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[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody and welcome to the RHAP B&B for the premiere of Survivor 47.
[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: My name is Mike Bloom and we have now officially two hours of Survivor 47 that have aired,
[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: a cast that is as open and noisy as a box tumbling down a mountainside,
[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and we are here to break it all down for you today.
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course I am not alone, I am joined by the glue girl of this podcast,
[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Liana Boris. Liana, how are you?
[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing well, thank you Mike.
[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Before we jump into everything from this episode,
[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to close something out from the preview that we did.
[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So we discussed your t-shirt of Jeff that we bought last season.
[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So we decided that I would be wearing my t-shirt every single week and I would wash it every
[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: single week and we'll see how it disintegrates over time.
[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So I just want for the record, here is it mint kandish, okay?
[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeff.
[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, beautiful.
[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I just want the before and after pictures.
[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I want to make sure we got that in before we get into everything.
[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready.
[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we need the how it started, how it's going me for your shirt and mine from last week.
[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, very excited to welcome this person in.
[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we did end up seeing the booth this week of a guy who was maybe one of the most
[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: famous people to play since Mike White.
[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So it only makes sense that we bring in somebody who played with the real McCoy himself.
[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It is the great Gabby Pascuzzi.
[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: My cats excited to join us.
[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, excited to be here.
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me.
[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabby, as a survivor player, like, what do you look forward to in the premiere the most?
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's always such like a can of worms, right?
[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's the excitement of like, being a player and getting to see the first three
[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: days play out.
[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then sometimes the reality of like, what the actual edited product looks out for, you
[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: know, we are coming upon what, like, six years since you ended up playing?
[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you still get like palpable emotions when you see a survivor from your happen?
[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't explain it.
[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like in all areas of my life, I don't think about survivor that often.
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But on survivor premiere night, like I get the same jitters that I to a much lesser extent,
[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but I, I get those jitters.
[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I really look forward to meeting the cast.
[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's so fun to welcome in like a group of new people into our wacky family.
[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, over the year, definitely when I was more recently on, I would reach out
[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: to people and be like, Hey, I don't do that as much anymore.
[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Because, well, I'm also, I'm trying to finish my PhD.
[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't have as much time to do all my survivor fan stuff that I used to.
[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, they still are like, I still am so happy to welcome them into the family,
[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: even if I'm not like reaching out to them individually.
[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just fun to see new people get to experience this once in a lifetime experience
[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: that I was lucky enough to do and just seeing like, the joy and you know, they're not beaten
[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: down yet.
[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all excited about what their game is going to be like.
[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all like still saying all their big ideas from casting where they're like, I'm
[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: going to win because da da da.
[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, Oh, I love seeing this bright eyed, bushy tailed start to survivor, like
[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: genuinely not even, not even making fun of them.
[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very positive and exciting time of the season.
[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're birthed by mud and then it all changes.
[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the mud is birthing you into survivor, but that's kind of what it is, right?
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You're welcoming 18 new members into the family, as you said.
[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So the birthing I do feel is oddly appropriate.
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah.
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff's like, so Jeff isn't Octo mom.
[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like Deca Octo dad.
[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know what 18 is, but then, I mean, he's got all the children before that,
[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: right?
[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's five generations and generations.
[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a busy man.
[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It's more than Nick Cannon.
[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's saying something, Jeff.
[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: When's that blood versus water season?
[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: When's all of Nick Cannon and his baby mamas and all the children competing against each
[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: other?
[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm waiting.
[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm waiting, Jeff.
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm waiting.
[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, talk about an interesting new group to welcome into the family, Liana, perhaps proper
[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: for the birthing mud.
[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: What a messy group of people.
[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we were wondering after 45 and 46 brought a hefty amount of suboptimal gameplay,
[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but really entertaining television.
[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the trend is continuing, and I am very happy to see it.
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I live.
[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought from the preseason this was just a group of social normal people, and I'm so
[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: happy that we got to see all the chaos unfold, and it felt like every tribe had the right
[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: amount of chaos.
[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like there was sort of the one, you know, quote unquote, calm or normal tribe.
[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone, and maybe that was due to the fact that you had the rushing nesting doll of idols
[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: that you had to go through, or my favorite, again, my Roman empire now for this episode
[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: is Rome butt up in the well.
[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: There were all of these wonderful moments, Gabe with the box crashing down.
[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously everything that happened on Gatta.
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Gatta?
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Gotta?
[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Gotta.
[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Gotta.
[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Gotta be cool.
[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Gattaca.
[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Gattaca.
[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Gattaca.
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It just, it was not how I expected the premiere to go, and I'm so happy that I was wrong.
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gabby, what about you?
[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: What were your thoughts about 47 in terms of expectations versus reality?
[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost in comparison to Liana shirt versus my shirt from last week.
[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Shirt versus shirt.
[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they they're here to play.
[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They brought a lot of energy.
[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't quite sure what the mess level would be.
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I tweeted before the season.
[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of white collar type people on this season.
[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I was joking, but I was a little bit worried it would be very like,
[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: do do do like, oh yes, I'll circle back with you on that.
[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Per my last pre-mail.
[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk offline about this.
[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But honestly, they were a lot more messy and loose than I expected, which honestly,
[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe I should have expected.
[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I used to work in tech and those people are messy, too.
[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm really excited to see their personalities come out.
[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's I mean, I will say my one thing is like I do feel like it's the cast is always
[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: is within this certain age range, and I would love to see more of a variety.
[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think the people that were outside of the norm in age, like we have like Sue or Saul,
[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: like they stood out to me as interesting people.
[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So I really hope they stick around for a little bit.
[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's my only like, you know, I hope that it's not just a story, a bunch of like 20
[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: somethings.
[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm saying that as somebody who played when I was a 20 something.
[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, then best of all right.
[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Then like it's fine.
[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I want what I wasn't.
[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here's the thing.
[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, white collar, blue collar.
[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: When you go through mud, it all ends up being the same.
[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're all maybe that's another reason why the mud happens is like we are sort of washed
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: clean of the outside world and allowing to be our primal selves as survivor players.
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's really interesting is that I think if you look at preseason expectations,
[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like a lot necessarily surprised me.
[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we knew Gabe and Rome are going to overplay.
[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We knew that John Lovett would be looked at as maybe a little snaky and be very self deprecating.
[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And Andy had a lot of winner's equity coming in.
[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But he did tell me in his interview that his biggest piece of kryptonite is overthinking.
[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And, oh, golly, we got a hefty spoonful of that in the opening few days.
[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked it overall.
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'll certainly get into the decision, probably one of the most surprising vote outcomes
[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: we've seen in the new era.
[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my biggest piece of criticism is that you have two hours, you have one hour, 25
[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: minutes of airtime.
[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We got to see the entire cast to me like that's no excuse.
[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that they probably were a little surprised that to be where advantages were found in
[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: the first three days, but like as entertaining as Rome nearly falling down the well and Gabe
[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: having the least conspicuous or most conspicuous idol search ever was entertaining.
[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It detracted away from getting to know like nearly a quarter of the cast as a cost.
[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you what I know about Caroline.
[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: She likes Sue.
[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: What do I know about Genevieve?
[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: She likes Rome.
[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: What do I know about Sierra?
[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing.
[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And she went to the fire.
[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She started the fire.
[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The fire, right.
[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so I completely echo that especially Genevieve felt one confessional and then she
[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: vanished.
[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was, I was looking for her in the back.
[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, where is Genevieve?
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We are on Genevieve watch because I don't know where this woman is.
