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[00:02:01] Hey, everybody.
[00:02:02] So before we get into today's Survivor 50 wishlist podcast about Mark Casis, I just want to give a quick disclaimer at the top.
[00:02:11] We admittedly recorded this podcast prior to the news that Boston Rob Mariano would be competing on season three of The Traitors.
[00:02:20] So over the course of the podcast, we don't actually talk a lot about Austin Rob.
[00:02:25] I say let's put a pin on it to actually talk more about in Redemption Island, which will be recorded after the news.
[00:02:31] But if you notice that we make no mention of the fact that Rob has been cast on another reality show besides Survivor, that's the reason why.
[00:02:40] So keep that in mind.
[00:02:42] Hope you enjoy today's podcast.
[00:02:58] Hi, everybody, and welcome back to the Survivor 50 wishlist podcast.
[00:03:03] An offseason series that is here to determine who could and should be on the list to return for the upcoming season.
[00:03:11] Survivor 50.
[00:03:13] Today, we are talking about the Marquesa as it's affectionately known.
[00:03:18] We're not going to Jordan in this case.
[00:03:20] We're talking about the fourth season of Survivor and breaking down who from this cast could prospectively come back for season 50.
[00:03:30] Now, of course, we are going back to the beach for this one in Survivor history.
[00:03:34] But the person I'm talking with today, I would never call a beach.
[00:03:37] It is a great Chantel Francis.
[00:03:39] Chantel, how are you?
[00:03:40] I'm doing pretty well.
[00:03:42] And it was really, really nice going back down memory lane because I was around.
[00:03:48] I was a little bit younger than Rob at the time when this was airing.
[00:03:52] And I was just like I was watching every season of Survivor.
[00:03:56] And I just I love feeling like, oh my God, I remember being young and like having this huge crush on Boston and Rob.
[00:04:04] And being like, like literally he was the person that made me really want the strategy in these shows.
[00:04:11] Oh, he he before I was more so like, oh, pick a number out of a hat and be fair about it.
[00:04:17] Like I was on that side.
[00:04:19] And then he came along.
[00:04:20] I'm like, oh, I like this.
[00:04:23] Maybe it's because he was cute and I just wanted to like follow him around or whatever.
[00:04:26] But he definitely was a change maker in my the way that I interpret reality TV.
[00:04:32] So it was really cool going back down.
[00:04:35] I did rewatch. I didn't see the finale episode, but I did a real alert.
[00:04:38] Vesepia one. Sorry, I want to remember that.
[00:04:42] And I find it interesting that you're like, oh, let's not do any more picking things out of a hat when this is the first time the purple rock tiebreaker shows up on the show.
[00:04:50] Fair, fair, fair.
[00:04:51] But you know what I'm saying?
[00:04:52] In the sense that like everyone wants it to be fair and like, you know, good people and don't lie.
[00:04:58] And that narrative was kind of running rampant through all definitely the first four seasons.
[00:05:03] And so I just remember him being like not wanting to go along with those plans and just being picked off by big groups of people.
[00:05:11] Yeah, he maybe loves strategy.
[00:05:13] And so it was nice to go back down to my origin story for competitive reality shows.
[00:05:18] Well, listen, if you are a Chantel type and you're just happening into this podcast via Boston Rob's first season,
[00:05:25] just to reintroduce the concept at the top here,
[00:05:28] this very incredible body of work that I'm trying to engage in right now as opposed to Sarah's body of work,
[00:05:35] which could be talked about in a different way.
[00:05:36] I love what Vesepia does early on.
[00:05:39] So basically every weekday I'm coming to you with a different member of the R.H.
[00:05:43] AP or survivor community to break down a season of survivors,
[00:05:48] specifically through the lens of we all know officially announced Survivor 50 will be a returning season.
[00:05:54] And so we are trying to figure out who from a practical standpoint and also perhaps an idealistic standpoint should be in the running to be cast on said season.
[00:06:06] By the time we are all done with this and we have our compiled shortlist of 46 seasons of people,
[00:06:13] those people will then be put into a big fan vote where you all out there will determine who, in your opinion, should be the cast of Survivor 50.
[00:06:21] So our goal for today, Chantel, is we are going to look at the cast of Survivor Mercasus and determine,
[00:06:27] if you will, who do we say yes to and who do we say no, no to.
[00:06:32] And hopefully we'll come out of here with a handful of people that we want these fans to vote on at the end of this entire process.
[00:06:40] So just with those no-nos, is that what they were actually called or is that just what they were calling them?
[00:06:45] I actually didn't go in. That's a great question. I will Google it right now.
[00:06:49] Like those no-nos were disgusting. I didn't remember that.
[00:06:52] I probably blocked that out of my memory. But just seeing them covered in all those bites,
[00:06:57] I wonder how long their bodies took to recover from all those bug bites.
[00:07:01] Yes, I'm looking it up right now. Yeah, there are no-nos, I think is the name for it.
[00:07:06] I've also seen a no-see-um is another.
[00:07:09] I don't know if that's another colloquialism.
[00:07:11] Yeah, which is like a colloquialism to describe the fact that like you don't see them, but you certainly feel them.
[00:07:17] And yeah, definitely burned in my brain is Basarab spelling no-nos spelled N-O-N-O.
[00:07:22] Just one of the many lines I got to see over the course of.
[00:07:25] Listen, we were talking very recently about hot mess tribes in the new era.
[00:07:30] Arguably Mata'amu was the one to begin it all, I would say.
[00:07:34] It was just the first real hot mess tribe in Survivor history.
[00:07:38] So we are going to break it all down. Chantelle, Survivor Marquesas is a really interesting season of Survivor,
[00:07:45] especially in retrospect because I mean you mentioned the no-nos.
[00:07:50] Jeff Probst has very famously said he did not like Marquesas.
[00:07:54] He does not favorably look back on it.
[00:07:56] I think at least partially because of the filming conditions,
[00:08:00] you know, I do believe in the advertising for Marquesas.
[00:08:03] They had said that like they're going to start with nothing,
[00:08:07] like they're not going to be given food to begin with.
[00:08:09] And so there was a little bit more survivalistic aspects put in.
[00:08:13] Obviously these contestants were getting injured all over the place,
[00:08:17] sometimes hilariously in the form of John Carroll.
[00:08:21] And then you have yeah, just the general displeasure of probably being on those beaches.
[00:08:25] They were probably lamenting the fact that they went back to the beach with just how tough it was to film the show.
[00:08:31] So I think that is also colored a bit of the way Jeff looks back on it.
[00:08:34] We'll certainly talk about the winner in Vesepia.
[00:08:37] I think there was probably from production's perspective another candidate
[00:08:40] they would have wanted to see win who unfortunately fell tragically short.
[00:08:45] On the other hand, as you're mentioning,
[00:08:48] this ends up sort of being the backdoor origin story to the merge boot from this season,
[00:08:55] becoming arguably the face of the entire franchise from a contestant perspective.
[00:09:01] Well, definitely. Like I just feel this actually season,
[00:09:06] as much as like how it's very more slow moving and like you kind of get to really get to know the characters
[00:09:12] and all these people and the hot mess tribe and it all.
