Survivor 48 B&B Ep 9 with Maggie Morgan and Laura Girard

[00:00:00] Mike and the Anna gather playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super late. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A-U.

[00:00:30] Hi, everybody, and welcome to the R-H-A-P B&B for week nine of Survivor 48. My name is Mike Bloom. I am back. Sadly, Liana and I like two ships passing in the night. Of course, she is undergoing her own big move as we're going to talk about a very big move on this week's Survivor. So please, if you're out there on the interwebs, wish her well. But listen, we may not be whole, but we're not going to skimp on a podcast for you this week.

[00:01:03] It's an episode that is filled to the brim, certainly more than 2% of content to talk about. And we'll be memorializing a man who was certainly not lactose intolerant, intolerant of his behavior. But let's get into it with not one, but two absolutely wonderful guests to break down not only this episode, but to get their thoughts on the season as well as just Survivor in general.

[00:01:27] First, let me welcome in the familiar face of always fantastic Maggie Morgan. Maggie, how are you? Hi, Mike. I'm doing amazing. I'm so excited to be here. I'm sad I'm missing Liana this week, but wishing her a great and smooth move. And yeah, I'm excited to chat. I'm excited about who's with me and excited to get started. Well, let's talk about who's with you because she's at about like the proximity that Shaheen was to Joe when he was whispering in his ear late at night. There we go.

[00:01:54] That's a true wombat gesture right there. I'm thrilled to welcome this person to the B&B. She is an online fitness coach. She is the guru behind the Energy Academy. Most importantly, she is the guest on this week's RHAP B&B. So happy to welcome for the first time Laura Gerrard. Hi, Laura. Hi. I'm so happy to be here. Oh my God. This is so fun. We're so happy to have you. I mean, I guess the first thing I want to start with was just widening the scope outside of this episode, outside of this season.

[00:02:22] Let's talk about your access point to Survivor in general. I'm always intrigued, especially in the post Netflix era, to hear about people's origin stories with the show. So what's yours? I'm a new fan. I'm a little ashamed to say that. I started watching in 2021. I was a Big Brother fan growing up, and that's actually something we bonded about in college. And then I always thought Survivor was kind of like Big Brother on the beach. I didn't realize they had to like survive.

[00:02:51] And in fact, it's like you would actually like this. You should watch this. And so I started with Kageyan in 2021. And I've been watching all the recent seasons. I went back. I'm trying to do a chronological rewatch. But, you know, that slows down a little bit. But I just started season 10. Okay. Yeah. So I wouldn't consider myself a casual. I know all the lore. But new fan. Fake fan. The chronology, though. Because I did the same thing. I started at one and went on.

[00:03:21] And like, I now do feel strongly about the Shannon Gus system. If you can find the chart, get the chart. She always has. She texted that to me and was like, if you're going to do this, you have to do it the right way. Awesome. That's interesting. Because I don't know. So you are the ones that have been more experiential with my personal recommendation, which is the chronological method of like, if you're going to do it, start from the beginning. I felt like I'm committed. Like I had done. I did Kageyan.

[00:03:47] And then I went back and did 6, 7, 12, 13, 16, 20, or 15, too. And then I was like, well, I'm not. I'm already half assing this. I might as well whole ass it. But it took me like three months to get through Borneo. Because I was like, tick tock. Let's pick this up a little bit. I'm saying like, if you start from one and move on, like, you're going to lose people at like Thailand. You know, that took me like a month. Well, yeah.

[00:04:16] But what I usually recommend people is like, if you have a season that you're not into, then just skip to the next one. Like, not every episode is not mandatory viewing. But, you know, if you're watching something, because I think the other thing that also comes, we're all living, breathing souls that have very different tastes in a variety of things. And so there's also something where like, you could watch a well-acclaimed season and be like, that was kind of mid. And then you're like getting to the bottom of the gust system. And you're like, oh, wait, I actually really like this season that nobody really likes. Totally. Survivor Fiji. Love Survivor Fiji.

[00:04:46] I'm a Survivor Fiji truther. Obviously, I was on the Gabon podcast. I'm a big Gabon girl. So, you know. Can I quote you on that? Yes. I think that Maggie Morgan, big Gabon girl. Big Gabon girl. That's what we always say about her. Big Gabon girl. But I also think like, I think that's maybe I'm Shannon's like completionist only is Gabon. But, you know, something for everybody. Well, regardless of how you watch Survivor, it only matters if you watch Survivor. And that brings us to this season, this episode. So I'm curious.

[00:05:16] You know, it's actually really interesting, Laura, because you talk about whether or not to go back and binge these old school seasons. And for what it's worth, I actually feel like 48, and this comes with benefits and drawbacks, is maybe one of the most like old school tastes seasons in the new era, which I think is interesting because I think a lot of the meta around the new era is it's only full of super duper fans who have to play super fast and super hard. And everyone's strategizing. Everyone's saying good game, guys. And Pat's on the back and all that stuff.

[00:05:45] And I feel like in many different ways, Survivor 48, again, for better or for worse, is kind of the exception to that rule. Yeah. Do you think we hit like the super fan breaking point where now we've cycled around to looking for people who are less familiar? I remember listening to the preseason interviews and David, are we allowed to say? Yeah. Oh, you're amazing. Like David not knowing who Jeff Probst is, like that's going to add a different flavor to a season. It has to. Yeah.

[00:06:15] I mean, David, if like we're just going to like jump in. We got it. We got to dive right in. Yeah. We're just going to jump in. And I texted Laura while I was watching the episode and was just like, it's so funny because David is so right and also so bad. Like I the combination of like, you know what's going on. And he was completely correct. But the execution was just like so wrong in so many different ways.

[00:06:39] And I said that I think we were robbed of seeing David in the Big Brother house being an early jury flame out. Oh, my God. Yeah. David's like one week on the block early jury flame out would have been. It would have been like Pauly Califiore, you know. Do you think he would freak out, though? Like, I think you can say a lot of things about how he played, but he doesn't seem like. No. I was the big thing. He was he was so, quote unquote, paranoid. Right.

[00:07:08] They're like, oh, my God, he's running around doing all this stuff. So imagine that magnify within the creature comforts and being able to like fist a gallon of milk every day like you want. He's just too. He's just too assertive. Like, that's the thing. He he was really assertive about what he wanted to do, which then made all of when you're playing with all of the other leader type assertive people like they're not going to like that. You know, and that's the issue when you're like strong people stay strong.

[00:07:36] It's like, no, you want people in your alliance that will listen to you. So, like, why are you trying to align with people who and I understand the meat shield thing? I was just like, David, like, yes, you are completely correct. Look to your left. There's a bunch of people who will vote with you on this, who will vote out Shaheen, who will. You know what I mean? It's just he just couldn't.

[00:07:59] He was that he didn't have the one thing that I said, actually, last week when I was guesting on the Amazing Race podcast with Jess, I was saying the number one thing you need in all of these games. Amazing Race, Survivor, Big Brother is adaptability. Like, you have to be able to adapt your game plan and play with the people you're playing with and look around and be like, this isn't working. I need to do something different. And David just like was not adaptable. Do you feel like it hurt him not having seen, like, at least a handful of seasons?

[00:08:26] Because I feel like with David, when he speaks, when he talks about what he sees that's going on, he's right. Like, his instincts are good. Yes, that's what I'm saying. But you know how it's like, oh, everybody's playing chess and he's playing checkers. Like, no, he's seeing the game, but it's like everybody else is seeing, like, words in the branches of the trees. And he's seeing, like, the bead slide puzzle at the dentist where he's like, we want him out, so we get him out. They're working together, so we get them out.

[00:08:53] And there's a nuance. I think it's a good question. I think where it really comes in handy is the timing of it all. Like, again, I will repeat with what you both said, but a lot of people have been saying that David does have, from what he expresses, good intuition outlook. Was it 100% accurate? No, I think the whole, like, remember the whole reason why he was led onto this path in the first place, because he erroneously believed, well, Shaheen picked Camilla for that challenge. And therefore, they're working together. But can I push back on that? Please, Emily, go ahead.

[00:09:23] It looks like, like, Shaheen in the next episode is like, I want to make a move. Which is wild, because Camilla and Kyle, two days beforehand, had thrown Shaheen under the bus by being like, I think he has an idol, David. Like, such an odd arc. But all that is to say that I think that, like, I think his understanding of social, like, standings and groupings is really salient. I think he does a good job of being able to clock that and being observant of his surroundings.

[00:09:53] I think where it falls short is in a couple ways. First, it's this idea of, like, almost electability in a way of, like, your platform can be incredibly strong and complicated. But if you're not communicating it in a very good way, if you don't have that electability to you, then, like, people are not going to listen. They're not going to have a social game. What if he just, like, never got to the end of a season and he doesn't know what the jury does? Yeah. He's like, it's the fire making and then that's it.

[00:10:23] He's like, it's going to be an arm wrestle. What's the end game? I think if we can criticize him for anything strategy wise, in good faith, it's a lack of understanding of the end game. Because even if you got to the final six with Mary, with Joe and Eva, with Shaheen, with Kyle, why would you be the person people voted for if you're the one picking fights? If you're the one, like, pushing, pushing, pushing? Did he think he was just going to comp out until the end? I don't think he sees himself that way.

[00:10:53] He certainly did not. I watched a couple of the exit interviews and, like, he came in hot on a couple of those. I was like, whoa. He was so forward as to tell me that apparently Chrissy and Cedric both told him at Ponderosa that they would have voted for him had he sat in the end. So to answer your question as to, like, why does he keep pursuing this strategy when you have people like Camilla and Starr at Tribal Council being like, yeah, you probably shouldn't do this.

[00:11:21] He's saying, no, you're the ones that are wrong, actually. They said that I was right in what I was doing. Yeah, sure. He's a real renegade. He's a real free thinker. And honestly, I agree with Fishback with what he said on the No Dolls this week. I loved him on this season. What a fabulous villain. Oh, great. He was a villain. He was right, but also not good at execution. Yeah. I loved watching him.

[00:11:49] I think he would be great to maybe not for like something like 50, but I think if you are ever going to do like another heroes villain season, get him on the villains tribe. I think that he's really fun to watch. And I thought he brought a ton to the season. Like I, I really, I think he's a great survivor character. I, I was, I was not sad to lose him because I felt like this was exactly for the story arc. Like this, I was like, yeah, this is the moment for this. Right. But I, I really enjoyed his presence on the season.

