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[00:01:01] Hi everybody and welcome to a brand new Survivor Offseason podcast series here on Rob Has Podcast.
[00:01:09] Yes, the holiday season might be half a year away, but right now we are making a wish list.
[00:01:15] It's the Survivor 50 wish list to be specific.
[00:01:19] An offseason series where we are determining who could and should be on the upcoming anniversary season of Survivor 50.
[00:01:27] My name is Mike Bloom, the conductor of this absolute manic train of an idea that will be barreling through your podcast feeds nearly every weekday for the next nine weeks, taking us through the beginning of August.
[00:01:42] I'm so excited.
[00:01:43] We're going to talk a bit more about what this idea entails and what it's all going to lead to in a little bit.
[00:01:49] But of course, I need to welcome my guest in here because today we are talking about the first season of Survivor, Survivor Borneo.
[00:01:57] And I could think of no better person to start this entire process with than arguably the Survivor Borneo of Survivor podcasters out there.
[00:02:06] The great Rob Cisternino.
[00:02:08] Mike, how exciting is this to be talking about Survivor Borneo on today, the 24th anniversary of the premiere of Survivor Borneo?
[00:02:22] Yes, this podcast is being released on May 31st, 2024, a mere 24 years after we were introduced to this rowdy, in particular, rowdy,
[00:02:34] group of 16 strangers stranded on an island in Pulau Tiga and their lives were changed forever.
[00:02:39] Do you remember, Rob, when Survivor Borneo went by Survivor Pulau Tiga?
[00:02:43] I remember it's I don't think I ever knew how to spell Pulau Tiga, but yeah, I remember they used to throw that phrase around when I was reading like the Survivor book following the season.
[00:02:54] Yeah, exactly. People are complaining about like there are no themes anymore, no subtitles.
[00:02:58] Back in our day, Survivor went by three names in its first season.
[00:03:02] First it was just Survivor, then Pulau Tiga and now Borneo as we know it.
[00:03:06] Yeah, I think that they were trying to make Pulau Tiga a thing because there's going to be more.
[00:03:10] There's going to be more Survivors. This is just the first one.
[00:03:12] It's just right here. But I'm so excited to talk about these 16 people and their prospects for potentially having any of them return for Survivor 50.
[00:03:23] It's such an exciting, historic season of television to talk about.
[00:03:27] If you're listening to the podcast version of this to commemorate it, Mike Bloom is fully new to doing this podcast.
[00:03:33] It's my birthday somewhere, as I like to say.
[00:03:37] I just ate a can of dog food.
[00:03:40] Had a monitor lizard, literally kill a couple chickens down the street to get in the Borneo spirit.
[00:03:45] We're eating some rat tonight.
[00:03:48] Yeah, it's on like the break of dawn.
[00:03:51] At least this podcast series is. So yeah, let's describe what exactly this experiment is going to be.
[00:03:57] Because look, when Jeff Probst officially announced that Survivor 50 will be all returnees,
[00:04:03] the Internet broke wide open and Survivor fans do what they do best.
[00:04:09] They were a titter and an ex, if you will, with cast lists, with speculation as to,
[00:04:15] OK, will it be old school versus new school?
[00:04:18] Will it be second chances? Will it be all new era?
[00:04:21] And so we want to strike while the iron is.
[00:04:24] Rudy once said, I don't know exactly.
[00:04:26] So season 50 is filming, of course, next year.
[00:04:30] So we want to use this offseason to kind of prep for what a Survivor 50 might look like.
[00:04:35] And of course, we knew what was going to be on the menu would be some sort of fan vote.
[00:04:39] We wanted much like Cambodia back in the day.
[00:04:42] It's unlikely I would imagine that we'll get a similar case for Survivor 50.
[00:04:46] We want to simulate our own version of if the R.J.P.
[00:04:49] listeners had a say as to who would get cast on Survivor 50.
[00:04:52] We want them to exercise that. But the question is, how do we do it in our own unique way?
[00:04:57] And how do we winnow down from a number of hundreds of contestants down to probably still more than a hundred,
[00:05:06] but a significantly shorter hundred. And so we came up with this pretty wackadoo idea where every weekday,
[00:05:15] this Survivor 50 wishlist series will be myself and one other person, a member of the R.J.P.
[00:05:20] community, perhaps a past player.
[00:05:22] We are going to be talking about a specific season of Survivor on that day through the lens of breaking down the cast by who could
[00:05:31] and should be on the list to come back for Survivor 50.
[00:05:36] This could run the gamut of legends that have been on multiple times, near several,
[00:05:41] in fact, to people who were on one time that we want to see again, pre-emerge, Rob Boots, Fallen Angels, etc.
[00:05:48] It is all a big bucket. At the end of each podcast,
[00:05:52] we are going to come up with a list of one to three candidates that will then be submitted into this big fan vote at the end.
[00:05:59] So after we go through all 46 seasons, we'll have a big fan vote with everyone that was chosen throughout all of these podcasts.
[00:06:05] And then from there, we should determine this fan voted group of probably 20 people that would be on this fictional Survivor 50.
[00:06:12] And while we know Survivor 50 is probably not a fan vote,
[00:06:19] we think that there's enough excitement out there that there's going to be a lot of votes.
[00:06:25] They'll probably look at this, right?
[00:06:26] Well, Jeff explicitly said that night when he revealed the news about 50 that he's like, yeah, I'm looking at fan lists.
[00:06:33] I'm not sure that's a very generic term.
[00:06:35] I'm not sure who he's following, what boards he's peeping at.
[00:06:38] So let's try to get some eyes on this, you know, let's try to make the best list to look at it, right?
[00:06:44] I think so. And so that's our job.
[00:06:47] I say collectively because again, we're going to be bringing on,
[00:06:49] I think at this point, a different guest to talk about every single season.
[00:06:54] And so we are starting today with Survivor Borneo.
[00:06:57] And this is going to be a very interesting exercise, Rob, for a number of reasons with this cast.
[00:07:03] And let me just add to a different person every new player cast.
[00:07:09] I'm going to pop back in with Mike for all of the all returning seasons where everybody has already been discussed.
[00:07:17] Just to check in on where we're at, talk a little bit about like what the makeup of those casts look like.
[00:07:23] And potentially any other like if late cases for people that are in the returning cast that did not make the list so far.
[00:07:32] So Mike and I will check back in every so often where they did an all returning season.
[00:07:39] Right. So that's going to be obviously all stars, heroes versus villains, Cambodia game changers, winners at war.
[00:07:46] We will all be doing podcasts on those heroes versus villains.
[00:07:50] Heroes versus villains. Yeah. Right. After all stars.
[00:07:52] Because I think Rob and I are also going to try to do the impossible and like decrypt.
[00:07:56] Is there a way that Survivor casts its returning seasons in terms of the number of seasons it pulls between certain archetypes that get brought on?
[00:08:05] And maybe we can try to figure out a bit of the mystery behind that.
[00:08:07] But yeah, otherwise we'll be talking about every season that involves a new player.
[00:08:12] So even seasons like Micronesia, Caramoan, Blood versus Water that are half and half.
[00:08:16] Not only will we be talking about those seasons and pulling people from it, but everyone is eligible from that season.
[00:08:23] So, hey, if you are a multi-time player and you don't get it on your first season, depending on what seasons you played on subsequently, there's a chance you could get on again.
[00:08:32] OK, so we're going to be presenting these every weekday.
[00:08:36] Now, of course, we are a bank of podcasts here on RHAP.
[00:08:40] So much like a bank, we will be taking off weekends and holidays.
[00:08:43] But usually we run with that slogan, the bank of podcasts.
[00:08:46] Is it too late to do a rebrand again?
[00:08:48] Rob? Sure.
[00:08:51] So, of course, you could check this out and your podcast feed will be dropping every weekday again.
[00:08:56] We'll deposit a podcast in your feed.
[00:09:00] Yes. Every weekday at 6 a.m.
[00:09:03] Eastern. And then, of course, here on YouTube, you can check out the video versions of these podcasts dropping at 10 a.m.
[00:09:09] Eastern. Do not miss a second of what we have going on.
[00:09:12] You go to RAP has a website dot com slash survivor feed.
[00:09:15] That's where all these podcasts are going to appear in.
[00:09:18] And also Rob has a website dot com slash YouTube to subscribe to this and check out also all the other great survivor coverage that we'll get into and just don't have time to talk about today.
