Survivor AU: Titans V Rebels | Week 1 (Eps 1-3) Recap | Rob Cesternino

[01:00:01] Like that's why splitting the votes is such an interesting conundrum.

[01:00:03] Like it's not been solved.

[01:00:04] I don't think that there is like a solution to should you be splitting.

[01:00:09] So it's situational in this situation.

[01:00:12] Like I get the fear that like she has an idol.

[01:00:15] I think the worst that Eden did in all of this was being so transparent

[01:00:18] at that incredibly entertaining heated tribal council.

[01:00:21] He actively said that she's thrown out his name.

[01:00:24] And I was like, well, now she has an idol.

[01:00:25] She probably will play it.

[01:00:26] Like at that point he's splitting.

[01:00:27] But I felt like that wasn't necessary.

[01:00:29] Like maybe you don't need to split as much if you're going to be less clear about this.

[01:00:32] So I and obviously the order of that is reversed.

[01:00:35] He splits and then he's clear.

[01:00:36] But I thought that was too transparent.

[01:00:38] And a lot of people this week were too transparent tribal, which we can talk about.

[01:00:41] But it did lead to three, I thought, very entertaining tribal councils.

[01:00:45] But I felt like from a split perspective.

[01:00:47] So people were concerned about a couple of things which we can talk through.

[01:00:50] Firstly, three votes on Nathan.

[01:00:53] Yeah. And then he comes back and he's pissed off.

[01:00:57] This is a very small loss for me.

[01:00:59] Like, I feel like Nathan should already be pretty pissed off that you voted out

[01:01:01] Frankie and if he isn't, then who knows if this will even turn him like that man

[01:01:05] doesn't know what the frick is going on.

[01:01:06] So I think that's a very minimal loss for me.

[01:01:10] It's like, yeah, he gets to a swap if he gets to a swap like he's not in a great spot.

[01:01:15] If he gets to a swap, he'll be pissed off.

[01:01:18] Like, I don't feel like this makes it so much worse than already blindsided him

[01:01:23] at the first tribal council.

[01:01:24] But I guess at best, you don't really want to, you know, piss him off.

[01:01:28] What I would have done, because what the split isn't against the three guys

[01:01:33] and Jess, right, that's seven for that's not a split.

[01:01:35] And I think this confused people in the episode because it felt like it was

[01:01:37] going to be the guys and Jess against Eden.

[01:01:40] And so they couldn't split.

[01:01:41] But really, it was a 10 on one where the guys, I think, were always with Eden

[01:01:46] always voting Jess. I don't think Eden's going to get paid back.

[01:01:50] You don't have to get much credit for Frankie.

[01:01:52] We see them talking to Eden.

[01:01:55] We see Nathan talking to Eden.

[01:01:56] Winner even is on the Nathan side of the split, which we'll talk about.

[01:02:00] We only ever see Eden's name come up when talking to Jess because she's the boot.

[01:02:04] Like, I don't think Eden's ever in trouble.

[01:02:05] And I want to give that credit there.

[01:02:06] Like, it's not like, oh, were you already?

[01:02:08] It's not like they worked out that he was the mastermind.

[01:02:10] Like, there's nothing going on here that's super concerning.

[01:02:13] So in splitting against just Jess' idol, he can just throw one vote.

[01:02:18] Like, he doesn't need to do three votes.

[01:02:20] We kind of talked about this with Jerry last year.

[01:02:22] It piles on in a way that seems like this is a plan or we're splitting on you

[01:02:25] versus like just throwing one vote.

[01:02:27] Eden can take that on.

[01:02:28] He can upset his allies less.

[01:02:29] It's one conversation with Mark of like, I'm a little worried.

[01:02:31] I'm throwing one vote on Nathan.

[01:02:33] He can wear that in a way that just puts less on his allies.

[01:02:36] And it says as effective of a split against what they're doing,

[01:02:39] which is just against Jess' idol.

[01:02:41] So I could optimally I do that.

[01:02:45] I still think the split is fine.

[01:02:46] Like, to do that against an idol, I would just do it myself.

[01:02:50] And then it's like, anything can come back and be pissed off.

[01:02:52] Maybe you or it looks like less of a plan.

[01:02:54] Maybe it looks like you went rogue out of fear.

[01:02:56] I just think that's better.

[01:02:58] The only reason to do three is if winner is truly with that seven

[01:03:02] because he does vote on the Nathan side of the split.

[01:03:05] And I don't know that, like, I believe that to be true

[01:03:06] or that I would trust winner in that.

[01:03:08] So I really think like the one vote split.

[01:03:10] My brother was very strong on this, that that's what he should have done.

[01:03:12] But like, I'm not I'm not super anti like pissing off Nathan.

[01:03:17] Like, who cares?

[01:03:18] Maybe famous last words, but like he should be mad regardless.

[01:03:22] Yeah, I do wonder if they're sort of like laying some track of that.

[01:03:24] Nathan is going to flip at a tribe swap.

[01:03:28] Yeah. Well, this is another thing.

[01:03:31] It's like, will he get to a tribe swap?

[01:03:33] So another conversation that I was having on Twitter was

[01:03:36] should they even have Nathan as a backup?

[01:03:38] Because if you played the idol and Nathan goes. Mm hmm.

[01:03:42] They may not win one more challenge.

[01:03:44] Like they're already in a bad space.

[01:03:46] Right. This is tribal council number two.

[01:03:48] Like, how do you feel about Nathan as the target for the backup?

[01:03:52] Yeah, I think it's fine.

[01:03:53] I mean, these challenges have been like a pretty close,

[01:03:58] you know, I feel like that's maybe in the reward challenges.

[01:04:02] He's more valuable than in some of these like team challenges.

[01:04:08] So I think it's pretty helpful.

[01:04:09] He throws well and strong. Yeah. But they need him.

[01:04:13] Yeah, I guess they need him.

[01:04:14] But where else would you put it?

[01:04:16] I wouldn't. Yeah, no, I mean, I would I would vote for Nathan

[01:04:19] because when I like at least I don't know where when it sits,

[01:04:22] but it's above Nathan, Nathan already should be more pissed off that like

[01:04:25] not only was he blindsided like winner and Jaden were,

[01:04:27] but like that was like a really a shot against Nathan, which is what made it funny.

[01:04:32] I would do Nathan because I would not vote Nathan out now over Jess.

[01:04:35] Even if Jess was less chaotic than she is,

[01:04:38] I still think she's a better shot than Nathan from a physical standpoint

[01:04:41] because it's episode two.

[01:04:43] I would target Nathan in the future.

[01:04:45] Like now that they're getting to like an episode four

[01:04:48] or if they can win a couple of challenges,

[01:04:49] like definitely I would target Nathan getting closer to a swap

[01:04:52] where you can afford to lose some immunity challenges

[01:04:54] and still have that fodder of like a Jaden and a winner.

[01:04:57] But so I wouldn't target him in episode two from a physical standpoint,

[01:05:01] but to have him as a backup, but she has to have and play an idol.

[01:05:05] And then at least it saves Eden.

[01:05:06] And then at that point, physically, yes, you're under the pump,

[01:05:09] but you might get lucky. There might be twists.

[01:05:11] You could win whatever challenges possibly out of, as we're saying,

[01:05:14] like circumstance and some degree of luck.

[01:05:16] And the challenge is being hopefully a bit varied.

[01:05:19] So I still think they have outs.

[01:05:21] Like for me, it was fine as a backup option

[01:05:24] in a very unlikely scenario that he goes,

[01:05:26] but I wouldn't have ever made him the primary, which they didn't.

[01:05:28] So I thought this was actually mostly fine.

[01:05:31] Like my only note is that I would just have done one,

[01:05:33] just his own vote on Nathan.

[01:05:35] I was just worried that Eden was going to play himself out of the Alliance.

[01:05:38] Like I was really worried about that because, you know,

[01:05:41] Eden is working with, you know, that we get to see,

[01:05:45] you know, a lot of Mark, a little bit of Charles.

[01:05:48] Those guys seem just like they're so calm and so measured.

[01:05:51] And then Eden has literally like gotten people out of prison.

[01:05:55] He's like, you know, like, right.

[01:05:59] Both I feel like both these guys seem like that they're kind of like

[01:06:03] like ice water in their veins type guys.

[01:06:07] And then Eden is like so frenetic.

[01:06:09] And I was just worried that because I really like this alliance,

[01:06:13] I was worried that he was going to screw things up.

[01:06:16] Luckily, he came away unscathed.

[01:06:18] Yeah, because he and Mark work really well together in that first episode

[01:06:21] where we've kind of see Eden put out this kind of broad idea,

[01:06:24] which like someone like Jess will claim.

[01:06:25] But I really felt in both the Peter and the Frankie votes

[01:06:28] like it's kind of obvious anyway.

[01:06:30] Like, I don't know that anyone can claim

[01:06:31] like a clearly good idea for everyone.

[01:06:33] Like that to me just feels like like someone needs to say it,

[01:06:36] but it's so apparent.

[01:06:39] That I can't give it that much credit.

[01:06:41] It's not like a like a oh, my God, who would have thought of that idea?

[01:06:44] So obvious.

[01:06:45] But and then we see like Mark give the name.

[01:06:46] So they work really well together.

[01:06:47] I think the connection that might like might have helped Eden

[01:06:51] in this freak out and clearly he's fine is that Mark

[01:06:53] and like a Caroline are super fans.

[01:06:57] So like I think they might get like, OK, you just love this game so much.

[01:07:00] So you're so excited to be here.

[01:07:02] And it's like that's what's scary in this episode two.

[01:07:06] Like, don't do that again.

[01:07:07] But now you've got it out of your system.

[01:07:09] Like my brother was saying, he's like, even will be better for this.

[01:07:11] He's had it. He's got through it.

[01:07:12] He wasn't an actual danger.

[01:07:14] We got through it in a pretty safe environment, like getting it out.

[01:07:17] And now hopefully he's like not like hopefully that's not him every time.

[01:07:22] But I think that having had the experience

[01:07:25] maybe just like fortifies him for the future.

[01:07:27] And we could help.

[01:07:29] Yeah, so that's that's Eden.

[01:07:30] I thought, yeah, he was great, especially

[01:07:33] with what we see in the first episode with where he and Mark are positioned

[01:07:36] in the seven. So I did want to talk about Jess.

[01:07:38] Yeah, because I thought like Jess was like I thought Jess was competing

[01:07:41] with Nathan and then later the rebels, Peter, for like just trying to be

[01:07:47] just so bad a survivor.

[01:07:49] I thought Jess was like so bad.

[01:07:52] I don't even there was one part where like she's going home.

[01:07:56] And she doesn't know this, but like she's the other name, her and Frankie.

[01:08:00] And then like she comes up to Mark and Eden and they're like, yeah, no,

[01:08:04] we're open. And she's like, well, that doesn't sell me.

[01:08:06] I'm like, sell you. Yeah.

[01:08:08] You're going. She's running the tribe.

[01:08:11] It was so delusional.

[01:08:13] And she in her ex interview, I thought that she like she did talk about

[01:08:17] the issues which were the earlier issues that she said that she wasn't

[01:08:20] connecting with people, those social issues.

[01:08:22] Like if that's true, then how do you think you're now running the tribe?

[01:08:24] Like you've vocalized to us verbalize the fact that you're not

[01:08:28] connecting with people.

[01:08:29] How do you think the next day you're controlling the vote?

[01:08:32] Frankie went home, Shannon.

[01:08:34] She's like, hey, I just say a name.

[01:08:37] It's as easy as that name.

[01:08:39] Everyone wants.

[01:08:41] Yeah. How could you possibly think that you're in a position

[01:08:42] to lecture the tribe?

[01:08:44] Yeah. I know she's a lecturer.

[01:08:45] I get it. But like, how can you how can you possibly think

[01:08:50] that you have no connections and you're running the game?

[01:08:52] Like anyway, it just is.

[01:08:55] I think that really jammed the sensors when she ends up getting Frankie out

[01:09:00] based off of like her just like sheer will in her mind.

[01:09:04] And so I think that really threw off like she's like, wow, I've got

[01:09:09] lightning shooting out of my fingers.

[01:09:11] I'm running this game.

[01:09:12] And then I think maybe you got a little overconfident by vote number two.

[01:09:16] Yeah, like I I do think, OK, she's going to suggest any name in vote number two.

[01:09:22] I think maybe winner who's the least strong of those three guys.

[01:09:25] And you pitch it like I will be so loyal to you.

[01:09:27] Like I am here with you forever.

[01:09:28] We don't know where winner sits.

[01:09:30] He was with them.

[01:09:31] He's close to Jada.

[01:09:32] Like I'm not a threat to you.

[01:09:33] We will have Jada to Nathan.

[01:09:34] We'll have that strength.

[01:09:35] We don't need winner.

[01:09:36] That's the name I'd be pitching.

[01:09:37] And I don't know that it would have saved her.

[01:09:39] But like, yeah, what she does is like she actively votes herself out

[01:09:42] when she a couple of a couple of things she did.

[01:09:45] So we actually see Nathan give Eden first.

[01:09:48] Not sure if that is, you know, we could have cut out part of the conversation.

[01:09:53] I try to be really like obviously wary of like the editing.

[01:09:56] But that's what we see.

[01:09:57] She could have done it.

[01:09:57] Whatever. She goes to the well and she's like the name I floated is Eden.

[01:10:02] Why?

[01:10:02] Yeah, whether you did or not, it's so easy to be like Nathan's thinking

[01:10:06] Eden and just see how they feel without incriminating like yourself.

[01:10:10] She was so desperate for credit.

[01:10:12] I'm like, I don't you don't get more money based on if you can claim the moves more.

[01:10:17] Like I don't understand that.

[01:10:20] A couple of the things that I mentioned on Talking Tribal.

[01:10:23] Yeah, to go to like Mark with Eden.

[01:10:26] I was like, wow, Mark Eden must be really hidden.

[01:10:28] But then from what we understand the day before she'd gone to

[01:10:30] or a couple of days before she'd gone to Nathan with Frankie.

[01:10:33] So I was like, maybe that's a very low bar.

[01:10:35] She doesn't seem to know where people like she says to Caroline and Kitty.

[01:10:39] I know you really like Eden.

[01:10:41] I'm like, well, then why are you throwing his name out?

[01:10:42] Like you literally just listen to yourself.

[01:10:45] And then says to someone like Charles, he's such a fan.

[01:10:48] So he's a threat.

[01:10:50] Charles is a fan.

[01:10:51] Listen to yourself.

[01:10:52] I can't with these people.

