Survivor 48 B&B Finale with Omar Zaheer and Special Guest

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[00:00:59] Hi everybody and welcome back to the RHA-P B&B for the finale of Survivor 48. My name is Mike Bloom. Another season has come to a close and we are here to bring it all together. A not so secret duo joined by a third member, our own final three if you will, to give the final word on Survivor 48.

[00:01:28] Of course, I'm going to be drinking my water at a right angle at all times, Liana Boris, to present as my most masculine self. Of course. This is an empty Pepsi can. I will say it did help me after David brought that up. I was like, how do I drink liquids? Like I started all of a sudden being like, where do I hold my arm? I don't know. I got too into my own head. But no, look, it was a weird finale. The season is over. I'm happy.

[00:01:58] I think that it's over. They could get into all of the minutia of exactly what happened. But, you know, it was a season of Survivor and we talked about it and we're going to talk about the finale. Omar Zaheer. So excited to have you back as per usual here on the BNB. How are you doing right now? Feeling as empty as that Pepsi can after a new season of Survivor has come to an end? Knock, knock. Who's there? I can't be like that. I can't do it. I can't.

[00:02:27] I don't want to debray out things too much, but I have been thinking nonstop about this exchange. Honestly, with no offense to the other final five, more than really anything out of this three hour extravaganza that we experienced on Wednesday, because like clearly it's him trying to like give up the guys. Right. I'm like, I've been stonewalling you the entire time, but it's been a stonewall that's been made out of Play-Doh. You know, I'm soft and cushy, but it's framed in a way.

[00:02:56] Yeah, I'm an actual joke. That's knock, knock. Who's there? Not me. And then he moves on like he really is. Break down the fundamental semantics of the joke. It makes no sense. First off, is it is it supposed to be sort of like a double joke of like you knock on the door and someone says nobody's here. It's like, well, you of course you're clearly here. Otherwise, you wouldn't say that nobody's here because there's there's no punchline.

[00:03:26] Knock, knock. Who's there? Not me. Is it the implication that if you're knocking at the door, you're bitter? You're a bitter juror. Is that what he's saying? OK, wait, no, we have to finish the joke, though. Right. Because it's OK. Knock, knock. Knock, knock. Who's there? Who's there? Not me. Not me. Not me who? Not me standing up when Mary got voted out. Yeah, like that's we just didn't even finish it. I guess that's the end of the joke.

[00:03:54] Not me being a bitter juror. Yes. Yes, they was right there. You're right. You know what? I never thought too deeply about it, but you're totally right. He also like really stole the show from a jury standpoint. The last few weeks, he took the reins while Cedric fell back and and went purple. That's how you stand up as a juror. And you know what?

[00:04:17] I'm embarrassed to admit it took longer than it should have for me to get your standup comedy tweet, which was so good. And by too long, I mean days. I went back to that and I was like, oh. Yeah, I'm dumb as hell. No, listen, I was a better late than never when it comes to realizing the stupid punchlines that I put out there.

[00:04:41] I will say, though, MVP of this final tribal council, as much as David's non joke joke, non knock knock joke joke, I should say, kept me up for endless hours at night. The MVP of this final tribal council by and large is Chrissy. Who put a nickel in her because she was on one and it made me so happy. You know, I think that clearly Kyle and Eva wanted these face crack of the centuries when they got to reveal their jobs, when they got to reveal all these moves that they made.

[00:05:09] Really, nobody was giving them anything except for Chrissy. And she was almost like overcompensating for the lack of reaction from everyone else. She's like, whoa. She literally did the mind blown gesture like she's freaking Eric Wehrheim in that one meme, Liana. Sarcasm was sarcasm. Oh, maybe. But that's the thing. This but Chrissy was like this. Like she was so purple throughout the season that we forget who she like really is at her core because the few episodes that we started to see Chrissy pop off.

[00:05:40] Chrissy was like just giving it to him straight. Like, yeah, you know, we're going to lie to each other and we're going to pretend like we're all best friends. And it's like, Chrissy, shut up. Don't say that. So it just felt like a continuation of the Chrissy that we knew for, I don't know, like an episode or two. But I think because we never really got to know her and then we had the big gap where she had to be silent on the jury. We just like forgot that she was this really crazy, kooky character.

[00:06:04] Yeah, Omar, I love the call and response sort of Eva being like, hey, guess what I do for a living? Everyone's like, and Chris is like, oh, I know you don't actually play hockey on the board team. Like Chrissy, again, I'm so appreciative of your commitment and your ability to follow people. Why on earth would she lie about that? But also like that's the big reveal too.

[00:06:32] Yeah, that would have been a bigger reveal. You know what? Eva should have taken that moment to pivot, pivot, pivot. Yeah. Like on Friends, go for the lie that you were on the women's team because, you know, the PhD thing fell flat after that, you know? Honestly, it kind of did though. I felt so bad for her because it's like, it's again, we're going back to this like standup comedy routine. Well, it's like you practice your bit.

[00:06:57] You had a really great reception one night and then the next night you go to another venue and it just bombs. Do you have standup experience? No, but I mean, like I'm familiar with the concept of how standup works. Okay. Oh, I don't know if you know this. To your point, Leona, because it seemed like she sort of tried it out in the room, right? Like she sat down with Joe and Kyle and is like, oh, I've got this great routine where I'm actually a PhD student. They're like, yeah. What?

[00:07:25] And then she's like, oh, this is going to kill on the jury. And it was just, I don't know, it was a cold room. Maybe that was a Chris Doherty. Yeah, David's knockdown joke was just really left him cold at the warm up at. Maybe Kyle and probably not Joe, but maybe Kyle did build up Eva so that she would do the same thing. Like when Chris was like, you better tell the jury to go fuck themselves when Chris did that to Twyla. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:49] Or maybe she should have pivoted from the PhD to be like, no, I am on the men's hockey team, but I do stand up comedy on the side. Like that. That would be impressive. And David, your joke structure is terrible. And you know what? Colton's not even on the jury, so he won't judge it. You know, like you have to have the right audience. Yeah, exactly. Well, let's get into what this finale provided. And honestly, I'm not even saying that I'm like trying to wrap my head around it.

[00:08:17] You know, I think I was certainly part of the throng that was trying to come to the reasonable conclusion and set of circumstances that would culminate in Kyle winning specifically over Joe. So it's not to say that I was like completely shocked and bum puzzled like it, like maybe some certain fans were. But I'm still kind of trying to figure out my viewing experience with this season, which I have to say is probably the biggest roller coaster I've experienced from a new era. POV.

[00:08:45] Well, because when I'm following it sort of as from a fan view alongside this community, the first half, you know, people were riding the high of it saying, oh, my God, is it? This is the best premerge of the new era. Maybe one of the best premerges in recent memory. We love this cast. This Joe and Eva moment is one of the best moments of all time. Absolutely incredible. Can't wait to see what happens next. The postmerge starts happening and then it becomes. Is this the worst season in the new era? This is the worst season of all time.

[00:09:12] But then at the same time, there was this like kind of confounding yet intriguingly complex juggling of all these winner picks of like I've seen at some point all four of, you know, out of the final five essentially get thrown out as, oh, this person is definitely winning because of X, Y, Z, which we typically don't get out in a survivor season. And then towards the end, I was seeing conversations along the line of like, OK, when Joe wins, do we think he's a better winner than D?

[00:09:40] Do you think he's the best player in the new era? And lo and behold, that Joe does not win. He gets a vote. Thank you, Cedric, for once again bringing that last dose of chaos. We love it. So it's just been such an intriguing season to follow alongside everybody else in real time because. It never necessarily felt like something that we could really pin down in terms of quality as well as outcome. That's a good point.

[00:10:10] And I think that I previously I felt like my metrics for some people's metrics of what a good season is, is partly related to the winner. And I agree, but in a different way than most people. Like, for instance, I think that Gabler winning Survivor 43 Diggler. Sorry, my bad. Yes, thank you. I think that Diggler winning Survivor 43 actually made the season better because it was so unexpected. There was so much to talk about. And it was I never thought that going into the finale that that was possible.

[00:10:39] And I like an unexpected winner or something that happens. I don't like a steamroll. I think it's boring. And I also don't like a season where it's very obvious one person will win. And so I thought when we come to an endgame where I agree, Mike, there were several viable winner candidates from an edit and game perspective. But it kind of fell flat for me still.

[00:11:03] And I wonder if the reason for that is because of the game structure to some extent, because there was this that, you know, the with a fire final for fire making. It really did not make that much sense for any of these people to turn on each other when they can all just go to the fire. They all have a decent chance to win or so they think. And it's like, let's just battle it out and not betray anyone and stick to the stick to the plan.

[00:11:29] And so I think that that like lost a lot of the intrigue, even for somebody like Mitch, who's not making a move. He could just get through one more tribal council and maybe win fire and go to the end. Like he doesn't actually have to position himself towards the top. And so there's not this competitive like fighting for the last little morsel of food amongst these street dogs. You know, they they they have plenty of food.

[00:11:56] So but I mean, they also cast people that wanted to do that anyway. You know what I mean? Like I went back and I read through some of the with the notes I had taken from Mike's preseason interviews. And there's a number of people who say, like, I want to build like Joe, I want to build a loyal group and go to the end. Like Eva talks about wanting to do that. So it's like, oh, OK, well. Then that makes sense. Also, like outside of just the game structure, not only does the game structure incentivize that,

[00:12:24] but also that was their plan all along anyway, or at least a subset of them. Right. So part of the actually that's a really good point, because I think also when we look at any sort of human learning and behavior and interactions, we always take in information, we take in feedback and then we redirect unless you're a sociopath. So you have the ability to kind of course correct, even when you're learning how to play a video game, learning your job, whatever it may be.

[00:12:53] And people watching Survivor, it's kind of the same thing. You're learning through a model of how to win. And people are always going to take what they learn from the most recent seasons as the lessons to move forward. So you have and that's why I think sometimes the gameplay is a bit cyclical, even if it advances like you go through your period of Ghost Island. People watch that and they're like, I am not going to end up in that spot that Donathan and Laurel were in.

[00:13:20] But now then you have Edge of Extinction, which is like completely crazy. Nobody can like make a move like everybody's turning on each other. Nobody's loyal to any group. And then you take that and you're like, OK, well, in a group of chaos, the thing that will work the best is some sort of structure that sticks together. And that's even gearing up for, you know, a potential 50 situation like you have to watch with a different lens. And going into 42, like there was no pandemic season.

[00:13:50] So there was nothing to kind of learn from in that period of time. But here you have to think, like, is it best to kind of stick with like a group when it's so chaotic? Like you have in season 47, everybody's an individual mercenary kind of going at each other. There's nothing that's consistent and there's no stability. So in that, I think that when you have a serious cycle of really chaos, then it'll have something like this.

[00:14:16] And then this will kick off for people watching who are going to go film 50, 51, 52. And that will affect how they play the game. And I think it'll go back and forth. I could not agree more. I mean, look at something like 47, which had a lot of elements of, again, to your point, ever shifting power. And part of that might come from the cast and their gamesmanship. But a part of it might come from the fact that the last full season they saw was 45.

[00:14:43] 45, where one dominant tribe alliance steamrolled their way basically through the entire game. And it's like, OK, we're on the lookout for any rebuffors that might be happening. Hey, what was it? Like the Tikus or whatever they were, the blue tribe. Like, hey, we're going to take you three out because you three are too close. We don't want to see that happen. 48. I mean, Kyle literally said it when he played his idol. You know, one of the only idols played this season was like, I don't want it to be Survivor 46.

[00:15:10] Survivor 46, there was so much talk in the past few days, right, about what Camilla was doing for Kyle, vouching for him on the jury, really setting him up for success and being like, ah, Maria could never. And yeah, I think a lot of especially these people kind of locking in with each other may have stemmed from the fact that so much of 46 meta was about people just turning on each other in an instant for let's face it, really no good reason. So I totally agree with you, Omer.

[00:15:37] I really think that when people go out to film a season, it is almost always a reflection of what they just saw. What will further compound the intrigue behind 50 to your point is that now you also have people who have played their own seasons beforehand. They are not necessarily facing this tabula rasa. I've never played Survivor before, so all I can go off on is what I just saw. Now it's like, OK, I know how to play Survivor from a reasonable perspective. It got me so far.

[00:16:04] And also, I see what some of these other people have been doing recently. How do I incorporate that into whatever I've learned out there? Of the season they played is I think everyone too. And I think that seasons like Survivor 48 are like a little palate cleanser that you do kind of need in the grander scheme of things. If every season is going to be a bunch of people that have very fluid dynamics, voting blocks that never stick together.

[00:16:33] I actually think that 47 was the perfect balance of that where people had some relationships that they were tied to, but there was also fluid gameplay. Whereas what's another season that was not like that? That was more. Like like Edge of Extinction. Well, nobody really stuck together on that one, but I don't know. I feel like when there's too many people that don't have any solid relationships, it's hard to follow the storyline. But when there are some smaller groups that stick together, I find that to be the most interesting.

[00:17:01] But also, if we don't get stuff like this, then we don't see a further evolution. So I think at some point, we do need to also be thankful for what we have. And that's a reflection. Like I think that people did not like Gabon because it was preceded by fans versus favorites. If that had been preceded by a season that sucked, people would have loved Gabon a lot more. And I loved Gabon a lot. But I think that that's true as well. I mean, that is one of the biggest indicators of performance is actually who goes before you.

