Today, Mike and Chappell (@Chappells_Show) discuss Season 43.[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 Wish List Podcast in off-season series.
[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to figure out who could and should come back for the upcoming returny season of Survivor 50.
[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Today, we're talking about beads baby you Susie Bacca's. It's time to take a deep dive and wrap our podcast tentacles around the season that featured an octopus at the center of a Survivor 403.
[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Excited to get into this one. This is a very unique cast that again might get passed over when people typically talk about the new era, but like all new era cast
[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: There are definitely some interesting people contained with it and certainly some people that I think for the sake of our list and maybe productions list in general could be in contention for a second season.
[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I am not alone today. I am joined by someone that I would call a lovable cramuch and but I'll just stop at lovable. It is Chappell
[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, don't know. You can call me whatever you want as long as you call me to talk about Survivor 43
[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I'll be here because this was my first choice when given the options of what to talk about which season you wanted to talk about which returnies
[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I say 43 and I get the feeling there wasn't a lot of pushback. I don't think a lot of people wanted to do
[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No offenses survivor 43 because we're ready to get into again when I think is very very solid cast her
[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Survivor 43 chip out
[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the one that is the one because I remember like first first of all it's so recent right so I can really put myself in where I was
[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Mentally watching this season and then obviously kind of the experience of the journey all the way to the
[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Alligabler of it all and then the backlash afterwards. It was a very
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: contentious I was off season you know right after the show was over
[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But as far as the cast goes
[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there were so many gamers on this cast that I could talk about they probably won't get their due because
[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not the most well received season. It's so if anybody's gonna give me this flowers, it's me
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I'm coming here to do yeah so to that point look
[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, especially when it comes to things like ranking new
[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Airacies but I think if you were to take a general census people would probably put 43 near or at the bottom
[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it was you know a little bit of an uninspiring
[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Prie-mer so we did see some power players rise whether it was kind of this post-merge that was a little frantic
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But just kind of had this overall narrative of Cody and Jesse basically controlling every vote
[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's the you know some characters were easy to climb on to maybe not other ones or maybe it was
[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: To your point one of the most surprising wins we have certainly had in recent memory and in white
[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes that to your point pretty much lit the internet ablaze in the fall of 2022
[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: 43 though as we like to say here contains a lot with in and for my money I think that penultimate episode of
[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesse betraying Cody is not only up there with like one of the most brutal moves in survivor history
[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a top tier episode of television
[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And it probably boost Jesse onto a lot of people's you know shortlist for this assignment that we're doing right now
[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Having to select who's coming back
[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Jesse made a very big name for himself and such a little time with that one, you know
[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: One appearance on 43
[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean the things he was able to do throughout the season made him very fun to watch and then
[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people were not happy when he didn't win and so
[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know that might also leave us our tasting people's mouths but as far as I'm concerned
[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Once you get to the merge you got some really interesting people playing very aggressively and I like it
[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that there was like uh there didn't feel like there was any straightforward
[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Votes where it was just like the majority is gonna pick off people one by one
[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It was always something they were always protecting for analysis power which we don't really see anymore
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And recently that's the last time we saw anologist power when I would James Jones
[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it was very it made to show very interesting and made a lot of the gameplay a lot
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: More fluid that there was you know advantages and idols being
[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You know a hot potato around so that people could figure out who has the knowledge is power
[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a lot going on and they were all playing to win and so yeah as far as I was concerned
[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: As far as cast people go like they're showed in their episodes the the season didn't go as they wanted it to go for the most part
[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But everybody was doing their best and was playing hard and that makes them very fun to talk about as a cast
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely so look we're gonna do as we always do putting up to five people on our short list
[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But taking a step back to Pellon talking about the meta
[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously it's always going to be tough to even pull people from the new era to fit a limited number of spots for how
[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Every many new era people are going to be occupying 50
[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think to that point of the reception behind 43?
[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It will be a season that production might largely disregard or do you think this might be like a not to compare it to survivor one more
[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But sort of like what one world was at the time
[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Ruts like hey listen you may not love this season
[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But there are cast members that were gonna pull on to returny seasons
[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one world's a great example redemption islands another example where you think okay
[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: No one's coming from this but you get to get to get Andrea you get you know people from one world obviously
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a lot of returning seasons where or seasons that we bring back these return
[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think even um
[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Which one is it my color way season when the
[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Like three or four people from world to part and they have people on the ballot for one's a part
[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: World's a part two is like no one likes that season nobody does but at the same time
[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You know the season doesn't is not necessarily indicative of the cast in the gameplay and the start power that they have
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the season that they ended up on you know the editor
[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They ended up getting the story that's production chose to tell so I think for this cast
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I think the further you move away from it the more you'll be able to appreciate what each individual person was doing as opposed to kind of
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Grating them as a whole part of a season
[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think individually they all stand out in different ways well as we move further away from that time
[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We were in back at the end of 2022. Let's move towards our cast gear and we'll start as we always do with our final three and
[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: What an interesting final three here? Ship house. We have of course our second runner up and zero of a finalist of this season
[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the Mount Rushmore of Charlie Brown contestants in our boy Owen night
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a Cassidy I believe she was the fox right that was her animal as she ended up
[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Rising to a little bit of power towards the end of course wins final four immunity
[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: chooses not to center self in a decision that some jurors will not take lightly and as a result loses a bit
[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Controversially two are eventual winner as we move from the fox to the
[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Alligabler one of the most surprising victories in survivor history a guy that went from a pretty disastrous premier
[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he actually steps forward a certain point within idle in his pocket and says hey
[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You could I'm gonna play my shot in the dark just in case you all vote for me
[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He's able to eventually find his way into a good social footing to the point that he is one of the people that is
[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Largely sort of like sitting shotgun during a lot of these big blind sites towards the end
[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He holds up. I'll be a first short amount of time the fastest fire making win record in terms of time
[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But when he gets to the end it is this
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of enigmatic combo of the the persona he had built up to that point with his his bonds with the jurors as well as the way that he expressed his game
[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is I'll get about this ability to I had my move. I pushed the alley boot and then I slid back into the shadows
[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And waited for you all to take each other out so when the time is right
[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I struck I took out Jesse the odds on favor to win and by the way
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna donate all my money to charity and an outcome that was incredibly surprising to the other two final
[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: As the surprise is kept on coming when Gabriel reveals that in the after show
[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's only it's only proper shepel that we start with this guy
[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Gabriel of course also the second oldest person to ever win the game
[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Should Gabriel or come back he would be 53 years old, but do you think Gabriel or should come back
[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good question. I think as far as I'm concerned game play was I think that his game is underrated
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that you know, like trying to want you to yeah
[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: What I mean you know, he says by design right? I'm the alligator I was up
[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I did my attack on Ellie and then I hid the rest of the way and
[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_03]: What he doesn't really talk about and I think he does more in the final trouble council, but I think the subtext there is when he starts to hide
[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: He starts to make really good relationships with everybody
[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody want to get a player out
[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe because they didn't think he was too much of a third, but they also knew that they can all work with him
[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think some people will say it to final trouble council like no I always knew that Gabriel
[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Was loyal to my group even though he was loyal to all the groups he was in you know
[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just that he was going wherever the power was going in a subtle way that didn't make him
[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You know anybody's enemy and so he played a great game
[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He ended up winning seven to one. You know this isn't like so I'm like oh what the jury was torn
[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw both sides. It was like either they hated Cassie and on which we know they didn't hate them
[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Or you know there was something there that allowed them all to say okay
[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabriel brought something to the table that I'm willing to root for to vote for and maybe him giving all the money away
[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: To a good cause it's something that they could all support he does end up making that donation as well
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So true to his word
[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But first I'm concerned I need to see the guy every game again
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that he's mine
[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the story is there he was able to donate all that money if he wanted to come back and say maybe oh
[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll play again, but under the premise of I'm doing it for me. You know I'm still facing that
[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know how do you do that like how does Mike Gabler who says I'm gonna donate a million dollars to various charities
[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Do a full heel turn and come back at his second season be like this time
[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all going right into my time
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's for the game lad dollars. Yeah, no, I think that that's but I think that that is actually fair
[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if you give a million dollars the charity treat yourself king
[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You know if he wants to come back and win a game to keep it I'd say that exactly one for me
[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Right exactly you want to bet you I gave away a million dollars. What have y'all given away?
