Survivor 50 Wish List | Halftime SHOW

[00:00:15] Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 Wish List Podcast, an off-season series where we're trying to figure out who could and should come back for the upcoming returning season of Survivor 50. And here we are for something a little bit different. We are sort of halfway there,

[00:00:36] a little bit of Culpeper, Kalish math on my part, but look we took a bit of a yadus this week, bit of a short week in lieu of the July 4 holiday, but we wanted to celebrate in a way to

[00:00:46] look back upon the three-week look back we have already done of the past seasons of Survivor, of the people we put on the short list and maybe give another cursory glance to some people that

[00:00:58] did not make it for a possible, if you will, second chance to be on the short list. Of course I am Mike Bloom and I am of course joined by a guy who was here for me from the very beginning

[00:01:11] for Borneo, was here for me again with All Stars as we talk about some other presumptive All Stars that should be coming up on this list. The one, the only Rob Cesternino. Happy

[00:01:20] Pull & Peel Twizzler Day! Yes, Mike, I'm thrilled to be back here. My favorite podcast. Oh my God, do you say that to everybody? I love the wish list. It's been so great. I've been listening

[00:01:32] all the way through. It's so fun to hear you talk every day with a different guest. All the guests have been so great. It's been really, really fun. And so I was honored to have the

[00:01:44] chance to be here for the unofficial halftime show and we're live baby. Mike, he's recording these all the time, but we are here. We've got the chat. We're ready to go. We're ready to go.

[00:01:56] Not only that, maybe I was just filled with the spirit of old school Survivor where they used to change locations every season. I am coming to you live from a brand new place. I have moved

[00:02:07] in the midst of all this. But I will say to Rob's point, there may be some podcasts in the coming weeks that were recorded prior to the move. So apologies if we're switching between several,

[00:02:17] not seven, full bloom studio locations. But excited to usher in a new podcast setup with this studio. And thank you so much, Rob. I mean, I guess the first thing I want to say as we sort

[00:02:31] of culminate and commemorate the occasion right now is I hope everyone's been enjoying it. These have been so much fun to do. To your point, the guests have gone above and beyond. We expressly

[00:02:43] told people when we reached out to them, you do not need to rewatch these seasons. It is okay. Just come in with your hot takes. I have all the research from all the online musings they've said

[00:02:53] over the years as to whether or not they would come back. But these people come in with not only said hot takes, so many complicated feelings, but also knowledge of recently rewatching the season.

[00:03:04] So I have nothing but love for everyone that has come onto the mic to talk with me about these seasons as well as the people to come and for everyone out there as well. Look, here's the thing.

[00:03:14] Survivor fans have a lot of opinions. Rob, it's one thing we love about the community. I have certainly received some opinions and comments along the lines of, why did you leave this person

[00:03:26] off? Why did you put this person on? Your opinions are trash, et cetera, et cetera. But I hope baked into that is a sense of we like checking this stuff out and violently arguing about why someone

[00:03:39] should or shouldn't be on the list. It's just part of the discourse. And look, for those of you that feel like maybe we pass some people over, this may be an opportunity to revisit said people.

[00:03:50] Yeah. Okay. So yeah, we're going to do a little bit of a reexamination who's here, who's not here. And so we're going to talk all that through here today. So very excited for that. But Mike, I just want to

[00:04:00] say at the top of the show, I have just been so impressed and I guess this should be no shock to anybody. Just like the level of knowledge you have for every one of these. You did not do a rewatch

[00:04:11] before every single season. No, I don't think. I've not rewatched any of these. The way that your recall is just, it's been so impressive to listen to as somebody who like, you know, okay. I know Survivor, we know reality TV, but you just know this stuff at such

[00:04:32] a level to be able to bring up like such specific facts, like instantly. It's so impressive, Mike. Thank you, Rob. Sincerely, that means the world. I mean, that's a very

[00:04:44] your win on Survivor Jeopardy also. I mean, I pulled it out in the end. I was a little bit of a ceiling on like day three. If you catch my drift with like that last minute gambit towards the end.

[00:04:55] I mean, that's a very nice, delicate way to call me a loser, but it's so very much appreciated, Rob. Your kind words. I mean, God, this is going to sound so pathetic, but like the more I do

[00:05:05] these, the more I realize like something like this was kind of the thing I was born to do with the vast amount of Survivor dollars that I have. Now, look again, your mileage may vary

[00:05:14] as to whether or not I'm picking the correct people to put on the list. But as someone who has been a dyed in the wool fan from the very beginning to have the opportunity. What is that shirt?

[00:05:25] This is something that we got from an Outwit Outplay Outlist, Rob. Survivor shirts. This is like a few years old. I think I got this from the Paramount shop. I'm not even sure if these

[00:05:34] are still available. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I have on the Ethan Zahn old school Survivor shirt, appropriately, as we're going to talk about a lot of old school Survivor today. And that's the fun thing as well is, of course, you did the draft with some of the drafters on

[00:05:48] the patron feed about who is likely to come back for Survivor 15. It's a nice balance where, of course, I imagine no matter what the theme may be, a lot of the discourse is going to be

[00:05:58] based around these modern day seasons of the new era, especially. So it's a fun opportunity to, I think, go through these older seasons that look when push comes to shove might only have a few people represented. But this is an opportunity to also talk about some of these

[00:06:12] diamonds in the rough and be like, wouldn't it be nice if they came back? Yeah. Just to highlight that podcast that you mentioned on the patron feed Tuesday night, we had the drafters get back

[00:06:21] together and we did a Survivor 50 draft. Jess picked the cast. You also got bonus points for if they get to Australian Survivor or the traders, etc. So we did six rounds of that.

[00:06:34] So we drafted 30 people on that draft. And yeah, I think there's just still so much mystery in terms of what Survivor 50 is going to be. I haven't said this on the main feed yet,

[00:06:48] but I would say that I think I agree with you, Mike, in terms of that. I think my favorite idea for Survivor 50 would be some kind of second chance, not just new era second chance,

[00:07:01] but I think Survivor 50, I think my favorite idea is bring people back and heavily skewed for people from the last 10 seasons who haven't gotten to come back, but also people from the

[00:07:12] 30s that haven't gotten the chance to come back. Maybe some of these chestnuts from the past also that haven't gotten to come back. And then I feel like that we could do a legend season if Survivor 54 is legends. Who cares what the number is? If it's 53 or 55 or 56,

[00:07:37] I think that you could still do a big legend season in a year or two after this and still get all these people to come back. But it has like, you needed fans versus favorites to make heroes

[00:07:54] versus villains what it was. Yeah, Marianne, I think brought up a really salient point on the Cook Islands podcast we did, which is that yes, while it's great to see some of these people time

[00:08:05] and time again, you need to build that new crop because eventually, and maybe that's the case with some of these people who've already put on, they're kind of done with Survivor. They have

[00:08:15] their four or five times in the sun and now they are ready for that sun to set. But we need that opportunity for new people to become household names in a way that, to your point, someone like

[00:08:26] Parvati gets that boost from fans versus favorites and makes it onto heroes versus villains. I don't think that transition would happen necessarily if she makes the jump straight to it. The other side

[00:08:35] of that is, of course, because we don't know a lot about Survivor 50, we have been filling this ballot under kind of the wide net of could it be legends? Could it be second chances, etc.? And I

[00:08:48] know there has been certainly some comments about filling seasons like Cook Islands, for example, where we do have limited spots of filling in with returnees first and foremost. And yeah, it happens with stacked seasons. I think again, the benefit of today is that I am definitely

[00:09:04] bringing up people that were not able to make seasons like that, like Pearl Islands, like even Token Sheens as an example, that are just stacked to the nines with returnees. And we kind of had

[00:09:15] to fill slots in our methodology with said people that have come back time and time again, and probably would if legends was on the horizon. Okay, well, I'm very excited to talk about all

[00:09:25] this with you. But first, before we get to the new people, Big Brother season is right around the corner, people, less than two weeks. Let's talk through who we have on the ballot so far.

[00:09:34] And also, Rob, this will be you giving your first takes as well. Obviously, we got together for one of these podcasts. But again, you were not there for the vast majority of them. So you will give

[00:09:47] your thoughts on them. And we talked about this. Maybe it's another tenant of the Big Brother season. Listen, it's Rob has a podcast. Do you want to exercise a veto at any point?

[00:09:58] Yeah. Just to give my thoughts on the ballot. My number one prevailing thought is like, look, if somebody feels like somebody should be in the ballot, just let them be on the ballot. Who cares

[00:10:10] if they're on there and they're not going to get any votes? My only thing that gives me some pause. That's my overwhelming umbrella thought on it. We'll remember that for the next section

[00:10:22] after this. But then like underneath that, if there are people and look, this is how I felt a couple of weeks ago, but I'm really feeling it this way. Okay. If somebody were putting somebody

[00:10:36] on the ballot that is looking very, very old, that you can't do the job. Why are we putting that person on the ballot? Don't we have time to change the ballot? If there's somebody that's just

[00:10:50] way too old to be on the ballot. Rob's going full Logan's run. I love it. I washed my hands of this, but Rob, this is all on you. And I'm just look and I'm no spring chicken myself, damn. But you know,

[00:11:02] if we're putting through people that are like, I don't think survivor is bringing back septuagenarians in the new era with the game being as hard as it is with the challenges being as physical as it is.

[00:11:19] You know, and maybe there are exceptions where if somebody was like a super athletic person, even Rudy himself, who I adore Rudy. Rudy was a Navy seal at 70 years old. If somebody was sort of

[00:11:34] like a unathletic person at 50, then you know, it's not even like, what are we doing to bring them back at 70? If they were unathletic at 50, they'd be unathletic for 50 is what you're saying.

