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[00:01:51] An off-season series where we are picking who could and should come back for a future returning season on Survivor 50 Today, we are done with the first all-star batch of seasons Now for something completely different even though it is using a previous theme
[00:02:09] We are going to Survivor Vanuatu colon Islands of Fire People are complaining there's no themes nowadays But back in our day, there used to be two themes arguably considering the subtitles that they would randomly attach to some seasons
[00:02:22] As we'll be talking about everything from the ninth season of Survivor Of course, I am not alone. I am joined by a Survivor fan, a Survivor alum Listen, he can't climb a ladder, but he can climb a greased up pole to get a totem at the top
[00:02:38] Like nobody's business. It is the great Brandon Donlan I would have been much like, I believe Sarge who kind of ducks Like Brady's behind him and he's like, no, no, you went you met Brady, right? Yeah. Listen, Vanuatu is one of my favorite seasons of the program
[00:02:51] It was never talked about in any pregame interviews until season 45 And I'm not even the one that brought it up Jake, you know, I was so shocked when I got home to hear the Jake's talking about Vanuatu
[00:03:01] So I have never been able to talk about Vanuatu publicly, obviously So I'm thrilled to be here to dive into the 18 most interesting people that have ever played Survivor Yeah, I'm really intrigued to talk about this season because I agree that it is quite underrated
[00:03:16] I think, you know, Stommy, if you heard this before, Brandon, especially in the wake of something like Survivor 46 I feel like the first half is probably a little slow That, you know, there are some interesting blind sides with a bit more of a slow burn
[00:03:30] But then once it gets to that second half, it catches, for lack of a better term, fire And it culminates in one of the most unlikely wins, I think When you look at, on paper, someone overcoming a 6-1 deficit
[00:03:44] Up against one of the most powerful women alliances in Survivor history Chris Doherty was able to do the impossible So we're going to talk all about Chris, all about the people he vanquished along the way And so much more
[00:03:58] Yeah, for many reasons, Vanuatu is definitely one of the less regarded seasons of Survivor Probably doesn't help that it is one of the seasons that features the least amount of returnees Only two And part of that is due to some circumstances around it First, the timing
[00:04:15] This is the first season to follow a big all-returnee season of Survivor And say what you want about all-stars I think it really ramped up this enthusiasm for the show To the point where you kind of wonder, okay, does the show go out on season 8?
[00:04:30] Wild to think about in retrospect But a lot of people weren't necessarily looking ahead to what's next And if they were, they were asking, how the hell are you going to top that? So when you find out, okay, it's 18 players It's all new players after these all-returnees
[00:04:44] We're going back to the old Battle of the Sexes theme It wasn't exactly a theme that had everyone's ears perked up On top of that, and something we will certainly get into This was not a well-liked season at the time Chiefly because we did get something rather unprecedented
[00:05:02] And something that would be repeated, obviously, seven seasons later To great effect in the Black Widow Brigade This ultra-powerful women's alliance Really running the table for the middle part of the game
[00:05:13] And then it all falling apart when the one guy in the final seven takes it in the end I know certainly in the moment, Jeff Probst was not a big fan of this season
[00:05:23] Though we can talk about how those reasons may have differed over the years as well The audience wasn't But Brandon, I totally agree with you In that I think if you take a closer look out of the realm of the fall of 2004 I think Vanuatu really holds up
[00:05:37] It's good. It's really good Now I had watched it for the first time in 2008 Back in the day when I was watching Survivor for the first time I got in at the Bone The only way to watch comfortably You could watch in snippets on YouTube
[00:05:48] But you had to buy the DVDs There were DVDs that were out Vanuatu was one of the only officially released seasons on DVD So I got that and I watched it It was good in 2008, I thought And it's still to this day
[00:05:59] Obviously, if you want to skip the pre-merge You want to fast forward through episodes two through seven Sure But once you hit the merge, we're on fire And I do believe that my favorite all-time episode of Survivor Is the surprise and surprise again Which is the family visit
[00:06:13] Where Leanne ultimately ends up going home Just because of the power shifts that happened there Seeing Chris and his wife Laurie in the challenge Chris being like, I'm going to go home I need you to know I'm going to go home
[00:06:24] And knowing that he kept it up when he got home And told Laurie that he did go home that night And then once the episode came up He's like, oh, I made another week And then another week And then another week I think it's so
[00:06:33] The whole back half is just perfect And there are points for everybody in that back half to come back Maybe first half a little bit slower But you get a really, really compelling group of people And just seeing the social dynamics And what Chris can dismantle by himself
[00:06:49] He doesn't have Chad or Sarge to help him do that He kind of puts the pieces in motion To get people to turn against each other It's just, for what I love, Survivor I love social I love watching social
[00:07:00] And Chris is just, he's the best in the biz He's really good And he's a bullshitter And they all, they said it there And it's delicious to me And I love it So I cannot wait to talk about
[00:07:09] The ins and outs of all the folks that were there Well, listen Let's stay on the subject of the man, the myth, the legend Let's start with our top two here And they're both really interesting candidates To talk about in their own right
[00:07:22] But let's start with the winner himself In Chris Doherty Because, yeah I feel kind of bad that this man's legacy Has been a bit forgotten In the regard for his season at the time Because what an incredibly skilled player In the art of deception
[00:07:39] There are so many times during this season, Brandon Where I just kind of throw my hands up Especially in the moment where I was like You know, all in on this Women's Alliance Take that last guy out Ride it to the end, etc, etc
[00:07:50] Just saying, how are you believing the bullshit He is shoveling right now And he just kept going with it He was able to take advantage of the large cracks That were going on within the Women's Alliance That was really exposed from the very beginning of the game
[00:08:05] This age division between, you know The young bucks and the old heads And being able to then broker a Final Four Alliance That took the game by storm But still, then Becoming the swing vote at the Final Five And cutting Julie and cutting Eliza
[00:08:23] But then delivering, to your point One of the best Final Tribal Council performances I've ever seen for a winner Up there with Todd Up there with Maryann Where Chris has a lot to answer to And yes, he is up against somebody That we'll talk about
[00:08:38] That definitely is able to help build the case for him Considering the stuff that she has done But the fact that he doesn't necessarily Take the tactic of like I'm gonna own up to this And show you why I deceived you all Like some winners had
[00:08:52] Instead, he is quite literally hat in hand He says like Oh, I can't believe I had to do that to you We have a really great relationship Even before Yul brings the props to Final Tribal Council And as a result He ends up winning handily
[00:09:09] And I think the expletive he lets out of F-yeah After he wins at the reunion Is a nice microcosm of just Everything he was able to bring To that electric second part of the game Well, and for me Like I said this When I did pregame interviews
[00:09:24] I said this on the island My favorite players of Survivor Are the folks that On paper You're not thinking are gonna get this far I mean, it's one of the reasons I love Dancing with the Stars It's like I love seeing celebrities Who don't otherwise dance
