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[00:02:50] Hi everybody, and welcome to the Survivor 50 Wishlist Podcast,
[00:02:54] the off-season Survivor Podcast series where we are determining who could and should be coming back to the beach for Survivor 50.
[00:03:03] My name is Mike Bloom, back for our second podcast in this absolute monolith of a series
[00:03:10] as we are going season by season trying to winnow down candidates for an eventual fan vote
[00:03:15] to determine your cast out there for the upcoming season of Survivor 50.
[00:03:20] Right now, we're taking the proverbial jump off of the rock and entering the waters of Survivor, the Australian Outback.
[00:03:28] And there is nobody I would want to do this with more than my co-host for today.
[00:03:36] I just got to introduce them.
[00:03:37] I won't even do any sort of gussing up or long introductions because I'm just too excited
[00:03:42] the fact that we get Josh Wigler back on the podcast.
[00:03:44] Hey, what's up?
[00:03:47] It's me, Josh Wigler.
[00:03:48] And if you don't know who I am, I'm like the old retired Survivor Press Corps member.
[00:03:54] I'm like the Roger Bingham of the Survivor.
[00:03:58] Just call me Kentucky Josh.
[00:04:00] Yeah, we call you like Long Island Josh.
[00:04:02] Long Island Josh.
[00:04:03] Yeah, that's me.
[00:04:04] It's Long Island Josh.
[00:04:05] Mike Bloom.
[00:04:06] Oh my God.
[00:04:08] Very excited to be here right now.
[00:04:10] Oh my goodness.
[00:04:11] Here we are.
[00:04:12] Of course, you and I have been talking about a very different type of island for a long, long time.
[00:04:18] Of course, when you let the Survivor beat, you have been covering everything scripted
[00:04:21] and perhaps Mike be continuing to do so in a different fashion on RHAP.
[00:04:26] But now we're not even going back to an island.
[00:04:29] We're going.
[00:04:29] We have to go out back.
[00:04:31] We have to go out back.
[00:04:33] Yeah, we're talking about the second season of Survivor.
[00:04:36] I'm so excited when we reached out to podcasters to do this.
[00:04:40] I had hoped that you would want to and especially I hoped you would want to do
[00:04:43] the Australian Outback considering this is a very special season to, you know.
[00:04:46] This was the very first season of Survivor I watched in its entirety live while it was airing.
[00:04:52] The first episode that I ever saw was the Borneo finale,
[00:04:56] and I was hooked and felt like I'd missed out on a whole thing
[00:04:59] and I wasn't going to miss out again on the Australian Outback.
[00:05:02] So I went through the full journey.
[00:05:05] And if you go back and you listen to the evolution of strategy, which is the audiobook
[00:05:10] Rob and I co-authored going through the first 30 seasons of the show vote by vote,
[00:05:16] you'll recall if you've listened to that recently and if you haven't to set it up,
[00:05:20] I think it's the end of the first chapter of the 30 chapter 300 plus hour evolution of strategy
[00:05:28] where I say, well, this next chapter season two, I think is the best season of the show.
[00:05:34] And if you look at like the timestamp on that, I just want to like it is like,
[00:05:37] what? Yeah, you know, this is I think summer 2014 is when that's recorded.
[00:05:42] So I just want to put that out there when optimism and survival
[00:05:46] Australia was at all time high in terms of time.
[00:05:49] Let the timestamp. Yeah, dig back to the archives.
[00:05:52] And I'm sure I say all sorts of terrible stuff.
[00:05:56] But some of my takes on Australian Outback from T.E.O.S.
[00:05:58] Especially when I think about people listening to that now, I'm like, I don't know how well that
[00:06:02] aged, but I can tell you that in my heart of hearts, this was this was obviously this was
[00:06:09] the beginning of an obsession for me. And I'm very excited to talk about it because I am feeling
[00:06:14] as fired up about Survivor as I have felt in the five years since I stopped talking about it
[00:06:20] because the allure of season 50 is pretty cool.
[00:06:24] And I really like that Jeff is not playing it cool where it's like
[00:06:29] it's season 30, but it's just season 30. It's season 50.
[00:06:33] It's not just season 50. It's season freaking fracking 50.
[00:06:40] And I'm excited for it. So as a as you dig into it, Mike,
[00:06:46] I'm ready to start digging into it a little bit myself.
[00:06:49] Yeah. So for those that either missed out on the first podcast I did with Rob in this series,
[00:06:53] or perhaps forgot over the course of the weekend, basically this entire experiment is that every
[00:06:57] podcast we are going season by season, myself and a guest, and we are talking through the cast
[00:07:02] of this season to determine a shortlist of, if you will, Josh candidates.
[00:07:07] We will throw them on the side of a cave. And those people mean we can't kill any of them.
[00:07:12] Well, I think I can. I think you and the guests can.
[00:07:16] I think I am the Jacob at this. Got it.
[00:07:18] But then what will happen is at the end of all this, after all 46 seasons,
[00:07:22] we'll then have a big fan vote with all these shortlist people in one big pool.
[00:07:27] They'll vote upon probably the hundred plus people in that pool
[00:07:30] and determine a fan voted cast of 20. It's a fun exercise to do,
[00:07:35] but also at the same time, maybe we're hoping that the eyes in the sky will have their eye
[00:07:39] on what we're doing here to see maybe some people that we as a community are
[00:07:43] interested in seeing back on Survivor. Mike, have you gone on record with what
[00:07:47] you want Survivor 50 even to be? I mean, I am really I think that the
[00:07:54] casting in the new era is far and away not to distract us into push us past
[00:07:59] the 50 minute time limit. I mean, what would be a podcast,
[00:08:02] Josh, that you and I did without listening to you tell Rob and these podcasts will be
[00:08:06] 50 minutes long. And suddenly, in my mind, a certain alarm bell started ringing.
[00:08:11] Yeah, Klaxon went off and the red hieroglyph showed up.
[00:08:15] Yeah, for me, I personally think that the new era casting is so incredibly strong that I would be
[00:08:20] fine with an old school versus new school. I don't think this will work.
[00:08:24] Where's the line on old school versus new? I think it would be pre 40 versus 40 plus.
