Survivor 50 Wish List | Ep 38: Edge of Extinction with Matt Liguori

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 Wish List Podcast. An off-season series

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that we're trying to figure out who could and should come back for the upcoming

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Returny season of Survivor 50 and did somebody say

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Returnees? Let's talk about one of the more recent return seasons in Survivor history

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: albeit one that is done in a very odd fashion across

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: multiple circumstances from the casting of

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to the core twist at its structure that for the first time since season 27

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: truly turns what it means to be voted out on its head and really for the first time in Survivor history produces its most

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: unconventional winner in Edge of Extinction

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and I am so excited to be joined by this guy because look

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: he is no stranger to people leaving the game and coming back again considering that he covers the challenge voluminously

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: over on the free agents podcast so Matt Liguori

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Could we just consider the Edge of Extinction a version of the redemption house with even worse resources than they usually do on the challenge?

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've seen a lot of people lose their minds in a redemption house

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen a lot of people look like they want to leave a redemption house. So the parallels are there

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never seen a ream in a redemption house. So

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Ding the bell but but yeah, absolutely. There could be some parallels there this season

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously was on my list of five to talk about just as far as modern season seasons go

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it kind of got glossed over so fast as we you know, it was like the setup for season 40 of

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know if this Edge of Extinction situation was going to work some will say it did some will say it didn't

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about that today

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But I did feel like in real time. It just got completely run over on the road to 30 no 40

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm mixing up my challenges and survivors now but on the road to 40 now we're working towards 50

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's a lot to get into here. Yeah, absolutely

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Again this season even in the moment was a little tough to pick apart

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there was again the advent of the Edge of Extinction which is sort of like

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Redemption Islands cousin and that again once these contestants are voted out

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: They still have a chance to get back in the game

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But unlike redemption Island, there wasn't necessarily a structured system where people would get progressively

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: eliminated it was just more so this

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Slowly accumulating exhaust feed of all these eliminated contestants where yes

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You did have the option to raise the right the white flag

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But pretty much you were just sitting there with meager supplies

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Occasionally you get a nice little game to play to earn an advantage for yourself to get back in the game

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but otherwise it was just

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Pontificating on the choices you made in the game and in your life and waiting for that grass ring to grab if we saw it get

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Grabbed twice so we had that unconventional aspect complete with some of unconventional filming aspects with the

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Super close-ups on the people in the Edge of Extinction just to remind you how intense it was then the post merge

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially from a storytelling perspective and maybe this plays better on a binge. I'm not sure Matt

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You can speak to this more than I can it's a little bit of an odd

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: pacing and storytelling where we suddenly get this streak where okay

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like comma is imploding on itself and Joe goes and Eric goes and Julia goes and the pilots and passengers

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But wait now when we're it's gone now David's gone now war dogs gone

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like we're getting the narrative building into this finale up. Okay, it's Rick Devins to lose

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He is a one-man wrecking ball though

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He has been sort of I would say surrounded by as many buildings as possible and has had to survive by

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Finding idols winning immunities and putting on shows at tribal council and then out of freaking nowhere

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Comes Chris Underwood the third boot of this season who we barely saw on the edge in the times that we saw the edge

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Returns to the game and produces maybe one of the best finale performances in survivor history from a singular

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Contestant considering the idols he comes in with the idol he finds and of course the move that has spawned a number of choices

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: To this day when it comes to final four fire making putting himself in

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: against the odds on favorite Rick Devins and

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: defeating him and it culminates in

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the wildest reactions to a win I have ever seen as again a guide that has played what cumulatively

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: 12 13 15 days of survivor ends up the winner here

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, definitely one of the weirdest seasons in survivor history

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: The pacing that you're talking about is exactly what I

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Experienced going back to revisit it a little bit just the whiplash of you know

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Especially now on a binge knowing what is to come knowing that you are spending this entire season watching tribal councils and strategy between

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: This group of players that none of them are going to be your winner and none of their stories

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately, you know sees the day at the end of the game

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're watching them and we're getting little bits of Victoria and Gavin and you know Lauren and you know

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: The returnies this is the season built around for returning players two of them go out in you know

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Aubrey and the pre-merge Joe a very quiet like exit as the merge begins

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they go out in their first tribal councils of the season

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And and then you have David and Kelly back to back in a 45 minute episode that's just completely

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Sped up and it's like whoa like what happened to the returnies and then it's like okay

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So let's focus on this group of newbies you have this like core group of like the younger ones of

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Victoria Gavin

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Aurora and Lauren that come together and you're like okay

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Which of these four are gonna run to the end and take it? Oh neither none of them

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's their opposition Rick and Rick is gonna take them all down

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no wait

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: There's Chris Underwood coming from the edge of extinction to completely make everything else that happened this season

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Completely null and void none of it matters besides you know what Chris did in the final hours at the game

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So to talk about you know who of these people will you know should get a chance to come back if you know

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Any of them get the calls there's a lot of cases for a lot of people out here

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Stuff left on the table for them because again

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the end game and the conceded the season in general was just so odd

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think to your point looking further into this cast as we're about to get into there are some diamonds in the rough

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there were some really interesting casting choices

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think to your point earlier the season kind of gets unfairly thrown out with the bathwater up like oh

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a terrible season because Chris Underwood won

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: There was some interesting stuff going on and especially some interesting past members

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna get into it starting with our all newbie final three crap if I'm wrong

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the first season where returning players play against newbie players and no returnies make the finals

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's yeah, though Chris Underwood is a returning in a manner of speaking considering that again

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He does come back into the game at the last possible opportunity and goes

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: To win and then of course we have the person who finishes second to him in the form of the pineapple shirt wearing himself

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Gavin and the jump ship lady herself in Toy maker Julie Rosenberg

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with Chris here Matt

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Chris again is somebody that I think from a survivor perspective is regarded as

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: To be candid one of the show's worst winners again

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the core conceded the show as do not get voted out

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: This was a guy who did get voted out and happened to come back into the game

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was voted out before the edge of extinction was known as a thing before it was revealed as an instantly iconic

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Moment and so he was able to benefit from that

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But I supposed to court war war dog the theme is not on trial here and Chris benefited from the season that he was put in

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And ordinarily I would be like I don't know if I necessarily need to see it

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He can have this fun little

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Mark on a fun weird season and we kind of move on from it

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But I gotta say Matt we saw Chris Underwood

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: on the challenge USA a season two and I

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Really liked him on the season

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean first off he obviously was a huge competitor

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He was one of the only competitors on the challenge to be in that rarefied air of winning for

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Individual eliminations and he beat everybody from CBS newbies to a

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Died in the wool veteran and legend in the form of West to defeat all

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Veterans in the final and go on and win the season

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Handily and so I'm wondering from your perspective

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there something there they are to having Chris go back to survivor improve himself now that he has a

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: 100% success rate on reality TV shows

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: There's definitely something to more Chris Underwood on some show

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the question and then obviously we like you said we had the opportunity to see him on the challenge and

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: At a certain point like you kind of wonder there's people like you know, I'm sure has been talked about with Michelle

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't you know quite heard that podcast as it hasn't come out yet

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_04]: About you know there she's getting calls from a variety of networks

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So does she answer a call over here a call over there? Can she make both work?