[00:12:17] If I'm like, I know it probably seems like based off of what I said earlier that I'm like not a fan, but like huge fan of him giving us something to talk about and like root against. I feel like everyone on this season is a character. Yeah. And with David, especially like, how do I say that? How do I want to say this? It is fun to go back and watch old seasons of survivor pre Twitter consciousness. Yeah. And I feel like he gave us shades of that. And I was very grateful for that. That's the thing.

[00:12:41] He was very much like, uh, the reason why he was so upfront about who he was wasn't necessarily about social media backlash and more so, I think just him being like, because I'm awesome. And you should all realize how awesome I am. He said, basically I'm a badass. Yeah. And he lived down every second of that syllable. I mean, the other thing to go back to, you know, where, where he went wrong and whether his, you know, lack of, of seasonal information affected this, I think it might've come from, you know, looking back to what Shaheen was able to plan.

[00:13:10] When we find out this big extreme ways flashback that starting like four or five days ago, he was already starting the crusade against David. I think that's something that you learn through, through watching enough and knowing how much things time out. Whereas to your point, I think David was only thinking like two or three days ahead, not necessarily. All right. If I set up this move, then therefore we're going to set up this move next. He was very much like, all we have to do is just get to the six. And then from there, I'll figure things out.

[00:13:35] Mike, I have a question about Shaheen and the way the show is portraying him. And I want, I want to get your take on it. And yours too, Laura. We haven't talked about that. I'm here. I do feel I saw a great survivor, Drew Basile in BBC or BCC. What is it? The, um, I saw him on the BBC. No, no. Oxford, but, uh, the BCC. Yes. Check it out.

[00:14:01] If you want some, uh, live messages from some of your survivor favorites and also me talking about the show at the time. Um, so I saw him post something on there during the episode that I was like, yes. And he said that Shaheen is getting the teeny edit where it's like, this is somebody who should be a good survivor player. But like the show is kind of giving them like dodo music in the background when they're talking strategy a little bit or like portraying them as like, well, obviously this is what's going on.

[00:14:30] And then being like, womp, womp, because it's not. Um, and so I'm interested in this story that they're portraying about him because I'm like, does this mean, you know, like tinfoil hat? This is the losing finalist. Like what? And we're trying to explain why, like, are we, are we maybe setting us up for like, oh, he's about to like really get his footing under him. And wow, what a comeback story here. Like, I'm just intrigued by that and interested in what you guys think. What do you think, Laura?

[00:15:01] I'm surprised you're reading into the edgic that much. I feel like you're usually sort of against that, but I'm interested. Yeah. You also love Shaheen. I do. We do love Shaheen. Well, I, yes, I would like to see him and chat with him in life. Hey, Shaheen. I mean, now that you know the way he can approach you, if he really has something secret to his eye for you. Just grab my face. Just grab my face at an event. She really responds well to that. Well, that's the thing, though. I mean, I do think that, you know, there's a lot of loud music, a lot of voices at the event.

[00:15:26] It actually feels like sometimes you have to really get up into someone's ear to like actually communicate and hear what the other person is saying. So maybe Shaheen's way of doing things, yes, maybe in a post-pandemic world is not the best, but it does work in effectively communicating what you need to do. Yeah. Yeah. I could have watched an hour of him slowly sinking back into that hammock with his eyes just staring straight. That's like the freaking Babadook. Like that image of him going down the hill and just the shadow looming over the horizon of like, what are you doing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:56] If I can go really like bird's eye view for a second, that theory makes a lot of sense to me. I feel like, sorry, I do listen to On Fire with Jeff Probst. No, it's great. It's great. No, I feel like Jeff has a vision of what it means to be a survivor that he is like trying to establish autonomy from the role of the super fan and also the casual.

[00:16:23] Because his point is always, he always underscores like, you know, he's probably the person on earth who knows the most about survivor. I think that's a safe thing to say. And he's always like, but I've never played. I don't know. I don't know if I do well. And I think he's really seems really passionate about establishing that like the game is what tests you and you cannot be your own control of how you will play. Like the island tests you.

[00:16:50] The game itself will expose how you are as a player and what you've predetermined for yourself will not like everything comes out in the wash. So people, you know, Rachel didn't really get that at it last season, even as a super fan, because Rachel won. It works for her.

[00:17:09] But with a Shaheen, with a teeny, someone who is clearly like so cerebral about the game and so quick and also has a bit of the meta commentary going on. Like I'm thinking about Shaheen doing the tribal voices during, during the challenge. Like Shaheen is the other end of the scale from David, who's sort of, you know, he's big, like might makes right. If I, if everybody likes me and I win the challenges, then I should win.

[00:17:38] There's like a path in the middle, which is like who the island selects. You know, like I feel like Jeff embraces this super fan culture, but he's also like, it's not the same. It is not being good at knowing how to be good at Survivor is not being good at Survivor. And I think that that's super fair of a perspective for Jeff to have, like talk about armchair quarterbacks. Like I am like the biggest arm. But I would, in fact, not go on Survivor because I could not handle it.

[00:18:06] Like, and I'm sitting here and I'm being like, David should have done what? Like I'm like a total armchair quarterback. So I totally get Jeff being like that. That would be his perspective. And I do think that that makes sense, that that's something that then he would focus on in the sort of production editing of the show in general. I mean, what I will say, going back to your question is like not to push back against the great lanky blankie himself and Drew Bacille. I don't see the comparison.

[00:18:31] Now, I could see a universe where you're like, oh, if we're putting out the nuances of the David targeting that. That, yes, while Shaheen had this plan. You know, I think a lot of people largely credit this move to Kyle, you know, especially because Kyle was more of the present sort of push behind it, that he was the one that was getting into it with David more. He was the one that was starting to go to people like Joe and being like, look at what he's doing. Shouldn't we get rid of him?

[00:18:55] That to me is a little different from Teenie, who we saw actively get left out of stuff, you know, like and granted, maybe it's because it's a difference of two seasons. And Shaheen, with the exception of the Thomas vote, hasn't really been left out of anything. I haven't seen many situations where Shaheen has no idea what's going on or Shaheen walks in confidently to tribal council thinking like, all right, buddy, it's your time to go. And then gets completely bum puzzled with one exception. Teenie was sort of the Charlie Brown of 47.

[00:19:22] And that's not only that, he also had a little bit of like the Lucy energy where he was like, all right, I listen, I've kicked so many footballs in my lifetime. This one's no different. And yet falls on his face every single time. So I don't necessarily know where this is going to lead to for Shaheen. I think that survivor edits with maybe a couple of exceptions have gotten a little more complicated in recent seasons. And I think it also depends on what the course of the season is like Kenzie, for instance, not have a spotless edit.

[00:19:51] But I think part of that is because she got blindsided at one point and lost her number one ally. I think when those mental foibles and traps happen, the editors are going to showcase it. If they don't, then they're not going to show them. Yeah. Yeah. And they have shown Shaheen quite a few times, like cut back to back with Kyle telling us what his plan is and putting it into action. Then Shaheen gives us his version of events and it's deeply misaligned. And he's not wrong for thinking that.

[00:20:21] And he's going to end up fine. And we've highlighted a couple of times, like Kyle getting one over on him. Like Kyle specifically, like being like, oh, yeah. And I mean, like, I'm lying to Shaheen. I mean, the whole thing, the whole thing with going through the bag. Right. He simply went through Kyle's bag. It's like, how did this guy not find anything? It was basically sticking my front pocket. Shaheen being like, there is no way Kyle would lie to me. I could spot it.

[00:20:46] Don't you see in like three weeks, Shaheen like tooth and nail defending Kyle and Camilla being like, there's no way they're working together. They're both my number ones. And I'm pulling all over both of their eyes. Yeah. And it's just like, I mean, Kyle and Camilla, those are my babies. Like that's the whole season to me. That's that's Troy and Gabriela. I mean, like I'm like, they have. The whole island. Kyle's got his little pod. And then Camilla. Oh, I do like the Troy and Gabriela comparisons, too, because it's very much like a jock and brain. Right. Right.

[00:21:15] Well, obviously, Camilla is my favorite. Come on. Like, come on. That's our winner. Yeah. Yeah. She's a girl. She's a girl. Just like us. She's just a girl. You know, did you like I mean, I was thinking about like, OK, the second week in a row, I guess, like second day in a row for Camilla that she's making a reference to David and even enjoy trying out for the Olympics. Then I did remember that I believe the Olympics were happening in Paris at the time that the season was being filmed. So clearly it was on the brain for her that she was making myriad references about it.

[00:21:41] Plus, she was surrounded basically by like, did you take a left turn at the wrong country and you wound up in Fiji and you're playing Survivor instead of hurling a discus somewhere in France? Yeah, I mean, I think that it's really frustrating. Like, I do think the meta conversation happening right now in the game is fairly interesting. Like, you know, Survivor is not like that's why it's outwit, outplay, outlast. Like there are three parts of it.

[00:22:08] Like it is a game that most anyone can win. And this sort of meta conversation we're having about like all of these people who are huge challenge threats, like should be sticking together so that they're not picked off. Like, I don't know necessarily that I agree that that's like always the situation. But I do think that it's fair for them to want to do what's best for them the same way that it's fair for Camilla to be like, go to the Olympics.

[00:22:32] If you like, I want to have justice because everybody wants to feel like it's the conversation that they have about who's deserving. Everybody wants to feel as though they are deserving. And there are so many different ways to play the game. And I think that that's why each system or each season becomes its own ecosystem about like, what do we value? Yeah. And that's then that's the conversation last week. Right. And it's a sad state of affairs.

[00:22:57] And I do feel bad for someone like Chrissy, as an example, for her basically stating like, shit, well, maybe I didn't wind up on a season with a bunch of people that wanted to play admirably and compare each other's muscle mass. Yes, I do a lot better. But like the fact of the matter is, to your point, Survivor every season is about building a society. And no matter what, even if you're starting from square one, a society will contain sort of like edicts that dictate what passes and that will create inevitably insiders and outsiders.