[00:17:31] Like you always do those direct comparisons. And I think for 48, I think also what it does is, is to me, it also reaffirms how critical it is with the starting input material for a season of Survivor. I love how clinical, I mean, I'm talking, you know, two out and out science brains here. So I absolutely love how we're getting down to the ones and zeros. Well, but like, that's the thing. I mean, you're running these, like, think about it. You're like running these simulations over and over and over again.

[00:17:58] And obviously you're changing the black box of like what the simulation is, but you're also putting in different inputs every single time. And so you get to see the, like the consequences of, oh, you can still in the new era of Survivor, if you cast old school feeling people, you can get kind of an old school season, right? Like that the actual structure of Survivor does obviously incentivize or de-incentivize certain types of behavior. But it really does depend on those 18, 20, 24 people you might cast. You know what I mean?

[00:18:28] Yeah. And people, people who are gagging for old school Survivor, did you like it? I mean, what I would say is that I think when we sort of typify old school Survivor, I think very understandably people are more so referring to like structural elements.

[00:18:42] Like, give me two tribes, give me 39 days, give me cultural visits, you know, that type of stuff rather than like, yeah, you know, we really need moralizing grandstanding dominating alliances to, you know, essentially put a stranglehold on the strategy towards the end of the season. Now, all that being said, I will say the final Tribal Council honestly might have been one of my highlights of the post-merge.

[00:19:06] And granted, I think for some people that might be a low bar, but I think I was really, really invested in it. Now, maybe it's because, again, there was still part of me that's like, yeah, I think there's a lot of narrative rolling in Joe's direction. You know, he still basically got his way through these last couple of votes, got Camilla off the board. And I was quite surprised to not only see that like Joe gets a much quieter role in the final Tribal Council according to what we saw,

[00:19:33] but it ends up leading to, again, someone who we were told multiple times, if he makes it to the end, he wins. That not necessarily being a true statement. I mean, I'm sure there will be more stuff that comes out through various press from all these jury members, especially. But Liana, give me your temperature right now. Why do you think, with no offense to Eva, who I think did a really, really great job,

[00:19:59] I think one of the better non-winning, you know, final Tribal Council performances we've seen in the new era. But considering the Joe Mentum going into this finale, do we think he always came in with a losing hand? Or was this something that was truly fumbled on the one yard line? Well, that's what I'm saying. I have no idea. Right. And that's like part of the reason why I do have a there's a certain sense of frustration that like I am. I'm OK with things being up in the air and being like, oh, I don't know who's going to win.

[00:20:27] And is it going to be Joe? Could it be Kyle? But I also want to understand why an outcome happened. And so, you know, I do see a lot of people advocating for, oh, well, Kyle had like a really baller final Tribal Council. And Joe, I don't know, said three words. So like, OK, then maybe that's what it was. Right. I mean, that's I think what the show is trying to tell me, that Joe fumbled final Tribal Council and that Kyle really nailed it. And also had the help of Camilla, like a proud soccer mom trying to like help him out there.

[00:20:54] I was thinking of Amy Poehler and Mean Girls dancing to Jigalowell Rock in the aisle. You girls gave me bang, Kyle, a condom. Yeah, like that's kind of what I was feeling from Camilla. So I think that that's the story that I'm being told. So I'm going to guess that that's what happened. But I think I still was. But that's the thing. I still have a lot of question marks. Right. Because then we also saw him fumbling Mary with or like Mary's jury vote where, you know, Mary's going to go home.

[00:21:23] And she's like, yeah, he's just pandering for my jury vote. I hate this. So clearly, Joe, to only get one vote from Cedric, there must have been fumbles along the way. Like there's no way he walked into Tribal Council and then just lost like every single vote to Kyle. I don't know. Those are obviously the only two options that could happen. So we've seen moments where he fumbled it before, but maybe we didn't see the true story. And now I'm like, well, what if he's on 50? Because I've seen that argument. That's why Joe got such a good edit. I don't know. Also, I mean, we've seen Cedric has proven he'll just vote for anybody.

[00:21:52] So, oh, my God, I love it. Yeah. But I think, you know, these Tribal Councils, the final Tribal Councils, I guess I only have one to go off of. But I mean, you are in a very key example of how so many votes were allegedly up in the air and got changed over the course of that evening. Yes. But I think that that is more the exception than the norm, I would say. I feel like a lot of times people go in with what they want.

[00:22:17] And even like, you know, three or three or four votes on ours was locked before going into final Tribal. But it's interesting because those final Tribals are so long, at least the ones I heard about, like ours was three hours long. They all talked so much. And so I can't imagine a world in which Joe is not speaking a lot more than they're showing.

[00:22:38] But perhaps it's a situation where maybe he didn't as obviously fumble it as someone like Mike did, where Mike was very much pushing a narrative that did not feel true to what happened. And and whereas Joe, he kind of preached that along the way. But maybe that wasn't really a huge part of his final Tribal or they didn't want to make him look bad or it was presented more from the perspective that Kyle won it as opposed to Joe losing it.

[00:23:02] But I think we got bread crumbed along the way about Joe's honor and integrity not falling the right way. Like if you are loyal to David, then you don't vote him out there. You know, I mean, and I get that. But what's interesting is that we had this sort of like, you know, new jury speak segment that we've been doing since 45, 46. And you have David outright say, if Joe wants my vote, he has to show that he purposely incorporated lying as part of his game.

[00:23:29] And we got none of that, both from David's speech, which ended up just turning into, again, a glorified knock knock joke. Hey, good game, guys. Who was the best at challenges? And Joe seemingly not needing to explain to your point, like the possible foibles and hypocrites, hypocritical statements that could come with this idea of like, I want to play an honest, loyal game in a game where you have to deceive and vote people out. Like it felt like such an odd missing part.

[00:23:53] And I talked with Joe about this and Joe, I don't know, he didn't as much as I love him, he didn't provide a lot of concrete information as to like if that piece of information came up and how and why. So, yeah, as you mentioned, it didn't seem like there was even necessarily a moment where it's like, aha, Joe, we got you in your trap. You did the one thing you weren't supposed to do and we're not going to vote for you. Eva told me that her and Joe were expecting the votes to be tied between Kyle and Eva and that Joe would break the ties.

[00:24:21] So I'm still not entirely sure what the expectation of what we're going to be coming from the final three. Yeah, that's wild. What? I don't understand. There's so much I don't understand.

[00:24:33] I mean, the argument for it is that, you know, Eva, he was presented in a particular way that was maybe sometimes, you know, in terms of gameplay, frustrating to watch because it was so locked in and to the point of being like, Mary, you know, no matter what you do, there's nothing you can do about it, etc., etc.

[00:24:54] But like if you look at the gameplay of the majority alliance, some could argue that Eva played the best in that group because Eva's position was this is the group that I want to go to the end with. Yep. Every all of them were the most loyal to her to some extent, like nobody even thought about voting her out at any point in time and she was getting everything she wanted. And I mean, that is an argument to win. And she was she doing the honor integrity stuff like Joe was?

[00:25:20] I'm not sure. But I could see an argument for it for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe a more like I just tell it like it is kind of energy that came from her. I mean, that's what Mary had said. And I would imagine as a large contributor as to why she ended up voting for is that they actually had a very tight relationship. And especially compared to what you mentioned before about Joe clearly sitting Mary down with ulterior motives.

[00:25:45] Mary actually did respect Eva really just telling her straight to her face like, yeah, I'm going to try my best, but it's not looking good because it's like, all right, at least I know where I can position myself. Now, you know, don't try to sell me a bill of goods like the Monica Culpepper, where they're all like flip to us. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe talk to me the right way and then don't like that's annoying. So I get that. Well, and I think also Star had said in some interviews somewhere that she was like, yeah, my jury vote went to the person who I thought was the most loyal.

[00:26:13] And that person ends up being Eva. Right. So I think that and that's the other thing, too, with Eva's sneaking out in the night advantage. She immediately came to the alliance and was like, yep, here's every single thing that happened, which I think is another way that you can demonstrate with your actions that you're loyal. So like maybe that was also part of the the conundrum is that Eva had more opportunities to show with her actions that she was like living up to the loyal loyal thing. Whereas like Joe didn't really have that.

[00:26:43] It's kind of like top chef or something like they are master chef, like they all are like, let me present a meal to you. And Eva went for something that was like a simple classic, like scrambled eggs, but she like really nailed it. Joe was going for like a filet mignon, but burned it, you know, like that. Yeah, well, I think Eva was also able to again and also make sense, given the fact that she clearly has experience in presenting some sort of thesis or dissertation.

[00:27:09] She was able to couch a lot of her game in this idea of intentionality, where I think she certainly came in and she talked about how she purposely was kind of steering into the curb going to the post merge of like, I'm just Joe's plus one. Here I am the jock girl, me no do math to like really again, have herself be underestimated in the eyes of people.

[00:27:28] But the fact is that she was able to get through and was able to vocalize like I have some social weaknesses due to my autism that I was able to incorporate to my advantage, where, as you mentioned, Liana, like, yeah, I was upfront and honest to people. And it gained me a certain respect as opposed to people lying to their face that works with this particular group, whether it is the fact that she had all these advantages, both hidden and otherwise, that she ended up not needing to play.

[00:27:54] Well, on the one hand, you can make the Xander argument of like, well, that's because no one really cared to get rid of you as a threat. You could also say, like, I still have this. And it arguably put the biggest, you know, had the most glaring neon sign pointing at me. But hey, you still didn't get rid of me. And that's your folly.

[00:28:09] And that's what I love about the final tribal council is that one point, one singular moment or credit or demerit to your resume can be argued honestly in either direction, depending on who you are, depending on the people that you're sitting next to, and especially depending on the people that are sitting across from you.

[00:28:27] And I think that, again, Eva brought it was just so again, so interesting that I think we expected Joe to be the one to get the lion's share of the focus just due to the position that he occupied from an editorial perspective. But it really seemed like Eva rested a lot of that focus back and was able to, I think, you know, talk up her game in a way that albeit did not earn her the vast majority of jury votes in the end.

[00:28:51] I also wonder as well, maybe we'll find this out to how much this Shaheen boot slash Camilla and Kyle are secretly working together was as much of a mic drop moment. You know, again, Omer, you got to witness an out and out, you know, atomic bomb get dropped in the form of Marianne revealing that she had an idol that nobody even knew about that. She didn't need to play.

[00:29:14] I don't know if we're if we got one here, if they were trying to sort of manufacture that explosive moment or if it truly was like truly blowing people's minds. The fact that not only were these two working surreptitiously, but they were indeed able to like one up the power couple of the season. Yeah, we kind of saw that a little bit with D as well, where she dropped. Yeah, I played you Austin thing. But I think my experience watching that happen in person was interesting because that tribal council.

[00:29:43] Like it was so long and they kept trying to end it. And we kept being like, we're not ready because Mike was giving bad answers. Romeo was giving OK to good answers. Marianne was giving OK answers. But it was like there was nothing we were waiting for, like somebody to like be like, yes, this is what we need to do. Because I just remember sitting there looking at a few people and being like, I don't know who to vote. I can't. I don't know. I just don't.

[00:30:13] Mike is not giving me what I need to vote for him. I feel like Marianne's giving the energy, but it's not over the line. Like, I don't know. We're missing because there was so much contention about who voted me out. You know, like we were waiting for someone to take proper credit for that and be like, I did this. This is how I did it. But Mike was trying to take credit for it. Marianne was trying to take credit for it. And Jonathan was sitting there being like, it wasn't it. It wasn't it was me, you know. So then it was like it was kind of unclear.

[00:30:42] It was very unclear who it was. So they none of them had this differentiating factor that we saw in the TV narrative that it was her move of me. That was like big. So what we were waiting for and it was like it was almost like she wasn't going to say anything more. And then all of a sudden it was like, oh, by the way, but X, Y, Z, here's an idol. Well, that's why I knew it was fine voting you out and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we were like, were you just not going to say that? Like, it felt like we were running the clock out. And then after that, it was like, OK, I'm good.

[00:31:12] I know it feels right. I'm actually excited to vote for the winner now. It makes sense. And I didn't see that on this final tribal council because it probably was already kind of they already had the information they needed. Maybe I think Eva could have actually won the season if because it sounds like Camilla vouched for Kyle's story at Ponderosa. So they kind of already maybe knew that. So it wasn't a shocking moment. But I think Eva wins the game seeing how close she was.

[00:31:39] If she they let her keep the idol around as the like, you know, non threat or whatever they want to call it. And then at the last second, when it's Mitch, Mitch's funeral, playing it for Mitch, you know, like that. Did you vote for who I told you to vote for? Yes, exactly. Like that. That was the way to show you should not have left this in my hands for so long. Here's my move that nobody else knew about. And who she put there, Kyle? Kyle. Yeah, Kyle. Get him out. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:09] Oh, my God. Oh, that would have been so good, though. Yeah. Missed opportunities. Yeah. Well, I mean, if we talk about like big moments at the final tribal council, I mean, there was the obviously we knew the reveal of the Shaheen vote was coming. And I felt like I was waiting and I was waiting. Oh, so was Camilla. I was waiting. That's the thing with the soccer mom. And Camilla's like, OK, Kyle, like, come on, it's time. Time for you to share. This is a perfect moment. You should do it.