[00:09:15] But actually there was some parts of it that felt like new era survivor,
[00:09:18] like with them kind of going in and being like, you know, we we want to take away everything from them and strip them.
[00:09:24] And so it was it was interesting to me because I always feel like right now with like new age survivor,
[00:09:29] it's like nothing like the old school. And then I'm like, wait, actually, it's kind of similar.
[00:09:35] And so who was the merge boot again? It was.
[00:09:37] Balsam Rob. Oh, but oh, he's merge boot, but he doesn't get into the merge.
[00:09:41] Right. Yeah, which is very new, new school survivor as where like you come to the merge
[00:09:46] and they actually don't get to be on the jury. And and then it goes into the.
[00:09:50] Yeah, he even got to name the tribe solely onto,
[00:09:53] but he got evicted before the words could even escape his mouth.
[00:09:57] Yeah, I was thinking, oh my God, like, wait, what's in the it wasn't Rob that gets on the jury.
[00:10:01] And I was like, I was like, that's such is that so I forgot that he's not on the actual jury.
[00:10:06] Until winners of war, Boston Rob never sat on a survivor jury infamously.
[00:10:10] That's really wild because I just think of he should have had like the full experience.
[00:10:15] And I feel like he was such a big part of season four,
[00:10:20] like, you know, his origin story into survivor that the fact that he didn't get to cast a vote like it's
[00:10:26] that doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah.
[00:10:29] So another big thing to take away from our case is I would say arguably not to,
[00:10:35] you know, put my bingo ball forward yet for maybe an upcoming summer of Survivor podcast is the
[00:10:41] probably most memorable moment from this season in terms of the echoes in survivor history,
[00:10:47] which is the fall of the road to for the first ever genuine power shift in survivor history,
[00:10:54] where the previous three seasons the blueprint of how to play the game kind of had been laid out.
[00:11:00] Right? You go into the merge. You have an alliance.
[00:11:03] Whoever has more than numbers, whether it be a tribe or an alliance,
[00:11:07] then just kind of systematically picks off everyone who's outside of it.
[00:11:10] And then y'all make it to the end and then made the best person when we saw that in Borneo with the
[00:11:15] Toggies we saw it in Australia to a certain extent with Tina and Colby and Keith.
[00:11:20] We saw it in Africa with the Buran Alliance.
[00:11:23] And this is the wind shift or the winds twist.
[00:11:25] I believe is the name of the swap episode in this season adequately enough
[00:11:29] because we have one little coconut shop challenge change the course of Survivor history where the
[00:11:35] outsiders come together and say, wait a minute.
[00:11:38] We have five they have four.
[00:11:40] I don't know who Brad Culpepper is at this point, but five does go into nine.
[00:11:45] Let's get rid of it. And as a result,
[00:11:48] I know Rob has certainly said that his gameplay was influenced by what happened at that move.
[00:11:52] He then influences someone like Johnny Fairplay.
[00:11:54] So again, it sort of gets forgotten about to your point.
[00:11:57] Chantal where blind sides are just a common course in the theme of Survivor.
[00:12:02] But really this hierarchy getting flipped on its head was absolutely unprecedented.
[00:12:07] It was so good and it be watching back as well thinking like I'm like,
[00:12:12] can't they get an idol or something to like help like figure something out?
[00:12:16] Where are the advantages? And so it actually made me understand a little bit why
[00:12:22] and like the idea of where the emergence of the immunity idol eventually becomes is to stop
[00:12:29] or like just maybe give some hope to these,
[00:12:32] you know, small groups being able to take out these big numbers.
[00:12:35] Like now I know that they have the numbers at this point with the five versus four
[00:12:39] and the fact that like, hey, we got to remember that people that are on the outside can come together
[00:12:43] and make the majority. It was really great to see that happen,
[00:12:47] especially because Nelia and Pascal are not necessarily the most strategic players in the game.
[00:12:53] They're quite loyal and they're not going to backstab likely.
[00:12:58] And so the fact that they were able to come together and go with this vote,
[00:13:02] I thought it was pretty awesome, pretty epic.
[00:13:04] And watching it back again, I was like, yes! Take them down!
[00:13:10] Well before we take this cast down, just a quick reminder,
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[00:13:53] Let us not delay any further, Chantal, because we've already got some stuff to talk about at the top.
[00:13:59] And again, I'm going to talk about these things in phases,
[00:14:01] in chunks, starting from the top down with our top two here.
[00:14:07] Vesepia and Nelia on a cold day in Central Park over 20 years ago,
[00:14:13] we found out that Vesepia would become not only the first black woman to win the show.
[00:14:19] Apparently, according to my research, the first black reality TV winner.
[00:14:24] Ever maybe from like a competitive standpoint.
[00:14:28] I would say the challenge, though, had like some people win.
[00:14:31] Maybe would it be earlier than that? Maybe not.
[00:14:34] Maybe, maybe not. It was 2002 or 2002 to start.
[00:14:39] Yeah, 2002 that this ended up airing in. I mean,
[00:14:41] out of the early seasons of the challenge, like technically had winners.
[00:14:45] Yeah, road rules might count as well. At least this is what Survivor Wiki is telling me.
[00:14:49] But still very, very large.
[00:14:51] But Vesepia has just been this very interesting question mark when it comes to Survivor casting.
[00:15:00] She has done obviously a couple of interviews more recently,
[00:15:03] especially one on talking with T-Bird a few years ago,
[00:15:07] and she stated that she was one of the rare winners not contacted for winners at war.
[00:15:14] Maybe it's partially due to the fact that Jeff Probst has not necessarily looked back kindly on Mercasis.
[00:15:20] It might be due to the fact that Vesepia story
[00:15:23] and maybe Chantel you watch the season more recently than I have
[00:15:25] so you could speak to the validity of this
[00:15:27] that her gameplay was a little bit more purposely under the radar
[00:15:31] where it was sort of just stay out of the drama.
[00:15:33] Let these people take each other out
[00:15:35] and then I'll sort of swoop in and take down the wind
[00:15:37] which is not like the best TV product for it.
[00:15:41] But I think the thing we're going to have to come in here
[00:15:43] and ask ourselves is like are we giving Vesepia her due today?
[00:15:48] Well, I definitely remember when I was watching it originally.
[00:15:51] I was watching it live and I was falling like I was under Boston Rob's spell
[00:15:58] and so Boston Rob is on Redemption Island.
[00:16:01] Basically, I was on his under his spell
[00:16:04] and he was kind of seeing her like she would just go
[00:16:07] and kiss butt and you know, she wasn't really asserting her own gameplay.
[00:16:13] And so I still kind of felt that way
[00:16:16] and I don't know if it's because of my influence of my the past version of me
[00:16:20] or because I still kind of felt that she didn't for me push her game forward.
[00:16:27] Like she wasn't a huge catalyst in how everything kind of shifted and turned
[00:16:33] and so like I would have loved to still see her play again.