[00:09:35] Go on and be really good And like if you look at Chris on paper You wouldn't think that he has this You know, sixth gear in him To be able to pull these things off I mean, you know Right before the Final Tribal Council Telling Twyla like
[00:09:46] We're not gonna take their shit tonight We're gonna go back at him And then, you know Twyla's next to him Doing exactly that While Chris is like You know, he lost it And to I don't think I could ever Think of something like that
[00:09:58] I don't think most people can Like I think he just has a A secret gear that Really lended itself well to this You know, bottom half of the game Especially after almost going home On day three Like he was like, you know You know
[00:10:10] Some of us are not good At the first challenge Or the first couple of challenges You know He blew it for his team He went back And then he made a plan You know And that You know, that group that he made Carried him obviously
[00:10:21] Through the first half But even still You know, he doesn't ever have That opportunity To be really good at the second half If he doesn't recover in the first So I really I mean, he is One of the best in the biz And I just
[00:10:31] I mean, he's not called For winners of war Yeah, I think He had I mean, I've heard him say I forget where He has not He never got so much as an email He knew it was happening Because I think Ares maybe called him
[00:10:42] And told him it was happening Like he You know They have not had any interest In the past 20 years of the show Since he won Of having him back on And I think that Sucks And I understand I mean I don't believe that Jeff Was a huge fan
[00:10:56] When it happened I don't think he was a huge fan afterward I think there were Many reasons at play for that I think that he really could Bring a ton You know To especially a new era Of the game Like who knows how this person does
[00:11:06] Because this person Isn't on the new era of the game This person doesn't exist In the new era of Survivor So You know What we're leaving on the table It does It sucks So I guess the question is What are the chances Of us taking it off
[00:11:18] The table Because Yeah I think a lot That we're going to talk about With this cast in particular Is like Jeff Probst Is unfeasibly You know In charge of the show And it's going to be Tough to get people on Without sort of Getting past him
[00:11:33] And it's not like He has like a personal Dislike Of Chris the way That like he might have For a Johnny Fair play In the past It seems like From what we kind of glean It was more so A. He was the winner Of this season
[00:11:45] That happened to see You know Who would become his girlfriend Getting voted out So he wasn't happy about that And then The opinion on the season Sort of reverses Yet stays the same Where it's like Okay That is more so Me looking back On the season
[00:11:59] That I don't necessarily Want to remember Again so let's not Bring people back I also know that There were some rumors That maybe Chris had Some health issues Going on I don't know As someone who was Maybe a bit more Tuned into the pulse Of Chris Doherty
[00:12:13] Is that pulse still active? I believe that And again Far be it for me To make assumptions But just having You know For a little bit Of background here I used to post Rather incessantly About Chris In like survivor Facebook groups I don't know If you've heard of
[00:12:29] Survivor I think it's A really great Group of people I've been in For a long time And I've been In a lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups
[00:12:50] And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've
[00:13:45] Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of Groups And I've Been in A lot of beforehand that I think we sometimes conflate both tribes on Vanuatu here. I mean, look at
[00:14:00] Lopebi the same way we look at Yastor of like, oh yeah, Lopebi was divided by age. I would say it was maybe a bit more divided by like, you know, the pretty boys and then sort of the outcasts
[00:14:11] outside of it because Chris is the same age as Brady. I think he's like a couple years older than JP. Like he was not necessarily one of these old heads like some of the guys in the quote
[00:14:22] unquote fat five around him. Yeah, between JP, between Brady, between Chris, between Chad, they all have two years in between, you know, and then you see them at tribal council and there's
[00:14:31] this huge divide that we're seeing. But yeah, the divide was maybe more of like a, you know, who naturally would have clicked with who, who kind of looks like who, whoever. But it's an interesting thing to think about, you know, again, that saves Chris, that group of five,
[00:14:44] the fat five as they coined it, that saves Chris in that first tribal council, which gives him the opportunity to to run the table here. But, you know, listen, 53 is a good age. You know, we're
[00:14:53] not over 50s in the new era, but listen, we have Jerry on the ballot. She is exactly 53. He's one year older than Sean Rector, also on the ballot, only a few years older than Johnny Fairplay. So
[00:15:05] yeah, I would say definitely, especially compared to some of the other people we put on a pretty good age here. Yeah, definitely. And I hope we see it. All right. Well, let us much like Chris did
[00:15:13] on day 39 gas up Twyla Tanner here, because what's so interesting about this, this middle era of Survivor to me, which I kind of take despite the fact that it is now within like
[00:15:24] what like this, the first third of the show in retrospect are these like endgame tragic figures where we see someone come to power and then kind of fall on their own sword in the way that like
[00:15:39] their own moralistic difficulties end up undoing them. And the big three I can really think of that fill that capacity are Ian from Palau, Dreams from Fiji and Twyla, who really is a big power
[00:15:53] broker throughout the season. You know, this big flip that ends up happening at the final seven. She seems to be one of like the big turnkeys to do that, of course, because she infamously promised
[00:16:03] Amy and Leanne that she swore on her son she would never betray them. And indeed she does. And the game kind of breaks from there, both wide open. And I think for her, I think what people
[00:16:15] love and what I love about Twyla is just how unabashedly herself she is. You know, this was a very blue collar type of season. And I feel like even more than Chris Twyla really represented
[00:16:27] that in terms of like, take no bullshit, right? Like she's working with Eliza, but then she's arguing with Eliza back at camp. Twyla was somebody that didn't necessarily let sleeping dogs lie. And what's interesting that we should talk about is that Twyla has been in consideration
[00:16:41] for a number of returning seasons. You know, I believe she at least was thought of for fans versus favorites. I know she was heavily considered for heroes versus villains to the extent where I
[00:16:51] believe she might have gone out there as an alternate. I think she was briefly considered for blood versus water, which would have been amazing if she played alongside the very son whose life she swore on. So unlike Chris, it doesn't seem like they've lost Twyla's number
[00:17:05] in the intervening years. For sure. And I, you know, excuse me. You can see why. I mean, you get like Twyla, you know, at the reward challenge when they have the family visit, Twyla doesn't
[00:17:15] know how to type. And it's the fall of 2003. You know, Twyla is from another world than a lot of the folks that were playing with her are. And I think that that came out and like you have folks
[00:17:24] in all of these shows, especially now with social media who are like, you know, afraid of their perception on TV a little bit, maybe holding back just a tad. Twyla is not holding back even
[00:17:32] for a second, you know? And again, there are not people like Twyla. I mean, one of the critiques that have that has, you know, been floated on Reddit on the Internet of the new era casting
[00:17:41] is there aren't enough blue collar workers on the new era. Like this is the blue collar worker on. So you can't like all you need to do is attach a collar to the current cast photo she has. And
[00:17:52] she's quite literally blue collar. She's you know, she's on the tribe with the Naga Rote. What was that tribe? Yeah. Oh yeah. Naga Rote. No, I think it was Eskimo.
