Today, Mike and Christian Hubicki (@sarahcarradine) discuss Season 22: Redemption Island![00:00:14] Hi everybody and welcome back to the Survivor 50 Wish List Podcast, an off-season series where we're determining who could and should come back for the upcoming returning season of Survivor 50 and today Break out your crispy rice and your best pair of pink undies as we're talking Survivor Redemption Island
[00:00:37] Commonly regarded as one of if not the worst Survivor season in the show's history But are there some diamonds in the rough? We are here trying to figure all that out Of course, I am Mike Bloom and today I am joined by truly a fantastic guest
[00:00:54] We are usually conditioned to asking him anything And so today we're gonna ask him particularly who he wants to see back from Survivor Redemption Island It is of course from David vs. Goliath the fantastic. Dr. Christian Hubicki. Hey Christian
[00:01:09] Hey there Mike, how you doing? It's good to be here. Yeah fantastic I am so excited about this truly to take on a Goliath esque effort of having to spend at max an hour talking about Survivor Redemption Island and its cast
[00:01:23] I could think of no better David to do so than yourself Well, that's kind of see you to say Mike, you know I I have been one to enjoy the occasional endurance challenge in a way Redemption Island
[00:01:34] We're watching it is its own kind of endurance challenge at times There are moments of most moments of joy and interest but yeah, it's a it's an experience. That's for sure Yeah, that's the thing is look I have always said that in every Survivor season
[00:01:48] We don't need to necessarily completely throw out the baby with the bathwater There are always elements to take away and even occasionally appreciate and for what it's worth I liked the first few episodes of Redemption Island. I think the premiere is
[00:02:01] Absolutely out of whack where we get introduced to Philip and his full force from the beginning with his close Alliance turned rivalry in the moment with Francesca Francesca we have everything going on with Boston Rob making the first big move of the season by cutting Matt
[00:02:19] from eyeballing perhaps a younger version of himself on Ometepe and We have for the first time in his Survivor career Russell hands being voted out due to a basically tribe wide Effort to dispose of him, you know from then on
[00:02:34] It takes a little bit of a step down I think many reasons why people certainly regard this as a lesser than season besides the fact that does reside in the Dark Ages of Survivor is of course the gameplay is
[00:02:50] Stagnant to say the least I think the advent of bringing in these two returning players We saw it in Guatemala But to see Boston Rob pretty much put on a showcase as to how to run the most dominant game arguably in Survivor history
[00:03:05] Could make for entertaining television for some people quite the opposite for others The concept of Redemption Island even to this day with things like Edge of Extinction is still a little controversial Given the lack of finality that comes with the vote out and we'll get into this
[00:03:20] But the cast in general a little uninspired at the time particularly when it comes to one tribe, but Christian I don't want to put words in your mouth. What are your thoughts on Redemption Island? Does it buff the conventional wisdom or go along with it?
[00:03:33] Oh, I don't think I come in with any particularly hotcake on changing the conventional wisdom other than to say that Going back and jumping straight back to watching Survivor 22 It did remind me that of one things that have changed over that time in terms of the
[00:03:52] Change in the hosting of Jeff a little bit the hosting style or the style of the challenges There are changes But I will say even with this season where there are points where Boston Rob is just on a steamroller Rolling over these players to the end
[00:04:07] There's always interesting things in a Survivor season Even these seasons that I hear people say that you know, they don't like very much and I see what they're getting for There's always something interesting in a Survivor season to take away
[00:04:18] I mean just the the gameplay of Boston Rob going down to the end is something to behold and I was sitting at home watching it with Emily and we were and we were picking up new things
[00:04:28] Every time we went we went through this season and it's not just Boston Rob It's some of the other players too, which will go through all of them
[00:04:35] You can see what they're going for in their minds as far as the game goes, but it definitely is in an era Where casting was in a mode where they didn't necessarily need want to find people who knew the game particularly well, I think they probably
[00:04:53] For reasons that might have made sense at the time said, you know It doesn't really matter how huge of a fan people are of the show
[00:04:58] We just want to get personalities and people who will be good on TV. That's all you need right for a reality show, right? Well, this is we're not we're not it's not the genius. This is Survivor
[00:05:07] you know where you only have to count that count ten for your votes and but I think what you found is that when there's disparity in the skill and Experience frankly this experience of the players. This is what can happen
[00:05:21] And so what I felt when I was watching this was an increased I always had an appreciation for Boston Rob But I yet again increased Appreciation for how skilled that he is and handling the game comes with experience. It comes with just raw talent and
[00:05:35] an effort but also I felt bad for a lot of these new players because some of them at least had some concept of What to do and if they were only on there with new players
[00:05:45] You can see some of them being able to take the reins would be a lot more interesting But I don't care how good a talented the first-time player you are you come up against someone who's played four times This can happen. So that was my overall impression
[00:05:58] That is like I was there's interesting stuff there, but there was also it sucks to appreciate I did feel bad for the new players, which you know, maybe some of them should get a second chance
[00:06:07] How dare you say that? Yeah, how dare you say Survivor players only need to know how to count to ten Do you not recall the iconic Redemption Island duel where they had to count to 100 using tiles?