[00:23:24] And so it's just a matter of and we have this conversation all the time as fans of like, how would so and so do on another season with a different cast? This is part of the reason why they say so much of Survivor is luck. Sometimes it comes down to even who you're putting on a tribe with or who you're put on a season with in general. That could cast the die in favor of or against you winning this game. I just know if I hadn't eaten in a week and I walked into that challenge and I saw yet another biceps competition, I'd be yelling. I would sit down in the sand. I think really, Jeff?

[00:23:53] Yeah. Yeah. Jeff would hate to see me coming at a biceps competition. Oh, my God. What did you make of the the reward reveal? It was so. And listen, I give credit to Jeff for like really sometimes trying to sell the lemons of rewards. Not literally revenue, but sort of like, all right, I'm going to market this to you like it's a Maserati when actually, you know, it's like a 2014 Saab. Like, all right, ham and cheese wraps, peach cobbler, crackers.

[00:24:23] I know you've been craving crackers out there. I think it's better than Applebee's. Did they like forget to order crafty that day? Like where, where do you think? Ham and cheese wraps doesn't sound appealing. That's I think out there, though, like you want the protein. Like that's all you care about. Like I've heard survivors say like we didn't want a chocolate cake. We wanted like chicken, you know, like we needed the protein. Like peanut butter is better than like a cake. I mean, my hot take is I think it was a cup. It might have been it might have been the Applebee season.

[00:24:52] It might have been the season. Jeff got roasted because he was like crisp Caesar salad. And I was like, if I hadn't had like a cold glass of water in a couple weeks, the idea of eating romaine lettuce, like that would make me salivate. I think he was well within his rights to make that exciting. And cheese wrap sounds sweaty and limp. Yeah, I mean, and much like a lot of those guys out there by the end of it. But I think that to your point, is it this is it maybe it's a temperature thing.

[00:25:20] Maybe it's like what really sells the reward is the coldness of it, especially when you're out there in Fiji. And most of the time it is very sweaty and hot, like anything refrigerated. I imagine would be enough to sort of get your pulse going like milk, like milk. OK, so Laura, I mean, not to say you're like, you know, the capital and nutritionist. But like, can you speak to this chocolate milk phenomenon? Because obviously this is confirmed by not one but two castaways this season that they use it for muscle mass.

[00:25:52] I mean, I think it's like pretty balanced, like protein, carb, fat wise, especially if you're doing chocolate milk with like some sugar in it. And if you're like trying to bulk up and you're just, you know, part of part of what you have to fight, if you are like trying to put on a lot of body mass is just like at a certain point, your body doesn't want to eat more food.

[00:26:15] And a sneaky way to do that is to get in liquids instead of like having to eat a meal because we have a lot of like fail safes in our body of like too much. So you don't notice it if you're just like carrying around a gallon of milk all day, I guess. How fast are they drinking that before it gets up to room temperature? That's what freaks me out. Can I just say, um, milk? Like if I had half a glass of milk, I'm cheating my pants. Like what?

[00:26:46] Do these men not have lactose issues? I'm pretty sure their colon is just like painted over at this point, like wallpapered over. Like that's nothing's coming out of there. I don't understand. I have quite a sensitive stomach. Like I have many allergies, but like milk is the number one. Absolutely not. Do not enter. Do you know what a bear plug is? I'm scared.

[00:27:10] Like a bear, the animal, when they hibernate for the winter, like all their waste just collects in their lower intestine. No, I imagine that's the chocolate milk effect. Perfect. That you just ingest enough that it just sort of like accumulates in your body. I mean, that's, that's a hell of a hack for like, you know, some of these challenges where it's like you have to lift up X percent of your body weight.

[00:27:33] Like that'd be a great way to just sort of evacuate the club right before opening night to be like, all right, I don't have to lift up that much anymore. It was all building up there, but now just flush out nice and easy. Literally. Oh my gosh. I just can't believe milk. Like, and not because I think it's gross. Like I loved milk before it was no longer, it no longer loved me. I just like don't know any like adult person. Like most adult people like can't. They're not that lactose tolerant. Yeah.

[00:28:02] Can't drink a gallon of milk every day. Have you ever like tried to eat a yogurt too fast when you're like leaving the house in the morning? You're like. Yeah. That's what I imagine. That's where it is for me. It's the volume. Like, is it just that you're bringing it to a workout instead of your because we've seen people at the gym carrying around these like gallons of pull in spring, right? Like, is it just doing that instead of milk? So it's like, all right, I'll take a swig of this before I hit the triceps because that I don't know. That sounds even worse to me. Yeah, I like.

[00:28:31] I guess if it's do they say if it was 2% or whole, I think they said I imagine it was whole milk. I think David said his preference is whole milk. Mike, when you talk to Joe, eventually you got to ask. You got to ask all about the milk. But people need to know. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like, it's probably something a lot of people's bodies would prefer rather than just doing like three servings of protein powder. It's also probably way more cost effective. So if you can't tolerate it, like.

[00:29:01] Well, I don't know. In this economy, honestly, the milk itself might be more expensive than any protein powder you're taking in. And more dangerous.

[00:29:38] Yeah. Anyone from like the past 10 seasons of the show. Someone who is maybe one of the physically biggest people there, but like did not let any of that stop him from just coming in being like, yeah, I'm going to win this. I don't really know the game, but like I'll have the game know me. And so I also really love this episode, too, because it felt so old school in that like there. I would say we're not in a voting blocks portion of this season right now. And it really is like an alliance and outsiders.

[00:30:07] And so to actually just spend the hour and a half peeking into this one alliance singularly falling apart. Yes. And unfortunately, it comes at the cost of like with the exception of one swim lesson, like basically hearing nothing from the people that are outside of the alliance. And I personally, that was like invigorated by all of these scenes of people trying to talk to each other about, you know, Kyle trying to pit even Joe against David trying trying the same thing. Even Joe going back and forth. David putting his foot in his mouth time after time.

[00:30:37] I thought it was just especially after, honestly, the past couple of weeks of pretty straightforward votes. It was really fascinating to me to watch this like just slow disintegration of this ironclad majority over the course of an hour and a half. Yeah. Delicious. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't believe when they were all sitting on the beach together in daylight, just openly talking about being being the best people. So strong.

[00:31:03] I think, though, that's like the strong person hubris of it all. Right. That's like, well, we are who can beat us if we're all, you know, sitting here like this. And I think that, like, you know, I I loved the swim lesson with star. I'm so excited to hear from everybody next week. I can't wait to hear what Mitch has cooked up. I'm like ready for him to to come and play. OK, I don't understand how Mitch didn't get on the strong people's alliance.

[00:31:31] Like, I know, like this guy, this guy is arguably one of the better challenge performers. Like he's a whiz kid at everything of the season because it's because it's not about strong people. You know, it's a real big. Yeah. I will say, though, like Mitch, again, has this incredible story and is amazing in challenges. I do think that I say this with love.

[00:31:52] The more you listen to the actual content of his confessionals, it's like a little survivor GPT where like his confessionals are either like I'm on the out. So I hope I win immunity. Oh, no, I lost immunity. So I got to do make some big moves to survive. Like it's very interesting that he is saddled with a lot of like more expositional content, despite the fact that he's in a very unique position. He was almost voted out this week, you know, and I do think it's because he hasn't had an opportunity to do anything.

[00:32:22] This is my hope because I'm like really rooting for him. I've got my eye on him. I've had my eye on him and I hope it's because he like really hasn't had the numbers. Like there's just been no way that they could do anything up until this this week now. Like if they flip Kyle, they're set. So like I I don't know. I think we'll we'll see. Do you think they just like counted out Mitch a little too early and then they're like, shit, we didn't get any Mitch confessionals. And at the end, they sat him down and we're like, say one good thing.

[00:32:52] Now say one bad thing. Now say one thing. If what happened is medium. And they just kind of like pepper or take the most neutral statements possible. Like, all right, this could apply to basically anything. They're all Mitch in there somewhere. I also think that it's just like classic, you know, that's what they do in the DR and Big Brother to where it's like, tell us for like the basic people who need the survivor GPT. Like what what you need to happen tonight.

[00:33:19] Now, the exact opposite side is star who hasn't gotten much. But what she's done is incredible. Star. Oh, yeah. Is a star. She's amazing. I think like even, you know, we haven't gotten much of her in this early jury phase or like this merge phase. But I do feel like her coming out party is happening next week. I'm for next week. Well, she had this amazing scene and I posted about this on social media.

[00:33:45] We're like she just comes like sauntering out of the jungle, holding a coconut, be like, all right, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. But I've got an idea. How about we vote Shaheen? And David and Mary just say, no, we're not going to do that. But here's another idea. She's like, OK, whatever. And listen, I will obviously separate the artist from from the art here that I think that she is giving me not Michael Richard vibes, but very big Kramer vibes where it's like this very unique offbeat energy, kind of always eating something.

[00:34:14] Just kind of walk it into these conversations, be like, all right, I got this big idea. You know, even her tribal council be like, all right. So what Camilla is saying over here is just such like a fun, energetic persona, again, especially amidst while all of these these majority alliance members are like tearing their morality asunder, being like, do I break my word? And do I vote David out? Stars over here like laughing up a storm. There's a secret scene where she's she tries to test Joe and Shaheen by going up to them and being like, who's in your final three?

[00:34:43] And when they say that they don't know, she's like, that was a test and you failed. Like she is just an absolute wild card. And to your point, Maggie, I'm hoping that now that the deck is thinning out a little bit, she'll she'll pop to the surface. Stars running the B plot and you kind of wish they would all just turn to camera and be like star. Yeah, yeah. The Spider 48 writers room is like, well, shit, we got, you know, X amount of minutes to cover. Let's let's how about star gets a job here somewhere. Somewhere I'm sure start getting a job anywhere is could provide a lot of fun along the way.

[00:35:11] They just ask star to do a puzzle with no, no risk, no reward. Well, we saw what happened with that last time. She would be like, all right, everybody get in here. Family puzzle. So good. All right. So as we do every week here on the BNB, Liana and I decided to sit down and write out preseason predictions of how we thought David was going to do. Liana did send me her prediction and we'll see who is more on the money about the man, the myth, the legend here. So let me go to Liana.