[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: She has disappeared from my television screen.
[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Tiana, where she, yeah, where her?
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, exactly.
[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And even, even sold to your point, Gabby, like he stands out.
[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the biggest thing we saw him do was show how big he was by pulling that boat.
[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But outside of that, yeah.
[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So an area of the man would have been agreed.
[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He big boy.
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he was kind of part of the Rome watch group, right?
[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like at least that group before he was sort of a part of that.
[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We got to hear him talk a little bit about that, but I totally agree.
[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And especially when you have so much time, I think that is maybe the reason why I'm a
[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_03]: little bit frustrated by that because you have two full hours.
[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Now that being said, I understand why they want to show all of the Gabe idol hunt or all
[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: of the Rome idol hunt.
[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And then obviously there's everything going on with Andy.
[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So, okay.
[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand that there were, there was just so much to show that perhaps there just wasn't
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: enough time to squeeze in some of the other players.
[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about the beware advantages this season?
[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like we're still kind of going with the scavenger hunt, especially knowing now
[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that they have 90 minutes, they can allow them to do a series of tasks, but these are
[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like more naturalistic.
[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Hey, go to the mountain side and pull down this fine.
[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, go break this piece of driftwood.
[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my favorite Gabby was the wash off the log to reveal the invisible ink.
[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Though.
[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, like you are hoping that there is no rainstorm in the first week of the
[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: game.
[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise it's going to be like what happened with Gabe or what he said it happened with
[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: like someone stumbled upon go over the well.
[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, wait, dig at the well.
[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell does this mean?
[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I really like this style of advantage finding it's giving escape room, which is something
[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that I love, like it's giving immersive gameplay.
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Very, very fun.
[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It did start to feel a little long with the boxes within boxes within boxes.
[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, I like laughed out loud by the time the third box was revealed.
[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, are you kidding me?
[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Only because like it does kind of mechanically take a long time to do and then to show in
[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the episode, which therefore eats into the stuff like Liana said, like maybe I don't
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: know one way to circumvent that would maybe be to not have a certain level of it available
[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: until after the challenge or something.
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like maybe you weren't motivated to do it right away until you were in danger.
[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm not totally sure.
[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have the solution, but it is just notable that there was a lot of like box and
[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: key and lock and key hunting in the episode, including the journey.
[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was just like, yeah, that's true.
[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot.
[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even think about that because if every okay.
[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So if every idol box had been found and they had completed it to the fullest idol, that
[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: would have been nine total keys to find plus the four or four.
[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so it's four and three.
[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was several keys on the journey.
[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Plus nine.
[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That's 16 keys that could have been found.
[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Piano here, right?
[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's too many keys.
[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I thought it was funny.
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It also reminded me a little bit of a wig reveal situation.
[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Just keep taking off the wigs.
[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you got the little pussy cat wig underneath.
[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Who did that?
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like someone did the wig reveal under the maybe it was Monet exchange to like the
[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: wig reveal on top of the wig reveal on top of the wig reveal.
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So it was giving that that was very entertaining.
[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, just so, so, so much time.
[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The other thing too, to bring up the hero's journey, how did what did we think about that
[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: in terms of pivoting away from savvy sweat?
[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what I would say is it's tough because there was a moment right at the beginning
[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: when Asia and TK hop off the boat.
[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's in my head because TK had really flagged Asia to me in the preseason as like,
[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, we're locked in.
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to work with her.
[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: She introduces herself and says, oh, TK.
[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the relationship has to immediately turn adversarial when it's like, okay, now
[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: hunt for these keys.
[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That I do feel like there was a little bit of opportunity lost there.
[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it was entertaining, especially when Asia true to her basketball player nature does try
[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: to box out TK and like really try to get in there.
[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And that would have been amazing if she just swipes the key out from under him.
[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think in retrospect, especially knowing to your point that this basically was that
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: bridge in Paris that had a bunch of locks and keys on it, like in an episode of survivor,
[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I maybe could have done with a trim down a little bit, but in the moment,
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it was at least an interesting back and forth.
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think it was my favorite.
[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's good that they tried something besides sweat and savvy.
[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: What I feel like this task lost was that sweat and savvy has this component where either
[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: a couple team members are working on something together, so they have an opportunity to bond
[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: or be left behind.
[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a choice element to it.
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, what do you think your strengths are?
[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Or on other seasons when we've had games like the season where they had to pick a card and
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: then lie like the one that Jelensky did, there's a social element to it.
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just felt like this didn't have the choices that we like to see players have to make,
[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: which is a bit safer than I thought the survivor wanted to play.
[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought Jeff really liked putting them in those predicaments.
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was kind of surprised, relieved for Asia that her tribe believed her when she got back
[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that there wasn't some other game going on.
[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it certainly helps when you have Tini being like, now come on,
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I only know Asia having met her five minutes ago, but I think we should inherently trust
[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: every single word she says.
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Love that.
[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Love Tini and Asia as what is warming.
[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I feel like it lost a little bit of, like you said, it turned adversarial immediately,
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: so it doesn't even give them a chance to kind of do any kind of strategizing or social maneuvering
[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: with each other, make some kind of choice or be invested in each other.
[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, but the task itself was pretty cool.
[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked the idea of the actual, the hunt.
[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I was surprised that there wasn't a social cost or something or choice associated
[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: with it.
[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I was expecting, Gabby.
[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that they were going to have to get there and then make some decision.
[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's we split the supplies or, you know, we do the versus.
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, do like a friend or foe thing, right?
[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Of like, you can choose to share the supplies or if one of you chooses to steal it,
[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: then you get all of it.
[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, exactly.
[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So some other element apart from just, yeah, go find keys in the woods, right?
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that is sort of boring because at least the benefit of the idle hunts where
[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: you're trying to find the keys is, oh, is the rest of the tribe going to find you?
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, are they going to be able to suss out what you're doing?
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to be socially ostracized?
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and both counts this episode.
[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and yes.
[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But with this, it was obviously, yeah, you just get to go search and then get lost in
[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: the woods for a bit, right?
[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And that just seems to be the like that was it.
[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that made it, I think, a bit boring.
[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to add some element to it or maybe again, there was no choice to take an advantage
[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: for yourself.
[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So for example, you have four keys that you need to find in the woods.
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Three help you get the supplies.
[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the fourth one is an idle or an extra.
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So something that goes back to Gabby's idea of choice where you can incentivize someone.
[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, could you do something?
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Where you like risk your vote and within a certain amount of time you have to find a
[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: key and it's like, okay, if you find one key, you get the machete, you unlock two
[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: keys, you get the pot, unlock three, you get the flint.
[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you really want to go for gusto, then this gets you like the clue to the first idle
[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: or something like that.
[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The first key to unlock the box, but then you need several more keys to unlock the actual
[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: idle.
[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But just, yeah, just something else, something else.
[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind that it being a hero's journey and being one person, but I want to see them
[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: put in some predicament that requires a choice, right?
[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the fun part.
[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Seeing players make choices.
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[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my favorite part of the box within the box was like a little glory holes.
[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They had set up of like, all right, it's like, I'm going to risk it.
[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me put this thing in there.
[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, actually.
[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Glory hole aside.
[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Can we talk about the actual mechanics of it?
[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So you put the idle in the glory hole back in the box.
[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's just the same one.
[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just goes down and down.
[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's upgrading as it goes deeper.
[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not as all good glory holes do you upgrade as you go deeper?
[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's bigger, stronger.