[00:09:26] Because the other thing, Rob, is that listen, it's Survivor 50.
[00:09:30] We have a lot of these to do.
[00:09:32] I am going to try to do the impossible for a Mike Bloom podcast and give this a time crunch.
[00:09:38] We are capping this podcast at 50 minutes a piece.
[00:09:41] Each one. Okay.
[00:09:42] Yeah, I think we can do it.
[00:09:44] Let's let's not worry too much about it.
[00:09:47] Yeah, let's not tarry any further than enough set up here.
[00:09:51] Let's get into the meat, the rat meat, if you will.
[00:09:54] Let's talk about Survivor Borneo.
[00:09:57] I mean, one of obviously the most unique seasons out there in the way it was produced and also in its cast, given the fact that they became genuine A-listers.
[00:10:06] Yeah, it's they were.
[00:10:09] I've talked about this for so long.
[00:10:11] They were like the Beatles of reality TV.
[00:10:14] If people don't know who the Beatles are.
[00:10:17] Oh yeah, I believe he was a user that talked on Survivor Sucks to Jeff Probst.
[00:10:20] Is that right? Yeah, they were the Taylor Swift of reality TV.
[00:10:26] OK, so we should have had were you like Charlie where you came in and you're like, God, I can quote, I can go up against you with Rudy Bosch quotes.
[00:10:34] Right. I stand all of these people that they were all heroes.
[00:10:40] Everyone was just in my eyes, just oh my God, these these are figures I never in my life imagine that I would meet many of them.
[00:10:50] I would play Survivor one day with some of them.
[00:10:53] And so it's just, you know, incredible that this is not just reality TV history.
[00:10:59] This is TV history we're talking about.
[00:11:01] Unfortunately, the if there was one if I may say one negative thing about the pandemic, please.
[00:11:10] It threw the Survivor schedule off for a year where that we could have potentially been in this,
[00:11:17] you know, having this anniversary season where we were celebrating 25 years of Survivor along with the 50th season of the show.
[00:11:28] Oddly, we will celebrate the 25th anniversary of Survivor one year from today when I don't think that Survivor 50 will have begun filming yet.
[00:11:39] And so we will really be like in the trenches of like, did you hear this person's going?
[00:11:44] Did you hear this person's going? And then they will go out and film it during the 25th anniversary.
[00:11:51] But it will be pretty darn close to the 26th anniversary of Survivor when Survivor 50 is airing.
[00:11:58] I mean, it's a little it's a little adjacent to what happened in Cambodia, right?
[00:12:01] Where I do believe they started filming on the day the 15th anniversary of the Borneo premiere and obviously didn't air to that fall.
[00:12:09] So it'll be a little pushback as well.
[00:12:11] But listen, if Jeff is indeed listening, if you can make it work to start season 50 on May 31st, 2025,
[00:12:20] those of us in 2026 won't understand it, but those that are on the beach certainly will.
[00:12:25] Yeah, be pretty incredible.
[00:12:27] OK. All right. So let's get into this.
[00:12:29] I will also bring up up front because this will become very pertinent when it comes to Survivor Borneo in particular.
[00:12:34] Look, this is a wish list, but we are following some genie logic in that we will not be bringing back contestants from the dead.
[00:12:44] Those that unfortunately have left us in the Survivor community since their season has filmed will not be up for the vote.
[00:12:51] Everyone else will. But in true fallen comrade style rites of passage,
[00:12:56] we're going to go through every cast member of every season and, you know, where where appropriate,
[00:13:02] you know, give our thoughts just on their legacy with Survivor.
[00:13:09] All right. Well, let us start right now.
[00:13:12] We're going to work our way through these podcasts in groups.
[00:13:16] And the first group we'll speak about is from the top down.
[00:13:19] We're going to start with talking about the returning prospects of the top two finishers of Survivor Borneo, the Snake and the Rat.
[00:13:27] It is Richard Hatch and Kelly Wigglesworth.
[00:13:30] Both have come back for a second season.
[00:13:32] One was bamboozled. One bamboozled us by doing that weird mana show with Joe Angle.
[00:13:39] Here they are. And so again, those that have followed the history of Survivor behind the scenes,
[00:13:46] Rob may know that we'll talk about the returning prospects of Richard Hatch.
[00:13:51] Certainly not the first time we have over the past 20 plus years.
[00:13:55] Sure. The prospect of Richard Hatch returning to Survivor,
[00:13:59] I think has really captured people's imagination over the years.
[00:14:04] Of course, he was back with us in Survivor All-Stars.
[00:14:08] But then after Survivor All-Stars, you know, there was certainly the incident with Suhawk,
[00:14:16] which I think only aged more poorly over time.
[00:14:19] I think that at the like at the time that it happened,
[00:14:23] I don't believe that it was a deal breaker in terms of Richard Hatch returning back to Survivor.
[00:14:29] But shortly thereafter that Richard Hatch faced trial for income tax evasion.
[00:14:36] I think that that was around 2006. Richard Hatch went to jail.
[00:14:41] He got out of jail. And then Richard Hatch kind of was back in the Survivor fold a little bit in 2010,
[00:14:49] around the time of Survivor Heroes vs. Villains.
[00:14:52] And I do think that there was some consideration for Richard to return to Survivor in 2009
[00:14:59] when they filmed Survivor Heroes vs. Villains.
[00:15:01] Yeah, not only that, I believe there's pretty explicit confirmation that casting had obviously with the Heroes
[00:15:08] vs. Villains theme wanted to bring back not only the original winner,
[00:15:11] but one of the biggest villains, maybe in retrospect, not so much, but certainly of the show.
[00:15:17] But I believe that a judge denied the request from production because he was still under indictment.
[00:15:23] And I believe actually the same thing happened.
[00:15:25] But two seasons later, where I believe Redemption Island was originally intended to be a Richard vs.
[00:15:31] Russell season, that the two of them had certainly riled each other up on social media.
[00:15:35] Russell declaring himself not only the best to do it since Richard Hatch,
[00:15:38] but even better than Richard Hatch. Richard did not respond in kind.
[00:15:42] Once again, the judge denied that request as well.
[00:15:45] To your point, Richard apparently was very heavily in the discussion for Survivor winners at war.
[00:15:52] But according to Jeff Probst himself,
[00:15:53] I believe told an outlet out there on set that due to the nature of the Suhawk incident
[00:15:58] and especially in the wake of what had just happened on Island of the Idols,
[00:16:02] they had decided that the climate was not right.
[00:16:04] And suffice it to say, Richard was not particularly happy with the suddenness of that.
[00:16:09] Not we were not necessarily, I would say, like casting with OK, how do they feel about the show now?
[00:16:15] But it is important to note that he has kind of like sworn off being on Survivor.
[00:16:19] And then Richard Hatch has made a lot of negative comments about Jeff,
[00:16:26] about the production and has spoken ill about every aspect of Survivor to the point where I kind of think that
[00:16:37] Richard would not get cast for US Survivor while it would be,
[00:16:41] you know, in a perfect world where we did not have, you know, any other baggage associated with this.
[00:16:49] How cool would it be for the winner of the very first season to participate in Survivor 50?
[00:16:54] But I don't think that that is the multiverse that we live in, that would that that could possibly happen.
[00:17:00] And I think Richard Hatch may well play Survivor in the next year,
[00:17:04] but I think that he will be doing it against a team of Australian Survivor opponents.
[00:17:10] Yes, completely agree.
[00:17:11] Of course, Rob, you and I spoke with Shannon Guss about this on a patron pod a couple weeks ago
[00:17:15] with the news of a possible rumored season of Australian Survivor, it being AU versus US.
[00:17:22] We'll talk about this and maybe some other players that are not necessarily on the best side of Survivor production.
[00:17:26] That might be a great way to get someone in to play Survivor again,
[00:17:29] but also something to know Richard has been making himself quite busy with reality television,
[00:17:34] if not Survivor, considering the fact that he will be on the upcoming season of House of Villains that I believe is going to air this fall on E!
[00:17:41] Yes, so Richard Hatch will be back playing reality TV.
[00:17:45] Richard Hatch, just to do some quick math, was 38 years old at the time of the original Survivor season.
[00:17:54] So 24 years later, that makes him 62.
[00:17:57] So he definitely could still do it.
[00:18:00] And so like the age of Sonya when she played the first time.
[00:18:03] Sonya is 63.
[00:18:04] So, you know, there's that, you know, those two are always bookends.