[00:35:42] OK, interesting. Liana, much like some people in the strong person's alliance prior to this episode, had David in her final three preseason. So she wrote Mr. Giga Chat himself is not in danger of going home premerge due to his challenge strength. Despite earning the nickname the Daredevil Dynamo from charity, which sounds like a comic book name from Big Brother.

[00:36:09] To your point, Maggie, David never really formed a solid alliance. Instead, he's used as a meat shield by various alliances. And she names a few here out of context, the Storm Chasers, C squared, K squared. Sounds like a scientific formula. This takes him deep into the game, landing him in the final three chairs. But unfortunately for him, as a goat, not a G-O-A-T.

[00:36:32] While the Daredevil Dynamo argues his case, he's promptly overlooked for not having any agency and being dragged along by other power players in the game. During the live reunion, David sobs about his loss over a glass of chocolate milk to producers specifically prepared for him. That's yet to be determined, Liana. That could still happen. You never know. I honestly think there's a very non-zero chance that like instead of the glasses of champagne, Jeff legitimately brings out like, All right, frosty glasses of milk.

[00:36:59] Everybody cheers to the winner, which will be weird because it won't be David. But like the impact will still be felt. David said David's ally was his biceps and his enemy was his social relationships. Hey, there we go. That's why you're from science, you know? Exactly. All right. So I did not have as lofty prospects for David. He was flying higher a bit as a wannabe stunt pilot for Liana's predictions here. I had David making the jury.

[00:37:28] So I wrote,

[00:37:59] David is a star of the challenges, not the person. He somehow contains the strength of a gorilla and the dexterity of a dolphin. When the merge hits, the stuntman tries to evade the natural target on his back with some true tactical roles. He makes a pitch to Joe and Eva saying they should work together as the biggest physical players to keep immunity away from these mere mortals. Early in the merge, David's in a tight SIVA alliance. He's the creator of the meat phalanx side deal.

[00:38:29] I guess that was my name for like this, this Joe, Eva, David dynamic phalanx. Yeah. Sort of like the, uh, the 300, like a shield barrier that they were like, all the shields come together, right? To form one giant one. Sure. So in the midst of that, he wins an immunity challenge and confidently calls his unprecedented streak of necklaces to come. But even though he thinks he's flying high, things quickly nosedive from there.

[00:38:53] The other two tribes see the SIVAs as too powerful a coalition and assemble their own slingshot to take out the opposition's Goliath, ironically named David. Following his blind side, the casual audience will make a quick push to get David onto season 50. He'll also become the most successful cast member from his season on Cameo, but he will specifically outline in his intro video that he will refuse to honor any requests that forced him to wear sleeves.

[00:39:19] His biggest ally was Camilla, then the fan base, and his biggest enemy was Joe and Eva. Well, you were honestly, I would say probably you were a bit more correct, Mike. You, you, you saw the, the fall of David coming. Hmm. But yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I think, uh, he was a big presence.

[00:39:42] I knew that to the honest point as well, like there, unless these players really want to just go wackadoo, he would probably make the merge either by not going to tribal council or like just surviving through the fact that they would need him in the challenge. But post-merge is when he would really struggle. And again, to his credit, he tried to get out in front of that by being like at the merge, let's put something together. It just was a matter of too many things happening at once, including that like wild sudden fallout of the immunity challenge.

[00:40:11] Like, I don't know why he didn't. My job dropped. Like what he should have done is come in and be like, yeah, I want to work with you like strong six totally and marry. And then without star that first vote, like Cedric star. And because then he has his Sivas and he has his strong people and he can go back and forth. Like, why does he need to focus so much on Camilla?

[00:40:41] Like, I, I just think he should have given himself more options. He got like to one track minded. That's a, that's a perfect way to put it is I think once he got to, and Chris even told this to me that like she found a moment when like David was gone, you know, like that he clearly had gotten in bed with Joe and Eva. He put all his milk cartons in that one basket. And so as a result, kind of like left the Sivas behind when again, I think a lot of other players would, to your point, try to keep those options open.

[00:41:10] I mean, that's what Kyle's doing, right? Kyle's like, I'm not going to ditch my secret number one in favor of the strong alliance. Why can't I have both at this moment? Yeah. It's very Kim Spradlin. Like that's, that's how you play that amazing game. Like, why would you be like, screw all of these people, this huge majority of people that I do have relationships with. Screw them. I'm all in on the people who like are going to beat me in challenges and in the end and have an unbreakable bond like Joe and Eva.

[00:41:38] I, which I feel like the thing I would have to remind myself all the time if I was out there and my brain was scrambled by not having food is like other people are not mysteriously bad at the game. Yep. They're like saying things to you if they're just like, oh gosh, I don't know. They know. Yeah. And you're just not in on it. And I think he was like taking some people at face value when he should have been like, why am I out in front?

[00:42:07] He's like, I have to, I have to chop Shaheen off at the knees. I have to like make sure Kyle doesn't have a secret number two. But why? Like he could have been his own meat shield like late into the game, like Jonathan. Yeah. Like he, he could have been so obvious that he never becomes the big threat. You could throw some of those challenges. You could be like, this is the one facet that exists to my whole personality. But he like, he was strategic and he was showing it.

[00:42:37] And it was just such an easy magnet to get everyone on board. Yeah. I, my prediction is if Joe isn't gone this week or next, that Joe is the winner of Survivor 48. Which is interesting because David had some rather choice words for Joe in his exit press regarding. Yeah. Regarding the whole, not only the whole you went back on your word thing, but the fact that he feels like Joe went back on his word, which is also. I mean, it's always so intriguing and I can understand why it might be frustrating for some.

[00:43:07] But I am always so incredibly titillated by the people that are like honor, loyalty, integrity, because to watch them kind of massage their words around what that means. And David's a great example where Camilla starts off this episode being like, oh yeah, you say you're playing with honor and loyalty and you're open about everything. Well, you lied to my face that I was not the decoy vote and you just told me this.

[00:43:33] So I think that the way he defines it, which is the way a lot of people do when they cop the sort of this philosophy, which is like, no, I mean to my alliance. Like you got to lie in the game of Survivor, but I would never lie to the people in my core alliance. I think that's largely what is making him feel the way he is. Even all these months later is like, all right, well, yes, I did lie to these people, but I only did it to help protect the people I actually wanted to protect. Then turned against me. I stuck to my plan.

[00:44:00] Yeah, I didn't lie because I knew what I was doing the whole time. Exactly. Yeah. Like, yes, you can say all of like all of that's true. But like, end of the day, Joe did what David wanted to do better. Yeah. Period. And he outplayed him. And like, of course, he's going to be upset about that still. Like, David's not the type of person who's going to be like, good game. Because Joe's got those people skills. You know that they're all looking at Joe and being like, daddy? Like, they literally are.

[00:44:29] No, I mean, literally every single person who wanted to make a move this episode had to approach Joe specifically for it. Like, which is wild. It's very like Tyler Crispin. It's very Austin Robb. You know, it's very like these people who have such like a presence and like they have such control over everybody just by their like leadership ability that everybody's like, okay, yes, let me just check in with my dad first and make sure it's okay before I go over to your house.

[00:44:58] I do think like David could have done that. Yeah. Like the first couple episodes, I was pleasantly surprised. I was like, he seems like Jonathan, but with like a shred of emotional intelligence. Like he can ingratiate himself. He knows when to take a backseat. And I think that just wore out a little fat. That battery drank fast. And that's what I'm saying. Like, of course, he's going to be bitter against Joe still. Yeah. He wants what Joe had. And he could have won. He could have won. He should have won that challenge.

[00:45:28] Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, that was wild. Like Joe was. And I so I started showing challenges to my son, Asher. That's the gateway drug. You know, that's the way to get him into Survivor. It's like, look at these fun games with all these colors and balls. And so he was watching and his favorite color is blue. My favorite color is green. So when it came down to Joe versus David, he's like, all right, it's your color versus my color. And then as Joe's ball was slipping, he was I could see him get so dejected. He was like, I'm going to lose. Look at that ball. And I'm like, you never give up on Survivor.

[00:45:57] That's why you never do. Because for some reason, a guy could have a muscle cramp and step off a box all of a sudden. And Joe, who's teetering on the edge and just think about, I mean, I would say the sliding doors of what would happen had David not dropped that ball. For all intents and purposes, I think the wind would have been blowing against Mary at that point that she probably would have gone instead. But still, if David had lasted in the game and lost his number one ally, would have been a very interesting situation next week as well. I also think like, you know, David winning immunity.

[00:46:28] He would have come back like with even even being even more assertive because he's safe. He would have like been even more David, I feel. So like, I think that that if that was already rubbing people like Joe and Eva, well, not Eva. Eva was never. She's bridging the gap. She wants to be everyone's friend. I do say I have to say, though, the biggest loser of this move against David is Eva, in my opinion. I think this exposes her in a way that she doesn't see or understand right now.

[00:46:57] And I know she didn't want to do it. But I think like if David stays, if they do get to the six with the strong six, she has an idol. She has her safety without power. Like she basically like she's Joe's number one. Like she's in the final three. But I think this is really exposing for her. I think that this vote like she could be the vote, you know? Yeah, I don't disagree. I think that, you know, there's a lot of weighing back and forth as to whether or not this was the right move for Joe and Eva in particular.

[00:47:26] I could see a way next week where it really does feel like, OK, this was sort of like the squeaky wheel. Now we can drive forward like we were or if we didn't have problems with each other. The only problem we had was with David. And yes, it does lose Mary in the process. But like now we feel really good as a four. Hell, maybe Kyle's like, hey, you know, it'd be really good right now. Camilla, can we bring her in again? Can we do a little bit of a mulligan on our fifth wheel here? So I think there's a lot of like, but then you put Shaheen in such a power position.

[00:47:56] Then you're giving up all of your agency. If you're Kyle in that position, putting Shaheen in the power position where he's between those two pairs. I don't know. I don't know that I would recommend that. I don't know that that's the way I would be thinking. But I do think that for Eva, the other point of it is what you're mentioning. And for Joe as well, to a certain extent that like for many reasons, David was a shield to them. Yeah. Physical variety of like, OK, now there's there's three different challenge people we can target. Now they're only down to really two from physicality perspective.

[00:48:24] I think it will be interesting to see where the group consensus lands with who kind of takes ownership of the David move because everyone was kind of on the same page, theoretically. But you have Joe, Kyle and Shaheen who are more strategic forces who are kind of letting David be like the battering ram of keeping the alliance together.