[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I also will say, listen, Gabe was all over the place quite literally in this
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: episode, a little bit of justice for Gabe because TK comes upon him on the mountain and it's like,
[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: no, I can't believe that he would claim that he just found this without a key.
[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this was a blue ring sticking up on a vine 10 feet in the air.
[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Looks pretty out of nowhere to me.
[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if I was wandering around and look, maybe that area is not necessarily where you're
[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: exploring to forage for anything for natural roughage, but like it's sticking out like
[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: a sore thumb.
[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be an attraction to me, certainly whether or not I found a beware advantage or
[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: not.
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Gabe could have played it off a little bit more like, dude, I just saw this up here.
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's find out.
[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's yeah.
[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.
[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He just didn't sell it.
[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's why there was the distrust, right?
[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the lie itself is inherently believable, but it's the way that you have to just be
[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: so excited or so, you know, right.
[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like over the top.
[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't razzing.
[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He was just like, yeah, I don't know.
[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He like found this key.
[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think, man?
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: What do we do?
[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna be like, oh my God, we just have this key.
[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you're so super excited or something, you know, is it sell it a bit more.
[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also love TK's reaction, which is just what the fuck is that?
[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, like no mystification at it whatsoever.
[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that was Gabe trying to meet him at that energy level of like, yeah, what is
[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that instead of being like, oh my God, dude, if he take the TK came in with that energy,
[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe Gabe would match it.
[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, TK was like, well, what is that?
[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it.
[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Why this has been a wacky day for me.
[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe he was just like, I've had enough keys.
[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I found enough keys.
[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm good on keys.
[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Leave the keys where they be.
[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't need them.
[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we need to get into the crux of this episode.
[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: All things Andy.
[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabby, I need to get your opinions on just the enigma lovingly that this man has become
[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: over two hours of Survivor 47 so far.
[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Andy, I see so much of myself in him in both positives and maybe some of them.
[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say negatives, but.
[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Constructive criticisms.
[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, areas of potential improvement.
[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do a SWAT analysis on Andy.
[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: True white collar fashion.
[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what that is, Mike.
[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats.
[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You fit in perfectly on the Bata tribe or Gata.
[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I don't know what any of them are.
[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so Andy.
[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: First, let me say let me say Andy and I.
[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not close friends.
[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I've crossed paths with him in Buffalo, New York.
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He's from Buffalo.
[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's where I'm doing my PhD.
[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We've crossed paths.
[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: We are bisexual.
[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like.
[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, no, we are bisexual.
[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We are biracial Filipinos and we are by ourselves in our mind freaking out a little bit,
[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: thinking too hard about what other people think of us.
[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What a sweetheart who had a really rough start.
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody wants to start their Survivor journey that way.
[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what we hear from him in the initial moments is he is at a place in life where maybe
[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: he's proud of himself for my whole life.
[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like I haven't really fit in and I actually found my way by fitting in by just being myself.
[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you start to get the paranoia of Survivor and you start feeling like that
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: older version of yourself, which he says on the show.
[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well, I thought I was going to be this new awesome version of myself.
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But of course, and he seems to be aware of this.
[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Being any version of yourself is not any kind of like end goal and state that you stay in
[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: statically like you still carry all the baggage and the insecurities from your past, even if you
[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: have grown stronger from that.
[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really easy to trigger those things in this really unusual, unnatural situation.
[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we see kind of this spiral happen.
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And I've been there.
[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You can take the smallest thing, like somebody not cheering when you crack open a coconut
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and you spiral and you attribute all these things to it.
[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That is not really what it means.
[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a spiral, but his spirals happening on national television.
[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I think it's pretty surprising because from the outside, he actually he's a
[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: very good looking big kind of buff looking guy.
[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He seems confident.
[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it was it's surprising to see someone even that like a physical guy that should be
[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty safe in those early days of Survivor can suddenly feel insecure because he's trying to
[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: track people's perception of him through their cheers about coconuts or through other little
[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: social cues.
[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And as someone that's studying social psychology, I can tell you that people are very attuned to
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like negative anything that could be misconstrued as negative and especially people who are
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe more insecure are often interpret even neutral cues as negative because they see it
[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: as this kind of like confirming all their worst beliefs about themselves.
[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I definitely saw that happening with Andy.
[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard to watch because you're like, you haven't done anything wrong.
[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, don't worry.
[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a spiral.
[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's also when one small thing happens that sets you off on this path.
[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a box down a hill.
[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Making a lot of noise.
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeff loves him.
[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So like, at least, you know, we can rest easy with that.
[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That was like, we went from like spicy Jeff to just like uncaring dad.
[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff, like Jack Donaghy with the there there with the broom to Liz Limon of like,
[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: all right, are you okay?
[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I said something.
[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's fine.
[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there was a whole that whole interaction was very bizarre from both sides.
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, to put myself in Andy's shoes as well, I can imagine if you've been a fan of the show
[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: for so long, you've been trying to get on the show for so long, the immense pressure that you must be
[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: under as well.
[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that speak of the tumbling down, right?
[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: You have this strong force really just pushing and not sleeping also can contribute to this.
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that there's just so many different factors that can really contribute to the spiral.
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, from a mental health perspective, especially isolation even magnifies all those
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: qualities that Gabby was speaking about further.
[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And certainly it seems from the Rachel of it all that Andy was feeling increasingly isolated
[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that the reason why he woke her up in the first place was because he was feeling isolated.
[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was only magnified when she gave an understandably adverse reaction to being like,
[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: all right, I'll work with you.
[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Just don't wake me up at 3am and pull me aside.
[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he proceeds to do exactly that.
[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So again, I absolutely understand, especially from like an internal monologue perspective,
[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: how you can make a mountain out of a molehill,
[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: how you can turn every little thing into something that can be weaponized against you.
[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: All that being said, what it resulted in was pretty damn incredible.
[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like could not stop watching.
[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to get eyedroppers of water just because I wasn't blinking at all of this
[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: unraveling in front of me.
[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: This was wild.
[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Tiana was indicating her edit or if she was like trying to suggest something
[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: to Andy by being like, stop it, stop it, stop talking.
[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I just have never seen something like this before outside of like a brand enhanced
[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: situation where Andy is just like, oh, time to do my final words.
[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's everything that's going on with my game in front of 17 other people.
[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that was the thing for me was that, okay, you have all the camp life stuff.
[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously he's struggling, you know, hopefully he'll be able to get his feedback underneath
[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: him, but it's really the challenge where everything seems to just slip away from the
[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: moment that, you know, he's got, you know, maybe he's feeling lightheaded or cramping,
[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever the situation.
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So like some medical thing, and then he starts talking and then he gets back up.
[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the whole thing with John, that was the moment for me where I was just like,
[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my God, he did not just say that.
[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: My best friend is John and I'm ready to throw him under the bus.
[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what?
[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I was amazing television.
[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely amazing.
[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't believe he was, it was, they were inside thoughts that came out of his mouth
[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: with the, I think he was still melting down and not realizing it.
[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like obviously, you know, he kind of started.
[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, I was overheating and it's like, oh yeah, totally get it.
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, pause or, you know, really actually it was Jeff egging him on.
[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you seem emotional.
[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh no, don't take advantage.
[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Irinoia is a drug and Jeff's dealing it out.
[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's candy.
[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: First taste is free.
[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It was, it, it, it, it was hard to watch because it was his, his thoughts made sense.
[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: For inside his head or even in front of his tribe maybe, but what was, what really made
[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: it difficult or, or like bite your nails was it was in front of the other tribes too, that,
[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that was hard to see.
