Survivor 47 Pre-Game Day 2: Kishan & Rome

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[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino back.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It's day two of our Survivor 47 cast preview.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got two more people to talk about here today.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Talking about Kishan and Rome here today with a man who interviewed them both.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Give it up for Mike Bloom.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Rob. Famously, you can't drink lava,

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but we can drink Lavo as we're talking two more people from this tribe today.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, Mike. Yesterday we got it all started.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about Asia and Genevieve, but today let's talk about two of their tribe mates here.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be Kishan and Rome.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and already this tribe is shaping up to be very interesting.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get into it with these two. Also a lot of mentions of other members of their tribe.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So I know obviously we're going to save like the big analysis for this group of six next podcast when we finish off the tribe.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But already, Rob, at least from my perspective, I'm already kind of piecing together where I expect things to fall based on,

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: again, these very enigmatic vibes they're giving each other in the preseason.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure. We're piecing it all together now that we have a little bit more of this tribe.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Tomorrow we will finish out talking about this tribe.

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[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So first up, Mike, we have Kishan Patel. He's an ER doctor.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll hear his interview uninterrupted in just a moment.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Anything you want to set up about Kishan?

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Kishan is 27 years old.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He is from San Francisco, a little bit of a later fan to Survivor, though the other person we'll talk about,

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think even more closely compares to that estimate.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, as you mentioned, he is an emergency medicine resident physician, I believe is his formal title,

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but colloquially an ER doctor.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, certainly has some very interesting perspectives on both his job

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and why it makes him feel adequately prepared for all the mayhem that the new era throws at us.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: All right. So let's go ahead and hear from Kishan.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And then Mike and I are going to come back and talk about what we think right after you hear from him himself.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing right now?

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. I mean, pre-week is pre-week.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been basically a silent retreat and I feel like I'm slowly just like decaying my mind of like not having said a single word.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like a kid at like a toy store and the parents are like, you can buy a toy at the end.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just silently waiting the whole time.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I've literally just been patiently waiting for something to happen.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, look, you'll get a chance to play with some action figures right now.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You can speak freely, speak only. In fact, I hope you do.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just start with some easy stuff. Give me your name, age and your occupation.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Kishan. I'm 27 and I'm an ER doctor.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. So what was the path to getting there? Is medicine something you always wanted to do?

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good question. That's a that's a million dollar one.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There's two folds to why I wanted to do emergency medicine and become a doctor.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The more less significant one is that, you know, emergency medicine is chaotic. It's so fun.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You see the craziest things. There's never a dull day and you never know what's going to walk through the doors.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you could go from a stab wound to a gunshot wound to then like a stubbed toe and like the emotional whiplash of that.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's something that's like I find it really enjoyable and not everyone will.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's really fun. But a bigger portion of why I even went into medicine in the first place is like no one in my family is a doctor.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like the first generation to actually go through to college.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And so, like, the community that I grew up in was like a very uninsured, very low income community.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of the people in my community and even my own family use like the ER as like primary care and like that's their only means of access to care.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So I always found a special spot for people that are very underserved and very vulnerable that you turn to ER when, you know, they have nowhere else to turn to.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like the perfect place to be able to kind of like impart such a like you're that first point of touch for that person's medical experience, like their entire medical journey.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And like you can leave a lasting impact in their life if you leave a poor impression versus a good one.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you leave a poor one, oftentimes people won't seek further care versus you leave a good one.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Then, you know, you kind of establish their trust in the health care system.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was kind of the broader reason why medicine and emergency medicine.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But then it's also fun and chaotic. And I really enjoy it.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, then that sort of answers my next question is obviously the transition from ER to TC.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Talk to me about your history with Survivor and what made you decide to your point to step out of one fun, chaotic environment into another one?

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You know, I am not out of everyone here.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably I'm probably not the biggest super fan.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I only started watching like 2020 or 2021, like during the pandemic when I was like bored out of my mind.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like, OK, Netflix had like one or two seasons on it.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, OK, let's just see this. And then I watched it for the first time and I like immediately became obsessed.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I've seen like so many seasons now. It's just I absolutely love it.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the chaos of it, how like it's very similar to emergency medicine where it's like there's chaos all around you.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to be able to control everything in front of you and everything that goes around you.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be aware of everything and know how to triage and know how to prioritize and keep in your mind a laundry list of tasks and everything that needs to happen to have a successful and like.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: A successful outcome, and like that's what I do every single day in the emergency room, and that's what I'm going to end up doing here.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, you don't need to be in control all the time.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to be the point person every single time.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You just need to be aware of everything that's going on and you need to know when to turn your attention and focus to something.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the most important thing. And that's literally what Survivor is and why I love it.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. We have our ends to take care of, like dressing those wounds over there.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me take care of what's the high priority in this.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. We have that little small alliance doing their own business.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't need to worry about them right now. We'll deal with them later.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I need to focus on this first and then I can deal with that.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just constantly triaging and prioritizing in your brain.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the fun of it.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I know you're a recent convert, but first better late than never.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what matters. But looking back on, you know, your time watching the show.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Give me a winner and a non-winner who you identify with the most.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm so bad with names.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's fine. You can describe them to me if you want to.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, OK, OK. I'm obsessed.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I will never be, but I'm obsessed with Parvati.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just such chaos, but she knows what her strengths are.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone should know what your strengths are and just use that.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to fit your mold. You don't need to become someone,

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: which is why I can say I'm never going to be a Parvati.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But I love that she's able to hone in, know what her strengths are,

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and then use that to be able to kind of like manipulate the whole situation

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and be in control of it as well.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I will never be able to. I'm not a flirtatious person.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to do that.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But I know what strengths I do have to be able to do exactly the same.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So I really like that.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And then someone who didn't win, but I also really, really enjoy how they played.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go a bit more recent.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Carson.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I really liked the fact that he was very much under the radar until he wasn't.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a brilliant way to play is like, you know,

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: you need to be friendly. You need to be strategic.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You need to like know what your strengths are and the challenges

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and every single aspect of it.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But he was someone that people really trusted in,

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and no one really kind of like caught on that.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He was such a strong player until he did get caught, unfortunately, which again,

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: there's ways of downplaying your strengths.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And he didn't do that as well.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But you just need to be able to like stay in that nice minimal zone

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: of like being under the radar, but still being able to like insert your influence

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and kind of like going back to what I was saying of like, you know,

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: keep in the back of your mind what tasks need to be done and do those.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But don't like don't need to like like put yourself into the spotlight too early.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think you did a really good job of that.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: What would you say is your biggest superpower

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and your biggest piece of kryptonite that you're bringing into the game?