[00:18:08] And so that would be interesting, you know, if he does play Survivor again at this age.
[00:18:14] But I don't think that we could have him on the list.
[00:18:18] Yeah, I agree.
[00:18:20] I think it would be so nice.
[00:18:21] And look again, I am trying to remove any sort of like reality from this.
[00:18:26] I certainly want to incorporate some realistic stuff in there.
[00:18:28] I don't know if necessarily age would be a factor because spoiler alert for a lot of these old school seasons.
[00:18:33] We're going to have some some old things on our fan vote here.
[00:18:37] But I feel like given everything that happened outside of the show,
[00:18:40] there's too much working against Richard here.
[00:18:42] And I think he has also kind of presented ourselves himself, at least in my head is like he can do other shows now.
[00:18:47] It'd be nice to see him play Survivor.
[00:18:49] But at this point, I think we have kind of unfortunately passed him by that.
[00:18:54] I wouldn't necessarily need to see him in the running for 50.
[00:18:57] Yeah. And I know, Mike, we're going to get a lot of feedback all the way through on this from people who say that we got it wrong.
[00:19:03] But I think that we're trying to earnestly do our best to sort of this tooth the keys that need to turn
[00:19:10] that the player has to want to come back and production has to want them.
[00:19:15] And I think in the case of Richard, I think he would definitely want to come back.
[00:19:19] And I think that in the case of production, I don't think that they want and maybe there's like CBS, Mark Burnett.
[00:19:26] Maybe there could be other stakeholders that say, no, you have to have this person.
[00:19:32] And that if Richard Hatch gets there, I do believe that that is what happened,
[00:19:36] where that there is some executive or other stakeholder who said, no, we need Richard Hatch.
[00:19:43] But I don't believe that they're going to put that kind of pressure on the show to have him come back at this particular point in time.
[00:19:52] So I think that Richard is not going to be considered very seriously for this.
[00:19:58] And look, maybe there's another category might attribute to him more about that later.
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[00:20:07] We brought them to our land, endless night, amber, hot and icy cold, the rage of the earth.
[00:20:17] We made this curse, carved it in the blood on our backs.
[00:20:23] We did not see. We could not, but she did.
[00:20:27] And in the end, what will I become?
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[00:21:03] Anything about Kelly?
[00:21:06] Kelly Wigglesworth.
[00:21:07] Super excited to see her come back for second chances.
[00:21:10] Of course, nearly the first winner of Survivor came back and certainly was on Survivor Cambodia.
[00:21:17] I personally don't think there's anything else we need to see for, especially again,
[00:21:20] after that aforementioned mana footage came out.
[00:21:23] Yeah, the Kelly Wigglesworth return was a disappointment.
[00:21:28] And, you know, from everything I understand for the people that were out there with her,
[00:21:31] she seems like a really nice person.
[00:21:35] She neat lady.
[00:21:36] She didn't come here to make friends.
[00:21:38] She was ill-suited to potentially be the avatar for the first winner of Survivor.
[00:21:46] I think that the reality TV genre has gotten even further away from the type of person that Kelly Wigglesworth is.
[00:21:55] She is a reality TV pioneer.
[00:21:59] But we got her to come back.
[00:22:02] How many years ago is second chances now?
[00:22:04] Almost 10 years ago.
[00:22:05] It was 2015.
[00:22:06] 10 years ago.
[00:22:07] And, you know, it didn't thrill us.
[00:22:11] And so I think that we should leave her as we would the vultures and let nature take its course.
[00:22:21] I will also say, by the way, I would give her as much water as she wanted to drink or raft on.
[00:22:26] Oh, thank you, Mad Dog.
[00:22:27] Yeah, I will also say something that also kind of gets screwed up with the pandemic is that my trick for remembering what Survivor seasons aired in what year was very simple for the first 40 seasons.
[00:22:37] You just take the number, divide by two and round out if it's an odd number and that's the year it aired in.
[00:22:43] And that will not be the case moving forward with the new era.
[00:22:46] But yes, let us raft away from Kelly in this moment.
[00:22:50] Let's talk about the seven people that made up the very first jury in Survivor.
[00:22:53] And I think this is where Rob, our conversation is going to get really interesting because we have, of course, in order of, I guess, reverse order of elimination.
[00:23:01] We have the late great Rudy Bosch, Sue Hawk, Sean Kniff, Colleen Haskell, the survivor of the Pagonging first ever, Jervis Never Nervous, Jenna Lewis and Greg Buiss.
[00:23:15] And look, Rob, I try not to come to these podcasts with like, this is my opinion and nobody will change it.
[00:23:21] But one reason why I was really excited about a concept like this and what the season like this is that could this be a way we get Sue Hawking on a fan vote?
[00:23:32] I don't believe Sue Hawk has any interest in ever returning to Survivor.
[00:23:40] I love Sue Hawk.
[00:23:42] I want to get the time that I got to spend with her in Survivor, Survivor All-Stars.
[00:23:49] I really do.
[00:23:50] I just I was tickled just being around Sue Hawk for 12 days.
[00:23:56] That's one of the things I really love about that whole experience.
[00:24:01] And so I loved getting to spend that time with Sue.
[00:24:03] I just found her to be just an incredible person.
[00:24:07] I loved watching her on TV.
[00:24:09] I don't think she wants anything to do with Survivor.
[00:24:13] I really I think that even in and without, you know, getting too into things that I know that T-Bird has been trying to get a hold of Sue Hawk for some time.
[00:24:27] T-Bird had made contact with Sue who asked to respectfully like I am not interested in anything Survivor at this time.
[00:24:37] I don't know if there is an amount of money that they could throw at Sue Hawk potentially, but I just don't see this as a viable possibility that Sue Hawk is going to be back for Survivor 50.
[00:24:48] Yeah, I mean, this would be the the wish to end all wishes in my opinion.
[00:24:52] I mean, look, it got my ears percolating again when we saw her in the Survivor 46 after show when she made an appearance.
[00:24:58] It would be absolutely incredible to have someone who deliver maybe the most iconic moment in the show's history to 50 plus million people.
[00:25:07] And that's the other thing as well.
[00:25:08] We were talking about this on the B&B recently, like people nowadays are complaining about bitter jurors and the way that jurors hijack final tribal council.
[00:25:16] Like just look back to what Sue Hawk did in August of 2000 as a reminder that this has kind of been always part of Survivor's lifeblood.
[00:25:25] I mean, I think part of it as well is the fact that to your point, I think Sue went out and just a really bad way.
[00:25:32] Obviously, kids wouldn't last an hour in the asylum where they raised me.
[00:25:36] I mean, honestly, it felt like an asylum at certain points.
[00:25:38] But Sue was such an integral part of this first season.
[00:25:42] People might not remember, but she actually was.
[00:25:45] Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[00:25:46] The very first alliance in Survivor history where it was short lived.
[00:25:49] But the Toggy women were working together for a hot second.
[00:25:52] Then Sue kind of ditched that when she voted Sona at the first tribal council.
[00:25:56] But Sue is, I think, a bit of an underrated player as well.
[00:26:00] She was certainly someone that was maybe wheeling and dealing more truck wheeling and dealing, if you will, than people may have realized and obviously contributed to one of the biggest betrayals in the first few seasons when Kelly does turn on her at the final four after they have this big fallout at the final five, final six.
[00:26:17] And so it was a no brainer to bring her back for all stars.
[00:26:20] I would love to consider her for this list.
[00:26:23] But to your point, if we're going off of from a reasonable perspective, who would want to actually come back?
[00:26:30] I wish in my heart of hearts it would be the case, but I could see why this wouldn't be a possibility.
[00:26:35] Yeah, just one of my favorite Suhawk moments.
[00:26:38] And this wasn't even one that happened.
[00:26:40] This was me as a viewer that there was a week of that.
[00:26:44] The this is how big the survivor contestants were.
[00:26:47] They were hosting with Regis that Kathy Lee had left and Regis was testing out new co-hosts before he landed on Kelly Ripa and that there was a day I vividly remember this.
[00:27:01] Suhawk was hosting live with Regis along with Regis, and then the Republican candidate for president, George W.
[00:27:11] Bush, was on the show and Suhawk was interviewing George W.
[00:27:17] Bush. Doesn't that feel like a fever dream?
[00:27:20] Like, yes, our political system now kind of feels like fan fiction.
[00:27:23] But like we had the fourth place contestant from Survivor interviewing the soon to be president of the United States.