[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I also want to say as, as someone that's been a player, those first few days
[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: in front of the cameras and all of that, I don't think you're used to it yet.
[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes like if Jeff prompts you to say something, you feel like you have to respond
[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: or like, you feel like you just feel like you're on the show and maybe they're not as
[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like media trained yet where like later in the season, you know, they know how to kind
[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: of give those snappy confessionals.
[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They know what to say, how to say it in a cool way.
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, he's new to being on TV as well.
[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's hundreds of cameras in front of you.
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, maybe in that moment, your brain doesn't register.
[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't actually have to tell the whole story right now.
[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause you've been in casting for months and they're like, tell us more, tell us more.
[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, you don't have to speak right then.
[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But so I'll, you know, I could see maybe that being part of it.
[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's very valid.
[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I just realized like, while this felt fairly unprecedented, it really shouldn't have because
[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: let's look at the box office hit of the summer.
[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Was Andy not just undergoing the plot of Inside Out 2 where he's entering this brand new scenario,
[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: all these new people and his emotions are like trying to be fairly regulated.
[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He's been able to get everything down.
[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he said the old version of him was much like Riley in that first movie where
[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: happiness and sadness learned they had to work in tandem, but everything seems copacetic.
[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But then when he's thrown into this new situation, there's a new set of emotions that come in
[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's envy in the form of, oh my God, John got cheers when he cut open the coconut.
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: There's embarrassment in the form of, oh my God, I collapsed and had this big public display.
[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But most importantly, there is anxiety who takes the entire console for that three minute period
[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and just leads to verbal diarrhea.
[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes so much sense.
[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Pixar predicted it, Liana.
[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. We should have known that this was coming.
[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, Survivor 47 is the sequel to Inside Out 2.
[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Inside Out 3.
[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Mike is plugging Inside Out 2, a movie that's already out of theaters,
[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: much like Tari was plugging this like a robot.
[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Wild robot, yeah.
[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: A wild robot movie during the commercial.
[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But Inside Out 2 is not coming out anymore.
[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Much like Survivor, we let anxiety take over sometimes.
[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You could see anxiety take the console here on Inside Out 2, now on Disney+.
[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell that you're a dad now, Mike, because I haven't seen Inside Out 2.
[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We ended up going to see it, but then we cut out after the first half an hour because Asher
[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: felt, and I didn't realize that five-year-olds can feel this, he actually felt cringe
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: at the embarrassment character.
[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we had to cut out of the movie because he felt too much cringe.
[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, wait, wait.
[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's secondhand embarrassment?
[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so much to dig into.
[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So first of all, your five-year-old felt secondhand embarrassment, but you're his father.
[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Does he not feel secondhand embarrassment all the time?
[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I set you up there for the slam dunk, Leona.
[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't deny that.
[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's an alley-oop.
[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But the second, which is a genuine question, did you actually ever finish it or are you
[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: just going based on the first 30 minutes of the film?
[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Genuinely interested in it.
[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens.
[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming it was a happily ever after and the emotions all figure out how to work together
[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: in tandem.
[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And I imagine it'll be the same thing for Andy as well.
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: He got a second life here, right?
[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And I can't take credit for this.
[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw it on Reddit.
[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But someone said something along the lines of, Andy was talking about how, oh, I only
[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: had four friends in high school.
[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_03]: John was like, oh, well, wouldn't that be nice?
[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And four friends kept him safe.
[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's definitely this coming full circle moment with Andy.
[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm-
[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he can't be in a tribe that's larger than five people is what you're saying.
[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a majority of four.
[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So as long as four isn't the majority, then I think he'll be okay.
[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Five, I guess, including himself.
[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But look, who knows?
[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: This could be a new lease on life.
[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen people compare him to the Emily path, the Bhanu path, right?
[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Where do you go from here after this very chaotic and intense first three days?
[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gabby, how surprised were you by the John boot?
[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And do you feel from our outsider perspective it was the right decision?
[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I think I'm on an island here because I was not surprised.
[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think, okay, I'm sorry.
[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm going to be barred from a pod save America forever, which I was totally
[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: lined up to be a friend of the pod on.
[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I actually don't think John capitalized on the situation as well as he could have.
[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think he had the potential to be a good player.
[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I will say if I had been on his tribe, I think I'm a little older than some of the
[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: people on his tribe now.
[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I would have.
[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what vine is?
[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: To work with him?
[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Why were the Gen Z saying that?
[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Because actually it was our older people.
[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Vine was around for us.
[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So like, you guys actually don't know what vine is.
[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they were genuinely curious.
[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you know what vine is?
[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we don't.
[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, ancient one at 41.
[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I do know what vine is.
[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit terrifying as like a 31 year old now that like 26 year olds might one day
[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: be like, Gabby, have you ever heard of TikTok?
[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Why is it British?
[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why 26 year olds are.
[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's like that thing where if you see a word written and you think it's pronounced
[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: a different way until it's actually said.
[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Archipelago.
[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: All of this is to say, I, he would have, I think, been actually a good alliance member.
[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think if they, if the other tribe members were savvy, I think they should have continued
[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: to work with him.
[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So in that way, I could see it being surprising because I think he had potential in the game
[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: in the three days that we saw, I wasn't that surprised because obviously we didn't see
[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: everything John tried to do to try to save himself.
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But like in my head, if someone has that big of a blow up and kind of paints a target on
[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: themselves and you aren't able to capitalize on that, I don't know that you kind of, yeah,
[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that he capitalized on the situation as well as I thought he could have.
[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And that might be because he felt a lot of loyalty towards Andy, in which case I say
[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: shout out to you, John, like he seems like a lovely person.
[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, like I've met Andy and he's a lovely person.
[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And so thanks for saving my bi squared friend.
[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But that loyalty might've been what prevented him from maybe he should have thrown Andy
[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: under the bus, right?
[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Just as Andy said, he was willing to do to John.
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't that surprised or I don't really feel like John was robbed or anything like
[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that because I think without the Andy blow up, maybe John is the vote.
[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of content about he's not clicking with them.
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He's older.
[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He's whatever.
[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So then actually you're handed this opportunity on a silver platter with Andy having like
[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the blow up of a century and you still can't like switch the target off of you.
[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that John Lovett might have done a little better with more time to dig his feet
[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: in in the game, but I don't feel like he was robbed if see, because I don't, I feel like
[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: he failed to capitalize on that situation.
[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it also, I love the fact of pointing out like, okay, well, if the Andy meltdown
[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: hadn't have happened, what would have been the outcome, right?
[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it still a John boot regardless because he is failing to interact or, you know, with
[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the tribe and really just can't connect with them, which is so funny to me because I didn't
[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_03]: know John before this.
[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I was not familiar with podcast.
[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I get all my political content from Twitch streamers.
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So like, I was not up to date on this, but I really enjoyed him.
[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I was very fine and maybe it does go to this age difference as now, you know, getting,
[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: getting up there in age as a 30 millennials, right.
[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_03]: We're like the old people now and survivor, but it was just, I thought he was so fun.
[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I really, really enjoyed him.
[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So for me, I was like, okay, what's not working?
[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you not able to, you know, lock in with people?
[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe more vine references were needed.
[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but something just felt like it wasn't gelling.
[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He had the equivalent of six seconds of airtime basically to get across.
[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll communicate what John has expressed to me, which is that he does feel in a weird
[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_01]: way that the Andy blow up did lead to his boot because he felt that, and I definitely
[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_01]: see your point, Gabby, that like, that is a very easy thing to go after somebody else
[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of like, this guy is a loose cannon.