[00:06:17] Hey, you throw one challenge, you know, if you're gonna skip one skill on survivor, it's counting above 11 That's you know, instead you should be practicing what rip strength. Is that what the kids say these days? Exactly. Well, let us try to get a grip on these castaways
[00:06:32] Let's just jump into it and we gotta start as you have been with this conversation as we usually do when talking about Redemption Island with Boston Rob because I Decided to put a pin in him back when I was talking survivor Marquesas saying like listen
[00:06:49] We have much more exciting players to talk about who have not had the chance to come back We'll talk about the five-time player Later on when he actually does come back and win we have arrived at that fateful day where Boston Rob
[00:07:03] Yeah, fourth time was the charm. He puts on this absolute masterclass of performance in terms of whether it's weaponizing the opposition whether it is very specifically Curtailing a majority and then a majority within that majority to
[00:07:19] Hand-pick the goats that he wants to go to the end with for the perfect combination for him to take away the win so Look, though The fact of the matter is for this experiment sake we have been
[00:07:33] prognosticating for a possible legend season and so a lot of people that I would not necessarily see coming back a Sandra a Parvati even a Rupert we put on it because a they haven't like Explicitly said no
[00:07:47] I would never do it never ever ever and also again because we kind of want to cast the the net wide at this point Without a specific theme for 50 depending on what direction they want to go in. I would say of the legends
[00:07:59] Boston Rob would probably be the hardest no to it He has gone on record quite a few times including as recent as you know His deal or no deal Island exit press saying if they bring me back to survivor
[00:08:10] It's got to be you know, a really special theme or it's got to be a hook that really brings me back on board I think
[00:08:17] He has gotten every single thing out of his expo survivor experience and then some and he also I think has the same motto as someone like poverty has which is like are they really gonna let me walk in for the sixth seventh um team time and
[00:08:31] Not vote me out pre-merge like come on my reputation precedes me and then some But again for the more I guess fictionalized aspect of this entire experiment Christian I'd be remiss not to put him on the ballot here
[00:08:47] So he is currently just to be clear just because the timing can be weird as when we tell when you film this podcast He is not currently on the second chance ballot or to be voted on by the esteemed listeners of Rob has a podcast
[00:08:59] Correct because we usually only put people on the ballot during seasons that involves some form of new players We pass them over from our cases because we're like we'll talk about it during Redemption Island
[00:09:07] And not to put the the cart before the horse too much, which I'm pretty sure is the cart They had to push along in that opening challenge But I have a feeling the pickings might be slimmer today than they were in more cases
[00:09:18] so I feel like I felt now would be the time to put Rob on and Also, let's bring up the the other sort of time travel elephant in the room here
[00:09:29] Boss or Rob has of course been announced to be on the traders season 3 and I think on paper Some would say that would preclude people like him Tony Jeremy Carolyn, especially from being on survivor 50
[00:09:42] But Christian you might know the whole contract legalese of it more than me considering that you faced with it first and foremost I think there are certainly ways Depending on demand to be able to to accomplish two at once Yeah, I I would not
[00:10:01] Completely erase legally the ability for someone like a Boston Rob to return. I That that's not my impression of you know, I've only ever been on one reality show ever but from I understand as of now
[00:10:14] Sure and the end what it but that the legalese of this I think you'd there there are ways you could come back So he's not legally recruited. I'm totally on board with putting him on the ballot
[00:10:24] I like it would be it would be I know that there are people who are not necessarily the giant his boss and Rob fans I'm not necessarily one of those people. He's got to be on the ballot
[00:10:34] You're gonna vote for people to come back and he and boss Rob. He's the probably the only person only person Who's a survivor who is essentially a household name? Okay, and I would kind of watch you're you're a survivor historian of sorts Mike
[00:10:50] Like I would curious to get your take on this I mean Boston Rob gets named checked on like 30 rock as a name, right? I mean as much as Rupert or Sandra are very popular well-known survivor players
[00:11:01] You say those two person those people are famous to survivor fans Rob Austin Rob is basically famous to also non survivor fans people have heard the name probably Boston Rob Those two words in a sentence together and like and have a flicker of like election
[00:11:16] Yeah, so I mean it's a little bit of cheating because I would say like this Jimmy Johnson count does your your co-star? Mike White count but excluding that I feel like I would definitely
[00:11:28] Ascribe that label to him if you're talking about like what's its name from survivor has stood the test of time If we're going back to the early 2000s, I mean it was all about Richard Hatch It was all about Colby Donaldson
[00:11:40] Those were definitely household names due to just the popularity of survivor But I do think if you look back Especially from a modern-day lens and people are saying who do you serve synonymize with? Survivor from a contestant perspective. I think the most populous answer maybe not most popular
[00:12:00] But the one that would sort of cover the widest swap Would be somebody like Boston Rob certainly helps that he has again played the most seasons out of anybody Has been somebody that has shown his face across multiple seasons multiple reunions
[00:12:14] Even something like Cara Moen where he was referenced but not seen he shows up in the audience as well and so this is someone who Kind of becomes, you know a part of the survivor mythos Obviously from nearly the beginning with his courtship of amber on the show
[00:12:32] But really has stood the test of time to the point where they erected a giant-ass statue of him five years ago Yeah, so it can't not put him on the ballot. It would simply it would it would it would be a blemish
[00:12:44] I think on the ballot and not have Boston Rob on it I want to see him for a seventh time That's the thing is that I can completely
[00:12:52] Understand and people have certainly been vocal about it as far back as our Mark cases podcast of like I don't want to see Boston Rob for the umpteenth time. I personally get it as well
[00:12:59] I don't know if Boston Rob himself would want to do it necessarily though again I think what we've been saying with some of these other players is that I do think the idea of a legends
[00:13:09] Season no matter how much you might prognosticate your fate might be enough to just call get called back for that label alone But also that being said the power will be in y'all's hands after this if you don't want him on the season Don't vote for him
[00:13:24] Unlike the Redemption Island jury and I will talk next about the man to his right someone who did receive One jury vote from Ralph Kaiser may he rest in peace and finished in second place
[00:13:35] Philip Shepherd, I think far and away the other person to talk about from this season besides Boston Rob love him hate him no matter what everyone on and off screen was talking about Philip the validity of was he a former federal agent the pink underwear
[00:13:52] Everything that was going on throughout his various confrontations in the season. It just some herring, etc We don't need to dote on Philip too much when it comes to return e Chances because in his quarantine questionnaire when asked if he would play again, he responded in all caps
[00:14:07] No, I would not ever subject myself to another reality TV competition again Regardless of how many press releases they put out about being inclusive and diverse I think the format of survivor the theme the game and many of the staff are well intentioned
[00:14:20] However, what was allowed to happen to black contestants was devastating in our lives and our stories have not been told Philip talked in his quarantine questionnaire about how he felt he was given a raw edit Also from a production perspective
[00:14:35] It seems like he said that like the pink underwear was pretty much forced on to him by production Which then led to him getting clowned upon by his cast members and the edit so suffice it to say despite making up I would say a fairly impressive run in
[00:14:50] Karamo and by comparison, I think Philip is in many ways done with survivor. I I read that same questionnaire and yeah, I think exactly That's why it's hard to walk back at that point and I feel like we we got filled twice and one thing from watching him
[00:15:06] In the season, it had been a long time and I and I understand Oh, I understand why they brought him back right away again Or at least there was rumors are gonna bring back almost exactly right away for season 23 at one point. So I like I
[00:15:21] Genuinely laughed at a lot of the things that Phil did and said when I was watching again And I think that that he's one of the people on this season who understood it
[00:15:32] Wasn't just a game that you wanted to perform well when he also understood it was a TV show He wanted to perform in at least to some degree not the saying that he was completely inauthentic
[00:15:41] But like he gave us content from a television show standpoint and so naturally he made sense to bring back in the middle of the 20s Which studio a mountain that I first ate we can under
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[00:17:38] Unfortunately, she did not make the final cast. But I do think, Christian, there's some there. I could be talked out of the way into putting her on the shortlist, but first off, we've been talking about this throughout the process.
