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[00:02:00] Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 Wishlist podcast, an off-season series where we are determining who could and should come back for Survivor 50 on the Horizon. Week two of this grand experiment has officially begun.
[00:02:33] My name is Mike Bloom and we are here traveling down the Amazon River to talk about the sixth season of Survivor. Survivor's first battle of the sexes and one that features a very special person when it comes to RHAP.
[00:02:51] But of course I am not alone here. I'm joined of course every weekday by another Survivor mind in the RHAP community.
[00:02:58] And I am so over the moon to be joined by someone whose mind is as sharp as math machete, whose presence is as sweet as chocolate and peanut butter.
[00:03:08] She is of course an absolute Survivor connoisseur, coverer of all of our international Survivor coverage, a co-host of mine on the new Summer of Survivor off-season series, and my best friend. It is of course the great Shannon Guss. Shannon, how are you?
[00:03:23] Mike, I'm great. I thought you were going to say the Jenna to your Heidi, but I will not be taking my clothes off for anything on this podcast. I feel like I am the Heidi to your Jenna in that I am so much stupider than you.
[00:03:35] Is that true? Is that? Well, I mean, anyways, but I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't really identify much with Heidi or Jenna, but I'd have to really give thought to which one is which for us.
[00:03:46] I mean, yeah, I can see. I think you probably are. This is a stupid... I did get bit by a spider last year and my kneecap did not grow to like the size of a hop cap, but I did get a noticeable affliction on me.
[00:03:59] So I guess that's I'm just getting ever closer. I did briefly marry a Phillies pitcher for a period of time that we don't necessarily talk about. So I'm basically Heidi in a podcaster form.
[00:04:11] That's what people say about you all the time. Well, you said there was someone really special for us to talk about. And I agree. I feel like, you know, obviously the elephant in the room.
[00:04:20] No, we're not at Gabon where we're here, but and there's not really elephants in the Amazon, but there's one in the room about the really special person for us to talk about on this podcast.
[00:04:28] Someone who has had, you know, could have a bigger impact probably on Survivor proper into into the future of of Survivor. Someone who I think was really ahead of their time from a strategic perspective. Someone I'm a huge fan of as well.
[00:04:40] I'm really, really excited to talk about Dina Bennett. Yes, absolutely. Dina is really a game changer in her own way. Unfortunately, one of my visors is in the wash. Otherwise, I would be wearing it in her.
[00:04:54] You know, it has a lot of wear and tear to it. Otherwise, I'd be wearing it in or her on or no. Of course, we are going to be talking about the man, the myth, the legend, Rob Cicernino, but also 15 other players in Survivor.
[00:05:06] The Amazon Survivor, the Amazon is a very beloved season to me. I think a lot of people, including myself, cite this and Pearl Island as like two of the best back to back seasons ever.
[00:05:18] Of course, it does have this invigorated concept of the Battle of the Sectors and a casting kind of reflects that as well. I think especially in retrospect, they really lean towards like, for lack of a better term, young, horny people to basically a full bloom season of Survivor.
[00:05:34] No wonder you love it. I mean, essentially, the premerge is a lot of footage of usually the men, but having these people ogle not Lindsay Ogle, the opposite sex from afar. And so it's clear they were going for that type of vibe to that point.
[00:05:48] I can understand why maybe some people in retrospect feel it hasn't necessarily aged well. And certainly Dalton Ross felt that way when he rewatched the season. But for many reasons, Shannon, it is a season near and dear to my heart.
[00:06:00] Yeah, I mean, you watch it the same way you watch other things from 2003 like Friends, you know, that's still things we are like, you know. And we move on and we look back at that time and we think, was that really it?
[00:06:12] Was that 20 years ago? And Survivor the Amazon is part of that. It's nostalgic and in some ways kind of problematic, but it is an incredible season. And I actually am really excited to talk about Dina, by the way, big Dina fangirl.
[00:06:24] But yes, Rob, obviously that's his origin story. That's his main mark on Survivor history.
[00:06:29] So I feel like Survivor the Amazon has such an interesting place in like the Survivor zeitgeist where like for super fans, I feel like it's really important for a couple of reasons because it's like great, but niche.
[00:06:40] So like it's very, very good. But like so yeah, so super fans love it. And obviously because of Rob's impact, which I do think is important for the whole of the fandom, not just RHAP.
[00:06:49] I think Rob's so important, but for casual fans, it's very much been like lost to time because only Rob and Jenna have come back. It doesn't exactly take them very far in the all stars.
[00:06:58] Like even for me, I recommend it as like the top tier season in the top tier of seasons you should watch.
[00:07:03] But if like they're going to kind of skip it, like, you know, it doesn't have a big impact on the rest of the series strategically, but not in the characters.
[00:07:11] So it has been lost to like casual time compared to like Pearl Island, which came just after it, which is so monumental to like all of Survivor history. So it's very, it's very split from that perspective.
[00:07:21] But I do think for super fans, it's like it's the hidden gem that we have from a Rob perspective and from a quality perspective. So yeah, I'm excited to talk about it.
[00:07:29] Yeah, because this is what makes this experiment so fun and so vague is that it all depends on what you're casting for for a prospective season 50.
[00:07:39] Sometimes we are just going to put out and out legends back for their umpteenth time because, hey, they're sort of the faces of the franchise.
[00:07:47] Sometimes we're going to bring back people who were like historically relevant to the franchise, especially in the moment, and have maybe been forgotten in the annals of time.
[00:07:55] Sometimes it might be like second chance candidates, you know, people that weren't given that other opportunity to shine or people that have been on our wish list, if you will, for years upon years at this point.
[00:08:07] So I won't go through the whole rigmarole as to what this involves. If you haven't checked out the first week, please do. We have had five very fantastic podcasts so far, one ninth of the way through this entire project. Yeah, exactly.
[00:08:21] But here we are in Survivor the Amazon. So look, I mean, let's start with the obvious, shall we? The obvious non-Dina subject here. I really love Dina. We got to talk about Rob. We got to talk about Rob Sesternino himself.
[00:08:38] Yeah. Is he keeping up with the show or? I don't know, actually. He kind of has like permitted himself away. He's sort of the JD Salinger of the Survivor fan base. Incredibly inaccessible. So here's the thing. I did ask Rob.
[00:08:53] I said, hey, do you want to be included? Oh, no, screw. I don't care what he wants. Why do you do that? I decide what I'm on this podcast. So here's the thing. He did tell me, no, it wouldn't be fair for me to be on my own.
[00:09:09] Shut up, Rob. But here's the thing. When I came onto this podcast series, I had two rules in one podcast. Rob Sesternino expressly broke both rules that I had. So I feel like turnabout is fair play, my friend.