[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more reliable.
[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Keep me over him.
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And certainly that was being argued, but what John was arguing and maybe again, maybe the
[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: impetus is on him because he assumed too much was okay.
[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The minute Andy did that, he presented himself as not a threat because this is a guy that
[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: completely tanked, you know, a lot of equity in that moment with everyone else in the game.
[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So why would you want to get rid of that over someone who is more threatening in the
[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: form of me?
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Something else that he expressed, which is really interesting to me is he said that maybe
[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the edit embellished a bit of like the generational gap.
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He actually said that he was in tight with Annika and Rachel, which does beg the question
[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: to me as to like Annika and Rachel's decision, because the way he sort of surmised the dynamics
[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: was that it was Annika and Rachel as a pair, Sam and Sierra as a pair, and kind of like him
[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and Andy left by default.
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm Annika and Rachel, if I'm looking at a possible like two to one split at the
[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: next vote, I would much rather have John as my swing than Andy.
[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to go back to what you said about the being a threat because I feel like it's, I
[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: do feel like that's a bit of a misreading of a game where I don't think you should look
[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: at threats to win the game on day three.
[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you need to look at threats to your immediate game and able and ability to socially
[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: maneuver.
[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And so if I were John, I would have flipped the thinking, OK, maybe Andy kind of neutralize
[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: himself as a threat to win, which also I would say, I don't think you can say that on day
[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: three, but sure, let's go along with that for now.
[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I would flip that and say, so maybe he's not going to win.
[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That means, you know, now everyone's like he's so unreliable.
[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: How could you have him as a alliance partner, even if you don't believe that?
[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just feel like I don't really buy that Andy's blow up would have cemented John's
[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: getting sent home.
[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I know I wasn't there, but I don't know.
[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: To me, it seems kind of it seems like a typical vote almost like they kept strength over a
[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: smart, strategic player that I guess maybe I didn't know if he had gelled with them.
[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like we saw sort of like a strong but maybe strategically less reliable person
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: in Jelinski get sent home last season.
[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So that could have happened again here, and it didn't, which is fine.
[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm excited to see Andy continue.
[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I am disappointed to lose John Lovett, who I would have been a really great storyteller.
[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think more could have been done.
[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps I think how we thought he was going to play was fact-checked against how we would
[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: play.
[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's an extremely strategic, savvy and like a good observer.
[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't see those skills like utilized to the max.
[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe if they hadn't gone to the first tribal, he might have avoided that fate.
[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: A little bit more time maybe to try to like really cement something with Anika and Rachel
[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: so that it felt more like a three than a two to two.
[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_03]: The other argument about Andy not, you know, oh, he lost all his win equity right in the
[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_03]: first three days that they're always then they're always going to vote you out over
[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Andy, right?
[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So why on earth would you ever keep Andy around?
[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Because all right, well, he's already the goat that's going to get dragged to the final
[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: three, you know, whatever.
[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you can just use whatever arguments you need.
[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But based on at least the logic that we saw on the show, it did come down to just strength.
[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, at least that was what we heard, whether or not that was the full decision.
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what the show decided to portray it as.
[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what I also find interesting is that like the start of this season, maybe it's
[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: just because it aired right after the premiere, but I get a lot of Big Brother 26 vibes from
[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it.
[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean that in a very loving way.
[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been loving the chaos that Big Brother 26 providing, which is like, is there any
[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: elite gameplay?
[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: No, but everyone is like trying something.
[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also leading to like big personal dramatic moments as well.
[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of people were making this comparison that like Andy's match had meltdown was Angela's
[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy eyes rant.
[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And similarly, we could see much like Angela is through this week.
[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy somehow survived vote after vote because there's always going to be a bigger fish to
[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: take care of.
[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he will.
[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's the thing.
[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really hoping that Andy can recover from this or as Jordan Kalish sent me a screenshot
[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: from the Survivor Facebook page, Adam, a lot of people were calling him Adams.
[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw that on Twitter even.
[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, who is Adam?
[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Does Andy auto correct to Adam?
[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we have to talk to Tim Cook?
[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We now have to talk to Tim Cook.
[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Put in a bug report.
[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And we haven't even touched on like the dozens of players who had a bad start and bounce
[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: back really well.
[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Aubrey and Gabler.
[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabler wanted to be voted out in the very first episode.
[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, like he was like, no, vote me out.
[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Vote me out.
[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So to me, the writing on the wall for Andy, look, it's in washable paint, right?
[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think that there's a universe.
[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Throw some water on that log.
[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You're just, you know, hope for the rainstorm, I guess.
[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Go dig in the well.
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we'll see where things go from here.
[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a very exciting two hours.
[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But also I think that there was there were a lot of monumentous events that happened,
[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_03]: especially in terms of the hero's journey and the idol finds.
[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, Andy's situation.
[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm reserving the BB 26 comparisons for now.
[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I think let's see where things go over the next couple weeks.
[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, where we're going is to our typical BNB fair.
[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And let's keep talking.
[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: John, love it here.
[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into our preseason predictions on how we thought Mr.
[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Love it would do on Survivor.
[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Liana, did you love it?
[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: John love its chances on the season.
[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: How did you think he would do in the preseason?
[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so I did have John Love it going pre jury.
[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, I got you are also barred from love it or leave it, right?
[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabby and I are both not invited.
[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I did.
[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, I did have him going a bit further than first boot, which I think, yeah,
[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: there's only one direction really you could go.
[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But I said that John survived the first Gata Tribal Council due to his deadpan
[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: charisma.
[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And but the second time he was not so lucky, John formed a close bond with
[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Andy.
[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But the Nexus of Power, aka Sam and Anika, were nervous about John flipping
[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_03]: come the merge in only four episodes.
[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: John managed to get a staggering 40 confessionals.
[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, John was Jeff's favorite, who was clearly sad when John was voted out.
[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He honors him by calling him love it on the way out.
[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: My ally was Andy and his enemy was Sam and Anika.
[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at this, Liana.
[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm the money.
[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that you've earned a spot on that guest list now for being unless
[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_01]: you got spoilers from John Love it himself.
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you are already a friend of the podcast.
[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll never tell.
[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I never reveal your sources.
[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess I'll join myself on the blacklist with the two of you.
[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I also had John Love it going for sure.
[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a shame too, because they were about they were going to invite us
[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: on the three of us together.
[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's sad now that we've ruined our chances of going on the political
[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_01]: package deal.
[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: BBP.
[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they call us.
[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_03]: BNB and P.
[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: BNB and P.
[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So John Love it.
[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, despite him being open about being a podcaster, his tribe doesn't
[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: really care.
[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, drawn in immediately by his self deprecating jokes, we'll get a
[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: whole segment about how uncomfortable he is in the wild, culminating in a
[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: moment of triumph for everyone.
[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers as he does something simple like taking an aqua dump.
[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: True to his word, he'll hunt out his gaze and days early on joining up with
[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the God of women.
[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_01]: When they go to their first tribal council, he'll turn the tribe against
[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Anika, worried about her possibly having an advantage.
[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: When the swap hits, John gets put in the minority, assuming he's well spoken
[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and strategic based on his job.
[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He becomes the easy target of gerrymandering on his new tribe as he's now
[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_01]: placed in the Ponderosa district.
[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: His ally was Rachel.
[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: His enemy was Sam.
[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Then his reputation.
[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, OK.
[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: If only the electoral college existed for survivor votes.
[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a jury, not that.