[00:17:51] There is some appeal to bringing back somebody who is older and presumably wiser. Of course, Natalie is 33 right now, and suffice it to say she knows a lot more about the world than she did at the age of 19. She's also done a lot with her life.
[00:18:07] For those that don't necessarily know, she's no longer a dancer. She actually did find love with another reality star in the form of former Bachelorette star Dan Cox. And they actually started a business together during COVID where she expanded on,
[00:18:23] I think it was like her family's peach farm, right? And started selling peaches locally, which is pretty wild. And also, for what it's worth, she's raring to go. Maybe it's that second chance has kind of lit that fire back from her after a few years away.
[00:18:40] But when asked if she'd come back, she said, Yes, if given the opportunity, I would go back. My heart starts beating really fast at the thought of my return. I think she meant eek, but she put a lot of Ks in there instead of Es.
[00:18:51] I feel like I'm such old news, though. Maybe one day it will happen. This is the interesting part, Christian. Jeff did write me a note after I didn't make it back on second chance saying, quote, We do want you back.
[00:19:02] We just have to wait for the right season. We'll see. What do you think, Christian, about the possibility of Nat 10 on Survivor 50? So if we're talking about the possibility of the show having an interest there,
[00:19:18] I can understand the show potentially seeing a story to put her back on the show. I mean, I had the same when I was watching her on this season. I was like, wow, he is so young. And I was like that was like it just read on television.
[00:19:34] And it felt I felt a lot of empathy for Natalie because I actually don't know much about her history of how she got onto the show into the in the first place. Maybe you know something about that, Mike.
[00:19:45] But like I but it seems it came across to me like this is a person who happened across this opportunity at a very young age. It's like, hey, do you want to go on this national TV show and a competition for a million dollars?
[00:19:59] I mean, if many of us plucked off the street, I don't know her back story would say yes. And but then not necessarily realize exactly what you're signing up for, especially when you put on a season where you're on a tribe with someone
[00:20:15] who is a seasoned professional at this game and ready to use you as a way to get to the end. I'm not I hear they're closer after, which is wonderful. But I thought a lot of empathy for her.
[00:20:26] So the story of bringing her back, I feel it was a great second chance story. And so I think it made a lot of sense to put her on the second chance ballot. And honestly, I think that survivors should do something like a second chance again.
[00:20:39] They have so well, they have so many one time players now that bench is so deep and no matter what they do for 50, unless they put 100 people on the island, they're going to have a lot of people that they left
[00:20:52] behind or have interesting stories that that they never got to see again. And so I think that, you know, unless season 50 is something like a second chance type story, I think that it would make sense to do whatever they
[00:21:08] want to do for 50 who the heck knows what that's going to be. And then at some point in the future, just do something like a second chance. And that's the kind of thing I think swinging in Natalie Tenerelli would make sense. Yeah.
[00:21:19] So listen, that being said, are you putting forward this theme and do part because that would perhaps benefit a certain someone from David versus Goliath as an example? I am sort of, you know, I sort of buried the lead here, but I've been
[00:21:33] doing this with all the alumni. I've had the first I've talked to you with on this podcast just for the record, Christian, if you were given the chance to come back for Survivor 50, no matter what the theme would be, would it be an easy yes for you?
[00:21:44] I definitely take the call. I mean, if they called me for 50, I mean, it's like being invited to like Survivor's big birthday party. What do you do? Say no, like just hang up the phone and just like, it's like, no, I mean,
[00:21:56] it's it'd be quite an honor to get a get a call for the season. And I would I'd be interested. I have interest in going. I mean, there's a lot of factors at play, but I'd be interested. I mean, it's such a milestone.
[00:22:10] Year, I mean, it might be the last Survivor milestone. I mean, in terms of numbers, you never know. People would have said that about Survivor 10, you know, 20 years ago. But so you never know. Maybe maybe Jeff will bow out after Survivor 100. Who knows?
[00:22:24] But the at this rate, but I mean, it's such an event that it would I think that someone like myself would be honored to take the call and will and depending upon what they have in mind, it might it might make sense.
[00:22:38] I think is that I'm tenured now. So I which which which which is cool. And they tend to film during the summer. So that's actually a pretty, pretty good timing for me. But, you know, we'll see. We'll see. All right.
[00:22:50] But that's not the reason I brought up Second Chance. I think even if I suddenly tomorrow was like, you know what? I hate the show now. I'd never do it again. I would say it's in the best interest of the show to do with something
[00:23:02] like a second chances. Yeah. Yeah. Like they just have so many great people that I would want to see together again on my on my television screen. All right, well, let's see if any of those people are contained in the jury of Survivor Redemption Island.
[00:23:17] We have working our way up here. David Murphy, who pulls the full Murphy and stumping for Boston Rob and causing, I would say, the most awkward reunion moment in Survivor history, especially in retrospect when he proposes to Carolina. We have Julie Wolf, the firefighter who vindictively buried
[00:23:34] Phillips underwear for a little while. We have a Steve Wright, a former NFL player who ends up getting into a big argument with Philip that turns into quite a literal different discussion. We have, of course, the late Ralph Kaiser, the rooster himself,
[00:23:49] who found an idol before Russell did. We have Grant, who was another NFL vet and the quietest member of stealth are us maybe the stealthiest, in fact, who gets perhaps the most burned by Boston Rob, but pales in comparison to, of course,
[00:24:04] that Elrod, who gets voted out second due to Rob comes back from Redemption Island and then gets immediately sent back to Redemption Island by Rob and makes his way to the end and loses out in the final duel or quadruple or whatever you want to call it.
[00:24:19] We have Mike Chisel, who was an Iraq war veteran and was seen as kind of like the Captain American figurehead of the Zapaterra Alliance, who was voted out pretty much at the merge and made his way all the way to the end.
[00:24:32] We have our main returnee besides Boston Rob from this season in the form of three time player Andrea Belkey. And we have our fallen angel here in Ashley Underwood, who was one immunity challenge away from possibly winning this entire game.
[00:24:49] I want to take a step back and focus on Andrea here because Andrea has played three times. She's one of the rare survivor players besides, I think, Amanda and Sarah Lucina to make the jury for a three plus time player every single time that
[00:25:03] she has played when asked if she would play again. She responded, probably. I have to be honest. It takes a huge toll on me mentally. Something about watching the show and having people rip you apart online gets to me.
