Survivor 50 Wish List | Season 46 with Taran Armstrong

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, Mike Bloom here. Before we get into today's final installment of the Survivor 50 Wish List,

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to make a quick announcement here at the top because the podcasts that you're about to get into,

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: at the time you recorded it, we didn't necessarily have a set day or time for our big wrap up ballot reveal.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The polls are open, whatever you want to call it.

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But I am very excited to announce that this Saturday, August 10th at 10 a.m. Eastern, 7 a.m. Pacific,

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: which is the usual time that the video versions of these podcasts have dropped on YouTube myself and Rob Cesternino will be coming to you live

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: as we will review who has currently made the ballot so far to our final round of wildcard picks

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and most importantly open the first round of voting to the fans.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I said first round of voting, but more about that as well as answers to I'm sure all the questions you have on Saturday

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: after this podcast is releasing on Thursday later in the day on Thursday or maybe even Friday.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll release another call to action for any last wildcards you might have anybody who didn't make the shortlist from the podcast

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that you want to see on the ballot.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So make sure you're tuned into my social media.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm putting it out on Twitter, on Reddit, on Facebook.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Let your voice be heard and maybe we'll talk about those picks with Rob on Saturday.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So again, this Saturday, August 10th at 10 a.m. Eastern, 7 a.m. Pacific, Rob and I will be live going through the ballot,

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: adding some names last minute and getting to finally open the polls for the vote.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Until then, enjoy today's podcast as we talk Survivor 46 with Terran Armstrong.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 wishlist podcast and offseason series.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to figure out who could and should come back for the upcoming

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: returning season of Survivor 50 and it has arrived folks.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We are at the end of the road.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We are discussing up to the point of recording the last season of US Survivor 2 air and it's a big one.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor 46, we've got a lot to get into.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very entertaining cast, but who among them will get picked to join the less than several choices

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we get to add onto this shortlist?

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We will see who won over a million hearts, including ours.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I did mention ours because it's not just me.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not me. It's us.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And look, if you've been following the series and you've seen me get together with so many illustrious

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor alumni and RHAP podcasters to not include this guy would be a big mistake.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I am so excited to pull him away temporarily from all of his wall to wall coverage inside

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the Big Brother walls of Big Brother 26.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Talk a little bit of a survivor.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It is, of course, the great Terran Armstrong.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello. Happy to be here.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think I made a little bit of a big mistake myself because Sam asked me what

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: season I would want to talk about.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, what's the easiest season to talk about?

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The most recent one.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I just watched it not realizing that then schedule wise, that would put me right in the middle of the Big Brother.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Technically speaking, it is still the most recent survivor season you watch, but quite

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: removed from when the question was first asked you.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So this will be truly your own memory test, Terran.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you've been studying those days all 26 of them, but this is an exciting opportunity

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: not only to talk about this cast and get to see who's going to make our shortlist.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But because you were doing a bit of coverage of other reality shows, getting to cover our

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: neighbors to the north in the final season of Big Brother Canada while we watched everyone

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: else's games go south in Survivor.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't really heard a lot of your opinions in a public facing way about Survivor

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: or 46. So put yourself back in the mindset of a young Terran Armstrong back in the end

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of May, 2024.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: What were your thoughts on this absolute whack-a-doodle of a season we experienced this year?

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I really liked it.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a fun season.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It felt like it felt like it was I think that a lot of people were feeling

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that survivor was feeling stale.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the that's the sort of vibe I was getting.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember talking to like Rob about it that like, man, like it's it's unfortunate

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: because like the new era kind of came in hot.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It felt like it was going well, but then it felt like the show was feeling a little

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: stale, but then also like the fans.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're just feeling a little bit like a little tired, a little bit like

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: we're just seeing the same stuff over and over.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think my favorite part about 46 with it was that it felt like the fan base

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: was excited again for survivor after the little Bono thing.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: After that, the fan base was excited about survivor again.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And and even though, you know, the ending I think caused some controversy

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and some back and forth, it was like impassioned sort of controversy discussion

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and it wasn't about like, oh, man, survivor stale.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It was about like, oh, man, I can't believe this happened on the show.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was very fun.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's been really interesting to look at like the sphere that survivor

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: has existed and how that sphere has kind of expanded over the past year.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It truly does feel like survivor has kind of reemerged into the popular

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: zeitgeist.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think part of the reason behind that is sort of this one to punch

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: of 45 and 46 and 46 especially.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I said it before, I'll keep saying it.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It is maybe one of the meaniest seasons of survivor ever and not

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: just a big brother 25 meaning where people were sometimes in the storage

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: room being like, I don't understand what all these people are doing.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: How are they so absolute wild personalities?

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But there are so many huge personalities and huge personality filled

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: moments that have gone viral that have been some of the more talked

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: about moments in the show in recent memory.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I mean, I joined the throng to say I was wildly entertained

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: by this season.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think part of the reason why is to your point, I think if

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: people feel that the new era is getting quote unquote stale in some way,

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: whether it be tone structure, past, etc.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think what everyone can kind of say is that survivor 46 instilled

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of old school elements into this new school survivor, namely

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: when it comes to conflict and animosity.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so interesting, especially going after 45 or especially

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: after the show, you see that it is one big love fest for the

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: most part that like these 18 strangers who were supposed

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to be put on a beach to compete against each other and bristle

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: against one another due to their personality types have fallen

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: into like pretty good lockstep with each other.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Not the case with survivor 46 and that was apparent from

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the jump that there are all of these big personalities that

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: are pretty much clashing from the first day to the last day.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And it is just watching with mouth a game every single week

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: as people make these wild decisions between, you know,

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: out of nowhere meltdowns between ridiculous games being played

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that then turn into strategic decisions from an unprecedented

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: streak of people going home with idols in their pocket and

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: culminating in this theme of people turning on their number

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: one allies and finishing with the biggest number one betrayal

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of them all, which is Maria not voting for Charlie in the

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: end and arguably denying him a million dollars in the

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: process. There was just so much bait into this season in my

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: opinion and goes to show that from a structural perspective,

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: which Taryn you always speak about as well in terms of

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: game design with big brother.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: This was a season that didn't know would be 90 minutes

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and so they plan for 60 and so you actually see from that

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: like split tribal council at the final 12 onward from

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: final 10 all the way to the finale.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There are no twists.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no journeys.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no risking your vote.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: There's not even the like, hey, one tribe loses all their

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: votes and then they have to get them back.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It is as clean survivor as we have gotten in quite a few

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: years and I don't think there's necessarily a lack of

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: causation there with people's enjoyment of the season.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And the lack of actual idol plays as well on top of that

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hadn't even really noted the lack of twists,

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think it definitely added to my enjoyment of the

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: season that it just did feel like straight up survivor.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I and I think also like to some degree, the extra

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: time maybe forced them to explain a little more what

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: was happening in the show or like I like the 90 minute

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: format generally.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think sometimes when they are like, I would say

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: in 45 with a plan for 90 minutes.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I still felt like that wasn't always going to the best

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: use because for me, my biggest complaint about survivor

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: in the modern era is that I want more explanation.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm coming from a big brother perspective where I have

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the live feeds and so I really don't like it when I

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: feel like things are happening that weren't explained

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to me and that I don't trust will be explained to

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: me ever because then I feel like I've lost.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I've lost the grounded feeling of like seeing these

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: people play and I feel like I'm watching more of a fantasy

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: show where anything can happen at any time.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I feel like 46 was a season that more so than

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: most in the modern era allowed me to follow the line

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: of strategy of like how these things actually happened,

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: what people are, you know, have relationships with

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: who and and it really worked for me.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm intrigued to see how this cast is going to reflect on

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the overall casting for 50.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously we're going to put ourselves in those shoes

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and put people on the shortlist in just a little bit,

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do feel like from again, like a popularity perspective,

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: some combination of 45 and 46 almost seems like the

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: kagayan to me of new era survivor where I feel like

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: to your point, I think it revitalized a good amount

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: of people's enthusiasm into the direction that survivor

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: ever was going much like kagayan did 10 years ago

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and kagayan had a large reflection on second chances

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: on even on something like game changers as an example

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: where that cast definitely lingered.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think similarly this is a cast that is full of

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: powerhouse characters and people that are just going

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: to do whatever they want to in the pursuit of winning

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: a million dollars and I am intrigued to see just

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: depending on what the theme is, how much of 46

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: are they going to be looking at when it comes to

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: filling their share of 50?

