Survivor 50 Wish List | Ep 11: Guatemala with Jordan Kalish

[00:00:00] Zeit, deine Stadt in vollen Zügen zu genießen. Heute geht's mit deinen Freunden in deine Lieblingsbar. Lass dein Auto zu Hause stehen. Ganz einfach Fahrt buchen und unterwegs die anderen einsammeln. Über die Funktion Zwischenstops. So spart ihr Zeit und Geld. Klick aufs Banner und buche

[00:00:16] deine Fahrt. Bequem durch deine Stadt. Mit der Uber-App. Uber vermittelt Fahrten und ist kein Beförderer. Und ihr solltet zurückkommen für die kommende Fraternalsaison von Survivor 50. Mein Name ist Mike Blume und bringt euer Sonnenhut, euer Bugspray und euer Mönchenspray, glaube ich.

[00:00:58] Wir sind 11 Meilen auf dem Weg zu eurer Podcast-Feed, um über Survivor Guatemala zu sprechen, als wir in der dritten Woche dieser Serie anfangen, über eine Saison, die nicht viel Liebe von der Produktion hat, sondern von den Fans. Und deshalb denke ich, dass wir hier über eine gute Menge

[00:01:18] zweiter Chance möglichen Kandidaten sprechen werden, aber auch vielleicht einige Leute, die mehrere Mal zurückgekommen sind und noch einen Blick auf sie verdienen. Natürlich bin ich hier nicht allein. Ich hätte die Wörter Guatemala nicht gesagt, ohne diesen Mann, der nahe hinter mir folgt,

[00:01:36] bereit, dieses Figurier-Spiel von Mon Cala neben mir zu spielen, während wir versuchen herauszufinden, wer auf dieser Kurzliste stehen wird und hoffentlich nicht als Schlammhaut genannt wird. Es ist der großartige Jordan Kalisch. Hey, Jordan.

[00:01:48] Hey, wie geht's dir? Die Wörter Survivor Guatemala oder die Phrase Survivor Guatemala sind für mich das Batsignal. Du sagst es und ich zeige es. Der Link ist gerade auf meinem Bildschirm angekommen. Ich habe es geschaut und jetzt bin ich hier mit Mike Blume.

[00:01:59] Jordan, ich empfehle dir nicht, einfach Links zu klicken, die plötzlich auf deinem Bildschirm stehen. Du bist mit Malware infiziert, aber ich denke, du verursachst nicht alle Männer von Guatemala in den ersten Tagen. Ja, ich muss mich um Margaret kümmern,

[00:02:13] weil ich auf all die Links klicke. Hoffentlich werden wir dich heute umkümmern, denn wir werden versuchen, diesen Podcast zu verlassen und eine kurze Liste der Kandidaten für diese Fan-Poll am Ende dieses gesamten Experiments zu entscheiden. Guatemala, wie ich schon sagte,

[00:02:30] ist die untergewertete Saison von Survivor. Und das ist wahrscheinlich, mit einigen letzten Auslösungen, weil es eine der vergessensten Saisonen von Survivor ist. Wir haben darüber gesprochen, ein bisschen mit Marquesas, aber ich denke, die Elemente, die uns die Dinge in den Körper bringen,

[00:02:47] viele der schrecklichen Umstände, der Heiz, die Tiere usw., haben für eine kaptivierende, junge-basierte Television geholfen, vielleicht nicht so für die Crew, die da draußen lebt, und für eine bestimmte Menge Gründe, obwohl ich denke, dass wir ein unglaublich lustiges Team von Leuten haben,

[00:03:07] besonders wenn man die ersten vier Schuhe übernimmt, haben wir nur die Top 2 zurückgeguckt, was hoffentlich heute etwas Liebe geben wird, an diejenigen, die die Möglichkeit nicht hatten, zurückzukommen, vielleicht ein bisschen mehr in Richtung der Wünsche-Seite der Wünschliste. Jordan, lassen Sie mich Sie fragen,

[00:03:25] neben den Memes, was sind Ihre Meinungen über Guatemala? Ich würde mit Ihnen einander einstehen. Ich denke, es gibt viele Menschen in der RHAP-Gemeinschaft, die denken, dass Jordan Kalis' Lieblings-Survivor-Saison Guatemala ist. Und ich bin entschuldigt, aber Guatemala ist nicht meine Lieblings-Saison für Survivor. Jordan, hör auf,

[00:03:41] nimm es von einem Mann, der zehn Jahre in der Geschäftsführung war, du musst dir in die Memes einsteigen. Ich tue das, vertraue mir, ich lege mich daran ein, und ich liebe Survivor Guatemala. Ich sage das, und ich denke, du hast es perfekt gesagt, Mike,

[00:03:52] dass es die unterwertete Saison ist. Ich denke, wir hatten nie jemanden, wie du gesagt hast, zurück aus dem Programm, mit der Auszeichnung von Stephanie, die eher als Palau-Spielerin gedacht hat. Oh, Danny Erasher, Jordan! Oh, und Danny, der zurück aus Winter's at War kam.

[00:04:07] Also bis zu Saison 40 hatten wir nie jemanden zurück. Es war lustig, Danny zurück zu sehen in Winter's at War. Ich weiß nicht, ob sie wirklich in ihrem Element in dieser Saison war, aber es ist eine Saison, in der es so viele erinnerliche Charaktere gibt

[00:04:21] und lustige Dinge, die passiert sind. Ich denke, es ist eine der lustigsten Saisons in der Geschichte von Survivor. Und leider wird es vergessen, weil ich glaube, vielleicht war das Spiel nicht so dynamisch, aber ich denke, in bestimmten Umständen, nach dem Merge, gab es viele Zwischenräume,

[00:04:38] und dann hatte man einen großen Rückwärts-Win von Danny. Also ich denke, es gibt gute Dinge, die in dieser Saison passiert sind. Und es verdient mehr Liebe, als es bekommt. Ja, ich meine, ich habe darüber gesprochen, wie die Post-Allstars-Ära von Survivor, wahrscheinlich durch Micronesia,

[00:04:51] ist, was ich die Experimental-Ära von Survivor nennen würde. Und Guatemala ist ein wichtiges Beispiel dafür. Dies ist der erste Mal, dass wir zurückgekehrte Spieler neben neuen Spielern spielen. Und die Rückkehr von Bobby, John und Stephanie frisch aus ihrer Zeit auf Palau,

[00:05:07] die manchmal für und gegen sie funktioniert, aber ich denke, das hat eine Menge Gespräche zu dieser Zeit erbracht, wie unfair die Vorteile der zurückgekehrten Spieler sind gegenüber neuen Spielern. Dies wird natürlich die erste Einstellung der versteckten Immunität-Idol sein.

[00:05:22] Nicht in der Form, die wir heute kennen und lieben. Es ist eher wie ein zweites Immunitäts-Nachhaltes, das man vor dem Wahlen spielen kann. Aber zu deinem Punkt über das Spiel, ja, es sieht nicht so stagnant aus wie die krokodilgefüllten Flüsse, die Guatemala umkreist,

[00:05:38] bis zum Punkt, wo sie nicht mehr rein können, außer für den Pool, den sie installiert haben. Ich denke, es gab einige legitime Übergänge, wenn man sich in der Zwischenzeit anschaut, als Nekum mit einem nummerischen Vorteil und dann Judd übersteigt,

[00:05:50] um gegen seine ehemaligen Träume zu wählen. Oder so etwas wie Brian, der versucht, seinen Weg aus dem Boden zu ziehen und er schafft es, Blake rauszuholen. Gehen wir zur Merge, ja, wir haben Danny's Alliance ein bisschen kalt, aber es gibt Dinge wie das Jamie-Suit,

[00:06:06] das Judd-Suit, das Cindy-Suit, das Lydia-Suit, wo es nicht unbedingt eine Linie zwischen einem und dem anderen ist, und es wurde von diesem 1-2-Punsch in Form von Rafe und Stephanie in den Entscheidungen gemacht. Nicht zu erwähnen, ich fühle mich wirklich so, obwohl es sicherlich Leute gab,

[00:06:25] die vorher überrascht und überlebt wurden, das fühlt sich an wie eine der ersten Male, dass man die Idee von Blindsights wirklich empfasst. Ich meine, Jamie sagt ganz ehrlich Blindsighted, nice! So macht man das. Und ich fühle mich so, aber ich glaube, das ist die Einstellung,

[00:06:44] die er vorwärts machen wollte. Natürlich gibt es noch andere Iconische Linien, wie Judds, ich hoffe, du wirst nicht von einem Krokodil getötet, Cindy, ich denke an dich, während ich auf dem Sonnenlicht meines neuen Autos schaue. Es gibt einiges wirklich Spaßes,

[00:07:00] besonders in der Post-Merge. Für Leute, die bis 1946 die Konflikte und Drama aus der neuen Ära verfehlt hatten, haben wir das hier mit der wilden, kulturellen, und überlebenswürdigen Geschichte von Bobby, John und Jamie gesprochen. Ich glaube, es gibt hier und dort in Guatemala

[00:07:18] eine Menge, nicht zu erwähnen, eine der kulturell basierenden Saisonen in der Überlebensgeschichte. Das kommt mit einer gewissen Maßnahme der Abkürzung, aber wir haben viel gelernt über die Maya und alles, was sie auf sie beeinflusst haben, vom Basketball, zu Kalendern, zu Korn, zu den Kulturen,

[00:07:40] zu den Menschen, die sich in der Überlebensgeschichte beeinflusst haben. Ich würde sagen, dass die Maya vielleicht ein bisschen mehr einen Fotografier in der Geschichte haben, als Guatemala in der Überlebensgeschichte. Ich würde das angehen. Die Mayan-Leute sind definitiv mehr beeinflussend. Aber wie du gesagt hast,

[00:08:04] die erste Saison mit den Idols, das war eine sehr interessante Erfahrung, und ich glaube, dass wir uns da auch mit dem Team, mit den Leuten, mit den Menschen, mit den Leuten, mit den Leuten, mit den Leuten, mit den Leuten, mit den Leuten, mit den Leuten, mit den Leuten,

[00:10:04] mit den Leuten, mit den Leuten, mit dem Mann. und die Leute und die Leute und die Leute und die Leute Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. und hat gesagt, okay, ab mit dem Scheiß, gib mir eine echte Antwort.