[00:18:00] Is that right? I'm sorry. I lost my super fan card. But yeah, she is. I mean, this is like and again, I knew that I think she was in fans versus favorites contention when it was going to
[00:18:09] be 20 returning players and then 10 got swapped. I knew that, you know, the blood versus water thing obviously with I believe her son's name is James. I would love a Twyla return. I would love
[00:18:21] a Twyla return. Spoiler alert for more than anybody on this cast. I think that Twyla is so fascinating in the event that 50 is like a second chance or a something something Twyla
[00:18:30] is one of the first names that I feel like I pulled from the first 10 seasons of the show of like one would go and two would be really, really fun and interesting to watch. I mean,
[00:18:38] imagine Twyla like interacting with Emily. Like imagine Twyla interacting with some of the titans of the new era. I mean, it like it tickles me. I can't believe that that could even be a
[00:18:49] possibility. So Twyla, I think I cannot say enough high about her and going in wanting to win. And then like, you know, Ian is the perfect one to one is like, you know, Twyla didn't win because of
[00:18:59] Twyla. It's like Jeff says at the beginning of season 46 is like some of you can't win because it's you. It's not it's not this group. It's you. Twyla is a great example of that more so than other
[00:19:09] people are. I feel like where she, you know, Twyla is the reason Twyla lost. It's not the jury. Like Twyla couldn't, you know, Twyla couldn't hang. But maybe with 20 years of difference,
[00:19:18] 20 years of life experience, maybe she can. Maybe it may be, you know, I don't know if she still watches. I don't know if she's that. That's my major question is to go back to an earlier point.
[00:19:25] Do you think she would want to go back? I mean, I know that I guess the fact that she wanted to sign on to those other seasons is a good sign. She also did do an episode of like Celebrity Fear
[00:19:35] Factor post Survivor with actually Johnny Fairplay where they got DQ because Johnny Fairplay just like partied all night and couldn't do the challenges. So I guess she's not necessarily one of these people to be like, yep, Survivor did not have a great experience. I'm moving on.
[00:19:50] It seems like at least the last time we checked in with her, which was some time ago, but still she she would be up for doing it depending on how everything shakes out. I think so. And again,
[00:19:58] like with 20 years of age, she would now, I believe, is 61, 62, 61 years old, which would put her right in line with some of the other people who put like Rupert, who is 60 on their
[00:20:07] legs is 60 is where a couple of years younger than Tina and Gretchen, for sure. And with the season 50, I mean the age, I mean, obviously this has been covered in the first eight episodes of this,
[00:20:16] but the age spread is going to be quite a bit. I mean, we are there is no doubt in my head we are going to get people from this era of the show. People who have been talked about in the first
[00:20:25] eight episodes of this series, including maybe this one are going to be there. You know, so I don't think 61 is too far out of contention. I think, you know, right now, you know, season 47,
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[00:22:48] perhaps speaking of someone who has as wise beyond her years, we can talk about our jury here, starting with, of course, Scout Cloud Lee. We have, of course, the two two time players of
[00:23:01] this season in Eliza and Amy. In between them is, of course, Julie Berry, a berry sandwich, if you will. We have Liam, one of the more forgotten members, I would say, of the Women's
[00:23:11] Alliance, but still seminal to this season in what her boot does. We have Chad, the first amputee to compete on Survivor. And then we have Sarge, who Chris promised he'd burn them all after he voted
[00:23:22] him out. And indeed he did. So let's start with these returnees, these people we've already seen play the game. So, Eliza, big character in both of her seasons. I mean, despite the fact that she
[00:23:37] goes mid game in Micronesia, she is the person behind, I would say, one of the most iconic lines in the series history to the point that in the Survivor 46 after show, they actually make
[00:23:48] reference to it. And I do think that helps buoy it along as well. Of course, she's also participated in the amazing race as well. So I think that I know I like I agree that I would
[00:23:59] love to see Twila back. I do think if we are picking who's the most likely person from Vanuatu to return, I think it's going to be Eliza. No doubt. I think that, you know, right now,
[00:24:08] I don't know the stats, but like the it's a effing stick clip, I think has been maybe more times on the show with the necklace, the Erika necklace. Oh, really? Oh, that'd be other than any other
[00:24:19] clip. I mean, I think that, you know, in the event that 50 is like a legends, you know, like when you're I can see the clip montage of the legends when they have the at the 49 finale,
[00:24:30] you know, I see this clip. I see that like I can see it. I do think in terms of likelihood, Eliza definitely is, you know, a contender to be on that season. You know what, in the new era,
[00:24:40] nobody has been more adaptable and given such grace to the new format changes as Eliza has. So, you know, 26 days, you know, it was day 17 after check. We don't know. You know, so listen, let's all try it. Let's all you know, maybe 20, we don't know.
[00:24:55] That's the thing. Listen, we're not anything if not a little trolley here on Rob has a podcast. And how amazing would it be that for Eliza, someone who has been perhaps at the biggest forefront of like survivors, not the same anymore. 26 days just don't hit the same way
[00:25:10] it used to be to put her in even without the day limit, like a new era as setting could be an incredible example from a TV perspective of like, be careful what you wish for.
[00:25:22] For sure. And I again, like folks who are like Eliza, who have a similar personality to Eliza, they go really far in the newer and some of them do not at all. Right. Like it's a full spectrum. So
[00:25:31] wherever Eliza ends up on that, who's to say? But I do see in a in a 50 scenario where, you know, Jeff comes in the room and he's like, we're doing legends. It's legends. And they have,
[00:25:40] you know, 20 people from the first 25 years of the show. Obviously, I do. Eliza's name, Eliza's name, you're throwing out no doubt before the before lunch, Eliza's name is thrown out. So I do think in terms of likelihood here, Hondo P, Eliza would likely be considered for a return
[00:25:55] venture, the third return venture. Yeah. So as we throw out Eliza's name before lunch, let's talk about somebody who ate this season, as they like to say in Amy. And I feel like Amy, like Chris and
[00:26:07] like Twila is another person that has kind of been forgotten to the test of time. She does come back for Micronesia, but respectively certainly has a very low key season. She has admitted on talking
[00:26:17] with T-Bird that like she probably shouldn't have come back for Micronesia, but she didn't want to pass up the opportunity, which does make sense considering that she does not return after that.