[00:25:15] I'm not usually an anxious person, but I had such extreme anxiety when my seasons were airing and it wasn't healthy. I love the game so much and I do feel like I have it in me to win the game,
[00:25:25] but I'll just have to see where I'm at in my life. Okay, fine. I'll play again. And so that inner monologue, I think, showcases that Andrea just doesn't know how to quit survivor. But Christian, do we want to bring her back for time number four?
[00:25:39] Yeah, I mean, so from this first time out, I definitely see why she got brought back for 26. I liked her a lot. I like, I like Andrea. I liked her at the time. I still like her now as a television character. I never got to meet her.
[00:25:53] That'd be cool. But, but she's got spunk in her in that sense that she, she knows and understands how to put together a good effort. I mean, her narrative of this season, I actually remember the season quite fondly in a lot of ways, Mike,
[00:26:07] because I think that this was, this is the first season I was watching when I started applying for the show. And before I would, I would sort of just watching the show. So when the cat, there's the first time when the cast would come out,
[00:26:18] I would say, oh, who actually got on? What kind of people are being cast? I would actually go read all their bios and learn about them. And Andrea's thing was that she was like the tomboy type. She was like the farm girl. Yeah. I think she is.
[00:26:31] I think in time, since I've heard her say things like, you know, that's not really all of her and she's definitely transcended this personality. And now she's like, does people magazine stuff right as a, as a, like a presenter type thing. And so like, she's got, she, she's,
[00:26:45] she's very telegenic for TV presence. I would not be mad at her seeing her again. I think that the thing that would, which would be challenging from a ballot perspective is what is the thing that she has done on the show that she has,
[00:27:00] that she is known for that she brings to the cast. That would be the thing that, that my biggest struggle in terms of putting her on. So like, she's on the bubble for me of all the people I put on the list,
[00:27:11] but I think she is definitely very memorable to me. Like I say to me, I remember her, like, like when I saw her on game changers, like, you know, that kind of makes sense. Okay. I wouldn't have, I mean, game changer didn't make sense,
[00:27:23] but like her on our cast makes sense. And like, okay. So like, I, like I don't think I'd ever be mad to see Andrea. I just need to know like, what is her, what is her driving thesis? What she's going to do this time on the show.
[00:27:37] She didn't do the other times. And if I get that from her, I'd be like, yes. Yeah. I completely agree in that. Listen, as this entire experiment has shown, I am not against bringing back people who have played like two or three
[00:27:53] times and maybe didn't have like the most complete and memorable resume across the board. Someone like Candace as an example, but I feel like what differs with Kansas, Candace is just the idea of offscreen narrative,
[00:28:07] which has been a large driving force for why I sometimes put people on this list is that we have people like a Daniel DiLorenzo, for example, go off the show, get married, have children. How does that approach the mentality you approach the game when you end
[00:28:21] up coming back onto it? And not to say that like, Andrea should have gotten married and started a family and the time since game changers. But, you know, she has led a very good consistent life throughout her time on Survivor,
[00:28:34] both on and off, obviously making a work in the entertainment industry. As you mentioned, having this consistent role with people. I would also say that maybe on paper, people will be like, well, she went out and covered, you know, other seasons of Survivor. So that would preclude her.
[00:28:49] She was, she covered the show and then went on to play game changers and then talked about game changers on pen fan forum may rest in peace. So I don't think that's necessarily a non-starter and I really enjoy Andrea.
[00:29:01] I also correct myself that I do believe that Ozzie and Joe Anglim and Jeremy are also some of these other rarefied players that have made the merge every time, but she's like a very solid player overall.
[00:29:12] I think maybe my favorite season from her is maybe something like Cara Mowen, where she finally gets into power, really for the first time in her Survivor career and gets to do fun things like babysitting Malcolm, like getting Eric to give her the idol.
[00:29:24] And then she gets voted out with it. Like that's the fun that can come with bringing back. These players is going to see a different side of their gameplay to your point. I'm wondering what is necessarily the,
[00:29:37] the new found appeal and bringing back Andrea for a fourth time besides like, oh, I like Andrea and I want to see her play again. I think she's a bit different than some of these other players were bringing
[00:29:48] back time and time again because of the legends aspect, proverbial speaking. This would be more so well, we like Andrea Belkey and we want to see her on TV again. Yeah, that's pretty much what I imagine. And the other thing I'll say for her,
[00:30:01] so before we move on to our many other cast members, otherwise it'll be a 500 minute podcast, I guess. But the, the, the Andrea also, she did have a varied reactions to being voted out multiple times. She's been voted out four times in her three appearances. And you know,
[00:30:16] and I'll never forget how impressed I was with her in Caramello when she got voted out. She was very genial. It's like, Hey, you guys, good job. You know, I was like, oh good. That's that's the kind of response that I enjoy. It's like, Hey, good job.
[00:30:29] And they leave and they walk out the door. Then in Game Changers, she was a lot less happy with Zeke. So like, I was like, oh, I didn't think I would see that side of Andrea. So there are multiple personality dimensions that will pop out every once in
[00:30:44] a while. So it's sort of the, the unknown as to what you might get out of her. But overall I think she's on the bubble for me if we're looking for a third person. Yeah. Wasn't, wasn't her like voting confessional when she voted for Zeke that
[00:30:56] one time along the lines of like terrible move. Hope to see you never. That's pretty much the quote. So let's move on to somebody that she was canoodling a bit during their brief time together on Redemption Island. I do want to talk about Matt L. Rod because again,
[00:31:12] I think if you talk about the stars of this season or maybe a bit few and far between compared to other seasons, but Matt is certainly somebody to talk about. He is of course the first person to return from Redemption Island and then
[00:31:24] gets immediately sent there back again. I think a large sub story of this entire season is like Matt's eternal struggle with just being put in this job like position, true to his faith of having to suffer out there in isolation,
[00:31:41] even when he is surrounded by people consistently being tested physically, mentally, emotionally and trying to figure out why exactly is he meant to do this. And then it all kind of ends anticlimactically for him when we think it's being built up as, oh,
[00:31:55] he's going to come back to the game again. And even the people that are currently on the Merlonial tribe, say, oh yeah, Matt's probably coming back once more. And it doesn't happen kind of unceremoniously. He ends up getting sent out.