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know where the calls are going to come for come for Chris in the future

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But wherever they do come I am very open to seeing more

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously such a unique story as to how he ends up the winner of this season and you know

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He does his best to narrate, you know

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: What did happen to him?

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_04]: He failed to play the perfect game and he comes back and he's gonna do everything in his power

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Take himself to fire get to the end

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You know use the relationships that he built on the edge of extinction to go on and win the game

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's one of the weirdest if not the number one weirdest story of a survivor winner of all time

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know we end up season 40

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He's obviously not on the cast for winners at war and you know, it's like okay

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I understand that there was already ten compelling men that ended up on the cast there

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And not to mention I believe the story is that Chris had just gotten married

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that he did basically the night of his wedding. He got the availability call for winners of war and he's like

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I think life is getting in the way here a bit

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it's like

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Are we you know getting to season 50?

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You know when we're looking back at a season like this is that part of what the story that they're gonna want to tell in season 50

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like oh, yeah, we didn't get all the winners back last time

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we get back like two or three winners for this upcoming one will obviously there's a whole new era to go through

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But anyone pre 40

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Winners there's still a couple of options people that either didn't get the call or didn't make it on the cast could

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Crispy one of them I could see it but I do think that in general his more likely path to

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Succeeding as a reality TV star could and should be the challenge. I think he obviously succeeded over there

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: All the way as far as getting a win and showing

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Just I mean continuing survivor dominance over there as well

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But I do think that he gained

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: More more fans than he had even over here and that could be his path

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that definitely he has gleamed a lot brighter in the eyes of reality TV fans by showing

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What he could do I will also say I think maybe one of the reasons why Chris's win might have been a bit

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: unpalatable at the time as well is because you know

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of came across as a more milquetoes personality on edge of extinction

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He was pretty damn messy on the challenge USA. I mean one of the reasons why he gets thrown into

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically every elimination where he doesn't win the daily in the challenge USA after a certain point is because there's a certain time when

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, he tries to make alliances with a bunch of different people and everyone starts comparing notes and it all bounces back upon him

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just responds in one of the worst ways possible that it just becomes inevitable that this guy is now

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Public enemy number one for all the other guys, especially because it gets winnowed down to all the veterans plus plus Chris who have a

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: preexisting relationship so if he's able to bring a little bit of that drama as well

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not his business ventures considering those NSFW socks. Yeah

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He won the million but I there's something interesting to see him at least on reality. There was yeah

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: There was I feel like a lot of discourse around the time that he was on the challenge of like

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's very clear to see even further why he was voted out on day three

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's not to say that he's like, you know the worst social player of all time by any means

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But there was still a lot of room for improvement. That's a show where you know

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Just like the edge you can win your way back in he wins his way back in from four different

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Eliminations being on the brink of going home and ends up winning the entire thing like you said against like some of the show's biggest veterans

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: so let's move on to the runner-up and in some circles the

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Person people felt should have been the rifle winner of

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Edge of extension considering that he was not voted out

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Gavin here because it's safe to say Gavin had a very

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Understated at it maybe not compared to the person who defeated him in the final three

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But as somebody who lasted all 39 days

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He was certainly someone who was behind a lot of decisions being made but was never necessarily given the focus behind

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it was his personality him being a bit more laid back

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it was again them trying to focus on their

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Returnies and the bigger characters around them instead of the guy who ends up making it to second place

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But I always felt there was a super solid game behind Gavin Gavin was my winner pick for edge of extinction for that reason

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I always just felt like he had a good head on the shoulders that happened to be covered with flower tattoos

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Matt do you think given his run on edge of extinction? There is runway to bring him back for 50

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean to just get right into it. I want it

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I think absolutely there is you know when you talk about

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's the thing. I mean, it's the fact that to this day

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think people are talking about him and his story as much

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You know in as the time has gone on

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You look at like a Aubrey and Michelle and you know that discourse went on for years

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And probably is still going on in some corner of the internet

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not seeing that same kind of discourse about you know Gavin who was very clearly robbed in this season

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Had he get you know gotten to the end with Julie and you know whoever else

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean look if there's a world that Rick is still there

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Who knows you know what the deal is with edge of extinction depending on who came back who didn't suppose

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You're looking at a game that just doesn't have edge of extinction

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You have this group of four again that gets to the end these younger people

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Including Gavin Victoria a lot of them end up going out in such weird ways as the edge plays a factor with the Rick

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_04]: In Chris of it all at that endgame, but if they get to the end

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean people were talking about Victoria as being one of the biggest threats maybe Gavin cutser

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Who knows I mean between the two of them you're talking about two very robbed individuals in the game of survivor

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Just based on what survivor usually is versus what it was here

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So to give him that redemption arc and have him who you know

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: He already gets I think four votes in the finale, you know without Chris in the way could have been the winner of the season

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that there's definitely a story there. Yeah

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the only thing I would have against it is his edit was again. I wouldn't say like so minimal

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he was certainly as purpleed as some of his alliance members. I do think from a runner-up perspective

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: There are certainly people that are in that robbed category that got more of a story

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Aubrey his fellow cast member that speaks that even somebody like Chrissy to a certain extent that

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Might feel like there's more of a memorability to replace Gavin

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if we're obscuring all that though

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Gavin has one of the greatest appeals from a second chance perspective of like he basically had this

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Opportunity take it out from under him with Chris taking this unprecedented run in the finale

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: This is an opportunity for him to hopefully a play a game that is much less twisted and see if he can replicate that success

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I mean, you know, it's certainly not a one-to-one comparison by any means

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But just like this nice southern guy like you get a little bit of like JT in

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: When JT is first debuting on the survivor scene, but there's definitely no chance for that to really grow

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_04]: As his story and as the season story because there's so much else going on

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's a lot of you know a lot of love for Gavin from the people that he's playing with

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: When he has his family visit and Carly comes out and they're like everyone is like oh my god

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you guys are so cute

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_04]: He put his wedding on pause to come out and play survivor and get so close at the very end here

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And ultimately, you know again the EOE just runs over everything there, but I think that there is a lot more to explore

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: What about Julie?

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Julie is I would definitely say more of an up-and-down cast away than certainly Gavin who again was much more of a

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Stable force she is someone who felt on the outs of comma in the beginning as I

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Believe the oldest person on the season. She is as old as rain

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But certainly the oldest person on her tribe

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know she luckily is able to link up with Ron and benefits from the fact that I don't believe she goes to a tribal council in

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: at the pre-merge and then it gets to a point obviously during that huge pilot and passengers tribal council a

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Tribal council that was so live. It basically took up the entirety of a single episode of the show as she decides

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: She's gonna jump ship

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She causes so much calamity at that one evening that causes Julia to eventually go out

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But she does then get brought aboard on all of these votes with the exception of the wrong

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Vote so Julie is somebody who is a zero-vote finalist

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I've certainly seen people clamor for her to come back

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially with how unique of a player she was and her desire and ability to make moves. How much do you see it?

