Survivor 50 Wish List | Season 42 with Brian Scally

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 Wish List Podcast in off-season series.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to figure out who could and should come back for the upcoming return season

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: of Survivor 50. My name is Mike Blum and I know E-Mew is excited to talk about Survivor 42

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the initial seasons of the new era that threw out pretty much the same exact bundle

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: twist that 41 did, but with a completely new group that we are going to talk about today as

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: we try to figure out at the beginning of the new era who could make the list for,

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: perspectively, the end of the new era on Survivor 50. Now of course I am not alone here and

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: for a season that was very much about shifting voting blocks and allegiances free agents if you

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: will. I think it's only appropriate that we bring on a co-host from the free ages podcast, as well as

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: recently wrapped coverage of Love Island here on Rob has a podcast. It is Brian Scally.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Michael, I'm so excited. Thank you so much for having me here, getting to talk about what is

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: potentially my favorite new era season of Survivor. I am, oh yeah, I know I love 42. I think it's

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the right mix of like fun personalities a little bit of trauma like definitely some mixing it up

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: in the votes. So I am so excited to tackle what I feel like is a cast that could have a lot of

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: consequence on season 50. Yeah, I mean I agree that whenever I'm thinking about what are my favorite

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: seasons of the new era obviously I think 45 and 46 loom at the top of mind not only with

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the resen sea but due to things like now I give in at episode scaled back twist etc especially

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: compared to 42 but I've always said that 41 and 42 are seasons where the cast kind of works

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe in spite of some of the stuff that the show is bringing in again this is stuff that is going

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: to introduce a bunch of these new twists of wear advantages, uh, knowledge's power,

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: mergatory, do or die, the hourglass etc. That's not new to us but is new to this group because of

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: right after season 41 era but I say even more so than 41 these people were able to take some of

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: those factors and just turn it into a very fun chaotic season and really starts this kind of trend

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Scally aware not to broadbrush too much but I do feel like in the new era the odd number cast

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: tend to be by comparison, so many more like even killed groups that either might be a few like

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: hand out cookie personalities but these are definitely more of your down to earth people

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: as opposed to every even numbered season they really take a lot of the uh, wackodoodles to

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: quote survivor 46 and put a lot of the big personalities in one cast and that starts right here with

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor 42 and the people we're talking about today. Yeah I feel like people often are pointing

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: to like okay odd number seasons is where they bring the long time fans the new era see like the

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: even number seasons are where they're bringing more of the new generation maybe a little fresher

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: or less of fans in some cases and but I don't think that's necessarily the case here I think

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: these people are just as big of super fans they are just a little bit more wacky personalities

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and can't help themselves in some cases. Yeah so what's interesting is we certainly talked about

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: this with 41 as to looking back I have some of the people been sometimes unfairly

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: off-的是 with the fact that there have been other people that have been popped up that we

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of forget about uh the the hotness that kind of raised around some of these cast members

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: do you feel that's the case with 42 as well or do you feel like some of these people's

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: either legacies on the season or perhaps social media activity have kept 42 in the conversation

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: more than 41. I do think that 42 on average is probably a little bit more in the conversation

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: than 41 it's as it currently stands but I think that there are people where if there were

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: returning seasons like as frequently as there were like the 20s and 30s a lot of these people

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: would have had a much better shot like oh they were robbed they were a second maybe third to

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: your character on a season but like we would really like to see them back and I think some of

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: those people have fallen the way of even some of the larger characters of 41 getting out

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: shined by uh some future new hotness in the new era. Well listen we're here to turn up the flames

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: once again perhaps and shine a spotlight on this very fun cast for this very fun season and so

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: like Jonathan in raging waters carrying all of his tribe and a ladder let us search ahead

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and let's talk about our final three from survivor 42 of course we have our zero above

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: finalists in Romeo we have the oldest cast away of the season and our runner up in Mike but of

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: course we need to start with maybe one of the most unpredictable winners from a character perspective

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly in the form of Mary Ed who really goes to show Scally I think why you never truly

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: count anyone out of survivor especially going into the last two episodes. Mary and is part of

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: what made the new era so exciting just from like find new awesome personalities put on TV but also

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: in that it made the game so unpredictable you had someone who may have been played for a little

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: more of the laughs early on and she was still delivering on that front but she leave then turns

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that like winning equity around at the end and converges on it and converts on it and actually

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: goes ahead and takes the win obviously a lot of people were not expecting it early on but by the end

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: of the season everyone's talking about how great of a game Mary and actually played. Right and I think

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: people oftentimes especially talking about the new era point two Mary Ed's betrayal of Omar

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and the use of the extra vote that she had in her pocket pretty much since what like

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: she went to shipway island in the premiere I'm pretty sure and so it was her, Dreia and Jenny

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and so pretty much from the beginning she held onto this until nearly the last opportunity that

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: it could be played and she used it to cut her number one ally out from under her before if it came

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing to do in survivor 46 and then she strings together this final tribal council of

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: ornaments one of the most impressive in recent memory and certainly one of the only few in

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor history that kind of felt like it changed minds in at the moment. We'll certainly talk

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: about this with Mike but I think a lot of the conventional wisdom was that people were going in

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and certainly they were you know definitely re-manating on Omar and famously turning to Mary Ed

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and saying oh it was you on the way out in her son of like claiming that but she you know she still

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: protected enough to have Mike playing idol on her because Lindsey is such a big threat.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She's the one that sort of caches in on that relationship with Romeo that she's been supporting

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: apparently this entire postmurs that lets him take her to the end and then she comes through

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: at the element hour with props as well added allow the jury to give her props too where she

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of serves as the punctuation at the end of her final tribal council sentence by pulling out

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: idol that she didn't even she didn't found surprisingly for the new era did not tell anybody about

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and didn't even need to play and that was enough for the jury to handle it.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Give her the victory of course Mary Anne has been a huge presence in the fan community since

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: her win always showing up on the R.H.P. podcast hell showing up with me to talk about survivor

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Cook Islands and she did say Scally that she feels like she would want to go back though she

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't necessarily think her chances are that great just because now everyone kind of knows

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: what she is capable of but listen between her personality and the fact that she now has a ring

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: on that finger I am all for Mary Anne to point out. Yeah that's the thing I feel like if there's

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: season 50 in Mary Anne's not on it like production did something wrong I enjoy Mary Anne's soul

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: much I get it low expectations of the key to happiness of Mary Anne comes back I will also be

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: preparing myself for heartbreak but why not give us the chance why not and what I will say as well

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: as I do feel like and it's tough because again we've only had six seasons so far in the new era

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: but it does feel like when I'm talking to these players before the season or even talking to

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: production at some points Mary Anne rings so high in terms of memorability there are so many

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: people who talk about watching Mary Anne Carolyn did for example and that first confessional Mary

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Anne has right about like I am here to show that you weird people out here you can come onto a