[00:32:09] But if Matt didn't build a resume for himself on Island, he certainly did off in a very different way. Of course, for the uninitiated, Matt has certainly made a cup for himself in Hollywood in a very different way than Andrea,
[00:32:21] considering all the roles he has played under the name of Wyatt Nash. But if his change in name is of any indication, he is very clearly done with the survivor phase of his life. He even affirms in his quarantine questionnaire that he was asked back a
[00:32:38] couple of times following Redemption Island, but it's very clear for many reasons. This was just something that he would be one and done with. So, yeah, at first I was very confused. I looked at my list. I didn't have Matt on it. I had someone named Wyatt Nash.
[00:32:52] Now I understand why you're just, you're such a big Riverdale fan that that's all he is to you. Pretty much. And I'm a pretty little liar myself. So I figured this would be a B and when it comes to, yeah, when it comes to Matt,
[00:33:04] yeah, I think that he's out. I don't think he's interested. The thing I'll say for Matt is a little along the lines of Natalie. He's someone I have a lot of empathy for as a person who went on the show because everything about his experience on the Island.
[00:33:19] And what he talks about off the Island is that he wanted to go out there and be a representative of his faith and religion or his conception of God, whatever that is. And again,
[00:33:30] so I liken it to like what if I was approached on the street and say, Hey Christian, do you want to go on this big show for a million dollars? I'm like, well, okay, I want to do that and be a million dollars is nice.
[00:33:40] But what is it beyond that? What maybe I can represent something about what I believe in. Maybe I could go out there and talk about science and things like that on, on national TV and really get my stuff thing out there. But if you don't,
[00:33:51] if I didn't understand the form has show like, like from a deep level, what the format of show was, was then I could end up in Matt's position very easily. Now Matt said something to the effect on the season that he had watched the
[00:34:04] first season with the parents and, and he remembered it. My guess is that he wasn't a huge fan and he just went out there as this experience and then, and didn't necessarily enjoy the ride. So I felt for him on this, on this time. Yeah,
[00:34:19] I think it was clear even in the brief votes that he participated in, particularly at the merge that I think survivor was not necessarily the game for him aware. If we don't remember, it is obviously almost happy versus Apoterra and Matt is,
[00:34:31] is caught in the middle where, okay, do you go with the people who spurned you or do you go with these completely new faces? And he does relent and end up going back to almost happy to which he is
[00:34:41] very open to Boston Rob of like, oh, by the way, I had offers from other employers, but I chose to go with your company and Boston Rob's like, okay, great. You're fired. So I think that Matt is somebody who, and he was also 21 when he played.
[00:34:56] So I think it was just a matter of his head and his mentality towards survivor was not necessarily in line with a lot of other stuff that was happening in the season. But I, I wish him the best of luck with his acting career.
[00:35:08] I want to talk about Ashley Underwood here. Because again, I think like Natalie actually on paper, The first question you ask is who, and the second question you ask is like, okay, well, what did she do? And yes, Ashley was someone that like Natalie was pretty quiet.
[00:35:24] She was 25, which made her a couple of years older, at least than some of her contemporaries on this Ometepe tribe. But Ashley really came alive towards the end of the season when Rob was starting to see her as a big threat,
[00:35:39] especially as someone that could win sort of the Natalie proxy war and get her to her side over him. And so he decides that he's going to start taking aim at her starting at once Andrea ends up leaving, but then Ashley sticks around.
[00:35:54] She's able to comp feast out a little bit. You know, she was a former college basketball player and she ends up winning her way to the final four. And again, I really do feel as much as I look so highly upon Boston Rob's redemption Island game.
[00:36:10] I think part of the reason why he dominated is because he had to get to the end with those two particular people. I think it has been said that if Ashley gets to the end, even alongside Rob, there is a fairly good shape that she ends up winning.
[00:36:24] Ashley has since the season has aired. I believe her boyfriend came out there on redemption Island for the family visit. She has since married said boyfriend and she started a family very quickly after that. She currently has a two kids,
[00:36:39] which I believe at this point are probably around like 10 and seven. And what's very interesting Christian is that Ashley affirmed in her quarantine questionnaire. She was asked to play a few times. The timing wasn't right. The first time she was asked, she was pregnant and then,
[00:36:55] and her first baby was nine months old. I would imagine that was probably like a carom and maybe even second chances time. But it seems that now that her, her kids are, you know, well taken care of and actually functioning human beings seems like as of
[00:37:11] 2020, she would want to play again. My, my, I went and read her quarantine questionnaire because I was curious about Ashley. Cause I agreed by the end of the game, she became a thread and to Boston,
[00:37:23] Rob Boston brought me that abundantly clear to the point where I think it was really starting to get to him. Yeah. And I think that there's something there with, with, with, with, with an Ashley like that and she could have won that final immunity challenge.
[00:37:38] She was real close. Like what, how different of a season is redemption Island. If she wins that final immunity challenge, I I I'm assuming she votes out Boston, Rob. I, I guess the question is, could she convince Phillip and Natalie to do the same? That's a good question.
[00:37:56] I joined these one of them. And in order to force a fire making tiebreaker and maybe, but I feel like Boston would, yeah, probably clean up and fire making considering he had at that point, like, you know, nearly a hundred days of survivor under his belt.
[00:38:10] So someone like Ashley's who has, I think she's got a hunger to come back is the impression I get from, from her questionnaires and things like that. I think that she would really want to. And again,
[00:38:21] she feels like a second chance story to me and clearly production thinks she's got something going on. If they keep calling her about future, future seasons. I think that the, if I were to come up with a criterion for just this, our podcast together, Mike,
[00:38:35] where I'm going to talk about who would come back on, on 50 it would be people. People would put on are more than just the hypothetical of what they might do given a second chance. It either.
[00:38:46] I would like to see some spark of what actually happened on our seas on that season. That way, like that way. Oh, I've personally seen that thing, which is great. They should be on this big landmark 50 season. Now. Yeah. I think that again, this is why I'm,
[00:39:06] I'm an opinion. They should, they should do some other season where they bring back people like Ashley. I think she'd be a wonderful second chance candidate. I think that clearly. They're thinking of her. But they did choose Natalie and Stephanie Valencia. We'll get,
[00:39:21] we'll get to her in a bit as, as spots for that. But I think that there's something like a second chance of a great spot for someone where production saw something. And maybe you want to give them a second shot. Hey, give, give them a second shot.
[00:39:32] They might, they might have a, have a, have like a Kelly Wentworth. Yeah. Touching upon some other members of the jury here. You know, I feel like maybe at the time there was something there, there with Mike.
[00:39:42] I feel like maybe the time has eclipsed to bring someone like him back. But the fact was he was super likable was seen as probably the biggest threat on Zappa Tara to the flame where a lot of discussion amongst Merlonio was okay.