[00:11:49] Yeah, I think so. I think so. So I just want to bring like a little dash of reality to what we're talking about as well. All right, well, let's see if there goes gravity as let's get into

[00:12:00] it, Rob. And let's start with the podcast that you and I did together, Survivor Borneo. So in reverse order of finish, I should say, the four people you and I decided to put on the ballot are

[00:12:12] Jervis, Jenna Lewis, Greg, and Gretchen. Do you want to revisit any of these picks or you want to lock them in? Yeah, I think that this is all solid. I don't think that there's anybody

[00:12:23] here that would not be able to return. I think that like, I think Greg is the most likely of this group to be the person who could fit in that Venn diagram of a person Survivor wants and a person

[00:12:38] who might have a desire to come back. But no issue with these four continuing to be on the ballot. Yeah, I agree that I think that of these four, Greg would probably be the most likely to your

[00:12:50] point, especially for going along with this theming of like, hey, here's some random attorneys. I think we brought this up in the very first podcast we did as well that in an ideal world, we would

[00:12:59] love to see a representative from Survivor 1 for Survivor 50 like they did with Cambodia as well. And I think Greg people hate when I use this phrase during these daily podcasts probably has

[00:13:11] the most there there in that Jervis and Jenna have already come back. Gretchen may be a bit more of a wild card. So, yeah, of these four and I say it as a Greg Bewis stan as well, I think Greg is the one

[00:13:23] I would personally be most excited to come back. Yeah. Just to you, you mentioned Kelly Wigglesworth coming back for Survivor Second Chance. And basically, I mean, Second Chance was like our big all-star season at 30, which Jeff Probst famously said why Worlds Apart was the 30th

[00:13:37] season like like, yeah, it's our 30th season, but it's just our 30th season. But I feel like that did anybody complain that, you know, second chances was what they did for the 30th season.

[00:13:48] Like I feel like another second chances at the 50th season, 20 seasons after that, I think it's everybody I think would be fine with that. I completely agree. And I think that also includes bringing people on almost like Game Changer style with Troy Zinn and Brad, who maybe would

[00:14:04] have been left off the ballot or were not voted upon for second chances as well. I don't know if how I feel about a fan vote. I mean, obviously, it's going to work in the guise of this experiment,

[00:14:15] but to put people on the season in general, just given how much social media has changed, Rob, between 2015 and 2024. Yeah. OK. All right. Well, let's move on to the Australian Outback, which, of course, I did ushering Josh Wiggler back into the realm of Survivor podcast. Very

[00:14:30] fun podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And of course, check out House of the Mermaid Dragon if you want to hear more of Josh's more recent Survivor takes. But we went with some pretty big names here in

[00:14:40] the forms of Tina, Colby and Jerry. And again, we'll get to maybe some other people that have been left off in the next section. But these are three pretty big slam dub picks. But Rob,

[00:14:50] I'm intrigued from your perspective, especially given like the Colby and Jerry of it all and their sort of relationship to the franchise. Anyone you want to strike from here? No, I don't think there's anybody that should be taken off the ballot. I wondered about Tina,

[00:15:03] but I know that we just talked to her on a Talking with T-Bird podcast. And Tina keeps a very close eye on the show, probably closer than Colby or Jerry. And she's up for coming back.

[00:15:16] Tina is somebody who has like always like physical fitness has been, you know, a very important part of her story. I mean, she's certainly not a second chance candidate. But if people want to vote for

[00:15:28] Tina, Colby or Jerry, I think that let them be on the ballot. Yeah, perfect. All right. Well, then let's move on to Africa, as Jason Reed said. And we have done three initially. But I did break

[00:15:42] our rules and bring in a fourth, perhaps ushering in this wild card round that we are going to get into. We have Lex. We have, of course, Rob, the aforementioned T-Bird. We have Kelly Goldsmith,

[00:15:54] who I brought in after increased popular demand. And we have your Renate buddy, Clarence. So any thoughts about these four, Rob? No, no issues here. You know, Clarence, I think would be so fun

[00:16:09] to have back as a second chance candidate. And T-Bird, of course, my beloved co-host from Talking with T-Bird. She was so robbed on Survivor's second chances of getting to come back. So I'd love to

[00:16:22] see that. So this is a, you know, all looks good for me here on the Africa front. All right. Let's move on then to the Marquesa, Survivor Marquesas, which of course I did with Chantelle Francis.

[00:16:36] We have our winner, Vesepia Tauri. We have our fallen angel, Kathy Vavreck O'Brien. We have our fifth placer and I would say one of the odds on favorites to get brought back from our poll

[00:16:49] perspective from these first few seasons in the category of why hasn't he returned in Sean Rector. And we have our first juror in John Carroll and Rob, I think I know what you're going to be doing

[00:17:02] here. Okay. So, you know, I guess, you know, it's a great list. Like all people that would be worthy to come back from Survivor. The one that like really catches my attention here is Kathy. Kathy

[00:17:20] Vavreck O'Brien, who I have loved every personal interaction that I've had with Kathy. What's going to be the Kathy Vavreck O'Brien in 2025? What are we looking at here? I believe she will be 70. Come on. Look, I mean, has Kathy like did she do a quarantine questionnaire? Is she?

[00:17:46] She did talking with T-Bird. So I believe her word was like, oh yeah, like I want to go back and, you know, bring my distinctive laugh. But I think she also said like, yeah,

[00:17:56] I'll be the old lady on the beach. Yeah. I just I don't see it like, you know, I would feel horrible to say that Kathy shouldn't be on the ballot. But like what

[00:18:08] world are we living in here? All right. Listen, we can we can do what Nelia did back in Marquesas and Rob Kathy of a spot. I just think Kathy has come back. Kathy has had a second chance.

[00:18:22] Like what is the what is the theming that we're that we're doing? I mean, Kathy certainly held her own in challenges at that particular point in time. And I think that she is still like has a

[00:18:36] great career and everything. So I have nothing but the utmost respect for Kathy. But I just feel like that if we're voting for 70 year old Kathy to be, you know, coming back for returning player

[00:18:50] season, I just I don't think that Survivor would even do that. Yeah. Should we do an offseason podcast at some point called like Survivor Cocoon where we brand steel a season that has like only

[00:19:00] people with sixty five and over? Yeah. OK, I mean, look like look, leave her on the ballot. I'll just say my official like concerns here. Like I think that Kathy is such a legend. I think leave

[00:19:16] her. But I just think it's important that we know like what we're what we're voting for. Yeah. Jack Jarvis is threatening to riot for Kathy. So watch out. You might get a man, Jack and a buffalo hat

[00:19:28] charging your house, Rob, if you took him off the ballot. Yeah. So look, I love Kathy. But let's just be a little bit mindful here of what we're like when we're talking about these these

[00:19:41] challenges here, though, like where we're like moving boulders and stuff like that, like, you know, like an emergatory when they push the giant ball. Yeah. Listen, it's been an interesting couple of weeks when it comes to larger discourse about the age of people and whether or not they

[00:19:56] should be. That's what I'm saying. And I'm not even asking for a cognitive test. I am strictly just worried about like the physical toll that this game is going to tell. All right. Well, let

[00:20:08] let's move on to Survivor Thailand here, which I did with David Bloomberg and talk about, you know, getting blood from a stone. We were somehow able to get three people out of the cast of what some

[00:20:19] people may consider one of the worst seasons of all time. Yeah. Helen Glover, Sheehan and Ghandia. Yeah. And so can I get an age check for Helen also? Helen, I believe, is sixty nine as

[00:20:31] well. It's just like Kathy. OK, so I mean that Helen at least Helen is like I believe it is a former Navy swim instructor. Yeah. Yeah. And so like like, you know, the Helen I could see a

[00:20:47] little bit more. But I think that Helen should have been on the first all stars. And I think that that was really her second chance opportunity. Ghandia would be would be great. And I'm not sure

[00:21:01] necessarily like what she and interest level is. But sure, this is fine. Yeah, I think she and set her quarantine questionnaire basically like if it's in the right time, in the right place,

[00:21:10] I'll do it. So and look, some people also had a little bit of consternation over like, why are you taking answers? They wrote in a quarantine questionnaire four years ago as

[00:21:18] gospel. It's all I got. You know, if you want to start sliding into DMS and getting official word from people, that's totally fine. But then even in that case, like somebody did that with coach

[00:21:27] and Steven dispelled it completely. So even that cannot be held as great podcast with Steven talking about heroes versus villains. That was so much. You never forget your first and I will never

[00:21:37] forget my first with Steven Fishback. Yeah. All right. Let's move on here to the Amazon. Take me off. Take me off. Oh, yeah. Here's the thing, Mike. This is a no win situation. OK, because I'm on the

[00:21:56] ballot and let's say I do incredibly well on the ballot. Everybody's going to say, yeah, it's his podcast. Of course he's going to do great on the ballot. And if I do bad, could you then could you

[00:22:09] imagine that? I mean, listen, that's then I think it's a no win for you. I think it's a win win for us on the outside of it. Yeah, even if I even if I win, you're like, number one, everything.

[00:22:25] Well, come on. I mean, I think if you're not in, there's going to be a huge right in candidacy. You'll be the Harambee of this of this ballot where people are going to be like, no, none of the above

[00:22:36] Rob Cisterny. No, let people have their fun. But this is like a lose lose as far as I'm concerned. Not lose lose on. But what do you think about the two people that are sandwiching you here in the

[00:22:48] form of Jenna and Dina? Yeah, Dina, I think is really fascinating to me. Dina, I think, is a really sharp player. It would be great to see Dina come back for a second time. Jenna,

[00:23:04] I know she wanted to play on Heroes vs. Villains. Like, I'm not really sure what her feelings on it would be. But if people want to see Jenna again, see Dina again, you know, that's great for me.

[00:23:19] Yeah. When you did a talking with T-Bird, I do believe and I think maybe her quarantine questionnaire, she said that she'd like to play again. And look, she has been through a lot recently. I think that's an angle that Shannon and I were talking about as well with

[00:23:30] regards to the transformative lifestyle she's experienced since her time playing. She's been through so much since she played. And, you know, I have my heart goes out to Jenna Maraska. She played and won this game at 21 years old. And, you know, you could be very

[00:23:48] cynical like, oh, what a first world problem. But I really feel like that to give a young person, you know, just sort of like coming into their own, you know, life changing money,

[00:24:00] like it's not always life changing in all the positive ways. And so Jenna's been through so much. She's lost both of her parents in very tragic ways. And so, you know, I want nothing

[00:24:16] but the best for Jenna. What's the difference between a first world problem and a one world problem? Okay. A one world problem is, you can answer that a lot of different ways. Yeah, I was going to say, pick your poison.