[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think at that point, you know, maybe root for Gabler uh to win a second time
[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Let him get some for himself, but I don't think I need to get a lot of storytelling more
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Especially if his gameplay is gonna be similar like it one thing his gameplay did was uh in love a lot to be desired as far as
[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Showmanship you know
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that the show didn't give us an edit that really let you appreciate some of his more subtle moves
[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: We all got the whole Ellie move. He was talking about the final travel council we heard about it
[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We heard about it at the moment they looked in his bag. He was coming for her
[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But after he did that it wasn't a lot
[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the elsy he can hang his hat on as far as big moves go so you know if he's not been playing a subtle game
[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily need it. I want a little bit more flashy game played from my survival 50
[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean it'd be interesting if he came back in and kind of played to your point more of the pre merge game
[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Which wasn't I would say flashy and more messy this was the man that was throwing whole ass palm
[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Frons onto people as blankets just waking them up in the middle of the night and again
[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how made his win so surprising is that he got so much of like the dough to look at the count amount
[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: At it in the first half of the game that a lot of us did and probably the jury did as well at a certain point
[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Until it all ended up coming back around and then people say okay
[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess we're voting for a gable or to win a million dollars. I do agree that if it is just going to be the same game again
[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It would have to be showed honestly in a better light just because again
[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think something that did lead this victory
[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Leaving us feeling wanting was the fact that we got a couple of things of hiding in plain sight
[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But listen, I don't think me necessarily need to be force fed
[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A narrative but even just like a little tablespoon of it would be fantastic to have every couple of episodes or so
[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I do
[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see gable or get get brought back. I mean gable or is certainly a unique winner again second oldest
[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Winner and also the oldest person who has won in quite some time
[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody who oftentimes, I think still is kind of reference both on the show
[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell his name was mentioned and the meme of him doing all those shout outs like he's in the big brother
[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Diverroom on a fiction night ended up getting mentioned in
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: 46 I also think that as talked about in the triple H podcast with Benj
[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Rebergan probably not returning to the show. I think gable are kind of covers a very similar type of demographic as well
[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That a person like Ben had ordinarily occupied
[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But I wonder like if you're gable or I'm sure he would want to come back
[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but
[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Realistically speaking is there any chance he gets far
[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's like the double edge sword or even sort of like the two pronged approach of
[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There are people will say okay, you're claimed that you're gonna play selfishly as bullshit
[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not like gonna get a light you get to the end because now we know what you could do with the money and be
[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Your game is for us to underestimate you. Ergo. We cannot
[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Under estimate you we have to get rid of you right away
[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: If it's effective then they will underestimate him and he will they will not give it to them
[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: They will look at his first game and they will hear what the people online were saying how everybody was outraged
[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: How did gable or win? This is the most surprising victory ever these people are gonna come in and say
[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He won but
[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Did he win you know it was it?
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It was the jury bitter, you know, I think we could let them stick around for a little bit longer
[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that might be there down fall
[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that as far as giving us something new
[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that's there. I don't know if we're gonna gain anything from gable that
[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get the first time he won the money he had a great showing he didn't get one vote against him
[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Until the final tribal council
[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You know
[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That's it that's it. So I mean what else could he want to do does he want to come back and be a challenge beast
[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to just come back and prove it to himself that he does deserve that title?
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I think winning seven to one. I really think there's anything anybody convinced me that I don't deserve this title at that point
[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But if he wants to come back
[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we have we'd have him back is just for me
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily need to see it
[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good point about how we know we talk about people like Natalie and uh and and sorry Michelle and Sophie
[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll winters at war being like I want to play on this season to also remind the audience that I deserve my win
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think gableers necessarily the type of person to do that. Hell, maybe he does want to do that to to prove it to
[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The haters and and surprise me in that regard
[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that there might be more mileage in talking about the returning possibilities of our other two members of the final three
[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start with Cassidy here because I think until Charlie showed around
[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: With his lovely cloth hair. I think a lot of people were saying that Cassidy was one of the most rob
[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Second place ben in quite some time on survivor
[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Chappelle is that enough of a narrative for you to bully her onto the ballot
[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the narrative is fair to like as far as like if we're using that to kind of push her story into the next season
[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Why does she come back is because she was robbed and she needs to reclaim what is hers
[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think watching her gameplay actually don't feel like she was robbed
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like maybe there there, you know the jury perceived her game a little bit differently
[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: We see that a lot of the jury was like why didn't you put yourself into fire
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_03]: This is like because she didn't feel like she needed to well, she felt like she needed to then she would have been
[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: She would have known that she was not the front runner
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like they're saying you should have done that to help you win
[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: What she was saying is I didn't think I needed to and I think there's a disconnect there
[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You know if you need to put yourself in fire that means you're missing something
[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They're they're looking for one other thing to put you know to put your name or so they can vote for you
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And she she didn't really quite get to that point where she was able to secure those votes
[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But she won a bunch of immunities at least she wanted me to she won the final one
[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: She won I think she won three yeah, she won three
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she was three immunities she was always in the majority always on the right side of the vote throughout the game
[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And so you know there's a lot of positive to say about Cassidy
[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know and unless there's something that she really feels like she could have done differently
[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like the Spencer
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Narrative where he's saying you know the first time I played
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really make any social connections so now I'm gonna let my robot wall down and I'm gonna start letting people in
[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I can I can make genuine bonds with people
[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Cassidy didn't seem to have an issue making bonds with people she was working well with people in the game
[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't a lot of people saying negative things about Cassidy
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't really know if it was just that something is missing for her game or if she just got beat and so I don't know
[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe people would love to see Cassidy come back
[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: She has a huge fan base and she was on the season of the challenge as well
[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so let's talk about that because I do feel like and maybe it was sort of like shoehorned into
[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That narrative but it felt like a lot of first story on the challenge USA season two was related to that
[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean she brings up that meta of like I
[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Lost when you know I and I that put me into a really odd place and that I felt that I deserved to win
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is kind of like my second chance to prove that I can have it and she does put up a very formidable
[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Showing she wins a good number of elimination before she's taken out shortly before the final there and so I do wonder like
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, this would not be the case for everybody because not everyone is as a reality
[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Obsessed as you and I to like have watched both of those shows but like for me
[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I wonder if that narrative was already then satisfied on another show
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Right almost for a reason why wouldn't it's really put Chris under what back on because we kind of already saw that
[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Demon get chased off his back he proved that he is a worthy winner in so many ways so from my perspective
[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see like okay, maybe I don't necessarily need to see that quote unquote redemption side of things or a second chance for
[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Cassidy but I cannot obscure the fact that to your point there are a lot of people that are still fairly fired up
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: About the outcome. I do think her return would be pretty welcome to the show even if to your point
[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the really anything she can change up outside of like maybe she ends up becoming a bit more of a bold player
[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she is somebody that is going to be much more aggressively making big moves rather than
[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: From what we saw even in the post merge a bit more reactionary you know like when she finds out that Carla is targeting her she adjust
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: See and I would love to see Cassidy may be hang out in the challenge area. You know
[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that she sees a great individual competitor like you talked about she wants some challenges in the challenge
[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Who I say she wants some individual communities in this season and I think that once you establish yourself as a
[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Competition beast our challenge beast on the show the challenge. I think that that starts to build
[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You know your your your resume up to the point where people are afraid of you
[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: What people want to work with you more? You know she came in and said she's like oh, this is Cassidy
[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so very I've heard let's see if we can work with her
[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: They people didn't want to they wanted to get her out
[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: She seemed like a layup a easy target and she was just beating them left and right
[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She comes back to play people are not going to be as eager to throw themselves and I want to get Cassidy
[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They're not gonna be so willing to get voted in against Cassidy either. So I think they all those
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: She might not have much more to bring to survivor
[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: She definitely could have a place on the challenge if that's where people would rather see her
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[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: If you will, doesn't exactly reach the heights of Cassie but wins a respectable two individual immunities and certainly reaches the water level
[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: In challenges concerning that he is one of the people to break last gas
[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about Owen here our aforementioned
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Loveable curmudgeon. Of course we love Owen
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Previous guests, of course on the wishless podcast and someone that