[00:08:29] Jeez. I mean, there's if we're doing 10 v 10.
[00:08:32] Here's the thing is that I personally and this will not show in the people that I vote forward
[00:08:37] as maybe this will show today. I personally don't need to see like the legends back for their
[00:08:43] umpteen times because winners at war felt like such a coda for a lot of them with the show.
[00:08:49] And I would rather see sort of like the the one and done players from the pre new era come back
[00:08:54] versus some new era players. I don't know if 50 necessarily needs to be like, quote unquote,
[00:08:59] legends in their own way. Again, that will not reflect in the people that I'm putting forward
[00:09:03] because I am a weird person, to put it minimally. And so that's how I personally would like to see
[00:09:09] it just because I feel like we have such a rich depository of so many survivor contestants that
[00:09:14] haven't had those opportunities to come back from both the old era and new era perspective.
[00:09:19] Okay, interesting. Yeah, I'm sort of, I'm there. But I also feel like it's season 50. I feel like
[00:09:25] maybe you had to earn a legendary spot. So I'm of a couple of different minds. It'll be fun to talk
[00:09:30] through using the second season of the show as an example, because while they are not the Beatles,
[00:09:37] I think it would be a disservice to call the cast of the Australian Outback in relation to the
[00:09:41] Borneo cast wings like they're more famous than wings. Yeah, like it's not just Paul's next thing.
[00:09:50] They're like the stones like, yeah, I was gonna say that the stones was actually the closest
[00:09:53] comparison I would make where like, they obviously get compared a lot to the Borneo cast. They have
[00:09:58] more longevity, I would say, you know, it's as much as I'm talking about like, well, I don't want
[00:10:02] to see maybe umpteenth returnees on this is the cast that features I believe the most returnees.
[00:10:08] But some of these people I'd like to see like Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, like,
[00:10:12] how are you still doing this? Yeah, Keith Richards, you know, I mean, to your point,
[00:10:16] this is the season has by far the most eyes on it's only the one of two premieres to air
[00:10:22] after the Super Bowl, the attention span on Survivor was white hot, like the the sands next
[00:10:28] to the Herbert River. And so we are going to get into it all talking through who could and feasibly
[00:10:35] should be on a list. So we'll see. We talked about this with Rob, I think we'll try to incorporate a
[00:10:40] bit of like, who do we want to see versus who would want to come back versus who production
[00:10:44] would like to see come back, you know, we tried to create a bit of a suspension of disbelief,
[00:10:48] but also at the same time, maybe incorporating some realism in there as well. Okay, well, we'll
[00:10:52] see. Yeah, Rob broke all sorts of rules last time and it was only the first episode. So who
[00:10:57] knows what's about to happen now? Well, one rule you can all follow is to make sure you subscribe
[00:11:02] at Rob has a website dot com slash survivor fee. That's where you're going to find all of these
[00:11:07] podcasts in audio form, which are dropping on a week daily basis at 6 a.m. and video versions,
[00:11:12] which you can subscribe to at Rob has a website dot com slash YouTube will be dropping at 10 a.m.
[00:11:18] every weekday, separate weekends and holidays. Let's not carry any further, Josh. Let's get into
[00:11:25] the I'm done tearing. I've been tearing for a long enough. Your Terry phase is done during your
[00:11:30] un-tearing era. Yeah. Your Tara. Now I'm just full on deets in. There we go. Big and long.
[00:11:38] Let's just let's let's let's get into the deets with some of these contestants. And we're going
[00:11:43] to start from the top down. We're going to work through in specific groups of people.
[00:11:47] Let's start with the two that stood at the end of it all. The constellation versus the man from
[00:11:52] the Lone Star State. It is Tina and Colby, both of whom have come back three times, both of whom
[00:12:00] were voted out premerge and survivor all stars and then finishing the finales of their respective
[00:12:05] seasons. Josh, it's been a long time since we've seen either one of them. Yeah. So for the video
[00:12:10] version, Mike has pulled up the original cast photos of these contestants. And, you know,
[00:12:18] these days, like whether it's the great Robert Bowits or several of the other people who work
[00:12:24] behind the scenes getting those cast photos your way, they're typically on the Fijian Beach.
[00:12:30] Yeah. Right. Like location, tropical location. Part of it. I think one exception may be the
[00:12:38] survivor millennials versus Gen X cast. I think they didn't even get pictures. They pretty much
[00:12:42] just did action shots. Yeah, because they they had a really rainy day when that was supposed to
[00:12:47] happen. So they did all sorts of like green screeny things, I think, that looked horrible. So they
[00:12:51] just got action shots. I'm pretty sure that's how that worked out. In any event, we're looking at
[00:12:55] Tina and Colby from their cast photos. And I suppose I had forgotten how in that original run
[00:13:02] because it's definitely for Africa as well from our cases, if I'm not mistaken, Pearl Islands.
[00:13:06] Most infamously, I have blazed in my mind like the blue and orange backgrounds. It's like they
[00:13:11] made the survivors pose for yearbook photos. Oh, yeah. It's like the touch life studio that you
[00:13:16] get right here. But the photos were like, OK, pick the green background, the purple background,
[00:13:20] the blue background. Yeah. And I guess aging to me, Mike, is that I look at the photo of Colby
[00:13:26] specifically and I'm like looking at them like, oh, I could have been in my senior yearbook.
[00:13:32] And so like that feels bad. I mean, I could see a good senior quote would have been I only I only
[00:13:36] know how to do things one way and that's full tilt. Well, I only know how to do things one way,
[00:13:43] Mike Blume. That is also full tilt. And I I think I think the thing about survivor,
[00:13:51] the Australian Outback, especially for this exercise, Mike, and I'm trying to find a way
[00:13:57] to phrase this that doesn't rob too much drama out of my participation in this podcast.