[00:26:26] But like, I cannot say enough about how big of a character Amy was in this season because she was the original of her archetype, which is this like stone cold killer. I mean, she was like the first,
[00:26:41] I believe, openly LGBTQ plus woman. Obviously, we had had Sonya that had come beforehand, but like Amy's girlfriend comes out for the loved ones visit, which was a huge deal in 2004. And the fact that Amy proved herself to be like this incredibly ruthless, at least from our perspective,
[00:26:56] sort of like the mouthpiece of this women's alliance was so unprecedented in the history of Survivor that she really was such a focal point of the season through her boot. Absolutely. I mean,
[00:27:08] I get you forget because, you know, she is she has a very quick tenure. I mean, she's there for I think she's the eighth person voted out. Yeah, she makes it exactly right before actually her and
[00:27:16] Eliza go back to back in Micronesia. So and she it's a very quiet tenure also is not allowed at it. You know, I believe the Tribal Council that she leaves in is very sad. She's very upset
[00:27:25] through it. Like it's not super fun to watch. And I admittedly haven't returned to watch her journey on Micronesia as recently as I have watched this. But when you watch this, you watch the couple
[00:27:35] episodes, especially the merge before she goes. She is she is it. She's got the thoughts. She's so good. She really, really is good. I mean, she is like she has the qualities that like Chris needs
[00:27:45] to get to the end of the game. And I feel like once Amy's gone, Chris kind of usurps those things to execute towards the end of the game. But she really is like she knew what she was doing. And
[00:27:53] it's unfortunate that Micronesia went the way that she did, maybe on Heroes versus Villains or something. She has a little bit better of a tenure and makes it a little bit further. But, you know,
[00:28:01] with all of the personalities that she's with, both fan and favorite on Micronesia, it's easy for her to get lost in the shuffle there. She just didn't have the same the same run. But I would
[00:28:09] love an Amy return. I believe Amy now lives in New Zealand. Yeah, she does. You know, she she is not of this country anymore. I believe now she's 51. So definitely of age to make a return appearance
[00:28:20] in the event that she wanted to. You know, Amy's an interesting person, especially I know this isn't what we're talking about, but in the event that Australian survivor was doing something, she's got
[00:28:29] a little bit closer of a commute. I'm skipping a jump. She's right over there. And I think that like when I've done the math in my head about the again, not what we're talking about, but the
[00:28:39] Australian survivor all star situation, the people that I'm picturing in my head that are going to go do that are people like a who are in who want to do it, who maybe aren't on the top 2040 list for
[00:28:51] all of the 700 people that have played survivor. I would love to see Amy play survivor again. And I wonder if she'd be down. I think that the opportunity is there and I think she might
[00:28:59] jump at it. I'm not sure if it's 50, but listen, it could happen. It could happen on another franchise. We don't know. Yeah, she did say I'm talking with T-Bird, which I think she did a good
[00:29:08] amount of years ago, but she did say that she would like to if given the opportunity, she just feels like she won't get the opportunity. So I don't think she would say no to it. And yeah,
[00:29:19] it would be really intriguing, especially now that the game has arguably gotten very quick and very cutthroat. If that's sort of brazen, you know, cut and dry for lack of a better term attitude
[00:29:30] that Amy had towards, you know, Lisa makes a joke about, you know, about something and Amy's like, nope, got to cut her instantly. Like I feel like that very much is an attitude rooted in something like the new era, especially something like season 46. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, she
[00:29:45] actually like Amy does give me a little bit of like Sabaya in a weird way, where like the buyer was very much like I mean, playing with her. I tweeted after she got better off, like playing
[00:29:53] with some of the Sabai felt like playing with a future survivor. Right. You know, so I got caught early. But like if Sabaya last in the game, Sabaya is stone cold. Sabaya can do what Amy did. No
[00:30:03] doubt. So the opportunity to see Amy do that again, I think it only it only gets better. It only you know, I hope it happens. The last person I want to highlight from this this jury
[00:30:13] portion is somebody who admittedly, given the Jeff of it all, I do not expect to see in contention whatsoever. But I just want to give Julie Barry her flowers, paint them on her arm, if you will,
[00:30:26] because what an incredibly underrated player, in my opinion, is she as much of a popping personality as Eliza or Amy around her? I don't think so. But if you talk about someone who like
[00:30:38] has the chops to do well in a typical survivor season, Julie was there. I remember there were moments when like her back was up against the wall when it was like her and Twila Scott nearly
[00:30:48] got swap screwed and they just like sell each other and the other guys under the river. You know, they promised them the sun and the moon. And then at the merge, Julie flips right back
[00:30:58] and betrays the guys. And so I do think one of the reasons why Chris ends up going with Twila and Scout is because like you can't let Julie in to this endgame. She was incredibly beloved by
[00:31:10] everybody. Really nice personality, but like also had a very good head on her shoulders when it comes to gamesmanship. The thing is, is that obviously she her and Jeff Probst were kicking
[00:31:20] it after her season for quite some time, and it did not necessarily end happily. And so despite the fact that I think Jeff does do a pretty good job in something like winners of war for like
[00:31:30] divorcing his own personal relationships from the job that he has to do, I think it's a little too inside to have Julie on there. But what I love to see it, of course, I think Julie really does
[00:31:42] have like and I've talked a little bit about this on like I think in my pregame interviews and on the podcast, some people just have like the winner aura and not everybody who wins. I mean,
[00:31:50] wins has a winner aura and not everybody who has the winner or a win. And I think Julie is somebody who just radiates that thing. And I think, you know, I think Julie's just winning it like I
[00:31:59] think Julie, you know, Julie may not need survivor at the moment. I would love to see her again, but I believe she works in television production, perhaps. I think she was just in I think I saw
[00:32:07] a post maybe on Reddit. People thought that she was on the traders because I think she's in Scotland. I think she took a picture of the castle. I think she's working the traders,
[00:32:13] who knows? But I think Julie is is fantastic. So, you know, maybe one day in our dreams we can all think about it. She's, you know, one of the best. And I think from this season, a total, total standout, unfortunately, extenuating circumstances would maybe prevent it from
[00:32:27] happening. But what a world we'd be in if it did. Oh, well, it's also interesting because I think and you can speak to this more so than me because you've watched the season more recently. I feel
[00:32:35] like Julie is kind of what everyone labeled Parvati as for her first couple of seasons of like, here's the woman who draws people in by flirting and then cuts their throats. I mean, we do have
[00:32:47] the infamous scene right of like Julie sunbathing next to Buck ass naked Sarge to try to get his defenses down. Yeah. And you know what? If Julie does if in a world where, you know, Jeff and
[00:32:59] Julie do not get together and then Julie ends up on fans versus favorites or Julie ends up on this mythical All-Stars two that was supposed to happen at 16 with 20 people. Julie is maybe a survivor