[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Frustratingly so to his many points
[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: seemed to just never really get into the main vein of the game especially in this post-merge
[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: To your point was a little all over the place but was chiefly run by Jesse Cody with a little bit of
[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Gableur on the side as kind of a central group and other people kind of joining at certain points
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Owen was somebody who started the merge, you know, losing two of what he thought were his closest
[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: allies in Ellie and Janine left out of a gun-amount of votes he does have a nice triumphant move
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: At the Jamesville where him and no well are able to pull off this fun move where she uses the vote steal on him to make it look like he's going
[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So James doesn't play his knowledge as power and so as a result James then gets voted out with it in his pocket
[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But it unfortunately didn't create a lot of momentum for Owen from then on out and sadly he is shut out by the jury
[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Owen. I think Owen is a very fun character and obviously should get a shot at a season where he gets a chance to
[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe be tapped in a bit more to the main group and be a bit more of a mover and a shaker
[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But to tell this is where the new era gets hard because
[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You look at sort of the storyline of Owen and I'll be cards up here are Owen and Jake
[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: occupying the same slot here
[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good point. I mean we you everybody is making the Charlie bat brown
[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: comparison to Owen and then when Jake popped up it was immediately shoved like just shifted to Jake
[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that
[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that Jake season might have a little bit more representation
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: What's all the ones all the votes come out and so that might leave Jake on an island by himself and not the one that I'm talking about
[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that Owen might actually be the one who since 43 is not so where received
[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He might have that spot you know if you want 43 representation
[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that Owen would be a great spot to start it
[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He was very authentic on the show. We saw all of his walls
[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like the same thing with Jake where we heard this the story of ballic man
[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I just keep missing the mark. I keep trying to make moves happening and they're not happening
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I'm trying to kick the football he's get a snatch the way but we saw him when a couple
[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Key challenge went but we also saw a very emotional player too
[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You know whenever things were bothering him we saw the Owen blowups we saw the fights
[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't a boring player by any means and so I think that you know
[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there are a couple people who might be fighting for that position of the Charlie Brown of the season
[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that Owen has a good claim for it. It's especially going so far
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I just do I do think that you're right though
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean if you want to have a toss up between Jake and Owen
[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a good debate to have yeah because I mean I think
[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Chipela I've actually had a little bit of a shower thought recently about maybe are there
[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: two types of attorneys in survivor where there are plot attorneys and character attorneys where
[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Are there people that are brought back for what happened in their first season and maybe what they need to
[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: redeem themselves upon or something that they are they're going to try to repeat on a future season
[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Or do we bring them back because they're a fun person to have on the show and sometimes in the rare category
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: There's both there's like bringing back seri
[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, teams times and fortunately because the plot is always a dis there and that she always finds a way to somehow get out of the game
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's also character in there and that she's a fantastic confessionalist
[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone like Cassidy for instance, again certainly has her fun moments in terms of
[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Confessional and personality but I do think it's a bit more of like a plot
[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Returning of okay, she ends up getting quote unquote robbed by this jury vote. Let's give her another chance
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and I would say maybe a bit more of a character returny to your point. I think
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Both him and Jake again have this interesting opportunity where honestly maybe the most emotionality we got out of this season was either
[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Owen with his continual anger about his situation or Jesse as he really weighed back and forth about the morals of the game
[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Versus having to do what he needs to do for his family and so Owen is someone who also
[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know is incredibly self-deprecating and see the one that says in the first couple episodes about how his p looks like boy on cube
[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's so dehydrated. That's he's like carrying the big pot of water back. So I think you'd be a very fun
[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Person to bring back
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would definitely consider him for the short list here. I just wonder in the grander scheme of things
[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there only one Charlie Brown allowed it for a survivor 50?
[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think that that'll probably
[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I hate to say it but you know not as you pointed out. I think that that'll probably be the question everybody's asking right?
[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like do we need Jake and Owen?
[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that oh, Owen's a flaws in the game are a little less in self-inflicted
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think that Owen is actively being left out of outsource. Jake is maybe
[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Flubbing some of them, you know, making some moves that are ill-advised and so although that might make Owen a slightly better player and
[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: different ways but not necessarily better TV, you know, maybe people want to see you know some of the wacky or moment that
[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Come along with some of the votes that Jake sat on to you know a side two as opposed to Owen who can be a little bit more measured in the game
[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's very funny to put them up against each other, but I think it'd be crazy to leave him off the ballot
[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's coming from this season
[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: All right well, let's move into our jury here and the cast of characters continues working our way up. I mean talk about somebody who
[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately had so many tough things not go their way in this season. Jinne the person who goes out with her whole idol freaking getting stolen
[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Out from under her nose without realizing it we have the godfather himself James Jones we have a of
[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Meat shield turned newfound Paralympian in Orion Medrano. We had it apparently yeah
[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Go in and come in out in the form of Noel Lambert our first amputee since Kelly Bruno
[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We had our resident teenager of the season in pet cramator semi-layade
[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got the one of the first contestants that was residing in Hawaii at the time of filming in the form of Cody
[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We have our fifth place finisher here and one of the biggest strategic courses certainly in the pre-merge in
[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Marla and of course we need to start with who in my opinion I think would be the number one lock to bring back from this season
[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesse Lopez
[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Give me your thought, Chappelle
[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Jessica he cool, whatever. I don't know. I don't know. I'm looking at him like do we have many Jesse types?
[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so I think we might have to he might be fighting for his bottom ballot now. I'm joking just I think Jesse
[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just able to people get rid of you those are fighting. Listen, I'm not crazy enough to fake Mary him on the island white
[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so I don't trust this man. I've seen his work now, you know, but I think that if anybody look if you told everybody before hand
[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: There is a survivor 50. I think they would have all tried to play like Jesse
[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Survivor 50's coming and it's all star season and you need to get on how do you stand out and I think that there were a lot of things that went his way
[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He was handed an idol that he just happened to get in his hands right before he bought it someone out, you know
[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And then but I think that there are moments where Jesse stood apart because because they were to keep those secrets
[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know he was able to really form these separate plots as a part of the major alliance
[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But also within that alliance to pick off some of his bigger threats including his number one allies
[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Whenever that came up and so I don't know. I think Omar played a really amazing great game in 42
[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Mary ampleted the maze in 42 and then Jesse showed up and everything was like with him, you know
[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: What are we gonna do here? So I think if he wants to come back
[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's anywhere where Jesse doesn't get voted back on into the survivor 50
[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Not from our tip. He's at least like he's getting it
[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely and also again
[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I was really hooked by his personal story as well, you know that this was a guy that kind of came from the wrong side of the
[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Contract and was able to find his way in this world. It's not too dissimilar from the situation he found himself in on the island where
[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He found himself at the center of
[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically every vote every time that he was voting and he was the one making decisions
[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But he had to make these really
[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: surgically precise cuts that sometimes came at the cost of
[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Getting rid of a neco who was close to him getting whatever. Which white who was close to him getting rid of a no well
[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Who was close to him and most prominently getting rid of a Cody who was close to him
[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I said this before and I will say it again and I say it lovingly
[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I know he doesn't like this adjective, but Jesse is to mean the most vicious player in
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: survivor history again. This is a guy who got Janine's idol from Dwight
[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: voted out Dwight
[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Celjene and held on to the idols so that he was guaranteed to play it at the final five to make sure he made it to the
[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Final four. This is a guy who again had his closest allies idol in his hands and decided to use it
[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: On Owen and then vote out his closest ally
[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely wild what this guy was pulling off and the fact that
[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Things kept coming back to him time and time again. I think spoke to the reputation he had built up for himself as well
[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course again the partnership that he was maintaining with Cody and again we talk about narrative
[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_02]: God there is so much that is there right again between him weighing his morals as to like
[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really want to do this. I'd like these people, but I have to if I need to bring home this money for my family
[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That will obviously continue into a second season
[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's I got so close. I was the one to win it all and I'd lost out due to fire making
[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That is appeal whether it's like okay, I learned last time that one big mistake can screw you over
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though again, I think it was less so a mistake and more so just like he had two forts in the road of go to the
[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Amethcote or don't go to the Amethcote and he chose the latter
[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot of appeal there as well to me Jesse checks all the boxes of what you want in a new era
[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Returning I think the one exception is like I don't know if he's the most outlandish personality
[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But he still captivated me this season
[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The show even gave him some good character moments as far as personality goes and I remember when he was talking about the
[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Heist you know and yeah, he gave me to be his fall guy
[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he did you know
[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He'd like it was it was a well game of his it was a plan
[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Plan B is back up plan. I think Sammy was the fall guy