[00:48:46] So who steps up into the like leadership role and who's the most active and then do then we try to gut them by taking their number two away or do then we have. Oh, everyone decides Shaheen's evil all of a sudden and ruining everyone's game and just the magnets there. I don't know. I'm also wondering, like, OK, say like this is the whole layout of next week now with David gone.

[00:49:11] I'm like, would I if I was in the game actually a push to get rid of Mary? Because Mary, you still piss off Dave, but Dave is still a huge meat shield for you. People are still going to go after Dave like nobody's going to go after Mary. I feel like I mean, I know this is a very different situation, but didn't it play out last season that Rachel was immune from like final eight? Yeah, I feel like the first time David loses immunity. Yeah, you just have to. You're right.

[00:49:41] I feel like there's no. That's the thing. I mean, I don't know to your point, Maggie, how many more bicep curling challenges we're going to get. But like the fact of the matter is he is a much better challenge performer. And so there's also a chance of like they're probably I mean, you saw Shaheen stand up out of his seat. I granted as as unconscious as that may have been, that also might have been a signal of like, oh, shit, this is one of the rare opportune moments where like we actually got him a little flat footed at this point.

[00:50:08] I do agree that I think if you get rid of Mary, that eliminates someone who could probably be a little bit more wily. You know, we'll see next week. She's really trying to scrounge something together now against the other people that were in her alliance. But at the same time, I think there was so much of a presence that David was occupying that sometimes I mean, they talked to David, talked everyone's ears off about why is it an easy vote? It should be an easy vote. Sometimes that is the easiest vote is like who is someone that everyone could get on the same page about getting rid of?

[00:50:37] And we saw it was basically an open and shut case, six to three vote, which is still the most disparate vote of the post merge. But regardless, when you have Mitch independently pitching David at the picnic, you're like this is mutually aligned interest that still disguises our alliance, but also simultaneously being able to credit, you know, a scalp on our resume.

[00:50:58] Yeah. And the people who are in that strong six who are kind of using the bluff of like, this is just about being big to get to play like a decent strategic game. They get to sort of you get this group consensus vote. And then in that like meta conversation that's happening about, oh, are people just allowed to, you know, push their way through to the end on physical merit or are we allowed to be sneaky and value that more in players?

[00:51:25] Now you've kind of weeded out the outliers and everyone's got a more similar game of like, well, we're gonna say like, I want to be a strong player and win, but also everyone's operating. Yeah. On on a similar plane, whereas like David stonewalling every conversation was really exposing. Yeah. Yeah. Forcing conversations that in another season probably wouldn't have happened, which was more dangerous for the more strategic.

[00:51:52] Right. I mean, I mean, again, imagine if you're like Kyle and Camilla and David's coming and being like, oh, yeah, you two are close. Right. That's the reason why you did it. Like, I would certainly not want somebody approaching me with those facts and broad. I think maybe I was thinking from Eva's perspective, because I was saying like she was the biggest loser of this vote. But like even more than Mary, in my opinion, I think that Eva, this is like not good for her. I think I'm confused. I don't totally know why you think it's not because it feels neutral for her to me.

[00:52:22] To me, I think that we're now we're at four, four. OK, so it's Mary star Mitch Camilla. So the most obvious duo. Yeah. And then like all Kyle has to do is flip vote out. You know, none of them are threatened by. I mean, the problem is Eva does have a public idol. So like it's also another thing where it's like we could get her to flush it. But that's oftentimes tough to do because it's like then when you're guaranteed to come back the next round, like how do we try to navigate that? And you're probably already splitting votes.

[00:52:51] And if you miss the shot on Eva and then you come back with an angry Eva and a ravenous Joe. Ravenous Joe sounds like the name of a ska band. But that's what I'm saying. Like you don't miss. But you don't miss that shot then. And you like if I think that if you are one of those four and you're getting Kyle to flip, he's not voting out Shaheen there. He's voting out either Joe or Eva. True, though. I don't know. It seems like Kyle really has like a good thing going on with Joe.

[00:53:17] I mean, granted, he did sort of utilize some of his personal information to like get Joe on his side to maybe pitch David. I see your point, Maggie, in that biggest loser is not necessarily like who's on the bottom of the power rankings. It's more so who fell the most. And I agree with that. I'm thinking I think I'm maybe thinking of this like Big Brother Stockwatch wise. Like Eva was her positioning was so strong there. And now her positioning is like very open to getting voted out literally at the next vote. And she has a public idol and everybody.

[00:53:47] All those people know that she has. Which I love as well that she's like, all right. What if I got this thing now that nobody knows about? This is exciting. Proceeds to then, you know, pyramid scene style. Tell two people who then tell two other people. And now basically everybody knows about it again. Yeah. Yeah. I think I agree with you that probably the smart thing for people to do would be go for Eva now before they get a little farther. And a two person voting block is really dangerous. I think it'll be interesting to see where Mary falls.

[00:54:16] Like she gets scooped up by somebody. Does the other side consolidate power at all? Or do they just kind of go limp? Yeah. Yeah. And also, I don't know why I like forgot how good David is at challenges. I was like, but then, yeah, of course, David is like. Yeah. I just think when, because there have been, if they did not go for David now, we would be sitting here screaming. Yeah. Why didn't you do that every week after every week after every week?

[00:54:43] And if they start eating each other, that's how David gets to the end and goes, you missed your one chance. You should have come for me. Gives the speech that Sam was trying to give at the end of last season being like, I was the threat. And it works. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Hi, Freunde. Seid ihr gerade auf der Suche nach einer App, mit der ihr alle eure Finanzen im Überblick habt? Mit Finanzguru erhältst du genau das. Ihr könnt alle eure Konten verbinden, egal ob Girokonto, Kreditkarte, Depot oder auch eure Kryptobörse.

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[00:55:36] And that not only did we get rid of, you know, a fantastic challenge performer, we have an out-and-out fitness, you know, bona fide expert on the podcast. So listen, we're at a point in Survivor right now where maybe there's some familiar faces getting ready for 50. There might even be some people in the cards right now, 51, 52 down the line, but it is never too early to start preparing. If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready.

[00:56:01] So what I thought we might be able to do while we have the in-house expertise is that for this game this week, I'm going to be providing a list of Survivor challenges. Whether Jeff calls them classics or kind of a classic, I think is what he calls the one this week, which is like a little odd. I'm not sure why how you measure that in degrees. But basically, what we're going to try to have you do and we'll make this a brain trust as well as a think tank is we'll provide a challenge and talk to what are some ways that you could prepare for it? You know, what muscles should you work on?

[00:56:29] Are there everyday objects you can utilize as well in lieu of not having the Survivor prop and challenge department around you? People literally on Survivor 51 are going to cite this podcast and be like, I heard a Mike Bloom podcast about how we needed to work on this muscle. It's grip strength. I'm just kidding. Yeah, exactly. It's all well, listen, you talk about grip strength. Let's start with a challenge that might be all about that.

[00:56:58] First one up is last week's out and out classic get a grip. And just as a brief introduction here for those that don't remember the names or aren't watching the video right now, this is the one from last week. This is the hold on to the pole for dear life of grabbing on to apparently increasingly smaller footholds and handholds depending on the season that you're in. So, Laura, for all we know, this could be like the width of a quarter, the footholds and handholds next season.

[00:57:22] I mean, I think for OK, for every Survivor challenge and I am, you know, I know myself, but I'm talking up my ass a little bit here because I'm sure there's all kinds of Survivor factors. That I can't consider. But I think training barefoot, honestly, would be huge. We get so much feedback from our feet. And when we're in sneakers, we just don't get that. So literally just like walking barefoot, uneven surfaces are so good for your feet.

[00:57:51] For a lot of people, that's uncomfortable. But that's something I would recommend letting your toes spread. Like there's so much toe stuff and foot stuff. Whoa. Especially after the show, if you know how to make a good buck. Heyo. There you go. I think with this one, my sneaking suspicion with the get a grip challenge with holding on to the poles, because I think this is one of the ones where people are like, oh, it's usually like a smaller person wins it.

[00:58:18] Like this is not a traditional comp beast challenge. This is, this is one for the, for the Parvati's of the world. Um, my sneaking suspicion is that the trickiest part of this is, or the reason why sometimes women are more, uh, more equipped is the cue angle in your hips.

[00:58:43] Because I think when these big guys get on the pole and they're trying to squeeze with their inner thighs, that tuckers you out real fast. But anyone who can rotate their hips out and wrap their legs around like crisscross applesauce style, because if you are, if you are tensing your muscle at max capacity, you're, you're going to lose that. But if you can have sort of like a loose grip on it and really hang on the pole, I really think somebody's ability to externally rotate their hips plays big here.

[00:59:11] Cause then you're not just like, you're not holding the pole as tight as you can. You're kind of like sitting off of it. Wow. Can I just say we're only one challenge and this is worth the price of admission. This is the only one I have a theory about. This is the only one I have a theory about. I literally was like, I'm texting Sam and saying they need to cut the 20 minutes of this video and make it a separate video about how to train for survivor challenges. No, but like, I don't even know what cast this is, but look who looks. Russell up there. So I think it's 19. Or no, I think this is, uh, I think it's Cook Islands.

[00:59:40] Cause there's Ozzy in his, it's tough to see in the camo. Oh, it's Penner's hat. It's Penner. That's Penner. Okay. Is Ozzy the one like scrunched? Yeah, that's him. Like, I think that's the best strategy or the person at the end who's like standing up tall. But the fun holds aren't there anymore to stand up tall. Yeah. So that. Yeah. That's the thing is that these ones are convex, right? They were like little ropes to stand on. Now it's become literally concave, which are like these little things to try to grip onto. Yeah.

[01:00:03] But if you can like, if you can get your legs around it and be sort of pushing into the pole and not down onto the pole. Mm-hmm. I think that's. Well, and that's what we saw with Eva and Mary. They were doing that. Exactly. That's why Eva and Mary were both like kind of hanging off, really like sitting tight.

[01:00:45] Uh-huh. And basically it's measured for height where you have to essentially stand on your tiptoes to keep a block balance between your head and the upper beam. I mean, Laura, is this what? Is this calves? Is this core? Is it all the above? It's everything. I mean, all of these are just torture techniques, right? Like I think what's tricky about this is that you're in a much stronger position if you are either all the way up on your tiptoes.