[00:27:29] Oh, yeah. But what are you going to do about all the beaver poop?
[00:27:32] Well, Sue, I'll tell you what I'll do.
[00:27:34] I got a strategery of how to get rid of all tapioca.
[00:27:37] It's Suhawk. Can you believe it?
[00:27:40] There we go.
[00:27:41] Impression roundup.
[00:27:43] I don't know if we'll get this on any other podcast, Rob.
[00:27:44] This is the je ne sais quoi that you bring.
[00:27:47] I don't know.
[00:27:48] I do want to touch upon a couple of other highlights here and then maybe we could sort of like blanket discuss some of the other people because let's talk about someone else that has kind of skirted the spotlight of Survivor in a very different way.
[00:27:59] Let's talk about the white whale that is Colleen Haskell.
[00:28:02] Shall we ask?
[00:28:03] Yeah, I mean, let's not call her a whale.
[00:28:07] OK, we have no idea.
[00:28:08] She wasn't the animal, which is a whale.
[00:28:10] That's true.
[00:28:11] Yeah.
[00:28:12] Colleen, Coolene, as I like to call her.
[00:28:17] Wow.
[00:28:18] What a return this would be.
[00:28:20] It would be they should make like a true crime podcast about like what happened to Colleen or leave her alone also and get a job.
[00:28:29] So, yeah, for those that don't know.
[00:28:30] So Colleen was the sweetheart of Survivor Borneo, you know, young, a little bit snarky, you know, complain about how this is basically a game show to the people in the camera as they were filming this entire thing.
[00:28:46] Got like catapulted into mega stardom.
[00:28:48] I know that starring in a Rob Schneider movie in twenty twenty four has a lot less weight than it did in two thousand one.
[00:28:54] But that's what Colleen did.
[00:28:56] She appeared on a couple of other things as well, kind of tried to break into Hollywood.
[00:28:59] But for the most part, especially around the time, Rob, that you went out for all stars, she slipped under the radar.
[00:29:05] Danny Boatwright thought she beat the radar.
[00:29:07] But I think the winner is Colleen from a pure, you know, visual perspective.
[00:29:11] And she just has kind of gone off to live her life for the time being.
[00:29:15] Yeah, she and Greg, you know, I'm sure we'll get to him in a minute.
[00:29:20] They were part of this experience.
[00:29:22] I don't think they liked it.
[00:29:24] We'll get to that in a second.
[00:29:26] I think Colleen certainly expressed in the moment that she was maybe having some misgivings as to this particular part of things.
[00:29:35] To this, I say to you, Colleen, if you didn't like it, then you're really going to hate it now.
[00:29:40] Yeah, I was going to say, I think if you thought it was annoying in 2000, imagine that she gets a boat shows up at her camp and she's like, yeah, I'll go on a journey.
[00:29:50] Please. Is this like when me and Sean went to go decide the Rotana tribe?
[00:29:53] Great. Yeah.
[00:29:55] And she became this superstar.
[00:29:57] And yeah, I don't know exactly what was the part of it that she really found distasteful or just did not get along with her.
[00:30:06] I remember she wanted to work more.
[00:30:08] I think more behind the scenes was really what it was.
[00:30:10] And so she she has, you know, I believe anecdotally, I know she was working on a like behind the scenes on a talk show at one point.
[00:30:20] And I think that she has continued to work in media a little bit, but it has had a really low profile.
[00:30:27] I get it would be a coup and a good one.
[00:30:30] Cool. If a cooling, if they could get her back for Survivor 50.
[00:30:36] But I just cannot see where I'm sure Colleen has had, you know, if anybody has her contact information, I'm sure they've contacted her for every returning season.
[00:30:48] And she has not expressed the interest or desire to return.
[00:30:53] I cannot imagine why, unless she has like a child who is like the world's biggest Survivor fan and says, Mom, my dream is to see you play one day.
[00:31:03] Like, I can't imagine why she would have this about face and want to come back.
[00:31:07] Or could it be a Liz Wilcox situation where her daughter says, I dare you to go on the show?
[00:31:11] I dare you. Yeah, because Colleen does have two children.
[00:31:15] She, I don't think, has any social media.
[00:31:16] So it's been a lot of anecdotal evidence.
[00:31:18] But listen, I will maybe talk about that in line.
[00:31:21] Maybe we could throw some pipe dreams in here.
[00:31:23] Let's talk about you.
[00:31:24] I've never met Colleen.
[00:31:25] One of the few people that I could say go to the 10th anniversary party.
[00:31:28] Nope. I've never met her.
[00:31:31] Like there's probably like it's a small list at this point that I've never had any engagement interaction with.
[00:31:38] But Colleen is top of the list.
[00:31:40] Well, let's talk about her speculated Island Cuddle Buddy in the form of Mr.
[00:31:46] Greg Buiss.
[00:31:47] Greg, one of the most enigmatic Survivor characters in history, in my opinion.
[00:31:52] This is a guy who was incredibly brainy Ivy League educated.
[00:31:56] But honestly, Rob, like stop me if you feel like I am.
[00:31:59] I'm minimizing this was basically a giant troll in Survivor Borneo.
[00:32:03] He played up a lot of stuff like he didn't care.
[00:32:06] It was a lot of jokes.
[00:32:08] He was the one that apparently allegedly led this Cooley against Jeff
[00:32:11] Phropes in the first Pagong vote where they all tried to vote him out.
[00:32:14] Like he was this interesting balance of someone that was clearly trying to play up like,
[00:32:20] no, I don't really care, but he did actually care at the same time.
[00:32:24] Yeah, the mythology around Greg is so interesting that he's always painted like anecdotally
[00:32:31] as oh, he was a genius.
[00:32:33] He was the smartest one.
[00:32:35] He was he was the best outdoorsman, but he didn't take this seriously.
[00:32:40] He didn't really buy in to the likes the the mythology of Survivor.
[00:32:48] He was goofing off.
[00:32:50] He didn't apply himself.
[00:32:52] He could have won if he wanted to and Greg.
[00:32:57] I think that part of this mystery is just we just don't know that much about him.
[00:33:01] Yes.
[00:33:02] Now, what is interesting is you asked before, did they like their experience
[00:33:09] for what it's worth during Survivor Second Chance, which have probes was asked,
[00:33:14] who are some people that you wished were in the running that you couldn't get?
[00:33:18] And Jeff Probst named Greg.
[00:33:21] Greg was in the running for second chances.
[00:33:23] He had to bow out due to work commitments.
[00:33:25] I think he had just been made like CEO or CFO of a nonprofit.
[00:33:29] So this might be the drum that I personally beat because I do think that Greg
[00:33:35] is somebody that would be interested in coming back and look, maybe it would
[00:33:39] be even more of a shit show, especially now that the game has become so
[00:33:43] incredibly meta and full of advantages.
[00:33:44] Greg might just say F it and like again pull an aforementioned Liz and not
[00:33:49] look for idols and everything.
[00:33:51] But if we get a chance to crack the mystery of Greg in a new era season,
[00:33:56] I can't help but grab at that brass ring.
[00:33:59] It would be so wild to have Greg appear in Survivor 50.
[00:34:06] I mean, what would the coconut phone even look like?
[00:34:10] Can he find like a flat coconut?
[00:34:12] Yeah, coconut iPhone.
[00:34:13] Well, Shane got the Blackberry, right?
[00:34:15] You have to find like the Pokemon evolution of it.
[00:34:18] Would it be like a coconut smartwatch, maybe coconut, a coconut VR headset?
[00:34:23] Yeah, maybe some sort of vision headset that he could put on to connect with
[00:34:27] the world.
[00:34:28] I mean, I would love to see it.
[00:34:31] I really would.
[00:34:33] I'm not opposed to putting him on the list, but I do think it's probably
[00:34:37] rather unlikely that he would want to come back for an anniversary such
[00:34:42] as this.
[00:34:44] Well, let me add another name here.
[00:34:46] How about the woman sitting right next to him?
[00:34:48] Yeah in Jenna Lewis.
[00:34:49] Of course, Jenna did return for a second time in a Survivor All-Stars
[00:34:54] where she made a very good cut, was the final person voted out.
[00:34:59] She has expressed, I think it was in her quarantine questionnaire with
[00:35:02] Dalton Ross, that she has been contacted multiple times to return, has
[00:35:07] made the final round.
[00:35:07] I would imagine Blood vs.