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: social strategy game like survivor and you can do well and you can thrive and maybe even you'll

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: walk away with a million dollars and so I do think that if you're thinking about of the winners

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: who is someone that production would want to bring back I would imagine that Mary Anne is either

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: number one or number two on that list not only because of the personality she brings but also she

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: has someone who has reverberated a lot with the audience and feature castaways yeah and that's also

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Mary Anne plays the game when she's only 23 and though it won't be that many years between 42

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and 50 overall it's still a big difference in life for 23 to watch you'll be like 2067 or so

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like that's a very different part of your life the years matter a lot more the earlier they are on

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: so I think that seeing Mary Anne like a little bit more grown up probably a pretty similar personality

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: but just a different stage of life I think would be very excited. All right let's move one step

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to her right here and talk about Mike Turner and Mike has this really interesting arc to him that

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: honestly is a little rare for especially modern day survivor where this is a guy who I think

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: at his face is all about preaching like honesty and loyalty right this is the oldest person in

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the season he's 57 years old he's a family man and so he wants to come in and yes still play the

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's somebody that wants to find that value of like I don't want to stray too far from my

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: own personal morality he's your said then done as we see in Mike's game where you know he is someone

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: who is in the know for pretty much everything going on in the post merge and it leads him to do things

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like turn on high as an example who he was very firmly in his corner throughout the pre-merge

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and it builds to this point where Mike had put together a very impressive game certainly a

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: lot of social relationships had someone to vouch for him on the jury in the form of Jonathan

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think this game saw by he cast also wanted Mike to be able to to admire the blood that

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: he was bathing it for a bit and instead Mike tried to take a fire hose and wash that blood off

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: of himself in that final tribal council he was the one that was kind of still saying like no

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I am somebody who wanted to play this game in a certain way and I feel like I did and I think

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you know and talking with people afterwards and even getting a sense in the moment it does seem like

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: what it came down to to Mike for Mike was a lack of ownership of this stuff that he was pulling

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: off in the game and that's a million dollar mistake that being said like I give so much kudos to Mike

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: in the moment especially I mean he is again probably the runner-up we have seen in the new era

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and certainly in a while who has like come the closest to losing it at the finish line maybe Charlie

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: comes in a close second ironically enough of he came in there as the odds on favorite and

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: lost out due to Marianne success and his failures in a manner of speaking but also if you

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: watch back that final tribal council he also kind of realizes it in the moment and that also

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: speaks to like how good of a guy Mike is as well as that during this after show which they decide

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to do despite the fact that two of these people are going to be devastated that they lost out

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: on a dream come true in a million dollar prize Mike is so incredibly supportive of the outcome

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the day and I can only imagine what had gone through his head throughout that evening.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god I as like a TV viewer obviously not knowing every single thing that goes on

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: on the island look at Mike as what I think is probably like the second best runner-up game in the

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: new era I think it's so strong I think partially through the faults of him not owning the actions

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that he was aware of and partially through Homer convincing him of a truth that may not be

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: an as true as it was so you know while he's in the know he might have been in the wrong no also

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: at certain points uh sell you know misinformed so Mike has a tough final tribal there and also

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: ends up against one of the best final tribals of all time I think that Mike on a return will

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: know the exact mistake he made and know how to fix that I don't see him as someone who like a coach

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: is going and insisting on playing honesty and integrity yet again I think that he would own his moves

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot more on a return and a Mike Turner return honestly more compelling than I think most people

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: would give it credit for it first glance. I don't disagree because yeah I do think when we talk

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: about big characters of the season we talked about Maryam will certainly get into a couple more but

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to your point I think when you take more of a glance at season 42 Mike's fingerprints are all over

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: he's one of the first people to find an idol he coins the iconic phrase there is such grace

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: in the song game of soccer it makes me cry and so I think this is someone that is willing to play

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the game which again for someone who at the time what's 57 years old that also says a lot and

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that also speaks towards a lot of people that they do put on these these eras uh this new eras season

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: people like Mike people like Julie people like Maria as like just because they fall into the

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: dumb and dad role doesn't necessarily mean they're going to sit back and there are survivor

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: recliners unlike watch the kids play Mike was someone that was eager to play from the beginning

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: to the point where I don't think he necessarily even realized some of the stuff that he was

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: doing towards the end he had sort of convinced himself that he was still you know honing close to

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the stuff that he wanted to do in the very beginning and not realizing that no this dude had

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: strong together a good amount of blind sites he's the one that helps uh evade the knowledge of

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: power for the second time in a row he plays an idol on Mary Ann he beats Jonathan in final four

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: firemaking I think a mic return would be very very interesting I think he has some of the most

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: appeal to your point from a runner up perspective especially next to Charlie I've like okay

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: do you need redemption because of this one very specific thing that happened how are you going to

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: do it and I don't know if Mike would be able to replicate that success but I really enjoy his personality

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy his hunger for the game and I think there is a really interesting appeal from a

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: personal perspective of like okay can I play this time and own up to the moves that I

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: made last time yeah and I think people I don't know if their ages are going to be included on

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: ballot when they're there though Mike will be 60 plus I think at the time of the number of

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: hyper-exactly he's exactly 60 right now so he probably be 61 next year yeah exactly uh I have no doubt

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that Mike could currently beat me up let alone some of these challenges so I definitely have

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: full faith in like being like in tip top shape to be returning to survivor and uh actually even like

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the muscle of his tribe yeah I mean he played at 57 it's not like oh he played 15 years ago what

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: is he look like now this is what he looked like for years ago so I think he looked pretty much the same

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: if not even more spelled at 60 years old which is like freaking wild and I also think from a realistic

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective I don't know if they're going to divide the cast into like equal parts old era

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and new era or if they're gonna go majority new era or what but I do feel like if you want to

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: go for more age diversity and capture some of the later days demo if you will in your casting

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: especially from a new era perspective I think Mike is right up there you know there are people

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: who who show not be named but who maybe the R in RHAP who definitely questions some of the

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: physical commitments of bringing back people in their 60s and early 70s I think Mike absolutely

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: proves that he can be back on that page considering he was only a few years ago yeah exactly I have

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: zero worries about Mike Turner I would have many more worries about people in their 30s from even just

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: couple seasons ago than Mike Turner so let's talk about Romeo here and Romeo is someone who had a

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: bit of an odd story you know he has had it kind of appears in fits and starts I think he's probably

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: most well known for A his friendship turned rivalry with high and then him kind of being

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say like the decoy vote but certainly only outs of a lot of stuff in the post merge

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: culminating in him being the surprising winner of the final four immunity challenge probably

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: most surprising winner besides Ben from season 46 just from an edit perspective a story perspective

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: really out of nowhere but comes back to one of his first moments on the show where he talks about

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: being his page in coach wanting to support young woman comes full circle when he brings a young woman