[01:01:13] Like imagine a ballerina on demi point, like all the way up, heels all the way up or all the way down in the middle is way harder because you're not like locked out at the end of your range of motion. You can try this for yourself. Try this at home. Like if you stand on one leg on your tiptoes, if you go up as far as you can, it's going to be easier to balance than if you're like in the middle because you start to waver a little bit. So you can see how they set the height for everybody.

[01:01:38] They can't be on like a flat foot, but they also can't really like push down through the balls of their feet and extend in 10. I have a question. You can see the person all the way on the right. That's Trish, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So Trish kind of has her head in the air.

[01:01:54] Like, is it a better strategy to go as high up on your toes as possible and kind of like angle your back out a little bit to kind of like, like give yourself a more concave like this rather than like standing up straight and not flexing or not going all the way up. I mean, it's tough because I, I think with a lot of these, the more variety you have in your positioning, the better. Just you're betting on everyone else and how everyone else, how long everyone else is going to last.

[01:02:24] Trish might be more secure in this moment, but like Wu looks comfier. Yeah. You know, he does. If you can like readjust a little bit, you can like the, the neck cramping is going to get her before the wobbles do like balance as like standing still and frozen. And balance is actually like really rapidly and subtly reacting to what's happening to you. Right.

[01:02:51] So if you freeze, you're messing with your ability to be adaptable, just like in the social game. Oh, at this, this is incredible. All right, let's, let's keep going. Let's make it three for three here. So this is one that's called overextended. This is known as like the boom mic challenge where, well, we'll talk about a variation of this later on, but you have to basically hold a pole above your shoulders. Most people balance it on their head. Like we're seeing this picture of survivor 44, but you have to like balance a pole.

[01:03:21] And at the end of it is a ball or a totem that you have to keep underneath it. So let's talk a little bit of upper body here. We've been talking a lot of lower body. What, what's the way to approach this from like a shoulder, you know, trapezius perspective? I will say, okay. Something that makes this really hard upper body wise is that if you're holding that pole horizontally over your head, most people don't have a full 180 degree range of motion in their shoulders. Most people are going to be a little comfier with their elbows in front of their shoulders.

[01:03:51] If you want to get nerdy, we call that the scapular plane, right? So we're using, if we're like pushing or pulling overhead, we're using more of a neutral grip, quote unquote, versus being so out open like that. For a lot of people, that's going to throw you off your center of gravity because you just don't have the mobility. So having that bar, like if someone had limited shoulder mobility, I'm not going to have them overhead press a barbell. They're going to overhead press two dumbbells so that their shoulders can do what they need to do. We don't have to freeze open like that.

[01:04:20] And a lot, a lot of these, like, what's the one? I forget what season it was. Where they have the clay pot that they had to like go over. The one where they like push out like this. Oh yeah. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't put that one in there. I think it's called like comfortably numb where you have to hold onto the two discs with the pots on them. Like being open like that is just not comfortable for most of us. Most of us are kind of in our, you know, desk, desk goblin position. They're asking too many white colored nerds on Survivor. They're too popular.

[01:04:50] I think like, it's hard to say because I imagine that ball is very light. It makes it harder. I would kind of like push down on the top of my head, get a little bit of tension going that way. Right? Like pull down, pull the big long stick down onto my head. So I had a little bit more control versus like, I think that could be easier. It looks like they do have it on their heads. It's resting on their heads. Yeah.

[01:05:18] But like, I think if you are pulling and then you can take a lever. I want to like stand up and demonstrate. I'm like, if you bend your knees a little bit so you can like get your pelvis under you and you pull down onto your heads, you can push up. But you might just have like a little more control. Although, yeah, sort of like counteract the forces. Yeah. Yeah. Pull down, push up. And I mean, again, that's I'm really pulling this out of my ass. This is gold. I'm also thinking with the feet. I do. You think about like the triangle is the most stable shape.

[01:05:47] I would definitely go for sort of a warrior one situation. Like, again, I don't know which cast this is, but toes of one foot pointed forward and then the other foot you position perpendicular. So you're in kind of like a fencing stance. I think that's going to give you a better chance at catching yourself if you do get thrown off versus like toes pointing in the same direction. Then you're weeble wobbling back and forth. Yeah.

[01:06:14] And I think the one you're looking at actually is Brandon, who I believe did win this challenge for his group. So. Oh, my goodness. The feet are always going to be more important than the feet are the base of everything. So it's more important than you want to give it credit for. The ball is just a distraction. Well, as they often are. Well, you talk about the triangle being the strongest shape. Let's talk about. Mike, we went full bloom. We did. There we go. It took us an hour change. Usually it takes a little bit longer than that. But better later than never.

[01:06:44] Let's talk about. It's been known as Bermuda Triangles in the past. I think Survivor Wiki officially calls it sea legs. But this is. I call it the doghouse challenge where it looks like the top of a doghouse. You are standing out in the middle of the water and you are trying to essentially balance on top of it. With only really being able to rely on these, again, increasingly smaller footholds. And this is a tough one because we saw like 42, for example, the waters were raging. It was over in like five minutes. 46 completely calm waters. It was over in like five hours.

[01:07:14] Is there, do you think, a consistent method to no matter what the conditions are, trying to remain on top of this thing as long as possible? I think it's always going to be bend your knees a little bit. Like for the love of God, do not lock your knees. Bend your knees. Sit. Sit your hips back a little bit like a hinge. If you know what that is. Like lower your center of gravity and give yourself room to move wherever you need to go. So you can just like absorb the force of the ocean.

[01:07:41] Because if you start to clench and lock this out, like you're squeezing your inner thighs together. That is not a strong position for anybody. And you're also like, if you're holding onto those little rails, you're that inversion or eversion, like you're twisting your ankle to make it happen. So like the more you can kind of sit into this and like, like you're riding a mechanical bull, like make it active.

[01:08:05] Not just set yourself on top of it and respond to what's happening, but actually be like, I'm riding the pyramid here. Okay. Like it's the thing I always, I'm talking a big game right now. Like how do you fall off of this thing? Like if I got a splinter, I'd be out. I feel like medevac me. I don't want to do this anymore. So I always look at this and I'm like, how does someone not just pitch forward and knock out a tooth or something? I know.

[01:08:30] I think like get low, start off with as many bent joints as you can. So you can tense up and hold yourself, but you can also absorb the shock of like impact if a wave comes and knocks everyone over. Wow. I'm always intrigued when it comes to various balance elements in this show. And I guess this is an example of that, but obviously there's like balance beams, teeter totters, et cetera. Is there a hard and fast way to do it? Do you look forward?

[01:08:59] Do you look down arms out arms, not out? Is there a tried and true method for it? Most people are comfier with something different. And that's, that's what's tricky about something like this is probably a lower center of gravity and less upper body mass would help you out here. But if you've got someone who's just stronger than everybody else, that might not matter that much. Like a lot of people will have an easier time balancing. If you look at a point in the middle distance and you can like lock your eyes on that.

[01:09:29] But for some people, that's going to mess with them. For some people that will take them out of concentration. And that might be worse, especially if you're not operating with like max mental capacity. Like your proprioception is going to go to shit. This is how people get injured, right? What does proprioception mean? Proprioception is just like your body's awareness of where you are in space and what's happening to it. Like all the input you're taking. I have a low level of proprioception. I have no comment.

[01:09:58] Not a confirm nor deny. I feel like it's important. We've been best friends for 10 years. I can say that. You know, so like something like this. I don't know how helpful it would be to look off into the distance because the distance is the ocean. And if you put her on one of these things, she's vomiting in 10 minutes. Yeah. That's valid. I didn't think about that, but you're right. Yeah. All of these things, when they're like trying to do a balance beam and it's floating on water. Mm hmm.

[01:10:26] Like I think agility and reactivity is a more important part of balance than like people always say, oh, do lots of yoga for your balance. And that could be useful. But also training, like doing ladder drills, playing like dance, dance revolution, like all the like fast feet things that we think of with like football players.

[01:10:46] If you can like have to react and catch things like that, when I help you figure out how to correct when you start to go off balance, like actively balance, decelerate yourself, hit a point and stick it when you're responding to a force rather than just like I'm going to stand here in tree pose and lock and load everything and learn how to balance myself. Like you could stand there straight tall. And then if I don't do you any good. So. Wow. There you go.

[01:11:14] For sure, survivor contestants hit the arcade, get into DDR. It'll help you in this type of thing. All right. Let's move into another version of sort of overextended, but I kind of lumped a few of these together. So this is when it rains, it pours. It's the one where you have the hand tied to the bucket. But there's also like I think there's this one's maybe uncomfortably done where you're holding on to the handles above your head with like Natalie and read like into the split. There's also the one where you're holding the ball up against the post.

[01:11:42] Any of these challenges, Laura, when it comes to holding something above your head? Is there a good tactic here, especially in when it rains, it pours. But again, it's not like a static thing you're holding on to. It's more so reacting to when you move your arm. I mean, I'm picturing Parvati just literally with like her elbow locked out. And I think I'm going to contradict everything I've said and say like you need to lock and stack your joints and like dissociate. It seems like the only way to get through this. Right.

[01:12:08] Like I feel like it's when people lose mental focus that they then sway and they pull it. So whatever you need to do. But let's see what would be something to note. Say again, if you're doing like an overhead press, like pressing a dumbbell overhead, the top of that movement is not the hardest part. It's actually when you're halfway up, when like the most gravity is working on you.

[01:12:30] So if you let that arm bend, you're kind of having to fight to keep it up in the air because you are like actively holding it up versus like locking out, letting it go numb. I don't I don't I don't know if I could do that, but I think that's a better. Yeah. I don't know how safe that is. Yeah. But I mean, if you can hold it like if you are comfortable in that position, holding your arm over your head and literally just freeze and don't think about anything. I really think this one's mostly a mental game. Can you because we see this is from one world.

[01:12:59] You see like Chelsea, I believe or maybe that's Kim on the right hand side. She's using like her other arm to kind of support it. Does that help at all? Can you use your free moving arm for it? Then she's then she's pulling on the arm that's up. So that arm doesn't really have to do any work. It's now like a prop for you versus coach is lifting his arm. That is Troy's in. Oh, sorry. Two sides of the coin. It looks like coach. It does. Yes, definitely.