[00:24:33] Pick your poison on that. That's, oh, I thought that that was dirt in our soup. Yes, exactly. Instead of dirt in your poop.

[00:25:20] Well, speaking of poison, let's move on to the grog that comes with Survivor Pearl Islands. Oh, I didn't even realize I did improper spacing here with Johnny Fairplay. Because I think the

[00:25:51] question is, as we talk about him, Sandra and Rupert, let's focus on the why this one letter that is on a separate line here. You know, I did this with Owen. It was a great podcast.

[00:26:01] There were definitely people that were left off that I will be bringing up in the next section. Don't you worry, people. But I guess the question I have for you, Rob, is about Johnny Fairplay,

[00:26:10] because there has been these rumors, right, that, you know, he had these skirmishes with production and then after Mike, I saw some of them in person. Exactly. But then he has also claimed that he got

[00:26:21] the call for 40 when it was rivals and him and production are in a good place. I mean, especially with the news that Australian Survivor is no longer going to be completely US versus AU. What do you

[00:26:32] think his chances are getting on here? I think that his chances of getting on Survivor 50 or getting on the ballot? Por que no los dos. I think that he, I would think his chances of getting on

[00:26:45] Survivor 50 are incredibly slim, much like his younger self. I do not think we will see Johnny Fairplay on Survivor 50, but why not have him on the ballot? I mean, like, look, maybe that there is

[00:27:04] this great pent up fervor to have Johnny Fairplay back on Survivor for a third time. Yeah, I think, listen, House of Villains. Maybe we look at the poll and see that there wasn't.

[00:27:17] Yeah, House of Villains showed a very different version of Johnny Fairplay. And I don't know if I necessarily want to see that version on the show, but does speak to, as we talked about with Jenna,

[00:27:27] the vast amount of life changes he has experienced. Yeah, so I say let them play or let them be on our ballot at the very least. I think that there's not a lot of harm in my mind of

[00:27:45] letting these people be on the, why should we, if there's somebody that people really want to vote for that, like either we are able to show that there is a critical mass or we are also

[00:28:03] able to show that this person who might think that there's a critical mass, actually there's not. Yeah, so let him play or Fairplay in this instance. So we'll have our big three of

[00:28:13] Pearl Islands and I can guarantee people don't worry, there will be more people from this cast moving on by the end of this podcast. Let's go to Vanuatu. I did this one with Brandon Donlan.

[00:28:23] Another great one. Yeah, that was very fun. So we have Chris, Twyla, Eliza and Amy. So Rob, this was interesting, right? Because we had our top two who had not been called back versus the two returnees from this season. Yeah. Fun podcast. How's Chris doing?

[00:28:45] Brandon says that any reports of like him being in ill health have been disputed. Obviously, Brandon has a bit of a personal touch with Chris and his wife, Lori. And he says that,

[00:28:56] I mean, listen, Chris is not like fit as a fiddle, but I think he could be in a state to not like completely die in the sweat challenge. He's only 53. Okay. I mean, sure. I mean, put him through, but I just like, I feel that sometimes the people

[00:29:12] like that are not really in the public eye a lot. Like we have an image of that they're exactly the same. And then, you know, you go to your high school reunion and it's like, oh my God.

[00:29:24] Was that the case at the 10 year survivor reunion that you attended? I don't know if there was anybody that I saw after 10 years, but sometimes like, you know, you see that especially people that you don't see all the time, like on Instagram or on any of these

[00:29:37] things that you don't really know what they are like in 2024. All right. Well, let's move on to Palau and maybe we will get to all in that note with the winner

[00:29:50] that we chose to leave off in the moment. But the three that we brought back from Palau at this time were Katie, which was like a big push from Haley strong. Of course, Stephanie and Kobe.

[00:30:02] Yeah. I mean, Kobe should have played in these, you know, got his second chance way back when I does Katie want to play? So I know you were concerned about that. Would they let

[00:30:13] a somebody who has like production chops be on Survivor? I think she wants to play again. And clearly she has interest. I think when she was on Tyson's podcast, she said it a bit sarcastically, but like she said that she would want to come back. My concern was

[00:30:29] more so like, would you want to have someone who quite literally works on the other side of the camera back on the side? And again, I feel like that's not our decision to make. So what if

[00:30:40] people want to vote for Katie, let them vote for Katie. You know, Katie's always going to be fun to hear from. We would be lucky to see her get a second chance. Stephanie, I think, has really,

[00:30:52] you know, reemerged into the Survivor universe where I think you were saying that we thought that maybe that was going to be the last time we ever saw or heard from Stephanie about a

[00:31:03] filet mignon pizza. But Gigi's no, she's very active on social media and talking about all these shows. So Stephanie 4.0, I think that is definitely a possibility. Yeah. All right. Well, let's move out of the first 10 seasons. And of course, the one, the only John T. Jordan

[00:31:22] Kalish joined me for Survivor Guatemala. And like Vanuatu, this is one of these cats that has barely had anybody come back. So we had unlike a seasons like Pearl Island's, like Cook Islands, which is

[00:31:33] coming up, we had a lot of fun wildcard picks to pick from. So we chose Rafe Judd, Amy O'Hara and Brian Corden. Sure. For Rafe, hard to imagine that he's leaving like his very successful

[00:31:51] Hollywood career at this point in time to go play Survivor 50. But sure. Why not? I mean, listen, Amazon Prime subscriptions to Wheel of Time don't sell themselves. It could be the best thing that

[00:32:03] Rafe does going on. It could go full Mike White here. Yeah. OK, that'd be great. I know Judd has long wanted to get back. I'm not exactly sure Amy or Brian is too high on the Survivor CBS

[00:32:20] wish list of their own, but people want to vote for them. Have at it. All right. Next season, Survivor Exile Island. We have, of course, which I did with Mari Forth. We have the captain of sports herself, Danielle DiLorenzo, the brief second chancer in Terry Dietz, legend herself

[00:32:39] and big brother alumni in Sari and someone that like T-Bird was criminally left off the second chances ballot in Shane Power. So interestingly enough, we went to three, four or five in Panama.

[00:32:49] Yeah. OK, no problem with anybody here who's on the ballot. I do think that Survivor is not done with Sari. I really do feel strongly that I think that we will see Sari play on Survivor again. I

[00:33:05] feel like that the way that she went out in Game Changers, I do feel like that there is still a story to tell. I think Sari, you know, it would be great for her to like after she went to traders,

[00:33:19] after she went to big brother, to be able to come home and conclude her reality TV journey on a survivor season. Is it this season or is it maybe a future season if we end up doing second

[00:33:32] chances here in Survivor 50? Who's to say? But sure, let's go ahead. And, you know, you know, but I also feel like Sari doesn't need the votes here. Like that if you're really trying to if the

[00:33:47] exercise is OK, like we want to make it clear this is a person we want to see, like they already know about Sari. Yeah, that's very true. So again, it depends on how everyone wants to vote.

[00:33:57] It's like, oh I didn't know Sari was popular. Yeah. If they want, if people want to use this as an opportunity to shed some light on some contestants that they would want that maybe

[00:34:05] would not get a time of day from production, totally their prerogative. If people want to vote through Sari and Sandro who would play Survivor tomorrow if they were asked, that's their prerogative as well. Again, passing that wide net with what it means to be on Survivor 50.

[00:34:23] All right, let's move on to Survivor Cook Islands. A little controversial, much like the season itself. I had Marianne on, which was fantastic. Unfortunately, because so many people have returned from this season, they took up the slots. And again, I will say,

[00:34:39] like Pearl Islands, we are going to be talking about a few of them today and hopefully get a few on the ballot. So don't worry. Looking forward to that because I'm like, who are we missing?

[00:34:48] But yeah, of course we have Ozzie, Parvati, Jonathan, Candice. What is that? Four out of the five people from Cook Islands that have come back and in this case, multiple times. Yeah. I mean, OK, looks looks good to me. Yeah. Is there anyone that you're most intrigued by

[00:35:05] when coming back, considering that all four of them, I think, have undergone in their own ways, very instrumental life changes since their last seasons? Yeah. Look, I love Jonathan Penner. I

[00:35:16] will talk about him as like one of my favorite people to watch on the show. And so if that is something that he wants to do, I am and maybe we might have an opportunity at some point to

[00:35:31] talk with him and ask him what his thoughts are about that. But I think of these four people that are on the screen, I think the person that I would be most interested about what they could do on a

[00:35:41] returning chance, I think would be Candice, because I feel like that Candice really did not get the third time to play where she ends up being immediately voted out in Blood vs. Water. And so

[00:35:56] I feel like she's a two time player who has certainly shown us some chops. And I think that having the chance, I think that she would be sort of slept on. And I think that as somebody

[00:36:07] who is, you know, with Billy Garcia. Yeah. I think that as a person with more experience in life, I think that Candice could be, you know, a major threat to win. Yeah. I mean, she's also one of

[00:36:20] these people who is a mother, has I think has not lost that like sense of pugnaciousness that had her flipping off Brad Culpepper. So she can go from being a mother to being celebrated as mother

[00:36:31] by the Modern Survivor fan base. Yeah. So I think Candice would be a very interesting returnee, but it's hard to also then she's played so many times, so she's not like a second chancer. So

[00:36:41] right now she's coming back in like a legend season potentially. Yeah. I mean, it's tough because like my mind has shifted from maybe second chances to could you retrofit it to like best or biggest characters to never win where maybe there are some second chances on there?

[00:36:57] But do you want to have like Candice 4.0 on there versus like Q 2.0? That's again, a bit of a discussion up for debate. But I think because there are some people coming up in this list,

[00:37:07] and I would even put like Danielle in that category of like, I would like to see what a return could bring, but obviously would not befit a second chance this season. Right. I think that

[00:37:16] maybe that's sort of like her character, like her legacy is that you bring her back in a legend season and she's still the person. Why is she here? But I think that that is what Candice brings to

[00:37:26] with survivor season. She's the person that you bring back and say, wait, why is she here? All right, let's move into Fiji, which of course had Gia worthy on for a very fun time. And yet

[00:37:36] again, a very overlooked cast. So we had a lot of pickings to choose from. We have, of course, the winner in Earl, one of our runners up who made one of the biggest moves of the season in dreams.