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: to the final tribal council and she ends up winning I mean Romeo if you check out the stuff that

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: he's been doing you absolutely should because he has been hustle laying if they did heroes

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: healers hustlers with this season this dude might be the captain of the hustlers tribe

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: considering he is making a name for himself behind the mic covering many red carpets many

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: interviews etc as an entertainment personality but Sally did you think that Romeo would be able to

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: show back up to the balcony for a second chance at survivor here it's hard I feel like Romeo is one

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of the main examples of the fandoms like view of what have you done for me lately kind of view

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of contestants where Romeo kind of goes out with much more of a whimper in his game than he

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: enters into it he in that pre-merge is essentially running the equitrib with tria like he is credited

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: as a big player we're getting lots of his perspective only to then come into the merge and get

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: loses all social capital there really is not a lot to talk about in his post merge game unfortunately

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but obviously he has shown the potential is there yeah I think so as well I think to your point

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: this is where unfortunately the realism begins to come in and especially from these modern

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: seasons the idea of okay are there other people clone quote in his archetype that would probably

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: be cast over Romeo and unfortunately tragically much like the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet I do

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: think that would be the case that Romeo seems like a great guy again he's been doing awesome stuff

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: with his career and I imagine if he got the chance to come back he would probably be a little bit more

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: bombastic kind of trying to almost overcompensate for the very quiet edit he got last time

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I just do not see production giving him that chance it would be a little out of nowhere he would

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: have some story maybe as like a zero bow finalist looking for some redemption but

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: there are certainly others including from this cast I would put on the list over Romeo

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I would be very surprised but not disappointed like if there was some world in which you

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: told me I could go watch another season of Romeo it happened and I somehow missed it like I would

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: actively excited to go check that out I just don't think that's going to exist in the world that we live in

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[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Scallik as we got a lot of characters.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We are truly the USA characters welcome.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though we have a couple of Canadians to discuss this group working our way up,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: we have a recent second place to finish her on the challenge USA season 2 in Chanel.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We have of course the Enigmatic Rocks Roy.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We have one of the biggest underdogs of the season in Tory Meehann.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We have, of course, one of the first big victims of the blind side street that happens mid-merge here in High,

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: going from High to Low.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We have the keeper of all of the advantages in Dreya.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We have, of course, around the shocking blind sides of the last episode before the finale in Homer.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have an all-around threat who, at the final six, winds up with an advantage,

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: amulet unused in her pocket, immediately getting voted out in the beginning of the finale in Lindsay.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have someone that we need to start talking about Scallik, which is Jonathan Young.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Because, and this was talked about actually with Ali Lashir during this week's Summer of Survivor,

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: last week's I should say when it came to passing a Survivor season using the Battle of the Air as format from the challenge,

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan is somebody who is so different from so many people that are passed in this new era.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: For anyone who unfairly sort of broad brushes the new era passes, like, well, the role is super fair, nerds.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't think that's the case, but Jonathan would very much be the exception to that.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He very much is kind of a call back to older seasons of Survivor, where Azza guy, who just his job is beach.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a beach company owner and he comes in with possibly one of the best physics in Survivor history.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He is whole king tall. He looks like Thor even gets referenced as such on the season.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And he is primarily remembered for being one of the most outstanding challenge performers in the show's history, where, again,

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned it before, but perhaps his most memorable achievement coming during that challenge that two out of three tribes could not finish

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: because the conditions were so rough. The one exception not even being Jonathan's tribe, but just Jonathan in general,

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: where he is dragging his entire tribe of four through the water. He's the one that's doing the final carnival game thing at the end of the day.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the other thing about Jonathan, is that yes, his Instagram handle may be young strength, but he is not just about strength because I'm pretty sure he, the challenges he won he won two individual challenges in the post merge.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: We're all pretty like dexterous and balancing, right where he wins the dog house challenge. Another challenge that infamilacy lasted like five seconds because of the conditions.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he wins the duere die challenge, which is the the Christian who bikki hold the bar challenge.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And so Jonathan showed a lot of his prowess across the board.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not another department's look. He was not necessarily known as the greatest strategist.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But even from a social perspective, he was seen as doing a lot of bikkering, especially with someone like Lindsay do the fact that his body was basically eating itself at a certain point because he was without his like 50 eggs or whatever he eats daily.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, looking back to the time that this aired and I can speak for myself having interviewed these castaways. Jonathan was far in a way the most popular interview I did not only at that time, but I would say for a long time and survivor.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean if I show up on a two tribe season and Jonathan's on the other tribe. I'm like, all right, how are we intentionally mad seeing metting at this point?

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we're losing every challenge. It's over what's the plan. He is such a hulk of a human being like there have been other people that have been compared to a Jonathan or his archetype in the new era.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But there is no more Jonathan than Jonathan, which sounds stupid but it's true. Like he is a completely different class of competitor of person on the show. I don't think there really is a even like 0.5 to one comparison to Jonathan in terms of characters. So love and we're hate him. He is a very specific person that they could cast on the show.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the closest comparison which people certainly did at the time is Hunter who I think in a different way showed an attitude for those tribal challenges where he came and clutch and the individual challenges as well again performing surprisingly well for someone of a bigger statue.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's also like, you know the longer hair, the beard, the southern draw. But it does feel a little different to being and again I do think especially in his hey day Jonathan was incredibly popular.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do think that he would be almost a law to bring back and I don't see anything that has said that he does not want to come back. Again, there's also a bit of a story there too with like maybe I don't know if this would be true that like if Jonathan wins fire making does he win the season.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's the case because again he did bristle with a number of people on this jury and I wouldn't necessarily say that like you know I would not be surprised if Jonathan brought the same appeal from a personality perspective that he did the first time around which is the Mr. Jeff of it all, which is maybe getting into arguments over food but that's pretty much it in terms of conflict.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think for Jonathan if they were to bring him on it's very much getting what you paid for and that this is a guy that will.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Assuming I do they if they keep the challenges the same just continuing to be stout throughout the first half.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would always have assumed Jonathan as a lock. I also assumed Jonathan was a lock for Kalin, USA somehow that does not happen. So maybe there is a world in which he somehow gets looked over again or it doesn't work out.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the time I remember like we're going to see Jonathan on three more seasons before 50.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well let's talk about someone that for a while seem to be the brains to his brawn. Let's talk about Omar because Omar is someone who almost like Mary and which is you know very fitting given the fact that she takes him out for this was someone that was running things pretty much behind the scenes the entirety of the post merge the point that he comes into my territory.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And does not have a vote. But is able to leverage that to actually being a good thing by basically like saying yes to all these plans realizing, oh I don't have to show my cars because I don't actually have to vote for anybody.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So it really wouldn't have mattered either way because Lydia goes in like a six to two to two to one vote that is still pretty inexplicable at this point, but especially when we get into like the high and drae a boots.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Omar was the one that was really orchestrating things behind the scenes. He's the one to your earlier point to spread that lie to Mike about high turning on him during the overnight pizza reward that then causes Mike to join his side and pretty much become one of his loyal soldiers until Omar gets taken out.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's oftentimes regarded as one of the best players to never win all the new era and again you speak about that redemption perspective. This is a guy that was like I was running my season until I was taken out and now is the time for me to prove that I can make good on a second chance.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there are some really good narrators on this season, but I think that the narrator of the season is Omar. Like this is told largely through his perspective he is the strategic powerhouse of much of this season.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He has the social relationships with almost every single person on this cast let alone just the merge beach that he comes in and portrays himself as an outsider with the outsiders little do they know he's also running the insiders group.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So Omar and as we've gotten to see since the game a huge huge personality.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That it's wild and I have become so lucky to become a friend of Omar and get to play with him in the social strategy game as well as podcast with him and this man and I say lovingly is incredibly chaotic just as a human being and it almost makes me kind of look back at season 42 sometimes it'd be like,