[00:09:27] If you have a rule, why don't I break it too? You know, dish it back to you here. So that being said, Rob is on the ballot. Unquestionably, this man is going to be on. I think the more interesting conversation, Shannon,
[00:09:41] is going to be how he's going to do on the show. Now, I will. I know Rob's probably listening right now. Shannon, can you do me a favor and start reciting every lyric of Hamilton from the beginning? How does a bastard orphan son of a whore.
[00:09:55] Okay, he's not listening anymore. Great. Okay, let's now we can really like talk to you here because Rob's probably tuned out at this point. How do you think Rob would do on Survivor 50? I think he'd do really well. I mean, firstly, I decide if he's on.
[00:10:08] Okay, I might not choose him, but Rob doesn't decide and he doesn't get immediate entry. But I do think if we do choose him and then the fans vote him in, he has to do it if he's asked.
[00:10:16] Oh, I like that a lot of literally the entirety of the Survivor community supports you. You have no reason not to say no. I mean, I know besides the answer he gave me about this poll, I believe his like official on the record response was that he would
[00:10:29] definitely consider it if he was asked, but he believes he doesn't have a chance of getting asked. I think to your point, he feels like, oh, I'm so long ago. But I think what is interesting and I want to talk about this with at
[00:10:41] least another player as well from the season is that I think it's less about like, oh, what happened the last time you were there or how long ago you played and more so the story of how monumental Rob has been
[00:10:53] to the concept of Survivor coverage and specifically Survivor media for the past near 15 years and how much that would really buoy a narrative to bring him back on. Yeah, I really have so much to say about Rob. So I want to organize my thoughts.
[00:11:07] If it's not, it's not new era. So what's the theme that they're going with? Is it legends? Legends? If it's something really broad, which is how it sounds because again, if you're waiting into the new era without making it new era specific, you've made it quite.
[00:11:20] They are near the Pacific. Yeah, you've made it quite. You've made it broad because the newer is so separate from the older, if that makes sense. So if you have someone like really, really old school with the new era,
[00:11:29] if you have multi-time plays with the new era for me, that becomes quite varied who ties that all together. Rob Sestanino. He is old school obviously in the game, but he encompasses all of the newest that we've gotten,
[00:11:42] all of the most modern tenets of the fan base in terms of like the super fan fandom and the culture. He kind of covers it all and ties it all together. He's such an important unifying factor.
[00:11:52] And imagine the mind you could blow in showing them that this world exists, this world of super fandom, which would be great for the podcast by the way, to just do great advertising on CBS. Do you think they let him wear RHAP merch on the show?
[00:12:06] I think that that should be part of the contract. And I don't see why not. Part of his rider. Those are his green M&Ms. This is, yeah, this is a great one. So he can do that. I am wearing the newest piece in the RHAP shop,
[00:12:19] which is the new era's tour t-shirt, which features Rob through the years, including his survivor, the Amazon photo. Yeah. So I feel like he is, as you said, such a great story and it defines Survivor 50 for me. Like 50 seasons of the show, 26,
[00:12:38] annoyingly as you spoke about with the years now, 26 years of Survivor. What is it? It's a pop cultural phenomenon. It's something that people bond over to the point where they marry each other and have children.
[00:12:47] It is something to the point where look at our friendship that has formed over it. It crosses oceans. And it's beyond anything that most of the people watching the show even know. And Rob represents that and he encompasses all of it that you could have
[00:13:01] all these different types of people and Rob would fit in with all of them. And I can't think unify them. So from a story perspective, it makes sense from a casting perspective. It makes so much sense. How would Rob do? I think well, because why?
[00:13:12] Because Survivor players love clout and what does Rob bring? A platform. So if you vote him out first, he could do some damage. Firstly, the fan base. I mean, I think some of the 2025 at the time, you have to think about how people will react to you.
[00:13:28] We would react negatively and we would cyber bully as against cyber bullying as I've been, I would be on it. And that would be them at their own funeral. So that's true. You recent Survivor CBS, Instagram post. I will not be kind if you vote on my friend,
[00:13:41] which is actually how I saw many, many of the fans literally responding. They told me to just consider being kind. Okay. They didn't say be kind, which everyone should consider by the way. But if you take Rob out no more kindness, but in genuine, genuinely,
[00:13:54] I think people like no Rob feel friendly with Rob. Like they might come back to bite him later on, but in terms of like taking him out early, I think he has the connections. And yeah, I think that he would go pretty well.
[00:14:05] And I think the main thing is that he couldn't podcast about the season and it might be more important for Rob to podcast why we 50 than to be on it for his business. But if they could let him podcast about it,
[00:14:18] considering all these players right now are on Twitter and wherever, and on cameos doing stuff, Rob's could be a much more official version of that. If they're allowing this, they should be allowing that.
[00:14:28] And I think that he could play and maybe do a couple of weekly podcasts and CBS could allow it. And that's my dream. And that's what I have. Yeah. So I agree. I mean, from a survivor perspective, it's a little unprecedented.
[00:14:38] I know for example, like Tyson, when he was on the challenge USA was doing. Right now, but Wendell's doing the goat Johnny bananas, of course does podcast while he's doing the challenge. I think what it comes down to is like a level of trust.
[00:14:52] And I would hope that CBS and Rob have enough of a working relationship that like he would be able to know, okay, I know I'm not. I'm do you think I'm going to be the one to explicitly spoil the season that
[00:15:04] I am a part of while I'm podcasting? He's a professional. Now the other side of that could be CBS saying like he's too inside at this point. Then again, talk to the other side of my mouth.
[00:15:14] We've had people like Harvard play after being a part of the media. We've had people like Andrea play after being a part of the media. So it's not completely out of the question. I do think that for Rob, even if he wasn't allowed to podcast,
[00:15:29] I do think that it would draw so many eyes to the podcast, even if he was voted out early on. Because we also need to remember like we operate in a pretty small community within like the millions of people that watch Survivor overall from the
[00:15:43] checking I do it with the Facebook casuals. There is obviously a wide swath of fandom out there that doesn't even know what our HAP is. And so I think if you talk about good business decisions, this would be a great way to like attract attention to this.