[00:10:37] Sie haben den Film abgeschlossen, Danny hat die Frage genau die selbe Antwort beantwortet. Sie war überhaupt nicht im Sinn. Aber der Fakt ist, sie gewinnt eine der ersten Vorteile in Survivor Geschichte. Ein weiteres Experiment, sie gewinnt einen Herausforderungsvorteil in der Auktion.

[00:10:52] Sie kommt gut zusammen mit Rafe und Stephanie zusammen, bis sie ihr Nummer 3 wird, über Cindy, über Lydia, über Judd, und kann sich dem gewünschten Final Immunity Challenge und Rafe, der auf seine eigene Verpflichtung nach dem Ende geht, und Sumerili gegen Stephanie verliebt.

[00:11:11] Sie sind die Sieger, aber nicht Dannys beste Saison. Ich würde sagen, der Ausgleich führt sicherlich zu den letzten, und zu deinem Punkt bin ich mir nicht sicher, ob es nur der Tatsache ist,

[00:11:21] dass sie früh weg war, oder weil es so viele andere große Bombenballspiele gab, insbesondere früh, und Danny war immer noch so Danny. Aber es stellt sich die Frage, Jordan, haben wir genug von dem, was, wenn, mit Danny für Zeit Nummer 2 beantwortet?

[00:11:39] Oder, wie sie es ausdrückt, möchtest du sie für Zeit Nummer 3 sehen? Ich denke, in Winters of War. Sie war vielleicht ein bisschen wie ein Krokodil aus dem Wasser, aus den Schwäben von Guatemala. Sie hat klar ein gutes Spiel in Guatemala gespielt.

[00:11:56] Ich glaube nicht, dass es der spannendste Sieg aller Zeiten ist, aber sie hat getan, was sie tun musste. Sie kam zum Ende, sie hat ein sehr unter dem Radar-Spiel gespielt, und ich denke, sie hat gezeigt, warum sie der Überlebenssieger ist. Und sie war deutlich besser als Stephanie.

[00:12:10] Winters of War, ich denke, vielleicht ist das Spiel für Überlebenssieger vorbei. Ich denke, es sieht aus wie eine neue Ära, mit all den Wählerblocken und allen Vorteilen, die jetzt im Spiel sind. Und ja, sie war der Vorteil des Vorteils. Vielleicht der wichtigste Herausforderungs-Ebeneffekt-Winner

[00:12:31] in der Überlebensgeschichte, weil sie wahrscheinlich... Das sagt nicht viel, wenn man sich vorstellt, wie viele von ihnen waren. Nein, es ist normalerweise nicht so wichtig. Mit ihr wird das Spiel wahrscheinlich nicht gewinnen, ohne sie zu haben. Also gut für sie, dass sie den Vorteil hat.

[00:12:44] Sehr schlau gemacht von ihr. Aber ich denke, basierend auf dem, was wir in Winters of War gesehen haben, müssen wir Danny nicht wieder als Überlebenssieger sehen. Wenn er wieder da wäre, wäre es cool. Er wäre der Gewinner der unterwertesten Saison aller Zeiten

[00:12:59] und meine vermeintlich liebste Saison, zurückzukommen. Aber ich würde lieber Leute sehen, die ich noch nicht aus Guatemala gesehen habe. Und ich werde Stephanie nicht in diese Kategorie stellen, weil Stephanie, rechtlich von der Palau-Podcast, die Kategorie auf die Liste kam. Wenn sie eine Überlebenslegende, eine Überlebensallstar 2 machen...

[00:13:16] Stephanie ist eine bonifizierte Überlebenslegende. Wir haben sie auf den Traders gesehen, wo ich denke, sie war Spaß am Spielen. Ich denke, Überlebensleger sind definitiv mehr ihre Geschwindigkeit. Aber als der zwei Leute auf diesem Board, würde ich definitiv lieber Stephanie zurück auf dem Show sehen.

[00:13:36] Wenn Danny da wäre, wäre ich sehr überrascht. Ich stelle sie nicht auf meine persönliche Liste. Sie ist nicht mein Lieblingsspieler aus Guatemala, obwohl sie der Gewinner war. Aber es war cool, sie auf der Show zu sehen.

[00:13:48] Ich wünschte, wir hätten vielleicht ein bisschen mehr von ihr gesehen, aber ich denke, wir haben keine Grund. Ja, ich denke, sie ist ein super solider Spieler, sie ist in dem gleichen Boot wie Amanda Kimmel. Es scheint, dass sie fast jede Saison, die sie spielt,

[00:14:02] ein bisschen weiter gehen würde, weil sie natürlich athletisch ist. Sie hat eine Strategie und soziale Fähigkeiten für Tage. Aber ich habe das Gefühl, dass sie etwas an den Weg gegangen ist, um sie zurück zu bringen. Besonders mit dem Was-if,

[00:14:17] als sie ihr Spiel so stark gespielt hat, wie es in der ersten Saison war, hat sie gesagt, dass sie, vor der Saison, allein durch Spieländerungen, aber auch durch die Saison, sie nicht alles gespielt hat. Sie hat in Instagram-Lives und Podcasts gesagt, dass sie jetzt zurück will,

[00:14:37] für eine dritte Saison. Es ist also nicht so, als würden wir jemanden sprechen, wie Amber oder Ethan, der sagt, nein, ich bin fertig, ich brauche das nicht mehr. Aber ich persönlich fühle mich okay damit. Die Leute können sich nicht einig sein,

[00:14:50] weil ich denke, sie haben da vielleicht ein wenig unerforschtes Potenzial. Für mich wurde die Frage beantwortet, aber Dany, kommst du zurück? Ich denke, wir werden uns besonders für eine sehr schwierige Zeit entscheiden, nur ein seltenes Team von Leuten aus dieser Liste.

[00:15:03] Und Dany wäre wahrscheinlich ein Nummer 5 oder 6 für mich. Es gibt so viele Leute, die nur einmal gespielt haben, oder vielleicht haben sie mehr als einmal gespielt, aber es ist so lange her, und ich möchte mehr von ihnen sehen. Ich werde Dany nicht auf meiner Liste

[00:15:16] vor ihnen stellen. Wenn sie aufhört, werde ich nicht auf Twitter stehen, und fragen, wie man Dany Boat zurück auf Survivor stellt. Ich würde sagen, cool, schauen wir mal, was passiert. Aber wiederum, nicht so hoch auf meiner Liste. Ich glaube,

[00:15:28] es ist ein sehr schöner Zeitpunkt für Dany. Wenn sie in der letzten Phase auf den Wettbewerb zurückgekehrt wird, dann ist es ein sehr guter Zeitpunkt für Dany. Ich glaube, sie hat einen sehr guten Start und hat eine sehr gute Chance auf den Titel.

[00:15:38] Aber ich glaube, wenn sie sich auf die Frage stellt, ob sie für Game Changers zurückkommt, würde das für sie eine sehr gute Chance sein, als Sie für Winners of War waren. Winners of War war eine Saison, in der alle alten Spielern getargetet wurden.

