hear from you no idea is too stupid for the bnb people who have been listening to this for a long time know that is abundantly clear so you can reach out to us you can email us actually r-h-a-p-b-n-b at gmail.com so r-h-a-p the letter b the letter and the letter b at gmail.com you can contact us on social media using hashtag r-h-a-p-b-n-b honestly

[01:30:43] any idea for a game that pops into your mind even the smallest stuff we can kind of warp and contort to fit into something gameable and so who knows you know your suggestions might show up on a podcast including this upcoming week so that's going to do it for our inaugural survivor 48 episode here on the bnb again i'm super excited to be back at this with you liana it has been two too long we both launched our own individual podcast in the meantime but now we get to come back together

[01:31:12] for the good stuff for the bnb just like gail and oprah yes exactly me well gail's gonna have a certain reaction when she sees me out there unless do i replace gail with a new gail yeah that's a good question i think i think it's me liana liana you want to be you want to be gail can i be gail yeah so everyone if everyone wants to advertise like liana and i are the new oprah and gail let's just really start this movement going that would be incredible that's what i'm saying dress for the

[01:31:41] job you want not the job you have mike all right well i better get changed into a blue pantsuit right now but that's gonna do it for this week on the bnb special thanks to the entire rhap team behind the scenes for packaging this podcast for your eyes and ears and wolf america for his fantastic theme song which if you're listening to the audio version will be opening and closing out the podcast of course liana and i will be back in just a week's time covering the jam-packed

[01:32:05] two-hour premiere of survivor 48 until then everybody will check you out at your next game

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