[00:14:04] But my feeling is you go back to this season and is this not one of the ones where you would want
[00:14:10] to summon the legends? Like I feel like, yeah, I feel like if you're going to touch the Australian
[00:14:16] Outback with great respect to you, you have to touch it with some gloves. I think looking back,
[00:14:22] you know, some of these not a good place to some of these legends are contaminated,
[00:14:28] irradiated and should not be approached even with full PPE. You want to stay away from some of these
[00:14:38] legends. I think that there are there are certainly some within like the survivor hallowed halls of
[00:14:45] fame that feel like like you ask should and could, I think will get a call. And I think that
[00:14:53] that list for me, even thinking about the Borneo people, the very first sort of like obvious calls
[00:15:00] it's one of two, but one of them is here right now is Colby. I think I think Colby we haven't
[00:15:06] seen since Heroes versus Villains. You would think that that completes a really great arc between him
[00:15:12] and Jerry, but I know that that was nice to see. Wasn't that one of like the great survivor love
[00:15:18] stories of that period of time, at least in the story arc between those two specifically reaching
[00:15:25] some measure of peace by the end of it? Wasn't that just such a satisfying arc? And if we're
[00:15:32] still making this show going into its 50th season, does that arc have to be over or much like
[00:15:39] everything else that happens nowadays? Could it get rebooted? Yeah, I mean, Colby has had three
[00:15:46] wildly different seasons. I think people forget like he's the original challenge beast. He's the
[00:15:51] one that set a record that has still not been broken with five individual immunity wins in
[00:15:55] survivor history. He's also an incredibly fun character, like his confessionals are so much
[00:16:02] gold between, of course, you know, I know Hershey bar if if if some butts were candies and nuts,
[00:16:07] we'd all have a merry Christmas. Even going back to Heroes versus Villains, his infamous like
[00:16:12] 30 second pregnant pause confessional of like, damn, I nearly fooled myself as he talked about
[00:16:17] him sort of being on his last legs. Obviously, he has probably, despite the fact that he doesn't
[00:16:23] have his worst placement, probably his worst season in Heroes versus Villains that really
[00:16:26] started with him getting frog marched by coach, being called Superman in a fat suit, even sort
[00:16:31] of having a bit of a public breakup with Jeff Probst over not wanting to eat a piece of chocolate
[00:16:36] before a challenge that he ends up sitting out. That would be sort of my sticking point. And Rob
[00:16:42] talked about this as well as the difference, I think, between Tina and Colby. And we'll talk
[00:16:47] about Tina. I think Tina, if I'm coming forward like a choose your champion for this season,
[00:16:51] it'll be Tina because Tina was a close call to actually almost returning for survival a little
[00:16:56] while ago. Colby very much expressed in the moment after Heroes versus Villains that it was way too
[00:17:03] restricting of an environment for him that, you know, he was asking Candace who these people
[00:17:08] were. He was not happy that he couldn't just wander off and do whatever he wanted to and
[00:17:12] explore nature that he was kind of fenced in in multiple ways in this season. I don't know
[00:17:17] if Colby's experience in reality TV now hosting a top shot, a late great show as well as I think
[00:17:23] Top Chopper like there was a butcher reality. Yeah, he did. I believe it was called The Butcher.
[00:17:28] Oh yeah, straight up. It is what it says on the tin, much like Mystery Meat proper. So I don't
[00:17:35] know if that would necessarily put more fire under Colby to be like, oh, I want to come back
[00:17:39] to reality TV or if he's like, I've seen too much of for lack of a better term how the sausage gets
[00:17:44] made. I don't know if I want to do this again. Yeah. But I think, you know, it's been a long
[00:17:48] time since Heroes versus Villains and like the expectations on Colby, I think, would be different
[00:17:54] now. But I think at least in terms of like, I think it comes down to this, I guess is what
[00:18:00] I would say. You could you could say this about Colleen. You could say this about Greg,
[00:18:04] that those are people that like if they wanted to come back, like you would think that the ball
[00:18:09] is more in their court than not. I think even of those three, like Colby feels to me like such a
[00:18:16] Jeff Probst favorite that when Jeff imagines in his mind's eye, what does a 50th legendary season
[00:18:24] of Survivor have to include Colby, his like original Survivor crush you would think would be
[00:18:31] very, very high on the list. It's like Colby now has that John Dutton, Kevin Costner, Yellowstone
[00:18:38] upside. Oh, that's interesting. Could it be cats and everyone's like, oh, is Yellowstone merging
[00:18:43] with Colby back on the map? And then Colby is going to have a huge like Silver Fox era.
[00:18:50] Will there be a new wave of babies named after Colby Paramount Plus? Yes.
[00:18:54] Sherry's baby Colby is going to have a baby named Colby.
[00:18:59] I'll be junior. I'll be two or three, I guess. Yeah. Colby will like do just fine enough to be
[00:19:07] a personality in a confessional machine. And then we'll like him and his ranch will get a Paramount
[00:19:12] Plus reality show like that's the future. I see. Yeah. Top ranch for for Colby. But no, I think
[00:19:19] if Colby wanted to go back, he gets he goes back like this is a ball in your court sort of
[00:19:25] situation. I feel very strongly that Colby could just, you know, will himself back on the Survivor
[00:19:30] if he wants to, whether he wants to or not is a totally different story. But I imagine Jeff would
[00:19:34] be thrilled to have him back. Well, let's bat the ball to the person that was Colby's victor,
[00:19:38] the one that he mistakenly took to the final two here in Tina, who was, you know, one challenge
[00:19:44] away, Josh. People might not remember from becoming the second two time winner in a survivor
[00:19:49] history. She becomes she does get voted off in blood versus water, but does come back via Redemption
[00:19:54] Island, does make her way to the final four was the final person voted out there. I would love to see
[00:20:00] a Tina 4.0. It doesn't even feel like a 4.0 because she barely was in Survivor All Stars to begin with.
[00:20:06] She was the first person voted out there. And even blood versus water, she has sort of the extra
[00:20:11] wrinkle of having to play alongside her daughter. And so I think getting Tina to play sort of,
[00:20:17] I wouldn't say unfettered with no offense to Katie, but I think really independently for the
[00:20:21] first time since her first season would be really interesting. A lot has also happened in Tina's
[00:20:25] life. Tragically, I think the week of the blood versus water finale, she lost her son in a car
[00:20:31] accident. And I'm assuming it's just been a, you know, a really grieving process since not to
[00:20:36] mention, as I mentioned before, Tina was in talks to come back for winners at war. She had been
[00:20:42] contacted. There was a lot of conversation about it for whatever reason they chose to go in a
[00:20:46] different direction at the last second. I feel like we can't let that door close again.