[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You know he had it all laid out and they kind of went through it like oceans 11 style and let us know what Jesse was thinking
[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They were able to be creative with Jesse's gameplay because it was it was a subtle but it was also in a very weird way
[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a very complex and so when you start telling the story like oh wow
[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that works out and then a lot of times it just did, you know
[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You talk about him using Cody's idol on Owen and then that was to make Carla use her idol and then vote out Cody
[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: He's number it's it was a huge move and he did it at the right time
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He did it with just enough time to where oh he only has to make it the one or two more votes, you know in order to lock this thing up
[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just it was a very
[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: like respectable and like
[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like fun game to watch
[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I would worry if I was him about coming back on to a second season because not to jinx it but
[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: If you watch 43 and think oh yeah, I'll let Jesse get to around like final seven final eight and he'll be like a name
[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get rid of him. You're probably crazy. You probably should rethink that
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I think the target on him would be massive. I mean the good news is he could say look
[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't win any challenges
[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't win firemaking like if you let me know the end game
[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You could take me out right there and that would be their mistake
[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But and also maybe to hope would be that he probably be surrounded by other people who also has the reputation
[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Proceed them and maybe again his personality is able to have him slip under the radar
[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Also should mention from a production perspective especially in Jeff probes at the time
[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Called Jesse's blind side of Cody a Hall of Fame move. I don't know how that doesn't guarantee or returny spot
[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's gonna get the call the the move with Cody was it was hell cut throw because he was sitting right next to Cody
[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know this wasn't a I'm sitting around like I'm looking and trying to figure out who did this
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He looks directly like you know you had to make the move in front of him
[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's a lot of a lot of times we don't see those betrayals happen
[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So outright in front of people. I think we see it in the voting booth
[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you do a vote and have to figure out away who flipped? You know, but him taking that idle it
[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Cody watching his idol get played. He's like hey, that's mine
[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Well as Jesse plays it to save the person they're Cody voted for it
[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It is very cut throw and I don't think I can I can't think of a nasty or move
[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You know just a move that was just so grimy
[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But also so effective any did it to somebody who I think could respect the move
[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Cody the way he received it
[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It was very like he's definitely sitting them off with some FU Jesse's you know in his and his exit confessional
[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: He never looked at double bird
[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He did and Jesse earned both of those birds. You know, I'm probably a couple more
[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think Cody was one of the people who could probably look at Jesse and say that was a game move and I'll get over it
[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: If Jesse admitted to the end
[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I have our time
[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Believe in that he couldn't have gotten majority of the votes in one
[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well let's move one step to his right and talk about the person that went out right before him in Carla
[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Carla is so interesting
[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Shepalka really like a tale of two seasons for Carla where she is like the person on Coco in the premerge
[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The idols this season were through the bead collection where you had to co-versure try members to give over these random beads
[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They were each allotted and like this was tailor made for Carla. She was such a social force on that premerge tribe
[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Was always in the know everyone was gravitating towards her her
[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Cassidy and James pretty much controlled that tribe throughout the couple votes that they went to
[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: When it gets to the merge maybe it's a little shake here right? Uh, she ends up kind of
[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But gradually going forward with getting rid of James during the whole split vote thing then she eventually ends up turning on
[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Cassidy towards the end some but that does end up having you know everyone basically turned on her at final five as she is
[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: One of these stumbie per this before new era odds on threat to gets taken out at the final five and for Carla by the end like
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Despite the fact that she's one a couple of immunity challenges like she is just a mess
[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: physically she's got bandaged legs bandaged hands and so she sent a little hobbling out of the game and
[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it was not I think Carla would say this herself the most positive way for her to leave the game
[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course when I'm for infamous final conversations with Cassidy where she basically says like
[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen if you get run a me
[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a chance that the jury might not vote in your favor and
[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly, you know, she has her reasons for why she'll ultimately voted for a gay blur, but I do feel for one reason or another
[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of her game is kind of broad brushed with the label of what those last couple episodes were to your point
[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Being forced to waste her idol due to being spooked by what Jesse did and then getting voted out and having her jury vote
[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think may be unfairly encompasses what was a solid game up to that point
[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so her number one alliance is almost completely here. You know it's her
[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Cassidy and James
[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: With the exception of Lindsey who they vote out pre-merge
[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That's those are all the people that she was working with oh and Jesse obviously
[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So she has she had a solid alliance going in and she's in a power position remember
[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_03]: We just talked about how Jesse makes it to the any probably wins and they still went after Carla before Jesse
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You know
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It was she was the number one threat on the board
[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Strategically they knew she was
[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_03]: She was well insulated when she had her big alliance the cocoa alliance with whoever everybody wanted to beat
[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know her and Jesse worked pretty well together and James worked pretty well together
[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Her capacity worked and locks up together a lot of times, but they weren't looking at Cassidy as the number one threat
[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It was always Carla and so it was either some of the way about the relationships you have or the way she was carrying herself in the game
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Let these people know that she was not one to be reckoned with
[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: She had like you said a ton of injuries and we're still fighting through the injuries in fact
[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: When she was injured she probably have done her best work. I remember her like hand bloody and
[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's about to look like her hand was about to fall off and she's doing the puzzle and wins the puzzle
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You know she's she's on one knee at one point, you know
[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she has a walking stick by the end of it that Cody may for as they vote out Cody
[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You know and so
[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's a lot to say about Carla's game, but it was also very flashy
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: strategic and I think that if I have to pick another person who you can pretty much lock them in
[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that you don't get a lot of Carla like players. I think that she was new
[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a fresh new archetype that people could explore if they can find another Carla, but it probably
[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Difficult to do that so I think that you got to bring Carla back just for a simple effect of we were blessed to have her on our screen
[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03]: What we did she didn't win but she put up a damn good show
[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and not to mention I think to your point she's incredibly unique as a character
[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean she quotes one of the episode titles what about the big girls
[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: During the first immunity challenge that she wins and I think she was someone that came in basically saying like
[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I am in the middle of so many different venn diagram to terms of my background my ethnicity my sexuality
[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: etc
[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's nobody else like me and I think using that she was able to to really captivate a lot of people from multiple backgrounds
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think again there is this aspect to like my game absolutely Peter doubt
[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Flamed out towards the end now. I'm coming back looking to maintain an entire momentum over 26
[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: 30
[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: 39 days she's also a very fun confessionalist as well especially when she is like
[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Marinating in her successes as well so I do think and it's interesting again because I would imagine
[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: To be honest given the reception behind gableers when I think if you asked certain subsections of the internet
[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They would be like we never want to see Carla again
[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But I really do think there's a good amount of appeal to seeing her back again
[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think if they leave out that that confessional or that um, sorry that conversation between
[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Cassidy and Carla were Carlos says you know if I go out people might not people might think that you were writing
[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: James and my co-tales and you don't have any real moves in
[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: What it would be awful if you I made it to the if you made it to the end and no one gave you any credit
[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when Cassidy makes it to the end and no way because of many credit you look at that conversation
[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Carla had and said oh well it's Carla part of the problem. She poisoned the jury
[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know we'll see a little bit of that in survivor 46 with a couple other players
[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Maria and Charlie and how to kind of how that went down and so because of that
[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think people had a sour taste in their mouths
[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: From Carla but I think that that's a small change
[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a small change in the edit that really didn't color the way people were looking at her in the season because prior to that
[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: She was forrocious in the game and I think that
[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: People were dishonest if they don't think she was and that she didn't deserve a time to play again
[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me talk about maybe a bit more of a wild card returny choice to pal at least from our corner because again
[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think largely
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: RHA p fans the survivor fan bases is very strategy forward in terms of people that we've want to see come back
[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So you might be surprised when I say I think there is a very healthy chance we see
[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Cody Assenmacher on our screens again again we talk about the unique personality this guy just by the fact that he's from Iowa
[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And moved to Hawaii very much in bodies that Mahalo energy he is so laid back I mean
[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Got live in tattooed on his ass that just kind of shows how much of a little bit of a wack-a-do character
[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He is but not like so brazenly cartoony as maybe some of the other wack-a-do is we speak about in the new era
[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He was someone that was certainly crafty. He was the first one that had to encounter the beach challenge and utilize
[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesse's help to help get everything in time so if he had his vote in time for his first tribal council
[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He was athletic enough to weigh you know some immunity challenges and that all culminated in him getting blindsided at the final six
[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really interesting because again, this is all about narrative. I think the way the story was being pulled to us