[00:15:59] I don't think it would necessarily have people being like, Oh, this guy was voted out third. Some legend. He is I'm not listening to his podcast whatsoever. Like I've already happened so much worse than it did. In terms of longevity though,
[00:16:14] I do agree that I think he would absolutely be well connected enough. He really is. And this I think reference will be lost on you, Shannon. He really is the principal building of the Survivor community and that he was
[00:16:25] around in the older generation and he sticks around for the newer generation saved by the bell and really just sort of connects everything by being that main constant throughout. I think you'd have enough connections, rather old school or new school to take them into, you know,
[00:16:41] the post merge portion from then on. From then on, I'm not sure because then I think that person ability immediately makes him a huge target and maybe he'd be able to slip through by proxy of like, Hey,
[00:16:54] if we're doing another Survivor 46 of all these big targets are taking each other out. And like maybe Rob is then going to slip through by yes being considered a jury threat, but not someone that's a jury threat. We've taken it far. Like to your point,
[00:17:08] is anyone going to vote against him in the final three? If it's like, well, then I can no longer be on the podcast. Oh, now I was talking about how we do in a final travel council. Wow. Rob, we want to be on it now.
[00:17:17] He's at a final travel council. Is he winning? I think you want, I think he wants to retire and then no more podcasts. So maybe we can't win. No, then he can then, then, then he can give it to us.
[00:17:27] If he goes on 50, you know, you're leaving the keys with, you got a bunch of people. Hello. It's mainly that I just, I just want to take over. That will be our time. Rob, how does a basket often Mike? That's when we're going to take over. Yeah, exactly.
[00:17:41] This is, this is our coup. Yeah. But yeah, then. Shannon and Mike, I involved you. So some map. No mashup mashup. Yeah, sure. Do you think that. Cause collusion is not directly allowed where you're like, I'm going to share the prize money with you.
[00:18:00] If you win, does it count? If you say, Hey, if you don't vote me out, you can be on my podcast next season. Does that count as like a little bit of bribery? Survivor contestants care that much about, yes, they do. He's going to win.
[00:18:12] No, I genuinely think if I were to predict how Rob would do, he would get through. He's genuinely friends with a lot of people. He's well connected. Maybe some of the most well-connected about, as you said, across the era, certainly. So, so the early game fine late game,
[00:18:26] that connection might come back to abide him when people use it against him to like, you know, gain his trust and blindsided, but Rob has skills. Don't forget. Maybe he'll, he'll be onto them, but let me just say,
[00:18:36] if it's you, if you're the one doing that, if you're blindsiding Rob, I will find you and I'll hurt you. Oh my God. What? I don't want them to blindside Rob. It's making me sad. We, we don't want to force him to go on the season.
[00:18:48] I'd feel terrible. Yeah, but how many people are going to be like, like, you're going to do. Yeah. Like we don't negotiate with terrorists. I'm going to gun for Rob even harder now. Oh, we'll be on them. Like anything you'll never, you know what?
[00:19:00] If you come to hurt me, you know what? I can use my million dollars to buy hired security to stave you away. I can pass the security. I am in Australia. It's like my back is a lot worse than my body.
[00:19:11] You're from a country that was founded by, uh, by prisoners. Right? So you've got that blood in you. Yeah. I love that part about history. Look, I'm going to say I'm not a threat. No, it doesn't. That's not me. I'm a pleader. I'm a beggar.
[00:19:24] Please don't vote for Rob. Please. I'm asking you nicely. Is it wise to spend three, like a quarter at this point of the 15 minute podcast on my just one person, even if it is our boss Rob? Yes, because not Boston Rob. Yes.
[00:19:40] I think there's a fair chance that now that he's on the poll that he might get voted through. If he doesn't get voted in by the way. I mean, I would almost kind of applaud the audience on the level of trollishness. Like that is a new level.
[00:19:56] No, I didn't. Rob is going to be on the thing because we've decided and you're going to vote him in and then he's going to play. But if you listen to RGP and you don't vote Robin, why are you here? What are we doing?
[00:20:07] To answer your question though. I think this is so far through five seasons. One of the most interesting cases though, of someone who we know is obviously well connected with the community. There's not a lot of what ifs of like, okay, do they catch up with the show?
[00:20:19] We obviously know this. Are they connected with the new era people? We obviously know this. So like, I think this is going to be a little less of a speculative talk and for Rob, at least more of a, okay. If he is on how would things go?
[00:20:32] Which we haven't really been able to say about any of these other five seasons of players. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's all we can speculate on because you spoke to him earlier. So the rest seems pretty concrete and I would hope people vote him in.
[00:20:46] But yeah, I think Rob, I genuinely think like, imagine Robin the confessional again. Oh, he's so lucky. Like we'd be. And please don't vote him out. Yeah. I do believe until Russell and then Boston Rob, I think Rob might've had like the record for the most confessionals in
[00:21:03] survivor history. I think he got like in the triple digits over the course of 13 episodes of the Amazon, which is saying something. Yeah. Like Rob was like good TV as much as that he's paying up, you know? But it helps. It certainly helps.
[00:21:16] No, Rob is one of the best characters in survivor history. He's one of my favorite players in survival history. I just don't think about it often because he's also my Boston friend, you know? Yeah. But yeah, like at Marianne's wedding, it was like,
[00:21:29] Oh, is the only old school player there Gabby? It's like, what about Rob? It's like, Oh Rob, you know, but like he's still, but no. Rob played too and he was great. He was great TV and we'd be so lucky to have him on.
[00:21:38] And he's, he's actually pivotal to this season as we said, because he unifies the theme and he speaks to what survivor 50 is. And that is the impact of survivor 26 years on. So it's done. Yep. We're shaking up the magic eight ball. We're saying likely.
[00:21:52] I should've brought my magic eight ball. It's in the other room. I'm really irritated at myself. That's right there. I never use it. Okay. By the way, I, I, so I was talking to Chantel about like, what are they called luxury items now?
[00:22:04] Cause we were talking about Pascal's flag. I believe they're called comfort items now, even though they don't really use them anymore. I told him like object of affection, which is a very odd. I don't think they still got it.
[00:22:12] No, they got them in co-wrong explicitly as a reward. They still get them. I think they still bring them, but they're not like given to them in the season. I'm going to bring my magic April onto summer of survivor. Yes.
[00:22:23] I mean, you're just going to be accumulating product. Carrot top by the end of this, I'm not going to make any decisions that magic eight ball, the bingo balls only balls will tell me what to do. That's very survivor. I am. That was that drive. That's all.
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[00:24:06] Mo do dot U S Well, let's start getting into the rest of the cast of Survivor the Amazon. I think by proxy, the rest of them will have us between a rock and a hard stone here. Let's start as we do with our final two.