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I love Julie at the time loved her on a rewatch here. Absolutely loved her

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: My concern is that

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: There's just you know, even less discourse than the Gavin discourse of you know people that are out here looking for Julie to return

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't tell you again. How much I would love it like if she was on the ballot and she gets one vote

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It is coming for me

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But but I don't know it's just you know the story throughout the season

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_04]: She was such a scrappy underdog within her own

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Alliance within her own comma tribe that like they come in to it and Ron and Julie somehow get ostracized from everybody else

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, it seems like the younger people kind of stick together and push Ron and Julie out

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Rick ends up being Julie's like closer ally

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a point where he I think he played an idol on her towards the end game

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you know, everybody else is kind of duking it or no actually he didn't play the idol

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_04]: He teased that he was going to and that's when they end up voting Aurora out

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, but she is so much fun that tribal with I'm ready to jump ship and she goes and sits on David Wright's lap

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's like yeah L is going on here so much fun

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Just such a she emerges at the merge

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: After having been a lot quieter in the early part of the game. Well, when she showed up

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: She's isn't she the one she was like I peed in Central Park like oh, yeah

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: She's she's just such a fun lady

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I would love to see her again in some capacity if nothing else

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think a survivor mothers versus moms definitely cast her right. I think right

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember if we did but yeah, it could be her versus Monica Cole pepper as survivor fun

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Ladies ladies love to see it

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Well, let's move on here to I would say our jury

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, we have a gigantic basically everyone in the cast stands too

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So these are the eight people that were eliminated after our final three

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I should say so we have two of our attorneys in David Wright and Kelly Wentworth

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We have the war dog a man who comes in and is as enigmatic with his nickname

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone that could throw around a bunch of numbers but couldn't up for a sandbag

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a legendary teacher Ron Clark one of the big pieces of celebrity casting in the latter 30s

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We have the aforementioned Aurora who again suffers from being a little bit purple

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though she does have this this really fantastic story about you know, her own childhood and now that's inspired her career in law

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We have then of course the three people eliminated

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: In the finale of Victoria the person that was running a lot of comma and post-merge to your point until we hit this point

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Where criss comes back and then everyone turns on her

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We have Lauren O'Connell someone that was consistently an underdog

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it was going from Manu to Lesu to just withering away to the point of passing out during a challenge before

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: She is finally taken out at the final five where she's idled out over Chris

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But the person we need to start with

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Matt is

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Despite the fact that edge of extinction has sort of become

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: With no offense Victoria kind of the redheaded stepchild of modern day survivor

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: One character has emerged

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think as the person everyone remembers and I would argue far and away the main character of edge of extinction

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Rick

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Devons Rick gets voted out forth when basically the Lesu tribe, which is only Manu people is forced to go once again and it's actually

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So terrifically tragic season series of scenes where everyone's just so sad about having to cut one of their own and they

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Decide to do it with Rick Rick does come back into the game and again

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The entire narrative basically for the latter half of the season is

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Rick trying to claw his way out of a grave that everyone is piling dirt upon where he's

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Finding I believe a record tying number of idols. He's winning immunity

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He's having halves of idols given to him and trying to find people to glom on to whether it's David

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's Julie whether it's Chris when he comes back

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And he is making a show at tribal council as well

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know despite the fact that he doesn't really have a lot of voting power in the game

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He certainly is making it entertaining for people that are just mere voyeurs at this moment and would have a vote on the jury

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And so the viewers came into this finale myself included thinking

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is set up for rick to win on top of the fact that he was getting

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Far and away the most amount of airtime in this season

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That all stops short when chris enters the game

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Helps him then hurts him and sends him out

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think rick is you know when we talk about the people especially post heroes healers hustlers who have not come back

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Just due to the lack of returning player seasons rick is somebody that tops a lot of people's lists

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Not only for the entertainment value

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He provides not only for the fact that this is a guy that will hustle that will find idols win immunities, etc

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But really matt the smoking gun is for the second season of on fire with jeff cropes

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They decided to enlist having an alumni come on as a third chair and the very first person

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They went to out of hundreds of survivor alumni over 20 years was rick devins

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then all of a sudden people were like he's taking over as the host after jeff cropes is gone

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Like where is this coming from? He's hosting a podcast

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then was promptly you know booted from the seat there not because of him

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Just because that way they were going to rotate that seat the dee comes in the next season. So, you know, uh, okay very

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously rick is

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Beloved by not only production by jeff by so many fans

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's so interesting with rick. Is it not because he's also

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So polarizing that as many fans love the guy

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Many fans don't care for the character. I will say

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's whether you want to look at it as like facebook versus twitter or whatever, you know

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: However, you want to split it all that's a survivor season coming up

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Or I guess we'll be meta versus x

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't want to think about that either

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: The the fan base at large on rick devins is one of he's one of the most, you know

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Polarizing players as far as that is concerned of the amount like the you would have to imagine

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I have to imagine that the exact same amount of people that enjoy rick as a character on survivor

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: The same amount of people seemingly do not

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's it's almost at a point where as i'm like making my list here and talking through to myself

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You know who's going to be on this list? It's it's like it doesn't matter what I think it doesn't matter

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what world i'm coming in here whether I am pro anti having rick come back

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's not going to make a damn difference what I have to say about it

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you have to say about it because rick is going to be on that short list of who they're going to call

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: The only world that he is not on that list for them is if they you know have decided at some point that

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's only new error players. That's the only way that rick is either not getting a call or not out there

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously whether he accepts that call you would imagine he will

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that to him and what's going on with him in his life?

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean this is a man who comes in you know has been in front of a camera for a long time as his career as a

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: newscaster

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So he comes in knowing how to have that smile ready to go for the camera

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_04]: How to do as much as you can to entertain in front of a news camera let alone a survivor island of

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: production cameras and all that kind of stuff so he comes in just so prepared for

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Creating stories and creating entertainment and whatnot and again it worked for a lot of people

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't work for a lot of people which made him so polarizing

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder as well

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: How rick would be received?