[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We might have said in that moment
[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesse what are you doing if you go to the end with Cody you clearly win because your shown as having more strategic content we're going to know you more than Cody
[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the reason why Jesse does what he does is because he felt there was no other opportunity to take out
[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Cody. Cody would assume that that idol would be returned to him proper for final five the last time idols could be used
[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He'll probably use it and then final four given his background he probably stands a fair chance of either winning or
[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Winning firemaking and then he's sitting in the final three and from what we have kind of heard from people from survivor 43
[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Cody because I think he was a bit more of a personality forward type than Jesse
[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What's kind of seen up bit more as the one that was making the moves and so again Jesse had to make this decision based on the perceptions that he was given that if there was a time to get rid of Cody
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It had to be now
[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think honestly the primary reason why Cody would come back is yes, he does have some character to him
[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But again going back to plot returnies
[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Would the producers feel like they're leaving money on the table by not having Jesse and Cody come back together and seeing what happens in part two
[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean that's a great question. You know you in the remix
[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know what honestly it's like I'm torn because you would want there to be some type of tension
[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, can I work with Jesse this time he could he voted me out last time we saw three saying that same thing about a
[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Mandel like she chose poverty over me. What's going on? You know, so maybe Cody does come in with the narrative
[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Jesse and I were closely together, but I'm watching them this time. You know, and then that's an interesting story to tell
[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just it's when when I when I got 43 is my selection but first person popped in my head was Cody because I thought
[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Dang do I put Cody on you know? He does fall victim to one of Jesse's many schemes on here
[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But he was such a big character and he was a strategic force. I think going into the season a lot of people only saw him as a crazy character
[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That the ass tattoo definitely
[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know
[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Happy thinking that way like I feel like you and I are kind of in the in the Cody boat right whenever we about to do some of the people
[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I oh god, this is about to be wacky. Yeah, we can take them seriously
[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We exactly we vibe with him and this man is all five of like okay these two were these guys are shenanigans
[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not necessarily like we we love when what they have to say but to quote
[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the the late Logan Roy you're not serious people
[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We're unserious people right and uh and I think Cody falls in that category the unserious person
[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: At first glance, but I think that we see him very early on
[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Making moves he was in control of the pre-murge on his tribe along with Jesse
[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_03]: They had neca and their alliance they swapped out neca for Dwight at certain at a certain point
[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But he was the one who designed uh just to bring in the exit you know
[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It says oh wait you're a sales person. That's enough to get you voted out even though he works in elevator sales
[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever that means so yeah
[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Cody from beginning it to the end delivered and
[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, he didn't we didn't win. He didn't even make the the final episode however
[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that being that he was such a star throughout the entire season if he hard to leave most of
[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All it not to mention he is part of a move that is still talked about to this day right like yeah
[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Eric right and back but the tide that lifted that freaking boat to put him on another fan versus favorite season is what he does in that
[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Penelty met episode and so many people talked about
[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesse and Cody and so I do think as much as it's felt disaster for his game him being linked to that massive betrayal
[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Really increases his chances of returning oh
[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely it's one of those moments where it's a star making moment for both of them
[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know Jesse gets the credit for the move as we will see the blackwood overgae get credit for Eric
[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Riker Mac but at the same time we we talk about Eric
[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Riker Mac probably more than we talk about the black widows, you know because he was the victim
[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the face of it and I think Cody in a way is the face of that betrayal and it goes to show you too
[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You're number one ally and a lot of seasons you can hand them your idol and that and I have to worry about it
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But in a new era that's a little bit more dangerous
[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see in 43 and even later on in 46 too. All right, let's talk about Sammy here because she paled throughout this process
[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And especially as we got into the era of survivor where they're casting like
[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: 19 2020 21 year old. It's like the Simpsons main with the sheep as like they get progressively cuter
[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And we feel like survivor producers are saying like screw off well wall up yours Michael your girl Sammy is our new
[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Platonus he was only 19 when he played though he did lie about his age
[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He was certainly an agent of chaos in the beginning
[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe like Carlyd falls a little bit off towards the end. Yeah, actually probably has one of the
[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_02]: More whimper over bang exits in the post merge of survivor 43
[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Where it's just a pile on vote where he plays his shot in the dark and like basically everything kind of converges on to him
[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, Shappelle? Do we think we want to see a 20-lingual old Samuel Yati should we
[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Reincarnate his game much like the the pets that he is bringing into the afterlife?
[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I will plant my flag Sammy is the teenager that we need it. He is the one
[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_03]: No, so will walled gave it a good shot Michael yogurt good showing
[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Sammy is the one Sam is the one we were promised. I think that Sammy's game is so fun
[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He does not ever like a the will wall struggle was that he cuz like I need to take control of something
[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to do something here because no one's gonna take me seriously
[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Sammy started flipping and flopping right around the merge and he just never stops
[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They all vote him out because he's so erratic they're like we can't trust him. He's burned everybody
[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And his play to play the shot in the dark. It wasn't like a normal shot in the dark play where it's like
[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody is whispering oh you're fine. Don't play a shot in the dark. I'm gonna vote for somebody else
[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Sammy comes in and announces. I'm playing my shot in the dark
[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So we can come up with another plan right now, but I'm playing it anyway because I can already tell my back is against the wall
[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_03]: y'all are trusting and kidding anymore
[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But he did such a good job. And I don't think of Sammy makes it to the end people are questioning
[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Sammy old enough for mature enough to get the money now that might be a question that they should be asking
[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Because in 19 year old that's a wild thing to give somebody
[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I was just final words when you wanted to talk about getting a Tesla with the money
[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he said I really like Tesla's my mom's not a fan of that and so maybe giving me a million dollars
[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Is not the right thing to do and which point he's probably correct but the same time I think that if he gets to the end and says I'm 22
[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: blah blah blah blah
[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And then after they give them money he reveals these 19 people will be shocked. I think he can't he cared of so pretty well in the game
[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't see any professionals about people saying I don't think he's not I don't think he's 19
[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was in control of a lot of you know some of the bigger moments in the season because they don't happen
[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Sammy isn't flipping and flopping all over the place he he helped make the season. It's a lot of worse if Sammy's not there
[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So if I have to have one teenage attorney to my repair, it's Sammy
[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think he could sort of represent that dynamic as well now it's tough because like he's 21 now
[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: As it's sort of like the child actor growing up is he comparable to someone like Xander who was like two years older than him than he played
[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but like also the fact of the matter is we might be looking at
[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: 47 48 49 might have teenagers on that season that would kind of set the season of blaze and probably get passed over Sammy
[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But he does feel like the placeholder young contestant that production would want to see back this patch
[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: My home's look alike might find himself in the survivor super bowl of 50
[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the one I'm telling you I've seen these other teenagers play and they wish they could do what Sammy does
[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And he does it well when he's doing it well eventually he doesn't run out of runaway
[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was a very fun game to watch and he's I think he's also a great character
[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think that he would have a valiant effort in his first time on us if I've ever any
[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: If you were to come back again, I could see him do him better
[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about no well here because no well is is just such a triumph of a presence on
[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Survivor. I just watching what she was able to do again like jumping off that box
[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know with their prosthetic not in enough course the challenge that she wins
[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Epicly that in the episode that she ends up getting voted out in right where like she comes from behind
[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: To win that trip to the sanctuary where good things happen and I would say from a strategic perspective
[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe she is not nearly up there as the other two Vesis that she was working with for a brief period of time
[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'll go back to that move at the split tribal council where her no and conduct this plan
[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Where she uses its vote steel that she got from shipway island to
[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Steel his vote to fey in that Owen was going home and there was nothing anyone could do about it
[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So James felt safe enough before he ended up getting blindsided
[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's like a spark to know well that we saw even outside of the impressive challenge feeds that she is a part of
[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course again, she is somebody that like Ryan will serve on the Olympic team at the the Paralympics this year and Paris best of luck to her and
[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan
[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think no well is somebody that
[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Production would want to see come back for another lap around the track if you will I mean
[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: No well being a limpian automatically just makes her so
[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Like so much fun of a person to think about on survivor like she's done it already
[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: She's now going back like you said going to Paris
[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So if she comes back a Olympic gold medalist no will
[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_03]: From survivor 43 who wants a second shot at this I'm not thinks survivor is gonna deny her
[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if she's at the top of their list she had a you know like of all the flashy things that we've talked about
[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Throughout this this post merge game
[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean every character that we've talked about this far we've had just crazy things to say about them Jesse Carlis Cody Sammy
[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You get to know well and it's a little less flashy but she even like you said she even had that moment with James Jones
[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_03]: There's also the fact that every ever since she hits the merge people keep saying how do we get no well out?