[00:16:37] I do think that she is a hundred percent should have been contacted
[00:16:41] for you know winners at war.
[00:16:43] Her gameplay is still interesting.
[00:16:45] She still did win.
[00:16:46] She's still a deserving winner.
[00:16:48] Like it's very hard to win these seasons no matter how you play the game.
[00:16:53] And so the fact that she did win I think is exceptional,
[00:16:56] of course, but her gameplay wouldn't be one that I'd be like,
[00:17:00] let's study and follow it and do exactly what she did
[00:17:02] and know that we could get the same result.
[00:17:04] I think it was just like kind of some happy circumstances around her being able to get to the end
[00:17:08] and win. I don't know if everybody could replicate this gameplay
[00:17:12] and have the same result.
[00:17:13] Yeah, I mean, I think a she probably wouldn't want to replicate the result.
[00:17:17] I believe when she was talking in her talking with T-Bird interview,
[00:17:20] you know, she was someone who at least at the time the interview was being given was still following the show
[00:17:25] and wanted to talk about playing a bit more of a louder more out there game
[00:17:30] and maybe it was due to the circumstances that she was kind of watching the personalities around her
[00:17:34] and is she like drama drama drama.
[00:17:36] I'm just going to stay out of it right now.
[00:17:38] Boston Rob Johnny Pots and pans even Sean y'all can get into it.
[00:17:43] I'm just going to hang back right in my journal so I can break the fallen comrades challenge later on
[00:17:48] and then slip my way to the end.
[00:17:50] I mean, I do think she plays perhaps the most impressively in that finale episode
[00:17:55] where Sean had just been voted out.
[00:17:57] She wins a clutch immunity at the final four
[00:17:59] and then does hop on board with Kathy to force that tie
[00:18:03] where which puts her in a situation where you know,
[00:18:06] she has a couple of outs there.
[00:18:08] Obviously Nalia is going to be the one to take her to the final three
[00:18:11] and Kathy may have as well where if she goes to the end with Nelia
[00:18:15] and Pascal like game over she has to win out once again.
[00:18:19] And so I do think that's probably the best move she had to make
[00:18:22] which is only by proxy the fact that she had her back against the wall.
[00:18:26] I mean again, what's interesting about this?
[00:18:28] Epias the Sepia's run is that she is kind of in this rarefied air even across,
[00:18:33] you know, 40 plus survivor winners of like someone who was truly on the outside
[00:18:39] who was able to make their way to the end
[00:18:41] and win the Sepia and Sean were the only two original Mata Amu members in their merged tribe.
[00:18:49] Like despite the fact that she had just been swapped onto Road to
[00:18:52] and bonded a bit with the people that would become the road to for she was still kind of regarded as an outsider.
[00:18:58] There's a reason why she's eliminated in that coconut chop challenge early.
[00:19:01] And so I think on paper,
[00:19:03] I agree that maybe an execution watching the show back
[00:19:06] and maybe that's partially due to how it was edited.
[00:19:09] It's not exactly like a huge impressively flashy game,
[00:19:13] but I think if you break apart a lot of the core tenets of what she was able to do,
[00:19:17] especially given her position and especially especially given the fact that it was only the fourth season of the show.
[00:19:24] There's some there there.
[00:19:26] Well, I think like she like her playing this game like obviously being social
[00:19:30] and knowing not to maybe be in the drama like all these are really good elements of a great game player.
[00:19:35] I think just not having the undercurrent of strategy and intention and moving things beyond like behind the scenes.
[00:19:43] I think was we don't have that element is what does for me doesn't make it a well-rounded winner
[00:19:48] and strategist and game player.
[00:19:50] And so I do like I hear some of yours.
[00:19:54] Yeah, no, those are pretty good pretty good points.
[00:19:55] Like yeah, okay.
[00:19:56] Yeah, we could we could see her in a light of being a decent game player,
[00:20:00] but I think for the whole season it she didn't really have a game play or game plan
[00:20:06] and that for me is why I don't really see her necessarily as you know,
[00:20:10] a master game player, but I think it was a deserved win.
[00:20:13] Yeah, and we can certainly talk I want to put sort of a pin on you know,
[00:20:17] where whether production would want to bring her back because again while there is sort of corroborating evidence that they wouldn't I
[00:20:23] would say if there was a time to bring her back the environment
[00:20:28] for 50 would be different than the environment for 40 and we can get into that in a little bit.
[00:20:34] What should be noted though is of course you have to ask on the other side of things would be Sepia want to come back?
[00:20:39] So she was asked about this on talking with T-Bird and like a lot of other alumni was kind of giving this sort of like Fancy Fenserton answer
[00:20:46] where she's like, I would like the chance to do it,
[00:20:49] you know, obviously she was not happy that she wasn't even given an interest call for winners at war.
[00:20:55] She did point out that she is I believe 69 or no,
[00:20:58] she's 58 years old at this point right now mixing her up with another contestant which it is not terrible compared to some of the other people that we voted through.
[00:21:06] So she didn't know that she had you know major surgery.
[00:21:10] I think she had a torn one of her ACLs and she does say when she watches the challenges.
[00:21:14] She does get worried sometimes of like if you have to make me leap off a top a tall tower.
[00:21:19] I would be so pissed if I tear my ACL again.
[00:21:22] So I think if there's anything that would make the Sepia want to say no,
[00:21:27] it would be the physical aspects of it.
[00:21:30] Well and also though, I don't know if the her style of gameplay would adapt in this faster season.
[00:21:37] I think that how she you know, she's able to get these bonds of these connections and that takes time
[00:21:43] and I think that maybe the speed of this new era.
[00:21:47] I don't know if she would actually be able to vibe with it
[00:21:49] and then other people playing with her like they're like, okay who are doing let's make a move.
[00:21:53] Let's flip like they're faster pace.
[00:21:55] They want answers. Let's go like okay, like voting block here voting block there.
[00:21:59] I don't know if she would be able to keep up with that pace of how the new era goes.
[00:22:04] And so if she's still watching I'd hope she's still watching.
[00:22:07] I'm not sure if she would be vibing with seeing herself in the new paced era.
[00:22:12] Any thoughts about Nelia?
[00:22:14] You know, I do think she's someone who makes it all the way to the end nearly wins the game,
[00:22:19] but I would argue perhaps when you look back in Survivor history,
[00:22:24] not necessarily like a key runner-up you would want to see come back for a second time.
[00:22:29] She's very very sweet. Sweet pea they call her.
[00:22:33] Sweet pea and I definitely teared up when she got taken on the reward challenge,
[00:22:39] even though it was Vesepia's birthday.
[00:22:41] Like, you know, I love seeing her and Pascal's relationship.
[00:22:44] It reminded me of Elizabeth and what was her guy's name?
[00:22:48] Roger. Like I like that relationship.
[00:22:52] And so I definitely like this archetype
[00:22:55] and I was like we haven't really seen that type of personality in more recent years,
[00:22:59] but I think that I'm okay for personally right now with seeing Nelia again.
[00:23:04] I think she's very sweet,
[00:23:06] but she didn't really have enough gameplay for me to need to see her archetype again.