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Assumingly on another season with a much lesser edit

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, which even a much lesser edit for rick would probably still be

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: fairly middle ground of survivor

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: contestants where and listen, I don't want to necessarily broad brush

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: This is why people don't like rick

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think a lot of it probably came from the fact that he felt a little overexposed as well that we got

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of rick and there's a definitely a crowd even back during the days of rustle where people loved rustle

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there was certainly a corner of survivor fan base. That was like we don't just want to see one person play

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor there are x amount of contestants out there

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see as many of their stories as possible

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I would also be intrigued to see how rick would do on a second time in terms of

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think there was to a certain extent in his post merge game as well him playing with house money where I think

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He was much more out in front. Obviously he was showy at tribal council

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he was also sometimes pretty brusque with other contestants as well

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: There's that seamer. He's walking with war dog and war dog's like all right

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So here's what the plan is. What do you think it ricks? Like oh, I love that plan. Wait a minute psych

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that plan. I'm not working with you anymore where I think maybe rick's social game was not

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Incredibly top tier just because of the way that he regarded other people that were both in the game and joining the jury

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But I still think that this is one of the stars of the latter day 30s

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's a best to never win season

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: There's gonna be a lot of people to pull from that as well

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Both old era and new era and I think especially from a popularity perspective rick would stack up to be a part of that cast

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and look the good news is for anybody who is uh, not looking to see rick back

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you have to have people to root against when these new seasons come up

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you can't just like everybody it's gonna be a painful

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you look at like a winners at war. You gotta have one two three people

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I can think of that you're rooting against throughout the season maybe more

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so, you know, if that's you if you're in that camp then, you know, there's your story

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise if you are a rick fan then you can be pretty happy to know that he will absolutely be in the mix

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: For this upcoming season. All right. Well, let's take one step to his right here

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Go from the kool-aid man to a tall drink of water in the form of

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Lauren O'Connell now Lauren was super young when she played she was only

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: 21 she was I believe a student at the time

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: She is someone who has certainly remained active in the alumni community

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She habitually hosts parties alongside Kelly whenward that's been one of the sweetest things coming out of this season is to like

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Watch these two actually emerge from the game with an incredibly close

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: friendship

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And some have felt that she was a little robbed given the fact that chris comes in with an idol and then finds another one

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on bringing back lauren for time number two matt?

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I really really enjoyed lauren the first time around

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm already worried because I am pretty sure that there's a small limit of spots available

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That we're gonna have to put people through here. So when I you know really look into it

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a hard time seeing lauren make that top top tier of who uh, you know from this cast will

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You know should get that call will get that call

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But that is absolutely not to say that I didn't you know enjoy her so much on her first time around watching

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean look I am a kelly wentworth boy through and through so watching kelly have a built-in ally of this person who comes in being like

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I love kelly wentworth and joe, but you know she loves kelly. I did I did like that first confessional when she's reenacting joe coming over the book of

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that joe?

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It will unfortunately I think due to pure stamina being the most energized lauren will be all season

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But I really enjoyed her as a character. Yeah, she was a lot of fun

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But as far as like, you know top picks it's not necessarily there

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I definitely enjoyed going back and seeing her again though

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: What I will say is of course throughout this process

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We're also clocking the returning seasons and trying to figure out how much common dna is there to crack into

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What might make a season 50 cast?

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say lauren could also fill an archetype that seemingly takes up every single returning season which is

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: young attractive athletic

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: woman

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that lauren could be someone that just like shows up on a survivor 50

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she made it all the way to fifth place

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is a definitely a deep run and so could have

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: At least more talking points to her than maybe some of the people that were casting game changers as an example that

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't honestly not be surprised if she shows up in survivor 50

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Just because of kind of the boxes that her archetype checks see my thing is just that I think if we're getting

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: One person in a somewhat similar archetype from this cast. I think it's the person to her right

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about her. Let's talk about victoria. Love you beymond

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: so

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Victoria yeah for a while we just thought of her as

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You know someone that was there

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the most noticeable thing about her for a while was why is she wearing a wool beanie on a tropical island in the ocean?

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But she really puts a hat on a hat when she goes to her first tribal council and from our perspective

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: She helps lead this blind side of a three-time player in albry with an idol in her pocket

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think immediately puts herself on the map as someone that is

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: More than willing to play the game and we see that again throughout the post merge that victoria

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure, you know with the exception of rick

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Idling himself out is and obviously her own vote is in the right on every single vote

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: She cast there was that weird uh split tribal council where she does

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Flip in the revote to get out wendy when it turns out to be a tie vote

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: but

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: victoria was somebody that was

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly in the know on everything that was going on in the post merge

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely a mover and a shaker and yeah

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I know especially after the fact a lot of the fan base was

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Upset at the fact that it felt like her game was one of the ones that got cut shorter than it should

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: With the fact that chris not only comes in but has sort of a built-in idol that he can utilize as well to get himself to five

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And victoria is one that even throughout the beginning phase of the game before you even get into the

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You know the the part of the game that the post merge and

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Seeing who the real contenders are to win. She's somebody who you see in the comma stages that has her hands

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_04]: All over the place. She knows what she's doing. She's got people in her corner

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Specifically with the aubrey of it all she is like the one that you know

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: She's very aware of what aubrey is trying to do in the game and from even I think it was like episode two

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You have aubrey coming to her being like we're good, right girl

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And aubrey's kind of doing that with everybody

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But so she clocks that she puts it in her pocket and says when I need to make a move on aubrey

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I will we get to the swap

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_04]: End up in a situation where like you mentioned uh, wendy is is now a part of their tribe

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's got eric and gavin alongside her who both guys that she really has trust in from the early comma days

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, all right. This is the time to take out the returnees. This is a cast

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, we're kind of touching on it earlier

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But this is a cast who does what we scream at other casts to do and get the returnees out of the game

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm not necessarily screaming that here. I would have loved this to be a kelly wetworth win

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But uh, you know, that's what you need. That's what you want to see returnies do

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry newbies doing for themselves getting the returnees out of here and victoria had aubrey clocked from day one

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_04]: She wasn't looking to go far with joe and you know by the time that it comes around to take out kelly and david easy easy get out of here

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think victoria is somebody who again, maybe the more casual fan base wouldn't necessarily remember

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But I know for the past five years

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of the community has said she is somebody alongside someone like loren and maybe even gavin who they thought

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Have their chances cut out from under them due to all the stuff that happened in the finale and the edge of extinction and game run

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think given the gamesmanship. She showed over the course of the season

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: She's somebody who could be a lot of fun to see in another environment

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And I also think one of these returnies where

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I would not say she is top of mind in terms of her reputation proceeding her that she might be able to replicate her success

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Should you get a second chance? I think so. I think she had a very good head on her shoulders

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she's very smart. She recently did the podcast with kellen where she was reality

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's talking through you know, kind of where she's at in life sense being on survivor

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and you can just hear like the growth and maturity and you know

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know even just anybody in their 20s that goes on survivor just a couple years later a couple more years of experience

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: She talks about some therapy and whatnot that you know

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Has helped along the way and has put her in an even probably better place today to go out and you know

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Go all the way again and and potentially get a win this time. I can absolutely see it

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: All right

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's move to the other end of this slide and we've talked about the returnies enough

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: it's finally time to mention them because

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We have some like odd loose ends to tie up here matt legoria

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I apologize that it sort of has been thrown on your doorstep

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is what happens when you live in the neighborhood at number 38 on wishlist drive here because we have our two

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Manu captains in the form of kelly and div. That's the other weird thing about this as well

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that all the previous like captain seasons had one returning per tribe?