[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like that's the recurring theme Jesse says it several times like she she had
[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Why does the number one but you know prior to that she had
[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Ali has the number one, you know she just keeps these number once she just keeps it
[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Start feeling it. I was a number one. Yeah, she just came in at her first travel council basically
[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know she's got to keep switching in all of her number ones at different points
[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And they say well we just can't get her and because she's a fighter and you know
[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got some really iconic challenge wins as well the one that you were talking about earlier
[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Where she hops across the balance being essentially on one foot because it's hard to get across on her prosthetic and then she
[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_03]: She catches up to everybody and like the beanbag throwing portion of it and she ends up winning from behind
[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeff calls it one of the biggest comeback of all time, you know you have a highlight real like that
[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I think that it's very easy to picture case if you want to be on survivor 50
[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's briefly do to ponder the other three members of this train. I don't mean that to necessarily put down
[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan James or Jeanine, but if I would quickly talk about their chances of getting back on
[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan I think especially has a story now and he stood out enough to release get a little bit of
[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: C. Money, but I feel like his edit was so quiet and it does it did seem like his game was largely
[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: A so-sator around like being that alpha male provider and less about the gamingness
[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Did I don't yes that can be a unique way to bring somebody back
[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's somebody they want and necessarily bring back for 50 James
[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I love James. I especially love James on podcast. I think James has such a great way of talking about the game and bringing these new
[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Perspectives in but again, I think especially compared to his other two allies on
[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Coco I think he would probably be number three to return out of that alliance just from a character perspective and
[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Janine again, I feel she's a little bit more of a plot returning than a character returning where she just has you know
[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: This story lied where you know she like a
[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Gash on her face there just seems to be
[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Misery kind of following her everywhere between having Ellie get taken out at the merge
[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Then losing Dwight and her idol to then getting voted out herself and then watching Jesse play her idol at the final five
[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: There was unfortunately a lot to Jeanine that unfortunately went wrong
[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see on the surface when make for a fun returning
[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like especially across the new era there were other people that could kind of fill that whole
[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Where Jeanine maybe doesn't necessarily make up for that in terms of be the character type cheaper
[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's Charlie Brown too. You know she's Charlie Xiex Brown you know
[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like she's come for a murder
[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she comes into the merge and she just she can never get anything go even in the pre-mode
[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, the old the stuff with gay blur and Ellie and the going through it back
[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeanine is
[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Trying to bounce back from that and getting blindsided left and right. You know at some point she's just begging please
[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Just let me in on the plan, please
[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't think she did enough to where people are gonna be clamoring for her to come back
[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think she comes back. She has a good story to tell
[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Same thing with James Jones who's just the
[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: The fallen person from that alliance they get him out relatively early
[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The show shows us like you kind of start feeling himself. We see the him and Owen get into it a couple times
[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but we do yeah, but we don't love a character and James is definitely that you know
[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He asked some strategic chops. We saw in the game
[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But ultimately as a survivor character I'd love to see him play again if possible
[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if he's who people are gonna go to initially
[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'd love to see James on and then Ryan to your point
[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He yeah, he was big on the providing portion. We got a lot of fishing and stuff from Ryan
[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think you can get that from a lot of different players in the new era now, you know a lot of players that are like oh
[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I went out to the ocean. I really enjoyed it, but they can also bring the strategic element that I think Ryan wasn't really involved in
[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I highly doubt I'd see these three back, but any of them would be great on TV again
[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think if I had to pick one of the three probably be James Jones
[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with that and yeah for for Ryan's archetype
[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's safe to say there are plenty of fish in the sea
[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep fishing, Shappelle. Let's talk about our pre-murch here now. I have said this in a previous new era podcast
[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially that I feel like from 41 through 46
[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be very tough for a pre-murger to make it onto the ball
[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe let alone onto the seas in just because again the cast and especially those that make the jury can be such powerhouse characters
[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Ed players but let's still entertain the options here so working our way up we have our rainbow queen
[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: First boot in Mariah we have the aforementioned justine Brennan
[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Nekka who ends up getting taken out by her closest allies due to unfortunately
[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Not doing terribly well in the challenges
[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Lindsay who is seemingly in the end in Coco where it's like the women and James, but she gets so
[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: At least from our perspective wild up with paranoia that her own alliance takes her out
[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Gio who after surviving that first vote is so
[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Overly confident only to get blindsided right before a mergeatory
[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We have our mergeatory boot in alle who was a huge character this season someone who was this early power player on
[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Baka but then her and Gaveler go from tight allies who bond over their mutual clinical love of metal
[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: To basically oil and water to the point where Gaveler's gonna go after alle immediately and it causes her to be the mergeatory boot
[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then someone who is of course near and dear to both of our hearts
[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Chappelle in the form of
[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Dwight Moore who experienced an on island divorce and on island robbery in the form of genieins idle add
[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So much more. Who do you want to touch upon from this group?
[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I do love Dwight. I do love white
[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's gonna be hard for Dwight to make any one of these casts and because he is a pre-merger
[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean not it will not a pre-merger, but he's he'd free jury
[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But that said he he probably should have made the jury. I think this is when I started to really see the flaw with
[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Dwight going out within the spot that he went out in because I'm like
[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He was right there. He should have been on the jury and I think he never did a different conversation
[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And this was also that we are challenged where they partnered up and like hitting him and make it
[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think maybe he did make it to the final stage of that last challenge a pressure of a fate
[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like him
[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Cody maybe Gaveler definitely because he was the one that won it and like one other guy maybe
[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think yeah, so Lisa he's wide had a chance like fully compete in his final immunity challenge
[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that yeah, I think Dwight was a fun character. I just don't think that you know
[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think and he gets lost in the cast. I think that you know he becomes one of Jesse's early victims
[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know and I guess even his his boat out is kind of entertaining, but you know
[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the the bigger story from his boat out is that
[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Janine's idle who will go on in his pocket or not, you know, and Jesse will run off to that to the eat
[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the fun week in survivor history where we were really well now in a certain path and Dwight is
[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_02]: roll back to tape. Dwight was incredibly good at double talk in the exit press that he conducted with a bunch of us
[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: say not saying explicitly like oh Jesse held onto the idol
[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But he also did an explicitly say yep, I was boated out with it in my sock
[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He more so reference details the basically led up to that moment
[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Just goes to show the trickiness that this guy would bring as a habitual storyteller on blood on the clock tower
[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can't trust him. You can't trust anything Dwight says if he comes back to play again
[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He's immediately a target because I said so so Dwight if you come back for survivor 50
[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's keep your guard up because I can't wait to bring in like the the stock photo of you of like
[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There's this guy, Chipel who put everyone against me and pretty game the lion's it's that
[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going out. Oh, if that's what I'm doing let me go talk about Jesse a little bit more I can act it's way things
[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Your power man, so one the other pre-mergers that I really want to talk about here is Ellie because I think out of the seven
[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, she is the biggest character she undergoes basically a several episode arc up again
[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The mover and the shaker who seemingly decides the Moriah boot in the first episode to basically having every one turn on her
[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Emerge to a due to gay blurs spreading all this stuff a lot of like shaking up pressure
[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically from the two of them throughout the pre-mergers where they don't go to tribal council again after this first vote
[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it just leads to so much conflict between the two I think on paper Ellie would be someone that would be really fun to see back because
[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we saw evidence of her finding herself in a power position having the wherewithal and again
[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_02]: She was a therapist right like she had the acumen to be able to connect with people on so many levels that she felt
[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Really good with a lot of different people and then it just wound up with like the one person she really didn't
[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Got out ahead of her and led the charge and turned everybody against her in the moment
[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_02]: The unfortunate new shapel is that
[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if you remember and I'm going to to shock you when I say that there was somebody from this season that was maybe
[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_02]: unfairly maligned by the fan base at the time and that was Ellie
[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: If you were online at the time Ellie did receive a fair amount of criticism during her time on the show and
[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She was not having a great time by the end of the experience she is somebody who you know
[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't really have much of a social media presence but from what I've been told has kind of largely left the show behind
[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: At this point kind of moved on with her life
[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So and maybe this is making a huge assumption and maybe if people can dispute me in the comments and say that no
[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Really does want to play again if asked I would reconsider and maybe even give her a wild card spot
[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think Shapel she is a rare new era returning who would not want to return again