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's so difficult to predict obviously because

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: there are you know, this is the most recent season

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: right now, but by the time 50 comes around,

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: it's going to be a few seasons old and you know,

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 47, 48, 49 are all coming.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so and I think back to like who was in 43?

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know which one was 43 the Gables season.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: A blur to get to some friends parlance.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like that kind of feels a little bit far

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_02]: removed at this point.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So by the time 50 comes around, how far removed will

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: 46 feel?

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's like still within range that it will

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: feel like these are still fairly recent players

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: if anything, it's almost like in a decent sweet spot

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: where they don't feel too recent.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would expect that we see like a good amount of

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: representation, especially some from some like,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think very obvious.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's getting into said faces and see which ones

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: are obvious and maybe less so when it comes to picks

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and we start as we always have with our final three.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We have our second runner up zero vote finalist in

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben, our resident rock star.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We have our second place finisher, albeit a little

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: controversial in Charlie and we have our winner in the

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: form of Kenzie.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So allow me to get this out of the way, you know,

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: every once in a while on these newer podcasts,

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I talk about some new era contestants that are not

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: interested in playing survivor again, the vast majority

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: of them do, but we've spoken about it with people

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like Danny McCrae.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about it with Emily and the winner

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: of our season is another one of them at the time

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: we are recording this.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenzie has made it very clear basically from the

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: moment that that check cleared that at this moment,

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: this is something she does not want to do again.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of things that she ends up citing is some

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: frankly very frightening instances that have happened

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: in her real life of, you know, fans approaching her

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: at work sort of unprompted and I think it's sort

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: of that invasion of private life that is unfortunately

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of come part and parcel with the genre since

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it's roots that is something that really overwhelmed

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenzie in the moment.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: She's also pregnant and all that's going on on top

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: of now being really thrust into the public spotlight.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been something that she is eager to step out of

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: for a brief portion of time.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So for the sake of this, Terri and I am going to take

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: her for her word and say that I do not think

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: we should consider Kenzie when looking ahead for 50.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so too.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that I completely assumed that was the case

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: based on what I'd seen from her and it's very understandable

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: from so many different angles between the way that

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and you know, this is unfortunately not limited

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: to survivor or or Kenzie like this does happen fairly

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: often with the brother players and in all kinds

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of different reality show contestants.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And and that's I think like, you know, you hear it

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: from the people like even like Kenzie and I guess

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think Kenzie had a fairly positive edit

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and that maybe there is a little bit of like, oh, well,

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe Charlie should have one kind of stuff going on.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But like but like this can happen whether people

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: hate you whether people love you.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: There is definitely an invasion of privacy that can happen

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and and it's it's it's very it can be very uncomfortable.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And then on top of that, she's becoming a parent

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and obviously would want to focus on on that

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and having to deal with all of this other stuff on top of it.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think too, there is I unfortunately saw a lot of people

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of fans who don't really understand the perspective

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: of somebody who's like, well, this is a lot because it's like

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: what do you mean you were on TV?

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to make a dollar?

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you know?

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The you signed up for this crowd if you will.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think like, you know, I'm not going to be able to like

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: explain it fully to those people in this moment.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But like it is it's a lot more than I think you would expect.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot easier said than done to just be like, oh, well,

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: just don't use social media or whatever as though social

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: media isn't so extremely prevalent in our lives in every

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: portion of our lives.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And as though like, you know, it's as easy as just don't look

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: at Twitter or don't look at these places and the men the

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: psychological impact that something like that can have like,

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, there are places on the Internet.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not allowed to look at for my own mental health is kind

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of like a weird thing.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the assumption is, oh, well, these people are going

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to be saying shitty things about me.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that like that is an automatic guarantee.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It can be a really tough thing to reconcile.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And then and then that gets so much worse when it's like now

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: all of a sudden in my real life, I don't feel safe.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like I have a space around me that is not going

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: to potentially be invaded at any given moment is it can be

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: really mentally taxing.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I really wish Kenzie the best glad

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: she got her check and that she's, you know, gonna get

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: out of there and live for life.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, let's talk about somebody who did not get

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that check again to a lot of fanfare Charlie Davis.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So Charlie I would say amongst a cast of comic characters

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: was one of the more quite literal resident straight men

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: though he was very low key funny as well.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I still love that alphabet game seam where he just like

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: completely clowns on Q in that moment when he's trying

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: to play his game.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But Charlie was definitely personified as one of the

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: many more stable strategic forces throughout the entire

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: season where he is someone who seemed to really be in lockstep

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: with Maria until it got to a point where they basically

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: turned on each other.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: When Maria tries to turn on Charlie, he has the protection

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: of this army of goats as they've been talking about in

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: postseason press that ends up running it all the way down

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to the final four and for various reasons he ends up

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: losing.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Karen, we've got a blank space baby.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Are we writing Charlie's name in it?

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely a top contender.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the classic kind of I mean one vote away kind of deal

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and very memorable loss like having been betrayed by his

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: closest ally in the jury vote and he was also like a main

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: character of the season.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's also for what it's worth like at least a

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: top of head like I can't really think of somebody who's

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like seriously competing for his archetype kind of spot, which

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: is a little weird to say given you know.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm like guy but like the ones we've been talking

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: about were really it seems to be like him Carson and Drew

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: from season 45.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But I would say that maybe it's due to recency bias or

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe it's due to again this very separate storyline of like

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Charlie needing this redemption in a manner of speaking.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He definitely has the strongest story to return out of the

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: three of them.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I thought about Drew too.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But like the thing about Drew for me is that he feels so

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: different like like Drew just has such a different energy

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: than Charlie.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I could absolutely imagine them both on a cast and not

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: feeling like we have two of the same person by any means

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and so like like I just there aren't a lot of people

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: weirdly in my in my mind that like give me Charlie

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: vibes.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like he he's definitely has a very strong chance

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of story redemption archetype right now.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, main character energy.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it all kind of works for him and he's still very

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: young.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, just graduated law school as well basically

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: right after the finale air.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll also be intrigued to see what Charlie would be

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: perceived as if he played again in 50 because it

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: will film only a year after the 46 finale aired and we

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: talked about this a bit with like game changers and

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Aubrey as well right someone that was seen as one of

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: the big strategic power players ends of controversially

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: losing there in second place and then comes back and

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe on paper the reputation proceeds them but

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Aubrey was able to make it all the way to fifth

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: place despite the fact that she had that working

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: against her and depending on who Charlie is up against

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: as well no matter what the theme might be.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has the chance again.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: His personality is pretty you know stable again.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's someone that necessarily pops out

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: immediately as we got to go for Charlie right now on

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the beach like he seems like a good guy to partner

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: up with just got to watch out down the line and

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in both ways of last person will speak about here

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: in the final three is Ben.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Ben been with someone that clearly struggled