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Is the superpower speaking to what you were just mentioning this,

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: this idea to prioritize?

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I am very good at it's basically an EM.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We call it triaging.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically prioritizing.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's keeping a laundry list in your head of every single thing

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that constantly needs to happen and in real time updating it,

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: because, you know, you never know when a sicker patient is going to walk

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: through the door and they get bumped to the top of the list.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You never know when something more pressing is going to come up

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of strategy or something that's detriment to your strategy.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And you need to push that to the top of the list

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: so you can't get stuck on one game plan.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't get stuck on one thing, one task.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think even in Survivor, you can't just be like,

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, I'm focused on getting this person out.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't do that.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you have to constantly be shuffling it

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: because things are constantly changing.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think that's going to be a huge strength of mine

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: because I think people get so set in their ways

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and like it's hard for them to not like just have like a kill list

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and like go for it versus like you need to be like keeping up

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: with like what's happening around you, absorbing new information.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Kryptonite, I am a very empathetic person.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it comes with the territory, I would imagine.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It does. It does.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, with that, I'm learning

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: since I'm still kind of gaining my footing as being a near dog,

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: but I've learned to compartmentalize very well.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think I still am very empathetic that like,

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I worry if someone's able to construe a story

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: or say something that like pulls my strings,

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it's really hard.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I know I need to separate things like game from like personal lives,

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do worry and am very aware that that might be my downfall.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not being able to separate those two aspects.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But again, I'm very aware of that and I know I need to do that.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do that on a daily basis where like I go from that stab wound

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to the stubbed toe and I'm able to keep my emotions intact.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's still something that, you know,

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: it comes with the field of, you know, a very strong empathetic compass,

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: moral compass.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's something I need to be wary of.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's move on from your field to the field of competitors around you

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: because like you said, you've been eagerly waiting for that toy,

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'm sure you've been looking down the aisles,

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: gaining some thoughts about all the people

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: you are going to be playing with over the next 26 days.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's start on the positive side.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Who are some people that you're getting good vibes from?

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You think we hit the beach day one.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Best case scenario, this is my ride or die.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anyone's names or their.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, it's fine.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You describe them to me.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll just see what we did before.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I know where they're sitting because I've been observing a lot of

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: where they're sitting everywhere.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So immediately the best vibes I've gotten so from have been,

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I think his name is K.O.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this white dude with a scruffy beard wears a hat.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Big fan of him.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's very observant.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He's been like the only one who in addition to me has like

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: observed the structure and like the building that we're in

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: has looked around and kind of just been like looking around.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And in addition is like always friendly smiles.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I noticed like he takes his plates up to the front.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Just a very kind human being.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like love the vibe.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: There's been certain people who like you can like smile at

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: or you see their like general demeanor and it's very like

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: kind and happy and like I gravitate towards those people.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's certain people who I haven't gotten those vibes.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Talk to me about that.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's do it.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so there's TC.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Short hair.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of short person.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Every single time I smile, they don't smile back.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And like I like sit directly across from them and like I just

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: nothing.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, come on, like literally like all we can do right now

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: is just like share a small little grin and like nothing back.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I also haven't gotten great vibes from.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: What's their name?

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: What's their initials?

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: A W.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: African-American curly hair girl again similar.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually was on the shuttle with them to the hotel and I could

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of assumed that they were also on the show because like

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: young person with like one to two big pieces of luggage not

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: really talking or interacting around.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, like, of course and they again didn't really

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: like smile or like give me any reciprocal feedback or like any

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like just any like emotions back.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So not really getting a good and then another person.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely do not know her name and this is the most vague

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: description.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So I apologize.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I know where she sits by like she I think CC or no like small

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: petite white woman.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like really small petite really nice.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But like she's so clumsy.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like like it's so messy so far like at the airport.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: She assumed one of like the contestants was like one of the

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: like crew people.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a girl.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: How did you not notice?

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we were all standing in a circle and like you saw each

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: other's face.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how did you think this person was like a crew person and

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: not one of us not observe you know, you need to be way more

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: observant than that girl like yeah.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So what would you say is your biggest takeaway from Survivor

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: 45 and 46 that you plan to bring into Survivor 47 incorporate

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: into your game?

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely think that the gameplay has just been so much more

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: elevated.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like we say this every year but like it gets more and

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: more like more and more strategic more and more cutthroat.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the reason for that is people are way more.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Just observant and understanding of the social nuances that come

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: with conversations.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I think before people probably took things for like like they

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they took them from verbatim versus now people are a lot more

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: skilled at understanding the small nuances that come with when

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: people say something in a certain way or just like having a larger

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think emotional intelligence and like being able to pick up on

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: those small cues.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I definitely I personally anticipate on carrying that forward

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: into this season and I will be as I've already said to you the

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: judgments I made on people just by saying that without any words

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: being said.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think a lot of people are going to be doing that because

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: like I think that's like we saw in season 46 like three consecutive

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: people went home with an idol and like those mistakes were made

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: because they weren't picking up on the small nuances that they

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: should have been and like all of that could be avoided if you pick

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: up on those nuances.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like the reason that's happening is because people are

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: just becoming way better at concealing and being able to kind of

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: strategize and keep that away from them.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And like I think that's just going to continue because that's the

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: exciting and brilliant part of the game.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: What would you say is your most controversial Survivor pin?

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Your hottest take about a player, a season, the show in general?

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Am I going to get to get in trouble for this?

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean by the very definition, but we're just between friends right

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: now. You can worry about that later.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying we need to go back to two tribes.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to bring back the auction every single year.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to get rid of the journeys like no more of this journey

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: BS. The journeys are they're old.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They're canceled.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We're done.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you if a boat shows up at your camp?

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you like I'm good.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm done.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going like if you see every single time no one believes

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: no matter how true you are, no one will believe you.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: There's still going to be that one person who's like, oh, like I

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: think they're lying even though like they said verbatim like

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: everything that happened.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There's it just out.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It just like there's and then it creates doubts like, oh, this

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: person might have this like and they could be beneficial but

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: it's often makes you an easy target to to like be blindsided

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: at any point.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So like I'm not going for it.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's when you risk the way the risks and benefits like the

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: risks are way higher than the benefits.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just think we get rid of them and I'm not I'm not volunteering

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: for that.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I just have one last question.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to ask if you could bring a celebrity or a fictional

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: character out for a loved ones visit, who are you picking and why?