[00:37:47] Certainly one of the most talked about screwed over players in survivor history in Michelle and Gia made a bit of a case for a pre merger to make a return here in Anthony, putting the wish

[00:37:59] in wishlist. Truly, Rob, for sure. And Anthony Robinson is a very fun person. So would not would not ever be mad to see him get a second chance at survivor. The person that I think

[00:38:11] is really the most intriguing to me here is Earl. I feel like that Earl would be able to come back. I would imagine is still going to be in pretty good shape. And I think that there's a lot of

[00:38:25] different versions that you could come up with that could get you Earl returning to the show. And so be very fascinated to see that. Yeah, I mean, listen, the dude visits Fiji seemingly like every six months. So you might have homegirl Island. Yeah, exactly. I don't think

[00:38:42] that's fun as well. Maybe not as sacrosanct as bring someone on from season one for season 50, but it'd be fun to bring on somebody from the first time they played in Fiji as they keep playing

[00:38:51] in Fiji. Yeah, I think there's a lot about Earl that you could bring back. He didn't get to play in Winners at War. I think that there would just be a reverence for him of that being the first

[00:39:03] black man to win the show. I think that people would unanimous winner. Yeah. So I think that Earl, I think, would be somebody who would be, I think, great in just about in numerous different

[00:39:16] versions of a season 50 theme. All right, let's move on to Survivor China, and we're back to a little bit of a returning stuffing here. The exception, of course, being Todd, a winner who

[00:39:29] has certainly undergone his own journey, for lack of a better term, in the time since he's won. But we also have a talk about Amanda, which I think falls into my earlier category of somebody

[00:39:39] who played a bunch but has been gone for a long time and has expressed as recently as a few years ago that she would want to play again. P.G., who did not get, definitely had more of a second

[00:39:51] chance than someone like Candice, but still did feel a little bit like burned out too soon. And the biggest question mark that I still have is about James, who obviously went out in a little

[00:40:02] bit of an uproarious fashion in Heroes vs. Villains has it's been expressed to me in stories and hearsay that he does not watch the show anymore. But I think the argument that AJ Norris made with me is

[00:40:15] that James was just so popular at the time that it'd be interesting to see him come back. You could bring back James in any era. I think that people would be excited to see him from the last I

[00:40:26] remember was in Survivor Ghost Island. They brought back Eric and James, and I think James still looked great. He still looked like James. So I think that certainly belongs on the ballot. And Todd,

[00:40:40] I think is the person here who, similar to Earl that we just talked about a one-time player who won on their first shot. But Todd has this completely different station in life where

[00:40:54] he has been very public about his demons that he's faced. And so I think that Todd has a really interesting story to be somebody that would get brought back. Yeah, and this is something I talked

[00:41:05] about with AJ as well. I do think addiction is something that afflicts so many of us and the people we love and even ourselves. And it's been talked about a couple points with Carolyn more

[00:41:14] recently, a little bit with Vetus. But I do think that not to say people on Survivor should get cast to spread any specific message and only that. But I think you take such a great player in Todd and

[00:41:26] add that captivating story to it. I'm sure there's a lot of relatability there. Yeah. So, yeah, Todd would be great in so many different versions of Survivor 50. All right, let's move on to Micronesia because Rob, a little bit of breaking news here. First

[00:41:41] off, I completely they changed their names. No, it should be Natalie Bolton, Eric Reichenbach, Jason Siska and Tracy Hughes-Wolf. The issue, Rob, is that someone has been doing a really great job on Reddit posting the summaries of these podcasts. Shout out to JAD4400. And in response

[00:42:03] to the post from last week that had China through Samoa in it, Eric Reichenbach responded saying, and I quote, I will likely not play on 50 if asked. I have a young son and leaving him and my wife and

[00:42:16] my job would be too difficult to arrange. I would love to play Survivor again, but the logistics to do so are really complex for my life right now versus when I played in both Micro and Caramoan. OK, all right. So Reichenbach giving up his guaranteed spot on Survivor 50.

[00:42:35] Should he do it to Natalie? Should I put Natalie on twice? It feels appropriate. Yeah. Hey, look, respect it. Listen, I understand that's the thing as well, is that I've been trying to parse through as to people have been bit by the bug. Does it live in

[00:42:48] their system? Some people, especially from these old school seasons, do want to move on with their lives or it's just a matter of timing. We talk about that with somebody like Earl. And so,

[00:42:57] yeah, Eric is kind of abdicating control here. He's removing himself from the ballot. So we have three right now, a trio from the fans of Micronesia. OK, all right. I mean, this is fine. Yeah. Any thoughts on Natalie, Francisca and Tracy?

[00:43:15] Yeah, I think that Tracy that and there was, you know, I really enjoyed all the Tracy Hughes Wolf love on the podcast. I mean, I kind of feel like that Tracy,

[00:43:29] I think it might be, you know, you bring up to Jeff Tracy, who? Mary, who? Tracy, who? But it's fine. All right. Well, let's move on to Survivor Gabon and like the season proper is pure chaos when I

[00:43:46] was on with the king of Twitter chaos in Brian Cohen. So we put on Susie. Brian Cohen is the king of Twitter chaos. Oh, my God. Yeah. Follow him during the season.

[00:43:58] When he starts any tweet with does anyone else? Yeah. You know that it's just going to be opening up Pandora's box. Sure. Big brother. So we have Susie, our runner up who lost by one vote.

[00:44:08] We have one of the powerhouse duos of the season in Kenny and Crystal. And we have the sort of swap screwed guy who seemed to have it all until it all came crashing down around him in Marcus.

[00:44:18] Fun fact, Rob, all four of these people came from the same second swap tribe. OK. Can I get just a age check on Susie? Susie is sixty three. OK, I don't think that Susie is like

[00:44:38] a Susie is somebody who, you know, when we talked about like, OK, well, Helen was a Navy Sea instructor, a swim instructor like Susie, somebody who like in her survivor prime was somebody who was not a comp beast. She did win some immunities. Could have won the season.

[00:44:56] And I think that Susie has certainly been through a lot in her personal life. I don't know if Susie is coming back to survivor. I am. I'm willing to remove Susie's vocal cords

[00:45:06] when it comes to this ballot and not put her on. Yeah, I think we could spare her the indignity of being on the ballot. All right. So Susie is off right now. And who knows? We might have

[00:45:19] some more people to add on on her side. Don't worry. OK, all right. Let's move on to token sheens. I did that with, of course, frail Mary Mary Kutkowski, and we have two of its main

[00:45:30] returnees in the form of coach and Tyson coach recently put out a tweet where he said that he probably wouldn't play anymore. Stephen Fishback rebutted that on the podcast. But I would say

[00:45:41] probably the one you're most intrigued by, Rob, is the third person we've put on so far from this season, Aaron. Yeah. Aaron, as a second chancer, would be very interesting. I think that I used to

[00:45:51] have really some great podcast interviews with Aaron way back when in the very early days of Rob's podcast. I found her to be a super fun person to talk to. But Stephen had a fun know

[00:46:04] it all's with her a couple of years ago. So Survivor 42, I think, when you had a live show. Yeah, we were doing the live show. And so Stephen called her up and so she did a great job there.

[00:46:17] And so sure, why not for Aaron Lobdell? All right. Well, let's move into one of our more talked about seasons in terms of the discourse of who we did and did not put on Survivor Samoa. So far,

[00:46:32] we have Jason, former astronaut. Sure. We have getting clothesline by the clothesline, Eric Cardona. And again, putting the wish in wishlist. Someone who just barely missed out on the merge in Liz Kim did this one, of course, with the great Dr. Avi Jagoda. And I will also plug

[00:46:48] right now. It's no longer June, but check out the pride has spoken. If you haven't this year in particular was a really strong crop. OK. All right. So this was a fun podcast also. So kudos to

[00:47:01] Evi. Jason is somebody we talked to Jason recently on talking with T-Bird. I thought that that was a really great interview that we had there. You can hear all those talk. A lot of these people were

[00:47:14] on talking with T-Bird. Yeah. Rob, thank you to you and T-Bird. We were able to get like their official feet to the fire. Thank you. Yes. And yeah, Jason's feet could have needed to be closer

[00:47:25] to the fire, but hopefully keep his socks safe. Yeah, exactly. His feet were in a form of the fire and the socks that Russell Bird on the first night. Yes. OK. Eric and Liz, I do not think

[00:47:40] are going to be very realistic possibilities to be on Survivor 50, but I'm not I won't keep the like I'm only saying in case of like this person I do not think is in the physical condition for the

[00:47:55] rigors of Survivor. That's the only grounds that I'll say like, like, what are we doing here? So Jason, I think would be interesting. I'm not sure necessarily if he's going to be too high on Survivor's radar, but sure. Yeah, exactly. I think unfortunately, when it comes to Samoa,

[00:48:14] it's Russell and pretty much nobody else. But this is an opportunity to your point for maybe us to drudge up some characters. And if the right people are watching, you'd be like, hey, you remember

[00:48:23] these people? Look, this guy became an astronaut. Wouldn't it be fun to have him back on Survivor? Again, I think he went to space like does one trip to space. I guess he's not a professional

[00:48:34] astronaut. How many times have you gone to space, John Robert? Yeah, he did. He did get to go to space, but that Jason has not joined NASA. All right. Well, let's wrap up with a couple of

[00:48:48] seasons in the early 20s. Of course, we began our delving into the dark ages of Survivor, Rob, but maybe there's some stuff to explore amidst the cracks. And to that point, Survivor Nicaragua with Sarah Carradine, we did pick four from this group. The winner in Fabio,

[00:49:06] the fallen angel in Holly, the biggest strategist of the season, arguably in a Marty and someone who has a quite a polarizing reception both then and now in Nayaka. I was very fun reading the

[00:49:20] comments for this one, Rob. We're like there was one comment that said quitters shouldn't get back on the ballot with like twenty five likes a million below it. I love Nayaka. She's one of

[00:49:28] my favorite characters, like ten to fifteen like so really Nayaka is one of those characters, especially in this era of Survivor where you either love them or you don't. Yeah, I'm not sure necessarily we're going for Nayaka of a Survivor 50 candidate, but like I want to

[00:49:44] live in a world where Nayaka is on the traders. I want to see Nayaka on the House of Villains. So I think that that would be great. But if people want to vote for Nayaka,

[00:49:55] I think that they should be able to vote for Nayaka. Can I get an age check for Marty and Holly? Yeah. So Marty and Holly, I mean, because they came from the season where everyone on the older

[00:50:05] tribe was was 40 and older. Holly is forty eight and Marty is sixty two. OK, so Holly's forty eight now. Oh, wait, sorry. I did not do some math there. Let me look that up. She was frozen in time.