[00:15:49] Game Changers war eine Saison, in der alle randomen Leute am Ende kamen. Und ich denke sogar, als Sie gewonnen haben, hätten Sie vielleicht einen Sieg in der Wahl von den Chiefs in der letzten Phase dieses Jahres. Das fühlt sich an,

[00:16:00] als ob es sich um eine Siege handelt. Das ist wahr. Ich denke, wir werden später ein bisschen weiter mit Taylor Swift in diesem Podcast. Aber Dany, vielleicht bringt sie alle Swiftys mit, weil sie zu einem ehemaligen Chief aus Kansas getroffen wurde. Ja,

[00:16:14] fangt euch Dany und Charlie zusammen an, alle Gespräche, die sie haben können. Harrison Bucker denkt nicht, dass Dany auf Survivor sein sollte. Oh Gott. Aber überraschend ist es nicht, um zu viele andere Podcasts zu machen. Nicht das letzte Mal, dass Harrison Bucker in dieser Serie

[00:16:28] in Bezug darauf wird. Oh nein. Nun, lasst uns zu unserem Juristen zurückgehen. Oh, warum habe ich den Palau-Juristen hier draufgelegt? Oh, hi Palau. Da haben wir es, perfekt. Ich hatte gerade Palau auf dem Gehirn wegen Stephanie. Hier sind die richtigen Personen, die darüber sprechen

[00:16:46] und was für ein Gruppenteil darüber sprechen. Wiederum, ein unglaubliches Gruppenteil von Charakteren. Wir haben Rafe, Lydia, ein guter, Jamie und seinen Gegner Bobby, John. Wo wollen wir hier anfangen, Jordan? Wir haben eine Menge Menschen, die darüber sprechen. Also, ich denke, lasst uns anfangen

[00:17:05] was wir schon im ersten und zweiten Platz haben. Lasst uns zu unserem dritten Platzspieler gehen, Rafe. Also, Rafe ist, würde ich sagen, einer der stärksten Spieler, um das Spiel nicht zu gewinnen. Ich denke, viele Leute erinnern sich an Guatemala, als Stephanie in der Pflicht war

[00:17:22] und sie für das Feuer gebrannt hat. Rafe war in dieser perfekten Position, wo er diese Entscheidungen neben ihr machte und sie ohne Feuer betrat, obwohl es 104 Grad in Guatemala war. Das war so ein guter Polizist gegen Stephanies schlechte Polizist auf eine Art, dass er diese Entscheidungen

[00:17:40] neben ihr machte, um Leute wie Jamie zu trennen, Leute wie Judd zu trennen, aber auch gute Freundschaften und Beziehungen mit ihnen zu machen, bei denen sie nicht so gebrannt fühlten wie Rafe, vielleicht die einzige Ausnahme ist der Cindy Boot, wo es sich anscheint, dass Rafe

[00:17:55] sehr verärgert fühlt von ihr, dass sie diesem Auto nicht geben und jedem anderen und er entscheidet, um ihr Ausruf zu überlassen, aber auch dann scheint es, als wäre Cindy mehr oder weniger verärgert an Stephanie als an Rafe. Rafe hat so ein bisschen

[00:18:11] eine Art Schrecken am Ende, die wir von Spielern in dieser Ära sehen, wie Twyla, wie Ian, wie Dreams, wo er und Stephanie diese kontroversen Entscheidungen treffen, wo es trotz Danny nicht immun ist, sie nehmen Cindy aus, sie nehmen Lydia aus, jetzt gibt es Gründe dafür

[00:18:31] und dann geht er in die letzte Drei und sagt Danny wiederum Ian es ist okay ich weiß, du hast dir versprochen mich zu dem Ende zu nehmen du musst das nicht mehr tun und wiederum die Leute sehen das als ein Verschwinden zu Ende, ich glaube nicht, dass Rafe

[00:18:49] das hat, aber es war immer noch ein Augenbrauen Raser, wenn es zu besonders der großen Spieligkeit kam, dass Rafe hatte, aber ich glaube, Rafe hatte ein wirklich kompetentes Spiel , auch von einer Herausforderung perspektive, ich glaube, du hast drei, vielleicht vier individuelle Immunität Herausforderungen gewonnen, aber

[00:19:19] es ist auch ein sehr kompetentes Spiel, und ich glaube, es ist eine Herausforderung , aber es ist eine Herausforderung , und ich glaube, es ist eine Herausforderung , aber es ist eine Herausforderung , aber es ist eine Herausforderung und ich glaube, es ist eine Herausforderung , aber ich glaube selbstverständlich, dass es

[00:20:02] eine Herausforderung ist. Und vor allem ist es eine Herausforderung . Es ist eine Herausforderung , Erstens, warst du jemand, der eine Einflussnahme hatte, oder warst du nur ein Führer? Ich glaube nicht, dass Stephanie und Rafe nur ein Führer waren. Sie spielten strategisch sehr gut zusammen.

[00:20:29] Sie waren die beiden, die ich finde, die am meisten Influentialen waren, und die am meisten auf jeden Fall zu Hause waren. Die Unterschiede sind, Rafe war mit allen Freunden, alle mochten Rafe. Und die Grundlage, warum Stephanie den Danny verloren hat, ist,

[00:20:42] dass Stephanie nicht so gut gefällt wurde. Ich denke auch, dass sie den Rückkehrspflichtstigma hatte, den Rafe nicht. Ich denke, wenn Rafe Danny von seiner Verpflichtung auslöst, weiß ich nicht, was Danny hätte getan.

[00:20:55] Sie hätten Rafe wohl trotzdem gewählt, es wäre klar, dass es die richtige Entscheidung gewesen wäre, und niemand hätte Danny von dem Zweite-Teil-Versuch mit Rafe verletzt. Aber Rafe ist ein Schriftsteller, und eine meiner Lieblingslänge im TV-Show-Geschichte ist

[00:21:11] dass es keine Halbmehrungen gibt, um das zu brechen. Ich glaube, das war eine Halbmehrung, in der er... Keine Rafe-Mehrungen. Keine Rafe-Mehrungen, ja. Er hatte Danny, was natürlich nicht wirklich gezwungen war, weil er alles machen konnte, was er wollte, wenn er die letzte Immunität gewinnt.

[00:21:25] Aber ich denke, sein einziger Fehler war dieser kleine menschliche Moment. Und es kommt nach dem anderen menschlichen Moment, der nicht das Hühnerfleisch essen, was ich nicht wirklich... Ich denke, er hätte vielleicht die letzte Immunität gewonnen, wenn er das Protein vom Hühnerfleisch hatte.

[00:21:38] Wenn er das magische Hühnerfleisch-Juju in ihm hatte. Ja, genau. Aber nein, ich denke nicht, dass das der Grund ist, warum er verloren hat. Ich denke, das war nur ein guter Wettbewerb für Danny. Ich denke, sein einziger Fehler war, dass er ihr von diesem Versprechen verlassen hat.

[00:21:49] Aber wer weiß, Danny hätte den richtigen Weg gemacht, und zwar Rafe auszuholen. Aber das Fakt, dass wir hier alles über Rafe sagen, ist, dass er eine so gute Person ist, die man zurückbringen kann, denke ich. Weil er so gut am Spiel war,

[00:22:00] aber am Ende diesen einen potenziellen, fatalen Fehler gemacht hat. Und er ist der Art Spieler, den ich wiedersehen möchte. Und Season 50 wird mit diesen großen Threaten gefüllt werden. Und ich denke, Rafe ist ein großer Threat. Aber er wird nicht als größter Ziel angesehen,

[00:22:14] wenn man Leute hat, die auch sehr gute Spiele gespielt haben, aber noch mehr. Ja, also hat Rafe in seinem Quarantäne-Questionnaire vom Dezember 2020 gesagt, als er gefragt wurde, ob er wieder spielen würde, dass das Timing mit meinem Arbeiten nie ausgefallen ist.

[00:22:26] Und ich denke, bis jetzt erinnert niemand, wer ich bin. Ha! Aber wenn sie gefragt hätten, natürlich. Was von der Fansperspektive ein bisschen Neues war. Weil ich glaube, dass er gefragt wurde, zumindest einmal nach seiner Zeit in Guatemala, aber er hat sich wirklich in die Hollywood-Reise gewechselt,

[00:22:41] mit seinem Karrierebeginn in der Schreiberei. Natürlich hat er angefangen, bei Agents of Shield zu arbeiten, bevor er die Showrunner und Hauptschrifterin von The Wheel of Time auf Amazon wurde. Ich weiß, er entwickelt ein paar andere Shows gerade. God of War, Warhammer auch.

[00:22:55] Also ich denke, es könnte schwer sein, aus einer Praktikalsichtperspektive ihn wegzulassen. Aber ich denke, Survivor würde dazu beitragen. Ich denke, das Mike White Beispiel ist ein großartiger. Ich denke, es könnte sein, selbst wenn Rafe sagt, niemand kann erinnern, wer ich bin.