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot out there from a cognitive perspective with panic

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: attacks seemingly like waking him up pretty much every

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: night where he you know we open the season with

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: someone not sleeping for a week and we basically

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: close it out with Ben not sleeping for a week.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like his storyline kind of got concluded

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: with that surprise win in the final immunity

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: challenge where he once again didn't get sleep

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but was like the only person surprisingly to not

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: falter at this big new final immunity challenge.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean listen I think Ben's presence would be

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: welcome again.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I love this cast and I would honestly not be terribly

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: surprised if like we see I don't know maybe 16 out

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: of these 18 people come back in some way shape or form

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: depending on what the theme is and how much production

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: loves this season but for me especially when we have

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to winnow it down to a short list it does feel

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: like Ben's relatively quiet edit and the fact that

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it does feel his story concluded within the season

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: puts him relatively low on the list for me

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: of chances to return.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I completely agree.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think like when I'm thinking about possible

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: returning players I think about like how compelling

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: are they how likable are they and I think Ben is

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: a really likable and compelling guy given that fact

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: he got a really quiet edit which tells me like

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: he's a really likable compelling guy and yet

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: that was the best they felt they could do with

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: him tells me they're probably not that interested

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: in bringing it back.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I encourage people to check out his deep dive

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: with Rob as well if you want a bit more perspective

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: as to maybe some of the stuff that didn't make the

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: edit and the game that was being played outside of

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the lead Zeppelin lyrics being quoted so be sure

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to check it out but unfortunately Ben I know

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you'll be saying that does not rock to the verdict

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that we have carried out for you but check out

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: his band they're currently on tour.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move into this jury Taren because we got

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot to talk about within this group.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a group of three Nami that went from

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: surprisingly running the tribe one of the most

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: dominant tribes in survivor history in the pre-merge

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: to going out one two three because everyone pretty

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: much targeted each other in our first juror Soda

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: our actor turned big social threat in Tevin and

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: the first I should actually say the second of many

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: people to go out with an idol in their pocket

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: in one of our like golden boys MacGyver's of the

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: season in Hunter then we get one of our Yanu three

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: out here in the form of the first person to find

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the idol certainly a personality in her own right

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: between her friendship turned rivalry with Q in Tiffany.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We have one of the most outspoken people of the cast

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: if not in recent survivor history going from outcast

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: of Nami to cast out with an idol in her pocket

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in Venus. We have the enigmatic character that is Quintavius

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Q bird debt. We have some even heard this before in a new

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: era season the odds on threat to win who gets voted out

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: at the beginning of a finale in Maria who leaves

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of despite going out on a big positive

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: fanfare perhaps leaves a little bit of a different

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: no to do to her jury vote for Kenzie and of course

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: we have our fallen angel and if I'm describing Q

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: as an enigma Liz is just like an absolute riddle rumored

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: billionaire she who is of a one of the most iconic

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: meltdowns in survivor history forever cementing Apple

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: B's as like something that will be forever linked with

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: this show but Taryn I have to start a discussion

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of the jury here with someone like Q when I came into

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: this entire experiment for me especially looking at new

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: era seasons no matter what the format was going to be

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: there was always going to be a Mount Rushmore to me of new

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: era players that will at least get asked to come back

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: whether or not they say yes and for me that would be

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Shan it would be Carolyn it would be Jesse and it would

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: be Q because I mean I'm just going to throw it to you

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: here because I want to hear your thoughts on this man

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I mean Q is the biggest no brainer I think of

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the modern era I think there's nobody who is more of a lock

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of getting the ask then Q I think like you mentioned

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: a couple and I and I don't disagree but Q is the most

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: recent right now and such a compelling character he is

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: is this very I think unique combination of extremely

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: funny character like he has like every angle of what you

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: want we're like he's very unintentionally funny because

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you can laugh at him a lot but at the same time he is

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: very intentionally funny as well so like you know he's

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: doing the Q skirt he's you know doing these like big

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: thing you know strategic things but then you can also

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of feel like well what are you doing Q why are

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: you threatening to quit the game so you have both

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: angles you have both of those things in terms of character

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but then also he's a very active strategic player who has

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: some decent ideas and you know maybe actually had a shot to

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: do some interesting things in the game while also being

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: a complete disaster strategically so he has both

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: of those things that he's literally everything that

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: you want usually it takes four different characters

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: or different players to add up to a Q but he's all

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: of them combine and on top of that he's like super good

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: looking and and and still very young and still like I would

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: imagine the biggest difficulty is like is he willing to do

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: it again you certainly seemed passionate about it but I know

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like got like billions of dollars or whatever stuff

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you know I only needs it but like it seems like the biggest

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: no-brainer of all yeah I mean it'd be interesting because

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Q is someone that went public after see it has decided to step

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: away from giving out seasonal fan favorite prizes to say

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing the Q money now fans can tell me who to give the

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: money to but the thing is ordinarily that be like okay

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: now that means that Q wouldn't compete on a season because

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: now he's going to like sit back and dole out the funds

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you know be a little bit of a donor from that perspective

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so I think Q would go on survivor again

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and ask fans please vote for me to give myself $20,000

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean how funny would that be

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he is just just an absolute incredible character like you

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: said he really is everything in the survivor alphabet contained

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: in one letter and you've got a great point as well and that

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously Q has a lot of funny moments I think he is such

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: a great confessionalist so animated such an interesting

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: way of saying things obviously leaving with a bunch of

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: catchphrases big mistake y'all can cancel Christmas etc.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But there are also these moments like him you know feeling

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: like he struggled for the umpteen time and a challenge

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and standing by himself saying why must my road be the

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: hardest and like him reflecting back on his Friday

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: night lights moment complete with the sound effects

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and everything I don't think he was playing that up

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and yet what's interesting is it really did seem like

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: for the first half of the game Q is in one of the best

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: spots that seemed like from the young new perspective

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone was feeding information to him he was the one

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that was making the decisions and then literally all it

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: took was getting some food in him after merge a Tory

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and this man just went off in a complete other direction

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: where like he built the six but then is immediately

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: targeting people from the six he's doing the Q skirt

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: he's playing games of hide and seek was actually using

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that as a test he is making a big gesture to quit

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: during tribal council was just completely flummoxes

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and frustrates everybody and Taren you talk about big

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: brother a show that is different in structure in that

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: there are usually only two targets in a given week of

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: big brother to low key made the end game like a season

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: of big brother he was the pond star where every week

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it was all right this time I think we're going to vote

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Q out finally but for some reason somebody said no

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: we can pick him up we can get rid of him another

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: time to the point where he was being used as a tool

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to let people get voted out with idols in their pocket

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: only for Q to get voted out with an idol in his Q skirt

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: it is just incredible storytelling I think that also

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: gives him a lot of a second chance narrative as well

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I will be intrigued to see I mean we saw coach for

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: example like once he kind of realized what people

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: were we're kind of glimpsing from his character

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: he kind of doubled down on that to the point of maybe

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: artificiality I would be intrigued to see how much

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: of that is going to be on Q's mind going into a second

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: season is he going to come in with like big mistake

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: merch from the beginning and think more about that

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: than the money even though he claims he doesn't need

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the money anyway but no matter what it's a slam dunk

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: piece of casting for me.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I think you know personally I think Q

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: is more self aware than coach was so I think

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that will help and I think he's just I just think

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: he's an editor's dream because you can make you can

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: literally make Q anything you want him to be and

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that's what editors want and I don't say editors

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: any producers but like that's that's what you want

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: in a character because they want to be able to tell

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever story they want to tell and it's so easy