[01:13:29] Actively holding your arm up is going to be nearly impossible. So, yeah, like making making a little brace for yourself where you can resist the other arm, pull down on it actively, like pulling down on resistance. That's not moving is going to let your other arm be the resistance. That's not moving. And also is easier than like half heartedly lifting something up. It's like what we talked about with the calf raises, like the bottom and the top. You can do that.

[01:13:57] You can just go smooth brain and let that happen to you if you have the endurance to do it. Halfway in the middle is like everything's working, whether it's just your arm, whether you realize it or not. There you go. Be the resistance you wish to see in the world. I think the lockout is the method. All right. So this is one that's only been used a couple of times.

[01:14:17] But this when I was coming up with this idea stuck in my head, read free of like, this is something I need to get Laura's opinion on because it's a part of the body that often I would imagine is not part of your typical regiment. But a couple of times we've gone to the feet. Oh, yes. I was hopeful you would bring this one up. So this is a challenge. The game is a foot. We've used it a couple of times. This is the San Juan del Sora version where essentially you can only do the challenge using your feet.

[01:14:42] And this one, I think they had to like untie a bundle of logs or like cylinders and stack them on a platform. Is there a way to train your feet for Survivor to operate much like the simians were back in the early days of humanity? I mean, you do this like you train for the sport that you want to excel at. If you need to get better at foot stuff, you've got to be doing foot stuff. And I will say. Hey, oh.

[01:15:12] Like what we talked about, being barefoot, like introducing the bottom of your foot to as many variable stimuli as possible. If you have a backyard or a safe place to walk barefoot, do that. Walking on ground that has variation and isn't just, you know, linoleum or pavement.

[01:15:35] That's helping your foot be more active in supporting you, which is good for balance, strength, you know, good movement, all of that stuff. But, you know, if you're trying to like grasp and untie with your toes, like you got to be doing stuff with your toes. I mean, one that maybe would be easy to set up at home. This is an old ballerina trick is just get like a towel that you don't care about, like a hand towel. Just put it under your feet.

[01:16:04] And while you're watching TV, just curl your toes in all 10 at the same time until you've like dragged the entire towel towards you. And then you can even push it out. Because what's in our, you know, everything on the body kind of looks like something else on the body. Like your finger has flexors and extensors, just like your bicep and your tricep. And your toe is the same way. But we're usually not using them because our feet are crammed into shoes all the time.

[01:16:27] So I also have a question for you about like the lower, like your pelvic floor doing this and like your lower abs. You're doing like a V-sit. Yeah, because that's what you have to do. I remember Ricard won on 41 and Ricard is like a dancer. So that helped him. But I also, I feel like a big part of that, the way like Baylor is sitting, like that's Baylor, right? Yeah. The way Baylor is like untying, like she's in a V-sit and she, you know what I mean? Yeah, you're definitely doing it.

[01:16:57] You're dealing with a top range of motion hip flexor strength, right? A lot of people, because we sit in chairs all day, we think, oh, my hips are really tight. But they're tight because they're weak, because we're not using them. Muscles like to be stretched and strengthened at the same time. We want the tissue itself to be trained, right? So an easy way to train for this that's not just like doing a bunch of core stuff, doing Pilates and holding a V-sit.

[01:17:23] Because you need to be able to be mobile there and you can hold on with your upper body. You could sit in a chair and just see how far or do this with me. How far can you pick one of your knees up without letting it slump you over? Sit up tall, pick your knee up. We're both doing it under the down. I'm doing it as well. And put it down. Yeah. And then if you get good at that. I did better than I thought I would, actually. I'm impressed. Yeah, it's that Pilates.

[01:17:47] And then when you get the good of that one, that doesn't feel like, okay, do 10, hold it for a second at the top, put it down, do two rounds of that on each side. And then once that gets too easy, then you stand up and you put your foot up on the chair and you pick it up from there. Because now your other hip is in an extended position. So I think having that mobility at the top of your range of hip flexion would actually be more important than being able to hold a V-sit.

[01:18:15] Because again, you're doing an isometric holding your core past a certain amount of time. That's not going to be useful to you. But having that strength in your hips will be. Because you can slump, right? If we slump all the time when we're doing core stuff, we're not going to be super comfy after a long period of time. But if you can slump, slumping is advantageous. Yeah. So you don't need to have like perfect form. Get your hips up. That's what I'd say. And do stuff with your toes. There you go. Get your hips up and do stuff with your toes.

[01:18:45] Life advice. All right. So now these are some of the more weather challenges. I'm going to go. I pulled into, you know, the box of tricks from Survivor Challenges past and really test you, Laura, to see if we come up with some ways. The trend is, listen, Survivor 50. We don't know what immunity challenges they're going to use. I want to start with a classic here. Hands on a heart item. So this is the final immunity challenge that's been used a few times. I just went with like the regular degular.

[01:19:15] I mean, the problem is that the ideal gameplay for this is just quit, right? Pull the Richard Hatch, just sit there and eat oranges. I mean, when it is something as sedentary as this, is there a way that you should be like training your body for standing and keeping your hand in one? Again, it's not like extended range of motion, but in one very specific position forever.

[01:19:36] I mean, no, like this is this is kind of like running a marathon where it's like the weeks before you run them or like the few days before you run a marathon. You don't do running because you're leading up to doing something like inhumane to your body. There's no reason to be doing this. So there's no reason you should be training for this.

[01:19:55] So honestly, like whatever you can do to keep that mental focus, like training that, training, staying in training, staying in something physically when you are uncomfortable. Because I feel like the reason people usually lose this one is like they pick up their foot. They just have that.

[01:20:13] So again, like keeping a little bit of activity going on in your body, bending your knees, bending, like sitting down into your hips, bending your elbow, like reminding yourself that, OK, I'm pressing down into my feet and I'm pressing down into my hand. These are my three points of contact. But other than that, it's it's free game because people just start standing there and then they like scratch their nose or something. And that's when they get out of it. You know, focus in on your breath if you have to, like do whatever it takes to zone in.

[01:20:42] And I'd say like now I'm getting into my more like flighty stuff, but create some movement so you don't just so you keep your body and your brain active. And so you don't forget where you are and what you're doing. I love that. Let's go from an old school challenge to more of a new school one. And actually, I was watching the promo for next week. We actually might see this challenge in next week's episode. Let's talk about this one. This is called Slither Me Timbers.

[01:21:09] This is the one where they basically bind your hands and your feet and you have to wriggle like a worm through the sand to push the ball. I cannot even imagine what body parts this type of challenge is working. This one feels like a humiliation ritual. Yeah. Sometimes when they get those slow-mo shots of people like biting mud. Yeah. We didn't need that. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. I mean, I think, again, this is one of those things like, how the hell are you going to train for this? What?

[01:21:37] I mean, I mean, listen, if you have the right partner, you've been training for this for years in a manner of speaking, depending on what you're into. Hands and feet tied? And rhythm. Judge. Wiggling around like a worm? I don't judge. That's what I've been saying. Every pot for a lid. Every ham for a cheese wrap. Yikes. I'm trying to even remember like what this looks like.

[01:22:03] I feel like because this is a new one, we haven't seen some like fully, fully game the system yet. And there's probably like a secret sneaky thing that does work. Like, I think, didn't someone tuck the ball into their shoulder and kind of like go shoulder? Yeah. So that's what Kyle did last year. He like actually inched it up because they go over and under a bunch of hills, which is like the big thing where a lot of people got torn up. So I think Kyle actually, instead of feel like nudging the ball up with his head, put the shoulder on like a natural resting area and nudged it up that way.

[01:22:33] Yeah. I mean, I'm thinking like if you can like circle your shoulders forward and back, like there's a hip mobility move. I love where you're literally just sitting on the ground. You just walk with your butt cheeks. Like you just move forward and forward and then back and back basically is what it looks like. So if you can approach this at an angle. So you're going like one shoulder reaches forward and then the other one catches up and then forward. And instead of trying to like, like, yeah, butterfly. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's the hardest move in swimming. Right now. I'm really talking about things I don't know.

[01:23:02] But like imagine trying to like buck your whole body over. Like that's going to be way more tiring than being able to like take a step. So like, I guess don't be afraid of the asymmetry here because otherwise you're just doing a handless worm. On sand. Walking on sand is terrible. Walking on sand would probably be a good way to train for everything. That's what we get. Yeah, that's how you deal with like imbalance of terrain.

[01:23:28] It's how you deal with endurance as well because it's harder to walk and run through sand than on land. Yeah. Walk in water. Like try to don't they have to swim what like 10 feet now? Like don't you don't need to bother with that. Just like try to get out of the water real fast. With all your clothes on. Yeah. With jeans on. Yeah. Yeah. Have someone throw you into a lake with your jeans on and make your way back to your hands and feet tied together. Exactly. Hey, oh, don't have me with a good time. All right. Let me provide a last one here.

[01:23:57] So this is another survivor classic. This is some motion. So how how could you possibly train for this? Because this is another one to your point, Laura, about like really keeping focus. But considering again, maybe this is like a half half slither, right? Because your one hand is tied behind your back. Do you have to just like train one dominant arm over the other one to handle these types of dexterous tasks? I guess.

[01:24:24] I think this is another one where focus dropping is going to be the thing that takes you out. I have an opinion. I'll play it. I am a big fan of the time management style games, the phone games. That's what Laura. We have exactly opposite taste in brainless phone games. Maggie, my taste is that I have like a puzzle game where it's it doesn't say any words or numbers. It's just colors.

[01:24:54] And I put the colors in order and it's so soothing to me. It's like co-comelon for adults. And Maggie likes games that make her as stressed out as possible. I don't know what it is. For like two minutes and then it's over. It's because you've got a healthy relationship with your parents. So she's like micro dosing like anxiety in that way. It makes your heart go in a little bit. It makes you a little bit. She loves it. But I like the time management style games where you're juggling a bunch of different things all at once. Like you have to like this.