[00:32:37] So even that like big, you know, a quote unquote, like what could have been an explosive reveals didn't feel that way because it felt just like dragged out. And then Camilla, like finally tried to pull it out of Kyle. Yeah. And I guess I wonder, too, it seems like the jury format is a little bit different than it was when I played. Like when we were there, it was like social, strategic, physical. Yeah. Right. When did they stop doing that again? The columns have been smashed. I want to say it was probably around like 45 or 46. Okay.

[00:33:05] Basically, it's now this sort of weird hybrid where everyone kind of gets a chance to speak. But sometimes you're getting addressed individually to ask a question. Sometimes somebody is just sort of like chiming in. I'm sure everyone got the chance to like say something in the real time. To your point, Omer, it's essentially like the length of a Marvel movie at this point. But yeah, I think that now we have sort of done away with any sort of structure, which then, you know, again, begs the question is like, why did you have to get rid of it in the first place?

[00:33:31] But actually, I am happy we have that type of format for moments like this where it's like, okay. Or even like the the idol reveal to where it's like, okay, even if it's not your quote unquote turn to talk, this person can talk per, you know, Robert's rules of order. Or there isn't necessarily any sort of decorum of like, I am the only juror speaking and I am the only one allowed to speak and everyone else on the jury may only refer to it if they are going after me.

[00:33:58] Yeah, I think that this format or like, I think, honestly, I thought our format was the best to actually flesh out who the best winner was because you were talking about each element of the game and it was kind of a free for all. Whereas this is like, it's kind of like the individual jury questions, but it's a little bit less structured. So it doesn't have like the iconic moments that those individual jury things did, but it's too structured to be to get to the bottom of everything. But I don't know. I don't know how I think it's like missing something like a flare at this point.

[00:34:26] I mean, plus you have to set aside time for everyone to do their individual jokes and stand up routine. Imagine if David stood up and walked over to them and said, knock, knock, who's there? Not me. And then like sat back. I mean, he would have loved it. Maybe that's a again, he really just seemed like a person out of old school survivor in that like he felt like he would have, for lack of better term, milked the shit out of the chance to like stand up and nobody could interrupt him.

[00:34:54] And he could just, you know, talk until the cows came home and then gave some milk about whatever he wanted to talk about. Do you think he has one of those lactational T-shirts? What? You don't know about these? Is that to imply that he's giving? He does have four nipples. Well, there is apparently there's shirts that can like put pressure on a particular way to like, you know, to help moms and stuff. I was like, maybe David, you know, he loves milk so much. Yeah. That seems right at Mike Alley, but he's so confused.

[00:35:24] Well, because there's so many aren't there so many references to like when Jeff does like the showcase of the rewards of like, want to know what you're playing for that these items have been out in the hot for Jean son for so long. And they're like, they're not of the best quality. How grody do you think that glass of milk was? Do you think they really went straight from the fridge with that? There? Yeah. Glass of whole milk. I hope so. Here you go, David. Drink up. Maybe that was the ultimate. They probably had a cooler.

[00:35:51] I mean, I there could also be a way of like if they were feeling a certain way about this, man, they could let that thing sit out for the entire three hour period. It was like, here you go, David. If y'all have milk so much, take a big gulp of that. And it's two percent, bitch. Yes. Two percent is way better than homogeneous milk. I don't understand. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't get it either. What kind of milk do you like? I'm a skim girl. Oh, God. I know. I know. White water.

[00:36:21] I know. I know. It might as well be water. Yeah. Well, let's see how watered down our predictions are of these final five players. Liana, as we for the last time crack into what we thought of these people in the preseason. And maybe we'll sort of like a seminate as well. Some are overall thoughts about these. You get five judgments. You get five judgments. What a mistake. A lot of power. What's this score going into it?

[00:36:51] I need to know. All right. Well, let us start with Mitch, our fifth place finisher here. He of the aforementioned Mitch's funeral. Liana, Mitch obviously comes in with a massive story. How did you think his story on the island would end? Yes. So I had Mitch making the jury. I said that Mitch's personal story helps him to create bonds with the majority of his tribe,

[00:37:16] especially Charity and his schoolyard game skills help Siva crush in the challenges. Come merge, however, Siva with all six players is looking like a juicy target for the remaining Loggie and Vula's. After many discussions, Charity agrees to give up Mitch to appease her case C squared K squared, which is the alliance of Charity, Chrissy, Kyle and Camilla. I hate that. Leave it alone. To minimize their threat level.

[00:37:46] We get several amazing personal Mitch segments throughout the pre-jury, causing many people Oh, personal Mitch segments. PMS. We love a PMS. Causing many people to suspect him as a winner candidate before he's brutally eliminated as the first juror. His ally was Charity. His enemy was Charity. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Let's hear mics, I guess. Well, I had Mitch not climbing as high on the proverbial rope here.

[00:38:16] I had Mitch going out pre-jury, actually, but in a little bit of a similar shocking way to Liana. I wrote after breaking the ice on his stutter on day one, and Mitch is happy to speak freely on Siva. He makes an instant connection with Charity. And also this can't be real. Like this happens far too often. To be fair, he did say that the person he was vibing with in the preseason was Charity. Oh, correct. And there was a promo where Jeff talked about pairs are going to dominate the season, and Mitch and Charity was one of the pairs that was shown.

[00:38:46] Oh, I see. So much for that one. But that, let's see. Oh, he also tries to get in good with the buff men sharing the same color buff in Kyle and David. While David will be regarded much more as a challenge beast of his tribe, the fandom will give plenty of attention to Mitch, whose experience handling gym equipment for countless hours has made these end of challenge hand-eye coordination tasks just like going to work. What the f- how does this- this happens all the time with you two?

[00:39:14] And in- and you expect me to believe it's just a random chance. Or your clairvoyance. My preseason, like, prep is listening to Mike's interviews that Mike was there for. So we both have like the same- As a person who was there for one- I don't recall reading he was going to be good at carnival games, but nevertheless, continue. Uh, somehow the survivor gods grant clemency to the ill-fated Vula tribe and Siva goes to tribal council. Mitch guns for Camilla, feeling the least connected to her and expressing that she's the weakest in challenges.

[00:39:43] But Camilla in turn begins to throw Mitch under the school bus, I guess, saying he is both a huge threat in individual challenges, as well as someone whose story could easily mop up jury boats. And so in one of the most savage moves of the season, just when Mitch thought he could keep going on his climb to the million dollars, his rope gets cut, sending him tumbling to the mat of Ponderosa. His ally was Charity and his enemy was Camilla. What placement was that? Did you just watch the summit? This is the gym! Gym class!

[00:40:13] You climbed the rope! I don't know if he's still doing it anymore, but that's the only thing I really, stereotypical about gym class. Mitch would have done great on the summit. What is the, um, what was the final placement that you had for him? Pre, pre jury? Oh, pre jury, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, so the problem with Liana's here, Liana, Liana Borax, she, um, you know, her, the first half of her prediction was great, and then it was like the second half was like, where did that go?

[00:40:42] Oh, and some could say apropos, but for Michael, um, Dimitri Bloom, some things were also right, but everything you had right, she had right. So, but you did have right that Camilla did kind of end him. Point goes to Michael Bloom. There we go! What? You were separated by like two votes, Liana, and he got the, you said charity took him out,

[00:41:11] he said Camilla did. You both had the carnival games, which I think is post editing and the charity Mitch thing. Sure. You know, you both had the, the, you both had it. Oh my God. Nevertheless. All right. Okay. I do want to bring up something from my, my Mitch exit press, which I highly recommend everybody check out. Cause I think Mitch is able to vocalize a lot of understandable frustrations that maybe some

[00:41:39] fans had towards the way he was personified to us of like, keep saying he's going to make a big move. And then he literally was sitting there at the beginning of the finale being like, I should have made a big move. So from Mitch's perspective, this is corroborated a bit by Camilla, but he explained to me specifically why he did not flip at eight at that vote where they said we can tie the votes, which was that apparently Mitch did have every, you know, thing in his willpower to want to make

[00:42:09] that move. In fact, he had gone to star with a plan of a final five of the four outsiders plus Kyle that then at four, he said like, I, uh, if I win immunity, I will throw myself in fire star to send you to the final three where we could sit at the end together. Allegedly star then told the entirety of that plan to Joe and Eva, uh, to the point that when Mitch went to go sit with Joe and even Kyle, they had said, Oh yeah, by the way, star

[00:42:36] said all of this, not sort of cementing in Mitch's head that this was not necessarily somebody that he could work with considering that he made a final three deal with her and she proceeded to out it. Like Camilla had said that her and Kyle did a sort of like Tyrion Lannister in season two of game of Thrones thing where like they would purposely feed star pieces of misinformation and see if it got back to Joe and Eva, which almost always did. Oh, listen, TMTM exit interviews aren't canon.

[00:43:02] Everyone's the hero of their own story, but I did find it a really interesting perspective from both Mitch and Camilla as to why maybe some moves were not made to flip the game on its head towards that, like eight to six to five range. Well, there had to be a reason that we did not see, to be fair. Um, star on Twitter, uh, something, you know what? Oh yeah. I was going to say star.

[00:43:26] You should bring Mitch and star and tell them it's their B and B, but they don't know it's the others going to be there. And then really get to the bottom. So tell me what happened. Well, I mean, that's the thing, right? So we saw Mitch on the show say, I don't trust star. Would have been great to see why. Why exactly like, didn't we need 17 confessionals from the same people about the same thing instead though? You know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[00:43:54] It's more so you say like, this is what you want with old, with old school survivor. Maybe this is more so as like, this is what you want. You like about Australian survivor, right? The same four people saying the same four things every 90 minute episode. Yeah. I should have made a move. I should have made a move. I'm the Joker. All right, but let's move into the agent of chaos herself in Camilla. Our fourth place finisher here. Get another one. I believe since final four fire making has been introduced. It's her. It's Liz.

[00:44:23] I want to say it's Kara Kay, who are the only people to have never gotten a vote against them and never made the final tribal council. I think they joined like Pascal and Sari in that regard. So rarefied air for Camilla. And I had her hitting some pretty high altitudes in this season as well. I had Camilla making the finale. I said that Camilla's preseason prayers are answered when she's put on a tribe with the gig of Chad, David, and the two will form one of the game's most unlikely duos bonding

[00:44:51] over their love of gaming and PC customization. When David gets his tree trunk legs cut out from under him, she'll find herself growing closer to Kyle as the two of them and Chrissy are seen as sitting ducks. The two K's try to strike out the competition as Camilla is finally able to institute her plan of subliminally forcing a fluid season. We'll get a segment of the software engineer comparing an idle hunt to searching through software coding for bugs, and her real life metaphor pays off in spades when she's able to find one.

[00:45:20] Using her idle and Kyle's vote steal, the SIVA 3 create what Camilla calls an advantage algorithm. They use their inventory at just the right time, landing a critical hit on one of the big bosses of the season. From there, they surprisingly flip the game in their favor, becoming three of the final four. When Chrissy wins final immunity, Camilla thinks she has the game locked up, but she doesn't count on a surprise counter from the speech and debate coach as she shockingly sends Camilla and Kyle into fire making.

[00:45:48] Forced to go up against her tightest ally, Camilla's illegal attempts at arson do not have real world applicability as she goes down in lack of flames. Her ally was David, then Kyle, and her enemies were Chrissy and fire making. That's crazy, Mike. Like, literally. Who are you fucking? I think. She's upstairs.

[00:46:20] Oh my God. Not me thinking I had this. I had Camilla make the finale. Camilla and her crew. Shut up. Camilla and her crew sailed through the pre-merge in the first part of the jury until Chrissy had to go and mess it up by wanting to target Camilla first out of their alliance. However, Camilla saves herself by painting the target on her ally, Kyle, bigging up his win potential.

[00:46:47] Thankfully for her, Loggie takes the bait and agrees to go for Kyle. While this move saves her in the moment, come final four, Camilla is the biggest target to win and the group consensus to go to fire. Camilla loses to Eva, much like Jessie in the 43, goes out as my sweet, sweet fallen angel. And then I just wrote crying emoji. You guys are part of the Illuminati. I'm sorry I had to find out this way, Omar.

[00:47:17] We've kept this long undercover. Her allies were C squared, K squared, obviously. And her enemy was fire. You guys literally, you're keeping the metric system down, the electric car, all of that. We do. We do. We, you do. This one, point Liana. Yeah. Woo! Okay. Now you, uh, no, I think, I think you're able to clock a little bit more as to, I mean,

[00:47:46] the Kyle thing being taken out was a big, was a big marker against it, but I think specifically her going up against Eva had to be the slam dunk here. Now that we've gotten to the final tribal councils, three of them, should we unveil one more surprise? Yeah, sure. Let's listen. Speaking of final tribal council. Speaking of final tribal council surprises. Let's bring on a previous guest on the B&B this season, but making her glorious return.

[00:48:12] Someone who we're still trying to bask in the glow of replicating her own 11th hour bomb drop. It is the winner of Survivor 42. Welcome back to the B&B, Marianne Oked. Always so good to be here. Thank you for such a wonderful hype up. It's nice to know I'm still loved and known and appreciated. The listeners went through this whole podcast just waiting for you to show up and they thought it wasn't going to happen, but just like that idol, you're popping up now. It happened at the 11th hour.