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I need to think about this.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Take your time.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's a tough decision.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Fictional character or a celebrity.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so many people that I want to bring out.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many people I want me because I would also be meeting

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: them for the first time.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's true.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like I'm thinking of.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, okay.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm bringing my homegirl, Sari.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there we go.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I get to meet her.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: She can give me pointers.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just someone I feel like I can have a fun conversation

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: with. I love her vibes.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm bringing Sari.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that's lame that it's survivor related, but I really

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: really like her so much and like she'd be such a fun person to

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: bring out and just like gab with and like, oh, she's so real.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I love her.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And listen, she has been behind some of the most iconic loved ones

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: visits in Survivor history.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Now she gets to be on the other side.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And although like, of course, I would definitely bring like my

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: own loved ones first, but like if it has to be someone from like

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: a celebrity, oh my God, it has to be Sari.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And also fellow hospital worker as well, right?

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a lot to connect over?

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm so glad that we connected.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that again, you know, you have been lying in wait to

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: talk to somebody and I'm so glad that I got to be here for it.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: This was this was such a delightful conversation.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I just feel that that joviality and that spirit that you've been

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: talking about through this screen.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I can only imagine how it's going to translate to the island and

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I am I'm so excited to see what you're going to bring in that,

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, you'll be leaving a lot of people in your wake.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to see what's coming.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not gonna they're not until it's too late.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the goal.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Watch what catch my like mark my words.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark my words.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I plan on it.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you so much.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It was so great getting to meet you and talk with you.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Best of luck, you know, triaging through the next few days

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: in anticipation for what's to come, but I'm looking forward

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: to seeing what comes on the other side.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much again, man.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So good to meet you.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_05]: All right, Mike, there you have it.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Kashan Patel and looking forward to talking a little bit about him.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_05]: He's ready to go in.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I love his analogy about the chaos of the ER preparing him

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_05]: for the chaos of Survivor.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you could tell this was something that very much

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: got his foot in the door throughout the many times

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that he probably said that over the course of the casting process.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And it is a really interesting perspective because he does,

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: of course, talk about, you know, the humanistic aspects of it.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked him telling his story about, you know, coming

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: from a low income family and like getting to experience firsthand

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: how like how absolutely necessary the ER is to have people survive,

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: especially in this day and age when it comes to medical care.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's also a little bit of him that's like, yeah,

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: but I also love the kind of box of chocolates walk in every day

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and not know what to expect aspect.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was really interesting.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And then to hear him describe triaging and that being a skill

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_05]: that you have to do in the ER.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And I found that so relatable.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And as far as like, I don't know necessarily, like if like I feel

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: like that I would be if I had any sort of like medical skill,

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: like I think I would be very good at triaging because that's

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_05]: basically the way that every one of my days actually works is

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: like, all right, we got to like, all right, this is a broken bone

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: over here. Well, I got a gunshot over here.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I got to go deal with this.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, whatever the podcasting equivalent of whatever is on fire.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm dealing with as opposed to being able to work

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_05]: on something that is not an emergency.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, some podcasts are quite literally on fire.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, I am intrigued to see how that skill translates

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: from the ER to the N.E.W. E.R.A., if you will, just because I mean,

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: the way he describes it and this idea of prioritization, right?

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he is able to address needs in the moment versus more

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: long-term needs. Yeah.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And what I find interesting is that when we talk to players

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: in the new era, sometimes they say, especially with the shortened

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: time frame, that sometimes they don't necessarily think about

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: the long term about like, oh, this is what I want my final three

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: to be. I just have to concentrate in the moment.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So do you think that's a skill that is necessarily conducive

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: to something like the new era?

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's pretty interesting.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_05]: But I do think you have to do a little bit more of the medium

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_05]: term planning of figuring out like, OK, how I'm going,

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_05]: how I'm going to survive today.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But also like you have to be like looking ahead a little bit more.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd love to just talk the overall, though, about Sean's

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_05]: prospects, because I'm not left with feeling especially hopeful

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_05]: for Sean's prospects here in just mostly where he set up

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_05]: here in his tribe.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I like him very much personally.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_05]: He actually reminds me of my my doctor and I like him,

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, very much as a person.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_05]: But as far as positioning goes here, I'd love to talk a little

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_05]: bit about the people that he had good vibes with and not so

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_05]: great vibes with the person he had good vibes with is somebody

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: who's not on his tribe.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, Kyle.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But two of the people that he said he felt like he had bad

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_05]: vibes with are two of the women that are on his tribe and

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: potentially I'm not sure that the the clumsy white girl that

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: he talked about.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not Genevieve, right?

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: No, that is Caroline.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe he said it was like CC.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's it's CV.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I would imagine that's case.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise he'd be three for three.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, he does say that the people that he's he's picking

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_03]: up some either like not so good or maybe just like enigmatic

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: hard to read vibes are from TC who is obviously teeny and

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03]: AW.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is why this exercise is so interesting, Rob, because

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: if you remember yesterday when we were talking with Asia,

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: right?

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like there are people who probably yeah, there are

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: people who probably recognize me.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: There's this guy KP and he keeps looking at me.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I imagine that he recognizes me from somewhere.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And now we find out from KP side.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's more so that like he's staring at her being like,

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I know you're on Survivor acknowledge my presence.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And apparently according to him, she's not necessarily doing

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that. Yeah.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And so this is where this could be like a little bit of a

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_05]: wrinkle where if Asia feels like, okay, this person recognizes

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_05]: me from podcast and he did not seem to recognize her from

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: the podcast.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it like Asia?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Is he holding back?

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Is he like so this is where is he lying?

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Does he actually know me?

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Is this somebody to get rid of because he knows the knowledge

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: of my fandom?

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But that being said, I feel like that this is more of a problem

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: for Kishan than it ultimately is for the other people because

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_05]: there's more of them than there are of him.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like I wish I could know a little bit more about

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: his athleticism.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't come up in the interview.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: He does that.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So he does say that when his bio when asked, what is something

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: we would never know from looking at you?

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He says people see me as a nerdy Indian guy who's super

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_03]: wholesome, maybe a bit frail and unassuming and not to

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: necessarily glom onto any particular words, but like I look

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: at frail and look at frail Mary though, Mike.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, true.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Though I would also say, you know, we're going to talk about

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the two other guys on this tribe in our next two interviews

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: who are both pretty physically stacked by comparison.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So I would imagine it might be a case where like Kishan is

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of pigeonholed onto puzzles as well.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And who knows?