[01:10:53] Anyway, I just felt like there was so much going on.

[01:10:55] That was so bad.

[01:10:56] And it was, oh my God.

[01:10:57] But anyway, it was a very this is what I said on Talking Tribal.

[01:11:00] Earned losses across the board like they all like none of that was bad luck.

[01:11:04] Like all of them have things they have to wear.

[01:11:06] Truly.

[01:11:07] OK. Oh, I had her getting a lot of chizzy points.

[01:11:09] I'm going to have to discount for lectures.

[01:11:13] That was what is Jessica's.

[01:11:16] I know she is a university lecturer.

[01:11:19] What is she a Titan of?

[01:11:22] That Titan Titan of University lecturing.

[01:11:25] Yeah, she's a woman in STEM.

[01:11:27] Yes, which I love.

[01:11:28] I wanted to love it.

[01:11:30] She I wanted her to be like my Haley pick.

[01:11:32] But then I read her bio, Rob and her bio.

[01:11:34] She's like, I don't feel empathy for other people.

[01:11:37] And Mike and I were like, that's not good.

[01:11:39] Yeah, we were concerned.

[01:11:41] And those concerns, I think, played out almost worse than expected.

[01:11:45] Like I truly don't see how it could have gone that much worse.

[01:11:49] So that was Jess.

[01:11:50] Who else is that was we've got Eden.

[01:11:52] Who else? What about this?

[01:11:53] The rest of the seven.

[01:11:54] I mean, how do you see the makeup of the seven?

[01:11:56] We've got the middle age, middle age mafia.

[01:11:59] Yeah, I just I come back to the duo and what I'm trying to remember,

[01:12:06] how did they describe herself?

[01:12:07] That that they were so were they soulmates of Valeria and Viola?

[01:12:13] Yeah, I think that they're so they're so fun.

[01:12:16] Like Valeria, I think, has been much different than I expected

[01:12:21] when she came out and is like, yeah, I'm a you know,

[01:12:25] a Titan of like a Russian model.

[01:12:27] But then she seems like like kind of down to earth.

[01:12:31] She doesn't seem like stuck up or anything like that.

[01:12:34] Maybe I stereotype what like models are going to be like.

[01:12:39] Maybe, you know, that comes from my own lived experience

[01:12:43] and survivor and being going through this.

[01:12:48] But Viola also is, you know, my grandpa.

[01:12:52] Yeah, she's she's really good, too.

[01:12:54] But I just feel like that that duo,

[01:12:56] I just still feel like that they have so many options.

[01:13:00] I feel like I see Mark and Eden in the center.

[01:13:04] I feel like they're the middle age mafia.

[01:13:05] I feel like they seem to have the V's.

[01:13:07] Yes. And I kind of even see them as like a three with Charles.

[01:13:09] Like I see them as like the I see everyone else kind of, you know,

[01:13:13] made around them.

[01:13:15] So but I still think it's great.

[01:13:17] Like, I think this whole seven, like, I truly just hope that they like

[01:13:20] stick it to the end.

[01:13:21] Like, I like the seven a lot.

[01:13:23] Like, let's have a begonging.

[01:13:24] Kitty and Caroline need an alliance name.

[01:13:28] Because the what?

[01:13:31] The V's and the cuz Kitty and Caroline, it's not the case

[01:13:34] because it's a case.

[01:13:35] It's a case sound.

[01:13:36] The case sounds better than the middle age mafia.

[01:13:40] Yeah, case sounds isn't making me want to cry.

[01:13:43] Mm hmm. Yeah.

[01:13:44] She's now my barometer of how much I like alliance.

[01:13:47] OK, it's not good.

[01:13:49] Do better. Yeah.

[01:13:51] They should come up with an alliance name.

[01:13:54] Yeah, they probably have one.

[01:13:55] I don't think we hear enough from them to know it.

[01:13:57] There's a whole cutting room floor thing about their alliance name.

[01:13:59] We're just never going to get it, unfortunately.

[01:14:01] But so that's the way it's pretty good.

[01:14:04] It's good. It's sad.

[01:14:06] It's funny. Mm hmm.

[01:14:07] But it's just I just yeah, I just can't deal with it right now.

[01:14:12] Not in February, not my birthday month.

[01:14:14] OK, it's February for me.

[01:14:16] Yeah. But as of today.

[01:14:19] No, I thought it was I just I love this whole

[01:14:22] loving the dynamic of this tribe.

[01:14:24] I truly felt like with Nathan, firstly,

[01:14:29] the fact that it started so early, it's like he got fire.

[01:14:31] I'm like, oh, he's really going to be the golden boy,

[01:14:33] because that's why I saw him preseason.

[01:14:34] I thought he was going to be like a really like my thought.

[01:14:36] He was going to be like a villain.

[01:14:38] And I was like, I don't know.

[01:14:39] I feel like he's going to be like a Sean Hampson type leader,

[01:14:43] just like perfect kind of guy.

[01:14:45] And then he got the fire and I was like, this is it.

[01:14:47] Golden boy. Golden boy.

[01:14:51] Yeah, that's how I saw it.

[01:14:52] And then he like immediately he gave them the fire

[01:14:54] and they're like, we're not ready for the fire.

[01:14:56] And then that's like why they lost the challenge.

[01:14:58] And they played out in the episode where I'm like, oh,

[01:14:59] he's going to have power.

[01:15:00] And then he like devolved so quickly that I was like,

[01:15:03] that was a really good analogy for how this whole

[01:15:06] this whole thing went for him, which I loved.

[01:15:09] Yeah, he's been a very fun character to have on this tribe.

[01:15:13] And you know what I really loved?

[01:15:14] You know what made me laugh?

[01:15:15] What? Was when he voted for Jess and he's like,

[01:15:18] this is revenge for Frankie.

[01:15:19] I'm like, firstly, Jess didn't do that.

[01:15:23] Yes. Secondly, you aren't doing this.

[01:15:27] Like you are in a unanimous vote where you're the other side of the split.

[01:15:31] This isn't revenge.

[01:15:32] You're not doing anything.

[01:15:33] You're not helping.

[01:15:34] Like the best case scenario would have been to work with Jess.

[01:15:36] Like it wouldn't have been possible.

[01:15:37] But it's fine. Come on.

[01:15:39] No, no, it's funny.

[01:15:40] It's so funny because it's like he's still there,

[01:15:43] but he actually lost both votes.

[01:15:45] Like, does he even know how badly this?

[01:15:46] I don't think so.

[01:15:48] He lost the Jess vote, technically, like in so many ways.

[01:15:50] He lost. He was a split.

[01:15:52] He doesn't know where he's at.

[01:15:53] Lost the Frankie vote.

[01:15:54] Like, I hope that he never goes and that people just kept

[01:15:57] keep getting blindsided around him.

[01:15:59] And I want to see that face every tribal council.

[01:16:02] Like I'm I love it.

[01:16:04] Australian Drew Christie.

[01:16:05] This is our time.

[01:16:06] This is our this is our.

[01:16:09] So that's Nathan.

[01:16:10] We're doing it a little bit more about the rebels.

[01:16:13] Rebels. My people.

[01:16:16] Yes. Yes.

[01:16:17] We didn't talk about Charles and winner, actually.

[01:16:19] Those are the two. Maybe we should actually.

[01:16:21] Yeah, I mean, Charles, I don't know how much there is to talk about.

[01:16:23] He's been he was, you know, very quiet in these episodes.

[01:16:27] I feel like that he seems like a super sharp guy.

[01:16:32] Maybe there's like seems like kind of just like a, you know,

[01:16:36] solid ally for Mark.

[01:16:37] But we didn't really get too much of his feelings on the game.

[01:16:42] We didn't. We do see that he is included by Nathan

[01:16:45] in this alliance of the hierarchy.

[01:16:48] And so was Eden.

[01:16:49] So I feel like they made like quite an active choice in a way that Mark was

[01:16:52] like definitely on the bottom with with Frankie and Nathan.

[01:16:56] And I know that Frankie and Nathan had different priorities.

[01:16:58] But like for Mark, like, obviously you flip it.

[01:17:00] But for them, if they're being included by Nathan and like the V's

[01:17:02] kind of being included by Frankie from what I hear in the exits,

[01:17:05] they're making more of that decision.

[01:17:06] And I think it was, again, like a really good decision

[01:17:08] for all of them to like create that culture.

[01:17:10] So I think they're making like kind of more of a very active choice there,

[01:17:13] which I thought was good.

[01:17:14] And I also thought, at first, I'm like, what about Jess?

[01:17:18] And he's like, yeah.

[01:17:19] And then they're like, do you think so?

[01:17:21] And then we see him in the next scene.

[01:17:22] He's like, you know, those three like I feel like he picked up on it pretty well.

[01:17:25] It was like the one thing we got.

[01:17:26] And then when people had questions about like how he got on that side of the split.

[01:17:31] I don't know.

[01:17:33] Like, I don't know how he voted for Nathan.

[01:17:34] I truly am confused.

[01:17:36] It speaks. Who brought him in?

[01:17:39] Someone must have brought him in. So that's good.

[01:17:41] Like Jess thinks that he was helping her.

[01:17:43] And yeah, well, the votes ended up being like the only vote for Eden

[01:17:48] ended up being Jessica's. Right.

[01:17:50] So everybody ends up getting on board.

[01:17:52] So I don't know.

[01:17:52] Maybe if it's like the V's end up bringing them in like.

[01:17:57] But like, you know, I think that maybe in the spirit of tribe harmony,

[01:18:01] like maybe somebody like a mark is like telling everybody what's going on.

[01:18:04] So nobody ends up feeling blindsided.

[01:18:08] So I mean, it makes sense.

[01:18:10] I mean, the issue is bringing in someone like winner who's like

[01:18:13] aligned with a Nathan and a Jaden is now you're like, it ruins.

[01:18:18] You're well, I mean, not necessarily because I guess if Jess is playing the idol.

[01:18:21] Yeah, but he's going to play it.

[01:18:22] The idea is that like, like, can you believe what she did to Frankie?

[01:18:27] Like, I think that you could drive that wedge of like, come on.

[01:18:31] Let's do this for Frankie.

[01:18:32] Let's take out Jess.

[01:18:34] Like, we're not going with her stupid plan.

[01:18:36] There was clearly no issue

[01:18:38] like in working with the guys, like they're very much on board.

[01:18:41] Like Eden's never in trouble in that.

[01:18:43] But if you go to winner and upset him in being like you

[01:18:48] you're on the splitting on Nathan and made you want to be on the Nathan side of the split.

[01:18:51] Like you might be bringing him in, but you might might also lead him,

[01:18:54] which I don't think when is that type of player?

[01:18:55] And maybe they're clearly reading that correctly.

[01:18:57] But like, what if you go to him and you're like, we're splitting on Nathan.

[01:19:00] And that drives him to be like, we're very much at the bottom.

[01:19:02] Maybe we work with Jess.

[01:19:03] And if one of them has an idol, now you're not splitting because it's seven four

[01:19:08] and you do something.

[01:19:09] I mean, it's still it feels like I don't know.

[01:19:13] Eden was trying to be, I guess, risk averse.

[01:19:15] But like telling winner feels like you don't need him on the split.

[01:19:18] There's no real reason to do it.

[01:19:20] But I guess that the good thing that he was brought in on something like winner

[01:19:23] is so vague for someone who has an idol.

[01:19:28] He was he was not included in Nathan's original group of six,

[01:19:31] but who clearly is close with Jaden and Nathan and Frankie said as well.

[01:19:35] So I don't know.

[01:19:38] But I do know that he said that all he cares about is Jaden.

[01:19:40] And did you know that they knew each other preseason?

[01:19:43] No, I found that in my preseason stalking.

[01:19:47] They were in a tick tock together last May.

[01:19:49] And I was really happy about that tea and that investigative journalism.

[01:19:52] And then it immediately played out.

[01:19:54] Rob, this is why this is my this is why I do the work for you.

[01:19:57] Yeah, you do great work.

[01:19:59] Winner and Jaden know each other.

[01:20:01] They were in a tick tock together three months.

[01:20:03] What was the tick tock about?

[01:20:05] It was one of the prank video as a prank video boy.

[01:20:10] Yeah, I think maybe I am middle age because those tick tock prank videos are not for me.

[01:20:14] But yeah, and it was like he was like getting up in Jaden's face

[01:20:18] and then like Jaden pushed him.

[01:20:19] They're both tick tockers.

[01:20:21] So it's like a tick tock alliance.

[01:20:22] Maybe I am old.

[01:20:24] I would be in the middle age alliance.

[01:20:26] Yeah, I'm not a tick tock alliance.

[01:20:28] No, no.

[01:20:30] If those are the options, then I would have to, unfortunately,

[01:20:34] go to the middle age to lions.

[01:20:35] One of us.

[01:20:37] One of us.

[01:20:38] Dying, dying.

[01:20:40] Yeah.

[01:20:42] OK, yeah, so I don't I mean, I think

[01:20:46] it's impossible for us to know where it is.

[01:20:49] Truly, I want to give you guys more.

[01:20:50] I don't have like it.

[01:20:51] I don't have any insight on this.

[01:20:54] OK, he has an idol now.

[01:20:57] He has an idol.

[01:20:58] What's he going to do with it?

[01:21:01] I don't know.

[01:21:01] But yes, why would they include him on that split when they don't need to?

[01:21:07] How much did they trust him correctly to know that he?

[01:21:10] How much was he?

[01:21:11] How did he find that out?

[01:21:12] Truly something I hope we get to at a point.

[01:21:15] OK, so rebels.

[01:21:16] Yeah, let's talk about them.

[01:21:18] All right. Well, let's talk about Peter. Yeah.

[01:21:23] Who in the same spot as Frankie,

[01:21:25] I think made similar mistakes of being in a minority with anti shields.

[01:21:30] Because you ask, like, why would Kirby get rid of Peter,

[01:21:32] who seemed like her connection?

[01:21:35] So I feel like where they can't go rid of Alex and Tobias

[01:21:38] from a physical standpoint, like they can't.

[01:21:40] I mean, they could afford to more because they're a better tribe

[01:21:44] and they're a little way down the road.

[01:21:46] Yeah. But like, yes, Peter Kirby's connection.

[01:21:48] Did you see that conversation?

[01:21:49] I felt like this was, again, such bad language saying,

[01:21:54] come into the majority with us.

[01:21:55] I'm like, but it's not a majority without Kirby, actually.

[01:21:57] And Kirby and Rihanna, even then, it's just a six.

[01:22:00] Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty entitled.