[00:33:08] legend. Right. Julie just got done the traders. We don't know. Yeah. It is interesting to think about the trajectory of where that could have gone. And unfortunately, Julie is like, you know, from these first ten, you know, unfortunately, after 50, a lot of these first ten season,
[00:33:19] the folks that have only been back just the one time are going to be probably forever cemented as just one time people. And I think Julie is likely falling into that bucket. I would like
[00:33:29] to while we're here. Yeah, I love Leanne. I love Leanne so much. I think Leanne is like, you know, it's so funny that Amy has like the stone cold killer ability. But Leanne is giving
[00:33:38] a little bit like Kim Spradlin. At least she like I feel like presented herself as such in the game where maybe sure, like Amy's the one in the driver's seat. But like the charm and the suave
[00:33:49] that Kim Spradlin has, I do think Leanne had that thing. And in a different world, even if, you know, they vote out Chris at seven and the women keep going, you know, if Amy gets cut, I feel like
[00:33:58] Leanne is a is a serious winner contender there. So I guess I love Leanne. Well, the reason why I think the Leanne boot is so big is because apparently and we didn't necessarily see this,
[00:34:07] but like she was kind of the key behind it all with the women's alliance. Apparently, she was kind of the unifier between these different types of fractions that once she left, there was no way for the women to come back together. And I'll always remember,
[00:34:19] like the one Leanne moment that I've committed to memory is when she's on that reward with somebody else. I can't remember, but it's like, oh, I love everybody. Me too. Or maybe I'm just
[00:34:30] drunk. Me too. Like that was a very fun delivery. And it's also, I believe, behind the very shrewd, hey, we ate a bunch of chicken wings. I'm going to hoard them with the women and then give the men
[00:34:40] the bones to just kind of gnaw on the marrow on afterwards because they don't deserve it. Yeah, I mean, great. I think that was I forget what reward that was. I think that was
[00:34:49] for the premerge, perhaps. But I yeah, I mean, she's great. I think she's great again. She will be more than likely one of the people that we just look upon in the first ten seasons
[00:34:58] of show like, oh, wouldn't it have been fun to see Leanne again? But, you know, I think I've always really, really liked her. I mean, she's famously a clip that goes viral on TikTok and
[00:35:07] reels every couple of months in the earthquake. She's the yes. Giving the confessional mid earthquake. So if you ever see if you're a newer survivor fan, you're listening to all these without ever seeing the seasons. If you ever see that clip. Sorry for the spoilers. Listen,
[00:35:18] you already made it this far. You know why? You know, the guy in the sixth sense was dead the whole time. I just spoil everything. Let's just, you know, we're over here. But, you know, Leanne
[00:35:25] is the person who's in that very famous scene where she's, you know, in the mid confessional and the earthquakes are tough. So fun fact all around. All right, well, let's move into maybe a premerge that didn't have as many shakeups. Perhaps the earthquake was the biggest one,
[00:35:37] but we can sort of talk through this is a chonky premerge, right? This is because we had 18 players and we still have a seven person jury. This is a nine person premerge. But wait until we get to
[00:35:46] Palau tomorrow. So we have Brooke, also known as Brooke Bourgeois. We have Dolly, the goat farmer or sheep farmer, I should say, who goes the way of like the Christie swing boat gets taken out.
[00:35:58] We have John P. of Solitary fame back in the day. We have Mia, victim of the first double tribal council in franchise history. Brady, the pole climber. We have Bubba, the first person to
[00:36:10] get talk to get caught doing cross tribal talk. Think about the merge. We have the aforementioned Lisa. John Kenny, the bull ride mechanic slash actor model. And then we have arguably the star
[00:36:24] of this premerge in the form of our merge boot, Rory. Yeah, I mean, Rory to speak on Rory for a little bit. You know, I think obviously next season, Palau spoilers, you have Bobby John,
[00:36:34] who's the last spot for the jury. But I do think that Rory is, you know, in conjunction with Bobby John, the last like final person of the prejury who makes a huge impact to the story for a while.
[00:36:45] Like I thought you've got Flicka in 13. You've got what's his name? Nick. Nick Stanbury. Is that right? Nick Stanbury in Panama. Yeah, I mean, the only memorable thing about him was his final words,
[00:36:55] which I think was a Steve Jobs quote. I feel like something. I think it was. Yeah. But I feel like, yeah, Rory is where is the star of the show? Like when I tell people to watch
[00:37:03] Vanuatu, like I told them to just watch the merge, but really watch like after the swap because you really get prime Rory in the Yasser Riasa Rory's great when he when he's doing the slingshot
[00:37:13] challenging wins for the women and that, you know, ends up John Kenny going home on the like Rory is absolutely great. I also I don't know the full details on this, so I don't want to speak
[00:37:22] to it too much, but I do believe during the 2020 events, you know, Rory was on a podcast where he said that he did not have the best time on Survivor Vanuatu. I don't know who were they
[00:37:32] were it was or were the culprits of making him feel not welcomed or using words that maybe he did not obviously want to hear in that environment. So if anybody from this premerge is going to go
[00:37:42] back and do a round two, I would love for it to be. I mean, Rory would be like Rory was a star in 2004. Imagine Rory now is just, you know, crazy. And I do believe I mean, I know he did a talk
[00:37:50] with T-Bone, I believe he did. I'm not sure if he realized he wanted to go, but I would love to see it. So he said to that point, actually, you mentioned earlier, he was like, I want to go back
[00:37:59] now in an environment where I feel like the deck is less stacked against me. And I don't even know if he was speaking about the diversity initiative more so than sort of what we were talking about
[00:38:07] before with Clarence and even Sean Rector to a certain extent, which is like, yeah, I don't want to play in a season anymore. That was in the early 2000s where like certain things might have flown
[00:38:16] better in terms of casting than they do now. That being said, yeah, Rory is absolutely a star in the premerge. He is, you know, one of the most kind of like. Like indignant contestants of the
[00:38:30] season as well, of course, I can never look at the word classless without thinking about his own classless delivery. So Rory was just a big part of it. And like you said, sort of like the progenitor
[00:38:41] of the Chris story, face his own little mini arc where Bubba gets voted out immediately on the swap tribe. And it's just him against like four or five women. And he's able to outlast Lisa and he's able
[00:38:53] to win his way into the merge where unfortunately he's dispatched after that. But Rory was such a fun character. You know, he's 55 right now, which is not particularly older on the spectrum. Again,
[00:39:05] these guys in the fat five were not the oldies on the tribe by comparison. I do think, you know, for whatever reason, I don't necessarily see bringing him back as much as I would like a
[00:39:18] Clarence or a Gondia in terms of like, these are the players who got booted before the jury, but like have something to prove, right? Like have something to make up for. I think Rory has
[00:39:28] a really great personality and certainly could have cut a bigger swath into the game. But I also feel like maybe it's because we got so much of him within those what, seven, eight episodes of Vanuatu that I'm not necessarily as hungry for it as maybe those other two.