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I know everyone's putting in prep work for this unless you're

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Genevieve playing Baldur's Gate.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And so like maybe he still has that that athleticism to him,

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: even if he does look a bit skinnier compared to others.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I would imagine that there might be a chance that

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_03]: if they're if they are looking for like we're going to take

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: out liabilities in the challenges again, this is completely

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: broad brushing.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Kishan might be an absolute ace in some of this stuff.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you're looking from like a pure physical standpoint

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: in the moment, he might stand out from that perspective.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So think he seems like that maybe in a different tribe,

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_05]: he might be in a better position.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But that of the three people that we've talked about so far,

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a little worried about Kishan and where he is to start

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: this game.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Kishan, this might be an odd comparison, but really reminds

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_03]: me of Ty in the way that he talked about his own personality

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and the game in that he's a very nurturing individual.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, again, excellent bedside manner, able to handle

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of different situations and as a natural empathetic soul.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But that blade kind of cuts both ways as he talks about

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: multiple times, you know, treating stab wound victims in that

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: he had said his piece of kryptonite was that he was too empathetic

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and that he was worried that like he might personally associate

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: himself with these people too much that it might be difficult

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to cut them.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I think that's such an interesting aspect of Ty's

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: game is like he was this very nurturing persona, but almost

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: like Kishan's, you know, embracing of chaos in his day to day.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't necessarily stop them from committing a lot of,

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, huge moves in the moment.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think Kishan is necessarily someone that would say,

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: oh no, I'm not going to do this because I care too much about

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: them. More so Ty's problem, especially in Ko-Rong was like,

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, I have all these feelings.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just going to kind of sway wherever the wind flows

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in that moment.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_05]: You're saying that his Hippocratic oath is going to be a liability?

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it might happen.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He might summon the Hippocratic oath and they'll call him a hypocrite

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: for the stuff that he was doing in the game.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I would love again for Kishan to do well.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he was a really fun person to talk to, had a lot of fun soundbites.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved his take on like him just absolutely noping any journeys

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that come his way, that his hot take is like, get rid of that BS.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't necessarily need that anymore.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do wonder if to your point, you know, if this tribe does

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: go especially to tribal early, whether from, you know, a physicality

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: standpoint or even from just like a personality standpoint,

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: where some of those preseason conceptions may immediately come

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: into the picture.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He could be somebody that is seen on the outs of that tribe early on.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And we know in the new era, especially like any excuse

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: to get rid of somebody early on is a good one.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Mike, did he mention at all about if he's going to say

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_05]: what he does for a living?

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I imagine that he didn't tell me, but I would imagine

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that he is going to talk about it because I feel like, you know,

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: there still is the stigma and obviously very much emboldened

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: by season 45 around lawyers.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we don't have a lot of people lying about their medical.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I know that Voucher specifically that the type of surgeon

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I think Evie had spoken about that, like, OK, well, that is like

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_05]: that that is a very specific personality type.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know if that's going to increase his threat level

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_05]: to say that he is a doctor.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. But again, if he does, I think people are just going to look at that

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and say like, OK, you're Mr. Puzzle for the tribe now.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So get on there, solve it for us.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And that can do really well or not so well for him.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, we'll definitely talk about it towards the end.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But unfortunately, I would not be terribly surprised

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that if and when this tribe goes to tribal first,

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: unless there's any other stuff happening amongst these people

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: at the point that they do, he could be someone who is at least

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: on the chopping block.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, Mike, anything else you want to add about Kishan?

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I will say really, really loved the guy as well.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I think over under Rob, like three mentions of him

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: talking about triaging when he's mentioning juggling all these alliances.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if the word triage will come.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I would take the under on that.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I might take the over.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. They love their metaphors.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_03]: They love their connections.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that metaphor.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, this is so relatable.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_03]: What if it turns out that your doctor was Kishan the entire time?

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would be a little surprised because he has a different name.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, listen, could be the long con.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Could be. All right, Mike, we are going to think about

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_05]: this person and their empire many times, potentially,

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_05]: as we discuss Rome when we come back right after this.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Mike, let's talk about our second contestant here today.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, we went from the ER to talking about not a Clooney, but a Cooney.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Rome Cooney.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Rome, a American British historical drama that aired from 2005 to 2007,

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_03]: but also the name of one of our contestants, Jerome Rome Cooney.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Rome is 30 years old from Phoenix, Arizona,

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and he is an e-sports commentator, Rob,

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: one of the few broadcasters media voices on this season.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, and I don't know if that's part of the theme or what, but I'm loving it.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm happy about it.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He does come up with an interesting verb around his job,

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: which I didn't realize was a thing.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He talks about casting instead of broadcasting.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He shortens it to casting.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Should we use that as terms as a podcaster ourselves?

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's going to get very confusing because I think that we're

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_05]: stepping into Jesse Tannenbaum territory.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, if you ask people who voted in the Survivor 50 wish list,

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: they would have said we already stepped into those shoes.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to get like, hey, Adam Klein got off on the wrong foot doing casting.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm good. I'm good with staying as a podcasting.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Got a lot already in the P in RHAP.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that being said, Rome is somebody that is certainly used to bringing his voice,

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: considering that he is someone who has done a lot of commentary for.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever heard about Rocket League?

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Rob, is that something your sons play?

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Rome is someone who has been doing commentary for that,

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_03]: for various e-sports events around that particular game for the past,

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: like I want to say four years or so.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And he very, very recently fell in love with Survivor.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Rob, we're talking like Big Brother Izzy territory

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and becoming very recent to the game when it comes to what Survivor is.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But that, I would say, even further brightens his star

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: as to the passion that he brings to this.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll talk about this, obviously, on the other side.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But I would venture a guess that I think Rome is going to be

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: one of the bigger personalities of the season.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: All right. Let's hear from the man himself.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's hear from Rome and then we'll come back and talk about it.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. Well, let's start with something nice and easy.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you give me your name, age and your occupation?

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: My name is Jerome Cooney, but I go by Rome.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And what I do is I'm a professional e-sports host and commentator.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So pretty much what Jeff does for Survivor.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I do for video games.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So I travel across the world, across the country,

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and I get to commentate e-sports.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I get to host things.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I get to do the intros for players and all that stuff.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that's pretty much what I do.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: How tough is it going to be for you to not jump into that mode

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: during the challenges?

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be hard. It's so funny.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: They asked me this during casting.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: They were like, do you ever like practice casting the challenges and stuff?

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, all the time.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The second a challenge starts, I'll mute it.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't hear Jeff at all.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll commentate it over and I'll say, you know,

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: go through the challenge and all that stuff.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll rewind it and then I'll unmute it

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and hear how Jeff called it and, you know,

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: hear the similarities or what's different or what I can improve on.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Because, I mean, I mean, Jeff is the goat at this.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, being able to learn from him is always awesome.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, let's move from being a commentator

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: to now getting this commentary thrown at you

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_03]: as you become one of these competitors.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Talk to me about your history with Survivor

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and what led you to become a player of your own, in a manner of speaking.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. OK, so you would probably be surprised.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I probably started watching Survivor

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the most recent out of anyone on my season.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I started watching Survivor April of 2023.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So literally just a little over a year ago.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God!