[01:22:03] And also making her feel super valued, like, come into the majority.

[01:22:06] And then I think she also was like, I want to keep you.

[01:22:09] It's like, yeah, maybe we try.

[01:22:11] Let's work together. She's sort of like,

[01:22:12] you see what we got going on up there, right?

[01:22:14] You see this group.

[01:22:15] We want to bring you in.

[01:22:17] Yeah, you want to be you want to come sit at our table?

[01:22:21] The only thing she was missing was like, so it will be like me.

[01:22:24] Alex to buy a Sarah Rihanna.

[01:22:27] You. Yeah. You know, but you need it.

[01:22:30] But you need somebody to cuddle with.

[01:22:33] This is the cut, the cuddle group.

[01:22:35] She didn't have a cuddler. Mm hmm. Yeah.

[01:22:38] Yeah. I was like, is anyone ever pitched to anyone?

[01:22:41] Why is everyone so bad at this this week?

[01:22:43] Like, I've never seen worth pitching in my lifetime.

[01:22:45] I mean, they like hit it off in pairs.

[01:22:49] Yeah, it was it was not good.

[01:22:51] I also felt with the cuddle crew so.

[01:22:55] They throw the challenge.

[01:22:57] Yeah. Did you like this?

[01:23:01] So, yeah, the issue was that they needed more room in the shelter

[01:23:05] or they need all that room for.

[01:23:07] And Alex is a girlfriend.

[01:23:11] Hey. This stuff happens, Shannon.

[01:23:15] I'm middle aged. Yeah, I don't.

[01:23:17] I'm not with what the kids are. Yeah.

[01:23:20] But like with with the the cuddler group,

[01:23:24] like when Ferris is like talking about like

[01:23:26] what goes on and why he doesn't he doesn't sleep

[01:23:30] because of the cuddlers.

[01:23:31] Like it was giving a little bit of like siree micronesia

[01:23:34] of like talking about like Ozzy and Amanda and James and Parvety and the Ozzlets.

[01:23:41] Yeah, it was.

[01:23:43] I mean, it's just like such basic mistakes.

[01:23:45] I'm like Peter, who's a fan.

[01:23:46] Like, I know she's seen that season.

[01:23:48] You know, she's seen multiple seasons.

[01:23:49] Like you have to wonder how they could do that.

[01:23:50] And then to throw the challenge, it was so arrogant.

[01:23:55] It was so like because they are clashing with Kelly and Raymond.

[01:23:59] So I guess they don't feel like that's like a long term relationship they can have.

[01:24:02] But like the odds of you losing a challenge anyway are pretty high.

[01:24:06] Like you're not going to win every challenge.

[01:24:09] And no one ever wins every challenge.

[01:24:11] You'll probably lose a couple, even like the you know, you're the rebel.

[01:24:14] They meant to be the Titans, even like the bronze lost, even the

[01:24:18] you know, the champions, actually, there have been a couple of champion

[01:24:20] strives now that have not done super well.

[01:24:23] Even the hero who was so strong, less a couple of challenges.

[01:24:26] You never know if it's going to be like a twist and you don't have a majority.

[01:24:32] How could you? And you did it so obviously.

[01:24:34] Yeah. What in what universe would anyone think that this was a good idea?

[01:24:39] It was some of the worst gameplay.

[01:24:41] I think I sometimes you don't show them when you're in love.

[01:24:44] You don't make the best decisions, really.

[01:24:46] But Alex, I was a girlfriend.

[01:24:48] OK, well, we can just move on.

[01:24:50] You're so stuck on that.

[01:24:52] Yeah, I am actually, because I was confused about what was going on with that.

[01:24:58] I don't know.

[01:24:59] They're just like Barbie and Ken.

[01:25:02] Yeah. You know when this was filmed?

[01:25:04] Um, last year?

[01:25:07] Yeah, like in the middle of last year, like right during that era era.

[01:25:11] Yeah. Then I was going to like I'm like, if they're the Barbie Alliance

[01:25:14] and the underdog should be the Oppenheimer Alliance because they just blew me up.

[01:25:18] And then I thought that that was insensitive.

[01:25:19] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I feel like that this is

[01:25:22] Titans versus Rebels is a little bit giving Oppenheimer.

[01:25:25] I mean, I feel like that the Titans tribe, that's kind of like the Oppenheimer.

[01:25:29] And then the Rebels, they really do have like the pink Barbie color buff down.

[01:25:35] Can you imagine if they announced it was like Australian survivor Oppenheimer versus Barbie?

[01:25:39] And yeah, that was like months after the whole, you know, phenomenon.

[01:25:45] So people would be like, we're kind of done, I think.

[01:25:46] I mean, and then especially given all the Barbie stuff that happened

[01:25:49] in the last week, I feel like that would have aged really terribly.

[01:25:52] You know, because Hillary Clinton ruined Barbie.

[01:25:53] I don't know if you saw this.

[01:25:55] It's my favorite. She ruined Barbie.

[01:25:57] She did. She did. She literally did.

[01:25:59] The tweet about Bobby was so bad that I saw people say

[01:26:01] they now hate Bobby and love Trump. Crazy how far that went.

[01:26:05] Yeah, I feel like Sarah could be firefighter Barbie.

[01:26:10] Yeah, no, she could.

[01:26:11] And Peter's tattoo Bobby.

[01:26:13] Come on, Bobby, she said. Yeah.

[01:26:14] What Barbie is Kelly? Kelly?

[01:26:18] Yeah, she's Kate McKinnon.

[01:26:19] Yeah, I didn't want to say that.

[01:26:22] She literally she literally is, though.

[01:26:24] I would love to see Kate McKinnon say on Kelly.

[01:26:26] We probably will never get that unless the season does very well.

[01:26:30] But OK, and then what do we have?

[01:26:33] Eileen's like. Nerdy Bobby.

[01:26:36] Is there a nerdy Bobby?

[01:26:37] Where's the representation?

[01:26:39] Yeah, I don't think they marketed nerdy Barbie.

[01:26:42] Smart Bobby.

[01:26:44] Yeah, Kirby's 40.

[01:26:46] Well, Raymond, I feel like, is giving like the.

[01:26:53] The what the mojo dojo Casa house look.

[01:26:57] Yeah, there's a there's a lot of mojo dojo Casa house

[01:27:00] happening at the moment across the tribes, I think.

[01:27:05] So, yeah, but I just like I feel like Bobby's done enough.

[01:27:11] OK, but I hope we do get an Oppenheimer alliance.

[01:27:14] Eden, where are you like?

[01:27:16] What is your job?

[01:27:19] All of your alliances should be named on movies.

[01:27:22] They should have been the Oppenheimer Alliance.

[01:27:23] And then imagine if we had that that would have been crazy.

[01:27:25] Yeah, it'd be huge.

[01:27:26] The synergy.

[01:27:27] So, yeah, well, we're talking about the rebels and then the cuddlers.

[01:27:32] Yeah.

[01:27:33] And then one thing that I love that they did not love like like loved ironically,

[01:27:38] like I'm laughing at you was so they split the vote.

[01:27:42] Now they have the idol.

[01:27:43] And Peter is the one who suggests this.

[01:27:45] Now they could be two idols.

[01:27:48] I guess we've seen this before.

[01:27:51] So they could be only third tribal council.

[01:27:53] It's unlikely.

[01:27:55] But anyway, you want to not make it seem like you have an idol.

[01:27:57] We're going to split the vote.

[01:27:59] Even if you needed to split the vote, like one vote again,

[01:28:02] maybe two votes on Raymond and Kelly.

[01:28:04] Why did they split their six?

[01:28:06] They split like you put maybe two votes like Eileen and spot.

[01:28:10] You're the purple people.

[01:28:11] You're the splitters.

[01:28:13] You put two votes.

[01:28:14] You put two votes on Raymond and said they split their six.

[01:28:16] Even if they think they have a six, which they don't,

[01:28:18] wouldn't they think the other six might take that as an opportunity

[01:28:21] to come over the top, which is what they now think happened.

[01:28:25] Yeah.

[01:28:25] But I just don't think they're thinking like that.

[01:28:28] I think that they feel you don't have to say like that.

[01:28:32] I think that they are under the impression.

[01:28:34] And again, this is what happens that they sort of like have their own little group.

[01:28:38] They are only just talking to each other.

[01:28:39] It's like, oh, everybody hates Kelly, right?

[01:28:41] Yeah. Oh my God.

[01:28:42] Everybody hates Kelly.

[01:28:43] Everybody hates Raymond.

[01:28:44] All right. Back to the cuddle pile.

[01:28:46] That's actually not that show.

[01:28:50] Everybody loves Raymond.

[01:28:51] They got it.

[01:28:52] Yeah.

[01:28:52] Yeah.

[01:28:53] Well, so they think that everyone just hates them so much that

[01:28:57] I think they think everybody hates Kelly more.

[01:29:01] They think that they have a six and they want to vote out Kelly

[01:29:04] and they have other really intelligent middle people who again,

[01:29:07] let's think about it.

[01:29:07] Are playing their own game.

[01:29:08] Now they're not side characters in your journey.

[01:29:10] I think that's important.

[01:29:12] They are people with their own minds and agency.

[01:29:13] I think once we start realizing that, maybe we start considering that

[01:29:17] wouldn't Eileen, a Scott, a Ferris, a Garak, all smart people be like,

[01:29:21] Oh my God, I can't stand Kelly so much that I'm willing to put myself

[01:29:25] at the bottom of this like very transparent crew.

[01:29:27] Like they think they have a six and it's even like

[01:29:30] more obvious than that.

[01:29:31] That other six would do that without even like, you know,

[01:29:35] because then that would be their numbers to do it.

[01:29:37] That would be like the prime opportunity to like

[01:29:39] take advantage of a situation.

[01:29:41] So even in thinking they have a six and they don't have it

[01:29:44] even on that split, they really put themselves in some danger

[01:29:47] while having the idol.

[01:29:49] When Peter suggested it, I just don't know, Rob.

[01:29:52] I just don't know.

[01:29:53] I just like, there's a lot of good gameplay this week

[01:29:56] and there's a lot of really, really, really, really, really bad.

[01:29:59] I mean, I just think that what happens is that, you know,

[01:30:01] probably like day one, day two, there's a consensus.

[01:30:05] All right.

[01:30:05] If we go to tribal Kelly's the first one to go, right?

[01:30:07] Right. Right.

[01:30:08] Yeah.

[01:30:08] Okay.

[01:30:08] Great.

[01:30:09] That's the plan.

[01:30:10] And then they end up like falling in love and they're sort of

[01:30:12] like in like shmoopy territory.

[01:30:15] You're a shmoopy.

[01:30:16] You're a shmoopy.

[01:30:17] Yeah.

[01:30:19] You're Ken.

[01:30:20] I'm Barbie.

[01:30:20] Yeah.

[01:30:21] You're Ken.

[01:30:21] I'm Barbie.

[01:30:22] You know, like, and they're just like, you know,

[01:30:26] spending all their time with each other in the cuddle pile

[01:30:29] and like, you know, on this double date.

[01:30:32] And they're just like, everybody still hates Kelly.

[01:30:33] Right.

[01:30:34] Right.

[01:30:34] We're still Kelly.

[01:30:35] Right.

[01:30:35] I'm in there.

[01:30:36] Thumbs down.

[01:30:36] Right.

[01:30:36] Right.

[01:30:37] Right.

[01:30:38] And I think they're just feeling like, okay,

[01:30:39] the whole tribe is going with that.

[01:30:41] It's funny that I'm like, Bobby's kind of done,

[01:30:44] but then this entire podcast has me being like,

[01:30:47] do you guys ever think about dying?

[01:30:49] You know, that famous line from Bobby.

[01:30:50] Yes.

[01:30:51] Yeah.

[01:30:51] You saw Bobby multiple times.

[01:30:53] That wasn't that long ago.

[01:30:54] You didn't.

[01:30:54] You saw multiple times.

[01:30:56] Yes.

[01:30:56] Why?

[01:30:57] I watched it at the, I went to the movie.

[01:31:00] Yeah.

[01:31:00] And then I went to my wife.

[01:31:02] I hadn't seen it.

[01:31:03] So I thought, why didn't she see with you originally?

[01:31:05] Because I went for Rob and Akiva Nita podcast

[01:31:08] and she protests anything having to do with that.

[01:31:13] So you thought twice.

[01:31:14] Yes.

[01:31:15] That's wild.

[01:31:15] How many times did you see Oppenheimer?

[01:31:17] Zero.

[01:31:19] You didn't do the double.

[01:31:20] You didn't double body, but you didn't do Oppenheimer.

[01:31:22] Akiva went to go see Oppenheimer.

[01:31:24] I know.

[01:31:24] I understand the premise.

[01:31:25] I just, you know, I, you know how I watched Oppenheimer.

[01:31:28] How?

[01:31:29] With a bunch of pink balloons clearly that had,

[01:31:32] you know, wafted over from another theater bobbing.

[01:31:34] And I was like, this is so specific to this month.

[01:31:36] Yes.

[01:31:37] Like no one would ever understand this ever again.

[01:31:40] Yeah.

[01:31:41] So yeah, you're right.

[01:31:43] They just think like, okay, we're going to get rid of Kelly.

[01:31:44] We're going to get a Raymond.

[01:31:45] And then at that point, we almost do have a majority.

[01:31:47] Math wise.

[01:31:48] So then at that point, all four.

[01:31:51] Yeah.

[01:31:52] And the other people who aren't in love.

[01:31:53] I mean, you see this in Big Brother,

[01:31:55] probably more than on Survivor where it's like,

[01:31:57] okay, oh, we're in a show, man.

[01:31:58] It's like, let's just hang out.

[01:31:59] Like we're, we're, we're just going to like,

[01:32:02] you know, talk to the other showmans.

[01:32:04] And then the other people in the house end up

[01:32:06] like figuring it out and like flipping the whole thing

[01:32:09] on the popular people.

[01:32:11] So to have it happen here, like, I mean, that's where it comes from.

[01:32:16] I imagine them just like looking lovingly into each other's eyes

[01:32:18] and then it like pans out on the rest of the tribe.

[01:32:20] It just like looking at like, I don't like this.

[01:32:24] I also went playing.

[01:32:25] I just don't think that anyone considered the wants and needs of anyone.

[01:32:29] Like you would truly think that if you have a six and you're splitting that

[01:32:33] and they can see that you don't know that you've been

[01:32:35] that transparent, I guess that must be it.

[01:32:37] But then the other six would be like,

[01:32:39] this is a perfect opportunity.