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: where did this Omar come from like it doesn't feel like Omar's natural state no baby it's because there was so much chaos going on around him that he was more so kind of like thriving and living it or rather than feeling like he needs to be the chaos and create the disorder because yeah if you've ever seen Omar in like a goose goose duck stream or even just on a podcast in general he is general disarray and I do wonder.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: If he comes back for a second season would he be more of that person and similar to Mary and could this be something where his reputation precedes him and even though he is more removed from survivor than some more recent.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Contestants that would make the season over him could people say like okay we got to keep an eye out on Omar because people did not for the vast majority of 42 when that was their problem.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah does playing up this goofier side to his personality help disarm people from his otherwise extremely strategic reputation like you don't know exactly how that's going to play play on the beach or does it just draw more attention to him so I think that.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Omar is someone who regardless of how many episodes he's honest always going to be a very fun character I have faith that he can play a great game yet again so someone that I definitely have a lot of interest in seeing play.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus I think now with the advent of 90 minute episodes that is perfect thought or to have Omar do a scene or he like analyze his each of his try mates as various animals that of course a talent he is brought to the B and B since his time on survivor I think it only makes sense it goes mainstream.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so ready I want to hear who everyone is as a bird I need to hear what animals everyone is the talent is unreal if we can have come back.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I already wanted Omar back but yet another check in the call it.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: All right well let's talk about.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm going to show you what's going on here.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Because, Drea is somebody that was an absolute force in the game to your point was basically running Eka alongside Romeo determining who goes and those two tribal councils.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And just accumulates advantages like they were nothing.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: She's the one who covers herself in the mud and blood to get her hand on the advantage

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and emulate.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: She gets an extra vote from Shipway, Lyle, and she finds an idol.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: She gets a, she finds another idol.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: She finds another advantage, I think, in the post merge where she has to dip her hands

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: into the red paint.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And she kind of has to go out with the money to spend.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Where it gets to a point where she just becomes way too dangerous, especially after

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: high leaves.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so everyone pretty much turns on her during the do or die tribal council.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And she kind of sees the writings on the wall.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: She does the extra vote.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She tries to use knowledge, just power to take bikes idle.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just is not working.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Dreia, of course, is also besides Mary Ellen and the people involved in this huge moment

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: during the Tory Tribal Council where they look at Rocks Roy and Chanel on the jury and

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: decide to make a stance to a prevent that another black person goes home.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That night and speaks about some of the inequities that come in a social experiment like

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Survivor, which was huge concern that again for them.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: This was like the first time they had an opportunity to talk about this.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Stings things like Black Lives Matter and the Black Survivor Alliance and the diversity

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: initiative being brought about.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So Dreia, Feber was absolutely there to the extent where Scali, Dreia is the first recipient

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: of Cia money in the new era that Cia had like randomly given Dreia some money.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And she was informed by third party and kind of ushered in Cia giving out multiple

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: words from 43 through 46.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think about Dreia being brought back here?

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a time in which I thought Dreia was, like if not the number one, like the number

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: two lock on this cast to come back, I thought Dreia was on everyone's like mine.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: She was at the front of everyone's order to come back and Dreia's kind of disappeared.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't really heard a lot from Dreia.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Dreia necessarily has been outshined by future cast.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: What that may be?

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know if the Feber is necessarily there for a Dreia return.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That once was.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: She was someone that played the game wasn't incredibly hungry to fight for any advantage

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: which the show absolutely loves.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder as well again, especially in an era where people kind of have a second life

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: on survivor on social media afterwards.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: She is one of these people to kind of pull away from the show for various reasons.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she really talks about it anymore.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: She is obviously keeping herself a little busy.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: She is, I believe as she still like a fitness influencer.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even more so after this.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So she would certainly be in very good shape for survivor 50, let alone the challenge.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder if to your point is the hunger there on behalf of the fans and the show to cast

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Dreia for 50 as opposed to like, if 45 was a returny season, she would be much more at a lot.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she has posted about survivor on Instagram and stuff for you.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think it's completely out of her view.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just don't know if Dreia is necessarily as hungry to come back as a lot of people on this

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: cast if she's constantly in the circles if she were to come back would she be as well connected?

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not sure about it, Dreia.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, well let's talk about someone that served as kind of her front of me throughout the course

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: of survivor 50.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about Tori, Scally.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, when we're speaking about the cast of survivor 42, there are a few big hits that

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: people usually go back to.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And Tori may not necessarily be someone that every one turns to.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But Tori has such an interesting arc in survivor 42 where she comes in having been of course

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: an alum of sequester.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously is a social strategist at heart and she shows how maybe sometimes it's a bit like

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: a square peg into a round hole when she tries also fluidly to connect with the younger generation.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you do fellow kids?

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I hear you like Harry Potter, even though I think Tori was 20, I compare to Zack and Swathe who

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: were like 19 and 20.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But still it felt a little awkward and put Tori on the out of the initially hern rock

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Roy also had a very push-in pull relationship where they were both very frank to each other

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: about how much they did not like each other.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And so coming into the merge, Tori was pretty much public enemy number one and what

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: kept her safe for so long was her becoming a bit of an immunity threat.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: She wins the first two individual immunity challenges back in the day Scally went due to the

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: hourglass twist.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: They did give all of the like now non-immune people one more chance to be safe by doing an

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_01]: individual immunity challenge.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Tori won that one when she definitely would have gone at that point and then at the final

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: 11 she wins an individual immunity challenge when she definitely would have gone at that point.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Finally things run out at the Splatribo council where she does end up losing immunity and,

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you know her boot is obviously much more about basically everybody but her at that Tribal

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: council and so people might not necessarily remember that Tori sort of went out a little bit of a

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: whimper in that she knows she's going, she plays her shot on the dark it doesn't necessarily work.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think I would not be surprised to see Tori back for a 60.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some fight that underdog that we saw, I think she popped enough on screen

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that I think people would remember her and she has some challenge prowess as well.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Tori is someone that I feel like in another world would be more popular than she is

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: probably right now.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that you can see like Tori's stand accounts popping up on Twitter that would not have been

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: surprising to me.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: She got the way she'd be the one having like a brat season.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I totally think that if we were given someone a brat season on my story, but I think

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: that Tori mostly functioned in this season as like kind of someone to clown on for the editors

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like they really played up Tori not fitting in, Tori having awkward conversations, Tori struggling

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: socially and I think that that's someone who can be compelling because

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: is that going to happen again?