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: This had two and maybe it was to like give each other a better chance of getting far

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though the two of them pretty much go after each other right away from the get-go

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But we have went worth. We have right and so kelly

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Sasha joseph did punt to this podcast

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: She felt that it would feel kind of weird to put her on specifically for san one dole sore given the fact that

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she really comes into her own during cambodia. I said that okay, listen

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We can write her in for edge of extinction. I'm sure the person covering it would be fine

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I assumed I was not speaking out of turn there

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course not. I mean look where I'm at

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: With this is of course like there's no world where I'm coming at here saying, you know, no, we're done

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: We're good with kelly

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Not only has you know, first of all check the receipts been a went worth boys since day one

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You know san one del sore day one. Wow, that's like 10 years of membership

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It is and you know the the gold card came in the mail and I'm going to hold on to it

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But um, you know to this day there was a time where I don't know if it was right after

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Her appearances or whatever that she didn't seem like she was hopping on podcasts or anything super frequently

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, oh is she like, you know done? I mean good

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody take a break. If you know if you need it, that's good

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Fantastic

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But then has immediately jumped back into the world of like the tick tocks the instagrams

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_04]: To talk about the show in a variety of ways which all that to say tells me that went worth would be down and would accept the call

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: She told me as much when I asked her directly. Uh, she basically said like it's not 100 no

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a guaranteed. Yes. I'd have to think about it

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean the the call needs to be there and it needs to be accepted kelly if you're listening

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: The the thing for me is just as far as sasha. Thanks for uh for throwing extra numbers in the boat over here

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course again, I'd love to have kelly on the list and she will be on the list

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's so many other people here as well that I want to get on

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So if kelly had already been on it would have made my life a lot easier at the end of this podcast

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, but it's okay. I can't be mad at sasha literally ever so well

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about the other person though because I would not say that david right was necessarily guaranteed a spot either

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: What I said was that we would re-approach the conversation because to your point about this season there were other people

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, who had not made appearances says millennials versus gen x that ali lasher and I felt okay

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We want to put on the ballot here

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And so david right we decided to re-examine the conversation and obviously

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: The run is not as deep much like kelly as that fallen angel spot one of the main character spots in millennials versus gen x

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But due to the fact that manu just kind of sucks as a tribe, you know

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He basically goes to every tribal council in the pre-merge except for one

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: He certainly pops out and is mainly at the forefront which again makes it even more shocking as to why he randomly gets taken out

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: in a 45 minute double boot episode

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What would your thoughts be on a david right 3.0 because I would say compared to when we're he's definitely the hungrier to come back

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that like from what he said or yeah quarantine questionnaire?

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He was very much like salted. What were they saying about me? Are they saying there's another returning season?

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Very much tongue-in-cheek, but yeah because you would imagine especially just given how much the edge wore down at everybody that you think

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, all these people are done

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But no it really does seem like and david will always have survivor in his heart. He's still in good shape

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he is you know 50 years old at this point, but he's more than willing to do it

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah back in the the good old days of having survivor reunions even when they're 15 minutes at the end of an edge of extinction season

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Probes to mentioned well david's now in the writer's room writing some show alongside cocker in or something like that

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So i'm thinking well, okay same path as cocker in like I guess he's just done

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: He's probably good. He's got his career set up and you know, he got what he needed out of survivor

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I I gotta say, you know, there's four

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Returnies on this list and if we're narrow here ourselves down to uh somewhere in the in the realm of five

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_04]: If I have to pick one see one returning from here

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It's gonna be kelly for just for me and as far as david and his story goes

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean not to say that like there's no more story to tell but it felt like we got a good conclusion as a survivor character is concerned

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: He you know comes on to millenials versus gen x this guy that's afraid of his own shadow

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we get the machete chop and he jumps 10 feet in the air

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And comes out here and shows a lot more like confidence within himself in his game

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's playing alongside rick and he's like very carefully trying to figure out how to get kelly out of the game

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Regardless of if you think that that's a good move for a returning player and another returning player

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: He felt like kelly was a big threat or maybe the trust just wasn't as there as he would like it to be

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And he does a very good job at you know managing when he should get her out

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: There's that tribal council where uh, i'm ready to jump ship from julie gets them back on the same page for one vote

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Because otherwise the war was happening right then and there

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that was one of my favorite moments was when uh, david just taps kelly on the shoulder and she turns around and goes

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Remember me and she goes yes, david of course

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Um just a very cute moment between the two of them. But again as far as like where we are today

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He's at the top of my list if he showed up there

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I yeah, absolutely not against it, but I think that

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, we talk about people getting their second chance and he's like the one returning here

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's on his second chance not his third?

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, sure he could get that third chance, but I think a lot of people I'd like to see get a second chance first

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's tough. I mean we talked about this very millennials versus gen X if there was again a theming of

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Best to never win I could see him and kelly bull

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Show up because again david maybe had a little bit of a lower showing in edge of extinction

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean he was the odds on threat to win not unlike rick in millennials versus gen X

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So the point where it was like a big herculean effort on adam and hannah's part to convince

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Ten to betray his number one ally. So that's the realm where I could really

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: See it happening and you know, it's tough for me to be like david's already had enough chances

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He does need to come back for a third versus like kelly. She could come back for a fourth

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll approach this at the end

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I could get finagle did doing some houdini magic and you know

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh put david on in a different circumstance, but I wanted to approach that subject with you

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: let's touch upon the rest of this group because

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: War dog and ron

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if survivor 40 was some sort of like

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: 30s returnie season there would have been a good shot for both of these guys, of course ron clark's

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Reputation proceeds him. He's known as a guy that kind of changed the game when it came to teaching to the point where the late

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Matthew Perry stars in a biopic about him and his unconventional ways of teaching and getting students involved

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And the war dog again gets a lot of attention early on from just being part of this losing tribe

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Ends up leading the charge to take out kelly only for him to get immediately blindsided afterwards

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But certainly somebody that uh, you know as re would say right was oil and water with certain contestants

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It was not afraid to be outspoken

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But i'm intrigued matt as we're looking back across the spectrum of survivor

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Are these guys that you would want to see back for 50 or do you think this might be the case where

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: These are guys who are kind of already being covered on their archetype by other players

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that that's the case for war dog. Um, I don't think that's the case for ron

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like ron is such a unique person and I know i'm saying that about a person

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not named the war dog as a unique person

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But ron is ron was so much fun on this season

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He comes out, you know right away with it with the comma dance of it all keeping the vibes nice and high

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody loves him and as the game goes on you see how he fades away from the rest of the group

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Alongside julian becomes this outcast of people being like well, we can't go that deep into the game with ron

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: He is so likable and if he gets deep into the game, you know, he's gonna end up winning

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So while he struggles with that to see, you know

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_04]: How he can find a find footing back in the game because he went out there not just like in the same kind of

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Realm was like a mike white like he wanted to do well

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to play the game

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Succeed and and go on and get a winner. Maybe mike, you know gave that dream up at a certain point

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But um as far as ron is concerned, I would love to see him back