[01:32:40] We'll use Kelly.

[01:32:41] How often do people use someone like Kelly?

[01:32:43] That happens all the time.

[01:32:45] So it was just so many questions.

[01:32:47] So you, so you want to talk about Kirby like an hour ago

[01:32:50] and I have it in my notes.

[01:32:51] We have to get back to Kirby, her move, her decoy votes.

[01:32:55] But I think the thing is that I,

[01:32:56] where I feel like it could be an overplay in that,

[01:33:00] does she even need to do this?

[01:33:02] No, I hate it.

[01:33:03] It's like that these people are so snowed.

[01:33:07] I mean, that she does not need to maintain like deep undercover

[01:33:12] to continue to dupe Alex Tobias and Sarah.

[01:33:19] Yeah, I feel like she'll come back and be like Tobias.

[01:33:21] I was with you.

[01:33:22] It was a split.

[01:33:22] And then we didn't he'd be like, what?

[01:33:25] Like Tobias would be like, what was it?

[01:33:28] Like I don't you voted with us.

[01:33:29] I didn't.

[01:33:29] I wasn't.

[01:33:30] Where's Sarah?

[01:33:32] So yeah, I don't know.

[01:33:34] Well, there's a few things I really wanted to like it

[01:33:36] because I like Kirby a lot and Kirby.

[01:33:39] I feel like Kirby is like the Eden in this tribe.

[01:33:41] Like she was between groups and then Mark is like the Ferris.

[01:33:45] Like he's kind of leading.

[01:33:46] He's helped, you know, leading this kind of underdog gang

[01:33:51] and they're working together.

[01:33:53] So and like, I feel like her positioning is so great.

[01:33:56] And I feel like she seems to have an aptitude for the game.

[01:34:00] Although I am about to disagree with like her first move so heavily.

[01:34:02] Like I wanted to like it and I kept trying to give it grace

[01:34:04] and I just hate it so much.

[01:34:06] Like you have an eight to three majority on Alex Tobias and Sarah.

[01:34:13] I have faith you can get it done.

[01:34:15] I don't know that you need to be moles in that configuration.

[01:34:18] You can split the vote.

[01:34:20] You're okay.

[01:34:20] And like so she she does these decoy boats.

[01:34:25] We don't know.

[01:34:25] Did she tell her alliance now in talking tribal?

[01:34:28] There was a preview after we discussed whether she had

[01:34:30] that showed Garak being like, I smell a rat.

[01:34:34] And then like kind of being like, Kirby, we need to talk.

[01:34:37] So that doesn't look good.

[01:34:39] I also love that Garak is the kind of player who would be like,

[01:34:41] I smell a rat, which is like doesn't sound like something a human would say.

[01:34:44] And then he probably says that every day.

[01:34:46] Yeah.

[01:34:46] I smell a rat.

[01:34:47] Like, do you have a rat problem?

[01:34:49] Like anyway, but then he does think about some stuff which I like.

[01:34:52] But for I like Garak too.

[01:34:55] I thought Garak was great.

[01:34:57] I thought he like I know it might have been obvious that they were throwing the challenge.

[01:35:00] They weren't exactly subtle, but I still thought it was a cool moment that he like sniffed it out.

[01:35:04] I feel like he's in a great spot like Kirby, Garak and Ferris,

[01:35:08] but not making some of the mistakes that we can talk about for like Kirby and Ferris.

[01:35:12] I love, I love it.

[01:35:13] Yeah.

[01:35:13] So my fan fiction for the season is that somebody like goes and finds an idol

[01:35:19] and Garak is like watching his behavior or her behavior and like something's off.

[01:35:26] I smell a rat.

[01:35:27] I smell a rat.

[01:35:27] Yeah.

[01:35:28] I said let's do an Eden quote count.

[01:35:30] I want to, I want a rat count on, I'm already, I'm sure there was a lot.

[01:35:36] But yeah, for Kirby, this is the first tribal council roll.

[01:35:40] This is the time where you make people realize I'm a reliable, workable,

[01:35:45] alliance mate.

[01:35:46] And instead she's like an erratic, self-interested, individual, big game player.

[01:35:51] She's like, I'm going to lie about like my professional sports career.

[01:35:54] I'm like, why?

[01:35:56] Like I worry that Kirby might have like a bit much of a big move mentality

[01:35:59] that she doesn't need because she's got all the skills for the game.

[01:36:01] Like just be good.

[01:36:03] Like just be regular.

[01:36:04] So to do this, if she didn't tell them, I think it's like atrocious.

[01:36:07] If she did tell them, I know people have been like, that'll be good.

[01:36:10] That's communal.

[01:36:10] I still don't like it because I feel like they might be like, yeah, sure.

[01:36:16] And then go to each other, like a Ferris and a Garak and be like,

[01:36:20] what is she doing?

[01:36:21] Like, why just vote with us?

[01:36:22] Yeah.

[01:36:23] What are you being like now?

[01:36:25] I didn't mind it as much as you did.

[01:36:27] I really, it didn't bother me.

[01:36:28] I kind of I liked where she was going with it.

[01:36:33] You know, you have to remember, like, especially though it's day seven

[01:36:36] and you saw this tribe like overall, like getting kind of antsy.

[01:36:39] They haven't been to tribal council yet.

[01:36:41] And so they were itching to go to tribal council like Kirby.

[01:36:46] There are 40 days left.

[01:36:47] I know.

[01:36:48] But she wants to do a big move.

[01:36:49] She wants to get something going.

[01:36:51] I hate it.

[01:36:53] That's not a reason to do a move.

[01:36:56] You know, I think that maybe she might also be concerned

[01:36:59] that like these like these big personalities like Tobias and Alex

[01:37:04] are going to like come back and then also go off on like they need

[01:37:09] somebody to blame.

[01:37:10] And it's like, Kirby, you flipped.

[01:37:12] Like, how could you?

[01:37:13] Maybe they don't want to be like the target, the next targets

[01:37:16] that the guys in the group are going to be like going after.

[01:37:20] I think that I think that this is worse because it's like if

[01:37:24] they don't want to be the targets.

[01:37:27] Firstly, six people know that you've done this decoy vote.

[01:37:29] So it's not exactly under the radar.

[01:37:31] Like, if you've pissed off like a Garagore anyone,

[01:37:34] they could go to Tobias, Alex and Sarah.

[01:37:36] I'd be like, yeah, you think that they voted with you,

[01:37:38] but they knew the whole plan.

[01:37:39] They would literally, they're just trying to make you think that

[01:37:42] like Aubrey once said that people in the middle get run over.

[01:37:44] Like, I feel like she, you run the risk.

[01:37:48] And I think that the cuddlers are enough of a threat.

[01:37:50] This won't happen, but like you run the risk of everyone

[01:37:52] coming together and be like, no, you're not with either of us.

[01:37:55] Like now you're out and for no real gain.

[01:37:59] So it's not exactly like a good secret plan.

[01:38:03] It's not necessary.

[01:38:06] Yeah.

[01:38:06] I mean, if she didn't tell them, I think it's particularly bad

[01:38:09] and it seems that like Faris says.

[01:38:11] She's going to be fine.

[01:38:12] Faris has her back.

[01:38:14] I think Faris will be mad.

[01:38:15] Like, I think they're not going to like this.

[01:38:17] I think that people like when you vote with them

[01:38:19] and you say you're going to vote with them

[01:38:19] at the first tribal council.

[01:38:21] Like I know that I'm old fashioned, you know,

[01:38:24] but I like when people just vote with me

[01:38:27] when they do what they say they're going to do.

[01:38:29] So, I mean, I think like her relationship with Rihanna is good.

[01:38:33] The fact that she didn't do it herself and has at least Rihanna

[01:38:36] is fine, is better for me.

[01:38:39] Yeah.

[01:38:39] But I'm really reaching to find something

[01:38:41] because I didn't love it and people apparently liked it.

[01:38:44] And I just don't really, I don't know.

[01:38:45] I don't feel you can actively like it.

[01:38:48] Yeah, I like that.

[01:38:50] I mean, it's hard because I thought it was presented

[01:38:54] as like a good move.

[01:38:55] It wasn't like she was being doing something dumb.

[01:38:58] Because it was entertaining.

[01:39:00] Yeah, I like that.

[01:39:02] Yeah, but that's the edit, Rob.

[01:39:04] That's not.

[01:39:04] Okay, well, I'm sorry.

[01:39:07] That maybe that influences my cheesy points sometimes also.

[01:39:12] Well, I'm actually glad if it does,

[01:39:15] because I'm it's going to I'm influenced

[01:39:17] my cheesy points by hating this move.

[01:39:18] But I kind of feel like

[01:39:20] Kobi should get cheesy points for being like so socially central

[01:39:24] and making a good move here,

[01:39:25] like making an active choice to go against the cuddlers

[01:39:27] who are not including her near enough.

[01:39:29] And like instigating a lot of it, saying the name first,

[01:39:33] where we feel like I feel like Garak and Ferris

[01:39:35] kind of push this idea.

[01:39:36] Everyone gets on the same page of something really obvious.

[01:39:39] She gives a name.

[01:39:40] Like all of that's good.

[01:39:42] She pulled it off.

[01:39:43] But I don't like I just disagree with this so much that

[01:39:46] so I'm glad that you're going to give us some credit on that.

[01:39:48] Yeah.

[01:39:48] How about Raymond?

[01:39:49] I feel like that we're in disagreement on Raymond also.

[01:39:52] In what way?

[01:39:53] I feel like that he's not long for the game.

[01:39:57] I mean, I think like if you think Kelly's long for the game,

[01:40:00] like surely Raymond is because he's like behind her.

[01:40:02] No, I don't know.

[01:40:04] Like I just feel like that people are like giving him the side eye a lot.

[01:40:09] Yeah, but there's people with Peter and she's gone.

[01:40:11] Yeah.

[01:40:12] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:40:14] I just like he reminds me of like a young Johnny Fair play.

[01:40:20] Okay.

[01:40:20] But I don't know if he necessarily like has like a big game.

[01:40:26] Well, I don't think he's not pissing off the people that matter.

[01:40:29] Like Kelly is annoying her own allies.

[01:40:30] That's my concern with Raymond.

[01:40:32] Like the cuddlers hated him, but like the cuddlers have nothing.

[01:40:35] Yeah.

[01:40:36] So I'm not like super concerned about him.

[01:40:38] Like I feel like the fact that they were just showing us like

[01:40:40] showing him like that people were mad at him,

[01:40:42] that he was looking for an idol and not even like that.

[01:40:45] We like got to see him go look for an idol.

[01:40:47] Like I thought that we were just getting like a lot of clues of like

[01:40:50] people are annoyed with him.

[01:40:51] He was bad in like the the the tug of war, the kind of just like gave up.

[01:40:58] I just felt like that as far as like just edit wise,

[01:41:01] like I felt like that it's things are trending.

[01:41:04] Like he had a couple of like funny moments of tribal council,

[01:41:07] but I feel like that all the camp life stuff was not necessarily

[01:41:10] we were being shown that people are enjoying his company.

[01:41:13] But I feel I just feel like that was the cuddlers.

[01:41:15] Like the edit we got was that like they were against him and then they lost.

[01:41:19] Like I didn't see one non cuddler say something negative about him.

[01:41:22] I don't think.

[01:41:23] Yeah.

[01:41:24] And the cuddlers at this point are relevant to what's going to happen in this game hopefully.

[01:41:30] Alex got a lot of confessionals.

[01:41:32] Yeah.

[01:41:33] Alex might be the, well Alex and Peter were I think like the personality of that group.

[01:41:39] Yeah.

[01:41:39] I feel like that Alex then he really ended up having like a villain turn by the third episode.

[01:41:47] I really felt that as well.

[01:41:48] I like was so waiting for the downfall, even though I like they were being so mean about Kelly,

[01:41:53] but I didn't disagree with a lot of the Kelly stuff.

[01:41:55] But I also felt like that I was like, like the fact that she calls on the funky bunch.

[01:41:59] I was like, I can't believe both of these tribes were high school.

[01:42:02] Like every I'm a middle aged and everything will always be high school apparently.

[01:42:06] And yeah, but I did think with Kelly, one of the worst sins was like,

[01:42:11] so she was like throwing in the challenge and they're like, no, she's not getting any.

[01:42:16] She's all close and they're calling her back.

[01:42:18] She's like complaining.

[01:42:18] I'm like, Oh my God, get the emergent gameplay strategy, right?

[01:42:23] Of like, uh, uh, was it, was it Kelly?

[01:42:27] No.

[01:42:27] Who said to move the, the net?

[01:42:29] That was, that was Kitty Kitty.

[01:42:30] Okay.

[01:42:31] Sorry.

[01:42:32] Kitty, Kelly, Kelly, Caroline.

[01:42:35] Are you Frankie?

[01:42:37] But to like, to sway the net.

[01:42:40] We've never seen that before, right?

[01:42:42] That was smart.

[01:42:43] And it didn't, it didn't make them win, but it didn't make them win.

[01:42:46] I felt they had it.

[01:42:48] I feel like has, was Kelly throwing the challenges?

[01:42:51] I mean, was she?

[01:42:53] No, I don't think so.

[01:42:54] I'm joking.

[01:42:54] I'm joking.

[01:42:55] That's just Kelly.

[01:42:55] Someone we have not spoken about and that's crazy.

[01:42:58] Really?

[01:42:59] It's Ferris.

[01:43:00] Yeah.

[01:43:01] Thoughts on Ferris?

[01:43:02] No, Ferris is a very good, like his energy.

[01:43:06] He's very excited that he loved George.

[01:43:10] Yeah.

[01:43:11] He's from Bankstown as well.

[01:43:12] I think around Bankstown, I think Ferris is super funny.

[01:43:16] Like, I think he's like a real star of the screen.

[01:43:21] I thought like the, I put this on Twitter, but the moment

[01:43:24] where like Kelly hugs him and he's like eating over her.

[01:43:26] Did you see that one?

[01:43:27] I'll have a screenshot.

[01:43:28] I have it on Twitter.

[01:43:29] Um, but yeah, so, but then he was crazy at tribal council.

[01:43:33] Like, how did you feel?

[01:43:34] He loved it.

[01:43:35] He was so, he was so entertained.

[01:43:38] Yeah.

[01:43:39] But like you're, you're in it.

[01:43:40] You're not a viewer.

[01:43:41] This is the, can you see?

[01:43:43] Yeah.

[01:43:43] He says he, uh, he thrives.

[01:43:47] Oh yeah.

[01:43:47] Okay.