[00:35:09] Water would have been a perfect time to bring on Jenna Lewis and for
[00:35:12] whatever reason, she has been cut at the last second.
[00:35:15] So this is certainly a category, Rob, one of the rarefied air of these
[00:35:18] Borneo cast members that is eager to come back.
[00:35:22] I believe Jenna Lewis even was, I think that there was a tweet that
[00:35:27] I was on.
[00:35:27] I don't remember what the tweet was and she responded that she definitely
[00:35:30] would play for Survivor 50.
[00:35:33] And I think that Jenna Lewis, you know, she's always like a lot of
[00:35:37] energy as anybody from Survivor Borneo could tell you.
[00:35:40] I mean, I think that she seems like that she is still in fighting
[00:35:45] shape to be able to go back and play.
[00:35:48] From a story perspective, I don't know necessarily if like following
[00:35:54] Survivor All-Stars that it's like, okay, does Jenna Lewis have unfinished
[00:35:58] business with Survivor?
[00:36:00] But I just think that any of these people, even if there's like it seems
[00:36:05] unlikely, just to have the story of that somebody from the very first
[00:36:12] season comes back to play.
[00:36:14] I really think that they will try very hard to get it.
[00:36:18] If not, somebody from Borneo, somebody from Australia.
[00:36:21] I think they really want to have at least a face from this.
[00:36:25] And so Jenna Lewis was a very young person when she played on Survivor
[00:36:31] Borneo.
[00:36:32] So Jenna Lewis at that time was but 22 years old.
[00:36:37] So she'd only be 46 now.
[00:36:41] So I mean, I think that she would be a good candidate to potentially
[00:36:47] come back and return.
[00:36:49] Yeah, and I mean, she has kind of experienced both sides of the edit.
[00:36:53] She was, of course, part of this underdog tribe in Survivor Borneo.
[00:36:57] I would say perceived a bit as a villain in Survivor All-Stars
[00:37:00] considering that she was the one that was added to be more vocal about
[00:37:03] basically, let's get rid of all the winners and all the big faces so
[00:37:06] that we could get to the end.
[00:37:08] So I agree.
[00:37:09] I'm not sure what a Jenna 3.0 would look like, but I do love the appeal
[00:37:14] of bringing her back because I do think as All-Stars baby show, she is
[00:37:17] someone that would be willing to get her hands dirty in a more modern
[00:37:21] Survivor environment.
[00:37:22] She dug the latrine, Mike.
[00:37:23] Yeah, exactly.
[00:37:24] And the log cabin as well.
[00:37:26] Anything about so Jervis we've seen for a second time made to the final
[00:37:31] three.
[00:37:31] Yeah, I think I think we're good.
[00:37:33] I'm going to let Sleeping Coconuts lie on Jervis.
[00:37:35] Oh, interesting because I feel like that coming into this, I feel like
[00:37:37] that Jervis is one of the people that I think could be most likely to
[00:37:40] return from Survivor Borneo because that Jervis he was 30 at the time
[00:37:45] of the original Survivor.
[00:37:47] So he's 54 now, but if you run into Jervis that I'm sure Jervis still
[00:37:54] looks great.
[00:37:55] I'm sure that that he is still going to be able to compete in the
[00:38:00] challenges.
[00:38:01] We got to see a little bit of like his trash talking side, especially
[00:38:05] if they do some kind of a format of the new versus old school versus
[00:38:11] new school of the old era versus the new era.
[00:38:15] Like if you really were looking for that person that is going to talk
[00:38:19] trash at the new era about how their Survivor is so easy and back in
[00:38:24] our day, we had a tough like Jervis could definitely be that guy.
[00:38:29] And so I think that Jervis I think would definitely be somebody who
[00:38:34] I think has, you know, as much of a shot as almost anybody else from
[00:38:39] Survivor Borneo to come back.
[00:38:40] I think the question is, is he looked upon by his most recent performance,
[00:38:45] which is really as a goat, right?
[00:38:47] We're like he did have moments of popping off.
[00:38:49] Don't let that fool you brought some personality.
[00:38:51] But for the most part, he was really regarded as just like Tyson sidekick
[00:38:54] who was just kind of there.
[00:38:56] But look, Jervis did not really know how to play the game in Survivor
[00:39:02] Borneo.
[00:39:02] Okay, now he comes in, learns the game, watches, you know, one of the
[00:39:09] greats in Tyson.
[00:39:10] Like does Jervis have it in him now?
[00:39:12] 3.0?
[00:39:13] That could get it.
[00:39:15] Did he read the TA rules and decided to come back and perhaps find a
[00:39:19] TA as he becomes the teacher?
[00:39:21] Yeah.
[00:39:22] So I do think that it would be nice to have somebody from the first
[00:39:27] season.
[00:39:27] I think there's only a couple of viable people that could come back.
[00:39:30] I think Jervis would love to come back and get another shot at it.
[00:39:33] So I think that it is a possibility.
[00:39:37] I'd be in favor of putting him on a vote.
[00:39:40] Yeah, I mean, he's certainly staying active with members of the
[00:39:43] community.
[00:39:43] I see him trash talking other people's sports teams all the time.
[00:39:46] Let's finish up one more jury member here.
[00:39:50] Let's go back to the enigmas here.
[00:39:52] Dr.
[00:39:52] Sean Kniff, the pioneer of the infamous alphabet strategy.
[00:39:56] Sean Kniff, I think would also be somebody who's very interesting to
[00:40:00] potentially return.
[00:40:01] I think if you were going to bring back somebody from Survivor Borneo,
[00:40:06] I think that he's somebody that people remember the alphabet strategy.
[00:40:11] He was also 30 at the time of Survivor Borneo.
[00:40:14] So 54 years old definitely is able to come back out there and play.
[00:40:20] Is he super interested in coming back to play?
[00:40:23] That I couldn't tell you.
[00:40:25] He doesn't seem to be particularly interested in Survivor based off of
[00:40:32] what I see him posting on social media, but.
[00:40:37] I think he could like I again are people clamoring for Dr.
[00:40:42] Sean?
[00:40:42] I don't know, but I think that he would be an interesting case.
[00:40:46] Dr.
[00:40:47] Sean was kind of like the original meme contestant.
[00:40:49] I feel like like the alphabet strategy was so ridiculous.
[00:40:52] The interesting thing is that I think if you look further into and
[00:40:55] maybe this is another podcast for another day is like is the alphabet
[00:40:58] strategy as bad as people think?
[00:40:59] I think you guys talked about this on TOS.
[00:41:01] Are you better to be like did Sean really adopt more so this strategy of
[00:41:05] like I don't want to be seen as a bad person by the public because I want
[00:41:09] to be famous and so I'm going to come up with like this out to vote out
[00:41:13] contestants.
[00:41:13] That was my theory.
[00:41:15] Josh and I talked about it a lot in TOS and Dr.
[00:41:19] Sean, I got the chance to interview him a couple years after that and
[00:41:22] he said no, no, no.
[00:41:24] I really just was doing the alphabet thing, but he's not.
[00:41:26] Is he going to admit it now?
[00:41:28] Of course not.
[00:41:29] He still wants to be viewed in the eyes of people.
[00:41:31] I think it'd be a very fun person to bring on.
[00:41:34] I argue it was he's a brain surgeon.
[00:41:36] Like you can't figure out the votes.
[00:41:39] I mean, weren't you there with a rocket scientist who couldn't solve a
[00:41:42] code in the first year of the challenge?
[00:41:43] Also, I think Jeff, I'm so excited for Dr.
[00:41:47] Sean to say like screw the fishing gear, Jeff.
[00:41:49] We have Super Bowl 2025.
[00:41:51] Don't you worry about it?
[00:41:52] Yeah, so so this is obviously the brunt of our conversation, but let's
[00:41:57] battle clean up here.
[00:41:58] Let's talk just talk about our first seven preacher.
[00:42:01] Well, I'd love to just like a moment and just say Rudy, what a great
[00:42:06] got to play with him in Survivor All-Stars.
[00:42:10] And so Rudy, you know, he wouldn't like he would.
[00:42:16] Yeah.
[00:42:17] I mean, I think he would be what like nearly nine a hundred by the
[00:42:22] time that this would cover out.
[00:42:23] So yeah, Rudy.
[00:42:24] Wow.
[00:42:25] He was 72 and so he would be 96 years young if he made it to this.
[00:42:32] And you know what?