[00:39:55] Who's going to beat Matt and who's going to be Mike, because he was also somebody that was one spot away. Had he beaten Andrea, he comes back into the game and maybe he immediately gets voted out again. But certainly I think probably like the,
[00:40:09] the best perfect package of a player on the Zapata Tara tribe. And he did say that he would, would come back, but I'm sort of in and out on him. The others in the forms of grant Steve, Julie, David, you know,
[00:40:24] the latter three I enjoy from a certain aspect. I actually am a low key Steve Wright bad. I thought he brought some, some very fun sort of beleaguered moments to the post merge, especially, but nobody's really peaking my radar. I think maybe again,
[00:40:38] if we were doing this for like survivor 25, David Murphy might make my short list because it's like, oh, this is sort of what we'll talk about next week in Jim Rice. Oh, here's this kind of scheme me more strategic guy who ends up getting taken
[00:40:53] out right at the merge due to sort of a bad tribal draw and then ends up becoming the first member of the jury. Let's give him a second shot, but I don't know, maybe it's that image of that cringy proposal and everything thereafter
[00:41:05] playing in my head that I don't need to necessarily see him back. So just to plow through a few of these that you just talked about, I mean, Mike is a guy who I,
[00:41:15] as of the last I read when I was trying to set you up for this podcast, he seems pretty hungry to come back. That's what you're reading between the lines. Like he's been contacted a few times, like, yeah, I'm interested.
[00:41:25] I get the feeling though that he would jump at the chance. That's my personal, that's my personal take and I think that he was one of the people that at least was trying to Mount an insurrection with Boston against Boston Rob at
[00:41:38] the merge. He was trying to get, he was the one, he was the other employer who was trying to hire Matt Elrod, Wyatt Nash for the Alliance. So he at least took, took action and I actually liked the, he's one of the people I saw something.
[00:41:53] He was literally playing the game. It wasn't like transcendent, but like, but he brain, like he worked Matt Elrod pretty well at the merge, tried to find some common cause with him over, over the Bible. And like I saw elements of a game there that I, I,
[00:42:12] I have all these people you're talking about. He would be the one that'd be closest to the bubble of putting on lists for me. Yeah. So Grant it's in our household. It's the joke is that, you know,
[00:42:24] he has gotten more mad over time about being voted out by Boston Rob. Yeah. And so whatever. I think honestly he has passed Lex in the salt meter. Yeah. And so anytime I'm mad about something increasingly over time,
[00:42:38] I say I'm, I'm totally granting over the situation right now. So like, you know, so, and so, so that's, that's fun. I hope he's doing well. I agree with you on Steve and Julie and David.
[00:42:50] I think David would have been fun for a really near term return just because he's so self-confident it's fascinating. He's fascinatingly self-confident in everything he does. And like, and we just, we just didn't get to see him do nothing.
[00:43:05] He of his machinations aim anything crazy in the season. And I do have one Ralph Kaiser story where we move on. So yeah, so Ralph Kiser of course has passed, sadly passed away. I remember I was on,
[00:43:19] when I was on the Island I had found the immunity idol much like Ralph and not in a, not in amongst between something alive and something dead. And, and I was talking to, I pulled the producer aside because I knew I was going to probably play my
[00:43:32] idol coming up. And I was like, look, this idol is a little filthy. Just tell Jeff to have like, but I hand it to him to have some kind of like, you know, hand sanitizer nearby. You know,
[00:43:44] I feel bad for Jeff handing him this idol. It's all grimy and whatever. And he's like, Oh, Christian, don't worry. When Ralph went to play, it was about to play. He's his idol. He told us, I hope Jeff, Jeff likes Pecker. Oh, unless Ralph was like propositioning Jeff.
[00:44:03] Maybe there was a different euphemism there. In terms of specifically the, the, the idol grimyness. I'm sorry. So I'm sorry I have to edit that out of the podcast. No, no, please. That is an incredible button on the legacy of Ralph Kaiser.
[00:44:17] I really hope he said that in the moment as well as he was walking up to play that on. I believe you played it on Mike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Mike's like, you know, you notice he didn't hand it to Mike to go give it to Jeff.
[00:44:28] And I think that they just like, I'm playing on Mike. And so anyway, that's my little, my little, my little minorist of one degree of separation from Ralph Kaiser. Yeah. Much like Jeff was one degree of separation from a part of Ralph Kaiser
[00:44:40] when it came to playing that idol. Yeah. And the one thing I'll say about Julie, you know, the one thing we got from her and the post-mortem, she's mad. She was angry. That's she hasn't, she has, she has an angry revenge streak on her. All right, well, let's,
[00:44:54] let's get into our pre mergers here because there is a little bit of there, there to discuss working our way down. Actually, we have Sarita who ends up being cast out from this very tight majority alliance that forms on Zapaterra.
[00:45:08] We have the two people that are on set outs of Zapaterra in the form of Stephanie Valencia and Krista. We have Christina who is cast out from the beginning, but holds the commendation of, I believe to have one of the earliest idol finds in survivor history.
[00:45:23] We have of course, Russell Hans returning for his third. And to this point, latest U S survivor season where everyone decides to band together and get rid of these so-called bandy legged troll, which then culminates in him losing to Matt at redemption Island.
[00:45:39] And we have the only two time first boot in survivor history in a French Now look, we all like to be a little clowns here in the survivor fan base and say, wouldn't it be great if they brought back Francesco third time,
[00:45:52] so she could be voted out first. And she sees you all coming and she's getting out ahead of you because she said in her quarantine questionnaire to my great shock and honor, I have been asked to play again. It wasn't easy.
[00:46:04] No, it's becomes an easier. No. With each passing day. Even if I wanted to play again, I promise you, I'd go home first thing in the morning and play again. I'm the easiest vote ever. And I'm 10 years older. I really don't have the personality for the game.
[00:46:16] I just can't pretend to like people. I don't like, not even for a million dollars. I have no talent for lying or intentional manipulation. I really love my creature comforts. My point being, why would I want to subject myself to survivor? So suffice it to say,
[00:46:31] I think she's eaten enough rocks in her life to walk away from the show. Let's first take a look at the first few minutes of the show. Let's go. I'm going to ask you about Russell because when I talked with Evie,
[00:46:42] certainly it was the hot topic of debate, of course, in some survivor, Samoa about this was the Russell show, but what are his chances given everything that's happened in the intervening years, mainly off screen since redemption Island,
[00:46:53] and what are his chances given the fact that he's been on the show for a long time? And I'm going to ask you about Russell because I think he's a great character. He's a great actor. He's a great actor. He's a great actor.