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I do worry that, you know

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Time has kind of put him towards the back of the line

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you said if this was strictly about like players in the 30s, I think he's absolutely there

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It might be a different story now, but he is the one that I would like to see

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not to mention he is someone that has kind of served to your point in an era a new era of no

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Live reunions as like sort of the halfway house for the cast

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We're now they'll commonly have viewing parties at the ron claire academy at a certain point

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where the vast majority of these cast get together

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you could also argue in a new era season

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He might be someone that has the most cachet as a pretty new era player considering that

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He probably has relationships with a good amount of them

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I I just wonder he is hungry to come back and

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see him back, but I would say out of everyone on this season. He may be like

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Sixth or seventh on my list, you know, this was a guy who had a lot of fun energy

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know the the comma dance gift is one of like the top ones that always shows up on my feet every time

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I type survivor into it for whatever reason

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do feel like this was a guy that kind of like

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Had moments of fits and starts when it came to his edit

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He finds the advantage menu in the marooning and then nothing really comes of that

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And he fades to the background

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he pops up with julie jumping ship and then kind of fades to the background again

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He pops up with winning the loved ones visit and then immediately gets voted out

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do wonder again from a memorability perspective

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Does his name carry more from outside of survivor versus in survivor?

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that's possible

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I would have loved to see you know the world where ron goes deep because I feel like I don't

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if this is a good comparison

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But just like maybe there's a little bit of like survivor australia george deep down somewhere in there

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_04]: That like could have been you know a world if he like you know

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Does have the numbers by his side or maybe a little bit more of that killer edge

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe a lot more to get on george's level

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_04]: To you know just eviscerate the competition on the way towards the end game

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It just unfortunately, you know the tide completely turned away from him

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that there is a world where he comes back and it just goes so hard playing this game again

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Last and unfortunately at least I would say just in terms of consideration

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean no offense to aurora. She's someone that is still

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly involved with the community is very active online and again has this this really incredible story that i'm glad

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She was able to tell at some point to the point where she does actually end up getting see a money from this season

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like due to her edit and maybe the characters around her

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: She would be someone especially from this group of eight that I would not imagine would get asked back

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's unfortunately like players that I think come off the show

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know everybody's gonna have the hope that that call will come someday

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But there are players that probably like go through a very tough time of watching the show back

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Seeing how insignificant their edit is and realizing like live in that moment that there's a very low chance that they end up on a list of people getting a call back someday

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's obviously unfortunate for a lot of people like aurora in that spot

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's just that's that's the reality of the situation. That's just you know, the edit was quiet

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It was it was it was pretty much like nothing all the way through and then at a certain point when we really hemmer home

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_04]: We need to get rick devans out aurora is like the main cheerleader of all that like she goes out saying

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You know you guys got me but get him out next and rick's like still like you're gone

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're still trying to push for me to the meme of the uh, the cat sitting at the dinner table

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she is just she's on top of uh, you know trying to get that that ball rolling eventually

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You know it takes chris underwood coming back to do that

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But um her edit in the game her story in the game, uh, was just very uh quiet and you know

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_04]: the fact that

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Not any I don't think any uh casuals are remembering that this is a person who played survivor

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately. All right. Well, let's segue into our first seven boots of the game if we sort of rejigger things where we take

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: rick and chris out working our way down

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We have the victim of pilots versus passengers in julia

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We have uh, eric the person that's unfortunately more so on the aurora side of memorability

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: We have of course one of our returnees in joey amazing

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We have big wendy who I would say was probably the star of the pre-merge considering how

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Chaotic before she was we have of course our first returning boot of the season in our three timer aubrey

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We have keith come on god, but

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We got to start with somebody here because look when I gave my first boot mount rushmore during the philippine's podcast

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll admit there were plenty of people in my mentions being like where's ream, dude

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And i'll admit it's because I kind of don't consider ream a first boot considering that she is

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The the only first boot to make it all the way to the finale and sit on a jury

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We get a full season of ream despite the fact that she is voted out first

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But still regardless a top tier character and definitely one of the sources of entertainment in this season

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. I mean

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Rhap alone, you know got enough content out of ream to last a lifetime

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: We're still getting you know come on dude like drops, you know, just whenever it comes up

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah on the soundboard for rob

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Just so much gold there as a television character as a person playing this game when she gets voted out. She's

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Devastated because like she you can like you could tell like any of us would be so lucky to spend a day with ream

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And these people that spend a couple of days with ream are like, oh, she's so bossy

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She's moving our clothes around this and that and ribs like what is wrong with you all like what did I do?

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And she she gets to the edge

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_04]: She's trying to understand what she possibly did wrong and then like it just snowballs into all of these people coming

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And complaining about what happened to them and being her being like you think what happened to you was bad

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been here since day three

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Over nothing. I folded some clothes wrong and people are upset with me. So I thought it's someone had a swim

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Just you know the well one of like one of the one of the if not the number one biggest

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: pre-merge characters truly of all time let alone, you know the more recent era

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's it's gotta be because she lasted an entire season

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know Jeff is going to reference one of her catchphrases

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_01]: In that final challenge to get back from the edge

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And so just due to again these very special circumstances ream is a very special first boot

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And I would argue one of the most memorable first boots in survivor history that has still stood the test of time over the past

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Five years when asked if she would come back. Of course, everyone here was basically an emphatic

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but ream was someone who was a little bit on the side of like I don't think it'll ever happen

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But if they call me sure

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. I mean again

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the theming of survivor 50 could be to the point of the net

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We passed wide in this wish list

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But if it is sort of like if they bring in some random standout characters of the latter day 30s

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Where no returnies have really come back

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a sizable chance ream could show up there. She's at least like a second tier returning maybe third tier returning in my opinion

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I think even over the returning players that are on this season. I think she's the number one most likely pick

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow of who would end up on the season

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I know that you know again

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: She and her sound sound drops and everything have made such a bigger impact probably within our podcast community than

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe was it was the case on the show?

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But jeff was having fun with ream and you know just this is this is not a person that you just let you know

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Happen on one season and you completely forget about forever

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Like there has to be an availability call and I don't know

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I haven't done the the math to like work out

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You know who else in her archetype is going to be in the running especially from the seasons in the 40s

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_01]: There will be a good amount of she's 53 right now

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so there will be a bunch of other moms that are in consideration for the same kind of spot that ream is looking for

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_04]: To be filling but I do think she has to be at the very top of that list truly

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think she is somebody who makes the edge of extinction

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously rick and chris are going to prove the theme by laying

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know gangway in their various runs on the season

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact of the matter is I do think if ream is not one of the first people to go there

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a good amount of entertainment that is lost on the edge that it really just becomes

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Alone the series where these people are suffering on a remote island

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And we take a brief break away from our social strategy game to check in on these poor starving people

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Ream at least brought the conflict and the drama and to your point the comedy as well that she really was

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They talk about the mayor of ponderosa ream was the queen of edge of extinction where she just had this long rule

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_01]: over this stretch of

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's the the episode where kelly goes out and then kelly shows up at the edge and kelly's down

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody shows up at the edge and they're all down and defeated and ream takes this opportunity to be like kelly

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You know i'm freaking pissed at you dude like you like you made my life hell in those first couple of days

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're the reason i'm here kelly's like i'm sorry ream like you know kind of go and through something myself right now

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And ream's like I don't care man like you voted me out. You got me eliminated

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Just tv gold

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_01]: To doad upon our two other attorneys that get booted here

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this during the world apart podcast

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine due to joe's extremist social media activity and statements that

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Production would not necessarily want to break him back even due to his popularity even at the edge of extinction reunion

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Where like the crowd is cheering him on to come back

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Albury is someone who you talk about that debate of michelle versus albury

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Cursed in it shows to choose michelle over albury to put on the ballot and albury is somebody who yes has come around to be like

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I would never say

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: No completely to coming back to survivor again, but it's definitely I think

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Cooler on coming back then went worth or david right. How would you feel about an albury 4.0?