[00:48:41] I know about dramatic entrances. You didn't need to worry about me. Well, we have three more to judge, but now there's two judges. So you have to win. I was going to say, Marianne, you can certainly help Omer. I do not know if he would reciprocate that, though. I think he very much grabbed the power that was given to him with the force of a hand that does have five fingers on it, much like the number of boots in this episode. It's in the hands of this fan. It's the hands of these fans. All right.

[00:49:10] Well, let's talk about, I guess, the middle finger of this five some here, who the jury presumably gave the middle finger to by only giving him one jury vote. And that was Papa Joe. How do you think Joe was going to do? Look, I've been huffing that Jopium all season. That good old Papa Jopium. I had Joe as my winner pick. Yeah, we knew it. That's so classic, Liana. I saw a meat man season. Meat man.

[00:49:39] Pick meat man. Like that was more of a milk man than a meat man season. Liana and Jeff Kropes have always had the same mind. We have the same opinions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never seen the two of you in the same room at the same time. Except I did that one time. I mean, survivor man, survivor woman. It's a lot of comment. I don't want to know what goes on with Pouya there. Okay. Okay. So I had Joe obviously make the finale. He's my winner pick.

[00:50:05] I had Joe bonds quickly with Shaheen and Eva, who both come across as straight shooters and they form the Storm Chasers Alliance. Joe's charisma is his secret weapon because despite being one of the meat men on the cast, he only wins one immunity. While Joe may not have played the most strategic game, his charisma is what gets Joe the win with five votes from the jury.

[00:50:32] Jeff is obviously obsessed with Joe, which is why he's so high on the season. And we all get a little bit uncomfortable about Jeff's growing obsession. Joe's ally was the Storm Chasers. His enemy was no one. They're like, you guys are either Illuminati, which is your inside production. I don't know. This just happens too much now. You have three of the final four. Come on.

[00:50:59] Well, well, let me let me bring things down a little bit. Not terrible. This is not a pre jury zone. I did have Joe making the jury, the jewelry, if you will. Because also like, just look at him like he's very post merge coded. I had a feeling that especially given the fact I'll get into this, that Loggie, I got to see Loggie be so dominant in that first episode. It's like, oh yeah, they're never going to tribal council. So here's what I have to say about Joe.

[00:51:23] Given his physique, leadership experience and warm family man demeanor, Joe becomes the B.M.A.C. big man at camp on Loggie. Every single tribe member at some point will feel good about him, leaving him precariously caught between too many deals. Despite being in good with everyone, Joe's ultimate number one is Eva. The two will bond over their athletic backgrounds, their inspirational stories and their desires to play in a respectful and honorable way. Indeed, much of Joe's.

[00:51:52] Why did I say indeed? What the hell? I liked it. I thought it was exactly right. Oh, indeed. There you go. Much of Joe's game will focus on the difficulties he has cutting people's throats while also maintaining his preseason goals of loyalty and bringing his group to the end. His moral quandary will culminate in a scene where he dramatically talks to his late sister on the beach about who he should go with to the end.

[00:52:15] Things get further complicated when David approaches Joe and Eva at the merge about creating a meat phalanx of all the physical. Well, Joe accepts the idea of making his target smaller. He puts down his shield soon enough into the merge, leading an irate David to tear him apart. Unfortunately for Joe, taking out both Star and David, but not the Star of David, leaves him perfectly exposed as the number one threat in the game. Someone who has the ear and vote of everyone, as well as the ability to make moves.

[00:52:44] And so despite how fractured the merge tribe is, everyone except Eva joins together to take him out. Joe's boot will send a veritable tsunami through the casuals who has a collective fell in love with the new Joe due to his challenge strength and heart. Instead of trying to get pushed onto 50, they will instead try a tactic out of another notable survivor, Joe, starting a GoFundMe to raise him a million dollars. His ally was Eva and his enemy was David. Oh, you know what?

[00:53:14] That was pretty good, too. Like, Marianne, where are you leaning? Because I have my thoughts. Um, I'm like, Liana was close, especially with a lot of the movement and the Joe and the meat alliance. But I feel as if, Mike, other than placement, you had it with David, you had the Eva alliance, you had, like, I'm leaning more Mike, I think. Me as well. I'm sorry. Point Mike. But, like, it was close. It was very close. It was, like, too close, you know? Yeah. They're secretly in production.

[00:53:44] Yeah. Well, Liana's Jeff Rose. We know. We've got over three theories about it. We figured it out. Liana is Jeff Rose. That's true. I am literally Jeff Rose. All right. Well, let's get into it. That's why I keep forgetting where to drink my milk. Wait. No, no. No, no. Here. No, no, no. 50%. Jeff drinks like this. Survivor Man drinks like this. Yeah. Yeah. Survivor Man's like this. That feels like, I mean, you know what? Actually, we were talking before about David's standup. Was that his attempt at another joke? Of like, now, the thing about it is, the men drink their milk.

[00:54:14] They drink like this. You do a very good David voice. Like, that was, like, if I close my eyes, I would thought that was good. You know what? Joe, I can see why David said what he said. Like, because it's like, if you're a big and muscular guy, your muscles are going to push your arm up anyways, right? So I can see why I'd be more comfortable to be a 90 degree. So. Wait. Okay. I'm not a biologist. Does that work at all? Like, does Joe just walk around like this? They can't put their arms down. Well, T-Rex did do that.

[00:54:44] T-Rexes were, you know, but T-Rex had small arms. It's like the biomechanics of like, you just can't put your arms down. You're walking around like that kid from the Christmas story. Yeah. His arms like stuck out like this. Yeah, actually, he was swole AF. Nobody knew. But underneath all those layers, that dude was packing on steroids. All right. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's get into quite the stacked individual who stacked up a couple of jury votes here. Let's talk about our runner up or should I say skater up in Eva.

[00:55:14] I had Eva. Thank you. Over. Thank you. Thank you so much. I had Eva. Now, some of you have heard this one before. Brand new idea. Making the finale. Finally, I said that after seeing everyone freely tell their stories in the opening match chat, Eva decides to tell her tribe about her autism and much to her relief. They welcome her with open arms looking to assemble her team for the playoffs last merge. Eva looks to Joe due to their similar athletic background.

[00:55:43] Unfortunately, as some will say during the season, Eva's fixation on keeping her alliance together comes at the cost of the proverbial puck passing her by. When she's blindsided by the Joe vote out, she'll admit how she made a survivor own goal by being too trusting in her allies. Eva will be the undisputed challenge beast of the season, getting more necklaces than a Labor Day sale at Claire's. More or less than Maria. Oh, yeah. I guess that's the point. That old tag. That old tag.

[00:56:13] That old tag. That old tag. Oh, my God. Marian, you weren't here for the Maria strays that they threw earlier. Oh, my God. That's considered elder abuse, according to Eva. But in a crucial final five immunity challenge, her nerves get the best of her as she blows the lead and her game. Faced between the two former Loggy allies of Eva and Shaheen, the new season majority decide the youngest player is the biggest threat to their own lifespan in the game.

[00:56:41] Seeing the dissertation writing on the wall, Eva shocks the players and the jury alike when she reveals at her last tribal council that she's a Ph.D. student, prompting a standing ovation as she's voted out. Her ally was Joe, then Shaheen, and her enemy was the final five puzzle. Oh, I mean, it was the fact that you even said the Ph.D. thing is crazy. Although the response was a bit more tepid. But my God, I don't know. Did you look at Chrissy?

[00:57:10] Oh, my gosh. That was. Yeah, that was people. People take their jobs too seriously is what I'm going to say. OK, well, I took this very seriously. I had Eva making the finale. It is not repetitive at this point, but even. Who would have thought that as much as people were saying that the end of the season would be incredibly predictable. You and I made it even more predictable in our preseason predictions. We clocked this even before the entire season.

[00:57:40] They should hire both of you as consultants for casting because you could have foreseen this. It's like, all right, this is I see these two working together. I saw this. Does C squared pay squared? If I hear C squared, pay squared one more time. Well, you're going to have to hear it one more time. OK, so Eva, Joe and Shaheen connected right away on Loggie, forming the Storm Chasers. Outnumbered Loggie coming into the merge.

[00:58:04] Eva goes to work appealing to Siva with her brutal honesty, which appeals to David and Chrissy. With her social connections, Eva sails to the final four without her name being written down until she's forced to make fire at the final four. She narrowly beats Camilla and is able to argue her case to the jury, revealing her autism diagnosis and how she adapted her strategy of finding loyal players to work with until the end of the game. Eva gets three votes, which gives her second place.

[00:58:33] So her allies were the Storm Chasers, Joe and Shaheen, and her enemies were the two jurors that didn't vote for her. I didn't specify which to get a hit list, but that was pretty good, too. They're on notice. They are on notice. Wait, what was your final placement, Michael? Again, I had her fifth place, I believe. Yeah, yeah. OK, I'm going to go with Liana on this. I agree, too. Yeah. The the that's match point, Liana.

[00:59:02] But the I know the Mike's a Ph.D. thing. Good. I know. But tepid. Yes. Much like a good old glass of water from the well. Or that glass of milk at Final Tribal Council. All right. Last. All right. Not least. We've got a whole new whole ass new bubble butt survivor to talk about. Again, this is why I love the Final Tribal Council. Like Kyle just out of nowhere is like, yeah, challenges.

[00:59:30] By the way, I'm caked up AF. I got a shelf ass. Back up this dump truck. So here we go. Let's talk about the winner himself. Kyle. Liana, you alluded to it a little earlier. So let's fill in the rest of the blanks. How did you think Kyle was going to do? Yeah. Omer, you should just like take your headphones out. You're going to hate this. So I had Kyle making the jury.

[01:00:00] Kyle forms a strong alliance with Charity, Chrissy and Camilla, dubbing themselves the C squared K squared alliance. After sacrificing Mitch to the Loggie slash Vula gods, they team up with Loggie to eliminate the remaining Vulas. After this is done, however, Chrissy tries to make a move against Camilla, pitting the C's against the K's. Don't give Joe, go give Jeff a future season theme of Survivor C's versus K's versus the K's.

[01:00:31] Yeah. Kyle ends up as collateral when Loggie gets to be the deciding vote and sides with the C's, considering Kyle to be the biggest threat to win the game. Kyle also wins two individual immunities, making his target even bigger. His allies were Camilla and C squared and his enemy was C squared. I can say, you never have to hear it again. I'm never going to say it again. All right.

[01:01:01] Well, I had Kyle. In an utterance of words I've never said before on this planet, making the finale. I said that despite having a disastrous day one as the pre-merge wends its way, nobody seems to really care about his rocky start except for charity, who nobody cares about. Parentheses, unlike the Survivor 43 voters, zing.

[01:01:29] Wait, because Gabler was going to give his money to charity? I guess so. I don't know. Is that the joke? You should stand up and say it. Maybe that'll make it funnier. Exactly. Looking for redemption, Kyle asks to get sent on another journey and his tribe acquiesces. Kyle is successful in his mission netting a vote steal. But he chooses to lie upon coming back, continuing to promote the perception of him being the Charlie Brown of the season.

[01:01:52] As someone who is self-proclaimed to be athletically presenting, Kyle becomes an early ally of David and gets brought into the meat-failings alliance. I like that more, honestly. But a la Charlie, he's the first to spot the iceberg dead ahead, and his predictions are validated when the ship ends up sinking. But luckily, Kyle's game does not. He locks in with his fellow Sivas in Camilla and Chrissy.

[01:02:17] Despite being firmly on the bottom, the three are able to put their heads together as to how to proceed, and the underdogs become the top dogs by the final five. The peak of the Sivas' CV comes at the final six. Using the vote steal and an idol, they're able to turn the numbers in their favor, taking an iron grip of the game through to the final three. Feeling truly bonded through their time on the bottom, Kyle will reveal to Camilla that he's actually a lawyer. Ooh!

[01:02:47] Oh, crazy. While she admires his candor, it gives the gamer plenty of pause as to whether she wants to take him to the end. But she's not really given a choice when the two face off in firemaking. Making it to day 26, Kyle approaches the stand, though he is sitting, pitching how impressive he navigated out of a corner using strategy and advantages. Unfortunately, the jury has a tough time separating his move from Camilla's and simultaneously has much stronger personal relationships with Shaheen.

[01:03:14] As a result, Kyle is given a losing verdict in a game loud portions of the fan base would say is the best runner-up game since Dom Abate. His ally was Camilla and Chrissy, and his enemy was the jury. Wait, so who was the winner in your situation again? Shaheen. Shaheen. Okay, well, I would lean Mike. What do you think? I actually, this is where I split. I think I'd lean Liana. Oh! Yeah! There's Laurel in here. Break the time.

[01:03:44] Where's Laurel and Yanni? Well, I was the official guest. Oh, boo! Wow! Marianne won her season, Omar. You're going to come in here and try to pretend like you have more power than she does. I'd like to hear her rationale for Liana because Mike was closer. Yeah, I know because I was thinking, yes, Mike was closer.