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: to be like he's a mastermind.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: No he sucks at the game.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's really really funny guy.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No you're just laughing at him like you can do

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever you want with with Q and I think

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: that's that's you know they're gonna they love

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: that.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a wealth of choices in front of us Terrence

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you want to move up or down from Q here.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll follow your lead.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: All right well let's talk about Maria here because

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about this before with bringing back

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: people like Shannon record with bringing back

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: people like Jesse and Cody.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly feel like they be living leaving money

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: on the table if they did not at least consider

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: bringing back Charlie and Maria because there

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is so much to pick up from there.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They were the strongest pair in the game.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They were the ones who were glimpsing at Rome

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: on fire all around them being like why is everyone

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: turning on their number one ally somehow Maria

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and Charlie are the only ones that understand

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that you need numbers to get to the end only

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: for inevitably the sickness to get to them

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: at a certain point they have that awesome scene

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: where they're like both sitting on the boat

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and like shaking hands and talking about how

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: tough it is that they have to get rid of everybody

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: else while they're also in confessionals saying

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: they have to get rid of each other and it ends

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: amicably in the moment at the final five.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Then Maria for a variety of reasons chooses

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: to vote for Kenzie instead which again makes

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the vote 523 the rumor is that Ben would have

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: voted for Charlie at least in a tie and meaning

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that that seems to be one of the key votes

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that Charlie lost on that would have given

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: him the win and Charlie and Maria

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: have both communicated that in the months

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: following the season and especially I think

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: in reengaging in some of the things that happened

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: there towards the end that they are you know

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: cordial with one another but I do not necessarily

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: think that the uncle Charlie family moniker

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: is being doled out anymore outside of that

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Maria is somebody that was a sizable

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: character to you know she is the oldest person

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: on this season but I think again much like

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: we've seen a bunch in this new era was kind

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: of able to subvert that I was able to be again

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the person to beat towards the end and some

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: would argue were it not for a little bit of a

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: bending of the rules in the challenge where

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: she goes out she would have made it to final

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: four fire making where she probably wins

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that and who knows you know that's the

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: fun thing about this season as well as I

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like even the most perfect players

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: were messy we can never forget Maria deciding

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that Q and Liz should do a game of rock

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: paper scissors to figure out who should go

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: on reward despite the fact that Q had just

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: memorably gone to Applebee's and so I do

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: think the Maria brings a lot by herself as

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: a character but I also feel like there is

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: just so much appeal and bringing her back

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: alongside Charlie and seeing what face to

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: of that relationship looks like.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't disagree.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that my initial instinct when

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: thinking about Maria was how I felt about

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: her edit in the season because again like

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I I'm trying to get into the headspace of

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: like the producers and how they feel about

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: these people and when I feel like they're

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: underusing somebody in a season that's

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: like not the best sign for me that they're

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: looking to bring them back and I personally

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: felt like Maria was underused throughout

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: season 46.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I you know when when she has the late

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: surge in the edit it wasn't super convincing

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to me because I felt like she had been so

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: under the radar for so much of the season

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: they've been giving the spotlight to Charlie

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: over her for so long that when she started

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to step into the spotlight I was like this

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: feels a little bit like a misdirect to me

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think it was and so you know

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the question in my mind then is did

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: they just feel like she wasn't compelling

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: enough to be showing throughout that portion

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: for them in terms of the story they

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: wanted to tell or was it intentional

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to make sure that we were on Charlie's

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: side at the end of the season because

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Charlie makes it further so like you

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: know if that's the case I think there's

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: plenty of you know there's probably

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: plenty of room that the producers see

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: with Maria as a character and then you

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: do have as you pointed out the compelling

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: story of if you bring them both back

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like how does that work like do we

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: get some drama there are they going

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: to work together pretend to work

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: together target each other there's all

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: kinds of different storylines you can go

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: there and so I don't know I don't

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that like I think of survivor

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02]: as a show that tends to do like rivalries

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: all that much yeah I mean we did a little

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: bit of a deep dive into the casting

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: surprisingly of heroes versus villains

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: with Steven Vishback and like there

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: were some there right Colby and Jerry

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you know if Sierra from Token jeans

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: was supposed to make the season her

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and Tyson you know it it seems like

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: there is a little bit of it so I think

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it also again depends on how much are

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01]: they trying to bring new era into this

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like if it's specifically half and

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: half and they're only limited to like

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 new era players at most yeah

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it might not necessarily make the cut

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: if they end up casting closer to like

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: 1213 14 new era people there might

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: be some room to address that but I

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: also say on top of me saying in previous

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast oh they should bring Shannon

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and Ricard back oh they should bring Jesse

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and Cody back you know one of these

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: pairs wouldn't necessarily make it on

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: there unless it was a rival steam season

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and I do think there are a lot

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: of options to choose from when it comes

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: to these like front runners that got

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: voted out in the finale as you said

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: where it feels like like that's a character

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that they basically try to build up

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: every season at this point

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and so so that's another like kind of

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: point against her I think

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she's definitely an option

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: but she's probably not super high

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: if I'm trying to like predict this here

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: let's talk about Liz one of the most

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: unique people that has ever played

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor and I'm just speaking about

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: her list of allergies of course

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Liz comes in and is relatively quiet

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: basically in the first part of the game

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Nami is not going to tribal council

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and she is just kind of being shown as

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody that's a bit of the quirkier

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: personality where she is telling everybody

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: about the fact that she makes so much

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: money at home when she later reveals

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_01]: was a guys to get her drag to the end

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: as a go where then she can kind of go

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: mask off at the final tribal council

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and be like look at my bank statements

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a single mom of course I'm not

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a millionaire she nearly gets there

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but finish is just short and again

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it's probably most remembered for

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that Applebee's tirade of tearing into

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Q something that went viral on TikTok

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly something that is one of the

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: most well remembered parts of this season

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and I go back and forth because like

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I would always want more Liz Wilcox

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: on my screen because again

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I never know what she's going to do

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: at any point in time

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: on the other hand we have talked in

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: this process about certain characters

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that could kind of be left

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: in that season as like

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you had your time in the spotlight

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was absolutely wonderful

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but I am good with where we finished it

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: there and I feel like Liz might be that

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: for me with her tragically losing

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_01]: fire making due to the extended

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: ligaments in her arms.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so the thing for me is

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and maybe you can help me with this

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: if I'm thinking about like

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_02]: who is the character that they're casting

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: for this season

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: who is the like

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: goof the one that's going to give them

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: some goofiness the one where they can put

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like a different job title

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: under their lower third every time

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: they show up on the screen

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: or a different wealth level

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe who is going to like

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: hopefully give them some

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: some drama potentially

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: who's and Liz also was like

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: somebody who's actively playing

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the game as well

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: which again I think is always helpful

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and so for me

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and again I'm just

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to go vibes based here

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I I can't really think of a new era player

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: that fits that archetype better than Liz.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean I think

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Carolyn is probably the next best in that

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: here's someone who has

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: has this quirky personality

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know makes a lot of soundbites happen

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but even more so than Liz

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think was one of the main movers

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and shakers of the season.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I see I almost

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think Carolyn didn't ping for me

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: because in my head

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: she's more player

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like she's definitely a big character

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and I do I think you're right

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: if somebody is to take Liz's spot

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: it's probably Carolyn

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: but I definitely saw her as more intertwined

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: with like the main story

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and the main gameplay

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think you

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you've convinced me that

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Liz is not quite

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe as

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: obvious a choice

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: if they are looking for that

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that specific spot.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move to the other side of Q

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: here.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We got to talk about Venus

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: V nice as it were

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was not necessarily a nice time for her

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: out there from the beginning