[00:23:11] Ich denke, es ist jetzt ein bisschen ein Anspiel auf Rafe, um ihm etwas mehr zu schnauben. Er ist nicht exakt Mr. Schneebly in Bezug auf die Aufschreibung. Aber Rafe ist jemand, der sich so entwickelt hat, diese ziemlich große Figur, wenn es darum geht, diese TV-Shows zu kreieren,

[00:23:28] wo ich denke, er könnte kommen. Und während wir über Menschen sprechen, die sich seit der letzten Zeit verändert haben, ist es sehr anders für Rafe. Es ist mehr beteiligend, als persönlich. Und das könnte auch ein wirklich lustiges Narrativ sein,

[00:23:39] wie Survivor mir geholfen hat, meine Karriere zu überwinden, in die Entertainment-Industrie zu kommen. Und jetzt bin ich zurückgekommen und habe versucht, meine eigene Geschichte auf einen anderen Weg zu schreiben. Und er sagt nicht exakt Nein dazu. Ich denke, es könnte schwer sein,

[00:23:53] aus einem realistischen Blickwinkel herauszuarbeiten, gegebenenfalls mit all den Schalen, die er hat, seine Finger in Schalen aus Korn. Gleichzeitig, wieder einmal, das ist ein bisschen ein fiktionelles Übungsausdruck. Und wenn Rafe nicht Nein sagt, wer sind wir, um das gleiche zu machen? Genau. Ich denke, er hat einen Platz

[00:24:09] für ein zweites Spiel. Und ich denke, mit Rafe, es hängt auch davon ab, was das Thema ist. Wenn du es als Survival-Legende nennst, ist Rafe eine Survival-Legende? Wahrscheinlich nicht. Aber wenn es, du weißt, Helden gegen, naja, Helden gegen Schäden,

[00:24:24] er ist ein bisschen ambigös, weil er ein schädenloses Spiel gespielt hat, in dem er nach seinen Zielern ging. Er war meistens der Person, der die Strategiker der Saison ist, und die Szene als Schäden. Aber ich denke, er wurde sehr heroisch von seinen Trägern angesehen.

[00:24:34] Also denke ich, er könnte in einer dieser Gruppen passen. Aber wenn du eine alte Schule gegen eine neue Schule hattest, oder wenn du nur einen Allstar hattest, denke ich, er ist ein Allstar-Galler. Und ich denke auch, wie Jeff immer sagt, du kannst von einem David

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[00:25:48] schrägstrich try eingeben und loslegen. Made for Germany. Powered by Shopify. Well, let's move on to another big personality from this game, arguably one of the biggest, Judd Sargent. Judd, if I could describe him in one word, it would probably be belligerent. This is somebody who from

[00:26:11] the very first tribal council he goes to, goes on to a diatribe, a diatribe, if you will, about we're just going to take the ball down the damn field. Man, we'll do it all the way every single time. When Jeff asked him like a three word question

[00:26:23] and that just opened up a whole can of worms as to who Judd is. Obviously, he is going to go on this tirade on Margaret, infamously during the double tribal council. And that's an attitude he's pretty much going to maintain the entire time where he ends up

[00:26:38] really falling in line behind Stephanie and Rafe once that swap happens, sticks with them until the bitter end where he is blindsided. And then, you know, well, he doesn't have the kindest words for Danny. Talked about her unlacing her ice skates right from all

[00:26:53] the gliding she's done over the course of this game does vote for her to win. Now, there have been some differing reports, Jordan. I believe some people have said that according to production, Judd was difficult to work with, which, listen, given I think his temper

[00:27:10] kind of would make sense. And so some people might think, OK, he's on the definitive no fly list, quite literally no flight to Fiji should be noted. According to Judd himself on talking with T-Bird, he did get interest calls for heroes versus villains and blood versus water.

[00:27:27] So it's not incredibly recent. But I do wonder the validity of those reports, considering that it seemed like they wanted to play at least a little bit of ball with Judd following Guatemala. Yeah, I mean, look, I can't speak from the production point of view.

[00:27:42] He maybe he was very difficult to be around. But as a character on the show, he is the number one person I would want to see back. And to me, the fact that they make he was the biggest character on the season. He gets taken out

[00:27:55] in this spectacular way and has this incredible exit. And it's kind of amazing that he's never played again, especially when nine seasons later it was sitting right there. Heroes versus villains. He was one of the biggest villains of this like middle school, like 11 through 19 era of Survivor.

[00:28:10] I think he's more fun than a Russell Hans. I don't think he's as necessarily, you know, as as, you know, control. He wasn't like controlling the votes really, but he was in on a lot of the stuff maybe in the early merge. But in terms of being

[00:28:26] a villainous presence, but a fun villainous presence for the viewers. I think he's such a perfect character. And it's incredible that they've never brought him back. And maybe it is a personality thing with him in production. And if that's the case, it's probably not going to happen.

[00:28:38] But he is from and I guess I'm I don't know if I'm spoiling this too early, but he's my number one from this cast who I want to see back. Yeah, I mean, listen, I could absolutely see it. I know he's certainly been

[00:28:48] on a lot of people's list as to like this guy was absolute lightning in a bottle. Why has he not been brought back? I mean, the heroes versus villains question is obviously a big one. They just had too many people to fit in. That'll be a conversation

[00:29:01] I have with Rob on a different day. But yeah, Judd really sticks out, even though I would say that like Jamie might be personified as like the more boastful kind of like enemy frat in a college movie type of villain. And maybe Rafe and Stephanie might be personified

[00:29:18] as more like cold calculating villains. Judd is sort of like the big meathead villain, kind of like a Biff Tannen from Back to the Future. That's a great comparison. This is a guy that's going to come in and speak his mind. He single handedly,

[00:29:32] I think I would say quintupled or septupled the use of the word man in survivor history over the course of his time in the season. Just an absolutely fantastic personality. I did get the chance to interview him. I did a series for winners at war

[00:29:47] where since we couldn't do exit press because of the edge of extinction, I got to speak to people from the season of the person that was eliminated. So I was able to get on the phone with Judd and hear him talk about Danny, which was really interesting.

[00:30:00] So he obviously kept up with the show at least through 40. And he is dying to go back, which is interesting because you could think on the one hand, would this be a guy that did not positively receive his own edit of like, oh,

[00:30:14] they showed too much of me being bad and not maintaining relationships enough. But he is hungry, Jordan, to return. He even says it is talking with Tiber at the very end, like, hey, if anyone's listening from production, please put me on. I'm willing to go.

[00:30:30] So he's as thirsty for a return appearance as he was for those extra beers. Look, you said that you started this podcast by saying lean into the meme. If you're Judd, you should love your the edit that you got. That's OK. I'm sure there were times

[00:30:41] that people did like being around him, but they showed the stuff that made Judd such a good character. And that was all the stuff where he was getting in fights with his tribe, getting in fights, especially with Margaret and in the premerge, his exit,

[00:30:52] which is one of the best exits ever in Survivor. And you compare to Biff Tan and I think it's perfect. Judd has man, Biff has manure. Yeah, exactly. Puts the man in manure. I should also note some ages here. So Judd is 53 at the moment,

[00:31:07] which actually puts him on the younger end of things from the other players that we're bringing back here. He's the same age as Chris Doherty. Actually the same age as like people that we're going to talk about tomorrow in the form of Suri and Shane.

[00:31:20] Rafe is 41, which would actually put him on the younger side. A lot of us were very young on the show. Yeah, I think I believe he was 24 when he played or 22, actually. Really? Wow. I you know what? I think he carried himself so well.

[00:31:35] I would not have guessed that he was 22. Yeah. So these people would actually be comparatively on the younger side as well. Let's talk about the person that finished right before him in Gary Hogan. Jordan, listen, you're a man of sports, not a captain of sports.

[00:31:50] I might venture to say Gary Hogan. Boom is probably the most entertaining ex pro athlete we have had on Survivor. I 100 percent. I think that he was first of all, the Gary Hawkins Hogan stuff. I would like to see him come back

[00:32:05] to see if he tries to pull off Gary Hawkins again. I think in retrospect it is incredible. And maybe it's because, again, this was filmed and aired in 2005 where the Internet was less of a big thing. But the fact that this man,

[00:32:18] who is like a pretty well known NFL quarterback, walks in, decides I'm going to use the same first name and first initial, but change my name completely. No, I'm not an NFL quarterback. I'm a landscaper named Gary Hawkins. But then it gets to the extent

[00:32:34] where he gets called out for, oh, did you go to central Michigan and decides he's going to like tell a white lie in the form of, no, I went to central Michigan, but I'm not Gary Hogan. I went to the very specific kind of small college

[00:32:49] that Gary Hogan. Yeah, so I'm the same height and look the same. That's the thing. I look very much like Gary Hogan. 67% of my name is similar to Gary Hogan. I probably went to this college at the same time as Gary Hogan. But you are way off, sister.

[00:33:05] You're not Gary. I'm not Gary Hogan. He was my roommate. I used to look in the mirror and he was he was always right there. But it's not it's not me. Which and the fact of the matter is, though, the reason why I say even outside of that,

[00:33:15] why he was so entertaining is because like he had a little bit of fight to him. He had a little bit of a mouth on him when it turned out that the cards were not in his favor, especially at the merge. He ends up finding the first ever

[00:33:28] hidden immunity island. Not only that, he did it without a clue. Russell Hance, get your heart out here where he's just tailing Judd, who has this clue, who tells everybody, all right, the clue says it's definitely on the ground. And then Gary just observes

[00:33:43] Judd gazing up in the trees like he's birdwatching. And that was that was his clue, Mike. He did. He did. He had the clue. Whatever Judd said, just do the opposite. And that's going to be going to be where the where the idol is.

