Survivor 48 Pre-Game Day 10: David Kinne & Kamilla Karthigesu

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[00:00:25] Hi, everybody, and welcome to RHAP Survivor 48 Pre-Season Interviews Day 10. We've officially reached double digits here in the Survivor Pre-Season Series, and I have a double dose of interviews for you today as we are rounding the bend here. This is my second to last group of interviews. We'll be talking with David and Kamilla on the SIVA tribe. Now, again, we're getting to the

[00:00:54] end of this so you know this broken record's gonna keep playing the same old track. Subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. WeKnowSurvivor.com to check out all of our Survivor podcasts, and RobHasAwebsite.com slash YouTube to check out all of the video podcasts we have going on, including video versions of these very interviews that I'm going to get into today as we are segwaying out of this particular

[00:01:20] pre-season series and gearing up for the premiere proper in exactly two weeks from today. We have plenty of stuff going on when it comes to Survivor 48, but let's not put the cart before the horse here. Let's get to my interview with David Kinney. So David is 39 years old. He is originally from Long

[00:01:42] Beach, California, but currently lives in Buena Park, California, and he is a stunt performer. And in a few ways, I think David is someone that certainly stands out as unique from what some might qualify as quote unquote typical new era casting. I mean, in a very buff cast, this is a guy that even sticks out amongst them. He is someone who is often cited by the other players throughout this

[00:02:10] interview series being given the nicknames of Superman and Captain America. His physique is definitely something you notice first when you see him, understandably so given his work. And he is somebody who would tell you firsthand as he does in this interview, he is not the biggest Survivor fan. He watched a few seasons with his parents when he was young, and he more so applied for the adventure

[00:02:37] of it all than really out of a sense of lifelong fandom. But despite not really having that sense of history, David is ready to make history on Survivor 48. That much is clear. Let's jump off right now and fall into the proverbial map that is David as you check out my interview with him. Game, age, and occupation. My name is David Kinney. I'm 38 years old and currently work as a stunt performer, although I'm

[00:03:04] kind of changing careers. Stunt performer in the air? No, in the air. I mean, I do work. I mean, I have my commercial pilot's license. So I saw that in your bio. That's where I'm transitioning and stepping away from stunts. You know, I want to slowly accumulate enough wealth so I can start a family. It's kind of like my dream. And so, yeah, but I do stunts mainly just high falls, fighting, you know, falling on the ground, a lot of wire work, rope work, things like that. So how long had you been doing this for? How did you get involved in this?

[00:03:33] I actually got into stunts pretty late, actually. Really? Since 2016 or so. Wow. So a little under 10 years. But it's been a wild ride since then. A lot of bruises, a lot of bumps along the way, but I love it. So how did that happen? Are you just someone that like consistently, you know, fell from tall towers and was like, I think I could make a career out of this? You know, I guess I've kind of always been in a little bit of an adrenaline junkie. Okay. You know, like I worked as a whitewater rafting instructor in Colorado for like six summers and obviously played sports throughout my whole life. And I've always kind of been chasing

[00:04:02] the thrill of random things that might, you know, some people might, I guess, be a little squeamish of. And I don't know, I guess kind of learns that I don't want to say that I'm pretty fearless because I don't know, sounds a little arrogant, but then again, I am a little arrogant. So yeah, I've always been a little fearless. And so I kind of put performance and I guess athletics together and you get stunts. So then how did that segue? Yeah. Was being a pilot something in particular that you would always wanted to do? What made you finally decide, like, this was the time to make your big move in a manner of speaking?

[00:04:31] Well, you know, I love doing stunts, but again, at 38 years old, starting to wear and tear on my body, starting to hit pretty hard and no pun intended. And so I wanted a career that I guess would provide the stability that I lacked doing stunts. And so that's why I decided to become a pilot. Really what happened is I'd got my sports pilot certificate as a hobby. Ooh, I'm a man of many hobbies and literally, literally my, I was at a wedding. One of my good friends was getting married and he had just got his pilot's license that he turned to me and he's like, Hey, like you do everything. Like I have nobody to fly with. You ever thought

[00:05:01] about getting your pilot's license? And I was like, okay, yeah, sure. That was literally my reaction. The next day I signed up for pilot's license. And then eventually after I got my sports pilot certificate, I realized, you know what? This can probably be a pretty good career. I might as well just go for this. Wow. So then what made you go from being a pilot to the game of pilots and passengers, if you will, the game of survivor? I mean, you spoke about being an adrenaline junkie. Is that par for the course with this? Absolutely. I love to challenge myself and what other challenge is there like survivor? Yeah. So, you know, I feel like everything that I've done in my life has kind of led me

[00:05:30] to this moment or at least train me for this moment because I think, you know, my social skills, my physical skills, my adept, you know, even puzzles, for example, I think I'm fairly good at puzzles as well. And I think pretty much everything that I've done so far in my life is going to have or give me an advantage in this game. So therefore I had to apply. I never wanted to challenge myself, see if I'm as good as I actually think I am. And you know what? Maybe it'll allow me good fortune and I'll go home with a million dollars. How long have you been watching the show for? What's your history with watching survivor?