[00:23:12] The only appeal I would see is that, you know,
[00:23:15] she was in her early 20s when she played before.
[00:23:18] She's 44 now and there's always some interesting stuff there too, right?
[00:23:21] Of like playing in your 20s versus playing in your 40s
[00:23:24] where assumingly you know a lot more about the world,
[00:23:26] but I think we could exercise that exercise for a lot of other contestants
[00:23:31] that played in the same age range who maybe didn't,
[00:23:33] for example, go to their final Tribal Council
[00:23:35] and say that they only started playing the game on like day 21.
[00:23:38] Yeah, that wouldn't work in new era.
[00:23:42] Because that would be like final six.
[00:23:46] Yeah, I mean, you know what though?
[00:23:48] Who knows if she was really eager about wanting to play
[00:23:51] and being like I've been watching the season.
[00:23:53] I've become a big fan. I've seen where my gameplay failed
[00:23:57] and how I could have maybe even won with the circumstances that I was in
[00:24:01] if I said this or I did that.
[00:24:03] And if she had that heart and that hunger
[00:24:05] and I really heard that she wanted to come back and play,
[00:24:08] then I might be a little bit more supportive.
[00:24:09] But who she was on the show,
[00:24:12] I don't know if I'd want to see her come back.
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[00:24:48] Let's get into our jury here.
[00:24:49] Full of the Row 2, 4 and friends in quotations.
[00:24:53] In reverse finish order, we have Kathy Paschal
[00:24:58] who was the victim of the first ever rock draw in Survivor history.
[00:25:01] Sean, Robert D'Caneo, but you probably know him better as The General.
[00:25:06] Tammy, Zoe and John Carroll himself.
[00:25:11] So I got to start with the first name introduced here, Kathy.
[00:25:15] You know, it's odd again in retrospect.
[00:25:17] It's sort of lost to the annals of Survivor history,
[00:25:20] especially given just the entire temperament
[00:25:22] that happened over the course of All Stars.
[00:25:24] But like you cannot say it enough how much of a fan favorite Kathy was.
[00:25:29] This was someone who was really on the outs of the Row 2 tribe early on.
[00:25:34] They were the love tribe, but they were not loving Kathy
[00:25:37] who was sticking out in terms of a personality.
[00:25:39] But honestly, like it all feels like when she peed on John Carroll's head,
[00:25:44] she became the number one fan favorite in a manner of speaking
[00:25:47] because you know, she gets this swap with Paschal and Nelia
[00:25:50] which brings her closer to them.
[00:25:52] They then make this flip over with Sean and Vesepia.
[00:25:55] She becomes the swing vote at the final five
[00:25:58] and it has been expressed many, many times.
[00:26:00] If Kathy does not have a wardrobe malfunction
[00:26:03] that causes her to fall off at that final immunity challenge
[00:26:06] and she wins, she would be the winner of Survivor Mercasis.
[00:26:10] And so Rob and I will talk about this obviously in a few days.
[00:26:14] She was a slam dunk choice at the time to bring back for All Stars.
[00:26:18] And you know what? I went on that journey again.
[00:26:21] In the beginning, I was just kind of a little bit annoyed by her
[00:26:23] and I was like, but wait, I feel like I recognize her as somebody that I like.
[00:26:27] And like I was just reliving my Kathy experience.
[00:26:31] And by the end of the season, I was like, oh, wait, I like this person.
[00:26:35] I really want to see her play again.
[00:26:37] And so I was actually thinking, I'm like, does she ever play again?
[00:26:40] I couldn't remember if she did or did not.
[00:26:42] And so thanks for reminding me that she does.
[00:26:45] And at this point, I know there's still other people in the mix,
[00:26:48] but she is somebody that I was thinking about for the season.
[00:26:52] I would be very, very curious, excited to see her come back.
[00:26:56] I completely agree because look, the fact that she was a pivotal swing vote
[00:27:02] and two of the biggest up in the air votes,
[00:27:05] not only of the season, but really in Survivor history,
[00:27:08] shows the fact that she has a little bit of gamesmanship to her.
[00:27:12] When she did her Talking With T-Bird interview,
[00:27:14] she was, I think, one of the rare people to actually like fire tokens.
[00:27:18] She had said that like because I think it was given at the time of winners at war.
[00:27:22] She said that she actually in her day to day life,
[00:27:24] she's a big negotiator, a la Angelina.
[00:27:27] So she's like she loves the wheeling and dealing that a Survivor economy involves.
[00:27:31] So you ask about obviously, you know,
[00:27:33] has she been sort of in production's eye since her time in All-Stars?
[00:27:37] Apparently her and her son Patrick, who does appear on the show,
[00:27:41] I believe he's the first loved one to actually like visit the camp in Survivor history,
[00:27:46] a tradition that will be continued after their stay.
[00:27:49] Apparently they were slated for blood versus water or like she had a little bit of discrepancy stuff.
[00:27:53] She's like, oh yeah, it was a few years ago.
[00:27:55] So they said and then they said they went in a different direction,
[00:27:58] but she was still being considered and she does say when answering the question about what she wants to come back.
[00:28:04] She says, I think it would be a riot to go back and put some humor into the show,
[00:28:09] which given the Survivor 46, I don't know how much more humor we can take,
[00:28:13] but throw Kathy on there with one of the greatest laughs in Survivor history,
[00:28:17] and I'm happy. Do you think that she would be excited to negotiate for rice?
[00:28:22] Oh my God. Yeah, she would fashion a blazer out of palm fronds,
[00:28:28] walk in there and be like, all right, Jeff, I'm going to hell hold you by the balls over this.
[00:28:33] Like where are you? Give me three. I'm going to give you two and a half.
[00:28:36] Take that probes the boy. I think Kathy could absolutely give it to him.
[00:28:41] She is just such a great character.
[00:28:43] And again, I think a lot of that is obfuscated by what happened in all stars,
[00:28:47] not only obviously the fact that she's like the second juror,
[00:28:49] but a lot of ugliness involved in her relationship with Rob,
[00:28:52] despite the fact that she does vote for Boston Rob in the end.
[00:28:56] It was kind of a sour note to end her Survivor career on.
[00:28:58] So maybe part of me is just manifesting like let's give a third shot to Kathy and hope that she does get that bounce back.
[00:29:04] Look, she is 69 years old, which is nice.
[00:29:08] But obviously from a physical perspective would not be great.
[00:29:12] But again, that's something I'm not necessarily holding to a lot of these old school castaways just
[00:29:17] because this is fictional at the end of the day. It is fictional.
[00:29:21] I'm not sure if she would want to put herself through that now.
[00:29:24] Like today. How old is she now? Probably 69.
[00:29:28] 60. Yeah, that's a little bit like it would not be the oldest player to ever play.
[00:29:33] Do we know what Rudy was? 75 when he played.
[00:29:35] So still a pretty up there. But if she wants to play again,
[00:29:40] I would love to see her play again.