[00:39:42] Absolutely. I do see that. And I do think like, again, if you just want to watch really good survivor and you want to watch like the story of just one person, like the Rory story, not to rhyme
[00:39:51] every story is very good. I think it is a very nice completed arc in terms of like I think about again, Rory is not gerrymandering, but I just I think about gerrymandering three season arc of
[00:40:01] just like, you know, hated to whatever all stars was or just this weird murky whatever to then being like loves on on Heroes vs. Villains and having that completed thing. Rory gets that in
[00:40:10] eight episodes. He has a really full story. So yeah, whether we see him on 50 likely no, but I would love to see it. And I hope that he's you know, I hope he's listening. He's great.
[00:40:19] I really love listening. Will he? Will he called this podcast classless if we don't put him on the list? Well, you know, it's funny. He almost burnt down the camp. He says that on the Vanuatu DVD
[00:40:28] commentary, which is the thing that you listen to if you did not have sex in high school. You know, he does say, you know, during the commentary episodes when I think it is the John
[00:40:39] Kenny boot, he's like, I wanted to burn that camp down. So if he knew he was going that night, he was going to burn it down, which is listen, we love that on Survivor. That's awesome.
[00:40:47] And Brandon Hans looks at it like I want to play like Rory. That guy knows what's up. Yeah, that's that's that's great. I there's to your point, Brandon, not a lot of other highlights here. I mean, this is also when we're starting to really get into the
[00:41:00] Mactor era of Survivor, which surely there has been a lot of discourse nowadays as to like, why are we only bringing on super fans? Can we cast people that don't know the show again?
[00:41:10] People, the other half of that coin are the cast that we're going to get into over the next couple of weeks where it's more so dealing with like young, attractive people that are more so maybe
[00:41:19] cast for what they're presenting on the outside and the gamesmanship they have on the inside. But I want to give a quick shout out to Bubba for rocking one of the most iconic shirts in
[00:41:29] Survivor history, shouting out Bob Barker. If Bob goes back, listen, Drew Carey, we can get the shirt made. I have a guy we can get. You know, he's not going to Bob Barker again.
[00:41:38] Excuse me. I have a fun fact about Mia. I told them in Survivor casting that I was going to try to name the merge tribe Galeo Telzana, which is our last name. I was going to just lie and say it
[00:41:49] was something it's not. And again, it is a joke that is only funny for me and would not have kills with you can play. I'll listen. Count me as your second. I would have loved that because
[00:41:59] that is the deep pull that only a certain amount of the fan base would absolutely adore. Like, it would be even better if you did it backwards. Me, you and Christine, who was the stand and watch your podcast. We would have had
[00:42:11] our group chat would have been lit. But oh my gosh, fortunately did not happen. That would be an island of fire. So this group is not, you know, it's a great group. They are probably very,
[00:42:21] you know, I'm sure they're great people. You know what, Lisa? I'd like to speak to Lisa. Lisa, if Lisa plays, Lisa is what? How old now? Sixty four. If Lisa plays a new era survivor, immediately the most loved person, I think from the pregame, from the Redmond League,
[00:42:34] from everything, Lisa would have it. And, you know, and I'm sure she had it to a degree in 2004 also. But Lisa is like the kind of person that I mean, I'm, you know, very active.
[00:42:43] I see all the tweets in this survivor community. We would we would all be obsessed with Lisa. I say that not knowing what his lease has been up to lately. I'm not I'm not co-signing that
[00:42:54] if it's not great. But right now, I don't know. And it's great. Yeah. I mean, Lisa, also the winner of Rob's, I think the moniker behind his TOS award, right? For like the player
[00:43:03] he will remember the least on the season for whatever reason that is Lisa Kiefer. But yeah, I enjoyed Lisa presence as well. She was a little in over her head, I think, in terms of, again,
[00:43:13] being up against the women that she was a part of. But at the same time, I think that was just a very specific set of circumstances. Is is Lisa more? I mean, is Lisa less memorable than Brady? I feel
[00:43:25] like that. Yeah. I mean, Brady did climb the pole. He climbed the pole, you know, which I would say, you know, Brady climbed a pole on Islands of Fire. But I feel like on Fire Island, you're
[00:43:35] dancing around different types of poles. And you or I is not getting that invite. Maybe perhaps. Happy Pride, everybody. Happy Pride. Here we are. But listen, and what a group. I mean,
[00:43:46] I think that like, you know, they don't want you really like again, we're looking at the first four five boots right now of like you can watch the premiere. The premiere is fantastic. They came
[00:43:54] here. It's very fun. They did watch Rook get booted and then you can skip like two, three and four jump in on episode five jump. You know, it really is. You'll love it. But you can kind of
[00:44:04] over these couple of days. Very interesting. Again, just like is the swing vote can make the decision. We all just vote on Dolly. I think that's like it's a fun two episode arc.
[00:44:12] And I think it was a nice precursor to again, like kind of the hot mess tribe that was the women of being able to unite for a certain portion of time, but be so so invariably cracked in so many
[00:44:22] terms at the center of it. Well, Brandon, time has come. So we've done a lot of I think maybe more so than any of our previous seasons, like definitive pros and cons to these people on our
[00:44:35] short list. Because again, given the reputation behind Vanuatu and its players, I would not say there are really a lot of slam dunks in particular when it comes to just thinking about the meta of
[00:44:47] it all. So this is really going to come down to I think, like, how much are we leaning into the wish part of wishlist? I think the one thing we can agree upon, as I mentioned before, you know,
[00:44:56] since I'm maintaining mandating my own quota here of at least one person per season, Eliza is that guarantee from the season? Yeah, there are on there. Absolutely. I mean, it makes sense. Fully makes sense again. You know, whether Eliza is playing on season 50 clips of Eliza are
[00:45:13] going to be on season 50. No doubt. You know, so if that's not an indicator of who from this season would likely become a player, I don't know what it so yeah. I didn't realize she only played the
[00:45:22] game at 21. So she's obviously 41 now, which is compared to, again, the group that we're bringing in up to this point. She is the youngest person I believe who has been put on the list. I think
[00:45:31] Tracy Hughes Wolf got voted out on day 21. If that's OK, good. Now I remember I'm like, Jake, I can only remember things if you reference the day in Survivor Micronesia. Yeah, listen, are we all all right? So so let's talk about some other people, Brandon. Why don't you
[00:45:46] offer somebody up that we can discuss? I mean, again, is it a long shot? Certainly. But would I like to see Chris come back more than maybe any other? I could I could cry more than
[00:45:57] any other person that's been on Survivor in the last five years. Yes. I mean, it is. It would be so much fun for me. And again, I don't know how a new era cast reacts to Chris. I don't know how
[00:46:08] the viewing audience reacts to Chris. I mean, it doesn't seem like it was like a slam dunk last time, especially. Oh, you have Tom who wins the season after who is like universally beloved.