[00:05:57] Not going to lie. Not a whole lot. Okay. So again, I knew of survivor. So I grew up watching the first few seasons with my family, like a lot of people. And admittedly, never watched it again until after I applied. And then once I got interest from my application, that sounds like, oh, I should probably actually go back and watch the show. It's a really funny story. Cause like, you know, I got a call from one of the casting producers, uh, Penny, you know, she called me and she's like, oh, great. Love your resume. All right. You can have a one-on-one with Jeff. And I was like, great. Uh, how do you,

[00:06:27] what's his last name? And I swear to God. And she was like, uh, Probst. And I'm like, I'm on the computer, like talking. Like I was like, okay. How do you spell that? P-R-O-B-S-T. And I can like hear her hesitation in the phone. And so she hesitates and says something else, you know, so I type into Google Jeff Probst. And I'm like, oh, that's the host is, you know, his face pops up. I don't obviously recognize him. She's like, yes, that's the host. You fucking idiot. Like, what do you mean?

[00:06:54] What are you doing applying on survivor? What are you? So yeah. And so next thing you know, like she love hate relationship, she wanted me on the show. But again, I needed to watch the show. So I did go back and watch the new eras. And I kind of watched a couple of the older ones, but, uh, yeah, I don't really have a whole lot of survivor under my belt, to be honest. Well, I think even from your limited experience, I'd love to ask you just watching the seasons you have. Yeah. Give me a winner and a non-winner who you identify with the most

[00:07:21] personally, strategically, et cetera. Ooh, you know, I'm an arrogant a-hole at times, but I love Austin actually. I think he just, very sincere, very kind. And I think I'll play a lot like Austin because at the end of the day, I do need to diminish my threat level. And I do believe in kindness, number one, you know? And so I like Austin. I like the game that he played. I like how sincere he was and, you know, it kind of stabbed him in the back. So I won't be able to play maybe as nice as Austin,

[00:07:50] but at least that's kind of like my goal, you know, just be likable like him. And, you know, I think D also played a very good game. So season 45 is definitely my favorite season of survivor if you can't hurry and tell. And then also, you know, a lot of people compare me to Jonathan Young. I don't know why, I mean, but hey, so. You say as you subtly flex your arm. Yeah, subtly flex, you know, but yeah. But I think Jonathan's great, but he definitely lacked the social game and the puzzle solving abilities that I have. So we'll see if he can get to the final four

[00:08:20] or final five, then maybe I'll do a little better. Well, I'm intrigued because obviously, again, you're someone who is supplementally not like a huge fan, but when you found out you were going, when you found out who Proof Gym Probes was, what was your process like? You know, was it, was it sort of a broad-based thing? Were you pursuing specific skills to get ready for this experience? Well, I mean, obviously I've been working out and going to the gym for 22 years. There are things that I did do differently. Like I've been obviously more about strength, less endurance. I did up the cardio. You know, my friends will tell you that I don't really do a whole lot of cardio,

[00:08:48] but, you know, I can still hold my own, I guess. So training-wise, I definitely changed up a bit, but to be honest, like I was in pretty good shape when I applied, so I didn't have to do too much. Yeah. And I think I'm in probably the best shape I've ever been in. Yeah. So if you could give me your biggest superpower and your biggest piece of kryptonite when it comes to this game or your own life, like what would it be and why? Like superpower? I mean, I don't know. I do have a superhuman ability though. What's this? Yeah. So, you know, like when I go diving,

[00:09:18] because I love to dive in one of my hobbies that I have, free diving and scuba diving, and I don't have to like pinch my nose to equalize. Like I can pop my ears on command. So yeah. Interesting. It's a nice little handy thing that happens when I go diving and I'll have to like, you know, sit there and do that. Amazing on airplanes. On airplanes is great. Perfect for a pilot. Obviously, perfect for a pilot. So yeah. Beneficial in that. That's, I guess, my superhuman ability. Uh, and what was the other one you wanted? Yeah. I mean, is there a superpower from like your life that you feel might be your best quality in the game? Might best be my best

[00:09:47] quality in the game. Ooh, I don't know. I think, I think I can chisel away at people that don't like me, you know, like I think I can find common ground on someone because look, I'm a nerd trapped in a jock's body. All right. It might not be obvious, like, but I can connect with pretty much anybody because I have so many different hobbies and so many different interests. And I think that even if you don't like me, you'll kind of slowly be like, okay, this guy's no so bad. Like, oh, this guy's pretty cool. I think I have that effect on a lot of people. As long as they just take the time to

[00:10:15] get to know me when you're stuck on an island, they're going to have to. So yeah. Give me, unpack your nerd resume for me. What would you classify as nerd? I'm a huge, I'm a huge gamer. Like, yeah, PC master race all the way. Like, you know, um, can go, I can talk to you all day long about that. Uh, I lived in Japan for four years, so I did get introduced to a lot of anime. Wow. Um, yeah. So I don't know. I'm just kind of all over the spectrum. Um, you know, I build my own PCs as well. I like, I love board games. Like I just love anything with a challenge really. And yeah. So, I mean,

[00:10:45] I'm a big kind of a sap to be honest. Like I love rom-coms. My favorite movie of all time is Notting Hill. Oh yeah. Not afraid to admit it. Like they just don't make movies like that anymore. Although anyone but you was pretty good. I did like anybody. I remember you. I did like that movie. Yeah. And I feel like there was a lot of discourse at the time of like, oh, you can still make these types of movies. Yes, exactly. The banter going back and forth. I was like, ah, like this is great. Like I love that. So then what would you say is your biggest piece of kryptonite? What do you think is your biggest weakness from your own personality that might play into the game?