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we're good. I think she's good. I think we're good

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the story has happened, you know three times through and especially on this third season that she competed on

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously going out in a much less

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_04]: A less than ideal way for her as a player

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm sure she would love to get like redemption on that

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04]: but like, you know, we we have seen I think so much of albury over the course of three seasons that I

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Truly in the same kind of realm as david

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I don't know what story there really is left to tell

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Before a lot of other people get their second chances. So that's just kind of where I'm at

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Doting upon some of these other people in this slide, you know, julia obviously had an incredibly rough go and

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I am so happy that she spoke out when she did about what happened with her

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Story about why perhaps her quite at it was due to factors that were not seen including, uh, you know

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Some incredibly unfortunate circumstances involving joe

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think unfortunately due to that and her kind of pulling the curtain back

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I do not think she would be someone that would get invited back

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But julia has also gone on to do awesome stuff with her life where she has gone to and maybe

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Graduated med school if i'm remembering correctly. So check julia out on social media. She's doing some great things

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Eric is somebody who I think unfortunately much like aurora seems like a really great guy but is way too quiet of an edit

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: To get a nod here in my opinion and when we talk about keith and wendy

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: There is always the discourse especially nowadays of okay with the way jeff feels about quote unquote quitters

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Would they ever get brought back and it's tough because like yes, they quit the game

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But they basically had the option to with the edge of extinction

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they were given an outright out to say if you want to leave at any time you can and for them

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I sort of like i don't know

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Respect their decisions to a certain amount for them being like yeah, there's not a chance. We already lost the first competition

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not here to last another 10 12 15 days just to lose again with all these other meat heads

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That are going to get voted out in the post merge. I think we're good

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if there was one of the two to come back it would be wendy

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: wendy is someone that expressed that she would like to come back and

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this woman was just mayhem incarnate down to hiding the flint

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And basically threatening it should she get voted out?

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, wendy is the type of person that makes me wish survivor did what big brother does as far as having

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Past players come back to like host a competition because while I don't think there's a world that we

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Get a wendy 2.0, especially after like you mentioned being one of the two people to raise the flag and say, you know

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm good with the experience here

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Just such a big fun character

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Releasing the chickens in that episode like whoa like what what an episode that was what a moment?

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And just you know everything she opened up about her experience with Tourette's and everything just like a very compelling

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Human being on this show would love to have had her back on like a season

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know somewhere in the new era just like coming in literally to host a competition and leaving if survivor

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Ever did something like that. But as far as a return appearance. I I don't know, you know, she's probably

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_04]: She's she's the top half of my list of you know people from this cast but like towards the bottom of that top half

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe they should have done a competition because they did this in vanuatu of like instead of herding sheep

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to herd chickens and maybe wendy would be the host of like I let so many chickens in this head

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to be the one to crowd them all and the winner gets the chickens unless I let them go again

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_04]: The the tie in wendy dual hosting of that of that challenge would be uh something

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. I was like no no no don't hurt them too much

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Please exercise calm this yes. Yes. Yes. All right. So matt

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah it comes down

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: To this we have reviewed every member of the cast of edge of extinction

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's time to figure out who we want to put on here

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think save to say you want to put kelly wenworth on you you want to make sure you count as part of the five

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Here she should be on the list

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, of course Kelly should be on so we'll throw kelly on there

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll circle back to david in a bit put a pin in him. Let's talk about some of these newbies

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I think again regardless of how the community feels on there

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Rick is one of the more locked-in modern era picks that we have seen from this group of seasons

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I I do think he's going to be on the list here from both a realistic perspective as well as a fan vote perspective

[00:57:41] I

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I came into this podcast knowing it doesn't matter what I have to say about that so go ahead

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Well talk to me about somebody else you'd like to put on or put in consideration at least

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, well, there's a couple of names still. I mean, uh, we'll just kind of keep on

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Where we just were and get ream in there. It's not a question

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I would I would agree to get ream in there and I would put victoria in there as well

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think those are three names that we could basically agree upon

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, well, so is there room beyond that? So that's the question is I think

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think I think those three are the ones that I feel like are

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the three most talked about people from this cast in terms of those that the audience would like to see back

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think especially with rick and ream. They are two of the biggest characters

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely have some of the biggest story to them for a possible return and victoria again is one of these fun

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, let's give her a second chance. Let's see what she can do without a big twist in the way

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: hopefully

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: for me, I think if we look at

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The the remaining spot if we're going with the five

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Here it would basically be between for me

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_01]: David and gavin with like a scosh of ron clark on the side

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so for me it comes down to we do have overlap with gavin there

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It comes down to gavin ron and chris

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But the way I narrow it down very easily for me is that I think that chris will have opportunities on the challenge

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope I don't we we haven't actually seen

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_04]: For non-challenge people we haven't actually seen a lot of people that were on the challenge usa show back up on the main challenge

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's really only kylan right? It's really yeah, it's kylan from big brother

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that you know, we're about to get out

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we haven't even gotten into it yet the challenge 40 this battle of the era season coming up

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But after that we're going to get back into you know

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_04]: A time where we can kind of mix things up with rookies or people that have kind of been on ones or twice

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Or whatever the deal is so I could see a world for sure

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_04]: chris is still you know just as young and spry as as the best of them

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I could absolutely see a world where he gets a call for like a 41 42 or 43

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So I kind I can kind of put him aside there because I think that there could be other opportunities

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_04]: For ron. I think that while I would love to see it

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Ron is ron clark like he will find his way into you know in front of a camera in one way or another

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So that puts me at gaven where I don't think you know

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_04]: He's the person that I think needs the most redemption on a future survivor season

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Was the most robbed by far, you know getting four votes here uh to chris is you know 17 from the rest of the

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Jimmy minthrow's a vote on to chris. Yeah, so for me, uh, if there's one spot left for me

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's gaven you also I think have a world where this man rick devins has a lot to influence on what's going on here

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And if anyone hasn't picked up on you know, whether it's some podcasting or twitch streaming and whatnot

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Rick devins and gaven have gotten so close over the past

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You know a couple of years since their season. They're like the best of buds

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And if like rick has any influence to say hey, thanks for calling me which you know

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I knew you were gonna do the second I left the island. How about my friend here?