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Venus felt like

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she was not vibing with the Nami tribe

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: at certain points

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: thought that she was purposely

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: being kind of held at arms length

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: by the rest of her group.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So when she finally gets the chance to play

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: at the merge

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: unfortunately that reputation

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of carries over into this new group of people

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: where

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_01]: she gets targeted in these first couple of votes

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but she does get picked up as kind of a person

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: by some of these bigger players

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: as things go down the stretch

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but regardless of the position that she was in

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Venus was always going to let us

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and the players know how she felt

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: about them.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think a lot of the aspects of

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: this this old school survivor that people are talking

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: about is really represented in somebody like Venus

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: both on and off screen.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like Venus

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: yet again is one of these lightning in a bottle cast members

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that I think especially again in a modern day

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: where people might

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: unfairly my opinion but still kind of decried like

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the two nicey nice stuff going on

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: from the new era in particular.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean this was the season that brought back spicy Jeff

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and it felt like

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Venus is kind of the whole spice cabinet

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: in the stuff that she was saying about people both to their faces

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: in confessional and online as well.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think the only thing that might not put Venus

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in consideration would be that

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: she was quite open at points on social media

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and and quite messy and there might be some worry as to like

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: okay

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: are you going to spill some stuff?

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to indicate too much

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: on social media because of your pension to kind of just

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like reflexively react to things

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but listen, we've had previous survivor players

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: post pretty flagrantly on social media during their season

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and get called back for subsequent seasons.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's necessarily anything to completely

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: count out Venus from coming back a second time.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do think you're right to flag it.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that especially in the modern era

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: production has been very tight fisted about like

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: wanting to control the narrative more

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: wanting to limit the amount of press that people are able to do

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and wanting to keep things under wraps as much as possible.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they are very aware of how

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: much more mess can come from an all-star season.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a prior relationships.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Things get really weird sometimes

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and you know, I do think that they might fear somebody

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like Venus who's willing to just like spill things

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's one thing to be messy online.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's another to just like

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: say things that they might not want to be said online.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This is two different kinds of things.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that is not

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I do not like this policy that they seem to have developed.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that does not impact her chances

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: because I think she would be very fun on an all-star season

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and she also seems to for what it's worth get along with a ton of alumni.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we may even see a slightly different Venus.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The only other I think potential negative that I saw

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: again, if I'm looking at the edit,

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it felt like they weren't sure what to do with her once her feuds ended.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She kind of fades into the background

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: after like, you know, Tevin leaves essentially maybe

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe after Hunter leaves.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that wouldn't be much.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I remember her kind of being absent for a couple of episodes.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even her boot episode kind of felt like, whoops, she's gone.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's maybe a little concerning

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're a producer and you're thinking about like,

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: if I want Venus on the cast,

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: are we going to be able to get consistent content from her from our.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, when I say that like, that's I'm trying to get into their heads.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Venus is great content always.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. But if they're not doing something with the player,

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: it indicates to me that they may not think

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: of that player as much in a future season.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I mean, I think what Venus and Q would do as well is like,

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: this is by far the most chaotic season of the new era,

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: just with again, everything that was happening in every single episode

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and the unpredictability of it.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think two of the agents behind that were people like Q and Venus

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that you just never knew what they were going to say

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and how they were going to react in any portion of time.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You do bring up an interesting point in that.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Venus has been going to these events during the course

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: of her season and does seem to get on well with a lot of new other

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: new era people as well.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So it would be interesting to see her come in and possibly have

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: more friends than you may think considering the contentiousness

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: which her season happened.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Or could it just be an opportunity for her to start new rivalries?

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's to say?

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's to say?

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to keep moving down here and talk tip with you, Terence,

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: for someone who gets into tips to Tiff herself.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I've said it so much now that it doesn't mean feel like

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: she's underrated feels like she's just rated.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I love Tiffany.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I've loved Tiffany ever since I got the chance to talk with

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the cast out there and she and I were just vibing.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I love her boldness.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that she told me in our interview that her hot take

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: was that she doesn't know why people don't know how to shut

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the f up and shouldn't tell anyone about their advantages

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: only for her to find the first idol in the game

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and then basically immediately tell Q and Kenzie about it.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's the fact that she is willing to make these

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_01]: these big and bold claims and sit on that confidence.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And to your point about the Q edit sometimes be wrong about it,

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but like that's what we love about survivor players is the

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: ability to swing with the bad and not necessarily wait for

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the perfect pitch at the perfect time.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Tiffany I think is also a pretty underrated personality.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think in a cast that is full of big characters and a lot

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: of comic moments.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Tiff is the person who brought us up.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Stop making the block hot as she's trying to encourage

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Bono from having yet another meltdown at tribal council.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: She's the one who has that reaction when Bono does the

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: million hearts quote of like if he wants to win a million

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: hearts, he can volunteer like Tiffany had I think a little bit

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: of that that frankness to her and you know, the

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: porosity that I really enjoy in survivor player.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: She obviously has the ability to find idols.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She has the risky behavior to also sit on said idols

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: to her detriment and again, she has the capacity to not

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: only build up bonds, but clearly not be afraid to speak

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: her mind when she feels those bonds get crossed as we show

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01]: with like her and Q being thick as thieves.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But then getting to the point where the two of them are

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_01]: getting in arguments at opposite sides of the line

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: right before a reward challenge like I think Tiffany

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_01]: brings so much and I maybe I'm just willing into existence.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I could see this where maybe from a producer's perspective

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: she's not like her the top characters that come to mind

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: when you think of the season, but I think she would be

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_01]: a really good returning.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I do too.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Tiffany should be a top choice.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I worry that she's not.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the you know, as you said underrated personality

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think that's probably the problem.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that she has a ton of personality.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She was a great character on the season, but she's

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: a great character who I think gets a little lost in the

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: shuffle on a season with Q and Liz and Venus.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think for that reason, it might be harder to like

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: pinpoint Tiffany from that when you're thinking of good

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: characters.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Luckily she was also really great strategically, but I do

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: think she faces a lot of competition in that spot.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: This kind of like mid jury really promising player spot

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_02]: that I think a lot of seasons have a Tiffany.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean specifically the place she goes out

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: of final eight, that's like where she goes out, where

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: hi goes out, where Franny goes out.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's a lot of competition there.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And so she has recency which is helpful.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But with that recency comes a season where there are

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: so many other big characters and I think that hurts her.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she would be such a great pick to bring back

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and I and I hope that they are considering her.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I yeah, I'm just I'm worried they may not completely agree.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Hunter.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So Hunter is somebody who was definitely talked about

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: especially in comparison to someone like Jonathan as one

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: of the best challenge beasts of the new era.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody that just like was not necessarily presented as

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like this whole gang giant physical superhero, but

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: was just really good at these challenges.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's the one who was able to pull off something

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: with physics.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He is a science teacher where they're had they have to go

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: over this like big rolling pin in the water and he just

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: comes up with the idea of like hold Tevin over and I'll

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: just use the momentum to pull myself over as well.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He is somebody that is really good at like those carnival

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: game as endings to challenges where there's like landing

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: sandbags.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He of course was somebody who didn't necessarily 3D print

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: game puzzles but ran survivor games for his students.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So he had an entire warehouse basically his own challenge

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: graveyard full of challenges he's done in the past that

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously gave him a lot of aptitude and hell he also

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: shows that despite you all saying that the get a grip

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: challenge is why you don't see elephants running up trees

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_01]: despite being the biggest guy Hunter crush the

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: competition in that type of challenge or so even shows

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_01]: from like an individual perspective.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He is somebody that can surprise on top of that.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He is able to find the re hidden idol and yes it does look