[00:11:14] My biggest kryptonite in the game, honestly, uh, some people might say my arrogance or my confidence could get me in trouble. I think it's an asset. I think it's better, you know, better to be too confident than too, I guess, humble. You know, especially on a game like Survivor or any competitive nature or any competitive, uh, I guess, circumstance. So we'll see. I don't really know. I know. I wouldn't say that I really have a kryptonite. Like I, I'm not worried about the food. I'm not worried about the social game. I'm not really worried about the puzzles.

[00:11:40] I'm not like the greatest of puzzles. I honestly don't think I have, uh, yeah, I don't think I have really anything to worry about. How do you think you're going to be perceived in this game? Cause you talk about how your physicality might precede you. Is that something you want to steer into? It doesn't matter if I want to steer into it or not. It's there. Like I can't, there's no way I'm going to fly into the radar. I can't fit under the radar. Okay. Like it's just not going to happen. So I have to embrace that. And again, I think the key is to

[00:12:08] just be kind. Like I can be a physical threat. People are going to know that. So I'm going to have to maybe downplay my social abilities or maybe downplay any sort of puzzle solving abilities I may have, you know, but at the end of the day, I think just being kind to people, you know, like really sincerely just being kind and nice and hopefully establishing friendships that are going to take me, well, a little bit beyond the merge at least. And then from there, you know, yeah, I might have to make some, uh, I have to make some, make some waves, but we'll see. Yeah. Cause I mean,

[00:12:36] yeah. Once the merge hits, we just saw this with Hunter a little bit last season too, right? It's this matter of like, well, all eyes be on you and how do you adjust your game from there? Yes. I think Hunter lacked a little bit of the social game that would have kept him in the game longer, but yeah, I think you're very much hitting the nail in the head. And I think that's what everybody's going to look at me and think, okay, you know, he's going to be great until the merge. And then, you know, first boot come jury or merge. And honestly, I just hope that I can, you know, have enough social game to last me a little longer. And let's be honest,

[00:13:05] I'm really not going to need to worry about it because I'm just going to win every challenge anyway. So that's exactly, this is all plan B stuff. You just had that necklace tattooed on your body. Exactly. What would you say is one life experience that has prepared you the most for this? Obviously you have lived this incredibly varied life. Can you pick out anything that you think might be most appropriate to this game? Ah, I think honestly being in a state of pressure constantly, you know, life and death scenarios, even like for myself and other people, like I,

[00:13:35] I do not buckle under pressure whatsoever. I thrive in it. And I think that honestly is going to bode very well for this game. So just, you know, again, from whether it's stunts, whether it's, you know, flying planes that are older than I am, don't know if they're going to fall out of the sky, whether it's, you know, going down class five rapids. Like I live under pressure and I think that's one of my greatest strengths. And I think it's going to translate very well to this game. So we spoke about your perception. Let's flip that around on some of the other people that are sitting out there. Cause I'm sure, yeah, as you talked about, you've been kind of sitting in

[00:14:03] silence for the past several days. I'm sure you have some, some thoughts, some reads. Let's start with the positive side of things. Describe to me some people that you're getting good vibes from that like best case scenario day one, you hit the beach together. This could be a ride or die for me. There's an older woman, I get the oldest woman on the cast, I guess, uh, you know, and she's always smiling. It's weird to me that everybody is sitting there so stoic and just in their little books and taking down notes. And I'm like trying to like smile at people and just be nice. Like, cause again, that's just me in the real world. And it's just so weird how stoic and how,

[00:14:33] I guess, unenthusiastic people are. And so the few people that do smile and do give me at least, you know, something like shows me that they are humans that I pick up on. And so she has been very nice and just, you know, pleasant. Just again, we don't talk, we don't really say anything. And it's just the quickest of smiles, but you can just tell that she's sincere and kind. And I really liked that. I think kindness goes a long way. And that's why I look for an allies because when someone's kind, they're more than likely going to be honest as well. So that's what I kind of look for is people that are kind in the game and I'm going to be friends with them and try to make

[00:15:02] alliances with them. And so she's at the top of my list. Don't know if she's on my tribe or not, but, um, and then also there is a few others. There's a, there's a man with glasses. He's also doing the same. He's always looking around, trying to be friendly and just smile. And you can kind of pick up on things, you know, people let's just say thank you to those who are around, even if something, you know, like picking up a dish and they'll just say thank you. Whereas others don't. And to me, that goes a long way. Yeah. So that's so interesting. Cause yeah, I mean, the courtesy that they provide others, you hope that would extend even in a cutthroat game,

[00:15:29] like survivor. Exactly. Exactly. So, you know, there, those two for sure. And I think honestly, there is a, there's this, this shorter Asian guy and I have a feeling he's going to do really well in the challenges. I don't know why, but I just have a feeling that, you know, he's, he's very athletic. Like you can kind of tell from his physique, but I think he's going to be a force to reckon with for sure. Now, is that someone you're like great meat shield or is that someone you're saying like big competition? I want to get rid of that. I mean, I want the competition. So,