[00:42:33] I still think he'd be like, yeah, we don't need no Flint.
[00:42:35] It's fine.
[00:42:36] Now they call it the new era, but.
[00:42:40] I think the old era was fun.
[00:42:43] I don't even know what TikTok is.
[00:42:46] I know clocks.
[00:42:48] Mm-Hmm.
[00:42:48] Yeah, well, let's talk some some preachers here.
[00:42:51] I guess should we stay on the in memoriam train here?
[00:42:53] Because this is sure the most recent survivor death is of course the
[00:42:57] loss of Sonia Christopher a few weeks ago.
[00:43:00] I know Rob, you and Josh got the opportunity to memorialize her and
[00:43:03] replay his first one out interview with her very sad loss for the
[00:43:07] survivor community.
[00:43:08] Yep, very sad about Sonia.
[00:43:10] Oh, you know, would have been nice to at least check in with her for
[00:43:14] the 50th anniversary season, if not for her to play.
[00:43:18] I mean for a podcast, but we know we never in all the excitement around
[00:43:23] the finale.
[00:43:23] We never checked in with Liz Wilcox and got the story about how she
[00:43:27] became so close with Sonia.
[00:43:28] Yeah, I think what she had to go to Applebee's together.
[00:43:31] I have no idea.
[00:43:33] I mean, I think what you said at the time was that Sonia was doing a
[00:43:36] buff giveaway contest and Liz like from a fan perspective, I think had
[00:43:41] signed up and won and part of that was I guess some sort of call with
[00:43:45] Sonia and then they built some sort of friendship.
[00:43:47] Wow.
[00:43:48] Okay, like maybe that's what's happening with Q on Cameo these days.
[00:43:52] We could only hope so.
[00:43:54] And then also we have lost as well the second boot from Survivor History
[00:43:59] BB2.
[00:44:00] So we only left with a... Am I imagining that anecdotally that BB did
[00:44:05] want to play again?
[00:44:05] Oh, I'm sure.
[00:44:07] I mean, that's the thing is that I would imagine BB may have deluded
[00:44:11] himself into believing like, no, I just needed the right people who
[00:44:14] wouldn't bulk at the idea.
[00:44:16] Now I got it all figured out.
[00:44:18] I'm trying to remember if I am making that up.
[00:44:20] He did offer an alliance to Ramona as they were looking for the
[00:44:23] water well in the Survivor premiere if I recall correctly.
[00:44:25] Mm-hmm.
[00:44:26] Sure.
[00:44:27] Sure.
[00:44:27] So the other people that are up for grabs here are... Well, maybe not up
[00:44:31] for grabs with the person we started with, it's Stacey Stillman.
[00:44:33] Stacey Stillman of the living contestants, maybe the least
[00:44:37] likeliest person to appear back on Survivor.
[00:44:40] What if they gave her like four idols to start the game?
[00:44:42] Like, no, no, no, don't worry.
[00:44:43] It's in your favor now.
[00:44:44] No, I mean, do you think that she doesn't want to come back?
[00:44:48] I think it's much more a case of I think that she's probably not
[00:44:51] welcome in the Survivor camp on Fiji.
[00:44:55] Yeah, I think if anything, she'd have to go by like, I don't know,
[00:44:58] Macy, Macy Millman.
[00:45:00] Yep.
[00:45:00] And for the uninitiated, you could go back and look that up.
[00:45:04] There was a court case after the first season of Survivor that
[00:45:08] Stacey Stillman said that the Survivor was unfair and that Mark
[00:45:13] Burnett had pressured... Was it...
[00:45:15] Dirk and Sean, I believe.
[00:45:18] Yeah, I think it was that originally Rudy was going to be voted
[00:45:22] out, but allegedly during their confessionals, production had
[00:45:26] poked Dirk and Sean in particular to change their votes to her.
[00:45:30] Yeah, okay.
[00:45:31] So, Dirk testified, I think also at the trial.
[00:45:36] Yeah, I was going to say, so we could talk about someone who was
[00:45:38] in that deposition in Dirk Bean.
[00:45:40] Dirk Bean knew, as Liana would say. Ramona Gray, who I know showed
[00:45:44] up on some of those Survivor diversity panels that did happen a few
[00:45:47] years ago. And then our two pagans that really began the streak
[00:45:50] to end this tribe in Joel and Gretchen.
[00:45:53] Okay, so if we could talk about them in... I'll talk about them in
[00:45:56] a reverse order of likelihood. Starting with Joel,
[00:46:00] I think that Joel, certainly Mr.
[00:46:03] January, I feel like that, you know, it's right there, Bryce, if
[00:46:05] you ever wanted it. I know, come on!
[00:46:06] I think that that would be probably unlikely, I think, for Joel
[00:46:13] who was, you know, one of the, you know, standouts, could have
[00:46:17] gone further in Survivor Borneo. He's 27 in Borneo, so that makes
[00:46:23] him 51 now. So not sure necessarily he's going to be high on the
[00:46:30] list, even if they want somebody from Borneo. Now, Ramona is
[00:46:35] interesting. Ramona isn't to me. Because Ramona has, you know,
[00:46:39] stayed in these circles, Mike. And Ramona, as you mentioned, was
[00:46:45] part of the group that really pressured Survivor to adopt the
[00:46:50] diversity initiative for all of the reality shows. Ramona's a
[00:46:56] scientist. Ramona too, also, looks... I'm not trying to objectify
[00:47:03] Ramona. Ramona is in fighting shape.
[00:47:07] Hmm. I mean, Ramona, additionally, this is a bit of apples and
[00:47:11] oranges, but I believe she competed in Battle of the Bush, which
[00:47:14] was a South Africa fan event a few years back. I think Bryce and
[00:47:18] Wendell were part of it as well. And she won the weakest link.
[00:47:21] Well, that certainly is something that you could bring home,
[00:47:24] especially in the year 2000. But Ramona is somebody... Now, what's
[00:47:27] interesting is in the quarantine questionnaire, she kind of had
[00:47:30] implied that that Battle of the Bush was kind of like her way of
[00:47:33] fulfilling her unfinished business, where she's like, I want to
[00:47:35] know what would happen if I made the merge. I made it to like sixth
[00:47:38] place. I won individual immunity.
[00:47:39] I feel good. Now, that being said, I'm sure she could be roused
[00:47:44] to come back if she would. But I think the question is, in our
[00:47:47] circles, maybe her spot has popped.
[00:47:51] I'm not sure on Survivor where really she was known as the one
[00:47:53] who was always sick until she was voted out.
[00:47:55] Mm-hmm.
[00:47:57] I do think there is a possibility for Gretchen.
[00:48:02] I think there's a very high possibility for Gretchen. High possibility.
[00:48:05] Okay. I mean, from our perspective, at least, in terms of something
[00:48:08] I would like to see because Gretchen Cordy was a victim of the
[00:48:12] most chaotic vote in Survivor history, of course, 4-1-1-1-1-1-1
[00:48:17] where basically the Toggy 4 pluralized the votes while
[00:48:22] everyone else was so scattered and voted off Gretchen. We had
[00:48:25] the infamous It's Me moment before Taylor Swift did it 20-something
[00:48:28] years later as she realized that the votes were coming in for her.
[00:48:32] Ironically enough, I remember when we did the B&B in its original
[00:48:34] days and we asked people like, what's the first episode of Survivor
[00:48:37] people usually watched? It was the merge of Survivor Borneo.
[00:48:40] And one of the reasons why Gretchen went is I think a lot of people
[00:48:43] saw her as someone who could be a viable candidate to win from Pagong.
[00:48:47] Yep. Now, Gretchen at the time, she was 38 years old.
[00:48:51] So Gretchen with this point would be 62 years young to go and play
[00:48:58] Survivor. Survivor, I think, really prides itself on, okay, physical
[00:49:03] challenges. Also, I mean that Gretchen was a great survivalist way
[00:49:09] back when. She was a nature guide, right? Yeah.
[00:49:13] Yes. She's listed as a teacher.
[00:49:16] I feel like she works in radio now from what I remember.
[00:49:22] She'd be great confessionalist then. Yes, but I don't know.
[00:49:28] I think it's a little bit of like it would not be the wildest
[00:49:32] thing to ever happen.
[00:49:34] But I feel like that out of like the people that we've talked about,
[00:49:37] I think that there could have been a time and a place to bring back
[00:49:39] Gretchen, but to bring back a 62-year-old Gretchen from the first
[00:49:45] season to play and you know Survivor 50, they're going to amp up
[00:49:50] the challenges.