[00:20:52] Well, that that piece of it makes me wonder if not that the door is closed, but if it's not in a rush
[00:20:59] to be open with Tina, the fact that if you were going to get Tina back winners at war feels like
[00:21:04] such an easy, like she would be the earliest winner that they would have had first woman to
[00:21:10] win the game. And they didn't bring her back for that, but they brought her back recently enough
[00:21:16] for blood versus water. And I don't believe I was doing any press at that time. I think it was right
[00:21:23] on the cut. It was right. The next season is Kageyan. That's where I really started after a
[00:21:28] little bit of a break from one world. And so it wasn't for that, but I think it was for first one
[00:21:33] out. I spoke with Tina because I wanted to get the perspective of the people who'd been voted out
[00:21:38] first for that podcast series. And so Tina, as you mentioned, is knocked out of all stars first.
[00:21:43] And I hope that I feel like I said this to her. I hope that I said this to her. I'm sure that I
[00:21:50] said this on the evolution of strategy that Tina has one of the fullest survivor experiences you
[00:21:55] could possibly get. Yeah, she wins. She goes home first. So she goes from first to worst.
[00:22:01] Then she comes back, gets like in that merge zone and gets knocked out. So understands what it's
[00:22:08] like to lose and having a majority get knocked in the blind side of the minority wins a redemption
[00:22:14] island comes back that way is participating on a blood versus water and then gets that fallen angel
[00:22:21] spot that really legendary right there at the gate that if she had walked through to your point,
[00:22:27] I do agree. I think she wins that season of Survivor very likely. So she has had a really
[00:22:34] complete set as far as a survivor player that I don't know what more there is to see or do with
[00:22:41] Tina other than she is so sneakily great. She really is. That's the thing. It would just be
[00:22:48] fun to see. I would love to see it. I don't know that it's like on my very top of the list of this
[00:22:52] cast, but close for sure. I think if there are winners to bring back, I mean, Tina was there was
[00:22:57] obviously a fair amount of people that were left off of that. Certainly ones that we will get to
[00:23:02] later on in this series. And Tina, to your point is like, I don't know, underratedly good at this
[00:23:07] game. And by a pick in the way that we hear after the fact, the way that she was kind of able to
[00:23:12] subtly manipulate a lot of stuff in Australia and outback. Obviously, she is the one that kind of
[00:23:16] helps push one of these first big flips that we've seen in the game where she Colby and Keith
[00:23:22] are able to turn on Amber, Jerry and Mitchell and completely flip and then make the final three
[00:23:27] together. The fact that apparently, you know, Tina was really pushing this narrative of like,
[00:23:32] remember, they hated the winner last time, so we should be the good guys this time. And that sort
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[00:26:51] All right, well, let's move into our jury for Survivor of the Australian Outback. Look at these
[00:26:55] people. Look at their yearbook photos. Oh, they're so good here. I love Nick with the sort of layered
[00:27:01] Nick shirt. Nick's got like his his elbow on his knee. Roger getting a shirt from Dan Flashes.
[00:27:07] Yeah, Roger went to Dan Flashes. Their clothes are exactly his style. All right, well, let's
[00:27:12] let's go over everyone. Maybe not their outfits. I'll be for another podcast in reverse finish
[00:27:16] order. We have Keith Fahmy, Elizabeth Fularski, but now Hasselback of the aforementioned Konductee Joe
[00:27:23] Roger Amber, then Burkitt, now Mariano, more famously the winner of Survivor All Stars,
[00:27:29] Nick Brown, Jerry Manthe and of course, Alicia Calloway. So, Josh, I'll go back to what you said
[00:27:36] before. By your logic, should we see a Jerry 4.0? Yeah, so my my feeling is you could just take two
[00:27:44] people from Survivor the Australian Outback for a 50th season and it would be Colby and Jerry
[00:27:51] that they're you know, they're they're dynamic in that season is so centrally located in the
[00:27:57] viewers experience. She is painted as the black widow. I think a 2024 view of Survivor the
[00:28:07] Australian Outback might play that differently. And what would that look like with her playing
[00:28:14] now versus Colby? She obviously had sort of, you know, over the years, like her intense experience
[00:28:20] with the fandom and the public and everything like that. And I don't know where Jerry is at
[00:28:25] now in terms of all of this, but I feel like I kind of feel like she would do it. But I'm basing
[00:28:31] that on nothing. Absolutely nothing. I mean, we're you know, we're throwing something at the wall to
[00:28:35] see what sticks. I agree. I do recall that. I don't think Jerry has explicitly said if she'd
[00:28:40] do something or not, but she has been very Survivor friendly. Like this is very redneck,
[00:28:45] but I feel like she did like a promo for a season of Survivor Quebec that started airing
[00:28:50] what years ago. So there is a Survivor up in Montreal, French language version that's
[00:28:55] a couple like professionally produced and everything. And I think Jerry did a promo.
[00:28:59] She did a promo for Survivor Quebec. I think so. I might be speaking out of my ass here,
[00:29:04] but I'm pretty sure that was she. What would she have been doing? Doing? I'm assuming speaking
[00:29:08] French. So I think Jerry is someone that like stays in the discourse. So to your point, I think
[00:29:17] if she did not come back for Heroes vs. Villains, that moment where she gives this plea,
[00:29:20] which again, I think pings a lot better in retrospect than it did in 2004 of like,
[00:29:25] we're people. Please stop treating us like we're TV. Hashtag Jerry was right. Like Jerry was right
[00:29:31] all along. It was Jerry all along. So the fact that she did come back for another season, though,
[00:29:36] I think goes to show that like she felt OK with the show where I would contest is sort of what
[00:29:41] you just brought up with Tina, where Jerry has a very interesting three season arc where, like you
[00:29:46] said, she becomes really the most like hated person on her season, let alone her tribe to
[00:29:51] the point where they stop a pogonging. They say we got to give out Jerry right here, right now.