[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy.
[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Gabby, the gavel, the gapful is in your hands.
[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You get to determine who was more on the money about how John Lovett would
[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: do in the preseason.
[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The gapful.
[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to give it to Liana.
[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's because Mike thought that the podcast and his reputation would
[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: matter a lot more than it did.
[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry.
[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry to to John and and Lovett or leave it and Pod Save America because
[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: there they don't they get their news from Tick-Tock.
[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't listen to their we're millennials.
[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't given.
[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't listen to Pod Save America, but I will say I did text a friend of mine
[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: when this when he was announced and I said, did you ever listen to Pod Save
[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: America? And she said, not anymore.
[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But I used to.
[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, that I feel like was the minimum that he needed and did not get.
[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, right?
[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: When he like canvases everyone being like, have you heard of Pod Save America?
[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, I think I've heard of it.
[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like when that's the maximum amount of engagement that the tribe has with your
[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast.
[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's good on the one hand because it's not like now people aren't saying
[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like, oh, he's so famous, we got to get him out.
[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But on the other hand, a little bit of a shot to the ego, even though it seems
[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like from what John was talking about with his own job, there were enough shots
[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: taken to that ego even before he stepped foot on the beach.
[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think he had a shot to the ego and I think I think he I think he
[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: thought he didn't want people to target him because of this reputation.
[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But then when nobody cared about that reputation, I think he was like, oh, no.
[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But how do I like prove myself now?
[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm getting more and more blacklisted.
[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what I have loved, though?
[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Register to vote, people shout out.
[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out.
[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Vote Save America.
[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Register to vote.
[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I live in a blue state, so my vote literally doesn't matter.
[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But to those of you in the swing states, go vote.
[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So shout out, John.
[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out to Obama.
[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out.
[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, John, I was in high school.
[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Jeff Kent did in his final words.
[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: These these people were I was in high school when Obama was in office.
[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like these people were in middle school when Obama was in office.
[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So they don't it's I'm so sorry, John, that you think they don't care.
[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, they don't care.
[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know, I don't know.
[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Belly roll.
[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care about Obama.
[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I given I don't think he probably didn't tell them that he wrote for Obama.
[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he?
[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it would have actually helped.
[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But my point is, John was on the wrong tribe.
[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel bad for him.
[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He was like he needed to.
[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish John and Sue could have been on the same tribe that I don't know.
[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: If you are political over the summer, I don't know.
[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I said I would like to watch.
[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see it.
[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a difference between like I'm just curious to see how this would go.
[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it would be better for John in that situation.
[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I also want to say I my friend made this joke.
[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't take credit for it.
[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But like Survivor's viewership leans contrary to like maybe what we see on Twitter sometimes
[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: with the viewer and the viewership like leans conservative.
[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_02]: As Leona knows from Casual Corner.
[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have like I at least occupy this like little space online of like
[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: people, people like on the left.
[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And my friend said, we got to bring in the Democrats.
[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We got to find a way to bring in the Democrats, the Dems, the Libs.
[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We got to bring them in.
[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And now they're not watching because John Lovett got out in the first episode.
[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I see all these tweets.
[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, I tuned in.
[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to watch.
[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We're losing the left people.
[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We're losing the blue wave.
[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The blue wave is not coming to Survivor.
[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it safe to say that gotta own the Libs by taking out John?
[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they did.
[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Just gonna make Survivor great again.
[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Huge Lib L.
[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I just I love the idea though that the Gabby's hopes of liberal-fying
[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: the audience of Survivor rest on John Lovett.
[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Of all people, someone you are not familiar with, but you're like,
[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: but if he stayed on the show, imagine what would happen.
[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's a contingent.
[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, there's a contingent of liberals who are with their 1.5 million listeners or whatever
[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: of his podcast that they are not changing their opinions on Survivor now.
[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a loss.
[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a huge...
[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Should the issue have been that they stunt cast not celebrities, but listeners specifically
[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_01]: of Pod Save America.
[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And much like Agentini filled the tribe around John with that.
[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they needed a 37-year-old woman who has an I'm with her sticker on her bumper sticker
[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and is the CEO of a women's empowerment company.
[00:54:09] What is empowerment?
[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: A company that sells women's empowerment.
[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Can you just buy that?
[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be great.
[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to buy stuff.
[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything has a price, Liana.
[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's who they needed.
[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: She would have loved John.
[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She would have loved John.
[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_03]: When John said...
[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote for Hillary Clinton.
[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: She'd be like, oh my God, chillary Clinton.
[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_03]: We love her.
[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Pokemon Go to the polls.
[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I'm chilling in Santa Rapids.
[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That's who we need.
[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You're picking up what I'm putting down.
[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So sorry, John.
[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But we got two things in Survivor.
[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got conservatives and we've got the far left.
[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We need the liberals.
[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've got tech people.
[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't know where they are.
[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of white-collar conservatives versus far left versus tech people.
[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a season.
[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, tech people are not...
[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They are not...
[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not listening to the politics podcast.
[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that's enough.
[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been so controversial, I feel.
[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't they put it on in the background?
[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: They're busy swatting, Mike.
[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Can we go over this?
[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: They're busy swatting.
[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Swatting takes a lot of brain power.
[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have time for that.
[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_02]: They're building an app.
[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're building apps, Mike.
[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to save the world through their apps, okay?
[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They're building women's empowerment apps.
[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know what?
[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I think we should make like a new version of a mindless game like Flappy Bird
[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's like unlock a box and within that box is another box.
[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, wait.
[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to lie though.
[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I would play that game and I hope that it's so minimal skill.
[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_03]: All you do is just click but you get to open boxes and it gives you that reward.
[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I feel that instant gratification pleasure of doing nothing essentially.
[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's Sisyphean.
[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The cycle continues anew because it's the gratification of I unlock something
[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but then you're immediately left with an obstacle, right?
[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Another box.
[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So I honestly...
[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_01]: If there's any app developers out there, hit me up.
[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Are there?
[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Are there any?
[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess they don't listen to podcasts.
[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all on Survivor.
[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: They're on Survivor right now.
[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: They can't make apps.
[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.
[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You need Anika, your project manager to get this done, Mike.
[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she'll be like, okay, I've watched a YouTube video about an app.
[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's how you make it.
[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I know how to do it.
[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You just hold your fingers up and then you count.
[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Rachel was real for that though because I just learned that recently
[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like, they should use this on Survivor.
[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And then spookily she mentioned it on Survivor.
[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: She's so right with the fingers.
[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That was cool.
[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You put it into the universe.
[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Sundial said, that's my drag.
[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to stick a stick in the sand.
[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Just hold your hand up.
[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Stare at the sun.
[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all you need to do.
[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Look directly at the sun.
[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You'll be fine.
[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So we are going to play the game for this week
[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and we are staying on the topic of Jon Lovett.
[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You've heard of Lovett.
[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We got to milk it.
[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got only two hours.
[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's all we got.
[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: You've heard of Lovett or leave it, but have you heard of Lovett or Lovetts?
[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's the game that we're playing today.
[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So I have to give credit to Pouya.
[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: He came up with the idea.
[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So shout out Pouya.
[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So essentially the way this game is going to work is I have pulled quotes
[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_03]: from either Jon Lovett, Survivor fame, or Jon Lovett.
[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Actor fame.
[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So, oh, that's a person.
[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, Gabby.
[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Today is the day that Gabby learns who Jon Lovett is.
[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: As we all do.
[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: There comes a time in every person's life where they inevitably acknowledge his existence.