[00:15:58] you know, but I wouldn't say big competition, but I would definitely keep my eye on him for sure. Anybody else that you're either, you're not picking up a good vibe or more. You're not, you're not even able to read, which can itself be a red flag. No, I think I'm pretty good at reading people. Let me see. Maybe it jumps out. Not particularly, I would guess. There's a Marianne looking girl. And I think she, once again, is kind of giving off that very kind,

[00:16:27] very sincere vibe. I would love to be friends with her. I hope she's on my tribe as well. Yeah. But aside from that, yeah. I mean, everybody has, you know, I've taken my little notes on any of everybody that's come across, but those are the ones that kind of stand out so far. Everybody else is still up in the air. The DNA of the new era is all about advantages, idols, journeys. I mean, how much do you plan on incorporating that into your own game? Well, I'm going to need it. Let's be honest. Okay. Cause as much as I say, I'm going to win every challenge, you know, odds are probably against me. I don't know. Insert small flex.

[00:16:57] Um, but yeah, so I know I'm going to need an idol at some point. I know I'm going to need an advantage at some point. And the further the game gets, the more desperate I may become. And we'll see how that plays out in the game. But I absolutely know that if I'm going to win this game, I'm going to need something. Are you somebody that like when the boat pulls up a camp for a journey, are you someone that's going to volunteer? Are you going to put yourself down front? Day one, absolutely not. Yeah. But then again, also like I'm already a threat. People know that and they're going to want me. So maybe it's, I'll have to, I'll have to see how it's going with my tribe, to be honest, you know,

[00:17:26] cause if I, I feel like I'm getting, I feel like I'm really strong tribe. I might not need it. Yeah. You know, but at the same time, I think I would be safer than most being that physical dominant, you know, challenge beast that most people would expect me to be. And so therefore they want to hopefully hold onto me and carry them to the merge. So we'll see. It's a, it's all contextual. Do you anticipate stepping up into a leadership role just based on that sort of physical stature? Are you more so like use me for challenges and then I'm good. That's that. I do not want to

[00:17:53] be in a leadership role because I do not want to have my threat level raised beyond what it already has to be. I would happily be the pack mule. All right. I'll be, I'll be the farm boy, you know, grabbing your pitcher, whatever you need, man. Like I got you. Okay. Just do not put me in the leadership role because I don't want to have any other eyes on me more so than they have to be. Interesting. So until at least initially. And then my whole goal is to obviously form those friendships and then start to whisper in their ears, Hey, you know, maybe so-and-so. And then

[00:18:22] eventually, yes, I will take on a leadership role, whether there's a mutiny or not, I will take on that role eventually, but definitely not initially. What is your most controversial survivor opinion? What do you think is your hottest take about a player, a season, the show in general, the new era? So again, I haven't watched a lot of survivor, but the last season I was watching was heroes versus villains. I would love some of those, like just one-on-one brutal challenges, man. Like

[00:18:50] I was bringing those back from your perspective. Yeah. I mean, what do you want from me? Like, you know, you're throwing the puzzles at people. Why can't I throw the physical challenges at others? Like, come on. Where's the challenges for me? I mean, that was an epic challenge. It was, I mean, it was, you talk about putting your body on the line like you do. Shoulders were dislocated. Toes were broken, like. Only for the weak? That's true, I guess. That's true. God, people are gonna

[00:19:18] hate me back home. Oh, well. Sorry. Sorry. No, I mean, this is, this is what we're here for, right? For to make a good TV. So when it comes to the past couple seasons for 45, 46, I feel like it's been so, such a step from what we saw previously in the new era. As you've been prepping for this experience, is there anything you took away from those past few seasons that you want to incorporate into your own game just based on the stuff that happened out here previously? Yeah, I gotta go. I think it goes back to taking on those leadership roles. It seems more often than not,

[00:19:47] they have a detrimental effect to one's game. Yeah. And so I think, you know, sort of like Hunter did, you know, he can be a challenge beast, but then he sort of just laid low during the camp life. I think that's kind of the route to take, but he stuck or he stuck with that far too long. He needed to transition into, you know, a position of power and he just tried to ride that wave a little too long. And so that's where he screwed up and that's where I'm not going to screw up. Hopefully knock on wood,

[00:20:13] almost knocked on the table. Sorry. Uh, but yeah, I think, um, honestly learning to just keep your mouth shut. You know, I grew up with three sisters. I should be pretty good at that. And, uh, you know, be patient, bide my time until it's my moment. If you could pick a celebrity or a fictional character to bring out as a loved one for a loved one's visit, who would it be and why? I don't know. Anthony Hopkins, Anthony Hopkins. Okay. Kind of electro himself. Right. I mean, every, I feel like everything that guy says is a poem. So you know what, where else can you draw

[00:20:42] inspiration from? That's very true. Like I think everything would just stop and everyone just look over at him as he goes into a beautiful monologue. He's my favorite actor. So I don't know that that's, that just kind of sprung to mind, honestly, but yeah, I don't know. It'd be kind of fun. Yeah. Well, last thing I want to ask, obviously we know survivor 50 is on the horizon. It's going to be returnees. How are you going to make your mark on season 48 so that we're going to be talking a year from now for season 50? Well, I was told that the, uh, most immunity