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Hear me out, hear me out.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So I've never watched reality TV up until this point, right?

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like anything, Housewives, Survivor, anything.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never even like really heard about Survivor,

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but I needed a new show to watch, right?

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of downtime.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And so my fiance was like, hey, growing up,

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I used to watch a show called Survivor. You might like it.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, OK, I'll give it a try.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, we turned it on.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We went to season one and I was about five minutes in

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was like, OK, this is kind of boring.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I could do this.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, OK, let me.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, OK, jump to a future season, jump to a newer one.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, OK.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So I randomly just scrolled down and I just randomly clicked 30, right?

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Season 30 ended up being the Mike Holloway win, right?

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: With Joey the Amazing and all that stuff.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The final auction.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a pretty good season for a first season.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, man, this show is amazing.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so that was like, OK, I'm super invested.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to go back and see where it where it started.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm sitting here watching Borneo and I'm like, where are the idols?

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was so confused, but I got to see the progression.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to see the progression of the whole game.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually binged every single season from April to July.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So within a three week every single season, every single season,

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I binged it from April to July of last year.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The reason I was able to do that is because there's a lot of downtime

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: when I'm not hosting, you know, I might have one or two or three events a month.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And aside from that, what am I doing?

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So there was some seasons I watched in one day.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would wake up at 6 a.m., start watching Survivor,

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and then by midnight I'd be done with the season and I'd be like, awesome.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I've crammed a whole lot into my mind

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the last year about Survivor and things

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that a lot of people probably have over the last 20 years.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little spotty memory for them,

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm going to be able to remember it like the back of my hand.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. So then what made that translate to, OK, I love this game,

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but now I want to play it. What was that process like?

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Hook Island's Ozzy. That's all it took.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Watching Ozzy, dominating challenges,

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: me knowing that I'm a pretty athletic guy,

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm an under the radar athletic guy.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really look like I'm going to be jumping out the gym,

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but I got a 34 inch vertical, like I'm super athletic, right?

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So I love the challenges.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I love like every aspect of the challenges,

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but also the small thing that Ozzy didn't have

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: was the social game as good as Yule did.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the reason that he ended up losing.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, man, if he was just a tad bit more social,

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: this would have been one of the best wins ever.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely love the show, love Ozzy.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, man, like I got to apply, like I got to do this.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So the second after watching season 14 while I was binging it,

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that was when I sent in my application.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't watched any other season 15, 16, 17.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even watched Heroes vs Villains yet.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: None of the greatest seasons, all that things.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to apply. So I sent in my application in May.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like May 5th, May 6th, something like that.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and then I got the call back in October

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and I've been going through the process ever since.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's been incredible.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm glad we got you down from a coconut tree

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: to come talk about this, because I'm sure you were just like

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_03]: ransacking ready to do it like Ozzy.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03]: On that note, obviously you have to say

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: you've cramped a lot of Survivor.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It is an understatement.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But from the absolute binge you did through everything,

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: give me a winner and a non-winner who you identify with the most.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Would Ozzy easily slide into that non-winner for you

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: or are you picking someone else?

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be it would be probably be Ozzy for a non-winner.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for a non-winner, probably be Ozzy.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: For a winner, though, it's got to be Todd Herzog.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he had the best final tribal out of any season ever.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He went there with three, two other people that had

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: just as good of a chance of winning as him.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But he was able to cater to the jury,

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: tell people exactly what they wanted to hear.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: When he told John Robert, you were starting to think along my line.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to get you out.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That just stroked his ego to the moon.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And John Robert was like...

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he shut up him.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was perfect.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, man, this guy is a genius.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Like between like giving James the two idols,

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like he wasn't selfish during his gameplay at all.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Todd was an incredible winner,

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: so I definitely can can relate to him the most.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Non-winners, it's got to be Ozzy.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be Ozzy.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I also like Jesse.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't be mad at Jesse.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_01]: New era a little bit.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesse from 43.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I like Jesse as well.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So can't be mad at that.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: What's one life experience you feel has most prepared you for this?

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I know, again, the idea of this experience has been relatively new to you.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But do you look back on your life and think about something

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: that has prepared you the most physically or mentally

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: for what you're about to jump into?

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Physically, it's got to be fully tearing my Achilles.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, six years ago, I fully tore my Achilles.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was playing basketball as a pickup game.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It was 15 to 15.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd already scored like eight of our points.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm the point guard.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: My team's looking at me to put the last bucket in.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm over here doing this and I do a right to left crossover

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and boom, I just cross myself out of my own Achilles and it popped.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I love that you're commentating your own like traumatic injury

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: in a pickup basketball game.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's natural, man.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's natural.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just in me.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't help it, you know?

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so I tore my Achilles and it's pretty ironic

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: because Kobe Bryant is actually my favorite athlete of all time

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and he tore his Achilles.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I had already studied an Achilles tear and things like that

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and how to recover and now I got to go through it.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I relearned how to walk.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I tore it in September and I was back running, jumping at the basketball court

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: in January.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I got four months of recovery time from a full tear

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and the doctors even said that was unheard of

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but I kicked physical therapy's butt.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I made sure if they said do 30 sets, I did 60.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: If they said do 40, I was doing 80.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I was making sure that I was getting as healthy as quick as possible.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And the pain, that is the other thing is that the pain.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: People don't know.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: When the doctor told me, as a man, this is the most pain you can go through

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: in your life because we can't have kids.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So he was like, this is truly the most pain you can ever feel.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that you went through that and didn't even cry,

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a testament to you as a person.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And so now any pain that I'm going to be feeling out here, bro,

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to be worried about it.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's hunger pains, whether it's pain from a challenge,

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: an endurance challenge, and I'm like, oh, I'm about to give out.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I still got more in the tank.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: There's still going to be a little bit there

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: because I understand the limits that you can go to.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So on that note, if I were to ask you, what's your biggest superpower

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and what's your biggest piece of kryptonite that you're bringing into the game?

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that pain management your superpower or are you picking something else there?

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think my biggest superpower is going to be my social game.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I feel like I'm going to be super underrated.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't you know, even even during pregame,

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't come across as the smart guy.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone out here is reading books and doing Sudoku's and crossword puzzles.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, why are y'all doing this?

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, man, I'm doing that in my tent where no one can see me.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I don't want people to think that I'm the smart guy.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: All these people are reading books.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I got audio books that I can just listen to in my head.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sitting here listening to how to make friends and influence people.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And nobody else has any idea that I'm sitting here, you know,

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: just processing how to be even better socially and things like that.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I think my biggest my biggest superpower coming into this

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: is being an underrated, underrated strategist, honestly.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, what about the other side?