[00:29:56] She goes in eighth place. She comes back the next season, still has a bit of a bad time,
[00:30:01] but does end up getting her revenge on Colby. That's the bellhop packing your bag.
[00:30:05] And then she goes from one of the biggest villains in Survivor history to like,
[00:30:09] I wouldn't say necessarily finishing a hero, but having this sort of big resolution to her story,
[00:30:13] right, that like she made good with Colby off camera. She definitely proved herself as a player.
[00:30:18] She won immunity for the first time. She made it to the final four where she is a fallen angel.
[00:30:23] I would sort of ascribe what you described to Tina, to Jerry of like,
[00:30:26] I don't know what a Jerry 4.0 would look like, but I also love Jerry with her frankness.
[00:30:32] And now she would sort of have that Silver Fox quality to her as well. I believe if recent photos
[00:30:36] are an indicator that it would just be great to see her back. I would love to see Jerry back.
[00:30:42] I think it would be really fun to see Jerry back independent of anything else. But I think in the
[00:30:46] context of Jerry and Colby, if we're just like digging into the soil from which Survivor grew,
[00:30:54] I think that these are the first two sort of I think that this is the first really gettable
[00:30:59] iconic pair like Greg and Colleen would be incredible. And I would upvote that over Colby
[00:31:06] and Jerry personally, because we had we would have never seen it before. It's the very first season.
[00:31:11] It would feel really electrifying and special. And I think you could do that instead of Colby
[00:31:15] and Jerry. But short of that, I think before you go to any one person on Borneo and you want to find
[00:31:21] like some sort of metaphorical Adam and Eve of Survivor, I think Colby and Jerry get tapped.
[00:31:29] Yeah, I think my favorite part of the Bible was when Eve asked Adam like, Hey, we're going to go
[00:31:34] on a date right now with the Garden of Eden. And Adam's like, God damn it. And he just said he's
[00:31:38] the one who actually takes the apple from the tree and the government finds him for it afterwards.
[00:31:41] Yeah, there's something to there's some sort of joke about chocolate covered ribs, but I can't
[00:31:46] quite get there right now. So on someone else that we need to talk about who I think would be someone
[00:31:52] that would feasibly get brought back were it not for the fact that her career has far superseded
[00:31:58] Survivor. Elizabeth is, of course, Elizabeth. Yes. Who was able to parlay this into, of course,
[00:32:03] a hosting spot on The View and then obviously a role on Fox as well, where I think she has
[00:32:09] expressed even in the moment she was one of the people that was allegedly contacted for all stars
[00:32:14] turned it down. And that's, you know, rumor based how Amber ended up getting on Survivor All Stars
[00:32:21] for people like Elizabeth and Colleen said no at the time. I think Elizabeth is not necessarily
[00:32:26] looking back at her Survivor experience in the way that Colleen did even in 2004. But it's safe
[00:32:31] to say she has it in the rear view mirror at this point. Yeah, I think by the time that this season
[00:32:37] would be airing, she's pushing 50. So she's even further away from this experience. And we're
[00:32:44] pushing 50 as well. That should be the name of the podcast. That's right. Pushing 50 is pretty good.
[00:32:48] You know, there's a two tricky get on the graphics. Let's reverse this. I feel like the
[00:32:55] further away she gets from Survivor, the more and more her other major life experiences probably
[00:33:02] piles up both for her as well as, you know, for my personal desire to see her play.
[00:33:09] But I also do think that she is on that list of people that she gets called and asked just because
[00:33:17] what if she wants to do it? So if Elizabeth wanted to do it, Elizabeth gets on. I don't
[00:33:24] have anything to base this on because I don't really follow her story anymore.
[00:33:29] Other than Josh, other than what you get in drips and drabs like she doesn't seem like she wants
[00:33:36] this right now. Her life is fine. And like she like exploded out there like she like everybody
[00:33:41] voted against a former Survivor reunion host, Rosie O'Donnell, and memorably, you know, so I feel
[00:33:46] like I don't think it's I don't think it's likely to happen. I don't I have a hard time imagining
[00:33:52] it. Not to mention, I mean, a survivor, the Australian Outback had it rough at one point.
[00:33:57] Jeff had to come in and trade them rice for, you know, their tarp, essentially, that nearly got
[00:34:02] washed away in a flood. Elizabeth had a very tough time. There was stuff about how she had to
[00:34:09] get like IVs fed to her towards the end of the game. She was losing her hair. And Josh, Jeff
[00:34:13] Probst recently said that the new era of Survivor is even tougher than the old era. So I don't know
[00:34:19] if that's something Elizabeth would willingly sign up for. Come on. Come on. Well, let's talk
[00:34:25] about someone who did. Let's talk about someone who did replace her on all stars and has a million
[00:34:29] dollars and a marriage marriage to show from it. Amber. Yes. What do you think? Are we lighting
[00:34:38] Amber's embers here? Do we think she just came back? She just came back. And look, I think the
[00:34:44] concept was was great that it was, you know, was a full winter season. Let's bring her back. It's
[00:34:50] been a full 32 seasons since we had seen her. I think she's currently tied with Ethan for the
[00:34:55] longest break in between return appearances. That being said, she got voted out second because of
[00:35:02] her connection to Boston Robb, and she hung out on the edge of extinction for most of this season.
[00:35:08] I wouldn't necessarily say I'm clamoring for an Amber 4.0 as much as not to put the car before
[00:35:15] the horse, but I would expect there's a very fair chance that Boston Robb will show up in this fan
[00:35:19] survey. It would be fun to put Amber on as well. But I don't necessarily see a if she would want to
[00:35:25] do it again and B if this is something that people are needing to see in terms of unfulfilled
[00:35:30] potential. Yeah, I think it happened on 40. And I think like the shot was to do better than she did
[00:35:36] on 40. And I think going into it, I would have thought that she had a really good shot there.
[00:35:41] And then like my read for all of that was so off. But like, I think like she would strike you as
[00:35:46] one of those people who has it's been so long since she's played and like, yes, she could have
[00:35:52] like tons of secrets up her sleeve. She beat Boston Robb. She has seen her husband play.