[00:29:42] And I wonder if you'd have the same kind of nostalgia that TJ has when he's with the all stars team,
[00:29:49] you know, because like, yeah, I did with like all these people that are around his age
[00:29:53] that he's been, you know, talking to for 20 years.
[00:29:56] Like is Jeff going to get like that with like people like Kathy,
[00:30:00] who is at the beginning when he was developing his survivor persona
[00:30:04] and the show was still like this phenomenon that was happening
[00:30:09] and he was in the middle of the eye of the storm.
[00:30:11] I would love to see how Jeff would be with some of these old school players
[00:30:16] that were pretty impactful back then. All right.
[00:30:19] Well, we got to talk about someone who I think a lot of fans have said is one of the most like criminal contestants
[00:30:26] that has only come back to or only played once over the course of Survivor.
[00:30:31] Sean Rector, of course, one of the biggest characters of the entire season,
[00:30:37] you know, buddy, buddy with Boston Rob,
[00:30:39] the two of them really joking it up and working together on Mata Amu him
[00:30:43] and V of course being one of the tightest pairs in those first few seasons.
[00:30:47] And he's also one of the most outspoken as well on and off the show.
[00:30:51] Sean apparently got the call for all stars was reconsidered at the last second,
[00:30:57] which is tough. I would have loved to see him.
[00:30:59] But also again, this will be prognosticating for a podcast that Robin I do.
[00:31:03] I think if you look at that mail cast, it's very tough to figure out like who you cut to replace Sean with.
[00:31:09] It would probably be his buddy Boston Rob,
[00:31:12] but otherwise not a lot of chaff on the male side of that all-stars cast.
[00:31:17] He had also said that he had been contacted for blood versus water,
[00:31:21] but he had sort of come forward at that point. Obviously, he had had a family.
[00:31:24] He'd a bit older. He had come forward with sort of like a list of requests
[00:31:28] that he would want to do to get him on the show and that list was not necessarily met.
[00:31:33] And so Sean has definitely I would say been very vocal in the past few years about how he has felt.
[00:31:42] The show has kind of done him wrong. And I think more specifically done Vesepia wrong.
[00:31:46] He's talked in a bunch of interviews both with Rob with Dalton Ross as well about how he feels like the show kind of obfuscated the fact that V was the first black contestant to win the show
[00:31:58] and that that speaks perhaps towards some implicit bias.
[00:32:02] And so I think if you took Sean's temperature back in like 2019 2020 after everything that happened with all-stars,
[00:32:09] he had really distanced himself from the survivor community.
[00:32:12] It was a show that he no longer wanted to be affiliated with because he felt that certain biases and,
[00:32:17] you know, certain ugliness that could be seen in the real world was represented,
[00:32:21] especially with some stuff that was happening in the latter 30s as well.
[00:32:25] But I'll bring this up now. Sean helped spearhead an incredible initiative that happened over the course of 2020 while he was giving these interviews,
[00:32:36] but had not yet crystallized into something with the Black Survivor Alliance,
[00:32:39] which also corresponded in a bunch of podcasts here on RHAP over the course of 2020.
[00:32:44] Sean was one of the main organizers of some really,
[00:32:47] really great talks about the impact that black contestants have had both on the show
[00:32:51] and the show has had on these black contestants subsequently. And as a result, they got there.
[00:32:56] They sat down Kathy style with Jeff Probst and the production team
[00:33:00] and we were able to get the diversity initiative out in terms of casting.
[00:33:05] Sean has said that basically, you know, if he says, let me read the direct quote here.
[00:33:15] I have was able to collaborate and co-host with Rob Sestrino to bring our collective voices on his RHAP podcast for an informed roundtable
[00:33:22] with many different black survivor contestants to correct
[00:33:25] and address some of the indiscretions and inconsistencies with regard to equitable opportunities for all contestants
[00:33:31] as well as more diversity on the production side.
[00:33:33] So maybe once those things are rectified, rectified, if you will, it would make sense to contemplate a comeback.
[00:33:40] For what it's worth, steps have been taken, Chantel,
[00:33:44] but do you think it's the proper amount of steps to get Sean interested in going back onto the show?
[00:33:51] I do. I do think that, you know, with some of the winners that have happened,
[00:33:55] especially in the new era, you know,
[00:33:58] 2020 was pretty powerful in general with, you know, reality TV and even network television
[00:34:05] with how they're representing BIPOC individuals and even other diverse individuals.
[00:34:11] I think that it would be pretty monumentous if somebody that felt at one point that they were kind of being on the outside
[00:34:19] and now they're allowed to be able to be inside with this new initiative, playing with more people that look like them.
[00:34:26] That was like kind of one thing that really didn't happen very much, especially in his era,
[00:34:31] where there wasn't another black man that he would be able to play with.
[00:34:35] There was Bisepia, which is another black female, but that was it.
[00:34:38] They just, there was two people and now there would be more people like it.
[00:34:42] It just would be a different game for him to be able to navigate where he might feel more comfortable.
[00:34:47] He might have more kinship. He might have a better time.
[00:34:49] He might, I don't know. I think that for him to be able to experience the change of being able to play in the new era,
[00:34:56] I think that would be really powerful for him as someone that was pushing forward this narrative,
[00:35:01] this narrative and this movement.
[00:35:03] So I think that it would be pretty awesome for him to take that opportunity if it's offered to him.
[00:35:08] Oh, absolutely. I mean, the man is such an incredible character who I think could fit in with some of the best crackups in Survivor history,
[00:35:17] where he absolutely lit up the screen.
[00:35:19] I will always remember after Jon was voted out and he was singing songs from The Wiz under the waterfall in celebration.
[00:35:26] Like, the man was just so much like sunshine contained, but not like a huge sunny personality, if that makes sense.
[00:35:34] Like, he certainly was not completely positive all the time,
[00:35:37] but there's moments that I get affiliated with this season,
[00:35:40] like him and Pascal rolling around in the sand together after winning the reward.
[00:35:44] Subsequently, him crushing his gonads on the horse as he's riding.
[00:35:48] There's so many moments around this man that again, it's terrible that due to circumstances,
[00:35:53] he has not been brought back and it sucks that we would have to wait 44 seasons, 46 seasons to have it happen.
[00:36:00] He is 52, which again, listen from Survivor contestant perspective is on the older side,
[00:36:04] but not too old compared to a lot of the other contestants that we have been putting forward here.
[00:36:09] Sean has said, you know, it would have to come down to like I have a family right now.
[00:36:14] I'd have to pray on it. It's up in the air.
[00:36:16] The fact that he's saying it's up in the air to me,
[00:36:19] I think helps considering that he has pretty much said a flat no before any of this stuff happened in 2019 and 2020.
[00:36:26] And maybe it's the shorter season, right?
[00:36:29] Maybe the extra two weeks that he wouldn't be have to be suffering out there and on the island.
[00:36:36] Maybe that's going to be beneficial.
[00:36:38] But I do think that this would be a season where he more likely could say yes to.
[00:36:45] I feel like it's monumentous. It's showing change.