[00:50:22] Now, Wendy Jo said that nobody asked her age. So I'll ask Wendy Jo's age also. Can I get an age check on Wendy Jo? Sure. Holly is fifty eight. OK, I should say just drop the four out of five.

[00:50:35] Yeah. OK. And Marty is that but Marty, I feel like was like like rode bicycles and stuff like that. So I think he could probably still do it. Wendy Jo is a Wendy Jo's Marty age. She's sixty two as well.

[00:50:48] Has anybody seen Fabio recently? I mean, listen, that's a great question. I heard different reports about Fabio's you know what his status is. Yeah, I mean, there was of course the legend back in the day. Right. They're like immediately

[00:51:06] following you talk about the follies of giving a 21 year old a million dollars that all this stuff happened after the season. I feel like he's randomly popped up on Instagram here and now. I don't know how much he liaises with his fellow Nicaragua castaways, but it's fine.

[00:51:21] He's doing OK. If you want to vote for Fabio, vote for Fabio. All right. And last and certainly not least for this halftime special, Redemption Island, we finally put Boston Rob on the ballot,

[00:51:33] partially because I was like, I don't know who else we're putting on from this season. But we found a couple in someone who did come back multiple times in Andrea and someone who had the chance to but did not get voted through in Stephanie Valencia. Yes, Stephanie Valencia

[00:51:47] was interesting that she kind of popped back up during Survivor Second Chances, and I got the chance to interview her there. And I think that she had like some fire. I mean,

[00:51:57] with all due respect to Monica Padilla, like I feel like that maybe that Stephanie might have been a little bit more exciting on Survivor Second Chance instead of Monica. But OK. And Andrea

[00:52:11] loves Survivor. I think that you certainly would not blanch at a Andrea appearing on a legend season at some point in the future. And, you know, as long as survivors on the air, people

[00:52:24] are going to talk about Boston Rob. Yeah. And of course, I talked about this with the great Dr. Christian Hubicki and we somehow between the two of us talked about it for an hour, which maybe

[00:52:33] goes to show the quality of cast of Survivor Redemption Island when it comes to returning yards. OK. All right. So that is our ballot, Rob. So we have removed a couple of people,

[00:52:45] one voluntarily, one through your own. Should we start an adding spree here? OK, let's take a look. You know, I'm curious because I don't know the people that are sort of like on the bubble. And so

[00:52:59] let's let's talk it through. Yeah. So these are people that look, I put out the ask on social media a few days ago, but these are people that in the various days that these podcasts have been

[00:53:08] released, I have received a voluminous feedback from either people that I did not realize wanted to return or people that, frankly, I didn't realize were as popular as I thought that there

[00:53:23] were a lot of fans kind of swarming through being like, no, you got to put this person on. So listen, it's always a great time to check in with the survivor fandom and a bit of an ego boost to

[00:53:33] realize how popular some of these players are. I think that a lot of these people that are going to be put on the list are definitely less on the realistic side of what they get a call for.

[00:53:42] Survivor 50, to your point, this is maybe more so to satiate people, have their fun. All right. Well, I'll throw some names out and we can do some quick. Rob, I know you're not necessarily

[00:53:53] experienced in this, but maybe some like swipe left, swipe right, whether we should put them on the ballot or not. OK, this is this is I want them and this is I don't want them. This is the

[00:54:03] blind and the blind. I have no freaking clue. All right. Well, so I'm going to go in chronological order here. So we'll start from Borneo and work our way down. Ramona Gray, this is something that

[00:54:14] you and I spoke about, Rob, where I think maybe her Internet tale is is quite long. This is somebody who has expressed wanting to come back, has done like one of these Battle of the Bush events. Obviously,

[00:54:26] I think pales in comparison to the other pogongs. I think all the pogongs that make the list. But how would you feel about putting her on the ballot? I have no issue if people want to vote

[00:54:35] for Ramona. I mean, I feel like that. The the odds of it coming through, like even even in terms of like our, you know, our vote, if this is where people want to want to spend their votes like

[00:54:52] let let them let people do it. But, you know, this is we are really leaning very hard on the wishing. Yes, absolutely. This is purely in the world where it's like we desperately want to have somebody

[00:55:08] from Borneo. And, you know, so I do think that there is there is some world where I think that all of the Borneo people like so I think this is a long shot, but maybe not the longest of

[00:55:20] long shots that we're talking about. All right. Moving on to Australia. So there was a little bit. I love Ramona. I had a yeah, I sat with Ramona on a flight like right after I got off of

[00:55:32] Survivor. No, like in 2003, the summer of 2003. And it was incredible. So I love Ramona personally. She looks great. She could do it. I just don't think that she's particularly but but but her on.

[00:55:51] All right. So let's move on to the Australian outback. So when Josh Wiggler and I were talking, yes, there was when we showed the premergers, there was a row of Jeff Varner, Michael Scoopin

[00:56:02] and Kimmy Kappenberg. And we just said like, all right, let's not talk about the top row and move on. And I got so many comments as to why didn't you talk about Kimmy?

[00:56:11] Where's Kimmy, et cetera. So I will shed a little light here because I think it does bring up actually a larger point I want to discuss with you, Rob, is that a few years back during the

[00:56:21] height of the pandemic, Kimmy Kappenberg did make a controversial social media post where she compared getting vaccinated to the yellow star that Jews had pinned on them by the Nazis during the Holocaust. And obviously that caused an understandable big stir. The question I have for

[00:56:40] you, Rob, is do you think that people who have made some controversial posts on social media, not to say that like CBS would say if you were on one side of the aisle in a manner of speaking,

[00:56:52] that's going to preclude you from participating. But I feel like there's a difference between that and externalizing controversial views. We will certainly get to that with maybe a couple people from survivor worlds apart. Do you think from production's perspective, though, that would

[00:57:06] preclude them from being asked back for another season? You know, it's hard to say. I suspect that Kimmy is not high on the wish list for, I mean, it was kind of a long shot that she was even in the

[00:57:21] mix for survivor second chances. But, you know, it's my personal viewpoint that I feel like that you elevate people in some ways by saying that they can't be part of the thing, as opposed to

[00:57:42] like in the case of somebody like Kimmy who might be on the ballot. And I don't know how many people are going to be casting their votes for Kimmy. But if you're saying that, OK, that she has this

[00:57:56] view that is not the viewpoint that we have here on the podcast, then now, you know, I feel like you're giving a lot of life to that as opposed to like, OK, sure, you can vote for Kimmy.

[00:58:15] I had a really great conversation with Kimmy when we did the memorial for Keith Nail. And, you know, I think that, you know, it's I just I have a hard time gatekeeping, you know, who should be in,

[00:58:32] who should be out when, you know, especially when it's like, you know, it's probably not going to happen and survivor has to make that call. I don't know if we do. OK, so because I think the other

[00:58:47] thing and one of the reasons why, again, I think people understand we were like, why weren't you talking about Kimmy? I mean, this was one of the more recent returnees from Australia. She's a

[00:58:55] little quiet, but definitely does make that big push towards the end, including when she goes out in the whiteboard tribal council. So definitely someone that I think people said stood out and

[00:59:05] could be interesting on a third chance. So would you want to put her through to the ballot at least? I think if people want to vote for Kimmy, I think that they should be allowed to vote

[00:59:14] for Kimmy. And I think that what we have to remember is also like, you know, that. Survivor found the person who in the year 2000 said, like, oh, this is a person that has a big

[00:59:29] mouth that's going to really annoy the tribe mates with very polarizing views about things. And they put her on the show for that. And I think that that is still the same person.

[00:59:44] Yeah, and I apologize for kind of lumping her in with Varner and with Scoopin, who are all definitely in varying degrees of controversy as well. But let's move on to Survivor Africa. Lindsey Richter. This is somebody that got pushed a couple of times. Kelly was obviously someone

[01:00:04] that I brought through latently. She's another premerger. Sorry, Kelly made the jury, but she's a premerger that definitely, as we talked about, was one of the main characters of those first six episodes or so. Would you want to see her on the ballot?

[01:00:18] I mean, personally, I would not put her through, but I have no issue with her being on the ballot. OK, now let's move into more cases. I have a mea culpa here. I very much apologize.

[01:00:33] I completely forgot. Listen, Rob, you're very kind in talking about my wealth of survivor wisdom. Who? I totally forgot that Nalia made this huge push after second chances to get back on Survivor.

[01:00:44] Yeah. I did not think about that whatsoever. This is I know you're the one that is making these decisions, you know, up and down. I'm fine. I want to put Nalia through here. Yeah, put Nalia through. Look, just spoiler alert, if people want to vote for somebody,

[01:01:05] just let them vote for her. I feel like it's a bigger story that we're saying this person can't come through. We don't trust the audience enough to let them vote on who should be through.