[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this like the Jon Favreau thing?
[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that was confusing too.
[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very confusing.
[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Can we pull up a picture of Jon Lovett?
[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Gabby might recognize him once she sees a picture of him.
[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you probably know him from like Rat Race, from The Wedding Singer, SNL.
[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He's an actor.
[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I see him.
[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe a league of their own.
[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I know Jon Lovett.
[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: This is maybe a generational game as well, I'm learning.
[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Jon Lovett-
[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm only 31.
[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a baby.
[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There he is.
[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Is Jon Lovett the vine of comedic actors?
[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We shall see.
[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to read you a quote from-
[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that was said, I assume.
[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I found them online.
[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So look, we're just gonna chalk it up to the internet.
[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_03]: From either Jon Lovett or Jon Lovetts.
[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So podcaster, speechwriter, or actor, right?
[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are our two Johns that we're talking about.
[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So Mike, we're gonna go ahead.
[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna start with you.
[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Your first quote is,
[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I heard you call me immature earlier.
[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're just a big poop head.
[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Was that said by Jon Lovett or Jon Lovetts?
[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: This game is already worth the price of admission.
[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, I could imagine both of them being said.
[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Jon Lovett has worked in like some rather juvenile stuff.
[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, yeah, you got to make a paycheck in Hollywood.
[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But I could see Jon Lovett saying this in such a dry way.
[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go with Lovetts with a Z.
[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That is correct.
[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That was said by Jon Lovetts.
[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_01]: In something or just like as a person?
[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a good question.
[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You should ask brainyquote.com.
[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is exactly where I got most of these.
[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Make news, make news.
[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have time to listen to all those interviews.
[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I got such bad journalist integrity.
[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_03]: He was talking to Conan O'Brien interview, Gabby.
[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I know where it's from.
[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You're just a big poop head.
[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That's wow.
[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabby, you didn't know who he was until like,
[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I know who he is now that I see his face.
[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know the name until you see the face.
[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Gabby, we're going to go to you.
[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, your quote is,
[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also probably your smartest guest.
[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Lovett or Lovetts?
[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Lovett the podcaster.
[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we love the gumption,
[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_03]: but we don't like the answer because that is incorrect.
[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, no, that was also Jon Lovetts.
[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That was your question because yeah, he was on a talk show,
[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but sounds like he's on a podcast.
[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know.
[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought maybe that it would be so obvious
[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: that actually it was right, but I was wrong.
[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's go back to Mike Bloom.
[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Your quote is,
[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_03]: the problem with the economy
[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: isn't that people aren't paying their fair share of taxes.
[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, now I'm having a case of the Gabby.
[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm having a case of-
[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't call it that.
[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's contagious because now I'm thinking like,
[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: okay, that's not-
[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say the case of anything I'm associated with
[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: is contagious, Mike.
[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Slander.
[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I got a case of the Gabby's.
[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the thing.
[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Lovett is obviously the go-to answer
[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's talking about something as serious
[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and as societal as the economy.
[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But could it be Jon Lovetts saying that?
[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's to say he's not an expert on the economy?
[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I will go Occam's Razor here
[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and go with Lovett the podcaster.
[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It was Lovett the actor.
[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: This man needs a Nobel Peace Prize.
[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: This is an expert on everything.
[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be an expert to talk about things.
[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I've made that abundantly clear
[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: over the past 10 years.
[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You're the poster child of that, Mike.
[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabby, we're going back to you.
[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Your quote is,
[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I do see your point,
[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: but to me, I'm just a mouse
[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: compared to the president of the United States.
[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy.
[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God.
[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Jon Lovetts.
[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God.
[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, this is not my answer.
[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, the obvious answer.
[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Who would he be saying I see your point to?
[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a fellow podcaster or-
[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: A pencil.
[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: A fellow podcaster, Jon Favreau
[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: or fellow actor, Jon Favreau.
[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Could Jon Lovetts have said it to Jon Favreau,
[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the director on the set of Iron Man?
[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jon Favreau, the actor is Jon Favreau, the director, right?
[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They're the same person.
[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: On Iron Man, they were on Iron Man together.
[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is all starting to come together.
[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The pieces, they're all coming together.
[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to see what's going on here.
[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to answer Lovetts with a Z
[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: because I think Liana's trolling us.
[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabby, you saw right through me.
[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I am absolutely trolling you.
[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: That was Jon Lovetts with a Z.
[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Mike, we're going back to you.
[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Your quote is,
[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, half the time my butt is like,
[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: what is this?
[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Why am I not nestled?
[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so this is talking from the perspective of the butt.
[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Why am I not nestled?
[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so this is interesting because I did see,
[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and this is really interesting in retrospect,
[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Jon Lovett did a whole media blitz this summer
[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: with the anticipation that he'd be on Survivor
[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and he had this whole extended rant on At Midnight
[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: this past couple weeks about chairs
[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that are not ergonomically made for humans.
[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: That it's either the arms are too tall
[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: or I'm just squished up with my arms against my side.
[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So it feels like he doesn't want to be claustrophobic,
[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but it sounds like this person wants to be.
[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Jon Lovett's already had a butt quote.
[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say it's not two for two.
[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say Lovett the podcaster.
[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That is correct.
[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It is Lovett the podcaster.
[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations, Mike.
[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That gets you another point.
[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Our score at the moment, Mike two, Gabby one,
[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: but Gabby, it's your quote.
[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: If you build it, nerds will come.
[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a, that's a, get that on a t-shirt.
[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Mike's like, I had to live by that.
[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: That's my live, laugh, love.
[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's essentially the equivalent.
[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well then that's what's making me think it's the podcaster
[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's like, you know, they made this kind of this,
[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: this podcaster that this podcast that like politics nerds and stuff listen to.
[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But who knew that?
[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just want to go back to the nestled butt because Mike like did recent Mike,
[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: like knew about a specific chair related that like, okay.
[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that was very good.
[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be happy to lose to you.
[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That amount of research.
[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Blame the algo things fall in my FYP and I just pick them up and nestle them in like a
[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: nicely crafted, but inside some sort of apparatus.
[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say love it because I think he has built like a community where,
[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: where politics nerds and all sorts of people and things will go.
[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, to be fair, I can't prove that he's never said that.
[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You should have said that as the precursor to the entire game.
[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So true, but technically that was John Lovett's attributed to John Lovett, not love it.
[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That's all right, Gabby.
[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: You're still in this.
[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Although if Mike gets this one correct, I believe technically you are mathematically
[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: eliminated.
[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So let's go back to Mike for his last quote.
[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm motivated by a bottomless well of anger.
[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a joke, but I don't think I don't mean it.
[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: This is like a riddle.
[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a joke, but I don't think I mean it.
[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I don't mean it.
[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Double negative.
[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: No wonder they voted this guy out if it was love it.
[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's talking in double, triple negatives.
[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to deconstruct a sentence while I'm trying to play survivor for diagram stuff.
[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So what was the self-deprecating statement?
[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The first part of the sentence, I'm motivated by a bottomless well of anger.
[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a joke, but I don't think I don't mean it.
[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: See, this is interesting because I would not consider John Lovett, the podcaster, a very
[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: angry person.
[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like he would almost take the boiling water that is that rage off of the burner
[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and just like freeze it into pure self-deprecation.
[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think his feelings take that phase of matter is what I'm saying.
[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, it was crafted in a way that felt like it would come from a writer.
[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm trying to balance right now.
[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: John Lovett has played angry characters, but John Lovett would be the person to kind of
[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: construct that type of sentiment, especially the I don't think I don't mean it.