[00:24:22] We have, of course, Jenna Maraska, the only other returnee from this season besides Rob and Matthew Von Ertfelde. And so with no offense to Matthew, Jenna is going to be the hot topic of conversation right now, because of course she was, I believe,
[00:24:40] until Fabio, the youngest winner ever crowned in the history of Survivor. Certainly I wouldn't say like a controversial win, but certainly one that kind of came out of nowhere or a bit of a surprise. If you were following the narrative,
[00:24:52] which was kind of pushing this late search by Matthew towards the end, I had a lot of negative stuff affiliated with Jenna, Christy outright calling her an evil stepsister. She still walks away with it and then walks off of All Stars for a very
[00:25:04] understandable reason to tend to her mother who dies about a week and a half later. So the Jenna return for me would be interesting more so Shannon, I think because of everything sort of like in an Ethan way, ironically enough,
[00:25:18] given the fact that they dated and raced around the world together, how much has happened in her life in the 20 years since All Stars? Yeah. Why is the picture so much bigger than Matthew? Cause she won. She won.
[00:25:30] So we, so we remember we do it in picture size. Jenna is someone I really want to put on the ballot for the reason you state mostly of like how the last 20 years gone for her. She's had a rough time. Yeah.
[00:25:43] I believe she lost her father in addition to her mother. And that was a whole thing, right? How close she was to her parents. It's really awful what she's been through and I'd love to see it. I think she, she's, you know, still watches the show.
[00:25:55] And she's one of the winners who didn't get to come back for winners at war. And I kind of think like the winners are always iconic. So that seeps into the history in a way that makes sense.
[00:26:03] The story is obvious. She won the season. Like if you don't know who she is, it's the one line she won, she won the season and then you go from there. So it would be nostalgic and I think kind of awesome.
[00:26:11] And I'd love to see what she looks like, you know, 20 years later playing survivor. So I really want to put Jenna on the ballot. Yeah. She is 43 at the moment, which is interesting.
[00:26:20] I think we've kind of done a bit of a suspension of disbelief the previous five seasons of like, so what if so and so is in their 60s and their 70s, you know, survivors an equal opportunity game.
[00:26:29] But I think due to the youth of survivor, the Amazon's casting in general, Jenna is 43, you know, Rob obviously is someone that's in his 40s as well. He's 45. So like, listen, that's on the older side of new era cast.
[00:26:44] But I think given the people that we've passed before, that is certainly putting them as a bit more of the spring chicken comparatively. Yeah, I mean, look, a lot of it was like the young hot woman compared to the old woman who were
[00:26:55] Jenna was 46. We had Joanna was 31. That's crazy to me. And she was considered an older woman. I'm 31. Let's not talk about it. Dina 35. So yeah, she come back kind of like older than that age range or in that age range, which I don't really, I don't know.
[00:27:14] I kind of feel like she's still like in my mind, Jenna still like the young hot woman even in her 40s. So that's the thing is that and that's what makes it so interesting, right?
[00:27:22] Is that I think we have this snapshot of her as the swimsuit model who washed her hair with herbal essences reward under the waterfall, who obviously took her clothes off for chocolate and peanut butter pose for Playboy, but obviously is a very different person now.
[00:27:36] So speaking towards a couple of sources outside of this. So as you mentioned, was not even contacted for winners at war, which I would say would be a bit of a nonstarter. But we did choose to bring back somebody like the Sepia who was also not contacted
[00:27:51] and did a talking with T-Bird interview the beginning of last year and said, basically, when asked if she'd come back, she's like, who are we kidding? Of course, we'd all say yes to coming back. So she is definitely keen on it.
[00:28:04] I think the question is for this one. Would the show want to do it, considering that they didn't consider her for winners at war? Well, I feel like of this cast, she should really be a contender.
[00:28:14] And I think as well, she was so robbed on all sorts of having to leave because her mother was sick and then passed away, which is such a sad story. We never got a kind of, you know, any kind of finalization to that for her survivor story.
[00:28:26] I feel like that's the kind of thing where they would bring her back now, like bringing Bruce back as an example, because he's I'm like, no, I'm not kidding. Like his story was cut short in like a tragic way that seems unfair.
[00:28:35] Like for Jenna, like a couple of episodes and she has to leave. Like I feel like they look at that now, like let's give her the chance she didn't really have. So she's on my ballot. Not to spoil, but yeah. Anything about Matthew? I mean, I imagine.
[00:28:47] You just said you wanted Mateo on. I mean, Mateo was a very different character, a very fun character and had this really great narrative, again, of sort of Frankenstein's monster where Rob brings him in as kind of sitting under his wing, being part of the chain,
[00:29:02] only for the chain to get flipped upside down when Matt throws the final immunity challenge to basically get Rob out and then he gets shut out in the final vote. I personally don't need to see him.
[00:29:14] I also don't know how he'd fit in, in like a more modern game where yes, he did do this sort of last minute cutthroat move, but pretty much otherwise he was just kind of regarded as the quote unquote creepy guy who was told what to do.
[00:29:26] Yeah, I mean, I feel like he'd be like, OK, I assume he hasn't kept up with the show. I hate to typecast, but like, OK, great, because I just learned the show. Now I can play. It's like, no, that's different now to what it became several decades ago.
[00:29:36] But not several, I guess, too. But yeah, I think that he, you know, he's like a nostalgic relic. His arc is perfect. You know, it's such a fun part of like old school Survivor history. And you don't you don't ruin that.
[00:29:51] You let sleeping dogs lie so that I feel like we've seen Matthew on Survivor. It was perfect. And I wouldn't want to progress that any further. All right, well, let's move on from the sleeping dogs to the pound here of our jury. We already talked about Rob.
[00:30:06] By the way, this is his all stars picture, I realize not his Amazon. But we have we have butch. It should all be getting like smaller and smaller. Well, then it's just going to be like a pixel. And that feels insulting to Ryan. That's pretty cheap.
[00:30:22] OK, well, we have your own formula. It's your patterns, though. But we have Rob, butch, I guess my soul sister in Heidi. We have Christie, Alex, Dina and Dave. I think the first one I want to check in on and I do not think she would say yes.
[00:30:40] But Heidi, is there any like so like casting Jenna and Heidi together? Considering how I mean, they were one of the only pairs in Survivor history, Shannon, to do a dual confessional together.
[00:30:50] Yeah. Is there anyone you can think of on the car on this car that you would want to see back? Anyone, anyone at all? I think, you know, I wouldn't have Heidi and Jenna together. That feels like a lot. We brought back this duo from season six.
[00:31:04] No one really remembers. Like you get one. And then it's the and then it's the Heidi versus Jenna. Peter and I argued about this before the podcast. He said Heidi because like Heidi was the bigger threat. She went for being the bigger threat. Right.