[01:25:24] You're like something like Diner Dash where it's like you have to see people and you also have like table three is doing whatever. Like you're doing a bunch of different things all at once. So you have to keep track of. And this is cooking and I have to make sure this doesn't burn. You know, whatever. And I feel like that's what some motion is. It's like you need to be able to track where this ball is so that you can time it perfectly. Less again, less about like mobility and more about like can my brain be in seven different places at once keeping track of everything at the same time? Yeah, I would argue this is not physically too taxing other than the fact that it's tricky.

[01:25:54] I mean, I guess I'm sure it's exhausting, but I would actually say you could do some like practice sight singing quizzes online because these things are very controlled and the balls always travel at the same speed. It's why why I assume they've been adding those like tricky catches where you have to wait for the ball to come back down. You have to do anything to make it faster. I think the once you got the rhythm of it, like can you hold a pace?

[01:26:21] Can you clap through a rhythm and not drop it? That's so interesting. You could be like, listen, you could argue some of the worst performers at Samotion or maybe some of the worst singers that we've had on Survivor by comparison. It's a natural human tendency that like when we start like singing in a group or something, everybody speeds up. You go faster and faster and faster. And that's not going to happen here because the the physics of the ball on the track is not going to change.

[01:26:49] So it's like can't do you have the patience to like find an internal rhythm and just stay with it. Just the repetitive motion and you're not going to change it and you're not going to let the anxiety take over. So, yeah, probably like I'm like maybe do some more like real true hit cardio and practice like heart rate variability and try to maintain a focus. Like do do your 20 second hit interval and then like get off and do a Sudoku puzzle while your heart's coming back.

[01:27:19] Oh, my God. Go online and do like the clapping quizzes for sightseeing in class. Yeah, so I mean, it's like back during covid, right when it was like, oh, you need 30 seconds to wash your hands. Sing happy birthday to yourself two times. Like I wonder if you if you time out. Obviously, you don't know unless you're like a super duper duper fan to time out how long it takes from the ball to get to the top of the bottom. But if you were somehow able to do so and have it fit to like a piece of music, just have that play in your head. Like in the office when they're learning CPR.

[01:27:49] Yes. Stay alive. That's, you know, easier said than done when the wind is in one ear and Jeff is screaming in the other. Like the last thing I would be as focused on. Yeah. How many BPM do I think this ball is rolling at? But I think it could be useful because I think that's a consistent pace. So if you could just figure out what that pace is and not overthink it. I think that's like the biggest trick for this one. I don't think it's that physical at all. Well, congratulations, you two. I think we just hacked Survivor. I think we just.

[01:28:19] We're ready. Listen, our checks are in the mail for any future winners out there who listen to this incredible advice. Holy shit. Yes. And the thing is, you know, I'm going to like, you know, don't get embarrassed. But like she has this whole series on her TikTok of like movements you can do sitting in an office chair. Things that are super accessible to you so that you can train for some of the things that she was talking about.

[01:28:45] Even like the exercise she was talking about, like sitting in the chair, your hip mobility, like listen to the things that she's saying. And she has all of these series that are really easy for people to pick up at home and do for 20 minutes a day, etc. Say you're working a desk job and you're in final callbacks for Survivor. You can still be training. You don't have to hit the gym as hard as you think you do. I paid her to say all of that. There we go. Yeah, I think like if I could distill this down to one thing that will be useful for Survivor or life.

[01:29:13] So many of us are focused on like bigger, better, faster, stronger at the gym. And what a lot of us actually need to be focused on is they use it or lose it mentality. Like, can you get up and down off the ground without using your hands? Most. I'm working that snake challenge. There you go. Like the things that you want to be able to do, like sit on the ground with your kids or like get up off the toilet without assistance when you're 90. That's the kind of stuff that like, are you getting down on the floor every day? Can you touch your toes?

[01:29:43] That's way more accessible for people than like, can you can you hold your hand up in the air for eight hours or like, can you squat 800 pounds? So there we go. Baby steps, whether through water, sand or just in your day to day. Well, we always finish things off with a chance to shine a light on a charity or cause that is important to our guests. And listen, double the guests means double the charities. I will give you each an opportunity if you would like to highlight a charity or cause for the listeners out there. Maggie, let's start with you. Sure.

[01:30:13] Yeah. I always talk about Planned Parenthood when I'm on the podcast, especially, you know, women's abortion rights are being stripped from them in many of the states in our country right now. So Planned Parenthood does the really important and accessible work or important work to make women's health care accessible to everyone. So please support them if you can. We need to remember that women's health care is so much more than just abortion rights.

[01:30:41] But that is also incredibly important as well. And Planned Parenthood does all of those things. Very well said. And Laura, what would you like to highlight for the listeners? I'd like to highlight the World Central Kitchen. They're doing amazing work on the ground in Gaza and in emergency zones all around the world. And they really, really need support and funding. Yeah. Listen, we're talking about a show where, yes, we're lampooning ham and cheese wraps and crackers for lunch.

[01:31:06] But the fact of the matter is there are people out there, especially in incredibly dire situations, who would be in heaven if they had that access available to them. And luckily, Jose Andres and company have had the ability to do so. So thank you so much. Thank you, Maggie, as well, for highlighting such a great charity. And check that out, people. And thank you both so much. This was such a fantastic time. We got to send off one of the biggest characters of the season. We talked milk.

[01:31:34] We literally milked that conversation for all it's worth. We may or may not have given some incredibly salient advice to future survivor contestants. Like, this is a jam-packed, much like a bear in hibernation. To your point, Laura. Our colons are jam-packed with information. Why did I bring that up? How horrible. I literally said I would shit my pants. So, you know. The B&B spirit officially is through you. So, let's unfortunately have to say adieu to this week and this podcast.

[01:32:03] But, of course, both of you are out there on the internet talking about anything and everything under the sun. So, we'll finish with a gold old-fashioned round of plugs. Maggie, we'll start with you. What do you want to plug? Yeah, you can find me on Instagram, TikTok, threads, at MLMorgan underscore. I'm on Blue Sky, I think, just as like MLMorgan. I covered the newest season of Temptation Island on Netflix with Kirsten McInnes. You can still watch that. It was crazy.

[01:32:31] We covered it all over on the Hot Dummies on Islands feed. I just talked Amazing Race with Jess last week. It's been an amazing, no pun intended, amazing race season. I've been having so much fun with that. So, if you're not caught up on that, I definitely highly recommend. Yeah, and I'm around. I'm waiting patiently for Big Brother season to begin. Do you think David, because he naturally would watch the Amazing Race after Survivor because it was on,

[01:32:57] is he booking a one-way trip to Bulgaria to just house as much yogurt as possible from that 102-year-old lady? Yeah, I mean, he's like, I don't get enough lactose in my system from a gallon of milk, so I think I'm going to find the old woman and the 101-year-old woman in Bulgaria. Giga Chad milk maxing. Absolutely. Yeah. Laura, what would you like to plug out there for the listeners? First, I do want to say that Maggie podcasting about Temptation Island

[01:33:25] is my butterfly effect for being as deeply entrenched in Survivor as I am. Oh my, that's the small bottle. Yeah, I mean, she's the reason I'm into everything I'm into. So, it's a great podcast. It's so funny. If you were watching Temptation Island, and you should be, and you should start at season one on Peacock, and you're not listening to Kristen and Maggie recapping it, you are missing out. So, I will bear plug that, and then I will bear plug, I'm everywhere on the internet, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube,

[01:33:55] threads. I have a podcast called Fit Literate, where we talk about bullshit internet fitness trends and diet culture and deprogramming your brain. We like to say it's like the caring and keeping of you for adults. And if you hate the idea of strength training, but you know you should be doing it, and you want somebody to do all the homework for you, you can come train with me online, virtually from wherever you are in the world, at the Energy Academy. I think that's it. Yeah, you didn't say your handle for everything.

[01:34:24] Laura.Gerrard, except on TikTok, it's LC Gerrard, which will haunt me until the end of my days. LC Gerrard actually sounds like the name of some sort of, I don't know, like neo-noir detective. You know, it's that like two, I feel like there's something to even your initials themselves being a mystery. I'll take it. It can be my alter ego. There we are. Listen, if anything goes south, if any of these people are like, I broke my neck on the challenge because you told me to do this thing, they're like, I'm LC Gerrard. I don't know who that is. You're like, sorry guys.

[01:34:54] Well, you can all get a grip around my coverage. That sounds incredibly saucy, even for me, but I talked with David this week. It was a really fun conversation. David, obviously as open in our chat, as he was on the island about all his thoughts about his perceptions from the game, obviously reveals the question of the hour, which is came into the season with a lot of stakes as to what might be going on back at home. Should he win or lose survivor? If you want to follow up as to where he is, what he's doing,

[01:35:24] and more importantly, who he is with. You can check out my interview there. I made the return to the amazing race podcast after Maggie so graciously filled in. Very fun episode, breaking that down with Jess at her next interview there. I'm back in my usual swing of things after a week away. I'm covering the last of us. I'm covering Andor. I'm covering Battlestar Galactica. Plenty of stuff out there at a Mike Bloom type. Anyway, that's going to do it for this week on the BNB. Such a fun episode of the show. Such a fun episode of the podcast as well. Hope you all enjoyed it.

[01:35:53] We'll see what happens next week as we're framed and as the episode framed as well. Might be a four versus four situation. What does that mean? Are we going to rocks? Who the heck knows? This season really does seem a bit wide open now with David, who took up a lot of space, both physically, verbally, etc. out of the picture. I'm very intrigued to see what's going to happen in this last month or so of Survivor 48. And I hope you're joining us all as well. So be sure to check out the BNB. You can email us, rhapbnb at gmail.com.

[01:36:23] If you have any ideas of games or segments like this that you want us to do in feature episodes, we are open to anything and everything. Special thanks to Scott St. Pierre and the entire team behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and ears. And Wolf from America for his fantastic theme song, which if you're listening in the audio version, waiting with bated breath to hear his mellifluous tones. Leanna and I will hopefully be back next week. I think we'll have her back in our stead, get an update on the move and everything. But regardless,

[01:36:53] at least one of us will be here occupying the BNB as we will continue to break down Survivor 48. Thank you all so much for listening. Maggie, Laura, thank you both so much. This was a ton of fun. Until next time, everybody, we'll check you out at your next day. Mike and Leanna got that playing some games. You better pray to your mama that they're not super lame. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name.

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