[00:33:54] Yeah, I think he's got a clue. And so he snatches it right under from Judd's nose, plays it admittedly when he doesn't need to. But again, he just saw his alliance member get taken out in Brandon. And then even when doom is spelled for him, he goes out.

[00:34:08] I wouldn't say swinging, but certainly mouthing off in his final tribal council. He's talking about how everyone's idolizing Stephanie, but they can get her autograph after the show. He calls out Judd for saying I've never told a lie. And Gary says, well, here's a lie.

[00:34:22] The idol is definitely on the ground. And I think even though it was not something that won him any brownie points, it certainly did from the fandom. Now, Gary, I think has kind of disappeared in the interim since. Obviously, he has led a life

[00:34:37] of both before and after Survivor. He is 65 years old, which would look wouldn't be the oldest person we'd put on this list. But because we haven't gotten a formal answer from him as to whether he would come back, I would be slayed to put him

[00:34:51] a bit lower on this list than some other people who have said yes. But damn, I would love it. I'd absolutely love it. If we have season 50 with with Gary Hawkins, Hogan, boom, I would be very happy. I think just I've always been a big Gary fan.

[00:35:07] I think he's one of the people who made this such a fun season. I do think I'd rather see Judd and Rafe, but Gary. If he would just be such a nostalgic guy to have to have back on the show and I think would maybe come in with

[00:35:24] definitely less of a target than Judd, because Judd's going to put a target on himself from day one. So I think he would do better than Judd. I think he's a better player than Judd. And I think that, you know, if there's a lot of let's say

[00:35:34] it's a bunch of these like new era super fans that get on who are like doing Survivor trivia podcasts like they are, they're all going to know who Rafe is. They're not going to sleep on Rafe. They're going to know how good of a player he is.

[00:35:46] So I think Gary can look under the radar more than a Rafe or and clearly more than a judge. I mean, there was a little bit of, I would say, convenient or inconvenient casting that, of course, Gary was cast on the same season as a sports radio host

[00:35:57] and recognized him immediately. But I feel like nine out of ten times people aren't necessarily recognizing Gary Hogan, especially nowadays, where you add to your point, they're bringing on Survivor super fans, not Dallas Cowboys, super fans, maybe Danny McRae would recognize Gary Hogan. So, yeah, I don't know

[00:36:13] if Danny McRae has seen Survivor Guatemala, but maybe he would he would know him from the the Dallas Cowboys, maybe the fan events that they've done or something. Maybe that could be a little pregame alliance that the two of them have. A Danny and Danny McRae, Gary Final 2.

[00:36:29] I think Gia Worley would be going crazy if that's the final, the final two of Survivor 50. But yeah, that could be fun. Jimmy Johnson would be going the craziest though, haven't been Cowboys. Yeah, the first first time the Cowboys have gotten to the finals

[00:36:43] and in a very long time. Exactly. That's the representation we need. And then you need Jervis on the jury who if it was probably to be a final three. Jervis would vote for whoever is not the Dallas Cowboys. So I think that that person could get Jervis's vote

[00:36:57] unless Jimmy Johnson was in the final three. Then I think Jervis would have to be in the line. Jervis would quit. Jervis would leave. He would leave. Jervis would quit the game. He could not vote for a cowboy. All right. I've seen his Facebook posts.

[00:37:09] Let's talk about Jamie Newton, because Jamie is someone who, again, for one reason or another, I don't think has explicitly said whether he would come back or not. He'd be a really interesting story because Jamie is so enigmatic to me, Jordan, where it really seems

[00:37:26] like there's some times where he's just this kind of like chill, bro-y type of guy. Other times he is puffing his chest and like going ape shit, going toe to toe with Bobby John quite literally. Sometimes he's this negative Nancy pouting the entire time during that boat trip.

[00:37:44] Sometimes he's talking shit during a challenge. Sometimes he is freaking out his alliance by being super paranoid that he's going to be blindsided, which then incidentally led to his own blindside. And then he's wearing like this pop-collared shirt noogieing with Bobby John on the jury.

[00:37:59] He really is one of the most interesting characters in Guatemala for me, and that's saying a lot. Yeah, it's hard to to pin him down. I feel like he was probably more of a villainous character. He definitely was. You know, you called Judd belligerent.

[00:38:13] I think at times Jamie was definitely a belligerent character, too. But then he could also chill and chill and play Guatemala and he could end up becoming friendly with the guy that he got in the biggest fight with during the season.

[00:38:26] I think that Jamie is one of these people who it's hard to really turn him into a reality TV character, because usually you're turned into a character based on whatever your I guess your most present quality is. But Jamie didn't really have one personality.

[00:38:44] He had multiple personalities out there, and I think it made him a fascinating person to watch on the show. Do I need to see Jamie Newton play survivor again? I think it would be interesting to see what he's like now as an older guy.

[00:38:56] I don't know if you have his current age, not that he's an old man, but he's definitely older than he was on season 11. He is 43. And what's interesting is if I did a little bit of peeking at Jamie's Instagram, I believe he's joined the Air Force.

[00:39:08] I think he's out of the force now, but obviously I think has become a bit more buttoned up in his time should be noted. Jamie also given a consideration for blood versus water, though what I will say about Jamie and Judd and a third contestant

[00:39:22] that we'll talk about from this merge portion is that I do wonder how much of that was like we saw with people like Otis and Vetus and even Brad and Monica Culpepper like casting for the relationship and the loved one rather than the player

[00:39:35] where Jamie has an identical twin brother named of all things Ramy. And we'll talk about maybe some other twins that could be possibly cast on blood versus water. So I don't know how much production would consider him for another season. He could be one of those types

[00:39:51] like we've spoken about with some other players of like, to your point, this guy has grown up considerably over the time since he's been in Guatemala. What could he bring to that? But it's just a real again murderous row of characters to bring back. And while Jamie, again,

[00:40:05] is certainly someone that is so fascinating, it's a tough time for me to necessarily have him make like a top three or top four. I agree with that. I do think like Judd and Rafe are sort of top, top, you know, top of the line for me.

[00:40:20] I think Gary is maybe a little bit lower because he would just be it would just be interesting to see to see Gary play again. I think Jamie, it's sort of like if Judd wasn't on this season, maybe Jamie would have been the biggest, like

[00:40:33] the biggest contentious character. But since Judd was there, I think Judd is really the one you'd rather see back. But look, Jamie, seeing Jamie Newton. Again, I think a lot of these people are aspirational. I don't know how many of these people

[00:40:45] really have a chance to get on to 50. If Jamie came back, I would like to see what he's like now. But there are so many people, not just from Guatemala, but from all the seasons that have that a long time ago that maybe I would be

[00:41:00] more excited about. But Jamie, Jamie was fun and he he was a clearly a unique character that we really haven't we haven't seen too many people like. Well, let's talk about his friend in me here in Bobby John, because full disclosure on the Palau podcast,

[00:41:18] Haley and Haley Strong and I really went back and forth as to Bobby John played two times to a certain extent. Is there this idea of like, OK, we got to see Bobby get kind of a fair shake? He wasn't on a tribe

[00:41:31] that lost every single immunity challenge. He made it to the jury. And he certainly, I would say, was a more mild mannered version of himself. But then he also does have this like wild rivalry with Jamie. On the other hand, Bobby John has gone on to say

[00:41:45] in his quarantine questionnaire that he would like to play again, that this is a guy as we were just talking about with Jamie that has grown up. He currently is a father as well, working for the State Department in Alabama. He is 47 years old.

[00:41:58] So we did kick the can and say, let's talk about it for Guatemala. So Jordan, offer me your opinion. Would you want to see Bobby John back for a third season? So I remember watching Guatemala and I remember seeing Bobby John descend from the the the Maya,

[00:42:13] the Mayan pyramid or ziggurat or whatever that's called. I'm not sure what the terminology is, but but when I saw Bobby John, I was like, this is, you know, this is exciting. He was on this horrible Ulan tribe and he and he and Stephanie,

[00:42:26] you know, were able to get to the final two and he loses the firemaking challenge. So I do think he was a good person to bring back for Guatemala. I think Stephanie was clearly the the more the more three dimensional character as opposed to Bobby John,

[00:42:41] where Bobby John's main thing in the Ulan tribe is that he would make grunty noises and he was just good at challenges and they couldn't really afford to get rid of him. But still, even with him, they couldn't win. So Bobby John comes back for Guatemala

[00:42:55] and, you know, he's on his his initial tribe like he's he is one of the people who breaks down after the hike. Oh yeah. I mean, he was, I think, before Russell Swan, like and obviously a certain man in Australia who must not be named

[00:43:09] like he is the guy who probably came to close to dying on camera, where like his eyes are rolling to the back of his head. He's clearly losing consciousness as Margaret's tending to him in that opening episode. Yeah, so we see that in the first episode,

[00:43:21] but then he recovers and, you know, pre pre merge. He is doing pretty well, but then he merges. He's in a clear minority. He he's even talked about as potentially the merge booth there when when Brett Brett Belanger goes out. But I think Stephanie

[00:43:36] sort of saves his butt because she feels bad about not putting him on the jury. It turns out that he will end up voting for Danny. But I think because I believe what Stephanie is asked, who would you not want to see on the jury?