[01:01:22] I'm like, oh, we're worried that if we let the people vote for this person there, that everybody's going to vote for them. You know, like let let this like some of these people show

[01:01:34] like, OK, there is a point zero one percent of people who want you to be back on Survivor 50. Yeah. All right. So Nalia is getting on there. And I do think she has one of the most appeal

[01:01:44] of these wild cards just because we talked about this a bit with Chantel. She was so young when she played. No, I think that is you could argue a case that like Nalia is not one of the crazier

[01:01:56] people we're talking about, you know, being on the ballot. What about Gina Cruz? I forgot about this, but I think I don't remember if Bonu broke her record or came close to it, but I believe

[01:02:06] she holds the record for most amount of confessionals. I think you say most watermelon seeds spit. Well, she's still the champion, hopefully in that regard. But certainly someone who was very popular at the time to the point that Jeff, I think, yelled at Nolia, Pascal and

[01:02:20] Kathy for like leading her along and then blindsiding her. I had a lot of reverence for Gina Cruz, you know, back in my Survivor fan days prior to going onto the show. I think that

[01:02:34] it is the longest of long shots. But if somebody wants to vote for Gina Cruz, you know, watermelon seeds, baby. Well, somehow, some way there is another Survivor Thailand cast away that people

[01:02:49] want to talk about here. Rob with two B's. Honestly, I think that that is one that's not wouldn't be that crazy in terms of like as if you were looking for deep pull, interesting second

[01:03:03] chance candidates like I think had they done a second chances instead of all stars, I think he could have gotten a call. I'm sure they checked his availability for Survivor all stars like, OK,

[01:03:17] you're the third Rob on our list. But and what is the general fourth? The general will be fifth. Yeah. And I think that there is this matter of as a lot of people were talking about in response

[01:03:29] to that, this idea of like, obviously, he was kind of a brat in Thailand. And there is this growth potential of like having him come back. And and what would he look like now? Would he still bring

[01:03:40] the skateboard? I don't think he would bring a skateboard, but I do think we did a reward. Maybe we did a talking with T-Bird with him. I think he's an interesting guy. I think he's going to

[01:03:52] make good TV no matter when you bring him back. And I think that as like an adult and especially if you like had him brought him back and now he's dealing with like returning players who are like

[01:04:04] 21, 22 years old. Like I do think that that's an interesting story. So sure. Definitely put him on the ballot. All right, Rob, we're going to your beloved Amazon. Yes. Here. Talk to me about Heidi.

[01:04:17] Do you want her on the ballot? I would love to see Heidi be back on Survivor if Heidi said she would do it again. I think that that would be great. I do wonder if Heidi would say yes to a

[01:04:31] return to Survivor. I know that she definitely had like issues with like the medical treatment of being on Survivor. She looked at her knee. She does not need this for anything. But if Heidi

[01:04:43] wanted to do it, put Heidi on the ballot. I think she is also besides Nalia, maybe one of the other and Russell, which we'll get into probably one of the biggest people that had the biggest groundswell

[01:04:53] of support to put on. Oh, that's nice. I really love to hear that. I would be so thrilled if Heidi was back on Survivor in any way, shape or form. What about Christie? It's been revealed to me after

[01:05:07] we did our podcast that Christie is someone that actually does want to come back and obviously. Yeah. And I think accessibility has also become an even bigger thing since she was on the show. So

[01:05:20] it could be fun to watch her first deaf contestant on the show if they wanted to bring her back. I don't know anything about her personal. I'm not sure if she has a family or anything like that,

[01:05:33] but would be interesting to see how that goes. All right. Moving into Pearl Islands. I got a phone call from an unknown number and all it said on the other line was Mike Bloom is the biggest

[01:05:46] puss I've ever seen. Why am I not on the ballot? And here's my other man Colby here. Chris is going on. OK, I'll be honest when I podcasted with Owen, I had no idea if she wanted to play again. I know

[01:06:00] that she had shown up at a couple of events. Rob, I think she was at one of the finales that you and I attended. But outside of that, I didn't know a all the wild stuff she's been up to and be

[01:06:11] wild stuff. Yeah. I was talking with T-Bird like the day after we released the podcast. She is going. She was on a recent talking with T-Bird said that she would definitely want to play again.

[01:06:22] So sure. Let people vote for Krista. Yeah. And I think as well, we're trying to expand behind, you know, the big three of Pearl Islands. And I think Chris is somebody that a lot of people

[01:06:32] want to see back in some way, shape or form. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a long shot that survivor says this is the direction they want to go. But if people want to vote for her, here's another one that I'm interested to get your thoughts on.

[01:06:45] Burton, I think Burton is underrated as like a person. Now, is he would he qualify for a second chance season? That's a good point because he has been voted out and came back again. So certainly Burton, I think, would be a interesting returnee case. I'm not sure if

[01:07:05] he was ever seriously considered on some of the other ones. But Burton is somebody who was a great athlete. He's sort of like a low key funny guy. So, yeah, I think that Burton like probably has some appeal with like the longtime super fans. Yeah. And he said,

[01:07:22] I believe in a quarantine questionnaire that he did want to come back. He just thinks that like his time is done. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I probably agree with that for Burton. But sure,

[01:07:33] why not? Well, then let's finish off Pearl Islands with someone that Owen and I left on the bubble. I said that I talk about him during Cambodia, but that was before this entire podcast

[01:07:42] was conceived. Somebody who is a more recent appearance from and I believe only the fourth person to return from Pearl Islands. How would you feel about an Andrew Savage 3.0? I have no issue with it. Andrew Savage has been pretty vocal on Twitter. I think he would love to

[01:08:00] come back and play it again. He was somebody else I got to speak to during the Keith Nail tribute that we did. So, I don't think that he is going to be a real groundswell of support of like vote

[01:08:16] Andrew Savage in. But I do think that he is going to create conflict every time he's on the show. And I will say, you know, I'm getting some comments in the chat like Isaac saying,

[01:08:27] you know, no Savage. What is left to tell? That's not our that's not necessarily our job to cast the show. We're just letting people like if Andrew Savage ends up on the vote and gets,

[01:08:41] you know, two percent of the vote, like a two percent of like I don't even know how like. That's Rupert's favorite drink, two percent cow's milk. Yeah. I just think that it's a bigger story to say, you know, he like no, we're sick of him.

[01:08:59] We don't want to see him again, as opposed to if he wants to do it. We're just giving people like an extra bubble to potentially check. That's my thing is that if you don't want

[01:09:10] to see them on the cast, don't vote for them. That's why the vote's important. And that extends to like Boston Rob, Sandra. I understand if people don't want to put them on the ballot because they played so many times. You don't want to see them on Survivor 50.

[01:09:22] I think this gives the vote more weight. Like this is like makes makes this exercise stronger that it wasn't just like, yeah, well, you only were able to vote from the people they picked. Yeah, absolutely. So let's move post all stars here. Anyone from Vanuatu? I had Rory

[01:09:46] in possible contention. Would you want to see Rory on the ballot? Um, Rory, I feel like was like an older, younger person. Right. Like, how old was Rory when he

[01:09:56] played? So Rory when he played was 35. So he is 55 now. Okay. I mean, look, Rory was great to see that he popped up first. He was on the black voices of Survivor roundtable. And then I did

[01:10:14] an interview with him in Survivor 41. Still was worried about a women's alliance. So I don't know necessarily what you're going to get from Rory if you put him on Survivor 50. But let's people

[01:10:30] want to vote for Rory. Let them vote. All right. Otherwise, it'd be quite classless if we did not put him through. So here's one that I briefly want to mention. I want to mention a couple from

[01:10:39] Palau, Rob, because these are a couple people that I disqualify due to extenuating circumstances. But I wonder how much again we want to stretch credulity here. Tom Westman. I mean, Tom talked

[01:10:50] with you about the fact that he was not given a call for Survivor 50. Then maybe some reports about his health have been a little disqualifying. I was worried from a health perspective if he would

[01:11:02] be able to come back. I know someone like Yao Man is like outright disqualified because he has a heart condition. But what do you think about putting Tom on? I say if Tom is telling us I cannot

[01:11:12] compete on Survivor anymore. But like if people want to vote for Tom to come back, I don't know if people are really itching to put Tom Westman 3.0 through. But if people like are really

[01:11:27] clamoring for Tom. I mean, when we talked to him, I'm talking with T-Bone, I know it's 2020. He seemed pretty feisty. He sounded like he was ready to go back. Yeah, absolutely. And so we can

[01:11:37] put him back on. I do want to bring up again because I received so much feedback about why did you not put Ian on? And again, I will say that Ian has said in a few places, including talking

[01:11:48] with T-Bone, he would only play if it was the last season. Yeah. And if there was a five million dollar cash prize. Yeah. If people are telling us that they don't want to do this, we need to believe

[01:11:58] them also. Yeah, that's the thing as well. I know that Steven Fischbach is again saying like, no, coach actually says no when he means yes. But I'm taking when someone says no, it means no.

[01:12:07] Some of these people that we if we put them through and then we hear also like, by the way, like I am not doing Survivor 50, like we'll take them off. We just did it with Eric.

[01:12:20] What about Bobby John? Bobby John is somebody that I passed over for Palau, passed over for Guatemala. What do you think? Yeah, Bobby John, the originator of Haktua, I think. Right. I mean, I think he immortalized it. But yeah, I mean, he was the progenitor.

[01:12:46] Anyway, so sure. Bobby John, like at least he's played twice. I think that the people have some interest. I think he has like some name recognition. Yeah, it's a little bit of like

[01:12:58] unfrozen caveman lawyer of like, how would he look like now that he's dressed up, you know, has a relatively normal life, has a family, etc. Yeah, I think that he's a stretch for a legend

[01:13:07] season. And obviously he's played twice. So I don't see a world or a theme where he fits in, but we want to vote for him. What do you think about Gary Hogan? Boom, Hawkins.

[01:13:16] Do you think he's moved on from Survivor? Yeah. What's Gary's age? I know he was like five, 65 now. I mean, he's like he was a pro athlete again. This is just like one person said.

[01:13:34] How about this person? There are a few people that were suggesting Gary Hogan. I mean, he was a big character. I feel I don't care either way. Again, I think people understand that my

[01:13:45] default instinct is, you know, if people want somebody, let them be on the ballot. But I just don't want to just do like, like any random name. How about this person? You know, but sure, Gary.