[01:04:07] But I think how other than his idol improvements were so fundamentally against, it was such an anti-advantage season that the big focus of it being advantage-focused, rather than bonds that you make, is what pushed me away from it and pushed me towards Liana. Like, I really liked how Liana was, like, the strategy, even though he got voted out early, was very, this is a bond-focused thing. This is a bond-focused thing. I felt that was a more clear thing rather than the actual placement.

[01:04:34] Well, interesting because I felt the opposite because, one, Mike said C squared, K squared less. And two, Mike's saying that they took an advantage or took control of the game using an idol and a votes deal. That did happen, but earlier in the game, it just happened pre-merge and they needed those things to survive. And then they could use the bonds to kind of grow forward. So it was just shifted a bit earlier.

[01:05:02] No, but that didn't really, he didn't take control of the game. He saved his game with those things. Yeah, but he had control and then he had control. No, he didn't have control. He was kind of just like, you know, sitting around and the moves that he was doing benefited him so he didn't have to rock the boat earlier. I disagree because take control. No, I'm giving my point to Mike. I'm giving it to Liana. Yay! Liana, we're fine! That's very funny. Doesn't it feel like truly a spirit survivor for me?

[01:05:33] We all win. Yeah, not time. Are you keeping a season tally? Who won the season? I feel like, I don't know. I think Mike probably won. That's crazy you guys don't keep track of it. I think Mike probably won. Yeah, I mean, I was definitely more off the mark than I was for 47, which was just like the freakiest, dickiest thing ever. But again, I do think that this felt like a season where by and large, I think the people who we assume to succeed did succeed.

[01:05:59] I mean, remember, Liana, so your final three was Joe, Eva, Chrissy? I had no, my final three was Joe, Eva, David. Joe, Eva, David. And mine was Camilla as the final four. And mine was Shaheen, Kyle, Chrissy. And then Camilla as the fourth. Yeah. Both very close. Wow, you know a falling angel when you see one. Yeah.

[01:06:22] Well, Marianne, I'd be remiss not to ask you about your thoughts on the newest induction into the Survivor Winners Circle. What are your thoughts about Kyle now that the confetti has officially fallen? I love a good Cowan. I feel like this season was very reminiscent of old school Survivor where it's like you find that alliance. You make sure you're not too high in the alliance that everybody hates you when you're making the moves, but you're just low enough that no one's going to think of targeting you.

[01:06:52] You make it to the end. You have these moves. You have the perceived head of the alliance who can speak about those main moves, but you've made your own things in secret, which can destabilize and show the agency that you've had throughout the game. Because I think people might have been complaining that it's a boring season, whatever, seasons are subjective. But if you have a path to a million dollars, which is a smooth sailing, why are you going to change it? You're here not to play for players. You're here to play for money. And he did exactly what he needed to do. He exactly rocked the boat when he needed to rock the boat.

[01:07:21] Kept it still when he needed to keep it still. Had such a good mind in the game where it's like he managed to go, not anger Joe or Eva, managed to do all of that, take it to the end and still have the respect of the jury. I think that it was a great game. Textbook game. Yeah, I think he played a very good game as well. Yeah, I think an incredibly solid. I think, again, he was really able to play into a lot of the quote unquote themes of the themeless season, which was able to take advantage of incredibly tight relationships,

[01:07:50] able to cultivate a lot of great social capital with the bonds that he was making. There was even some stuff that he has did not make the edit that he's talked about in exit press about all that. He had a really close bond with Cedric, as an example. Obviously, we found out after the fact that David was his former number one and that even Kyle and Camillo were like, yeah, we weren't really number ones until David said that we were number one.

[01:08:13] So, I mean, again, maybe it goes to show to your point, Mary Ann, why Kyle never felt the need to necessarily flip things is because he felt that he was in a pretty good standing with the jury no matter what. And when you have the clincher of sending your number one ally there, who's able to set you up so well by bringing up like, hey, if you think I was just a social player who didn't make moves, look what I just did. Then it really is something to nail the point home.

[01:08:41] And so I love getting to know Kyle as well over the course of this season. Obviously, a lot from his past that it brings in to make the person who he is in the present and how this money and this win and this legacy is going to inform his future as well. And it makes me really excited to see Kyle emerge as the champion of all this. I agree. All right. Well, we'd be remiss, of course, if we didn't leave the season without getting into this next game, especially when we have Omer on.

[01:09:10] Of course, we got to see all of these respective pieces of Animalia battle it out over the course of the better part of 13 weeks. But Omer, you make this metaphor literal as you love to do on the BNB as we are engaging in your tried and trusted animal game. Yes. And I want you to pull up. OK, so let's move forward. So we're doing the animal game again this time. Same rules.

[01:09:40] Perhaps in the future we'll have an evolution. We don't know. But for now, we'll evolve by here. Yes. Like Pokemon. Yes. Do we have the first slide, please? Do I have control or do you have control? You have the control. You've had the control, since the prediction. Oh, jeez Louise. I can move the slide. You're a wet labber? I see that pipette. Yeah. You see that pipette there? Yeah. Yeah. So we have every time we have the host.

[01:10:09] We have Michael, who is still the meerkat. And Michael Dimitri Bloom, do you remember who the survivor meerkat was? You keep asking me this every time and I will continue to forget. But I'm just setting you up, Omer, because of course I know. But remind that the audience is home. Charlie Davey, season 46. So you probably should write that down somewhere. OK. Liana Borix. Mm-hmm. There's your micro pipette. You red-tailed hawk. Yes, red-tailed hawk. Red-tailed hawk. I remember.

[01:10:38] And then here's Marianne coming crashing into the B&B late in the game as the Amazon parrot. So now we can move forward with Survivor 48 animals. On here are a bunch of animals. These are 24 animals. What a number. But 20 of them are, or 18 are representing the current 18 castaways. Six are decoys.

[01:11:05] We'll start off by showing you an animal and you have to guess the person. Then when the last six are around, you'll see the person and guess the animals. So you do have to kind of keep this sheet. And yeah. Yeah, yeah. Keep the screenshot. Do whatever you need to do. Midway through, right before we go into the other round, I'll show you the ones that are left over, though. OK. So we have a variety here. And it'll be interesting to see where we go. Do you guys remember who won last season? I don't remember. I have no memory. I think it might have been me.

[01:11:35] Yeah. We had Lindsay in as our third chair. Yes. So Mike, every time we play this request that he is the man of the house goes first. Liana as his work wife goes second. And then the guest goes third. So we're just going to keep that energy here. He specifically texted me before asking for that. Yeah. That does sound like something I'd say in between Andrew Tate viewings. Exactly. So locked in the first. Oh, and before we get going, the disclaimer of every time every animal on here is pretty freaking cool.

[01:12:05] And they are all amazing creatures. If you get one that you don't like, that's actually on you because you don't understand them. And you maybe should learn something about them before you whine to me about how you hate your animal. Some of them have resemblances to the person in strong ways, others in weaker ways. But their essence is always captured overall. And so how this will work is I have the Asian elephant here. Mike, you can guess out of all 18 people who's the Asian elephant for three points.

[01:12:34] Or you could sacrifice a point to get the clue. And you can always request at any point in time, any of you, the numerical score between one to 10 of how much it resembles the person. That could distract you or it could help you. And so and that's a free hint anytime people want it or don't want it. I already know who this is. I'm already locked in. Oh, wow. All right. Let's see if it gets around to you. If it's not who I think it is, then you're just wrong, Omer.

[01:13:02] I mean, are you famous animal hater would know more than me? Also, this is the Asian elephant. This is not the African elephant. So if you guys think that it's not right because you think that it's an elephant, there's a difference between an Asian and African elephant. And this person is not an African elephant. I know this person is an Asian elephant. Yeah. All right. So for the uninitiated, myself included, please, I will sacrifice the point and give me some descriptors of the Asian elephant.

[01:13:30] So resilient, caring and gritty. OK, see, the first thing I was thinking of is that Kyle kind of described himself as having an elephant ass, but it doesn't. Yes. Sound like, OK, so I'm trying to think gritty like I'm trying to think about. So. If there was anyone from the majority alliance that would seemingly come across as gritty, you know, because they didn't face a lot of grit, at least in their season.

[01:13:59] I guess the question is, a lot of them came in with these big stories. Could the grit possibly come from there? I mean, the word. Caring is something that really. Oh, but also. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not that. Not that. OK, I will go Occam's razor here right now, probably start off on a bad hoof print. I will say Joe. OK, Michael Bloom, his final answer is Joe. If he gets it wrong, there's chances for steals.

[01:14:29] But he got it right. Oh, was that the one? Oh, yeah. Marianne. What? Oh, no. Yeah, no. It's so obviously, David, because you have an elephant, which is Jonathan and Asian elephant. Slightly worse. Jonathan, David, easy. No, Jonathan's the African elephant and Joe is the Asian elephant. No, Jonathan. No, by definition, David is the Asian elephant. I'm like, this is wrong. But you're actually wrong. Marianne, why don't we wait until what David's animal is?

[01:14:58] And then we can circle back to this moment. OK, how about that? No. I stand on business. OK, Liana. OK. Your animal is the palm civet. And if you do not know for the uninitiate, actually, no, I'll keep that on the. Oh, OK. Wait, what? We'll find out later. Oh, OK. Do you know what a palm civet is? It looks cute. I know that. OK.

[01:15:27] I kind of just want to guess. Oh, wow. I'm going to guess Mary. OK, so for the uninitiated, if she doesn't get this, Marianne or Mike would have the opportunity to either guess for two points or to get the hint. And crazily enough, Liana is right. She just stole. It looks like Mary. So Mike has two points. Does that weigh high on your scale? Was she correct? This was like a seven to eight on a scale of one. Yes. Wow.

[01:15:55] And the palm civet, interestingly, athletic, a commodity, iconic and obsessed. Everybody was obsessed with Mary. Twitter, the Vula members that kept wanting to vote her out. And she was a commodity. The civet is an animal that's farmed for its fecal material because it eats coffee beans. And then the coffee beans are digested and passed. And it's a delicacy and an extremely expensive coffee in parts of Asia.

[01:16:24] And it is unfortunate. We really need a redistribution of wealth. People need to recognize how they're spending their money. They get kept in really terrible conditions to farm their shit, unfortunately. And that's like Mary on the Vula tribe. She just needed to get up and let her poop fly freely. So that is Mary. Mother Mary right there. Yes, Mary. That's an excellent. It was 17 people in the game. Impressive. It looked like Mary. That was your literal shot in the dark, Liana. And once again, applicable to Mary. I know. I know.

[01:16:54] Okay. The curacao for Mary. Ooh. Yeah. I'm going to take the hint. You're going to take the hint. Okay. This creature can scream really loudly in very funny ways. Gregarious. Vibrant. Homer! In a good way. Why did you write that word? In a good way. In a good way. In a good way. And is this like the viewer's perception in a good way?

[01:17:22] Or is this the player's perception in a good way? Our, you know, our experience with this player on the screen. And vibrant. And what's the scale from one to ten? The scale from one to ten, I would say is like a six. Okay. There's elements that are very strong, but as a whole, maybe not as a whole, but there's elements like the eyes, the beak, the hair. Well, maybe not the hair. You see, I have two names in my mind.

[01:17:50] I'm not feeling good about it, but I feel as if like, I feel as if, I don't know. Is it charity? It is. Marianne is wrong. Just like she was wrong about the Asian elephant. Michael. No, I'm right about the Asian elephant. I stand on that business. Is it Stephanie? It is Stephanie. Yeah. We use this very adjective to describe Mary in a good way. That's what I, that's what I remembered. So I was like, okay.

[01:18:19] Oh, well, listen, not, not to typify too much. I did narrow tone the cast by about half when you used that specific adjective. And Mary was off the table, right? Yeah, Mary was off the table. That was low hanging fruit. The hair a little bit there, you know, it's not up, but it's, you know, and they're both serving. This is like an iconic animal that people don't know about. But if you ever see this animal at a zoo, one of the most entertaining animals because they're running around screaming everywhere, being little cuties. All right.

[01:18:49] Back to Mike for the common or the giant E-land. Oh my God. That's like two sets of eyes. I was, I feel like it's saying my eyes are up here because I kept looking at like the two little patches of dark patches. Yeah. Okay. Tell me more about this. Give me some descriptors. Okay. Sacrificing a point for built intense unexpected. Hmm. Built. Built. Oh, look at it. Look at it. Okay. Built. Intense. Unexpected.

[01:19:19] I mean, it's got to be David. It's got to be David. Unexpected is like everything with like his, his background. Intense is obviously the intensity brought that led to him being pointed out. Built. Duh. Knock, knock. Who's there? It's David. Yeah. Okay. Look at this. So, Marianne, here's your David. Do you not see this? She sees it, but she's afraid to admit it. No, listen to me being honest.

[01:19:46] I just think that the Asian elephant, if it is the Asian elephant must be paired with the African elephant. And I think that if the African elephant is Jonathan, the Asian elephant is David. If the African elephant is Mike, the Asian elephant is Joe. Perhaps the common Elan is really Jonathan. Who's to say? But I need you to like really zoom into the face of a giant Elan and David's. It's basically this way. Oh yeah. Look at that. Well, it was the moment.

[01:20:15] Mike, when you said the, like the two eye thing, I was like, like double nipples, just like David. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that intense stare. The strong nose. Same thing. All right. Liana, you've got the chameleon. Oh, okay. So this is very interesting because a chameleon, I know the like lore amongst the chameleon, chameleons, right? Like being able to, you know, disguise themselves. Right.