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: What's your your Achilles heel, for lack of a better term?

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Overconfidence.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I truly think I'm going to win this game and I don't see a way that I won't.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I have I got a few things up my sleeves, you know, up my sleeves.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like if you don't come into the game with a few things up your sleeves,

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like ready to go, a few moves that you can crack out to try to save yourself,

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: then you're you're already setting yourself up for failure.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So I've got a few things, a few moves that have never been done.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, some some pretty interesting things that I'm ready to ready to put into place.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Can we take a peek in the sleeves?

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything you want to tease to us?

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I haven't told anyone but my fiance and my sister.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the only two people I told.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And they both said one one said, wait, you're allowed to do that?

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, there's no rule against it.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, oh, that's actually genius then.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And you guess what my fiance said?

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: She said that might be one of the biggest moves in Survivor history if you can pull it off.

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So listen, all I'm saying is I've studied the game.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I've crammed it a ton.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And Jeff says he's always looking for people that know how to exploit the game.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you take these little details of the game and use it to their advantage.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly what I'm going to do.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's talk about maybe some of these people that you're going to pull this unprecedented move off on.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm sure you've been sitting with your thoughts for days.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you have plenty about your competition.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_03]: As you said, you've been watching them doing their Sudoku's and reading their books.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's look on the positive side first.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Is there anybody that you're picking up good vibes from that?

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like best case scenario.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I wind up on the beach with them day one.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a possible ride or die for me.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a few that are giving me, you know, the real nice smiles, you know,

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and the head nods when you see him because you can't do anything verbally.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So you just got to do that and keep it moving.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's been a lot of people that have been giving me that mainly because I'm typically always smiling anyway.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So, like, you know, it's pretty easy to smile back at someone already smiling.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So I do think it's pretty interesting.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if some of some of the girls might have been given away what tribe they're going to be on

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's a lot of toenails that are painted in red or blue.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm just saying that I'm noticing, you know, I'm noticing who might be on my tribe already.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you're able to give those extra smiles and things like that.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, interesting.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what about on the other side?

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Is there anyone that's giving you red flags or red toes, as it were?

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, there is this guy that reminds me of one of my friends growing up.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got he's got some some big curly hair.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I've smiled at him, I think, five, seven, eight times.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He has never, never smiled back, never given anything.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm like, all right, you can go, bro.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're not even trying to smile like you just see you later.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. Talk to me about idols, advantages, journeys, all big parts of the new era.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you plan on incorporating them into your game?

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I got some big plans.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that when it comes to idols, I'm going to be able to get the edge over people

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: because I feel like with us recently watching 46 up until the final seven,

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like because there's a lack of hunting for idols like postmerge and like during the during the merge

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and things like that, that people aren't really going to be looking for idols during the season as heavily

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: just because of what they saw recently, you know.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's going to open up the door for me to go out and look for him,

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: be able to sneak off and things like that.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I barely need to sleep.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I have no problem looking for an idol in pitch black.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I will have zero problem getting up on four hours of sleep.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a gamer, bro.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a longtime gamer.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm used to sleeping on four hours and going good to go the whole day.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm be up in the middle of the night.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: If there's even a crack of dawn, crack of sunlight, some cameraman is going to need to get on up and follow me around.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Because guess what?

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We hit in the jungle.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go find an idol.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, coconuts going to be your gamer fuel, I guess.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, exactly.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So on that note of, you know, learning from prior seasons, I do feel like seasons 45 and 46 have already kind of like accelerated the new era from what came before it.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_03]: What is your biggest takeaway from 45 and 46 that you plan to bring into 47?

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: My biggest takeaway is that people get too attached to people.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I feel like people get too attached to people and people get big move itis and people also brag.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why people are doing a move and then bragging about it.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That is like one of the most illogical things you could do, because that just tells everyone else left in the game.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you're a threat because of this reason.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: If you get the final tribal, they're going to say that.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Just keep it to yourself and save it for final tribal.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: There's literally no positive for bragging about your moves.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, the other thing is like I mean, Tim was a perfect example in 46.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He just refused to give up one of his one of his Seagulls.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there is 17 people that you have to beat.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just you know, it's not just you and your tribe that's going to make it to the end and it's going to be that's it.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, you have to be every single person.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to have the Sandra mentality.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone but me.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know any all a week ago.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to be mad about letting y'all go home and get some food.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm you know, I'm chilling.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_03]: What is your most controversial survivor opinion?

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think is your hottest take?

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know you were probably a bit disconnected from the fan base considering again how recent of a convert you are.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But do you already get a sense as to like a take that you find might be controversial to the fan base?

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I understand that, you know, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people are not fans of Russell Hance.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, granted, I didn't see the social aspect of it when I watched and binged it.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So I just got to see Russell without any outside thoughts or anything.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, OK, this guy's kind of mean to people behind the scenes.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, hey, his gameplay was absolutely incredible.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He ran both of the seasons he was on back to back.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, it was one of the most incredible gameplay I've ever seen.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But his social game was awful.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally the worst social game and the best gameplay in Survivor history combined in one person.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty incredible.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that Russell should have won his season.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he should have won Samoa.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that that's that's a controversial take.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also feel like you will, in my opinion, he's the winner that I least respect.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Not because of him as a person.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. I love him as a person.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a great guy. It's because of the Super Idol.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He found it immediately and then essentially didn't have to do anything all game except for play the social game.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So once he got to the final tribal, all he had to do was use the social game that he had to be able to, you know, figure things out.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And Ozzy just couldn't compete with that.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though Ozzy was winning all these challenges, it didn't matter because you all he had to do is focus on the social game because of the Super Idol.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's my that's my controversial hot take right there.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Last thing I want to ask if you could bring a celebrity or a fictional character out for a loved one's visit, who are you picking and why?

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man. OK, a celebrity.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: How are they allowed to bring anything with them?