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_01]: foolish in the moment with him going out despite the fact

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that he was objectively told hey you're close to satellite

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: left your next he has said in postseason press that he

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: was trying to like figure out the numbers and basically

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: thought he kind of skirt past it.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't want to necessarily Tyson and heroes versus

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_01]: villains himself out of the game by playing it.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately those numbers were not accurately predicted

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and he ends up getting blindsided here.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my major reservation about Hunter Taren because

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think he is someone that production would really keep

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: in mind especially as a display as well of the meta

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: aspects of someone that was able to benefit from getting

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: involved with a form of survivor prior to coming on

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the show is honestly are him and Jonathan competing for

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: the same spot.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the biggest problem is that he this

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: is again is an archetype that's facing some some hefty

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: competition and you know is it possible that both him

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and Jonathan get on the cast.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think that's possible.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Have you tried do you want to put one of them on each tribe.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah maybe but like I do think Jonathan is the stronger

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: pick if you're thinking about production literally.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah viewpoint because yeah just visually he fits that

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: archetype a little better you know when Jonathan is

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: literally carrying his tribe across the water or

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever like that's a little more sort of like visually

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: stimulating than like Hunter coming up with a clever way to

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_02]: solve the game.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The challenge Jonathan is also a more abrasive character

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to give you more drama like Hunter is a pretty

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_02]: laid back chill kind of guy the only drama that came

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: out of him was like pulled out of him by Venus and so

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: as a character I don't think you're getting as much and

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think there's still an appeal there I think

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the reason why a lot of Hunter fans are Hunter fans is

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_02]: because he's laid back and not very high drama but but when

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: you're then choosing between him and Jonathan if you are

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that like the producers are going to pick

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan most of the time and so that's definitely going

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: to be a big hurdle for him.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk Tevin shall we you could tell that survivor

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: loves Tevin I mean the first thing we get in

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor 46 is Tevin delivering a monologue about what

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor is he is providing the thesis statement of the

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_01]: show he has heard describing this instead of someone like

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff who ordinarily does the narration even in the on fire

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast you know Jeff during 46 would like go back to his

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: casting notes on each of these people and had so many

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: kind words for someone like Tevin and that to me

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_01]: buoys his chances of getting on the season because look he

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: does finish in a 10th place which certainly there are people

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: that we have put on this list who have finished that way

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_01]: or even before it but I also would say like again there

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: are so many other huge chaotic personalities that stand

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: out in this cast and despite Tevin being this incredibly

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: animated person that you know was born for the stage

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it does feel like his edit kind of gets tamped down a

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: little bit.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he has this big thing where he decides in the moment

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_01]: all right you know what it's time for me to turn on soda soda

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: gotta go to it's time for me to take a drink of that that

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: delicious blindside beverage once that's what tribal

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_01]: council happens but I would say like if we're looking back

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_01]: on the course of the season.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Tevin I love talking with him out there he was

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: my winner pick and he's incredibly memorable to me.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder how memorable he would be to bring back

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but considering again how much the show really love this stuff

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that he was bringing I would not be surprised in the least

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: if he ends up showing up on a return he sees it.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree I think you know like I think there are a lot of

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: obvious drawbacks in terms of like his placement and how far

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: he was sort of away from a lot of the episodes but yeah

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: he's definitely somebody that I could see popping up for

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: sure I think he's an option for this season.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about his former partner in crime before they

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: ended up turning adversaries I suppose in the form of soda

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_01]: soda also has this really unique edit in that she is

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: someone who is presented as you know a very animated person

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: as well and so her and Tevin you know despite becoming

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_01]: almost competitors later are really in lockstep for the

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_01]: beginning there to the point where they alongside Hunter

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of run the Nami tribe throughout the pre-merge but

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: then there's also this like pseudo rivalry between her and

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Venus where there's the stuff involving a soda snatching

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the idol or you know nobody listening to Venus when her

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: foot got run over by a card or Venus accusing soda of voting

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: against her at the Mergetory Tribal Council like the two

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of them were never able to get on the same page and

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: culminates with Venus being able to get the segas on her

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01]: side to get rid of soda again I think soda is a really fun

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_01]: personality and I would not be surprised at the show brought

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_01]: her back because she is somebody that clearly was doing

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of wheeling and dealing and I think one of the

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: other reasons why she goes is that she was presented

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: as somebody that could win the game that's why

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Tevin targets her but I do think that there are other

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_01]: people in the new era that I could see in this

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: archetype above soda who ends up becoming our first juror.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think I would be a little surprised to see

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: soda to be honest. I think it just in terms of how much

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: screen time she had on the season. It felt like we got

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: just enough to see that she was like a big figure as a

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: target and not really enough to really understand who she

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: is as a person and I think she even if I'm recalling

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: correctly had some complaints about her edit as well

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_02]: which I think are perfectly valid thoughts and feelings

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: to have and unfortunately I think production does not

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like when you complain about your edit so I can't imagine

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that that has helped her though I certainly wouldn't

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: want to discourage people from complaining about

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: the red X I think they should regardless of how the

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_02]: fans may feel about it. I think edits are very bad

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: thing coming from a brother perspective.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So but I think there are a few things working against her

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: on top of like her placement here and so I would be a little

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: surprised to see soda. We're not like incredibly surprised

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but maybe a little surprise.

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I will let's move into this pre jury group and we have

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: amongst us working our way down from the top. We have

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we talked about the spice cabinet but we've got a

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_01]: spicer himself in the form of Tim. We have our

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_01]: merge a Tory boot in the form of Mariah Gainer can't jump.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We have our first person voted out with an idol in her pocket

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_01]: in the form of Gem. We have of course the one the only

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: banu that whether you know you have your differing

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: opinions on it was pretty much the show for episodes

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: three and four. We have a guy that was Medivac one

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: of the most out of nowhere reasons ever in random

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: who ended up like pinching a nerve to point that it

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: required getting Medivac to get actual immediate treatment

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: for and then we have our first two boots here from

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yannu the disaster tribe that were unfortunately kind of

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: served up with how disastrous their time ended up being

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: over the course of the season. We have our aunt Queen

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Jess Teran we got to start with David freaking

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Jolinsky because it has been a long time and not since

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: rain but are you even before that since like they night

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_01]: have we seen a first boot have such a name recognition

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: impact on this season as someone that was there for

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the infamous I'm pretty sure seven meets several Jeff

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_01]: moment. I had no idea of the continual afterlife

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that would have even through to its offline days.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean I'll say straight up I think there are two

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: people in this list of players that I think are worth

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of like that have an actual shot and I think the

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: others probably don't and Jolinsky is one of them.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that weirdly as the first boot I think that they

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_02]: were very tickled by several they used it in their episode

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: titles Jeff brought it back a few different times on

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_02]: top of that he's clearly like such a character and a huge

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: fan of the show definitely would be willing to come

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_02]: back. It's like my second shot my several shots whatever the

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: case may be it's a bit of a wildcard pick like not too

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: dissimilar from David Alexander showing up on Big Brother

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: 22. Yeah, like exactly like I don't think the odds are high

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: necessarily but like I do think I do think there's absolutely

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: a chance that Jolinsky shows up on our screens at some

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: point if it's not 50 maybe another time but like yeah,

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's definitely a shot. Yeah, because not only

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that he goes out to say he flamed out would be an

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: understatement this is a guy who quits the sweat task over

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_01]: like again maybe a basic misdefinition of a word slash

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like it was just too much of a struggle. He was the one

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: who gets sent to on a journey and then in a game of

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: basically bluffing decides the only way to win is not to