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Or are they magically going to find their better footing in a different house?

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's interesting is that if you talk with season 42 people after words,

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: they had said that Tori was probably more well-liked than the edited indicated,

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: which granted is a bit of a low bar that but that she wasn't.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also remember in the moment there was probably discussions of like why don't you keep

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Tori around as a goat?

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody would vote for her.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't seem to be as much the case as maybe it was presented on the surface.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I would even say I've Tori were to come back like there's clearly some stuff that she needs

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: to improve upon and certainly be a lot smoother when it comes to socializing but

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily think she's someone that has to like completely overhaul her game if she even

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: wants a chance of winning a season.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it is just partially a matter of cast, part of Shulie, like the right time.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: She was only 24 so a couple more years definitely could not hurt for Tori as well as the experience

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: of having been on a season already so I can see her coming in with as like a very low key threat

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and actually being a lot more dangerous than people need to assume.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's talk about a person who went from a low key threat to a high key threat towards

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the end to the point where she was pretty much the dead woman walking going into the finale

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: if she did not win that final five immunity challenge.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Lindsay here and again, I would say that Lindsay is definitely one of the

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: more down to earth personality.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly when she is surrounded by Omar Jonathan and Mary Anne on her tribe but I've always

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: really enjoyed Lindsay.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: She is somebody that especially from an athletic perspective was one of the best performers

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in the challenges, oftentimes neck and neck with Jonathan.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe she ends up winning what two individual amenities same as Jonathan and Tori.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: She is somebody who only really gets targeted towards the end when it turns out that like

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: is becoming this big threat especially once the advantage amulet stuff was revealed.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But with someone that was also willing to be like a little more cut throw to get rid of a high

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and a dry-out to gain that idol that she ends up not necessarily using.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Tori Lindsay is somebody who like would not necessarily make the tipy top

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: of a list from a character perspective that I would want to see back but I can certainly

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: see come back because it does feel like she is at least pretty good at nearly every

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: half that of the game.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's so funny because I remember for a large portion of the season people are like okay well

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Lindsay has to go soon because we're not seeing her so no way she makes it far in the game.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And then by the time we start to see Lindsay it's like oh you robbed us of fun Lindsay who

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: we could have been seeing this whole time.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think Lindsay is like an underrated favor definitely.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Think Lindsay has her stance out there.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think when people were pretty surprised not to see Lindsay show up on like a challenge USA

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: challenge somewhere else.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Lindsay outshines everyone else in her archetype or on her cast necessarily

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to where I would bet on her coming back but I would not be upset about it in this life.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think she's somebody that almost reminds me of like a Kelly or a D from 45 and that like

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: she's going to do at least pretty well every single time.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's enough of a physical asset in the pre-merge but it's also not like so explicitly

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: scheming and threatening that like you need to target Lindsay.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know she seems to be someone who is really down to earth and again goes along to get

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: along but also possesses the capacity to like not necessarily be a follower at all time.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So again I would not be surprised if Lindsay ends up showing up on a survivor 50 and she would

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: be someone almost like you were speaking about with Torrey that I would not be surprised if

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: she replicates her success a bit.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no I can definitely see it.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Lindsay like why wouldn't you work with Lindsay?

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing on this season that I think proplute her from being a good solid ally and yeah

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Mike like you said definitely could be more threatening than people think at first glance.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: What about high?

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_01]: High was somebody who again alongside Lindsay and Dre,

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: bathes himself in the mud and blood from the opening and that kind of informs what high's

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: game is where he is somebody who has some initially presented it for more of a character perspective.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He has that moment where he really internally debates like killing and eating the chicken given

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the fact that he was a vegan but he had no problems cutting the throats if he will of some of the

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: people around him most pertinently at Merjatory when he decides to go along with the group and

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: turn on his number one ally in Lydia.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He was someone that helped orchestrate somehow going from a four to minority to taking advantage

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: of the two lost votes and basically flipping the tribe so that him and Lydia pretty much wound

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: up in the majority for the rest of the pre-merge.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And so high as somebody that I have always really enjoyed and someone that yet again,

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think would do well on pretty much any season that he's on his photo indicates he's also

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: in like pretty good shape and obviously has a head for strategy.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my one reservation would be as if we talked to out with some others.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder if like we have passed the peak of when high is most on the minds of survivor fans

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: are there people from seasons afterwards that are these like mid-merge strategic threats

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that would ping in the minds larger than high that would cause them to be cast over him.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do think that a high probably stood a better chance a couple of years ago at a return

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but I really like high.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You're hot on high.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I am, I like a queer villain.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I like someone that is going to go there and play the game will cut anyone's throat

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and is going to make for a actively more interesting season.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think high as one of those characters.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that yeah, there are mid-merge threats that get taken out and probably overshadow high.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that they are exactly his archetype though either.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do think that high could find a placement on season 50.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that he is interesting all the way through on his run from the early unfortunate genny boot

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: all the way through to his own.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that high delivers so I am not out on high on 50 but I think that maybe not the most likely

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: person.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could definitely again I'll keep repeating what I said about Lindsey and Torrey.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I would not be completely surprised if he shows up on 50 but he wouldn't necessarily be at the top

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: of the list for me if people that I think are locked.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It would certainly be welcome again because I think high also has a very fun personality

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: to match those strategic skills and also showing a little bit of foreshadowing for the

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: entire debacle over taking credit for the soda blind slide.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like high comes through after the rocks were I vote, right?