[00:31:14] And then Jenna was left to kind of win the game. Heidi has arguably had a more prolific life since. Yes. Not to not to disparage Ethan, but Heidi married someone more famous, a baseball player who was someone I don't know, but other people might know. Mm hmm. Yeah.
[00:31:31] And I didn't know what his first name was. So I just had to be like Hamels baseball. And I found Cole Hamels and he would be like, oh, she was married to Cole Hamels.
[00:31:38] Not a strong storyline if they did split up, which is what the Daily Mail taught me. But I still think I would choose Jenna over Heidi. I think like once you're a winner, like that is a self-fulfilling prophecy of the way you're baked into history.
[00:31:49] Like she won. So that in itself is like, again, like an easily sellable story point. And also now just more important to survive a history. And they're good characters both in their own way. Yeah. But it feels like Heidi's moved on a little bit more past the show.
[00:32:03] Jenna seems a little bit more invested and won the game. So I would go with Jenna and I wouldn't do both. Yeah. And I am also sort of already anticipating comments about what I said at the very beginning of the podcast.
[00:32:13] Like Heidi is a very funny character and that clearly played up a lot of her more obtuse statements. But I believe Jeff said that she had one of the highest IQs of the cast. So like she is an incredibly intelligent person.
[00:32:24] It just had some very fun moments of the show. Like, you know, as soon as the fourth girl and fifth girl ended up sitting on the boat, she knew instantly that it was a men versus women season.
[00:32:35] I agree, though. I think that Heidi, well, it would have maybe been fun to see her like even during a Micronesia time. Yeah, it's kind of past. She's kind of moved on with her life. And I do feel like this influencer, it seems like now.
[00:32:50] OK, so she would be at least in fighting condition. Oh, she is. She's a nutrition and all of that. Yeah. But I do feel like Jenna also has, you know, that potential of like a little bit of the Michelle on Winters of War storyline,
[00:33:00] perhaps of like people thought I shouldn't have won. Why? I want to come back and prove myself. Jenna also a bit of a game changer. People might not remember the first to ever give up individual immunity.
[00:33:11] I believe so far, besides like Burton, who already had safety, the only person to give up individual immunity and survive a tribal council. Yes. Well, in US survivor, true.
[00:33:22] But I also yeah, I feel like, again, Amazon hasn't made enough of an impact on like, again, the broader culture of Survivor. So being like the winner of the season, you don't remember, but like you get she won.
[00:33:33] It was important. Maybe you don't know about it, but it was. That's a lot more sellable than like the fifth place. Like the partner of the person who won. So Jenna won in this season and also in our choice between Jenna and Heidi, we could only have one.
[00:33:44] And then who else? I mean, Dina, let's talk about it. We can talk about we can jump to Dina if you want to. Are we doing like an order of relevant people?
[00:33:52] It doesn't necessarily matter. We can jump to Dina because I know you're chomping at the bit to discuss her. I love Dina, by the way. She's great. I love you. I love Dina Bennett. Let's have Dina on the ballot for these reasons. OK, he's great.
[00:34:05] She was like strong female archetype. She was 35. But yes, she was sold as one of the older women. It's fine. And that's listen, she's mid 50s basically right now. And by the time she get on the show.
[00:34:18] But again, we are putting people in their 70s and sometimes veering on 80 on this show. In the ballot. I'm sure she's doing great. She watches the show. I checked out a Reddit AMA went on Reddit for Dina and she watches the show.
[00:34:31] She said she probably wouldn't play, but then she was like, maybe. And I'm like, she can be convinced. Yeah, my my carnal rule with this series is basically like if you don't explicitly say no, we're going to consider you. Yeah. Dina was also ahead of her time strategically.
[00:34:44] She and Rob teamed up like they could have been a formidable duo. And then it didn't go that way for Dina and then she did not start a survivor podcast. But she was she was innovative, innovative strategically.
[00:34:55] Because if I recall correctly, like they had made this big, you know, super alliance at the merge against the Roger Coalition, which was him, Matthew and Dave. They get rid of Dave and Dina gets a little bit of big move itis.
[00:35:06] If I remember correctly, where I think she tries to turn things on to Alex. And then as a result, everyone turns on to her. Yeah, big move itis. She was ahead of her time and she was just I think she was really fun.
[00:35:17] And I think that she's like the perfect person for 2025, 2026 survivor. Like she is mother. Oh, OK. Perhaps. I mean, this will come out after we've done survivor mothers versus moms. But are you prognosticating something that the audience has already known at this point?
[00:35:35] Are you going to put her on that ballot as well? No, no, I mean, I can't think about who I'm putting on all of these ballots. Like it's just it's overwhelming. But she's a strong, smart woman, like all the time. That's someone I want to cast.
[00:35:46] And I genuinely think she is underrated. And like, is the story super sellable for Survivor 50? No. Are they going to cast her? Probably not. But it's a good casting choice. And if they want to go for like the old schoolers who got missed,
[00:35:59] it's unfortunate that Amazon is season six because it doesn't have like the seasons like one through two of like they were really like right. Like, oh, all eyes, all eyes were on the foundation. Yeah. And they were like part of that like pop cultural moment.
[00:36:10] But I still think she should be on the ballot. And I don't think that you'll get through on the vote. But I will be rooting for her. Please vote for Dina, please. All right. Well, we'll put a pin on this.
[00:36:19] You know, I think you made a very good series of arguments. So I think we can certainly like I think not to put the carpet for the horse, but I do think that we have Jenna and Rob locked onto our ballot.
[00:36:28] And I think we can sort of entertain if there's anybody else. I think you put it up. You put in a good argument for Dina. I'll touch upon a couple of other people here. I mean, let's dote upon the person that she tries to gun for who robbed
[00:36:41] and guns for in the very next vote, which is, again, a pretty game changing moment in survivor history as much as like the fall of the road to four is a big thing. And Rob said he was outwardly inspired by it.
[00:36:51] Rob was really one of the first people to like individually flip from Alliance to Alliance, which again, becomes something that inspires Johnny Fairplay and a lot of players. Subsequently, any thoughts on Alex? Yeah. Look, Alex was very important to the season.
[00:37:06] You know, one of the people that makes the season fun and what it is. And structurally his blind side is massive as well. But I feel like Alex has kind of missed his time in the way that Amazon was forgotten about.
[00:37:17] Like had Amazon been at a different time right before a fan versus favorite, like maybe he's like the hot guy who gets into the next season. But even if it had been a bit earlier and there were like a few people coming
[00:37:26] back onto all stars from Amazon, that could have been his time. But now that it's 20 years late and he hasn't come back, like I feel that that's over. Yeah. Yeah. And also certainly at the time, like he was, I think a triathlon coach as well.