[00:47:04] He's a great actor. He's a great actor. Yeah. So I'm going to start with the question, which I think we've been talking about a lot lately. I mean, when a lot of people ask you what's your thoughts on Russell off screen
[00:47:14] since redemption Island about even if it was a legend season, would he be someone that would get a call back? Where do you stand on that? If it does even veer into the idea of bringing back these titans, do you think Russell is getting a call from production?
[00:47:29] I mean, it's hard to read productions mind because sometimes you will straight you'll find out they were completely wrong or lying. Like I'll never forget when I asked Jeff Probst straight up in the middle of a five hour immunity challenge, would you ever do an all winter season?
[00:47:43] He said, no, absolutely not. And then one year later he's filming it. And so I have no readout. So my guess is that while people like Jeff have their favorites and high non-favorites that they don't wanna bring back, Russell has such a reputation in the lore of Survivor
[00:48:04] that I think it's not inconceivable that a higher up production person is like, hey, who made me this lady to follow Survivor that close? I remember that Russell guy. He was great, get him back. I can see that happening and maybe Jeff's like,
[00:48:18] maybe we not do that, I have no idea. But I would not rule out Russell Hance from being called by production. From a me standpoint as a viewer, what I would wanna see is if Russell changes up his game at all.
[00:48:31] And so far we've seen him play three times and a fourth time on another series. And it really feels like he has his really strong set of skills that people have all seen and that currently have a limitation. So I would challenge Russell,
[00:48:50] if he gets that call to go back, it's like, please do something that's gonna try to push you over that limit and maybe something a little bit different. I would challenge him to do that. So we'll talk about it in a little bit.
[00:49:05] I mean, Evy made a point to not put him on the shortlist. Would you do so for this? Oh, oh, it's now up to me whether Russell was on the shortlist. Yeah, you're the single-handed person or we could keep kicking the can
[00:49:19] and leave it up to the listeners. I would never try to overrule Evy and say, no, Russell goes on. Now that was his shot, is not my job to overrule. All right, well, let's move up the row here to Stephanie Valencia, because you talk about someone like Ashley
[00:49:39] and thinking about, okay, did production see enough in her? And if so, why wasn't she on the second chance ballot? Someone that this was the case for was Stephanie who was left on the outskirts of Zapaterra from day dot pretty much.
[00:49:52] And when Russell left, the writing was pretty much on the wall and Stephanie put up a fight. She was incredibly vocal to her tribe and to the other tribe about how much she hates them, how much she thinks they're bad players, et cetera.
[00:50:07] And I do think it was that persnickiness and that mouthiness that ended up getting a call back as well as maybe the idea again of, oh, how would she do if she was not on a tribe that granted, I think due to her own actions,
[00:50:22] like she is not blameless in the least. And in fact, I'll admit, I became quite frustrated at Stephanie at certain points because she was kind of coming in from the angle of like, you're not playing the game. What are you doing?
[00:50:32] When I think in her case, playing the game is please work with me so I can stay. But again, there was something there there with production nearly 10 years ago. Stephanie has said in her quarantine questionnaire that it is something she would want to do.
[00:50:46] She says, well, she does say at this point in my life I really don't have it in me. Honest to God, the entire process is very harsh on your body. My immune system hasn't been the same since. Maybe I would. I don't know.
[00:50:58] I go back and forth as she quite literally did in her answer. She does say though that since her season she pretty much doesn't watch Survivor anymore. She says that basically for her she can't help but put herself in contestant shoes. And I think get a little angry
[00:51:13] that she hasn't had the chance to play again. So on the one hand, yeah, maybe there's a chance to bring back somebody that, as you said before is hungry for the return. On the other hand, is she going to walk in
[00:51:26] completely bum puzzled as to what the new era has become and all these twists because she hasn't watched the show in over 10 years? Yeah, I'm actually high on this Stephanie Valencia as a person I would want to, mostly because when I'm reading these questionnaires
[00:51:43] I'm seeing like people say probably, maybe. I feel like that can change once you get a call from Jeff Probst saying, you know, we're really interested would you want to come back? Yeah, for the sake of this experiment I only really take people out and know
[00:51:58] when they are like a hard no or they provide very specific stipulation. Otherwise everyone is at least a soft yes for me. Right, so, and I think that you're talking about like so let me just say overall Stephanie is one of the people I'm watching the show.
[00:52:12] I am seeing what production sees in her. She has a spark in her confessionals. She's thinking about the game. She certainly had a game plan which was basically be the intentional Natalie White, which I thought was a clever and interesting way.
[00:52:32] Yeah, I'm pretty sure Russell actually approaches her with that pitch, right? He's like, y'all remember when I joined up with Natalie and Parvati? How about you Stephanie? And so I think that that makes a lot of sense that why production wanted her back for a second chance.
[00:52:48] I think that unlike maybe like, I think that more so even than Ashley Underwood like I saw something in confessional that was like, oh, this course can be entertaining. And if she, and I can imagine if she got the call saying, hey, you want to go back whenever
[00:53:01] she's going to at least watch a couple of seasons and know what's happening. I mean, she's not numb. It's just like, okay, there are these things going on. So like I, to me, she actually supersedes like an Ashley Underwood for me
[00:53:13] as someone I would put on the list just because of what even in a short time out I've actually seen it even more so than what I saw in Kelly Wentworth at the time, who I also liked.
[00:53:23] And she came back to be, now is one of the people that the players that people think is some of their favorites. All right, well, Christian, the time has come. We've talked through a lot of possibilities, a lot of maybes.
[00:53:38] I think we've come in with one rubber stamp on Boston Rob. Who else are we giving the stamp to though? Give me one person that you would feel confident putting on the list. Well, just from a risk minimization standpoint, someone who I think is going to be good,
[00:53:57] Andrea would be a person that I'd like to, she's never been bad on a season, in my opinion. She's always gonna be, understand how the TV show works and understands how the game works and is gonna try. So I think that Andrea makes a lot of sense.
[00:54:15] I do want to hear your opinion of the outside pick of a Stephanie Valencia. I wanna see how crazy of an idea that is to put on the ballot. I mean, Christian, I know at the time of recording this, you're not aware of a lot of other people
[00:54:28] that have put on the ballot. Certainly not the craziest. And I'm not completely mad at it because the thing is, we know again that this is somebody that was in relatively recent contention. Obviously was not called back for something like game changers or, you know,
[00:54:48] they shouldn't really have any other opportunities after that, but was somebody that at least at the time was on production's radar. She is obviously in a bit of a different state now. She was 25 when she played, she's 39 now.