[00:43:48] She replied, Oh, Bobby John, because he's first on the jury. Yeah, which makes no sense because she was the one they could have gone after him. But Stephanie had a lot of sway on that vote. And I think just she had that oolong partnership and wanted him to

[00:44:00] at least at least get that far. But I don't really think we saw anything from Bobby John that would warrant a third time on Survivor. I think he seems like a nice guy. He is, I think, maybe a little bit of a two dimensional character.

[00:44:14] And there are just I'll be honest, every single person who's on this screen, the jury, I would rather see on Survivor than Bobby John. Well, I think to your point, as we talked about with Danny and Stephanie, I think there is the appeal of like

[00:44:26] what would a second time look for them versus Bobby John? Granted, it was so back to back. And I think the appeal would be what does a 47 year old Bobby John look like, especially if he's hungry to do this? But I would agree. He goes by Robert John.

[00:44:38] Yeah, exactly. Robert Jonathan. I loved Bobby John. Bobby John goes apeshit. It's one of my favorite funny 115 entries. The fact that as I talked about in Palau, there is this like genteel buttoned up rather polite Southern gentleman that just transforms into Mr. Hyde in challenges and is like

[00:44:54] beating his chest, grunting, punching himself in the face with a mouthful of balloon. And even in this season, he's still bringing that. He is like giving himself a hernia in that mud tug of war. Him and Jamie obviously nearly have a fistfight.

[00:45:08] I would say if we somehow shift this narrative and it's like a rival season, I think you put Jamie and Bobby John on shore above rape and judge. But I would feel like, you know, we pass that up in Survivor 40. I don't know if they would do

[00:45:21] that in Survivor 50. Again, I adore Bobby John. I back when I did our G's, I played with a Bobby John avatar. I think the verdict is I'm OK with leaving him off the short list. Yeah, there are people who fall into the Bobby John archetype of like

[00:45:39] kind of the, you know, I guess alpha male challenge type guy. But I'd rather, even though he's played three times, I'd rather see someone like a Colby come back over over Bobby John. And I don't think they're exactly the same player,

[00:45:51] but I think they are sort of similar and fit a similar archetype. But even even for rivals, yes. But seeing Bobby John and Jamie play on the same season would be would be fun. But I almost think that that I would rather see like Judd and Margaret

[00:46:04] come back on than Jamie and Bobby John, even though I think Jamie is probably I'd rather see Jamie over Bobby John or Margaret, but I'd rather see Judd over any of them. So I think I think that's actually a rivalry that I would rather see.

[00:46:18] And you're not going to probably get if it's survivor rivals, which I don't even I'd be surprised if that's the season, even though I think it's a great idea. I don't think that I don't think we're getting two partnerships from Survivor Guatemala. All right.

[00:46:30] Well, let's clean up a bit with these other remaining jurors. We talked all about the men and now it's time for the ladies. I want to talk about Cindy, because I think on paper, when you remember Cindy, you remember her because of like her talking with the monkeys

[00:46:45] and everything that happened with the car. But especially following sort of like her narrative after the show, I heavily recommend people check out her to talking with T-Bird episodes, one she did by herself and one she did with her twin sister, Mindy,

[00:47:01] who is an a rock of love alumni and an I love money winner. Her sister has had more appearances on reality TV than Cindy herself. Cindy, I think could lowkey be a very fun returnee. We'll talk about this at the end.

[00:47:14] I don't know if I would put her above the four that I have in mind from this season, but I feel like a Cindy return could be fun. And she is the third person, as I was mentioning before, who got the availability call for Blood vs.

[00:47:27] Water to play alongside, assumingly, Mindy. Yeah, I think Blood vs. Water would be the best returning opportunity for her because of the fact that it's her twin sister. And also, I totally agree with you where they're their appearance on Talking with T-Bird was so much fun.

[00:47:42] And I forgot I kind of forgot that Cindy did the other one by herself. But yeah, having Cindy and Mindy and Jamie and Rami, all these these rhyming twit. Yeah, Judd and Tommy. Luckily, their parents have enough to give them a really different nickname for their identical twins.

[00:47:57] Yeah, Judd and Todd are going to come back now. But Cindy would be, I think, a lot of fun with Mindy. But even without Mindy, she has the second most memorable car related moment in Survivor history. Of course, they would be eclipsed a couple of seasons later

[00:48:14] in Fiji with with the Yao Men and Dreams fiasco. But yeah, I think that Cindy, even though I can't I don't really remember so much of what she did in the premerge or in the early merge. You remember the car thing and you remember the howler monkeys.

[00:48:28] I guess that's her main thing from from the premerge. But she is a pretty good confessionalist. I think she has a decent player. I mean, she voted in the majority. I don't I don't think she was the person who is necessarily driving things. But I think playing wise,

[00:48:41] she's probably an above average survivor player just based on the fact that she was she was usually in the numbers. And I think that she would be a fun person to bring back. I think as a character, she was good on the show. And I think that

[00:48:53] learning more about her on Talking with T-Bird made me think that she could be kind of like the late great Clay Jordan, a diamond in the rough. Yeah, I think there is a little bit of like candor with her that maybe didn't appear on the edit,

[00:49:05] but certainly did her talking with T-Bird where I think she's 49 right now. And I think there's sort of like, yeah, as you get older, like you just don't give a shit about stuff anymore. She was saying some very open things about her Guatemala cast on Talking with T-Bird.

[00:49:18] And so I think she'd bring that sort of frankness, not frank-gerrity-ness to the screen. Lastly, let's talk about Lydia. Sort of even though Jamie is is enigmatic, kind of an enigma in and of herself as well, because she probably has one of the most

[00:49:33] purple edits out of this entire cast besides the first four booths she has to the point that Jordan is dancing in the video version. She, of course, has the pancake and like the Nakum pump up song. But she ends up going to the end here

[00:49:47] and gets taken out in one of the more head scratching endgame moves when Rafe and Stephanie decide to keep Danny over her. There's been some stuff that's come out after the fact about how Lydia was apparently actually a big favorite among the camp

[00:50:01] that she was so well liked. She was such a workhorse, which is why she and Jamie were so together towards the beginning of the game. She has this like big story, I think, about being a single mom as well and obviously needing the money.

[00:50:12] And so they thought, OK, there's no chance we can take her towards the end of the game. Also, Danny, I think, was not doing well physically at the time. And so they thought they probably had a chance of beating Danny, which they unfortunately

[00:50:23] rue that choice at the end of the day. Lydia is just such a wild card that I think on paper she would kind of be a very fun WTF returnee to bring back. She's currently 61, which again is only a stone's throw away from someone like the 69 year olds

[00:50:38] that we're bringing back from these early seasons. Unfortunately, again, it's just a matter of we have such a wealth of characters in this season and there are only so many spots. Yeah, I would love to see Lydia back on Survivor.

[00:50:50] I was a big fan of her on the show and I think partly because of these random little moments that we did get, because she wasn't a huge character in Survivor Guatemala, but she has the pancake, as you said. She's the queen of rock and roll, apparently.

[00:51:03] And to get the queen of rock and roll back on Survivor 50, that is bringing in all of the other music stands. So I think getting Lydia, it's not it's not going to happen. It would be if you brought back Lydia. I think I will be rooting for Lydia

[00:51:18] to win Survivor season 50. And you know what? She is she came in fourth. She got she did well in the game. She got far. Like you just said, she apparently was had had winner potential. I don't think it's going to happen. I think it would be more aspirational.

[00:51:34] But I would love to see Lydia back on Survivor. And I would put her into maybe not my Rafe and Judd category, but I would put her in like the Gary Hogan, but not for Gary, a little higher than her. But I would put her in

[00:51:46] the Jamie Cindy character of people I'd like to see back. Me, I want more. No, I'd rather see Lydia than Jamie or Cindy. I'm saying. All right. I love that we're slowly getting like Jordan's power rankings which jury members he wants to see come back.

[00:51:59] I mean, I guess I think. Yeah, yeah. Cindy, I think has the best of those three, Cindy, Jamie and Lydia. I think Cindy has the best chance to win out of the three of them. I think that Jamie is the most unique character

[00:52:11] out of the three of them. But seeing Lydia, the fishmonger, Lydia, back on Survivor would tickle me the most. Yeah. Do you think that she'd be able to like catch fish in the Fijian Ocean without any fishing gear? She goes for a new era of like

[00:52:24] we don't need that. Jeff, we're trading it back. I'm going to go fishing for us. Of course. Well, I don't know if the fishmongers actually do the fishing or do they just they just sell the fish. I don't know if she's actually doing the fishing,

[00:52:33] but she has a lot of fish experience. Yeah, if I recall, I do believe she built a net for your shot to try. I don't know how successful it was, but she did do some fishmonging. OK, so she so Lydia. Yeah, I mean, her tribe would be

[00:52:46] it would be eaten good in the neighborhood. And let's let's do it. Let's bring Lydia back. All right. Well, let's move into our prejury here and we could sort of, I would say maybe yada yada a bit through a majority of these. But there are still heavy hitters

[00:53:00] to talk about towards the end. So we have Jim Lynch, who unfortunately tore his bicep in the opening challenge and asked to be voted out. Morgan, the magician's assistant. Brianna, who didn't know what a pick was. We have Brooke, who sort of gets swapped screwed when Judd flips.