[00:36:49] He was a part of change. He would like to get to experience the two worlds,
[00:36:54] I think would be really powerful. And I think that for his story, for himself in the Survivor world,
[00:37:01] I think that would be a really nice circle moment.
[00:37:05] Yeah, and I think as well it would be, you know, the show also kind of showing to him.
[00:37:09] Hey, you felt disregarded by us for various reasons like no,
[00:37:14] you have brought stuff that's been incredibly important to us that we have been able to implement to great effect in our show.
[00:37:21] You know, I think if anything, the show has more eyes on Sean now than ever because he was the one to sit down with them to show them like,
[00:37:30] yes, I still care about this show.
[00:37:32] I still care about the things that you are doing to the point that I will express how unhappy I am with the things that you are doing.
[00:37:39] I haven't really done any research to see like how Sean has responded in the past few years to everything.
[00:37:45] Again, a lot of the interviews that have been done with him have been largely before the diversity initiative was announced,
[00:37:51] but I would hope and maybe this is wishful thinking that if I'm Survivor production,
[00:37:57] I would consider Sean now more than ever just due to obviously not only the initiative proper,
[00:38:03] but the fact that this was somebody that was very recently in front of us.
[00:38:07] 100% and if they're having a season 50,
[00:38:11] I would hope that they were still taking into consideration the BIPOC, you know,
[00:38:16] the diversity initiative like that is going to be part of their casting criteria.
[00:38:21] So he would be a great representation in season 50.
[00:38:26] So I can't imagine them not thinking that he is like someone that they want to see as part of that season.
[00:38:33] Last person I want to talk about from this group is the man that Sean sang about for his demise,
[00:38:38] danced on his grave here, John Carroll, because John Carroll, you know, his presence obviously looms large in Survivor history.
[00:38:45] He was at least showcased as like the king of this alliance that got completely toppled and ended up with no clothes on,
[00:38:53] you know, crying in his final words about how much this experience had meant to him.
[00:38:58] He was someone that everyone was kind of rooting for their downfall,
[00:39:01] despite the fact that John claimed that Pascal and Nelia were rooting for his success in the game.
[00:39:05] It was quite the opposite. But Chantel, from a lens now,
[00:39:11] how much is Johnny Pots and Pans cooking for a chance to return?
[00:39:16] I think he has a good chance, to be honest.
[00:39:19] He was a villain who thought that he was the hero, I felt.
[00:39:26] You know, like he had this, you know, his group together and they were the good people and they were doing the work hard.
[00:39:33] And, you know, and then Busted Rob and Sean and they're all the bad people and they can't move and they can't win.
[00:39:39] And, you know, he had the story of being LGBTQ+.
[00:39:43] At that point, like one of the very first people that was representing on reality television.
[00:39:50] And so he had a really big story, I felt.
[00:39:53] And I think that he really believed he was going to win the season.
[00:39:56] And so I'm curious to see how he would play in this new era.
[00:40:01] I'm curious to see if he still cares about the show, if he's still been involved in competitive reality shows and watching stuff.
[00:40:07] I believe he did Sequester, right? Like during 2020?
[00:40:11] Yes, I do believe he did.
[00:40:12] Yeah, he did the all-survivor Sequester.
[00:40:14] I also believe in his quarantine questionnaire, he mentioned liking David vs.
[00:40:18] Goliath. So like it's clear he's watching Modern Season.
[00:40:20] I mean when he was asked by Dalton Ross, he was like an emphatic yes.
[00:40:25] He would absolutely love to do it again.
[00:40:26] So it's not a question from my perspective of what he'd want to do it.
[00:40:30] I think the question to me is like there have been now, John was sort of the progenitor of this,
[00:40:35] but now the halls of Survivor have been littered with these sort of power players that get dethroned.
[00:40:41] Does John Carroll sort of stand the test of time and could he be still in contention after all these years?
[00:40:47] I personally, I think so.
[00:40:49] Okay, for the fact that like we don't have that many people.
[00:40:55] Well, there probably are and I just can't think of them right now.
[00:40:57] There's so many seasons. I'm just like making these bold statements and I'm like probably completely wrong.
[00:41:01] But like I feel like I haven't seen someone like him in a while or like I or he's like the first version of this person.
[00:41:06] I would like to see how they fare in this new era,
[00:41:09] but like how are they going to be able to handle him being told people being told what to do and go get firewood
[00:41:14] and go get some, you know rocks or whatever like I don't know if people would really listen to him.
[00:41:20] So I am just curious to see how he would fare with people that are not going to be as malleable
[00:41:27] and not willing to listen to him necessarily.
[00:41:30] I want to see how if he can adapt if he was only able to do well as well as he did with this group of people in this time
[00:41:38] or if it's going to be transferable into a new era.
[00:41:41] So I'm just curious. I want to see how you play.
[00:41:44] We see if he's as non-transferable as that vote steal from Game Changers.
[00:41:48] Anything we want to go to dote on with Pascal the General, Tammy.
[00:41:52] I feel like you know, Tammy in particular was a great character won the Sue Hawk Award.
[00:41:56] I believe that Rosie O'Donnell crowned her at in the reunion,
[00:41:59] but I feel like especially in over 20 years later.
[00:42:01] I don't think these three and Zoe as well.
[00:42:04] These are they're not necessarily being considered for anything in my opinion.
[00:42:07] Zoe no, no way.
[00:42:13] Tammy maybe a little bit just for the fact that she was pretty strong physically and she was quite loyal.
[00:42:22] But you know, there's a lot of other people.
[00:42:24] I think that could fill her character description here.
[00:42:28] Pascal definitely lovable.
[00:42:31] He makes me wonder if they're going to bring back the the what's the when they bring their own thing from home?
[00:42:37] What's it called? The the the well, they call them now.
[00:42:41] I think like luxury, no, no, they were called luxury items beforehand.
[00:42:45] I feel like now they were they were called like, I don't know, like objects of affection or something.
[00:42:49] And then they still get to bring them. They brought they they'd still get to bring them.
[00:42:52] I think Korong is the only relatively modern season when we actually saw them on screen.
[00:42:57] Well, was it Angelina seeing her earrings were fishing hooks or was that was the PG PG brought?
[00:43:02] You know, we're had a flint in them and they were confiscated.
[00:43:07] Um, so I I just remember seeing his big flag and like he was able to win that challenge with having this big flag.
[00:43:14] It was just so like bright. So that was something that he contributed.
[00:43:18] I guess he's definitely very sweet.
[00:43:21] I liked his relationship with Nelia.
[00:43:23] I'm not sure if we need to see him again, but if he was like if he was doing a podcast about the season, I'd watch a pod,
[00:43:31] a pod cal if you will. Exactly.
[00:43:34] You could workshop that one. Thank you. And the general I'm good.
[00:43:40] I think we can pass on the general send him back into the foxhole here.
[00:43:44] And here we finish with our pre jurors.
[00:43:48] So I'll actually work my way up in this case.
[00:43:50] We have the holy man himself, Peter Harkie, Mama Patricia.