[01:43:48] There is, uh, he thrives in these environments.

[01:43:50] Uh, and he said that somebody needs to be made an example of

[01:43:56] at the tribe in this tribal council.

[01:43:59] And yeah, the cuddlers were like, well, I don't like that.

[01:44:02] He said that.

[01:44:04] Yeah.

[01:44:05] I didn't like that.

[01:44:06] I try to like, you know, when people have reactions to tribal council,

[01:44:09] I try to take that with a grain of salt because they can edit in any reaction.

[01:44:13] But no, like Alex and Sarah vocally are like, what?

[01:44:17] So that's not good.

[01:44:18] And now it's, if somebody has an idol, they should probably play it now.

[01:44:24] So I'm trying to work this out.

[01:44:25] So, so Ferris says that I feel like Ferris is just like he's too charismatic

[01:44:29] for his own good, like he's got the cheeky kind of like grin, no poker face.

[01:44:34] He's, he's being too, he's too hyped up on the fact that they're

[01:44:37] about to do this blindside.

[01:44:38] And honestly, I don't blame him.

[01:44:39] If I was going to do that blindside, like I'd probably be the same,

[01:44:42] but I do blame him because it's not good strategy.

[01:44:44] Um, and so then, and then he's like being way too obvious.

[01:44:47] He calls out that someone needs to be made an example of people, you know,

[01:44:50] be surprised or it's clearly not about like the unanimous Kelly vote.

[01:44:54] And Alex and Sarah confused.

[01:44:56] And then, so then Alex says that, do you think that Alex was trying to like

[01:44:59] warn Peter?

[01:44:59] Cause if that's true, wouldn't he have like, he was sitting next to her.

[01:45:01] I feel like he could have just like wink, wink.

[01:45:03] Yeah.

[01:45:03] I could have just like kicked her.

[01:45:04] Yeah.

[01:45:04] Why are you thinking?

[01:45:07] Yeah.

[01:45:08] Um, we're not playing footsie right now.

[01:45:10] Um, do you think he was doing that though?

[01:45:13] I think that he was more just speaking in like generalities.

[01:45:18] I don't think that he actually thought that, um, like I think that maybe he's like,

[01:45:22] well, that was weird.

[01:45:26] Yeah.

[01:45:26] Cause I feel like he would have, if he wasn't sitting next to her,

[01:45:28] I would think that he was trying to, but like the fact that he could have tapped

[01:45:31] her and we don't, maybe he didn't, we didn't see it, but I, I think it was

[01:45:35] generalities, but then, so then Ferris is like, no, I think that you shouldn't

[01:45:39] play an idol.

[01:45:40] Like if you're that worried now, like the game's not for you.

[01:45:42] And it was funny cause I had this back and forth with our producer on talking

[01:45:45] tribal who was like, ah, he knows that Peter has an idol and he's telling

[01:45:49] her not to play the idol.

[01:45:50] And I was like, I don't think it's that specific, but I think like he, if

[01:45:54] you're going to be in the majority vote, like best, someone doesn't play

[01:45:57] the idol.

[01:45:57] Like best your plans on upended and then Ferris kind of tweeted that he

[01:46:00] was doing that, that he was kind of like making sure no one had an idol.

[01:46:06] But then when I say the first thing, like, did he, was he trying to get

[01:46:08] somebody to flush the idol?

[01:46:09] Does he, did he not think that maybe somebody had an idol?

[01:46:13] But then he says no one should play it.

[01:46:15] Yeah.

[01:46:15] So pick a lane.

[01:46:16] He was trying to deal with his own issues.

[01:46:18] Okay.

[01:46:18] Wait, Ferris survival.

[01:46:19] What's his app?

[01:46:20] Where is he?

[01:46:21] Where's Ferris?

[01:46:22] I don't know.

[01:46:22] I don't know where.

[01:46:25] God.

[01:46:25] Okay.

[01:46:26] Well, you filibuster while I find what he tweeted because it's important

[01:46:29] because should he be doing this?

[01:46:30] Should we be tweeting out our thoughts about about what's coming up though?

[01:46:36] Should the players be tweeting out their thoughts during the.

[01:46:38] Yeah.

[01:46:39] Should you be telling me?

[01:46:40] I'm kind of working out.

[01:46:41] I mean, if you think this is bad, have you heard about the traders?

[01:46:46] No, what are they doing?

[01:46:47] They just do whatever they want.

[01:46:49] They go on podcasts.

[01:46:50] Well, those people are like big celebrities and here's Ferris.

[01:46:53] He said.

[01:46:57] No, he's okay.

[01:46:58] Wait, no, he said this.

[01:47:00] Okay.

[01:47:00] Peter needed to be reassured not to play an idol after Alex's subtle comment to play it.

[01:47:05] So it seems like maybe he was like, Oh, we're going to do a blindside.

[01:47:09] And then Alex was so obvious being like, maybe you should play an idol.

[01:47:13] That first was like, Oh no, wait, no blindside.

[01:47:15] Don't worry.

[01:47:16] Do you have an idol?

[01:47:16] Don't play that idol.

[01:47:17] And then, so maybe that is what happened.

[01:47:19] Yeah.

[01:47:19] I'll produce on talking tribal was correct.

[01:47:21] And I'm going to send her that tweet.

[01:47:22] So I feel like he buried himself in a hole that he had to dig out of.

[01:47:26] So I didn't think that was good, but I do think he's in a good position.

[01:47:29] I like his relationship with Gary and with Kirby, bringing Kirby in, getting the numbers,

[01:47:33] you know, overthrowing the cool kids as obviously I love.

[01:47:36] And that's, I think all I have, Rob, I think that's all I have on,

[01:47:40] on the strategy of the episode.

[01:47:41] Okay.

[01:47:42] Do you want to do the chili?

[01:47:43] Is it that time?

[01:47:45] I think it is.

[01:47:46] Take it away.

[01:47:47] Jacob's egg wine scene and MC color.

[01:47:49] Okay.

[01:47:50] One, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three,

[01:47:56] let's get, let's get, let's get kind of jizzy.

[01:47:58] Three, two, one.

[01:48:01] Yes.

[01:48:01] Yay.

[01:48:03] Jizzy.

[01:48:05] Super excited.

[01:48:06] Okay.

[01:48:06] Do you want to go first?

[01:48:08] Okay.

[01:48:10] Remind me if we start with three.

[01:48:12] Yeah, you do you.

[01:48:13] Okay.

[01:48:15] Three for Mark.

[01:48:17] Mark it down three points, running this tribe and also running this tribe in a way

[01:48:25] where he's building a consensus that he's leading from the front, but nobody's like,

[01:48:32] Oh, Mark is, we got to get rid of him.

[01:48:35] He's just doing such a good job of like that.

[01:48:39] He's like in the middle of everything.

[01:48:40] Everybody loves him.

[01:48:42] He had that moment.

[01:48:42] I thought maybe it was too good in the one challenge that was

[01:48:47] like the steel cage match where I was like, wow, magic Mark, here he goes.

[01:48:54] And he just like shot out of there like a cannon.

[01:48:57] JLP like kind of blew up his spot a little bit.

[01:49:01] Yeah, but it's not that bad because Mark's never going to be the challenge.

[01:49:05] JLP called him the secret weapon.

[01:49:08] Yeah.

[01:49:09] And he was like not so secret.

[01:49:10] Yeah, but still he's never going to go for being like a great swimmer.

[01:49:13] Like he's never going to be a priority over

[01:49:14] He's very aerodynamic.

[01:49:17] He is.

[01:49:17] He did well with that.

[01:49:18] He really showed us because in the preseason content,

[01:49:21] like it showed him like really young, like a kid with like a bunch of like swimming medals.

[01:49:25] And we're like, well, you're a child there.

[01:49:27] Like we don't know how that's going to play out in adulthood in middle age.

[01:49:30] And it did.

[01:49:31] And we were wrong.

[01:49:32] I was wrong on Mark.

[01:49:33] He was.

[01:49:34] And I'm happy to be good.

[01:49:36] Okay.

[01:49:36] But in this way.

[01:49:38] All right.

[01:49:39] That's three.

[01:49:40] Like, keep going or you go.

[01:49:41] We go back and forth.

[01:49:42] There you go.

[01:49:42] Okay.

[01:49:43] I'm going to give two to two to Kirby.

[01:49:45] I didn't know that you were going to come on here and poop.

[01:49:48] Yeah.

[01:49:48] What she did so much, but thought she had a really good episode in that episode three.

[01:49:55] She ends up getting invited to be part of that alliance.

[01:49:59] She feels things out.

[01:50:00] Seems like she's got like a fun three, at least a three person thing with Ferris and Garak.

[01:50:06] And it just seems like that, you know, I guess maybe I love the trend.

[01:50:13] That's gone on these last couple of years about like purposefully

[01:50:17] like voting for a person that, you know, isn't going to go home.

[01:50:20] And I've seen that work, you know, so well for Jam Jam and for Carson D did it in survivor

[01:50:27] 45 also on the vote where Emily went home.

[01:50:31] So I think I've seen people have like really great success with this strategy.

[01:50:35] And so I saw it here.

[01:50:38] George has done it.

[01:50:39] So it's, you know, it's it's been very effective.

[01:50:44] So yeah, not at the first tribal council, though.

[01:50:46] Okay.

[01:50:46] Like late in the game when like dynamics makes sense of why that's necessary.

[01:50:51] All right.

[01:50:52] Well, it's such a cool move.

[01:50:52] Like I agree.

[01:50:53] Mulver it's also fun.

[01:50:54] Like I get wanting to do it for fun, but it's just like, what do you gain?

[01:51:01] Are you gaining more than you lose?

[01:51:02] Yeah.

[01:51:03] I guess in my mind, I thought that she had cleared it with the with the group.

[01:51:07] I actually didn't think that she was just like going rogue.

[01:51:11] And, you know, like how would she like it doesn't make any sense that she would not

[01:51:17] like she'd have to explain it.

[01:51:19] Like it really wouldn't make sense.

[01:51:22] It wouldn't.

[01:51:22] It wouldn't make sense.

[01:51:23] I think that's what happened.

[01:51:24] Yeah, I think she went rogue, which is we don't say go rogue because that's different

[01:51:28] in Australian survival.

[01:51:28] That's a different thing, but broke from last season.

[01:51:31] Yeah.

[01:51:32] Making no, but I I think I want to believe she told them, but that preview on talking

[01:51:40] tribal looks bad Ferris says that, you know, a lion's going to be drawn in the sand.

[01:51:44] We don't see her doing it.

[01:51:47] Even if she told them, like, I think I really think it'd be like, Hey guys,

[01:51:49] I got this really great idea.

[01:51:50] We're going to do this.

[01:51:51] And then they're like, okay.

[01:51:53] And then they still have a conversation that's like, wow.

[01:51:56] Okay.

[01:51:56] So you're really doing your own thing a lot, huh?

[01:51:59] You'd really have to sell that.

[01:52:00] It's good for all of them.

[01:52:02] And you have to do that before the vote.

[01:52:04] And if she did that, and then it's just a very different move than the one I saw

[01:52:09] on TV, and I'm having to do a lot of work to give her a lot of grace

[01:52:14] to kind of make stuff up about what happened, like her coming in and being like, guys,

[01:52:19] and they love it.

[01:52:19] And they're like, Oh my God, that's so fun.

[01:52:21] We're all doing that.

[01:52:21] That's not what I watched.

[01:52:22] But yeah, that's, that's different.

[01:52:24] That's a different thing.

[01:52:25] And that would be a lot better, but I don't know that I can credit it because

[01:52:28] I didn't see that happen.

[01:52:30] Okay.

[01:52:31] And then for the one, I struggled a little bit with the one.

[01:52:36] I thought about Eden, but I was just, I think ultimately the,

[01:52:43] you know, spiraling ended up taking him out of contention for me.

[01:52:48] I really wanted to go with Kelly.

[01:52:52] I just thought that, uh, that she did a good job of not spiraling.

[01:52:57] And I thought that it would have got such a good reaction from you, Shannon.

[01:53:01] So angry about it.

[01:53:05] That's like, Oh, quick question.

[01:53:08] Yes.

[01:53:09] I feel like I'm warring with people too much on podcast.

[01:53:12] Not too much.

[01:53:12] I enjoy it.

[01:53:12] Actually.

[01:53:13] I think everyone knows the same good fun, but like, why is my thing with

[01:53:15] everyone being so mean?

[01:53:16] It's something I've been thinking about lately.

[01:53:18] Your, why, why are you so mean to people on podcasts?

[01:53:21] You're asking?

[01:53:22] Yes.

[01:53:22] Yes.

[01:53:23] All my long-term podcast dynamics are really contentious.

[01:53:26] You, Nick, not really Mike Bryce.

[01:53:28] This is what I was thinking.

[01:53:29] Chapelle, the whole draft is actually.

[01:53:33] Do we antagonize us?

[01:53:34] I don't, but now I'm thinking, do I antagonize you or you come in trying to upset me on my own podcast?

[01:53:42] You're like, Oh, I'll do it for the look on Shannon's face.

[01:53:45] Maybe I'm being antagonized and I'm just fighting back.

[01:53:48] I'm the, I'm the underdog.

[01:53:50] I think that's what it is.

[01:53:51] I think that's what the trend.

[01:53:53] It's not that I used to say, I'm consistently bullied on even sometimes my own podcast.

[01:54:00] And would that be bullying you to give Kelly a cheesy point?

[01:54:03] Yes.

[01:54:04] Yes.

[01:54:05] It would be to give Kelly a cheesy point.

[01:54:07] Isn't it my point?

[01:54:08] Isn't it my point to give whoever I want as a rebel, as a rebel, you're making me want to.

[01:54:15] You know, I think that cheesy is like, it's such a good because I have a rebel.

[01:54:18] The more you tell me not to give Kelly a cheesy point, the more I want to give Kelly a cheesy

[01:54:23] point.

[01:54:24] I'm concerned that the cheesy is turning into a vehicle to be mean to me.

[01:54:28] And it's something that I love, but it's like, does the cheesy need to end?

[01:54:31] Because my guest next week is Nick and Nick's going to do the exact same thing.

[01:54:35] So is every week going to be this thing?

[01:54:37] And then it becomes a thing.

[01:54:38] So then people do it on purpose because they know that it gets me.

[01:54:41] So it's funny.

[01:54:41] So I should act like I don't care because then they won't do it.

[01:54:43] But I can't do that because I am who I am.

[01:54:46] Too much of a Titan to not care.