[00:53:15] So I will say Brooke has popped up in some other places. I believe that she was doing some coverage on the Jack Vita show for like dealer, no deal island. Like she has some interest in reality TV. We have, of course, Jordan, your beloved,

[00:53:29] even though we might not need any fishing gear because we've got some bait here in the form of Blake, who is also someone that like is crumbling to pieces in the first episode. I believe he gets like a bunch of a bunch of needles stuck in his skin

[00:53:43] but is able to prevail from that. But of course, falls for the old trap of bragging about the size of your girlfriend's breasts and gets voted out. Sumarily, the aforementioned Margaret, who ends up on the wrong side of the votes, but still goes out swinging in that memorable

[00:53:56] double tribal council when she decides to call out Judd and Judd summarily calls her out. Apparently for on the first day you stood up and said Judd has ADD. Then we have, of course, Brian Corden, the platinum man who unfortunately was not able to shine his way

[00:54:10] through to the postmerge. Amy O'Hara, the Boston cop with a heart of gold who prevailed through a rolled ankle and a bit of a bad swap to be the boot right before the merge. And finally, Brandon Bellinger, who wound up on the wrong side of the numbers

[00:54:26] and didn't have that in with Stephanie and ends up becoming the merge boot here. So really, we've got a couple of people to talk about. I got to start with Brian, because I believe when I did the Guatemala podcast, I believe there was a category

[00:54:40] of like the Kelly Wentworth Award for free merger you would want to see back. Brian would be the one because, yeah, talk about potential. I mean, this is a guy who loves the show, who still loves the show. We know that he has been

[00:54:53] watching through the new era. I've seen him at a bunch of these watch parties. He's incredibly hungry and eager to go back, even when he was on the wrong side of the numbers, when it was him, Gary and Amy versus a bunch of Nekums.

[00:55:05] He's able to navigate this dynamic to flip Blake's former allies onto him and kind of get screwed a bit by the double tribal council twist and also the fact that like Rafe was the person who won individual immunity. And the story is that I think that

[00:55:19] Rafe kind of felt it was neither can live while the other survives thing with the SuperDuper fans. And so decided to kind of screw Brian over there. But Brian, I know, despite how stacked this Guatemala has been, has has been somebody that a lot of people have requested

[00:55:34] should get a second chance. And listen, I don't know how feasible it would be given how deep the well of super fans runs, especially nowadays. But I really want it, Jordan. I do. Brian, especially being this rare old schooler that does catch up with this modern season

[00:55:53] that is so fervently involved with the community. Yeah, I think that Brian has has paid his dues to the survivor community. Like you said before, always at the watch party. So he's been to so many events and he's someone who when you look at the game

[00:56:08] that he played, yes, he got he got swapped. Screwed. He got he got put in a tough situation, but he wasn't the first person voted out. He did come up with the bait Blake strategy, which is obviously the most famous moment. But if you look at the premerch,

[00:56:22] he was sorry, the pre swap. He wasn't in trouble on the pre swap. But there was a point where he was working with Lydia and he was able to get a vote off of Lydia. We wouldn't have had this we wouldn't have even known what the pancake was

[00:56:32] if it weren't for Brian Corden, because Lydia would have gotten voted out early and he was able to push the vote. I think it was that was the I believe that was the Brianna vote or maybe it was Morgan. I don't know. They're kind of interchangeable.

[00:56:43] But yeah, I do think that Brian is a very good survivor player based on what we saw from him. And anyone can get swapped. Screwed. You also talked about Brooke Struck being someone who got swapped screwed, where it seemed like she was

[00:56:55] she was in a pretty solid spot before the swap. But I think we saw way more from Brian than we did from Brooke. And and I think he is someone who would be so much fun to see on the show. And I think the whole super fan

[00:57:06] thing is a double edged sword because we have so many people now in the super fan archetype, especially from the new era. So it might be harder for him to get on. But if he did get on, I feel like he's on with a lot of his people.

[00:57:17] And I think that he could do well. I think that he would really bond well with some of these people who who know what a one doth is or who knows what a what an RHAP is. So I think that he would be a lot of fun playing

[00:57:30] with some of these new era players. And I hope it happens. And I think also maybe some that he would have over someone like Brooke was also the fact that he delivered in personality as well. Again, the reason why we call him platinum is because of that

[00:57:41] iconic voting confession like he gave to Blake after he was able to succeed in digging his hole even deeper. So definitely someone that I would want to see come back. And another person I would suggest as well would be Amy, who was one of the Guatemala cast members

[00:57:58] that came the closest. The myth is that Amy was cast on heroes versus villains. They were sort of waiting to see what the status of Candace's work was before they would bring her on. And was she not able to fulfill her duties as a survivor contestant?

[00:58:13] Apparently, Amy would be on as a hero. And I can absolutely see it. She was such a force. She was such a big personality. Of course, I always remember, you know, the conversation she has with Gary, where she's like, if you screw me, I'm going

[00:58:28] down to Michigan and looking up Gary Hawkins, the landscaper. And I'm going to beat you down. Or when she's talking about the howler monkeys are like freaking predator. Like you can just you could hear her accent upon looking at that picture. But then she also has this

[00:58:42] underdog storyline where again, it's her Gary and Brian versus the Nekums. And during this big ball challenge, she rolls her ankle and keeps going through the challenge and keeps going through the game at a time when it wouldn't necessarily remove her from it. But considering the previous season,

[00:58:58] when Jeff Wilson rolls his ankle and is like, nah, I'm done. The fact that Amy was able to persevere and were it not for, you know, them losing the final immunity challenge before the merge, she would have made it to the merge. And I don't think she's

[00:59:11] necessarily the first boot. And then she sits on a jury. So to me, I love Amy as a character. And I do think the fact that granted it was for season 20, but the fact that she was one of these rare Guatemala cast members

[00:59:23] kind of given another eye by producers does lend better than Brian, I would say in terms of her chances of getting cast. She is, I believe she is 58 at the moment, which is a bit on the older side. She admitted in her quarantine questionnaire that she kind of

[00:59:41] watches seasons on and off now, obviously not paying as much attention to it as someone like Brian Judd, maybe even Bobby John. But still, I think she could study up on it if she was given the chance to play again. Yeah. And if you talk about pairs

[00:59:54] that you'd love to see play together, I would love to see the payoff of her relationship with Gary Hockentogeboom, because having them on the season, like I mean, I'm sure they look they seemed like they were friends. They're probably they probably would want to work together.

[01:00:06] But imagine if like Amy gets in the voting booth, writes down, Gary, I'm beating you down. Like that would be amazing. And I don't are we going to get Amy O'Hara back on Survivor? I hope so. I think it's probably unlikely because she does fall.

[01:00:21] It may be not as many people in her archetype, but there's there's still like the Alains and like the Janet Carbons. And it's kind of like this, like this, like blue collar, like older woman. And I love that archetype. I think it's so much

[01:00:34] that they always seem to bring it when when they're on the show. I think you put like Mama C in there, who is someone who almost won the game. Yeah. A bunch of Boston people. Her Trish. Amy, I might I might hate their sports teams, but I love

[01:00:46] the old Boston women that are on Survivor. You could put I would have a whole tribe of old Boston women. And I would probably be my favorite tribe in Survivor history. So I yeah, Amy's up there with me, with Brian and more than anybody else

[01:01:00] who's on this this premerge list. I always like Brandon Bellinger. He was funny. You're also you know, you get the swifty bump because apparently he was Taylor Swift's bodyguard at one point. Oh really? I didn't know this. That's wild. Yeah, that story came out

[01:01:13] at some some point during 46, where I believe he did serve as a bodyguard at some point. I don't remember the exact details. Wow. So so you got you have that that thing. But we can't just, you know, if there's there, I think I think the number one

[01:01:26] swifty that I would want to see back on Survivor played on the most recent season. So and then Blake Towsley, you're not putting Blake back on. It would be funny if it's not. Yeah, I'm sure he has mature considerably where he would not necessarily gloat

[01:01:39] about his his sexual exploits or any like memorable days on boats. I always loved Brandon. I think Brandon is is someone who's really fun in doses, like when he randomly quips about Judd having a premature evacuation when during the big trek he jumps out of the boat early

[01:01:53] and is stuck in the mud. The the he's the only guy who didn't get sick on that trip. Yeah. And then the scene between him and Bobby John, where they're like having a debate about how close their alliances while they're just peeing next to each other

[01:02:05] and then they shake hands like Brandon was a low key, very funny character on a scene full of very funny characters. He was. But like I mean, you have to pick and choose. Guatemala is probably like it like it has in the past.