[00:43:55] We have Hunter, which I would say was definitely one of the rarefied first shock premerge boots considering he was the big strong leader of Mataama,
[00:44:05] which is probably the reason why he was booted. We have Sarah.
[00:44:08] We have Gabriel K, the poor sweet boy that was just totally out of his element.
[00:44:13] Gina Cruz, also a very fun underdog who made it all the way right before the merge.
[00:44:18] And of course, Boston Rob Mariano.
[00:44:22] So I don't know Chantel. I don't want to necessarily wield executive power too much.
[00:44:29] But is there something I can propose to you right now if you don't mind?
[00:44:32] Because there will be multiple chances to vote Boston Robin.
[00:44:38] This is a five-time player.
[00:44:40] I'm not going to put the cart before the horse of when we talk about Survivor Redemption Island.
[00:44:44] Suffice it to say, I think it will really be scrounging the bottom of the barrel to find people to bring on there.
[00:44:51] So unless you are like absolutely dying to put Boston Rob on the list today,
[00:44:55] I would put a pin in him until I can get to one of his other seasons and then vote him through.
[00:45:00] I would have to agree. I know that I was saying that I was I love Boston Rob this point.
[00:45:06] And I still do. But I do feel a that he likely will not even be asked to come on.
[00:45:13] He's just been doing so many things. So are you right?
[00:45:16] And then listen, the line from Boston Rob, which we can talk about during the Redemption Island podcast is he has said,
[00:45:21] I will only come back to play Survivor if there's like something special to it.
[00:45:25] If there's sort of like a new format to it, because now he's done it all.
[00:45:29] He doesn't necessarily want to come back again for the same old stuff.
[00:45:32] He's been doing for 100 plus days. Exactly.
[00:45:35] So I don't know if he's actually going to be on this particular list like in actuality.
[00:45:42] And so as much as I love him, I love seeing him play.
[00:45:46] I love seeing him on TV. I did just watch him on Deal or No Deal Island.
[00:45:51] And I don't I don't know if he needs to be a part of this group of people anyways,
[00:45:56] but he probably would get on the list and like for it to be voted on in his other four season or three seasons
[00:46:02] that he'd be voting for him. So I'm cool. Your proposal has been accepted.
[00:46:06] Oh, thank you very much. That's the true Kathy negotiation talk.
[00:46:09] Is there anyone else from this pre-merge group?
[00:46:12] I would imagine that nobody is necessarily someone that we're saying like we got to put on here or would necessarily be looked at.
[00:46:18] But is there anyone you want to highlight from these other six people?
[00:46:22] I mean, maybe Hunter, but there's going to be a few people like Hunter to to push forward.
[00:46:30] Yeah, there's another strong guy named Hunter who could have taken a spot.
[00:46:34] Exactly. But maybe him just because he would be the pioneer and it'd be kind of interesting to see this archetype of like the good old boy.
[00:46:44] I think is what that woman was called them that would be able to do all the fishing and the fighting.
[00:46:48] Like they could do everything. They're just so good at being that archetype.
[00:46:53] So maybe Hunter, but like his personality for me is like,
[00:46:58] so I feel like Hunter, the idea of him lingers more sort of like John, in my opinion,
[00:47:04] than him actually, even though John, I think is a much better character.
[00:47:07] You know, Hunter does sort of memorably on the way out, call them a bunch of knuckleheads that they're going to have to call in the Coast Guard to come get them once Maramo just ends up starving.
[00:47:16] So, I mean, the thing to take away from this cast is, in my opinion, Survivor Markets is a bit underrated.
[00:47:21] Like this is a pretty, pretty dang good cast, especially looking at this pre-merge group,
[00:47:27] like Peter and Patricia, such big characters.
[00:47:29] Sarah was one of these first examples of like someone who is consistently on the chopping block, but ends up getting saved every time.
[00:47:35] And of course there were whispers of, you know, her in Boston, Rob in the raft at night.
[00:47:41] Gabriel was someone that very much felt out of time, even though it's only a season for that.
[00:47:46] Like he very much had that season one mentality of I'm just here for the adventure.
[00:47:50] And so as a result, John decides to make this controversial move and cut him instead of a Sean or a Vesepia.
[00:47:57] And then Gina again, I think Gina was like a pretty big favorite at the time.
[00:48:02] I know she had been talked about a bit in those early days.
[00:48:04] I don't know what specifically in like the returnee way, despite the fact that she ended up in 11th place, you know, she certainly went to tribal council every episode except for one and she was just an absolute sweetheart.
[00:48:17] She's not exactly a personality type I'd like to see come back.
[00:48:19] But this is another reason why I like this exercise as well, especially with these old seasons, is to remind us of like how stacked some of these old seasons were in terms of casting.
[00:48:29] Definitely stacked. Like Gina specifically, I liked her, but I wanted her to work with Rob.
[00:48:35] Like, come on, like stop it.
[00:48:39] You know, I wish that Rob and Sean kind of weren't really on an island.
[00:48:42] Well, they were, but you know, with terms of being able to get people together, I know that they were really young and they're kind of bro-y and they're a little bit lazy.
[00:48:52] And so like that wasn't really, you know, the style of gameplay that people appreciated back then, especially if you're playing the game with them.
[00:49:01] But I wish that she was able to maybe bond with that young person group and maybe make something happen there.
[00:49:09] It just, yeah, it just sucked that she that, you know, I wanted to root for her, but she wasn't playing with the people that I was rooting for more.
[00:49:16] All right, Chantel, it is now our job.
[00:49:20] We review the cast of Survivor Marked Cases.
[00:49:22] We got to come up with a list here.
[00:49:25] Now, you know what Rob and I did was we made like a list of, OK, what's your three?
[00:49:29] What's my three? For the formality's sake, I think I would imagine there are at least two that you and I are both in agreement with should be on the list, which would be Kathy and Sean, correct?
[00:49:40] 100%.
[00:49:41] OK, so those two are definitive.
[00:49:44] Now we get into the rest of them.
[00:49:47] I think a couple names that have been thrown out would be Vesepia and would probably be John.
[00:49:54] Where are you sitting right now?
[00:49:57] Those are my two on the button, really.
[00:50:00] So with Vesepia, like obviously I would I want to see her play again.
[00:50:05] I just don't know if season 50 is the right season for her to play again.
[00:50:10] And with John, I think that I also want to see play again and he would be excited to play in that season.
[00:50:16] So I've kind of we need to figure out a way to decide between these two people because I would be happy with either of them being on the season.
[00:50:25] I would. Yeah, it's tough because I think Vesepia would be the one that idealistically I'd like to see more.
[00:50:35] I really like John and I love the fact that he's hungry to come back on.
[00:50:39] But I also feel like Vesepia right now, almost corollary to what I was saying about Sean, has one of the best chances of coming back.
[00:50:47] I think with the show giving a bit more of an eye to diversity, looking back on the first black person to win, let alone the first black woman to win could be this opportunity.
[00:50:56] You know, Vesepia actually compares her and like Marianne were playing together because they won 20 years apart from each other.
[00:51:02] And that would be kind of cool for season 50 to have that be something represented.