[00:46:19] Chris was not warranted that same thing. Right. But what I love to see it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I love this. Oh, my God. I mean, it's like there's genuinely and this is not me speaking
[00:46:28] in hyperbole, which I do often. I do not think there is a single person in Survivor I would like to see for a round two than Chris. So my nomination is Chris. I'll accept the nomination. Look,
[00:46:38] is it wishful thinking? I would say so. But look, I think if you're comparing him to like a Richard Hatch in terms of, OK, is poison will never be brought back. I think it's a much
[00:46:48] milder form of poison. I think it's just more so like Jeff looks back a certain way upon that season and not with pride and who knows, maybe in a certain audience, in a certain room at a
[00:46:58] certain time you talk about before lunch, like maybe he could be convinced of. Yeah, we forget that this guy was wheeling and dealing so, so hard. It could be fun bringing back into like this
[00:47:09] hyper gaming new era on the show. So I want to throw him on there if for no other reason than to like see how he would do in a poll as well, because I believe it was maybe 10 years ago,
[00:47:19] Rob did a poll of like who are the best Survivor players. Chris already came in in the top 20, which is quite surprising. Yeah. Yeah. For somebody who, again, has been out of the Survivor
[00:47:29] lexicon like again, and this isn't a guy who does podcasts. This isn't a guy that anybody in this world hears from, right? Like for him to still have permeated a top 20 of a list like that of
[00:47:39] best players ever. I mean, that's it's a testament to him and it's a testament to how good he is. And again, is he good in 2025? Who knows? But let's see. I'm ready to see it. So the other
[00:47:51] spot that I'm thinking about is honestly between Twyla and Amy. I feel like I know where you lean if I would ask you to pick here, but give me your candidate here. So I mean, I think here and I
[00:48:04] again, I think Amy is fantastic. Amy had done around to obviously could have been more ideal in terms of longevity or even more of an impact overall in the season. Twyla's got I think Twyla
[00:48:15] has got stuff in the tank. I think Twyla is I think Twyla is also an easier yes. I want I'm sure Amy would go. But I think Twyla you know Twyla's had it offered and then pull back and
[00:48:26] then offered and then pull back, you know, like and I mean, I again, I've not been asked back yet. I mean, 50. OK, but I know. Brandon, wait like nine weeks until we get to 45.
[00:48:38] God, but I know like just having talked to folks and having read folks, you know, their testimonials, getting that call and then not go. Yeah. And it doesn't matter how far you
[00:48:48] go in the season or how far you go in the casting process, rather. So Twyla's got gas in the tank if we want Twyla unless nobody wants Twyla more than me. I mean, I really I think it would be so
[00:49:01] much fun, I think. And again, in a in a different vein, I think I'm pretty confident in the way that like people wouldn't react super kindly to Chris maybe in twenty twenty four. I do not think
[00:49:11] that about Twyla. I think Twyla comes in. I think Twyla is a hit. I mean, I think I think especially now with just the way that the world has changed in terms of like the viewing audience has changed.
[00:49:20] I think Twyla is a slam dunk. You put her on there, whether she's there for three days or 26, like she's it's going to be fun. Yeah. So the big question I have is I would love to put Twyla
[00:49:31] on the list. I think the better question is, like, listen, the three has been a suggestion at best. We brought back four for Borneo. We bought back four from our cases. I think the larger question
[00:49:43] that I'm really mulling over is, is there enough to put Amy on the list? Because I do think to your point, she's been away for a while. And I think unlike Eliza, I don't know like how much
[00:49:55] staying power there has been in terms of the memories of survivor history. I do see your point that maybe just from a way to save airfare, she might be more likely to appear on a you than
[00:50:05] 50. But are there enough legs there, in your opinion, to put Amy on the list? Well, you know, it's interesting as you think about, again, what I had said about Jeff and this this 50 is a
[00:50:16] celebration of the first 25 years of the show. You know, if you look in terms of like, if you call it again, you wouldn't call it this because it's a dumb name, but like survivor, like impact,
[00:50:23] like who had an impact on the lexicon game changers? Game change. They should do that. It sounds great. I would make some edits to the cast. But I think that Amy is like for the time
[00:50:34] that she was on. I mean, again, first LGBT woman on Survivor first. You know, I believe this is covered in Santa Watts, too. And I'm sure I think Amy talked about on The Pride of Spoken, like
[00:50:42] they don't show her and her girlfriend kissing. They show them hugging and they cut. And it's a very noticeable cut. And then they're not together. You know, like I think that Amy represents
[00:50:51] something in the survivor world that is the first is a is she's a Mount Rushmore of something. And I do see again, if Survivor 50 is this huge celebration of these impactful people on the
[00:51:01] show, there is a case to be made for Amy. Certainly. OK, you've convinced me. I think you also talking about, to your point, the legacy and especially now more than ever, I think celebrating, you know, sexuality and all those different types of stories, too,
[00:51:15] between the winds of Jam Jam and Kenzie. I think it could make sense to maybe bring on somebody that did break so many barriers for that on Survivor. So, listen, I'm good to put Amy
[00:51:26] through here. This again, Vanuatu is a very fun cast, you know, again, especially the post merge group. So I'm more than happy to put four on here. I did have a random spare question, Brandon.
[00:51:37] I want to get your thoughts on now. Forgive me if I'm going to reopen Pandora's box here, but I don't know if you know this. Kelly Goldsmith, who was on Survivor Africa, was responsible for casting Survivor Vanuatu released, casting like a few people on it,
[00:51:51] including the aforementioned Amy. We chose to leave her left. We chose to leave her left her off the ballot for Survivor Africa. We feel like maybe it was a bit too much inside with
[00:52:00] the casting stuff I have in the interim realized that she has come close to getting cast, whether it was all stars, apparently blood versus water. She just needed somebody
[00:52:10] to to be on with her. I don't want to go back on what Jason Reed said, but I'd love a second opinion here because I've certainly been up and I think it over as the like, OK, should I add a
[00:52:21] fourth for Africa and put her on alongside Lex Clarence and T-Bird? If there's one thing I love in this world, it's a survivor named Kelly who's graduated from Yale. I'm a big fan of that variety.