[00:35:59] They've probably talked about this type of stuff before. Like she is an expert already. And she's
[00:36:05] got that experience, too. And it didn't really come to bear when when she came back. And I think
[00:36:12] that like the story of her and Robb playing together, like that's also kind of done.
[00:36:18] I feel like I think you have like one sort of real go at that. But, you know, we are bringing
[00:36:25] the Boston Robb factor into this. It's like it is another iconic pair, obviously. So if 50 is some
[00:36:31] kind of like more like Hall of Fame type of idea, I do think that that could get some play.
[00:36:39] But I'm not terribly interested in seeing her play a fourth time.
[00:36:42] Just quickly rounding up the rest of the jury here. Keith, Roger, Nick, Alicia. I think Alicia
[00:36:49] would be the one I'd see the most appeal in. Of course, I will always wave my finger in your face
[00:36:54] is one of the most iconic quotes of the first handful of seasons. But almost like Amber,
[00:36:59] I kind of feel like we saw what we need to see out of Alicia in all stars.
[00:37:03] I'd be really interested to see Alicia now. I would. Well, I would. I don't expect it,
[00:37:07] but I would I would be I would be very interested to see how she plays now,
[00:37:10] where I think like back then when she got on for all stars, I think there was some like,
[00:37:14] oh, really, Alicia got on here and like you go back and you watch her stuff in this season.
[00:37:19] And like, yeah, she's she's an icon. What is Alicia? You know, what is Alicia 3.0?
[00:37:25] Like all of these years later, I'm interested. I would like to see whose faces get the her finger
[00:37:32] wagged in two front of. Well, that's the thing is that, listen, for keeping up with Survivor 46
[00:37:38] discourse, there's been a lot of finger waving going on. For what it's worth, I just looked up
[00:37:42] her quarantine questionnaire and when asked, would you play again at best? She said not likely.
[00:37:47] I'm all about moving forward, trying new things and taking on new challenges. So twice is twice
[00:37:51] enough for me. That's so Alicia. I can hear her delivering that answer. I would love to hear her
[00:37:56] delivering confessionals again. But I think it would be fun to see, but I don't expect so. That
[00:38:02] sounds like a pretty definitive answer. Unfortunately, to our chances, we're going to have
[00:38:05] to say a Rivadere cheese. Sayonara or as we say in my neck of the woods, see you later. See you later.
[00:38:11] But also I'll give ups to Keith and Nick. I feel like both of them have been doing some
[00:38:14] majorly impressive things. They wouldn't come back for a Survivor season, nor do I think they'd
[00:38:18] give me the update. What's happening with Nick? What's happening with Keith? So I think Nick,
[00:38:22] I'm pretty sure is and he's a he was a lawyer. Of course, I think he was a law student at the time.
[00:38:31] He ended up becoming, I think he was nominated by President Biden to be the United States attorney
[00:38:38] for the Western District of Washington. Oh, yeah. Really ascended up in the realms of government.
[00:38:43] And Keith, I believe, has made several, not seven Emmy winning documentaries. I think he did a
[00:38:48] talking with T-Bird where he really has transitioned to like photography, cinematography, etc. He's
[00:38:54] gotten out of the kitchen. Maybe Keith could get on the Survivor 50 as a camera person.
[00:39:00] I think. Well, that would feel like a bit of a step down. I think he could help film it.
[00:39:05] He could certainly help them chip in. But I don't know. He might have to get like an escalated pay
[00:39:09] for that. He'd be like, don't you know who I am? I think also maybe they can involve Keith where
[00:39:13] they infamously don't give rice to the new era contestants because they do something where like
[00:39:18] they are in school with Keith and no, they come in and teaches them how to cook. Well,
[00:39:22] I think the irony is that they offer them rice, but Keith makes the rice and destroys it all.
[00:39:27] He does all it's all goo goo. Jerry's like, fine, I'll make the tortillas again. Yeah. You know,
[00:39:35] I would be really psyched to see Nick Brown when I when I close my eyes and I think of like stark
[00:39:43] visuals from the hallowed halls of Survivor. One that really comes to mind is when Nick
[00:39:50] wins that balance challenge. I pulled the rope on the. Yes, yes. And he's just taking everyone down
[00:39:58] and the look of confidence on his face, the way he just like casts the line out. That's one of
[00:40:03] my favorite challenge performances across all of Survivor. Nick is really obscure. I don't think
[00:40:09] it's going to happen. And it sounds like he's doing a lot of incredible things outside of all
[00:40:13] of this. So I don't think it's going to happen. But I love I just I love Nick Brown did not have
[00:40:20] talking about Nick Brown on a podcast on my twenty twenty four bingo card. So this is great.
[00:40:25] This is why I'm excited for Survivor 50, because you get to talk about all these people.
[00:40:29] Well, let's move on to people maybe we're not excited to talk about.
[00:40:33] You talk about Roger. You wouldn't want Roger back. I mean, I love Roger back. I think Roger
[00:40:37] is considerably older. Yeah, he's the I think by the time that it would be filming or airing,
[00:40:45] he'd be almost 80 old enough to be president, but maybe too old to play a survivor.
[00:40:51] Also, listen, I was a great moment in the first reward challenge where he jumps off the rock.
[00:40:56] But there's I feel like nowadays survivor players would like castrate him for that.
[00:40:59] Right. Like we got to get him out. He's not swimming in these challenges. He's dragging us down.
[00:41:04] Yeah, I don't need to see that. I don't need to see that.
[00:41:08] All right, Josh, shall we traipse into the Boma?
[00:41:13] I know we're talking about tomorrow.
[00:41:15] But like the survivor of the Australian Outback pre-emerge.
[00:41:19] Wow. We are going to finish this podcast within 50 minutes because I have about
[00:41:24] 30 seconds worth of material here. I would say let's ignore the top row for those that
[00:41:28] are watching along. If you know, you know, otherwise we can talk about a select few.
[00:41:32] Yeah, perhaps specifically Mitchell Olsen, Marilyn Mad Dog Hershey, Kel Gleason. Josh,
[00:41:39] I really feel like we missed an opportunity for a wand off of you can call me Al, but you can call
[00:41:43] me Cal. Mm hmm. Yeah, well, it's never too late. You never know, especially if Cal gets that call.