[01:20:45] So I'm trying to think about like, is that the angle that you think of? Cause like, you're the expert, right? And like pop culture can get so many things wrong. So I don't have that immediately like merry feeling. So I would like to see the hints. Okay. So you are, you could tie with Michael if you get it after the hint. Cause he's at five. You're at three. Quiet, scrappy, expressive when cornered. If you've ever tried to restrain a chameleon, you know, they pretend they're not there.

[01:21:13] And then when you grab it, it's like, it's going to kill you. It's like, also they, um, this has nothing to do with the person. Absolutely no will to live. They will, um, you know, they just like them and Guinea pigs, like forget about it. They need a nail trim, put it down. It's not going to work out. Wow. Oh my God. Get help chameleons. It gets better. Okay. I'm going to go with Bianca. Bianca is wrong.

[01:21:43] Marianne for the steel. What's a skill from one to 10? For the look, I would say like a six. Oh, but mostly like, I think a four until it opens its mouth. Then it's like a six. And the tongue comes out. So quiet, scrappy, expressive when cornered. Is it?

[01:22:13] No. Because you, you, and I want to ask a specific question. The no will to live has zero impact. Because if it does have impact, I have someone in my mind. It does not. Okay. I don't know. So I'm going to go with, but I can't think of any names. So I'm going to go with just like the name, which I don't think it is. So I'm not giving my pets. So I'm going to go with Justin. You are incorrect. I know I am.

[01:22:42] Michael for the last steel. Smart. Six points. Liana, I think if my following of Omer's logic is correct, you may have given me this answer earlier. When we said that as much of a delightful surprise as Chrissy was at final tribal council, there have been moments where when she was on the bottom, despite being kind of purple, she opened her mouth and let the words flow. I think this is Chrissy. Mike has got it down. This is Chrissy.

[01:23:13] Forgot our last name. But it's Chrissy. Chrissy. Starnowski. And her mouth, you know, when she's, she's kind of blends in with the background, she was barely on the show. Then when she gets put into that fighting fight or flight position, she's going to let it be. She's going to let it flow. And she and chameleons also think that Eva is not on the men's hockey team, which is crazy. Like what a crazy coincidence. It's crazy. They think so. Yeah. Okay. So Mike is up to six points. Liana at three. Marianne at zero.

[01:23:41] But we know that Marianne's a come from behind kind of gal. The honey badger. Whose turn is it first? Marianne. Marianne. Marianne. I'm not making it up if the honey badger are known for scams. Like it's called like a honey badgering. Like if you're a honey badger, you make a scam. Okay. Okay. I was like, wait, are they running like MLMs amongst the roadie community? Hi, babe.

[01:24:08] Your first is so maddie, but I can help you with some moments. That's so good. How dare you, Mike? This is not a rodent. What's the scale from one to ten? Teeth bearing honey badger like a seven. Honey badger at rest a four. I'm going to go with star. That is incorrect. You didn't even go for the hints. Mike. Am I allowed or do I have to get?

[01:24:38] Two points without the hint. One point with the hint. Yeah, I'll keep staying conservative here and go with the hint. Bold. Don't care. Honey badger don't care. Actually, I stand by my star guess with that hint. So I'm not even mad. I would agree with Marianne. Marianne, I thought it said reckless instead of fearless. Bold. Don't care. Anything but reckless. I will say, well, star might be my number one family feud answer. My number two is not far behind, much like she was in pursuing Mary through the jungle. Is it say?

[01:25:07] Yes, this is a thousand percent say. Say plays, you know, her resemblance to a honey badger in terms of gameplay at ten. Fearless. We'll go for it. Does it? We'll battle prey or battle the animal three times her size because she don't give a fuck. Like she is out there like a honey badger. So that's absolutely true. So that's seven points for Mike. Three for Liana. And Marianne is going to come from behind and win. I don't think so. The Garanuk. Michael Bloom.

[01:25:37] Standing on two legs. The arms. This is what they're known for. Foraging in the higher trees. Let's hear these loving and sometimes NSFW descriptors, Omer, for the Garanuk. Stoic. Creative diet. Athletic. Athletic. And creative diet. Because they're going to levels of trees that other animals can't get to because they're not tall enough. Okay. Stoic. And athletic. I've also done a post-mortem on one of these. Oh.

[01:26:06] But not the person. Yeah, I hope not. Okay. Stoic. Creative. Diet. And athletic. Well, athletic, unfortunately, to Liana's meat man point, does narrow things down considerably. Trying to think of, like, stoic. It feels like we have sort of crossed off the people. Like, I would say Cedric, but Cedric is quite the opposite of athletic in terms of his challenge performance. How dare you?

[01:26:36] How dare you? But now I'm thinking about, like, creative diet. Justin does work at a pizzeria. Could it be Justin? Now, that's my guess. And Michael is correct again. What the hell? Oh, my God. He's so good at that. Oh, my God. Justin, you know, the Garinook is achieving leaves and brows that no one else can because it's on its back legs. And Justin's creating pizzas from scratch that nobody's ever tried before.

[01:27:05] And I think that that is incredible. Very creative. He also has a long hair. Much like the Garinook. But not long enough to be a giraffe. The resemblance was high on that one. Yeah, I can see it. White-bellied Taik. Now, we had the black-capped Kaik in a previous version one year ago. That was Jessica Chong. This is the white-bellied Kaik. Very different, but similar. Same, same, but different. Okay, can I get the scale of 1 to 10?

[01:27:36] I would say this is a solid 7. Oh, a solid 7. Who lifts their foot like that, Liana? I know. I'm like, who gives me that, like, kind of that little look with their little eyes? 7 to 8, honestly. Now that I'm looking at it. Well, actually, I don't know. Okay, I'm going to guess Bianca. Wrong. Marianne, two points or one point with the scale. One day it'll be Bianca. So it's either two or one? Two or one. Two, or if you take the hint, it'll be one. I'll just start.

[01:28:07] Wrong. Wrong. Okay, Michael, you can get two or you can take the hint. You know what? I'll join these two in the flagrant guessing here because I was laughing about, like, who sticks their leg up that. But I remember who sticks their leg up like that when they are complaining about not making use of their absolutely luxuriatingly beautiful assets. Is this Shaheen? This is not Shaheen either.

[01:28:34] So the categories were jumpy, off the walls, goofy, chaotic. I stabbed with Star. I stabbed with it. It was Kevin. Ah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, it does look like the way he dove, actually, off the platform. Yeah, energy all over the place. Just like a Kayik, and we love that. All right, so no points for that one. Also, shout out to Kevin. Kevin got a shout out in the finale when Kyle was like, if I close the speech. Remember that guy who nearly got medevaced when he dislocated his shoulder and I lost him because I broke a jar?

[01:29:06] The Daniel Strunk ghost. The ghost of Daniel Strunk lives on. Don't dislocate your shoulder on Survivor. You're cooked. In multiple ways. Between that and the near rock draw that happened, Daniel Strunk was really living rent-free in those people's heads. Truly. All right, Marianne, you're up on the monitor lizard. So I know monitor lizards are usually in, is it South East Asia or South Asia? They live in Asia, Africa, and Australia. And I know they are massive, and I know that they love to stay in 7-Elevens.

[01:29:36] They like to what, sorry? They love to stay in 7-Elevens. Oh, interesting. So many pictures. If you search up monitor lizard and 7-Elevens, you're going to get multiple photos. Incredible. I need to look at that. Of monitor lizards. Why are they like drinking slushies? Why 7-Elevens? Just like, I don't know, the AC or something. Is it Cedric? Wow, you're really bold and go for it without any context. No, it is not Cedric. But you know what? You have to go for broke in your position. I get it. All right, I will take the hint then. Adaptable, intelligent, cunning.

[01:30:07] Oh, adaptable. This could describe a good amount of people here. Yeah, I know. So you have to go for the look in the vibe. Look in the vibe. Hunting. Yeah, what's the scale here? Not the scales on the lizard. In my opinion, it's like an 8. An 8. An 8. An 8. All right, if I wasn't like partially face blind, this would be a lot handier here.

[01:30:35] I am going to say... Could this be... Camilla? Camilla is wrong. Liana for the final steal. I'm trying to go based on looks. And I just... I don't see it, Omer. This looks nothing like Camilla. Ugh. Okay, I'm going to go with...

[01:31:03] I'm going to go with Kyle. Yes, you are correct. It is Kyle. There's a 50-50 between the two of them. He is very serpentine lizard-like in the way he moves, the way he acts. No, he doesn't. He walks weird. He doesn't... So does a monitor lizard. Have you seen a monitor lizard? You would too if he got that thing out back. That's literally how a monitor lizard... Well, that's what I'm saying. I understand why, right? He's like carrying... Pure weight distribution. Like, I feel like there's a Bermuda principle involved in keeping this guy walking. That is like this.

[01:31:32] Whatever you just did, that's literally how they walk. That's exactly true. Okay, well, I haven't seen enough monitor lizards at 7-Eleven to know that. Okay? Ostensibly, yes. All right. Michael Bloom, the leopard. All right. Give me the definition. I know what a leopard is, but I want to see what your leopard is. Observant, stealthy, charismatic. Observant, stealthy. So stealthy would obviously indicate to me Eva's nightseek, but I don't believe it's that.

[01:32:00] I'm going to say it is Thomas. You are wrong. Liana for the steal. I'm going to say Shaheen. You are right. Yes, Liana. Catching up. He's very cat-like. Those are the two I was between. I was like, it's either Thomas or Shaheen. I just don't know which one. And there's even a Persian leopard called the Amur leopard. Oh, perfect. Very stealthy. Very stealthy. All right. The call duck.

[01:32:30] Look at that duck. Yes, look at this little duck. That's so cute. Is this yours, Liana? What's the scale? Yeah. The scale, I would say, is an 8. This person looks like a duck. Well, it looks like a duck and it sounds like a duck. It sounds like a duck. Oh, it's so cute. Okay. Can I, is it, wait, whose turn is it? It's my turn. It's me. Okay. Can I have the descriptors, please? You may. Unhinged, loud, and charming. Okay.

[01:33:01] Perhaps much to Marianne's chagrin, I am going to go with star. Oh, you're wrong. Oh, what? Yeah. Marianne for the steal. Girlsies. Has Camilla been said? Camilla has not been on the board. I'll say Camilla. You are also wrong. Michael Bloom. Oh, boy. Okay. So now unhinged, loud, and charming. Okay. So not Camilla, not star. I'm between these two, these freaking duos.

[01:33:30] Again. Who are the last two that you're between? I'm between Thomas and Bianca right now. So Bianca is. I think I'm going to go with Bianca because Bianca is very unhinged in my preseason interviews. It's carrying over. Well, the sex dream really put us over the air. Like, how could it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Eating the fish raw. I hope the duck doesn't do that, too. And she looks like. It does. Oh, the duck does. Yeah. Looks similar. And you know who was the mallard duck last season? Annika. Same spot. Same, you know. It's a.

[01:34:01] Same vibe. Episode five. Watch out, ducks. They're going to duck hunting. You're dead. Marianne, you get the European badger. Look at this. What's the scale? Oh, I think this one's like a nine or ten. Is it Cedric? Oh, wow. Yes. It is. Marianne is totally on the board. It has glasses. Yeah. Classy expert forager and burrower.

[01:34:28] Just like he's burying into people's asses to remove tumors. Versatile. That's also my favorite part was like, I love Kyle's runner. I'm just trying to make Cedric laugh like he did at the travel council when he talks about the bubble button. He's like, I got to get myself set up with one of Cedric's friends to get it fixed. And Cedric is just no response whatsoever. And you know, this European badger eats tons of types of food and Cedric will vote for anybody that walks. So it's like, you know, it's all there.

[01:34:57] It's pretty wild that Cedric was the reason why we got the first vote in what, like 18, 13 seasons of the show where all three people got a jury vote. Yeah. Crazy. Just he's so fantastic. Always keep them guessing. We have exited the first phase of the game and now we have the last six. We are going to the decoy animals plus the last six people. So now you'll get the person. We have the American Kestrel, the Dick Dick, the Dung Beetle, the Lady Ross Tarocco, the

[01:35:27] octopus, the parrotfish, pronghorn, raccoon, sable antelope, sea sponge, Zabumafu, sea fucker, and tree frog. All right. Michael Bloom. Camilla. Ooh. Oh boy. And this is somewhere. Remind me. We can also ask for that. Now you describe the person. Yes. But it's also the animal. It's both. Okay. So give me descriptors of Camilla now because she has been evading us. Unexpected, sneaky, and lovable. Unexpected. Sneaky.

[01:35:58] I feel so wrong trying to typify which animals are more lovable than other ones here. Yeah. Well, I mean, some more lovable than others for sure. Sneaky indicates to me it could be a raccoon. I feel like raccoons are the ones that are like running around all the time. Sneaking. I will go with, yeah, I'll go with raccoon. Raccoon. Okay. You are wrong. Oh. Oh.