[01:54:49] I don't think that's what being a Titan is.

[01:54:50] Titan of the cheesy.

[01:54:52] I make the rules and you know what the rules are?

[01:54:54] Don't do this.

[01:54:55] You make the rules and we break the rules.

[01:54:58] Don't do that.

[01:54:59] Don't do it.

[01:55:00] We had a great podcast with Nick on talking about traitors a couple of weeks ago.

[01:55:04] Oh, that was so fun.

[01:55:05] He loves the Real Housewives.

[01:55:06] Yes, I know.

[01:55:07] He really does.

[01:55:07] Yes.

[01:55:09] I will land on giving the one cheesy point to Ferris.

[01:55:13] Save Ferris.

[01:55:14] Okay, great.

[01:55:15] I'm glad that.

[01:55:17] Okay, that's great.

[01:55:18] It's good to give strategic opinions on my cheesy rather than.

[01:55:22] Yeah, Ferris.

[01:55:23] I mean, I can't necessarily like pinpoint like one major thing that he did,

[01:55:28] but the vibes were immaculate for Ferris and just, you know, a really fun person to have in the season.

[01:55:37] I'm really glad you've done this because I'm going to give three points to Mark.

[01:55:43] And I feel like Mark to me is so clearly the six points which you got the winner of the cheesy.

[01:55:48] And I don't know that anyone else is like such a clear second this week.

[01:55:50] So I'm glad there's going to be space now.

[01:55:53] I think that's right for this week.

[01:55:54] Mark, it doesn't need to be said.

[01:55:56] He's been brilliant.

[01:55:56] Like we've all already talked about it and he's been perfect.

[01:56:00] Like I have no notes for Mark.

[01:56:02] And so everyone else will go to it.

[01:56:04] Okay, so I'm going to give two to Eden.

[01:56:06] I kind of feel like I'm like the opposite of you were like,

[01:56:08] you didn't think the Kirby's thing was so bad.

[01:56:10] So you're going to credit the positioning.

[01:56:11] That's what I am with Eden.

[01:56:12] We're like, I'm okay on this filing.

[01:56:14] Yeah, I would have changed the split a little, but like, I'm still okay with it.

[01:56:17] Upsetting Nathan is nothing to me.

[01:56:19] I can't believe he wasn't Mike Bloom's winner pick.

[01:56:24] We would have done better than Peter.

[01:56:25] Yeah. Oh, wait.

[01:56:28] Why do you think that?

[01:56:29] Just because he's kind of like Mike.

[01:56:31] Yeah.

[01:56:31] Have you seen Eden?

[01:56:34] Yeah.

[01:56:34] And Eileen's kind of like me, but we don't bet on ourselves.

[01:56:36] Have you met me?

[01:56:37] I wouldn't say that Eden is like Mike Bloom, but I feel like that.

[01:56:42] Like, I can't believe like Eden doesn't have a show on post-show recaps.

[01:56:48] Oh, you offering?

[01:56:50] Hey, that's the, that's not my jurisdiction.

[01:56:53] Well, I, I obviously love Eden.

[01:56:57] I'm going to give him two points.

[01:56:58] You know, I felt like I want to, like the time has meant the two tribal councils.

[01:57:01] So that's kind of like where my focus is.

[01:57:03] I feel like he was never actually in danger and Eden discount.

[01:57:11] It's not, I'm not, that's not why I'm doing this, but yeah,

[01:57:14] I think he's in a really good spot.

[01:57:15] I thought that he was a big part of that first move and it set the tone so well.

[01:57:18] And it's so good to create the culture that will behoove you long-term in such a long game.

[01:57:23] And even in the short games, like super into empowering systems that are good for you.

[01:57:28] So I'm going to give two to Eden and I'm going to even point to Garrick.

[01:57:32] Oh, okay.

[01:57:33] Yeah. I feel like he clocked the throw.

[01:57:36] I know that, you know, it was clear, but I love the moment and he's in loss prevention.

[01:57:43] When he, and exactly, exactly that goes.

[01:57:46] So that's why he was so good.

[01:57:48] So personally, um, he's part of this cool,

[01:57:50] like underdog crew Ferris Kirby.

[01:57:53] And I feel like I'm glad you gave Kirby and Ferris points.

[01:57:57] Cause they were the two that win contention for me that I didn't give points to.

[01:58:00] I'm glad you did.

[01:58:00] Cause again, that like evens out where a lot of that power has been Ferris.

[01:58:04] I just felt like the, the weirdness of tribal council for me,

[01:58:08] the way that he might've accidentally took off Alex and then needed to bring it back.

[01:58:13] Um, that kind of took Garrick over the edge for me,

[01:58:16] but I was kind of between the two of them.

[01:58:18] And then Kirby, she's so well positioned.

[01:58:20] I feel like she did really well in pushing the rebel move,

[01:58:22] but I just, I just really didn't like the decoy move with everything I've seen of it.

[01:58:26] So I, um, I couldn't give it to her, but I'm glad you did.

[01:58:30] I feel like the points in general,

[01:58:31] like six to mark wins the chili week one.

[01:58:33] And then we've got two Eden, two Kirby, one Ferris, one Garrick.

[01:58:36] I liked that a lot.

[01:58:37] Well, I'm thrilled that we got it.

[01:58:40] How you liked it.

[01:58:41] Thank you.

[01:58:42] Yes.

[01:58:42] Important to me.

[01:58:43] Yes.

[01:58:43] I have so little, so little clearly.

[01:58:46] Yeah.

[01:58:46] I'm dying.

[01:58:47] But that's the fun of the podcast, right?

[01:58:49] Where you get, you get like a little worked up,

[01:58:52] but then by, you're happy by the end.

[01:58:54] Look at you.

[01:58:55] What?

[01:58:56] Look at you.

[01:58:57] Look at me.

[01:58:57] It's a stick.

[01:58:58] It's a stick.

[01:58:58] It's not the fun of the podcast is to work me up.

[01:59:00] That's what the listeners like.

[01:59:02] Wow.

[01:59:03] So for the listeners to get that precious ad money,

[01:59:07] we're going to upset me on my own podcast, Charles.

[01:59:11] Charles, I need a lawyer.

[01:59:14] I need an employment lawyer.

[01:59:16] Imagine admitting that on camera.

[01:59:21] You should be ashamed of yourself.

[01:59:24] I'm the victim in all of this.

[01:59:26] It's becoming really clear to me.

[01:59:28] Although I do kind of feel like a bully Bryce.

[01:59:29] I don't actually don't think that was Bryce.

[01:59:30] I think Bryce was being perfectly lovely.

[01:59:32] I think that a lot of that was me,

[01:59:34] but Nick and you and Chappelle and Pouya, all of you.

[01:59:38] Yeah.

[01:59:39] You're the bad guy.

[01:59:42] I'm aware.

[01:59:43] But don't we have so much fun?

[01:59:45] Do we?

[01:59:46] Yeah.

[01:59:47] I think so.

[01:59:50] I want to do the JLP tweets.

[01:59:52] Oh, okay.

[01:59:54] But I can't.

[01:59:55] They're too inappropriate?

[01:59:56] No, but good guess.

[01:59:59] What?

[01:59:59] You know how JLP was hacked a year ago?

[02:00:02] At the very end of Heroes vs Villains?

[02:00:03] Yeah.

[02:00:04] You know, they never sold that.

[02:00:06] Oh, they never got back in?

[02:00:07] It has been 10 months.

[02:00:08] No.

[02:00:09] It's really been done.

[02:00:09] We don't know what Twitter is right now,

[02:00:11] don't you think?

[02:00:11] Sure.

[02:00:12] They don't even fix any of the problems.

[02:00:14] They don't even fix any of the problems.

[02:00:15] Just like that.

[02:00:16] They're like,

[02:00:16] just make it that you can't search for Taylor Swift.

[02:00:22] Yeah.

[02:00:23] If you can't search for her,

[02:00:25] then nobody can know what's going on.

[02:00:29] Yeah.

[02:00:29] Well, I mean, and also JLP,

[02:00:32] also Hillary's Barbie tweet,

[02:00:35] a lot going on on Twitter.

[02:00:36] JLP I felt like was really,

[02:00:38] you know, the Speedo guys,

[02:00:41] that was right up his alley.

[02:00:45] In what way?

[02:00:46] You talked about that was a Speedo battle

[02:00:48] in one of the battle royals,

[02:00:50] one of the Steel Cage matches.

[02:00:52] And then Raymond said that too.

[02:00:53] He's like,

[02:00:53] because they were hugging.

[02:00:55] Actually, Alex said to Jade,

[02:00:56] and he was like,

[02:00:57] you're a big boy.

[02:00:57] And I was like,

[02:00:59] what is going on?

[02:01:00] This is a dynamic that's very foreign to me.

[02:01:02] And then Raymond was like,

[02:01:03] they're going to link up.

[02:01:04] And then people,

[02:01:05] so that didn't look good either.

[02:01:06] Right.

[02:01:07] Yeah.

[02:01:08] Yeah.

[02:01:08] And did you notice as well that,

[02:01:10] and this is something I find interesting.

[02:01:11] When they came,

[02:01:12] when the titles came in

[02:01:13] and Jess had been voted out,

[02:01:14] someone said,

[02:01:15] I need to check who,

[02:01:16] even though I've watched this episode

[02:01:17] like 15 times,

[02:01:18] but someone said,

[02:01:18] all the women are really going.

[02:01:20] And then they themselves,

[02:01:21] and for reasons we understand,

[02:01:24] like they make sense,

[02:01:25] I'm not blaming anyone,

[02:01:26] but they also were between

[02:01:27] to be fair,

[02:01:28] Kelly and Peter.

[02:01:31] But I think that the fact

[02:01:31] that it's being acknowledged

[02:01:32] in the culture

[02:01:33] makes me wonder if like,

[02:01:34] that'll be like,

[02:01:35] intentionally turned soon.

[02:01:37] Yeah.

[02:01:38] So that's, I think,

[02:01:38] quite interesting.

[02:01:40] Yeah, but you were going to say on JLP.

[02:01:42] No, I just think that he was very,

[02:01:44] I'm very into the speedos,

[02:01:46] I think that he let Kelly

[02:01:48] have the moment of like,

[02:01:51] objectifying Nathan.

[02:01:53] Yeah.

[02:01:53] Yeah.

[02:01:55] I think that Nathan is going to,

[02:01:56] I think that we're going to get the,

[02:01:58] Nathan is going to put the moves

[02:02:00] on Kelly to get in an alliance

[02:02:03] at some point this season.

[02:02:06] I pray I don't have to.

[02:02:08] I think that there's going to be

[02:02:10] like a honey pot action.

[02:02:13] What?

[02:02:14] Yeah, he's going to tell me.

[02:02:15] What is that?

[02:02:16] Is that a thing?

[02:02:16] He's going to have to like,

[02:02:18] really just like flirt with her.

[02:02:21] Yeah.

[02:02:21] Yeah.

[02:02:23] Couple other things,

[02:02:24] give you some of my random

[02:02:26] musings from the episode.

[02:02:28] I was going to,

[02:02:29] I'm looking at JLP's Instagram

[02:02:30] to see if there's anything there,

[02:02:31] but no,

[02:02:32] there's not a lot.

[02:02:33] So is JLP going to have to start

[02:02:34] getting like inappropriate

[02:02:36] on Instagram now?

[02:02:37] TikTok.

[02:02:37] Because I don't know,

[02:02:39] please don't make me go to TikTok JLP.

[02:02:41] I am old.

[02:02:42] Okay, give me a random musing.

[02:02:43] Yeah, a lot of it is from

[02:02:44] the challenges,

[02:02:46] which I thought were very good.

[02:02:48] That have they done the tug of war

[02:02:50] or was this just a like

[02:02:52] squid game rip off?

[02:02:57] I think they've done the tug of war.

[02:03:00] Rings the bell.

[02:03:01] They've definitely done like

[02:03:02] pure strength on strength.

[02:03:03] Like one they like to do a lot is like

[02:03:05] when you're pushing

[02:03:06] and you have to get them around

[02:03:08] like the circular thing,

[02:03:09] which is kind of,

[02:03:10] I guess is similar.

[02:03:11] But yeah, I think they've done tug of war.

[02:03:13] This is in my jurisdiction.

[02:03:14] Yeah, I feel like all of a sudden,

[02:03:16] like people have like a lot of strategies

[02:03:17] about tug of war after squid game.

[02:03:21] In terms of what?

[02:03:22] Like, okay, everybody like,

[02:03:24] like if you fall down on the floor

[02:03:26] and then like,

[02:03:27] and then they're like,

[02:03:27] and then we'll jerk them.

[02:03:29] Like, I feel like the old man

[02:03:31] taught everybody a lot about tug of war.

[02:03:34] Garak?

[02:03:35] The old man from squid game!

[02:03:38] I'm joking.

[02:03:40] Zero zero one!

[02:03:42] It's fun to work you up, Rob.

[02:03:44] See how it feels?

[02:03:46] I knew who you meant.

[02:03:47] Yeah.

[02:03:48] The old man from squid game.

[02:03:50] Yeah, so.

[02:03:51] I've never watched either of the squid games.

[02:03:53] Oh, okay.

[02:03:54] But I feel like I have,

[02:03:56] honestly, just through like absorbing it.

[02:03:58] Yep.

[02:03:58] What was with the canned goods?

[02:04:02] They like to troll.

[02:04:04] That's what they do?

[02:04:04] Are you trolling with the rewards

[02:04:06] of the challenge?

[02:04:07] Don't you remember they did like fish and chips

[02:04:10] and then it was like raw fish and like potatoes.

[02:04:13] They've done so many things.

[02:04:14] Why?

[02:04:14] Why would they do that?

[02:04:15] Don't they want people to try for the rewards?

[02:04:18] There's always like one troll reward.

[02:04:19] And then I thought like,

[02:04:20] okay, the cans,

[02:04:21] like did everybody have to like pick a can

[02:04:23] and then you open the can

[02:04:24] and maybe it was something good

[02:04:26] and maybe it was like dog food.

[02:04:29] Well, I don't think it was dog food.

[02:04:31] No, but I'm saying like,

[02:04:32] I thought that it was like that.

[02:04:33] Okay, everybody pick a can.

[02:04:35] Yeah.

[02:04:35] And then somebody had like a clue

[02:04:37] to an idol or something in the can.

[02:04:39] Like I just felt like that.

[02:04:40] It was like,

[02:04:40] oh, this is interesting,

[02:04:42] but it was nothing.