[00:41:49] Which he would not because he definitively smuggled food into survivors.
[00:41:54] Is this definitive? Is this answered? Is this canonical?
[00:41:57] I believe people confirmed who were involved with the cast, like in AMAs after the fact that
[00:42:03] Cal had indeed like I'm still I'm still there was rumors about like grass, maybe selling it in his
[00:42:08] clothes. It was just grass. But you looked at me before and you thought I was putting jerky
[00:42:12] in my mouth. It was just grass in 2000. What? 2001? 2001. What an incredible bullshit excuse.
[00:42:21] Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Eating grass was like the survivor answer to my dog ate my homework.
[00:42:29] Just like an unbelievable thing to say. And I've said this. I said this on TOS that Cal
[00:42:34] was my initial winner's pick, my very first winner's pick. Wow. It came in tears like
[00:42:40] Cal is the first. Then it was then it was Colby after. And so Cal, when I like saw in like the New
[00:42:47] York Times or whatever, like the cast photos of everybody because it was so mainstream back then
[00:42:53] I was like that that guy, he'll win and then he goes home second. And yeah, he really earned that,
[00:42:59] didn't he? Yeah. I don't know if he's earned a second chance on a season like this. I think on
[00:43:06] a second chance theme season, I think Cal is a pretty funny person to put on that list. Funny.
[00:43:12] Yes. Good. No. Yeah. I don't know. Well, Mitchell Olson is also a very interesting one. I mean,
[00:43:19] it's tough because, you know, he ends up going out due to this previous votes tiebreaker due
[00:43:25] to, again, this pretty big flip in survivor in retrospect. The only reason I think I really
[00:43:30] demonstrably remember him is because I believe to this day he's still the tallest contestant
[00:43:34] in survivor history. He's seven feet tall. Wow. Seven feet is the victor. Webinar. Josh,
[00:43:40] you know that weight loss on you. But wait, he's several feet. There we go. I do it.
[00:43:47] Well, I know. But I remember not from the 30s. There we go. The feet are wet, Josh. And oh,
[00:43:55] oh my God. Yes. Thawing out, thawing out. Yeah. Mitchell, I think unfortunately he also seemed
[00:44:00] to really struggle out there. I think one of the reasons why he was voted out over Amber or Jerry
[00:44:03] is that like he was clearly struggling with nutritional deprivation. Mad Dog, God,
[00:44:10] like would be incredible, would be like the absolute wild card of wild card.
[00:44:13] This is the thing, like if everybody who comes on to survivor wish list is allowed to break one rule
[00:44:18] and I don't recommend that that's what you allow people to do. But if Rob is allowed to add four
[00:44:25] on the first week, like the thing that I would add is like Marilyn Mad Dog Hershey mandatory
[00:44:33] contestant on Survivor 50. I mean, when Brenda tells her to take out her teeth, she'll say like,
[00:44:38] OK, easy enough. No problem. You know, she loses those teeth. She'll still play. I'm ready,
[00:44:44] I believe, is what she said. Yeah, I'm ready to see that constellation back on my TV screen,
[00:44:51] though. I know that that is unlikely. What I would really love is to go back in time
[00:44:58] and prevent Mad Dog from getting voted out where she did.
[00:45:03] Would you like angels in the outfield style, hold her up during the challenge
[00:45:06] or she trips and makes Oga core lose? I don't know. I don't know how I would do it. I guess
[00:45:11] I think in retrospect, we should probably call some of those coaches premerge.
[00:45:15] Yeah, there's a lot of things that I would change.
[00:45:20] On that note, that's the cast of Survivor, the Australian Outback, Josh. So look,
[00:45:26] I honestly, to your point, not not a lot of dramatics involved here. I feel like
[00:45:32] we've got a good trio that we want to move forward with. Right. I'm not going to put
[00:45:38] words in your mouth, but I think we can put confidently Tina, Colby and Jerry.
[00:45:42] That would be where I would lean. And I would even like the I would go so far as to say,
[00:45:47] like, if it was just Colby and Jerry, I think that that's really sort of Australian Outback
[00:45:54] in a nutshell, you know, problematic people who are otherwise more iconic excluded, I think.
[00:46:03] So those would be the two that I would I would pass through if it was like just like
[00:46:07] I get to choose. I would put Mad Dog through, but it's not all at the record show that Josh Wiggler
[00:46:15] would want to put Mad Dog on the list. Yeah, I'd be psyched about that. But yeah,
[00:46:19] I think that this is going to be one of the easier seasons, I would think. Yeah. In terms of like
[00:46:25] who's gettable but desirable by production to Rob standards. I think that it's a small list
[00:46:33] on Australia. And I think of those three, one of them feels like if they asked would definitely go
[00:46:41] back and that's Tina. And then the question is not would Colby and Jerry get asked? I think it's
[00:46:48] would they want to say yes. And we're living sort of in this plausible deniability, vague phase where
[00:46:54] like the two of them at least are not on record saying they wouldn't. So we are leaning in the
[00:46:59] in the air, at least of like, well, we'll put them on for now in case they would want to.
[00:47:02] Yeah. So because of their sort of lack of answer, we're going to put them in the affirmative for
[00:47:07] right now. So yeah, Tina Colby and Jerry are currently in the fan voted to slowly accumulate
[00:47:12] anything. I did this with the raw podcast as well. Josh, I want to do this every time one more
[00:47:16] superlative to award here of the 13 people, probably not of the 13 of everyone else that
[00:47:23] we've talked about. Let's go with a wild card here, someone that we would want to see on a show
[00:47:28] that's not Survivor, one of these all star reality shows like The Challenge, The Traitors, The Goat,
[00:47:34] et cetera. Who would be your pick? Scoop in squid game.
[00:47:38] First squid game for real scoop in the floor is lava for real.
[00:47:53] The one that I would put through, Josh, I think you convinced me putting Mad Dog on the traders.
[00:47:58] I mean, all of this is always going to be like, who are you putting on the traders? Right.
[00:48:02] I mean, there's I think especially when we get to later seasons, especially with the more athletic
[00:48:06] people, I think there's a reason to be like we could put them on the challenge, if you will.