[01:36:27] Oh, interesting. Okay. Um, what's the little guy with the two yellow eyes? The Sifika. What's that little guy? That's Zabumafu. Is that right? Yeah. That is, it's a lemur. Okay. I picked the lemur. Um, that is incorrect. Um, but I did want to submit a, um, BNB or sorry, a, uh, wait, did you guys watch Zabumafu or no? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[01:36:55] I wanted to submit a, um, what was the, the, the thing? Yeah. A wand off of Zabumafu except say, you need, uh, and the butt doctor. I didn't get around to it, but it would have been great. It would have been Zabumafu. It would have been say, you need, uh, and the butt doctor. I'll send you everything I was working on later. I want to get the prototype to get the demo in the studio. Okay. Um, Mary. I'm going to go with the tree frog.

[01:37:25] You are incorrect. Oh, that's wrong. Okay. So then who was it? Michael gets to guess again? Oh wait, no, he doesn't. So sorry. It's the American Kestrel. This is a really small, but very predatory bird that you would not expect to be such a killer, but it is a killer. Just like killer Camilla. K. K. Kestrel. Camilla. Oh, the clues were there. A squared. Tree frogs are venomous. They also eat.

[01:37:54] Camilla, notably not American. Everyone thinks it's so cute. I don't know. Everyone's like, if you look at that tree frog, it's like, oh, it's so cute. I just agree with that one. The tree frog isn't like a big killer, you know? Like, this is like a slayer. Tell that to the people who licked it. You know how this thing, not a tree frog. You can lick a tree frog all you want. It's fine. You know what a Kestrel does? It severs the prey that it's eating with its spinal cord. Like, it will go through the spinal cord with its little beak. That's pretty fucking tough. That's smart. Okay. Thomas. Okay.

[01:38:24] Octopus. No. Come on. They're smart. He's smart. Lady Ross Turaco. Also, no. Michael. Let's get this malarkey out of the way. I'm doing the descriptor. Okay. Rascal. Mischievous. Resourceful. That's the raccoon! That's the raccoon! This is the raccoon! No! Look at that little face. Look at those two. They're one and the same. The resemblance was strong on this one. Yeah. Yeah. I really see it. Yeah, but it's like the whiskers and the mustache.

[01:38:54] It makes a lot of sense. I could see Thomas Dumpster diving, too. Who's to say? Well, who among the music? Music Industry hasn't dumped her nose. Who hasn't? Mitch Swera. This is you, dear man. Well, you said that this animal, you can lick it and be fine. It doesn't kill. So I'm going to go with the tree frog. And she is right. Yes! Wow. Marion just pulled her head up. I missed something. Did anyone lick it? No.

[01:39:23] Remember when you were licking Maria, though? She's taking a lot of hits on this one. She was the Pac-Man frog. Yeah, we're the Galapagos Portis for Maria. Yeah, we've got present, agile, all those carnival games. Uniquely talented, those carnival games. You know, Mitch has got it, you know? And look at that. They look the same. That's a strong resemblance, too. Yeah, I see it. All right. Charity, no. I see none of these things with these animals. All right. Give me the descriptors on charity.

[01:39:51] Territorial, center of attention, mysterious. Everyone's like, we've got to vote on charity, you know? Oh, center of attention is an interesting one here. You really got to know animals to understand it, though. Okay, well, that discounts everything. Well, center of attention. Zabumafu, I'm going with the Sifaka. No, no, no. Because you have to really know animals. You know, actually, amongst the lemur community,

[01:40:21] the ringtail lemur, far more well-known, despite Zabumafu being the most famous lemur in the world. Oh, well, in that case. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to go with the Lady Ross Turaco. Turaco? No, it is not the Lady Ross Turaco, Marianne, for the final steal. What's the resemblance? Because if the resemblance is high, I know exactly who it is. It's like an eight or nine. It's a pair of fish. Yes, it is. What? She's coming. Here she comes. Look at those glasses.

[01:40:51] Look at those glasses. Look at those glasses. Look at those glasses. Do you not see it, Marianne? I saw it immediately. I wish that was mine, because I would have gotten another three right there. Yeah, she would have gotten the three. Like, look at this. Look at those lips. Look at those, that posture. It's the same. This is the same picture. This is the same picture, Mike. Yeah. Corporates ask you to identify the difference between these two pictures. And can you say you know that much about a parrotfish or charity? No.

[01:41:19] I guess I want to know who would have parrotfish have voted for in the election. That's what I'd like to know. Any thoughts? No. Okay. Eva Erickson. Liana. Fellow scientist. PhD. Okay. I'm going to go with the dung beetle. No. Just work hard. No, no. Eva gathered the most wood on the island. Yeah, yeah. That's true. That's very true.

[01:41:44] Could there be a bit of a symbiotic relationship where the palm stevett has the lucrative shit and the dung beetle gathers the shit? Yeah. You know what? I might give you a half point on that. Just... Oh, thank you. Yeah. Okay. All right. Marietta, I guess it's you. Okay. Yeah. And we don't have the descriptors out there yet. What's the resemblance? The resemblance, I would say on this one is a seven. A seven. To eight. Everything's been like a six to eight.

[01:42:15] What is your scale? Well, technically... Well, Cedric was a ten. What? Is it the pronghorn? It's a four. Yes. Look at her. Oh my God. Here she comes. Classic home from behind. Yes. Classic Marianne. Classic Marianne. Classic Marianne. So we have a unique animal. So the pronghorn is the only relative, like the closest relative is a giraffe. It's not even that close. They look like an antelope, but they live in North America and they're not an antelope.

[01:42:44] And there's nothing like it here. They're their own version. They're the fastest. After the cheetah, fastest land animal in the world. Very sporty. So there you go. That's Eva. So right now we're going to the last question for Marianne. And we are at 11 points, Mike. Nine points, Marianne. Five points, Liana. Oh! Yeah. And here's your girl star after all of those star guesses. And also, Liana had the Bianca one for three points. And after guessing Bianca on everything, she didn't take it.

[01:43:14] That's why you always guess Bianca, Liana. I know. Always guess Bianca. So we have left. Does everyone know what we have left? I'm going to say it out loud. So we have the dung beetle. Yes. The sable antelope. Yes. The sea sponge. Yes. The sea foca. Yes. The lady Ross Turaco. Yes. And the dick dick. Right? Yes. Yes. Okay. And the octopus. And the octopus. And the octopus. Okay. But. So that's the one in seven shot.

[01:43:43] A little less than shot in the dark. If I just throw it off. And I'm two behind Mike. Yeah. So if you get the two points, you will tie Mike. But that means you would sacrifice one. I know. I'm not going to tie though. There's a tiebreaker. There's a tiebreaker that we're. Oh no. We're going to. We're going to either end. We're ending it this round actually. No. Because the tiebreaker is worth four points. And it's not really a tiebreaker. Okay. It's an additional question. Okay. Yeah. No. We're still going to. What's the resemblance? The resemblance here. I would say is like.

[01:44:13] I'm going to go with a nine. A nine. Look. Look closely, Mike. Is it 50 buck up? No. Dang. Yeah. That's great. I will. Give me. Give me those freaking descriptors. Omer. Authentic. Flashy. Too much or just enough? Ooh. Too much or. Okay. So never. There's. There's never too little. Too much for most. But just enough for me and some people. All right. So I'm thinking flashy.

[01:44:42] Is it lady? I keep thinking it's lady. Smith and Bozzo, but it's lady Ross. It is the lady Ross. Oh, look at that picture. Yeah. That was my 50 50. That's from the above shot where she's, you know, doing her little rap. You know, the lady Ross. So the Turaco was also actually a different species for Bruce in his second season, which was, you know, for some people he was just too much, but for others, it was exactly what we needed. The energy.

[01:45:10] And the Turaco is a very loud, gregarious, funny animal, very unique. And sometimes they're not completely, they're doing their own thing. So they're not fully aware. Like we would put the Turaco in the cage with all the bats and they would pee all over it and they would have to be like, whatever, I'm just going to do my thing. It went in with some parrots and sometimes it would get too close, get its toes bitten off. You know, they just like given their idol away. Who's to say they're going to do whatever they want. And that is that.

[01:45:39] Going into the final question, which is worth five points. You said it was worth four points. It's five. We have our tradition. We have Mike with 12 points, Liana with five and Marianne with nine. So, you know, we could have a little bit of an upset. The last question is always an abstract one and you have to win me over. The cloaca is the giver of mine.

[01:46:08] It's always the cloaca, Liana. But when it prolapses, it can be a life taker, a taker of life. Rejuvenation of life is an experience when we reshape it through the cloacal nip tuck known as the asymmetrical cloacoplasty, which is a new surgical technique that I published a few years ago. Which survivor, past or present, changed their game of disaster into a transformative masterpiece and best represents the cloacoplasty? Background on the cloaca. It's messy. It's clean.

[01:46:37] It's everything at once. Versatile. Poop, urase, eggs. They all come from the cloaca. You have to play survivor cloacally to win because you need to be social, strategic and physical. So when it prolapses, you're in trouble. Okay. I have a clarifying question, Omer. Yes. Does this need to be a survivor US player? No, it could be anybody. And it could be that they had a transformative experience within the same season or a multi-season arc. It's whatever you want it to be.

[01:47:06] And for further context, this is an image from my publication showing the technique. I don't even want to know. You didn't put your citation. It's mine. I don't need it. You're like, citation is me. I feel like the bottom diagram is like, it must be used to show how to whistle. I thought this number two is like, oh my god. Okay. I'm going to go first because I can't win and I don't care. So my answer is Camilla from this season. And let me tell you why.

[01:47:36] First of all, she was left out of what we thought was the majority alliance on SIVA. Okay. So it was that other group of four. She was left out. Then she had to do something crazy with the help of Kyle to survive the Loggie Tribal Council. And that move in and of itself put her on the trajectory to make it to the final four. It solidified her bond with Kyle.

[01:48:00] And it's definitely the Omer published surgery, perfect survivor example. You're welcome. Okay. Michael or Marianne. Either of you could go next. That was that we just got Romeo out of the way. You're welcome. You're welcome. You know, I don't want to I don't want to leave him guessing. You know, take care of that. Get that done. Okay. Let me just do a quick. I just gotta do a quick, quick double check on something.

[01:48:31] Once he's fact checking, I can go. Yeah. You can you can fact check me because I'm going to get some things wrong. But I do believe that the best school ankle past lasty is Tyson. Apostle. Okay. Okay. My man came into token change. He's just a biker, whatever. Some goofing off gets voted off, whatever. Okay. And then even worse, it keeps on going downhill. Functionally votes himself off at heroes versus villains.

[01:48:57] Gets, you know, looks at the little German man and believes in himself. He gets to go again for the third time. Blood versus water. This man is not locked in until the moment comes. His girlfriend gets voted out. And he's like, what the hell am I doing here? I can't look. He's like, why am I going to be here? I need to go. I need to transform. I need to lock in to win this money. What does he do? He wins. He gets himself in a strong alliances and the majority alliance. Jervis is not never going to flip from him. He's he can go back from redemption. I don't know.

[01:49:26] He knows this man has an idol. He found an idol. He's still like, I know that luck is on my side. I'm still going to go to rocks, even though I have an idol because I know it's going to work out for me. And guess what? It did. And what happens at the end of blood versus water? Tyson goes and wins the game. His cloaca is shut. And just like surgeries and just like surgeries, there's always a risk that the surgery isn't going to last forever. And we see that at winners at war. Okay. If the cloaca is a little bit loose, it's fine.

[01:49:55] He has to come in, get it shut up again, goes back from edge of extinction, back to the focus. But you know, a lot of times when you have multiple surgeries, you have comorbidities and unfortunately the bird passed away and that's Tyson. Wow. Speak on it. Okay. Okay. Like she has been going to medical school. There we go. Okay. Next. Michael. All right.

[01:50:18] I am going to spoil the last two seasons of a little franchise called Survivor South Africa for everybody out there. If you do not wish to hear said spoilers in my argument, please tune ahead a couple of minutes because let me tell you all regale you with the story of a young man by the name of Dino Paulo. Dino is a massive Survivor fan.

[01:50:45] He is an escape room artist in a manner of speaking. And Dino came on to Survivor South Africa, Immunity Island, and had what I have personified until Andy came around as the worst first episode for anyone who has not voted out in Survivor history. Dino is able to earn immunity from the first tribal council. He then proceeds in the middle of the challenge to beg the other tribe to throw the challenge,

[01:51:16] saying, help me, Paul, towards one particular member in the hopes that he would be safe, despite the fact that he was already safe. Dino was running around like a chicken with his head cut off, almost mid-prolapse, quote Kowaka, despite the fact that he was firmly covered and shrouded with the idea of individual immunity. He cannot get out of his own way, and he absolutely made a muck of everything, firmly putting himself on the bottom of the tribe.

[01:51:45] What's more, Dino was swapped, screwed. He was voted out in the pre-merge of his first season, where he was never able to really recover from the absolute disaster that the first three days were, but he was given a second chance. The very next season, Survivor South Africa, Return of the Outcast, Pitt, pre-merge against post-merge standouts from previous seasons. And Dino was able to showcase just what a second chance can do to a person. He was able to finally make fortified allies.

[01:52:13] He was able to pull off some of the biggest blind sides that the franchise had ever seen upon the biggest power players at the time. He was able to win individual immunities from the meat men that were around him. And there was even disaster contained therein. One time in Survivor South Africa season nine, Dino fell asleep at the fire and he fell into the fire and he burned Michael Scoop and got them bandaged up where he looked like he was a little seal boy.