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Say, it was my idea I was what Horcushrated it, numbers like the,

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: all right well let's turn everyone on you high.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that high is someone that could also make for good TV as well and maybe someone to

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: consider.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's touch upon the first two members of the jury here.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's always tough, you know, I have no idea if Rocksroy would want to come back to survivor.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He again like Jonathan was one of the most unconventional cast members in the new era and

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: that he seems like such a throwback even more so than Jonathan to old school survivor.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: A guy that seemingly just kind of wanted to work on the camp was happy to be

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_01]: exiled and actively spent time away socializing with his new tribe because he just wanted to be

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: by himself, roughing it.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But this really interesting story right about how he was suffering from like an

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: ocular degenerative disorder where like he was slowly losing his eyesight and he

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: wanted the opportunity to basically see the world and and see his dreams come true.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then who's like all right we need a guy as a lie and it's right now to make sure

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: we run it towards the end and it goes about as well as you think.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Chanel is someone who as she says herself over the course of the challenge you have

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: say season two maybe her gamers regarded as a bit mid, maybe a bit to a game body

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and messy in that she's someone that for example goes to Shipwyl Island when she's going to

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: tribal council and chooses to risk her vote which puts her and Jenny by proxy in a really

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: precarious situation because both her and Mike don't have votes and as a result, Jenny ends up

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: going. She's one that throws out a vote to Mike during the Daniel voting. He's there's a

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: shot on the dark play which turns Mike off of her immediately. So what are your thoughts about

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Rocks Roy and Dorshinel coming back for season 50? Yeah I think that Rocks Roy is like an

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: underrated leaf on character because he's a little dry so you might not think like oh fun but

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he contributes a good amount to the season now just by seemingly popping up on Twitter

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: recently. I don't think that Rocks Roy is necessarily at the front of mines fans or

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: production so I would be a little surprised to see it now. Chanel I think is someone who

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: came in remember a very large percentage of the fan bases winner pick if not the number one winner pick

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: on the board and made a couple mistakes I think they'll victim to the big moveitis of you know the

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: era that came before the new era so I think that Chanel maybe thought I got to take all these

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: risks not a lot of them paid off. Now part of me is very curious to see could she come back correct those

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: mistakes and play a much stronger game because I do think she has it in her. But in the other

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: part of me is wondering like is the challenge more of her game we saw her come back there play a very

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: steady appearance and so I'm torn on a Chanel. Yeah I think that we've talked about it certainly

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: with players like Michaela and Desi of Howd their stocks rose from a reality TV perspective

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly with their dominance on the challenge USA season 2 and like how does that translate to

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: wanting to see them again for a survivor? I am intrigued to see to your point like Chanel has proven

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to herself and the audience that she can go all the way and not need to necessarily be as out

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: in front as she was could she bring that call this definitely I do think from an airtime perspective

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: as well and again perhaps being a bit overshadowed by the larger personalities in her cast.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a little bit of a tougher get to have her off. Yeah I agree. All right well let's move

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_01]: into our pre jury so working our way up we have of course a shocking like net-of-act slash

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: pseudo pull from the game in Jackson Fox. We have the King of Survivor Twitter in Zach

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Burton Burger we have Mariah the first person voted out of Tauki who has this very sad story

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: about losing her brother as one of like the first people to contract COVID during the pandemic

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: we have Justice Ford Jenny Kim who again ends up being kind of screwed because she's in

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: a line so four two of them don't have a vote the votes get tied up and Daniel ends up

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_01]: flipping his vote to prevent a rock draw and ends up sending Jenny home. We have Swathe who is the

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: youngest cast away of this season and plays with that young vigor to the point that it gets her in

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_01]: trouble. We have Daniel's strong who's game is kind of as out of sorts as his shoulder wasn't

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: fortunately for the pre-merge and we have the BFJA herself in the form of Lydia Meredith.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Where do you want to go here Scally to start? Oh my god this is so hard let's go let's start with Lydia

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Lydia is someone who a lot of people remember fondly at least in my circles

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but I unfortunately think for Lydia that is a lot more of a Twitter presence than it is a presence

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_02]: on survivor. I think Lydia is fun and we didn't get to see quite how fun she is on the show

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: unfortunately but I don't know if that's you know what we're looking for in season 50.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Lydia really is almost like survivor Twitter incarnate and that she is really hysterical

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: with like the things that she says very much off the cuff on social media even in her posties

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: impressed like I remember her telling Rob about how Applebee basically gave everybody the shit

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and like that is the unendedate unprompted Lydia that we like to see. When you put this

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor editor out and particularly the got added she got on survivor 42 it's a little tougher you

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_01]: know she was largely under the radar we only get personal content from her when she goes to

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Shipwell Island with Rocks Roy right before the merge and then she talked about kind of

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: her personal struggles growing up but then probably gets to know her she is kind of exized during

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the double merge episode there when she's just kind of expanded as the typical mergeatory boot of like

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: well no one will completely go to bat for you and so we're going to take you out Lydia. So

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Lydia you've kind of lumped Zach in with her as maybe some of those Ponderosa rumors

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01]: they back at the day. I think these are two people that are you know some of the young ones on the

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: cast that did not necessarily resound immensely from an edit perspective those Zach will obviously

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_01]: have a longer footprint when Mary and expresses her a posthumous romantic interest in him after his boot

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: they are incredible on a social media but I would imagine from like a realistic perspective of

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_01]: getting cast that is where there's survivor legacy will continue. Yeah and see that makes me sad.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Zach is someone that is so funny that you're jealous it is almost madening he is really really hysterical

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think that unlike Lydia we got to see a little bit more of that in the edit not

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: a overwhelmingly huge edit for a first boot but you know a first-footed out at least but Zach

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: is definitely a character on the show I'm not putting it at an absolute zero but it would unfortunately

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_01]: be very surprising. I mean listen if Jolensky opened doors to consider other first boots to

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_01]: bring back Zach because I think at least the second most remembered new era first voted out person

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: from the season so maybe it could be like him and Zayn Nite and Jolensky as three tribe captains.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's my fun literally signed me up. I would watch now.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Jenny Kim of course even from the time that she was unterremoniously voted out the

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: tree for an an uproar over the odd set of circumstances that led to Jenny's boot to the point

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that a lot of people have been calling first that can chance for her she did seem to be

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody that like had a good spot in the game you know she goes to ship we liellan and choose

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_01]: is not to risk her vote knowing it's incredibly valuable. Unfortunately she falls because her allies

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: don't necessarily not have that you know a lack of a filter to them and decide to risk their vote

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_01]: in the process it's tough because on paper and maybe in a different season I could see Jenny as

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: someone to put on the list because it's like we need to see second chance for her we need to see

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_01]: more opportunities for her. I think to be honest if we're looking to bring on five people from

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: this cast it's just too rich with personalities and players but I think Jenny would fall just short

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: for me. I'm so sad and I'm still upset about the boot like I have not wavered in my anger since

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that day. Jenny absolutely screwed I think usually you can look at any survivor boot through history

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and come up with something that they did wrong along the way. I think Jenny is one of the least

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_02]: at fault for her boots just in two allies losing their vote and the other just immediately

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: folding in a situation that didn't benefit them at all. I think that Jenny was the main person

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that came to mind where I talked about how I wish there had been and I'm not even a huge return

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: season for sin but I kind of wish there had been an earlier returning season and I almost kind

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: of wish that the season 50 was more heavily new era because I am already sad. You can't

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_01]: probably wish for it's going to be like 17 new era people and three random people from the old

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: era. Yeah that's exactly and that's the worst of both worlds frankly. It's like the absolute