[00:51:08] OK, that's the thing is that look, does she does she have the most like sparkling personality from a winner perspective comparatively?
[00:51:14] No, but she actually compared herself a bit to like Danny Boatwright being cast on Winners at War of like if the theme fits it.
[00:51:21] And if you're bringing back a legend, I think you could define a legend as the first black person to win Survivor and arguably a reality show, depending on how you define it.
[00:51:32] Yeah, no, you're you're definitely swaying me.
[00:51:34] Your artful skills in negotiation are working.
[00:51:38] I learned from the best KVO. OK.
[00:51:42] You know what? In a season of people flipping and flopping, forever changing the course of Survivor history, I think it only appropriate that I do so as well.
[00:51:53] Why the hell not? Like Chantel, what are we doing here if we are trying to be like super realistic by the book?
[00:52:00] We want to be in a certain respect. But at the same time, if John Carroll is so on the fringe, I'd say why not welcome him in?
[00:52:09] You know, the barrier has already been broken. We bought a whole ass for people on for Survivor Borneo.
[00:52:15] I think we could extend a quarter of the cast invitation to Survivor Marquesas.
[00:52:20] Oh, OK. If we're having a fourth person, undoubtedly he's in.
[00:52:25] I thought that we're going to be you're going to be kicking out Vesephia for this position.
[00:52:30] If they're both included, I am more than happy because I do think that they both deserve and I would love to see the book play.
[00:52:37] So John Carroll, I did not want to piss you off for lack of a better term.
[00:52:42] I think you deserve a spot on the list. I think we want to see a second season out of you, but we'll decide if the fans will.
[00:52:49] Absolutely. And so, yeah, I forgot about the little pee pee part.
[00:52:56] And that's probably why Kathy's on the season. We have Kathy on the season. We could recreate it.
[00:53:02] The pissing moment. Did it really work? That's actually what I'd want to know.
[00:53:05] I believe that the myth is that it's not the best way to do it.
[00:53:09] But like, I guess if you're in a pinch, it may help.
[00:53:15] So I think it was really an any portentous storm for poor John Carroll.
[00:53:18] It's like you just say, let's try anything and something.
[00:53:20] And maybe the warpth of it would have been soothing to a certain degree.
[00:53:24] So we'll add John to the list of with Vesephia, Kathy and Sean to see if ironically enough, he will get a season number two.
[00:53:31] Ooh, ooh, ooh. There is one more thing that I want to bring up, Chantelle.
[00:53:40] A wild card spot, not for this, not for Survivor,
[00:53:44] but we have a lot of reality all star shows out there nowadays between traitors, the challenge, the goat, etc.
[00:53:51] If you could pick someone from Survivor Marquesas that you would want to see on one of those shows, who would it be?
[00:53:56] Why are we just omitting Boston Rob?
[00:53:59] Because I mean, yes, considering that he has literally done it.
[00:54:01] And I think also, yeah, I mean, like Boston Robin traitors has been a sentence
[00:54:05] that has been uttered countless times over the past six months.
[00:54:08] Exactly. So probably Kathy.
[00:54:14] If off the top of my head, I think Kathy would be really fun on both sides.
[00:54:18] Like I think she'd be a really strong faithful.
[00:54:21] She would probably get herself in trouble because she'd probably be right and she'd probably be loud.
[00:54:26] And the traders would be like, we got to get rid of her.
[00:54:29] And then as a trader, I think that she could be like, I think that she could actually also play the role as a trader.
[00:54:38] So, yeah, I right now first thought Kathy is where my mind goes.
[00:54:42] Yeah, I am thinking a little bit outside the box.
[00:54:45] I think that Tammy could be on like because she is apparently now like a hyper survivalist.
[00:54:50] I bet you could be on like one of those like race to survive or Bear Grylls shows where like she wouldn't be on like a beyond the edge celebrity version because I would not say she's a huge celebrity.
[00:55:01] But I think we could randomly see her pop up like remember when like Stephanie Gonzalez and and Missy from from Island of the Idols just randomly showed up on like that CW show that aired last year?
[00:55:14] Like I could see a survival show where Tammy just randomly winds up there.
[00:55:18] We're like, oh, look, I guess this is what Tammy's been doing.
[00:55:21] I mean, I can see Tammy for sure because we didn't talk about her that much.
[00:55:27] But I do think she was kind of like on the higher end of potential people that I could see cast on season 50.
[00:55:34] So her doing something else that would be I'd be interested.
[00:55:38] I'd watch it. I'd be shocked and surprised and pleasantly happy.
[00:55:43] All right. Well, hopefully you all are pleasantly happy with our our list.
[00:55:48] Well, as much as we may be on and off about this, go tender.
[00:55:51] You are the goat when it comes to talking about this.
[00:55:53] This was so great.
[00:55:55] Why don't you plug your social media right now for people who want to check out what you're doing?
[00:55:59] Sure. You can definitely can find me at ShanFranFran on Instagram.
[00:56:03] And then I talk a lot of the challenge content.
[00:56:06] It's the summer right now.
[00:56:07] So this is the summer of Love Island for me.
[00:56:09] So I generally do both Love Island USA and UK daily when I can on my channel,
[00:56:16] Reality Realist with three S's over there on YouTube.
[00:56:20] All right. Amazing. Tomorrow we are going to Thailand, much like Jack did in Loss.
[00:56:28] And we also have a regretful experience to talk about as we will be talking about the cast of Survivor Thailand,
[00:56:33] figuring out from there who should be on this list.
[00:56:36] Chantel, any wishful thinking, anyone you'd want to pick out of that particular group?
[00:56:41] I can't even think of the cast right now.
[00:56:43] I'm not like Rob when he went through all the names of everybody from every season.
[00:56:47] I'm like, I can't even can you can you remind me who's on it?
[00:56:50] Yeah. So like this is a Sheehan.
[00:56:52] This is a Brian Heideck season.
[00:56:54] We've got Jan, Helen, Ted.
[00:56:58] It's like I just remember these names. I don't remember their story.
[00:57:01] All right. Chantel pleads the fifth for the fifth season.
[00:57:04] So I have plenty to talk about tomorrow with David Bloomberg.
[00:57:08] Of course, if there's anyone to talk to about Survivor Thailand,
[00:57:10] it is the man that was there to see it all conclude.
[00:57:13] We'll be picking out some people from there as we conclude the first week of the Survivor Wishlist podcast.
[00:57:18] Of course, again, we'll be coming in your feeds every single weekday morning, 6 a.m. Eastern.
[00:57:24] Make sure you're subscribed. Rob has a website dot com slash Survivor feed.
[00:57:27] And of course, the video version is Rob has a website dot com slash YouTube.
[00:57:31] Let your thoughts be known. I'm sure you have them at this point and let them be heard as we continue through this very,
[00:57:38] very fun process. Thank you so much, Chantel, for coming on today.
[00:57:42] This was such a great time. I'll be back tomorrow with David Bloomberg to pick some people for Survivor 50 from the cast of Thailand.
[00:57:49] Until next time, everybody take care. Bye bye.
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