[00:49:52] These are going to be like the challenge department is going to
[00:49:55] be going out of their mind.
[00:49:57] So I think that probably while possible, I think one of the more
[00:50:03] less likely possibilities.
[00:50:06] I mean, I think where she would be the most viable would be a second
[00:50:09] chances setting, right? Because much like Greg, I think Gretchen is
[00:50:12] sort of in that category of she was it was the first season.
[00:50:15] Nobody really knew what they were doing, even though Gretchen sort
[00:50:18] of had the idea of an alliance as well on Pagong.
[00:50:20] It's just that nobody would bite and was voted out by a next level
[00:50:24] piece of strategy for all of this show.
[00:50:26] So I would love to see it kind of get paid forward as well of like
[00:50:29] now how would she do in this hyper strategic environment?
[00:50:34] Anything on Dirk, Rob? No.
[00:50:38] Great, let's move ahead.
[00:50:39] So here we go.
[00:50:41] We talked about the entire cast and like this will go a little bit over
[00:50:44] 50 minutes just because we had to do a lot of set dressing at the top
[00:50:47] here. But look, that's the goal.
[00:50:50] Mike doesn't mean that we're going to hit it every time.
[00:50:53] We're here to make a good podcast.
[00:50:55] Well, here's where it comes down to the heart of the matter, Rob.
[00:50:59] It is now our job to figure out one to three candidates that we would
[00:51:05] like to put forward on this fan ballot.
[00:51:09] Well, how do we decide?
[00:51:11] We each write down three names.
[00:51:13] I think it could be and then the matches get through.
[00:51:16] I think we could do that or we could also do like if one of us has a
[00:51:19] candidate and the other Richard knows how to get matches through, by
[00:51:21] the way. Yes, exactly.
[00:51:23] So I think, you know, we could certainly write down maybe our own
[00:51:26] top three and then try to see what matches up.
[00:51:30] And then if there's any separate components that you really want to
[00:51:33] argue for, I'm more than happy to meet you there.
[00:51:37] Now, I think I have a top three that combines viability and also
[00:51:47] desire from production.
[00:51:48] Is that the right word?
[00:51:49] You know, interest.
[00:51:51] Yeah.
[00:51:51] What do you got going on?
[00:51:52] Mm hmm.
[00:51:53] Yeah.
[00:51:54] Okay.
[00:51:55] I'm going to say.
[00:51:57] I think probably most interesting that I guess I'll go Greg.
[00:52:05] I had Greg on my list as well.
[00:52:08] I don't know if he would do it.
[00:52:09] I think that they would want him.
[00:52:10] I don't know if he would do it.
[00:52:12] Maybe they could talk him into it.
[00:52:15] And I think that that could be a thing where people might tune in.
[00:52:21] Oh, Greg, Greg from the first season is on.
[00:52:23] Oh, okay.
[00:52:24] I think all they need to do is he walks in and say, I'm thinking of a
[00:52:26] number between one and a million match it.
[00:52:29] Mm hmm.
[00:52:29] Yeah.
[00:52:30] And if they can't get him for this, somebody's got to then do the
[00:52:33] documentary series to find him.
[00:52:35] All right.
[00:52:36] Well, ready?
[00:52:36] Somebody's got to do that.
[00:52:37] Yeah, we're waiting for the the Kickstarter to start as to finding
[00:52:40] Greg Buis.
[00:52:41] Yeah, that's great.
[00:52:44] I'll throw out one here.
[00:52:46] I will throw Jenna Lewis.
[00:52:48] Okay, Jenna also on my list.
[00:52:50] Okay, there we go.
[00:52:51] Two for two right now.
[00:52:52] Again, I think that she is someone that has a lot of interesting
[00:52:55] capabilities that I think would show and also help by the fact that
[00:52:58] she has been in the running apparently plenty of times and is more than
[00:53:01] happy to come back.
[00:53:02] I think that Jenna Lewis look if they were looking for somebody from
[00:53:06] these first couple of seasons that I think that Jenna Lewis is somebody
[00:53:11] who's not going to be past the limit where they're like, okay, this
[00:53:15] person can't play survivor anymore.
[00:53:17] So she's she's always been very physically fit even more.
[00:53:21] So I think that as time has gone on and you know, I used to, you know,
[00:53:27] Jenna Lewis particularly.
[00:53:28] Well, I had a very bad faux pas with her way back when around the time
[00:53:32] that we were casting for Survivor All-Stars and you were part of the
[00:53:37] infamous group to Ambers and to Rob's right to Ambers and to Rob's and
[00:53:40] that summer there was a lot of interactions between all the survivors
[00:53:44] and one night Jenna Lewis was talking to me and she said so, you know,
[00:53:50] what do you think?
[00:53:51] What do you think about my chances?
[00:53:53] And I said, yeah, I got to be honest.
[00:53:55] I'm like, I got to think don't start with that.
[00:53:57] Do not start with that.
[00:53:58] I think you're on the outside looking in.
[00:54:00] I don't really think that, you know, I think there's a lot of other
[00:54:03] way and she is like, yeah, well, like, you know, I'm going like, oh,
[00:54:07] I feel so stupid now.
[00:54:09] She never got a chance to even vote me out though.
[00:54:12] Ha ha ha jokes on you.
[00:54:13] So let's have it finally be pay for for Rob to be wrong and for Jenna
[00:54:18] to get put on this list.
[00:54:19] Put her on right put her on our list.
[00:54:21] Okay, and then the other person that I have.
[00:54:24] I don't know if you're going to turn your key, Mike, but I'm going
[00:54:27] to have Jervis also on as one of the people that I think could
[00:54:32] potentially return.
[00:54:33] So I think right now it's going to come down to a battle of the G's.
[00:54:37] I think it's either Jervis or Gretchen for that last spot.
[00:54:39] Yeah, I think that.
[00:54:43] Jervis has way more name recognition and that if you're looking for
[00:54:49] somebody from the first season, I feel like that, you know, the
[00:54:52] diehards of diehards, I think are going to remember Gretchen.
[00:54:57] Whereas I feel like that Jervis, you know, nothing Gretchen is that
[00:55:01] common of a name, but it's such a unique name.
[00:55:05] Like he's done a good job of keeping his name out there.
[00:55:08] I know he's already come back for blood versus water.
[00:55:12] But if you wanted somebody to say like, okay and all the way back
[00:55:16] from the very first season, like I just think that Jervis, you know,
[00:55:20] coming out there and like, you know, giving that, you know, buff tip
[00:55:25] to he would talk a lot of trash.
[00:55:28] Like I think there's a lot there with Jervis.
[00:55:31] I think that Jervis, I know we interviewed him on Talking with
[00:55:34] T-Bird.
[00:55:34] I saw him the last time I was in Philly.
[00:55:36] He looked great.
[00:55:37] So I think that, you know, Jervis could come back out there and
[00:55:43] you know, still be a lot of fun.
[00:55:44] Yeah.
[00:55:44] So I think what it comes down to honestly is perhaps viability as
[00:55:48] you're speaking with versus potential.
[00:55:50] I think for me, that's what I see in Gretchen is this idea of someone
[00:55:54] who was kind of cut down in the prime of their survivor life and
[00:55:58] yes, it would be being brought back under extremely different
[00:56:01] circumstances, but it's kind of one of those bigger what ifs, one
[00:56:05] of those bigger Rob's.G.Odysseys in the first couple of seasons
[00:56:09] of Survivor.
[00:56:10] And so it is a bit more of a heart pick for me, but I do think if
[00:56:14] we're also trying to look at this as an opportunity to maybe bring
[00:56:16] back some of those people who haven't had that chance and could
[00:56:20] be sort of that X factor in addition to Greg and Jenna.
[00:56:23] That's why I would put Gretchen forward.
[00:56:24] Why can't we put both in?
[00:56:26] Why can't we have four?
[00:56:27] You made up these rules.
[00:56:29] Well, why can't we do what like are they made to be broken that
[00:56:32] we want to give people options?
[00:56:34] I mean, I'm happy to put forward for I'm happy to break these
[00:56:38] rules immediately.
[00:56:39] Sam is saying, who cares if we put in three people or four people
[00:56:45] from Survivor Borneo?
[00:56:46] It is Survivor Borneo.