[00:48:10] I think Mad Dog really for me, I would be like, OK, put Mitchell on the masked singer and then
[00:48:16] like he would do his. I will survive. Yeah. Back from the outback. Yeah. But I think that would
[00:48:22] be just for me. I don't think anyone else would really care. Yeah, I don't also know. I've they
[00:48:26] do. They did have basketball players on the massacre, but I'm not sure if you could build
[00:48:29] a costume that like supports all seven feet of that man. Yeah. They would take Mitchell's
[00:48:34] helmet off or whatever. They wear helmets, right? I mean, sometimes glorified.
[00:48:40] His mascot. Who's that? Like a Mitchell. Yeah, I just think Maryland's history in law enforcement
[00:48:47] will be very fun. Also, the traders tends to have some older contestants on that. I think
[00:48:51] Mad Dog would be so set in her ways. Like imagine her interrogating people at a roundtable. It would
[00:48:55] be incredible. Yes, that would be really fun to see. And I think that that's probably her or Jerry.
[00:49:02] Jerry would also be great on the traders or Alicia. Alicia would be great on the traders.
[00:49:07] I actually think if Alicia has kept up the physical regiment that she had 20 years ago,
[00:49:13] I think she could do on like not the challenge proper, but like a challenge,
[00:49:16] all stars or a challenge USA, which features more of a like considerable crop of older
[00:49:21] people. I think she could be really good in there because I think she could also
[00:49:24] she's not afraid to scrap. Certainly she's not afraid to get in people's faces.
[00:49:28] Colby on another season of Top Shot. Would they bring it back? But would he be a contestant
[00:49:33] or the host? He's the host. Yeah, I mean, I actually enjoy that. I'm not a gun aficionado
[00:49:39] in many ways, but there were some very impressive trick shots they pulled off.
[00:49:42] Colby on The Butcher season to bring back the butcher.
[00:49:46] Hashtag bring back the butcher. Maybe Colby can make a deal like, all right,
[00:49:49] I'll do season 50, but you don't got to bring back the butcher.
[00:49:52] Yeah, so I just don't think that there are a lot of like, like it was iconic at the time.
[00:49:56] This season does not really stand the test of time in very many ways to the point that like,
[00:50:02] I think it's likelier that I would be in Fiji at the location of Survivor 50 than some of these
[00:50:08] people. And that's saying a lot because I'm nowhere near that. So I don't know which other
[00:50:15] shows they even go to. Elizabeth Flaherty will have whatever she wants. She'll have her own like
[00:50:21] the second view, the rear view, the rear view. That's right.
[00:50:27] And yeah, I think that that's that's where it's at.
[00:50:32] All right. So we have our three musketeers of Tina Colby, Jerry,
[00:50:36] joining the four pogongs that Robin I determine our first podcast of Jervis,
[00:50:41] Jenna, Greg and Gretchen tomorrow, 6 a.m. in your podcast, be 10 a.m. in your video feed.
[00:50:47] Eastern Time. I'll be back tomorrow, tomorrow with the castaways of a Survivor Africa.
[00:50:55] I didn't ask about this, but actually, Josh, I would love to ping our guests about tomorrow's
[00:50:59] podcast. Who, in your opinion, is your chalk pick to be on the list for Survivor Africa?
[00:51:05] Lex. OK, I want to see Lex. I'd be very excited to see that.
[00:51:12] I would, of course, be thrilled to see T-Bird. Obviously,
[00:51:16] that goes without saying. And I think Clarence Clarence. Yeah, well, we're about to get my three.
[00:51:22] We will get Frank and beans tomorrow as myself and Jason Reed will be breaking down the cast of
[00:51:28] Survivor Africa again. Make sure you don't miss a minute of this or the other survivor offseason
[00:51:32] stuff we have going on. Go to Rob has a website that come slash survivor fee to subscribe to our
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[00:51:41] YouTube channel where I'm sure y'all are leaving us plenty of comments at this point about what we
[00:51:46] got right, what we got wrong. It's all in the spirit of fun. We're having a good time. We're
[00:51:50] trying to build out a very fun fan vote at the end of this. And I hope people are enjoying it,
[00:51:54] Josh. I know I certainly did today. I had a great time talking to survivor.
[00:51:57] The Mike, it's been too long. It's been too, too long. But it might not be too,
[00:52:02] too long, Josh, before, you know, we're hearing you on podcast again. Is there anything you'd
[00:52:06] like to plug or tease social media wise? All I will say is post show recaps is over,
[00:52:12] but scripted TV coverage on R.H.A.P. is just getting started in a little while here. So
[00:52:18] you will not have to navigate away too far. If you're subscribed to R.H.A.P., you will hear from
[00:52:24] me and others on the scripted TV front before too much terribly longer. And if you would like
[00:52:30] to be subscribed to that original post show recap speed as well, that's going to undergo an R.H.A.P.
[00:52:37] transformation soon as well. So some really fun stuff. I haven't been so on the microphone,
[00:52:44] but I've been very much off mic working. So I hope to have some fun stuff to share with you all
[00:52:50] soon. And I hope you all dig it. And the first scripted thing you will cover is, of course,
[00:52:53] Colby in red eyes. Yeah. Gillian Murphy's hot right now. Yeah. Colby shared screen with a
[00:52:59] recent Oscar winner. That's right. Yeah. All right. Well, we are going to keep on rolling
[00:53:04] into Africa tomorrow with Jason Reed. But until then, everybody, thank you all so much. You did
[00:53:10] it. We're within 50 minutes. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Do not vamp. I swear to God. I was. OK,
[00:53:16] because you almost caught me vamping. I don't know what we want to live it over the 42 days,
[00:53:21] 42 minute limit, I should say, for Survivor the Australian Outback. All right. Wrap it up while
[00:53:24] we still can. Two minutes. All right. Thank you so much again, everybody. Josh, thank you so much.
[00:53:29] This is a fantastic. No, thank you. And hopefully not the last time we have you talking survivor in
[00:53:34] some way, shape or form. See better about it than I've felt in a long time. It's exciting stuff
[00:53:39] right now. Very exciting stuff. We'll be back with more exciting stuff tomorrow. Until then,
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