[00:55:03] And I think she has her life a bit more considerably in gear as is talked about in her quarantine questionnaire. So I think there is also a different sense that she could bring into the game. I'm not completely upset with the idea of putting Stephanie Valencia on,
[00:55:17] where I think if we look at these three that we would allow onto the ballot, you have, of course, like the 1A perhaps list of legends in Boston Rob Mariano. You have someone who has been given multiple shots in Andrea that could be interesting to see again.
[00:55:34] And then you have sort of this wild card, well, they were out pre-merge, but there's enough potential that maybe they should be given another shot in Stephanie. As much as I think someone like Ashley or Mike might have some potential as well,
[00:55:47] I would probably from an entertainment perspective put Stephanie in above those two. That's what I am rating this based on because certainly Mike and Ashley Underwood were greater threats to the potential domination of Boston Rob, and they do deserve kudos for that. And certainly in my book,
[00:56:08] if you're gonna try to put together a television show with season 50, I think that I'm going to value at least what you gave me in the confessionals and entertainment value. So to me, that would be Boston Rob, Andrea, Stephanie Valencia with an honorable mention
[00:56:24] to Ashley Underwood and Mike. Yeah, and that throws a bone to Natalie as well, just to see again how her life has changed. And who knows, I'm sure y'all have thoughts as well. Last thing I wanna bring up here, Christian, is who is somebody from this season
[00:56:40] that you would wanna see on another reality show? Boston Rob on Traders does not count. That one is, we can't count real things that have actually happened. Ooh, I mean, Mike would be on one of those World's Toughest Test kind of shows.
[00:56:56] I think that he would be a good fit, or frankly, I don't know where Christina Kell is in her life, but she seems really tough on one of those shows. No one else here has done any of the dating shows or anything like that.
[00:57:11] Sometimes people go on to those kinds of things. Oh, put David Murphy on one of the dating shows. Done, David Murphy. I'll tell you, you know what, David Murphy- Put him on Perfect Match on Netflix. I want David Murphy on The Mole. I want something where David Murphy,
[00:57:26] or one of those social deduction games, like, I mean, Traders is a bit of a celebrity show nowadays, but The Mole or something where David Murphy is convinced he knows who The Mole is, and he's either gonna look like an evil genius or an evil dunce.
[00:57:42] And I think either one of those, I think I would be interested to see. All right, so we have walked away from this podcast with three more names on the wishlist. Rob Mariano at 48, Andrea Belke at 35, Stephanie Valencia at 39.
[00:57:57] I also will say, God, I hope if Andrea gets voted onto this season that it does not end up being a bad season because she is unfortunately kind of, I know you're a science guy, you know correlation does not equal causation,
[00:58:08] but she has not had the best run in terms of her quality of seasons that she's appeared on. And she's said that. I remember, I don't know what I heard her say. I think she was like on Game Changers,
[00:58:18] she was talking to one of the other contestants at the time and they were like, this season's really good. And she was like, what are you talking about? This season is terrible. While she's on the season, I was like, oh, poor Andrea.
[00:58:29] I mean, as poor as you can be, you can only be a three-time Survivor player, but like, I feel it. I feel you, Andrea. If Vassarob has taught us anything though, it's that the fourth time can sometimes reverse the curse. And so maybe Andrea would get this opportunity,
[00:58:42] but that is up to you all out there. So that's going to do it for this week of the Survivor 50 wishlist. Of course, we are ending the week a little bit shorter because of the July 4th holiday. Take a long weekend for everybody,
[00:58:56] get some nice respite all around. And then we'll come back on Monday to cover Survivor South Pacific, which I think people on paper regard as like the copy paste of Redemption Island. Two returning players of Redemption Island season, one tribe pogongs their way to the end, et cetera.
[00:59:14] In my opinion, there's a lot more there, there. And I'll be excited to get into all there with Christian, your good friend and fellow David vs. Goliath cast member, Gabby Pascuzzi. Good get, good get. I love talking with Gabby about the show and anything
[00:59:29] and she's got such wonderful takes. You're going to have a great time with her. Do you have anybody on your short list off the top of your head from South Pacific you'd want to see come back? Look, I'm actually an Aussie apologist, amongst other things.
[00:59:44] I haven't thought about this deeply, but I think that people, I know we've seen a lot of Aussie and maybe you can say the same thing about him, about Russell, where he's seen a very similar game. I think that, I just want to give him
[00:59:58] a little bit of flowers in the sense that people forget that the guy almost won his first season. One vote away from winning his first season and arguably was one challenge away from winning South Pacific. I think people, at least in our community,
[01:00:12] I'm not sure if everyone gives him proper credit for those just because he had been so oversaturated for so long. I'm not saying he shouldn't be on 50 necessarily, I haven't given it that much thought, but I do want to say that about Aussie.
[01:00:26] All right, so we'll talk about Aussie, coach and much more on Monday. In the meantime, Christian, I know that at the time this is coming out, you might have something in the pipeline following the holiday weekend. What do you have to plug?
[01:00:40] Yes, yes, me and Rob Cisernino are doing another edition of Ask Dr. Hubicki coming out in a few days. So if you have questions that we want me and Rob to ask, you know, science questions, engineering questions, the reality show questions, or just anything in general,
[01:00:57] you can have your questions considered by going to robiswebsite.com slash askdrhubicki, A-S-K-D-R-H-U-B-I-C-K-I, if you want to get your question answered on the show. So look forward to seeing you there in a few days. Yes, so excited. That's one of my favorite podcasts.
[01:01:14] I feel like I learn so, so much as opposed to some of these other podcasts where we're just talking reality TV malarkey, but we've had so much fun getting to do it. You know, we obviously haven't reached the complete halfway point of this project,
[01:01:26] but taking the long weekend is an opportunity for me to reflect back onto it. And it has been such an incredible time getting to re-litigate all of these older seasons, especially alongside you, Christian, and our various amounts of guests. And I will tease, look,
[01:01:40] if you're gonna be missing the wishlist over the long weekend, maybe stick around Friday morning in particular for a surprise that might drop in your feed to commemorate the milestone that we have reached. Otherwise, we'll be back on Monday to resume the routine with Gabby Pascuzzi
[01:01:59] covering South Pacific. Thank you all so much for listening. Have a happy 4th of July to those who celebrate. Until next time, everybody, take care. Bye-bye.