[00:21:09] win challenges in one season is five, correct? It is. That's correct. All right. So I'll just have to do six. Yeah. All right. There we go. I should be a shoo-in at that point, you know, and if I don't, maybe I go out early, maybe things don't work out in my favor. Maybe I suck at challenges. Maybe I'm just all talk then. Well, hopefully I'm entertaining enough that, you know, people are going to want to see me fail again. All right. There you have it with David. I am really excited to see what this guy is going

[00:21:33] to bring because he is not letting his lack of knowledge about the show stand in his way of making an impression. He certainly has already made one amongst his castaways. And I think we're in for a really good time. Hopefully a time as sweet as a nice tall glass of chocolate milk. And if that made you all thirsty, I'm going to give you a brief break to go grab yourself something from the fridge before you come back and check out my interview with Camilla.

[00:22:05] All right. We just talked to David. Let's talk to a person that referred to him with the nickname Giga Chad. This is Camilla. Camilla Cartiguesu. Camilla is 31 years old. She is our, I guess, Canadian representation this season, originally from Toronto, but currently lives in Foster City, California. And Camilla is a software engineer and she may self-admittedly be the smallest person

[00:22:34] on this season at five foot one, but do not get it twisted. She has quite the big personality. You can check that out for yourself in my interview with Camilla. Name your age and your occupation. That's simple. Okay. Well, we're going to see how simple it is. That's three whole things. Um, my name is Camilla. I'm 30, almost 31. I'll be 31 a week after filming. Um, and I am a software engineer.

[00:23:02] Interesting. So this is something that you've always wanted to be into computer science. Um, it started off as I played a lot of video games as a child and I wanted to make video games. Um, but then I found out that like regular software engineering is where the money's at, not, not game dev. Although if I won a million dollars, I'd probably quit my job and then try and make a game on my own. It's just, I don't have the time during the day. All my eight hours are spent

[00:23:29] making an app for gamers. Do you have a dream game that you would want to make? Well, I've been playing, I brought my switch with me. Of course. And so I've been playing lots of Stardew Valley and right now my brain is only on farming sim, farming sim, farming sim. But I love games like open world survival crafting sort of stuff or like Valheim was a great game. I'd love to make something like that. Um, which is crazy. It's silly. It's kind of like survivor.

[00:23:56] I was about to say literally open world crafting. If you want to do that, like, so it just seems incredibly, I mean, you could listen there. There's definitely a history of survivor video games. Oh yeah. With no offense. I don't think it's the strongest. So you could be the game changer quite literally. Yeah. I like never put those two together. Like survivor is the only TV show I watch. I don't really watch TV. I don't watch movies. I'd rather be playing games instead if I had to sit

[00:24:21] still for like an hour and a half. Um, but yeah, the games I play are this type of like survival crafting stuff, which it's the one TV show I watch. Yeah. So talk to me about that. What's your history? When'd you start watching the show? Um, I started watching survivor. I think I must've been like nine or so. Um, it was an adult TV show that I wasn't allowed to watch. I was only allowed to watch cartoons when I was younger. Um, but my mom was watching these shows and we just weren't allowed

[00:24:49] to join her until, um, I guess the Amazon. So I started watching like partway through, um, the Amazon. Um, and like I said, it's an adult TV show, maybe like the second or third episode I watch they're at a challenge and endurance challenge and people start stripping for peanut butter. I'm like, Oh God, the one show, the one adult show is going to get ripped away from me. But, but thankfully my mom was okay with it. Continue to watch after that. Um, but I did drop off at a

[00:25:18] certain point because in high school I was like, I'm too cool for TV. I'm only playing video games cause that's cooler. Um, and so I missed a couple of seasons in between. And then my brother pulled me back in. I would, uh, I went away for college and I would come home periodically. And he's like, you need to start watching survivor again. This man is going to like win the entire game. And it was Tony. So I started like any early on, he was like, this dude is going to win the entire thing. And I thought he was talking about Spencer. Cause

[00:25:47] at the time I was like, Oh yeah, Spencer seems like a smart kid. I, and I saw a lot of myself in Spencer. Interesting. Now I don't, but at the time I was like, Oh yes. So logical. Oh my God. That's me. I'm so logical. Yeah. Now after working with a bunch of software engineers, I realize I am not logical. I'm very, very emotional. I am like, interesting. I always thought I was growing up around the people that I was with, I was always the more logical person. And then once I went out

[00:26:13] into the big, the real world, I was like, Oh shit, that's Nope. There are other people that are way more logical and very less emotional than me. Yeah. Interesting. So what made you then decide to be go from, you know, the person watching Tony's antics to hopefully doing some of your own, what brought you out here to be a player? Um, so I guess I, I kind of always wanted to play when I was a kid. Cause as a child, the challenges looked fun. And then when I got older and I saw

[00:26:40] Spencer, I was like this, this like little boy genius made it very far. Interesting. And I was like, I can do that too. Like, I don't have to be emotional. Cause I knew, I knew I thought at the time I wasn't emotional. I'm like, Oh, then I can get away without doing all the emotional social stuff and just play based off of logic. So I wanted to play the game since then. Yeah. But I'm Canadian. So I couldn't apply for the longest time season. I think casting for like season 39 comes around