[01:13:56] Fine. Put Gary Hawkins through. What about Cindy? Because Cindy has had some wild talking with T-Bird stories. Yeah, she had some. She's I think one of the only people that we brought back for a

[01:14:06] second talking with T-Bird because she had so many stories. So yeah, put Cindy through. Talking about the next season, talking about wild characters, I think one of the people that others have mentioned that got left out of this chaotic Kaseya alliance, Courtney Merritt.

[01:14:23] Do we drop our guns in the sea of forgiveness and put her on the ballot? She wants to come back. Did she do? I have no earthly idea. Can we find her? Does she

[01:14:36] have an address? I mean, I would assume so. She lives in a shitty apartment, doesn't she? Yeah. Not like a commune somewhere? In a yurt. In a yurt. Sure. I mean, if there is a real clamoring

[01:14:50] for Courtney Merritt. Although I'm just worried that people are going to think it's Courtney Yates. Well, that's the thing, though, not to speak to it. Courtney Yates said no. Yeah. And there

[01:15:01] still are people that are like, I don't care. Put Courtney on the ballot. But she said that she doesn't want to play again. If she says she doesn't want to play, you can't put her on the

[01:15:08] ballot. Yeah, I agree. And that at least gives her an advantage. And I don't believe there are any. I mean, we have like Courtney Moon, but spoiler alert, she's not making the ballot from

[01:15:16] Survivor One World. OK. So now we get into Cook Islands, which, yes, had a lot of people left off because there were so many people we had to be. Yeah, I'm dying to know who are the Cook Island

[01:15:29] people that people are really upset about. So one big one was Nate Gonzalez. Yeah. Because a lot of people felt if you ask anyone from Cook Islands and even in the quarantine questionnaire, there's

[01:15:41] so many things about how great Nate was, how good of a guy he was. Listen, he was a bigger character amidst the alliance. I just sort of like, again, not put him amongst the elite of the fraternities.

[01:15:52] Yeah. He is a very charismatic guy, very funny guy. He showed up at the Rob is a Podcast 10 year anniversary show that we did. So I don't have a problem with Nate coming through again. It's

[01:16:11] hard to imagine that this is where Survivors going with a second chance, but people want to vote for Nate. How about Jenny Guzon? Love you, bae. This is someone like in the vein of Michelle gets

[01:16:22] screwed over by this second voted tribal council business, certainly stand by the Survivor community. I mean, I. Sure, sure. If you need if you need to have Jenny Guzon Bay on the ballot, go for it.

[01:16:40] Here is maybe one of the biggest ones I've gotten requests for. Yeah. And again, I probably he's probably was fifth on my list where the other four not returnees cowboy. I mean, you talk about game

[01:16:52] changer. This is a guy who invented the game changers would have been a good spot for cowboy if they brought him back in in that as opposed to beast mode cowboy. I think that there would

[01:17:03] have been 100 percent approval rating for that one cowboy spot. Yeah. So, yeah, that would be that would be great. Let people vote for cowboy. Plus, I think he's only like 60 years old. I don't

[01:17:16] think he's necessarily as old as he looks. He could I mean, he killed that fire making challenge. Yeah, he'd be great. You know, it could give you a bad wind also if you have a headache, severe gastrointestinal distress. Now we're working our way really down here. Billy Garcia.

[01:17:40] Honestly, he has more cachet than a lot of the other people we're talking. I don't yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, I think he's he's one of these early boots that a lot of people remember.

[01:17:49] I mean, you talk about this a bit that like it's the worst to be the second boot from a season because at least like the first boot, you have an extended episode dedicated to you.

[01:17:58] Everyone remembers you for the most part. The second boot, you're kind of just sandwiched into a regular regular episode of Survivor. Billy breaks that mold. Yeah. Can I get an age check on

[01:18:08] Billy Garcia? Billy Garcia is fifty four years old. Yeah. OK. I mean, sure. Go for it. I mean, imagine him playing with Candice and maybe John Cody as well. All right, let's go to Fiji.

[01:18:25] Someone who was the same in twenty twenty four. I mean, that's like. Yeah, I think in the Challengers era, I don't know necessarily it works out so well. What about in Fiji? One of the names

[01:18:39] that we left off, someone who, again, was a bit purple but had an impact on the game and has certainly been mentioned a lot by the fan base. Stacey Kimball. If people want to vote for Stacey,

[01:18:50] Kimball, go have at it. There we go. So we already said Courtney breaking the vote today. I mean, we're putting like twenty five people on the list. I mean, I'm a little worried about

[01:19:04] like a backlash to like what the hell's the point? But, you know, like I think it probably we went from a short list and now we have a pretty medium list. Yeah. And I think, you know,

[01:19:16] what the hell is the point of this? Listen, we got complaints when we didn't add certain people to the list. If we get complaints of writing too many people to the list, what are we doing?

[01:19:23] But I guess that what I am saying here is that like I don't think it matters necessarily how many options we have on the list. We're not putting like we're not going to walk away with a cast of

[01:19:38] eighty seven people for Survivor 50. What we are doing is we are just opening up the Cheesecake Factory menu of saying, OK, these are all the things you can order. But now. All right,

[01:19:52] let's get your order here of what do you want? Yeah. And that's the thing as well is that, listen, I know we want to stick to hard rules and make hard decisions. But these are people

[01:20:03] that I've received a groundswell of vocal support put on the ballot. So I want to try to please those people. I don't think it breaks anything to have more people on the ballot. But I think

[01:20:13] ultimately, you know, when we get to our votes, you know, that's where people will have to make their decisions. Exactly. Then then the onus is on you all. We're just trying to be the conduit here.

[01:20:25] Let's go to Survivor. Let's go to Gabon. OK, Maddie is a big I did not realize there were that many Maddie stands out there. Evidently, there are some people were pissed that I put

[01:20:38] Marcus on over Maddie. I think I was a little turned off in the moment by the fact that Maddie has not seen any survivor before or after. But if he did, would he be Maddie?

[01:20:49] I mean, that's very true as well. Like you expect Maddie to show up on the first day of Survivor 50 like I've binged every season, bro. I mean, imagine if he did. It was so good.

[01:20:59] Yeah. So I think I think especially if getting rid of Susie, I think Maddie could be a good person to take her spot. Yeah. OK, sure. Do you have any thoughts about Charlie?

[01:21:08] Like does Marcus stand for Charlie? I always had an affinity for Charlie. So if Charlie wants to play, I feel like, you know, why not? It would be very confusing, though, if you also had Charlie

[01:21:20] Davis that also on this. That's true. Should we do a one name per ballot? No. I mean, like what on what grounds are we keeping Charlie out at this point? But I feel like that if we want a,

[01:21:34] you know, a Charlie lawyer from the Northeast, like I think we have one right here. That's a good point. It's a good point. So I don't know. I'm really on and off about it.

[01:21:44] Someone I'm less on and off about is Ace. What do you think about Ace Hull? Sure. I mean, was it Steven that said that I think on the know-it-alls of this season that he

[01:21:55] like was in communication with Ace and had some good. So yeah, Ace would be fine. I get it. There's no world in which Ace is going to be on Survivor 50. But if people want to vote for Ace.

[01:22:07] Have at it. So you spoke about Steven? Yes. And we talked about the guy that Steven stumped for on the Heroes vs. Villains podcast. He left JT off of token chains because A, we had seen the

[01:22:20] continual flame outs of this guy and B, maybe there were some rumors that behind the scenes it was not so copacetic. Steven has denied the latter and has said that, look, don't you want

[01:22:31] to see JT come on and continue to create great TV? How do you feel, Rob, about a JT 4.0? Yeah, I thought Steven made a very compelling case for JT in the podcast that you did with him

[01:22:42] where I know that there was some question about whether or not JT was like on the production bad list for, I don't know, like sneaking out of Ponderosa or something like that. But honestly,

[01:22:58] that's not our call to make. I don't think that there is a groundswell for JT 4.0, but I think that there's so many people that are on the ballot that I think are so much longer shots than JT.

[01:23:10] So let people vote for JT. All right. First player to play a perfect game as well. What about, I saw a little bit for Sierra, Sierra Reed from Token Sheens. And I mean, apparently she was going

[01:23:23] to be on Heroes vs. Villains. Was she not involved with the producer at the time? She was someone that I know Mary and I were like really debating to put on the list. How do you feel about her?

[01:23:34] I mean, personally, I don't need to see Sierra Reed on Survivor 50, but if it's somebody that people want to cast a vote for her, throw her a bone, then go for it.

[01:23:46] Throw a bone, if you will. OK, so Moa. Yeah, I have heard you all loud and clear. And to Rob's point, this is not necessarily us saying we support this guy and what he does and what he says.

[01:24:04] But there has been a very vocal support of, OK, why are you putting these people on? If it's going to be Legends, just put him on the ballot even if there's a chance he might not be on 50.

[01:24:16] Russell's going on. Russell's going on the ballot. Yes. Yeah, I just think, you know, from what I believe that I feel like that you can say that this is not something for me.

[01:24:32] But if you want to pursue it and you're not hurting another person by doing it, then you should have the ability to vote for Russell. I do not think Russell is getting a critical mass

[01:24:48] of votes. I don't think that they're... Look, maybe we're mistaken. But maybe then we have evidence like, wow, actually, Russell did surprisingly well in the poll. And then CBS needs to make the call ultimately. And I think that they are not... I do not believe that they

[01:25:07] are ultimately... And maybe they have some sort of like come to Jesus with Russell. But I think that people should be allowed to vote for Russell. That's the thing is that, listen, let the cards

[01:25:22] fall where they may. It has been very clear through my mentions that there are people that are still very supportive of Russell or at least supportive of if you're going to vote for him, season 50

[01:25:31] would be the time to be. That being said, I mean, I absolutely respect those that do not. I think Evy brought up some really great points about a lot of the hateful language

[01:25:40] that he has has utilized. Don't vote for him. The laundry list is extensive. And I just think that you elevate Russell more by saying he's not allowed to be on the list than he would be by

[01:26:00] having him be on the list and getting whatever votes he gets. All right. Well, perhaps the other side of that coin. How about the person he lost to the first time? Natalie White. Now, Natalie

[01:26:12] White is the biggest question mark, arguably, in Survivor. And I think there were some rumors that like she had gone to call for winners at war and didn't pick up and didn't want to be on.