[01:02:17] It's not probably not going to get as much attention as it as it deserves. And you really have to like pick from the top. And unfortunately, I don't think Brandon is necessarily at the top. He's just a fun, a fun guy who plays survivor once.

[01:02:27] But yeah, from from this list, that the two that I would really be the most interested would be Amy and Brian. I think that would probably be the case for most of the fan base. Yeah. So let's get into it, Jordan. Now, I imagine

[01:02:39] trying to be a mentalist here and read between the lines. I think we have our four, but just lock it in for me. Who would you like to formally nominate for the shortlist from Guatemala? So the two that I think it would be irresponsible

[01:02:55] for us not to nominate Rafe, who I think was the best player on the season and Judd, who I think was the best character on the season. Then you look at the rest of the list. I think that it really, to me, comes down.

[01:03:10] And I know I was like, I know I was high on her. Like, I think that, you know, Lydia would be fun. But like the pancake isn't enough to put somebody on this list. I have to I have to bring it down to four.

[01:03:21] Jamie Newton was such a big character. Gary is such a big character. But I think that the person whose story is not complete is Brian. So I think we have to put Brian Corden on this list. I think that if he did get on,

[01:03:33] could do very well with, you know, with his people or they could maybe see him as a as like, you know, we can't have this other super fan, this old school super fan around. Who knows? But I think it would be fun. So now to me,

[01:03:46] it comes down to a few people. It comes down to Amy O'Hara. Jamie Newton and Gary Hogan. What do you think, Mike? I'm going to I'm going to throw in Amy's hat into the ring because I think she was out of those three given the most consideration

[01:04:03] for a returning season. So I think it could be the best chance, despite the fact that, again, Jamie did get looked at for blood versus water. But I still think that it was more so for you're going to be the original 20s on blood versus water

[01:04:16] before Natalie and Nadia. I think that Amy to that Brian class, I think has the most potential for a return. I think Jamie and Gary would be very fun personalities to just see, like come back and play the game again and give more survivor confessionals.

[01:04:32] Amy can do that. But also to your point with Brian kind of have this undiscovered thing of like, listen, if she had just made it one step further, who knows what could have happened? So even though, you know, I also think that if we're talking about those three,

[01:04:44] it seems like she has been the one that has like admitted. And maybe this is because she's the only one of the three that has filled out a quarantine questionnaire. But like it seems like she's relatively watched some survivors since and that's not necessarily a exclusion

[01:04:59] from this type of list. And it's odd to put two premergers on here, especially given such a stacked cast. But I don't know. The Guatemala lover in me kind of wants to put Amy on here. I think, listen, these four are all going to be wishful thinking, especially.

[01:05:15] I really do not think whether they go with the legends new era versus old era, etc., that any of these people are going to be given like a really comprehensive look at by production. This is more so to put people in the fan vote.

[01:05:29] And I want to put Amy in the fan. I agree with I agree with you. I do think like I'm higher on Gary and Amy than I am on Jamie. I think Amy is the right choice, not just because she was premerge. We didn't just we didn't get

[01:05:45] to see as much of her. But I think that she I think I liked I think I liked her confessionals more than I like Gary's, even though Gary was really funny. I think that Gary is a historic character in Survivor history because he found the first title.

[01:05:58] And I think because of that, maybe you deserve some some consideration because if he finds an idol again, that'll be a cool moment. But what if it's a fake? I don't want it to be where advantage that would be that would be great to you know,

[01:06:13] I think if Gary's on, you have to the clue has to be it's definitely not on the ground, man. And then he's like, wait a second. I've heard this before. And then he looks on the trees and finds another idol. But if we could do five,

[01:06:26] I would put Gary in. But I think since we're limiting it to four, yeah, the Amy and Brian. I mean, listen, Rob already kind of pushed it early on before, though I'm very grateful now in retrospect, considering that now I believe we brought back

[01:06:37] four people from Africa, Marquesas, Vanuatu and now Guatemala. And spoiler alert, we're not stopping there anytime soon. But yeah, five might be a bit too much. Maybe I'll be convinced the other way after the fact by by the commenters or anything. But I feel good about this

[01:06:52] quartet personally to at least enter into a fan poll again. A lot of exercises with these seasons is, well, they're probably not going to be brought back. But this is the emphasis on should rather than. Yeah. Yeah, this this isn't this isn't the actual vote.

[01:07:05] But but look, maybe maybe as Rob was saying on the on the Borneo podcast, maybe people at CBS look at this and they're like, oh, everyone wants to see Amy O'Hara. Let's bring back Amy O'Hara. Let's bring back Brian Corden. And then also, you know, just

[01:07:17] I feel like to me, how is Judd a one time survivor player? I don't I don't get it. And maybe it has to do with some stuff with, you know, behind the scenes that we didn't see. But this guy is one of the biggest characters in Survivor history.

[01:07:30] I really think he is. And I think he's a bigger character than other people who have come back two and three times that we look at as as, you know, Survivor Legends. So I think we need to see it. And then Rafe in terms of gameplay

[01:07:41] you know, you look at a lot of recent players who have come so close, like like a Charlie, like an Omer, like a Jesse. And I feel like Rafe is like the old version of that category of people who played so well

[01:07:52] and came up a little bit short. Yeah, I mean, very much in the Rob Cicerino mold, right? I like the super fan who kind of defies the odds, given their archetype, makes it to the end is the odds on favor to win and loses right before the final.

[01:08:05] Last thing I want to ask Jordan is if we could pick anyone from this cast to be in another reality show besides Survivor, what would it be? Should Cindy take a turn on Rockabye? I think, you know, should we should we take someone that we didn't?

[01:08:20] I mean, I would imagine Judd on traders. I'll say that on traders would be incredible because again, you've run so many games and mafia, Jordan, you know how angry people can get screaming at each other about lying. That is Judd's game in a nutshell.

[01:08:34] Yeah, but let's let's put Blake Towsley on on like the house hunters, because he is he is a he is a real estate agent. Now, I think that the the move. What if we had the the Cindy and Mindy twin twist on Big Brother? I don't know.

[01:08:51] That's that could be a good one. That would be very fun. They sort of gave me a bit of like Adria and Natalie vibes of like they are fiery personalities and it seemed like they're pretty indistinguishable from my perspective. So I think they could possibly switch off.

[01:09:02] No, or you put Lydia on Diners, Divers and Diners, Drivers and Dives and have her make pancakes. No, I put put her on like the greatest catch. OK, I got all that. And I've heard like a fishing boat trying to keep everyone's moods at bay.

[01:09:16] Yeah, I like it. And I love you, but yeah. All right. Well, Jordan, this was an incredible time. This is the longest, probably one of the longest podcasts we've done in this series. And I think it's doing part of the fact that this is a season

[01:09:28] you and I both love. And it's also a really surprisingly stacked cast. It is. It really is. This there's so many good players and it's kind of insane that no one's a bit. No, no. With the exception now of Danny Boatwright, who got to play winners at war.

[01:09:40] No OG player has come back yet. Stephanie is clearly the biggest name on this cast. But there are people like I would be as much as I love Stephanie Lagrosa and has as, you know, historic of a player. She is a legendary player. I think the four people

[01:09:55] that we put on this list, I think I'd rather see them back than Stephanie. And I love Stephanie Lagrosa. All right, Jordan. Lastly, anything you want to plug in terms of social media, podcasts, et cetera, for the listeners to check out? I mean, look, we had

[01:10:07] we had a lot of fun with this past season. I don't know what next season is going to look like. I mean, I love the format, but it's you know, it's not easy. We've sort of exhausted a lot of the list of the people who would play Twitch.

[01:10:20] So I don't know what that's going to look like next season. So wishlist podcast for people on the. I think we I think we need to do. I think we need that we need a Twitch list podcast. I think we need to have four four players per season

[01:10:28] that we put on that could play Twitch in the future. There's got to be some some old school, you know, super super fan trivia masters that we don't even know. Ryan Gordon, I feel like I feel like he's been on Twitch before,

[01:10:41] but I would I would have him back. But yeah, that's you know, I'm this summer. I'm going to be away for most of the summer, so I'm not going to be doing all that much podcasting, but I'll be back in some form coming up in the next season.

[01:10:53] And yeah, just keep listening to these. Keep listening to this to this specific podcast series that you're listening to. There are a lot of fun. Thank you, Jordan, for the plug of this podcast series. Don't worry, there'll be another one in your feed tomorrow as really

[01:11:04] the character hits will keep on coming as we are going to Survivor Panama Exile Island. It was the birth of a legend in Surrey, but along with a lot of colorful characters around here in the form of the Kasai tribe, I'll be getting together with Mari

[01:11:18] fourth to talk about the cast of Exile Island, who will be pushing through from there. Of course, make sure you don't miss a second of it. Rob has a website dot com slash survivor feed for the podcast version. Rob has a website YouTube for the video version.

[01:11:32] Thank you all so much for listening, especially to this extra long podcast comparatively. Sorry, Sam, but I think it was worth it. Jordan, thank you so much. We'll be back tomorrow with Panama alongside Mari fourth. Until then, everybody take care. Bye bye.