[00:52:33] I know Kelly Goldsmith fits all those criteria. You know, I'm with it. And again, I think that what's I love hearing the stories about like again, I watched all stars at 11. I've watched
[00:52:42] it a couple of times since like the almost on all stars is so fun for me to think about. And Kelly Goldsmith was, again, a leading name who just ended up not going, I think, was there
[00:52:51] on location and maybe or yeah, she is. She well, she apparently like was told. And again, I'm finding all this out after the fact. So maybe this is sort of inform my opinion that she
[00:53:00] basically like was told she was going to be on and like quit her job and everything got flown. And it was at the airport, I think, and then was told like, no, I think it was either she
[00:53:09] and or Jenna was going to be on. And so she wasn't. And the rumor is that she was kind of offered this this casting spot in season nine as kind of like a mea culpa. Again, I think there's there might be
[00:53:20] a chance that she is too inside. But again, like this is very much pre-ten and bomb. So like it was only for one season. I think Kelly, we didn't talk about this in Africa, but like could have a
[00:53:29] lot of potential as someone who is intelligent and snarky to you as well. And so it seems like she said she would be down. She said as long as it worked out schedule wise and that she learned how
[00:53:41] to swim ahead of time, then she would do it. So listen, I'm happy to continue to just break every rule in the book and maybe retroactively put Kelly on her because this would be probably the last
[00:53:52] time I'd be able to bring her up in conversation. Yeah, again, like I forget who I made the point about, but like some people are going to be forever lost to the first ten seasons of the show, you
[00:54:01] know, and and and definitively there are people that will not be right. There are people that will be there from those ten seasons, maybe one time, maybe two times. Who knows? And this is if this
[00:54:10] is the chance to get Kelly on the ballot, get Kelly on the ballot. All right. So there we go. Yeah, it's a first for the wish list. We've actually technically added five people to the
[00:54:19] ballot here. We have Chris Doherty, Twyla Tanner, Eliza Orleans, Amy Cusick and back in the days of Africa, Kelly Goldsmith. Last thing I want to do, Brandon, is assign a wild card here. Of course,
[00:54:31] we have so many other random reality shows out there now. JP technically was ahead of this for me by being on the short lived Fox program Solitary. But if there's another member of the Vanuatu cast
[00:54:42] that you would want to see on another type of show instead of Survivor, what would it be? Now, I said my answer is Leanne, but I don't know what I want to see Leanne do.
[00:54:52] Like I think Rory on the Traders is hysterical. Maybe we do that. I don't know. I really, really like Leanne. And again, I don't think Survivor is maybe happening at some point.
[00:55:01] But if she were, you know, they have so many shows now. There's so many shows that are casting people from wherever, you know, like Solitary ahead of its time, randomly grabbing JP. You know, who knows
[00:55:11] if we don't see Leanne pop up on something? I think she's you know, I think she's around. I've never interfaced with her, but I see her post stuff like I think she has, you know, maybe she's in the
[00:55:20] world at some capacity. So what does she do for a living? I also think Leanne Slaby. What is she? What is she up to? I think that she's in television production, but I could be wrong also. I know.
[00:55:30] I think she's somewhere in that in that world. So maybe competing is out of the question for you know, for Leanne Slaby. But, you know, I really again watching it when I was 11 to watching
[00:55:41] it many times since then. I really, really liked Leanne and whether that's just Leanne just comes and hangs out on the podcast. Sure, I'll take that. You know, I want to see Leanne do something.
[00:55:49] And if that's interfacing with people on a thing, then I'm hell yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to say she's talking to her quarantine questionnaire about she had been doing commercials and got
[00:55:59] the acting bug. And since I basically had to put my life to go on the show, there seemed to be no better time. She talked about running a marathon. So because I would think otherwise, like maybe
[00:56:09] she's on some of these like specialized career shows, you know, like a like a tough as nails. Maybe that's going along with the blue collar thing. But that's not Leanne necessarily.
[00:56:17] Yeah, I mean, but hey, listen, I mean, if she's acting, maybe we bring back who done it. Where's the who done it vehicle? You know, maybe she's a person who is on who done it as an actor.
[00:56:26] You know, we don't know. All right. Well, Brandon, tomorrow it is time to go to battle as we will pick our soldiers in the fight on this short list as we go to survivor Palau.
[00:56:40] To your point, people were ready in the moment to move on to Vanuatu. And in the moment, Palau was considered one of the most epic seasons due to the decimation of Ulong due
[00:56:48] to the domination of Tom Westman. But who amongst this cast will come back for a second, a third, maybe even a fourth time? We shall see as we will close out week two of the Survivor 50
[00:57:02] wish list series tomorrow with Haley Strong covering a survivor. Palau should be a really fun time. I always want to ask my guest, Brandon, who on your shortlist would you have from now if you could help it? Karen, Karen and the don't even do the podcast to do.
[00:57:16] Plenty about Leanne. I hear she's a very good actress. Oh, my God. I think Karen is is so good. If I could have, you know, I just talked to such and I'm I'm I'm retracting my hyperbole about Chris
[00:57:27] put Karen on every season of the show that makes one of us. But I'll let my current opinions be known tomorrow as I talk with Haley, of course, make sure you don't miss a second of
[00:57:37] this series podcast drop six a.m. Eastern every weekday at Rob has a website that comes last survivor feed and on YouTube at 10 a.m. every morning at Rob has a website dot com slash
[00:57:46] YouTube. Of course, I know you're going to be letting us know your thoughts on the people that we picked now from multiple seasons. Brandon, anything you want to plug right now? No, go listen to go listen to Stan and watch who, if you haven't listened to stand
[00:57:58] on Christine of the Bitter Jurors podcast. Yeah, a whole every episode recap of Santa watch. I think in twenty twenty two, I listened to it when it was out. And I think that she interviewed a couple of people. I think she interviewed Eliza, maybe one or two more.
[00:58:11] Go listen to it. It's fantastic. Yeah, and I do believe, Brandon, I think you shouted out stand a lot to in my interview that I did when you were talking about how you're like that stand
[00:58:20] of edge of extinction, basically. Yeah, I don't know who's doing the edge of extinction. One of this, but I'll get in contact with that. Yes, I am. Yeah. But listen, you said to watch you is
[00:58:29] fantastic. Christine is fantastic. It's really, really good. If you're looking to watch a season throughout the summer again, you can skip four episodes. I'm telling you to skip four episodes
[00:58:37] of this. Like it's not a heavy let watch and watch you and then accompany it with a very nice podcast. All right. Well, tomorrow we move on from Vanuatu as we check out who from Palau
[00:58:47] is going to make our final ballot. Thank you all so much for listening, Brandon. Thank you so much for coming on until tomorrow, everybody. Take care. Bye bye. Hello, it is Ryan and I was on a flight the other day playing one of my favorite social
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