[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's incredible because I was coming in here to say that Ellie played a
[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: wacky game, you know, and the time as she was there. I mean for her to be a pre-merger
[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: The game that her and Janine were trying to pull off was just so funny to me, you know
[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They go through gay blues bag
[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There's one point where they're trying to convince gayler that his idol doesn't work so he won't play it
[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It like I think always says you know, you know
[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, they were trying to have a lot of advantage gaslighting right of like oh this I was going for the traffic council
[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it isn't it's not gonna don't play it and we see them celebrating like oh my god
[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's totally gonna go for like stuff like that is it. Yeah. It's a flawed to bother game
[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's fun to watch it's fun to see people make big swings and then sometimes this wings don't work out
[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Ellie's moment with gay blur lives on all the way to the end of the season
[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It is literally gay blurs like crowning the achievement is I got out Ellie and then I hit again
[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And from there people were like oh good enough for me
[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So Ellie's tied to gay blur in a way and I think that people are not fair to people like Ellie who come out and try to give us good TV
[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Good like maybe not the best strategy, but they try to make this whole thing entertaining for them
[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And for us and had that worked we'd be talking about Ellie in a completely different light
[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely not to again
[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Broadbrush any of the other people in this pre merge again
[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I really thought there was a lot of appeal in people like Lindsey and just seeing those that I think on paper
[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We're kind of primed to go far but got taken out for one reason or another
[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone like Mariah who again just like really stuck out from a personality perspective obviously quite a literal
[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: colorful character someone like geo was like in a time
[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe the show wasn't necessarily characterizing people as quote unquote villains
[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the closest to it besides like the whole james and oin altercation of just again someone that was very
[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Competed in his position in the game deceptively so
[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I just think that you probably good point earlier that like to why this somebody that is very fun
[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know in a silo almost but when you
[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Put them against is the rest of this cast especially when it comes to the task of having to put only a select fee on this list
[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, they don't really measure up
[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the only one of the people you've named so far that I'd probably stump for I mean a little bit of a
[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Sospatford just in because I feel like you know
[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what are you gonna do?
[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Coaties just like completely just made you a target for guinea sales person. It's been a billion salesman
[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oinsales people on survivor you're the first one who I've ever heard that used as a selling point to both them out
[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So you know I'll give her a little credit for that but Lindsey I think Lindsey uh, Lindsey is robbed
[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Lindsey needs a little bit further than the game and she does she does pretty good
[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she was in a great alliance
[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that they say her paranoia took over but I'd say that she'll plant with some sharks and I think that when it comes with
[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Carla and James
[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They were looking for blood. They were looking for somebody to they could they were trying to make a move and Lindsey just was sitting right there like offering herself up
[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: On accident she like she I think that she was in a great spot and had she been able to maintain that
[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She would have gone far in the game. She's a obviously a
[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Big fan of the show. Yeah, she's athletic
[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: She has some strategic chops we saw in the few episodes she was on and so we had to pick one pre-merger to go on our pig Lindsey
[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she's a pediatric nurse as well
[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So unfortunately she knew blood all too well and that's what took her out of the game for those sharks
[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, she paled time for us to go
[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Shark hunting
[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Time for us we let us a lot of praise on to the cast of survivor 43 but now we got to put our money for our mouth as much like gable or did
[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: With his winnings so
[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Give me
[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this I did this for a couple seasons once you give me your top five
[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Right now and we'll see if our list match up at all
[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well I've already I've already took my hand a little bit so I have to have to put Carla on
[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't see any world where you just pass her up she did such a good job
[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Whether they love her a header. I think they even like we talk about survivor needing villains
[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So let her be the villain. I don't think she would have any issue with that at all
[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that she would relish it and I think this she would wear it will
[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I think she kind of wore it in the season too
[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Dorn to season I think she didn't mind being cut throw and
[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: If that if that's what makes a villain and I think Carla can live in that space and she would do well to to play a second time
[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I have to say Owen
[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I like I say I know that vote's gonna come down to Owen and Jake probably you know in our minds
[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: If that's if that's where we're looking at but for me
[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll always be Owen he's such a fun player. It was he was so rudeable you know
[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: He talked about his past and you know how he felt like other by the cast in a lot of ways and how they reminded him of being other
[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That when he was younger and growing up as yeah
[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Adopted and the only Asian in his area, you know, and it's in his community and so he's like yeah
[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I felt that and I think his story resonates and so Owen the challenge be I would love to see it again
[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be so much fun
[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Um
[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Then it gets a little bit more complicated because
[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm struggling with Cassidy
[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I am
[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I like to say I think she just better suited on the challenge in general. I just think that's where you will want her
[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've already said that if I have to pick a teenager, I'm going with Sammy so I think oh yeah
[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go with Sammy for that spot instead of Cassidy
[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh as was that number three
[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that was like assuming that you had a
[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: SC in as like I didn't say that oh
[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if you have if you have Carla Owen and Sammy that's three so far
[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Carla Owen and Sammy those are those are three-day pop out immediately and
[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Being weird about it, but yeah Jesse of course would come back. I think that's yeah. I think that's safe to say
[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to pull up a blind slide on his level
[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to see if like how long he gets through this would I would like you know
[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Throwing something through a window like she felt really
[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah Jesse comes back as well. I mean who put up a better showing than Jesse without winning?
[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of the person right now
[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh and then I think that's four
[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess at that point I think I'm kind of on the fence. I don't know if I should oh
[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess another thing that we really haven't talked about is it the majority of the women that this season go out pre-merge
[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And it really likes the the jury segment a little bit, you know one side it, you know
[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like we don't have a lot of the the huge characters on the women side
[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want like to put in a couple words and then but as you take it over shadow
[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the the flashy gameplay of the other people in the top five or in the top eight
[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I should say after no well goes
[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, so I'm stuck. I think I'm stuck here for Mike
[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the thing is that really for me it's picking fly about at the top eight and again
[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I know offense to gay blur and people who've finished nine through 18, but that's what it really comes down for me
[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I can agree about
[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Owen Jesse Carla. I think those three we can officially lock in
[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Cody again is someone I could very easily see same
[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so I think we put them on there as well, so that honestly leaves one spot up between
[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Cassidy Sammy Noel
[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really wish no well was a bigger character because I wish I could say they like she's a lot
[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just don't think she is. I think that there were a lot of character moments dealing with her and her
[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: prosthetic and you know some of the big challenge moments like you said
[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think we got to know a lot about no well outside of that you know
[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't see I don't see the thing that I latch on to for no will even though like
[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that as an Olympian we're blessed to even have her one into spend time with us on this show anyway
[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know if you can get her and then like I say for Cassidy. I don't know what story we're trying to tell if it's his time
[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The robbed goddess who should have won and I'm coming back to find got to Cassidy can do it and then like I'd say if you have to put on a
[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: A young lad from any of these seasons. I think Sammy's my number one pick
[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a matter of deciding who gets that third spot
[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's that the the question is like
[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we do we need a teenager?
[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I like do we think that the show wouldn't necessarily always go in that direction especially
[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Would it work for again, so if they bring back like people from the old school days that are like in their 50s or 60s?
[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Would it be fun to have them interact in the future? But they more so say like
[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, we don't necessarily need a teenager
[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So for me it probably does come down to one of Cassidy or no well and I think like no well is obviously a more unique cast member
[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But Cassidy has that like huge
[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Narrative behind her so
[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Mmm
[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the toss it's a real toss up much like yeah, no well with the sandbags
[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, to me it's closer so no well versus Sammy I'd go with Sammy Sammy versus
[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: No well versus Cassidy I probably go with Cassidy
[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm thinking that I think maybe Cassidy we just have to give her the spot
[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think this would be her redemption art she made it to the finals and because I personally
[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I know people been talking about their criteria as as far as what does they want to see like the theme of season 50b
[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Second chances when you know
[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Are we bring it back winners are we not bring it back winners?