[00:37:42] So he was one of the more athletic people out there. There also could have been a fun second chance narrative where the reason why he goes out is because he basically tells Rob like, yeah, you're going to go out in fourth place when our hot.
[00:37:54] He was going to vote for him. That could have gone anyway. But yeah. Yeah. So I think it could have been fun to be like, all right, I got to learn from my mistakes. I mean, listen, he's involved in the survivor community,
[00:38:05] but in a very different way and that he encounters survivor every day. And that I don't think people know this, but he is part of, I want to say one of the only successful cross tribal or cross seasonal relationships that we've had in survivor history where
[00:38:21] he did the other one. Well, listen, sorry, David Murphy and Carolina. We'll get to that, I guess, in Redemption Island. But Alex is married to Kim Powers, the sixth place finisher from survivor Africa. Yeah. And did she get in on the vote? No, she did not.
[00:38:35] Oh, unfortunate for the Bell Powers household. Zero for two. But yeah. I mean, maybe if there was a blood versus water, that was all returnees. I don't know how you feasibly do that because there's only a handful of them that are related to each other. What just what?
[00:38:49] 20 people. I don't, I think you'd have to do like 16 because you would have some of the married couples, but then you'd have to do like, I guess relatives from the first blood versus water coming back. Yeah, you would do all the blood, but that doesn't count though.
[00:39:00] That is, that's not cool. Why was he? You could do Nina, but that's also a blood versus water. And she's global. No, you'd really struggle. You'd really struggle. I will say though. You'd have to get Russell Hans back on. Oh boy. All right. Well then that's the,
[00:39:15] that concept is just cut loose at that point. Like the machete that hit Alex in the face. I've also say, I think Alex presence also plays even better in retrospect concerning that I believe wasn't he the one that was like,
[00:39:24] really the most vocally against Rogers anti-gay marriage argument in the moment, which was like very progressive for 2003. Yeah. Well he, people would, I think people would like Alex, but his time is done unfortunately. So yeah. Well talking about someone who is a game changer and in the rarefied
[00:39:42] era of survivor contestants, I do want to mention Christie because of course Christie first deaf contestant in survivor is going to pave the way for someone like Nina and survivor world to pardon. I would even argue someone like Matt from last season of big brother in
[00:39:57] terms of showcasing yes. The increased difficulty in playing a game like this with a handicap, but being able to prevail perhaps in spite or even because of it. What do you think Shannon has Christie stood the test of time to warrant a return appearance?
[00:40:13] No, I don't think so. I feel like Christie again, great part of that season really contributes to what makes, what makes Amazon great much like Alex, but I feel like, was she really even understanding what was going on then?
[00:40:26] Like it's going to be a lot for her now. I mean, listen, yeah. I would actually love Christie to come back and be on another jury and cast another controversial vote just to continue the cycle. Yeah. I mean, look, if that really was a mistake,
[00:40:37] try it with the shots in the dark and the lot, even though apparently, you know, for Christie that it wasn't a mistake. I don't know what the rumors are, but I do. I was just reading Dina's AMA.
[00:40:47] So that's where she said that it wasn't a mistake, but yeah. I feel like Christie again, like she's a relic of the sea and like Mateo, it's like, she fits perfectly into the puzzle of this season, but like it's not for 2025 to six survivor much like yeah.
[00:41:01] Butch as well, you know, relative of the, you know, the fire iconic undercover, but somebody spoken about for decades, butch would kill the fire making challenge by the way. I mean, he would kill everybody cause he'd burn tribal council town.
[00:41:16] Yeah. You wanted a record breaking fire. Well, we're all dead now. Yeah. I mean, look, and then he'd never get there cause they'd vote him out. He was like so good at fire. It's such a central component of the, of the season now,
[00:41:26] but we've talked about undercover bush. That's always been the name, right? If the person we'd put back on that people wouldn't know, but they would these newer costs would know because they cast all the super fans. So they would actually know, but like, butch.
[00:41:38] Now if Rob was cast alongside undercover bush, do you think he would heat up the guys? Do you think he'd be like, I know your secret guys, like the guys tribe? Yeah, exactly. But do you think he'd keep it where he's like, listen, I know.
[00:41:49] And you know that I know, but like, as long as we keep working together, I'm going to keep this a secret, which would be like, and who are you? Which doesn't remember Rob. I remember you, butch. That happened with my dad and Nick Jonas.
[00:42:00] What? Yeah. Well, like my dad met Nick Jonas. He didn't know who the Jonas brothers were. He met all the Jonas brothers and then independently or together. No altogether. Actually, I don't even think Kevin was there, but this then anyway, he had a whole thing.
[00:42:12] They came to his tennis club. I don't even know how on a 15 minute podcast. This is not the tangent to go on, but what happened was my dad went to Jonas brothers. He didn't know who they were.
[00:42:20] They had like a whole thing where they came for like tennis lessons. And then like recently, just a couple of months ago, like a couple of years later from that, the Jonas brothers came back to my dad's tennis club and he didn't remember
[00:42:29] them. And Nick Jonas had to be like, Brian, we've met. He knew him on a first day basis. Yeah. Like Nick Jonas remembered my dad. I gave him free tickets to that concert by the way. Unless your dad is just like big timing them, you know, like, yeah.
[00:42:43] Like, okay. Now you take a step in my white kids and you see what how the other half lives of like, oh, I've met so many people. I don't remember you. What's your name? Rick. Yes. Okay. Rick, go ahead. Volley to serve.
[00:42:56] That's not my, that's not really my dad. I don't know the tangent for the 15 minute podcast, but if you've seen the new Anne Hathaway movie where it's like her and the celebrities are like a whole part is like he likes it.
[00:43:07] She doesn't really know who he is. And I was like, oh, this is dad. Dad is doing this with a celebrity. They might be romantically interested in him because my dad has done that with like several celebrities where like Jake Gyllenhaal, which like justice for Taylor Hugh Jackman.
[00:43:19] That's the famous one. My dad has like snubbed two to three times and then the Jonas brothers. So anyway, so why would the Amazon. Wow. Did you want to catch us on the other ones? People will press for what we've been getting it done.
[00:43:31] So next summer of survivor podcasts, instead of doing celebrity survivor, let's do celebrity survivor with the celebrities that your dad has had a one-to-one liaising with. Yeah, but he, there's probably some, I don't even know because he never knew I had when Taylor was here,
[00:43:42] I had to be like, dad, if someone called Taylor Swift comes in, I need you to call me. Someone important. If someone called Taylor Swift comes in. I mean my dad should. Yeah. I'm like, I was really worried. He'd be like, oh, Taylor Swift.