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You know my built-in ally who needs a lot of

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Being big brother all stars maybe

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Gavin I think I think it's not off the table. Um, I don't know

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, you're telling me you can't just put both on

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_04]: F it I'll put both. Oh, like you're Mike bloom. You make the rules

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll do it. Why the hell not but it's only because my hand was forced here

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I I'm I'm going to be more stringent when it comes to the seasons proceeding and following

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And look, I have to be pushy because because Sasha threw, you know

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: An extra person onto this list that you know wasn't there

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even think that returnies were in the mix as far as being considered. I don't know. I I don't know what I was thinking

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But so I'm sitting here with like my top tier of ream Gavin Ron and Victoria

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And I've already put Ron to the side knowing that there wasn't going to be a room for both him and Gavin

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and rick wasn't in my top five, but I knew he was going to be there regardless

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So this was tough

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm sure we'll get the people being like the what are we doing here crowd of like?

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, you're adding six people

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But consider it maybe some leftovers from millennials versus gen X and samondelsor that we put kelly and david on and then

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, if you remove them, then we're just back to where we were prior. Yeah, we're just back to four here

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be kelly

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be david and it's going to be gavin rick victoria and ream

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure maybe some more will be added by the time we come back around and do some wild cards

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Last thing I want to finish with matt is we've talked about this a lot

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, some players have even shown this to the point of chris

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But who from this season would you want to see on another reality show?

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So it would be so this is outside of the people that we've already talked about or I mean, no

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It could be the same people that we're talking about if you want to double dip. Yeah, so I mean going back to the ream of it all

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Somewhere some way somehow put this woman back on a television screen. Like I don't care what show it is

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care if the traitor is the goat. No, it's well

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing is that I think that unfortunately just due to

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Despite the fact that she was a first boot that lasted the entire of a season

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much her social cache is there for those types of shows but put her on squid game the challenge

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Could you

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like someone picking up a phone and trying to convince her to also pick up the phone or like

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone trying to chicken out on the marbles game that they did it would just be

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely incredible television. Yeah, absolutely

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And I you know, I guess I'll just use the spot to further highlight ron that I really think would be super entertaining on whatever show

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He ends up on

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think we're the two people I've picked are probably passed me being able to try to recruit them for the challenge

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: at that point, you know for the for themselves but

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Whether it's a squid game whether it's a traitor is whether it's any of these shows that are popping up pulling from

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You know a one from each show that exists out there

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Would love to see ron pop back up on something. I mean traders would be a lot of fun

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe ron could host a reboot of are you smarter than a fifth grader?

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I feel like he has that like boisterous game show energy, you know

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Or yeah, actually, you know, he kind of acts like a warm-up comic

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So he could be his own warm-up comic and game show host all in one. I'm down. I'm watching

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so matt great way to start off the week here on the survivor 50 wish list

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Plenty of discussion pouring over a cast that honestly doesn't get poured over much

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like in the memories of survivor history, but hopefully we gave some people their due today as

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We are putting on and I'll put some ages alongside here as well

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We have kelly wentworth who is 38. We have david right who is 50

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: We have uh, let's see. We have gavin who I believe is 29

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: We have rick who is 39 and we have victoria who is also 29 and reama 53

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of 39 the age of one rick devins tomorrow

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We're jumping into another season that is glossed over in survivor history though

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think for perhaps more understandable reasons than edge of extinction

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It is survivor island of the idols but again look to speak about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Within a lot of the ugliness that has remarked upon for that season

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: There are some people that I think should be in discussion to bring back very possible survivor 50 matt

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: In your opinion, is there anyone from island of the idols that you would want to put on your shortlist?

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: charisma

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I do think actually defeated one of our shortlist candidates here kelly wentworth in terms of uh

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The number of votes either cast against her or it wasn't nullified by an idol because that was being by by kelly

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, charisma for sure

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's certainly a case from some lauren ashley back coming back

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's been also another one of these uh tiktok or instagram creators?

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Doing a lot of survivor content as time has gone on

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll make the case for detective dean at some point or another but

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll go with those. Detective dean was another person that I felt uh might have had his like window to be on the challenge in the early 2020

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that it just doesn't happen for one reason or another? Yeah, I don't know. He might be okay

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Moving on from reality tv, but um, yeah, like you said, there's uh, there's

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: There's people within that cast to pluck out and potentially, you know, leave everything else behind

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I'll be interested to see how that conversation goes tomorrow

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll be having said conversation with beth dixon, which i'm very excited about so be sure to check that out as we

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Barrel towards the new era where the picking listen if we had a tough time

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Parsing through for a limited number of picks survivor edge of extinction

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna get even tougher

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Wendy free the chickens to just create even more mayhem going on with those picks

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But for right now matt this was such a great time

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you talked about this at the beginning

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You are always in the trenches when it comes to the challenge over on free agents

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially since we are looking down the barrel of battle of the era as another milestone season of a reality tv show

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Coming down the pike next month. What would you like to plug right now?

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, challenge is going to be starting very soon, especially by the time that this uh, this comes out here

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So uh, scally and I are always covering all things the challenge on the free agents podcast

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Mike is very often coming on and guesting with us whenever he's got the time to squeeze in for

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Um for anything challenge related or love love the challenge and I love the free agents even more

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and and uh, again, it actually might line up pretty perfectly that mike is also planning on coming on with us for

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: A bonus podcast if mike hasn't talked enough survivor lately

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: He has chosen we gave him an option to talk either big brother or survivor with this topic

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: We're looking into a world of so again the challenge

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: 41 42 43 may have some rookies again after they haven't had new faces for two seasons now

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to look into some survivor names that they should pull and mike said that's me sign me up

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to be doing that very soon. Let's go running the hot hand right my mind is so on the island right now

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That I might as well keep going with the momentum instead of pulling myself out and back in again

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I get it. I get it. So I can't wait to talk to you with scally and do that over on the free agents podcast

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: also

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Very recently

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Launched the diary room podcast which uh, if you're a big brother person and you have not checked it out yet

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Amon and I have created this project where we are going through the entire roster of north american big brother players

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Three or sorry six at a time three matchups in each episode to determine who ultimately is the best big brother player of all time

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to take us years to get through

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But we are having so much fun so far

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We've had kory in america and chappell and by the time this comes out a j

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: We just recorded so so many fun guests so far

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Mike will be on there as well because I book mike any opportunity that I can get and I'll take it

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's that i'm on twitter at matt le gory and mike. Thank you so much for for having me on for this one

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course the pleasure was all mine. Thank you for bringing all your takes about this season

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we'll be back tomorrow with beth dickson talking about survivor island of the idols and seeing who will be added to the ever-growing

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Short list until next time everybody take care. Bye. Bye

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