[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I've always approached this like
[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: They lied this is only new era another you old
[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me go
[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I was up for a couple years
[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just I Jeff said that to keep you off from going on the shows if you fall for it and good luck
[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I hope they worked out for you have fun on Dandy but I think that
[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that they're gonna be leaning into the new era in which case some of the big names that we have from the new era
[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Gonna have to fill in these spots and I think that Cassidy has a
[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: As a step-to-date ticket if she wants it, I think that the cast will have her and listen
[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a very good chance that even a season again like 43 which is maybe not highly regarded by everybody
[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we've made a case for a good amount of them in this podcast that through the wild car through the fan votes
[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that there'll be people probably clamoring for no well people clamoring for Sammy
[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we shall see so I would not be surprised if more people make it onto less but right now
[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Japan we just went clean through the order two through six
[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have on the list with ages
[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Cassidy Clark 28
[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: oh in night 32 Jesse Lopez also 32
[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Carla Cruz Cadoy 30 and Cody Awesome locker 37 look at that
[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what look when Rob comes back for the the wild card or whatever he does when he goes and you're at all the rest of the people make sure you're
[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Put in the good word for Sammy from me. I think he'd be fun to watch there you go
[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the Chappelle recommendation and also she'll recommend you can go after a delight if you can
[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, do I yeah, please please and thank you
[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Quickly last thing we always do on the Chappelle
[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We've already kind of talked about with Cassidy whether she's kind of raised her stock and appearing on a show outside of survivor
[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Who from this cast would you want to see in a show outside of survivor?
[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I like to say I've said it enough but Cassidy on the challenge
[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's made for that show. I think now that she started to show that she is somebody to you know to be messed with
[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_03]: On the jallies in those one-on-one competitions people are gonna put some respect on her name
[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: very quickly
[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we if we weren't to get maybe like the Cody or Sammy on this season. I could see them doing the challenge
[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe even maybe even no well, you know
[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just something that is competition based I see that she she rose to the occasion and a lot of ways where people probably would have
[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: to turn out with her prosthetic leg
[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They were moments where it was slipping off because it was so sweaty and stuff like that during the season
[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was it was kind of gripping watching her play and so I would love to see her do more challenges if that's what she wants to do
[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then other shows you know the traders. I think Carla would be really good on the traders
[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously Jesse another good one that would be fun on the traders
[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think there's a few of them that could find themselves and other in other
[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Lanes James James jams great on the traders. I think there's a few of them there could yeah go on to do big things
[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It even like outside of the island. I would love to see James on the mole in particular
[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, I think James would be very fun
[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He'd be quite devoid of the crowd in a manner speaking in terms of like asserting his dominance
[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Calling people out having suspicions etc
[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he would be one of these very fun types to have on a show like that and his like absolute
[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Consternation imagine him and I went like freaking out that the pot gets trained for the umpteen time because somebody took an exemption
[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be so much fun
[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It did interesting because like gay blur looks like he belongs on toughest nails, but he's like a heart valve specialist
[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't exactly have like a tough as nails job though
[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They did have one time like a nurse on the show
[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they'd still sort of talk about it
[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But it feels like he's kind of coded to be on that type of show
[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I'd love to see gay blur on the mole
[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think that that's another one where if he was the mole no one was suspected
[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We were or they'd suspect it and then they'd let it go
[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You know that was kind of what they didn't this season early on this and this man's cracked
[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's trying to use his shot in the dark at the first tribal council
[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: He gets to the merge. He instantly just completely out
[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Janine and Ellie their whole thing
[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like yeah, she came after me so that's who I won out is like in front of everybody at the merge fees
[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I could see him you know being in these spots where he has to either prove that he's trustworthy and
[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Doing it very well as we saw in survivor or you know being somebody who was out here sabotage people and they just don't see it because the alligator has gone back on the water
[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Last one I would bring up would be
[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: To see Jesse on squid game the challenge like if feels like his arc was almost something out of a scripted show
[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Right like I've got to do these you know dirty deeds to get money
[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, some money get that money baby and look
[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen his son has certainly had some experience with maybe a now disgrace to you too
[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Birds so I think it's that would Jesse's turn to get thrown into the lot with a bunch of random people to try to win a big lump some of money
[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Don D. I think it'll be another good one for you for Jesse, you know where it's like a it's a lot more
[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Strategic than people probably would let on you know and then you start watching it
[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You say oh okay some people are willing to really do a lot to get to the end of this
[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe what was that stupid show on that was greed or something like that not the trust the trust the trust the
[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Story of greed a game about greed as I yeah, that's Jesse greedy is hell and so
[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's willing to cut everybody's broets and and get away with it
[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They probably be willing to give them the money at the end or or we sign them up to do just firemaking until he wins one
[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see
[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Just put them out on the island. That's it. You know it. It's just a live feed of a camera station air camera filming
[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: 24 hours a day as he tries to make a fire. It's like the ultimate scissor face for a modern day
[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he says I look he's not bad at fire
[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He was just worse than gay blur, but since gay blur we've seen other people who are who would destroy Jesse and fire
[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Heidi what is he gonna do against Heidi you know so I just think that
[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Jesse has a lot of things that would leave me to want to see him on television again and he can just choose where that is
[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well this was an absolute fire pot passing that some kind of laying to the shortlist in the form of putting on
[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Cassidy Owen Jesse
[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Carla and Cody to the wish list tomorrow
[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: season
[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: 404 one that is full of
[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Metavax including the earliest one in the show's history
[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: romance
[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: alliances of cookie characters running things behind the scenes and one of the most unique winners in the show's
[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: History I'll be joined by my partner on the bnb
[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Leon of Boris and early makes it even that is a very comical season to talk about the fun and games that exist within 44
[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Chappelle is there anyone from 44 that would make your personal
[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Castless that who you'd want to see on 50 oh yes, oh yes, so many honestly
[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I said that you know, I don't really think they're gonna go pre new era and that's great for me because
[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: That means we can have winners on and seeing Jam Jam again would just be
[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Perfect for me. I just I love Jam Jam so much
[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: We will one we will also see the first of two time player Bruce
[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: In that season you mentioned them once without Bruce as an all-star just makes it's to me
[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He just feels like one of those players like the first three time player in the new era would be great for Bruce
[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many other great characters on this show. You and Leon are gonna have a great time or have had a great time recording that
[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So they can come out tomorrow or yeah
[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: This way
[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm waiting over the final week of these wishlist podcasts. I can't believe it
[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We are barreling down to the end and what a way to start this for anybody who had a case of the
[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Mondays. I hope it was promptly cured by the pod past today that we did Chappelle
[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much and bringing your excellent self to these podcasts as pre-usual
[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You have so much going out there you are as a wash with trinkets as Jesse is with idols in terms of podcast
[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you have to plug for everybody out there?
[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a question did you not did you help put the war dog on to the ballot?
[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: We have not put the war dog onto the ballot. Okay, you know, I have uh I had the inside track because I talked to him recently on my podcast recap kickback
[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He came on to the the house of the dragon covers that I do a Mario fourth over there
[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He was our dragon expert and I asked him during that podcast when he come back for his survivor 50 and so he had some
[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: some interesting words you have to go check that out and recap kickback
[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go subscribe to the podcast recap kickback.com
[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The YouTube dot com slash at recap kickback to keep up with the entire recap kickback playlist where we're talking about house of the dragon right now
[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We have Abbott Elementary coverage on there
[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: We've done some recent Olympics conversations with the tire starts
[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a lot of fun and so people can check that out on my podcast recap kickback
[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It recap kickback.com
[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I believe at the time this is coming out of actually be the day after the house of the dragon season two finale
[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And so some nice and to say that you and Mario have a lot talk about and we voted in the call easy
[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that's Cassidy's handle on Instagram as well, so it's only appropriate well you can check back in with us tomorrow
[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: As our barreling towards the end continues with survivor 40 for all be joined by my second and third
[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Suge in the form of Leonah Boris to break it all down cannot wait
[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all so much for listening as for usual let us know who you would want to see from survivor 43 on the ballot in the comments until next time everybody take care
[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Bye bye