[00:43:53] Is that with one F or two? I was like, dad, call me if Taylor Swift comes into the club. Cause a lot of people come in to the, it's a whole. Do you think she'd come in under her own name or do you think she'd come
[00:44:02] in under an alias? You know, I don't think that she would. She could use an alias. I've listened to every more. I know that she could come up with names and she wouldn't think he needs to. Cause you would think that if she's Taylor Swift,
[00:44:13] people would be like, no her name. She wouldn't have to even give them a name. I thought Travis might want to bowl. My dad's it's a tennis bowling club. I thought, but then they just went to the zoo twice. Anyway, he's like, yeah, why?
[00:44:25] If they did. And my dad was like, you'd be one of the first people I call. I'm like one of the first. All right, we'll move on from what. And then there's Dave. Dave Bangarang. I did. That's it. All right. We don't have time.
[00:44:40] We have to talk about Nick Jonas and my dad for a long time. Let's move on. Well, I think we can sort of yada yada through this, this pre-emerge group. We have the aforementioned one, one by one pixel size, Ryan Aiken, Janet,
[00:44:50] who regretted using her midlife crisis to go on survivor Daniel Lou. I'm glad he recovered from malaria. Joanna, hallelujah. Oh, glory. Jean, Shauna and then the deceased Roger Sexton. Really nothing to pick out here in terms of 50 candidates. Can you imagine? We know.
[00:45:12] No, it was a pretty good boot order of the Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. I think Janet, they bring her on and have her negotiate for a granola bar. And everyone's like, what is that? Yes, they're like, I don't understand the reference. That did not stand the test of time.
[00:45:27] I feel like Shauna, I'm surprised she doesn't stand a little more like Shauna was Shauna was the original Q. Shauna was the one who asked to get voted out and her alliance said no. Yeah, which I always find really funny.
[00:45:39] This season has a lot of things that I like that were originated here that are funny, like voting out the swing vote, keeping a person hostage in their own game because you won't vote them out. I don't know.
[00:45:48] I think that might be where the comparisons to Q end, especially from like a TV presence perspective. But is Shauna keeping up? I don't know. I need these people keeping up. Who is most likely to be watching survivor of this group? Not Roger. Roger Sexton.
[00:46:05] I do believe Roger was one of the, the few Amazon cast members that came on for Rob's like 10 year reunion back in 2013. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, that's what we got. So this, this is going to be fairly straightforward here.
[00:46:19] We know that Jenna and Rob are locked on. I'm like, I'm pretty much all the way there with Dina. But do you have given her career any final arguments to put her on the ballot? She's cool. She's so cool. Like I wish I was watching this live.
[00:46:34] Like I just like, I love Dina. She's like, she's like the, she's such a like archetype of like smart woman who was like, you know, super like women's strong on the season. That was a big thing with Roger and she's great. Yeah.
[00:46:51] And I think this goes in line with the, our picks for like Africa and Thailand and a little bit of our cases as well, where it's like, okay, we have someone who would have probably the strongest case to come back from a narrative perspective in Rob.
[00:47:05] We have someone who like has some legs there and could be interesting to see pop up in Jenna. And then we have our sort of, for lack of a better term, wishful thinking high in the sky. Oh, this would be great in the form of Dina.
[00:47:18] And we'll see how that reflects in the voting, but we kind of have already set this precedent with the previous five seasons. So I'm not mad at throwing Dina on there. Great. Yay. I got what I wanted.
[00:47:28] The last category I want to throw on there is a little bit of a superlative here because there are so many other all-star reality shows that exist out there or even other reality shows in general,
[00:47:40] because one of them I was going to suggest for this category is Jenna Maraska is apparently a big brother fan. So if she doesn't get on to Survivor 50, maybe they pull a Suri and put her in the house.
[00:47:52] I think there would be even less of an acknowledgement of her as it was for Suri and Big Brother 25. Yeah. I mean, I guess, I don't know that that's exactly where Big Brother is looking. If we're saying even Survivor probably on, I have a couple of others.
[00:48:05] Firstly, if it had to be someone we weren't choosing, then I feel like Heidi's the one they might put on something. Oh, Heidi on the Traitors would be amazing. Heidi on sort of like the Challenge All-Stars, or if they did a Challenge USA,
[00:48:18] ones that favor perhaps an older crop by comparison to the young 20-somethings. To your point, if she is fit AF, I think that would be perfect for her. She has a bit of a following, a bit of name recognition.
[00:48:30] Like she could go on a show with that name recognition that Jenna doesn't have where like, it's not Survivor, where Jenna won Survivor, then Heidi has that extra kind of publicity. And I also feel like for looking at Australia versus US Survivor, Rob,
[00:48:45] if you were concerned about not being able to podcast about Season 50, well, you don't have to do... Firstly, Australian Survivor would let you do the check-ins. They don't care. Yeah. They have no control over that. Yeah. I've seen Abby Holmes.
[00:48:57] Like I watched her once. She was on pit, or not on the field, on the field at the grand final, the AFL grand final doing interviews. And I was like, aren't you going to be on All-Stars right now?
[00:49:07] And that was an unfortunate way. They had a bit of a clue that it wasn't going to go great for Abby. But they let him podcast and he could still podcast about the US because it wouldn't be on US Survivor. He should do Australian Survivor.
[00:49:18] So those are those picks that I think. All right. So Shannon... Rob should do The Traitors also. Oh, yeah, of course. Rob doing The Traitors. Honestly, okay, what do you think is the greater chance here? Unfortunately, I think at the time we're talking,
[00:49:33] casting for Season 3 of The Traitors has come and gone. But do you think Rob would be more likely to do Season 4 of The Traitors or Survivor 50? Traitors. You think so? I mean, I think that maybe... I think if they asked him, he would like, he'd definitely do it.
[00:49:47] Because like, that doesn't take anything away from, like there's no downside to that, right? I don't know, because I feel like Survivor 50, like 50 is the big thing. I think if it was just asked back for like a random,
[00:49:58] even if it was a blood versus water or like a fans versus favorite season, I do agree. I think he'd rather do Traitors. But again, the fact that there will probably be so many eyes on 50 and the reverence behind that, I do think that bears more weight.
[00:50:10] Even if the time crunch, even actually the time crunch though, actually might be now a bit of a same comparable filming wise. Because I'm pretty sure The Traitors films for like a month, maybe a few weeks. And that's what the length of New Era Survivor is nowadays.