[01:26:22] So that's why I disqualified her. But a lot of people want to add her onto the ballot. I mean, it would be interesting to see how Natalie White fares against Russell potentially if there's more of a Natalie White contingent. But sure. I mean, that

[01:26:40] can anybody even find Natalie White? I mean, I think that T-Bird has been looking for some time. She's in Oklahoma and she changed her last name. So maybe that's why. Hmm. OK.

[01:26:51] And then I'll finish off here with two people that have come back multiple times, so there will be other opportunities to bring them up. But I want to gauge your temperature right now, Rob, as to

[01:27:00] whether or not we should add them. The first Laura Moret. Yeah. Do we? Is there an appetite yet to have more of Laura Moret on Survivor? If people want Laura, I feel like that we got

[01:27:13] the like close to Laura Moret story the second time. But I feel like, again, if people want to vote for Laura Moret this time, then like let people vote for Laura Moret. The last one that's probably a bit more controversial is Brenda, because Brenda was

[01:27:30] someone that Sarah and I both said during the Nicaragua podcast that like for many reasons, we had enough of Brenda on Kara Moen. Again, we'll talk about her during Kara Moen. But what what do you think? Do you think that from like a production perspective,

[01:27:46] are the waters sullied there? Well, I guess I'm not privy to why do you feel like that the because she has done to take her teeth out? Yeah. I mean, I think like just the sour taste that

[01:27:57] she left it quite literally someone's mouth by the end there. And then you feel like production didn't like that? I guess that's a good question. I think she was just so negative. I guess the production was like, oh, bet. OK, let's go.

[01:28:11] Something exciting in the Kara Moen finale. OK. Yeah, I mean, it's not something I personally don't want to see her back, but I do see a point that people were making that like she is reasonably young. She is athletic. She's gone through life changes. She's a mother now.

[01:28:23] She's a player. And I've been, you know, a long a fan of Brenda's game from Nicaragua. So Black Mamba. Yeah. I can't see a reason why we wouldn't like allow her to be on the ballot.

[01:28:39] Like I think that, you know, I don't see anything disqualifying from her resume. OK. Yeah. I mean, again, I personally don't want to see her back, but that's why you don't vote

[01:28:50] for her. You know, it's like I felt that strongly about the I feel like there's some like between her and Laura. It's just like I've seen enough, you know, and I'm very picky with returning

[01:29:00] seasons where I want to bring back people with potential. Like if we were still trying to narrow it down, I think to how many votes each person is going to get on their ballot. I mean, like if

[01:29:12] we're going to do multiple rounds or anything like that, I can't see a world where that's one of my votes. But, you know, I don't see any reason why she shouldn't be there. OK, so to list out who we've added onto the ballot, Ramona Gray, Kimmy Kappenberg,

[01:29:27] Lindsay Richter, Nelia Dennis, Gina Cruz, Rob Zabachnik, Heidi Hamels, Kristie Smith, Krista Hastie, Burton Roberts, Andrew Savage, Rory Freeman, Tom Westman, Bobby John Drinkard, Gary Hogeboom, Cindy Hall, Courtney Merritt, Nate Gonzalez, Jenny Guzambay, Cowboy, Billy Garcia, Stacey Kimball, Maddie Whitmore. Did we say yes or no on Charlie?

[01:29:52] I can't remember. I think there's no reason to say no about Charlie. All right. So Charlie I believe her last name is Ace Gordon J.T. Sierra Reed, Russell Hans, Natalie White, Laura Moret, Brenda Lowe. OK, so can I can I make one other suggestion here? Please.

[01:30:12] Always should the people we added in today be denoted with any sort of like an asterisk or sort of like, for instance, Brenda Lowe parentheses fan choice. Yeah, that could be interesting. Like they're the wild cards. Yeah. Almost. But just like you still go through each

[01:30:35] season. But just to delineate, like I want to give more importance to the people that going through twenty two episodes of this podcast that were carefully curated and then there were other

[01:30:48] people that were sort of like, you know, just wild cards that got added in because fans wanted them to be there. Yeah, we can certainly make a note of that. You know, I don't know. Is that crazy?

[01:31:00] I don't think multiple like I don't think we need to have multiple votes. But like if it's sort of like, you know, your your top three choices and then like for you, you're going by season, right?

[01:31:12] And then parentheses. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's going to be a lot to look through regardless. I apologize if it's going to make your scrolling a little bit harder. And again,

[01:31:23] there might be people that are coming through and I feel like we're doing a lot of straw man right now, Rob. People coming through saying like, why the hell did you just add twenty five people

[01:31:30] to the list? You made this harder. Are you even like I know? So that same person is like, how come this person's on the list? Yeah. So I think, listen, we could have ideally gone,

[01:31:42] just put all the players out there for a big battle. But we want to do something special. We want to talk through these seasons, remind ourselves of the greatness that Survivor has had

[01:31:50] in the past. And yes, some of these seasons might have like six, maybe even seven people come back. But that speaks to the strength of those seasons. OK, and it's and now it's a nice mix of, you know, the the legends that we've seen come back multiple times.

[01:32:06] Some people that have come back a couple of times that would be fun to see back. And then some of these random one time players, which again covers a wide swath of I think who people

[01:32:14] want to vote for in this ballot. So again, apologies that we made your time that much harder. I know people have certainly some opinions about adding people on like Kimmy and Russell as well, who have certainly gotten themselves into some hot water.

[01:32:29] The fact of the matter is, A, you don't need to vote for them if you don't want to. And B, Rob made the decisions. And look, if enough people don't like this, we'll just delete this podcast. There you go. That's it as well. I don't know if they

[01:32:43] value it. It was not canon. It didn't happen. OK, it was all a dream to the 2000 people watching right now. You had too much fun at your Fourth of July party. But I know I really I really do believe that I trust the audience.

[01:33:00] Yeah. So like are we are we worried like that one like a person is going to like mount this like, you know, incredible like social media campaign to ultimately get voted on to the show? And when they were somebody who was survivor was never going to consider them

[01:33:18] in the first place. But then they hijacked the vote. And then because of the strength of this fan vote that then survivor re-examine their position on a person and then they got onto

[01:33:31] the show. Yeah. So we shall see just in case I have the hourglass on standby if needed so we could smash it. Rewind time. Speaking of that, we have also removed Eric and Susie from the list

[01:33:43] and added twenty five people in their stead. But I'm excited, Rob, because listen, we're going to take a long weekend here, but we'll be back next week. And the wheel will start back up again as

[01:33:56] we are going to survivor South Pacific. Now, we are still, I think, going to keep the initial rule of Max for in play for starting with Nicaragua through 46. I might expand it a little

[01:34:11] bit once we get to like Survivor 35, because we actually haven't had anyone come back from those seasons really. But we're going to stick to that. Maybe we'll do another wild card show towards the

[01:34:20] end of the season if there are any other flagrant people that I have left off. But before we know it, Rob, it'll be August and we'll start voting this however it may be possible. Yeah. And I think

[01:34:29] that we are open to some potentially some feedback about the best way to do the vote. Like, I think that that has not yet been decided if it's better to give, say, like a total of 20 votes or to give

[01:34:48] less votes or exactly, you know, we're going to work on like what would be the best way to potentially do this. Yeah. Listen, Survivor is all about building the plane as it flies, especially

[01:34:59] as we're talking old school survivor. And that certainly was the case here. Hell, on the first podcast, Rob, we both broke of our broke both of our cardinal rules in the first podcast alone. So

[01:35:10] rules are made. Baby. Exactly. We're flying by the seat of our pants, but it's been such a great time. I hope that people enjoyed this podcast as well. Hopefully was able to satiate maybe some of the

[01:35:20] cravings people have had over the past few weeks. And thank you, Rob, for always your support and for coming on here and lending your voice to who we have had on so far and the voluminous amounts

[01:35:29] of people we've added on since. Yeah. And this was just the old era. People who I think the reality is that like what are we up to? Eighty, eighty five people. Something like that. I think that

[01:35:46] the over under of the number of people that are even on this ballot that make the Survivor 50 cast, I think it's about one and a half. Yeah. But listen, it's an opportunity for us to express

[01:35:56] our voice at least. Mm hmm. Yeah. OK. All right. So we'll be back next week, starting back with South Pacific. Rob, anything else you want to plug before we bid adieu and officially start the long

[01:36:08] we have been covering the mole with the mole patrol here. I believe that the second week of mole episodes has just dropped. So be sure to check that out. And then also I mentioned the

[01:36:20] Survivor 50 draft that we did over on the Patreon feed. You could listen to that. I'm trying to think of from the entire list of people that we talked about. I do think that maybe trying to

[01:36:31] think of two or three people were drafted from the list of 30 that we ended up coming up with, including one of us on this podcast. I'm not going to say who. All right. And then also

[01:36:44] we've got somebody who you have recently spoken to. Dr. Christian Hubicki is going to join me again Monday night for Ask Christian Anything. So we will do that. We'll take your questions.

[01:36:58] What we've got the link up for that. We did a podcast with Drew Basile talking about his Jeopardy experience. And Mike, we missed you on Wednesday night for the new era think tank

[01:37:07] with James Jones, which was very fun. Be sure to check that out on Summer of Survivor. Yes. And so again, thank you all so much for the support. I know I've spoken a lot about,

[01:37:18] you know, some of the criticisms about it. I've also received a lot of love as well about the daily podcast, about getting this opportunity to take a stroll down memory lane. And of course,

[01:37:28] listen, we're all going to disagree about these things, but that's where the votes come in. So again, thank you all so much for the support, including today. I can't wait to get back to

[01:37:36] this next week and pick up where we left off as we pick a new group of players to add the ever-growing shortlist for Survivor South Pacific. Thank you all so much for listening. I hope everyone

[01:37:48] had a fantastic Fourth of July and have a great weekend as well. Until next time, everybody, take care. Bye-bye.