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you listen, I guess this is going back to what your fiance said.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not not in the rules.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, then Guy Fieri and I'm going to have him make me some some nice burgers, you know, some fries, you know, he's going to chef up something.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to bring a chef out, you know, famous chef.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But character? I don't know, man.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be tough.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. There's so many there's so many characters out there.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I should have been ready for this because you asked the last season, too.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So I should have been ready for this one.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a man.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I need to laugh.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I want somebody that can be out there and make me laugh.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone I can vibe with, someone that I can chill with.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just going to be a good time.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I feel like if you're having Peter Griffith and Guy Fieri in the same room, it's not going to end well.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so, Mike.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think so. No, not at all.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, so now you're pulling off the impression.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I could do those sometimes, too.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, sometimes, you know, I got a cool Jeff one.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want to hear that one yet.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You invited that. I got it. I got to hear it now.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Let's get it on.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a little taste, a little taste for you.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I love it.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I love the taste, man.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That is worth playing for.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I love this.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You again, you all you didn't know him from a hole in the wall a year ago.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Now you're able to mimic his voice.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That's incredible.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate that, man.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And this has been such a great time.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that, again, this this was like a hell of a year for you,

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_03]: basically, to like find the show, fall in love and get onto it.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But like your sense of love for the game just goes to show that like that transcends,

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, I've never loved TV.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never liked the TV show more like it's straight up.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never, ever liked anything on TV more than Survivor.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And so the fact that, like you said, I found it a year ago.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got so much passion for this man.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all over Reddit.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always looking at things.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all on Twitter.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm following everybody.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm seeing what the vibes are and things.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening to every single podcast.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they said, what are your what are your hobbies you like to do?

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, playing video games while listening to all the podcasts I listen to,

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: whether it's you on fire.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Rob has a podcast, literally every single one from the ones that are getting tens

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_01]: of thousands of views to the ones that are getting literally 50 views.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching every single one to try and take in as much Survivor as possible

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: to get as adapted to this game as possible.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely love it.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I loved getting the chance to talk with you, man.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's safe to say by the end of this, we'll all be thinking about Rome

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like we were a bunch of years back.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But this was such a great time.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that you're probably sitting on pins and needles waiting for the big day

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_03]: to happen, but I wish you nothing but the best and not only the anticipation

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: leading up to the big day, but the big 26 days that are to follow.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm so looking forward to what you're bringing to the beach.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, listen, Rome wasn't built in a day, but it might be built in 26.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I got to say, man.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I got to say.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: What a hell of a sign off.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a professional right here.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Mike, there you have it.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Rome Cooney.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_03]: There we go.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I was waiting for you to come in with your Kendall Roy voice saying Rome.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I wasn't going to go there.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_05]: But I really do like Rome.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_05]: He's very easy and likable to root for.

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_05]: He reminds me just in the way that he talks very much of a friend of mine

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_05]: who's been on the podcast from time to time.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Ryan Popola, who is somebody who has a deep cut.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for old school fans.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's another broadcaster, works for the WWE network and just,

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think, very personable guy, Rome.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm very excited to see what he's going to be able to do.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what's so interesting about this guy is that I completely agree.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he has such great energy.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he talks about it during his time in Ponderosa as well.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Like he just has this smiley, ebullient energy about him.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, this passion is so palpable that even though he is so late to the show.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, we talked in early May of twenty twenty four.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Rob, he only had been watching Survivor for a year, but watched all

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_03]: 40 plus seasons in a three month period in twenty twenty three.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. So he's come into it and I get that that's his personality, though,

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_05]: that he is just like when he's into something, he's very into it.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And so, you know, I don't think that necessarily you need to have.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a certain amount of period if he's seen the show, he's seen the show.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the other thing.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know he's also putting forward the argument of like, well,

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: these deep pulls from season 14 are more top of mind to me than these other people.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that necessarily is is is something that hampers

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: or helps your game unless you're Hunter at that journey challenge

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: where you have to put the seasons over in which Rome had the right idea.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Because remember, Hunter, because he watched the seasons

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: out of order in his binging, wasn't sure how to put things in order.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Rome story was he watched like a minute of Borio said this is boring.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, his fiance said, oh, no, put on a random season instead.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He found worlds apart and that was his hook.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And so he said, I'm going to start from Borneo and move his way forward.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So he'll be better at that.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe Asia was the one that manifested putting the winners in order instead.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe Rome would do that.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, Rome is somebody who talks a big game.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And listen, we love that here.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that people can can be wrong in their predictions,

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: both from our side and from their side, the players.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But I love when people cast out, if you will, not not broadcasting

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: these these predictions about how they're going to do

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and what a delicious tease from Rome about these never before seen moves.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's going to blow up in the game.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't wait to see it.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I just I love Rome that he is like Mike.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Mike, how often do you think about it?

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_05]: That I mean, mostly just today.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll let you know tomorrow if I think about him again.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_05]: That being said, I do wonder, like, I think that if this goes sideways,

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_05]: the person that I'm sort of reminded of is another person

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_05]: that I really fell in love with in the preseason was J.D.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and Survivor 41.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like that I looked at J.D.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and I said, how could this go wrong?

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_05]: This guy, I love this guy.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Listen to him talk. He's great.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_05]: He's such a personality. He's going to be so fun.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_05]: He knows everything. Super smart.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it turned out like overconfidence

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_05]: potentially also was his weakness in the game.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And so if it does go poorly, like I wonder if it does look similar.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. So when it comes to Rome, I think on the positive side of things,

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_03]: again, I think he's incredibly personable.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_03]: He's incredibly charming.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He has this as he would figure a very underrated physicality as well

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that I think would make him an asset in challenges.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Seems incredibly level headed when it comes to approaching the game.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, Rob, that like he ends up becoming

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of the mouthpiece, if not the outright leader of this tribe,

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_03]: just because he kind of is so passionate about all this stuff.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I would put it in Emily flip and say, I might push back on that.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't see him as the leader of the tribe.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And to me, like I feel like that he is just maybe

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if people would follow that type of leadership style here in this tribe.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think that my best case scenario for him,

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_05]: we heard Asia talk yesterday about how Asia said

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking for a little brother.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And while they're close in age, that's only two years apart.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder could he potentially maybe with a more balanced player?

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Not to say that Rome is not a balanced player,

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_05]: but might be a little bit more of a louder, more out in front player.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Could he, could Asia sort of like, you know, round off some of those edges?

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And that could be a partnership that ends up working really well.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that. Yeah, it's almost akin to like Tony and Trish, right?