[00:27:06] and I'm like, Oh, I can finally apply. And I applied and I heard nothing from it. Like that was it. Um, I think it was like at the time, if you were Canadian, you had to send an email with your video and I got like the auto respond and I'm like, Oh my God. But it was just an auto it was like nothing, nothing happened. Um, from that. So glad that that Camilla did not make it a survivor. Cause that was the Camilla who thought she was very logical and it's just a brain, brain, brain, brain, no emotion. So glad that she's gone. And now she, now she's in front of us

[00:27:34] a form more fully realized. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was like five, maybe five, six years ago. Yeah. So then looking back on survivor history, I mean, you mentioned Spencer, if I were to give you a winner and a non-winner who you identify with the most, would he fall into that non-winner category for you? Or is that again, sort of a thing of the past? I think that's a thing of the past. Yeah. So then who is it for the version of Camilla now? Non-winner? Yeah. We can do a winner and not winner. Okay. So winner, I think Erica, and that's just based off of what we were born with

[00:28:03] and what we've given, like we're given. And in what country you were born in. And also, also I guess that, but it's just like, we're the short, like we're, we're like, we're over 30, but we kind of are a bit childish. Um, the way, the way I speak is not very intelligent. I don't have a large vocabulary. I sound stupid when I talk, my sentences are very short. Um, and so I'm very like unthreatening people usually underestimate me. And I think that's kind of what Erica talked about in

[00:28:32] the beginning, which she was just like, even at my job, you know, like no one listens to me. I'm like a 30 something year old and I'm very senior, but like I walk into a room and like, I don't get like the, the respect I deserve. Cause she's like, you know, short, very childish face. And like, that's kind of the stuff that I deal with too, but also like, okay, it's not that great in the real world, but in a game like survivor, that is, that is a great thing to have. Like, yeah, I can run around and do shit. And like, people don't think I'm threatening. I'm very unassuming. I can get away

[00:29:01] with shit. People won't think it's me. Yeah. What about a non-winner? Non-winner, non-winner, non-winner, non-winner. Carolyn. Okay. Okay. Because she like was just completely herself out there. Absolutely. I, I have become to realize that is like kind of what, like my strongest friendships are the one

[00:29:27] where the ones where I'm extremely open and not the ones where I'm like censoring myself. And like, that's when I feel the best. And so I want to come out here and just like be myself, be the odd individual that I am. Um, and like Jeff says it all the time. Like he's like, did Carolyn kind of like give you permission to do this? And honestly she kind of did. Cause like when I watched her, when I initially saw her, I was like, Oh, this lady is like crazy, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in all of her confessionals, the way she like laid out what was happening, I was like,

[00:29:57] this is my exact thought process. Am I the crazy lady or are we both just normal? And that's what it is. Like we were both just like maybe not normal in the sense of like normie people, but we're both like odd and that's like, okay. And that's like fine. It's the world that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite moment in survivor history? Is it around any of those people you were talking

[00:30:20] about? Uh, favorite moment in survivor history, man, that's a tough one. If you have a few, you can also pick those as well. They're just like tiny, stupid things that are coming to my head. Of course. Like Natalie Anderson, trying to like mock someone on that challenge where she like,

[00:30:47] I think Keith spat out or someone spat out and she spat it, like just came back and hit her on her chest. I feel like sometimes that could, that could kind of be me trying to be like, yes, look, I'm one of the boys too. And it's just like Camilla, you're five, one, your voice has not dropped. It just never dropped. It's still super high. You're not going to be one of the boys. Oh my God. What has been your preparation for this experience in terms of physical, strategic,

[00:31:12] mental, et cetera? Um, strategic has been a lot of just like watching the game, watching, um, the more recent seasons over, even though I've already seen them just to see things that I might have missed on the first watch physical. My husband's been dragging me to the gym like every single day and I hate it. I could see just the joy in your eyes. Yeah. Saying that, but I got muscles now. I got muscles now. So like, I think, well, initially I hated it and I still hate like the

[00:31:40] running and swimming parts, but I found out I like lifting so that I hope will continue when I go back home. Um, and then for like survival stuff, that's been a little tricky because I live in a place where you can't make fires, California. Yeah. I think that's a big problem. So I definitely haven't been, uh, running out at night and going somewhere like a beach and maybe making fire at night. Definitely

[00:32:09] haven't done that. I have not done that for any law enforcement individuals that are listening. That would be breaking the law. And I am not, I'm not a citizen, but I am a permanent resident that doesn't break the law. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What would you say is one life experience that has prepared you the most for not building fires on the beach at night? Um, for this, like for the game, for the game. Yeah. Um,

[00:32:34] I think it's just like failing at like the continuously failing to get to where I want in my career. And like, I would kind of consider where I am right now a failure because little girl Camilla wanted to be a game developer. She's not right now because she's sidetracked. And like the end goal is to still be a game developer. I just need to like set myself up better to do that. But like, I failed every step of the way. I didn't get into the right college