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: bluff and loses his vote in the process. There is even

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_01]: more stuff that happened that didn't make the episodes

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like he cut up his feet. He found out he was allergic

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: to coconut. He lost his water bottle like the first tribal

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: council was just absolutely wild and so I think if they

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: were especially able to do like a returning season that

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: was pre-merge versus post-merge like he would be a

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: shoe in on the pre-merge tribe for me just because

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_01]: there was so much potential there and I mean he's

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: bound to do better right or has the path that

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Francesca laid an outcome that has to be repeated.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it matters. I think that's the beauty of

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_02]: bringing Jalinsky back.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He is the monster and we know the monsters always return

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in monster movies somehow. I'm going to take a bold

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: guess and say the other person that you think would be

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: considered by production would be Bono.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think Bono is the other option.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah for many reasons again. I think there are a lot

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_01]: of understandable comments about how much time this guy

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: was taking up that despite the fact that we like

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_01]: 90 minute episodes in general you felt those 90

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_01]: minute episodes when we kept going back to Bono.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean again, I very much understand what people are

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_01]: coming from in terms of like Bono overkill and the

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: edit. He did so many freaking funny things in my

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01]: opinion whether it was like him counting all the

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: reasons why he's strong and then what does it make

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_01]: holds out a fist whether it's him going through the

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_01]: five stages of grief when he's going of like you

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: know asking Kensi to look for an idol begging on his

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: knees to Tiffany fuming at his tribe in private.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He was just such an absolutely wild character and the

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: even one other thing is that it seems like he'd want

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: to come back and do it again, which again is pretty

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty out there considering that this is a guy that

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: had to be coached on how to not even lie but like

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: obscure information when asked a question at tribal

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: council you would think that he be someone to say

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I tried survivor once not the game for me all the

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: power to those people who think it is.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go do my other type of stuff Bono out

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but it seems like for whatever reason he wants to come

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: back and do it and I go back and forth you know

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I could see this show and especially with his story

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: as well and where he came from if they could say

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: like well listen we loved what he brought we got

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to give him another chance.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I could also see a world though where they say

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he wasn't a very good player and we want to

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: bring back a good amount of wild cards but not dump

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: out the entire wild card bucket with somebody like Bono.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he would be a lock to come back if not for

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the fact that he was so disastrous at actually

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: playing the game that like you know even somebody

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like say Philip who is I think the classic kind of

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: like bring Philip back you know we want more Philip

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like Philip made it to the finals you know what I mean

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like and then Philip came back and then was again

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: like heavily involved in the strategy Bono was just

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: fish out of water when it came to the strategy people

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: were trying to Philip him but it yeah I mean Q

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: quite literally did he told his face you're my Philip

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: it but it didn't it didn't work because he was

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: it just it just he was too Bono we and so I think

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: if you are looking at this from a producer perspective

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you run the risk of if you bring back Bono just

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the same exact thing happening and that's bad TV

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and so I think that's the risk there the danger

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and perhaps why we might not see Bono back.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I know that Jeff I think has been quoted

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple times saying like he doesn't necessarily think

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: entirely about placement when it comes to attorneys.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: However, again, we don't know what the theme is for survivor

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: 50 but I would imagine they'd be a little more hard

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: pressed to like bring back a what 14th place 15th

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: place finisher over somebody who like I mean even look

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: at somebody from 41 like Nassir who again brings

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that like infectious energy and positivity without

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: the abject mess and the fact that he made the jury.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that could be a reason why Bono unfortunately

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: does not get the nod here.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe Jeff for a second.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think placement absolutely matters and I guess

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say more so than placement screen time matters

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think that like if you're bringing back people

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: you want the audience to remember them you want

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: them to be excited about seeing them again.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want the audience to feel like wait

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: who is that and I think that's why screen time

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: matters screen time also matters because it's an indication

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: of how production feels about that player in the first

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: place.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I would say if Jeff is saying you know placement

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't matter because Bono got more screen time than

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: half this cast.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with him but if Jeff is saying placement doesn't

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: matter therefore like Mariah will be able to be on this

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: guys.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like unfortunately I love Mariah but like yeah

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think quite as much.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and with no offense again to sort of like broad

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: brush you know Tim Mariah, Randon, Jess.

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think for various reasons they wouldn't be heavily

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: considered.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that I'd be interested in seeing Jim come

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: back.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Jim was kind of an indicator that like it wasn't

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: just Yanu that were the messes but kind of everyone

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: had a messy moment on this season and Jim was also

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty damn ferocious.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The very frank conversations that her and Tim had where

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim's like oh how's that women's alliance coming along

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and Jim's like oh yeah how's your final two with Ben

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and the fact of the matter is she is somebody who found

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: an idol and purposely led her tribe on like a three-day

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: wild goose chase digging for nothing and getting bit up

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: by ants just for entertainment sake only to get voted

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: out with said idol in her pocket.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Gemma's a lot of untapped potential and

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Uncut Gem if you will.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This is sure and so I think I think she would be a

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: great pick but I think you know it just it's tough

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: because I would imagine that especially if you're like a

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_02]: casual audience member you're probably going to have a

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: hard time remembering she wasn't on the season very

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: long and so that's maybe going to be a tough pull.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But again with a more recent season you know a little

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: bit more of a shock I wouldn't be I wouldn't be

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: super shocked to see Jim.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Taryn we got a big series of decisions to make here

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think talk about a very heavy amount of people

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that we would not be shocked to see back that could or

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: should deserve a chance but we have to get it down to five

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Bonnu again making the fist.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with like who's your chalk number one either

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: from like a practical perspective or a desire perspective

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that you want to put on there.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Q Q always do I would add Charlie onto that.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that Charlie is somebody who again that narrative

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: really proceeds overall and I still do think that it'll be

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: fresh in the minds of viewers as to how it all ended for him

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and so I do think Charlie would be another pretty big lock

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: from the season.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think Charlie is my number two.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So then it gets a little bit thornier because I think

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you've brought up some really good pros and cons for each

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: specifically from the mind of like who production would

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: want to bring back.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I do think to me it would probably be some

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: combination of like I actually I would probably put Venus on

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: there as like kind of a shock again.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's one of the larger senses as to to an earlier

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: point how much are they going to factor in stuff outside

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: of the show into a casting pick but if they don't

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily consider it I do think she is somebody that

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: would be heavily considered.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be willing to put Venus in there.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's we won't incur her crap as well.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It also works doubly but then I'm thinking about like there's

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: a tier of to me Maria Tiffany Hunter Tevin like this like

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: two out of those four I think and maybe a little bit of Liz

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: as well.

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So again it's a really tough job but are you leaning

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: any certain way out of those five I just mentioned?

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think I'd cut Hunter.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Jonathan just has too much of a lock and again

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe maybe something's wrong with Jonathan.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe doesn't want to do it or maybe they pick both but

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: but I yeah, I feel like I'd probably cut Hunter from the list.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would agree with that that he unfortunately might be

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: a bit typed out by it.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So I might it's tough because again I think Tevin is someone

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that has a good chance of showing up but does would he have

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: a chance of showing up more than Maria and Tiffany is the

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: question.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a good question.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think Tevin probably brings an energy that is somewhat

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: unique.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm trying to think of like who who brings that

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: like certainly there are plenty of different kinds of

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: narrators that the show has but Tevin has like

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: super big narrator energy where like even when he's not the

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: narrator of the season, he's still the narrator of the season.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I do feel like he isn't competing as much for his spot

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but he is a bit further down the placement in the screen time

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: list.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm not quite sure that I mean Jeff did say on

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: his podcast if he could have a Tevin every season he could

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: that's that's that's pretty strong evidence to me.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's a pretty strong evidence to put him on as

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: a spot here and so it's tough now we have to pick between Maria

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and Tiffany and you know is the storyline appeal of Maria

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: weighing out what you and I would like to see which would

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: be a Tiffany return here and all that is to say we do have

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: this convention where by popular demand you know will

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly bring in some wild cards.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling at least one of these people is going

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to be a wild card but are you leaning in any particular

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: direction at this moment?