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: worst of both worlds because one of those three spots could have gone to Jenny Kim and they're just

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna vote it out early so I'm sad. Yeah so maybe Jenny will have an opportunity to pop up

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: in like other social strategy games you know like I want to see Jenny still lives in Brooklyn

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like if they still do survivor Brooklyn I want to see Jenny play like an LRG. I want Jenny

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to have an opportunity to play some form of survivor in the future even if it may not be on the

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: show. Yeah I would be so excited to that was the case. I think that Jenny just had immense

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: potential and just you know circumstances of luck went out of the game which was super unfortunate.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Any thoughts about our remaining four here as well? We've duttered upon at the other three.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Jackson due to the circumstances around his departure which for those of you that don't

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: remember Jackson was utilizing lithium in his treatment prior to being on the show and he like

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty much tried to quit it, pulled turkey right before going out there. So I mean he obscured

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: from production and as a result had to get pulled for his own health concern. Mariah

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_01]: very sad she knew the writing was on the wall. She plays her shot in the dark but was just

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: especially after Jackson left kind of on the outs of taco. Swathe is someone who again kind of

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: represented especially the beginnings of the new era where they were all about bringing on these like

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: 18 19 20 21 year old and Swathe kind of like a J.D. before her succumbs with just playing too hard to fast

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and Daniel struck you know one of the initial prototypes in the new era unfortunately for

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: these people that are so into the game huge super duper fans who just end up as he kind of

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't say on falling on his face between you know dislocating his shoulder initially

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_01]: between everything going on with the near rock draw and then him eventually getting voted out.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say from the sense that I get a talking to Daniel he was pretty unhappy with the way

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that he was portrayed on the show and especially the fan reaction to him and so I do think he

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: would be one of these new era contestants that even if he was given the offer to come back

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I do not necessarily think he would. Okay yeah that tracks because I was going to say I think Daniel

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: is actually pretty decently sized character I can see where he would not necessarily enjoy his

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: edit or his experience unfortunately for him but I also do think that his story

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_02]: is a little complete like I don't think that I am like coming away from Daniel's story and thinking

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: like I need the sequel unfortunately. And Mazel's Daniel he ended up getting married in his time

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: away from his viler so I'd say it's safe to say his life is fine but our lives will not be right

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: now Scally because we have a difficult job here so we've talked about everybody from the cast of 42

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: let's rip off the bandade. Let's do this maybe it's just easiest if you give me your top five

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and I will see how my top five compare if we have any income and I think those are automatic

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: people we can throw on and maybe we can debate any others. All right this is scary let me go

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and the fear of the monster Scally the monster is just wishlist. As I said to you before when

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: it was just three in the early days and I was like I'm not a rule breaker I can follow a rule or two

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but now that it's five this is a it's scary but so now I am obviously looking at you know a lock for

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I hit it very well I want Marianne back on 50. Like that is pretty obvious I'm

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: also looking at Omar two of my early hits on the board and now I am just debating between a

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: couple people. I mean I think that we are not like leaving this podcast without talking about

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: the potential return of Jonathan as told I think Jonathan is a one of a kind character

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and whether people want to see that on 50 I think you give them the option of letting us know

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: now there's a lot of people in this end game that I am eyeing. I think as said people were

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: eyeing them too that's why they ended up getting booted so much in a row. I think that when it comes

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: down to it for me I'm looking at potentially Mike and I as my other options but I'm open to discussion.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so we've got 80% of synchronicity here I would say I had Marianne Mike Jonathan and Omar

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_01]: on my list my last spot I was even wavering between basically Tory and Dreia so if we want to include

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: high in there we can certainly talk through if we want to put in that last spot.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I'm open I really could see any of these three they all go out back to back in this like

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: we got to just start taking out big threats at this point Tory maybe slightly less of that

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: reason but as you said behind the scenes definitely comes up I think they're all compelling characters

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: for sure I think for me I think high is a little bit less of a like competitive archetype

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of season 50 so I can see where we would go to a high and also like I said I'm

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_02]: a big fan I think that he's a lot of fun so that's where I was looking whereas I think Tory

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_02]: probably gets lost or Dreia might get lost. I don't know. Yeah that's interesting because I

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: would say that I don't know I'm trying to think about who I would relate high to but I do feel like

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: high is someone I would probably cast Tory or Dreia on this season over high just thinking about

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: all these other random types of people that have gone eliminated in the even look outside of

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_01]: gender and like the 8 to 6 spot in subsequent seasons up okay I mean like listen do high in

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: record fill the same slot here and do you think the show would bring back a record over a high?

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's valid I definitely think that that is probably the closest we are getting here

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: they may be fighting for that same spot. Yeah and I do think the show especially with the

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: shand story line would probably cast a record over a high that's the thing is that like

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like unlike Marianne Mike Jonathan on right I think all these people would kind of

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: come in with a story of like okay we don't necessarily need to do second chance as even though

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: people want to do it but like what would you need to improve on to make good on your second

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: shand? High doesn't necessarily need that though he has the classic survivor editor of like thinking

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that he was on pop and to watch him tumble down so I am willing to discount Dreia in the

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: moment because I do think of those three she would be the least probably willing to do it so it

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: really comes down to higher Tory in this moment. Yeah it's so tough I mean obviously I think I know

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: where I'm leaning I think I know where you're leaning but I'm also mentioned you have a

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: money in the pig past you could do it. I think I told you where I am leaning on that

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll bring it up with a proposal to make up remember Sally finish second after I valiant

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: 15 hours in the RJP pressure cooker and I did offer a prize of whoever finish in second would

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: get a money in the bank past that could put whoever they want to on the the wishlist ballot here

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: so. That's true. I think frankly both of these names are going to be potentially revisited

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit down the line so I think that also I have a money in the bank past coming maybe I will

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: defer to you and let you make this a final call. All right then I will put Tory on for now

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm sure I will hear from plenty of people about high that he will probably see a spot

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: added on maybe we'll see you know other people get vouched for here too but I don't know I just

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: have a feeling maybe because I was sort of like looking over the past couple years of survivor

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: right it and it did feel like for one reason or another when people are talking about who's

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: likely returning from this season. Tory seemed right up there so I could definitely see it

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe more so than high or even a Lindsey or a Dreyah maybe I could be wrong about that and certainly

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be informed about it. This could certainly be a cast scally that could see a number of names

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: added to it after this podcast. Yeah I definitely think so there are people that I am just absolutely

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: gutted to leave like in the wings at the moment but doesn't mean their journey is over we will see how

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: it goes in the future. Absolutely so let's address the money in the bank past now then I'll

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: we're still on the tactic so I'll give you a choice here do you have someone in mind that you

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: want to put on now because to keep behind the curtain a little bit much like Jeff gave when he

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: talked to the camera and survivor 42 we are recording this a bit out of order so you don't