[02:04:43] Well, yeah,

[02:04:44] they have done that before

[02:04:44] where it's like you win baked goods

[02:04:46] and then it's like,

[02:04:47] oh no, like Sam Webb has to choose

[02:04:48] who gets like the cake,

[02:04:50] but who gets like a little piece of toast.

[02:04:51] Like that's what they.

[02:04:52] But don't you think there was something

[02:04:53] interesting there with like

[02:04:55] they took the labels off all these cans

[02:04:57] and it's like,

[02:04:58] okay, unmarked cans.

[02:05:00] And I thought everybody should have to pick

[02:05:02] there's no sharing

[02:05:04] and you have to like sight unseen

[02:05:06] or like without opening it.

[02:05:09] It's not that everybody take a can

[02:05:11] and they could have

[02:05:12] it would have been interesting.

[02:05:12] Maybe one of the cans

[02:05:13] has an advantage in it.

[02:05:15] There was just an advantage in the bananas.

[02:05:17] Stop trying to choke

[02:05:18] these contestants on clues.

[02:05:19] Like we can't you can.

[02:05:21] They can never eat anything.

[02:05:23] They don't have to be like nibbling

[02:05:24] every single thing.

[02:05:24] Let's say, you know,

[02:05:25] there's going to be a clue

[02:05:26] and everything.

[02:05:27] Then Jaden was like peaches,

[02:05:29] peaches, peaches, peaches.

[02:05:30] Have you seen Mario?

[02:05:31] Yes, yes.

[02:05:32] I did see that in the movie theater.

[02:05:33] Also, and it was expensive.

[02:05:36] Thank you.

[02:05:37] You sold Bobby twice.

[02:05:39] Only once in the movie theater.

[02:05:40] Oh, okay.

[02:05:41] Yeah.

[02:05:42] Right.

[02:05:42] The Titans had some great jackets.

[02:05:46] Yeah, Valerias.

[02:05:47] Valerias jacket.

[02:05:48] She was like a wet chicken.

[02:05:50] Yeah.

[02:05:51] You think Jaden's funny?

[02:05:52] People like Jaden.

[02:05:53] I don't remember him saying anything.

[02:05:55] He had like,

[02:05:55] I thought he was like likable.

[02:05:57] I don't remember saying anything

[02:05:58] that was like hilarious.

[02:06:00] Mike pulled this that he was like

[02:06:02] when JLP went to,

[02:06:03] I think like get the votes.

[02:06:04] He's like,

[02:06:04] it's just like the show,

[02:06:05] which I don't know how he knows

[02:06:06] because I don't think

[02:06:07] he's ever seen the show.

[02:06:08] Like he didn't,

[02:06:08] he's going to remember like

[02:06:09] outwit outplay outlast

[02:06:10] and he kicked the puzzle.

[02:06:11] People were like,

[02:06:12] Michelle Fitzgerald fan.

[02:06:14] I was like,

[02:06:14] he thinks he just invented

[02:06:15] kicking the puzzle.

[02:06:17] But he was funny.

[02:06:18] I felt like he was like

[02:06:19] so chill with JLP

[02:06:21] in a way that made me laugh.

[02:06:22] He was calling JLP Johnno.

[02:06:25] Johnno.

[02:06:26] Which is like the Australianification

[02:06:28] of Jonathan.

[02:06:30] I'm like,

[02:06:30] you're very comfortable

[02:06:31] with JLP so early.

[02:06:32] He was like,

[02:06:33] have a safe night Johnno.

[02:06:34] See you tomorrow.

[02:06:36] I like that.

[02:06:36] I thought he was funny.

[02:06:38] Okay.

[02:06:39] What else are your thoughts?

[02:06:40] Let's see.

[02:06:41] I'm just flipping through everything.

[02:06:46] I did have,

[02:06:47] you know,

[02:06:47] 1500 words of notes this week.

[02:06:49] I know.

[02:06:50] I think he's preparing so much.

[02:06:51] And you were doing that

[02:06:52] on the treadmill.

[02:06:54] Yeah, really?

[02:06:55] I've got a good system.

[02:06:57] Because I need,

[02:06:58] can you do,

[02:06:58] how do I do that for my bike?

[02:06:59] Because I would save

[02:07:00] so much time

[02:07:01] if I could.

[02:07:01] Yeah, I have an exercise bike also.

[02:07:04] I don't have as good

[02:07:05] of a system for that.

[02:07:06] The treadmill is actually

[02:07:08] very conducive to being able

[02:07:09] to watch a show

[02:07:11] and take notes.

[02:07:13] Yeah.

[02:07:14] Okay.

[02:07:14] Well, yeah.

[02:07:15] I mean, I would love

[02:07:16] to do that on my bike.

[02:07:19] Okay.

[02:07:19] I think that's the majority.

[02:07:22] Note, writing treadmill,

[02:07:24] walking survival,

[02:07:25] walking machine.

[02:07:26] Like that was,

[02:07:27] that's incredible.

[02:07:27] What are we getting done

[02:07:28] at that time?

[02:07:29] You were tired.

[02:07:30] Just a rebel.

[02:07:30] Just a rebel, you know.

[02:07:32] No, that's not what a rebel.

[02:07:33] That's a tie-in thing to do.

[02:07:34] But overall,

[02:07:36] I liked most of what

[02:07:38] they did this week.

[02:07:41] Oh, did I say most?

[02:07:44] I meant all of what

[02:07:46] they did this week.

[02:07:48] Okay.

[02:07:50] Oh, I want to ask

[02:07:51] your winner pick.

[02:07:52] It doesn't count obviously

[02:07:53] because you've seen

[02:07:54] one eighth of the season.

[02:07:55] Okay.

[02:07:55] I mean, my winner pick is Mark.

[02:07:57] Just think that Mark is

[02:08:00] boring.

[02:08:00] I know.

[02:08:01] Well, look, I was so impressed.

[02:08:02] How could I not be?

[02:08:03] I know.

[02:08:03] Well, yeah.

[02:08:04] I mean, that's just,

[02:08:05] you have the six-point chisley,

[02:08:06] ghetto.

[02:08:07] Yeah, I have rooting interest,

[02:08:08] but I feel like that to me,

[02:08:09] Mark just seems like a cut above.

[02:08:13] I probably,

[02:08:14] I would have said Mark

[02:08:14] after the episode one

[02:08:15] of that change anything.

[02:08:17] But that was probably his best

[02:08:19] one of the week.

[02:08:21] Well, he was great

[02:08:21] across the board.

[02:08:22] Yeah, Mark's just really,

[02:08:24] really good.

[02:08:26] And like, I really mean

[02:08:28] everything that I said

[02:08:29] before, you know,

[02:08:30] he's not like a super

[02:08:32] colorful character,

[02:08:33] which is what I'm typically

[02:08:34] drawn to in terms of television.

[02:08:37] But just in terms of like

[02:08:38] a person that I would want

[02:08:40] to deal with professionally,

[02:08:41] like Mark is just like,

[02:08:43] just seems like a super sharp guy.

[02:08:48] I feel like you've offered

[02:08:49] Eden, Mark and Charles

[02:08:51] different forms of employment

[02:08:52] in this podcast.

[02:08:55] Like, Mark, what can we do?

[02:08:56] Let's just elaborate on it.

[02:08:57] We want to work with you.

[02:08:59] Um, yeah, did you feel

[02:09:01] like the votes?

[02:09:02] Like, did you think?

[02:09:04] Like Frankie's definitely going.

[02:09:06] Jess is definitely going.

[02:09:07] Peter's definitely going.

[02:09:08] Or was there suspense for you

[02:09:09] on how any of it really?

[02:09:10] I was most surprised.

[02:09:12] I think at the first vote,

[02:09:14] I really thought that

[02:09:16] I didn't think that the

[02:09:18] middle age mafia had

[02:09:22] Viola and Valeria

[02:09:25] because but they still would

[02:09:26] have had Jess and Charles.

[02:09:28] Yeah, I just thought

[02:09:29] I thought that they did.

[02:09:30] And again, I was a little bit

[02:09:31] like coming in.

[02:09:32] I had not done any.

[02:09:34] I'm like, are there

[02:09:35] 10 people in the tribe?

[02:09:36] Like, I was like, I didn't.

[02:09:37] I did not know

[02:09:38] there were 10 or 12

[02:09:39] people in the tribe

[02:09:40] when they were counting.

[02:09:41] I didn't.

[02:09:42] I didn't look at it

[02:09:43] before this I just

[02:09:45] jumped right in.

[02:09:45] OK, I'm a rebel.

[02:09:49] I knew you'd do that.

[02:09:51] It's not rebellious.

[02:09:52] The fact that you think

[02:09:53] that that's rebellious

[02:09:54] is why you're not a rebel.

[02:09:55] Yes, I'm a rebel.

[02:09:56] I just some of them

[02:09:56] just start watching the show

[02:09:57] and I don't look

[02:09:58] at the cast list beforehand.

[02:10:00] And he's kind of crazy.

[02:10:01] Yeah.

[02:10:01] Look at you and I couldn't.

[02:10:04] So I just thought

[02:10:04] that the fact that Frankie

[02:10:06] kept going back to them

[02:10:08] and saying like, hey,

[02:10:09] you hear Jessica,

[02:10:10] she wants to vote

[02:10:11] out the strong women.

[02:10:12] She thinks there's too

[02:10:13] many strong women in this group.

[02:10:14] And so I just felt like that.

[02:10:16] OK, well, if you're Viola

[02:10:18] and Valeria

[02:10:20] and you're hearing about that.

[02:10:21] She wants to get out

[02:10:22] the strong women

[02:10:23] that I just felt like

[02:10:24] that that was like

[02:10:24] a really good

[02:10:25] like ace in the hole for Frankie.

[02:10:28] That was going to keep

[02:10:31] you know, and I felt like

[02:10:32] that Frankie was coming

[02:10:33] and maybe Frankie was like,

[02:10:34] hey, but I'm really

[02:10:36] really loyal to Nathan

[02:10:38] and Jayden winner.

[02:10:39] That's my real alliance.

[02:10:40] But I felt like that

[02:10:41] the other women

[02:10:42] might have seen like,

[02:10:43] OK, yeah, let's let's do

[02:10:44] like a strong women thing

[02:10:45] and string along

[02:10:46] some of the like,

[02:10:48] you know, meat heads

[02:10:49] in this group.

[02:10:51] So I just I kind of thought

[02:10:53] Frankie had the killer V's.

[02:10:57] I just kind of felt like

[02:10:59] if Jess felt that way about

[02:11:03] it was pretty Frankie specific.

[02:11:06] And if she felt that way

[02:11:06] about the strong women,

[02:11:07] which was good for Frankie to use,

[02:11:09] but like Jess is going to have no power

[02:11:10] and it's probably out next regardless.

[02:11:11] But like, let's take

[02:11:12] that hit against Nathan.

[02:11:13] So he like Nathan, especially

[02:11:14] who's not including the V's

[02:11:16] like, let's cut that out

[02:11:18] from under him.

[02:11:19] And as I said, like really

[02:11:20] depower Nathan

[02:11:21] like send that message,

[02:11:22] create this group of this culture.

[02:11:23] And then like Jess is

[02:11:24] And also I felt like

[02:11:25] that the middle age mafia,

[02:11:27] like I felt like that

[02:11:27] they also kind of went to Valeria

[02:11:30] and Viola last.

[02:11:32] So I kind of felt like

[02:11:33] that they might have sense

[02:11:34] like we're at the bottom of this.

[02:11:36] Frankie is like looking at us pretty,

[02:11:38] you know, high up.

[02:11:40] And so I that was probably

[02:11:42] the most suspense I had

[02:11:44] for any of the tribal councils this week.

[02:11:46] Yeah, they think close

[02:11:47] to Mark and Eden,

[02:11:49] they would be piling onto a six

[02:11:50] instead of, you know,

[02:11:53] what became an eight.

[02:11:55] So I felt like I was pretty

[02:11:58] like I didn't think

[02:11:59] that Nathan and Frankie

[02:12:00] were going to get taken down.

[02:12:01] Like I remember when Nathan

[02:12:03] had that post challenge

[02:12:04] confection where he said

[02:12:05] he was excited.

[02:12:05] I was like, oh, I would love

[02:12:06] for this to happen.

[02:12:07] But I obviously at that point

[02:12:08] didn't think it was going to happen.

[02:12:09] By the time I went to tribal,

[02:12:10] I felt pretty good

[02:12:11] that Frankie would go

[02:12:12] in all of the tribal councils.

[02:12:13] I felt really strongly

[02:12:14] that those people would go.

[02:12:15] But I feel like that's fine

[02:12:17] because I don't need them

[02:12:18] to create like fake suspense.

[02:12:19] This is kind of like a

[02:12:20] survivor South Africa thing.

[02:12:21] Like they'll tell a clear story,

[02:12:22] which I think is good.

[02:12:24] We'll get that.

[02:12:25] And if it's really like

[02:12:26] actively suspenseful,

[02:12:27] it'll be more meaningful

[02:12:28] because it'll be true.

[02:12:29] So I thought that

[02:12:30] that was all fine.

[02:12:31] I'm OK with the edit, like,

[02:12:32] yeah, in terms of

[02:12:34] spending so much time

[02:12:35] on the Titans earlier on.

[02:12:37] And I think the people

[02:12:38] like we didn't know the rebels,

[02:12:39] but by the end of the first week,

[02:12:40] we know way more people.

[02:12:42] As we've said,

[02:12:43] only a few are really

[02:12:44] kind of unknown to us.

[02:12:45] And I feel like they needed

[02:12:46] to give the Titans

[02:12:46] that much time

[02:12:47] because they built up this whole

[02:12:48] like they built up

[02:12:50] the cocky kids, the cool kids,

[02:12:51] and then they have

[02:12:52] to bring them down.

[02:12:52] Like we needed to spend

[02:12:53] like that hour and a half

[02:12:54] with them to work out

[02:12:55] like to really like

[02:12:57] that was such a good

[02:12:57] like like almost bottle episode.

[02:12:59] Like I was like,

[02:12:59] season over like this is done.

[02:13:01] Like this has been fun by itself.

[02:13:02] So it stood on its own.

[02:13:04] It needed that time.

[02:13:05] And I thought that that was all

[02:13:07] yeah, really good and really fun.

[02:13:08] And like no real complaints.

[02:13:10] Love the week.

[02:13:11] Really excited.

[02:13:12] We're off and running.

[02:13:14] Thanks for being

[02:13:14] my first guest, Rob.

[02:13:15] Sorry about the

[02:13:16] you know, the existential cry

[02:13:17] and the the fighting and dying.