[00:56:47] I think why are we boxing ourselves in of like, oh no, we can only
[00:56:52] put three people per season on the list.
[00:56:54] Like it's a fan vote.
[00:56:55] I mean, I understand why we're getting it down from 16 to a smaller
[00:57:00] number, but who cares if it's three or four?
[00:57:02] I'm going to be put on my dad hat right now and be like, I will
[00:57:05] allow it this once, but next time I will be more strict.
[00:57:08] I'll be Jeff with the negotiations, right?
[00:57:09] I'm like you denied me once, but I don't know why we're being so
[00:57:13] ticky tack like this isn't real.
[00:57:16] Tell that to all the people that are going to be in the comments
[00:57:18] demanding that we put Sue on the ballot.
[00:57:21] That's so hot.
[00:57:23] I do not believe will would want to come back for this.
[00:57:27] Like if there was like if we were like debating between like, you
[00:57:30] know, four viable people, you know, I think it's I think it's fine.
[00:57:35] I think the goal should be to try to get it to three.
[00:57:37] But if you if it's like, okay, we have to leave somebody off the
[00:57:40] ballot like why like ultimately everybody's gonna get a chance
[00:57:44] to vote on this.
[00:57:45] Like why are we spiting Gretchen or Jervis?
[00:57:49] All right.
[00:57:50] Well, listen, I'm here to stick with the G's and that's what we're
[00:57:53] doing with the list that we're putting forward right now.
[00:57:55] So our first names on this ballot for a possible season 50 fan vote
[00:58:00] will be in order of finish reverse order Jervis Peterson, Jenna
[00:58:04] Lewis, Greg Buess, Gretchen Cordy, real Pagong representation here
[00:58:08] on the ballot.
[00:58:09] Yes.
[00:58:09] Yes.
[00:58:10] Okay.
[00:58:10] And I think we did a good job.
[00:58:11] I like it personally.
[00:58:13] Again, I think to your point people will have their quibbles.
[00:58:16] I think in a perfect world, someone like Sue would be viable to
[00:58:19] come back.
[00:58:19] But I think we are also trying to live relatively in the realm of
[00:58:23] okay, realistically, would they want to come back in as much of
[00:58:27] a mystery as it might be for some of these people, at least with
[00:58:29] these people, we have definitive answers usually one way or the
[00:58:31] other.
[00:58:31] Yeah, and I don't want mean to disparage Gretchen at all.
[00:58:35] I mean, my biggest thing is I'm not sure if Gretchen at 62 and
[00:58:39] maybe somebody to say Rob, she just ran an ultra marathon yesterday.
[00:58:42] Certainly possible.
[00:58:44] I don't know, but I just feel like that in Survivors, you know,
[00:58:49] current casting and it's going to be an older cast anyway.
[00:58:53] Like I don't know necessarily if we're going to go with, you know,
[00:58:58] what they're looking for.
[00:58:59] Last thing that I want to do is, of course, the ability to appear
[00:59:04] on reality TV is not limited to Survivor and especially in the
[00:59:07] past couple years.
[00:59:08] We have seen a slew of these all-star reality shows outside of
[00:59:12] Survivor things like the challenge things like the traders things
[00:59:16] like the goat and other shows that don't just begin with the so I
[00:59:19] want to add the end of all these podcasts also put in a superlative
[00:59:23] for one wild card pick Rob if we could pick one member of this
[00:59:28] Borneo cast who's not on our current ballot that you would want
[00:59:32] to see on another type of these shows.
[00:59:34] What would it be?
[00:59:35] I have one in mind.
[00:59:36] So I'll just I'll just say it at the top while you're thinking
[00:59:38] because while Sue Hawk may not want to get on a beach anytime, I
[00:59:42] would love to see her in a mansion.
[00:59:44] I would love to see her on the traders.
[00:59:46] Yeah, I just think that she's done with the spotlight.
[00:59:48] I mean, I feel like that Richard certainly could do the traders.
[00:59:52] I think that that's definitely in the realm of possibility.
[00:59:56] I think him mixing it up with Alan Cumming.
[00:59:59] I think would definitely be something memorable and Richard does
[01:00:02] have a history with coming considering all the children he sired.
[01:00:05] Yes.
[01:00:05] Okay, and I also feel like has Richard Hatch not done the mass
[01:00:12] singer yet?
[01:00:12] Has that not happened?
[01:00:14] We haven't had anybody from a CBS reality show on the mass singer
[01:00:17] yet.
[01:00:18] Mm-Hmm.
[01:00:19] Yeah.
[01:00:19] So those would be, you know, the people that I think that what would
[01:00:24] he be?
[01:00:25] He's used to his most well known for not wearing a costume.
[01:00:27] Yes.
[01:00:27] Oh, I'm not sure.
[01:00:30] I don't want to know.
[01:00:31] We could only imagine.
[01:00:32] That's a little bit more of a loosing race.
[01:00:34] Like what we would want to see in other seasons, but Rob one down.
[01:00:40] 30 something to go in this and I am already very excited for these
[01:00:44] process.
[01:00:45] We already broken our set rules and where we've started to fill the
[01:00:48] ballot and I'm so pumped for what we're about to get into.
[01:00:50] It's great to have rules, but also like, you know, let's let's also,
[01:00:57] you know, make sure to have fun too.
[01:00:59] Exactly.
[01:01:00] Let's pull the Mike White method and ask ourselves.
[01:01:02] Is it fun?
[01:01:03] I certainly had fun.
[01:01:05] I hope you did as well.
[01:01:06] Rob.
[01:01:06] I had a great time.
[01:01:07] This is so wonderful that this whole project.
[01:01:12] I'm very excited to see how it all goes and I'll be listening every
[01:01:18] day.
[01:01:18] Yeah.
[01:01:19] So again, we will be back every week.
[01:01:21] And now we did put this out a little bit early.
[01:01:23] Typically, this would have dropped on Monday, June 3rd, but because
[01:01:27] Of course, the anniversary, hopefully like Jeff Probst will not pass
[01:01:31] that anniversary opportunity up.
[01:01:32] So the next one you'll be listening to is, of course, the Australian
[01:01:36] Outback.
[01:01:36] That's going to come out on Tuesday the 4th.
[01:01:39] So you have a little bit of the weekend and change to kind of mold
[01:01:42] things over but I will be back discussing the 16 contestants of
[01:01:45] Survivor the Australian Outback and look, we are talking about people
[01:01:48] who have not been linked up with Survivor for some time that are
[01:01:52] looking for return.
[01:01:54] I could think it no more appropriate that we go from Richard Hatch to
[01:01:58] down the hatch as Josh Wiggler will be talking Survivor.
[01:02:03] He's going to be sitting down with me to talk about Tyler Weigert.
[01:02:06] Yes, exactly.
[01:02:07] To figure out who from Survivor the Australian Outback should be
[01:02:11] entered in this ballot alongside our four Pagans.
[01:02:14] Rob, anything else you'd like to plug right now for the listeners?
[01:02:17] I know we're already kind of a bit long on time.
[01:02:18] No, if you just happen to check this out, be sure to check out our
[01:02:21] Summer of Survivor Wednesday night.
[01:02:23] Mike and Shannon and I are figuring out a new Survivor podcast to do
[01:02:26] every single week with the help of you, the listeners.
[01:02:29] So be sure to join us for that.
[01:02:31] That's all here in our Survivor podcast feed at robisitwebsite.com
[01:02:35] slash Survivor feed. And of course, again, make sure you subscribe
[01:02:39] to check out everything we have going on.
[01:02:41] Again, every weekday we'll have one of these podcasts. Make your
[01:02:44] thoughts known as well.
[01:02:45] I'm sure you certainly have already and let us know your thoughts
[01:02:49] about who you want to see on the ballot as we start building this
[01:02:52] thing up before the inevitable fan vote much, much, much later down
[01:02:56] the line.
[01:02:57] This has been such a great opportunity.
[01:02:59] I'm so excited for this project.
[01:03:01] I hope everyone else is as well.
[01:03:02] I'll be- yeah, go ahead Rob. An honor to get to talk about some of
[01:03:07] this with an honest-to-goodness Survivor historian.
[01:03:10] Well, if you're the honor, I am the Jervis who is on the ballot.
[01:03:14] Thank you all so much for listening.
[01:03:15] I'll be back on Tuesday picking players from the Australian
[01:03:19] Outback with Josh Wiggler. Until then everybody, take care.
[01:03:22] Bye-bye.