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily know who all has been added onto the ballot but is there someone you have in mind you

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like to add right now or would you prefer to wait after we've done all 46 and then wait until

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the ballot is revealed before you make your pick. Yeah look I think that smart thinking would be too

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: wait and make a much more measured decision but I think that's worse podcasting so let's talk about

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the person that I think I was talking to you trying to see if they did already make this ballot

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe they have someone that people would take a bullet for I would keep my hand on my

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: head for 15 hours for and until someone bests me at that they can claim the number one spot of

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Natalie Colstand's eye need Natalie Cole back on survivor like I need air. Yes there we go

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Natalie Naepalm has dispersed over survivor 42 here listen I'm all for it. A because of

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce did threaten to confine me if I did not put Natalie on the promise of the wishlist at

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: sub-point so like great I don't want to go into witness protection but on the other hand yeah

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: not to talk too much about podcasts that happened in the past but Jenny and I were really

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: agonizing over the fifth spot basically maybe being between like her and Mike White or her and

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Abby and I think just through the pre-jury of it all we had to leave Natalie out in quite a stacked

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: cast so I am thrilled to add her on here as a six-pick Scallys choice for David versus Goliath.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it must be like and you know as stacked as this cast is that cast is maybe even more so

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: not surprising to be the first one or maybe not the first one if you go all the way back but

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the first to have six people on the list. Yes so don't worry I'm sure it's been a

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: week since it's gonna be a week between those podcasts have debuted of people you know

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: waiting in the streets for Natalie Cole's return to come to the wishlist and it has come sooner

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: rather than later as she is going to join all the people that were added today from Survivor 42

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: which in review with ages we have our winner Mary and Oaketch 26. Our runner up Mike Turner 60

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan Young our fourth place finisher 31. Homer Zahir 33 and Tory me hand 27

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: last but not least Scallys you are an expert in a lot of reality TV that exists outside of Survivor

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'm intrigued is there anybody from this season that you would want to see in a show outside of

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Survivor. This is so hard because even the names that we've already gone over had would be so fun

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: elsewhere but I am you know we talked about it how I was surprised that did not happen already

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Lindsay would be super fun if they were to bring back a challenge USA I could definitely

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: even see her on a mainstay of the challenge that's the first one that comes to mind for me

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think Lindsay and honestly if he's you know in the same shape that he was during 42

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think high would be great as well like it seems like someone who could pull to zone physically

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and has some of that that scheming is to him now I'm sort of like ruined Scallys that you and

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I did a podcast in that look where we drafted Survivors that could be cast on the challenge and now

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of kicking myself that we didn't do this before hand because I think high would have been a

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: little key very fun pick to put on the challenge yeah was maybe even rumored for a challenge season in the past

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: has not been I don't know if that was actually you know leading to Potter what it was but

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely you know at least the community has had their eye on high so I am

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: thinking about that I want to find a spot for Jenny Kim I don't know where that is whether it's the

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: challenge who I really want on Squid Game the challenge which is Chanel I think Chanel again even

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: if she has shown that she can play more of a steady game in the challenge USA like she is clearly

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: very cut-road and very um much self-over thinking I think that's very fun for a game like squid game

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: the challenge which presents so many opportunities for you to basically be selfish and cut people in your

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: wake. Oh I do like that I think that while we mentioned Squid Game the challenge I would be remiss not to

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: say that I would love a return appearance on Squid Game the challenge for a by one Zach

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Warton burger maybe bring his mom along this time yes the doors he opened I mean that's interesting

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: because like I don't think the in-show logic was that they actually die it could certainly

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: they do confessionals after they're eliminated but like could that break reality bit like oh my god

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: you came back to life. I know yeah that I think it would be fun it would be fun I think you know

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: getting the snarky confessionals from Zach getting you know it's definitely work burger on

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: there could be a good time. I also think that they need to design some sort of reality show and

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe this is easier in concept and execution of like maybe a show like the goat of like

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a generic reality show without a specific structure with a bunch of early people out of these

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: competitive reality shows who for one reason or another what it was it was due to like their

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: personality flaming out or just a bad end of the stick they end up getting better now first second

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but they have an opportunity to really flex their muscles like again Jolensky is a perfect category

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: of that Zayn Night someone like Riemann Frozack on there honestly just fill that house full of

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: a bunch of survivor first boots and I would subscribe to whatever services there. Look it's a show

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: long gone we talked about it one time in one of my favorite podcasts but I don't know reboot I love

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: money and put all the early boots down I love money that's why I want it. I would love that much like

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: love money and scalli I loved this podcast it was not an easy job to do going through a power house

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: cast of a powerhouse season to only pick out five names we have emerged with five of them

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Marianne Mike Jonathan, Omar and Tory last but certainly not least I know that you always have a lot

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of stuff going on out here in these reality TV streets what would you like to plug in how can people

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: follow you? First of all my thanks for having me as fun as this was I'm so excited to go back to

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: listening to every episode and not have the stress of deciding who gets through but people want

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to find more from me I'm on Twitter at Brian underscore scalli on twitch at twitch.tv slash

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: be scalli myself and Matt Legori are talking about the monumental season of the challenge season

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: 40 over on the free agents podcast it is so weird to know that your favorite show much like survivor

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you know when like the biggest season of all time is coming and it will never be top and we're

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: living in those times so definitely come join us over there also recently wrapped up love island

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: USA six coverage on the hot dummies on island speed with person it is announced that we're going to

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: be having a reunion in August so is that a rarity for love island? It's the first time that the

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: US has ever had it because the viewership like tripled the season. So yeah yep so very very excited to

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: revisit what is one of my all time favorite seasons of love island at this point. Wow so be sure to

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: check all of that out and of course speaking of reunions I will be back after the week and on money

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Monday to begin the final week of the survivor 50 wishlist podcast I truly could up believe

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: we are here but the first one we're getting to is survivor 43 scalli I am very intrigued from your

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective who are some people from survivor 43 that would make your personal wishlist of those

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: you would want to see on 50? I think 43 is like a very underrated cast when people think of like

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: heavy sheer number of attorneys that could come back here. I mean my mind goes similarly to where

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of people's do I'm looking at the jessies the car loads the oh ends but also keep in a little bit

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: of my eye out there for a joy more return I think that would be so interesting I don't know if

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that's what happened but I'm advocating. Well much like blood on the clock tower we're going to have

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: to make yet again in the new era some very big cuts but I won't be alone I will be joined by

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Chappelle and so you know this is going to be a chaotic podcast be sure to not miss it again

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll be back on Monday as we make the search forward to finish this whole thing out thank you all

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: so much for listening not only today but to this entire week of the survivor 50 wishlist as we

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: finish is and look out for maybe a little something in your podcast feed a week from it today as we

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: might start the process of actually putting this ball together and finally putting it to both

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: thank you all so much for listening have a great weekend take care bye bye