[02:13:19] Yeah, I think I cried at one point.

[02:13:23] Are you OK?

[02:13:24] I feel like I'm Elmo right now.

[02:13:26] That's like literally all the time.

[02:13:27] Anyone can ever ask me.

[02:13:28] Are you OK?

[02:13:29] Yeah.

[02:13:30] Yeah, no, I'm good.

[02:13:31] OK, so great right now.

[02:13:32] I'm really loving the season.

[02:13:33] I feel like I'm in.

[02:13:34] Is Elmo a Titan or a rebel,

[02:13:36] do you think?

[02:13:38] I think Titan.

[02:13:40] A Titan of children's entertainment.

[02:13:42] Yep.

[02:13:44] Are any of the Sesame Street

[02:13:45] characters rebels?

[02:13:46] I mean, I don't have kids

[02:13:48] and I haven't watched Sesame

[02:13:49] Street in like 28 years.

[02:13:51] I feel like Ernie is more of a rebel.

[02:13:54] What about Cookie Monster?

[02:13:55] Cookie Monster, I think,

[02:13:56] is also a rebel.

[02:13:57] He's a rebel.

[02:13:57] He's a monster.

[02:13:58] Oscar the Grouch is a rebel.

[02:13:59] Rebel, very rebellious group.

[02:14:02] And Elmo the Titan pulls it all together.

[02:14:06] Yeah.

[02:14:06] Yeah.

[02:14:07] Let's do this with all pop culture.

[02:14:08] OK.

[02:14:09] No, Rob, what's going on with you?

[02:14:11] Tell the listeners what's happening.

[02:14:12] Oh, so much.

[02:14:13] Little show called The Traders going on.

[02:14:17] We have I know many different countries

[02:14:18] around the world have traders.

[02:14:20] We have traders.

[02:14:22] US season two has been going on.

[02:14:25] We have some survivors.

[02:14:26] We have big brother people.

[02:14:27] We have people from the challenge

[02:14:28] and the housewives.

[02:14:30] And it's all happening.

[02:14:32] And every Thursday I get together

[02:14:33] with Puja Zambekele.

[02:14:35] And we talk about it.

[02:14:36] We've got a traders feedback show

[02:14:38] going on as well.

[02:14:40] So be sure to check that out.

[02:14:42] And then it won't be long before

[02:14:44] we're talking about a brand new cast

[02:14:46] of Survivor 46 players.

[02:14:50] So we have 18 new players.

[02:14:52] We're getting ready to play

[02:14:53] Survivor 46 and Mike Bloom and I

[02:14:54] are going to be talking about them

[02:14:56] as soon as we're allowed to.

[02:14:58] Because while we're rebels,

[02:15:00] got to follow some rules, Shannon.

[02:15:02] You want to podcast as long as we have?

[02:15:04] You got to follow some rules.

[02:15:06] That's why you're the titans

[02:15:07] of podcasting.

[02:15:08] That's why you're the Titan.

[02:15:09] If you were the rebel,

[02:15:11] If we were the rebels,

[02:15:12] I guess we would be doing

[02:15:13] all these profiles and like a bit.

[02:15:16] But we got to wait.

[02:15:17] We're going to wait.

[02:15:19] Yeah.

[02:15:19] That's part of being a rebel.

[02:15:20] You got to know which rules you could break.

[02:15:23] And I think that is part of being a rebel.

[02:15:25] What is a rebel?

[02:15:26] Garak's a rebel and he's

[02:15:27] explicitly a cop.

[02:15:32] I think that that's going to get

[02:15:33] a bit this whole time.

[02:15:35] Like he's there to catch the rebels.

[02:15:36] It's a whole thing.

[02:15:38] You think he's undercover?

[02:15:39] It's like Donnie Proskow.

[02:15:40] That's what we thought.

[02:15:41] Maybe an undercover, undercover cop.

[02:15:43] They have to catch him.

[02:15:44] I don't know.

[02:15:45] I don't know.

[02:15:45] There's so much going on.

[02:15:47] I do also just want to take this moment

[02:15:49] mention that we have a great

[02:15:54] patron community of people who love

[02:15:56] all of these international reality shows

[02:16:00] from all around the world.

[02:16:01] It's a very nice thing

[02:16:02] that we have this community on

[02:16:04] Rob is a podcast where people from

[02:16:06] all over the world,

[02:16:07] Australia and the United States and Canada

[02:16:10] and really just people are everywhere

[02:16:14] and they all love survivor and the brother

[02:16:17] and the traders and all of these

[02:16:19] different formats and I like to think

[02:16:22] that we have a very nice place

[02:16:24] to all get together and discuss it

[02:16:27] and not be horrible and commiserate

[02:16:30] and talk about all of our favorites

[02:16:34] and all of the things on Rob is a podcast

[02:16:37] and we try to make it very easy

[02:16:39] for people to watch the international

[02:16:42] reality shows as well together

[02:16:45] when you go to Robiswebsite.com

[02:16:46] slash patron.

[02:16:48] Yes, very important for the people.

[02:16:50] Many people.

[02:16:50] Where do you watch it?

[02:16:51] I mean, those people are probably not

[02:16:52] here listening to this

[02:16:53] because people worked it out,

[02:16:54] but maybe it was hard for them.

[02:16:55] It could be easy.

[02:16:56] Yeah, could be easy.

[02:16:58] Yes.

[02:16:58] Yeah.

[02:16:59] And Janet, while I cannot promise

[02:17:02] that I will be always up to date,

[02:17:05] I am very into the season

[02:17:07] and at the very least,

[02:17:09] I will have to watch the show

[02:17:11] to keep up with your coverage.

[02:17:13] Oh, thank you.

[02:17:14] I thought you were going to say

[02:17:14] you'd have to watch the show

[02:17:15] to keep up on the treadmill.

[02:17:17] I really am liking it.

[02:17:19] It's really a very fun way,

[02:17:21] but I wanted to take notes.

[02:17:22] So I don't know if I need

[02:17:23] to be on the treadmill.

[02:17:25] You can just watch it on the treadmill.

[02:17:26] Mm hmm.

[02:17:27] Yeah.

[02:17:27] You can go on the bike.

[02:17:28] This is great.

[02:17:28] Yeah, I can watch it on the bike.

[02:17:30] Yeah, exactly.

[02:17:31] Well, I've got.

[02:17:33] Yeah, with what we so

[02:17:34] from a check-in perspective,

[02:17:35] like we'll see.

[02:17:36] I think that's how we might

[02:17:37] check in here and there,

[02:17:38] like might actually check in

[02:17:39] not what we were doing

[02:17:41] in the last year's check-in,

[02:17:42] which was just an hour

[02:17:43] and a half podcast every week.

[02:17:44] Well, that's just a

[02:17:45] less just a recap Rob.

[02:17:47] So we might check in.

[02:17:49] I've got a lot going on.

[02:17:51] Here are those things.

[02:17:52] Talking tribal.

[02:17:53] That's out with George and Chrissy

[02:17:55] episodes up on templates.

[02:17:56] Also up on YouTube.

[02:17:57] I've linked to that.

[02:17:57] So that's for any global fans.

[02:17:59] The podcast is coming.

[02:18:01] A lot of people ask

[02:18:02] me the podcast is actually

[02:18:03] the person who produces

[02:18:05] the podcast pushes them out

[02:18:06] in 10 had a bereavement

[02:18:08] and had to go overseas.

[02:18:09] So unfortunately, there's been

[02:18:10] some stuff in the back end there.

[02:18:11] It's definitely coming.

[02:18:13] But I recommend the show.

[02:18:13] We've got a new segment

[02:18:14] called Glory or Death.

[02:18:15] We have Guess Who boards.

[02:18:16] I sat on George's lap at one point.

[02:18:18] We're really doing a lot.

[02:18:21] Not because I don't know

[02:18:22] that made it sound worse than it was.

[02:18:25] Yeah, I mean, you should

[02:18:26] sound like there's

[02:18:27] is there a new cuddle crew?

[02:18:30] Well, I was trying to push

[02:18:32] him out of the hosting chair.

[02:18:33] So I don't know if that's

[02:18:33] like as much a cuddle crew thing,

[02:18:35] but I I was trying to host.

[02:18:38] I think that you guys

[02:18:38] should watch it

[02:18:39] rather than the podcast.

[02:18:40] I mean, I don't sit there

[02:18:41] in the makeup chair

[02:18:41] for you guys to listen to me.

[02:18:43] Right. So but yeah,

[02:18:45] the podcast will be coming out.

[02:18:46] The exit interviews are out.

[02:18:48] There's no Peter as mentioned

[02:18:49] because she was working.

[02:18:51] And like, that's fine.

[02:18:52] I guess for people in Australian

[02:18:53] survivors, she had stuff going on,

[02:18:55] but we did get Frankie and Jess.

[02:18:56] So that's already out.

[02:18:57] What else next week?

[02:18:59] As I mentioned, Nick

[02:18:59] will be here to bully me

[02:19:00] because it's so fun

[02:19:01] for everyone to do that.

[02:19:03] The events next week.

[02:19:05] Johnny Fairplay,

[02:19:06] the aforementioned

[02:19:06] Johnny Fairplay is coming to

[02:19:07] Australia for what

[02:19:08] should have been week one,

[02:19:09] but it's actually week two

[02:19:11] Monday night, Melbourne,

[02:19:12] Tuesday night, Sydney,

[02:19:13] I will be at both of those events

[02:19:15] in Melbourne and Sydney

[02:19:17] with a bunch of players.

[02:19:18] Wednesday night,

[02:19:18] there's no episode,

[02:19:19] but there's a Brisbane event

[02:19:20] where you can meet the players

[02:19:21] and they're going to talk

[02:19:21] about the show.

[02:19:23] So go to Georgia's Instagram

[02:19:25] for all of those details

[02:19:26] and hopefully I'll see

[02:19:27] a lot of you there.

[02:19:28] And then this is not

[02:19:29] going to be on video.

[02:19:30] Usually the recaps will be.

[02:19:33] That's what you can listen to.

[02:19:34] If you want the podcast

[02:19:35] for probably watching travel,

[02:19:36] this will be in the

[02:19:37] international survivor half of

[02:19:38] feet. So subscribe to that.

[02:19:39] So you don't miss anything.

[02:19:40] Follow me at

[02:19:41] channengage where I put out

[02:19:42] all that content.

[02:19:42] I'll probably do a bit of a

[02:19:44] wrap up post out this week

[02:19:45] because I don't want people

[02:19:45] to miss anything.

[02:19:46] There's so much going on,

[02:19:47] but put this on YouTube

[02:19:48] to tell you how YouTube people

[02:19:50] straightens survivors happening.

[02:19:51] Rob and I spoke about it

[02:19:52] this week and now

[02:19:53] I will speak about it

[02:19:54] exits every week,

[02:19:55] recaps every week on

[02:19:56] Spotify, Apple.

[02:19:57] Maybe you get your podcast

[02:19:58] talking tribal every week.

[02:20:00] That'll be on YouTube.

[02:20:02] Listen to the things.

[02:20:03] Watch them do what

[02:20:04] is what can be done.

[02:20:06] And that's my whole

[02:20:07] that's everything I have.

[02:20:08] Well, Shannon,

[02:20:10] you're off to an amazing

[02:20:11] start once again.

[02:20:14] Thank you.

[02:20:14] Such an honor to get to talk

[02:20:16] about the show with you.

[02:20:17] It's fun.

[02:20:18] I had a good time.

[02:20:19] I love hearing you

[02:20:20] break this all down.

[02:20:22] This was a fun week.

[02:20:23] I mean, it was

[02:20:23] it's hard strategically

[02:20:24] because there weren't

[02:20:25] there weren't a lot

[02:20:25] of marginal decisions.

[02:20:26] I thought everything

[02:20:27] was pretty clear cut,

[02:20:27] but it was fun to talk

[02:20:28] about it.

[02:20:29] And I love the season

[02:20:31] and I love that

[02:20:32] instead of talking about it,

[02:20:34] we talked about Barbie and

[02:20:36] and you know,

[02:20:37] we talked about it.

[02:20:38] This is a two hour

[02:20:40] and 15 minute podcast.

[02:20:42] And how many minutes of

[02:20:43] that hour with me

[02:20:44] googling different life

[02:20:45] expectancy.

[02:20:47] Yeah, like 20 30 minutes.

[02:20:49] That's it.

[02:20:50] That's it.

[02:20:52] We had fun.

[02:20:53] Yeah, I'm the host.

[02:20:53] I should be wrapping this up.

[02:20:54] Rob.

[02:20:55] Thank you so much.

[02:20:55] Did you have a good time?

[02:20:56] I had a great time, Shannon.

[02:20:58] I'm glad it's time for why.

[02:21:00] It really did.

[02:21:00] I really enjoyed this.

[02:21:01] Thank you so much for being here.

[02:21:03] Thank you to our team

[02:21:03] behind the scenes.

[02:21:04] Thank you to you all

[02:21:05] for listening fun season in store.

[02:21:06] I'm wrapping up,

[02:21:07] but I realize I have

[02:21:08] something else to say.

[02:21:09] I'll pause.

[02:21:11] The shows on Sunday now as well.

[02:21:14] I think it's important

[02:21:15] to tell the people.

[02:21:15] So it was Monday,

[02:21:16] Tuesday, Wednesday.

[02:21:17] It's going to be,

[02:21:18] as we said,

[02:21:18] Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

[02:21:19] And how long will it go on for?

[02:21:22] They have announced

[02:21:23] I'm a celebrity.

[02:21:24] Get me out of here from March 24th.

[02:21:26] Now they could change

[02:21:27] that date the week before,

[02:21:29] right?

[02:21:30] Maybe.

[02:21:30] But if that's the case,

[02:21:31] it seems like it will be

[02:21:32] three a week for eight weeks.

[02:21:33] Okay.

[02:21:33] Really wanted to give that information

[02:21:34] because people don't know.

[02:21:35] When is it?

[02:21:36] We don't know.

[02:21:36] Sunday night,

[02:21:37] Australian time.

[02:21:38] That's like a Sunday morning E.T.

[02:21:40] Monday night,

[02:21:40] Tuesday night,

[02:21:41] probably that consistently

[02:21:42] for eight weeks.

[02:21:43] I was wrapping up.

[02:21:44] Thank you all.

[02:21:45] Thank you to the team.

[02:21:46] Thank you to Rob.

[02:21:46] And I will see you guys next time.

[02:21:48] Bye.

[02:22:08] Yeah.

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