[00:33:01] program. Um, I got into an alternate because I was like too stupid to get into the right program. I'm not like a software engineer. I didn't go to school for that. And then I was like, okay, first year I'm going to transfer into software engineering. Um, and then again, too stupid for that. Um, I was like, okay, maybe I can find some internships if I just like try and teach it to myself. And I did, but I failed to convert any of those to like full-time jobs. Um, and then like everyone in

[00:33:27] college, not everyone, all the boys who studied computer science and software engineering told me there's no point in trying. You're going to graduate with an industrial engineering degree. Like don't bother. You're not going to become a software engineer. Like you just can't. Wow. And so I'm a very spite driven, like spite motivated individual. So I was like, fuck it. I'm going to keep going. Um, didn't get the job I wanted initially. Um, but somehow

[00:33:54] a company took a chance on me when I was very underqualified here I am. And I've been like at this place for six years and it's been great, but I do. I mean, it's game adjacent, not game dev, but no. And I think there's also this ability of, you know, it happens with a select few, but not everything is going to go perfectly for you in survivor. And I think having your mind kind of conditioned to almost the inevitability of that and more so focused on how do you recover? Yeah. That is a really healthy perspective. Yeah. I guess like every time I failed,

[00:34:23] I didn't let myself like stop and mourn about it. I was just like, okay, what's next? Like, I still want to get there. What given where I am now, what can I do to still get there and still be successful? And I think like, that's what I need for survivor. So what would you say on that note is your biggest superpower and your biggest piece of kryptonite when it comes to this game? Um, I'll start with kryptonite cause that one's easy. I'm very impatient. Okay. Like extremely. Well, good news. It's a 26 day game. Yeah. But like,

[00:34:53] fuck that one's going to be hard to like keep it to myself and not, not explode on my tribe mates. Um, that could be a little difficult. Are you talking like, you know, someone's taking too slow to do something? Are you talking like you found an idol and you want to tell somebody where does that impatience come in? Um, it's usually like other people are too slow. Um, it's even, it's horrible, but like, I find that people like talk too slow most of the times, which is why I don't watch any

[00:35:20] like videos. I don't listen to podcasts about survivor. I just read all the transcripts because I'm like, I can't, this is too slow. Just let me read it faster. Like I'm very impatient. And so it could be like, if you know, we're trying to figure out who to vote and someone is just like, needs more like help getting to the point that can be a little frustrating for me. So that might be a little difficult. Are you gonna be one of these people at tribal council that's like, Jeff, can we vote? I might be. I might be. I'm just like, this is too much talking.

[00:35:50] People are starting to say things that I don't want them to be saying. Some people don't know how to like shut their mouths and they're saying too much to Jeff right now. We need to vote. I mean, listen, there's precedent for it. So what about your superpower? Superpower, I think is like the being underestimated. Cause I looked around at everyone here. I am definitely the shortest person here. All my Uber drivers are like, are you coming out of school? Are you coming home from school? I'm like, I'm not, I'm, I'm about to be 31. I am old.

[00:36:21] Um, Oh God. I said old on a record. That's horrible. I mean, I listen, age is a construct. Older perhaps. Yeah. Older. Yeah. We're all, we're all day older. We're all day wiser. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that will be my superpower. I mean, it's like a double-edged sword. It could be like, people think I'm like, you know, there's not much going on here. Um, maybe like I'm not threatening. Maybe like that hurts me in the end, but I am confident in my

[00:36:50] abilities to talk my way out of things. Um, so I think it's a superpower and not the other. Well, let's talk about your competition. The ones that you were quite literally sizing up. Uh, so I'm sure you have some thoughts about these people sitting around with them. Let's start on the positive side of things who describes some people to me who like day one, it's the best case scenario. You hit the beach with them. This is someone you want to work with as long as you can. Um, there's this tall girl. Um, when I first saw her, she had curly hair, but she's been tying

[00:37:20] it back a lot. She has the, like, if she told me to jump off a cliff, I would jump off a cliff for her. Like she could tell me to do anything and I would do anything for her, her eyes, her smile, everything it is about her. It's very dangerous, but I would want to keep her around with me because other people would be like, Oh, she's dangerous. Not me. Um, so I would love to like get to know her, work with her. Um, there is, we have, so there are three Chad's

[00:37:48] that they found. Um, and out of the three of them, they actually found a giga Chad himself. And he is here on this beach. The dude's biceps are like the size of my thighs. He's got like the jaw, like the face is just like, he's, I, I want him to be on my tribe so that he can Jonathan Young us through all the swimming challenges. Cause I'm not a strong swimmer. I just want to be tossed through the Pacific ocean. And I hope he could do that for us.

[00:38:16] So then on the other side of things, who are some people that you're, you're not vibing with, or you're not picking up signals from at all. Even a bearded individual with the initials SD. I don't, I don't trust this guy at all. His eyes kind of scare me. Cause like, you know, some, I don't know what it is, but like when I look at him sometimes there's too much eye, like white in the eyes, you know, like the, the irises are like small and that's a little

[00:38:41] scary look. So I don't like that, but he's giving me like Tony vibes. And so I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to play with that. I want to get that out of here. Well, you mentioned Tony. I'm intrigued. Obviously idols, advantages, journeys, the DNA of the new era. Yeah. How much are you incorporating that into your own game? Um, it, it really depends. So if I'm stuck on a tribe, like if I ended up being on the next Lulu,

[00:39:05] the next Yanu, I'm not going for beware advantages and stuff like that. Like my vote is very important. I'm going to play a bit more conservative and like rely on like social stuff to try and get me through the game. But if we have gigachad on my tribe, then I will open a beware advantage. I'll risk my vote. I'll do all that stuff. Cause I'm like, we're probably not going to go to tribal council if we have him. Yeah. Um, I hope so. Unless he ends up like Q then I don't know.