[00:50:22] Well, I once tweeted about this. People were like, no, it's longer because there's like filming days. I mean, The Traitors is over like in like game time. It's like two weeks max. I understand that that's not how television works, but I don't think it's much longer.
[00:50:35] I think they film for like three weeks. And then I guess if you go out for like pregame and stuff, it does end up being a few weeks. But I mean, Robert talked about Survivor being a vacation. How much more is The Traitors?
[00:50:43] Castle, apparently a very average breakfast. But still breakfast. Yeah, well, I would love that though, just to have him bring his closet of Alan Cumming takeoff outfits to then wear to the breakfast to compare directly to Alan and have Alan be like, I see you've stolen my look.
[00:50:59] Yeah, he would be great on The Traitors. He should do all of these things. And look, there are people behind who can run things while he's away. Yeah, and also I think if Rob does well in Survivor 50,
[00:51:09] like why can't we say that he would be doing all these things? Right. If he does super well, then all eyes would be on him to be like, oh, can you do The Traitors? Can you do House of Villains?
[00:51:18] Depending on how, you know, his latest season would go. And he won Survivor 50. We've already talked it out. Exactly. So I guess he's doing The Traitors too. Well, he's going to be busy. There's a lot going on. So we're going to have, we're going to be busy too.
[00:51:31] Well, Shannon, as the co-managers of Rob Sestonino, I'm so glad we were able to map out his career for the next five years, as well as who is going to be on this ballot. Of course, tomorrow I'll be back. Hoist the mizzenmast.
[00:51:45] It's time to set sail with Survivor Pearl Islands, my favorite Survivor season of all time. Certainly one full of iconic characters. I want to ask you, if you had your pick of people to put on the ballot from Pearl Island, who would it be?
[00:51:59] Why would you do this? I mean, like, that's the thing. Pearl Island is like the anti-Amazon. Like it became so iconic. So I guess you have to do Sandra. I don't, like, because it's 50. Yeah. So like you always ask Sandra for 50.
[00:52:17] It also really depends on the theme because again, not a lot of people are close to Sandra's role, but it's the kind of thing that makes game changes really disparate. Because once you have Sandra and we get loads like really big names and then like,
[00:52:27] It becomes way too disparate to like the bottom of that pool. But obviously someone like Sandra, I don't know. I'm trying to think now we've had, we've had a lot of people back. Is there any like, you might get back, but do people want that?
[00:52:40] Any, are there any like Dina-esque candidates for you? Oh, this person never got a second shot, but I'd like to see it. Well, let me look at the Wikipedia link. Not that I don't know the cast, but I'm very much in Amazon right now.
[00:52:51] Any support for people like Burton, Andrew Savage? Did he get a third try? Savage had his time. It was good, but we saw it. Burton, much like Alex Bell, it's like, that could have happened.
[00:53:04] But we missed a chance. No one really from, no, I don't think there is. You know, we think we got it. We really, we mined Pearl Island for me. And we got what we needed from it.
[00:53:15] I mean, like the real one is like Fairplay, but Fairplay will never come back. But Fairplay never really came back, really. And he's one of the most iconic characters of, you know, the whole franchise. But, you know, we'll see you in Australia soon.
[00:53:30] Yeah, so it's going to be a hot topic of conversation. We'll certainly be plundering for gold tomorrow as I'll be joined by Survivor 43 finalist Owen Knight will be on with me. He kind of has that pirate look with the long hair. He doesn't really.
[00:53:45] Maybe that's just what I think a pirate look is. We shall see tomorrow. Just picture him as a pirate. You see him with the eyed patch. Over his glasses. Is that how you see me right now? Are you okay? I see everybody as pirates. That's my secret.
[00:54:01] If you're not wearing a big pirate cap. That's my secret captain. I don't see everyone as pirates. Oh my gosh, it's worse than we thought. Well, Shannon, I had a fantastic time getting to do this. Anything you would like to plug?
[00:54:13] Of course, we get to do absolute shenanigans on the Summer of Survivor off-season series every Wednesday here on RAJP. Yeah, well I'm doing that. Moms vs. Mothers. I have my bingo ball machine now and my magic 8-ball that I never use. But I have. So we're doing that.
[00:54:30] And we're going to be on Crime Scene Podcast or I was on it already. Yeah, this will be out on Monday. Double check the dates. Yeah, I've already been on it, I think. Monday, the 10th of June. So I'm just discussing. Is it called The Contestant?
[00:54:46] Yes, that's the documentary, right? About the reality TV show personality who had their life ruined by being filmed consistently. Well, it's actually a fascinating story that I haven't watched the documentary yet, but when I heard about it, I Wikipedia'd it for like three hours.
[00:55:02] It's really fascinating. He had to live in a room. He didn't know he was like, he knew he was being filmed, but he didn't know it was being aired at the time. And then he had to only survive on what he won in sweepstakes.
[00:55:13] And it's like one of the first examples of like reality television. It really speaks to how messed up all of this is. So I'm doing that. Gary's message from All Stars gets carried forward full circle 20 years later. That's why I have to say to consider being kind.
[00:55:29] The fans are like, we've considered it, taken it under consideration. Which will be fine if it's the people against Rob. But other than that, it's not that great. Follow me on Shannon Gates is all I have. That's it.
[00:55:44] We hit the 50 minutes. I'm sorry for the tangents on my dad's celebrity. I blame the Jonas Brothers personally. How could you not? As I do for like 75% of things in my life, I blame the Jonas Brothers.
[00:55:56] It really was because he called me and said the Jonas Brothers are here. And I'm like, oh, is Kevin there? Because I want to tell him I love Claim to Fame. And then I heard him put the phone like down and he went, is one of you Kevin?
[00:56:04] And I said, no, don't ask if one of them is one of you. Yeah, the bartender. I got a Kevin Jonas here. Yeah, Kevin. I was like, no, definitely not. You want to especially not Kevin.
[00:56:15] Don't ask if one of them is Kevin because I feel like that is going to hit. Like, yeah, I think that's really going to get under his skin. Like, yeah, don't recognize me. Yeah. But I was like, I don't recognize any of you.
[00:56:24] I was like, that's fine, actually. Thank you. Equal opportunity offender. Exactly. Well, this was such a great time. Hope everyone enjoyed it. Make sure you don't miss a beat of the stuff. Rob has a website dot com slash survivor fee to subscribe to our survivor only feed or
[00:56:37] Rob has a website dot com slash YouTube to subscribe to the YouTube version of this. We'll be back bright and early tomorrow to set sail with Survivor Pearl Islands with Owen Knight. Until next time, everybody, take care. Bye bye. Mojo.us
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