[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So I will go with the wordiness, much like my filibustering before this answer.
[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And I will say Lovett, the podcaster.
[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I lost your logic about halfway through, but that is correct.
[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you nailed it.
[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: John Lovett said that quote.
[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to there was a Reddit thread of quotes from Pods of America.
[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where that came from.
[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabby, your last quote, although you are eliminated, but this just for funsies, let's see if you
[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: can identify who said this quote.
[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Have we learned nothing from the food pyramid?
[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Get that bread out of there.
[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I again, the ones Mike has had, I feel like I, the last one I would have gotten.
[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to try to apply my own logic to this.
[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And this will get me barred from ever having John Lovett, a podcaster like me.
[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The last one about the it's a joke, but I didn't not mean it.
[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: John Lovett with a Z is a comedian.
[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Comedians don't say that's a joke.
[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Podcasters who are trying to be funny say that.
[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, 10 years.
[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I know all about it.
[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Same logic.
[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: The pyramid thing is pretty funny.
[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to guess it's John Lovett, the actual comedian.
[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And if it's not, then good job, John Lovett.
[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You made a funny joke without calling it a joke.
[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, as someone who also explains all her jokes, I very much identify with that logic,
[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: but shout out to John Lovett for making a funny joke without having to explain.
[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Win-win baby.
[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.
[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You see how I ingratiated myself where I'm like, it's not funny, but if you did this,
[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: it is funny.
[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So back on the pod, baby.
[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We also know John Lovett said in his bio that he likes to work out.
[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So it would make sense.
[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He feels like carbs are not an essential part of anyone's diet.
[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.
[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: A whole rant on the food pyramid actually seems quite funny.
[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's good.
[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Love that.
[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what else I loved?
[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it and love it to this game so much.
[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Good job, Liana.
[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations, Mike.
[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You are the winner of Love It or Love It.
[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly as expected.
[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the ticket to quote one of our subjects here.
[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: To close things out, as we do every week on the BNB, we will throw it to our guests to
[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: plug a charity or cause that is important to them to highlight for the listeners out there.
[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabby, it's all on you.
[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What would you like to highlight this week?
[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thanks for giving me the opportunity.
[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This I'm going to take this opportunity to highlight the Palestine Children's Relief Fund,
[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: which gives humanitarian aid to children in Gaza right now, which is children are don't
[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: have meals, aren't able to go to school and all of that.
[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So thanks for allowing me to plug that.
[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.
[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It was such a great time having you here, Gabby.
[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been a while since I think we've had you on for a BNB proper.
[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And what an episode to welcome you back for lots of stuff to get into.
[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been a very fun start to the season so far and certainly setting us up for
[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: lots of dramatics to come.
[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Any final thoughts you have about this episode and anything you want to plug for the listeners
[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: out there?
[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think it's going to be a fun season.
[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to expect.
[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I never do.
[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm excited to get to know the rest of the cast through these future episodes.
[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have anything to plug.
[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I am on Twitter.
[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I tweet this episode sometimes during or after at Gabby Pascuzzi.
[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's it.
[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was so fun.
[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I will plug something of yours, Gabby, though, something that I saw you post right before
[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the premiere.
[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, we are already one episode in, but it's advice that should be taken.
[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You say, I don't know what a SWOT analysis is, but I saw a little bit of a white collar
[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: on you, Miss Pascuzzi, because you posted a whole ass flow chart for Survivor players
[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: as to how they should approach looking at fan reception of themselves online.
[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I will plug that for everyone out there, Survivor players past, present, and future.
[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really great way to digest when you see a comment about yourself for good or for
[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: bad, how you should let that inform who you are as a person, which spoiler alert, you
[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: shouldn't.
[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So always a good reminder.
[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'll plug from Gabby's fantastic content.
[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Aww, thank you.
[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I did that while procrastinating on the actual work I need to do for my PhD.
[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So I made a flow chart online.
[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, honestly, that is my message to all the new players.
[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening to this or loved ones of the new players, just enjoy this time.
[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so fun and it's so special.
[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing can take away the experience from you.
[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And just like, I know that you're not going to listen to any advice that's like, don't
[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: look online if you can do that.
[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the better piece of advice.
[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you do, just like these people don't know you don't take it to heart, including
[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: me and us on this podcast.
[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we're just having fun commenting on like as if it's like a sport that we like.
[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So John Lovett, please don't hate me.
[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're funny.
[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And also to the rest of you, if we didn't mention you in this podcast, it doesn't mean
[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that we didn't enjoy you on our screen.
[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But having been in your shoes, like I understand how amplified everything feels during this
[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: time.
[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Liana, anything you'd like to plug in any words of wisdom?
[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: After all that, I'm just like, oh, that's so wise.
[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Gabby, love one another.
[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Love you.
[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I love each other.
[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The only thing I was going to mention that we didn't talk about on the pod was Asia saying
[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Gamer.
[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why to Rome, but that little Mr. Gamer, Mr. Gamer, which I would love for
[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Rome to be like, oh, that was my father.
[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's also like a 27% chance that Asia forgot his name.
[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like Mr. Gamer, that guy.
[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is funny because obviously as a commentator for games, that makes sense, but also kind
[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: of very negative connotations on Survivor, right?
[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's like, oh, you're gaming.
[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: You're playing too hard.
[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.
[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Loved it.
[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: My only plug is for the Masked Singer podcast, which is going to be coming back.
[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: We and I have a big announcement that we're going to make on the very first episode.
[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the little teaser for that.
[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely check that out.
[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so check out that announcement.
[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Masked Singer back Wednesday, right?
[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Going up against Survivor once again.
[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, as always.
[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You can check out everything I'm doing Survivor wise.
[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I got the chance to talk with Jon Lovett, which was so much fun.
[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned little tidbits earlier in this podcast.
[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He sheds a lot of light as to his own perspective behind everything that went down,
[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: his relationship with Andy, how he sought out the tribe dynamics and why he was booted.
[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So be sure to check that out.
[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also doing Big Brother Exit Press, the Challenge Exit Press, the Circle Exit Press,
[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and then over on the scripted side on RHAP.
[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It is positively hopping because I'm doing TV for Real with Sasha Joseph.
[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We had Hannah Rose on this week in honor of the Survivor premiere,
[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: where we just talked about a bunch of TV shows, which was a great time.
[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: For a brief period of time, she thought that Smash was Mash.
[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a great conversation.
[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Check that out over on We Know Scripted TV.
[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking Lost with Josh Wigler.
[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing seasonal recaps for first-time viewers,
[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm jumping on coverage of The Penguin,
[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: which aired its first episode on Max on Thursday.
[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You should be sure to check all that out.
[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Coming back, speaking of Josh Wigler,
[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: he'll be making— talk about long-overdue B&B appearances.
[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He'll be back for the first time in almost 10 seasons, I think?
[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: A long time.
[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: A long time.
[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: On the B&B next week.
[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So send us your games.
[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Send us your ideas.
[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: rhapbnb at gmail.com or hashtag RHAPBNB on social media.
[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens next week.
[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like the mess will continue,
[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and Leon and I will be here to recap it all.
[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Special thanks to everybody behind the scenes at RHAP
[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: for making sure this podcast is in your eyes and ears
[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: in a timely and fashionable manner,
[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and to Will from America for his fantastic theme song.
[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week with Josh Wigler covering episode 2 of Survivor 47.
[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Until next time, everybody, we'll check you out at your next stick.