[00:39:31] That's very true. Very true. What would you say is your hottest survivor take? What's your most like controversial opinion on his player, a season, et cetera? I'm sorry, Jeff. That's, this is always a good disclaimer for what you're about to say. Boston Rob. He had to, he won on his what? Like six, fourth time. Fourth time. It's, it feels like six because we see his face so often. I just, I just wasn't a fan of him in any of his seasons at all.

[00:39:59] And like, okay, sorry. Sorry again, Jeff. Sorry, Boston Rob, but he won on redemption Island when like no one knew how to play survivor. He just told people what to do and no one tried to like fight it. So like it's not put him on any other season. He wouldn't have won. Is he not on the round Mount Rushmore in your opinion? Nope. Interesting. Yeah. Boston Rob is like a censored word amongst me and my friends. We have to asterisk like one of the

[00:40:25] vowels for, for me. Oh, for my sanity. Yeah. Uh, so when it comes to a celebrity loved one, if you could pick a fictional character or a star to bring out here for a loved one's visit, who would it be and why? So whenever I have to ask this, uh, answer this question in like my real life, I always say Jeff probes. I mean, listen, it'd be a very easy thing to do. It's just Jeff

[00:40:50] take two steps to your left. I mean, I don't, I don't really watch TV or movies. Like I don't know celebrities. I mean, the only other person would be a video game character and that's Brimstone from Valorant. Okay. He's got, he's got big muscles. Yeah. I know that you, you, you've like played Valorant like semi-professional. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. And it's just, you want the, you want to, I just want to, that's why giga chat is stuck in my head is cause I want to look like them. I want to have big muscles after I started lifting. Like

[00:41:20] that's my goal. I want to look like that. Interesting. Well, we speak about the new era when it comes to the past two seasons, I feel like, you know, the show has definitely kind of taken a step. What's sort of your biggest takeaway, especially knowing that you were coming out here from watching, as you said, binging through these past couple seasons in particular that you plan to incorporate into your own game? I don't want, I don't want no like Reba strong, tribe strong stuff. Like that to me is very boring gameplay. And like, as a fan, it's not fun to

[00:41:49] watch. Yeah. I want to be on a season that like, I can rewatch 20 years from now and be like, yeah, this was like an actual fun season to watch. Yeah. Um, and so like, I don't, I don't want like any of this like tribe strong thing. I want like, I want it to be very, what's the word? Fluid. Fluid. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Like I don't want there to be like very strict alliances.

[00:42:12] Um, and I, I hope from like the little talk Jeff gave us earlier, it sounded like we have a bunch of people who are here and they want to play. And when I think of people who want to play, I think of people who want to like have an alliance with everyone kind of thing. Like they want to have a bunch of options. And if everyone has a bunch of options, that means the game is open to be fluid. Um, and so I also want to have a bunch of options. I just, yeah, I'm hoping that that's how the game

[00:42:40] pans out. And if it doesn't, I guess rebar or whatever my tribe is strong. Yeah. Go, go with the numbers that way. Yeah. Yeah. Until you become the numbers. Yeah. Last thing I want to ask, obviously we know survivor 50, all returnees. How are you going to make your mark on this season so that we're going to be talking a year from now for survivor 50? I need to make big, well, maybe I don't need a big, big moves. I need to make smart moves. Hmm. That very good distinction. Yeah. Because big moves get you like people,

[00:43:08] people have big moveitis and then like do it too early. Yeah. Get sent home. But like, it's fun to watch. You remember those people. You remember Jesse, you remember Carla, um, from their season. And so I guess timing is a big thing, but also like trying this one might get me sent home. I want to try and see if I can like force, not like forcefully force, but like subliminally

[00:43:33] force a fluid game, like, like get other people on board with this idea. Yeah. Cause then, then there's a lot of opportunity to like make really insane plays. Um, you want to liquefy survivor right now. You have heat vision and you're going to try to melt all the solid voting blocks. It's just going to be all fluid. And there you have it. My interviews today with Camilla, the woman that wants to subliminally force a fluid season amongst her castmates and David,

[00:44:01] the guy that mixes a bunch of chocolate into his preferred fluids and downs it to build all that muscle mass that he has to very different members of the Siva tribe that I for one am incredibly intrigued to see how they are going to interact, but we are not done yet. Tomorrow. We have reached the end of this preseason interview series. We'll round up this tribe and the entire cast in my interviews with

[00:44:31] Kyle and Mitch. You will not want to miss those. So be sure to be subscribed. We know survivor.com for the podcast version. And Rob has a website.com slash YouTube for the video version. Thank you all as always so much for listening for your support throughout this entire process. I cannot believe we are almost at the end here, but we have two more interviews to get to before we even think about that until then, everybody take care. Bye-bye.