[01:52:44] I did. I wasn't even looking at the face. I was looking at the pause and I could tell that he was a seal boy, but he had his hands firmly wrapped around the game, even if they were bandaged AF. And he was somebody who made his dreams come true, won his second season in a handy fashion and a seven to two jury vote, proving to be one of the more dominating winners of a Survivor season. Absolutely bananas to watch a guy who was begging the other tribe to throw a challenge in his very

[01:53:12] first episode to winning a season and making an absolute exhilarating experience culminate in such an incredible way on his second one. If that's on a Chloé capacity, I don't know what is. Beautiful. I think that Liana's answer was very good. However, Liana's answer reflects a simple one-time Chloé prolapse. You put some stay sutures in, you don't plasty it, and then it ends up being great if they're

[01:53:38] on birth control and you stop petting it below the neck and sexually stimulating your bird. And so that's like a very simple pathway to recovery without needing a little Chloé nip tuck. I think that both Marianne and Mike Blooms fulfill the complications required to get to choacoplasty a bit better. And in fact, maybe it's Marianne's medical background, but she understood the requirement

[01:54:05] for several surgeries or attempts of fixing the situation before you go to this route. And afterwards, you have your choacoplasty. Things are going great for a while. Maybe you get a choacal lift. Maybe you want to lay a new egg because you didn't keep up with your birth control and now you have a very small hole to get out of. There's some complications after, but it can lead to a glorious life for a period of time. So I have to give it to Marianne. And with five points, she is the winner. She came from behind again. She did it again. Wow!

[01:54:35] I'm so happy that this ended how Mother Nature intended for a Marianne to beat a mic. Yes! There's no other way. Yes, it always does. Ding, ding, ding. Wow. So it's style written, so it shall be. My goodness. Dad, they'll take the woman out of seminary school. She's already brought it in here. And look at that beautiful cast and their animal equivalence, of which they all look like them on a scale of six to ten, eventually.

[01:55:06] Yep. And this is your group. Great job, everyone. I hope you learned something, a thing or two, and maybe somebody will be the dung beetle next season. Or the sea sponge. You can only hope. Or the optimist. I was waiting to trap one of you into giving someone a sea sponge. Especially when you were given, like, needs all the attention. I'm like, are sea sponies secretly, like, you know, egotistical bitches? Yeah, exactly. I want all the attention on them. Absorbent. Incredible.

[01:55:35] Well, thank you, Marianne, for joining us for the game. Seriously. Thank you so much, Marianne. Congratulations on your win. This does count. If it counted for Nicole Franzel in Reindeer Games, it counts for you here. So you are now a dual winner in all things Survivor. Amazing. Thank you. I love a good come from behind. Just like Omer's surgeries. You know? Yeah. As always. Yeah. And Cedrics. And Cedrics. He loves them. My man loves Volvalus. Volvalus. You know him, Omer. You know what I'm trying to say. It's like the name of, like, a fantasy villain.

[01:56:04] Sweating your intestines twist on himself. Choke him out. Oh, yeah. Maybe that should be your tiebreaker next time, Omer. Who choked themselves out with their own intestines? Well, actually, what I was going to do is we rarely do this at the very end of the season. So I was going to pick a disease and how it killed the animal and how did that kill their game. Oh, I like that. Okay. Well, I'm already lying with bated breath for the fall to come. And we can take a look at the cast of Survivor 49 in such a specific lens.

[01:56:32] But this was such a fantastic time, as we usually do here on the B&B. We will cede the spotlight to our sea sponge in the form of our guests to give us plenty of information to absorb in terms of charity or causes that are important to them that they want the audience to know more about. So, Omer, all yours. What would you like to highlight this week? I'll do local and more broad, but I feel like Wild Ontario is an organization that has a kestrel.

[01:57:01] They have non-relatable birds of prey that they use to educate people on the human impact on wildlife. And they rely on donations to care for their birds and teach and bring the environmental impact that we have and understand that impact and help others. So it's ourwildontario.ca. And they are a local Ontario charity.

[01:57:25] The other one would be, you know, last time I was on here, we still need help for the people of Palestine who are undergoing very tough times. And it's not any better at all. So any charity that helps them out would be a good cause. Perfect. Thank you so much, Omer. Marianne, you're here. You graced us with your presence. Anything you'd like to plug for the listeners? Of course. Same with Omer. Any humanitarian aid to Gaza is very important, especially because, you know, Canada as a nation has gone and said,

[01:57:55] let's make sure we have a ceasefire to go and bring humanitarian aid. And I support that and support what my prime minister says. As for something a little more local to you, less local to me, there's this actual charity that I heard of, which I love so much. It's called Raising Men and Women Lawn Care Services. Right? So what they do is that they have teens and, like, usually men, women who are kids, and they get them to mow lawns. Like, lawns of the elderly, single parents, those who aren't able to go and mow lawns.

[01:58:23] And it's really about, like, you know, building that character of helping your community and then also really just helping someone in need and bringing that community as well to both the kids and the people whose lawns are being mowed. I think it's just, like, one of those small acts of kindness, which can be so overwhelming to do if you don't have someone to do it, but can really make such a big thing. So Raising Men and Women Lawn Care Service. I love that. I've never heard about that before.

[01:58:46] But, again, that's why I love getting to do this segment is because there are these acts of kindness and unique charities, especially, that, listen, you know, grass grows. Everyone needs one. Their lawns mowed. And, you know, the ability to have a chance to bring in the disenfranchised to be able to do that is a really incredible opportunity all around. So thank you so much, Marianne, for highlighting that, too. And thank you both so much for coming to the B&B. It was an incredible way to end the season.

[01:59:16] You know, again, as I talked about in the beginning of this podcast, there was a lot of ups and downs to this entire roller coaster of a 13-week experience. But this promptly ended on a high with the two of you coming on to bring it all to a close. I know that I believe you both are participating and have participated in, of course, the Survivor's Play Blood on the Clock Tower series, which we have over on the Rob Has a Podcast YouTube channel. For those who haven't checked it out and look, we're going to have a bit of a long offseason for us Survivor fans.

[01:59:45] If they're looking for a social strategy fix, why should they check out that series? Yeah, Omar is mean to me. And so if you love seeing Omar being mean to me, I think this is the best series to go and watch. She gaslights me. No, you're mean to me. You see what I mean? No, no. You see what I mean right there? Yeah, so he's literally so mean. She's always blaming me. I don't know what he's talking about. She's wrong half the time. No, that's just so incorrect. Maybe this is why. No. You should watch. I mean. Oh my God.

[02:00:18] We should go to therapy. Feel free to check. I mean, there is therapy that we got in the form of now four extended YouTube videos in Blood on the Clock Tower. For those who haven't experienced it, it's basically like a more complex version of Mafia or Werewolf where everyone has a specific role. There are good players. There are evil players. And it's all about sussing out who's lying and who's telling the truth. I know that there will be a couple more additions that are coming out over the summer, as well with some of our favorite Survivor players. Liana, what would you like to plug as we head into the offseason?

[02:00:48] Yes. Well, the Puyin Liana Lounge is going strong. So check that out on the RHAP YouTube channel or the Puyin Liana Lounge feed. PuyinLiana.com to find that feed. We talk about everything. And I'm sure, especially with the Survivor 50 cast dropping, we're going to talk about that. So we do talk about reality TV. Big Brother will be going on. I'm sure we'll discuss that as well over the summer. So, yeah, during the offseason, we're still going to be there chatting about everything reality TV and otherwise. Yeah.

[02:01:15] And I'm sure that Puyin, will Puyin wear the draft winning belt in every podcast or just most of them? I'm already annoyed. I'm so over it. Why don't you want to see him succeed? I know. I know. I don't. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, look, I'm happy for him. I'm also annoyed. And he even said, he's like, I'm going to be insufferable. And I'm like, yeah, you are insufferable. So more of that. Check out the Puyin Leona. Oh, my goodness.

[02:01:45] Well, you can check out everything. There we go. Well, you can check out everything I'm doing. As I mentioned before, I got the chance to talk with all of the final five contestants. Lots of really great insights from all of them. Really appreciated them taking the time out of a very celebratory but late night to wake up early and talk with this Jamoke about everything that happened in their game. Both the way that things concluded, what played into that final outcome, how they reflected back on both their game, their edit, the fan response, etc.

[02:02:12] Really highly encourage people to check that out over at parade.com. But as was explicitly mentioned, we're going to get a Survivor 50 cast reveal on CBS Mornings Wednesday morning. I believe it is 8 a.m. Eastern, 530 a.m. Pacific. You better believe I'm doing a podcast about it. Oh, my God. That's so early. You got to wake up pretty early on Survivor.

[02:02:39] Get up with the sun and get up with a bunch of these sunny contestants as we are about to see them take part in this milestone season. I'll be doing a podcast pretty much right after the cast drops, recapping everything we know about them, what our immediate thoughts are, what we're expecting in terms of possible, you know, rivalries and friendship. I am so incredibly excited to see. Again, this is something that we've never really done before as a Survivor fandom.

[02:03:07] You know, we had, I guess the closest thing would be during the Millennials vs. Gen X reunion when Jeff's like, here are six cast members of Survivor Game Changers and just had them kind of walk out and wave. This is going to be a massive rollout of what surely will be a massive cast. And I am excited to bring the breaking news as soon as it breaks down and throughout the rest of this long, long off season until then. And of course, Saturday, there's a big birthday coming up for Survivor.

[02:03:35] It's current in the big two five, the 25th anniversary of Survivor coming out on May 31st. If you missed it, I am producing a podcast series in June and July, where right now you can go to RobHistleWebsite.com slash top 25 and vote for your greatest 25 moments in Survivor history. We curated a list of 100 across every season of Survivor so far.

[02:03:58] You can pick up to 25 and then we will collate all the results and I will count them down in a series over the next couple months. So look it through. It's a fun little dance through Survivor history before we get into what the biggest and best moments are. I also have a bunch of stuff leading up to the anniversary itself, including I had a very fun chat with Matt Van Wagnan, who's one of the the executive producers of the show where he got to produce his own line of toys in a manner of speaking.

[02:04:28] I asked him about who are his top 25 non-winning players. And he said, I'm going to come to you with more of an out of the box idea. He came up with an action figure line of Survivor players where he said the first wave, of course, is going to be all winners. So who are going to be the people in the second wave who are going to be these non-winning players that played games that were notable enough and iconic enough to get action figures made about them?

[02:04:51] And then on May 31st, I will bring to you Jeff Probst top 25 seasons of Survivor. So let your predictions be known. The man has spoken and we will see exactly what they will be in less than a week's time. And of course, plenty of other stuff as well. We've got Big Brother coming down the pike, as Liana says, other scripted and unscripted stuff happening. You can check out everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type.

[02:05:20] And that's going to do it for our season 48 coverage on the B&B. Liana and I are always so incredibly grateful for not only those who stopped by and get to come and engage in our general malarkey, but of course, everyone who follows along week after week. You know, sometimes even if the episodes are not of the most climactic quality, we'll always find reasons, Liana, to kind of just like, come on here, shoot the shit. Certainly, I think error grievances about what we might may not like, but largely focus on the random shit that we do.

[02:05:49] And it makes me incredibly grateful to be a Survivor fan, especially during times where, again, the material on screen may not be the most savory. We've got a weird ass dish prepared for you at this veritable buffet. So I'm excited to hopefully have people take up another plate coming in the fall with Survivor 49. Exactly. Our goal is to have fun. OK, fun and games. We're here for the fun. We're here for the games. We're here for the dangerous fun and the dangerous games. So, yeah, that's that's our MO. And we're going to be bringing that in the fall for Survivor 49.

[02:06:17] Not to be forgotten with the Survivor 50 cast announcement. How can it be forgotten? We have to talk about the man, the myth, the legend, R-I-Z-G-O-D, Riz God, baby. No, not Riz God. We have to talk about Riz God and the rest of the cast of 49. I got the chance to go out there on set to do preseason interviews, and it was a very fun time. So I'm really looking forward to people getting to know this cast as we get closer to the premiere day, probably in late September.

[02:06:46] Of course, I want to thank each and every person who came on to the podcast and engaged in Liana's aforementioned dangerous fun and dangerous games. We've got Taryn Armstrong, Jessica Lease, Sasha Joseph, Marianne Oketch, Franny Marin, Josh Wiggler, Adam Chase from Jetlag, Puya, Dwight Moore. We've got Maggie Morgan, Laura Gerard, Jordan Kalish, Chantal Francis, Amon Adwin, and last but certainly not least, Omer and his always incredible Animal Game.

[02:07:14] And of course, Scott St. Pierre, the entire team behind the scenes at RHAP, and Rob Cessarino for packaging all this nonsense for your eyes and ears all season long. And Will from America, who will be singing this theme song with his dulcet tones one last time before we take a break for the summer. This has been such a great time, as always. Thank you all again so much for listening and for the kind words about this show. It truly does mean the world.

[02:07:40] Liana and I will be back in the fall covering Survivor 49 here on the RHAP B&B. Until then, everybody, we'll check you out at your next stage. Mike and the Anna gather playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-P-B-B. Mike and the Anna gather playing some games.

[02:08:10] You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-P-B-M-E.