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Of like, here is a guy who has all of these big ideas of what he wants to do.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then here comes somebody to maybe bring him back down to Earth a little bit,

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_03]: regulate him a bit more, sometimes maybe bad,

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_03]: a little cleanup from the social perspective.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like Rome has a lot of great, exciting stuff.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think the two possible downsides that can come is one that self appointed

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and then one that's kind of appointed from the outside.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think for the first one, it's this idea that to your point,

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and he even admits it, there is this overconfidence

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and there is this desire to like hit the beach running to really play the game.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I love when people come in and try to call their shot J.D.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Money style with some of these things that they want to do.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes if you get a little too caught up in it,

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: in trying to play the game too much, then that can really stick out.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it might wear on some of the other tribe members.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It might wear down some trust.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The other side of things is that, again, I think Rome is one

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: of these perfect stereotypical candidates that ends up getting picked off

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: in the mid merge of like I could very easily see an option where, again,

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Rome is a very charming presence.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He was probably at that point in the game showing off his his skills

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and challenges as well.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I would imagine he is going to light up tribal council with the way

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: he's going to batter it back and forth.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But Jeff, I hope he does an impression to Jeff's face

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: because that was very, very fun to check out.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But if I'm his competition, I don't see how you don't look at this guy

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: at a certain point and be like, we cannot let him get to the end.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't think that there's any under the radar for Rome.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that he's a big talker, which we love.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_05]: We love to see. We love it.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_05]: We love to see it.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that also is the kind of thing that potentially gets you into trouble

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_05]: on the mat chat where, you know, we've seen like a Jelinski type,

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_05]: like really catch the attention from the other tribes of talking too much.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Jeff is going to love it at tribal council, going to bring out more of it.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think there's definitely going to be a lot of attention

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_05]: on Rome throughout the game.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's where I also think that like, OK, having a Rome shield

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_05]: also could end up being like a good place to be.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_05]: A phalanx, if you will, for some of the other players.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that Rome is going to be very fun to watch.

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's hard for me to envision Rome, you know, being able to run the table

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and win with that style of gameplay.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But we've seen other players who are big personalities like a Marianne

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_05]: or a jam ultimately win in the new era.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's see.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the thing is that you look at people like Jam Jam,

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_03]: even like Kenzie and Erica to a certain extent of these people

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_03]: did get called out at a certain point for being too much of a threat.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And luckily, because other threats were taken out instead of them,

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_03]: they were able to make their way to the end game where they end up winning.

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, maybe that'll be the case with Rome as well.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I nearly didn't make Rome my winner pick in reviewing these interviews

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: because, again, I do think there are a lot of pluses in his column.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But those pluses can obviously also be seen by everybody else.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And it really depends on the timbre of this cast, right,

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: on the tune that they are playing.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_03]: If they're going to keep big game hunting like we've seen, especially in 46,

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_03]: where it really was a matter of these big players angling to take each other out.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I would not be surprised if A, Rome himself does that.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And then B ends up becoming sort of like number one on the hit list there.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the approach he has from the new era perspective is also

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_03]: really interesting where he says one of his big takeaways

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: from the past two seasons is like you get too attached to people.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: He brings up, you know, Tim insisting that a Siga needs to stay

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: at Mergatory as an example of that.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, you know, I think that season 46,

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_03]: we almost saw the opposite of that by the end game, right,

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_03]: where everyone was turning on their number one ally.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And while we sort of talk about the follies of that,

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I do wonder if Rome had taken that lesson

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and might try to institute something like that to his folly.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm a little worried about when he talks about like making this

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_05]: biggest move that nobody has ever seen before.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But I feel like that in his favor,

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_05]: like I feel like that he's not necessarily like beholden to the past.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that like coming from e-sports, very fast moving,

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: like, you know, that thinks on his feet, thinks on his feet.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he's going to be overwhelmed and he doesn't have like a romanticism

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_05]: of like, oh, how survivors should have been in the past.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I think he has like a little bit more of a is more in line

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_05]: with where the game is going and is ready to play that game.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he will also not be the last person on this season

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: in these interviews who will mention Russell as well.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think, you know, Rome describing Russell

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_03]: as like the best strategy in the worst social game mixed into one player

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: is not only an interesting soundbite, but the fact that, you know,

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: one of his hot takes is that he felt like Russell should have won.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm always intrigued when those types of statements are made

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: to extrapolate from there, like, OK, does that mean that he wants to play

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of as ferociously as Russell did at certain points during his first two seasons?

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and also trying to mix some relationship management in there as well.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I definitely think that Rome is willing to play like in the same way that,

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, when you play a video game, you know, it's, you know, cutthroat.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You're out there to try and win.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know necessarily, though, if the jury is all there

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_05]: in terms of how they might reward a person who plays that way.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Rome uses the Senate, not a jury.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think, yeah, unfortunately, from a judicial perspective, he might be SOL there.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Rome also talked about his recovery from injury.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: He had a full tear of his Achilles and had a four month return to play.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's really unheard of.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: This is an injury that I've studied greatly, really, for almost the last 11 months.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_05]: How long it takes a person to recover from an Achilles tear.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_05]: They said it couldn't be done in four months,

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: although some say that it could be done and modern science is there.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I'm happy to hear that Rome is able to prove a four month return

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: is possible from an Achilles, a full Achilles tear.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the fun thing about this is that this podcast will release shortly

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: before the NFL season begins.

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So we really get to see in hindsight whether or not that assessment is true

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: or not this coming weekend.

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. OK, so very excited.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it should be a good time.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think no matter what, no matter how long we see Rome,

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: whether it's one episode or 13,

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he is going to make for fantastic television.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, this guy knows how to make great soundbites,

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: know how to showcase his personality.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That's very indicative in his interview.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And so even if we talk about maybe some some possible downsides

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: that might see him get targeted at some point, no matter how long it lasts,

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to see it.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And especially when hashtag Rome's big move comes out.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is what we want to see on Survivor,

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_05]: either incredible victory or spectacular flame out.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And Rome is going to bring it one way or another.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll see if he goes down in flames

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and who will be playing the violin alongside it.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Rob, we shall see.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Mike, there you go.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us about who we're going to talk about tomorrow.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so tomorrow we finish off Lava with our last two tribe members.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We are talking about Saul and Tini.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And at the end of it all, Rob,

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: we get a full view of this red tribe.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be able to, I think, sketch out maybe some initial dynamics

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: who might be in trouble early on and who we might peg to go far as

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: perhaps one of the most powerful duos, trios, alliances

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: to emerge from this into a merge situation.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: OK, all right.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Be sure to check that one out tomorrow.

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[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And Mike, what's coming up for you in terms of your press coverage for Parade?

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I am moving through another tribe,

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: which which all which will also be talking about soon in Agata.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I will have talked at this point, released my interviews with Andy,

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Anika, John Lovett and Rachel.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So be sure to check that out over at Parade.com.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: If you a little bit of you want a little bit of it, like an early scoop

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: on the next tribe that we are going to be talking about,

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: you can follow everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type.

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And what did you think of Kishan and Rome?

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_05]: We'd love to hear from you in the comments.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So leave your comments and of course, keep it classy, people.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, and so I mean, Rome did a fantastic sign up.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that like your Ron Burgundy sign off now?

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You trying to something out like no hate in the comments.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, we'd love to hear what you think about how everybody's going to do.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And please be sure to check out our next episode.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Take care of a good one. Bye.