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Man

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm this might be personal preference.

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm leaning a little Tiffany

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah, I don't know if I'm letting

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: like my own desire to see Tiffany again and get in the

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: way of that.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what this is a wish list.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we do one final time granting a wish here?

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I am your genie Terran Armstrong will put Tiffany on with the

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: fifth spot here because I also being treat to hear from

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: people if they think Maria I'm good to put Tiffany on the

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: five with the you know with the parentheses of I would

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: not be surprised at all if I come back in the next couple

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: days and I also put Maria on and hell I wouldn't be

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: surprised if also I put Jolinsky on as well.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean I think there are just a lot of options

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and again being the most recent season right now

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like I feel like there are a lot of those options feel fairly

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: realistic.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I still wouldn't count Liz out.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely wouldn't count Maria out.

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't even count Hunter out and I can't even count

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Jolinsky out.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So like yeah, there's it's definitely a big big they're

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: not hurting for choice with 46.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bad problem to have that we had so many people to

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: pick between and who knows we might have several on the

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: list from this season after all last thing we like to do

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: at Taren looking outside of survivor if there is someone

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: from this season that you would want to see on another

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: reality show who would it be?

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I will just say Jolinsky is a big brother fan.

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You got to go through Big Brother put Q on anything for

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: me.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's almost like a cheat code for any answer

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: about the season is I'll just take you but you know

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: what I I wouldn't be mad to see Jolinsky on some but like

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: here's the thing if I if Jolinsky is on something I want

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: you to be there too.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be interesting.

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I talked about this with drag race recently.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like Paramount should be printing money if

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: they do like in the nine months of the Big Brother off

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: season do like a month long season of Big Brother with

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: only survivor contestants and like how much fun would

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that be like imagine Jolinsky leaning back full like Cedric

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: 21 year old energy talking about like all the alliances

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: that he's made and the fact that he's getting clocked left

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and right.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be that'd be so incredible.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean he'd be doing the stacking H OH competition

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and just be like you know what?

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Not worth time.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah or like he would try to come up with a lie about

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: whether someone is going to get put up and then he'll

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: just stop conversation like alright I'm just going to

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: tell the truth right now I am going to put you up.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I do have the power actually.

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes he's absolutely he was him and Quinn have the same

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: hairstyle and probably the same amount of tight lift

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: qualities when it comes to just blabbing about the power

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's something that'd be fun to see.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about this another podcast.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see like Tiffany on something like

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the challenge.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she brings it physically and also has that

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective of drama and conflict where she is not

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: afraid to speak her mind.

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Venus would be great as well.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like from a physical perspective.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I do fear for Venus's medical bills if she like winds up

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in a Hall Brawl but also like put Venus on any show.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Venus on Big Brother I think is a great choice.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah or Venus on the Traders.

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Venus on the Traders would be very fun

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: considering that she is not afraid to call people out

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and also not afraid to like hold personal grudges

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and have that carry over into strategy.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think her bristling with the Bravo Labs would be

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: a very fun sight to see.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's all we wrote or spoke for today.

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The five people that we are adding the final of first

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: round added to the shortlist here with ages.

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We have our runner up Charlie Davis 26.

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: We have Chiu Burdette 30 Venus Vapa 25 Tiffany Irvin

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: 33 and Kevin Davis 25.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there'll be more to come but won't be a long

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: time before we re-engage with these choices.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Taryn now I do believe it is time to vote at some

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: point in the next couple of days all beginning together

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: once again with Rob Cesarino.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to be revealing the full ballot out of all

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: 46 seasons will be going through who got added on

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: through the shortlist pods as well as another round

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: of wild cards by popular demand.

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So make sure you tune into my socials a Mike Bloom type

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: actually at the time you're listening to this it might

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: already be up there.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I will put out a petition like I did for the first half

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: of this experiment for anybody from seasons 23 through

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: 46 that didn't initially make the ballot that you would

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: want to see added as a wild card Rob and I will throw

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: them in there will review the whole ballot which is

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: looking probably to get close to like 200 names and

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: then the polls will be open as we engage in the

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: first round of voting and yes I said first round but

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: more on that with the next podcast in the meantime

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Taryn thank you this was this is awesome to get the

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: opportunity to engage in discussion about not only

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: a season that you haven't really spoken about but

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: also you as someone who has a lot of fascination

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and expertise on like reality TV production and

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the thinking of the men and women behind the curtain

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: for you to kind of get in those heads of what makes

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: a returning it was a very welcome time and I'm thrilled

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that you got to join me today.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Well it's easy I just think like what would a super

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: villain thing.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: They say villains don't exist a modern survivor anymore

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Taryn that's because it's the producers.

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Well you have your hands full to say the least going

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: on in a big brother house even if it doesn't have

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Q or Venus or Jalinsky and is there anything you want

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to plug right now to the listeners of our HAP who

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: might not be tuned into the coverage.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Plenty of big brother coverage going on right now.

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always a fun time if you have not tapped into

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Big Brother before it's a choose your own adventure

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you get to pick how invested you want to be it's great

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and and you get to experience the like the real intrigue

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: of Big Brother especially if you've never actually

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: watched it or paid attention to the feeds.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I'm talking about producers I'm talking

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: about edits you will never be able to experience

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: what it's like to be able to see what is happening

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: via like the raw footage versus how things are edited.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It will give you an entirely new perspective on the other

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: shows that you do watch like survivor in terms of

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: just like how easily it is to manipulate and edit

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and make you feel a certain way about a person that

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: you might otherwise feel the complete opposite

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: about if you knew if you saw what was actually happening.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And so just getting to see that is really interesting

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and on top of that sometimes it's also a good show.

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's fun too.

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So feel free to check it out if you were a survivor

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: fan you didn't check out like when Suri was actually

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: in the house last season now you want to check

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: out Big Brother go ahead as Karen again has daily

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: coverage of it as our recurrence of daily podcast

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: is starting to come to an end.

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got the ballot reveal coming up in the next

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: couple days were again Rob and myself we were viewing

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: who has been put on the shortlist so far and who

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: we're adding before we finally release it to the

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: public and it is in your hands.

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I will do a bit of a blanket thank you on the next

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast but I just want to say now while we're

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: doing the final seasonal reviews of these how much

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: fun this has been to get to talk with you Taren and

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: all the various guests about their survivor opinions

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: their perspectives on 700 players at this point

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and to you all as well.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean listen everyone certainly has opinions on

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: players and who they want to see come back but it

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: has been such an incredible experience for me.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I said it before but this this kind of feels like

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: this is a culmination to me of like nearly 25 years

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: of fandom and something that I enjoy doing every

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: single second up and I can't wait to see how

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the ballot turns out no matter what this has

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: been such a fun experiment to look back in the

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: history of survivor and truly think about if

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: we got a chance to bring back these people no

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: matter what the theme might be who would we look

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: at it's it's been a nice stroll down memory lane

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: including recent history and I'm excited to see how

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it's all going to shake out and we will start to

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: see as again next podcast you'll hear from me

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: is when I'll be talking with Rob Cesarino to

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: review the ballot and officially open the

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: polls.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all so much for listening until next

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: time everybody take care.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye bye.

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